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[01:06] <Dark3D> ping Upu
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[02:50] <Spoz> heya Darkside
[02:51] <Darkside> hey Spoz
[02:51] <Spoz> just at work at the moment so cant chat for long
[02:51] <Darkside> k
[02:51] <Spoz> thanks for replying to my email
[02:51] <Darkside> yeah, we have a distinct lack of footage with nothing in the frame
[02:51] <Spoz> sent it off to the producer and she'll see if it can work. I think she only needs a snippet to show that we did actually get a balloon into the upper atmosphere
[02:52] <Spoz> or rather that we can
[02:52] <Spoz> Im still kicking myself about that camera
[02:52] <Darkside> what happened with it?
[02:52] <Spoz> we tested it prior to flight and it was transmitting
[02:52] <Darkside> wait, you didn't have anything recording on the payload?
[02:53] <Spoz> well as far as I can tell, the guy who picked the payload up managed to squeeze it in just the right spot to turn off the gopro, which shouldnt have been possible with the way I cut the styrofoam
[02:53] <Spoz> but obviously something moved and it did
[02:53] <Darkside> oh
[02:53] <Spoz> so the gopro turned off during launch :(
[02:53] <Darkside> damn
[02:53] <Spoz> I know!
[02:53] <Spoz> and because one of our inverters broke, we were down to one laptop
[02:54] <Spoz> meaning we werent viewing the video live during the launch, which would have alerted us to the gopro situation
[02:54] <Spoz> just a series of unfortunate events, much like the whole project
[02:54] <Spoz> but Im pretty confident we could do another launch and nail it
[02:55] <Spoz> I'd be a lot less stressed and able to focus on getting everything right, and not horribly sleep deprived
[02:55] <Darkside> hehe
[02:59] <Spoz> we did get some cool footage of the launch and recovery from a quadcopter
[03:00] <Spoz> but the "money shot" was noticeably absent :/
[03:00] <Darkside> heh
[03:00] <Darkside> i tried that with an ar drone
[03:00] <Darkside> didn't work so well
[03:00] <Spoz> how come? too small?
[03:00] <Darkside> couldn't hold it steady enough
[03:00] <Darkside> and i managed to stop the recording while it was in the air
[03:00] <Spoz> ah yeah. the quad shakes around a bit
[03:01] <Darkside> the other issue is you can't pan the camera up and down
[03:01] <Spoz> mhm
[03:01] <Darkside> well, without moving the quad forwards or back
[03:01] <Darkside> so i had to rise up to the level of the balloon
[03:02] <Spoz> have you done much r/c stuff? I built a quad since launching the balloon
[03:03] <Spoz> I had the parts sitting under my bed, taunting me for 6 months
[03:03] <Spoz> was good to get some free time to do it
[03:03] <Darkside> nah, havent done much
[03:03] <Spoz> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSa1-CVCDD4
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[03:14] <Spoz> ok gotta get back to work. catch you later!
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[03:31] <eroomde> yo
[03:31] <eroomde> arko: still around?>
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[06:51] <The_LION> Props tho
[07:06] <arko> Yiss
[07:07] <arko> Sup eroomde
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[08:29] <fsphil> morning all
[08:31] <lz1dev> morning
[08:31] <UpuWork> morning
[08:32] <x-f> morning
[08:33] <Dark3D> Upu: thanks for the modules as well as the ava.lbr-it's saved me tons of time!
[08:34] <UpuWork> morning Dark3D
[08:34] <UpuWork> more than welcome
[08:34] <Dark3D> Morning, I'm still up from yesterday.
[08:34] <UpuWork> lol
[08:35] <Dark3D> I've started doing time math.. if I go to bed now, I'll get 3 hours of sleep. ha.
[08:35] <UpuWork> I'd take that over none
[08:35] <zyp> if you don't go to bed now, you don't even get 3 hours of sleep
[08:36] <Dark3D> true..
