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[01:12] <Lunar_Lander> so the final day of the year is here
[01:12] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[01:43] <fsphil> yea and you don't see the Mayans go on about it
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[07:45] <costyn> morning
[07:46] <astrodog> Hey
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[07:57] <Upu> morning all
[08:04] <x-f> morning
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[08:37] <DrLuke> morning
[08:37] <DrLuke> this years freeday on sparkfun kinda sucks
[08:37] <DrLuke> because who orders there without it being friday?
[08:37] <DrLuke> freeday*
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[08:47] <griffonbot> Received email: chris hillcox "[UKHAS] Where do you get your balloons?"
[09:08] <Hiena> Hindsight for the nex year: Baby food jar is not a retort. Unlabeled retort with white chrystal could be anything. Ammonia stinks.
[09:10] <zyp> good think you're making sense
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[09:21] <costyn> zyp: haha indeed
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[09:47] <kokey> I wonder where I could buy a kettle chord
[09:48] <kokey> cord
[09:48] <kokey> that will teach me for judging the early morning hours typos on here in my scrollback
[10:06] <Hiena> It's a shame. This is the only three days in this country, when the ordinary peoples could legally play with pyrotechnics and rocketry and i totally messed it. The charge wet. The workshop stinks ammonia. The payload unfinished. And my spine is juct acting up again. I'll just head back to the kitchen making some cookie...
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[10:24] <WillDuckworth> hey cuddykid - where were you getting your gas from?
[10:24] <cuddykid> hiya WillDuckworth
[10:24] <cuddykid> one sec - I'll get the website, can't remember it's name
[10:25] <cuddykid> http://balloonhelium.co.uk/main/pricing
[10:25] <cuddykid> ^Bonza balloons
[10:25] <cuddykid> but the price is going up all the time - I've decided I'm going to switch to H2. Need to get a reg sometime soon
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[10:30] <WillDuckworth> yeah -was thinking that too
[10:30] <WillDuckworth> was there a BOC place you got it from before in Worcs?
[10:31] <cuddykid> the only BOC locations I've been to is the one in worcs (wainwright rd) and the one in redditch
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[10:31] <cuddykid> if I leave it to last minute, I often have to pick up from redditch
[10:32] <cuddykid> the website above use BOC - so I used to place an order with them then collect from BOC depot
[10:33] <WillDuckworth> cool. How's HAB Lab doing?
[10:35] <cuddykid> okish :P - got a couple of primary schools building experiments but ideally I need a few more
[10:35] <cuddykid> problem is getting the message out - the primary schools that have got in touch really like the idea
[10:36] <cuddykid> I'm aiming to do a launch or 2 in feb sometime: the lab and/or separate payload to test cutdown and other bits
[10:37] <WillDuckworth> i know a few teachers who could be interested. i'll see what i can do
[10:37] <cuddykid> cheers :)
[10:37] <cuddykid> WillDuckworth: have you got any launches planned?
[10:37] <WillDuckworth> do you remember at the 2012 conf that rjharrison did a presentation on the outreach thing?
[10:38] <WillDuckworth> might be worth getting some info from him
[10:38] <cuddykid> yep
[10:38] <cuddykid> was thinking that actually
[10:38] <cuddykid> he's never on irc anymore, but I might drop him an email
[10:39] <WillDuckworth> i'm working on revamping my simple payload with some of the techniques Upu is using - plus different transmitters and antennas
[10:40] <cuddykid> excellent
[10:41] <cuddykid> got my next PCB on its way over from china atm
[10:41] <WillDuckworth> what's the design? all-in-one?
[10:41] <cuddykid> yep, it's about 3x3.5cm
[10:41] <cuddykid> rfm, max6
[10:42] <WillDuckworth> cool - do you have all the components?
