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[00:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> and now upu script also working, THE OTHER WAY AROUND :-)
[00:09] <gonzo__> any news on what time habjoe will go up?
[00:11] <daveake> 10:30 ISH
[00:12] <Lunar_Lander> OZ1SKY_Brian, cool
[00:12] <arko> man it must be so nice to live in england rf wise
[00:13] <arko> we have so many mountains here that trying to talk to anything results in sadness
[00:13] <Lunar_Lander> arko, yea
[00:14] <Lunar_Lander> arko, when Apex Alpha flew from England to Poland, a friend of mine who is a ham could copy the balloon from here in Osnabruck until it crossed the Polish border
[00:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> arko its even better here i think :-)
[00:14] <arko> crazy
[00:14] <Lunar_Lander> OZ1SKY_Brian, do you remember Apex Alpha :)?
[00:14] <arko> OZ must be nice too
[00:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> highest point in Denmark is about 173meters, thats 567ft
[00:15] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[00:15] <Lunar_Lander> in Holland there are places which have negative altitudes
[00:15] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[00:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Lunar_Lander i remember apex alpha
[00:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> thats what got me started in habbing, hi
[00:15] <Lunar_Lander> I think you got the reception distance record?
[00:15] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[00:15] <Lunar_Lander> and it was my first and only balloon so far that I could receive
[00:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> thats not apex alpha anymore
[00:16] <OZ1SKY_Brian> but a german one :-)
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[00:16] <OZ1SKY_Brian> PYSY
[00:17] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 800.3km
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[00:22] <gonzo__> ta daveake
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[00:53] <OZ1SKY_Brian> gps get pretty warm when running at 3.3v, so better test with 5v
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[00:57] <arko> http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/03/g-form-drops-a-case-protected-ipod-touch-from-100000-feet/
[00:58] <arko> would have been easier to drop it from a helicopter
[00:58] <arko> coefficent of drag would include the balloon and that pillow case
[01:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hehe yes
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[01:02] <Lunar_Lander> btw arko OZ1SKY_Brian
[01:02] <arko> odds are it probably wouldn't survive terminal velocity
[01:02] <Lunar_Lander> from december http://s.gullipics.com/image/5/v/a/5yvpso-kjj8wl-z2un/IMG6311.jpeg
[01:02] <arko> hehe
[01:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> fema?
[01:02] <Lunar_Lander> F = m* a
[01:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> oh
[01:02] <arko> lol
[01:03] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes saw now, hehe
[01:03] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes motion law and its not moving, hehe
[01:04] <Lunar_Lander> yea xD
[01:04] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok one step closer now i got some data from the gps, just wonder what the heck is wring with those pins
[01:04] <Lunar_Lander> and lab end of november http://s.gullipics.com/image/t/c/b/5yvpso-kjj8g2-p1ja/IMG6257.jpeg
[01:05] <OZ1SKY_Brian> could be my table :-)
[01:05] <OZ1SKY_Brian> weller and fluke, good stuff
[01:06] <Lunar_Lander> yea :)
[01:06] <Lunar_Lander> below the batteries is a Siemens multimeter :)
[01:06] <Lunar_Lander> a old one ;)
[01:06] <OZ1SKY_Brian> whats that. a yeasu ft something?
[01:07] <Lunar_Lander> FT-790R
[01:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> fb
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[01:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> goodnight all and thanks for the help tonight
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[04:16] <arko> ugg
[04:16] <arko> parsing this mic-e packet is a pain in the ass
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[04:18] <Dark3D> mach232
[04:27] <KF7FER> how about http://www.aprs-is.net/javAPRS/mice_parser.aspx?
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[04:28] <KF7FER> or even worse, perhaps http://www.aprs.org/txt/APRS-parser.txt
[04:30] <KF7FER> of course that doesn't make the actual coding of the parser any easier or anything
[04:30] <KF7FER> you'd think there would be some good code out there already to do that
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[04:52] <arko> KF7FER: i got APRS:FAP working
[04:52] <arko> but when i put in the raw packet, it just breaks
[04:52] <arko> since it has all these " '
[04:54] <arko> and semi colons
[04:54] <arko> uggg
[05:16] <arko> you know what
[05:16] <arko> i got it
[05:16] <arko> and now
[05:16] <arko> im going to make a website where you throw the damn packet in, and it will spit out all the info
[05:16] <arko> google maps, telelmetry
[05:16] <arko> etc
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[05:43] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr7bPmGTQUk&feature=youtube_gdata_player oops
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[05:54] <x-f> well, that escalated explosively quickly
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[06:01] <SpeedEvil> quite.
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[06:36] <arko> muhahahaha!!!
[06:36] <arko> i have a mic-e decoder website running now
[06:36] <arko> i just need to get it on my public server when i get to the lab
[06:36] <arko> put in garbage looking mic-e packet
[06:37] <arko> out comes pretty lat long alt
[06:37] <KF7FER> arko: nice work. I use APRS but I've never seen a mic-e packet
[06:38] <KF7FER> sorry I wasn't much help earlier
[06:39] <Darkside> arko: ahh, the encoded stuff/
[06:39] <Darkside> base-91 or whatever
[06:39] <Darkside> both my APRS units output that
[06:42] <arko> KF7FER its all good
[06:42] <arko> Darkside: yep!
[06:43] <arko> it's so stupid
[06:43] <Upu> morning all
[06:43] <arko> i was suck trying to figure out how to decode it
[06:43] <arko> so i installed APRS:FAP and wrote a perl script
[06:43] <Darkside> mm, i haven't really looked at it
[06:43] <Darkside> but my car tracker and my handheld output it
[06:43] <arko> oh neat
[06:43] <Darkside> and i think trackuino will do it too now
[06:43] <arko> ya
[06:43] <arko> the tiny trak too
[06:44] <Darkside> yeah
[06:44] <arko> finally people can just drop the packet into this and see lat long alt
[06:44] <Darkside> my car tracker is an opentracker USB
[06:44] <arko> as a back up
[06:44] <arko> incase they get a recording or something
[06:44] <Darkside> handheld is a kenwood TH-D72
[06:44] <arko> and want it in english
[06:44] <arko> or human readable :)
[06:44] <arko> oh snap
[06:44] <arko> i should add a google map pin point on it
[06:47] <KF7FER> arko: If you're looking for a more modern tracking solution, I've taken an old 2m HT (Icom IC-2AT) connected to a Coastal Chipworks TNC-X with their Bluetooth module and then connected to a Nexus 7 running APRSdroid...
[06:48] <KF7FER> just thinking back to your comment that most APRS software was written in the 90's ;-)
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[07:01] <costyn> morning
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[08:12] <arko> heh good idea
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[08:15] <nosebleedkt> hi everyon
[08:33] <arko> oh hell ya
[08:33] <arko> xfiles on netflix
[08:33] <arko> hello
[08:34] <costyn> arko: netflix = usa only unfortunately
[08:34] <Habjoe> Hi all, just to repeat post of yesterday. Currently planning a launch today (Friday 4/12013) at approx 10:30am from Malvern - 52.11352,-2.31611, flight documents on habitat as 'Habjoe One' and CAA notam in place.. Transmitting on 434.650mhz, carrier shift, 850. RTTY 50 baud,7bit + 2 stop bits. Expected altititude 30km landing forcast today 51.6449,-1.1467 (Dorchester). Any helpwith
[08:34] <Habjoe> tracking appreciated. contact mobile is 07500 607336.
[08:35] <arko> costyn: oh yeah hah
[08:35] <zyp> costyn, not entirely true, they are expanding into other countries now
[08:35] <costyn> zyp: I see
[08:35] <fsphil> netflix operate in the uk too
[08:35] <zyp> I've heard it's available here in Norway now, but I haven't tried it out myself
[08:35] <Darkside> Habjoe: have you made a flight document?
[08:35] <Darkside> oh ok i see you have
[08:35] <costyn> fsphil: I didn't know
[08:36] <x-f> Habjoe, post this information on the mailing list, too
[08:36] <fsphil> I've not bothered, my internet is too expensive to be streaming lots of HD video :)
[08:36] <x-f> HD is overrated :>
[08:37] <costyn> no way I love me HD's
[08:37] <zyp> fsphil, you pay for amount of transferred data?
[08:37] Action: Darkside is watching Contact again
[08:37] <fsphil> zyp: yep
[08:37] <zyp> why?
[08:37] <Darkside> such an awesome movie
[08:37] <costyn> Darkside: it is
[08:37] <fsphil> hah, watched that a few nights ago
[08:38] <Darkside> the book is better than the movie
[08:38] <Darkside> but the movie is still pretty good
[08:38] <fsphil> zyp: no decent ISP in the UK are inmetered
[08:38] <fsphil> unmetered*
[08:38] <zyp> what.
[08:38] <fsphil> they are all capped
[08:38] <fsphil> or slow
[08:39] <fsphil> pick one ;)
[08:39] <costyn> i guess I should consider myself lockey then, mine is not really fast, but they've never complained about untold gigabytes of data I've downloaded
[08:39] <zyp> no thanks, I'm pretty happy with my unmetered fast ISP
[08:39] <zyp> may I ask how large cap you have?
[08:39] <fsphil> I can dream
[08:40] <fsphil> about 50Gb
[08:40] <fsphil> /month
[08:40] <costyn> heck, ISPs are rolling out fiber with 100mbit symmetrical service in many places here. not in my area unfortunately
[08:40] <x-f> how many £'s do they want for that?
[08:40] <Habjoe> hi. x-f. Would you be able to post to mail list. I don't seem to have details at hand. would be much appreciated.
[08:41] <UpuWrk> I'm on a 90Gb but 8pm till 8am I'm unmetered
[08:42] <x-f> Habjoe, i could do that, but - https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/ukhas - sign in, create a new topic and that's it
[08:43] <x-f> Habjoe, you'd get more trackers for the flight, because not everybody, who can track, are in this chatroom
[08:43] <fsphil> hmmm... did I leave my radio on at home
[08:44] <UpuWrk> is there a launch ?
[08:44] <fsphil> yep, Habjoe is launching at 10:30
[08:44] <fsphil> ISH
[08:45] <UpuWrk> where from ?
[08:45] <fsphil> Malvern
[08:46] <fsphil> in the south west, not too far from dave
[08:46] <UpuWrk> I'll engage the remote power to my equipment (the wife)
[08:46] <costyn> haha
[08:46] <fsphil> yep, radio is on
[08:47] <UpuWrk> I'll sort the map out
[08:47] <UpuWrk> did I miss the mail ?
[08:47] <fsphil> there hasn't been one yet
[08:47] <number10> I cant remember seeing one
[08:47] <fsphil> I think Habjoe is writing one now?
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[08:47] <fsphil> man that's a wide shift
[08:47] <number10> weekday launch needs a little bit of advaned warning
[08:47] <fsphil> 850hz
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[08:51] <costyn> is habjoe a new guy? I haven't seen him here much before?
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[09:06] <fsphil> that chase car will have trouble keeping up
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[09:15] <WillDuckworth> managed to smuggle my handhld radio into work today - see if i can get a signal in the office
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[09:17] <UpuWrk> I'll update spacenear etc when we get some details
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[09:21] <Darkside> hehehe
[09:21] <Darkside> "Wanna take a ride?"
[09:29] <daveake> I see that there's a chase car in Karachi. He's going to struggle to get to today's launch.
[09:40] <Habjoe> Hi all, just to repeat earlier post. Planning a launch today (Friday 4/12013) at approx 10:30am from Malvern - 52.11352,-2.31611, flight documents on habitat as 'Habjoe One' and CAA notam in place.. Transmitting on 434.650mhz, carrier shift, 850. RTTY 50 baud,7bit + 2 stop bits. Expected altititude 30km landing forcast today 51.6449,-1.1467 (Dorchester). Almost constant telemetry
[09:40] <Habjoe> strings.Any helpwith tracking appreciated - sorry didn't email - and realise late notice re weekday. Contact mobile is 07500 607336. No that's not my car in Karachi!
[09:41] <griffonbot> Received email: Kristaps "[UKHAS] HABJOE flight, January 4th (today)"
[09:42] <daveake> Cool. Good luck!
