highaltitude.log.20130120

[00:13] <griffonbot> Received email: GMT "[UKHAS] Re: Listening into radio sondes"
[00:13] <griffonbot> Received email: "[UKHAS] Re: How thick is the polystyrene in your payload box?"
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[00:19] <Spoz> is Darkside around?
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[00:23] <griffonbot> Received email: Adam Greig "Re: [UKHAS] Re: How thick is the polystyrene in your payload box?"
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[00:25] <daveake> Lol
[00:25] <jonsowman> :D
[00:26] <eroomde> tonight a big success
[00:26] <eroomde> touch and go as dad doesn't like surprises
[00:26] <daveake> I really think the g/m^3 figure should be included in the stats
[00:26] <jonsowman> the "average of 15 samples per box" makes it
[00:27] <jonsowman> eroomde: what happened?
[00:27] <eroomde> when we first got to the savoy he said 'golly, it's not nearly as nice as it used to be. it's all black and white marble - like some sort of train station'
[00:27] <eroomde> jonsowman: surprise 60th for dad
[00:27] <daveake> And the colour.
[00:27] <Randomskk> well he didn't ask...
[00:27] <eroomde> so we went to the savoy grill restaurant
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[00:27] <daveake> I've gone pink
[00:27] <Randomskk> I'd be happy to genera^w fetch the rest of the data
[00:27] <eroomde> they played along very well 9sister had organised it meticulously in advance)
[00:28] <eroomde> they said 'oh, i'm afraid your tabale isn;t quite ready yet, we'll take you through to the bar to have a drink while you wait'
[00:28] <eroomde> and they led us through and around and left and right andf via a couple of staircases
[00:28] <eroomde> then said 'if you just wait through here we'll come and get you'
[00:29] <eroomde> well 'here' was a private dinging room with 20 of dad's best old friends from oxford and france wiating
[00:29] <eroomde> and he was genuinely surprised
[00:29] <eroomde> really genuinelly
[00:29] <daveake> Awe
[00:29] <eroomde> and we had a great 5hr meal
[00:29] <eroomde> http://i.imgur.com/P7sJ0du.jpg
[00:29] <eroomde> random photo
[00:29] <eroomde> i was on photo taking duty
[00:29] <jonsowman> eroomde: sounds amazing
[00:29] <Randomskk> that sounds great :D
[00:31] <eroomde> it took some effort
[00:31] <eroomde> infact we managed to find john ward, the chap pulling a face on the near left of that photo
[00:31] <eroomde> took about 3 weeks to track hime down
[00:31] <eroomde> but he said yes he'd come about 1 month agi
[00:33] <eroomde> then 3 days ago i got an email from dad saying 'we're trying to track down our old balliol chum john ward. we fear his cigarette and whisky habbit might have taken him - we've not heard anything of him for about 10 years, but he has a brother who is a nuclear research scientist at culham [where i work], or at least was about twenty years ago. do you think you might see if you can find contact details for him and see if he has any news of john?'
[00:33] <eroomde> i had to fob him off
[00:33] <eroomde> and him being at the dinner was a nice surprise
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[00:34] <Randomskk> eroomde: sounds like a massive success
[00:35] <eroomde> indeed, quite relieved
[00:35] <eroomde> dad is really not into hotels and surprises
[00:35] <eroomde> my 6' 9" godfather giving a speech
[00:35] <eroomde> http://i.imgur.com/ZHsGebf.jpg
[00:35] <eroomde> he's from ulter, fsphil
[00:35] <eroomde> ulster*
[00:36] <eroomde> not that that particularly bonds you
[00:36] <eroomde> but he speaks french with a collosally northern irish accent and did so tonight
[00:36] <eroomde> which was amusing
[00:36] <eroomde> he was a rower (dad rowed for oxford, most of the guys there were rowers)
[00:36] <eroomde> but yeah, his head was v close to the ceiling
[00:38] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re : [UKHAS] Listening into radio sondes"
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[00:39] <Randomskk> your dad went to oxford and you went to cambridge? how did he take that? :P
[00:40] <eroomde> less badly than my gran
[00:40] <Randomskk> hah, oh yea?
[00:40] <eroomde> french gran (dad's mum) had only heard of oxford and eton
[00:40] <eroomde> and therefore that was the only option for an education in england
[00:41] <eroomde> as far as she was concered
[00:41] <eroomde> that's what dad did
[00:41] <Randomskk> hard to please
[00:42] <eroomde> mmm
[00:42] <eroomde> gran had opinions
[00:42] <eroomde> in abundaence
[00:42] <eroomde> i had a shower just now
[00:43] <eroomde> my 2m x 2m marble walk-in shower has jets coming up from the floor
[00:43] <eroomde> it's quite a sensation
[00:43] <Randomskk> !
[00:43] <Randomskk> that's quite something
[00:43] <eroomde> i think i will specifiy luxury hotels on all business travel arrangements herein
[00:44] <Randomskk> it's the only way
[00:44] <eroomde> see how long it takes me to get fired
[00:46] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[00:47] <eroomde> but srsly, should have a ukhas conf at one of these places
[00:47] <eroomde> they're very nice
[00:48] <eroomde> view from other end of the table
[00:48] <eroomde> http://i.imgur.com/GWcqYI5.jpg
[00:48] <Randomskk> very swanky
[00:49] <eroomde> my sister reliably says that with her various connections she could get us a conference room for 50 for £1k
[00:49] <eroomde> which is what we paid this year for conference room + food, i undersdtand
[00:49] <eroomde> and that's calling in the bargains because she gives them so much custom from rich bankers
[00:49] <eroomde> so it's potentially a non-starter
[00:49] <eroomde> but it's probably worth asking anyway
[00:50] <Randomskk> haha I wonder what they'd say if we asked if we can solder there
[00:50] <eroomde> lunch could be burgundy and fillet steak
[00:50] <eroomde> well, they might be amenable
[00:50] <Randomskk> wow. yes please. we probably wouldn't get much done after lunch...
[00:51] <eroomde> it's the kind of place that will rp out the marble bath to put in a jacuzzi, if you want
[00:51] <Randomskk> did you see that thing on tv about the hotel for the olympics thing?
[00:51] <eroomde> clairidges?
[00:51] <Randomskk> a lot of vagueness in my sentence as I've only heard about it second hand but understand it did feature ripping out a bath to fit a jacuzzi
[00:51] <eroomde> claridges*
[00:51] <eroomde> yes, that;'s to what i was referring
[00:51] <eroomde> my sister dismisses claridges as fallen
[00:52] <Randomskk> haha
[00:52] <eroomde> and it's all about the corinthia (where i am now) and a dorchester nowadays
[00:52] <Randomskk> must be nice to be able to refer to that as fallen :P
[00:52] <eroomde> i sagely nod
[00:52] <Randomskk> indeed
[00:52] <eroomde> but they are good here
[00:52] <eroomde> lots of free fizz
[00:52] <eroomde> and happy birthday messages
[00:53] <eroomde> the manager came along to wish dad a happy 60th at lunch
[00:53] <eroomde> though he did say 'enjoy the big party this evening' which was a fauz pas as it was a surprise
[00:53] <eroomde> dad didn't pick up on it thankfully
[00:53] <eroomde> it must be interesting being my sister
[00:53] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[00:53] <eroomde> she's just my little sister
[00:53] <Randomskk> yea, wow.
