highaltitude.log.20130121

[00:00] <W5hrh> I'm at 7.035.80 listening
[00:00] <fsphil> ah it's still alive
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[00:00] <Darkside> when will it be in daylight?
[00:01] <K5WH> I keep seeing something near 850, but can't decode it..
[00:01] <Laurenceb_> i dont see it on the tracker
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[00:02] <kt5tk-6> $$KT5TK,12l2,235712,30.5360,-92.1562,34003,198,http://tkrahn.net*DBA1
[00:02] <Laurenceb_> ooh nice and high
[00:02] <Laurenceb_> aiming for a float?
[00:02] <kt5tk-6> yes
[00:02] <Laurenceb_> cool
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[00:04] <kt5tk-6> Abt 850 Hz here
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[00:06] <kt5tk-6> decoding now
[00:06] <kt5tk-6> 235750,30.5360,-92.1549,33945,14,HAB*574E
[00:06] <kt5tk-6> KT5TK,1261,000604,30.5619,-92.1327,33395,30,balloon*5625
[00:07] <kt5tk-6> $$KT5TK,1262,000639,30.5638,-92.1331,33336,20,http://tkrahn.net*BB00
[00:07] <kt5tk-6> green
[00:09] <kt5tk-6> Try websdr
[00:10] <K5WH> nice catch there Kirk.. Over Lafayette now
[00:15] <kt5tk-6> decoding now
[00:15] <kt5tk-6> 5657,S02.1333,33279,16,HAB*C2CA
[00:16] <kt5tk-6> $$KT5TK,1291,001530,30.5753,-92.0998,32601,4,balloon*1253
[00:16] <kt5tk-6> $$(T5TK,1292,001605,30.5752,-92.0940,32h39,20,http://tkrahn.net*740C!
[00:17] <Laurenceb_> heading down a bit fast
[00:18] <craag> Decoded green on websdr in atlanta georgia
[00:18] <craag> Not uploaded as shoudl probably set my location to that side of the pond first.
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[00:23] <craag> Alt on your last string was 32539 btw.
[00:23] <kt5tk-6> tnx!
[00:27] <jarod> strong ballon is strong: http://x264.nl/dump/52-2205/403.900mhz-H2814379-2013-01-21-12965m-sdrsharp.jpg
[00:27] <jarod> :D
[00:29] <Darkside> they do about 50mW
[00:30] <jarod> those ballons?
[00:30] <Darkside> the Vaisala RS92SGPWs
[00:30] <jarod> well @ 50km away i still got one @ 1km height, so i doubt that
[00:30] <Darkside> er
[00:30] <Darkside> thats normal
[00:31] <craag> Heh, we do that with 10mW.
[00:31] <jarod> this one about 15km away now
[00:31] <Darkside> craag: the rs92s transmit at 2400 baud though
[00:31] <Darkside> iirc
[00:31] <Darkside> its GMSK
[00:32] <craag> Ah fair enough.
[00:32] <Darkside> but yeah, it's about 50mW or so
[00:32] <Darkside> i've for a few of them sitting in the cupboard
[00:32] <jarod> air ballon goes to about 20km?
[00:32] <jarod> or helium?
[00:32] <Darkside> uh
[00:32] <Darkside> if it's anything like the sondes here, they'll get to about 28km
[00:33] <jarod> yesterday 19km
[00:33] <Darkside> mm
[00:33] <jarod> now at 15km and climbing
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[00:33] <Darkside> depends what data they need
[00:33] <Darkside> hmm
[00:33] <Darkside> the local analog sonde should be up now too
[00:34] <jarod> are those ballons coordinated with airtraffic ?
[00:35] <Darkside> depends on where they launch from
[00:35] <jarod> well its near amsterdam north now
[00:35] <jarod> and thats not far from waypoint PAM
[00:36] <jarod> or SPY
[00:36] <Darkside> they're small enough that it wouldn't matter anyway
[00:36] <jarod> its in between :P
[00:36] <jarod> ah ok
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[00:36] <Maxell> Darkside: nah, you don't notice that in your turbine engine?
[00:37] <Darkside> nope
[00:37] <Darkside> wouldn't even stop
[00:37] <Darkside> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=2d6aa0099fafd156e38177d09bcb815109f47fff
[00:37] <Maxell> oh wow
[00:37] <Darkside> damn, wish i'd known that earlier
[00:37] <Darkside> would have driven out to get it
[00:38] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/52-2205/403.900mhz-H2814379-2013-01-21-sondemonitor.jpg
[00:39] <eroomde> fsphil: didn;t see him
[00:40] <eroomde> am currently in Times Square
[00:40] <eroomde> just got to my hotel
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[00:43] <eroomde> probably not got much energy left for anything but steak and bed given it was a 2 hour immigration queue and a long day generally
[00:45] <jarod> Darkside its at 19km now, lets see when it stops :)
[00:45] <Maxell> jarod: I like the amount of pictures you post.
[00:46] <jarod> picture says more than.....
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[00:48] <craag> Kansas City contest club transmitting almost directly over, pulled fldigi off on the last one.
[00:48] <craag> I got 30.651p,-91.7347,30642r0,
[00:52] <kt5tk-6> No PSK copy here
[00:53] <kt5tk-6> Is that descent a burst or just the cold night?
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[00:56] <craag> No psk heard here for last cycle.
[00:57] <jarod> Maxell: http://x264.nl/dump/52-2205/403.900mhz-H2814379-2013-01-21-22504m-sdrsharp-sondemonitor.jpg
[01:02] <jarod> how far and high would a rifle be able to reach? :P
[01:04] <jarod> going down
[01:05] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/52-2205/403.900mhz-H2814379-2013-01-21-24707m-sdrsharp-sondemonitor.jpg
[01:06] <jarod> my low record is 570m, should be able to break that as well :P
[01:08] <craag> kt5tk-6: None heard this cycle. Corrected the last string and got it to pass checksum.
[01:10] <craag> $$KT5TK,1382,004417,30.6513,-91.7347,30642,0,http://tkrahn.net*DB84
[01:10] <K5WH> neat trick craag, didn't know you could do that..
[01:11] <craag> I just corrected where some obvious digits had been corrupted, eg commas and the time, then brute forced one of the latitude digits, and it matches the CRC16 checksum I received, so has very little chance of being wrong!
[01:12] <craag> Used an online checksum calculator to check it.
[01:13] <K5WH> very nice
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[01:19] <kt5tk-6> Great! no burst!
[01:19] <kt5tk-6> stabilizes I hope
[01:20] <craag> That was from a while ago, haven't seen it since :44
[01:20] <jarod> can they steal these weather ballons?
[01:20] <craag> :(
[01:20] <jarod> *stear
[01:20] <jarod> steer?
[01:21] <Darkside> no
[01:21] <jarod> lol one is flying away far and fast
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[01:24] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/52-2205/403.900mhz-H2814379-2013-01-21-6588m-sdrsharp-sondemonitor.jpg
[01:26] <jarod> strong signal :O http://x264.nl/dump/52-2205/403.900mhz-H2814379-2013-01-21-5792m-sdrsharp-sondemonitor.jpg
[01:28] <craag> Still nothing received, I'm off to bed, good luck!
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[01:42] <jarod> new low record as well: http://x264.nl/dump/52-2205/403.900mhz-H2814379-2013-01-21-207m-sdrsharp-sondemonitor.jpg
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[01:44] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/52-2205/403.900mhz-H2814379-2013-01-21-207m-sondemonitor.jpg
[01:44] <jarod> :)
[01:45] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/52-2205/403.900mhz-H2814379-2013-01-21-207m-sdrsharp-sondemonitor.jpg
[01:45] <jarod> oops
[01:46] <arko> eroomde: sup dude
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[02:01] <jarod> btw if you guys use sdrsharp
[02:02] <jarod> an awesome new update was release..... remember settings per mode :P
[02:18] <KT5TK> I get partial decodes through K2SDR websdr
[02:19] <jarod> KT5TK in utwente?
[02:19] <KT5TK> 900 hz
[02:19] <KT5TK> No K2SDR
[02:19] <jarod> oh nm, you named it :)
[02:19] <jarod> ya
[02:19] <KT5TK> 7.035 MHz
[02:19] <jarod> where is that?
[02:19] <KT5TK> http://108.5.225.228:8901/
[02:19] <jarod> country?
[02:19] <KT5TK> USA
[02:20] <jarod> ah doubt i can receive it :P
[02:20] <KT5TK> Websdr
[02:20] <jarod> nothing on 7035 here LO
[02:20] <jarod> :P
[02:20] <KT5TK> Yes only every 10 mins
[02:21] <KT5TK> 3 transmissions in a row
[02:21] <jarod> whens the next?
[02:21] <KT5TK> I try to announce
[02:21] <jarod> no fixed time?
[02:21] <KT5TK> There is a stn right next to it
[02:22] <KT5TK> atm
[02:22] <jarod> nothing here, Amsterdam :P
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[03:02] <KT5TK> Partial decodes: $$KT5TK=1 eeL+tet5506,b o tI stn \3ziE e p://tcrnhn=n
[03:02] <KT5TK> $$KT5TK,1772,02'reU5,p1.0810,-89.791toet599,0,http://tkrahn.net*345B
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[03:03] <KT5TK> now txing
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[03:08] <arko> eroomde: jelly? http://www.flickr.com/photos/arkorobotics/8399933899/in/photostream/
[03:08] <KC0BMF> kt5tk did you see it on the waterfall ? if so where was it ?
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[03:15] <KT5TK> very weak.
[03:15] <KT5TK> KT5TK-11 back on aprs
[03:16] <kk2z> yep...just sent that aprs was back in e-mail....cool! all working.
[03:16] <KC0BMF> any reports for 40m ?
[03:17] <KT5TK> No 40m from me atm
[03:19] <KT5TK> was right at 900 Hz on the K2SDR websdr
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[03:33] <kt5tk-6> $KT$TK,1922,033220,31.4382,-89l11 ei,286F8,dPh t E uorahn.net*D36C
[03:33] <kt5tk-6> direct
[03:33] <kt5tk-6> in Houston
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[04:40] <nigelvh> kt5tk-6 you still on?
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[05:25] <KT5TK> nigelvh: Yes, still awake
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[05:34] <nigelvh> I don't assume you've heard the balloon on 7MHz in a while?
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[05:36] <nigelvh> I've had my rig on most the day, checking in occasionally, but not really hearing anything either on 21 or 7
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[05:45] <KT5TK> Now and then I receive some snippets from PSK. But it has been a while now
[05:46] <nigelvh> Yeah, granted I'm a good ways away and the propagation isn't great, so I'm not suprised I haven't heard anything.
[05:46] <KT5TK> It's only 40 m at night
[05:46] <nigelvh> Yes
[05:47] <nigelvh> I didn't hear anything on 15m earlier in the day either.
[05:47] <KT5TK> I hope APRS awakes again tomorrow
[05:47] <nigelvh> Does it turn off at night, or did it die?
[05:48] <KT5TK> Likely froze. -33C internal
[05:48] <nigelvh> Is that your piconut?
[05:48] <KT5TK> Here at the Gulf coast we always have humid air.
[05:49] <KT5TK> Yes, PecanPico + PecanTurbo
[05:49] <nigelvh> Oh, you're expecting external moisture froze, rather than something of the device got too cold.
[05:49] <KT5TK> don't know for sure but last time the aprs froze, too.
[05:50] <KT5TK> But it appeared back later
[05:50] <nigelvh> hmmm
[05:50] <nigelvh> That would certainly be the hope
[05:50] <KT5TK> http://tkrahn.dyndns.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=9206
[05:52] <nigelvh> For some reason every time I view your gallery the first page always takes a really long time to load.
[05:53] <KT5TK> dyndns
[05:53] <nigelvh> The DNS resolution goes quickly. It's waiting on data from your system.
[05:54] <nigelvh> And sometimes it gives me the "An error has occured while interacting with the database."
[05:54] <KT5TK> hmm, ask comcast...
[05:55] <KT5TK> Will look intothe database issue
[05:55] <nigelvh> I wonder if there's some large query happening and there's a timeout occurring which causes the error to appear.
[05:56] <nigelvh> There we go. Got it to load. Got that error page three or four times, and hit refresh this time and it popped right up.
[05:56] <KT5TK> I think everything gets re-routed though dyndns. that may cause timeouts
[05:57] <nigelvh> If it's attempting DB queries through dyndns then certainly possible
[05:57] <nigelvh> but when I've used dyndns in the past I've never had any issues with HTTP delays. My experience has always just been that it just resolves DNS.
[05:58] <KT5TK> I still don't like putting my pics and documents on pages like fb etc. I still use my own computer
[05:59] <nigelvh> I totally agree. I use my blog. Seems to me there's just something odd with how the gallery application serves things.
[06:00] <nigelvh> Also, that's impressive you've got a full size 40 dipole going on there.
[06:00] <KT5TK> Tnks for letting me know.
[06:00] <KT5TK> The dipole weights 50g on its own :)
[06:01] <nigelvh> Which means you must be using some fairly light wire.
[06:02] <KT5TK> Just so that it can lit its own weight
[06:02] <KT5TK> lift
[06:02] <nigelvh> I'm interested to see how the float goes.
[06:03] <KT5TK> We've had a beautiful launch. Almost no wind on the ground
[06:04] <nigelvh> Handy for those low-lift launches
[06:06] <KT5TK> Essentially I've prepared the whole hardware and waited until the weather was perfect. Then we decided to launch within 3 days
[06:08] <KT5TK> I think next time I want to launch a WSPR beacon
[06:08] <nigelvh> Seems like a good way to go.
[06:09] <nigelvh> I think a WSPR beacon would be fantastic
[06:09] <nigelvh> Much lower signal levels required.
[06:10] <KT5TK> And permanent automatic listeners
[06:10] <KT5TK> Biggest problem is to get people to install dl-fldigi
[06:10] <nigelvh> Yeah
[06:10] <nigelvh> At least over here in the US
[06:19] <Upu> lol so the last position was fro a UK guy ? :)
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[06:31] <KT5TK> Yes, I got some partials later, but no green checksum
[06:31] <KT5TK> APRS.fi has also another later datapoint
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[06:32] <KT5TK> (+2 telemetry records)
[06:33] <Upu> yes I saw that one
[06:33] <Upu> considerably down in altitude
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[06:35] <KT5TK> Well the altitude info is conflicting. It might be a calculated altitude from the barometric pressure which may be quite off at that altitude and temperature.
