highaltitude.log.20130117

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[03:45] <Spoz> argh my gps still hasnt arrived
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[04:11] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: DMD hacking device - m109s on eBay
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[04:52] <KT5TK> WSPR beacon with 6 digit locator - Almost ready to hang on a balloon: http://www.knology.net/~gmarcus/
[04:53] <Darkside> ooh
[04:54] <Darkside> nice compilation of information there
[04:55] <Darkside> using an AD9851
[04:55] <Darkside> cool
[04:56] <KT5TK> ... and a Uno
[04:57] <Darkside> yeah
[04:57] <KT5TK> though version 3.0 is for a Mega
[04:57] <Darkside> annoyingly, my HF transmitter doesn't have the frequency resolution for WSPR
[04:57] <Darkside> unless i use a VCXO
[04:58] <Darkside> i do have a AD9851 board floating around somewhere
[04:58] <Darkside> made one ages back
[04:59] <Darkside> does about 10mW output power iirc
[04:59] <Spoz> hey Darkside, where do you get your metallized film from?
[04:59] <KT5TK> he uses this DDS-60 board.
[04:59] <Spoz> or do you just use recovered BOM reflectors
[05:00] <KT5TK> I wonder where that is available
[05:00] <Darkside> Spoz: we use recovered BOM reflectors
[05:00] <Darkside> KT5TK: dunno about that. i made my own shield
[05:00] <Spoz> ok
[05:01] <Darkside> KT5TK: the AD9851 is really simple to interface to
[05:01] <Darkside> wasn't much on the shield at all
[05:01] <Darkside> and i used a big DIP oscillator, which didn't have the drift issue
[05:04] <KT5TK> DDS-60 Daughtercard $70 http://midnightdesignsolutions.com/dds60/
[05:05] <Darkside> if you can find the AD9851's for cheap enough, it might be cheaper to make your own shield
[05:05] <Darkside> i think i got them for $20
[05:05] <Darkside> and we had the oscilaltors already
[05:08] <KT5TK> Considering the extra development time I just went ahead and ordered one. I'll report how it works
[05:08] <Darkside> cool
[05:08] <Darkside> i shoudl try out the code with my shield
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[06:46] <Spoz> ugh atc want us to go 3.5 hours out
[06:47] <Spoz> is there any recommendation for what time of the day a launch should be done? as early as possible?
[06:49] <Upu> morning Spoz
[06:49] <Upu> just responded to your mail
[06:49] <Upu> from a finding it whilst its still light point of view early
[06:49] <Darkside> Spoz: 3.5 hours out?
[06:49] <Spoz> ah thanks upu
[06:49] <Spoz> yeah, drive
[06:49] <Spoz> from here
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[06:50] <Darkside> oh
[06:50] <Spoz> upu I thought it was being sent express
[06:53] <Spoz> bleh, looks like I have to borrow a gps module
[06:53] <Spoz> nothing has gone right on this project
[06:53] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/rtlsdr-hama-mini-adbssharp-vrs.jpg reception much? :O
[06:57] <Upu> sorry no Airsure is the one you need for that
[06:57] <Upu> it can't be far of getting there
[06:57] <Spoz> I thought I paid for airsure
[06:57] <Spoz> I asked you which one it was at the time
[06:57] <Spoz> anyway
[06:58] <Upu> Nah I always tell people to use Airsure as it stops this happening
[06:58] <Spoz> no point getting into an argument about it, I need to come up with something else
[06:58] <Upu> I check my mail as well in case or did we talk about it here ?
[06:58] <Spoz> here
[06:59] <Spoz> [18:40] <Upu> if you get Airsure
[06:59] <Spoz> [18:41] <Upu> I'm fairly confident it will be there in 2 weeks
[06:59] <Spoz> [18:41] <Upu> normal parcel rates can be anything
[06:59] <Spoz> [18:41] <Upu> weeks
[06:59] <Spoz> [18:41] <Upu> However all I can guarantee is I'll post it tomorrow :)
[06:59] <Spoz> [18:42] <Spoz> is airsure the international signed
[06:59] <Spoz> [18:42] <Spoz> or just regular airmail
[06:59] <Spoz> [18:42] <Upu> its above international signed
[06:59] <Spoz> [18:43] <Spoz> ok
[06:59] <Spoz> [18:43] <Upu> Airsure is its own thing, tracked and insured
[06:59] <Upu> Ah
[06:59] <Upu> you picked Air Mail
[06:59] <Upu> not Air Sure
[07:00] <Spoz> well shit
[07:00] <Spoz> stuff from the uk used to be fast anyway
[07:00] <Upu> it should be there soon
[07:00] <Upu> ok I have to shoot back from work
[07:00] <Spoz> unless its here tomorrow morning its not much good to me
[07:01] <Spoz> ok, see you
[07:03] <Spoz> you don't have airsure as an option in your checkout
[07:03] <Spoz> thats why I asked
[07:03] <Spoz> you have airmail and international signed
[07:03] <Spoz> and you told me it was above international signed :p
[07:04] <Spoz> I'll get over it, but fyi
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[11:30] <griffonbot> @daveake: The payload box for my next #raspberrypi flight is ready. #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/daveake/status/291870199060246528]
[11:31] <daveake> hmm that was supposed to have a pic attached
[11:32] <fsphil> did it look like this: []
[11:34] <Hibby> lol
[11:37] <daveake> Well it's [] from the outside, but [ ] from the inside
[11:39] <costyn> its bigger on the inside?!
[11:39] <fsphil> or smaller on the outside
[11:40] <daveake> it's all relative
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[11:50] <cuddykid> when are you planning on launching daveake ?
[11:51] <daveake> 26th/27th
[11:52] <fsphil> is there a chance the timing could go all wibbly wobbly?
[11:57] <daveake> No, none at all :p
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[12:02] <griffonbot> @daveake: And here's the TARDIS payload, made from polystyrene foam/card/paint. Yes the LED does flash :) #raspberrypi #UKHAS http://t.co/FEkKySlV [http://twitter.com/daveake/status/291878163825426433]
[12:02] <daveake> Ah pic works now :) Sorry for the spam
[12:03] <craag> Oh wow
[12:03] <fsphil> is the LED driven from the Pi or a timer?