[00:53] <eroomde> but she wields millions of pounds of custom for these places, so they fall over backwards
[00:54] <Randomskk> crazy money
[00:54] <eroomde> to be a baker
[00:54] <eroomde> banker*
[00:54] <eroomde> the road more travelled by
[00:55] <eroomde> Randomskk: fuck me that's a sarky email
[00:55] <eroomde> not even I would send that
[00:56] <Randomskk> snark? I found that list in one of the filing cabinets and we've been adding to it since
[00:56] <Randomskk> weird how normally distributed the readings are
[00:56] <eroomde> next to my pants?
[00:56] <Randomskk> yes, in the drawer labelled "ed's clothes"
[00:57] <eroomde> nice
[00:57] <Randomskk> it didn't actually say what it was precisely but I figured it was probably box thicknesses
[00:57] <eroomde> i hope they provided some inspiration
[00:57] <eroomde> right, it is bed tome for me. long day, and long day tomorrow
[00:57] <eroomde> day one of jet lag adjustment
[00:57] <Randomskk> enjoy your ridiculously comfortable bed
[00:57] <eroomde> i will
[00:57] <eroomde> once i've removed some of the 8 pillows
[00:57] <Randomskk> what a hardship
[00:57] <eroomde> it's a heated matress too
[00:58] <Randomskk> oh noo
[00:58] <eroomde> might get some room service
[00:58] <Randomskk> haha why not, at this point
[00:58] <Randomskk> it's only 1am
[00:58] <eroomde> beluga cavier, 30g, £178
[00:58] <Randomskk> maybe the kitchen could rustle you something up
[00:58] <eroomde> bottle of fizz to help it down maybe
[00:58] <Randomskk> put it on your tab
[00:58] <Randomskk> why of course sir
[00:58] <eroomde> it's £38 to get an english breakfast in your room
[00:58] <eroomde> ridic
[00:59] <Randomskk> hopefully a very tasty breakfast at those rates
[00:59] <Randomskk> still I imagine £38 is a small fraction of the per-night cost :P
[00:59] <eroomde> i'm stealing the drawere of gold monographed stationary
[00:59] <eroomde> i daren't ask
[00:59] <eroomde> well, actually i went on the web to see how much my room would cost
[00:59] <eroomde> £1550/night
[01:00] <Randomskk> phoar
[01:00] <eroomde> i simply don;t understand the world of finance
[01:00] <Randomskk> solid two orders of magnitude more than some places I've stayed
[01:00] <eroomde> and i'm v happy this is a freebie
[01:00] <Randomskk> indeed
[01:00] <eroomde> before i go to bed i must decide which of the toilets in this suite to have a poo
[01:01] <eroomde> i think the one in the main bathroom as the heated marble floor and heated loo seat add to the experience in a way that's difficult to describe with words
[01:01] <Randomskk> choices choices
[01:01] <Randomskk> heated loo seats are great
[01:01] <jarod> someone took his airport car home ... http://x264.nl/dump/vdn3-2013-01-20.jpg :P
[01:01] <Randomskk> I highly recommend
[01:02] <eroomde> Randomskk: i am hoping to buy a house this year
[01:02] <eroomde> heating bathroom floor will be high on the list of things
[01:02] <eroomde> sod heating everywhere else in the house
[01:02] <eroomde> just have a heated bathroom
[01:02] <Randomskk> you should also get a nest thermostat and look into PID control units for shower temperature
[01:02] <Randomskk> setting your desired temperature on the shower and having it just stick there is a wonderful thing
[01:02] <eroomde> mass flow will be the primary variable for me
[01:03] <eroomde> i want a power shower
[01:03] <eroomde> maybe not jets from the floor
[01:03] <eroomde> butsomething that pummels you into the floor would be nice
[01:03] <eroomde> the hot floor*
[01:03] <Randomskk> mass flow is important too of course but you can have both
[01:04] <Darkside> in australia the heating business would have to be reverse cycle
[01:04] <eroomde> can and shall
[01:04] <eroomde> right, bed time
[01:04] <Darkside> for those 45 degree days
[01:04] <eroomde> the dream will be over tomorrow
[01:04] <eroomde> travel in less luxurous surroundings
[01:04] <eroomde> but, travel
[01:04] <eroomde> greater than all other considerations
[01:05] <Randomskk> seeya
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[01:08] <eroomde> quite enjoying meing a crashing bore
[01:08] <eroomde> wondered why the bedsheets were so soft and smooth and shiny
[01:09] <eroomde> silk!
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[01:09] <eroomde> need this for new house
[01:46] <Spoz> hm cool, the altitude at my landing site yesterday was 410m
[01:46] <Spoz> the last packet we received reported 647m altitude
[01:46] <Spoz> and we were over 30km away
[01:47] <Spoz> considering the 50 baud transmission rate it was probably less than 200m above ground by the time it finished sending
[01:47] <Spoz> not bad for a 25mW transmitter
[02:00] <Darkside> hey Spoz
[02:00] <Darkside> how did it go?
[02:00] <jarod> Can anyone help me out? What waypoint does he say? http://x264.nl/dump/whatwaypoint.mp3
[02:02] <Darkside> roxette?
[02:03] <jarod> nop ... its this flight http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/n852fd
[02:04] <jarod> very hard to identify
[02:04] <Spoz> hey Darkside
[02:04] <Spoz> on the whole, it didnt go very well. but we did find it again
[02:04] <Darkside> ooh
[02:04] <Darkside> ok
[02:04] <Darkside> at least you found it
[02:05] <Darkside> how did the tracing go?
[02:05] <Darkside> i never saw anything on spacenesr.us
[02:05] <Spoz> yeah the mobile internet was just too bad out there
[02:05] <Spoz> didnt get a single packet uploaded unfortunately
[02:06] <Spoz> but we did track it, the digital modems worked solidly the entire time
[02:06] <Spoz> but the gps attached to them lost lock at 24km
[02:06] <Spoz> so then we packed that up and started chasing
[02:06] <Darkside> cool about the modems
[02:06] <Spoz> the analog dropped out at about 15km altitude, and then we picked it up again on the way down at 15km
[02:06] <Spoz> on the way down at 18km*
[02:06] <Darkside> dropped out?
[02:06] <Darkside> thats likely an antenna issue :P
[02:07] <Spoz> yeah, I think you were right about the dipole
[02:07] <Spoz> we had it mounted vertically on a car
[02:07] <Darkside> yeah
[02:07] <Darkside> thats not goign to work when itd above you
[02:07] <Spoz> so I think it just got too high
[02:07] <Spoz> yep
[02:07] <Darkside> i'm recommending the modems to a friend who is working on a project for the SA government
[02:07] <Darkside> as a replacement for some 900mhz data modems he's using
[02:07] <Spoz> yeah they did very well
[02:08] <Darkside> still, at 800mA
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[02:08] <Darkside> fuck thats a lot of current
[02:08] <Spoz> not a single packet error all the way up to 254km
[02:08] <Spoz> 24km
[02:08] <Darkside> how did it work on the way down though
[02:08] <Spoz> yeah, I never actually measured the draw on it
[02:08] <Darkside> how far away were you from it when you got the last packet
[02:08] <Spoz> I think it might be less if youre only transmitting a small amount of data
[02:08] <Darkside> datasheet says 5V 800mA
[02:08] <Spoz> because they dont get warm at all
[02:08] <Darkside> yeah
[02:08] <Darkside> it's be 800ma when transmitting
[02:09] <Spoz> um I have to work out how far we were, I'll do it now
[02:09] <Spoz> we had to unplug them when we went mobile
[02:09] <Spoz> inverter issue meant we could only run one at a time
[02:09] <Darkside> oh you had your helicals didnt you
[02:09] <Spoz> yeah
[02:09] <Darkside> yeah thats a bit.. bulky
[02:09] <Spoz> but they werent aligned properly most of the time
[02:09] <Spoz> we left them pointing straight up and the signal never dropped out so we didnt bother to move them
[02:09] <Darkside> they'd have a wide enough beam that it wouldn't matter
[02:10] <Darkside> and line of sight helps :-)
[02:10] <Darkside> i'd still go with the 434MHz RTTY stuff though..