[06:35] <Upu> ok
[06:36] <KT5TK> The telemetry has some stored GPS value
[06:36] <Upu> ok so could still be up
[06:37] <KT5TK> At least it's worth to check some websdrs now and then
[06:38] <Upu> yup
[06:38] <KT5TK> I've had the last snippets on PSK around 9:33 pm local time (CST)
[06:39] <KT5TK> that is 3:00 AM utc I believe
[06:39] <KT5TK> 3:33
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[06:42] <KT5TK> $KT$TK,1922,033220,31.4382,-89l11 ei,286F8,dPh t E uorahn.net*D36C
[06:43] <nigelvh> Freq?
[06:43] <KT5TK> 7.035 MHz +900 Hz usb
[06:44] <arko> KT5TK you flying?
[06:45] <KT5TK> I have no indication that the float ended
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[06:45] <arko> aprs?
[06:46] <KT5TK> It is possible that the 6xAAA batteries for the PSK are now run down
[06:46] <KT5TK> APRS seems frozen
[06:46] <KT5TK> It woke up for 3 packets at night though
[06:47] <KT5TK> So I have hope that we get more when the day comes
[06:47] <arko> is this going transatlantic?
[06:47] <arko> it looks like it lost altitude
[06:47] <KT5TK> we always hope that
[06:49] <KT5TK> APRS should have enough juice for 5 days
[06:50] <arko> why such a late launch?
[06:50] <KT5TK> late in which respect?
[06:50] <arko> time of day
[06:50] <arko> closer to the evening when it gets colder
[06:51] <nigelvh> They launched this morning
[06:51] <arko> oh
[06:51] <KT5TK> We tried to reach float altitude at dusk.
[06:51] <nigelvh> US time
[06:51] <arko> <- derp
[06:51] <KT5TK> and that worked out well
[06:52] <arko> ah
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[06:53] <KC0BMF> I'm going to call it a night, but I'll leave it running on 40m. GL
[06:54] <KT5TK> KC0BMF: Thanks for watching
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[06:59] <nigelvh> I'll be calling it an evening as well, but I've got the rig on and dl-fldigi at 900hz, we'll see what happens, and I'll switch back to 15m in the morning.
[07:06] <KT5TK> I give up for today as well. Need to work tomorrow. Will see what happens in the morning.
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[07:25] <Upu> ping KT5TK
[07:26] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/VxHxjCp.jpg
[07:26] <Upu> is that it ?
[07:27] <nigelvh> Balloon is transmitting BPSK31, dl-fldigi has the wrong setting.
[07:27] <Upu> if it is how do I decode it ?
[07:27] <Upu> I doubt thats it tbh
[07:27] <nigelvh> Also last known freq was dial 7.035.000 and 900Hz in dl-fldigi
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[07:28] <Upu> oh no its some other hams
[07:28] <Upu> MY FRIEND GOOD MORNING TNX FOR YOU CALL
[07:28] <nigelvh> Yeah
[07:28] <Upu> SQ9ITS Zyga IW3IEA 73 IT
[07:29] <Upu> MY NAME IS WILLY WILLY
[07:29] <nigelvh> LOL
[07:29] <nigelvh> Even funnier when repeated.
[07:29] <Upu> indeed
[07:29] <Upu> this is using a 70cms beam for TRXZ :)
[07:30] <Upu> RX
[07:32] <Upu> busy down on this frequency
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[07:41] <craag> It was wall-to-wall on the 40m websdr last night.
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[07:42] <craag> Most failed decodes were caused by 'X City Contest Club' keying up over the top.
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[07:44] <LazyLeopard> 40 metres is a bear-pit/bull-ring at the best of times...
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[10:06] <nosebleedkt> hi all
[10:07] <nosebleedkt> more and more orders arriving !
[10:07] <nosebleedkt> im waiting a last pcb order so to start soldering :D
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[10:48] <eroomde> arko: yo
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[10:48] <eroomde> still up?
[10:48] <eroomde> 5.50am here
[10:48] <eroomde> @arko sorry
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[10:50] <daveake> How's NYC Ed?
[10:50] <eroomde> it is lucky the SSMEs are reusable
[10:50] <eroomde> who would want th throw that away
[10:50] <eroomde> daveake: good!
[10:50] <eroomde> arrived last night
[10:51] <eroomde> 2 hour immigration queue at JFK :(
[10:51] <daveake> oh nice
[10:51] <eroomde> v large steak for dinner to make up for it :)
[10:51] <eroomde> after a quick stroll round time square just to get an appaetite
[10:51] <eroomde> this morning i'm gonna grab breakfast shortly then walk to the empire state building and try and get to the top deck first thing
[10:52] <eroomde> while the light is still nice and sunrisey
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[10:52] <eroomde> then i'm gonna wander over the the high line park, which is a green park built onto what was a raised train line
[10:53] <eroomde> which runs the length of the city
[10:53] <eroomde> http://www.inhabitots.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/highline3.jpg
[10:53] <daveake> Rockefella center also good for high-up views
[10:53] <griffonbot> Received email: Nicole Blake "[UKHAS] Warwick University satellite project - weather balloon launch"
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[10:55] <jcoxon> morning all
[10:55] <eroomde> daveake: will try and get there too
[10:55] <jcoxon> whats the update with blt-33?
[10:55] <Upu> morning
[10:55] <Upu> intermittant RX
[10:55] <daveake> It's a bit pricey IRIC but great view over Central Park
[10:55] <Upu> nothing for 3 hours
[10:56] <jcoxon> Upu, is it worth looking on GTs?
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[10:56] <Upu> I think M0DNY did last night
[10:56] <Upu> APRS seems to be the only think working
[10:56] <Upu> or at least being RX'd
[10:56] Action: jcoxon is back from night shifts
[10:56] <Upu> wb
[10:57] <eroomde> jcoxon: go to bed
[10:57] <Upu> you made it to the US eroomde ?
[10:57] <gonzo__> I had a listen on PSK31 last night and this morning (7mhz, as I assume they were still in darkness over there)
[10:57] <gonzo__> just in case. nowt heard
[10:57] <daveake> eroomde NYC in Feb '06 ... http://s19.beta.photobucket.com/user/bat-trick/media/005004_zps16c8824c.jpg.html
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[10:58] <daveake> Worse than here now :)
[10:58] <eroomde> nice!
[10:58] Nick change: soafee-chan -> spacekitteh
[10:58] <eroomde> clear atm
[10:58] <eroomde> but epxecting snow later this week
[10:58] <eroomde> hence gonna to the highline park today
[10:58] <daveake> Day before was brilliant sunshine; all that lot landed overnight
[10:58] <fsphil> the high line is brilliant -- there was talk of doing something similar in london
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[10:59] <eroomde> it would be great if they did
[10:59] <eroomde> v keen on the idea in principle
[10:59] <eroomde> hopefully in practice shortly too
[10:59] <fsphil> a country walk through the city
[11:00] <Upu> I like APRS.fi but the mature dating ads have some seriously scary women on them
[11:00] <fsphil> it has ads?
[11:00] <Darkside> adblock ftw
[11:00] <Upu> oh boy are you guys missing out
[11:01] <Upu> behold ! http://i.imgur.com/P54z60F.jpg
[11:01] <Darkside> oh wow
[11:01] <Upu> its those eyes they burrowing into my mind
[11:01] <Darkside> that is disturbing
[11:02] <Darkside> also i wouldn't get those adverts even if i did have adblock
[11:02] <fsphil> that looks like a friend of mine. he's going to be amused
[11:02] <Darkside> i'd probably get images of ladies that are 'near my location'
[11:02] <daveake> That's nearly as bad as the mature dating ads on German TV
[11:02] <eroomde> times square is pretty bright. i could take photos at like iso800without flash at 10pm last night
[11:02] <daveake> grannypawn
[11:03] <GMT> somewhere in Times Square there is a web-cam
[11:03] <zyp> eroomde, that doesn't tell much without shutter and aperture settings
[11:03] <navrac_work> darkside: http://xkcd.com/713/
[11:03] <Darkside> navrac_work: i was wondering if someone would link that
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[11:04] <daveake> lol
[11:04] <navrac_work> I'm too predictable - sorry
[11:04] <Upu> :)
[11:04] <daveake> Well I'd not seen it :)
[11:04] <eroomde> zyp: f2 and hadnholdable speed
[11:04] <amangill1984> Anyone from the UK? I would like to know where I can purchase a weather balloon
[11:04] <jcoxon> okay so its still dark there
[11:04] <fsphil> I'd not seen that one either, ta navrac_work
[11:04] <eroomde> nope not really any UK peeps here
[11:04] <navrac_work> nothing heard here from blt-33
[11:04] <amangill1984> thank you
[11:05] <Upu> morning amangill1984
[11:05] <daveake> Balloons - http://randomsolutions.co.uk/Random_Aerospace/Welcome.html
[11:05] <Upu> try www.rand..
[11:05] <Upu> that
[11:05] <eroomde> amangill1984: sorry i was being sailly
[11:05] <daveake> hah
[11:05] <eroomde> that was a joke
[11:05] <eroomde> we're like 90% UK
[11:05] <eroomde> you have come to the right place
[11:05] <fsphil> eroomde is temporarly awol
[11:05] <amangill1984> Ah ok!
[11:05] <fsphil> +i
[11:05] <daveake> Away With Out Lunar?
[11:06] <fsphil> indeed
[11:06] <fsphil> he lost him at heathrow
[11:06] <daveake> he thinks ...
[11:06] <fsphil> duh duh duh!!
[11:07] <fsphil> what you got planned amangill1984?
[11:07] <fsphil> +have
[11:07] <fsphil> my grammer is getting worse
[11:07] <fsphil> I blame aliens
[11:07] <daveake> and speling
[11:09] <amangill1984> I am a secondary school teacher in Leeds. I'd like to do a project with my students where we send a balloon up in the summer. A basic set up, balloon, chute, payload containing 2 cameras and a gps enabled mobile phone. Only thought of the idea yesterday so i'm still in the googling phase!
[11:09] <Darkside> don't use the mobile phone
[11:09] <Darkside> :-)
[11:09] <fsphil> ah brilliant
[11:09] <Darkside> (in before everyone else says it)
[11:10] <GMT> don't use the mobile phone
[11:10] <GMT> (2nd is the new 1st!)
[11:10] <fsphil> or better, don't rely on the mobile phone
[11:10] <chrisstubbs> ntx2 time
[11:10] <amangill1984> What do you recommend as an alternative? we want to keep the cost as low as possible and it will be a Year 7 project so can't be too 'techy' per se
[11:11] <SpeedEvil> phone only works under 200m or so reliably
[11:11] <SpeedEvil> so you only get signal as it's about to land
[11:11] <daveake> maybe
[11:11] <SpeedEvil> indeed
[11:11] <amangill1984> I see
[11:11] <mattbrejza> amangill1984: if the kids wouldnt manage making a radio tracker between a few of them would you be prepared to take up the task?
[11:11] <SpeedEvil> and you may not get a signal on the ground
[11:12] <mattbrejza> (radio trackers being prefered)
[11:12] <GMT> If only there was somebody near Leeds who could help?
[11:12] <fsphil> do you trust the kids with a soldering iron? :)
[11:12] <daveake> Wonder who we have up there ....
[11:12] <GMT> but would you trust him?
[11:12] <Darkside> daveake: lol
[11:13] <fsphil> oh that guy I totally had to get a paypal refun... ah wait n/m
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[11:13] <amangill1984> It's a possibility... We could ask the tech department to assist with soldering
[11:13] <Darkside> you'll need to do a bit more than soldering
[11:13] <Darkside> a fair bit of coding involved too
[11:14] <Upu> leeds ?
[11:14] Action: Upu ducks
[11:14] <Darkside> hey Upu
[11:14] <Darkside> maybe you can help
[11:14] <Darkside> >_>
[11:14] <Upu> lol
[11:14] <Upu> hi amangill1984 I'm in sunny Halifax
[11:14] <GMT> amangill1984: a lot of balloon flights on here use either a Arduino or a Raspberry Pi; attach a small NTX2 tx'er, and there's about 50-60 people on here who will track it for you
[11:14] <Darkside> 'sunny'
[11:14] <fsphil> don't use a raspberry pi
[11:14] <Upu> well sure there is a sun up there somewhere
[11:14] <Darkside> ^
[11:16] <GMT> amangill1984: how old is 'year 7'; I'm so old that I only remember 'school'
[11:16] <mattbrejza> 1112
[11:16] <amangill1984> They are 11-12!
[11:16] <Upu> I have a school doing a launch at the moment
[11:16] <Upu> Beckfoot
[11:17] <Upu> thats year 7 as well
[11:17] <amangill1984> What set up are they using, Upu?
[11:17] <Upu> Not sure yet but I've offer to loan them a radio tracker
[11:18] <Upu> depends where they get permission to launch from
[11:18] <Upu> its not that easy up our end
[11:18] <Upu> as you have LBA and Manchester quite close so getting permission to launch can be problematic
[11:18] <Upu> have you considered where you might launch from ?
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[11:19] <amangill1984> Ah I see! Ideally it would be from our school but unfortunately we're probably 2 miles from LBA so I can't see that happening!!
[11:19] <Upu> err no :)
[11:20] <Upu> if you want a chat I'll PM you my phone number
[11:20] <amangill1984> Thanks.
[11:21] <GMT> Upu: what about a carfty pico launch?
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[11:21] <Upu> I wouldn't personally launch a Pico within 2 miles of an international airport
[11:21] <mattbrejza> when does it open?
[11:21] <daveake> Indeed. You still have to avoid restricted areas
[11:21] <Upu> 6am first flights I think
[11:21] <Upu> and we are on the approach for manchester too
[11:22] <mattbrejza> < 6am is a little bit early
[11:22] <Upu> yep
[11:23] <griffonbot> Received email: Matthew Beddow "RE: [UKHAS] Warwick University satellite project - weather balloon launch"
[11:24] <fsphil> I'm lucky in that sense, I'm 35km from the nearest airport
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[11:24] <amangill1984> thanks for all your information thus far. I'm sure i'll be back!