[12:03] <daveake> flashing led
[12:03] <daveake> just add power
[12:03] <daveake> 20mA, which in a regular payload is "a lot"; with the Pi is "meh"
[12:03] <x-f> pretty
[12:04] <daveake> The sides are just pix from the web printed on 160gm paper card
[12:04] <daveake> Roof is painted ("Prussian Blue" is what you need)
[12:04] <x-f> is TARDIS an acronym?
[12:05] <daveake> yup
[12:05] <craag> x-f: Time And Relative Dimension In Space :P
[12:05] <daveake> Time And Relative Dimension In Space
[12:05] <daveake> too slow :)
[12:05] <fsphil> NERDS
[12:05] <daveake> lol
[12:05] <fsphil> (you both beat me to it)
[12:05] <daveake> lol
[12:06] <daveake> I tell you, if yo want to make a TARDIS, the web is full of dimensions, colours, plans and instructions for making a full-size one ...
[12:06] <daveake> (full size from the outside anyway)
[12:07] <craag> The tech place I worked at in the summer had a full-size tardis model... that was a filing cabinet. Very disappointing.
[12:07] <Penfold_> how are you powering it, vis a vis power-weight ratio
[12:08] <Penfold_> and for that matter, how much extra lift does it need compared to the usual hardware?
[12:08] <fsphil> hmmm...
[12:08] <griffonbot> @thecraag: RT @daveake: And here's the TARDIS payload, made from polystyrene foam/card/paint. Yes the LED does flash :) #raspberrypi #UKHAS http: ... [http://twitter.com/thecraag/status/291879660797698048]
[12:08] <x-f> (ok, wikipedia explained it to me, i'm not familiar with Doctor Who)
[12:08] <fsphil> I could probably make an MDF version. not sure it would keep out the Dalek fleet
[12:09] <fsphil> or even rain
[12:09] <daveake> Put it at the top of some stairs then
[12:09] <fsphil> stairs, and indoors. good plan
[12:10] <fsphil> I saw a good signature on a website once: "Real Daleks don't climb stairs, they level the building"
[12:10] <mattbrejza> afternoon, when you fill in the application for DM, and it asks for a image of the OS map, will print screening http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/opendata/viewer/ do?
[12:11] <fsphil> I asked nicely if I could use google maps, and he said yes as long as the scale was correct
[12:11] <daveake> I scanned a real map
[12:11] <mattbrejza> ok thanks
[12:12] <mattbrejza> max dimension of balloon?
[12:12] <daveake> I put in "1.5m dia at launch"
[12:12] <mattbrejza> ok
[12:13] <mattbrejza> and if you want backup dates write it in the field with 'backup' written and explain better in the email?
[12:13] <daveake> both is good. I put in something like "primary dd/mm, backups dd/mm, ...."
[12:13] <daveake> At least have the primary in the email
[12:14] <daveake> If there's anything "unusual", like "I need 2 launches on different days" I say so in the email. What you ask for will be *exactly* what you get.
[12:14] <mattbrejza> ok, then 'instrumentation' just put as 1.4kg polystrene box?
[12:15] <daveake> I put down "GSM, radio, temp/pressure sensors" or whatever
[12:15] <daveake> Case isn't mentioned
[12:15] <daveake> GPS I meant
[12:15] <mattbrejza> im sure hes used to a wide range of answers anyway
[12:15] <daveake> yep
[12:15] <daveake> I doubt those things matter
[12:16] <daveake> Date / where / how many flights ... those are the main ones
[12:16] <mattbrejza> now to work out what zoom level 1:50000 actually is
[12:16] <mattbrejza> silly online thing doesnt say
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[12:17] <fsphil> find out how big an A4 sheet is *50000
[12:17] <mattbrejza> never mind, they have them in the library
[12:17] <fsphil> I wasn't perfect, but close enough
[12:19] <daveake> WTF they don't just accept normal Google-compatible GPS co-ords I don't know
[12:20] <fsphil> no doubt some long and boring historical reason
[12:21] <mattbrejza> ive put two launch weekends down, then we explain we wont use the second unless we phone him and ask for it?
[12:22] <fsphil> he'll normally just give you both
[12:22] <fsphil> less work for him
[12:22] <mattbrejza> ok probably not best to complicate matters
[12:22] <fsphil> yep
[12:22] <mattbrejza> it wont be my phone that gets rung anyway :P
[12:22] <daveake> :)
[12:23] <fsphil> it might help to note "weekends only", although I've yet to see that on my notam
[12:23] <daveake> He'll ask that if you fly the first weekend, you tell him so he can cancel the second
[12:23] <fsphil> pilots phone during the week anyway
[12:23] <daveake> at 6am sometimes
[12:23] <fsphil> yea, I got a really early call from the police helicopter over the christmas holidays
[12:24] <fsphil> gits
[12:24] <mattbrejza> surely theyll only phone if the date is for when they intend to fly?
[12:24] <daveake> At the Stargazing thing last week, I had a chat to a rocket guy. He complained mightily about pilots not reading or ignoring notams
[12:24] <fsphil> my notam covered 8 days mattbrejza
[12:24] <daveake> mattbrejza Assuming they read the dates, yes
[12:24] <mattbrejza> ok
[12:25] <daveake> Usually the first notice I get that my notam has been issued is when a pilot calls. They're much quicker than DM :)
[12:25] <mattbrejza> so what do you say when they phone up saying 'so i heard you were flying a balloon'?
[12:25] <mattbrejza> i guess they just want a more precise time?
[12:25] <daveake> Almost always they just want to know if you're flying on a certain date, and if so what time
[12:25] <gonzo_> the phone number I put on my notam application is a dedicate nummber, with a phone that has answaphone
[12:26] <gonzo_> so I can just leave a recorded 'not activity today' message
[12:26] <gonzo_> no
[12:26] <daveake> nice
[12:26] <fsphil> good idea
[12:26] <daveake> I'll do that
[12:26] <gonzo_> and invite them to leave a message if the ansa text does niot cover their enquiry
[12:26] <mattbrejza> and provide a direct number to you?