[02:11] <Darkside> reduce weight, power consumption, and doesn't need as big antennas
[02:11] <Spoz> yeah I think so too
[02:12] <Spoz> 48km away
[02:12] <jarod> jesus found it: http://www.opennav.com/waypoint/UK/ROXAT
[02:12] <Spoz> so we unplugged them when it was 48km away and 24km up
[02:13] <Spoz> actually it kept going for another 15 mins or so after that
[02:13] <Spoz> the rtty did really well, we got out last packet from 30km away
[02:13] <Darkside> yeah 48 km away and 24 km up i'd expect it to work
[02:13] <Darkside> as thats line of sight
[02:13] <Spoz> it reported an altitude of 647m and the landing site was at 410m elevation
[02:13] <Spoz> yeah
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[02:14] <Spoz> the last point we received ended up right on a road, so we drove to it and picked up the signal again
[02:15] <Spoz> then we were able to use the yagi for direction finding
[02:15] <Spoz> the attenuator on the radio proved to be good enough
[02:15] <Spoz> found it about 100m off the road in a paddock, with about forty cows standing around looking at it
[02:16] <Spoz> as soon as I saw the cows I knew thats probably where it was but we used the yagi anyway :)
[02:16] <Darkside> heh
[02:16] <Spoz> it missed landing in a dam by about three metres
[02:16] <Darkside> but yeah, with 25mW and an antenna sitting on the ground, you shouldn't need much attenuaion
[02:16] <Spoz> yeah
[02:17] <Darkside> that being said...
[02:17] <Spoz> the antenna was all bent too
[02:17] <Darkside> the radio fox we've been using for our foxhunts in adelaide is 100mW
[02:17] <Darkside> and once you get withon 30m you *really* need an attenuator
[02:17] <Spoz> like it was folded right over near one of the ground plane wires
[02:17] <Darkside> ele you cann't find it
[02:17] <Darkside> yes
[02:17] <Darkside> that woudl help
[02:17] <Spoz> mm
[02:18] <Spoz> learning to use oziexplorer on the road proved a challenge
[02:18] <Spoz> spent 10 mins figuring out how to plot a waypoint
[02:18] <Spoz> we really need to come up with a way of mapping our location and the balloon location
[02:18] <Spoz> unfortunately my gps receiver doesnt work with oziexplorer for some reason
[02:19] <Darkside> getting gpses working on ozi is a bit weird
[02:19] <Darkside> but if it does NMEA at all, it should work
[02:19] <Spoz> yeah it does, and I can look at the com port and see the nmea sentences
[02:19] <Spoz> but ozi wont read it
[02:19] <Darkside> baud rate?
[02:19] <Spoz> 4800
[02:19] <Darkside> hrm
[02:19] <Darkside> odd
[02:19] <Spoz> yeah
[02:20] <Darkside> ok, i've gtg
[02:20] <Spoz> does it not do higher rates?
[02:20] <Darkside> sure it does
[02:20] <Darkside> you can set it
[02:20] <Spoz> ok me too, thanks for all your help over the past week, we probably wouldnt have recovered it without it
[02:20] <Spoz> I'll catch you again later
[02:32] <Hix> damn, i;m lost now, why does this http://pastebin.com/8xyp6z9J only return this HixHAB,0268*EA5A
[02:32] <Hix> HixHAB,0268*EA5A
[02:33] Last message repeated 2 time(s).
[02:33] <Hix> oops, sorry, only meant one line
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[03:10] <natrium42> omg, my next payload will be called "hizzab"
[03:10] <natrium42> something jay-z would call a payload
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[04:02] <arko> hahaha
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[07:07] <oh7lzb> http://aprs.fi/UMICH-1 might still be flying
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[08:10] <Upu> lol and Randomskk's response
[08:10] <Upu> and=at
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[08:44] <griffonbot> Received email: Frits PE2G "Re: [UKHAS] Listening into radio sondes"
[08:44] <griffonbot> Received email: Hemant Thakkar "[UKHAS] Re: Listening into radio sondes"
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[10:04] <fsphil> Huston, we have a payload
[10:05] <fsphil> KT5TK: when are you launching?
[10:05] <on4gb> did you see my site???: www.frapi.eu thank you
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[10:06] <lz1dev> wut
[10:06] <fsphil> that's ... odd
[10:07] <fsphil> oh it plays noises
[10:07] <lz1dev> what units is the light intensity
[10:07] <fsphil> lux?
[10:08] <lz1dev> ah i see
[10:08] <fsphil> very good
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[10:11] <cuddykid> hahahahahahah, what a brilliant reply Randomskk
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[10:12] <fsphil> it's about time someone got to the heart of these issues!
[10:12] <cuddykid> lol, so good
[10:13] <fsphil> I think my response would have to be, anywhere between 10mm and 100mm
[10:13] <Darkside> he must have picked random numbers
[10:14] <cuddykid> wonder if chris will cotton on, or actually believe him..
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[10:18] <mikcatta> Hi all, I am looking for any info on sending pictures (stills). Anyone able to help?
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[10:18] <lz1dev> "I'm so glad someone finally asked!"
[10:18] <lz1dev> haha
[10:18] <Hix> getting there: $$HixHAB,0004,0,0,0*B5C3 just need for lat,long,alt to not be 0 as they are declared to start with...
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[10:24] <daveake> mikcatta Have a look at http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:ssdv
[10:26] <daveake> Don't worry too much about the format details ... there's a program there to convert from jpg to the SSDV format, and you can use that as-is, or merge the source into your tracker code
[10:26] <mikcatta> Tnx daveake, what sort of cameras are generally used?
[10:27] <daveake> I use a cheap Logitech webcam
[10:27] <lz1dev> daveake: can you get the jpeg though serial?
[10:27] <daveake> You don't need anything with lots of pixels as we don't have the bandwidth to send large images
[10:27] <daveake> I use a USB webcam on the Pi; fsphil has used a serial camera
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[10:28] <lz1dev> ah, i see
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[10:28] <mikcatta> Brill, that gives me somewhere to start, 73 mike g4tvp
[10:28] <daveake> I think Phil would probably agree that the webcam gives better results
[10:29] <daveake> Also, as the Pi has SD storage, it's easy to take a few photos and then choose which to send
[10:29] <daveake> All I do is choose the largest jpeg, which for a simple solution works pretty well
[10:30] <daveake> Otherwise you end up sending overexposed pix of the sun!
[10:30] <lz1dev> :D
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[10:34] <fsphil> the risk with a USB webcam is certain models just don't handle the high contrast between a black sky and bright ground
[10:34] <daveake> yup
[10:41] <fsphil> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/news/mona-lisa.html
[10:41] <fsphil> "The complete image was transmitted at a data rate of about 300 bits per second. "
[10:42] <daveake> copycats
[10:42] <fsphil> hah, they used RS codes too
[10:43] <daveake> Hmmm I might re-send that from PIE4 :D
[10:43] <fsphil> they didn't seem to use compression
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[11:17] <eroomde> mornen
[11:18] <LazyLeopard> ello
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[11:18] <LazyLeopard> more snow here...
[11:18] <eroomde> snowing here too
[11:18] <eroomde> here is heathrow terminal 3
[11:18] <eroomde> where snow is A Bad Thing
[11:21] <cm13g09> eroomde: Snow is never a good things...