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[11:25] <eroomde> that's a heavy radar reflector
[11:25] <fsphil> isn't it
[11:25] <eroomde> not that he needs it
[11:25] <eroomde> she8
[11:25] <eroomde> anyway, breakfast them empiring the state
[11:25] <eroomde> back l8s
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[11:26] <fsphil> careful it doesn't strike back
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[11:31] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Aerospace "Re: [UKHAS] Warwick University satellite project - weather balloon launch"
[11:33] <griffonbot> Received email: Matthew Beddow "RE: [UKHAS] Warwick University satellite project - weather balloon launch"
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[11:45] <dharnke> Anyone know what the problem is when i get the message "TinyGPS does not name a type" in my code
[11:46] <chrisstubbs> have you copied the tinygps folder into the libraries folder?
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[11:48] <dharnke> no
[11:48] <chrisstubbs> Thats most likley the source of your problem then! Are you using windows?
[11:48] <dharnke> yes
[11:49] <chrisstubbs> Ok well you need to download the tinygps libraries
[11:49] <dharnke> is there any link to get the tinyGPS library
[11:49] <chrisstubbs> then copy the "TinyGPS" folder into arduino-1.0.2-windows\arduino-1.0.2\libraries\TinyGPS
[11:50] <chrisstubbs> or whatever your arduino directory is
[11:50] <chrisstubbs> hmm looks like the tinygps page is down for me
[11:50] <dharnke> ok, thanks
[11:50] <chrisstubbs> i will zip it up and send you it
[11:51] <chrisstubbs> http://chris-stubbs.co.uk/hab/TinyGPS.zip
[11:51] <chrisstubbs> oh their site is working, just took ages to load: http://arduiniana.org/libraries/tinygps/
[11:54] <dharnke> ill get that into my arduino folder, should i power my arduino using 9V battery, can it power the ublox (5v), pressure, temp, accelerometer (3.3V)
[11:54] <dharnke> ofcourse with the regulators all connected
[11:54] <chrisstubbs> you will want to use a 5v regulator
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[11:55] <chrisstubbs> ah yes, providing its a decent battery that can put out enough current
[11:55] <chrisstubbs> most of the guys here use 4x energise lithium batteries and a low dropout regulator
[11:56] <chrisstubbs> i tested my payload with duracell 9v batteries but they didnt seem to last long
[11:56] <Darkside> we use the AA lithiums as they work well down to very cold temperatures
[11:56] <Darkside> and have a high energy capacity for their weight
[11:56] <Darkside> each AA cell is about 15g, and has a 3Ah capacity
[11:57] <dharnke> i see
[11:57] <jonsowman> *14g
[11:57] <jonsowman> :P
[11:57] <Darkside> yeah
[11:57] <Darkside> whatever :P
[11:57] <jonsowman> haha
[11:57] <Darkside> annoyingly, the 9V lithium packs don't seem to handle the cold
[11:58] <Darkside> probably a different chemistry or something
[11:58] <Darkside> anyway, the AAs are excellent
[11:58] <jonsowman> they are
[11:58] <chrisstubbs> Ah good job someone pointed that out darkside, i was thinking of using 9v lithiums
[12:00] <mattbrejza> what needs 9V? :/
[12:00] <dharnke> arduino with a bunch of devices
[12:01] <mattbrejza> surely 6V will do
[12:01] <jonsowman> 4xAA, done
[12:01] <jonsowman> at 9V you're just wasting power at the regulator
[12:01] <mattbrejza> 3xAA, done :P
[12:01] <jonsowman> heh, maybe
[12:02] <jonsowman> oh I have a lecture
[12:02] <jonsowman> bbl
[12:02] <mattbrejza> 2min late jonsowman ?
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[12:03] <kiwi_> Hi guys. I read somewhere that balloons under 2m max diameter don't need a NOTAM. Does anyone know about this?
[12:04] <kiwi_> (in UK, that is)
[12:07] <chrisstubbs> Im off for a bit, good luck dharnke
[12:08] <dharnke> thanks for the help guys
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[12:14] <GMT> kiwi_: I think it says something about that in the wiki, but not experienced it myself
[12:15] <fsphil> kiwi_: it's 2m in any direction, including the payload, parachute and anything else
[12:15] <daveake> It's 2m max in any direction and at any point during the flight
[12:15] <fsphil> yea that last bit is important
[12:15] <fsphil> pretty much rules out latex balloons
[12:15] <kiwi_> Interesting.
[12:16] <kiwi_> Can you point me towards the CAA rules on this? I've looked a bit but found it hard to find much of anything.
[12:18] <kiwi_> I found rules for "toy balloons" here: http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=33&pagetype=65&appid=11&mode=detail&id=1108
[12:18] <mattbrejza> http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP393.pdf
[12:18] <mattbrejza> In that document there are usual balloon regulations labelled 163 in Section 1 Part 22 pg 3, but there is a list of exceptions for 'small balloons' on Section 1 Part 32 pg 3. Small balloons are then defined at the bottom (Section 1 Part 33 pg 16) to be no more then 2m in any linear direction.
[12:21] <kiwi_> mattbrejza: Thanks alot! Will read up on that.
[12:21] <daveake> Gotta love the CAA. Half of that is amendment records (blank) / list of effective pages / foreword / intentionally left blank
[12:22] <daveake> ok maybe not half :)
[12:22] <kiwi_> I'm still trying to navigate the section/part/page structure
[12:23] <GMT> Can those references be put into the Wiki anywhere?
[12:23] <daveake> Well volunteered
[12:23] <GMT> I have no way to update it!
[12:24] <daveake> Yes you do. It's a wiki
[12:24] <daveake> Just create an account.
[12:26] <kiwi_> mattbrejza: Correction, the definition is in 1/33/17 (not 16) :)
[12:26] <kiwi_> "'Small balloon' means a balloon of not more than two metres in any linear dimension at any stage of its flight, including any basket or other equipment attached to the balloon;"
[12:28] <mattbrejza> i copied that text from an email i sent a while aho
[12:28] <mattbrejza> ago
[12:29] <mattbrejza> so i could have got it wrong or its changed or something
[12:32] <kiwi_> It's just a minor correction, lots of thanks for finding that for me. I haven't launched any balloon in UK so no experience with CAA but I guess it would simplify if they don't need to be involved.
[12:33] <mattbrejza> yea if its a page reference thats gonna change
[12:33] <mattbrejza> o well, glad to be of help
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[12:35] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Aerospace "Re: [UKHAS] Warwick University satellite project - weather balloon launch"
[12:37] <kiwi_> Why do people use so long strings to tether the payload to the balloon?
[12:37] <KT5TK> just now got some telemetry packets from KT5TK-11
[12:37] <KT5TK> Alt=100kft
[12:37] <fsphil> 33km?
[12:37] <Darkside> kiwi_: to avoid thing swinging
[12:37] <Darkside> and hitting the balloon
[12:37] <fsphil> oh nice you're on spacenear again
[12:37] <Darkside> i've done a pico launch with a 2m long payload, and the balloon bobbed around so much the payload almost hit the balloon
[12:38] <fsphil> yea I use 10m minimum for the cord
[12:38] <daveake> Also, when the parachute gets stuck in the top of a tree, the payload might be within reach :)
[12:38] <fsphil> ASTRA1, Receivers: MATT, matttt, MATTs, MATTjgvhfcfg, Matt-test, MATT_XOOM, Matt-test2, Matt-test1
[12:38] <fsphil> I think Matt's testing
[12:38] <fsphil> or cloning himself
[12:38] <fsphil> not sure
[12:39] <kiwi_> Longer cord means less swinging? Sounds counterintuitive.
[12:39] <daveake> we'll gloss over that
[12:39] <fsphil> ah wait that telemetry on spacenear is from last night
[12:39] <daveake> slower swinging
[12:39] <mattbrejza> well frequency of swing is less
[12:39] <fsphil> KT5TK: what's its location?
[12:40] <kiwi_> That part I can understand.
[12:41] <kiwi_> I suppose the swinging in the first place comes from ascending into layers of different winds.
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[12:41] <navrac_work> KT5TK - was that on 40m ?
[12:42] <fsphil> yea turbulance
[12:42] <fsphil> turbulence
[12:42] <fsphil> silly a/e
[12:42] <KT5TK> duno must be close to KR4AIK-2
[12:42] <kiwi_> Silly English :)
[12:42] <fsphil> that too :)
[12:42] <KT5TK> No APRS
[12:42] <fsphil> I've seen videos from balloons that had no motion at all
[12:42] <fsphil> and others are bouncing around like crazy
[12:43] <fsphil> there's a lot of wind even at >30km
[12:43] <daveake> One I saw had no line - payload tied to the neck. It did a 360 at one point
[12:43] <fsphil> yea!
[12:43] <kiwi_> Heh
[12:43] <fsphil> that iphone launch was tumbling like crazy
[12:43] <KT5TK> http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&call=KT5TK-11
[12:44] <fsphil> so yea the slower swing also helps with radio tracking
[12:44] <fsphil> keeps the antenna steady
[12:45] <kiwi_> Ok, fading has a longer period
[12:48] <daveake> Less fading - doesn't reach the same angles
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[12:49] <chris_____> probably time to switch to 15 metres for blt-33
[12:50] <kiwi_> Do you have any Swedish members? Would be fun to get in contact with someone local.
[12:50] <Laurenceb> bacon lettuce and tomato ?!
[12:50] <KT5TK> There is http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=7&call=a%2FKT5TK-11&timerange=172800&tail=172800
[12:51] <KT5TK> new position
[12:51] <KT5TK> 108186 ft
[12:52] <chris_____> that is good news i was looking at tracker map with old position from yesterday definately in sunshine now!!
[12:54] <chris_____> also using supersweeper option in HRD to help look..
[12:56] <fsphil> ah I forgot to leave my radio on
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[13:01] <Darkside> hrmm
[13:02] <Darkside> just got a message saying google has disabled the maps api for this service
[13:02] <Darkside> odd
[13:02] <Darkside> reloaded and it's fine
[13:02] <fsphil> all good here
[13:03] <fsphil> ah, someone's de-matt'ed it
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[13:07] <chris_____> copying usa, dominican republic and canada on 15 metres so it is open
[13:08] <navrac_work> yep its open alright - but no sign of it yet
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[13:11] <GMT> I'm getting some RTTY on 21.0708 - is that it?
[13:11] <navrac_work> there are lots of stations around there -
[13:12] <mattbrejza> i thought it was PSK GMT
[13:12] <navrac_work> UA3PAB is quiter strong and almost rtty sounding
[13:12] <navrac_work> well very very nasrrow band rtty sounding!
[13:13] <chris_____> gmt no it is psk
[13:13] <GMT> okay, I'll fire-up DL-FLDIGI and take a look; it will be good practise!
[13:14] <chris_____> on waterfall will show as one vertical line and one clear note
[13:14] <mattbrejza> itll still have sidebands
[13:14] <mattbrejza> itll look similar to one rtty one (rather than two)
[13:15] <chris_____> c/s ve1cdd just popped up
[13:15] <mattbrejza> and wont sound quite like a pure tone - generate some in fldigi so you know what youre looking for
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[13:21] <GMT> well, I got the UA3PAB signal very easily
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[13:26] <chris_____> IF YOU USE hrd PUT c/s IN ALARMS
[13:27] <chris_____> A PROPERLY DRIVEN SIGNAL WILL NOT HAVE SIDEBANDS
[13:27] <chris_____> sri abt capitals
[13:28] <GMT> the Autoconfigure puts it into slowhell
[13:30] <mattbrejza> its got to have sidebands
[13:31] <mattbrejza> at 31Hz the signal will only be about 30Hz wide, but htats still sidebands
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[13:31] <mattbrejza> if you could PSK modulate without generating sidebands then that would fix many issues for wireless engineers
[13:32] <chris_____> gmt i asked that abt hell it doesn't matter, go into op mode and selecyt psk31
[13:33] <GMT> I've manually switched to PSK31; lots of sigs coming here, all from Russia.
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[13:34] <GMT> one sig in the waterfall just displayed '73'! cool!
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[13:37] <KT5TK> new position: 117139 ft
[13:37] <x-f> it's so high
[13:37] <KT5TK> I hope it doesn't get higher
[13:38] <fsphil> that's 35.7km
[13:38] <KT5TK> slow horizontal movement: 19mph
[13:38] <fsphil> how big was the balloon?
[13:38] <KT5TK> Hwoyee 1600
[13:38] <chris_____> a properly driven signal will not have sidebands at the receiving end lol
[13:38] <fsphil> still in safe territory then
[13:39] <fsphil> those things when underfilled are happy at 40km
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[13:40] <griffonbot> Received email: chris hillcox "[UKHAS] Re: Warwick University satellite project - weather balloon launch"
[13:40] <griffonbot> Received email: Christopher Atherton "Re: [UKHAS] Warwick University satellite project - weather balloon launch"
[13:40] <chris_____> i have a red bar and a time since rx of 46 minutes with a bad checksum on dl-fldigi hab. could that be any psk signal?
[13:41] <Brace> I saw earlier that using mobiles to sms payload coords isn't recommended, is it ok as a backup system? eg radio and sms (as a backup)?
[13:41] <jonsowman> yes Brace, that's very common
[13:42] <jonsowman> though if you land in an area with no SMS coverage you're a bit stuffed
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[13:42] <sergio> hi
[13:43] <jonsowman> hello
[13:43] Nick change: sergio -> Guest90268
[13:43] <Guest90268> my name is Sergio, I´m from Brasil.
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[13:43] <GMT> Hola Sergio
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[13:43] <Guest90268> hi, now is ok?
[13:44] <jonsowman> type "/nick <yourname>"
[13:44] <GMT> now is fine, we are just talking about balloon flights
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[13:44] <Guest90268> please, I'm from Brazil and found a page of balloons in google.
[13:45] <Guest90268> I would love to know how is the tracking of balloons ... can someone show me something to read?