[12:27] <gonzo_> that would be an option yep
[12:27] <gonzo_> but it's a mobile phone anyway
[12:28] <Penfold_> wouldnb't be too hard to set that up as a central UKHAS service using Asterisk
[12:28] <gonzo_> cheepo asda PAYG one. As they will let you enable/disable the answerphone service from the phone. Bloody orange make you call cunstomer dis-service
[12:30] <Spoz> woot, managed to find a GPS that does 50km... with two hours notice
[12:30] <fsphil> ublox6 can do 50km altitude
[12:31] <costyn> ambitious :)
[12:31] <mattbrejza> the caa need to set up an automatic online notam system for approved sites, would make this somewhat quicker
[12:33] <Spoz> yeah a guy at my hackerspace had a spare ublox lea-6 laying around
[12:33] <Spoz> very lucky
[12:34] <Darkside> they draw about twice as much current as the MAX-6
[12:34] <Darkside> but it'll do
[12:35] <mattbrejza> launching soon?
[12:35] <Spoz> saturday
[12:36] <mattbrejza> from?
[12:36] <Spoz> approx brisbane australia
[12:36] <mattbrejza> oh
[12:36] <mattbrejza> slightly out of radio range...
[12:36] <Darkside> one UK length away from brisbane
[12:36] <Darkside> :P
[12:36] <Spoz> Darkside: just gotta figure out how to make it run on 3v now
[12:36] <Spoz> its a 3drobotics module
[12:38] <Darkside> mm
[12:38] <Spoz> ah crap, its "preconfigured for ardupilot mega use"
[12:38] <Spoz> now I have to work out what that means and change it
[12:38] <Darkside> well the LEA-6 module is 3.3v
[12:38] <Spoz> yeah
[12:38] <Spoz> but 3dr dont have schematics for their boards
[12:38] <Darkside> boo
[12:38] <Spoz> time to break out the loupe
[12:38] <Darkside> heh
[12:38] <Darkside> it probably has a regulator and level conversion
[12:38] <Spoz> I hope he doesnt mind some new blobs of solder on here
[12:39] <Darkside> its possibly you may jhust be able to feed it 3.3v
[12:39] <Darkside> and it might work
[12:39] <Darkside> the regulator on the board might just pass it through
[12:39] <Spoz> hm, ok lets see
[12:39] <Darkside> http://store.diydrones.com/3DR_GPS_LEA_6_p/br-3drlea-6.htm
[12:40] <Spoz> thats the oine
[12:40] <Darkside> mm
[12:40] <Spoz> hm eagle files
[12:40] <Darkside> there ya go
[12:40] <Spoz> shame I dont have eagle installed
[12:40] <Spoz> I swear this whole project is 99% yak shaving
[12:41] <Darkside> lemme take a look
[12:41] <Darkside> oh
[12:41] <Darkside> theres an I2C eeprom on board
[12:42] <Darkside> which has the configuration on it
[12:42] <Darkside> that shouldn't matter though
[12:42] <Spoz> guh
[12:42] <Spoz> any idea what the regulator is, so I can look that up
[12:42] <Darkside> TPS79133
[12:42] <Darkside> i'd try feeding 3.3v into it
[12:42] <Darkside> and see if the gps powers up fine
[12:43] <Darkside> theres no level conversion on the TXD and RXD pins
[12:43] <Spoz> sure just waiting for the soldering iron to heat u
[12:43] <Darkside> which is good for you
[12:43] <Spoz> yeah
[12:43] <mattbrejza> does it give out usb? then you can configure and not worry about putting in flight mode
[12:43] <Darkside> no usb mattbrejza
[12:43] <mattbrejza> o well
[12:44] <Darkside> Spoz: as long as it isn't configured to do anything like send out UBX binary regularly, it should be OK to use
[12:44] <Darkside> you'll still need to configure it
[12:44] <Spoz> isnt that how ardupilot works
[12:44] <Spoz> constant stream of ubx binary
[12:44] <Darkside> i dunno
[12:44] <Darkside> http://code.google.com/p/ardupilot-mega/source/browse/libraries/AP_GPS/config/3DR-Ublox.txt
[12:45] <Darkside> urgh
[12:45] <Darkside> that does not help a lot
[12:45] <Darkside> it may mean you need to do some more configuration
[12:45] <Darkside> which is a pita
[12:45] <Darkside> or..... disable the I2C eeprom
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[12:46] <Darkside> which in this case likely means desoldering it
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[12:47] <Spoz> hm ok
[12:47] <Spoz> if that happens I need to give him the max 6 when it arrives
[12:47] <Spoz> I was hoping to keep it and return his module
[12:47] <Darkside> well
[12:47] <Darkside> you co uld just desolder the chip temporarily
[12:48] <Darkside> it'll survive being desoldered and resoldered back on
[12:48] <Spoz> true
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[12:53] <Spoz> yeah doesnt power up with 3v in
[12:55] <Spoz> actually the reg seems to be faulty
[12:55] <Spoz> more voltage will fix it
[12:56] <Spoz> correction: it does power up with 3v
[12:56] <Darkside> or just bypass the reg
[13:00] <daveake> What's your batt voltage? Can't you just run this module direct from that?
