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[00:18] <griffonbot> Received email: chris G7OGX "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Launch Friday from Denmark"
[00:18] <griffonbot> Received email: Ali al-Azzawi "[UKHAS] Bluetooth CAT gizmo for FT-817"
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[01:06] <arko> anyone watch stargazing live?
[01:06] <Lunar_Lander> is it on at your place at the moment?
[01:06] <fsphil> aye
[01:06] <fsphil> pretty good
[01:06] <Randomskk> anyone seen the new anamanaguchi release/video?
[01:06] <arko> i wasn't at work to watch it
[01:06] <arko> need to find a mirror
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[01:07] <fsphil> they had a bit at JPL
[01:07] <arko> yeah
[01:07] <arko> they interviewed my friend scott
[01:07] <arko> :)
[01:09] <fsphil> they're doing a balloon launch not far from here tomorrow
[01:09] <arko> nice
[01:09] <fsphil> or, techincally later today
[01:09] <fsphil> only spelled correctly
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[01:09] <Randomskk> fsphil: the BBC are?
[01:09] <fsphil> yea
[01:10] <Randomskk> is that the bbcskyballoon thing?
[01:10] <fsphil> that's the one
[01:10] <Randomskk> haha ok
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[08:23] <costyn> fsphil: http://imgur.com/gallery/v8S3T do you agree?
[08:24] <x-f> :>
[08:26] <fsphil> how'd you find my photos? :)
[08:26] <costyn> :)
[08:27] <fsphil> there's one factual flaw though, it's never warm here :)
[08:28] <costyn> hehe
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[08:41] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqJRzs5dc6Y quite of topic
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[08:52] <costyn> SpeedEvil: good stuff
[08:52] <costyn> ageless comedy
[08:53] <costyn> so guys, how do you ground your antenna's? what the consensus on lightning arrestors?
[08:56] <fsphil> there's so little lightning here I don't bother
[08:57] <costyn> hmm
[08:58] <costyn> we're going to place an antenna on the roof of our hackerspace, but it's not our building and we'll have to convince the owners that it's safe
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[09:18] <SpeedEvil> you need to ground to a separate rod, with a straight cable to it
[09:20] <SpeedEvil> thick insulated cable
[09:21] <costyn> define thick?
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[09:29] <gonzo_> you are only going to be able to disipate static with earthing. very little you can do against a direct strike
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[09:29] <griffonbot> Received email: NickB "[UKHAS] Re: DL-FLDIGI question"
[09:31] <gonzo_> most lightening arrestors are really just spark gap's, that allow some high voltage coming down the centre of the coax, to jump to the outer.
[09:32] <gonzo_> your typical short colinear is possibly going to be DC short between the centre and braid anyway. (You can test with a DVM)
[09:34] <gonzo_> long colinears are not much of an advantage for HAB use, so I assume it will be a short one. So will not extend much above the existing roof profile? So will not be any greater risk of lightening than anything else
[09:34] <costyn> gonzo_: it'll be a short one yea, Diamond X-50 likely
[09:35] <costyn> gonzo_: and it'll raise some above the roof line, but it's not a high building (2 stories) and there's higher buildings and trees around
[09:35] <gonzo_> not siure of your mounting options, but if mounted to existing metalwork up there, like handrains etc, it will be earthed to the building anyway (or at least the owners metalwork)
[09:35] <costyn> it's basically a flat roof with some outlets for hvac
[09:36] <costyn> so no existing metal work. we're thinking of using/making a stand with metal weighted down with tiles
[09:39] <gonzo_> then an extra ground wire would prob be worth adding. If the building or roof is metal, then that could be an option to earth to, or as SpeedEvil said, an earthing rod
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[09:44] <costyn> ok. thanks for the advice. will see what we can do. not even sure if we're going to get permission to route the coax on the outside of the building, so we'll see
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[09:54] <griffonbot> Received email: Dave B "Re: [UKHAS] DL-FLDIGI question"
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[10:04] <wibble_> FT790 has arrived :D
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[10:05] <wibble_> no idea how to use it but can't wait for the next launch!
[10:05] <costyn> wibble_: hehe :)
[10:05] <costyn> wibble_: well practice dialing the frequency in
[10:06] <costyn> wibble_: and make it so that you can get the audio out from your radio to your computer
[10:06] <wibble_> yes just getting dl-fdigi
[10:06] <costyn> wibble_: and get the waterfall working in dl-fldigi
[10:06] <wibble_> ok!
[10:13] <eroomde> it's a lovely radio
[10:14] <eroomde> as sensitive as anything you can buy new
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[10:28] <gonzo_> mk1 or 2?
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[10:31] <wibble_> mk1
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[10:41] <cuddykid> the glider/flying wing has at last been built :)
[10:54] <cuddykid> http://i.imgur.com/GFNeT.jpg
[10:56] <craag> That looks cool, what's the plan?
[10:57] <cuddykid> we're going to do some ground tests first and drop it from a hexacopter. Then drop it from altitude and hope for the best!
[10:58] <cuddykid> probably won't happen for a while yet - this has been in the 'planning' stage for a year now
[10:58] <griffonbot> Received email: GMT "[UKHAS] Re: newbie"
[10:58] <craag> Awesome!
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[11:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> Morning
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[11:08] <costyn> do people that browse/shop at sparkfun still fall for "50 channel" crap?
[11:08] <costyn> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11466
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[11:09] <UpuWork> nice unit.. in 1996
[11:10] <daveake> 16g? That's a payload that is :)
[11:11] <costyn> anyways, I take it back, apparently it's more subtle: http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/11884/how-many-gps-channels-make-sense
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[11:21] <gonzo_> wibble_, the old Ft290/790 are quite useable radio's. The big advantage over things like the 817 is, the 790 has very low current draw on rx. and with the internal C cells, will run for ages
[11:22] <gonzo_> the 817 with internal AA pack is a waste of time. You are better taking the batts out and using the compartment to keep sweeties in
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[11:24] <UpuWork> it lasts long enough to find a payload
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[11:29] <gonzo_> I've never had more than about 20mins from mine. And that was from new
[11:29] <UpuWork> on RX ?
[11:30] <daveake> Should get a lot more than 20 on Rx
[11:30] <UpuWork> yep
[11:30] <daveake> You are charging it, via the menu, right? :p
[11:31] <UpuWork> I've had hours when I knock the power cable out by accident
[11:33] <UpuWork> you can get one of these :
[11:33] <UpuWork> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Super-Power-DC-12V-Portable-6800mAh-Li-ion-Rechargeable-Battery-Pack-AC-Charger-/270983550838?pt=UK_ConsumerElectronics_Batteries_SM&hash=item3f17e0d776
[11:34] <UpuWork> actual capacity may vary wildly
[11:35] <daveake> I understand that the Chinese use one of these to measure battery capacities http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RANDOM-LOTTERY-NUMBER-SELECTOR-PICKER-GENERATOR-KIT-SET-NEW-/200868309486?pt=UK_Toys_Games_Games&hash=item2ec4af29ee
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[11:38] <UpuWork> at least dx.com are quoting real capacity now
[11:41] <gonzo_> yep on RX and using the 6hr charge via the radio
[11:43] <gonzo_> that's an interesting pack!
[11:45] <UpuWork> you have a broken battery pack gonzo_
[11:45] <UpuWork> big style
[11:45] <UpuWork> The radio I got from Tim was the same
[11:45] <UpuWork> it lasted about 5 mins on battery
[11:47] <gonzo_> that is a possability
[11:47] <gonzo_> I have a set of 5AH 7.4v LiPo's in a box with a boost reg. But with chinese AH ratings and the reg efficiency, I'm prob no better off than that Li-ion pack
[11:48] <gonzo_> prob buy one just to try it
[11:48] <daveake> Cheap enough to take a punt
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[11:51] <gonzo_> just to test the waters?
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[11:52] <daveake> Only if it's a float charger
[11:54] <gonzo_> well I took the plunge
[11:54] <gonzo_> and dived in
[11:54] <gonzo_> hope the transaction goed swimmingly
[11:55] <navrac_work> oh dear - I've stumbled in on another punfest haven't I
[11:56] <daveake> I'm sure there's a pile left to get through
[11:56] Action: UpuWork multistab
[11:58] <SpeedEvil> I just got a couple of deep cycle batteries for my ups. They are on float charge.