[09:43] <Habjoe> thanks.... this is far far more difficult than I thought it would be when I started....!!!!!! but more of that another time.
[09:43] <daveake> So 12:30 then? :)
[09:44] <Habjoe> no 10:30... to 11!
[09:44] <WillDuckworth> ish
[09:46] <UpuWrk> Super
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[09:52] <x-f> hmm.. dl-fldigi put me on the map, but doesn't want to update the flight list, says "W: warning: hbtUT Caught runtime_error: Invalid response: bad key in row"
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[10:09] <junderwood_M0JCU> leaving the radio unattended so hopefully HABJOE will drift through the passband
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[10:17] <fsphil> has that ever happened junderwood_M0JCU?
[10:17] <junderwood_M0JCU> I think I've got lucky once or twice
[10:17] <junderwood_M0JCU> Once it has the signal, it will track it
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[10:25] <fsphil> mmm, scrambled egg is a good breakfast
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[10:28] <gonzo__> yep, but not for a HAB day!
[10:28] <gonzo__> there must be pig in there
[10:29] <GMT> hmmm ... cooked breakfast - the chicken is involved but the pig is committed
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[10:30] <gonzo__> hehe. Nicely put
[10:31] <GMT> any news from HABJOE yet?
[10:37] <fsphil> no news
[10:37] <fsphil> we're into ISH time
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[10:37] <fsphil> but that's perfectly normal :)
[10:37] <fsphil> my last flight was six hours late .....
[10:39] <GMT> ah, yes - the fabled 'ish' time! but it doesn't even appear on the map yet, so I presume that he/it is out of range of an internet; just have to keep waiting.
[10:40] <gonzo__> a suggestion of 11am, but as phil says......
[10:41] <fsphil> this is also a first launch for Habjoe
[10:41] <fsphil> those can be stressful :)
[10:41] <gonzo__> and the enthusiastic under-estimation of how much needs doing
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[10:42] <fsphil> or how long it actually takes to fill a big balloon
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[10:47] <cuddykid> not far from me
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[10:47] <cuddykid> I'm about 10miles from malvern
[10:48] <fsphil> you might hear it on the ground
[10:48] <cuddykid> I'll get the radio set up
[10:49] <cuddykid> heh, I can faintly hear it on the whip inside :D
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[10:51] <fsphil> good sign!
[10:52] <GMT> fsphil - I take it you've heard nothing more from your flight a few days ago?
[10:52] <fsphil> not a peep GMT
[10:52] <fsphil> I suspect it's lost
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[10:53] <x-f> Schrodinger's balloon - might be over Pacific as well
[10:53] <Gadget-Mac> This might be of interest for some: http://linitx.com/product/13265
[10:53] <fsphil> first balloon to make it from the UK to the US ... until it's found in Cornwall anyway :)
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[10:57] <gonzo__> would that need a cat as a payload?
[10:58] <STRATODEAN_Mark_> is HABJOE in the air?
[11:01] <mfa298> it's not a good sign when the switch mode PSU for the radio lets out the magic smoke :(
[11:02] <fsphil> smoke is generally not a good sign, except for a smoke machine
[11:02] <mfa298> Now I'll have to re-arrange stuff to make space for the linear PSU.
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[11:03] <mfa298> hopefully the radio is still alright (it was on at the point i pulled out the power lead from the psu.
[11:03] <junderwood_M0JCU> HABJOE is in the air
[11:03] <junderwood_M0JCU> Shift is about 920
[11:04] <fsphil> haha
[11:04] <junderwood_M0JCU> tones are reversed
[11:04] <Habjoe> yes. sorry .. thanks!!!!!
[11:04] <STRATODEAN_Mark_> ok, nothing on the tracker site at the mo?
[11:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> Still on .650
[11:04] <junderwood_M0JCU> 5km. Definitely missed that launch
[11:05] <Upu_M0UPU> no count
[11:05] <Upu_M0UPU> got i here
[11:05] <junderwood_M0JCU> dial freq is 434.650.000
[11:05] <Habjoe> sorry tones reversed for some reason!!
[11:05] <junderwood_M0JCU> Predicted landing spot looks like RAF Benson
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[11:06] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/sey54.jpg
[11:07] <fsphil> ISS/
[11:07] <fsphil> ?
[11:07] <Darkside> yep
[11:07] <cuddykid> hear it loud and clear here - booting fldigi
[11:07] <cuddykid> huge shift :P
[11:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup hearing it in Worthing
[11:08] <STRATODEAN_Mark_> How long do you think it will be up for/
[11:08] <STRATODEAN_Mark_> ?
[11:08] <fsphil> a few potentials on the waterfall here
[11:09] <cuddykid> got it
[11:09] <cuddykid> 1st string uploaded :)
[11:09] <cuddykid> WillDuckworth: ping
[11:09] <WillDuckworth> yo
[11:10] <GMT> audible in London!
[11:10] <cuddykid> hiya WIll - didn't realise there was a launch so close to us!
[11:10] Nick change: fsphil -> fsphil_MI0VIM
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[11:11] <WillDuckworth> only clocked it the other day - shame it's a work day for me
[11:11] <mfa298> don't you just have the smell of fried electrolytic in the morning: http://imgur.com/R7eT1
[11:11] <mfa298> s/have/hate
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[11:12] <GMT> successfull upload from London
[11:12] <daveake> lots of crc errors in the logtail
[11:13] <daveake> maybe a weak signal Upu?
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[11:13] <Upu_M0UPU> very strong here
[11:13] <daveake> ok
[11:13] <daveake> Strange that the map only shows 1 listener at a time
[11:13] <cuddykid> yep
[11:14] <cuddykid> looks like it should be an interesting flight
[11:14] <junderwood_M0JCU> no sequence number in the telemetry. Does that make a difference?
[11:14] <GMT> if it lands where predicted I can probably go and retrieve (or guard!); it's not too far
[11:14] <G3VZV_Graham> strong signal here in MK but no decodes - am investigating!
[11:15] <junderwood_M0JCU> G3VZV_Graham, RV (reverse)
[11:15] <navrac_work> i thought it needed the sequence number?
[11:15] <cuddykid> yeah, need to hit RV
[11:15] <Upu_M0UPU> hit RV
[11:16] <cuddykid> bbl
[11:16] <Upu_M0UPU> it does a wierd thing too
[11:16] <Upu_M0UPU> transmitts $$HA then starts again
[11:16] <G3VZV_Graham> or change to LSB - many thanks!
[11:16] <cuddykid> spotted that too Upu_M0UPU
[11:16] <GMT> UPU, glad you noticed that, I thought it was just me!
[11:17] <daveake> Yeah I had to set Rv
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[11:17] <daveake> And yes I saw the $HA earlier
[11:17] <G3VZV_Graham> sounds like lots of wind up there mega doppler and flutter on the signal
[11:19] <fsphil_MI0VIM> got it
[11:19] <fsphil_MI0VIM> 820hz shift?
[11:19] <navrac_work> odd - im showing telemetry upload successfully - but im not on the map or in the logtail
[11:19] <Upu_M0UPU> it has been reported
[11:20] <GMT> more like 920 shift
[11:20] <fsphil_MI0VIM> hmm.. I've got two lines 820hz apart
[11:21] <Upu_M0UPU> thats it
[11:21] <G3VZV_Graham> also sees 920Hz shift and am not appearing on the map:(
[11:22] <fsphil_MI0VIM> ah yes, 920hz
[11:22] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I had a third line between them
[11:22] <Upu_M0UPU> its a very wobbly but strong signal
[11:22] <GMT> phil, you decding okay? how far from you?
[11:23] <fsphil_MI0VIM> no decodes yet, not long on the waterfall
[11:23] <fsphil_MI0VIM> shouldn't take long
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[11:23] <fsphil_MI0VIM> hmm.. technically it's below my horizon
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[11:26] <fsphil_MI0VIM> you're right about the wobbly
[11:26] <navrac_work> odd, im in the callsign pie but not on the map - my location and height look right - any other ideas?
[11:27] <fsphil_MI0VIM> here we go, $$HaaJOE,11:}7v
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[11:27] <G3VZV_Graham> no ideas - It is the same for me here so it is not you!
[11:27] <navrac_work> ah altitude is getting lost between restaqrts
[11:27] <fsphil_MI0VIM> the map is saying I was last seen 2 hours ago
[11:27] <Upu_M0UPU> its only showing one tracker at once as its missing the count field in telemetry
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[11:29] <daveake> ah
[11:30] <STRATODEAN_Mark> I'm going to give my first tracking a go in about 40 mins, I'm in the forest of dean so nice and close to this paylod
[11:30] <GMT> it might be all over in 40 mins!
[11:30] <STRATODEAN_Mark> haha o
[11:31] <STRATODEAN_Mark> k
[11:31] <fsphil_MI0VIM> signal improving here, getting about half the string
[11:31] <fsphil_MI0VIM> oh yea, $$HA$$HABJO ...
[11:31] <STRATODEAN_Mark> lunch time cant come quick enough lol
[11:31] <fsphil_MI0VIM> that's really odd
[11:31] <GMT> in FLDIGI, it there a way to record the decoded data? I can record the audio, but what about the decoded rtty?
[11:32] <fsphil_MI0VIM> you can save the text window, right click and Save As...
[11:32] <GMT> what about recording/saving as it goes?
[11:32] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I think there's an option to save to a log file automatically
[11:32] <fsphil_MI0VIM> got a string!
[11:32] <fsphil_MI0VIM> 437.1km
[11:32] <fsphil_MI0VIM> half the record ;)
[11:32] <GMT> wow, impressive phil!
[11:33] <GMT> I was happy with my 298km on XABEN a few days ago ...
[11:33] <fsphil_MI0VIM> the range on these things is just silly :)
[11:33] <fsphil_MI0VIM> the records is 800km
[11:33] <GMT> especially on 1/10th watt
[11:33] <fsphil_MI0VIM> less than that even
[11:33] <fsphil_MI0VIM> 10mw
[11:34] <navrac_work> 1/100th
[11:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> What's the trick to getting the Rx station on the map ?
[11:36] <fsphil_MI0VIM> in theory if you have your latitude, longitude and altitude set, it should just appear
[11:36] <GMT> you mean getting the littel antenna tower?
[11:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup
[11:36] <Upu_M0UPU> DanielRichman has fixed the recievers
[11:36] <GMT> u need lat, long AND alt
[11:37] <mattbrejza> hmm reasonably strong signal but no hope of decode :/
[11:37] <fsphil_MI0VIM> got Rv ticked mattbrejza?
[11:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> Is that in the location field ?
[11:37] <mattbrejza> oh lol
[11:37] <fsphil_MI0VIM> yea it's reversed
[11:37] <mattbrejza> i did try that, but at the time it was also set to something else
[11:38] <GMT> Yay DanielRichman!
[11:38] <mfa298> i've got a strong signal but lots of lines that don't checksum.
[11:38] <G3VZV_Graham> the shift is still around 920 Hz rather than 850 as advertised
[11:38] Action: mfa298 wonders how good these batteries are.
[11:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> agree on shift
[11:39] <Upu_M0UPU> seems to have a bug where every 5 lines it TX's $$HA$$HABJOB
[11:39] <Upu_M0UPU> anyway its working
[11:39] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I can't think what would cause that
[11:40] <fsphil_MI0VIM> thei shift is about 900hz
[11:40] <fsphil_MI0VIM> -i
[11:42] <fsphil_MI0VIM> did it just shift down suddenly?
[11:42] <mfa298> looked like it
[11:42] <navrac_work> Geoff-G8DHE : you have to set the location and height under the DL Client>configure>Location
[11:42] <fsphil_MI0VIM> wasn't sure if that was my receiver
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[11:42] <mfa298> looked like it was very stable, then jumped a few hz and wobbled a bit
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[11:44] <STRATODEAN_Mark> Who's payload is this out of interest? Are they chasing?
[11:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> <navrac_work> thanks found it!
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[11:46] <anerDev> Hi folks !
[11:46] <anerDev> what's the range of ntx2 in the air ?
[11:46] <G3VZV_Graham> oops
[11:46] <Upu_M0UPU> carrier
[11:46] <Upu_M0UPU> 500 meters to 800km anerDev
[11:46] <Upu_M0UPU> on we are back
[11:47] <Upu_M0UPU> this code has some interesting features
[11:47] <anerDev> for example at 1000 m of altitude ?