[13:45] <GMT> Yes, Sergio, that is us here; we launch high-altitude ballons with a small radio ham transmitter
[13:45] <jonsowman> try the UKHAS wiki
[13:45] <Brace> jonsowman: yeah, makes sense, we're planning on following in a car or two anyway
[13:45] <Brace> thanks
[13:46] <Guest90268> 3200 balloons can monitor simultaneously with this system? iss is an example
[13:46] <jonsowman> Brace: yes that's pretty normal
[13:47] <Guest90268> thank you very much
[13:47] <Guest90268> 'll see the page and I doubt voutar here?
[13:48] <Guest90268> 'll see the page and no doubt I can come back here?
[13:48] <GMT> Sergio: 3200 ballons! that's a lot of balloons!
[13:48] <Guest90268> actually think of monitoring buoys
[13:49] <kiwi_> Guest90268: Interesting, care to tell more?
[13:50] <GMT> that is still a lot to monitor ... what happens if they all transmit at one time?
[13:50] <Hibby> you'd need some sort of scheduling based on time input from gps to avoid that...
[13:51] <Hibby> I've just charged a client ~ $170k for that on their network ;)
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[13:53] <Guest90268> I think of buoys monitor the status of the case and leave the place to inform the position and inform the battery usage. would be every hour or more.
[13:57] <kiwi_> Once an hour should allow for all buoys to share radio spectrum. Is it a research project?
[13:59] <Guest90268> yes, a river study, temperature and speed
[14:00] <chris_____> water buoys?
[14:00] <GMT> Hmmm, the low-power transmitters that we use do not have much range at ground-level
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[14:00] <chris_____> floating down the rivers..?
[14:01] <Guest90268> yes, buoys in the water .. sorry the delay in replying, I am using the google translator
[14:02] <kiwi_> I agree, range is a problem if you want to cover big distances at ground level. How about making small GPRS trackers?
[14:02] <Guest90268> as boias ficam presas, mas podem se soltar, por isso o gps.
[14:03] <Guest90268> sounds interesting ... and how would that be?
[14:04] <Guest90268> buoys are trapped, but may come off, so the gps.
[14:04] <kiwi_> Or why not log data inside the buoys, recover the buoys downstream and read out the data afterwards?
[14:06] <Guest90268> Yes, we also think that, but the location is difficult to access, and would like to leave it running for at least 6 months without needing someone.
[14:07] <Guest90268> they would transmit every 1 hour status, temperature, and battery if soute send location
[14:09] <griffonbot> Received email: Adam Cudworth "[UKHAS] Re: Warwick University satellite project - weather balloon launch"
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[14:11] <SP9UOB_Tom> hi all
[14:12] <kiwi_> Guest90268: What radio range do you need?
[14:14] <Guest90268> not quite understand about it, but I think of something simple that has a good reach. or maybe medium wave AM.
[14:14] <Guest90268> so I'm asking for your help, for me this is all new.
[14:14] <Guest90268> and do not quite know where to start
[14:15] <Guest90268> I have the experience so far is with arduino, gps, gprs
[14:17] <Upu> http://rockblock.rock7mobile.com/ ><-
[14:24] <kiwi_> That uses Iridium satellite comm. Sounds expensive for thousands of units.
[14:27] <Guest90268> not seem to be cheaply
[14:28] <Guest90268> thanks for everyone's help, I will search and I will give news.
[14:28] <kiwi_> Is there GPRS coverage?
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[14:29] <navrac_work> have a look at a zigbee type system where each buoy acts as a repeater in a mesh, that may help
[14:30] <Guest90268> in some places yes
[14:31] <kiwi_> Guest90268: I'm interested in the project. I design embedded systems for a living, you
[14:31] <kiwi_> Guest90268: I'm interested in the project. I design embedded systems for a living, you're welcome to contact me at fpvkiwi@gmail.com
[14:31] <Guest90268> at first I thought of using gprs but not imagine how many the system to monitor equipment, I would use sms
[14:31] <navrac_work> mount a repeater on a pole thaT an link to the buoys and act as a longer range backhaul to the next big station
[14:32] <Guest90268> thank you, I'm starting in this area, I will contact him yes.
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[14:34] <Guest90268> I understand, but I do not see how to receive and send all the data to a web page
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[14:35] <KT5TK> Last telemetry says KT5TK is above 119kft
[14:37] <KT5TK> http://aprs.fi/telemetry/KT5TK-11
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[15:07] <fsphil> still rising KT5TK?
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[15:13] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Aerospace "[UKHAS] Balloon Order"
[15:13] <costyn> nice one Steve
[15:16] <fsphil> I'll just file that one under "oops"
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[15:17] <costyn> might be good to expunge that one from google groups, seeing as it has some personal info in it
[15:17] <fsphil> indeed
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[15:26] <griffonbot> Received email: Matthew Beddow "RE: [UKHAS] Balloon Order"
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[15:27] <chris_____> IS KKT5TK ON THE WAY DOWN?
[15:27] <griffonbot> Received email: Jon Sowman "Re: [UKHAS] Balloon Order"
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[15:29] <fsphil> anyone's guess atm
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[15:34] <jcoxon> anyone getting KT5TK's PSK?
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[15:37] <fsphil> I think the recent data was aprs only
[15:37] <anerDev> hi guys !
[15:37] <fsphil> hiya anerDev
[15:37] <jcoxon> http://www.voacap.com/areapredictions/50fd5f9074607/
[15:38] <anerDev> I have a question about the Arduino sketch of ntx2
[15:39] <fsphil> those are good odds jcoxon
[15:39] <fsphil> although that's for 80 watts tx
[15:40] <jcoxon> haha http://www.voacap.com/areapredictions/50fd6151c14a4/
[15:40] <anerDev> Who can help me '
[15:40] <fsphil> anerDev: just ask
[15:40] <fsphil> nobody will know unless we know the question :)
[15:40] <anerDev> ok !
[15:40] <anerDev> I0m using 3 sensor and gps
[15:40] <fsphil> well it's still >0% jcoxon :)
[15:41] <jcoxon> fsphil, will it be usb or lsb?
[15:41] <fsphil> I'll have a listen when I get home
[15:41] <fsphil> USB iirc
[15:41] <fsphil> well it's PSK so it doesn't matter
[15:41] <anerDev> I would like to send a radio string like this: latitude, longitude, altitude, temperature, humidity, atmospheric pressure
[15:42] <anerDev> this is an example
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[15:43] <GMT> anerdev: when you send the lat & long, make sure they are in the right format
[15:43] <fsphil> interesting, sydney has better odds of receiving it than the UK
[15:44] <jcoxon> the difficulty is finding the correct signal
[15:44] <anerDev> lat 8888.8888 | lon 8888.8888 | alt 25 m | temp 25 *C | hum 60 % | 100 kPa
[15:44] <fsphil> I must check the websdr
[15:44] <anerDev> so, I have create the sketch for send in serial port this string, and it work perfect
[15:45] <anerDev> but I would like to send the same string to ntx2, but I don't know how do it
[15:45] <fsphil> your example code is already sending a string anerDev. just change it so that it sends this new string
[15:45] <GMT> anerdev: I'm in London and my Lat is 51 degrees 24 mins; this should be sent as 51.33, not 5133.0
[15:46] <anerDev> yes yes, the number is an example ! not the real ...
[15:46] <anerDev> fsphil but how ?
[15:46] <fsphil> just pass the string to the rtty function, instead of the test message
[15:47] <anerDev> the code for send a message is dtostrf(temperatura, 2, 2, datastring);
[15:47] <anerDev> unsigned int CHECKSUM = gps_CRC16_checksum(datastring); // Calculates the checksum for this datastring
[15:47] <anerDev> char checksum_str[6];
[15:47] <anerDev> sprintf(checksum_str, "*%04X\n", CHECKSUM);
[15:47] <anerDev> strcat(datastring,checksum_str);
[15:47] <anerDev> rtty_txstring (datastring);
[15:47] <GMT> anerdev: okay, I understand; but a recent balloon sent the lat&long in the wrong format - caused problems for spacenear and DL-FLDIGI
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[15:47] <fsphil> that looks fine anerDev
[15:47] <anerDev> i change this rtty_txstring (datastring); string ?
[15:47] <anerDev> ok ok GMT ! :)
[15:47] <fsphil> how is datastring declared?
[15:48] <fsphil> hmm... I've broken java
[15:48] <fsphil> websdr won't start
[15:48] <fsphil> oh wait it's offline
[15:48] <anerDev> I'm using the example code in the ukhas wiki
[15:48] <fsphil> there we go
[15:50] <fsphil> what is being transmitted anerDev?
[15:51] <anerDev> sorry, I don't understand :/
[15:51] <GMT> good signal from Nashville on 21 Megs, still cant find KT5TK
[15:51] <fsphil> is anything being transmitted over RTTY?
[15:52] <anerDev> I would like to transmit over RTTY
[15:52] <fsphil> you already did, you had it transmitting the test message
[15:52] <fsphil> is that still working?
[15:52] <anerDev> yes yes
[15:52] <anerDev> work perfect the example !
[15:52] <anerDev> But I would send the variable of sensor and gps, not a simple string ..
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[15:53] <fsphil> yep, but starting with that code you can add this
[15:53] <fsphil> start with a simple string, with a single number that increases each line
[15:53] <anerDev> but how ?
[15:54] <anerDev> have you an example code ?
[15:54] <fsphil> it's the same code as you have now. just declare a string, and put some text on it, using snprintf() for example
[15:54] <fsphil> then transmit that string
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[15:55] <anerDev> I'm not an ace in C, but if I read an example I understand !
[15:55] <anerDev> =D
[15:55] <anerDev> ok, now I test this
[15:55] <fsphil> the nice thing is there's no harm in trying :)
[15:55] <fsphil> mistakes are part of learning
[15:56] <jcoxon> its so hard finding this signal (if it exists)
[15:56] <jcoxon> 10min gaps, somewhere on the waterfall...
[15:56] <fsphil> yea the gaps are annoying
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[15:59] <anerDev> fsphil watch this: http://pastebin.com/gZTUCAtS
[16:00] <anerDev> don't work
[16:00] <anerDev> :/
[16:01] <jcoxon> fsphil, all yours
[16:01] <fsphil> you're not using snprintf correctly anerDev
[16:01] <fsphil> you use that function to build up a string
[16:01] <fsphil> which you then send
[16:02] <fsphil> you need a string first of all
[16:02] <fsphil> char msg[100]; maybe
[16:03] <anerDev> ok, one moment
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[16:04] <x-f> is the transmitting cycle bound to GPS clock?
[16:04] <jcoxon> x-f, i assume so
[16:04] <fsphil> trying websdr again. had to update java
[16:04] <jcoxon> but i'm not sure if its 10mins between end of tx and start
[16:04] <jcoxon> or it takes into account the duration of the transmission
[16:05] <x-f> right
[16:06] <jcoxon> if we can find it once we could properly start tracking it
[16:06] <jcoxon> but right now small needle, bit 15m band haystack
[16:06] <fsphil> you trying locally jcoxon or websdr?
[16:06] <jcoxon> websdr in canada
[16:06] <SP9UOB_Tom> just turn signal monitor
[16:06] <x-f> i'm trying a globaltuner in Florida, but nothing so far
[16:06] <SP9UOB_Tom> on
[16:07] <x-f> there are lots of talks!
[16:07] <SP9UOB_Tom> signal browser
[16:07] <anerDev> fsphil this don't work: http://pastebin.com/b6QRx0ed
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[16:07] <SP9UOB_Tom> View -> signal browser
[16:07] <SP9UOB_Tom> in fldigi
[16:07] <daveake> anerDev I think you need to read a C primer
[16:08] <jcoxon> SP9UOB_Tom, ooo thats clever
[16:08] <jcoxon> does it decode everything at once?
[16:08] <GMT> wow!
[16:08] <SP9UOB_Tom> also You can enter $$ in find field -> if telemetry will be found it higlight it on
[16:09] <SP9UOB_Tom> yes
[16:09] <x-f> that's handy
[16:09] <anerDev> yes daveake, I'm not an ace in C, but if I read an example I understand
[16:09] <SP9UOB_Tom> anyway it works in most PSK modes
[16:09] <daveake> The code you showed there isn't even near being correct; you really need to learn a bit
[16:10] <daveake> Otherwise it's going to be hard work helping you here
[16:10] <fsphil> anerDev: start with this: http://pastebin.com/T7fA1nTS
[16:11] <daveake> anerDev If nothing else, read up on types of variables, including strings, and then look up snprintf
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[16:13] <daveake> And in C you can't just go adding strings together expecting them to concatonate
[16:13] <fsphil> indeed
[16:13] <daveake> More's the pity :)
[16:14] <number10> use python
[16:14] <fsphil> on an avr? P)
[16:14] <number10> :)
[16:14] <fsphil> actually I wouldn't be surprised
[16:14] <fsphil> people managed to use C#
[16:14] <fsphil> kinda
[16:14] <SP9UOB_Tom> 15m is slowly closing :-(
[16:14] <daveake> http://code.google.com/p/megapython/
[16:14] <jcoxon> yeah i've noticed that SP9UOB_Tom
[16:15] <SP9UOB_Tom> 2-3 stations from USA by now
[16:16] <SP9UOB_Tom> im CQing :-)
[16:16] <fsphil> java is refusing to work for me at all
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[16:17] <anerDev> ok, I'm testing
[16:18] <jcoxon> SP9UOB_Tom, can rx you in San Antonio, Tx
[16:19] <SP9UOB_Tom> jcoxon: 100 watt output :-)
[16:19] <GMT> 'UOB: in the Signal Browser window, what are the numbers on the left side?
[16:19] <fsphil> waterfall frequency I think
[16:20] <jcoxon> khz?
[16:20] <fsphil> hz
[16:20] <fsphil> this is from memory, could be wrong :)
[16:20] <GMT> hz or khz relative to what?
[16:20] <fsphil> Hz, offset from the radio frequency
[16:21] <fsphil> in USB it'll be the + the dial
[16:21] <fsphil> LSB -
[16:21] <SP9UOB_Tom> GMT: waterfall freq
[16:21] <SP9UOB_Tom> hertz
[16:22] <GMT> so, should I tune to 21.070, or to 21.0708?