[12:02] <navrac_work> I'm going to finish this pico payload today - dropping olivia but putting in RTTY on SSB, RTTY on FM and GFSK in alternate packets.
[12:03] <Darkside> what transmitter?
[12:03] <Darkside> oh wait, is this your crystal pulled RFM22B?
[12:03] <Darkside> if you get olivia working with a constant-amplitude system i'd love to see the code :-)
[12:04] <navrac_work> Although the FM range will be dismal it will be interesting to see if it helps to find receivers when its abroad - and how much worse it really is
[12:04] <navrac_work> yeah its the xtal pulled rfm
[12:04] <Darkside> cool
[12:04] <Darkside> ok gtg
[12:04] <Darkside> will chat some other time
[12:04] <navrac_work> olivia was ok and stayed pretty locked in the freezer, but I don't trust it
[12:06] <navrac_work> upuwork: I'm using a conference board - how much can I guillotine off the top before I cut an important track? trying to save a few grams
[12:06] <gonzo_> have not had a good pun on gere for ages
[12:06] <gonzo_> hehe
[12:06] <gonzo_> here
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[12:12] <WillDuckworth> Hey navrac_work - sounds like a cool project
[12:13] <navrac_work> nah, more decided I wanted to do a launch and just throwing together a load of bits I've been working on
[12:13] <WillDuckworth> would be good to compare the different styles of transmissions
[12:14] <navrac_work> I'm tempted to get jcoxons country outline code and play the national anthem of the country its over
[12:14] <craag> lol
[12:15] <craag> Wouldn't you need the music broadcasting license for that? :P
[12:15] <navrac_work> copyrights expired i think on most of them!
[12:15] <mfa298> next you'll want an led array so you can display a suitable flag
[12:16] <navrac_work> well if i could get rocketboy to sell me a 100g I could project into the baslloon the colour of the flag
[12:16] <navrac_work> 3 focussed RGB led's should cover it
[12:16] <craag> That would be good.
[12:17] <craag> How easy is it to get hold of 100g balloons btw?
[12:17] <navrac_work> not easy over here
[12:18] <craag> Ok thanks.
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[12:57] <UpuWork> hey navrac_work
[12:57] <UpuWork> you're brave :)
[12:57] <UpuWork> checking
[12:57] <navrac_work> thanks
[12:58] <Upu> if you chop everything above the white name label you're ok
[12:59] <Upu> along the line
[12:59] <Upu> tracewidth 1mm
[12:59] <Upu> 1mm
[13:00] <Upu> there is nothing above C4 on the crystal
[13:00] <navrac_work> excellent - thanks
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[13:08] <nosebleedkt> Hi everybody
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[13:28] <daveake> Ouch http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20947868
[13:39] <Laurenceb> eroomde: ping
[13:40] <Laurenceb> i managed to replicate the oscillating control loop with a simulation
[13:40] <Laurenceb> behaviour is identical now
[13:41] <Laurenceb> looks like its a weird interplay of some goofyness in the stepper motor control and the pressure control
[13:41] <Laurenceb> something wrong in the stopping distance calculation in some conditions...
[13:45] <daveake> Ah, SWIFT is up
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[13:53] <eroomde> new board solderated up
[13:53] <eroomde> http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8226/8364771362_0ea4540f71_h.jpg
[13:55] <Laurenceb> im not sure what to make of that...
[13:55] <Laurenceb> it is well made....
[13:56] <Laurenceb> but its not going to win awards for light weight :P
[13:56] <fsphil> we've launched
[13:56] <fsphil> it's not a big balloon, not expecting amazing altitudes
[13:56] <Laurenceb> oh its a control board, i see
[13:56] <Laurenceb> thought it was hab
[13:56] <Laurenceb> good luck fsphil
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[13:57] <costyn> fsphil: nice
[13:57] <eroomde> Laurenceb: nothing to do with hab
[13:57] <Laurenceb> yeah
[13:57] <eroomde> i'm being off topic posting it here sorry :)
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[14:02] <WillDuckworth> ed - how are you measuing chamber pressure in those rocket engines?
[14:02] <WillDuckworth> +r
[14:07] <UpuWork> btw Swift is in the air
[14:07] <WillDuckworth> had to do a double take - fsphil got a notam?!
[14:07] <costyn> fsphil: mind the speedlimit sir, 250km/h is probably not allowed
[14:08] <x-f> fsphil, how come your launches are so silent? :)
[14:08] <Upu> http://ssdv.habhub.org/
[14:08] <Upu> live pictures
[14:08] <costyn> Upu: ooh shiny!
[14:08] <costyn> would still be nice to have altitude of the picture reported on that page :)
[14:09] <Upu> well funny you should mention that :)
[14:09] <costyn> Upu: because?
[14:09] <Upu> that was my idea too which caused daveake a week of work
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[14:10] <costyn> ha ok
[14:10] <daveake> lol Upu
[14:10] <costyn> I'd mentioned it to fsphil before, he said he would likely whip something up, but I guess he never got round to it
[14:13] <WillDuckworth> is it a pi based ssdv payload?
[14:13] <Upu> old school
[14:13] <Upu> Atmega 644
[14:14] <UpuWork> in your range WillDuckworth
[14:14] <WillDuckworth> i need to get that remote control thing going!
[14:18] <cuddykid> ah - is this the one for stargazing?
[14:22] <g0lfp> Curios speeds on the chase car? Or is it a helicopter?
[14:22] <costyn> https://twitter.com/BBCSkyBalloon
[14:22] <daveake> hmmm ... that happened a few days ago on another flight
[14:22] <costyn> g0lfp: something wrong with tracking app
[14:22] <daveake> Never happens to my chase car :p
[14:23] <costyn> ah its already on the way down again
[14:23] <UpuWork> daveake's speeds like that are genuine
[14:23] <cuddykid> yes - it's because the speed upload for chase car used to be km/h - not it's m/s
[14:23] <cuddykid> *now
[14:23] <daveake> lol UpuWork
[14:23] <daveake> Yep. Are we taking bets on which lake it splashes down in?
[14:23] <costyn> daveake: quite a lot to choose from
[14:23] <daveake> cuddykid Oh I'll change that in my app then
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[14:24] <cuddykid> daveake: yeah - sorry, it was when I was designing my app, spoke to the habhub guys and it seemed more sensible to upload in m/s and then convert to whatever server side
[14:24] <daveake> Ah your fault then!
[14:25] <daveake> Image 11 best IMO
[14:25] <cuddykid> :)
[14:25] <mattbrejza> i wonder if this: http://t.co/PyCNHSo4 had anything to do with a <20km burst...
[14:25] <eroomde> that is a sad panda landing prediction
[14:25] <costyn> eroomde: hehe yea
[14:26] <daveake> hah
[14:26] <cuddykid> just typing that mattbrejza!
[14:26] <cuddykid> probably
[14:26] <daveake> 300g with a lot of gas
[14:27] <daveake> https://twitter.com/BBCSkyBalloon/status/289014481189756928/photo/1
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[14:27] <UpuWork> added to my list
[14:28] <costyn> you can almost hear the twang of the line, that's how tight that looks
[14:28] <cuddykid> yikes
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[14:28] <daveake> The LOHAN test flight was very twangy, and pulling like buggery
[14:29] <Upu> yeah 5kg of lift is in "glad Dave was holding it territory"
[14:30] <costyn> woa
[14:30] <daveake> 3.5 IIRC
[14:30] <daveake> plus the wind pulling it
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[14:30] <daveake> Needed those gloves
[14:31] <cuddykid> yeah, that thin cord does eat away at hands
[14:31] <daveake> It'd have pulled Upu off his feet; he doesn't have my, er, "build"
[14:32] <UpuWork> still alot
[14:33] <daveake> Blimey that'sa sharp turn
[14:33] <cuddykid> yeah! bang on prediction too
[14:34] <daveake> Direction isn't!
[14:34] <cuddykid> true
[14:34] <daveake> Though it's turning again now
[14:34] <cuddykid> getting ever closer to those lakes
[14:34] <costyn> hope they're confident about the landing spot, because they'll have to go back if it doesn't change
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[14:35] <mattbrejza> lol phil's gonna have to to a u-turn any moment
[14:35] <mattbrejza> also have we had a lake landing before?
[14:35] <WillDuckworth> images 10 and 11 are good
[14:35] <daveake> Not sure. Think Steve's had one land in a lake.