[11:47] <anerDev> but there is a differente if i use a loop or a simple wire ante
[11:47] <anerDev> antenna ??
[11:47] <eroomde> sorry to sound nasal, but it depends on the baud rate. at the baud rates we use, with receivers of the sensitivitiy we use, it's basically limited by radio line of sight
[11:47] <eroomde> which is a bit longer than geometric line of sight
[11:47] <G3VZV_Graham> no more freq wobble after "reboot"
[11:47] <eroomde> and yes there is a difference from all of these things you're suggesting
[11:48] <Upu_M0UPU> a 1/4 wave antenna should suffice
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[11:50] <fsphil_MI0VIM> getting wobbly here again
[11:50] <fsphil_MI0VIM> oh, $$H$$HABJOE -- it's lost the A
[11:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> I think the shift is reducing down to 900 now
[11:52] <fsphil_MI0VIM> yea it's been on 900 for a while
[11:52] <fsphil_MI0VIM> it's narrowing
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[11:53] <STRATODEAN_Mark> is it still on 434.650?
[11:54] <STRATODEAN_Mark> or moved?
[11:54] <Upu_M0UPU> 651
[11:54] <STRATODEAN_Mark> ok
[11:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> agree .651
[11:54] <GMT> any ideas on the 2 values after the height? what are they?
[11:55] <Upu_M0UPU> Gforce,satellites
[11:55] <Upu_M0UPU> its on spacenear
[11:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> Speed and GForce I hope thats 0.GForce
[11:55] <GMT> okay thanks, makes sense now
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[12:01] <alankhoury> hi
[12:01] <fsphil_MI0VIM> hiya alankhoury
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[12:02] <navrac_work> what type of balloon is it? I need to know when to type 'burst' and hover over the return key....
[12:02] <fsphil_MI0VIM> lol
[12:02] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I can't hear the audio from the radio, so I won't be able to tell when it bursts
[12:04] <navrac_work> Im tracking on the fcd and listening on the ft726
[12:04] <navrac_work> as the VAC doesnt seem to be working right this morning
[12:04] <fsphil_MI0VIM> ascent rate is good, very unlikely to float
[12:06] <WillDuckworth> where are you based navrac?
[12:09] <fsphil_MI0VIM> lovely signal here now, red lines in dl-fldigi
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[12:12] <GMT> hi Habjoe, are you going for the balloon?
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[12:13] <gonzo_mob> very strong sigs in poole
[12:14] <PE2G> Strong signal here, distance 568 km, elevation 0.1 deg
[12:14] <gonzo_mob> what tx module?
[12:14] <fsphil_MI0VIM> ye old ntx2
[12:14] <STRATODEAN_Mark> I'm using SDR, I can hear and see the waterfall, have the settings correct as far as I can see, 900/50/7/2. You mentioned earlier that the signal is reversed? Is that why I cant decode?
[12:14] <fsphil_MI0VIM> STRATODEAN_Mark: press "Rv" in the bottom right of dl-fldigi
[12:15] <STRATODEAN_Mark> Haha boom!
[12:15] <fsphil_MI0VIM> some flights have the two frequencies backwards
[12:15] <fsphil_MI0VIM> doesn't happen as often these days
[12:18] <mfa298> shift might be down to 880 now
[12:18] <mfa298> im getting better decode with 880
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[12:22] <STRATODEAN_Mark> So this is my first live decode, I'm using SDR with a dongle, the amp on the HAB store and a MR77 antenna
[12:22] <GMT> good feeling, isn't it!
[12:22] <STRATODEAN_Mark> Yeah v good. All we need now is my own payload, a month or two I reckon
[12:22] <mfa298> STRATODEAN_Mark: congratulations.
[12:23] <Upu_M0UPU> and another one :)
[12:27] <cuddykid> needs to burst fairly soon otherwise it's heading for landan
[12:27] <navrac_work> interesting the blue circle changes size when i pan around the map - I've never noticed that before
[12:27] <Upu_M0UPU> what balloon is it ?
[12:27] <cuddykid> anyone know what size balloon?
[12:27] <cuddykid> ha
[12:27] <GMT> easier for me to retrieve nearer to lahndahn
[12:27] <Upu_M0UPU> should burst thats a fast ascent
[12:27] <cuddykid> yeah
[12:29] <Upu_M0UPU> rock solid signal
[12:29] <Upu_M0UPU> is now anyway
[12:30] <navrac_work> coming down?
[12:30] <Upu_M0UPU> yep
[12:30] <x-f> yup
[12:30] <Upu_M0UPU> burst
[12:30] <mfa298> yep
[12:30] <navrac_work> not much disturbance to the signal on burst - just a slight fade
[12:30] <Upu_M0UPU> landing spot devoid of airports
[12:30] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah very stable
[12:30] <cuddykid> yup
[12:31] <Upu_M0UPU> how is that so stable
[12:31] <Upu_M0UPU> be interested to see pics of the antenna
[12:31] <GMT> should I go for the retrieve, take about 25 mins to get there, but I will be out of contact
[12:31] <Upu_M0UPU> that is not the signal of a payload falling at 40m/s
[12:32] <navrac_work> no it isnt is it
[12:32] <Upu_M0UPU> if you do GMT don't touch it just locate it
[12:32] <GMT> yes, as you told me
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[12:32] <Upu_M0UPU> its Habjoe's payload and they may want to take pics etc :)
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[12:32] <x-f> Gforce value didn't change much
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[12:35] <mfa298> looks like the frequency is drifting up a bit as it comes down
[12:35] <gonzo__> some quite strong keying artifacts on the spectrum
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[12:36] <Dutch-Mill> jijdaar ...jijhier ?
[12:37] <G3VZV_Graham> all that wasted powe rin the unwanted sidebands:)
[12:37] <fsphil_MI0VIM> ah, she's falling
[12:38] <gonzo__> yep, that was why I asked about the tx module.
[12:38] <fsphil_MI0VIM> that's closer to london than I expected it to get
[12:38] <PE2G> jijdaar is not here.
[12:38] <gonzo__> wonder if it's attenuated TTK keying, or using a DAC to modulate?
[12:39] <STRATODEAN_Mark> What's the significance of the carrier shift, is bigger always better? I got 350 at the mo, need to be bigger before launch
[12:39] <STRATODEAN_Mark> ?
[12:40] <fsphil_MI0VIM> it makes no difference really
[12:40] <STRATODEAN_Mark> OK
[12:40] <fsphil_MI0VIM> not unless they're very close, like 50hz shift
[12:40] <STRATODEAN_Mark> So 350 alright?
[12:40] <Dutch-Mill> PE2G is de ontvangst beter dan 'normaal' ivm condities ( tropo duchting = high) ?
[12:40] <fsphil_MI0VIM> perfect
[12:40] <Upu_M0UPU> nice decent rate
[12:41] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I usually go for 350hz myself
[12:41] <fsphil_MI0VIM> it's not too far apart, but still far enough apart for 300 baud
[12:43] <GMT> its gonna land in the Chiltern Hills, if it lands short it will be harder for me to hear
[12:43] <gonzo__> capture of the sidebands: www.g0nzo.co.uk/misc/habjoe/
[12:44] <fsphil_MI0VIM> looks like a nice spot to land
[12:45] <fsphil_MI0VIM> unless those hills are actually small mountains
[12:45] <GMT> very hilly around that area, lots of trees, not many roads
[12:45] <fsphil_MI0VIM> urg, sounds like the dales
[12:45] <fsphil_MI0VIM> not such a good place then
[12:46] <PE2G> Dutch-Mill: I believe conditions were slightly better than normal
[12:46] <fsphil_MI0VIM> better here too, I started to receive it while it was below the horizon
[12:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> shift is back down to 820 now
[12:47] <PE2G> I lost quite a few decodings in the beginning, as I hadn't clicked Rv
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[12:48] <GMT> I fell for that problem on some previous flights, now I know what to do!
[12:49] <gonzo__> I thought I'd got the wrong sideband here too (wide filters on the rx so can tune through the null and get the other sideband)
[12:49] <PE2G> Yes , there is a learning curve
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[12:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> getting close to Chalgrove airport
[12:50] <gonzo__> still good sigs here.
[12:50] <Upu_M0UPU> its still very high
[12:50] <GMT> not bad sigs here, noisy but okay
[12:50] <gonzo__> ah, started getting weajker as i typed!
[12:51] <gonzo__> some interesting changed in the keying artifacts frews, with no shifty in the main carriers
[12:52] <gonzo__> wonder if it's noise from something else in the payload? Switching reg? DAC freq?
[12:52] <bertrik> I wonder how feasible it is to try to substitute characters in a not-successfully-decoded string to make the checksum match, and so get more decodes on weak signals.
[12:53] <Upu_M0UPU> you can do it manually bertrik
[12:53] <bertrik> perhaps even get a confidence measure for each character from the demodulator to know which characters to subsitute first
[12:53] <bertrik> or base it on some regular expression, so you know a character is wrong when e.g. you get an alphabetic character in a numeric field
[12:54] <Upu_M0UPU> trouble is with numeric fields substitution may be difficult
[12:54] <bertrik> just 10 possibilities! :)
[12:54] <gonzo__> the risk is, that if you put too much recovery in, you end up getting valid data from noise
[12:55] <navrac_work> i did write a program a while back which went through the string swapping bits one at a time to see if it got a valid checksum,
[12:56] <bertrik> that can happen anyhow and can be acceptable in some cases I guess, just be aware of it
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[12:57] <navrac_work> i used it on ozzie2 when it was going out of range over france to get some of its last positions, but to be honest once you get one error, you often get more so it was of little use
[12:57] <Upu_M0UPU> lost it here
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[12:58] <navrac_work> still got it here - but weaK AND KEEPS GOING TO CARRIER
[12:58] <navrac_work> oops
[12:58] <GMT> verrry noisy here, and only about 25 miles from me
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[12:59] <bertrik> navrac_work: ok
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[13:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> its resetting quite often
[13:00] <fsphil_MI0VIM> sounds like bad wiring
[13:00] Nick change: fsphil_MI0VIM -> fsphil
[13:00] <fsphil> or bad battery connection
[13:02] <cuddykid> looks like easy access from M40
[13:02] <cuddykid> hopefully it will avoid the trees
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[13:02] <STRATODEAN_Mark> I've lost it too now
[13:02] <navrac_work> I've lost it now
[13:02] <STRATODEAN_Mark> Who's payload is it?
[13:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> dropped here as well
[13:02] <navrac_work> only partials
[13:03] <GMT> its not the 'easy access from m40' you should be worried about, not many roads in that area, lots of trees
[13:03] <costyn> STRATODEAN_Mark: Habjoe's
[13:03] <STRATODEAN_Mark> He chasing?
[13:03] <cuddykid> GMT: there's plenty of roads where it's predicted to land - but yes, there are a fair few trees
[13:04] Nick change: Upu_M0UPU -> UpuWork
[13:04] <STRATODEAN_Mark> Any cameras on board do we know?
[13:04] <GMT> signal now getting better
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[13:06] <GMT> signal now gone for me, but will have dropped down behind the chiltern hills
[13:06] <gonzo__> all gone here
[13:06] <G3VZV_Graham> stopped here now
[13:06] <G3VZV_Graham> 340 metres was the last i recived
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[13:07] <navrac_work> trees have one advantage that its easier to get a signal once its landed
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[13:09] <fsphil> nice bit of tracking, shouldn't be too far from the last location
[13:09] <gonzo__> no-one in the chace car(s) running the chase car app?