[11:21] <fsphil> Snow is WONDERFUL
[11:21] <fsphil> but I do admit, not so much in airport cases
[11:21] <jonsowman> snowing in cam as well
[11:21] <fsphil> but that's more heathrow being crap at dealing with snow
[11:21] <cuddykid> yeah, gatwick have managed to cope well (under their new management) - unlike heathrow
[11:22] <cm13g09> fsphil: true, but I think you can probably substitute heathrow with "the UK" in that sentence....
[11:22] <fsphil> lol yea
[11:22] <cm13g09> Southampton ground to a halt on Friday
[11:22] <cm13g09> at about 10AM
[11:22] <cuddykid> snow just missing us here (nottingham)
[11:22] <LazyLeopard> Managed to get my brother and family off back to Kenya yesterday from T5...
[11:22] <eroomde> it seems to be BA flights that are getting cancelled
[11:22] <cm13g09> (so after everyone was in work)
[11:22] <eroomde> virgin seems unaffected
[11:22] <eroomde> thankfully
[11:23] <cuddykid> eroomde: how was the meal?
[11:23] <eroomde> v good thanks cuddykid !
[11:23] <LazyLeopard> The short-haul flights seemed to be being cancelled en-masse yesterday.
[11:23] <eroomde> the surprise worked very well
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[11:23] <cuddykid> excellent
[11:23] <eroomde> dad genuinely had no idea
[11:24] <eroomde> the savoy played along nicely aswell
[11:24] <cuddykid> :)
[11:24] <eroomde> they took us through to their resturant and the maitre d' said 'oh i'm so sorry, you table isn;t ready yet, if you'll allow me to show you to the bar where you can have a drink while you wait'
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[11:25] <eroomde> and took is up some strairs and around the place and through some double doors into a big dinings room and 20 of dad's friend's
[11:25] <cuddykid> haha, that's fantastic!
[11:25] <eroomde> who all timed a big shout of surprise quite well
[11:25] <LazyLeopard> ;)
[11:25] <cuddykid> sounds like a very well executed surprise
[11:25] <eroomde> random photo
[11:25] <eroomde> http://i.imgur.com/P7sJ0du.jpg
[11:26] <eroomde> so yep it worked wel
[11:26] <fsphil> from the 1940s?
[11:26] <eroomde> stayed in a nice hotel last night, had some breakfast this morning, got a taxi to heathrow and here i am
[11:26] <eroomde> lol
[11:26] <eroomde> i am going through a phase of b+w-ifying eveything
[11:26] <cuddykid> eroomde: seen this reply to one of chris' posts? you'll love it: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/ukhas/IPLKE8Ix2L0/-jehWV_nDVwJ
[11:26] <Hix> MAX6 default baud is 9600 corect?
[11:27] <fsphil> Our own little surprise party worked well
[11:27] <Upu> yes
[11:27] <eroomde> yes it's outrageous
[11:27] <eroomde> not even I would send that
[11:27] <cuddykid> lol
[11:27] <fsphil> I got a number of ublox modules with a default baud of 19200
[11:27] <Upu> lol
[11:27] <Hix> hmmm, my string is working ok until i cnnect TX to pin 2 then it garbles everything
[11:27] <jonsowman> eroomde: haha, are you sure?
[11:28] <Hix> pin 2 disconnected "$$HixHAB,0009,0,0,0*5FC9"
[11:28] <jonsowman> Adam posted this very suspicious snippet in #habhub last night
[11:28] <jonsowman> sizes = 25.4 * (np.ones(24) + (np.random.randn(24) * 0.03))
[11:28] <eroomde> i have a sneaky suspicious they're normall distributed too
[11:28] <Upu> lol
[11:28] <cuddykid> haha
[11:29] <Hix> then connected "$$HixHAB,X0qEZq$dida,#VV0p" etc
[11:29] <Upu> are you using software serial Hix
[11:29] <Hix> for now yes.
[11:29] <Upu> there you go then
[11:29] <eroomde> ziz vas your first miztake
[11:29] <fsphil> that's it
[11:29] <Upu> software serial uses interupts
[11:29] <Upu> which cocks up the timing of your transmissions
[11:29] <Upu> you can
[11:29] <Hix> ahh, yes
[11:30] <Upu> turn the interupts off whilst transmitting
[11:30] <fsphil> or transmit using interrupts. but that's another story entirely :)
[11:30] <Upu> you could heed good advice and don't use software serial ever
[11:30] <Upu> or do debug via software serial
[11:30] <Hix> fogot, was using some TinyGPS sample code and forgot about the ss issue
[11:31] <fsphil> hmmm.. looks like we're getting lots of snow tomorrow
[11:31] <eroomde> software serial is ok so long as you're willing to actually make the whole thing interrupty.
[11:31] <eroomde> which sometimes requires dropping out of arduino land where the libraries do things behind the scenes without telling you
[11:31] <Upu> see sei() and cli()
[11:32] <Upu> just use cli to turn off before you transmit once the sentence is done use sei
[11:34] <Hix> I'm better off getting code to work on hw serial to save complications with something that is intrinsicaly flawed to start with
[11:36] <fsphil> software serial has its uses, but if you have the hardware uart available, then use it
[11:39] <Hix> hmm, got it on serial now and am back to the lat long alt still being passed as the initialized 0's
[11:39] <Hix> I'm missing something out somewhere
[11:44] <fsphil> did you take that code out of it's own function?
[11:45] <fsphil> -'
[11:47] <fsphil> eroomde: buzz aldrin is in the UK atm, heading home today. might be in heathrow :)
[11:48] <fsphil> oh it's also his birthday today
[11:50] <Hix> fsphil, which code? the dtostrf?
[11:51] <fsphil> Hix: the bit where you read the coordinates from tinygps
[11:52] <Hix> Ok, and where would i place it instead of in it's own function?
[11:53] <fsphil> just where you called that function
[11:53] <fsphil> saves you all the hastle of trying to pass back multiple arguments
[11:53] <fsphil> hassle*
[11:54] <fsphil> my no typing good today
[11:54] <Hix> hmmm, I'll try
[11:54] <Hix> :)
[11:55] <fsphil> better walk the mutt
[11:59] Action: cm13g09 has sunshine in Southampton :)
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[12:21] <Hix> not that I've got anywhere but the dtostrf thing, you have to specify a width and a precision. in so doing the string ends up with spaces in it to make the width of lat long etc. isn't this bad?
[12:21] <Hix> $$HixHAB,0019, 0.0000, 0.0000, 0.00*2E9D
[12:22] <Darkside> you can strip the spaces out
[12:22] <Darkside> i think i have a strip function somewhere
[12:23] <Darkside> http://pastebin.com/gRTbZDY1
[12:23] <Darkside> with that, just wrap the arguments to sprintf in trim()
[12:24] <Darkside> i.e. sprintf(buffer,"%s,%s",trim(string1),trim(string2))
[12:24] <Darkside> and it magics away the spaces
[12:24] <Hix> cheers Darkside
[12:25] <fsphil> you could simplify that function by just returning a pointer to the first non-whitespace character
[12:25] <Darkside> yeah
[12:25] <fsphil> or does it remove trailing white space too?