[08:37] <fsphil> 6 hours sleep isn't usually enough for me
[08:38] <Dark3D> I was trying to locate a blog post or something where you were talking about problems with a chip antenna, but I can't find it again. Something about ground pour?
[08:39] <Dark3D> 7 is about right. It all depends on how many interruptions there are during the night.
[08:40] <zyp> my android alarm clock is telling me how long until the alarm goes off when I set an alarm
[08:40] <nosebleedkt> yoz all
[08:40] <zyp> I don't like it when it says «Alarm in 4 hours and 37 minutes»
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[08:45] <fsphil> yea I've had that a few times
[08:45] <fsphil> howdy nosebleedkt
[08:45] Action: fsphil hands nosebleedkt a tissue
[08:45] Action: nosebleedkt uses google traslate to figure out what is a tissue
[08:46] <fsphil> standard issue for a bleeding nose :)
[08:46] Action: nosebleedkt hands back the tissue to fsphil.
[08:47] <nosebleedkt> no bleeding for many months !
[08:47] <fsphil> ah brilliant
[08:47] <zyp> so nowadays you're just kt?
[08:47] <fsphil> or, nosekt
[08:47] <nosebleedkt> lol
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[08:50] <costyn> :)
[08:50] <costyn> morning everybody
[08:50] <costyn> nosebleedkt: how did you get your nickname?
[08:51] <Dark3D> ok, I'm off for my 3:15 of sleep :)
[08:51] <costyn> was it really because of nosebleeds? :)
[08:51] <costyn> Dark3D: enjoy
[08:51] <fsphil> g'nite-ish Dark3D
[08:51] <nosebleedkt> costyn, yes!
[08:51] <costyn> nosebleedkt: that sucks, I hate those
[08:51] <nosebleedkt> its cool
[08:51] <nosebleedkt> like having period
[08:51] <nosebleedkt> refreshes blood
[08:51] <costyn> oookay
[08:51] <fsphil> not quite
[08:51] <nosebleedkt> makes it clear
[08:51] <nosebleedkt> clean
[08:52] <costyn> never saw it that way... not an association I really wanted to make
[08:52] <fsphil> lol
[08:52] <nosebleedkt> lol
[08:52] <costyn> but now ... well, I'll never be able to forget
[08:55] <nosebleedkt> now i need to persuade more people on my page to donate money so i order balloons chutes and stuff :D
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[09:00] <zyp> nosebleedkt, I'm getting rid of excess blood by being a blood donor :p
[09:01] <zyp> I think that's a tad more useful
[09:01] <zyp> and less annoying
[09:01] <nosebleedkt> hehe
[09:01] <fsphil> very important that
[09:02] Action: nosebleedkt scared to give blood. donators get infected with fatal viruses here.
[09:02] <costyn> nosebleedkt: wtf
[09:02] <nosebleedkt> donators & acceptors
[09:02] <zyp> I live in norway, they have good routines here
[09:03] <nosebleedkt> yeah, dirty stuff here... bad health servers.. bad personnel :P
[09:03] <zyp> where?
[09:03] <nosebleedkt> greece
[09:03] <zyp> ah
[09:03] <nosebleedkt> in my city, which is 2nd capital
[09:03] <nosebleedkt> last month
[09:03] <nosebleedkt> a stupid hospital woman personnel
[09:04] <nosebleedkt> infected a whole room with new born babies
[09:04] <nosebleedkt> 20 died same day
[09:05] Action: nosebleedkt no goes in hospitals
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[09:08] Action: nosebleedkt just goes to dentist to fix all his teeth
[09:08] <nosebleedkt> two days ago i fixed 4 teeth in one visit :P
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[09:13] <jcoxon> morning
[09:13] <number10> morning
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[10:43] <UpuWork> ping cuddykid
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[11:05] <kiwi_> Any American here?
