highaltitude.log.20130101

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[00:00] <daveake> Happy 2013 :)
[00:00] <gonzo__> The fireworks have started
[00:00] <gonzo__> HNY
[00:01] <mfa298> Happy new year
[00:01] <mfa298> Fireworks started here five minutes ago (or more_
[00:02] <SpeedEvil> happy new year!
[00:02] <gonzo__> started here smack on the 00:00
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[00:12] <Lunar_Lander> happy new year to you
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[00:24] <Upu> happy new year all
[00:26] <daveake> happy new year upu
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[00:26] <Upu> how are you ?
[00:28] <daveake> best I've felt all year
[00:29] <Upu> XD
[00:31] <fsphil> so far this year I've only eaten crisps and peanuts
[00:32] <Upu> best cup of tea I've had all year
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[00:35] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[00:36] <fsphil> I wasn't sure if they where having a fireworks display in London, or where under attack by very festive terrorists
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[00:42] <Upu> ping chrisg7ogx
[00:42] <Upu> there may be a launch tomorrow morning
[00:42] <Upu> watch this space
[00:45] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Aerospace "[UKHAS] Launch Announcement: XABEN-40"
[00:45] <fsphil> ooh
[00:46] <fsphil> he's getting in there before me :p
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[00:47] <Upu> yeah best get yours announced
[00:48] <fsphil> at least I'm frequency agile
[00:48] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "Re: [UKHAS] Launch Announcement: XABEN-40"
[00:48] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, do you fancy a song?
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[00:49] <Upu> I'll take a rain check Lunar but thx
[00:49] <Upu> and happy new year
[00:49] <Lunar_Lander> happy new year :)
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[00:51] <fsphil> 2013.. gonna take ages to remember that
[00:52] <fsphil> random fact from QI: 2013 is the first year since 1987 with four unique numbers
[00:53] <daveake> Well that is quite interesting
[00:53] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[00:53] <Laurenceb_> the mark of a true nerd
[00:53] <Upu> praise be tis a miracle
[00:53] <Lunar_Lander> and you can recycle calendars from previous years
[00:54] <fsphil> I found a bug in one of my websites that was doing that. displayed the days of the month for 2012 for dates in 2013
[00:54] <daveake> It's the first single-digit year for quite a while in the Mayan calendar
[00:55] <daveake> I think I missed their firework display
[00:57] Action: mfa298 wonders how many people just counted through the years to check that fact
[00:58] <fsphil> ah, I always give the 1st Jan as my date of birth on websites and I've now got a couple of happy birthday emails
[00:58] <daveake> happy birthday Mr Mouse
[00:58] <fsphil> Anony to my friends
[01:00] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil, xD
[01:01] <mfa298> I heard recently that 1st Jan is a popular birthday on websites
[01:02] Action: mfa298 is tempted to start trying 31st Feb and see how many sites accept that.
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[02:43] <niftylettuce__> anyone here build RC planes?
[02:47] <arko> woah, who's launching XABEN-40
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[04:12] <heathkid> link to tracking XABEN-40?
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[05:42] <KT5TK> Happy New Year everybody!
[05:43] <KT5TK> The BLT32 -- N0D story has come to an end: http://tkrahn.dyndns.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=8921
[05:45] <KT5TK> BLT32 is back home and to our surprise we have a video from the first 10 minutes of the flight from a little key chain camera that I've attached to the neck of the balloon:
[05:45] <KT5TK> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ7TvOIvtT0
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[05:57] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[05:57] <SpeedEvil> congrats!
[05:58] <KT5TK> Was a lot of fun!
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[08:03] <jcoxon> morning all, and a happy new year
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[08:16] <jcoxon> anyone know what Storm is?
[08:16] <jcoxon> big balloo or small balloon
[08:16] <jcoxon> ?
[08:21] <Upu> big
[08:21] <Upu> morning
[08:21] <Upu> 1600g 2m/s
[08:22] <Darkside> Upu: yours?
[08:22] <Upu> fsphil
[08:22] <jcoxon> oh that is exciting
[08:22] <Darkside> woo
[08:22] <Upu> PAVA tracker
[08:24] <Darkside> dr who time
[08:26] <jcoxon> Upu, http://nstar.org/GFS/10mb/10mb.132.png
[08:28] <Upu> yeah the predictions had to curving down and around
[08:28] <Upu> not sure how many batteries he's putting on it or if he's using my code or his
[08:28] <Upu> I'm sure all will be clear
[08:29] <Upu> anyway dog walk
[08:29] <jcoxon> oh thats not today
[08:29] <jcoxon> thats this weekend
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[08:58] <Upu> anyway he said about 10:00
[09:01] <fsphil> highly optimisic :)
[09:04] <Upu> ah there you are
[09:04] <Upu> still launching ? if so what frequency ?
[09:04] <fsphil> it'll be 434.200
[09:04] <fsphil> sitll planning too, but probably into ISH time
[09:05] <Upu> I put 12 :)
[09:05] <fsphil> ta lol
[09:05] <fsphil> that'll be about right
[09:05] <fsphil> I'm not long up
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[09:33] <arko> Happy new year everyone!
[09:33] <arko> Darkside: thanks for coming out to the party!
[09:35] <Darkside> eh?
[09:35] <arko> http://www.imgur.com/jQbf0.jpeg
[09:35] <arko> We were very drunk
[09:35] <Darkside> wat
[09:36] <arko> Lol
[09:36] <arko> I was telling him there is a clone of you in oz
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[09:36] <arko> He had a sharpy and tape
[09:37] <griffonbot> Received email: Chris Suddell "[UKHAS] Radio to receive 70cm HAB transmissions"
[09:38] <arko> Tomorrow morning is gonna suck >_<
[09:39] <number10> worst day of the year
[09:39] <arko> Indeed. We had a crazy party at our hackerspace
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[09:40] <arko> 100+ people
[09:40] <arko> Even my best friends from the bay area who looks like Darkside flew down
[09:43] <Darkside> anyone running a mac here?
[09:44] <Darkside> i need someon to test an app bundle for me
[09:44] <Darkside> (once it uploads)
[09:46] <x-f> i'm on a mac, but it's 32bit only, so may not be useful
[09:47] <jcoxon> Darkside, i can do it
[09:47] <Darkside> i think i built this universal
[09:47] <Darkside> jcoxon: awesome
[09:47] <Darkside> the file is still uploading
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[09:49] <Darkside> i'm testing a program that puts all the dependencies in teh app bundle
[09:49] <Darkside> and modifies the executable accordingly
[09:49] <Darkside> but i have the dependencies on my laptop already, so i ca't tell if it's working
[09:49] <Darkside> anyway, almost uploaded
[09:50] <Darkside> jcoxon: http://pipe2.darklomax.org/codec2/freedv.app.zip
[09:53] <Darkside> jcoxon: i'm just insterested to see if it loads
[09:53] <jcoxon> it opens for me
[09:53] <jcoxon> 10.8.2
[09:53] <Darkside> can you press 'start' ?
[09:53] <Darkside> awesome
[09:54] <arko> What is it?
[09:54] <Darkside> HF digital voice program
[09:54] <Darkside> uses codec2
[09:54] <arko> Oh sweet
[09:54] <Darkside> its in early development
[09:54] <arko> Cool
[09:54] <Darkside> the GUI on OSX is buggy
[09:54] <Darkside> and i not sure if the entire thing works properly at all
[09:54] <arko> Oh boy, objective-c land
[09:54] <jcoxon> can't config the soundcard
[09:55] <Darkside> jcoxon: expand the window
[09:55] <Darkside> arko: nope
[09:55] <Darkside> its using wxwidgets
[09:55] <arko> Oh?
[09:55] <jcoxon> yeah its working
[09:55] <jcoxon> i can see a waterfall
[09:55] <Darkside> awesome
[09:56] <arko> Oh cool. QT is one i like
[09:56] <Darkside> er
[09:56] <Darkside> not Qt
[09:56] <Darkside> anyway
[09:56] <Darkside> i need to do some testing, to see if the functionalit yis all there
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[09:57] <arko> Cool
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[09:59] <arko> Wxwidgets looks cool
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[09:59] <x-f> doesn't work here
[10:01] <Darkside> hm
[10:01] <Darkside> any error?
[10:02] <Darkside> if you click report when it crashes it should tell you what went wrong
[10:02] <Darkside> also what version of OSX are you on
[10:03] <x-f> 10.6.8
[10:03] <Darkside> ah
[10:04] <Darkside> can you pastebin the crash log?
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[10:04] <x-f> sure
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[10:05] <x-f> Darkside, http://pastebin.com/0eZpmWgY
[10:05] <Darkside> Symbol not found: __tlv_bootstrap
[10:05] <Darkside> hrm
[10:05] <Darkside> odd
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[10:06] <Gadget-Mac> jcoxon: Long shot, do you know what the motor shaft diameter is on the peristaltic pump you've got ?
[10:08] <jcoxon> Gadget-Mac, hmmm i've got a few
[10:08] <jcoxon> let me look it up
[10:08] <jcoxon> why?
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[10:08] <Gadget-Mac> Looking at using them for an aquarium application, but want to use a stepper to drive
[10:11] <Gadget-Mac> Is it only 100 series you've got ?
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[10:11] <SpeedEvil> peristaltic pumps range from microscopic to horsepower
[10:12] <jcoxon> Gadget-Mac, yeah
[10:12] <Gadget-Mac> Well I'm looking at the 10ml every 24 hours range
[10:12] <Gadget-Mac> jcoxon: Seem to get good reviews, only downside being you have to replace the whole head
[10:12] <SpeedEvil> is 1ml/s for 10s OK?
[10:13] <SpeedEvil> for example
[10:13] <SpeedEvil> at that sort of range, a syringe driver might almost be an option
[10:16] <Gadget-Mac> peristaltic is fine.
[10:21] <jcoxon> can't find any details Gadget-Mac
[10:21] <jcoxon> it was a longtime ago
[10:21] <Gadget-Mac> Ok, I'll drop them an e-mail. I'm 90% sure it's 4mm
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[10:48] <cuddykid> happy new year people
[10:52] <x-f> happy new year!
[10:53] <griffonbot> Received email: CHRIS INWOOD "[UKHAS] Re: Radio to receive 70cm HAB transmissions"
[10:53] <griffonbot> Received email: GMT "[UKHAS] Re: Radio to receive 70cm HAB transmissions"
[10:53] <cuddykid> looks like Apple is experiencing another new year day bug
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[10:56] <griffonbot> Received email: David Akerman "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Radio to receive 70cm HAB transmissions"
[10:57] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "Re: [UKHAS] Radio to receive 70cm HAB transmissions"
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[11:21] <chrisg7ogx_> are our BATC friends providing live coverage of the launch please?