[13:01] <Spoz> its 4 lithium primaries in series
[13:01] <Spoz> probably a bit too high
[13:03] <Darkside> 6v should be ok
[13:03] <Darkside> check the regulator specs
[13:04] <daveake> hah. My 5 SMPS reg modules for £5-50 have arrived :)
[13:04] <Spoz> but the reg steps it down to 3v
[13:04] <Spoz> I think daveake was talking about just connecting the gps straight to batt
[13:04] <Spoz> oh
[13:04] <Spoz> derp
[13:05] <Spoz> will check the reg :p
[13:05] <daveake> I was :)
[13:05] <Spoz> yeah I got something mixed up in my head
[13:05] <daveake> Well, VReg straight to battery. Not GPS chip
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[13:07] <costyn> anybody have a use for these? http://www.nxp.com/documents/data_sheet/PCA9306.pdf There was one on an arduino board which let out the magic smoke, I ordered a new one, but the package size was wrong. So I have a strip of 10 of these. If anyone's interested I can mail them to you
[13:07] <Spoz> 6v max
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[13:18] <Spoz> I swear I found some python code to plot from dl-fldigi to oziexplorer
[13:18] <Spoz> and now its disappeared off the interwebs
[13:19] <eroomde> well, there probably aren;t that many people in the world who would be interested in something so specific
[13:20] <eroomde> and i suspect that the few there are in the world who would be, are in this channel
[13:20] <eroomde> Darkside
[13:20] <Spoz> I know but there was something on a group somewhere
[13:20] <Darkside> heh
[13:20] <Darkside> the python interface is shit
[13:20] <Darkside> i could never get it to work
[13:21] <Darkside> it just wraps the dll in ctypes
[13:21] <Darkside> i think it was for an older version of ozi or something
[13:21] <Spoz> oh
[13:21] <Spoz> yeah I never got to try it out
[13:21] <Spoz> guess I wont bother
[13:22] <Darkside> all our glue code is in Java
[13:22] <Darkside> as there was a java class that woudl wrap the ozi dll
[13:22] <Darkside> and actually work
[13:24] <griffonbot> @davekh: RT @daveake: And here's the TARDIS payload, made from polystyrene foam/card/paint. Yes the LED does flash :) #raspberrypi #UKHAS http: ... [http://twitter.com/davekh/status/291898661993078784]
[13:24] <Darkside> o lawd
[13:24] <Darkside> ok i need to sleep
[13:24] <Darkside> nn all
[13:24] <daveake> nn ds
[13:25] <Brace> daft newbie questions - but would it be normal / sensible to sort out a camera which either records video for the duration of the flight or has a separate servo mechanism to take photos, independant of the main flight computer?
[13:25] <Spoz> night Darkside
[13:26] <Spoz> new bruce!
[13:26] <daveake> Simplest for stills is a Canon A-series powershot. Download the CHDK software for it and copy to an SD card.
[13:27] <daveake> Then the camera can run a simple intervalometer script
[13:27] <daveake> For video it's simpler - just press record and go
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[13:28] <Brace> that's what I was thinking, just video it and nab stills from the video
[13:28] <eroomde> with CHDK you can do both
[13:28] <x-f> you can write a CHDK script that takes pictures and videos
[13:28] <eroomde> take a bunch of stills then a video
[13:28] <Brace> but I'll look into the CHDK software
[13:28] <eroomde> in the past we have done something like 4 x pics at 10s, then 20s of video
[13:28] <eroomde> on a 1 minute cycle
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[13:30] <Brace> ahh, so CHDK is firmware, that sounds good, thanks gents
[13:30] <Brace> eroomde: that seems like a good idea
[13:31] <eroomde> Brace: yep correct. you can write little scripts for it in Basic
[13:32] <eroomde> it's fairly simple and there are some good example scripts floating around on the net
[13:32] <eroomde> and best of all, it requires no mechanical faffing around like soldering extra wires onto your camera
[13:33] <Brace> that's the sort of thing I wanted to avoid
[13:35] <daveake> Can be done but it can be a pain, especially if you stick your fingers on the flash circuitry
[13:38] <eroomde> that used to be a rite of passage in hab
[13:38] <daveake> Taking a camera apart, or getting the shock?
[13:40] <eroomde> the shock
[13:40] <daveake> excellent
[13:40] <eroomde> the wail of pain from across the lab
[13:41] <fsphil> who got hit by the electric fence?
[13:42] <Brace> eroomde: if I can miss out that rite of passage, I think I will :D
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[13:56] <fsphil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQPI1EsTWxU
[13:57] <OZ1SKY_Brian> LOL sorry but that sounded really funny :-)
[13:58] <fsphil> "no sheep, why would they put this here" ... it's to keep naughty HAB'ers out!
[13:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yeah
[13:58] <fsphil> it's quite a spark from the sounds of it
[13:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes
[13:58] <daveake> lol
[14:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> watched it 10 times now, im still LOL :-)
[14:01] <daveake> Possibly the second funniest HAB video, after that carpark cutdown test
[14:01] <fsphil> ah yes
[14:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> havent seen that i think?
[14:02] <fsphil> oh it's a good one
[14:02] <fsphil> I don't have a link handy
[14:02] <daveake> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHHeOpNwYbw
[14:03] <daveake> Skip to 3:45 or so
[14:04] <fsphil> forgot about the countdown music
[14:05] <WillDuckworth> hab hab hab haaaa
[14:05] <WillDuckworth> lots of waffle
[14:05] <OZ1SKY_Brian> lol yes the music adds alot to it :-)
[14:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> someone should make a top 10, like everything else on YT :-)
[14:10] <eroomde> ah yes
[14:10] <eroomde> graham
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[14:10] <eroomde> i think he used to be UKSEDS secretary
[14:11] <eroomde> were were honored a few times by UKSEDS by them asking us if we wanted to do our own stuff under a UKSEDS banner. because UKSEDS is incharge of anything student space related in the UK
[14:12] <eroomde> politely declined
[14:13] <WillDuckworth> there was a UKSEDS lad at the Droitwich space day at the weekend - from Reactions, forgot his name - but said he knew you
[14:14] <eroomde> oh right
[14:14] <eroomde> you forgot his name tho?
[14:14] <eroomde> what did he look like?
[14:15] <WillDuckworth> spikey ish hair - not too tall - pleasant enough
[14:16] <WillDuckworth> was chatting to him and Alistair Scott of the BIS
[14:17] <eroomde> last time i saw alistair he was in a massive bobble hat on a deck chair watching a balloon launch shoting 'marvellous' sporadically
[14:17] <eroomde> not sure who this guy from reaction engines would have been though
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[14:33] <sv9qct> @daveake: Hi, any photo of the payload box? :)
[14:34] <fsphil> check the followup sv9qct :)
[14:34] <daveake> yeah I posted it earlier - https://twitter.com/daveake/status/291878163825426433/photo/1
[14:35] <sv9qct> Ok got it now. Great!
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[14:54] <chris_99> http://robotrising.org/2013/01/operation-stratosphere-conclusion/
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[15:02] <Amadiro> Hey, somebody got some temperature charts for the range 2-5km range?