[14:35] <daveake> Might have been a river; either way a boat picked it up for him
[14:36] <mattbrejza> oh ok
[14:36] <costyn> splishy splashy
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[14:36] <daveake> That's gone be close
[14:36] <daveake> -a+na
[14:36] <cuddykid> might be ok if it can get that patch of land below the bigger lake
[14:36] <number10> are the satalite images purposly poor for I
[14:37] <number10> NI
[14:37] <daveake> Can he get there from where he is?
[14:37] <costyn> number10: I was wondering the same
[14:37] <cuddykid> doesn't look like it
[14:37] <Upu> back across the border
[14:37] <Upu> fsphil you need to head back to the N3/A509
[14:37] <daveake> No, looks like he needs to get back on the main road
[14:37] <WillDuckworth> Irish roads can be.... interesting
[14:37] <cuddykid> lol
[14:37] <costyn> number10: but usually those sharper images have been taken from a plane, perhaps there never was a plane survey
[14:38] <number10> ah maybe costyn - I was just wondering about the security issues in the recent past
[14:39] <Upu> lake or power lines
[14:39] <cuddykid> lol, decided against the big lake
[14:39] <Upu> or trees
[14:39] <Upu> http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=54.1328,-7.4812&hl=en&ll=54.149052,-7.472483&spn=0.020083,0.038581&sll=52.8382,-2.327815&sspn=10.613487,19.753418&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=54.149052,-7.472483&panoid=kqX-ISPMyGh51Dke00qhog&cbp=12,343.38,,0,7.51
[14:40] <eroomde> looking at the sattelite view, it looks like google did the whole of northern ireland with a point and shoot camera out the window of someone's aeroplane
[14:41] <daveake> Phil's SSDV can probably improve on that for them
[14:41] <cuddykid> even apple maps beats google satellite on this one
[14:41] <cuddykid> actually clearer on iphone
[14:42] <UpuWork> if you are there fsphil head back up the A509 and then turn right down a dead end road
[14:42] <cuddykid> there are actually a few smaller lakes just where it's predicted to land (not shown on google maps)
[14:43] <cuddykid> but it looks to be just about ok
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[14:44] <WillDuckworth> got to be pretty much down now
[14:44] <daveake> It'll be down by now
[14:44] <daveake> Yeah ... 60 seconds needed to land from 500m, and over 2 mins since last sentence
[14:45] <cuddykid> area looks ok on satellite
[14:45] <UpuWork> too far fsphil :)
[14:45] <daveake> hah!
[14:45] <UpuWork> right!
[14:45] <UpuWork> this works well with the delay
[14:47] <WillDuckworth> twitter is considerably more delayed...
[14:47] <UpuWork> sat image from http://www.bing.com/maps/# is great
[14:48] <UpuWork> most likely in a field
[14:48] <UpuWork> http://binged.it/13iqQnE
[14:48] <daveake> Ah that's much clearer
[14:49] <cuddykid> ah yes, that's what was being shown on iphone
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[14:50] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hi
[14:50] <costyn> UpuWork: much better
[14:52] <daveake> Balloon updated :)
[14:52] <daveake> 53m altitude
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[14:53] <costyn> is it actually lying on the road?
[14:53] <craag> New image packet coming in.
[14:54] <UpuWork> its in a field
[14:54] <daveake> on a road
[14:54] <daveake> costyn You're right :)
[14:54] <UpuWork> sorry on the road :)
[14:55] <costyn> easiest pickup ever? :)
[14:55] <cuddykid> avoids the boat :)
[14:55] <UpuWork> other issue they nearly just ran over it
[14:55] <daveake> lol
[14:55] <daveake> One of mine the chute was at the side of the road
[14:55] <mattbrejza> we've had a balloon handed to us by a farmer, didnt have to leave the car
[14:56] <daveake> :)
[14:56] <costyn> mattbrejza: haha
[14:57] <costyn> mattbrejza: you win
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[15:10] <JoBrodie> haha, that's great - well done :)
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[15:32] <costyn> any news from the recovery team?
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[16:01] <anerDev> Hi guys !
[16:01] <anerDev> I need an information about hab filter from avaup !
[16:03] <navrac_work> somebody else might know the answer as a lot of us have them
[16:03] <UpuWork> 5v from the USB header is fine
[16:03] <UpuWork> sorry missed that q
[16:04] <UpuWork> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/63720513/Images/HAB/HAB%20Filter/IMG_0692.JPG
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[16:08] <nigelvh> Morning all.
[16:08] <anerDev> and if I use lm7805 voltage regulator ?
[16:10] <daveake> Not sure what the question is, but if you have a hab-amp without a regulator, and you have an external voltage souce of 7V or so (e.g. PP3 battery) then yes you can add an LM7805 to bring that voltage down
[16:11] <daveake> If you don't have a hab-amp, and you want to run from battery, ask Upu for that option
[16:12] <anerDev> I have the model, USB dongle, with plastic case ! http://d.pr/i/xC1i
[16:12] <daveake> Fine. So what's your question about the 7805?
[16:14] <anerDev> I can use the lm7805 voltage regulator ? or no ?
[16:14] <anerDev> for the hab filter power
[16:14] <daveake> You don't need to. You have 5V on the dongle. Use that.
[16:14] <UpuWork> morning nigelvh
[16:15] <nigelvh> How's things over there?
[16:15] <UpuWork> the option you picked you can put 5V in via the header from some regulator but I would recommend you just power it from the USB
[16:15] <UpuWork> getting dark nigelvh
[16:15] <daveake> A 7805 is only needed if you have >5V, which you don't
[16:15] <nigelvh> It's not light yet here. Also pretty rainy.
[16:15] <costyn> UpuWork: yea don't much care for it in wintertime
[16:15] <UpuWork> nice sunset though
[16:16] <costyn> really? i haven't seen the sun in more than week I think
[16:16] <UpuWork> yeah I know
[16:16] <UpuWork> it was actually sunny at lunch time
[16:16] <costyn> apparently it's going to start freezing here on friday
[16:17] <daveake> Starts here tomorrow
[16:17] <costyn> not looking forward to the usual carnage on the roads
[16:17] <costyn> for some reason people always need some time to get used to it, and until they do its jams everywhere
[16:17] <daveake> Good job Darkside is asleep http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/65184000/jpg/_65184348_helenwilletts.jpg :p
[16:17] <anerDev> thank you man ! :)
[16:18] <UpuWork> Australia is quite literally on fire
[16:18] <costyn> daveake: yea, read somewhere they'd had to introduce new colors for those weather maps as they didn't have any for 51 degrees (omg!)
[16:18] <nigelvh> Yeah... That's crazy.
[16:18] <daveake> They won't be switching to H2 anytime soon :)
[16:19] <nigelvh> lol
[16:19] <daveake> "A bush fire started yesterday after a weather balloon caught fire"
[16:19] <costyn> heh
[16:19] <nigelvh> 50 homes have been destroyed.
[16:19] <nigelvh> That's when you need insurance.
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[16:20] <daveake> "One of the balloonists was heard to mutter 'I was only testing that explosive cutdown'"
[16:21] <nigelvh> On the other hand, the hot temperatures would lend themselves to salt production. Lots of sea water in shallow coves and let it evaporate. Collect salt.
[16:22] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF3V-GHiJ78&feature=youtube_gdata_player not strictly on topic.
[16:22] <SpeedEvil> DIY CT machine
[16:23] <nigelvh> Meanwhile he's irradiating shit. Probably himself.
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[16:23] <SpeedEvil> naah
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[16:24] <SpeedEvil> he takes the 'brave sir robin' approach
[16:24] <nigelvh> Running away?
[16:25] <SpeedEvil> yes.
[16:25] <SpeedEvil> automate it
[16:25] <Laurenceb> he actually has a stepper motor that behaves
[16:25] <Laurenceb> much more impressive than anything else
[16:26] <nigelvh> I don't know what you've got of stepper motors, but I've also got one that seems to work.
[16:26] <nigelvh> I made it into a clock.
[16:26] <nigelvh> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACpA1XSbWTs
[16:27] <Laurenceb> im trying to make a linear actuator
[16:27] <Laurenceb> to be fair my issue is more with the next layer of the control code
[16:28] <Laurenceb> trying to determine the optimal position
[16:28] <Laurenceb> anyway... atm i can even get my printer working
[16:28] <nigelvh> I recall you having quite a conversation yesterday about it.
[16:28] <Laurenceb> monosation...
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[16:28] <nigelvh> I looked at the code, but didn't take the time to really understand what was going on.