[11:25] <craag> I don't think either flight today has kit set up for streaming unfortunately.
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[11:27] <craag> I've been quite disappointed at how powerful a machine was required for BATC streaming.
[11:28] <daveake> You mean, generating the stream?
[11:28] <craag> Yes. I have a 2x1.6GHz netbook that won't cope.
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[11:44] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Aerospace "Re: [UKHAS] Launch Announcement: XABEN-40"
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[11:48] <chrisg7ogx_> ok no problem, thanks craag
[11:48] <daveake> My next flight will be on batc
[11:48] <daveake> End of Jan, probably
[11:48] <fsphil> yea no stream here. it wouldn't be much to see anyway :)
[11:50] <chrisg7ogx_> just adds to the excitement and gives feeling to trackers of being more invol
[11:52] <Upu> I'm planning on a Pico in the next few weeks
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[11:55] <fsphil> trackers are always important, esp. for these floaty launches
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[12:03] <jcoxon> the issue with streaming is getting distracted from actually doing the launch
[12:03] <jcoxon> sort of need someone dedicated to it
[12:04] <daveake> Indeed. Best to have a Media Manager to look after that, keep IRC up to date, etc :)
[12:07] <cuddykid> yeah, it's hard to keep IRC up to date whilst prepping for launch
[12:07] <gonzo__> HNY all. What a great day out (at least here) for HAB
[12:08] <gonzo__> shame the predict is towards the continent, otherwise I'd launch too
[12:11] <cuddykid> I need to do a launch soon, getting HAB withdrawal symptoms :)
[12:12] <daveake> ditto :)
[12:13] <gonzo__> A good new year's resolution... More HABS! (Any at all in my case!)
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[12:14] <cuddykid> yes, it has been a little quiet your end daveake recently!
[12:15] <cuddykid> (compared to your usual flight schedule)
[12:15] <daveake> :)
[12:15] <daveake> Well, with the weather, it's better to be working hard on my next flight rather than go outside and get wet
[12:17] <daveake> Next flight will be a bit of a kitchen-sink job
[12:17] <daveake> Less pico more peta
[12:17] <cuddykid> haha
[12:18] <cuddykid> hopefully the weather will improve
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[12:24] <daveake> Well it's sunny here, and no rain. In your face, 2012 :)
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[12:44] <chrisg7ogx_> sunny calm day on the south coast
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[12:45] <MI0VIM> lovely here atm
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[12:47] <chrisg7ogx_> is Astra1 launching today is it a tease? stargazing live on beeb2 next tuesday at8pm
[12:48] <eroomde> chrisg7ogx_: thanks for the headsup, i shall try and catch that
[12:48] <eroomde> i beleive uXABEN is launching at 1500GMT
[12:48] <eroomde> details in the mailing list if you're subscribed, if not say so and i'll copy them here
[12:50] <chrisg7ogx_> tks eromode i can do some chores and keep wee wifey happy :-) i will be ready to try and track at1400 onwards
[12:52] <daveake> Who is M6VXO? Appears to be off the coast of Ghana ...
[12:53] <daveake> G3NFP is a bit wet too
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[12:56] <number10> G3VZV_Graham: is in MK and also near sudbury
[12:57] <chrisg7ogx_> I'm ok, su
[12:58] <chrisg7ogx_> might be worth posing here for newbies
[12:58] <chrisg7ogx_> lol posting
[13:00] <chrisg7ogx_> i had snags getting my position correct on the map. what looks correct at one resolution looks wrong when zoomed in or out
[13:01] <chrisg7ogx_> chores...
[13:02] <number10> remember to put your altitude in the location settings for fl-digi
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[13:11] <G3VZV_Graham> apologies for the duff second location - I updated the fldigi on two machines in the shack here..one had the minus sign missing on the longitude:(
[13:11] <G3VZV_Graham> Anyway MK is correct and Happy New Year to all HABers
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[13:16] <number10> happy new year to you G3VZV_Graham
[13:17] <griffonbot> Received email: Graham Tanner "Re: [UKHAS] Radio to receive 70cm HAB transmissions"
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[13:25] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "Re: [UKHAS] Radio to receive 70cm HAB transmissions"
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[13:35] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[13:35] <Lunar_Lander> hope everyone had a good start into 2013!
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[13:50] <griffonbot> Received email: CHRIS INWOOD "Re: [UKHAS] Launch Announcement: XABEN-40"
[13:53] <chrisg7ogx> someone needs to get on the blower to our BENELUX and Scandinavian friends to give a heads up about uXABEN
[14:03] <RocketBoy> launch in about 20mins
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[14:05] <daveake> Greetings Lunar_Lander
[14:05] <SpeedEvil> good luck!
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[14:05] <daveake> With luck, fsphil's flight may be coming your way later
[14:05] <GMT> which one is launching? the one from 'Norn Iron', or Xaben-40 (from where in the UK)?
[14:05] <daveake> Xaben first
[14:06] <daveake> Dunno where from. Somewhere near Felixstowe I imagine
[14:07] <GMT> okay, thanks. maybe contact G3NFP as his position puts him in the North Sea mid-way between Margate and Ostende!
[14:09] <chrisg7ogx> LOL Wind looks good for short hop across to Belgium/Netherlans up to 20 knots from WNW
[14:09] <fsphil> the old negative meridian flaw :)
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[14:22] <chrisg7ogx> this SDR concole Version 2.0 is great for searching
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[14:24] <chrisg7ogx> don't forgey folks, a puppy is for life, not just Christmas
[14:24] <GMT> which console is that?
[14:25] <chrisg7ogx> by simon Brown of Ham Radio Deluxe fame. he has released apreview version of version 2
[14:25] <chrisg7ogx> but it is also quite nice on New Year's Day!!
[14:25] <GMT> has it got a name? I'll go and google it
[14:26] <chrisg7ogx> stby
[14:26] <GMT> I just use the standard SDR# software
[14:26] <chrisg7ogx> point your thingy here, http://v2.sdr-radio.com/Home.aspx
[14:29] <GMT> okay, thanks for that - looks like my 2 devices are not yet supported (RTL2832 dongle for VHF&UHF, and Elektor SDR for HF). No worries, I can wait
[14:29] <chrisg7ogx> yes I did but this is eye candy and does not require any fiddling with fcdid2
[14:30] <lz1dev> any flights today?
[14:30] <fsphil> one any second now
[14:30] <fsphil> another hopefully within an hour
[14:30] <lz1dev> excellent
[14:30] <lz1dev> i need some balloons on the map for test :P
[14:32] <mfa298> that sdr console looks good, any idea what its cpu usage is like compated to sdr#
[14:33] <chrisg7ogx> XABEN-40 imminent and very soon!!
[14:33] <fsphil> at the same time?
[14:33] <Upu> 6 devices at once
[14:33] <chrisg7ogx> much much less cpu usage and has usage meter inbuilt. one of its great strong points
[14:34] <chrisg7ogx> yes multiple VFOs
[14:35] <mfa298> would be good if there's something that will run on my netbook. sdr# doesn't work that well.
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[14:35] <lz1dev> mfa298: you will need a pretty decent netbook
[14:35] <lz1dev> to run SDR
[14:35] <lz1dev> any SDR
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[14:36] <craag> rtl-sdr in sdr# at 250ksps and dl-fldigi running has my netbook at 98% cpu, works great as long as you don't do anything like changing windows!
[14:36] <mfa298> sdr# almost works but but there are odd blips in the audio which would mean it doesn't work for hab
[14:36] <mfa298> if this sdr console is lower cpu then it might be a winner
[14:37] <chrisg7ogx> SDR-RADIO.com Console v2 A taster of what's to come, running on a 2560 x 1600 console, i7 @ 2.8GHz CPU, note the very low CPU consumption in the bottom left of the display, often 2% or even less with three VFOs simultaneously demodulating.Radio is the excellent RFspace NetSDR, 400kHz sample rate (bandwidth).
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[14:37] <lz1dev> craag: i like alttabing :(
[14:39] <craag> lz1dev: So do I, it's been a lesson in restraint!
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[14:39] <GMT> craag - with dl-fldigi running on your netbook, can you try the setting for a slow CPU? which might make it more useable.
[14:40] <lz1dev> craag: preposterous!!
[14:40] <craag> GMT: That's with it set for slow CPU :)
[14:40] <craag> I got a funcube for christmas though, should be a lot lighter on the netbook :D
[14:40] <craag> *funcube receiver
[14:40] <chrisg7ogx> using one now
[14:40] <craag> :P
[14:40] <GMT> okay! shocked!
[14:41] <lz1dev> craag: btw, everytime i read your name i think of http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/wiki/images/9/9c/Crag_Renders_800x418.jpg
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[14:42] <craag> lz1dev: Lol!
[14:43] <lz1dev> cant help it, ns2 has ruined me
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[14:45] <daveake> Xaben on the map
[14:45] <RocketBoy> yea
[14:46] <RocketBoy> launching shortly
[14:46] <RocketBoy> is the car on the map too
[14:46] <RocketBoy> ?
[14:46] <daveake> nope
[14:46] <number10> no
[14:46] <daveake> yes
[14:46] <RocketBoy> yea
[14:47] <fsphil> maybe
[14:47] <JFS1> Don't you need a boat rather than a car for today's chase?
[14:48] <daveake> no chase
[14:49] <malgar> how much do you pay helium?
[14:49] <lz1dev> chase boat app ?
[14:49] <JFS1> Might still be worth having a boat symbol for the next upgrade of dl-fldigi - sea has been seriously hungry of late
[14:49] <daveake> I've suggested a chase boat icon for that :)
[14:50] <bertrik> What's the expected route? over the netherlands I suppose?
[14:51] <number10> I have rx on xaben
[14:51] <daveake> up
[14:51] <fsphil> that was quick number10
[14:51] <number10> 434.07393
[14:51] <number10> yes - is only 1/4 wave as well
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[14:55] <Upu> interesting ascent rate :)
[14:55] <Upu> ah more like it
[14:57] <cuddykid> wonder if it has something to do with winds around coast.. often they can do funny things
[14:57] <number10_M0MDB> I cant believe the first decode started at 69m
[14:58] <cuddykid> descending again :/
[14:58] <cuddykid> back to normal :)
[15:01] <g0hww> i can hear xaben, what are the rtty params?
[15:01] <number10_M0MDB> use autoconfigure
[15:01] <daveake> 50 N 7 2
[15:03] <g0hww> thanks
[15:03] <chrisg7ogx> yes auto configure settings checked and correct
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[15:05] <g0hww> using an old version of dl-fldigi here at the mo, had some issues last time i tried this
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[15:16] <Upu> anyone linked dl-fldigi to an ICOM ?