[10:42] <cuddykid> http://i.imgur.com/IORmM.png
[10:42] <cuddykid> It's being delivered to Upu as I will never be able to solder it up
[10:43] <Upu> they were shipped on the 24th cuddykid
[10:43] <WillDuckworth> he i s good :)
[10:43] <Upu> I try
[10:43] <cuddykid> :D
[10:44] <cuddykid> bbl
[10:44] <Upu> just had the PAVA running at 1Mhz from the internal oscillator on the AVR
[10:45] <WillDuckworth> nice work Upu
[10:46] <WillDuckworth> that'll last for quite some time
[10:47] <Upu> 45 hours + from a single AA
[10:47] <Upu> 1.8v 4Mhz with GPS power saving, 11db continuous TX
[10:47] <costyn> impressive
[10:48] <WillDuckworth> still original PCB design?
[10:48] <Upu> yep hardware wise getting it running on 1.8V
[10:48] <Upu> and been working on the software to get further savings
[10:48] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/2012-12-27-14.25.18.jpg
[10:49] <WillDuckworth> just struggling here on the soldering
[10:49] <WillDuckworth> soooo small]
[10:49] <Upu> 27 hours to 45 hours was software :)
[10:49] <Upu> 0-27 the hardware
[10:49] <Upu> :)
[10:50] <WillDuckworth> hows the background rtty working for you?
[10:50] <Upu> perfectly
[10:50] <Upu> timing is spot on
[10:50] <mclane> hi upu, are you planning to sell this in your store? - I would be interested
[10:50] <Upu> no sorry mclane
[10:51] <Upu> its my little side project
[10:51] <Upu> quite happy to help you make your own though
[10:51] <mclane> then I have to learn how to solder smds :-((
[10:52] <Upu> I find it easier than through hole
[10:53] <mclane> any special tricks? ae you using a classical soldering iron or some kind of oven?
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[10:54] <Upu> I use an iron
[10:55] <Upu> I watched this
[10:55] <Upu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NN7UGWYmBY
[10:55] <Upu> and gave it a go
[10:55] <Upu> never looked back
[10:55] <Upu> and practice of course
[10:56] <Upu> I'll send you some old fault PCB's if you want to have a practice
[10:56] <Upu> you just need a steady hand and a good iron
[10:56] <Upu> flux and thin solder
[10:56] <Upu> 0.3mm
[11:00] <fsphil> I practiced on an old PCB too
[11:00] <Upu> I have alot of faulty PCB's :)
[11:01] <WillDuckworth> chortle
[11:01] <Upu> there is a reason that PCB is revision 7
[11:01] <Upu> and sub revision B
[11:02] <zyp> thin solder is overrated
[11:02] <zyp> I prefer solder that is thick enough to have a decent flux core
[11:03] <zyp> saves me from having to add extra flux
[11:03] <Upu> personal preference I guess
[11:03] <Upu> I like my flux gel and 0.3mm solder
[11:05] <Darkside> i use silver loaded thin solder
[11:05] <Darkside> which also has plenty of flux
[11:05] <mclane> thanks upu, I will consider it
[11:07] <Upu> one day when I get some time I'll do a tutorial on Eagle
[11:08] <zyp> I think the solder I commonly use is 0.5mm or so
[11:09] <zyp> maybe thicker, I haven't really measured it
[11:09] <Upu> That puts too much on for me
[11:09] <number10> leaded?
[11:09] <zyp> yes
[11:09] <zyp> I don't see any point in going leadless for the one-offs I make
[11:09] <number10> I tried some of that unleaded was horrible
[11:09] <daveake> Yes I much prefer good olde leaded too
[11:09] <zyp> unleaded doesn't really make much difference if you remember to set your iron to the right temperature
[11:10] <zyp> it has a higher melting point so if you don't compensate for that you'll have a bad time :)
[11:11] <zyp> I think my rule of thumb is 360°C for leaded and 410°C for leadless
[11:12] <number10> useful info zyp - I'll take a note for when I get an iron at home I can set the temperature on
[11:13] <Upu> I'm about the same 330'C for leaded 380'C for unleaded
[11:13] <Upu> I get nervous using over 400 :)
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[11:14] <Upu> thought to be honest some of these components are very robust
[11:14] <zyp> well, higher temperature means less strain on the components, since you get the job done faster
[11:14] <zyp> so you heat the component less overall
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[11:20] <nosebleedkt> Hello everybody
[11:20] <fsphil> hiya there individual
[11:20] <lz1dev> hello mr person guy
[11:21] <zyp> Upu, after all, you want to heat up the joint fast without heat seeping into the component itself
[11:21] <griffonbot> Received email: SP9UOB "[UKHAS] Re: Launch anouncment 22/12/2012 10:00 UTC"
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[11:33] <griffonbot> Received email: Will Duckworth "Re: [UKHAS] Anyone fancy speaking at Cheltenham Geek Nights?"