[16:22] <fsphil> if you tune to 21.070 USB
[16:22] <fsphil> the signal should be 800Hz on your waterfall
[16:22] <fsphil> but I believe it's drifting a bit
[16:23] <jcoxon> fsphil, if its even there
[16:23] <fsphil> yea
[16:23] <fsphil> hopefully still going
[16:23] <fsphil> it's one of the better floats
[16:23] <jcoxon> i think we need to be strategic about this
[16:23] <jcoxon> so spend 15mins on each GT
[16:23] <jcoxon> with signal browser to hunt the signal
[16:23] <GMT> I've spent the last hour on .0708, so now I will try .070
[16:23] <jcoxon> as we need to find the freq and the timings
[16:26] <jcoxon> okay nothing on san antonio GT
[16:27] <SP9UOB_Tom> im listening here for about 3 hours - nothing. MAybe on 40m
[16:27] <jcoxon> it shouldn't of switched to 40m yet
[16:27] <SP9UOB_Tom> jcoxon: i know
[16:28] <anerDev> I think that I have found the solution ! =D
[16:28] <anerDev> one moment !
[16:28] <SP9UOB_Tom> jcoxon: what is his callsign ?
[16:28] <jcoxon> KT5TK
[16:28] <SP9UOB_Tom> jcoxon: transmited on psk ?
[16:29] <jcoxon> yes
[16:29] <SP9UOB_Tom> http://pskreporter.info/
[16:29] <SP9UOB_Tom> maybe someone picked
[16:29] <SP9UOB_Tom> Monitoring K5TK (last heard 5 days ago). Automatic refresh in 5 minutes. Large markers are monitors.
[16:29] <SP9UOB_Tom> :-(
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[16:37] <navrac_work> I've been monitoring 15m most of the day on and off - loads of activity including the states and canada - but no trace of KT5TK
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[16:48] <anerDev> I have understand how resolve ! Watch this: http://pastebin.com/rCijJzaL
[16:49] <anerDev> but how can I prinf the only caracter %
[16:49] <fsphil> now you're getting somewhere
[16:49] <fsphil> you print the % with two %%'s
[16:49] <fsphil> %d %%
[16:50] <anerDev> I'm correctiong
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[16:50] <anerDev> YESS work !
[16:50] <anerDev> 19 *C | 52 % | 309 kPa this is the string in fl-digi
[16:50] <anerDev> =D
[16:50] <fsphil> sweet
[16:50] <anerDev> but I would like to use float, not int
[16:50] <daveake> No you wouldnt
[16:50] <daveake> :)
[16:50] <anerDev> I change int to float but don't work
[16:50] <anerDev> I can use only int ?
[16:51] <daveake> No, the require dlibrary isn't included
[16:51] <daveake> Most people work around it
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[16:51] <anerDev> wich library should i use ?
[16:52] <daveake> It's a command to the linker, and I don't happen to know what, but someone here might
[16:52] <daveake> One option is to convert float to string using dtostrf
[16:52] <daveake> Then sprintf that with %s
[16:53] <anerDev> one moment
[16:54] <DanielRichman> the avr libc docs say "-Wl,-u,vfprintf -lprintf_flt -lm" (incase anyone was interested or daveake); but I haven't tried it myself
[16:55] <DanielRichman> also if this is arduino I dunno if you can just pass flags to the linker
[16:55] <daveake> tvm
[16:55] <DanielRichman> http://www.nongnu.org/avr-libc/user-manual/group__avr__stdio.html#gaa3b98c0d17b35642c0f3e4649092b9f1 <-- from here
[16:55] <daveake> No apparently not (well the first google hit said you can't, so it must be true :p )
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[16:56] <anerDev> I'm thinking ? On SD arduino record the data (work correctly), and I need the rtty transmission only for understand the situation of the ballon
[16:56] <anerDev> but at distance I don't need know the exactly temperature/pressure/humidity
[16:57] <daveake> Indeed you don't
[16:57] <anerDev> =d
[16:58] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[16:58] <anerDev> and for put the lat lon and alt
[16:58] <anerDev> I use
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[16:58] <anerDev> snprintf(msg, 1000, "lat %d | lon %d | alt % | %d *C | %d %% | %d kPa \n", lat, lon, alt, temp, hum, pres);
[16:58] <jcoxon> fsphil, could KT5TK be down?
[16:59] <jcoxon> looking at the hold APRS data
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[17:07] <number10> jonsowman: thanks for deleting email from archives
[17:07] <jonsowman> no problem :)
[17:09] <KT5TK> jcoxon: Likely had a burst. I have approximate altitudes of 52kft and 8kft in the telemetry data
[17:10] <KT5TK> landing location seems to be close to KI4WXS-10
[17:12] <fsphil> yea that's certainly a downward trend
[17:13] <jcoxon> KT5TK, tracking is hard!
[17:13] <jcoxon> not sure how we could improve it though
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[17:16] <KT5TK> Plan is to put up a WSPR beacon next time
[17:16] <fsphil> satellite will probably be the most reliable way of tracking these
[17:16] <fsphil> sadly expensive :(
[17:17] <KT5TK> Well it was supposed to use ISS, but that probably wasn't enough power
[17:17] <fsphil> bbl, drive home through snow. yay :)
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[17:22] <jcoxon> KT5TK i'd love to do aprs via the iss
[17:22] <jcoxon> but its so unreliable
[17:23] <KT5TK> True. We need more APRS satellites!
[17:23] <jcoxon> i know!
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[17:24] <jcoxon> there don't seem to be any plans for them though
[17:26] <craag> I reckon we need to start using something other than afsk first though.
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[17:27] <jcoxon> craag, in what way?
[17:27] <craag> Well, something with some fec in it (for aprs)
[17:28] <craag> Linux soundmodem has support for a mode called newqpsk which looks interesting, haven't actually tried setting up igate + beacon with it yet though.
[17:28] <KT5TK> interesting.
[17:28] <jcoxon> the only advantage of aprs is the network
[17:29] <craag> Yeah, that's the bit that makes bringing in a new mode very difficult!
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[17:30] <KT5TK> In general It would be nice to have some cheap web based listener stations distributed everywhere. Maybe some Raspi with a SDR dongle and network connection
[17:30] <jcoxon> KT5TK, well habitat could do the backend
[17:30] <KT5TK> Yes, true
[17:30] <jcoxon> i mean dl-fldigi does work
[17:30] <KT5TK> if it can cope with that much traffic
[17:30] <jcoxon> (there is even packet upstream)
[17:30] <SP9UOB_Tom> KT5TK: consider WSPR - slow, but there is HUGE network of listeners
[17:30] <chrisstubbs> would the raspi be fast enough to handle the SDR processing?
[17:31] <KT5TK> APRS-IS has some more bandwidth I guess
[17:31] <SP9UOB_Tom> and need almost no tx power :-)
[17:31] <griffonbot> Received email: John Underwood "Re: [UKHAS] Launch announcement - Tuesday 22nd January - Chalgrove"
[17:31] <craag> chrisstubbs: I'm not sure about the rtl-sdr, but the funcube definitely!
[17:31] <jcoxon> nah it struggles with rtl-sdr
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[17:31] <KT5TK> Raspi might be good enough if you don't need a graphical waterfall display
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[17:32] <chrisstubbs> does the funcube do the tuning hardware side?
[17:32] <jcoxon> temperature drift is an issue
[17:32] <chrisstubbs> as i understand the RTL bashes all the rf data down the usb port, then the software "tunes" it
[17:33] <craag> chrisstubbs: It deals with 200KHz of bandwidth, rtl-sdr is about 1 MHz minimum.
[17:33] <chrisstubbs> Ah okay i see
[17:33] <KT5TK> SP9UOB_Tom: Yes I mentioned that we're planning a WSPR beacon next floater
[17:33] <SP9UOB_Tom> KT5TK: me too :-)
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[17:39] <bertrik> KT5TK: for our hackerspace, we plan to set up a HAB tracker station. Remote control will probably simply be VNC ... :
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[17:54] <cuddykid> hm
[17:55] <cuddykid> just received an email -> "I am doing a survey on the thickness of payload boxes made of styrofoam - polystyrene. If you can help, please send me your thicknesses." :)
[17:56] <priyesh> same here
[17:56] <jonsowman> that is definitely not OK
[17:56] <jonsowman> someone tell him to stop that
[17:56] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Aerospace "[UKHAS] Dave's Balloon order"
[17:56] <cuddykid> thought he got the ultimate data sample from Randomskk the other day
[17:56] <daveake> He did lol
[17:56] <daveake> I feel left out :(
[17:57] <cuddykid> lol
[17:57] <daveake> I think my short reply to his request for info about my plans for the year may be a factor
[17:57] <cuddykid> ha
[17:57] <daveake> short but polite, I should add :)
[17:57] <priyesh> daveake: i did the same thing
[17:57] <priyesh> i summarised in 1 sentence
[17:58] <cuddykid> he did say when I responded that I was one of the only ones to respond so far
[17:58] <daveake> It was "sorry, first flight is a secret", basically
[17:58] <cuddykid> :P
[17:58] <daveake> cuddykid lol
[17:58] <chrisstubbs> The micrometer bit did make me laugh
[17:59] <cuddykid> I still laugh when I read that post
[17:59] <daveake> Pretty much all of it made me laugh. Well except the actual numbers :)
[17:59] <GMT> You could of told him some odd values so that he spent ages searching for that size.
[17:59] <cuddykid> should get the random number generator going again and send him back an even bigger list with greater precision
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[17:59] <lz1dev> up to nanometers/
[17:59] <lz1dev> or planks
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[18:00] <daveake> plank seems appropriate
[18:00] <GMT> perhaps tell him that specific coloured poly boxes work better than others?
[18:01] <daveake> pink ftw
[18:01] <jonsowman> oh yes, that payload colour survey
[18:01] <jonsowman> that was fun
[18:01] <lz1dev> :D
[18:01] <GMT> I heard that tartan ones work best ...
[18:01] <chrisstubbs> "Gaffa tape grey"
[18:02] <jonsowman> has someone replied to tell CH not to spam individuals?
[18:02] <jonsowman> the list is bad enough
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[18:04] <daveake> Tartan? Grey? Nah, what you need is ... http://www.zootjunction.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Justin-beiber-Duck-Tape-Cello-Tape--389x250.jpg
[18:05] <jonsowman> good lord
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[18:05] <daveake> No I didn't go looking :p ... saw some when wandering around a Walmart last year
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[18:06] <daveake> I bought 10 rolls would you like some?
[18:06] <daveake> </lie_mode>
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[18:09] <GMT> it was 9 rolls, wasn't it!
[18:09] <cuddykid> reply to CH - "One interesting observation I recently made was that the addition of JB duck tape led to a sharp increase in internal temperature. Subsequently, after testing, I found that it is a superb insulator - something you should advise others to try"
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[18:10] <GMT> use the JB duck-tape, might get hoardes of screaming girlies searching for it after landing; might help, might not.
[18:12] <daveake> High Altitude Bieber?
[18:12] <daveake> I've clearly thought about this too much already :p
[18:13] <jonsowman> http://imgur.com/gallery/nescF
[18:13] <jonsowman> brrbrrrrbrrr
[18:13] <daveake> hah
[18:14] <SP9UOB_Tom> http://sp9uob.verox.pl/sputnik-2/small-IMG_0029.JPG
[18:14] <SP9UOB_Tom> sputnik-2 ;-)
[18:14] <daveake> Not round enough :)
[18:15] <chrisstubbs> is that home etched?
[18:15] <fsphil> hah
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[18:15] <fsphil> that or Hackvana's value range
[18:15] <SP9UOB_Tom> daveake: heheh :-) http://sp9uob.verox.pl/sputnik-2/small-IMG_0024.JPG
[18:15] <chrisstubbs> haha, looks great!
[18:15] <SP9UOB_Tom> http://sp9uob.verox.pl/sputnik-2/small-IMG_0026.JPG
[18:16] <SP9UOB_Tom> this tima i dont plan GPS failure ;-)
[18:16] <SP9UOB_Tom> time
[18:16] <chrisstubbs> makes me feel sad about how big my payload is and how little it does!
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[18:17] <SP9UOB_Tom> chrisstubbs: ;-) dont be sad ;-)
[18:18] <chrisstubbs> Im happy it works though
[18:18] <SP9UOB_Tom> it also has APRS code
[18:18] <chrisstubbs> spoke to BOC earlier about hydrogen regulators etc
[18:18] <chrisstubbs> £250
[18:18] <SP9UOB_Tom> just need HX-1 and step-up to 5V
[18:18] <chrisstubbs> im flying helium :P
[18:18] <cuddykid> chrisstubbs: :O
[18:18] <cuddykid> I was under the impression they were ~ £150
[18:18] <chrisstubbs> i thought hydrogen was supposed to be cheap!
[18:19] <cuddykid> it's on my "to buy" list :)
[18:19] <fsphil> it will save you money after a couple of flights
[18:19] <cuddykid> along with a lot of other equipment.. lol
[18:19] <fsphil> basically pays for itself
[18:19] <chrisstubbs> the guy didnt like my idea of taping a bit of garden hose to the outlet
[18:19] <daveake> ISTR £150 or so
[18:19] <chrisstubbs> reg: £186, hose: £50, flashback arrestor: £30
[18:20] <daveake> You don't need the arrestor
[18:20] <cuddykid> ah, you can get the hose off amazon right? and you don't need a flashback
[18:20] <daveake> And yeah hose from Amazon
[18:20] <chrisstubbs> i didnt think i needed the regulator
[18:20] <chrisstubbs> just open the valve into the balloon, right?
[18:20] <daveake> That's the one thing you really need
[18:20] <cuddykid> lol, explosion time
[18:20] <chrisstubbs> has anybody used balloonhelium.co.uk?
[18:21] <cuddykid> yup
[18:21] <daveake> high-pressure H2 ... rather you than me
[18:21] <daveake> yes loads of times
[18:21] <fsphil> that's where I got my last cylinder
[18:21] <chrisstubbs> they seemed the best choice to me!