[16:29] <SpeedEvil> was that the same positioner you were trying to use an overvolted servo to make?
[16:29] <Laurenceb> yes
[16:29] <Laurenceb> i gave up on overvolted servo - still too slow
[16:29] <Laurenceb> stepper is easily fast and precise enough
[16:29] <Laurenceb> controlling it is a pita...
[16:29] <Laurenceb> i can move 5cm in 50ms
[16:30] <Laurenceb> with 10N load
[16:30] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[16:30] <Laurenceb> and 10 micro precision :D
[16:30] <nigelvh> That's pretty damn quick
[16:30] <SpeedEvil> indeed
[16:30] <Laurenceb> it does draw over 100W peak whilst doing this
[16:30] <SpeedEvil> heh
[16:31] <Laurenceb> well, ~4A, 24V
[16:32] <SpeedEvil> how many times can you move that fast before the stepper melts?
[16:32] <Laurenceb> at the moment once every 2 seconds or so
[16:32] <nigelvh> 0.5 times
[16:32] <Laurenceb> after 5 minutes stepper is hot but not too hot to touch
[16:33] <Laurenceb> stepper is "rated" at 400ma, 2.5V
[16:34] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[16:34] <SpeedEvil> as long as you don't either thermally or over current demagneftise it
[16:34] <Laurenceb> yeah
[16:35] <Laurenceb> anyway, if i have a printer on a windows network, how can i connect from a ubuntu box?
[16:36] <Laurenceb> i need a "Device URI" to enter into the printer config
[16:36] <Laurenceb> dunno what the format should be - i have the printer details drop windows
[16:36] <Laurenceb> s/drop/from
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[16:38] <nigelvh> Try using samba to browse to \\SERVERNAME\printers$
[16:39] <Laurenceb> ok
[16:40] <nigelvh> it might also be \\SERVERNAME\Printers
[16:40] <Laurenceb> need to install samba first then?
[16:40] <nigelvh> Sometimes it's not a publicized share, so the $ indicates that.
[16:40] <Laurenceb> ok
[16:41] <nigelvh> And yes, you'll need samba to interact with windows file sharing
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[16:46] <anerDev> guys, I have 2 problem with fldigi setting ! who can help me ?
[16:46] <Laurenceb> nigelvh: so how do i get up the samba browser?
[16:48] <Laurenceb> nvm i see
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[16:49] <Marshton> Hey guys, I'm looking to purchase the NTX2 radio from upuaut for my HAB project and it says to speak to the friendly people on IRC, so here I am :D
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[16:53] <anerDev> hi Marshton ! What do you need ?
[16:54] <Laurenceb> hmm no luck
[16:54] <Laurenceb> cant detect any printers
[16:56] <Marshton> Well, to be a bit ignorant, a radio module which can transmit telemetry to the ground, and after a bit of reading, apparently the NTX2 is the best one to use, but the site I'm looking at buying from says to speak to the people on IRC for 'ordering options'
[16:57] <anerDev> no no, if you have any question about NTX2 you can describe there ! =D
[16:58] <Randomskk> Marshton: you wanna chat to UpuWork
[16:58] <Marshton> Ok, shall do
[16:59] <Marshton> Thanks! :D
[17:00] <eroomde> UpuWork was afk not so long back but might be back now
[17:00] <eroomde> he runs the sotre btw Marshton
[17:00] <eroomde> store*
[17:01] <Marshton> I figured he did, but alas IRC is new to me so I didn't realise you could send messages just to one person
[17:01] <Marshton> So out of interest, is everyone here a high altitude 'veteran', if you will?
[17:02] <nigelvh> Not everyone is a vet, but we've all got an interest.
[17:02] <nigelvh> Though there are a number of vets around
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[17:03] <domlin> i'm far from a vet :P haven't even done a launch yet, just very interested :)
[17:03] <eroomde> i suspect i'm more 'retired' than anything else
[17:03] <eroomde> but i've done a fair few habs
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[17:04] <eroomde> Marshton: re: personal messages, you've come to the right place in the main channel. Upu will PM you when he gets back
[17:06] <Marshton> Neat, a few months back I had the silly idea of getting involved with High Altitude Ballooning, I roped a few friends in and the next day we pitched it to my school who said they'd fund it. We've been working on it ever since and are just about ready to buy a transmitter :D
[17:06] <nigelvh> Where are you located?
[17:06] <eroomde> oh awesome
[17:07] <Marshton> England, Isle of Wight
[17:07] <Marshton> High School
[17:07] <nigelvh> Then you'll be well set. A lot of the folks here in the channel are over there (I'm in the US.)
[17:07] <WillDuckworth> Well, you've come to the right place
[17:08] <Randomskk> you might have some wet landings ;)
[17:08] <Marshton> Yeah, I suspect I'll pop in quite a lot, along with the other people I'm working with to ask questions and whatnot
[17:08] <Randomskk> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=9400c2f7ea09e72a5ba2a62f6ce0f8deeffc11cd
[17:09] <Randomskk> if you haven't seen it you should definitely check out the wiki on http://ukhas.org.uk
[17:09] <Randomskk> it has answers to all your questions ;)
[17:09] <Randomskk> but please feel free to come by this IRC whenever and ask
[17:09] <Marshton> And err, yeah, our teacher agreed to drive us wherever we want to go, so wet landings aren't much of an issue ;) I have seen ukhas and it's such a brilliant site
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[17:10] <Randomskk> does your teacher have a boat? :P
[17:10] <Marshton> Well my teachers have said that we drive them off a cliff, so I guess this time it could be quite literal
[17:10] <Randomskk> hahaha excellent
[17:12] <Marshton> Nah I expect that unless we can land it a bit more northernly we'll just drive up to a place well out of the way of say any urbanisation/ modern technology (planes etc)
[17:12] <Marshton> Like wales
[17:13] <number10> remember that you need to apply for permission to launch Marshton
[17:13] <number10> so you need to specify the launch site
[17:13] <Marshton> Yeah, I'm aware of that :D ukhas is brilliant :D
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[17:27] <anerDev> guys, who can hel me with fl.digi ?
[17:29] <x-f> just ask, please
[17:29] <anerDev> I doinwload from uk has
[17:29] <anerDev> I have set listen from mic
[17:30] <anerDev> in the main windows I ihave set RTTY from the menu at right of black/green display
[17:30] <anerDev> I play this audio example
[17:31] <anerDev> and this is the result: http://d.pr/i/6KGT
[17:32] <eroomde> anerDev: hit 'SQL' in the bottom right hand corner
[17:32] <eroomde> make sure it is off
[17:32] <eroomde> make sure the rtty settings are the same as specified in the audio example
[17:33] <eroomde> it looks wrong to me
[17:33] <eroomde> you can see by the width of the two red lines in the waterfall
[17:33] <eroomde> the red lines represent the 2 frequencies that fldigi is listening to
[17:33] <eroomde> and so you want them to be over the two yellow bars in the waterfall
[17:34] <anerDev> The audio example is from: http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
[17:34] <anerDev> this is the RTTY setting: http://d.pr/i/QXsD
[17:35] <anerDev> I move the red line, this is the result: http://d.pr/i/BELL
[17:36] <eroomde> ok, hit 'Rv' near the bottom right and see what happens
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[17:40] <domlin> aren't you supposed to set a frequency at the top, in the black box with the green text?
[17:40] <Randomskk> no
[17:40] <domlin> i might be wrong i've only used it once or twice
[17:40] <Randomskk> that's really only if you have rig control hooked up to a radio
[17:40] <Upu> sorted thanks eroomde
[17:40] <arko> http://www.fastcodesign.com/1671582/watch-an-ingenious-lego-machine-for-sorting-legos#3
[17:40] <Randomskk> and then it sets itself
[17:40] <domlin> aha
[17:40] <Upu> for the blink I've sorted Marshton out
[17:41] <eroomde> cool
[17:42] <anerDev> one moment
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[17:46] <anerDev> rv is deactived ! http://d.pr/i/Q8Bm
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[17:49] <eroomde> you mean you can't press it anerDev ?
[17:50] <anerDev> yes
[17:50] <anerDev> I restart the software
[17:51] <anerDev> nothing, I can't press ! I can press Lk
[17:51] <eroomde> odd
[17:52] <eroomde> don't press Lk
[17:52] <eroomde> we knew a guy who did that once
[17:52] <eroomde> you don't see him round these parts anymore
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[17:54] <anerDev> loool
[17:54] <anerDev> and now ?