[15:16] <chrisg7ogx> nice df cut from f4fwt
[15:16] <Upu> I can see it in HRD
[15:17] <daveake> Upu Yes
[15:17] <Upu> com7 9600 but it is specifying a CI-V address, can't find anywhere to put this in on dl-fldigi ?
[15:17] <number10_M0MDB> I cant get my 817 working on fldigi
[15:18] <daveake> It's on the hamlib page iirc
[15:18] <G8GTZ> Using auto rotator tracking using an interface developed by M0DNY reading the flight data in to pstrotator - works a treat, haven't touched it and getting decodes at 206 km ;-)
[15:18] <daveake> Check the address and baud rate on the Icom
[15:18] <Upu> 52 9600
[15:18] <Upu> thats cheating G8GTZ :)
[15:19] <chrisg7ogx> Strewth this is tense and vy exciting! Am I going to pick it up in sunny bognor Regis? (rhetorical)
[15:19] <GMT> nothing heard here in west London, harupmh!
[15:19] <chrisg7ogx> tall buildings in the way?
[15:19] <G8GTZ> All part of the fun - and I'm using a horizonatl beam ;-)
[15:20] <gonzo__> still below my horison here
[15:20] <GMT> okay, here we go, found the signal, firing-up fldigi ...
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[15:20] <Upu> its what I do with that CI-V address I'm unsure of
[15:20] <gonzo__> dial freq?
[15:20] <G8GTZ> Sry - M0DNY is AKA the craag
[15:20] <G8GTZ> 434.074
[15:20] <gonzo__> ta
[15:21] <chrisg7ogx> should get a sniff soon
[15:21] <Upu> wierd working now never mind daveake
[15:21] <daveake> I fixed it just by thinking about it for you :)
[15:23] <number10_M0MDB> can you think about my seting daveake - it reports hamlib_init: IO error
[15:23] <number10_M0MDB> +t
[15:23] <chrisg7ogx> your tonna coming into play g8gtz!
[15:24] <chrisg7ogx> your position digits may be wrong
[15:24] <chrisg7ogx> if west of greenwich remeber to use minus
[15:25] <G8GTZ> Yes - 19 ele tonna at 30ft with sub 1B NF pre-amp right on the feed - and now with auto tracking ;-)
[15:25] <Upu> hey I have one of those :)
[15:26] <Upu> I lack the preamp but I do have 870feet on you :)
[15:26] <chrisg7ogx> LOL dribbling here
[15:26] <G8GTZ> Horizontal is not optimal for this but needed for the real use...
[15:26] <chrisg7ogx> pre-amp at antenna?
[15:26] <G8GTZ> I'd be interestd in seeing your 870ft tower??
[15:26] <Upu> lol mines vertically poliarized as this is "real" use
[15:27] <Upu> I'm at the top of a hill
[15:27] <Upu> 900 feet asl
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[15:27] <Upu> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/63720513/Images/HAM/Rotator/IMG_0796.JPG
[15:28] <G8GTZ> Ahh - 30ft is AGL, site is 170mts with good takeoff to north
[15:28] <G3VZV_Graham> G8GTZ - its a good signal here on a simple colinear up a tree Noel:)
[15:28] <chrisg7ogx> nothing here yet :@{
[15:29] <G8GTZ> yea but you're much nearer Graham ;-)
[15:29] <Upu> I don't think I'm going to be able to pick this up, it won't get high enough
[15:29] <G8GTZ> 213km for me...
[15:29] <Upu> however watch out
[15:29] <Upu> because $$STORM is going alot higher than this pico
[15:30] <g0hww> hmm. how do i get the flight drop down box in dl-fldigi? i've just got a version from the ppa repo
[15:30] <daveake> Still not a sniff here
[15:30] <G8GTZ> 434.074 is not a good freq for me - loads of QRM
[15:30] <GMT> I've got signals, but too weak to decode
[15:31] <g0hww> decodes are infrequent for me now
[15:32] <GMT> I can see the signal, is the shift about 400 or 410?
[15:32] <g0hww> i don't seem to have the right toolbar at the top of dl-fldigi
[15:32] <g0hww> 400
[15:33] <g0hww> i think
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[15:39] <g0hww> xaben getting stronger again
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[15:40] <junderwood_M0JCU> Real strong signal here considering how close I am to the radio horizon
[15:41] <mattbrejza> fianlly got a decode in soton
[15:41] <g0hww> still wonder why i can't get the telemetry toolbar to show in fl-digi
[15:41] <g0hww> dl-fldigi even
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[15:42] <Upu> I can actually see the signal
[15:42] <GMT> getting resonable signal at times, but can't get fldigi to decode
[15:42] <Upu> but no way thats decoding
[15:43] <g0hww> looks like it will decode, but without the toolbar i can't tell
[15:43] <mfa298> g0hww: are you starting the HAB version (I think dl-fldigi installs two icons one hab one non-hab)
[15:43] <gonzo__> check that the sql button is not checked
[15:43] <g0hww> i'm just running it from the shell
[15:43] <RocketBoy> pics from the launch http://www.flickr.com/photos/16828840@N07/sets/72157632399831961/
[15:43] <g0hww> on linux
[15:43] <DanielRichman> g0hww: run dl-fldigi --hab
[15:43] <g0hww> ah
[15:43] <mfa298> g0hww: in that case did you start it with --hab
[15:44] <New2Balloon> Guys. Do people use tumble recovery with a low altitude dual deployment shutes? Chatting through with a rocketeer chum,
[15:44] <g0hww> ah, thanks
[15:44] <GMT> now starting to get something approaching a decode
[15:45] <number10_M0MDB> You didnt go far from the car RocketBoy :)
[15:45] <g0hww> fading out for me now
[15:45] <RocketBoy> easy launch
[15:46] <RocketBoy> apart from slippig on the wet grass
[15:47] <number10_M0MDB> picked up the signal here when it was at 69m
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[15:52] <SP9UOB> Evening all
[15:53] <SP9UOB> is Steve here ?
[15:53] <chrisg7ogx> nice and strong here
[15:54] <number10_M0MDB> evening SP9UOB - he was a second ago - his nick is RocketBoy
[15:54] <chrisg7ogx> yes Fldgi installs full version and hab version
[15:54] <RocketBoy> yo
[15:56] <SP9UOB> RocketBoy: You wrote "data will include PIC die temperature (very roughly calibrated)" And im curious how are You measure temp? PIC afaik doesnt have temp sensor onboard
[15:58] <RocketBoy> the pic im using has a temp diode and constant current source that you can measure temp with
[15:58] <RocketBoy> using the 12bit A2D
[15:58] <SP9UOB> RocketBoy: OK. Thanks :-)
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[15:58] <chrisg7ogx> quite a lot of freq shift now
[15:59] <chrisg7ogx> must be changing position quickly relative to my position???
[15:59] <chrisg7ogx> anyway have a lock....fox one
[16:00] <Upu> yay got one
[16:00] <Upu> forgot this was a latex
[16:00] <craag> G8GTZ: Good to hear it's working :)
[16:01] <daveake> Still nothing here. Wonder if my aerial cable is broke
[16:02] <G8GTZ> Yep - orig position was 275 degrees, tracker just took it round and has tracked it all the way over about 15 degrees
[16:03] <GMT> woohoo, good decode uploaded!
[16:03] <RocketBoy> 1.4m/sec average ascent rate - I was aiming for 1.5 :-)
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[16:05] <mclane> is uxaben still up - i cannot see updated positions in spacenear?
[16:06] <GMT> drifting down in freq quite a bit, now on my Yupi at .070
[16:06] <number10_M0MDB> must be a problem daveake - you are well within horizon
[16:07] <daveake> Yeah, found something ... :p
[16:07] <G8GTZ> Be useful if when FLdigi is used to CAT control the rig it could report back the frequency on to space nearus?
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[16:08] <daveake> SMA plug from the FCD may not have been loose :)
[16:08] <Upu> think that information is already passed back G8GTZ
[16:08] <G8GTZ> OK
[16:08] <Upu> not sure if anything is being done with it yet
[16:09] <SP9UOB> RocketBoy: ok im found info about temperature diode in datasheet. Thanks.
[16:09] <G8GTZ> Drifting down to .072.2
[16:10] <G8GTZ> Problem would be everyone would report slightly different depending on cal of the rig ;-)
[16:11] <chrisg7ogx> yes would use up processing for what gained?
[16:11] <junderwood_M0JCU> Most modern radios are pretty close on frequency
[16:12] <junderwood_M0JCU> It would save an awful lot of "what dial freq?" requests if it were visible on spacenear.us
[16:12] <mclane> spacenear.us down?
[16:12] <DanielRichman> the latest version of dl-fldigi reports frequency if rig control is connected
[16:12] <DanielRichman> at the moment it's an experiment though, we'll wait to see how reliable it is
[16:12] <junderwood_M0JCU> Is there any way of seeing the uploaded freq data?
[16:12] <DanielRichman> but if it looks good certainly we'll have a page somewhere with current dial frequencies
[16:13] <SP9UOB> mclane: spacenear is working ok
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[16:13] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[16:13] <chrisg7ogx> working well here
[16:13] <SP9UOB> hi Lunar_Lander
[16:13] <DanielRichman> yeah. Do you want all the data/a method to get data in the future, or do you just want to see one example?
[16:13] <Lunar_Lander> hi SP9UOB
[16:13] <junderwood_M0JCU> Just curious to see what is being uploaded
[16:13] <Lunar_Lander> is x-f at the keyboard?
[16:13] <g0hww> is the tone spacing getting narrower woo?
[16:13] <g0hww> too, even
[16:13] <DanielRichman> junderwood_M0JCU: here's one example http://pastie.org/private/cbltvevx4watshjx2c38gw
[16:14] <junderwood_M0JCU> Although it would be interesting to be able to check during flights
[16:14] <GMT> I got the spacing down to 390 at the mo, seems to decode
[16:14] <g0hww> i've gone down to 360, looks like a better fit
[16:15] <number10_M0MDB> DanielRichman: thats interesting - I am not being able to control the 817 reporting IO error - so the info for my freq is not valid
[16:15] <junderwood_M0JCU> DanielRichman, fascinating. Is the freq dial or tone?
[16:15] <DanielRichman> junderwood_M0JCU: I have no idea. :P
[16:15] <DanielRichman> um
[16:16] <DanielRichman> it is "the first number I found in the rig control code that looked like it was probably dial frequency"
[16:16] <daveake> :D
[16:16] <DanielRichman> I expect it is dial
[16:16] <G8GTZ> How do I manually tweak the shift?