[18:21] <cuddykid> not sure whether they're taking on new customers
[18:21] <daveake> Yeah cheapest i've found
[18:21] <fsphil> still expensive, but cheaper than BOC direct
[18:21] <chrisstubbs> what exactly do you do in terms of filling?
[18:21] <chrisstubbs> the girl on the phone told me it came with one of those silly universal fillers
[18:21] <cuddykid> hose pipe attached to reg
[18:21] <cuddykid> yeah, that's fine
[18:22] <cuddykid> hose pipe taped to that
[18:22] <chrisstubbs> ahhhh ok
[18:22] <chrisstubbs> and you just bend it to release the gas?
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[18:22] <fsphil> make sure to bring along some minions, one to hold the regulator opened
[18:22] <cuddykid> yeah
[18:22] <daveake> For helium, yeah tape. I also use polypropylene glue
[18:22] <chrisstubbs> ok cool
[18:22] <fsphil> and another to hold the balloon
[18:22] <chrisstubbs> what kinda size hose? i will knock up an adapter thing?
[18:22] <daveake> That said, now I have a He regulator I must get round to doing something more permanent
[18:22] <daveake> For He? Garden hose
[18:23] <chrisstubbs> sorted!
[18:23] <cuddykid> http://www.flickr.com/photos/acudworth/5897223158/in/set-72157626883514628/lightbox/
[18:23] <daveake> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:fill_tube
[18:23] <SP9UOB_Tom> . Put another way, it will just barely fit into the back seat of a Ford Taurus. Try not to get into any accidents when you have a tank full of high pressure hydrogen in your back seat. In the event of a serious traffic accident, you needn't worry about being injured. You will die.
[18:23] <SP9UOB_Tom> LOL
[18:23] <SP9UOB_Tom> http://www.eoss.org/pubs/faqloon.htm
[18:23] <chrisstubbs> one last question, got a 300g hwoyee balloon off http://randomaerospace.com What size is the neck?
[18:24] <daveake> dunno ... does Steve's site say?
[18:24] <chrisstubbs> hahah i read that earlier, been looking at my options all morning
[18:24] <daveake> Note: Hwoyee balloon neck diameter: 500g 6.4cm, 1000g 7.7cm, 1200, 1600 and 2000g 8.3cm.
[18:24] <SP9UOB_Tom> chrisstubbs: so be carefull :-)
[18:24] <daveake> So 6.4 or less
[18:24] <cuddykid> chrisstubbs: go to wickes or somewhere and get some piping and then tap hose to that
[18:24] <daveake> Just make a filler with 40mm waste pipe
[18:25] <chrisstubbs> yeah just found the link to ukhas! i will pick up some pipe and epoxy and make one up
[18:25] <daveake> Yeah I filled the gap with, erm, gap filler
[18:25] <chrisstubbs> then i think im ready for launch! *gasp*
[18:25] <daveake> messy stuff but works
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[18:26] <daveake> where you planning to launch from?
[18:26] <chrisstubbs> another good question
[18:26] <SP9UOB_Tom> chrisstubbs: You can also launch the cylinder, You just need a big hammer ;-)
[18:26] <chrisstubbs> whats the story on the site in cambridge? I read that you dont need to do a notam or tell the caa because they have a rolling permit?
[18:27] <chrisstubbs> dont laugh, seen that happen to a 300 bar dive cyliender before!
[18:27] <fsphil> I tend to just use a garden hose to fill balloons. wrapping the neck around the end of it, and some cable ties
[18:27] <SP9UOB_Tom> chrisstubbs: i saw flying acethylene cylinder
[18:29] <fsphil> eek
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[18:31] <Hiena> SP9UOB_Tom: Me too.
[18:32] <SP9UOB_Tom> they didint ask for NOTAM ;-)
[18:32] <fsphil> notime
[18:32] <SP9UOB_Tom> lol
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[18:36] <chrisstubbs> So should i contact the university to launch there?
[18:36] <chrisstubbs> or just find a field and fill out a CAA application form
[18:38] <priyesh> chrisstubbs: best talk to jonsowman / Randomskk / email http://www.cusf.co.uk/contact/
[18:39] <jonsowman> if you can get to Cambridge, we have a permanent launch site you're welcome to use
[18:39] <jonsowman> send us an email ^
[18:40] <chrisstubbs> Im in Essex, cambridge seems like the logical place to launch as it has local trackers and wont end up in the sea (i hope)
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[18:40] <jonsowman> we tend to avoid the sea pretty well
[18:41] <chrisstubbs> thats what i like to hear!
[18:41] <jonsowman> we have the predictor which I assume you've seen?
[18:41] <chrisstubbs> yeah I have had a good play with that
[18:41] <jonsowman> great
[18:42] <DrLuke> anybody in here got experience with using hydrogen instead of helium with balloons?
[18:42] <chrisstubbs> I would quite like to help out at a launch beforehand if anyone needs any help in the area?
[18:42] <DrLuke> do I have to ground myself and the gastank in order to prevent sparks?
[18:42] <DrLuke> or is it relatively uncritical
[18:42] <griffonbot> Received email: Tomasz Brol "[UKHAS] SPUTNIK-2 aka SP9UOB-4 launch, 27.01.2013 at 14:00 UTC"
[18:43] <jonsowman> chrisstubbs: we'll let you know -- not got anything planned right now but they do crop up
[18:44] <chrisstubbs> Ok, i have the launch calendar in my outlook now so im always keeping an eye out for things to track :)
[18:44] <chrisstubbs> cheers for the help, going to go grab some food now, BRB
[18:45] <jonsowman> no problem
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[19:30] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hi
[19:31] <OZ1SKY_Brian> any news about the blt-33?
[19:32] <x-f> it's probably on the ground
[19:32] <OZ1SKY_Brian> oh ok
[19:34] <OZ1SKY_Brian> x-f your in estonia right?
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[19:34] <fsphil> yea it appeared to be falling when it was last heard from
[19:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes i see, -1m/s
[19:35] <x-f> OZ1SKY_Brian, a country lower :)
[19:36] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok latvia then :-)
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[19:36] <x-f> yep
[19:37] <OZ1SKY_Brian> are there every any launches in latvia or around?
[19:37] <SP9UOB_Tom> OZ1SKY_Brian: 27.01 from Poland
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[19:38] <OZ1SKY_Brian> I think its abit too far from here to copy
[19:39] <x-f> yeah, Poland is the closest that has fairly regular schedule for launches - i'm hoping to do a launch some time in spring, but that's still under a question mark
[19:41] <mclane> spacenear again not reachable from Germany
[19:41] <OZ1SKY_Brian> do a tracert
[19:42] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SP9UOB_Tom Lotz is my limit from here
[19:42] <mclane> good idea, have to install it first
[19:42] <OZ1SKY_Brian> its a part of windows, if you use that
[19:43] <SP9UOB_Tom> Lotz ?
[19:43] <SP9UOB_Tom> Lodz ?
[19:43] <mclane> I am on Linux
[19:43] <fsphil> on unixy systems it'll be called "traceroute"
[19:43] <SP9UOB_Tom> or mtr
[19:43] <fsphil> yea, traceroute then
[19:43] <OZ1SKY_Brian> sorry Lodz
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[19:44] <SP9UOB_Tom> its about 150 km from my location
[19:44] <SP9UOB_Tom> not so far
[19:44] <OZ1SKY_Brian> what hight do you expect Tom ?
[19:44] <SP9UOB_Tom> OZ1SKY_Brian: ~26 km - its very small envelope
[19:44] <SP9UOB_Tom> im aiming to low ascend rate
[19:45] <OZ1SKY_Brian> At 26km i wount even get to Wroclaw
[19:45] <SP9UOB_Tom> OZ1SKY_Brian: so just try to listen :-)
[19:46] <mclane> ok I can trace back to the server
[19:46] <mclane> nevertheless, the page is not loading
[19:46] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SP9UOB_Tom yes we´ll see, my balloon odx in SP is to Lodz
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[19:47] <OZ1SKY_Brian> mclane no problem from Denmark
[19:47] <fsphil> working fine here too
[19:47] <fsphil> you might be having browser trouble
[19:48] <mclane> I had that more or less every second day during the last weeks
[19:48] <mclane> with different browsers (firefox, chrome)
[19:48] <mclane> Lunar_Lander seems to have the same issue
[19:48] <mclane> (also Germany)
[19:49] <fsphil> are you and lunar on the same ISP?
[19:49] <mclane> could be (I am with Deutsche Telekom)
[19:50] <SP9UOB_Tom> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=e4cfa030335987bf80e55aecbb4a4a10e61b9bc5
[19:50] <SP9UOB_Tom> for sunday
[19:51] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SP9UOB_Tom not a chance from here, by the look of it
[19:51] <OZ1SKY_Brian> at 40km altitude im getting Opole city in range
[19:52] <SP9UOB_Tom> OZ1SKY_Brian: about 80 km from my location
[19:52] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Gliwice is still outside the footprint at 40km altitude
[19:53] <OZ1SKY_Brian> So you need to do at least 42km altitude LOL
[19:53] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Or have the ballon go north west
[19:57] <SP9UOB_Tom> OZ1SKY_Brian: at spring and early summer winds goes NW,NNW
[19:57] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SP9UOB_Tom yes then i might have a chance to hear something
[19:57] <SP9UOB_Tom> OZ1SKY_Brian: also im planning to launch much bigger envelope
[19:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> your welcome to land it here
[19:58] <SP9UOB_Tom> ;-)
[19:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> James allmost did once with he´s pico :-)
[19:59] <OZ1SKY_Brian> we expect it landed of the danish west coast
[19:59] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Not far from OZ5AGJ
[20:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Tom your not in my log i see, thats not good :-)
[20:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 28 other SP9´s are though
[20:02] <fsphil> I meant to wire up my HF antenna again
[20:02] <fsphil> I must give psk31 a go tonight on the small attic one
[20:03] <fsphil> see if any of you can hear it
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[20:03] <OZ1SKY_Brian> My HF wire been pretty bad for a long time, but hardly every use it, im more+50MHz
[20:03] <fsphil> I only have 5 watts into it
[20:03] <fsphil> brb, doggie walk in the snow. I may be some time :)
[20:03] <SP9UOB_Tom> OZ1SKY_Brian: so? QSO ? 40m ?
[20:03] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Last time used it was for the SP 10meter ballon, but didnt hear it
[20:04] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SP9UOB_Tom i dont even think i can get it to tune on 40, ill try and see
[20:04] <SP9UOB_Tom> OZ1SKY_Brian: i have prepared 50 MHz 500 MW transmitter and working on 30m PSK31 :-)
[20:05] <x-f> fsphil, you're really enjoying the snow, eh? :)
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[20:05] <SP9UOB_Tom> mW ofcoz
[20:05] <fsphil> I do love it :)
[20:05] <SP9UOB_Tom> OZ1SKY_Brian: 7.0105 LSB
[20:06] <x-f> fsphil, are you a Calvin & Hobbes' fan, too?
[20:06] <OZ1SKY_Brian> you mean 7105?
[20:06] <SP9UOB_Tom> 7105kHz
[20:06] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok
[20:07] <KT5TK_QRL> Is 7.105 MHz what is used for PSK31 in Europe?
[20:07] <SP9UOB_Tom> OZ1SKY_Brian: anyway band looks closed by now
[20:07] <KT5TK_QRL> I was wondering
[20:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> called you
[20:07] <SP9UOB_Tom> KT5TK_QRL: no, we try to do SSB QSO :-)
[20:08] <KT5TK_QRL> ah, sorry
[20:08] <SP9UOB_Tom> OZ1SKY_Brian: nothing
[20:08] <SP9UOB_Tom> and i called You
[20:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> swr is terriable
[20:08] <mclane> Hi Lunar_Lander - spacenear.us loading today at your place?
[20:09] <SP9UOB_Tom> OZ1SKY_Brian: try to sked on 20m in daytime
[20:09] <Lunar_Lander> one moment
[20:09] <Lunar_Lander> mclane, no
[20:09] <mclane> ok, then we have the same problem
[20:09] <OZ1SKY_Brian> try on another ant, but i gess not
[20:10] <mclane> what is your ISP? Telekom?
[20:10] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[20:10] <SP9UOB_Tom> KT5TK_QRL: 7038 kHz is PSK centre of activity here
[20:11] <mclane> Lunar_Lander, can you try a tracert?
[20:11] <Lunar_Lander> what is that exactly?
[20:11] <mclane> it traces the route through the internet from server to server
[20:11] <Lunar_Lander> ok
[20:12] <mclane> tracert = trace route
[20:12] <Lunar_Lander> what would I need to do?
[20:12] <KT5TK_QRL> 7038 kHz, yeah thanks. Then I wasn't too much off with 7.035 USB + 800 Hz
[20:12] <OZ1SKY_Brian> what IP are you directed to?
[20:12] <KT5TK_QRL> 7040 kHz is the qrp cw freq here
[20:12] <SP9UOB_Tom> OZ1SKY_Brian: try to listen at: 7039.179
[20:12] <mclane> (Windows command line)
[20:12] <SP9UOB_Tom> OZ1SKY_Brian: PSK31
[20:12] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 67.225.195.22 here in 13 hops
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[20:13] <Lunar_Lander> 67.225.195.22
[20:13] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SP9UOB_Tom one moment, need to connect some cables then
[20:13] <SP9UOB_Tom> ok
[20:13] <Lunar_Lander> mclane, does it work on linux too?
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[20:13] <mclane> OZ1SKY_Brian: host.elyxa.com (67.225.195.22)
[20:14] <Lunar_Lander> that's the one
[20:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes
[20:14] <mclane> Lunar_Lander for linux it is traceroute
[20:14] <Lunar_Lander> ok
[20:14] <Lunar_Lander> so traceroute "IP" ?
[20:14] <mclane> yes
[20:14] <mattbrejza> or tracert spacenear.us
[20:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SP9UOB_Tom ok, bpsk?