[17:54] <eroomde> well, i'm not sure exactly what is in the audo sample
[17:54] <anerDev> but If i use USB dongle
[17:54] <eroomde> but perhaps try it with 7 bit ascii
[17:54] <anerDev> where I set to use usb dongle ?
[17:54] <eroomde> don;t start messing with USB dongles before you've got this biut working
[17:55] <eroomde> bit*
[17:55] <mfa298> anerDev: what rtty settings are you using, and which sample
[17:56] <anerDev> http://d.pr/i/DWJO this mfa298
[17:56] <eroomde> and this sample? http://tenbus.co.uk/icaruscapture.wav
[17:57] <mfa298> I've just tested with the short mp3 and it works here
[17:58] <mfa298> settings are mostly the same but I only have 1 stop bit
[17:58] <anerDev> the result
[17:58] <anerDev> http://d.pr/i/XC4z
[17:59] <mfa298> you might do better seeing if you can use something to route the audio internally rather than trying to use the speakers and mic
[18:00] <mfa298> for macOS you might find this helps http://cycling74.com/soundflower-landing-page/
[18:01] <mfa298> I used VAC (Virtual Audio Cable) on W7 to route the audio from the player to fl-digi
[18:01] <anerDev> ok, I'm downloading soundflower
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[18:03] <mfa298> I'm afraid I have no experience with it, I saw it recommended in a different forum and bookmarked it as a piece of useful software.
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[18:05] <anerDev> Installed
[18:05] <anerDev> one moment, I try fldigi
[18:07] <anerDev> this is the output: http://d.pr/i/lRB
[18:08] <anerDev> this is the setting of sound in the app: http://d.pr/i/AsJo
[18:08] <Upu> your shift is wrong
[18:08] <Upu> op mode -> rtty - > custom set shift to 425 or something
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[18:10] <eroomde> no he's had the right shift
[18:10] <eroomde> http://d.pr/i/BELL
[18:10] <eroomde> he didn't in an earlier one but we fixed that
[18:10] <Upu> oh ok
[18:11] <Upu> 8n2 7n2 ?
[18:11] <mfa298> 425 shift, 50 baud, 8n1 seemed to work for me testing it
[18:11] <eroomde> suggest playing with that
[18:11] <Upu> signal looks a bit rough
[18:11] <eroomde> anerDev: i have a screencap where you had 1.5 stop bits
[18:11] <eroomde> try setting it to 1 stop bits
[18:13] <mfa298> seems to work with 1.5 and 2 stop bits as well.
[18:14] <eroomde> oh
[18:15] <arko> http://ces.cnet.com/8301-34441_1-57562664/tethercell-magically-turns-aa-batteries-into-bluetooth-devices/
[18:17] <anerDev> I go to Op Mode > RTTY > RTTY -50
[18:17] <anerDev> this is the result
[18:18] <anerDev> http://d.pr/i/yLNs
[18:19] <mfa298> anerDev: you need to increase the shift - try 425
[18:19] <mfa298> the red lines need to match up the yellow lines in the waterfall
[18:20] <eroomde> oh yes you've gone down again
[18:20] <mfa298> If you go into the DL Client settings -> All Payloads (testing) and select icarus and press autoconfigure you should get all the right settings
[18:21] <mfa298> you might want to hit save once you've got things about right as well - then what you've set will stay if you quit and restart
[18:23] <anerDev> http://d.pr/i/ufNc
[18:25] <anerDev> after, I go to Dl Client > Configure > All payload > select icarus > press Autoconfigure > press Save > press Close > Close the fldigi > re open dlfligi
[18:27] <anerDev> this is the result: http://d.pr/i/Q1A5
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[18:28] <mfa298> looks similar to what I get on my screen.
[18:29] <mfa298> except the decode looks like "$$icarus,724,12:19:07,52.071851,0.253108,27539,36.11,113.8,17.7,-18.7"
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[18:30] <mfa298> I'm wondering if there's an issus related to language settings
[18:30] <eroomde> also why close and re-open fldigi?
[18:30] <eroomde> try setting it to icarus without closing and reloading
[18:31] <anerDev> ok
[18:31] <anerDev> just moment
[18:32] <anerDev> i do this: open fl-digi > go to Dl Client > Configure > All payload > select icarus > press Autoconfigure > press Save > press Close >
[18:32] <anerDev> this is the result
[18:32] <anerDev> http://d.pr/i/udXT
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[18:34] <x-f> dunno, works here
[18:35] <x-f> anerDev, how do you get the sound into the dl-fldigi?
[18:35] <anerDev> (one moment, I go to the bath)
[18:35] <mfa298> only thought I've got now is if there's a language/font issue
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[18:36] <mfa298> x-f: I think he's now going via soundflower (http://cycling74.com/soundflower-landing-page/), previously it was picking up the speakers via the mic
[18:37] <x-f> i use the soundflower here, too
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[18:57] <anerDev> here I am
[18:57] <anerDev> so, I use soundflower
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[19:05] <x-f> i would suggest a fresh start by removing dl-fldigi preferences file
[19:05] <anerDev> whre is the location ?
[19:05] <anerDev> can you send me the correct preferences file ?
[19:08] <x-f> open the Terminal and type "rm -rf ~/.dl-fldigi/"
[19:08] <x-f> dl-fldigi will create a new one on the next launch
[19:09] <anerDev> can you send me your .dl-fldigi file ?
[19:09] <anerDev> i do the command
[19:09] <x-f> you don't need my file
[19:10] <x-f> start the dl-fldigi now
[19:10] <x-f> set it up again
[19:10] <mfa298> anerDev: dl-flidigi will create a default, you then just need to put in the bits that are related to your location.
[19:11] <anerDev> ok, I0m setting this
[19:11] <anerDev> Port audio: capture soundflower (2ch) playback built-ouput
[19:11] <x-f> yep
[19:11] <anerDev> next > finish
[19:12] <anerDev> I have change only the first windows (with the name) and the capture method
[19:12] <anerDev> now, what i do ?
[19:12] <x-f> Modems > RTTY > 425 shift, 50 baud, 8 bits, none parity, 2 stop bits
[19:14] <anerDev> http://d.pr/i/U39N
[19:14] <anerDev> I press this: Apply after save after close ? or another combination ??
[19:15] <x-f> apply and save :)
[19:15] <x-f> it won't matter much
[19:15] <anerDev> ok
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[19:15] <anerDev> now I set RTTY from the menu (where there is USB) ?
[19:16] <anerDev> http://d.pr/i/lQpi
[19:16] <x-f> SQL off (not yellow or green)
[19:17] <anerDev> perfect
[19:17] <anerDev> after ?
[19:17] <x-f> Op mode > RTTY > custom
[19:17] <x-f> if that is correct, close it
[19:20] <x-f> start the sound file, place red lines above yellow lines on the waterfall, and it should nicely decode $$icarus and so on
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[19:21] <anerDev> ok, i'm trying
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[19:27] <anerDev> don't work ! http://d.pr/i/YI6M
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[19:27] <anerDev> this are the setting http://d.pr/i/qECK
[19:27] <anerDev> but nothing
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[19:29] <x-f> :/
[19:30] <x-f> i'm out of ideas, sorry
[19:31] <domlin> evening guys
[19:31] <x-f> evening
[19:32] <anerDev> waiiiit
[19:32] <anerDev> IT'S WORK
[19:32] <mfa298> anerDev: do you know what was wrong ?
[19:32] <anerDev> http://d.pr/i/Bv2M
[19:32] <anerDev> I have set USB
[19:32] <anerDev> not RTTY
[19:33] <mfa298> interesting.
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[19:33] <anerDev> O.0
[19:33] Action: mfa298 goes to test if setting rtty makes it fail
[19:34] <anerDev> http://d.pr/i/iZxu
[19:34] <anerDev> I think
[19:34] <anerDev> the audio file haven't good quality
[19:35] <anerDev> good dinner guys !
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[19:36] <mfa298> there can be a bit of tweaking the audio levels to get the best decode
[19:36] <x-f> setting RTTY in that dropdown makes it fail indeed
[19:37] <mfa298> I wonder if that's a difference between windows and macOS. setting RTTY on windows it still seems to work
[19:38] <mfa298> althoguh I think I'm getting a few more errors with it set to rtty
[19:39] <x-f> i get only gibberish now
[19:40] <x-f> anerDev, you won't get a much better audio quality from a 10 mW transmitter tens of kilometers away :)
[19:41] <x-f> anerDev, while we're on this subject, you might wan't to set AFC speed to "fast" and increase the "receive filter bandwidth" on the Modems > RTTY tab, it would help with decodes
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[19:50] <anerDev> thank you x-f !