[11:08] <eroomde> i am in america if that counts kiwi_
[11:08] <eroomde> though i am english
[11:08] <eroomde> though a waitress told me she loved my kiwi accent on sunday evening
[11:09] <kiwi_> Hehe great. I'm not a real kiwi though :) (ie not new zealander)
[11:10] <kiwi_> eroomde, I don't suppose you launch any balloons over there? I'm looking for the FAA rules on small balloons.
[11:10] <eroomde> the answer is no, i don't
[11:11] <eroomde> the 2nd answer is i believe that under 4kg there basically aren't any
[11:11] <eroomde> qualify the 2nd answer with the first
[11:12] <daveake> 4lbs I think, but that needs qualifying too
[11:13] <kiwi_> My understanding is no rules below 4lbs as well. Sounds pretty generous.
[11:13] <daveake> Yeah but over there 4lbs counts as a pico :p
[11:13] <kiwi_> Everything is big in America ;)
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[11:16] <kiwi_> Hi G8KNN-Jon, you're American?
[11:16] <cuddykid> hey UpuWork
[11:16] <cuddykid> got the email
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[11:32] <domlin> morning guys
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[11:35] <fsphil> brief and to the point
[11:36] <daveake> Needs longer timeout
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[11:42] <eroomde> qualify the 2nd answer with the first
[11:42] <eroomde> woops
[11:42] <eroomde> right bbl
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[12:17] <craag> UpuWork: Found the Az bug, it doesn't understand fractional degrees!
[12:18] <Laurenceb> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=PSY+curve
[12:19] <costyn> Laurenceb: predictable, yet funny
[12:20] <Laurenceb> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=hitler+curve
[12:20] <chris_99> lol
[12:20] <costyn> Laurenceb: that equation is ridiculous
[12:21] <Randomskk> craag: out of interest would you consider having code that talked direct to habitat rather than going through your server, if you could have that bundled with py2exe?
[12:21] <Randomskk> seems kinda unfortunate that it has to go through another server
[12:21] <chris_99> i wonder if they used GAs to create those
[12:22] <costyn> chris_99: well it wasn't done by hand :)
[12:22] <chris_99> heh
[12:23] <costyn> some sort of curve fitting algorightm
[12:25] <zyp> it's just a combination of a lot of subcurves
[12:25] <zyp> that are easy to fit
[12:26] <craag> Randomskk: I had, and spent many hours trying to get various couchdb libraries to work with py2exe
[12:26] <Randomskk> it's a bit of a cheat really
[12:26] <Randomskk> lots of heaviside step functions to set ranges
[12:26] <zyp> exactly
[12:26] <Randomskk> craag: what I mean is
[12:26] <Randomskk> you just need to hita URL
[12:26] <Randomskk> the same way you're doing now
[12:26] <Randomskk> and stick some parameters in the URL
[12:27] <Randomskk> the same as you're doing now
[12:27] <Randomskk> and then decode the JSON response
[12:27] <Randomskk> also the same
[12:27] <Randomskk> couchdb libraries don't provide much you can't do with urllib (or requests which is nicer)
[12:27] <UpuWork> cool craag
[12:27] <craag> There is a folder in the repo of various attempts at doing just that, but I think a lot hadn't worked because I didn't really understand the habitat views back then.
[12:28] <fsphil> I ended up using libcurl to access habitat
[12:28] <craag> I'll get this one working and then take another look at it, because it is a very kludgy solution.
[12:29] <UpuWork> I bought the full program anyway which it works with
[12:29] <Randomskk> craag: it's cool regardless, but would be neater if it could go direct. solves your slowdown bug with multiple users too
[12:29] <Randomskk> I can probably help getting python to chat to couch direct
[12:30] <Randomskk> but yea, there's not much to it. you already have the raw URLs, just gotta populate the query string
[12:30] <craag> Randomskk: Indeed it would! Ok, I'll have another go at it at some point. It was a push to get something functional first, elegant second.