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[11:57] <griffonbot> Received email: chris hillcox "[UKHAS] Re: Anyone fancy speaking at Cheltenham Geek Nights?"
[11:58] <griffonbot> Received email: chris hillcox "[UKHAS] Re: Where do you get your balloons?"
[12:02] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Anyone fancy speaking at Cheltenham Geek Nights?"
[12:05] <WillDuckworth> agreed Upu
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[12:12] <SpeedEvil> oooh!
[12:12] <SpeedEvil> http://dx.com/p/eb-5365re-sirf-iv-gps-module-board-silver-white-green-177059
[12:12] <SpeedEvil> cheeeeep
[12:13] <Upu> yep
[12:13] <Upu> 18km
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[12:13] <Upu> looks like the ublox pin outs for the NEO6
[12:14] <Upu> Maximum Altitude < 18,000 meter
[12:15] <SpeedEvil> good for pico
[12:15] <Upu> 100g balloon could exceed 18km
[12:16] <Upu> I'd stick with the MAX6
[12:16] <Upu> power usage isn't terrible, not quite as low as the MAX6
[12:16] <Upu> seen alot worse
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[12:59] <costyn> x-f: you were using the raspi with rtl-tcp right?
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[13:07] <griffonbot> Received email: chris hillcox "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Anyone fancy speaking at Cheltenham Geek Nights?"
[13:10] <mfa298> costyn: I think a few people have tried it out.
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[13:11] <nosebleedkt> Lithium Ion OR Lipoly are more efficient for HABS ?
[13:11] <Darkside> not really
[13:11] <Darkside> unless you are sucking a decent amount of current, they freeze and die
[13:12] <nosebleedkt> my question was which is better
[13:12] <nosebleedkt> :P
[13:12] <costyn> mfa298: yea Maxell got our setup working nicely
[13:13] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Anyone fancy speaking at Cheltenham Geek Nights?"
[13:13] <griffonbot> Received email: Adam Greig "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Anyone fancy speaking at Cheltenham Geek Nights?"
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[13:14] <mfa298> I tried it initially but I've given up with it for now as there's not much benefit for me at the moment
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[13:33] <craag> mfa298: What were you using as the client for it?
[13:34] <costyn> craag: we use rtl_tcp: https://revspace.nl/HAB_Tracker_Station
[13:34] <craag> I had a play with rtl_tcp using sdr# as the client, but rtl_tcp kept crashing or segfaulting.
[13:35] <craag> costyn: Ok, so you are using gqrx
[13:35] <costyn> oh sorry, the client
[13:35] <costyn> craag: ah yes
[13:36] <craag> Hmm, maybe it's something in sdr# then. I'll have to try out gqrx sometime, thanks!
[13:36] <fsphil> I've used rtl_sdr with gqrx, it seemed to work but it was tight for bandwidth through my router
[13:36] <fsphil> would get choppy after a few seconds
[13:37] <costyn> fsphil: it was sort of working over our wlan, but works nicely on ethernet
[13:38] <fsphil> yea I need to get it etherneted up -- at the moment my raspberry pi is on the internet side of my router
[13:38] <costyn> ah
[13:38] <fsphil> an old wrt54gl, which seems to be a bit of a bottleneck in my setup
[13:38] <fsphil> not sure what to replace it with
[13:39] <costyn> in theory it should work, but indeed the router may be introducing too much latency
[13:39] <costyn> fsphil: anything modern really, do you only use it as a router? you could try replacing the firmware with openwrt
[13:40] <fsphil> it's running openwrt
[13:40] <costyn> ah
[13:40] <fsphil> so a replacement would need to support that
[13:40] <costyn> you use features only found in openwrt?