[19:51] <anerDev> but this setting are valid for receive NTX2 signal ?
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[19:51] <costyn> evening all
[19:51] <costyn> anybody hear anything from our Saudi HABber Majed?
[19:51] <mfa298> anerDev: that's likely to depend on your code and electronics
[19:52] <mfa298> but you now have an idea of what you should hear and how to setup dl-fldgi
[19:52] <mattbrejza> costyn: other than he got it back after a 7hr round trip?
[19:53] <costyn> mattbrejza: no, I hadn't heard that yet :)
[19:53] <costyn> mattbrejza: that's quite a trip hehe
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[19:54] <costyn> but going through actual desert with dunes would probably result in that
[19:55] <mattbrejza> http://habhub.org/zeusbot/logs_highlighted/highaltitude.log.20130105.html
[19:57] <costyn> mattbrejza: ah thanks, hadn't thought to look there
[19:57] <anerDev> mfa298 I use the wiki schematic
[19:57] <anerDev> this tutorial: http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2
[19:58] <mfa298> the shift will depend on the voltages you get from the resistor dividers - but its easy to alter that in dl-fldigi if you need to.
[19:58] <anerDev> ok ok
[19:58] <mfa298> baud rate, bits, stop bits etc depend on your code.
[19:58] <Upu> the trick here is to understand the code
[19:59] <Upu> so then you know what settings you should be putting in
[19:59] <costyn> mattbrejza: thanks
[19:59] <Upu> guessing won't get you far
[19:59] <mattbrejza> np :)
[19:59] <anerDev> and where can I found the information about what's shift, stop bits and torher
[19:59] <Upu> is the code from the UKHAS site ?
[20:00] <costyn> speaking of shift, how does one get 425 shift on an RFM22b? seeing as 156hz is the smallest frequency adjustment possible?
[20:01] <Upu> you can use the frequency shift register
[20:01] <Upu> value of 3 = ~ 500
[20:01] <Upu> I wouldn't concern yourself too much getting exactly 425
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[20:01] <costyn> Upu: no, I'm not going to bother. I have a working setup with 460, good enough for me, but I was curious if it could be done
[20:02] <mfa298> anerDev: in simple terms the shift is the gap between the two frequencies in the rtty, i.e. the yellow lines you see in dl-fldigi
[20:02] <Upu> anerDev are you using the code from the UKHAS Wiki Arduino to NTX2 example ?
[20:04] <anerDev> Upu for now I'm using an example file, tomorrow I mount the NTX2 hardware
[20:05] <Upu> From here : http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2 ?
[20:05] <anerDev> yes
[20:05] <Upu> ok
[20:05] <Upu> in that code
[20:05] <Upu> is a line
[20:05] <Upu> for (i=0;i<7;i++) // Change this here 7 or 8 for ASCII-7 / ASCII-8
[20:05] <Upu> so unless you changed it thats 7 bits
[20:05] <Upu> then slightly further down you'll see 2 stop bits
[20:05] <Upu> so the code you're using is 7N2
[20:06] <Upu> and unless you changed it 50 baud
[20:06] <anerDev> 8 or 7 bit (depend from the line), 2 stop bits, 50 baus
[20:06] <anerDev> baud
[20:06] <anerDev> what's 7n2
[20:06] <anerDev> ???
[20:07] <x-f> abbreviation
[20:07] <Upu> 7 bits no parity (don't worry about it) 2 stop bits
[20:08] <anerDev> perfect !
[20:08] <anerDev> now I'm search a lesson, in italian, about the RTTY comunication ! =D
[20:09] <anerDev> for the NTX2 this are the setting: 8 or 7 bit (depend from the line), no parity, 2 stop bits, 50 baus
[20:09] <Upu> http://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=RTTY&action=edit&redlink=1
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[20:10] <Upu> sorry
[20:10] <Upu> http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiantismo#RTTY
[20:10] <anerDev> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioteletype
[20:10] <anerDev> thank you man !
[20:11] <anerDev> but in the fl-digi, in the RTTY submenu
[20:11] <Upu> http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=en&tl=it&u=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRadioteletype
[20:11] <anerDev> how can I create another voice with my personal setting ?
[20:11] <Upu> Not sure I understand what you mean by voice ?
[20:12] <anerDev> voice > RTTY-45 or RTTY-50
[20:12] <anerDev> i would like to add
[20:12] <anerDev> RTTY-NTX2
[20:12] <anerDev> with personal setting
[20:13] <Upu> oh you can't
[20:13] <Upu> you can do rtty custom
[20:14] <anerDev> ok ok thank you ! :)
[20:14] <anerDev> and what's the differente
[20:14] <anerDev> between the official dl-figi and the version from ukhas ?
[20:15] <Upu> DL=distributed listener of the Fast Light program
[20:15] <Upu> it downloads payload information and radio settings from a central server
[20:15] <mfa298> dl- has some additions that are HAB specific
[20:15] <Upu> and uploads strings you receive back to the central server
[20:15] <Upu> which allows you to put your payload on the map
[20:16] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi
[20:17] <anerDev> oh ok ok
[20:17] <anerDev> this server
[20:17] <mfa298> the original fldigi is used a lot in amateur radio for digital modes
[20:17] <anerDev> receive the information of many ballon
[20:17] <Upu> it does
[20:17] <Upu> http://habhub.org
[20:18] <anerDev> oh wow !
[20:19] <anerDev> and How can I upoload the information of my ballon ?
[20:19] <Upu> http://habitat.habhub.org/genpayload/
[20:19] Action: mfa298 is waiting for some comment about red weed on stargazing live
[20:19] <Upu> however
[20:19] <Upu> get one working first
[20:19] <Upu> and then we'll talk you through that
[20:19] <Upu> its easy to be overloaded with information first time you do this
[20:20] <Upu> so take it one step at a time
[20:20] <anerDev> yes yes
[20:20] <Upu> absorb and understand it
[20:20] <anerDev> sure ! I wanted to understand the varius function =D
[20:21] <anerDev> but, latest question for today,
[20:21] <Upu> go change the code so its 8 bits and 1 stop bit :)
[20:22] <anerDev> fldigi have the italian translation, but I can't found the setting of language !
[20:24] <Upu> we are always after people to translate the tracking guide
[20:24] <Upu> and we are missing an italian version
[20:24] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/
[20:25] <anerDev> I can translate the tracking a ballon page
[20:26] <anerDev> to italian !
[20:26] <Upu> please do
[20:27] <anerDev> ok, in this day, in my free time, i translate the page !
[20:27] <anerDev> =D
[20:27] <Upu> no rush thanks :)
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[20:28] <anerDev> why ?
[20:28] <Upu> I was saying "take your time"
[20:28] <anerDev> ah ok ok
[20:28] <anerDev> :)
[20:30] <anerDev> but for dl-fligi there isn't a italian translate ? because fldigi http://www.w1hkj.com/Fldigi.html have italian translation (but I can't find the setting !)
[20:31] <Upu> thats or FLDigi, out instructions are how to track using DL-FLDigi
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[20:34] <anerDev> ok
[20:34] <anerDev> I go to translate the page :)
[20:34] <anerDev> I go
[20:34] <anerDev> and thank you for this information ! We meet tomorrow =D
[20:35] <anerDev> good night
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[20:35] <Upu> lucky me
[20:36] <x-f> another satisfied customer
[20:36] <mfa298> at least he's keen and wants to be involved in the community
[20:37] <costyn> haha
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[20:39] <costyn> at least 'he who must not be named' hasn't been around lately
[20:40] <costyn> that was daveake's special nemesis
[20:40] <costyn> I don't actually remember his name, some guy from the UK who lived in Greece
[20:41] <fsphil> who didn't speak good english
[20:41] <costyn> fsphil: thats the one
[20:41] <fsphil> funny that I can't remember his nick either
[20:41] <natrium42> lunar_lander?
[20:42] <natrium42> j/k :D
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[20:43] <costyn> natrium42: nah he's German
[20:43] <costyn> natrium42: nosebleed is from Greece, but his English is quite good
[20:44] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YTMQh6Bl8c
[20:44] <SpeedEvil> physics is cool
[20:45] <costyn> fsphil: James Burton!