[12:30] <Randomskk> definitely, I like that strategy
[12:31] <Randomskk> give me a shout when you are and I'll see if I can lend a hand
[12:31] <craag> Thanks!
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[13:36] <STRATODEAN_Mark> Anyone built an ArduCopter?
[13:43] <nick_> I'm kinda working on a quadcopter, not using the arducopter board though
[13:44] <STRATODEAN_Mark> Ah cool, what board you using or will it be just RC?
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[13:52] <nick_> We're developing our own.
[13:53] <nick_> At the moment it's designed around an arduino.
[13:53] <nick_> Right now it is just the 4 motors, ESCs, frame, and arduino.
[13:53] <nick_> So it could probably fly, it just has no control mechanism.
[13:54] <zyp> I've also made my own
[13:54] <nick_> I think it's fairly dangerous though.
[13:54] <nick_> We need to make it safer.
[13:54] <nick_> Last night it almost started a fire :S
[13:54] <zyp> dangerous?
[13:54] <nick_> And the blades are not enclosed in any way
[13:54] <STRATODEAN_Mark> Ah haha oh dear
[13:54] <nick_> And they look like they can do some real damage.
[13:55] <STRATODEAN_Mark> they are like flying lawnmowers arent they
[13:55] <nick_> no, 4 flying lawnmowers fighting each other
[13:55] <STRATODEAN_Mark> lol
[13:56] <zyp> :)
[13:56] <costyn> relevant http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5j2z4kXTr1qksk74o1_400.gif
[13:56] <STRATODEAN_Mark> what kind of autonomous range do you think you'd be able to get?
[13:56] <nick_> Well, legally not very far.
[13:56] <nick_> And technically, a little bit further.
[13:56] <STRATODEAN_Mark> mile or so?
[13:57] <nick_> The legal limit, in the UK is really close
[13:57] <nick_> Has to be within line of sight and some distance thresholds I forgot.
[13:57] <zyp> I don't worry too much about the blades, just don't stick stuff into them and you'll be fine
[13:57] <nick_> But we don't expect a long flight time
[13:57] <nick_> zyp: how well does yours fly?
[13:59] <zyp> not very, haven't spent time tuning the filters
[14:00] <STRATODEAN_Mark> Just wondering what kind of costs we are talking if you build your own?
[14:00] <nick_> Take a guess then double it...
[14:01] <STRATODEAN_Mark> ah
[14:01] <zyp> nah
[14:01] <zyp> it's pretty much up to you
[14:01] <nick_> I think we've spent ~£100 so far
[14:01] <nick_> Although we don't have an IMU yet, that will cost, ~£50, I expect
[14:02] <STRATODEAN_Mark> Ah thats alright I was expecting £100s
[14:02] <nick_> Also, our frame material was donated.
[14:02] <STRATODEAN_Mark> you dont have any rc equipment?
[14:02] <nick_> Nope
[14:03] <nick_> Our plan is not to have RC
[14:03] <STRATODEAN_Mark> cool yeah thats what i was wondering mainly really
[14:03] <nick_> Although that may change when we see how much it fails to fly on its own
[14:03] <STRATODEAN_Mark> do you worry that it might go haywire and you have no remote failsafe to get it back under control?
[14:04] <STRATODEAN_Mark> or not lol
[14:04] <nick_> yes
[14:04] <nick_> Although I'm not sure how much RC would really help
[14:04] <nick_> Rather than, say, a killswitch
[14:04] <nick_> I assume it will go crazy and crash into something pretty quickly
[14:04] <STRATODEAN_Mark> ah yeah
[14:05] <nick_> Which may be OK as long as it just breaks itself
[14:05] <nick_> But if it hits someone at the moment I think it could really hurt someone
[14:06] <kiwi_> Hey nick_ why not tie it down with a wire for a start :) No runaway.