[16:16] <RocketBoy> bbl
[16:16] <DanielRichman> number10_M0MDB: interesting. It should only upload if the rig has been succesfully connected in the last ~30s or so
[16:17] <daveake> right-click the RTTY box bottom-left corner
[16:17] <DanielRichman> *upload frequency; uploading obviously works as normal without a rig
[16:17] <daveake> Then choose custom shift then set to what you want
[16:17] <DanielRichman> number10_M0MDB: perhaps reads are working but writes are not (or something like that?)
[16:17] <number10_M0MDB> maybe
[16:18] <number10_M0MDB> no its the valus thats in fldigi windo - but not on the rig
[16:18] <G8GTZ> Daveake - Tnks
[16:18] <chrisg7ogx> bearing change fast now
[16:18] <number10_M0MDB> value
[16:18] <g0hww> woohoo good decode
[16:19] <Upu> fsphil should be launching shortly
[16:19] <DanielRichman> number10_M0MDB: that is strange, because the bit that hooks into fldigi to get the dial frequency is meant to be in code called when the frequency is retrieved from the rig.
[16:19] <DanielRichman> which rig control library are you using?
[16:19] <G8GTZ> OK - will have to change from HRD to fldigi control during flights
[16:19] <number10_M0MDB> hamlib
[16:20] <number10_M0MDB> I have the same settings as upu - was wondering if its the usb-232 converter
[16:20] <G8GTZ> Can you operate fldigi in client server mode? My radio is 5 miles away ;-)
[16:20] <Upu> RDP G8GTZ :)
[16:21] <DanielRichman> number10_M0MDB: has the rig been succesfully connected once while fldigi is open, and now is no longer successfully connected?
[16:21] <G8GTZ> Currently using VNC - use remotehams for "normal" operation when I don't need PC control
[16:21] <number10_M0MDB> DanielRichman: rig has never connected to fldigi - works with hamdelux
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[16:22] <G8GTZ> OK - connect to HRD IP server right?
[16:22] <daveake> woo-f-ing-hoo ... a decode at last :)
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[16:26] <GMT> any ideas on a burst altitude for this baby? or is it a long-time flyer?
[16:27] <gonzo__> sigs here now, but weak and lots of qrm
[16:28] <Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/1WZ6h.png
[16:28] Action: g0hww goes for fast AFC and gets another decode
[16:29] <number10_M0MDB> GMT: I think steve is hoping for float - previous 100gs burst around 25k
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[16:30] <GMT> okay thank, I saw the pics, and the balloon seemed to be full, no room for expansion, past 8k now so long way to go
[16:31] <g0hww> fast AFC working better for me
[16:32] <chrisg7ogx> lost sigs here
[16:33] <GMT> Chris'OGX, where are you?
[16:34] <GMT> scrub that, just seen
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[16:41] <Upu> yay France
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[16:42] <mattbrejza> belguim
[16:43] <Upu> oops was zoomed in too far
[16:43] <Upu> yay Belgium
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[16:43] <Upu> just mind...
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[16:43] <Upu> looks a bit warm RocketBoy
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[16:48] <number10_M0MDB> was a bit cold on frame 480 -156.1
[16:48] <Upu> shall we assume the accuracy is "debatable" ?
[16:48] Nick change: Upu -> Upu_M0UPU
[16:48] <number10_M0MDB> :)
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[16:52] <fsphil> launch
[16:52] <fsphil> at bloody last :)
[16:52] <daveake> About ...
[16:52] <number10_M0MDB> :)
[16:53] <daveake> ... ah you said it first :)
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[16:53] <fsphil> lol
[16:53] <fsphil> getting dark here
[16:53] <Upu_M0UPU> yay
[16:53] <fsphil> just made it
[16:53] <Upu_M0UPU> lol
[16:53] <fsphil> 2m/s ascent
[16:53] <fsphil> spot on
[16:53] <Upu_M0UPU> perfect
[16:53] <fsphil> did it without scales
[16:53] <daveake> brave
[16:53] <fsphil> forgot to bring them :)
[16:53] <daveake> lol
[16:54] <lz1dev> there was a saying about bravery
[16:54] <lz1dev> :P
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[16:56] <GMT> phil, any idea on a general direction of flight for your balloon?
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[16:57] <fsphil> GMT: south east, then east over france
[16:57] <GMT> thanks phil, I will listen out for it when it gets closer and I loose Xaben; stunned to be still rx'ing Xaben!
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[16:58] <Upu_M0UPU> live prediction is set up for uXABEN not STORM at the moment
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[17:03] <number10_M0MDB> jcoxon is that your station in melbourn?
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[17:04] <GMT> remind me what kind of tx power from XABEN ?
[17:05] <number10_M0MDB> would only be 10mw
[17:06] <GMT> 10mw, 250km from me, wow!
[17:06] <G3VZV_Graham> still a good signal here in MK but cannot get a good decode due to QRM every few seconds:(
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[17:06] <fsphil> you receiving GMT?
[17:07] <GMT> phil, I'm tracking XABEN, yours has not appeared above my radio-horixon yet
[17:07] <chrisg7ogx> strong rtty sigs on sdr# but nothing on waterfall in fldigi
[17:08] <GMT> that's odd Chris, I've got sigs and I'm north of you ... it's well-down on freq, maybe .065?
[17:09] <junderwood_M0JCU> 434.063 here
[17:09] <chrisg7ogx> ok yes maybe my lack of understanding
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[17:09] <GMT> okay, showing as .062 here, but freq display not that accurate
[17:11] <chrisg7ogx> ok tks gmt have audio and trace but no print out
[17:11] <chrisg7ogx> i think shift is less than 500
[17:11] <GMT> shift is about 350/360 at the moment
[17:12] <chrisg7ogx> yes sooo in auto configure at mo how to manually change pse?
[17:13] <GMT> botton left of dl-fldigi ... right-click on 'rtty' in little box ... can you see that?
[17:13] <chrisg7ogx> yes
[17:13] <chrisg7ogx> custom shift greyed out
[17:13] <GMT> click on carrier-shift (top left) and then click on 'custom' ... okay?
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[17:14] <chrisg7ogx> yes tks appreciated
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[17:15] <GMT> in 'custom shift' below, click on double-left arrow to decrease shift value; then 'save', then 'close'
[17:16] <chrisg7ogx> done thanks
[17:17] <chrisg7ogx> got all the right letters but not necessarily in the right orderĀ¬!
[17:17] <chrisg7ogx> anyone else agree beeb would have been lost this christmas without morecambe and wise repeats?
[17:18] <GMT> have you got your spectacle on at a funny angle? can you say 'boom-boo, yatter-ya-taa'?
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[17:19] <GMT> 'OGX, from the same RTTY setup screen (right-click small 'rtty' box) are the other params correct 50 baud, 7, N, 2 ... ?
[17:20] <chrisg7ogx> yes was receiving ok earlier
[17:20] <chrisg7ogx> have fairly strong trace and strong audio
[17:21] <chrisg7ogx> afc following nicely
[17:21] <GMT> are you decoding and uploading?
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[17:21] <domlin> hey all
[17:22] <chrisg7ogx> think nearly there as repitition of letters Tr%2r2$Irr%2r%%r$%%2RR$NKKKKA"lTR%2R2$2%IR%22%%%I2KKKKA"lT2%2R2$%IrrI$2%%dRV@KKKKA"lT%2R2dIIIr%2rd%
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[17:22] <GMT> okay, bottom right, is 'Rv' button green?
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[17:22] <chrisg7ogx> no
[17:23] <chrisg7ogx> is now lol
[17:23] <chrisg7ogx> and i am joining the gang sorry lost lots of data there
[17:23] <chrisg7ogx> wonder what happened
[17:23] <GMT> okay, it *shouldn't be* , but click it to make it green, and then again to 'un-make' it ... just to reset things
[17:24] <chrisg7ogx> receiving and printing fine on green
[17:24] <GMT> okay, confirm you are decoding and uploading?
[17:25] <chrisg7ogx> soooo i have reversed somewhere as green(RV) has brought it back
[17:25] <junderwood_M0JCU> chrisg7ogx, which radio?
[17:25] <chrisg7ogx> confirm up load and receiving
[17:25] <chrisg7ogx> funcube dongle pro plus
[17:25] <GMT> 'OGX, mine isn't green, but I had a similar prob on an earlier flight a few weeks ago
[17:25] <number10_M0MDB> probably tuned the wrong side
[17:26] <junderwood_M0JCU> You must be listening on LSB
[17:26] <Upu_M0UPU> or press swap IQ
[17:26] <Upu_M0UPU> on the SDR
[17:26] <chrisg7ogx> no usb checked
[17:26] <Upu_M0UPU> swap IQ
[17:26] <chrisg7ogx> yurp! bet its swap iq
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[17:29] <chrisg7ogx> dont really want to tweak anything else here till after excitement, i see the other ballon will be coming this way
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[17:30] <gonzo__> ad, I heard a wobble
[17:30] <gonzo__> ah
[17:30] <G3VZV_Graham> ? bursted?
[17:30] <number10_M0MDB> me too
[17:30] <junderwood_M0JCU> Still going up
[17:30] <number10_M0MDB> not burst
[17:30] <gonzo__> yep
[17:31] <G3VZV_Graham> a passing plane then?
[17:31] <gonzo__> don't say that too loud1
[17:31] <gonzo__> !
[17:31] <gonzo__> bird strike
[17:32] <Upu_M0UPU> passing plane vs 100g balloon is probably not going to end well for the balloon
[17:32] <Upu_M0UPU> also its a bit high for planes
[17:32] <Upu_M0UPU> wind levels or something
[17:32] <gonzo__> drip of moisture in the payload?
[17:32] <chrisg7ogx> signal refection
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[17:33] <chrisg7ogx> reflection off aircraft
[17:34] <gonzo__> didn't seem reflections or anything. Recon it was a freq shift or poss doppler, if it got whipped by wind
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[17:34] <chrisg7ogx> i still cannot get over signal strength from 10 Mw
[17:34] <number10_M0MDB> nothing in the way of commercial planes in the area on flightradar
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[17:34] <chrisg7ogx> sig would be dopplerish off aircraft
[17:34] <GMT> Gonzo prob right as package attached directly to balloon according to photos
[17:35] <chrisg7ogx> yeah but that is by far not all aircraft?
[17:35] <gonzo__> would expect to see multiple trace of it was a reflection
[17:35] <gonzo__> poss hit some serious turbulance?
[17:36] <chrisg7ogx> only aircraft fitted with certain transponders i think..
[17:36] <Upu_M0UPU> as it goes up it passes through different levels of winds
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[17:44] <fsphil> gps on storm has frozen
[17:44] <jcoxon> fsphil, oh noes
[17:45] <Lunar_Lander> the spacenear site doesn't load
[17:45] <Upu_M0UPU> odd as the code as detected it
[17:45] <Upu_M0UPU> and put them module back in max performance
[17:45] <jcoxon> is it still tx'ing?