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[15:03] <eroomde> Amadiro: can do you an equation
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[15:03] <eroomde> http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/k-12/airplane/atmosmet.html
[15:03] <eroomde> T = for h < 11000
[15:03] <Amadiro> eroomde, heh, hey
[15:04] <Amadiro> more interested in experimental measurements
[15:04] <eroomde> oh
[15:04] <eroomde> probably datasets somewhere
[15:04] <Amadiro> me and some other guy are talking through some balloon designs ATM
[15:04] <eroomde> but it pretty closely matches this model usually
[15:04] <eroomde> it's a good model
[15:05] <Amadiro> Cool.
[15:06] <Amadiro> We're considering going for a chemical heat source inside the capsule
[15:06] <eroomde> it's usually not necessary unless you have a very specific thing that requires it
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[15:07] <Amadiro> Yeah, mostly for fun, really
[15:07] <eroomde> a normal payload of electronics in a moderately insulated box will have no problem staying warm enough from self heating via its own power dissipation
[15:07] <zyp> Amadiro, mostly for adding needless weight, you mean? :)
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[15:08] <eroomde> give it wings and have it autopilot back to the launch site if you want to added complexity :)
[15:08] <Amadiro> heh
[15:08] <Amadiro> it's just going to be a really small test-launch for testing the waters
[15:08] <fsphil> hopefully without the water bit
[15:09] <x-f> :>
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[15:10] <fsphil> only one of my flight failed due to temperature, and that was because of a lack of insulation
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[15:46] <SpeedEvil_> Laurenceb: random question. do you happen to know if Ti micro mirror arrays as used in projectors work OK for thermal IR wqvelengrths?
[15:46] <Laurenceb> do they use silicon?
[15:47] <Laurenceb> as the reflectors
[15:47] <SpeedEvil_> dunno
[15:47] <SpeedEvil_> I assume not
[15:47] <Laurenceb> http://pveducation.org/pvcdrom/appendicies/optical-properties-of-silicon
[15:47] <Laurenceb> yeah
[15:47] <SpeedEvil_> silicon sucks for visible
[15:47] <Laurenceb> in which case id image alu coating
[15:47] <Laurenceb> so it might work
[15:48] <SpeedEvil_> was wondering on a silly back to front imager
[15:48] <Laurenceb> depends how big the mirrors are
[15:48] <SpeedEvil_> cheap stuff on eBay is dangerous :-)
[15:49] <Laurenceb> how would back to front imaging work?
[15:50] <SpeedEvil_> one of the Ti sensors, a mirror array to scan it.
[15:50] <SpeedEvil_> TI
[15:51] <SpeedEvil_> low apature, clearly
[15:51] <Laurenceb> why not use a single mirror?
[15:51] <SpeedEvil_> mechanical simplicity.
[15:52] <SpeedEvil_> but valid and probably good point
[15:52] <Laurenceb> you can buy x/y mirror stages on ebay
[15:52] <SpeedEvil_> and yeah.
[15:52] <SpeedEvil_> this was a tenner though
[15:52] <Laurenceb> conversion time is slow on the ti thermal sensor
[15:52] <Laurenceb> better to go analogue
[15:52] <Laurenceb> and you can get ~1Khz bandwidth or so
[15:52] <SpeedEvil_> there aren't really fast pirs.
[15:53] <SpeedEvil_> whrtre?
[15:53] <Laurenceb> some of the thermopile sensors
[15:53] <Laurenceb> not the ferroelectric pir stuff
[15:53] <SpeedEvil_> 1khz??
[15:53] <Laurenceb> hmm maybe i got the speed wrong
[15:53] <SpeedEvil_> seems unlikely.
[15:54] <SpeedEvil_> if that was the case, i'dnexpecr to see more flying spot imagers
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[15:55] <Laurenceb> http://www.melexis.com/Infrared-Thermometer-Sensors/Infrared-Thermometer-Sensors/FIRray16X4-Far-InfraRed-Array-776.aspx
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[15:56] <Laurenceb> 512hz
[15:57] <SpeedEvil_> hmm.
[15:57] <SpeedEvil_> $66 isn't terrible
[15:57] <Laurenceb> pity its not linear
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[16:01] <SpeedEvil_> sigh
[16:01] <SpeedEvil_> I fail to find a -3dB optical bandwidth on that
[16:02] <SpeedEvil_> silky data sheets
[16:02] <Laurenceb> probably quite narrow
[16:02] <Laurenceb> interference filter on the front
[16:02] <Laurenceb> ive got them down to 100microns before
[16:03] <Laurenceb> LN2 cooled decapped melexis thermopile in a vacuum chamber
[16:03] <Laurenceb> i chopped the sensor die off and wire bonded it onto a bare die AD opamp
[16:03] <arko> Morning
[16:03] <Laurenceb> this was for a mm wave fourier spectrometer
[16:03] <Laurenceb> worked quite well
[16:04] <Laurenceb> hello arko
[16:04] <arko> Ssuup
[16:05] <SpeedEvil_> I mean envelope response
[16:06] <SpeedEvil_> I really doubt it will accurately report a 100hz square wave thermal signal
[16:06] <SpeedEvil_> neat!
[16:07] <Spoz> guh I cant get this tiny tracker to work
[16:09] <Laurenceb> we could have gone further than 100micron
[16:09] <Laurenceb> didnt try, but with a pcb based mm wave interference filter with 100micron cutoff we could see a clear response
[16:10] <Laurenceb> we just used a 6v incandescent bulb as the mm wave source
[16:11] <SpeedEvil_> :-)
[16:12] <SpeedEvil_> 100 microns is quite cold
[16:12] <SpeedEvil_> what's that, 200k ish?