[14:06] <nick_> That's our plan
[14:06] <kiwi_> Ok you're way ahead of me
[14:06] <nick_> Initially we'll do some testing having it tied down and just trying to slowly increase all rotors at the same speed until it takes off
[14:07] <nick_> Then try to have it stabilise itself
[14:07] <kiwi_> Or maybe have the wire pull the battery plug for a lofi killswitch
[14:08] <nick_> https://plus.google.com/112855890904073007909/posts/Z7dfLQhZfRd
[14:08] <nick_> There's a picture of it
[14:09] <STRATODEAN_Mark> looks good
[14:11] <nick_> One piece of advice: cheap ESCs can be a pain to work with.
[14:12] Nick change: STRATODEAN_Mark -> S_Mark
[14:12] <nick_> Ours came with a crappy instruction page.
[14:12] <nick_> Which assumes you are using it in an RC plane.
[14:12] <S_Mark> ah
[14:12] <nick_> And just beeps these tricksy codes at you to tell you it's not configured properly
[14:13] <nick_> Took us a while to configure and control properly.
[14:13] <danielsaul> I remember testing my quad... totally underestimated the thrust and broke the string holding it down... that was interesting
[14:15] <zyp> :D
[14:15] <zyp> I tied mine down to a cardboard box for my first test
[14:15] <zyp> it picked up and flipped over the entire box
[14:16] Action: nick_ goes to get some of his lead bricks
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[14:16] <zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/uhket.jpg
[14:16] <zyp> that box
[14:17] <nick_> looks cool
[14:17] <nick_> what size are your blades zyp ?
[14:18] <zyp> those were 10"
[14:18] <nick_> also, nice to see you used an mbed
[14:18] <nick_> Is your code public?
[14:18] <zyp> I just used the mbed for the first tests, while waiting for other stuff
[14:19] <nick_> ok
[14:19] <zyp> it's now using stm32
[14:19] <zyp> first revision used the maple
[14:20] <zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/sTW8U.JPG <- latest revision looks like this
[14:20] <zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/suzumebachi/tree/ <- code is here, but it's not very useful yet
[14:21] <zyp> currently rather dead, I've been focusing on other projects the past half year
[14:22] <zyp> planning to get it going again when the winter ends so I can go outside to fly it without freezing ;)
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[15:57] <SpeedEvil> http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jmpvGxa2iYI&feature=fvwrel
[15:57] <SpeedEvil> sort of on topic
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[16:27] <arko> Morning all
[16:27] <UpuWork> Afternoon Arko
[16:27] <UpuWork> and Willdude123
[16:27] <arko> Wasssup
[16:27] <UpuWork> not much just about to go home :)
[16:28] <arko> Sounds so good right now
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[16:28] <arko> Lucky!
[16:28] <UpuWork> I need some sleep
[16:28] <arko> Busy day?
[16:29] <Willdude123> Hi Upu.
[16:29] <UpuWork> Afternoon Willdude123 hows it going ? You've been quiet recently
[16:29] <Willdude123> Okay.
[16:29] <UpuWork> well been getting up early to get in due to snow, went to bed with a head full of ideas so took a while to get to sleep
[16:29] <UpuWork> as you do :)
[16:30] <UpuWork> Any news on getting permission to launch yet Willdude123 ? :)
[16:30] <Willdude123> School is a bit rubbish, but aside from that, started Calculus course with Ohio State University and Coursera, also about to start a slightly more complicated python course.
[16:31] <Willdude123> UpuWork: Nah.
[16:31] <Willdude123> Not really thought about HABing for a while.
[16:31] <UpuWork> Would you be allowed to come along to a launch ?
[16:31] <Willdude123> Probably not,
[16:31] <UpuWork> ok
[16:31] <UpuWork> shame
[16:32] <Willdude123> Maybe when I'm a little older.
[16:32] <UpuWork> indeed
[16:32] <UpuWork> How's Euler going ?