[17:46] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah fine
[17:46] <fsphil> a really nice signal jcoxon
[17:46] <fsphil> although dropping in frequency fast
[17:46] <mclane> Lunar_Lander: I have the same issue
[17:46] <fsphil> I suspect the gps is too cold
[17:48] <mclane> however, I can see the logtail from habitat
[17:48] <JFS1> Current frequency for yXaben?
[17:49] <Rob_m0dts> i'm decoding storm and getting checksum ok but no update to the map?
[17:50] <junderwood_M0JCU> uXABEN is 434.061
[17:50] <Upu_M0UPU> Rob_m0dts GPS has frozen
[17:50] <Upu_M0UPU> whats the dial ?
[17:50] <KT5TK> Lunar_Lander: Try to receive directly. You may be in range already
[17:50] <JFS1> Ta
[17:51] <Rob_m0dts> aha right spotted that now ;-)
[17:51] <Upu_M0UPU> what frequency have you got it ?
[17:51] <griffonbot> Received email: Philip Heron "[UKHAS] Belated launch announcement: STORM"
[17:51] <griffonbot> @PD3EM: Decoding a nice #HAB flight over France from uXABEN from the UK: http://t.co/DNSb0fKM #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/PD3EM/status/286167812710494208]
[17:52] <Rob_m0dts> 434.192
[17:52] <Upu_M0UPU> cheers
[17:52] <Rob_m0dts> very strong!
[17:52] <Upu_M0UPU> we think the module has got too cold, its still responding
[17:52] <fsphil> it's a fantastic signal
[17:52] <Upu_M0UPU> and the code has pulled it out of power saving mode
[17:53] <Upu_M0UPU> fsphil's excellent antenna
[17:53] <fsphil> good old shagi
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[17:53] <Rob_m0dts> lets hope it recovers, otherwise we can get rough location with DF from stations with yagi's
[17:53] <Upu_M0UPU> yeap
[17:53] <fsphil> that's what I'm thinking
[17:54] <fsphil> my radio is having to retune to keep up
[17:54] <fsphil> 434.191 now
[17:54] <G3VZV_Graham_> oh yes can see it here now on the waterfall drifting LF rather quickly tho
[17:54] <fsphil> yes
[17:54] <fsphil> it's still going up then :)
[17:54] <fsphil> it would be rather annoying if this thing got to 44km :)
[17:55] <Upu_M0UPU> its over the sea below isle of man I think
[17:56] <fsphil> yea that'd be about right
[17:56] <x-f> is it a 1600g?
[17:56] <fsphil> yea
[17:56] <fsphil> it is however, a year old
[17:56] <fsphil> but been stored well
[17:57] <x-f> i hope the GPS comes back
[17:57] <fsphil> it might come back at sunrise
[17:57] <fsphil> but who knows where it'll be by then
[17:58] <fsphil> dropping in frequency again
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[17:58] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah thats alot of drift
[17:58] <Lunar_Lander> KT5TK, no radio at hand
[18:00] <gonzo__> some odd tweaks in freq
[18:00] <gonzo__> ooooohhh
[18:00] <gonzo__> losing lock?
[18:00] <fsphil> storm or xaben?
[18:00] <gonzo__> xaben
[18:00] <fsphil> eek
[18:01] <gonzo__> ah, didn't realist anothef was up too
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[18:01] <fsphil> neither does it :)
[18:01] <Rob_m0dts> storm sounding rough here now..
[18:01] <jcoxon> its odd that the gps has stopped
[18:01] <Rob_m0dts> gone..
[18:01] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah gone
[18:01] <fsphil> dead
[18:02] <Elmar_PD3EM> happy new year to all of you!
[18:02] <Rob_m0dts> up to 434.270 so far...
[18:03] <Elmar_PD3EM> uXABEN is sounding strange.....
[18:04] <Rob_m0dts> 434.435....
[18:05] <PE7ER> happy newyear to all balloon peoples ;) (lost uxaben decoding here)
[18:05] <Elmar_PD3EM> on 434.063 still s1 signal from uXABEN. sounds like some software error or so...
[18:05] <GMT> I can still just about hear some kind of warbling rtty signal from XABEN, not a hope of a decode
[18:06] <PE7ER> drift changed so maybe bursted ?
[18:06] <fsphil> Rob_m0dts: what's on 434.435?
[18:06] <Elmar_PD3EM> didn't sound like a burst
[18:07] <Rob_m0dts> the noise from the ulockedtx i think, folowing it up the band..hi
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[18:07] <Rob_m0dts> 434.65 now..
[18:07] <Elmar_PD3EM> getting partial decodes again: $$$$$uXABEN,8s4,18:00:05<50n27533,3.52367,17370,1x2>2,3.05,1.10*F360
[18:08] <junderwood_M0JCU> same here
[18:08] <RocketBoy> looks like uXABEN battery is struggling with the cold - still it worked all the way down to 0.8V when i tested it - even seemed to recover after a while
[18:08] <fsphil> Rob_m0dts: I'm seeing that too
[18:08] <Elmar_PD3EM> still 3.25 vollt
[18:08] <RocketBoy> is that just recently - or through the flight?
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[18:09] <RocketBoy> yeah - the Vdd looks good
[18:09] <GMT> XABEN signal improving again
[18:09] <Elmar_PD3EM> GPS fix error?
[18:09] <Elmar_PD3EM> $$$$$uXABEN,841,18:00:05,50.27533,3.52367,17370,177.3,3.24,1.08*14E7 $$&$$uXCBEN,842,18:00:05,50.27533,3.52367,17370,183.9,3.24,0.95*4216 $$$$$uXABEN,843,18:00:05,50.27533,3.52367,17370,180.5,3.2V1.08*9B3F $$$$$uXABEN,|44,18:00:05,50.27533,3.52367,17370,173.6,3.24,1.10*42CB
[18:10] <Elmar_PD3EM> same time and position for last couple of reports
[18:11] <Elmar_PD3EM> signals sounds better now
[18:12] <Rob_m0dts> fsphil: watching it on sdr now so dont have to tune all teh time!
[18:12] <Elmar_PD3EM> signal's gone...
[18:12] <gonzo__> just lost xaben
[18:12] <RocketBoy> probably the cold - not sure whats happened to the thermometer - I'll take a look at the code
[18:12] <PE7ER> oops
[18:12] <junderwood_M0JCU> gone again
[18:13] <junderwood_M0JCU> battery dropped quickly before we lost it
[18:13] <RocketBoy> keep listening - it may come back - it did during testing
[18:14] <Elmar_PD3EM> last complete string: $$$$$uXABEN,854,1\:00:05,50.27533,3.42367,17370,171.4,3.25,1.09*9D70
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[18:16] <RocketBoy> not come back? hey ho - thanks
[18:18] <jcoxon> so have both disappeared?
[18:19] <fsphil> fun fun
[18:19] <fsphil> aliens
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[18:19] <fsphil> storm appears to be transmitting noise
[18:19] <Rob_m0dts> storm unlocked is on
[18:19] <fsphil> where's it at now?
[18:19] <GMT> what freq for STORM?
[18:19] <Rob_m0dts> starting to drop back down towards original freq..
[18:19] <fsphil> interesting
[18:20] <fsphil> it may be warming up
[18:20] <Rob_m0dts> ~3khz/second drift ~435
[18:20] <fsphil> it's doing it in steps?
[18:21] <Rob_m0dts> gradual
[18:23] <fsphil> where now?
[18:24] <gonzo__> something about 434.350
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[18:25] <Rob_m0dts> 434.880
[18:27] <Rob_m0dts> http:/www.m0dts.co.uk/files/storm1.jpg
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[18:27] <Rob_m0dts> http://www.m0dts.co.uk/files/storm1.jpg
[18:27] <PE7ER> uxaben lost at exactly 1800 z here @ frame 806 , time related error? (i am a noob )
[18:27] <fsphil> that is weird
[18:29] <number10_M0MDB> the time was still 18:00 at frame 855
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[18:30] <Rob_m0dts> ~225deg heading from here now
[18:30] <fsphil> got a weird noise on 434.870, rising slowly
[18:31] <fsphil> it doesn't sound like there's any data in it
[18:31] <gonzo__> .350 is probably local noise for me
[18:31] <Elmar_PD3EM> see http://pastebin.com/zfJXuswK for some uXABEN decodes before and after errors
[18:31] <Rob_m0dts> no data heard, 435.000 ish now
[18:31] <Lunar_Lander> hi Elmar_PD3EM
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[18:32] <Elmar_PD3EM> hi Lunar_Lander
[18:32] <Upu_M0UPU> Rob_m0dts do you see something on 434.194.5 ?
[18:33] <Rob_m0dts> nothing here on .194
[18:34] <Upu_M0UPU> must be local
[18:34] <Upu_M0UPU> ok lets do some maths
[18:34] <GMT> getting a regular pulse (2/sec) on 434.7125
[18:35] <RocketBoy> Elmar_PD3EM: thanks for the last uXABEN decodes - looks like the cold and ow battery got it
[18:35] <fsphil> is it colder than normal tonight?
[18:35] <Elmar_PD3EM> your welcome RocketBoy !
[18:35] <fsphil> seems odd that two payloads fail in the same way, within 30 minutes of eachother
[18:35] <Elmar_PD3EM> I also have a recording from the strange sounded signal
[18:35] <RocketBoy> 2013
[18:36] <x-f> 2013 :)
[18:36] <fsphil> not such a happy new year then!
[18:36] <fsphil> I want my money back!
[18:36] <fsphil> these cards lied to me
[18:36] <Upu_M0UPU> oh uXaben died too :/
[18:36] <RocketBoy> yeah with the emphasis on the 13
[18:37] <Upu_M0UPU> ok well keep an eye out for STORM it may come back to life when the temperate gets warmer at altitude
[18:37] <daveake> Possibly the best chance of a successful balloon flight today is to watch "Up!" on the telly :p
[18:37] <RocketBoy> yeah - I think the cold got to the battery
[18:37] <F5APQ> Signal is back on 434.061
[18:37] <chrisg7ogx> i'll stay on 434.200 just in case
[18:38] <Lunar_Lander> hello RocketBoy and x-f
[18:38] <Upu_M0UPU> bonus HAB points to the first person to require
[18:38] <Upu_M0UPU> telemetry F5APQ ?