[13:09] <fsphil> just hope whatever cause it to reset doesn't cause it to stop transmitting on landing
[13:10] <GMT> I could set mine up and 'go chase', but I will be out of contact with everyone
[13:11] <gonzo__> take the phone number off the notam to call the launch team if you find it
[13:11] <gonzo__> and some numbers off here to report back
[13:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> looks good place to land on Google earth quite close to the farmhouse unless it drifts in the last few hundred feet
[13:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> Mind you it could end up in the swin=mming pool ;-)
[13:13] <x-f> Habjoe's phone number is mentioned in the email
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[13:14] <mfa298> ground level for the last point is around 150m
[13:16] <GMT> Ive got HABJOes number from the email, but he's not on here ... i'd rather contact somebody on here as I get nearer
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[13:21] <daveake> Back UpuWork
[13:21] <GMT> if I get the car-tracker working, it will be my ham call - G6SUQ
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[13:25] <daveake> Hah. HabJoe landed 1 mile from where Cloud1 landed :)
[13:26] Nick change: Geoff-G8DHE-p -> Geoff-G8DHE
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[13:35] <G3VZV_Graham> my guess is that it has landed - ie not in a tree otherwise I should still be able to detect it
[13:35] <fsphil> you got good range on that last packet G3VZV_Graham
[13:36] <STRATODEAN_Mark> what tracker is in the chase car?
[13:36] <G3VZV_Graham> yes - it is a good direction for me
[13:36] <fsphil> about 50km that
[13:38] <G3VZV_Graham> 48.64km according fldigi !
[13:39] <x-f> GMT has a jet engine there?
[13:39] <fsphil> lol, Speed: 392.256 km/h
[13:39] <fsphil> all that speed and going nowhere
[13:40] <daveake> He needs my chase car app
[13:40] <fsphil> ah, it updated
[13:40] <STRATODEAN_Mark> What app is that dave?
[13:40] <daveake> One that doesn't understand any speed above 70mph :)
[13:40] <STRATODEAN_Mark> ha I see
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[13:41] <Majed> Hi all
[13:41] <fsphil> hiya Majed
[13:41] <Majed> just launched my first balloon
[13:41] <Majed> it is on the way to 30k
[13:41] <fsphil> how are you tracking it?
[13:42] <Majed> i have GPS coordinates and want to know altitude
[13:42] <Majed> tracking it with SPOT GPS
[13:42] <Majed> launch location Saudi Arabia
[13:42] <fsphil> you won't get altitude from spot
[13:42] <Majed> can i get altitude from gps coordinates>?
[13:43] <costyn> Majed: hi
[13:43] <Majed> costyn: just launched
[13:43] <Majed> need help
[13:43] <costyn> Majed: so you had enough helium this time eh?
[13:43] <Majed> :) yes
[13:44] <Majed> the balloon is now above GPS working range
[13:44] <costyn> Majed: ah, too bad
[13:44] <fsphil> Majed: nope. coordinates only tell you where it is, not how high
[13:44] <Majed> is it possib;e to figure out the altitude of last gps track point?
[13:44] <costyn> Majed: do you ahve a link to the spot tracking page?
[13:44] <Majed> ah oj fsphil
[13:44] <Majed> yes
[13:45] <costyn> Majed: I don't think we can help, but it's fun to watch the balloons progress
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[13:45] <fsphil> I believe they stop working at about 18km, so it's possibly at that altitude
[13:45] <fsphil> how long ago did you launch it?
[13:46] <Majed> here you go
[13:46] <Majed> http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0zRdZEFT7Q58xPKJtzBRq2pUHWYHuvNh0
[13:47] <Majed> launched 3:20 pm local time. it ios now 4:57 pm local time
[13:47] <costyn> I get an error: No displayable messages found for feed: 0zRdZEFT7Q58xPKJtzBRq2pUHWYHuvNh0
[13:47] <Majed> ok hold on
[13:50] <x-f> 90 minutes, it should be somewhere near its highest point, i think
[13:50] <Majed> i know
[13:53] <daveake> 405kph
[13:53] <daveake> Impressive
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[13:55] <costyn> daveake: where?
[13:55] <daveake> chase car
[13:55] <daveake> 440 now
[13:55] <costyn> ooh
[13:55] <mfa298> I think I saw a 450 just now.
[13:56] <costyn> doesn't really look like that speed on the map ;)
[13:56] <UpuWork> well if you're going to misreport the speed you might as well do it properly
[13:57] <costyn> I guess this is the first HAB chase Veyron then?
[13:57] <Majed> can't solve the error message
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[14:01] <costyn> Majed: so you are getting gps updates but just not altitude?
[14:01] <costyn> Majed: or no updates at all?
[14:03] <Majed> yea
[14:03] <Majed> got a few updates then loast contact.
[14:03] <SpeedEvil> costyn: it is actually doing donuts at 450, trending in one direction
[14:03] <Majed> i should be getting updates once it comes back to earth
[14:04] <Majed> SpeedEvil: are you referring to my balloon
[14:05] <costyn> SpeedEvil: heh
[14:05] <costyn> Majed: no, to the chase car in England
[14:05] <costyn> Majed: ok, then I guess you can only wait
[14:05] <costyn> Majed: what did the helium supplier tell you when you said the bottle was empty?
[14:06] <Majed> they replaced it with a new one along with a propper helium regulator
[14:06] <Majed> :)
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[14:08] <costyn> good :)
[14:10] <Majed> will be back with more update in half an hour
[14:10] <Majed> buy guys
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[14:15] <gonzo__> must nbe off down the gay red light district
[14:16] <costyn> gonzo__: bwhaha
[14:16] <costyn> funny video about ESD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtlYi1yLTVQ
[14:18] <fsphil> lol
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[14:19] <fsphil> nothing static about his reactions
[14:21] <costyn> he's got other videos as well where he zaps himself, pretty funny
[14:21] <daveake> lol
[14:21] <STRATODEAN_Mark> HABJOE recovered yet?
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[14:22] <fsphil> GMT getting near, no word from Habjoe himself
[14:22] <daveake> Could have collected it myself by now :)
[14:23] <STRATODEAN_Mark> Just wondering how the chsse
[14:23] <STRATODEAN_Mark> chsse
[14:23] <STRATODEAN_Mark> chase car was tracked? same kind of payload tracker but in the car?
[14:23] <STRATODEAN_Mark> or 3g in the car?
[14:23] <fsphil> probably the android app
[14:23] <mfa298> looks like GMT's been stuck there for a while
[14:24] <daveake> It'll be a GPS chase car app uploading by 3G
[14:24] <daveake> There are apps for Android and IOS
[14:24] <STRATODEAN_Mark> Do you have a good ios app name?
[14:26] <daveake> http://ukhas.org.uk/general:chase_car_trackers
[14:27] <STRATODEAN_Mark> Ah thanks Dave
[14:27] <daveake> Everything is in the wiki :)
[14:28] <STRATODEAN_Mark> Yep it is a brilliant source of info!
[14:28] <STRATODEAN_Mark> should have looked there first lol
[14:28] <gonzo__> the chase car app does hang. You have to reset the callsign to kick it off again
[14:28] <gonzo__> don't think it was ever updated wuith a fix?
[14:28] <daveake> Pass. I use my own PC app
[14:28] <gonzo__> that's poss what has happened here
[14:29] <daveake> Could be
[14:29] <gonzo__> odd that if GMT has a chase app, he does nit have an irc client on the ophone
[14:29] <fsphil> I hope it missed those trees
[14:29] <fsphil> they look pretty big
[14:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> I reckon it missed the trees
[14:30] <daveake> When Cloud 1 landed close to there, it managed to miss some huuge trees
[14:30] <fsphil> no pylons
[14:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> but founbd the swimming pool ;-)
[14:30] <daveake> Well, it hit one but kept going :)
[14:33] <fsphil> a bit chilly to be swimming today
[14:33] <fsphil> starting to get dark too
[14:33] <daveake> If you look at the map a little further east, that's Howe Hill, which I remember in some detail :)
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[14:34] <Majed> costyn: it's been 2 hours so far since i launched with no update
[14:35] <daveake> That could be ok
[14:35] <Majed> burst time should be 95 min
[14:35] <Majed> what if i over inflated the baloon?
[14:36] <navrac_work> it will burst earlier
[14:36] <Majed> it should land faster in that case right?
[14:36] <daveake> Over would mean a shorter flight
[14:36] <Majed> ok
[14:36] <daveake> Because it goes up quicker and bursts at a lower altitude
[14:36] <daveake> Under is the opposite, of course
[14:36] <daveake> Unfortunately without an altitude reading it's all guesswork
[14:37] <Majed> i am so nervious right now :)
[14:37] <Majed> this is my first launch
[14:37] <Majed> freaking out
[14:37] <Majed> lol
[14:37] <daveake> Yep, that's an effect of not having continuous tracking!
[14:37] <Majed> so many things crossing my mind
[14:38] <Majed> i must have under inflated the baloon
[14:38] <Majed> it is a very calm day today
[14:39] <Majed> no wind
[14:40] <x-f> clear skies?
[14:40] <Majed> so clear
[14:41] <Majed> lets say i under inflated the balloon. how long could it take to burst and come back
[14:42] <costyn> Majed: if you post a screenshot of your first trackpoints (do they include altitude) we can calculate what the ascent rate was
[14:42] Nick change: junderwood_M0JCU -> junderwood
[14:42] <costyn> Majed: it all depends on how much it was underinflated and what type of ballooon
[14:42] <Majed> ok
[14:42] <costyn> Majed: without numbers its all guesswork
[14:42] <Majed> hold onb
[14:42] <Majed> hold on
[14:43] <Majed> will try to post a link
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[14:43] <cuddykid> STRATODEAN_Mark: I've built a new iOS chase car app (that now works with habitat) - it was submitted to the app store a few days ago, still waiting for acceptance
[14:43] <Majed> costyn: will email you KLM file of track points
[14:43] <costyn> Majed: sure
[14:44] <STRATODEAN_Mark> Ah that sound great nice one, you'll have to update the wiki
[14:44] <STRATODEAN_Mark> so we know
[14:44] <gonzo__> do post it on the group when it's live
[14:44] <cuddykid> STRATODEAN_Mark: yep will do when it's in the app store
[14:44] <STRATODEAN_Mark> Good ork
[14:44] <STRATODEAN_Mark> work
[14:44] <costyn> cuddykid: nice, will be useful :)
[14:44] <cuddykid> hopefully :)
[14:45] <costyn> cuddykid: can it run in the background ?
[14:45] <cuddykid> costyn: yep
[14:45] <costyn> sweet
[14:45] <Majed> emailed it
[14:45] <cuddykid> iOS app -> http://i.imgur.com/AauDH.png
[14:45] <STRATODEAN_Mark> Been finding that a lot of apps stop running after 10 mins
[14:46] <costyn> Majed: i'll let you know when I get it
[14:46] <Majed> alright
[14:46] <STRATODEAN_Mark> Looks nice and simple
[14:47] <costyn> Majed: you sent it to my gmail address correct?
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[14:47] <Majed> correct
[14:52] <Majed> costyn: did you get the file?
[14:52] <costyn> nope
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[14:55] <Majed> costyn: am now getting updates
[14:55] <Majed> yaaaaaaaay
[14:55] <daveake> woohoo
[14:56] <costyn> Majed: nice!
[14:56] <costyn> Majed: how far from you?
[14:56] <Majed> checking now
[14:56] <costyn> copy/paste us some coordinates :)
[14:56] <Majed> ok
[14:57] <Majed> check your email. sending you entire flight progress
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[14:58] <costyn> Majed: no mail yet
[14:59] <Majed> strange
[14:59] <costyn> yea you mailed me ok last time
[14:59] <costyn> Majed: sent you a PM
[15:01] <costyn> gmail spam detection fail
[15:02] <costyn> 24.48458,48.50421
[15:02] <costyn> launch was at 24.74119,46.6105
[15:03] <Majed> correct
[15:03] <costyn> 200km
[15:03] <Majed> can you figure out any flight details
[15:03] <junderwood> 24.48458,48.50421
[15:03] <junderwood> oops
[15:03] <Majed> like speed and max altitude
[15:03] <costyn> well not max alti
[15:04] <Majed> approximate altitude
[15:04] <Majed> i aimed at 5 m/s when filling the balloon
[15:04] <costyn> <altitudeMode>clampedToGround</altitudeMode>
[15:04] <Majed> 1200g balloon
[15:04] <junderwood> So. It's in the desert, in the next country, 20 miles from the nearest road.
[15:04] <junderwood> ... and I thought we had problems!