[16:33] <Willdude123> Okay. Not really done much on programming in a while, more focused on Maths and Physics and stuff.
[16:33] <Willdude123> Well, I guess Project Euler is maths, just a little more abstract.
[16:33] <Willdude123> Well, not really abstract, but you know what I mean.
[16:35] <UpuWork> well if you ever do get permission let us know you'd be more than welcome to come along to a launch, hell even hang somethign you've made off the bottom
[16:35] <UpuWork> right best finish up and go home
[16:35] <UpuWork> bbl
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[16:45] <arko> I wish for coffee
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[17:15] <Maxell> arko: *poof*
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[17:25] <arko> If only
[17:25] <griffonbot> Received email: Wouter Weggelaar [PA3WEG] "[UKHAS] Re: HABrotate - Automatic Flight tracking with PstRotator"
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[17:57] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "Re: [UKHAS] Re: HABrotate - Automatic Flight tracking with PstRotator"
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[18:12] <W0OTM> Hello World
[18:13] <fsphil> yo individual
[18:14] <chrisstubbs> Hello
[18:14] <Upu> Greetings Marshall
[18:18] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "Re: [UKHAS] HABrotate - Automatic Flight tracking with PstRotator"
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[18:20] <craag> Hi Upu
[18:20] <craag> Can't query that setting no, so I've set up a hysteresis value and an overshoot value in the json config.
[18:21] <craag> So it'll only move when it's more than the hysteresis, and will overshoot by 2 or 3 degrees to further reduce the frequency of movement.
[18:23] <Upu> hey craag
[18:23] <Upu> no probs was just a thought
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[18:24] <Upu> exam go ok ?
[18:27] <craag> Yep went well thanks! 'Digital transmission' so easy radio stuff.
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[18:41] <arko> mmmmm coffee
[18:41] <arko> thanks Maxell
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[18:54] <Hix> quick q. hwat differentiates <> from "" in an #include?
[18:55] <Hix> *what
[18:55] <Hix> i.e #include <stdio.h> or "stdio.h"
[18:55] <x-f> location of the library
[18:55] <Hix> ok, what is the change between the two?
[18:55] <fsphil> <> searches the include paths
[18:56] <fsphil> "" is the immediate path iirc
[18:56] <Hix> ok
[18:56] <Hix> was wondering why differnt codes had different methods of doing it
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[18:56] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[18:56] <Hix> hi LL
[18:56] <fsphil> yea a lot of programs include their own include path by compiler flag
[18:57] <fsphil> then #include <>'ing them
[18:57] <Hix> ah right
[19:00] <Hix> I found this http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/C_Programming herehttp://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Topic:C today.
[19:01] <Hix> Can't believe I've never seen it before. It has helped a lot to make sense of the bits of K&R that were very brief in their explanations. It made a lot of things just click with me.
[19:01] <Hix> I reckon I can get me code to work now. I think I've filled in the gaps where I got sh*y wrong and sort of why
[19:02] <fsphil> I'm still finding out things about C
[19:04] <Hix> the syntax is the thing that I'm really struggling to get to grips with. I sort of get how things are calculated and passed etc, but the syntax is just not making sense or sticking in my head.
[19:04] <Hix> I'm ok with foreign languages, but this is really testing my brain. hopefully I'll get the "click" that people refer to, when it just clicks with you
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[19:09] <OZ1SKY_Brian> NSE realy got a cool predicted flight path :-)
[19:10] <Lunar_Lander> hi Brian
[19:10] <OZ1SKY_Brian> I think thats what you call a chicano u-turn.