[12:25] <Darkside> i just copied it from somewhere
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[12:27] <fsphil> something like http://pastebin.com/ycHcSP3k
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[12:49] <fsphil> so very cold out there
[12:52] <cm13g09> fsphil: yes
[12:52] <cm13g09> somebody turned the air-con down
[12:52] <cm13g09> ;)
[12:57] <fsphil> meh
[12:58] Action: fsphil is having a lazy sunday, playing C64 games
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[13:35] <domlin> afternoon all
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[13:40] <chrisstubbs> Afternoon
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[14:43] <KT5TK> Leaving for launch location. Some payload pictures are here: http://tkrahn.dyndns.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=9206
[14:44] <KT5TK> Listen for PSK31 on 21.070 MHz. starting at 17:00 UTC
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[14:45] Nick change: soafee-chan -> spacekitteh
[14:45] <number10> hope it goes well KT5TK
[14:51] <cuddykid> found a cool domain, only problem is it's $56 a year! http://ada.mc (adam cudworth)
[14:52] <mattbrejza> cudworth.com? :P
[14:52] <cuddykid> taken
[14:53] <cuddykid> :(
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[15:00] <lz1dev> quick somebody buy it
[15:01] <griffonbot> Received email: chris hillcox "[UKHAS] Re: Listening into radio sondes"
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[15:14] <Randomskk> Darkside: "random numbers"?! I think not
[15:15] <mattbrejza> each of those numbers were carefully calculated and analysed by an advnaced computer program
[15:15] <fsphil> scandal!
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[16:03] <jcoxon> afternoon all
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[16:07] <number10> afternoon
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[16:10] <number10> jcoxon: Kt5TK is launching - PSK31 on 21.070 MHz. starting at 17:00 UTC
[16:13] <fsphil> might be worth a listen
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[16:14] <jcoxon> i'm on nights :-p
[16:14] <jcoxon> just woke up
[16:15] <jcoxon> ping KT5TK
[16:15] <number10> he has gone to launch site
[16:15] <jcoxon> it might be worth forwrding it to various lists inc. GPSL
[16:16] <x-f> KT5TK will transmit on 7 MHz at night - http://tkrahn.dyndns.org/
[16:16] <jcoxon> as i guess more listeners teh better
[16:24] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "[UKHAS] BLT-33 - Floater launch, PSK31 21.07080MHz and 7.03580 MHz
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[16:29] <jcoxon> i'll update the spacenear.us map
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[16:49] <NSS> Anyone here for the texas flight?
[16:50] Action: fsphil will be spectating
[16:50] <jcoxon> NSS, i think they are preping for launch
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[16:51] <NSS> the 15 meter freqs are bit confusing, it was a clear description on 40, but 15 is hmmmmm?
[17:03] <Dark3D> wish I would have seen this sooner, could have setup listening station here in AR.
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[17:19] <NSS> Anyone have a status up-date?
[17:25] <Dark3D> I'll have a station up in about an hour. doubtful I'll hear anything, but you never know.
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[17:28] <jcoxon> Dark3D, they are aiming for float so you've got some time
[17:28] <jcoxon> from the looks of it the payload hsan't been turned on yet
[17:29] <Dark3D> I'm assuming it will take off due East, but I haven't seen a predict on it
[17:30] <jcoxon> i suspect so
[17:33] <NSS> on 15 europeans are booming in here right now, so you all may hear it right away.
[17:33] <Upu> http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=11&call=a%2FKT5TK-11&timerange=3600&tail=3600
[17:33] <Upu> APRS is online
[17:37] <NSS> I still find it incredibly frustrating that balloon groups that launch balloons can't deignate someone to man the chat room during pre launch for up-dates. how hard it that to do?
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[17:41] <NSS> Once they get the HF running I should hear it a san antonio TX station is 20 over!
[17:43] <NSS> he's a little over 500 in the waterfall if any of you want to try to hear him,
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[17:51] <NSS> K5WH?
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[17:53] <NSS> Maybe Liftoff?
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[17:55] <Upu> I'd say thats up
[17:55] <Upu> from the APRS info
[17:55] <NSS> aprs shows that it's flying
[17:56] <Upu> not appearing on Spacenear.us though
[17:56] <Upu> I cleared the old positions down
[17:56] <Upu> oh
[17:56] <Upu> on Spacenear.us too
[17:56] <Upu> its up
[17:57] <NSS> can't hear it here on 15 tho, odd.
[17:57] <Upu> dang thats a slow ascent
[17:57] <Upu> fair to say thats going to float
[17:57] <NSS> has to be for floater mode with latex he he eh
[17:57] <NSS> no one has done it with a 1600 tat i know of yet.
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[18:02] <Upu> its been done quite a bit NSS
[18:02] <Upu> K6RPT and we've done a few over this side of the pond
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[18:04] <NSS> with the 1600's?
[18:04] <Upu> yep
[18:04] <Upu> they are the only one that float with fairly reproducable results
[18:05] <fsphil> I thought for a moment there Upu was talking to himself
[18:05] <Upu> afk cooking
[18:05] <NSS> I do not remember that. I remember 2000's huh? cool tho!
[18:05] <fsphil> Upu and NSS's nicks appear the same colour on weechat
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[18:06] <nigelvh> I can't seem to find a bar to adjust the height of the waterfall in dl-fldigi, am I being blind, or is there really not one?
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[18:07] <NSS> huh, I can re size it horizontally,,, but not vertically
[18:08] <NSS> the double arrows show up like it's set to drag, but it doesn't move
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[18:13] <K5WH> anyone receiving psk data yet ?
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[18:14] <nigelvh> Not up here in WA
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[18:15] <nigelvh> Assuming it's daytime in texas and so on 20m
[18:15] <fsphil> no new updates on the map either
[18:15] <fsphil> oh there it goes
[18:15] <jcoxon> i'm getting updates
[18:15] <fsphil> possibly my computer
[18:16] <Upu> APRS is all over the place
[18:16] <fsphil> thunderbird and firefox not behaving since the last update
[18:16] <nigelvh> The PSK might be easier to figure out if it were more frequent...
[18:16] <K5WH> it's only 25 miles from me, but no sigs yet here.
[18:17] <nigelvh> Hmm
[18:18] <jcoxon> i think they setup is for the long haul
[18:18] <fsphil> HF can be weird like that
[18:19] <nigelvh> Also considering they're barely off the ground.
[18:20] <nigelvh> I wonder where it's headed if it floats
[18:22] <K5WH> last one almost made it to Missippi.
[18:23] <fsphil> was that intentional?
[18:25] <K5WH> trying to go MUCH further East.
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[18:30] <SP9UOB_Tom> evening all
[18:30] <SP9UOB_Tom> is KT5TK= BLT-33 ?
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[18:30] <nigelvh> Yes, plus a few others.
[18:31] <SP9UOB_Tom> nigelvh: ok, tkanks. And PSK-31 beacon is working?
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[18:31] <nigelvh> I haven't seen it, but it is assumed so.
[18:31] <NSS> anyone know exact dil an waterfall freqs on 15?
[18:32] <Hix-Android> On a nearly dead phone but how do you counteract the need to disconnect serial when uploading new code to arduino? Thinking of linking it to server so i can test when not at home
[18:32] <SP9UOB_Tom> i have carrier on 21.071792 MHz
[18:33] <nigelvh> That's not it
[18:33] <Hix-Android> Is that why people use tinyavrusb
[18:33] <fsphil> yea programming with ISP frees up your uart
[18:34] <fsphil> the alternative is to get an arduino with more uarts
[18:34] <K5WH> getting psk data now..
[18:34] <Hix-Android> Ok seems like thats the way to go before ive got a board
[18:34] <W5HRH> No sigs here
[18:34] <NSS> Dial Freq, and waterfall freqs?
[18:35] <SP9UOB_Tom> also quiet here
[18:35] <nigelvh> No sigs here either. But I'm much farther away
[18:35] <nigelvh> Though not farther than SP9UOB
[18:35] <SP9UOB_Tom> My record is awaiting to be beaten ;-)
[18:35] <K5WH> 650
[18:35] <nigelvh> I've got my dial set at 21.069.500 USB and cursor set at 580Hz.