[15:05] <costyn> junderwood: looks like its still in Saudi
[15:05] <junderwood> (at least there are unlikely to be any trees or lakes)
[15:05] <Majed> it is not in the next country
[15:05] <Majed> still in the same country
[15:05] <costyn> doesn't look like there's any altitude data
[15:06] <junderwood> Google maps shows a white line between Riyadh and Al Hofuf. I assumed that was the border
[15:06] <costyn> it seems to be a provincial border
[15:06] <Randomskk> zoom out a little further. I think that's a county/province border
[15:06] <Majed> provincd
[15:06] <junderwood> You're right. Sorry.
[15:06] <Majed> province
[15:06] <costyn> Majed: so do you have a 4x4 vehicle? :)
[15:06] <gonzo__> I like all the circulat fields
[15:07] <Majed> yes
[15:07] <Majed> costyn: i do have a 4x4
[15:07] <Majed> i am afraid the wind will start dragging it
[15:07] <costyn> Majed: when are you going to go look for it?
[15:07] <junderwood> 20 miles out into the desert sounds like a serious journey
[15:07] <Majed> tomorrow
[15:07] <costyn> Majed: well the baloon will have burst, so there's not much to drag on
[15:07] <Randomskk> parachutes, otoh...
[15:08] <Majed> there is a parachute
[15:08] <costyn> ah yea forgot agbout that
[15:08] <x-f> Majed, is the landing site approximately where the predictor placed it?
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[15:08] <Majed> exactly as predicted
[15:08] <Majed> amazing
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[15:09] <x-f> then you know the max altitude already (+/-)
[15:09] <costyn> x-f: good point
[15:10] <costyn> Majed: there's no altitude data in the KML file. the XML tags seem to indicate the SPOT receiver was in ground mode 'clampedToGround'
[15:10] <Majed> x-f: what are you implying
[15:10] <x-f> Majed, that you filled the balloon exactly as needed
[15:10] <Majed> thanks.. that is a compliment
[15:11] <Majed> :)
[15:11] <Majed> x-f: do you think i reached target altitude?
[15:11] <daveake> If the flight time matches prediction, and landing spot matches, then yes
[15:14] <Majed> i am even more excited right now
[15:14] <daveake> :)
[15:14] <Majed> i think i captured sunset
[15:15] <costyn> Majed: that would be cool
[15:16] <costyn> Majed: are you getting more updates? is it still moving or has it stopped moving?
[15:16] <costyn> (if it stopped moving then it's landed I think?)
[15:16] <Majed> costyn: you guys helped me a lot for my first launch. without you, i could have messed it up.
[15:17] <costyn> hehe
[15:17] <costyn> Majed: well, you're not quite there yet :)
[15:17] <Majed> lol
[15:17] <Majed> costyn: i am still getting updates. sending you latest progress to your email.
[15:17] <costyn> you have quite a challenging retrieval I think? or do you think it iwll be easy to drive there?
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[15:19] <Majed> costyn: it will not be easy, yet it will be enjoyable
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[15:20] <Majed> costyn: driving 40km into the desert can get you lost and never make it back.
[15:21] <costyn> Majed: you have some friends to go with you?
[15:21] <Majed> of course
[15:21] <costyn> Majed: definitely looks like it's landed... last updates are very close to eacheother
[15:22] <Majed> haven't got repeated track points which can mean dragging is taking place
[15:22] <costyn> Majed: it doesn't send updates if it hasn't moved?
[15:22] <STRATODEAN_Mark> Still no HABJOE update?
[15:23] <Majed> SPOT gps tracker will continue to send updates every ten minutes for 24 hours, then stops
[15:23] <Majed> regardless of movement
[15:24] <costyn> Majed: ok
[15:29] <Majed> predicted landin point 24.5521, 48.5877
[15:30] <GMT> GMT is back from the (failed - just too late!) retrieve attempt!
[15:30] <costyn> Majed: 10KM from actual landing point
[15:31] <Majed> is that too much?
[15:31] <costyn> no that's good
[15:31] <STRATODEAN_Mark> what happened GMT?
[15:31] <Majed> track update is still giving me divverent coordinates?
[15:32] <Majed> what does that mean?
[15:32] <GMT> I got to about 1/2 mile from landing point, in some country-lanes, stopped to switch-on scanner to look for signal ... HABJOE drove past me having retrieved it. I saw his car witha yagi strapped to the roof-rack!
[15:32] <daveake> Majed Depends on how different!
[15:33] <Majed> like last 2 digits
[15:33] <Randomskk> GMT: aww! good effort though!
[15:33] <daveake> GMT My first flight landed very close to there
[15:33] <STRATODEAN_Mark> Ah did he not say he was chasing?
[15:33] <Majed> 24.48454 then 24.48449 then 24.48457
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[15:34] <daveake> Majed Sounds like it's not moving
[15:35] <Majed> during testing, the SPOT gave the exact same coordinatyes when stationary
[15:35] <GMT> HABJOE owner didn't have chase-car app, and didn't say he was chasing; we were not sure if he was or was not, so 'I went for it'!
[15:35] <Majed> if you check the KLM file, the first two fixes were exactly the dame
[15:36] <STRATODEAN_Mark> Ha well good effort anyway
[15:36] <costyn> Majed: well, I'm not sure... maybe it's upside down; oh wait you ahd a gimball system. I dunno man
[15:36] <Majed> i am affraid draging is taking place and by the time i wake up tomorrow it would have moved to a different position
[15:36] <daveake> <Majed> 24.48454 then 24.48449 then 24.48457
[15:37] <daveake> That's not a straight line
[15:37] <costyn> Majed: when will it send the last update?
[15:37] <GMT> but if it drags across the sane, can't you follow the trail?
[15:37] <costyn> GMT: :) not if the sand blows over the trail :)
[15:37] <Majed> 24 hours after launch
[15:37] <daveake> He said there's little wind. I doubt it's dragging
[15:38] <Majed> lets wait for another hour and see how much of a difference we have
[15:38] <costyn> Majed: is it very sandy or rocky at the landing spot? I would think sand would givequite a lot of drag ; it would need a lot of wind before starting to drift
[15:38] <costyn> Majed: you're going to be looking at the spot website the whole night right? ;)
[15:38] <STRATODEAN_Mark> Why cant you go and look for it now? Dark?
[15:38] <Majed> extreamly sandy i would say
[15:38] <Majed> dark
[15:39] <Majed> but i am thinking to give it a try
[15:39] <daveake> Easier at night, *if* you put hi-viz tape on the box
[15:39] <daveake> And especially if you have Upu's "sun in a tube" torch
[15:39] <Majed> my garmin will give me around 20m accuracy
[15:41] <costyn> daveake: haha
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[15:43] <costyn> Majed: it will be hard to spot at night I think
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[15:44] <Laurenceb> http://narf-archive.com/pix/b61db014fd3646857aa010b31fde52569aa9bf3f.jpeg
[15:44] <Majed> i am gonna give it a try
[15:44] <STRATODEAN_Mark> good idea
[15:45] <GMT> just been reading back some of the comments while i was driving ... was it really that fast! first time i'd used that app.
[15:45] <daveake> Yep :)
[15:45] <costyn> Majed: well good luck then. :)
[15:45] <daveake> There may be a bug there ....
[15:46] <GMT> when I got near to the landing site I lost the phone signal - thanks vodacrap.
[15:46] <daveake> Yeah it's not good round there
[15:47] <GMT> which is weird, at the top of the hill were two towers, one with cell-phone ant.
[15:47] <daveake> Possibly O2 or someone. I had VF at the time and didn't have a signal
[15:48] <GMT> oh well; glad the app worked out okay, despite the speed. Maybe I should do some more driving tests or get an upgrade to the app
[15:49] <gonzo__> orange brought out t-mobile. They are now starting to rationaliose the network and shutting down duplicate bases
[15:49] <STRATODEAN_Mark> is it o2 who have the best gsm network coverage?
[15:49] <gonzo__> so there are unused masts about. And plenty of rural areas that used to be covered by one or the iother network, now with no coverage
[15:50] <daveake> Here VF is probably the best signal, however only "3" do 3G. So I use 3 in the chase car so I can do the batc video feed
[15:50] <Majed> costyn: i measured the distance between that last 2 fixes and it's 23 meters
[15:51] <fsphil> O2 have the best coverage here
[15:51] <Majed> costyn: that translates into a drag
[15:51] <costyn> Majed: is it same direction as the wind?
[15:51] <x-f> Majed, that could be not much satellites in view also
[15:51] <Majed> or could it be the payload is still falling
[15:51] <daveake> Your last 3 measurements did not move in a single direction. Check the numbers.
[15:53] <Majed> i am now thinking a wild animal is contributing
[15:53] <Majed> lol
[15:53] <Majed> daveake: send me your email address. will send you a klm file
[15:53] <fsphil> gps will vary naturally
[15:53] <daveake> Nah, it's being probed by aliens
[15:54] <daveake> Majed I don't want the KLM IME that thing is NOT moving you're reading too much into it
[15:54] <fsphil> there's a good chance it's sitting on its side, so not getting an ideal signal
[15:54] <GMT> I've had that done, when I woke-up my pants were on back-to-front - that's how I knew.
[15:54] <GMT> or it might have been alcohol related
[15:55] <costyn> fsphil: he has a gimball system so that the spot trackers is always facing up
[15:55] <fsphil> if it worked
[15:55] <daveake> which broke on landing
[15:55] <Majed> fsphil
[15:55] <costyn> but who knows it might have failed on landing
[15:55] <Majed> costyn: may very well be the case if the parachut did not work
[15:55] <gonzo__> do we know if habjoe finally recovered ?
[15:55] <Majed> i.e. payload smashed hard intot he gfround
[15:56] <daveake> Yes habjoe recovered
[15:56] <STRATODEAN_Mark> I think the two options are, stop worrying and look for it tomorrow, or, go and look for it now
[15:56] <gonzo__> rr, hope they post some info about it
[15:56] <costyn> Majed: well then it's mostl likely just "natural" gps variation
[15:56] <costyn> Majed: what STRATODEAN_Mark said :)
[15:56] <daveake> What costyn said
[15:56] <GMT> I spoke with HABJOE on the phone as he was driving away from the recovery, he said he'll do some notes about it
[15:57] <costyn> :)
[15:57] <fsphil> someone said something, or stuff
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[15:58] <x-f> habbing generally is "ish" in space-time
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[16:10] <griffonbot> Received email: chris hillcox "[UKHAS] Re: Fogging Camera Lenses - Problem?"
[16:10] <UpuWork> format thread /mbr
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[16:21] <fsphil> the undead thread
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[17:39] <arko> good morning
[17:40] <number10> evening arko
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[17:51] <arko> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3RBSkq-_St8
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[17:54] <Habjoe> Hi, all thanks for all the help today. Just seen that an amazing 13 people were tracking including two from the netherlands. Easy recovery from a field. just past the last fix. Will be posting pictures and some video asap if interested. Many many thanks again! Habjoe. (andrew Myatt, and Joe Myatt)
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[17:57] <arko> congrats!
[17:57] <Habjoe> Many thanks. just going through the data, pictures and video!
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[18:02] <Upu> yeah congrats :)
[18:02] <fsphil> nice one Habjoe
[18:02] <fsphil> first successful launch of the year
[18:05] <Upu> Indeed I look forward to the pics
[18:05] <Upu> oh Habjoe before I forget grab screen shots from spacenear.us faily quickly as it may be cleared down
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[18:19] <arko> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fopnIkYnFPI
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[18:25] <GMT> Habjoe ... sorry for phoning you while you were driving
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[18:47] <arko> anyone here have recomenned antennas for hab ground stations? I've been looking into quadrifilar helicoidal antenna's
[18:48] <daveake> 2m colinear
[18:48] <daveake> This for 70cm?
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[18:49] <arko> 2m
[18:49] <arko> 144.390
[18:50] <arko> advantages?
[18:50] <arko> how does the gain and directionality compare to the helix
[18:51] <daveake> No idea, just that they work very well.
[18:51] <costyn> proven tech :)
[18:51] <arko> haha
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[18:58] <gonzo__> qfh are a pain to get right and for 2mtrs will be bloody big
[18:59] <costyn> arko: balloons in your area are likely to use APRS so yea, 144/2m
[19:00] <arko> yeah, our hab is going to be aprs
[19:01] <arko> http://wiki.032.la/nsl/HABEX2
[19:01] <arko> i'm trying to figure out what antennas to recommend the ground teams
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[19:03] <gonzo__> Probably a short colinear for base or 5/8 whip for mobile.