[20:46] <fsphil> that's the one
[20:46] <fsphil> thanks, I'd buried that memory :p
[20:46] <costyn> [09:51] <JamesBurton> were do you the 2 x 22k resistors 1 x 10k resistor 1x 4.7K resistor and the build board
[20:47] <Upu> haah
[20:47] <fsphil> even yoda would struggle with that
[20:47] <costyn> [08:59] <JamesBurton> i am asking so i know wot i need
[20:47] <costyn> comedy gold
[20:48] <mfa298> fsphil: don't you mean "Yoda stuggle would" ?
[20:48] <Laurenceb_> http://www.james-burton.net/
[20:48] <costyn> this guy was awful
[20:48] <costyn> http://habhub.org/zeusbot/logs_highlighted/highaltitude.log.20120726.html
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[20:48] <x-f> fsphil, how did the recovery go? was the payload really laying on the road?
[20:48] <costyn> fsphil: yes, we want to know!
[20:48] <Upu> http://www.flickr.com/photos/fsphil/8364495945/in/set-72157632477933251/lightbox/ <-
[20:49] <x-f> haha
[20:49] <costyn> brilliant!
[20:49] <costyn> :D
[20:50] <x-f> great
[20:50] <x-f> and the live pictures were nice too
[20:50] <costyn> anyways, gotta go
[20:50] <Upu> bye
[20:50] <costyn> bye all
[20:52] <fsphil> x-f: yep :)
[20:52] <fsphil> we nearly ran over it
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[20:52] <fsphil> the Spot GPS thingy didn't seem to work
[20:54] <fsphil> none of the gopros fogged up, but they had trouble opening the two that where in the case
[20:54] <Randomskk> fsphil: do you know if they managed to get insurance sorted before the launch?
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[20:54] <fsphil> I suspect they didn't Randomskk, I meant to ask actually
[20:54] <fsphil> I'm meeting them again tomorrow night, will try to remember
[20:54] <Randomskk> john mcaliskey asked CUSF about it on like monday
[20:54] <Randomskk> apparently BBC insurance was having problems insuring it
[20:55] <Upu> that doesn't bode well
[20:55] <fsphil> I'd mentioned to him that I've heard of schools and unis having insurance, but no individuals
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[21:02] <jcoxon> what was the launch for?
[21:03] <Upu> star gazing live
[21:03] <jcoxon> oh cool
[21:04] <jcoxon> on tonight?
[21:04] <Upu> tomorrow I think
[21:04] <Upu> fsphil should be able to let us know
[21:04] <fsphil> maybe a little bit tomorrow
[21:04] <fsphil> they where not 100% sure
[21:05] <jcoxon> what were they trying to achieve?
[21:05] <fsphil> pretty pics :)
[21:05] <fsphil> they got some nice video
[21:07] <jcoxon> cool
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[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[21:19] <natrium42> hi kevin
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[21:22] <natrium42> boogles
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[21:37] <arko> wooot!
[21:37] <arko> my env chamber arrived
[21:37] <arko> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ip76opekefvgr7y/20130109_132450.jpg
[21:37] <arko> it's really a pressure cooker
[21:37] <arko> but still
[21:37] <arko> i will be making instructions and documentation about how the setup was made and how it works
[21:37] <arko> which should be in my talk later this year
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[21:41] <arko> also https://twitter.com/NASAJPL/status/289100016960806912/photo/1
[21:41] <chrisg7ogx> Is xaben actively transmitting please?
[21:42] <Upu> it will be testing chrisg7ogx
[21:42] <Upu> Swift was up today but will have probably been out of range for you
[21:42] <chrisg7ogx> ok upu thanks may be worth a listen
[21:43] <chrisg7ogx> yes saw that one in Northern Ireland down at 1500ish i think
[21:43] <Lunar_Lander> hi arko, chris, anthony and natrium42
[21:43] <Upu> evening Lunar
[21:43] <chrisg7ogx> looking for 70cms yagi now lol
[21:43] <arko> hello
[21:43] <chrisg7ogx> good evening
[21:44] <Lunar_Lander> look what has changed on my payload http://s.gullipics.com/image/n/4/k/5yvpfq-kjuzwp-njv0/IMG6478.jpeg
[21:44] <chrisg7ogx> drizzly grey and orrible today talking about possibility of snow at weekend
[21:44] <arko> power connectors?
[21:44] <Upu> nice connectors those
[21:44] <chrisg7ogx> anderson poer poles/
[21:44] <chrisg7ogx> power
[21:45] <arko> im a deans connector guy myself
[21:45] <Lunar_Lander> yeah the power connectors and the Humidity sensor connection
[21:45] <arko> but they are heavy for habs
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[21:46] <chrisg7ogx> hat image worth keeping in a group of pix to dribble onto here on launch day vy interesting for newbies..
[21:47] <Lunar_Lander> also I tried to make a breakout for the HIH-6121
[21:47] <arko> any luck?
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[21:47] <Lunar_Lander> http://s.gullipics.com/image/m/u/b/5yvpfq-kju3c0-0h2p/Bildschirmfotovom20130108232637.png
[21:47] <Lunar_Lander> that is what I got
[21:48] <chrisg7ogx> what sort of matierial is used to tether a ballon at that height must be some pull on it?
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[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> arko, another attempt http://s.gullipics.com/image/v/u/1/5yvpfq-kju4ug-3or/Bildschirmfotovom20130109225755.png
[21:58] <chrisg7ogx> don't thinl theyre testing transmitter
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[21:59] <arko> neat
[21:59] <arko> getting it made?
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[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> yea I hope to
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> I sent it to a professor in Münster that I know
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> he asked if I can like avoid having two layers
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> and as you see I only have red connections now
[22:01] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> stupid question
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> a VIA is a connection between layers or is it also a hole in the board?
[22:01] <SpeedEvil> both
[22:01] <SpeedEvil> you need a hole to have a connection
[22:02] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[22:02] <arko> nice
[22:02] <SpeedEvil> as the connection is made by plating the walls of the hole
[22:02] <Lunar_Lander> he said that they have a riveting machine "but it isn't for putting through wires, only for VIAs"
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[22:04] <Lunar_Lander> but I assume that as you have through-hole connections everywhere, they can do that
[22:04] <SpeedEvil> that is a machine that takes little copper cylinders, and swages them onto predrilled holes
[22:05] <SpeedEvil> into
[22:05] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[22:05] <Lunar_Lander> like rivets on machine parts
[22:05] <SpeedEvil> indeed
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[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> another attempt http://s.gullipics.com/image/4/y/2/5yvpfq-kju4fr-olar/Bildschirmfotovom20130109231011.png
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> a friend suggested to try to avoid 90° bends
[22:12] <arko> yeah
[22:12] <arko> general rule of thumb
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[22:13] <nigelvh> Still got one by the cap. Easy to remove by reversing the bend angle.
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> ok
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> ah yea below the positive lead
[22:14] <nigelvh> Also, it looks like you could make that board a lot smaller. Save some cost.
[22:15] <Lunar_Lander> ok
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[22:15] <arko> yeah i was about to ask, why is it so big
[22:15] <Lunar_Lander> ah because it was the first try :)
[22:15] <arko> hehe
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[22:16] <nigelvh> Yep, boards are billed in square inches (generally) so the smaller you can make it, the cheaper they are.
[22:16] <nigelvh> Also saves weight for your balloon.
[22:17] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:17] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[22:17] <nigelvh> No problem. The first boards I made ended up a little larger than needed as well. Then I got used to how tightly I could reasonably pack things together and the boards get smaller.
[22:18] <Lunar_Lander> sounds good
[22:18] <nigelvh> Also, you don't have to take a screenshot to get an image from eagle. Go to File -> Export -> Image and it will generate a nice PNG of just the board.
[22:20] <nigelvh> Also, quick tip, open the properties pane on those two bits of text you put on there and change from "Proportional" to "Vector" if you don't, the next is going to be odd when the boards are manufactured.
[22:20] <chrisstubbs> Must be PCB day, just etched and soldered V0.2 of my tracker
[22:21] <nigelvh> the *text is going to be odd
[22:21] <chrisstubbs> Seems to be working fine :)
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[22:32] <arko> eroomde: you around?
[22:33] <KT5TK_QRL> chrisstubbs: Any photos of your self etched board?