[16:12] <SpeedEvil_> (peak)
[16:13] <Laurenceb> yes
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[16:13] <Laurenceb> id imagine you can go right up to mm or so
[16:14] <Laurenceb> but it gets noisy
[16:14] <Laurenceb> at 100micron we could just pull a singal out without cooling and in air
[16:14] <Laurenceb> but it took a lot of averaging
[16:14] <SpeedEvil_> funky
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[16:15] <Laurenceb> it hated air movements
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[16:16] <SpeedEvil> impressive
[16:16] <SpeedEvil> I I guess that air isn't that transparent there
[16:22] <Laurenceb> it not that bad
[16:22] <Laurenceb> the main problem is an uncased thermopile detects air turbulence
[16:22] <SpeedEvil> oh, it's direct
[16:23] <SpeedEvil> and windows are a problem at 100 microns
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[16:30] <Laurenceb> yes
[16:36] <Amadiro> fsphil, interesting. The guy's a chemist, so it'd probably be interesting to him to make some high-energy-density compound that can be used for even, long-term heat emitting
[16:38] <Amadiro> you can pack energy pretty densely from a chemical POV (way denser than batteries and such, of course), so it's probably mostly a matter of choosing an appropriate reaction, not so much a weight problem
[16:46] <mattbrejza> kinda relevent: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21058597
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[17:10] <Laurenceb> http://www.b3tards.com/u/031f01d1321eff33b3d0/gayhal.jpg
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[17:30] <jarod> if you guys use rtlsdr for reception
[17:30] <jarod> try the mini: http://x264.nl/dump/rtlsdr-hama_big-mini.jpg
[17:31] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/rtlsdr-mini-virtual-radar-server-distance-record.jpg is much much better
[17:31] <Laurenceb> wait what
[17:31] <Laurenceb> thats received with rtlsdr?
[17:31] <eroomde> jarod: what's different about it, do you know?
[17:31] <Laurenceb> using transponder data?
[17:31] <jarod> Laurenceb yup
[17:31] <Laurenceb> sweet
[17:32] <Laurenceb> thats pretty awesome
[17:32] <Laurenceb> what frequency?
[17:32] <jarod> eroomde: what i SEE if, lower noise floor, almost no spiked
[17:32] <jarod> Laurenceb: 1090MHz: http://sdrsharp.com/index.php/a-simple-and-cheap-ads-b-receiver-using-rtl-sdr
[17:32] <jarod> using this: http://x264.nl/dump/ads-b-antenna-groundplane-proper.jpg
[17:33] <Laurenceb> very impressive
[17:33] <eroomde> interesting
[17:33] <jarod> without the mini i barely reach the german border
[17:33] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/virtual-radar-server-adsb.jpg <-- this is with "big" rtlsdr
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[17:54] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: doing some work on the new HABHAB iOS app! #ukhas [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/291966688260390912]
[17:54] <cuddykid> that should read HABHUB shouldn't it :/
[17:54] <daveake> prubably
[17:55] <eroomde> habhab sounds like some kind of confectionary
[17:56] <jarod> Laurenceb: i am getting off screen reception
[17:58] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/rtlsdr-mini-virtual-radar-server-distance-record.jpg refresh
[17:58] <cuddykid> hm, if it carries on snowing like it is at the moment here (notts) until tues (as forecast) it might be quite a wintry scene
[17:59] <eroomde> fsphil: http://hackaday.com/2013/01/17/raspi-astrophotography-board-also-does-everything-else/
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[18:20] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/rtlsdr-mini-virtual-radar-server-distance-record-no-tags.jpg <-- no tags because they are off the map otherwise, zoomed in more :P
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[18:25] <fsphil> eroomde: that's an excellent price
[18:25] <fsphil> and sounds perfect for my lil project
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[18:38] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[19:40] <anerDev> hi guys !!
[19:41] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hi
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[19:52] <anerDev> daveake hi !
[19:52] <daveake> hi
[19:53] <anerDev> I have change the resistor
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[19:55] <anerDev> can you watch the setting of gqrx ?
[19:56] <anerDev> my setting
[19:57] <daveake> Sorry I've never used gqrx. I told you all I know - set the LO to a little way below the NTX2 frequency.
[19:57] <anerDev> ok, one moment
[19:59] <anerDev> this is the graph http://d.pr/i/Qazo
[19:59] <anerDev> and Would like a record of the sound ?
[20:00] <mattbrejza> that looks fine
[20:00] <mattbrejza> i can see on the lower right FFT
[20:02] <anerDev> but this is my fl-digi
[20:02] <anerDev> http://d.pr/i/uxSd
[20:02] <anerDev> is wrong !
[20:02] <mattbrejza> your shift is a little too big but itll still decode if you set the shift to match your signal
[20:03] <anerDev> I go to dinner, I return 15 min
[20:03] <anerDev> se later
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[20:05] <jcoxon> evening all
[20:06] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Hi James
[20:06] <fsphil> ahoy jcoxon
[20:07] <Lunar_Lander> hi Brian, Phil and James and Dave
[20:07] <fsphil> hyea Kev
[20:14] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[20:14] <Lunar_Lander> how's life?
[20:17] <anerDev> here I am
[20:18] <anerDev> I'm using this setting for RTTY: http://d.pr/i/wdAm and I'm using the Arduino sketch in the tutorial of ntx2
[20:18] <anerDev> but, why I can't wiew the correct character ?
[20:19] <mattbrejza> set the carrier shift to custom ten increase until it matches your lines
[20:20] <anerDev> but this setting are correct ? http://d.pr/i/35mW
[20:21] <daveake> You need the shift in the fldigi to match the shift you see
[20:21] <mattbrejza> yea it looked fine in http://d.pr/i/uxSd
[20:21] <mattbrejza> but the shift was too low
[20:21] <anerDev> + 450 ?
[20:22] <daveake> What does the picture tell you the shift is?
[20:23] <anerDev> http://d.pr/i/OQzS
[20:24] <daveake> anerDev Can you please start looking at your screen and seeing what it tells you, instead of upload screenshots so we hold your hand all the way through this process
[20:25] <daveake> The shift you SET in dl-fldigi has to MATCH the distance between the 2 bands
[20:25] <daveake> Matt told you how to do it
[20:25] <anerDev> the distance between the yellow line ?