[19:03] <arko> i thought quads would be ideal since most people use those for talking to satelites
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[19:05] <gonzo__> sats use CP to overcome spin modulation, but habs tend to be linear polaraisation
[19:05] <costyn> gonzo__: whats the advantage of a huge colinear like the diamond x510?
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[19:06] <costyn> Gain, obviously, but I'm not sure how exactly it works
[19:06] <costyn> just more "wire" in the wind to catch those radio waves?
[19:06] <fsphil> it's like a number of antennas stacked
[19:06] <gonzo__> you would have gain when the hab is towards the horizon, but you would suffer a null when at higher elevations. Whic would be when closer and above
[19:06] <fsphil> and in phase
[19:06] <Randomskk> the gain is increased because the directivity is also increased
[19:07] <Randomskk> you don't (generally) get gain for nothing
[19:07] <Randomskk> so as gonzo__ said, you get a stronger signal toward the horizon but weaker as you get higher up
[19:07] <Randomskk> for HABs that's often okay
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[19:07] <Randomskk> depends how close you are to them though
[19:07] <fsphil> when it's high up in the sky it'll tend to be quite close anyway
[19:07] <Randomskk> still, they tend to be much closer to you when they are high up, so you get a strong signal anyway
[19:08] <fsphil> you might only have a problem if it's directly overhead
[19:08] <fsphil> but that's not going to happen very often
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[19:09] <arko> sounds like colinear is the way to go
[19:09] <arko> any recommended brands or good tutorials anyone knows of?
[19:09] <gonzo__> you only need a certain amount of gain to get signals at the maximum range. Then it goes over the horizon and no amount of gain will help you.
[19:09] <fsphil> I've a Diamond, it works very well
[19:09] <Randomskk> yea I have a diamond x-50n or something
[19:09] <Randomskk> it's nice
[19:10] <fsphil> that's the one
[19:10] <arko> yeah i have a Diamond whip
[19:10] <fsphil> it's 2m + 70cm
[19:10] <fsphil> works well on both
[19:10] <gonzo__> you only need enough signal to get the data through. If you had a really hign ant, you would get really strong signals out at max range, but what's the point?
[19:10] <arko> mines the SRH77CA
[19:10] <fsphil> some work in 6m, although I don't think too much happens there
[19:11] <arko> i was hoping for a larger antenna
[19:11] <arko> something to throw on top of the car
[19:11] <Randomskk> gonzo__: it can make a difference when very low down and get you a bit further at the edges
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[19:11] <Randomskk> also 'horizon' is a bit.. vague, really.
[19:11] <fsphil> I've a tiny whip for the car, it works well
[19:11] <costyn> Randomskk / fsphil / gonzo__ : thanks for the explanations :)
[19:11] <Randomskk> plus more gain gets stronger SNR so you can increase baud
[19:12] <arko> wouldn't a larger colinear reult in higher gain?
[19:12] <gonzo__> I'm assuming that aprs will be running a fair amount of power, compared to our 10mw
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[19:12] <arko> im going to do 2W because i dont feel like losing the craft
[19:12] <gonzo__> usually arko
[19:12] <costyn> arko: woa
[19:12] <arko> it has plenty of battery
[19:12] <arko> yeah i know
[19:12] <arko> 2W is nutes
[19:12] <arko> nuts*
[19:12] <costyn> it is
[19:12] <fsphil> more gain but less coverage
[19:13] <costyn> although if it's going over rural areas in the US there might be less APRS receivers
[19:13] <fsphil> you won't need a big antenna if you're putting out 2W
[19:13] <fsphil> a small colinear will work fine near it
[19:13] <fsphil> and if it gets really far, get a small yagi
[19:13] <arko> i just need to make sure nothing is physically blocking the antenna
[19:14] <fsphil> a basic yagi will generally work better than a colinear
[19:14] <fsphil> but obv. you have to aim it
[19:14] <gonzo__> on aprs, I assume you will be using the network to track. So do you need much in the way of antennas at all?
[19:14] <arko> i used the whip on my hand held and i couldn't decode aprs from 2 miles away
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[19:14] <arko> then again there are hills here
[19:14] <Maxell> arko: why not invest in a more effcient antenna? Those batterys take up soem weight too
[19:15] <arko> gonzo__: im assuming no towers, want to be independent from that system
[19:15] <costyn> arko: is there a limit to airborne APRS sending power?
[19:15] <Randomskk> 1kW I guess :P
[19:15] <arko> costyn: not that i know of
[19:15] <arko> im sure they will be pissed at me
[19:15] <Randomskk> your maximum license allowance
[19:15] <Randomskk> is it 1kW? do you have a full/general/whatever-its-called license/
[19:15] <arko> HELL YEA
[19:15] <arko> 1kW just to make everyone cry
[19:15] <arko> tech
[19:15] <Randomskk> haha
[19:15] <arko> i never did more because i got lazy
[19:16] <gonzo__> using a higher gain ant on the HAB is counter productive too. As it will result in directionality on the transmitted sig. Not what you want on a balloon that is swinging about
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[19:16] <costyn> Maxell: when it hits the ground, you want to be able to hear it, although we don't usually have problems here in western europe because most of it is pretty flat
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[19:16] <arko> im using a dipole on the hab
[19:16] <arko> 2m center fed
[19:16] <gonzo__> aalso, as it is probably going to be pointing down (assumption) then you are creating a null in the downwards direction
[19:16] <fsphil> would it not be better to include a spot as a backup?
[19:17] <arko> it has a cellphone
[19:17] <arko> then a beacon on top of that
[19:17] <arko> is it just me or is it really hard to hear stuff on just milliwatts on the ground
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[19:17] <cuddykid> anyone know of a good 434 stub antenna? (sma connector) - for payload
[19:18] <arko> i live in an area with mountains
[19:18] <arko> driving a few miles down to get food I lost contact with my aprs tower
[19:18] <arko> then again that "tower" was my handheld with a diamond
[19:19] <arko> i figure habs will do better since it's line of sight
[19:19] <fsphil> height is everything on VHF
[19:19] <arko> i think im gonna tune down this thing to less than a watt
[19:20] <arko> the 2watts is worrying me
[19:20] <costyn> arko: it should :P
[19:20] <arko> i dont want to be a complete jerk to the aprs system
[19:20] <Upu> cuddykid https://www.dropbox.com/s/v7ypm5amkkn10p0/2012-12-20%2018.16.04.jpg
[19:20] <Upu> like that ?
[19:20] <costyn> nice
[19:20] <arko> MR FANCY ROTRING
[19:20] <cuddykid> ooo, that looks good Upu - yep, just like that :)
[19:20] <arko> :P
[19:21] <gonzo__> line of sight, a few mW will go 100's of miles (depending on bandwidth/mode etc) whereas in a built up area, you need a few watts to do a mile
[19:21] <Upu> not sure I'd use it in fligth cuddykid
[19:21] <arko> crazy
[19:21] <Upu> http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/browse.jsp;jsessionid=43GAEDMTIWAZMCQLCIQZLTQ?N=0&Ntk=gensearch&Ntt=433Mhz+stubb&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&exposeLevel2Refinement=true&suggestions=false&ref=globalsearch&_requestid=272322
[19:21] <arko> if the fcc sends me an angry letter, i will be sure to frame it
[19:21] <gonzo__> rotring? Is that what you get after eating curry?
[19:21] <costyn> gonzo__: haha
[19:22] <arko> lol
[19:22] <cuddykid> Upu: problem is - there's a couple of projects coming up where I can't use the usual 1/4 wave due to space constraints. So, the ant ideally needs to be as small as poss (just like your stub ant)
[19:22] <Upu> http://uk.farnell.com/yageo-phycomp/can4311129200431k/antenna-12-x-4-433mhz/dp/1282674
[19:23] <jcoxon> evening all
[19:23] <Upu> again not sure I'd use it in flight but going to test both anyway
[19:23] <Upu> evening jcoxon
[19:23] <gonzo__> on TX I doubt the ant size matters. As long as you get all the rf coupled to the aether
[19:23] <cuddykid> nice Upu
[19:23] <jcoxon> we've got permission for launch
[19:23] <Upu> lol arko just noticed your comment :)
[19:23] <Upu> its only a 600 middle of the range :)
[19:23] <arko> :P
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[19:23] <Upu> Satuday ?
[19:23] <Upu> Saturday even
[19:23] <jcoxon> sunday
[19:24] <gonzo__> your work's stationaly cupboard is richer than ours!
[19:24] <Upu> super
[19:24] <Upu> whats going up ?
[19:24] <jcoxon> i think a 30+km floater
[19:24] <Upu> super
[19:24] <jcoxon> steve will have a tracker
[19:24] <arko> woah
[19:24] <cuddykid> excellent
[19:24] <jcoxon> and i'll provide a prototype packet repeater
[19:24] <jcoxon> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=c8aa9c90d7ff95f6b8adbd3a678844563141c52b
[19:24] <Upu> oh the voice one
[19:25] <Upu> this is going to be fun
[19:25] <jcoxon> no not voice now
[19:25] <Upu> ah ok
[19:25] <jcoxon> just packet
[19:25] <jcoxon> i've re-read the rules
[19:25] <jcoxon> and feel teh voice wouldn't be legal
[19:26] <jcoxon> habjoe recovered?
[19:26] <Upu> yep
[19:26] <arko> oh man, i'll be sure to watch sunday
[19:26] <jcoxon> okay so we need people to tx aprs packets on 434.075
[19:26] <jcoxon> it'll decode these adn then transmit them down on an rtty stream on another freq
[19:27] <arko> nice
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[19:28] <arko> jcoxon: i was told to ask you about turning on a script to get aprs in the US to show up on spacenear.us
[19:29] <Upu> I have a copy of that script too if jcoxon's not about
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[19:31] <jcoxon> well thats the plan
[19:31] <G0MJW> Hmm - that will need software for APRS generating
[19:31] <jcoxon> yeah, unfortunately so - i can recommend some
[19:31] <jcoxon> if you have an aprs setup for 2m you just need to switch to 70cm
[19:32] <G0MJW> Yes. What? No, of course I dont have APRS.
[19:32] <arko> im on the otherside of the planet :<
[19:32] <fsphil> EME
[19:32] <fsphil> what with your kilowatts :p
[19:32] <G0MJW> Which planet though?
[19:32] <arko> mars
[19:32] <arko> line of sight sometimes
[19:32] <arko> :P
[19:32] <cuddykid> is this using an rfm for receive?
[19:33] <jcoxon> no NRX2
[19:33] <fsphil> an rfm can't receive aprs
[19:33] <jcoxon> there is a high chance it won't work
[19:33] <cuddykid> ah
[19:33] <jcoxon> and isn't particually finished
[19:33] <arko> im an idiot, i should ask people here at work what antennas they would recommend too
[19:33] <G0MJW> James - how are you decoding the packet? Software?
[19:34] <jcoxon> yeah i've hacked up an avr tnc code
[19:34] <G0MJW> Interesting. AVR?
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[19:35] <G0MJW> Only really familia with the ATmega
[19:37] <jcoxon> yeah atmega328
[19:37] <costyn> G0MJW: avr is the company that makes the atmega series
[19:37] <costyn> actually that's not right
[19:38] <costyn> atmel is the company, avr is the architecture, atmega is a chip using that architecture
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[19:39] <G0MJW> Yes - I realise this. Arduino Uno has been something I have been working with. Is it in C or is it in Assembler?
[19:39] <dharnke> are there any off the shelf level converters high to low (5v IN 3.3v OUT)
[19:39] <jcoxon> G0MJW, the code i'm using is in C
[19:39] <jcoxon> i'll release it
[19:39] <G0MJW> A resistor?
[19:39] <jcoxon> but if you want to make a tnc check this:
[19:40] <jcoxon> G0MJW, http://www.bertos.org/use/examples-projects/arduino-aprs
[19:40] <G0MJW> Actually I want to decode BPSK AX25 but that is another story.