[22:33] <chrisstubbs> Yeah hang on i will upload some :)
[22:33] <chrisstubbs> Didnt make the pads quite big enough, so excuse my soldering
[22:34] <KT5TK_QRL> Don't worry. If they look too good, I'll send you my layouts to etch ;)
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[22:39] <chrisstubbs> KT5TK_QRL http://www.flickr.com/photos/68579973@N02/sets/72157632483902666/with/8365017775/
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[22:40] <chrisstubbs> Toner transfer on magazine paper. Tried and tested method!
[22:41] <Elijah_> indeed :-)
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[22:42] <nigelvh> I'm suprised you get results that good. I've used the toner transfer method and it's always been horrible for me. Either too much and blotchy, or the toner lifts off. I moved to photo etching which works awesome.
[22:42] <chrisstubbs> I want to try label backing when i find some. I tried to use the shiny inside of an envolope today but the whole thing just stuck to the board :(
[22:42] <Elijah_> The magazine paper works good I think because it disolves in water pretty well
[22:42] <KT5TK_QRL> chrisstubbs: VERY NICE JOB!
[22:43] <chrisstubbs> I would love to give photo etching a go.
[22:43] <Elijah_> how are you ironing it on?
[22:43] <chrisstubbs> Haha cheers, worth all the swearing trying to solder those pads now
[22:43] <Elijah_> getting it evenly pressed is the biggest trick IMO
[22:43] <chrisstubbs> sandwiched between 2 sheets of normal paper
[22:43] <chrisstubbs> press hard with the iron on max heat and move it around
[22:43] <nigelvh> Yeah, that's what I was doing. Never worked well for me.
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[22:43] <nigelvh> Maybe you've got magic toner.
[22:44] <Elijah_> I use a kleenex or soemthing a little 'soft' like that, seems to help keep the pressure more even
[22:44] <chrisstubbs> had to tweak the printer setting a bit, my HP laserget 1300 will only print 1200 DPI in XP :(
[22:44] <nigelvh> Anyway, photo etching is pretty cheap and gets excellent results
[22:44] <Elijah_> yeah I bet
[22:44] <KT5TK_QRL> I like the stress relief for the power cables
[22:44] <chrisstubbs> Yeah, want to try getting some boards made some day too!
[22:45] <chrisstubbs> Haha cheers, i will find a photo of the state of board 0.1 :P power cables got destroyed
[22:45] <Elijah_> On a related topic, I had some boards made for me by circuits.io a few weeks ago
[22:45] <Elijah_> pretty cheap and they turned out great
[22:45] <Elijah_> Just send them an email saying you want to use your own gerber files or they can even take an eagle layout and do it that way
[22:45] <chrisstubbs> oo cool, i contacted the guy from Hackvana UPU uses, great prices but minimum of 5 boards ;(
[22:46] <Elijah_> or I guess you coul draw it up in their online editor but I already have all my stuff in eagle, soooo...
[22:46] <Elijah_> This is for 3 boards, $45 shipped and each board was about 2.5" x 2.5"
[22:46] <chrisstubbs> Ended up doing this in ExpressPCB becuase i know how to use it. Trying to teach myself Eagle too
[22:46] <Upu> but 5 boards will cost you 1/5th the price on 1 in the UK ?
[22:47] <Upu> on=of
[22:47] <chrisstubbs> Not bad at all
[22:47] <nigelvh> I've used oshpark which has minimum 3 boards. They come out well: http://digitalnigel.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/20121220-142806.jpg
[22:47] <Upu> 10 50mmx50mm boards is $18 delivered
[22:47] <Elijah_> I think if I was going to learn a cad tool again I'd go with kicad just because it's open source
[22:47] <Elijah_> and you're not limited on the board size
[22:47] <chrisstubbs> Yeah it was a great price, but seemed like a waste!
[22:47] <Upu> lol
[22:47] <Upu> they don't do purple though in fairness
[22:47] <Elijah_> that is pretty good
[22:47] <nigelvh> Purple is pretty sweet
[22:48] <chrisstubbs> Cheers for the amp btw Upu, will solder the connectors on tommorow and give it a try :)
[22:48] <Upu> nps
[22:48] <chrisstubbs> looks bigger in the photos
[22:49] <Upu> lol
[22:49] <Daviey> that is what i said to her!
[22:49] <Upu> indeed
[22:50] <chrisstubbs> Board 0.1 Came out fairly well considering. Still looks a mess though! http://www.flickr.com/photos/68579973@N02/8354773951/in/photostream
[22:51] <chrisstubbs> added things like voltage dividers at a later date and it just got too crowded. Maplin soldering iron wasnt helping things either
[22:51] <Upu> that looks neat actually
[22:51] <Upu> single sided too
[22:51] <Lunar_Lander> thanks nigelvh !
[22:52] <chrisstubbs> I dont know why i cut a 45deg lump off the corner, "save weight" must have gone through my mind
[22:52] <Upu> lol
[22:53] <Lunar_Lander> nigelvh, that worked http://s.gullipics.com/image/j/v/o/5yvpfq-kju6em-tvdc/HIHTest.png
[22:57] <Lunar_Lander> and this http://s.gullipics.com/image/0/o/1/5yvpfq-kju7kg-wcnl/HIHTest2.png
[22:57] <Lunar_Lander> it's 1.65 cm in width and 3.05 cm in length
[22:59] <chrisstubbs> While im here: Has anybody flown a cheap 808 camera before?
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[22:59] <chrisstubbs> ordered one last night to send up with the tracker, dont think my 200g balloon will take much more!
[23:00] <Randomskk> test the whole thing
[23:00] <Randomskk> a lot of 808s kick out a ton of noise
[23:00] <Randomskk> disabling GPSs
[23:01] <chrisstubbs> Brilliant. Haha. Cheers for the heads up will have to have a play with it
[23:01] <chrisstubbs> wrap it up in tin foil
[23:01] <Randomskk> yea
[23:01] <KT5TK_QRL> I've attached my 808 directly on the neck of the balloon. worked great
[23:01] <KT5TK_QRL> far enough from GPS and very stable spot
[23:02] <chrisstubbs> Nice idea, how well do they deal with the cold etc? about 30 mins run time i guess?
[23:03] <KT5TK_QRL> I just had a 1 GB card, so just ~10mins
[23:03] <Randomskk> heh, careful
[23:03] <KT5TK_QRL> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ7TvOIvtT0
[23:03] <Randomskk> probably use up all 10min between pressing go and managing to launch
[23:03] <Randomskk> maybe try and locate a bigger card, they're not expensive
[23:03] <Randomskk> (that said, really? 10 minutes for 1GB?)
[23:03] <chrisstubbs> Ok. i have a 4gb i can use so should get a fair bit on there
[23:04] <Randomskk> oh, right, yea, I got confused about who was saying what :P
[23:04] <KT5TK_QRL> I wasn't counting on geting it back. It was found 600 km from the launch location
[23:05] <Randomskk> nice
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[23:05] <KT5TK_QRL> Note that because it was on the neck, it was quite stable pointing only to one direction most of the time
[23:06] <chrisstubbs> Yeah that looks very stable considering
[23:07] <chrisstubbs> shame the picture breaks up so much towards the end, or is that just a YT thing?
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[23:08] <KT5TK_QRL> Yes, the original is much better. Youtube compression
[23:09] <Upu> chrisstubbs http://ava.upuaut.net/?p=306
[23:09] <Upu> night all
[23:09] <chrisstubbs> Ah ok. Right well im off now, take care guys!
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[23:10] <chrisstubbs> Upu: Aha yeah i think i saw that before. will definitely check it out
[23:10] <KT5TK_QRL> Yes, be aware that the 808 camera was about 4 meters away from the GPS. So be careful with QRM
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[23:18] <fsphil> ah man youtube are forcing the new layout now
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[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> that's not good
[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> btw I liked what they said on stargazing
[23:20] <Lunar_Lander> "I'm Brian Cox, he is Dara O'Brien. We may be insigificant"
[23:20] <Lunar_Lander> "And Wet"
[23:20] <Lunar_Lander> "But this is Stargazing Live"
[23:20] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[23:24] <fsphil> they had a nice clear night tonight
[23:24] <Lunar_Lander> that is cool
[23:24] <Lunar_Lander> did they watch anything?
[23:26] <fsphil> they had andromeda up briefly
[23:27] <Lunar_Lander> cool
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