[19:10] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Hi Lunar_Lander
[19:12] <Hix> I'm now commenting without abandon
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[19:17] <fsphil> commenting is good
[19:18] <Hix> it is when you have my leel of knowledge ;p
[19:18] <Hix> *level, good typing again
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[19:19] <fsphil> oh it's always good
[19:19] <Hix> especially after } as i get lost as to which } is which
[19:19] <fsphil> yep
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[19:20] <fsphil> it's most helpful for someone else reading your code
[19:20] <fsphil> there's nothing worse than trying to pick apart undocumented code
[19:20] <fsphil> well there is, undocumented code without proper indentation
[19:21] <SamSilver> fsphil: what about onion pie?
[19:21] <fsphil> the less successful version of the raspberry pi?
[19:22] <SamSilver> lol
[19:22] <SamSilver> yes
[19:22] <fsphil> too many layers
[19:22] <fsphil> all abstraction and no function
[19:22] <fsphil> plus it smells, tastes awful, and makes people cry
[19:22] <griffonbot> Received email: Philip Crump "Re: [UKHAS] HABrotate - Automatic Flight tracking with PstRotator"
[19:23] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:23] <fsphil> onions. that is the point of you
[19:23] <SamSilver> and a side of pickled onipns
[19:23] <fsphil> weirdly I do like cheese+onion crisps
[19:23] <Hix> I'm still not sure about pointers though, need a yoda class in them
[19:24] <fsphil> yo dawg, I hear you like pointers to your pointers
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[19:25] <OZ1SKY_Brian> something funny going on with the tracking predictor
[19:25] <SamSilver> http://www.gizmag.com/raspberry-pi-lego-case/25929/?utm_source=Gizmag+Subscribers&utm_campaign=9a80123db5-UA-2235360-4&utm_medium=email
[19:26] <Hix> k9 pointers, no problems C pointers, probems
[19:26] <fsphil> void *p = p;
[19:26] <fsphil> I wonder if that's valid
[19:27] <fsphil> oh it is
[19:28] <fsphil> void *p = &p;
[19:29] <Hix> i worked out that the & was referring to the address of, one step forward
[19:29] <fsphil> yea, &p is the address of p
[19:30] <Hix> which makes "gps.get_datetime(&date, &time, &age);" mean sooooo much more to me now
[19:31] <fsphil> yep, you're passing a reference to them rather than the values they contain
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[19:32] <Hix> things are making more sense everyday, it's been a few months but things are sort of going into ye old grey matter
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[19:33] <Hix> another one for the comments fsphil
[19:33] <Hix> cheers :D
[19:37] <mfa298> and when you think you've just got to grips with pointers you come accross things like **p
[19:38] <fsphil> arrays of pointers :)
[19:38] <fsphil> down this way is madness
[19:38] <fsphil> I keep forgetting how to make pointers to functions. always having to look that one up
[19:44] <Hix> I'll give ** a F**** swerve :)
[19:45] <fsphil> ***k is perfectly valid C :)
[19:45] <Hix> :D
[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[19:47] <Hix> deos anyone have K&R as a pdf? I've bought it but sometimes don't have it with me,
[19:48] <Hix> be good to have it in dropbox
[19:48] <fsphil> it's been something I've been meaning to get
[19:49] <fsphil> yikes. maybe second hand
[19:51] <Hix> http://goo.gl/I4ffX not that bad for the new version, though spanish half the price http://goo.gl/uQ9B4
[19:52] <Hix> original not so reasonable http://goo.gl/760Ug
[19:52] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Torrance, CA thats PT right?
[19:53] <OZ1SKY_Brian> PST sorry, i found it, nevermind
[19:54] <Hix> I saved the book from wikiversity, as pdf, it's very good for a contributions effort https://www.dropbox.com/s/51kfgwtnggvbq27/C_Programming-WikiBook.pdf
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[20:09] <Upu> got it craag testing now :)
[20:11] <Upu> yup that looks much better thanks :)
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[20:14] <jcoxon> evening all
[20:14] <Upu> evening jcoxon
[20:14] <number10> evening
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[20:22] <Hix> ping eroomde
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[20:38] <Lunar_Lander> evening anthony
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[21:18] <anerDev> hi guys !
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