[18:35] <Hix-Android> Thanks fsphil
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[18:38] <fsphil> I'd like to have a listen but I don't fancy going outside to wire up the antenna :)
[18:39] <priyesh> HAB on BBC2 currently
[18:40] Action: SP9UOB_Tom have brand new, shiny IC-9100 :-)
[18:40] <daveake> ah yeah seen that one :)
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[18:43] <craag> nigelvh: Shouldn't it be 21.070.000 and then cursor at 800hz?
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[18:44] <nigelvh> Yes, it should. I read that wrong.
[18:44] <craag> No worries, took me a while to check :)
[18:44] <nigelvh> Though, my dial would put it at 1300
[18:44] <K5WH> I have 21.070 and 650
[18:46] <craag> K5WH: Are you receiving it currently?
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[18:46] <SP9UOB_Tom> K5WH: i put CQ on 1000kHz
[18:46] <K5WH> a while ago yes.
[18:47] <SP9UOB_Tom> K5WH: did You se me on Your watterfall ?
[18:48] <NSS> TOM CQ Again,
[18:48] <K5WH> sorry, was not looking.
[18:48] <SP9UOB_Tom> horizontal antenna now
[18:48] <K5WH> try again
[18:48] <SP9UOB_Tom> Vertical
[18:48] <SP9UOB_Tom> txing
[18:49] <SP9UOB_Tom> and horizontal again
[18:50] <SP9UOB_Tom> 21.071 MHz
[18:50] <NSS> Nothing at all in Wisconsin.
[18:50] <K5WH> sorry, don't see you here.
[18:50] <SP9UOB_Tom> NSS: we have night here, so propagation on 15m is poor
[18:51] <NSS> about 30 minutes ago EU was BOOMING in here, now dead.
[18:51] <NSS> what time should the next string happen?
[18:52] <jcoxon> we need a bot to remind next script
[18:52] <jcoxon> i mean we need a script bot to remind us for the next strings
[18:52] <NSS> something flashes he he he
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[18:53] <NSS> or the program goes on top regardless of the other windows that may be open at the moment.
[18:54] <fsphil> I do that sometimes in linux
[18:54] <fsphil> it's very handy
[18:54] <NSS> be back in a few.
[18:54] <jcoxon> well dl-fldigi does have a counter since last string rx'd
[18:55] <fsphil> gonna setup my HF antenna in the attic
[18:55] <Laurenceb_> wow this is one slow ascent
[18:56] <fsphil> probably not hear it, but I might hear SP9UOB_Tom :)
[18:57] <SP9UOB_Tom> fsphil: let me know when you've done
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[18:58] <K5WH> finaly back in..
[18:59] <craag> Shame about the pager transmitter on the dutch websdr.
[18:59] <K5WH> looks like it shifted slightly higher in freq on last data stream.
[18:59] <NSS> true, but if you havent gotten the first one and do not know what time the next one should be. Like are they ever two minutes on the even or odd and exctly/ or 15 seconds after the top of the minute etc.
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[18:59] <NSS> K5WH what dial freq? and where is it in the waterfall?
[19:00] <W5HRH> next string should be coming in 3 min?
[19:00] <K5WH> 14.070 680hz is what I have
[19:01] <K5WH> 21.070 sorry
[19:01] <NSS> I do not know, Thats why a group should have someone man the chat room to answer questions. UG!!
[19:01] <SP9UOB_Tom> K5WH: 14 ?
[19:01] <K5WH> 54 mins past the hour was the last one
[19:03] <K5WH> xmitting now
[19:04] <K5WH> very slightly over 700hz that last time, so it's creeping upwards.
[19:05] <jcoxon> NSS, they will once they get home probably
[19:05] <jcoxon> probably packing up
[19:06] <NSS> May be hearing something but W6 CQing is killing me right now.
[19:06] <SP9UOB_Tom> K5WH: crystal is cooling, it's smaller so freq goes up ;-)
[19:07] <mattbrejza> the crystal temperature - freq relationship is quadratic, with a maximum around 0-20C
[19:08] <W5HRH> map didn't update itself
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[19:09] <bertrik> craag: 169.650 or thereabouts you mean?
[19:10] <jcoxon> W5HRH, the last strings uploaded were corrupt
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[19:11] <craag> bertrik: I hoped no-one would notice that line, I was misreading the frequency, got 27.070, no 21.070..
[19:11] <craag> *not
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[19:12] <K5WH> xmitting now again
[19:12] <fsphil_> the interwebs seem to be clogged
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[19:13] <SP9UOB_Tom> fsphil: is Your antenna ready?
[19:13] <fsphil> antenna is, but I'm missing an N>PL259 adaptor
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[19:14] <SP9UOB_Tom> mattbrejza: http://cfm.citizen.co.jp/english/product/images/cvo_character_img3.gif
[19:15] <mattbrejza> oh its cubic
[19:15] <mattbrejza> i only tested from 25 -> -20 or so
[19:16] <SP9UOB_Tom> mattbrejza: it depends of cutting angle
[19:16] <mattbrejza> yea i probably should have said for the one i tested
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[19:18] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[19:18] <Lunar_Lander> crap election result
[19:18] <SP9UOB_Tom> hi Lunar_Lander
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[19:23] <W5HRH> got it! 21.070 and 800
[19:23] <craag> Is it transmitting now?
[19:24] <K5WH> just stopped
[19:24] <SP9UOB_Tom> quiet here
[19:24] <K5WH> seems to be on 9 minute cycles
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[19:25] <W5HRH> map didn't update again
[19:25] <W5HRH> no it seems to be 10 min
[19:26] <W5HRH> last pos 29.7450,-95.3121, 8643m
[19:27] <Lunar_Lander> hi SP9UOB_Tom
[19:27] <Lunar_Lander> spacenear still doesn't load
[19:28] <SP9UOB_Tom> W5HRH: http://tkrahn.net/ The Cycle of 20 minutes was too long, therefore we're transmitting in 10 minute cycles now.
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[19:32] <K5WH> hey Kirk..
[19:32] <K5WH> I still seem to get it 1 minute sooner each pass
[19:34] <W5HRH> You're right
[19:35] <W5HRH> map still not updating. last map update was at 19:12:35 SW fry an Loop
[19:36] <NSS> did a flare happen or something? The band has gone dead. was dozens of signals, now only a few.
[19:37] <craag> According to habitat, no-one's decoded a valid string since 19:12
[19:37] <W5HRH> that's what I have also 19:12
[19:38] <craag> K5WH has uploaded a couple, but they've been slightly corrupted and so failed checksum.
[19:38] <W5HRH> flare at 1400 today
[19:39] <SP9UOB_Tom> http://aprs.fi/#!call=a%2FKT5TK-11&timerange=3600&tail=3600
[19:42] <K5WH> need to turn my beam out East now
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[19:46] <kk2z> Hey Walter. I just joined this discussion for first time
[19:46] <kk2z> neat layout
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[19:52] <fsphil> is it sitll transmitting
[19:52] <fsphil> ?
[19:53] <craag> fsphil: It appears so, but we haven't had a packet pass checksum in a while.
[19:53] <K5WH> I very failntly saw the stream, but did not decode anything
[19:54] <craag> AB5SS got 2 string just now, but both were corrupt.
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[19:56] <fsphil> SP9UOB_Tom: I'm setup to receive but not tx yet
[19:57] <fsphil> but it's a short antenna, I couldn't fit the full thing in the attic
[19:57] <SP9UOB_Tom> fsphil: ok, im call CQ
[19:57] <SP9UOB_Tom> fsphil: got something?