[19:41] <G0MJW> Seriously 5V to 3.3V use a potential divider, or failing that a couple of diodes, or a RED LED. 3.3 to %v is more difficult.
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[19:46] <daveake> Depends on the 5V side; lots of devices are happy to see 3.3V signals
[19:47] <oh7lzb> I just did a 3.3 to 5V converter last week, to drive a lead strip from a RPI
[19:47] <dharnke> its basically the ublox breakout board its 3.3v, and i want to use with my arduino
[19:47] <dharnke> which is 5v
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[19:50] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Aerospace "[UKHAS] Flight Announcement XABEN-41"
[19:52] <oh7lzb> I bought a couple of 74HCT08 (SN74HCT08N) chips, each contains 4 AND gates. Just pull 1 input to VCC and use the other as data in, the output as data out.
[19:52] <arko> hello oh7lzb
[19:52] <oh7lzb> The output is 5V TTL, while the input is happy with 3.3V or 5V TTL. Good for the data output of the RPI pins.
[19:53] <oh7lzb> I used it for the SPI serial port.
[19:53] <G0MJW> Ah - right. I see. Well probably it would work OK with some droppers but why not use a 3.3V Arduino?
[19:54] <oh7lzb> Ah, that's a good point, too.
[19:55] <arko> oh7lzb: what aprs software would you recommend for windows?
[19:57] <dharnke> ok cheers
[19:58] <oh7lzb> arko: APRSIS32
[19:58] <arko> cool
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[20:08] <Habjoe> Upu, thanks for the advice re-tracker screen.Have now taken screen shots.
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[20:08] <Upu> nps
[20:08] <Upu> look forward to seeing the images and how you managed such a stable decent
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[20:54] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hi
[20:54] <Upu> hey Brian evening
[20:55] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hi anthony
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[21:15] <griffonbot> Received email: GMT "Re: [UKHAS] Flight Announcement XABEN-41"
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[21:24] <arko> aprsdroid is neat
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[21:38] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[21:38] <arko> airplane structure tests (compilation) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6aoAuW6UtUM
[21:38] <arko> hi hi
[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> check it out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0-4qTSSTmM
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[21:42] <arko> Lunar_Lander: nice
[21:43] <Hiena> Guess i could chalk up the new year launh failure with a new rocket caramel receipt. It's almost like some hard caramel candy.
[21:43] <Lunar_Lander> thanks arko
[21:43] <Lunar_Lander> and also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCYWinN-Nzk
[21:44] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Aerospace "Re: [UKHAS] Flight Announcement XABEN-41"
[21:44] <arko> hawt
[21:45] <Hiena> Lunar_Lander: Why not a piro cut down? This kanthal coil is weak.
[21:46] <Hiena> Also consumes a tons of energy,
[21:47] <Upu> nice one Lunar
[21:48] <Upu> just make sure you plan if it doesn't work, I don't like hot wire cut downs
[21:48] <arko> i wish i could buy the pyro bolts we have at work
[21:48] <arko> so nice
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[21:48] <arko> especially the redudant ones
[21:49] <Hiena> The second video's setup is much better, but i would rather see how it works in a box of dry ice.
[21:49] <Upu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mthD2gixVjQ
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[21:50] <Upu> just fast foward the waffly bit to 59 secs
[21:50] <Upu> they are dangerous
[21:50] <Upu> but effective
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> the difference between the videos is, that the first one has two batteries and the second one three
[21:51] <Hiena> Upu: I used similar ones, from the scrapped matchhead filled straw up to a slow burner filled PVC tube. Cheap and reliable.
[21:52] <arko> good way to lose fingers
[21:52] <Upu> yeah done those too
[21:52] <Upu> they seem to work
[21:52] <Lunar_Lander> Hiena, I can ask if I can get some dry ice
[21:52] <Upu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF5FO2ECbfU&list=UUGkq3Q2JQhN_ChjcPPwAW3A&index=44
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[21:54] <Hiena> Lunar_Lander: build a box of high altitude truth. What is works inside it it will works in high altitude.
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:59] <Hiena> 2kg dry ice is cheap (even from my eastern-european viewpoint) and you could test a tons of things from the cut-outs, up to servos' lubrication.
[22:00] <Hiena> And makes a good mad scientist props.
[22:03] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:03] <Lunar_Lander> that is true :)
[22:03] <Lunar_Lander> us being an EPR lab working with biological stuff we get styro boxes with dry ice regularly
[22:05] <Lunar_Lander> and this is my system at work https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0_V4vU5MMo
[22:10] <chrisstubbs> Seems to be working well lunar!
[22:10] <eroomde> launch time!
[22:10] <chrisstubbs> nice desktop background haha
[22:10] <Lunar_Lander> yea :)
[22:13] <Hiena> Now, you are thinking with portals.
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> yea xD
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[22:42] <Lunar_Lander> hi nigel
[22:43] <nigelvh> Howdy lunar
[22:45] <Lunar_Lander> how's life?
[22:45] <nigelvh> Doing pretty well. Took this last week off from work, so been enjoying doing as little as possible
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[22:49] <Lunar_Lander> sounds good
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[22:54] <arko> damn, listening to the inception soundtrack while coding at work is awesome
[22:54] <chrisg7ogx> can someone pass the tracking details for habjoe please/
[22:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> It flew this morning
[22:57] <chrisg7ogx> tks all over?
[22:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> Launch from Malvern (52.11352, -2.31611) at 10:30 am (ISH) on Friday, January 4th (today).
[22:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> Expected altitude 30 km and landing near Dorchester (51.6449, -1.1467).
[22:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> Contact mobile is 07500 607336.
[22:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> Frequency: 434.65 MHz, 850 Hz shift
[22:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> RTTY, 50 baud, 7bit + 2 stop bits
[22:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> Callsign: HABJOE
[22:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> yup and all retrived at the end
[22:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> It landed near Oxford actually
[22:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its still showing on the tracker http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[23:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> 73's
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[23:01] <eroomde> hmm, it landed 400m from my butcher
[23:02] <Laurenceb_> bugaboos
[23:02] <eroomde> i have cycled down britwell hill too. i got up to about 50mph and was convinced i was going to die
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[23:02] <daveake> It landed a few 100m from where my first flight landed
[23:02] <eroomde> http://www.readingcyclingclub.com/files/images/IMG_1206_web.preview.JPG
[23:02] <daveake> Yeah 50mph is "can't keep up with the pedals" scary
[23:03] <eroomde> you seriously approach the speed of light going down it on a bike
[23:03] <eroomde> it's terrifying
[23:03] <daveake> it is
[23:03] <arko> f that
[23:03] <daveake> My flight landed at Howe Hill
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[23:03] <daveake> Also steep
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[23:04] <chrisg7ogx> next launch is on sunday i see
[23:05] <eroomde> going up it sucks more
[23:05] <arko> eroomde: road bike?
[23:06] <Laurenceb_> can you guess what my first thought was?
[23:06] <Laurenceb_> Rogallo testing :P
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[23:07] <eroomde> arko: yep
[23:08] <arko> i would ride my bike more if everything here wasn't a mountain
[23:08] <arko> :/
[23:08] <arko> kills me going anywhere
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[23:11] <eroomde> mmm
[23:11] <eroomde> i might be flying from sf to LA arko
[23:11] <eroomde> in a VariEze
[23:12] <arko> wait what
[23:12] <arko> how?
[23:12] <arko> also take picture
[23:12] <arko> s
[23:12] <eroomde> friend has one
[23:13] <eroomde> and i will do
[23:13] <Lunar_Lander> eroomde, isn't that a scaled composites plane?
[23:13] <arko> i thought those were 1 passenger
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[23:13] <eroomde> 2 seats
[23:13] <arko> cool
[23:13] <eroomde> Lunar_Lander: yes
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[23:14] <Lunar_Lander> dick rutan makes cool planes
[23:14] <arko> aww man
[23:14] <arko> brings back memories of pilot license training
[23:14] <arko> oh!
[23:14] <arko> ask your friend to swing by Harris Ranch
[23:14] <arko> it's about 2/3 of the way from sf to la
[23:14] <arko> great stake
[23:14] <arko> steak*
[23:15] <arko> and they have a runway right next to them
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[23:15] <eroomde> well, we were gonna swing by mojave
[23:15] <eroomde> i have an offer for a nose around xcor
[23:15] <arko> lol
[23:15] <arko> funny thing, my friend at xcor just left to spacex
[23:16] <arko> found out at new years
[23:16] <arko> wonder how xcor is doing..
[23:16] <arko> dude, im jealous
[23:16] <eroomde> ni idea but they have nicely anodized things
[23:16] <arko> ah yes, nicely anodized thigns
[23:16] <eroomde> http://www.xcor.com/products/valves.html
[23:16] <arko> paperweights until they fly :P
[23:17] <arko> wow
[23:17] <arko> someone there really likes color coding
[23:17] <arko> http://www.xcor.com/products/pumps/index.html
[23:17] <arko> jesus
[23:18] <arko> sounds like fun to tour
[23:18] <Lunar_Lander> ohhh spacex?
[23:18] <Lunar_Lander> the company of big delays
[23:18] <arko> uhh
[23:18] <arko> spacex is doing very well
[23:18] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:18] <arko> xcor is doing ok last i heard
[23:18] <Lunar_Lander> "no, the engine didn't explode"
[23:18] <arko> not great, but ok
[23:18] <eroomde> Lunar_Lander: lol
[23:18] <eroomde> i'm not sure you're allowed to accuse anyone else of delays
[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> xD but at least we are doing the quality assurance
[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> made in germany and all that stuff
[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[23:19] <arko> psshh
[23:19] <arko> made in usa is better
[23:19] <arko> USA
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[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[23:19] <arko> AMERICA BITCHES
[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> did you know that Made In Germany was a punishment once?
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[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> I think by Britain so that people would avoid buying german products
[23:20] <arko> hah
[23:20] <arko> but anyway
[23:20] <Lunar_Lander> but then the word was spread about the quality of things
[23:20] <arko> eroomde: do you have a time window for LA
[23:20] <arko> ?
[23:20] <Lunar_Lander> so people started to trust that label
[23:20] <arko> so i can throw it in my cal
[23:20] <eroomde> arko: nominally, but flexiable, 2nd week of feb
[23:21] <Lunar_Lander> arko, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Made_in_Germany
[23:21] <eroomde> i fly back on the 16th
[23:21] <eroomde> so the week preceeding that
[23:21] <arko> cool
[23:21] <fsphil> I've heard so many horror stories about TSA, I'm not sure it's safe to enter the US :)
[23:21] <eroomde> but maybe the other week would make more sense..
[23:21] <arko> it's cool fsphil
[23:22] <arko> they just molest you
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[23:22] <Randomskk> definitely worse airport securities in existence
[23:22] <eroomde> i'll wear my Dodgers cap
[23:22] <arko> eroomde: dont
[23:22] <eroomde> i'll wear my Yankees cap
[23:23] <arko> RIP
[23:23] <arko> it was nice knowing you
[23:23] <Upu> lol
[23:23] <arko> i'll take you to compton ;)
[23:23] <eroomde> i'll wear my Mets cap
[23:23] <arko> or watts if your are feeling ballzy
[23:23] <arko> here's the thing with the dodgers
[23:23] <arko> they suck
[23:23] <Laurenceb_> eroomde: dont post anything bad on twitter
[23:23] <arko> they hold up traffic
[23:23] <arko> and they suck
[23:24] <Laurenceb_> in other news.. dones anyone know how cronjobs are aligned?
[23:24] <arko> in fact baseball sucks
[23:24] <arko> but thats just me
[23:24] <Laurenceb_> if i do a job every 4hours for example..?
[23:24] <Laurenceb_> what times will it run
[23:24] <arko> oh snap
[23:24] <arko> eroomde: im taking you to compton for some chicken and waffle
[23:24] <arko> it's great food
[23:25] <arko> Roscoes chicken and waffle <3
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[23:25] <eroomde> together?