[20:25] <daveake> there are no other bands
[20:26] <daveake> It should have been 425Hz but, because your resistor values aren't correct for that, it's much wider
[20:26] <daveake> The tutorial explains this and how to fix it in the circuit, but for now "fix" it in dl-fldigi
[20:27] <anerDev> I'm using 22KOhm resistor, because in the shop
[20:27] <anerDev> there isn't the 20 KOhm
[20:27] <fsphil> all good here Lunar_Lander, how's things over in .de?
[20:28] <daveake> That would make it narrower not wider
[20:28] <anerDev> but, I'm in the correct way ? watch this: http://d.pr/i/zdHs
[20:28] <anerDev> the shift is the distance between the yellow line
[20:28] <anerDev> ?
[20:28] <daveake> OK shift is ok now
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> everything good here was well, thanks fsphil
[20:29] <daveake> You have another error
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> a lot of snow here
[20:29] <fsphil> is everyone getting snow except me?
[20:29] <daveake> If you read the tutorial, the answer is there
[20:29] <daveake> Snow!
[20:29] <fsphil> it's windy and wet here
[20:30] <fsphil> silly gulf stream
[20:30] <daveake> Hello LL booked your flight yet?
[20:31] <mfa298> fsphil: no real snow here yet either so you're not the only one.
[20:31] <Lunar_Lander> xD not yet
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[20:31] <KT5TK_QRL> Very good gulf stream! We're launching on Sunday
[20:32] <KT5TK_QRL> almost perfect
[20:32] <fsphil> we're forecast to get some snow tomorrow I think
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[20:33] <anerDev> I'm searching the perfect shift
[20:33] <anerDev> but for now, nothing !
[20:33] <daveake> You GOT the right shift it's SOMETHING ELSE
[20:33] <mattbrejza> the shift is fine, try changing data bits to 7 or 8
[20:34] <anerDev> I'm changing in 7
[20:34] <anerDev> but nothing
[20:34] <daveake> 50 baud, 7 bits ASCII 2 stop bits <-- wot the tutorial says
[20:34] <fsphil> try pressing Rv
[20:34] <mattbrejza> are new characters showing up on the screen, sometimes fldigi hides new cahracters (right click on the yellow part and click clear)
[20:35] <mattbrejza> (and by hide the scroll stops scrolling and i cba to move it)
[20:35] <anerDev> I clear
[20:35] <anerDev> but where is rv button ?
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[20:35] <anerDev> found !
[20:35] <daveake> The scroll is broke in current versions. SSDV breaks it.
[20:35] <anerDev> bottom right
[20:35] <cuddykid> anerDev: try increasing the filter bandwidth a bit - say to 150
[20:36] <daveake> Shouldn't need Rv it's a single-output drive to the NTX2 and he has USB set
[20:36] <anerDev> work ! now there is this string: RTTY TEST BEACON RTTY TEST BEACON*CF08
[20:36] <daveake> woo hoo
[20:36] <mattbrejza> so what finally made it work?
[20:36] <Lunar_Lander> YAY
[20:36] <fsphil> daveake: non-printable characters break it :)
[20:36] <anerDev> the problem was rv button !
[20:36] <anerDev> i think
[20:37] <fsphil> that's odd
[20:37] <daveake> Do you have USB set?
[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> anerDev, may I ask a short question?
[20:37] <daveake> Because there shouldn't be a need to use Rv
[20:37] <mattbrejza> in the images it idles high, as it should for non-RV
[20:37] <mattbrejza> :/
[20:37] <fsphil> Lunar_Lander: stop asking to ask :p
[20:37] <anerDev> yes, i have usb dongle
[20:37] <anerDev> with pre filter
[20:37] <fsphil> mattbrejza: RTTY in fldigi I think is LSB
[20:37] <daveake> No not that USB
[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> anerDev, you are from italy I read?
[20:37] <daveake> "USB" mode in the radio prog
[20:38] <fsphil> in dl-fldigi set the mode to USB
[20:38] <anerDev> yes, from Italy (sorry for my bad eng)
[20:38] <mattbrejza> oh so now there are two RV buttons in fldigi :/ (that might have always been there)
[20:38] <daveake> really?
[20:38] <daveake> didn't notice that
[20:38] <fsphil> nor me
[20:39] <mattbrejza> ive never changed that option before
[20:39] <mattbrejza> even clicked on the drop down
[20:39] <fsphil> I only see one
[20:39] <Lunar_Lander> anerDev, so I say
[20:39] <Lunar_Lander> Congratulazioni!
[20:39] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:39] <anerDev> =D giusto !
[20:39] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:39] <anerDev> Lunar_Lander but there is a different between the tutotial
[20:40] <anerDev> in the tutorial the string is M6UPU RTTY TEST BEACON RTTY TEST BEACON
[20:40] <anerDev> and in my fldigi is RTTY TEST BEACON RTTY TEST BEACON*CF08
[20:40] <anerDev> why ?
[20:40] <fsphil> it will transmit whatever string you have in the program
[20:41] <anerDev> I'm using the same code
[20:41] <fsphil> it's one of its features
[20:41] <fsphil> in your code what does the message say?
[20:42] <fsphil> try changing it to see what happens
[20:42] <anerDev> ok
[20:42] <anerDev> one moment
[20:50] <anerDev> Now is this: Arduino RTTY test by anerDev*9E64
[20:50] <anerDev> Is the checksum " sprintf(checksum_str, "*%04X\n", CHECKSUM); "
[20:50] <fsphil> excellent
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[20:51] <daveake> good stuff
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[20:53] <anerDev> now work ! =D
[20:53] <anerDev> thank you guys !
[20:53] <dharnke_> Anyone know how to link ublox ucenter with my Ublox max6, or does it automatically show on the map
[20:53] <anerDev> so, the shift is the distance between the 2 yellow line !
[20:53] <fsphil> it is
[20:54] <fsphil> how is it wired up dharnke_?
[20:55] <dharnke_> i used an e.g. on ukhas website
[20:55] <dharnke_> where rx to 4 tx to 5
[20:56] <anerDev> what's e.g. ?
[20:56] <fsphil> e.g. = example
[20:56] <dharnke_> sorry, example
[20:57] <dharnke_> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:ublox6
[20:57] <fsphil> I'm not actually sure how to get ucenter and the max6 taking *though* an arduino
[20:58] <Upu> you can fsphil
[20:58] <fsphil> put both uart pins as inputs?