[18:38] <gonzo__> just fornd .0612 as well
[18:38] <gonzo__> found
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[18:39] <x-f> hi, Lunar_Lander
[18:39] <RocketBoy> could be XABEN - like I said it came back during testing
[18:39] <F5APQ> telemetry vy bad for the moment
[18:39] <gonzo__> sounds similar to the warble we got before
[18:40] <gonzo__> weak here but poss there are traces of tty in the warble
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[18:42] <Elmar_PD3EM> not much to decode: ,%%}daO-77<Xxt:8;14^Pxr814,0_x8201,^y>{.5 -6>Pvf851.mat++~Z.r
[18:44] <number10_M0MDB> $`$$uXABENY>l08:00:80,000$0*00080,0|2Pu2<2.0,0.49'
[18:45] <gonzo__> yep, definotly hear the shape of the tty ij there now
[18:45] <number10_M0MDB> is definately xaben
[18:45] <PE7ER> got it here too shift is 240 hz now no decode
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[18:45] <number10_M0MDB> ~$$$uABEN4y80z00:20|1pp0,0.08x0 r
[18:45] <RocketBoy> yea - its not dead
[18:45] <F5APQ> Telemetry better but no GPS
[18:46] <Elmar_PD3EM> sigal is much weaker than before
[18:47] <Lunar_Lander> x-f, can I ask a short question?
[18:47] <chrisg7ogx> abt 434.061 but narrower shift?
[18:47] <PE7ER> 240 here
[18:48] <Elmar_PD3EM> last string: {$$${pgBUN,70,@0000~00Cu<8ppp08L0 ,649r42Y1(13W01w}/~_
[18:48] <RocketBoy> its trying hard
[18:49] <Elmar_PD3EM> sounds like a burst now.....
[18:49] <number10_M0MDB> $$$$uXABEN570200:00,0.0000p.0 00,0,3.0,2.20,0.53*C9EF
[18:49] <jcoxon> can see it on my waterfall
[18:50] <Elmar_PD3EM> $$lUBE\,=9,0080pz0$,0. ,0,$.00080,,9270(2.6<0.63"y7E?s?
[18:50] <eroomde> said the actress
[18:50] <PE7ER> %$%$$uXABEN,58,00:00:80,2.00000,0.000000,186.=,2.23,0.64*4uD8
[18:50] <number10_M0MDB> $$$$$uXABEN,60,00:00:00, .00000,0.00000, ,194,6,2.03,0.43*5AAF
[18:51] <RocketBoy> its might come back if it can warm up
[18:51] <PE7ER> $$$$uXABN,63,00:00:0,0.00002,0.00000,0,188.8,2.34,0.52*E747 it's back well sorta?
[18:51] <Elmar_PD3EM> $$uXABEN,64,00.00z08,0.0000,0.000000,181,9,2.30,0.44:EB4
[18:51] <chrisg7ogx> what freq?
[18:51] <number10_M0MDB> I got a green
[18:51] <Elmar_PD3EM> 434.064.2
[18:51] <number10_M0MDB> $$$$$uXABEN,65,00:00:00,0.00000,0.00000,0,182.5,2.21,0.44*6585
[18:52] <chrisg7ogx> ive got a a tone very regular every second
[18:52] <RocketBoy> its re-set
[18:53] <Rob_m0dts> storm 220deg beam heading from me now.
[18:53] <gonzo__> the sig sounds like it's regular qsb
[18:53] <jcoxon> is it a lassen or a ublox?
[18:53] <Upu_M0UPU> storm back ?
[18:53] <RocketBoy> ublox
[18:53] <gonzo__> poss burst and chuteing down
[18:53] <jcoxon> could it be too cold for the serial comms?
[18:53] <Rob_m0dts> no, still watching unlocked tx, if u have rtlsdr dongle u can monitor it easy
[18:53] <jcoxon> rather than the gps
[18:53] <Elmar_PD3EM> uXABEN: 18km altitude error?
[18:54] <Upu_M0UPU> Rob_m0dts what frequency ?
[18:54] <jcoxon> Elmar_PD3EM, not a ublox
[18:54] <Rob_m0dts> 435.265 +/- ~50KHz..hi
[18:54] <Upu_M0UPU> 265 ?
[18:54] <jcoxon> even in the wrong mode it'll break at 12km
[18:55] <Upu_M0UPU> 435 ?
[18:55] <Rob_m0dts> yes correct
[18:55] <Elmar_PD3EM> ok jcoxon it was just a little thought ;-)
[18:55] <jcoxon> Elmar_PD3EM, its a good point though!
[18:56] <Rob_m0dts> Upu_M0UPU no data just noisy signal
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[18:56] <Upu_M0UPU> sure thats it ?
[18:56] <Elmar_PD3EM> ,$$uXABEN,$5,00:00:00,0.00000,0.00080,p,105.8,2.2: 4.<%>zswTAcx..cu%
[18:56] <gonzo__> xaben had a freq step then
[18:57] <gonzo__> and back to warble tx
[18:57] <Upu_M0UPU> I see that Rob_m0dts
[18:57] <Rob_m0dts> yes followed it up from original freq, it had ballooon like fading and on correct heading moving south.
[18:57] <Upu_M0UPU> I also see something very similar on 434.193
[18:58] <Rob_m0dts> ah, i dont see that
[18:58] <Upu_M0UPU> wierd
[18:58] <jcoxon> Upu_M0UPU, harmonic?
[18:59] <Upu_M0UPU> possibly
[18:59] <Rob_m0dts> some mixing effect maybe
[18:59] <Upu_M0UPU> receiving that signal on 435.267
[18:59] <Rob_m0dts> it is still strong, yes but try higher up like .320 there is another stronger peak
[19:00] <Elmar_PD3EM> reset again... ?
[19:00] <number10_M0MDB> yes
[19:00] <Upu_M0UPU> heading is about 210' from me
[19:01] <Elmar_PD3EM> uXABEN is giving the same strange sound again....
[19:01] <Elmar_PD3EM> but signal is getting stronger
[19:01] <gonzo__> the shift is increasing again
[19:01] <gonzo__> back towards original
[19:02] <Elmar_PD3EM> yep 340 shift again now
[19:02] <gonzo__> but the warble means I get no decode
[19:02] <Rob_m0dts> ~220 ish from me so can pinpoint with that and see where it meets!
[19:02] <Elmar_PD3EM> had a few 100% decodes before it started shifting again
[19:03] <Upu_M0UPU> still 220 Rob ?
[19:05] <Rob_m0dts> just trying to check again, the lines did not meet..hi
[19:05] <Upu_M0UPU> its 180 from me
[19:05] <Upu_M0UPU> moving quick ?
[19:06] <Rob_m0dts> i would say somehwere between 215 and 220 from me
[19:06] <Rob_m0dts> hard to tesll so strong
[19:06] <Rob_m0dts> u should be ~225 ish?
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[19:07] <Upu_M0UPU> 185 atm
[19:07] <Upu_M0UPU> due south
[19:07] <Upu_M0UPU> as near as dammit
[19:08] <Elmar_PD3EM> $$$$$uXABEN,29,00:00:00,0.00000,0.00000<0,96.7,2. 9,0.71(;2F
[19:08] <Rob_m0dts> odd
[19:08] <Upu_M0UPU> very
[19:08] <jcoxon> what freq?
[19:09] <Elmar_PD3EM> jcoxon: 434.066.3
[19:09] <jcoxon> oh i mean storm
[19:10] <Elmar_PD3EM> jcoxon: ok ;-)
[19:10] <Rob_m0dts> 435.570 +-- a lot
[19:10] <Upu_M0UPU> 435.267 we think
[19:10] <Rob_m0dts> hmm!
[19:10] <Elmar_PD3EM> good decode from uXABEN: $$$$$uXABEN,38,00:00:00,0.00000,0.00000,0,78.5,2.37,0.80*A91A
[19:11] <Upu_M0UPU> I see similar signals all the way up there Rob
[19:11] <Upu_M0UPU> I'm not convinced :)
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[19:11] <Elmar_PD3EM> the signal is sounding better now... so maybe a altitude/cold problem together with a few resets
[19:12] <Rob_m0dts> ha, here's another sdr screenshot:
[19:12] <Rob_m0dts> http://www.m0dts.co.uk/files/storm2.jpg
[19:12] <Elmar_PD3EM> uXABEN is gone again.....
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[19:14] <Rob_m0dts> i would say heading now is 215. that puts it in bristol channel going by predictor
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[19:15] <fsphil> very odd
[19:15] <Upu_M0UPU> I still have a signal on 434.195
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[19:15] <Rob_m0dts> very
[19:16] <Upu_M0UPU> 194
[19:16] <Upu_M0UPU> which is on bearing with what you are saying
[19:16] <Rob_m0dts> odd
[19:16] <Rob_m0dts> :-)
[19:16] <Upu_M0UPU> 200'
[19:17] <Rob_m0dts> so you dont hear what i am on 435.570 ish?
[19:17] <Upu_M0UPU> I see lots of things like that up there
[19:17] <fsphil> 434.198 is clear
[19:17] <Upu_M0UPU> 194
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[19:17] <fsphil> I have a strong carrier on 435.575
[19:17] <Rob_m0dts> storm signal is way obove all the other signals here.
[19:17] <fsphil> too steady to be the payload
[19:18] <Rob_m0dts> drifting al teh tine 435.600 now, use fm to dind it
[19:18] <Rob_m0dts> *find
[19:19] <fsphil> got noise on 435.608
[19:19] <fsphil> keeps moving
[19:19] <Rob_m0dts> thats it
[19:19] <fsphil> 435.615
[19:19] <Rob_m0dts> yes
[19:19] <fsphil> well that can't be local to either of us
[19:19] <Rob_m0dts> drifting up
[19:20] <fsphil> 635 now
[19:20] <Rob_m0dts> yes
[19:20] <fsphil> hopefully this means it will snap back
[19:20] <Rob_m0dts> hope so
[19:20] <Rob_m0dts> maybe well gone by then distance wise
[19:21] <Upu_M0UPU> well it should get warmer as it gets over 35km
[19:21] <Upu_M0UPU> was a slow ascent
[19:21] <Rob_m0dts> i'm off now for a bit but will be back
[19:22] <Upu_M0UPU> cheers Rob
[19:22] <fsphil> thanks for tracking again Rob
[19:22] <fsphil> that's twice you've been the only one to hear it :)
[19:23] <Rob_m0dts> only one more to make three....
[19:23] <Elmar_PD3EM> some weak wobbling signals from uXABEN on 464.062.2
[19:23] <Elmar_PD3EM> 434.062.2
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[19:25] <fsphil> is xaben floating I wonder
[19:25] <Elmar_PD3EM> still no position on xaben... so don't know
[19:26] <F5APQ> xaben always on but no gps telemetry
[19:26] <Elmar_PD3EM> as I heard the same things/sounds twice I don't think its floating
[19:32] <Elmar_PD3EM> I don't have a beam atm so can't make a bearing now... $$$}XABEH,u0,00z00<0p,0.0000 ,0200,4,00,5,1CA/3AK.f?~
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[19:37] <jcoxon> whats xaben on again?