[23:25] <arko> yes
[23:25] <arko> you get chicken
[23:25] <arko> and waffles
[23:25] <arko> and syrup
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[23:25] <arko> and you eat it
[23:25] <arko> and you cry from how amazing it is
[23:25] <fsphil> that's ... unique
[23:26] <arko> i think this is the best intro to LA
[23:26] <eroomde> i might buy a bigger belt and a cowboy hat in anticipation of this trip
[23:26] <arko> http://roscoeschickenandwaffles.com/
[23:26] <arko> you should
[23:26] <fsphil> two seats for the return trip
[23:26] <arko> jeans or whatever
[23:26] <arko> lol fsphil
[23:26] <arko> thats 1 american seat
[23:27] <arko> we're fat :<
[23:27] <nigelvh> 'MERIKUH!
[23:27] <arko> eroomde: if you dont mind the risk of getting shot, we can go
[23:27] <arko> nigelvh: FUCK YEAH
[23:27] <fsphil> I met a few USians in Oz, and they where pretty normal size
[23:27] <arko> im glad theres one other american in this room
[23:27] <arko> fsphil: come to a walmart here
[23:28] <nigelvh> Can't speak to LA though, I'm up in the coffee capitol
[23:28] <arko> that south park episode wasn't a joke
[23:28] <fsphil> euu
[23:28] <arko> seattle is a nice place
[23:29] <arko> http://bronanthebarbarian.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/fat-guy-on-scooter.jpeg
[23:29] <arko> they exist
[23:29] <arko> odd though, i thought Roscoe's chicken and waffle was world known
[23:29] <nigelvh> I wasn't aware of it
[23:30] <fsphil> that's just wrong
[23:30] <arko> it's not
[23:30] <arko> you eat it and tell me it's wrong
[23:30] <arko> :)
[23:30] <nigelvh> It sounds potentially pretty good to me, though I haven't had it.
[23:30] <fsphil> you must, at some point in your life, realise that you can't even see your feet anymore and you should really do something about that
[23:30] <arko> food has soul
[23:30] <nigelvh> You brits also said that biscuits and gravy didn't sound good
[23:30] <fsphil> it doesn't
[23:31] <nigelvh> When in FACT it is AWESOME
[23:31] <Upu> biscuits and gravy ? lol
[23:31] <fsphil> wis biscuit or gravy a USism?
[23:31] <fsphil> -w
[23:31] <arko> www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FFRoYhTJQQt=3m12s
[23:31] <arko> thats nigelvh and i
[23:31] <arko> except replace scotland with america
[23:31] <fsphil> not available in my conutry
[23:31] <Upu> blocked from here Arbition
[23:31] <fsphil> country too
[23:31] <Upu> err
[23:31] <Upu> arko
[23:32] <fsphil> at least it was polite about it
[23:32] <arko> i mean
[23:32] <arko> www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FFRoYhTJQQ&t=3m12s
[23:32] <arko> there we go
[23:32] <Upu> keep trying
[23:32] <fsphil> lol
[23:32] <arko> awww
[23:32] <Upu> btw we can get iPlayer
[23:32] <Upu> you can't
[23:32] <Upu> haha
[23:32] <arko> we have netflix
[23:32] <arko> :P
[23:32] <fsphil> so do we
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[23:33] <Upu> if we want it
[23:33] <Upu> Scully :)
[23:33] <fsphil> my mate at work loves Burnistoun
[23:33] <arko> that show is great
[23:34] <arko> if you can youtube for the "eleven" elevator scene
[23:34] <arko> the last bit where they are screaming SCOTLAND
[23:34] <fsphil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAz_UvnUeuU
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[23:35] <arko> how about this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhnUgAaea4M
[23:35] <arko> there you go
[23:35] <arko> now go to 3m14s
[23:35] <arko> but anyway i found a better vid above
[23:35] <nigelvh> 'MERIKUH!
[23:35] <arko> \m/
[23:35] <nigelvh> That is a fantastic movie
[23:35] <arko> seriously
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[23:36] <arko> i gotta think of something good to introduce eroomde to Los Angeles
[23:36] <fsphil> Ilivin!
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[23:36] <Lunar_Lander> nigelvh, did you see my cutdown already?
[23:37] <nigelvh> You're in california, if you weren't I'd say take him to a shooting range and let him shoot something full auto.
[23:37] <arko> damn this conversation got carried away, i've had too much caffeine
[23:37] <eroomde> arko: i would like to visit perez hilton's house please
[23:37] <arko> lol
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[23:37] <arko> nigelvh: great idea actually
[23:37] <arko> i have a rifle
[23:37] <arko> angeles forest has a shooting range
[23:37] <SpeedEvil> eroomde: with a rifle?
[23:37] <arko> eroomde: if you want to go shooting
[23:38] <arko> speedevil lol
[23:38] <Lunar_Lander> nigelvh, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0_V4vU5MMo&list=UUwLbAytnYpEVbryZurOL8cg&index=3
[23:38] <fsphil> it's a trap!!!
[23:38] <Lunar_Lander> nigelvh, and also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0-4qTSSTmM&list=UUwLbAytnYpEVbryZurOL8cg&index=2
[23:38] <Lunar_Lander> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCYWinN-Nzk&list=UUwLbAytnYpEVbryZurOL8cg&index=1
[23:38] <arko> nigelvh: you guys have some nice gun laws
[23:39] <nigelvh> Yeah, washington is pretty open
[23:39] <arko> after the LA riots my parents were like: >_> shit
[23:39] <nigelvh> Just got a new pistol for christmas and the stock clip holds 19 rounds.
[23:39] <arko> i hate you
[23:39] <arko> we cant go above 15 i think
[23:39] <arko> or 10
[23:39] <arko> whatever
[23:39] <nigelvh> California is 10
[23:39] <arko> yeh 10
[23:39] <arko> it's funny, people get all "how do you have a gun, thats wrong blah blah"
[23:40] <arko> then they watch mythbusters
[23:40] <arko> "awesome! shooting stuff!"
[23:40] <arko> -_-
[23:40] <nigelvh> It's america. It's in the constitution
[23:40] <eroomde> more dynamite
[23:40] <arko> srsly
[23:40] <arko> eroomde: fired a gun before?
[23:41] <arko> we also have nice archery ranges too
[23:41] <eroomde> yep
[23:41] <eroomde> used to shoot competitively
[23:41] <arko> no way
[23:41] <arko> thats awesome
[23:41] <fsphil> better than criminally
[23:41] <arko> lol
[23:41] <arko> does uk make you have permits?
[23:42] <eroomde> yep
[23:42] <arko> cool
[23:42] <arko> wondered how that works
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[23:43] <eroomde> not really sure, was all handled by school
[23:43] <eroomde> but it's not mega hard to get a gun
[23:43] <fsphil> there are gun clubs and stuff
[23:43] <eroomde> people hunt, most farmers have shotguns, it's just hand guns that are harder
[23:43] <arko> heh
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[23:43] <arko> makes sense
[23:43] <arko> funny thing
[23:44] <arko> JPL has a gun club
[23:44] <fsphil> probably has a swimming pool too. lucky gits
[23:44] <arko> http://www.jplgc.org/index.php?content=home.txt
[23:44] <Lunar_Lander> didn't a XABEN once land in a farm tree and then Steve rang at the house and the guy shot the payload out of the tree?
[23:45] <arko> we dont have a swimming pool :(
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[23:45] <nigelvh> You can tell this web site was designed in the 90s
[23:45] <arko> lol
[23:45] <nigelvh> Bullet shaped navigation buttons...
[23:45] <Lunar_Lander> nigelvh, did you see the test?
[23:45] <arko> wait till you see their ham site
[23:45] <fsphil> oh please no
[23:45] <arko> http://jplarc.ampr.org/
[23:45] <arko> there you go
[23:46] <fsphil> why did I look
[23:46] <arko> lol
[23:46] <arko> people who put rovers on mars
[23:46] <nigelvh> Created and managed with frontpage
[23:46] <arko> lol
[23:46] <eroomde> "Randy Hammock"
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[23:46] <fsphil> could be worse
[23:46] <bertrik> no "under construction" animated gif? :)
[23:46] <fsphil> I've seen quite horrific ham sites
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[23:46] <eroomde> how could it be worse?
[23:46] <arko> i was half expecting a dancing baby
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[23:47] <fsphil> some <blink> tags
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[23:47] <bertrik> <marquee>
[23:47] <fsphil> a navagation bar done entirely in flash
[23:47] <eroomde> "Rusty Cock"?
[23:47] <Lunar_Lander> ROFL
[23:47] <nigelvh> Lunar, yes, I saw the tests. The radio looked really clean. The cutdown seemed a little slow. I'd shorten the wire some.
[23:47] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:47] <Lunar_Lander> did you see the 808 video?
[23:47] <nigelvh> No
[23:48] <Lunar_Lander> check that
[23:48] <Lunar_Lander> there I use three AA cells instead of 2
[23:48] <Lunar_Lander> the wire coil gets orange hot
[23:48] <arko> eroomde: lol what?
[23:48] <Lunar_Lander> and look what I got in the mail today http://s.gullipics.com/image/4/i/7/5yvq9d-kjl0j8-wne4/IMG6430.jpeg
[23:50] <eroomde> you've thrown away the insides and put the box on your wall?
[23:50] <fsphil> you got that at just the wrong moment Lunar_Lander
[23:50] <fsphil> there's a new wonders series about to start
[23:50] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[23:50] <eroomde> i suspect there won't be a good time
[23:50] <Lunar_Lander> eroomde, xD no the background is a carrier bag
[23:50] <fsphil> Wonders of Life
[23:50] <eroomde> i wander what the price will be for the complete david attenborough natural hiatory box set
[23:51] <fsphil> lots
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[23:51] <fsphil> that man has made some serious amount of telly
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[23:51] <eroomde> which i suspect we won't have so long to wait for
[23:51] <fsphil> sadly true
[23:51] <arko> attenborough is awesome
[23:51] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:51] <Lunar_Lander> and Sir Patrick died on my birthday :(
[23:51] <Lunar_Lander> as you already know
[23:52] <arko> oh christ, i read that as Sir Patrick Stewart
[23:52] <fsphil> Attenborough's a great story teller. he's got the perfect voice for it
[23:52] <arko> you mean Moore
[23:52] <fsphil> Picard's still about
[23:53] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[23:53] <fsphil> was watching Nemesis the other day. wasn't a bad movie
[23:53] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:53] <Lunar_Lander> the enterprise had smoke contrails when going to warp
[23:53] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[23:54] <fsphil> well it's sci-fi, you can't expect it to be totally accurate :)
[23:54] <fsphil> I quite like my imaginary sounds in space thank you very much
[23:54] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[23:54] <Lunar_Lander> quiz
[23:54] <nigelvh> Imaginary sounds are best sounds.
[23:54] <daveake> :-)
[23:55] <Lunar_Lander> in which Star Trek movie do we hear the lowest Warp speed and what is it?
[23:55] <fsphil> It's like ... wooooooosh, pow pow pow
[23:55] <nigelvh> "A Number" and "One of them"
[23:55] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[23:55] <fsphil> well I imagine it would be 1
[23:55] <Lunar_Lander> yes
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[23:56] <eroomde> night all
[23:56] <Lunar_Lander> now we need the movie for that
[23:56] <daveake> Nn
[23:56] <Lunar_Lander> gn8 eroomde
[23:56] <nigelvh> Evening
[23:56] <fsphil> and I imagine it would be First Contact
[23:56] <Lunar_Lander> ah that is wrong
[23:56] <daveake> Sob
[23:56] <Lunar_Lander> in Generations, Picard calls for Warp 1 when the sun explodes
[23:57] <fsphil> the Phoenix in First Contact does Warp 1
[23:57] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok
[23:57] <Lunar_Lander> I didn't think of that at the moment, sorry
[23:57] <daveake> Well we learn something new every day
[23:57] <nigelvh> If you're going to do trivia then you have to be sure
[23:57] <Lunar_Lander> but I asked myself once why Picard wanted only warp 1
[23:57] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:57] <nigelvh> You don't question picard
[23:57] <daveake> Nerd-level++
[23:57] <Lunar_Lander> but of course Warp 1 ia already faster than anything natural
[23:57] <fsphil> he was only outrunning a super nova -- sub-light stuff
[23:57] <Lunar_Lander> *is
[23:57] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[23:59] <fsphil> DS9 is 20 years old
[23:59] <fsphil> my fav of the trek series
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