[19:58] <fsphil> what freq?
[19:58] <SP9UOB_Tom> 21070.800
[19:58] <SP9UOB_Tom> 21070.000 + 800 on watterfall
[20:00] <fsphil> nearly there...
[20:01] <SP9UOB_Tom> band is closed
[20:01] <W5HRH> dead!
[20:01] <fsphil> there now
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[20:03] <Lunar_Lander> hi brian
[20:04] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Hi. How is it going with blt-33
[20:04] <SP9UOB_Tom> W5HRH: youre right - i cant hear nothing across all band
[20:04] <fsphil> yea it's just noise here too
[20:04] <K5WH> dead band here as well ..
[20:04] <fsphil> there is a carrier appearing now and then
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[20:06] <fsphil> and back
[20:06] <fsphil> 21.070.743
[20:06] <fsphil> looks like psk
[20:07] <fsphil> nothing at all now
[20:08] <SP9UOB_Tom> fsphil: i have stable, solid carrier at 21.071795
[20:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> dont hear anything here, but also got a crappy hf wire
[20:10] <fsphil> that's interesting SP9UOB_Tom
[20:10] <fsphil> actually I'm not hearing anything on 14mhz either
[20:11] <fsphil> got stuff on 7mhz
[20:11] <OZ1SKY_Brian> last aprs at 20:42
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[20:15] <fsphil> either this antenna is rubbish or the airwaves are quite tonight
[20:17] <SP9UOB_Tom> fsphil: aliens ;-)
[20:17] <fsphil> has to be
[20:17] <Lunar_Lander> does spacenear.us work for you?
[20:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> fsphil doing down in freq, the first signal i come across is 13410, so low muf
[20:18] <SP9UOB_Tom> Lunar_Lander: it works for me
[20:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> doing=going
[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[20:19] <mclane> Lunar_lander: I also have problems with spacenear.us; have seen that several times
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[20:19] <mclane> maybe a network issue between uk and germany?
[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> could be
[20:20] <Lunar_Lander> but the server is in the US, says flagfox
[20:20] <SP9UOB_Tom> Lunar_Lander: im working with dual-stack ipv4/ipv6
[20:20] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[20:21] <OZ1SKY_Brian> fsphil do you hear gander radio 6604 10051 13270?. I use those to check MUF to the US
[20:22] <fsphil> gander?
[20:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> canada
[20:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> its a metro station
[20:23] <fsphil> usb?
[20:23] <OZ1SKY_Brian> sorry volmet is the correct name for it
[20:23] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes usb
[20:23] <fsphil> nothing on 6604
[20:24] <mclane> ping is ok but page loads veeeeeeeery slow
[20:25] <fsphil> or the other two
[20:25] <fsphil> my antenna may just be too small
[20:26] <SP9UOB_Tom> i have volmet on 6.607
[20:26] <OZ1SKY_Brian> fsphil ok Ganders transmit H+20-30 and H+50-00 and then NY Volmet at other times
[20:26] <griffonbot> Received email: Radim Mutina "Re: [UKHAS] Listening into radio sondes"
[20:26] <fsphil> 6607 is static here too
[20:27] <OZ1SKY_Brian> its 6604
[20:27] <fsphil> S6 noise :)
[20:27] <fsphil> attics are no place for HF antennas
[20:28] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SP9UOB_Tom yes now very faint talk on 6604 here
[20:28] <SP9UOB_Tom> OZ1SKY_Brian: only morse on 6607
[20:28] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes 6604, not 6607
[20:28] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 6607 i dont know what is
[20:29] <SP9UOB_Tom> ok i have voice on 6604 on vertical antenna
[20:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> anyway, i use those 3 freq as indicators for NA opening
[20:29] <fsphil> vertical here too
[20:29] <fsphil> male voice?
[20:29] <SP9UOB_Tom> male voice
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> mclane, do you get the spacenear page in the end?
[20:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> mini g5rv here, but not working right.
[20:29] <fsphil> I heard it a little
[20:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes
[20:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> numbers and citys
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> here it loads all the time but it doesn't get to show the map
[20:30] <fsphil> it's coming and going, can just about hear it in the noise
[20:30] <fsphil> but I cna't make out what he's saying
[20:30] <OZ1SKY_Brian> WX for air trafic, it runs 24/7
[20:30] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Now it changed to NY Radio Volmet and is gone here
[20:31] <OZ1SKY_Brian> The NY transmitter is MUCH MUCH weaker here in Denmark
[20:31] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Its also on 3485 but ive never heard it here
[20:31] <mclane> Lunar_Lander: no
[20:32] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:32] <fsphil> I did hear NY once but I didn't note the frequency
[20:32] <Lunar_Lander> it's all about the election in lower saxony
[20:32] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[20:32] <mclane> no, it was already before that
[20:32] <fsphil> it wasn't volmet, but I think ATC
[20:32] <fsphil> it was a woman talking to pilots
[20:32] <OZ1SKY_Brian> http://www.dxinfocentre.com/volmet-wx.htm Half way down you find the time table for NAT Volmet
[20:32] <mclane> I had that issue during the last weeks every now and then
[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> mclane, yeah
[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> I was just joking
[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> xd
[20:35] <SP9UOB_Tom> 30m band is also dead
[20:35] <Laurenceb_> is KT5TK alive?
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[20:43] <W5HRH> see you later!
[20:43] <fsphil> cyya W5HRH
[20:52] <craag> Last APRS position 1h19m ago, doesn't look hopeful.
[20:54] <K5WH> nothing on psk in a long while as well
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[21:08] <cuddykid> that's insane, 1W aprs beacon
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[21:09] <fsphil> aprs isn't very efficient
[21:09] <fsphil> well that's not fair. afsk isn't very efficient
[21:10] <cuddykid> ah
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[21:10] <cuddykid> I don't know much about radio stuff :P
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[21:10] <fsphil> we could do aprs over rtty if we really wanted to be mean
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[21:11] <LazyLeopard> Can't think of any other reasno we might want to, though... ;)
[21:12] <fsphil> even the broadcast SW stations are a bit weak here tonight
[21:12] <fsphil> I'm amazed they're still on the air. there really can't be a big audience for this kind of thing
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[21:13] <LazyLeopard> Band conditions not so hot this evening...
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[21:26] <K9ILU> Looks like the umich has a bolloon up. umich-2 on aprs.fi
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[21:27] <fsphil> same guys who did the floater?
[21:28] <fsphil> the one that landed in canada
[21:30] <lz1dev> KT5TK still in the air?
[21:30] <fsphil> likely, but not transmitting
[21:31] <navrac-2> oh have all the txmrs died on it or just the aprs?
[21:33] <navrac-2> no point listening on 15m if its not there!
[21:33] <fsphil> it all seems to have gone
[21:33] <fsphil> at the same time too
[21:35] <navrac-2> very odd.
[21:35] <navrac-2> looked like seperate transmitters in the photo
[21:36] <navrac-2> mind you with the amount of snow on mty aerial i wasnt expecting to hear much
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[21:42] <KT5TK> The last semi-readable report on 15m was 29.9432,-94.2173 at 2000z. KT5TK was over 14000m.
[21:42] <KT5TK> So the PSK beacon seems to still work.
[21:43] <fsphil> any thoughts about what might have happened?
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[21:45] <KT5TK> Frozen humidity?
[21:45] <KT5TK> + lack of local listeners
[21:45] <fsphil> yea I thought the same about my last one
[21:45] <fsphil> it went through two layers of clouds, then died
[21:46] <fsphil> well the gps died
[21:46] <fsphil> then the radio died shortly after
[21:46] <navrac-2> nothing heard here in the uk, but 16m is a bit dead tonight, i'll come back later and listen for the 40m beacon
[21:46] <fsphil> brb, doggie duties
[21:46] <KT5TK> Yea I'm hoping for 40m too.