[19:38] <Elmar_PD3EM> 343.062.2 230 hz shift
[19:38] <F5APQ> always on for me but signal vy poor now
[19:38] <Elmar_PD3EM> but still no gps lock and on packet #77 so reset again
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[19:39] <F5APQ> telemetry ok but gps
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[19:43] <SP9UOB> is xaben floating?
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[19:44] <Elmar_PD3EM> I don't think so SP9UOB but F5APQ has better signal so he might have a thought on this. UXABEN lost gps fix
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[19:45] <SP9UOB> i can setup receiver here in Poland, but im affraid is too far/low by now
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[19:47] <Elmar_PD3EM> I lost the signal here
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[19:50] <F5APQ> lost signal also bye
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[19:52] <f5apq_> last good telemetry for xaben $$$$$uXABEN,113,00:00:00,0.00000,0.00000,0,243.4,1.90,0.50*9375
[19:53] <frank__> Is xaben still on air?
[19:53] <RocketBoy> thanks for listening guys
[19:54] <SP9UOB> strange GPS disease ;-) 3 flights: SP9UOB-3, uXABEN, STORM
[19:54] <SP9UOB> all with failed GPS
[19:54] <SP9UOB> its time to move to GLONASS ;-)
[19:54] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
[19:56] <fsphil> hah
[19:56] <fsphil> tis a shame, as all those flights where really interesting
[19:56] <fsphil> does mean RocketBoy gets another order for a balloon though, so not all bad ;)
[19:56] <SP9UOB> fsphil: also 2 of them was 100g envelope
[19:58] <SP9UOB> fsphil: at least i have landing position of my payload ;-) Its worth nothing... but it is ;-)
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[20:07] <mclane> can someone please check spacenear.us? connection is very slow
[20:07] <mclane> and not showing balloon data
[20:08] <chrisstubbs> No new data since 18:00 for uxaben
[20:09] <mclane> I know, it does not show any data (panel on the left side missing)
[20:09] <mclane> I mean on the right side ;-))
[20:10] <SP9UOB> mclane: here works ok
[20:12] <mclane> strange - then it might be a network problem
[20:13] <Rob_m0dts> STORM noisy tx signal still strong here, now 195 heading.. going by original prediction it's over the channel south of Torquay.
[20:13] <frank__> mclane: works fine for me too.
[20:15] <Upu> Rob_m0dts thats the signal I've had all along
[20:15] <fsphil> still got it here too
[20:15] <Rob_m0dts> ok, it;s definately moving south for me though, currently 435.73
[20:16] <fsphil> it should start heading east shortly
[20:21] <Lunar_Lander> hi mclane
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[20:21] <mclane> hi Lunar_Lander
[20:22] <Lunar_Lander> happy new year
[20:22] <mclane> same for you!
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[20:23] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
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[20:23] <Lunar_Lander> good work on translating the tracking manual
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[20:44] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Daniels "RE: [UKHAS] Belated launch announcement: STORM"
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[20:58] <jcoxon_> evening all
[20:58] <SP9UOB> evening jcoxon
[20:58] <domlin> ahoyhoy
[20:59] <jcoxon_> so
[20:59] <jcoxon_> i've got a proposal for UKHAS and further
[20:59] <jcoxon_> mainly for UK people
[21:00] <jcoxon_> we might be able to get permission for a launch this weekend
[21:00] <jcoxon_> when the winds are going to be very slow
[21:00] <jcoxon_> so a floater is going to stick around
[21:01] <fsphil> that would be cool
[21:01] <jcoxon_> so i've built a FM repeater
[21:02] <fsphil> ntx2+nrx2?
[21:02] <jcoxon_> indeed
[21:02] <jcoxon_> so i propose that on the weekend we make an APRS network on 434.075
[21:02] <fsphil> I made one of those a while back but the quality through it was very poor
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[21:02] <jcoxon_> the balloon can listen into this
[21:02] <jcoxon_> and retransmit the packets on 10mW
[21:03] <fsphil> you thinking digipeater or audio repeater?
[21:04] <jcoxon_> currently its a parrot repeater
[21:04] <SP9UOB> fsphil: we are using cross-band repeater build from 2 BAOFENG uv-3r
[21:04] <jcoxon_> i'm having a fight with soundmodem
[21:04] <fsphil> I've frequently had fights with soundmodem
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[21:05] <fsphil> baofeng would be too powerful for us
[21:05] <SP9UOB> jcoxon_: just put my dsDIGI up, as digipeater: http://sp9uob.verox.pl/dsdigi.html (use google translate)
[21:05] <SP9UOB> fsphil: right.. UK OFCOM regulations
[21:05] <jcoxon_> so the current setup goes like this:
[21:06] <jcoxon_> 1) send rtty
[21:06] <jcoxon_> 2) record 15 seconds
[21:06] <jcoxon_> 3) play back 15 seconds
[21:06] <jcoxon_> repeat!
[21:06] <fsphil> be interesting to see if I could get a message throuhg that, with the yagi setup here
[21:07] <jcoxon_> what do you think?
[21:07] <fsphil> I think the problem with mine was that it was recording and transmitting at the same time
[21:07] <fsphil> the transmitter was blinding the receiver
[21:07] <fsphil> doing the recording and transmitting separate is a good plan
[21:08] <fsphil> how are you recording it?
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[21:08] <jcoxon_> gumstix
[21:09] <jcoxon_> using arecord and aplay :-)
[21:09] <fsphil> they're nice devices
[21:11] <jcoxon_> its pretty old now
[21:12] <fsphil> it could be a while before the winds suit this
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[21:12] <jcoxon_> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/17724_trj001.gif
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[21:16] <fsphil> day and a half? not bad
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[21:25] <jcoxon_> fsphil, need to think of some redundencies
[21:25] <jcoxon_> some sort of failsafes
[21:25] <jcoxon_> as i don't want it txing and causing trouble
[21:25] <fsphil> it shouldn't cause any more trouble than a payload normally would
[21:26] <fsphil> it's always going to be limited in what it can put out
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[21:26] <jcoxon_> true
[21:27] <fsphil> and it being FM will limit it
[21:28] <eroomde> anna my swedish friend 'i'm going to go and grab my book'. me: 'i bet it's a gritty crime drama?'. anna: 'how did you know?'
[21:29] <jcoxon_> haha
[21:29] <Lunar_Lander> XD
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[21:56] <New2Balloon> someone able to answer a parachute question?
[21:58] <daveake> They're round
[21:59] <New2Balloon> :) they are BUT friend of mine, a rocketeer, is curious as to why deployable chutes aren't used? He suggests that for a closer decent to home, the chute could be set to be deployed at say 5000ft. There must be a reason why you don't do this?
[21:59] <lz1dev> complexity
[21:59] <daveake> It's possible. Not good if it doesn't work.
[21:59] <daveake> Simple is good
[22:00] <Upu> no need to have the added complexity
[22:00] <daveake> things go wrong in hab. Simpler = more reliably
[22:00] <daveake> _e-y
[22:00] <Upu> we don't go up quick enough for it to be a problem
[22:00] <Upu> also if it just dropped from altitude it would tumble badly
[22:00] <Upu> RX would be a nightmare and you'd likely loose your antenna or bend it
[22:01] <Upu> so having the parachute adds a level of stability
[22:01] <New2Balloon> I'm comfotable with simple, I like this, these answers will show him :) What about a streamer to slow and stabilise before the shute goes?
[22:01] <Upu> or how about just the chute :)
[22:01] <daveake> Yep. It's common to get telemetry all the way down from burst. Didn't even lose any packets in my SSDV flights
[22:02] <New2Balloon> don't get me wrong, I'm with you
[22:02] <Upu> the other thing is if doesn't deploy
[22:02] <New2Balloon> but he's going to want more than "cause thats what we do"
[22:02] <Upu> you have 1kg of payload which immediately poses an imminent danger to members of the public
[22:02] <lz1dev> one day somebody must build a sky crane for landing a hab
[22:02] <Upu> simple is good
[22:03] <daveake> Many HAB points for 1st person to emulate the Curiosity landing
[22:03] <lz1dev> what do you have against skycranes :(
[22:03] <Upu> oh Skycrane was just amazing
[22:03] <Upu> opposite end of the scale from simple though :)
[22:03] <lz1dev> oposite end of the awesome scale
[22:04] <lz1dev> wait
[22:04] <daveake> And Mars isn't populated by people who may get killed and/or litigious if you land 1kg of payload on them
[22:04] <lz1dev> i've confused myself
[22:05] <New2Balloon> :) thanks guys, enough here to cut and paste to show him!
[22:05] <lz1dev> if we move all the people to mars
[22:05] <lz1dev> that would solve the problems
[22:06] <Upu> a worthy plan however I wonder if the lack of breathable atmosphere may scupper it
[22:06] <fsphil> get your hab to mars </arnie>
[22:08] <lz1dev> would habing work on mars?
[22:08] <lz1dev> give the lack of atmosphere
[22:08] <daveake> You're in a JohnnyHAB
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[22:09] <lz1dev> so, we need to terraform mars to produce atmosphere
[22:09] <lz1dev> and move all humanity there
[22:10] <fsphil> you could do a balloon on mars
[22:10] <fsphil> the atmosphere is mostly carbon
[22:10] <fsphil> just need a big balloon, and it wouldn't get very high
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[22:10] <daveake> and a big chute
[22:10] <lz1dev> what about jupiter?
[22:10] <daveake> But probably you won't need a notam
[22:11] <lz1dev> tons of atmosphere there
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[22:12] <fsphil> jupiter is mostly hydrogen
[22:12] <fsphil> a regular launch would actually fall
[22:12] <lz1dev> so, fill the balloon with air
[22:12] <fsphil> you'd need some kind of vacuum balloon
[22:12] <fsphil> air would fall quicker
[22:12] <lz1dev> nowait
[22:12] <fsphil> I guess if you heated it
[22:12] <fsphil> you could do a hot air balloon
[22:12] <fsphil> or hot hydrogen in this case
[22:14] <daveake> I'm so glad we populated a planet "just right" for HABbing :)
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[22:17] Action: SP9UOB is watching (again) SexMisja - polish comedy about 2 mens hibernated, and unfreezet in women wolrd :-)
[22:17] <SP9UOB> unfreezed
[22:18] <SP9UOB> if You can find version with english subtitles - i recommend it :-)
[22:19] <SP9UOB> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbGc4JSCHS4
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[22:27] <jcoxon_> any news from STORM?