[20:15] <SP9UOB_Tom> OZ1SKY_Brian: bpsk, 7039.049
[20:15] <Lunar_Lander> ah have to install traceroute first
[20:15] <SP9UOB_Tom> OZ1SKY OZ1SKY OZ1SKY OZ1SKY OZ1SKY OZ1SKY OZ1SKY de SP9UOB SP9UOB SP9UOB SP9UOB SP9UOB SP9UOB SP9UOB SP9UOB
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[20:16] <mclane> for me it takes 17 hops
[20:17] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SP9UOB_Tom hmm im not used to this mode, i see alot of signals
[20:17] <SP9UOB_Tom> tune dial to: 7038
[20:17] <OZ1SKY_Brian> lets go PM with this Tom
[20:17] <SP9UOB_Tom> LSB
[20:17] <Lunar_Lander> mclane, one moment
[20:18] <Lunar_Lander> can it be that it takes a moment?
[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> 21 hops
[20:19] <mclane> for me it takes 10-20 secs
[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> 14 here
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[20:20] Nick change: Upu -> UpuWork
[20:20] Nick change: Upu2 -> Upu
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[20:21] <mclane> ping time around 140 ms; but 65 % packet loss!
[20:23] <OZ1SKY_Brian> thats alotr
[20:23] <OZ1SKY_Brian> alot
[20:23] <SP9UOB_Tom> Lunar_Lander: change Your ISP :-) http://www.speedtest.net/result/2452660287.png
[20:23] <fsphil> x-f: never read it
[20:23] <OZ1SKY_Brian> no packet loss from here
[20:24] <OZ1SKY_Brian> avg also about 140ms but 0% loss
[20:26] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:26] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[20:26] <mclane> ok, its loading on my mobile phone
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[20:27] <mclane> is there something like traceroute for android?
[20:27] <BrainDamage> install busybox
[20:28] <BrainDamage> you'll get most of basic unix tools
[20:28] <BrainDamage> you can get a console with android terminal emulator
[20:28] <mfa298> mclane: i think its possible to use connectbot to connect to get a shell on the device
[20:29] <fsphil> turns out snow is cold
[20:30] <mfa298> hmmm, connectbot route might fail, doesn't look like traceroute is installed on my android phone (or at least not in the path)
[20:31] <mclane> have found something called "fing" which can do traceroute
[20:32] <mclane> and ping and some other stuff
[20:32] <fsphil> sounds like they didn't know what to call that program
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[20:36] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:37] <SP9UOB_Tom> FO-29 is risibng
[20:37] <SP9UOB_Tom> sorry
[20:39] <mclane> the problem seems to be the internet connection on the server side
[20:39] <mclane> I can ping up to the last server before spacenear without packet loss
[20:39] <fsphil> might be worth asking natrium42 to take a look
[20:40] <mclane> anything special with spacenear? ipv6?
[20:40] <fsphil> it doesn't use ipv6
[20:40] <fsphil> at least the dns name does not provide an ipv6 address
[20:41] <fsphil> does your ISP provide IPv6?
[20:41] <mfa298> ping isn't always accurate as routers often handle it in cpu rather than asic so it can give different results to what normal packets do.
[20:43] <mclane> if I want to I might be able to get it, yes
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[20:44] <griffonbot> Received email: mrbud1972@live.co.uk "Re: [UKHAS] gadget show 'edge of space'"
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[20:52] <chrisg7ogx> is there a UK balloon launch tomorrow please?
[20:52] <OZ1SKY_Brian> what channel for the gadget show, 5?
[20:53] <mfa298> chrisg7ogx: are you on the mailing list as that's likely to have the most recent info about upcoming launches
[20:53] <number10> yes chrisg7ogx : its on the mailing list
[20:54] <chrisg7ogx> ok tks eveyone stay warm..
[20:54] <fsphil> if only you'd told me earlier
[20:54] <fsphil> I went outside
[20:54] <fsphil> and snow is COLD
[20:55] <SP9UOB_Tom> fsphil: you are kidding, right?
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[20:56] <SP9UOB_Tom> we have -5.6 now -> http://aprs.fi/weather/a/SP9UOB-4
[20:56] <fsphil> oooh nice
[20:57] <fsphil> feels about -1 outside here
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[20:59] <mattbrejza> chrisg7ogx: there is a calendar of hab launches
[21:00] <mattbrejza> http://habitat.habhub.org/ mid right
[21:03] <griffonbot> Received email: Mike Willis "Re: [UKHAS] gadget show 'edge of space'"
[21:03] <chrisg7ogx> thanks appreciated
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[21:03] <cuddykid> was this another gadget show launch?
[21:04] <cuddykid> thought they did one not long ago
[21:05] <daveake> same
[21:06] <daveake> a "best of" type of show
[21:07] <cuddykid> ah
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[21:24] <chrisg7ogx> ical installed with balloon calendar thanks everyone
[21:25] <chrisg7ogx> saw tail end of prog with kate humble as they recovered shredded balloon with camera aboard
[21:25] <fsphil> kate humble?
[21:27] <mattbrejza> yday on bbc2, repeat, done in usa i think
[21:27] <mattbrejza> yday could also be as far back as friday
[21:29] <chrisg7ogx> prog abt stratosphere and how important it is to us. bear with me wife was talking in the same room!
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[21:32] <daveake> Yeah it's in iplayer. Search for "orbit"
[21:32] <daveake> Launch was in California
[21:33] <fsphil> I missed that
[21:33] <daveake> iPlayer is your friend
[21:33] <daveake> It'll be on fir a few more days
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[21:36] <SP9UOB_Tom> could someone approve my flight: d67f32fb366c51c86a31406920569e60 please ?
[21:36] <fsphil> nice launch location
[21:36] <mattbrejza> Randomskk: DanielRichman danielsaul ^
[21:36] <SP9UOB_Tom> fsphil: my garage :-)
[21:37] <fsphil> hehe, aprs.fi on the telly
[21:37] <chrisstubbs> Right, been building this for the last few hours. Dont ask why, it seemed like a good idea at the time....
[21:37] <chrisstubbs> http://chris-stubbs.co.uk/extras/maps/alt/openxml.php
[21:38] <chrisstubbs> it searches a radius around the coords you put in, to find the highest (best) place to track when you are mobile
[21:38] <Randomskk> interesting search technique
[21:38] <chrisstubbs> yeah, i hate optimisation :P
[21:38] <Randomskk> cool app though
[21:38] <Randomskk> chrisstubbs: it seems like gradient ascent would actually totally work
[21:39] <Randomskk> it's literally gradient ascent
[21:39] <Randomskk> the most fitting optimisation technique name ever
[21:40] <fsphil> that wasn't bad
[21:40] <chrisstubbs> Just googled gradient ascent
[21:40] <fsphil> no SPACE!!1 claims
[21:41] <chrisstubbs> my brain is so dead from working the google API i cant read...
[21:41] <chrisstubbs> fsphil ?
[21:42] <fsphil> the BBC Orbit program
[21:42] <fsphil> they did a balloon launch
[21:42] <mattbrejza> watch a richard hammond lauch and cry
[21:42] <fsphil> and didn't make silly claims about it being in space
[21:42] <mattbrejza> +n
[21:42] <fsphil> I did :(
[21:42] <fsphil> this one made me feel better
[21:42] <chrisstubbs> haha i will give it a watch now!
[21:42] <fsphil> my own launch with the BBC had hammond-like claims
[21:43] <chrisstubbs> time to close DreamRuiner
[21:43] <chrisstubbs> i dread to think how long it took to code that predictor, its insane!
[21:43] <fsphil> next one I do I'm gonna ask them to be more accurate when reporting it
[21:43] <Randomskk> chrisstubbs: haha
[21:43] <fsphil> I think coding it has probably left a few people insane
[21:44] <Randomskk> looking at the code without welding goggles is enough to drive you insane
[21:44] <mattbrejza> its bad enough trying to install it
[21:44] <Randomskk> actually DanielRichman did a review of the predictor core code the other day
[21:44] <Randomskk> he seems unscathed
[21:44] <Randomskk> possibly a reflection on him rather than the code
[21:44] <fsphil> can you be sure?
[21:44] <chrisg7ogx> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00xztbr "orbit earth's extraordinary journey"
[21:44] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: I don't know, can we? :P
[21:45] <chrisstubbs> "Sending an action camera into space" Looks like you missed that one fsphil
[21:46] <fsphil> noooo
[21:46] <fsphil> I can forgive one slip
[21:46] <chrisstubbs> like 50 seconds in
[21:47] <chrisstubbs> I had a mess about with sending SSTV over some walkie talkies earlier, interested to have a go with SSDV
[21:47] <chrisstubbs> didnt find much online about it though code wise
[21:47] <fsphil> there's not a huge amount of documentation at the moment
[21:47] <fsphil> it's mostly just code, and asking me stuff :)
[21:48] <eroomde> yo yo
[21:49] <fsphil> hiya eroomde.us
[21:49] <eroomde> indeed
[21:49] <eroomde> added a few pics
[21:49] <eroomde> http://www.flickr.com/photos/eroomde
[21:50] <eroomde> feet a bit sore, just totted it up and have covered over 20km of manhatten on foot today
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> mclane, I got one more idea
[21:50] <eroomde> just wondering down fifth and to the financial district then up the west side almost to harlem, then back to times square
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> I could try to access spacenear via the university VPN
[21:50] <eroomde> inclduing mandatory-necessary trip up the empire state building
[21:51] <fsphil> your poor feet
[21:52] <mclane> Lunar_Lander - yes, try it
[21:52] <eroomde> mmm
[21:52] <eroomde> not mega impressed with the new york natural history museum
[21:53] <eroomde> would lose a fight against london's.
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[21:53] <chrisstubbs> Looks like jason bradbury needed my high point finder :P
[21:54] <mclane> Lunar_Lander: I managed to get through with my mobile phone
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> and I via the uni net
[21:54] <arko> eroomde: sup dude
[21:55] <eroomde> yo arko
[21:55] <eroomde> how are things?
[21:55] <arko> freakin awesome
[21:55] <arko> http://www.flickr.com/photos/arkorobotics/
[21:55] <arko> went to the science center yesterday to see the shuttle
[21:55] <arko> when you get here we are sooo going
[21:55] <eroomde> i nearly saw Enterprise
[21:55] <arko> oh yeah!
[21:55] <arko> shit
[21:55] <arko> i forgot ny has one too!
[21:55] <eroomde> but they had it closed to repair hurricane sandy damage
[21:55] <eroomde> annoyingly
[21:55] <arko> haha
[21:55] <arko> aww
[21:55] <arko> :(
[21:56] <eroomde> but they also had a concorde and an sr-71 so i wasn't too upset
[21:56] <arko> damn you saw ground 0
[21:56] <eroomde> yep
[21:56] <arko> that must have been depressing
[21:56] <arko> nice sr-71
[21:56] <eroomde> it is a bit hole so yep, literally and metphorically
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[21:56] <eroomde> also i don;t think i;ve been through so many metal detectors in one day before
[21:56] <arko> :(
[21:56] <eroomde> this place seems to have a thing for metal detectors
[21:56] <arko> where?
[21:56] <eroomde> NY
[21:56] <arko> oh
[21:57] <eroomde> empire state, 9/11 memorial, intrepid mesuem, somewhere else i forget
[21:57] <arko> yeah it's ny
[21:57] <eroomde> all belts off and metal detectors
[21:57] <arko> police state like a mofo
[21:57] <eroomde> yeah
[21:57] <arko> get a cell yet?
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[21:59] <arko> btw, let me know if you want to see the shuttle here so i can get tickets
[21:59] <arko> they sell out a few days before
[21:59] <eroomde> ok willdo
[22:00] <eroomde> i need to plan all that now
[22:00] <arko> cool
[22:00] <eroomde> find a cheap place in pasadena
[22:00] <eroomde> actually i ahev an idea in that regard
[22:00] <arko> lol
[22:00] <eroomde> but yes will get on it
[22:01] <arko> coolio foolio
[22:02] <eroomde> -5C tomorrow says the forecast
[22:02] <eroomde> sigh
[22:02] <arko> ew
[22:02] <arko> it's like 26 here and clear skys
[22:02] <arko> nice cool breeze
[22:03] <arko> i forget how nice the weather is here :P
[22:03] <eroomde> you added me as a contact
[22:03] <eroomde> i'm touched
[22:03] <arko> yarp
[22:03] <arko> lol
[22:03] <arko> check off family
[22:03] <eroomde> ?
[22:03] <arko> jking
[22:04] <arko> flickr gives you an option when you make a contact
[22:04] <arko> friend, family, none
[22:05] <eroomde> ah right
[22:05] <eroomde> social web stuff is too complicated for me
[22:05] <eroomde> i just want somewhere to put photos
[22:05] <arko> seriously
[22:05] <arko> i hate this crap
[22:05] <arko> i remember having flickr pro before yahoo
[22:06] <arko> thankfully they haven't completely screwed it over
[22:06] <eroomde> yeah
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[22:06] <eroomde> tomorrow i'm going to hit the guggenheim and the frick collection and other upper east side stuff
[22:06] <eroomde> then make the big pilgrimage to Katz
[22:07] <eroomde> for a pastrami sandwich
[22:07] <eroomde> then maybe walk across queensborough bridge and eat it on this picnic bench http://www.filmposters.it/imgposter/grandi/manhattan.jpg
[22:08] <arko> nice!
[22:08] <eroomde> this two pilgrimage things combined into one event
[22:08] <eroomde> then might go for dinner with some family friends who are in greenwich village
[22:08] <eroomde> should be good
[22:08] <arko> nice :)
[22:09] <eroomde> i might try the metro for the trip from upper east to lower east. not sure feet want to do another 10k
[22:11] <arko> heh
[22:11] <arko> man, they must have nice public transport in ny
[22:11] <eroomde> i haven't used it yet
[22:11] <eroomde> tomorrow will be the first time i brave the metro
[22:11] <arko> lol
[22:11] <arko> have fun
[22:11] <arko> the crazy people will yell at you
[22:12] <arko> dont make eye contact
[22:12] <arko> you should be fine
[22:12] <eroomde> yeah, i hear it's sort of different to the london underground
[22:12] <eroomde> where that's like the defualt mode of transport for everyone
[22:12] <arko> right
[22:12] <arko> and it's dirty
[22:13] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Aerospace "Re: [UKHAS] gadget show 'edge of space'"
[22:15] <eroomde> well, it'll be a learning experience if nothing else
[22:15] <arko> :P
[22:15] <arko> you'll be fine
[22:16] <eroomde> i shall use the 'orange' line
[22:16] <eroomde> that goes from the rockerfeller centre down south the into lower east
[22:16] <eroomde> do the lines have names?