[21:46] <fsphil> 40m is active here
[21:46] <KT5TK> There are several websdrs on 7 MHz
[21:47] <KT5TK> Also the beacon has more power on 40m
[21:47] <navrac-2> mind you 40m seems to be full of spanish stations tonuight - any idea of what time gmt/utc it will switch to 40m?
[21:48] <KT5TK> It switches by light
[21:48] <fsphil> cute
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[21:49] <navrac-2> so a n hour or s? - its dusk in NY I think
[21:50] <KT5TK> http://pskreporter.info/pskmap.html can display day & night
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[21:52] <mfa298> using http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/ 15m sounds pretty dead
[21:53] <KT5TK> That's usual at night. That's why I'm switching to 40
[21:53] <SP9UOB_Tom> night all
[21:53] <fsphil> g'nite SP9UOB_Tom
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[21:55] <W5HRH> freq on 40 still 7.035.8
[21:56] <KT5TK> Yes correct
[21:56] <W5HRH> thanks
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[21:57] <mfa298> what sort of time do you expect it to switch to 40m
[21:57] <KC0BMF> no luck on 15 be back later and try 40
[21:58] <KT5TK> ~ in 2 hours
[21:58] <KC0BMF> K
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[22:12] <W5hrh> test
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[22:15] <Laurenceb_> is BLT-33 working?
[22:15] <Laurenceb_> mm bacon lettuce and tomatoe
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[22:18] <chrisg7ogx> doesn't look likw anyone is receiving the American Balloon
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[22:21] <griffonbot> Received email: Dave B "[UKHAS] Re: Mobile Tracking webapp"
[22:21] <jonsowman> github is fine here
[22:21] <jonsowman> :\
[22:22] <lz1dev> github is fine here too
[22:24] <chrisg7ogx> because that balloon is so high will the light sensor onboard will still receive sunlight well after sunset on the ground/
[22:27] <chrisg7ogx> my map shows kt5tk approaching the centre of Houston with the last report timed 19:12:35
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[22:31] <mfa298> there was a comment here earlier that there were some partial packets at around 2000z
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[22:44] <Lunar_Lander> YES!
[22:44] <Lunar_Lander> Labour government in lower saxony
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[22:47] <KT5TK> At least the launch was beautiful: http://tkrahn.dyndns.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=9206&g2_page=2
[22:48] <Lunar_Lander> hi KT5TK
[22:49] <KT5TK> Hi Lunar
[22:49] <Lunar_Lander> sorry
[22:49] <Lunar_Lander> I am excited
[22:49] <Lunar_Lander> we had state elections today
[22:50] <KT5TK> I feel with you!
[22:50] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[22:50] <Lunar_Lander> you know the parties of Great Britain?
[22:50] <Lunar_Lander> we were like governed by the tories
[22:51] <Lunar_Lander> but now Labour got one more seat then them
[22:51] <KT5TK> Don't know much about British parties, but I'm from Germany
[22:51] <KT5TK> Therefore I know
[22:53] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[22:53] <Lunar_Lander> so we got SPD instead of CDU
[22:53] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[22:54] <KT5TK> Strange enough FDP has 9.9%
[22:54] <KT5TK> But I like the result of the Greens
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[22:58] <Upu> evening KT5TK so any ideas what went wrong ? Just one tracker I takeit ?
[22:58] <KT5TK> No, two trackers, both quiet
[22:58] <Upu> hmm
[22:58] <Upu> same power source or independent ?
[22:59] <KT5TK> Waiting, hoping that PSK will switch on 40m at dusk
[22:59] <KT5TK> independent
[22:59] <Upu> ok
[22:59] <Upu> how long until dusk ?
[23:00] <KT5TK> ~ 1 hour. I think frozen humidity is our enemy
[23:00] <Upu> should boil off as it gets higher though
[23:00] <KT5TK> hope so
[23:01] <KT5TK> we've seen this with the Pecan tracker last time, too.
[23:01] <KT5TK> it came back
[23:01] <Upu> ok well good luck
[23:01] <Upu> I'm off to bed but fingers crossed it will be back by the time I get up
[23:02] <KT5TK> Thanks, gn
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[23:06] <Lunar_Lander> KT5TK, yea
[23:06] <Lunar_Lander> hi anthony
[23:06] <Lunar_Lander> good night to you :)
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[23:09] <Lunar_Lander> KT5TK, what sort of flight is on at the moment?
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[23:14] <KT5TK> It transmits PSK31 at 7.035 MHz (night) or 21.070 MHz (day) and it has APRS (KT5TK-11)
[23:16] <KT5TK> Likely a floater with 1.5 m/s slow ascent. But it may have not reached float altitude yet
[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[23:20] <Lunar_Lander> and it doesn't broadcast at the moment?
[23:20] <KT5TK> It likely transmits on 15m but nobody picks him up
[23:21] <KT5TK> No local listeners in Luisiana
[23:22] <KT5TK> Last report was 20:00 UTC above Lake Charles
[23:23] <KT5TK> about 58,000 feet
[23:23] <chrisg7ogx> is that still south of highway 10?
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[23:24] <KT5TK> 29.9432,-94.2173
[23:25] <OZ1SKY_Brian> gn all
[23:25] <chrisg7ogx> is sunset at 58,000 feet the same time as at ground level?
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[23:25] <KT5TK> Yes, approximately
[23:25] <KT5TK> We just have sunset here in Houston
[23:26] <KT5TK> Sun is still above horizont
[23:26] <chrisg7ogx> just asking because I imagined the higher you climbed the further would be your horizon
[23:27] <KT5TK> Yeah, but not much.
[23:27] <KT5TK> I wish we could log the light intensity better
[23:27] <chrisg7ogx> i was trying to use world map with sun movement to decide on which freq to leave my set on. 40m
[23:28] <KT5TK> We might start listening on 40 very soon
[23:28] <chrisg7ogx> the auto configure in hag fldigi comes up as slow hell lol
[23:29] <KT5TK> Yeah, there is no PSK. It's a workaround.
[23:30] <chrisg7ogx> is ok.selected in op mode wanted to widen afc bandwidth..now ok
[23:31] <chrisg7ogx> my ham experience of 40 metres tells me that it is often open to USA after 1 am utc and with all that added height there's a good chance
[23:34] <chrisg7ogx> italian station in qso with Venezuala at the moment on 7.035
[23:37] <mfa298> chrisg7ogx: I suspect the psk31 will need some manual intervention to get the right set of data
[23:40] <chrisg7ogx> yes i'm leaving it on with 800hz either way
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[23:42] <K5WH> listening on 40 as well right now..
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[23:44] <chrisg7ogx> listening well. good luk and good night
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[23:51] <KT5TK> K5WH: Hi Walter. Thanks for listening
[23:51] <KT5TK> I don't pick up anything yet
[23:54] <W5hrh> nothing yet either
[23:54] <K5WH> hey Kirk..
[23:54] <W5hrh> it's been a long time Walter!
[23:55] <Dark3D> I'm on 40 and there is a Cuba station right on 700
[23:56] <K5WH> hey Rudy !! long time indeed
[23:56] <K5WH> didn't know you changed your call, congrats there..
[23:57] <W5hrh> i changed it many years ago. just haven't been active
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[23:57] <K5WH> well, welcome back to the wonderful world of radio.. :)
[23:58] <KT5TK> got 3 partial decodes
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[23:58] <KT5TK> On 40m!
[23:58] <W5hrh> recently?
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