[20:58] <Upu> the Arduino is running null code acting as an ftdi
[20:58] <anerDev> thank you guys !
[20:58] <Upu> evening dharnke_
[20:58] <dharnke_> hi upu
[20:58] <Upu> just plug it in and select the Arduino's com port in uCenter
[20:59] <dharnke_> done
[21:00] <Upu> if its working you should seem some satellites and stuff as blue and evenutally green bars
[21:00] <Upu> and the clock should get a time
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[21:02] <dharnke_> also on the arduino com, the NMEA i get, these two lines repeating
[21:02] <dharnke_> $GPVTG,,,,,,,,,N*30 $GPGGA,,,,,,0,00,99.99,,,,,,*48
[21:02] <daveake> no lock yet
[21:02] <Upu> you need to close the arduino com down
[21:02] <Upu> then open it in uCenter
[21:02] <Upu> then put it in a window
[21:02] <Upu> it can't see any satellites
[21:03] <dharnke_> ok so i will close the arduino, and run it through uCenter
[21:05] <dharnke_> how do i get it to run on Ucenter
[21:05] <Upu> open ucenter and select the com port the arduino is on
[21:05] <Upu> afk a few
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[21:16] <dharnke_> Am i supposed to get $GPRMC and $GPGLL on the Arduino Com before connecting to uCenter Com
[21:16] <dharnke_> because when i set the Com on uCenter the scan button is disabled.
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[21:31] <anerDev> good night guys
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[21:41] <OZ1SKY_Brian> do anyone recall who send the last decode of the pico that went to Sweden?
[21:41] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SM5 something?
[21:42] <Lunar_Lander> do you remember the date of the flight?
[21:42] <Lunar_Lander> november roundabout?
[21:42] <OZ1SKY_Brian> i can´t recall
[21:42] <mattbrejza> http://habitat.habhub.org/ept/
[21:42] <OZ1SKY_Brian> i think so
[21:43] <OZ1SKY_Brian> uxaben
[21:43] <OZ1SKY_Brian> mattbrejza it was sent via email to james
[21:43] <Lunar_Lander> got it
[21:43] <Lunar_Lander> SM6MFA it says
[21:43] <OZ1SKY_Brian> where did you find it?
[21:44] <Lunar_Lander> I usually make screenshots of spacenear.us when flight days are over
[21:44] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:44] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ahh good
[21:44] <Lunar_Lander> one sec
[21:45] <lz1dev> Lunar_Lander: may I offer you a bribe
[21:45] <mattbrejza> if it was on spacenear itll appear on /ept/ if you can work out what payload it was
[21:45] <lz1dev> to make screenshots of http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/
[21:45] <lz1dev> :P
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> OZ1SKY_Brian, http://s.gullipics.com/image/h/c/b/5yvpmz-kj9xmp-250x/Bildschirmfotovom20121021174659.png
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> lz1dev, why :)?
[21:46] <lz1dev> i want feedback to improve it
[21:47] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:47] <Lunar_Lander> ohhh it asks if I want to tell it where I am
[21:47] <lz1dev> there is a chase car build in
[21:47] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:49] <Upu> it is undiluted awesome
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[21:53] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
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[22:05] <daveake> luvvit. text on the left looks a bit cramped (lines close to each other).
[22:05] <Upu> going to look great on a tablet though
[22:05] <daveake> Works nicely though. I've got it on my Nexus 7, and I've got a car cradle coming for that
[22:05] <Upu> it the location information works from anything
[22:05] <daveake> yep
[22:05] <Upu> i.e a PC with a GPS plugged into it
[22:06] <Upu> iphone etc
[22:07] <Lunar_Lander> but GOOGLE asks for my position
[22:07] <Lunar_Lander> thats scary
[22:07] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[22:07] <Lunar_Lander> (only joking)
[22:07] <jcoxon> grrr i can't get my arduino tnc to play with my baofeng uv-3r
[22:07] <jcoxon> it works with my ft817
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[22:12] <KT5TK_QRL> jcoxon: Do you have an audio spectrum analyzer? e.g on the phone
[22:12] <griffonbot> Received email: RG-lz1dev "[UKHAS] Mobile Tracking webapp"
[22:12] <KT5TK_QRL> Check the audio levels of the high and low tones
[22:12] <KT5TK_QRL> compare the two radios
[22:13] <Upu> incoming spacenear.us chase car spam :)
[22:13] <jcoxon> KT5TK_QRL, yeah i'm looking into that right now
[22:13] <lz1dev> :D
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[22:14] <jcoxon> lz1dev, hooray
[22:14] <KT5TK_QRL> Also make sure that Squelch is 100% open.
[22:14] <jcoxon> yeah doing that already
[22:14] <lz1dev> Upu: maybe i should add balloon tracker tab
[22:15] <lz1dev> so you can just attach the phone to a balloon
[22:15] <lz1dev> and go
[22:15] <jcoxon> so if i link it to my soundcard it works with qtmm
[22:15] <jcoxon> so it must be an audio out issue
[22:16] <KT5TK_QRL> I need at least audio level 2 on my baofeng
[22:19] <lz1dev> KT5TK_QRL> Also make sure that Squelch is 100% open.
[22:19] <lz1dev> this
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[22:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> gn all
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[23:08] <Spoz_> morning
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[23:19] <STRATODEAN_Mark> Hello All. Just a quicky to say that we have our website up and running now, http://www.stratodean.gov.uk, please take a look if you are interested. We are very much beginners so this is a 'beginners take' on the whole subject. We would also be greatful of some more twitter followers - http://twitter.com/stratodean! Thanks very much.
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[23:20] <Laurenceb_> is anyone here is feeling suicidal but can't quite summon the courage to top themselves...
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[23:21] <Laurenceb_> http://elsmar.com/Forums/forumdisplay.php?f=24
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[23:56] <Laurenceb_> http://www.mynewsdesk.com/se/pressroom/nordiclng/pressrelease/view/europes-first-public-lng-filling-station-is-now-opened-508802
[23:56] <Laurenceb_> niceee
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