[22:29] <Upu> negative
[22:29] <Upu> might wake up in the morning but will most likely be out of range
[22:45] <fsphil> hopefully someone in poland takes a peek :)
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[22:48] <SP9UOB> Im sure ;-)
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[22:55] <fsphil> had another quick look, nothing
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[22:56] <SP9UOB> fsphil: what are predictions? Southern Poland/slovakia ?
[22:57] <fsphil> the prediction I had showed it going over mid-germany, and into poland just north of czech rep.
[22:58] <fsphil> I think depending on the altitude it floats at, it might be further south
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[22:59] <fsphil> it should be over france by now
[22:59] <SP9UOB> fsphil: ok, im set the receiver in a while
[22:59] <fsphil> it's a pretty long shot SP9UOB, the signal might not come back
[23:00] <SP9UOB> well see :-)
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[23:06] <SP9UOB> 434.200?
[23:07] <fsphil> ideally
[23:07] <fsphil> but it was drifting like mad, I think it disappeared around 434.180 or something
[23:07] <SP9UOB> nothing yet, but im turn receiver on in the morning
[23:08] <fsphil> I'm hoping the radio and gps comes back to life when the sun warms it up
[23:08] <fsphil> there's enough batteries in it to last nearly a week
[23:08] <SP9UOB> fsphil: what gps?
[23:08] <fsphil> ublox
[23:08] <SP9UOB> type
[23:08] <SP9UOB> and transmitter?
[23:08] <fsphil> it's very unusual for them to fail due to temperature
[23:08] <fsphil> rfm22
[23:09] <SP9UOB> really strange
[23:09] <fsphil> the rfm22 I'm worried about, if it reset it will never come back on
[23:09] <SP9UOB> You should re-init it periodically
[23:10] <fsphil> that was the plan but I didn't get time
[23:10] <SP9UOB> in case of brown-out
[23:10] <fsphil> it was launched 6 hours late :)
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[23:11] <SP9UOB> anyway im burn one rfm22 just by let step-up converter drain battery
[23:11] <SP9UOB> it was flapping and after a while died
[23:11] <fsphil> I think I prefer the ntx2
[23:12] <SP9UOB> i can write/read register but rf signal doesnt came up
[23:12] <daveake> Yes, there's something reassuringly simple about the NTX2 ... If Power Then Signal
[23:12] <chrisg7ogx> is there a particular freq worth leaving on to monitor over night please?
[23:12] <daveake> (except for when I didn't screw in the SMA plug properly)
[23:13] <fsphil> the frequency drift means it's very unlikely leaving a radio on would catch it
[23:14] <fsphil> yes even the ntx2 can't help when the antenna falls off
[23:14] <fsphil> although someone still managed to track that one
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[23:17] <SP9UOB> fsphil:
[23:17] <SP9UOB> if (rtc>=rfm_uptime && !(control_flags&F_RTTY_ON)) {
[23:17] <SP9UOB>
[23:17] <SP9UOB> rfm22_init();
[23:17] <SP9UOB>
[23:17] <SP9UOB> rfm_uptime=rtc+900;
[23:17] <SP9UOB>
[23:17] <SP9UOB> }
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[23:18] <fsphil> I was going to have it reset every 10 strings
[23:18] <fsphil> exactly the same idea
[23:18] <fsphil> the problem might not have been with the rfm22 in this case
[23:18] <fsphil> the signal got very noisy before it disappeared
[23:19] <SP9UOB> im resetting every 15 minutes
[23:19] <fsphil> there could have been something wrong with the power
[23:19] <chrisg7ogx> ok good night and thanks very enjoyable
[23:19] <fsphil> night chrisg7ogx
[23:19] <fsphil> thanks for trying
[23:19] <SP9UOB> fsphil: You mean low voltage or noisy vcc ?
[23:19] <fsphil> the noise could have came from the vcc
[23:20] <fsphil> the gps lost lock first
[23:20] <fsphil> which itself is unusual
[23:21] <fsphil> it's a tricky one to test
[23:21] <fsphil> we need a really good freezer :)
[23:22] <SP9UOB> fsphil: strange is: ny gps also lost fix, and uXaben too
[23:22] <fsphil> aliens
[23:22] <SP9UOB> ny freezer cools down to -20C
[23:23] <fsphil> there's a chance the power supply on this was too efficient, and didn't generate enough heat to keep itself going
[23:23] <fsphil> which is a nice idea, means it could all come back on when it warms up
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[23:24] <SP9UOB> ok, im set thr receiver on at about 6 utc
[23:24] <SP9UOB> 6am
[23:25] <SP9UOB> ok, good night all
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[23:26] <Dark3D> Upu: still up?
[23:27] <jcoxon_> what crc16 do we use again?
[23:28] <daveake> You mean CCITT?
[23:29] <jcoxon_> yeah
[23:29] <daveake> that one :)
[23:29] <mattbrejza> http://www.nongnu.org/avr-libc/user-manual/group__util__crc.html#gaca726c22a1900f9bad52594c8846115f
[23:29] <jcoxon_> well there are different versions!
[23:30] <mattbrejza> bottom one on that page
[23:30] <daveake> Seed of 0xFFFF and polynomial of 0x1021
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[23:32] <daveake> Also http://ukhas.org.uk/communication:protocol
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[23:36] <bigcw> evening gents
[23:36] <griffonbot> Received email: Philip Heron "Re: [UKHAS] Belated launch announcement: STORM"
[23:36] <fsphil> howdy bigcw
[23:36] <bigcw> i just wondered what the current thinking on the EZCAP dongles was in terms of using them as a receiver
[23:36] <bigcw> I don't have an SSB-capable rig for 70cm
[23:37] <jcoxon_> bigcw, yeah if you've got one then go for it
[23:37] <jcoxon_> they aren't the best
[23:37] <jcoxon_> but are a great start
[23:37] <bigcw> I don't have one
[23:37] <fsphil> they're great for testing
[23:37] <bigcw> we tracked a balloon some time ago using a scanner borrowed from a mate
[23:37] <bigcw> in fact I think it was one of yours jcoxon ;)
[23:37] <fsphil> I believe they've been used to track flights too
[23:37] <jcoxon_> oh right!
[23:38] <jcoxon_> my ft790
[23:38] <bigcw> no I mean one of your balloons
[23:38] <jcoxon_> oh right
[23:38] <jcoxon_> my ft790 is in the wild somewhere :-)
[23:39] <daveake> mine is in bits
[23:39] <bigcw> just for a beginner it's an expensive bit of kit to buy
[23:39] <bigcw> I only have FM kit for 70cm
[23:39] <fsphil> hunting defenceless CB radios?
[23:39] <jcoxon_> bigcw, if budget is tight go for an ezcap
[23:40] <fsphil> there's also an amp+filter for 434mhz, although I believe they're out of stock at the moment
[23:40] <bigcw> is it a reasonable proposition to track your own balloon with one?
[23:40] <jcoxon_> yes
[23:40] <jcoxon_> you can compensate by perhaps getting your antenna a bit higher
[23:40] <bigcw> fsphil - yes, I've seen those, was going to ask about them next ;)
[23:40] <bigcw> I've got a big Diamond outside
[23:40] <fsphil> they'd be useful in a chase car, as you're likely never more than 50km from your payload
[23:41] <bigcw> X-200N
[23:41] <bigcw> it's base is about 4m above the ridge of the roof
[23:42] <fsphil> nice
[23:42] <fsphil> I've got the little brother of that, and have tracked flights 580km away
[23:42] <fsphil> with an ft-817 to be fair
[23:42] <fsphil> but also a funcube dongle
[23:42] <bigcw> ahh yes, I suspect the yaesu will have far better performance!
[23:42] <fsphil> yea
[23:43] <fsphil> both the funcube dongle and the rtlsdr have trouble with the diamond
[23:43] <fsphil> broadcast fm signals and tetra are very strong in this area
[23:43] <fsphil> and tend to over power them
[23:43] <fsphil> I have to have filtering or they don't hear much
[23:43] <bigcw> do you have the habamp unit?
[23:43] <fsphil> yea
[23:44] <bigcw> is it still a problem when using that?
[23:44] <fsphil> I've not used it with the rtlsdr, but it makes a huge difference with the fcd
[23:45] <fsphil> without it the fcd just can't hear the signals
[23:46] <fsphil> but I am very far from most launches, so they tend to be borderline decodable anyway
[23:46] <fsphil> it doesn't take much to push them into the noise
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[23:47] <bigcw> interesting, thanks phil
[23:47] <bigcw> short of buying a 'proper' SSB rig for 70cm they seem like a reasonable option
[23:48] <fsphil> yea, at that price you can't really go wrong
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[23:48] <fsphil> if all else fails you can receive TV with them
[23:48] <bigcw> the SDR# software looks quite interesting too
[23:49] <bigcw> at least I can have an experiment with SSB on 2m and 70cm, although my aerial is vertical so probably not the best
[23:49] <fsphil> mine too but then I don't do any voice through it
[23:50] <fsphil> I think the last contest about half the ssb stations where vertical
[23:50] <bigcw> I only do FM at the moment so it's not been a problem
[23:50] <bigcw> I should really make some 'proper' use of the license one of these days
[23:51] <griffonbot> Received email: CHRIS INWOOD "[UKHAS] Re: Belated launch announcement: STORM"
[23:51] <fsphil> haha
[23:51] <fsphil> yea I think I've had a single chat since I got it
[23:51] <fsphil> I do like to dabble with digimodes sometimes
[23:52] <bigcw> yeah digi is where my interest lies mainly
[23:52] <bigcw> i've been doing a lot of fiddling with APRS
[23:53] <fsphil> do you get much traffic on 144.800 there?
[23:53] <bigcw> not as much as I would like
[23:54] <bigcw> but enough to make it interesting
[23:56] <jcoxon_> bigcw, where you based?
[23:56] <bigcw> just outside Aylesbury in Buckinghamshire
[23:56] <jcoxon_> oh cool
[23:56] <bigcw> cool?
[23:56] <jcoxon_> my next launch will actually have an FM tx
[23:56] <bigcw> excellent :)
[23:56] <jcoxon_> though range will be reduced
[23:56] <bigcw> which band?
[23:57] <jcoxon_> 70cm
[23:57] <bigcw> ok, I guess the tracking will be somewhere else then?
[23:57] <bigcw> ie another band
[23:59] <jcoxon_> well they'll be ssb 70cm as well
[23:59] <jcoxon_> basically we are going to try a low power repeater
[23:59] <bigcw> won't you have a load of problem with filtering with all that going on so close together?
[23:59] <bigcw> *problems
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