[22:16] <eroomde> or are they just colours?
[22:16] <arko> colors
[22:16] <arko> usually
[22:16] <arko> people aren't too sharp, so they color code
[22:17] <eroomde> ok
[22:17] <OZ1SKY_Brian> gn all
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[22:17] <eroomde> and the letters attached to them - they just speciify which subroute the go on if a given colour has forks in the line?
[22:17] <SP9UOB_Tom> night all
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[22:18] <arko> not exactly sure
[22:18] <eroomde> not to worry will figure it out
[22:19] <eroomde> can't be too hard
[22:19] <arko> exactly, if the crazy people can figure it out, im sure a rocket engineer can :P
[22:21] <arko> time to find food, i forgot to eat lunch :/
[22:21] <eroomde> lol
[22:21] <eroomde> catch you later
[22:21] <arko> just realized you will be awake when i am
[22:21] <DanielRichman> Randomskk: nope.
[22:21] <arko> rather than you being online till noon and after midnight
[22:21] <arko> heh
[22:22] <arko> later dude
[22:22] <eroomde> yes i will be!
[22:22] <eroomde> though will go out about 7, eat and rink a bit, then crash to bed
[22:22] <eroomde> drink*
[22:22] <arko> i wouldn't recommend anything different
[22:22] <arko> cheer
[22:22] <arko> s
[22:24] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: :D
[22:24] <eroomde> thanks arko :)
[22:24] <eroomde> also last night i had a big steak
[22:24] <eroomde> and it was like 9pm
[22:24] <eroomde> which is 2am in my body clock
[22:24] <eroomde> and i went for the prix-fixe 3 course thing
[22:24] <fsphil> yikes
[22:24] <eroomde> and 3 courses in america, i now realise, is 2 more than is necessary to make you full to the point of feeling ill
[22:25] <eroomde> so basically i was totally groaning with food, a few glasses of wine, and my body thought it was about 3am
[22:25] <eroomde> so i basically did just completely pass out the second i got back to the hotel
[22:26] <nigelvh> 'MERIKUH!
[22:27] <eroomde> it was lovely steak though
[22:27] <eroomde> and a very friendly waitress who was very keen i tried everything
[22:27] <eroomde> i guess 20% of a lot is more than 20% of a bit
[22:27] <eroomde> from a tip pov
[22:29] <Randomskk> and yet I still feel happier giving a 20%-of-a-lot tip to a really friendly waitstaff than a 20%-of-a-bit to someone grumpy :P
[22:30] <Randomskk> everybody wins?
[22:30] <Randomskk> especially these cookies. these are going to be GLORIOUS.
[22:30] <fsphil> I'm horrible with tips
[22:30] <eroomde> yes true
[22:30] <Randomskk> never buying chocolate chips again
[22:30] <eroomde> i had a great surprise early lunch
[22:30] <eroomde> somewhere called westville which will now google
[22:30] <eroomde> on hudson st
[22:30] <fsphil> I've heard that chocolate bars in the US are a bit dry compared to the EU ones
[22:30] <eroomde> just a nice bloke who gave me steak and eggs and mushrooms and hash
[22:30] <eroomde> and a couple of sierra nevada beers
[22:30] <eroomde> and there were kids everywhere
[22:30] <Darkside> hash browns i guess
[22:31] <eroomde> i think it was manhatten's prenzlaurberg or chicwick
[22:31] <nigelvh> I dunno about your chocolate, but definitely a hershey bar isn't going to compare.
[22:31] <eroomde> but it had a good local-place vibe and lots of nice brunchy lunches, and a whole array of really temping vegetable sides
[22:33] <eroomde> there's apparently a really good beer bar (suprisingly hard to find in this city) just on the next block which i'm gonna try for dinner tonight
[22:33] <eroomde> House of Brews
[22:34] <eroomde> they do insist on naming everything in a way that sounds unpromising
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[22:35] <fsphil> how's the accents .. people understanding you, and you them?
[22:35] <Randomskk> are girls just jumping on you when you speak? I hear that's how it works.
[22:36] <Laurenceb_> what is girl?
[22:36] <eroomde> last night at the steak place, my lady waitress said
[22:36] <Randomskk> as opposed to your gentleman wait*ress*? :P
[22:36] <eroomde> [interrupting me] 'i gotta tell ya - I just looove new zealand!' [expectant smile]
[22:37] <fsphil> nice
[22:37] <eroomde> me: "oh... splendid"
[22:37] <Darkside> hahahaha
[22:37] <eroomde> "are you from the south island or the north?"
[22:37] <Laurenceb_> wait... so the metro is kind of like irc?
[22:37] <eroomde> "I'm terribly sorry, I'm english"
[22:37] <eroomde> how can people think my accent isn't english?
[22:37] <eroomde> it's very english
[22:37] <fsphil> it is
[22:38] <nigelvh> We're americans
[22:38] <eroomde> people comment that i sound the english end of english
[22:38] <nigelvh> They all sound the same.
[22:38] <eroomde> but yes i did get some interest earlier for my accent
[22:38] <eroomde> and a photography guy on the high line who i got chatting too told me i looked like ewan macgregor
[22:38] <Darkside> hmm
[22:38] <eroomde> which is the 2nd time in 5 years someone has said that
[22:38] <Darkside> now that you mention it
[22:38] <eroomde> so i conclude no
[22:39] <fsphil> well maybe
[22:39] <Darkside> you kind of do
[22:39] <eroomde> maybe ewan macgregor + eating well
[22:39] <eroomde> maybe
[22:39] <Darkside> yeah
[22:39] <Darkside> thats a good way of puttin git
[22:39] <eroomde> the sign of a good life
[22:39] <fsphil> I need to get rid of my signs of good life
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[22:40] <fsphil> at least get them down to signs of a tolerated life
[22:40] <eroomde> i was thinner about 3 years ago
[22:40] <eroomde> i've just been a lazy bum since then
[22:40] <eroomde> since i got into cooking
[22:40] <eroomde> that must be it
[22:41] <eroomde> this was 3 yrs ago, just about
[22:41] <eroomde> http://i.imgur.com/UpzwKNJ.jpg
[22:41] <fsphil> the trouble with cooking is that it's often followed by eating
[22:41] <eroomde> trouble?
[22:41] <fsphil> only if you cook too much
[22:41] <eroomde> i heard a funny joke last week?
[22:41] <eroomde> "How many oxford dons does it take to change a light bulb?"
[22:41] <fsphil> oh no, he put a question mark at the end of a statement!!
[22:42] <Randomskk> eroomde: "change?!"
[22:42] <eroomde> "Change, my dear boy?"
[22:42] <eroomde> yes
[22:42] <eroomde> lol
[22:42] <Randomskk> :D
[22:43] <eroomde> but anyway this photographer was good
[22:43] <eroomde> had a good chat
[22:43] <eroomde> fsphil: the high line is great
[22:44] <eroomde> really really like it
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[22:44] <eroomde> i'll definitely come back once they've extended it
[22:45] <fsphil> nice. I'll have to make sure I get to it if I'm ever that side of the pond
[22:45] <eroomde> highly recommend you do
[22:45] <eroomde> great walk
[22:46] <fsphil> it's one of those ideas that makes you wonder why nobody did it sooner
[22:47] <eroomde> yeah
[22:49] <chrisstubbs> night all
[22:50] <fsphil> g'nite chrisstubbs
[22:50] <fsphil> it's snowing quite a lot atm
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[22:50] <fsphil> the only way out of where I live is up a big hill
[22:50] <fsphil> be interesting to see if the car makes it in the morning :)
[22:51] <chrisstubbs> Good luck! I had the day off today :)
[22:51] <chrisstubbs> Anyway, bye
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[22:51] <fsphil> nice
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[22:52] <eroomde> NBC news
[22:53] <eroomde> 'up next - cars than can get over FIFTY miles per gallon - is that even possible?'
[22:53] <eroomde> 'murica
[22:53] <fsphil> lol
[22:55] <nigelvh> Yep
[22:55] <fsphil> my clio is suppose to be 45 mpg
[22:55] <fsphil> though it's 12 years old
[22:56] <nigelvh> My 2012 subaru gets about 27
[22:56] <gonzo__> my old triumph is good for 40-45mpg. Though that is older than 40yrs old
[22:56] <fsphil> the newer diesel clio is a claimed 88.3mpg
[22:57] <nigelvh> Granted there aren't a lot of diesel cars here in the US.
[22:58] <gonzo__> lots in uk. wonder what the % is these days.
[22:59] <fsphil> it used to be easy to tell, they had a distinctive engine noise
[22:59] <fsphil> the newer ones not so much
[23:00] <nigelvh> Yeah, diesel passenger vehicles just aren't marketed over here.
[23:00] <gonzo__> my first derv car was an olg range rover with a perkins derv from a dumper truck engine
[23:00] <nigelvh> Trucks sure, cars not so much.
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[23:01] <fsphil> I learned to drive in a diesel car, a Golf. it was very nice
[23:02] <nigelvh> Yeah, I grew up with gas cars (lots of subarus) and diesel trucks (Ford F350s)
[23:02] <gonzo__> the old range rover was still more like a dumper truck to drive
[23:03] <gonzo__> and had to be started by stuffing a burning rag up the air intake
[23:03] <fsphil> I've yet to drive a truck or a van
[23:03] <fsphil> hah
[23:03] <gonzo__> then started with a vile belch of soot
[23:03] <gonzo__> huge fun to start in tesco's car park
[23:04] <nigelvh> My family was/is into the power sports. Boats, snomobiles, motorcycles, throw in a camper and there's lots of need for a truck with a ton of power.
[23:04] <gonzo__> you in the US nigelvh?
[23:04] <nigelvh> Yeah
[23:04] <gonzo__> loads of power = V8 then
[23:04] <fsphil> Boats and airplanes are own my 'when I've made some money' list
[23:04] <gonzo__> as your petrol is free
[23:05] <nigelvh> Gas engines don't provide similar power as a turbo diesel
[23:06] <nigelvh> One of our trucks even has propane injection to add just a little extra kick to the turbo diesel.
[23:06] <gonzo__> most of the diesel engines we get here are pretty small and gutless
[23:06] <gonzo__> I used to run V8 petrol cars converter for propane
[23:06] <nigelvh> For those times when you need to tow 20,000lbs uphill at 80MPH
[23:06] <gonzo__> ran them for about 15yrs
[23:06] <eroomde> chicago is -12C
[23:06] <eroomde> sigh
[23:07] <fsphil> don't sigh, your breath might freeze to your face
[23:07] <gonzo__> eroomde, you in chicargo then?
[23:07] <eroomde> will be on sat
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[23:08] <gonzo__> pack the knitted wolly undies
[23:08] <eroomde> mmm
[23:09] <eroomde> actually my down jacket has been stellar
[23:09] <eroomde> was overheating today
[23:14] <eroomde> nigelvh: can you help me
[23:14] <eroomde> 'will call' in the context of tickets for events
[23:14] <eroomde> wtf is it
[23:14] <eroomde> it's not something i've ever come across in the uk
[23:15] <eroomde> does it just mean 'i will call'?
[23:15] <nigelvh> Will call is where you go pick up the ticket at the booth
[23:15] <eroomde> i.e. pick them up at the box office?
[23:15] <nigelvh> Yes
[23:15] <eroomde> if it does then that's aweful because they've turned it into a noun and death is too kind a punishment for when people do that
[23:15] <nigelvh> Welcome to uhmerikuh
[23:16] <fsphil> it's great, like?
[23:17] <eroomde> right
[23:17] <eroomde> booked a thing at carnegie hall
[23:17] <eroomde> nothing at the met and nothing at avery fischer that i particularly wanted to see
[23:17] <eroomde> but thought i should do one of the great new york concert venues while i was here
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[23:17] <eroomde> and radu lupu is doing schubert and debussey on thurs
[23:18] <eroomde> i like schubert, especially the impromtus which he's doing, i like debussey, especially the preludes, which he;s doing, and i like radu lupu
[23:18] <eroomde> so, well done lady fate
[23:18] <eroomde> you did well
[23:20] <eroomde> ARGH
[23:20] <eroomde> confirmation email
[23:20] <eroomde> i cannoy get a refund but i am unable to attend, i have the option 'to gift' my ticket back to carnegie
[23:21] <eroomde> the empire state is currently lit in red and green
[23:21] <eroomde> apparently in honor of martin luthor king
[23:22] <eroomde> i guess just turning all the lights off would be too subtle
[23:22] <Laurenceb_> epic monologues of irc
[23:22] <gonzo__> hehe
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[23:23] <gonzo__> poss he was a rastafarian?
[23:23] <eroomde> i don;t tweet, but if I did...
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[23:25] <eroomde> googling 'martin luther kind colors' is kind of like trying to spot planets around remote stars
[23:25] <eroomde> you can't see them directly because the star is like a million billions times brighter
[23:25] <eroomde> it's like that with the interpretation of the word 'color' in this google search
[23:26] <SpeedEvil> only in some wavelengths
[23:27] <eroomde> metaphor overstretched
[23:27] <gonzo__> doppler shift then?
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[23:28] <Randomskk> eroomde: wait, you just booked it but you can't attend? or if you couldn't attend that's your only option?
[23:28] <eroomde> no i can
[23:29] <Randomskk> oh good. sounds like a lot of fun
[23:29] <eroomde> the argh was because it was another example of that thing you would never catch me doing, verbifying nouns
[23:29] Action: fsphil sighs
[23:29] <Randomskk> right, I see
[23:29] <Randomskk> all nouns are verbs now
[23:29] <Randomskk> did no one memo you?
[23:30] <eroomde> at least it's not the other way round
[23:30] <eroomde> or if it is, i never got the invite to that launch party
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[23:30] <Randomskk> hehe
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[23:44] <eroomde> jam advert: "With a name like Smuckers, it has to be good"
[23:45] <eroomde> sounds a bit unpleseant to me, really
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