[13:41] <fsphil> not sure. it's setup as a nat gateway for machines on the lan, it's also my ipv6 gateway
[13:41] <fsphil> I've got bandwidth caps for certain machines too
[13:42] <fsphil> the flash has ran out of space recently, so it's definitely going to be replaced
[13:42] <costyn> hmm ok
[13:42] <fsphil> I'd like to put some kind of vpn server on there too
[13:42] <mfa298> craag: I used sdr# as well, I think trl_tcp didn't like it if you just exited sdr# without stopping the rtl_tcp stream first
[13:42] <costyn> fsphil: I'm not sure what modern routers are supported by openwrt
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[13:43] <craag> mfa298: Yep had that one! The other issues I suspect were due to our networking here, the ISPs router seems to do some messing with packets, even on the LAN.
[13:43] <costyn> fsphil: in general netgear makes some of the better consumer networking devices
[13:43] <fsphil> yea I'm not a fan of recent cisco gear
[13:44] <craag> I've had very good experiences with TP-Link stuff recently. And they're nearly all supported by openwrt.
[13:44] <craag> Plus they're cheap!
[13:44] <costyn> fsphil: well the consumer cisco gear is linksys, not bad but not great either
[13:44] <costyn> craag: good to know
[13:45] <mfa298> fsphil: by cisco gear do you mean linksys or real cisco.
[13:45] <fsphil> I got a linksys recently, and it didn't support non-NAT routing
[13:45] <fsphil> linksys
[13:45] <fsphil> but I'm not a fan of cisco-proper either
[13:46] <fsphil> though probably just because I'm not familiar with their very odd configuration system
[13:46] <mfa298> biggest issues I've had with cisco proper is the cost and the support (need to pay to get new firmware officially)
[13:46] <costyn> i have a Cisco 871 at home, does just fine
[13:46] <fsphil> back when we had ISDN, we had a cisco box doing the line bonding
[13:46] <costyn> mfa298: yea v15 licensing model isn't very hobbyist friendly
[13:46] <fsphil> once it was setup it was solid, but getting it going was a pita
[13:47] <mfa298> I think mines a 837 and I found a ftp site that had the latest ios image I could put on it.
[13:47] <fsphil> we still have that, must dig it out
[13:47] <mfa298> not set it up for ipv6 though. That's on a solaris box at the moment
[13:47] <fsphil> we even got the adsl modules for it after we got rid of the isdn
[13:47] <fsphil> how are cisco for ipv6?
[13:48] <costyn> fsphil: good, provided you have firmware which support it
[13:48] <mfa298> in theory should be good - they've been doing ipv6 for a long time and have been one of the leaders in the field
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[13:49] <costyn> been rolling out ipv6 in our datacenter network on our cisco devices, but those are 1800/1900/2900's
[13:49] <costyn> my 871 does ipv6 out of the box too
[13:49] <fsphil> nice
[13:50] <costyn> support for 6to4 tunnels too, which is how I have ipv6 enabled at home
[13:50] <fsphil> I have it at home, but not in the office yet
[13:50] <fsphil> my isp does native ipv6, although I couldn't get it working
[13:50] <fsphil> I'm using their tunnel
[13:50] <fsphil> so it's basically the same speed
[13:53] <costyn> fsphil: so what kind of budget would you have for your router replacement?
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[14:05] Action: costyn is off... have a good one tonight, everyone
[14:05] <costyn> cya next year! :)
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[14:21] <fsphil> sorry got distracted there costyn :)
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[14:40] <number10> interesting boomerang pico for friday http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/19138_trj001.gif
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[14:43] <Upu> run that over 72 hours number10
[14:43] <Upu> does it go in a circle ?
[14:43] <Upu> thats what I want to launch
[14:44] <cuddykid> hah, that's cool number10
[14:46] <Upu> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/14160_trj001.gif
[14:46] <Upu> looking more like it
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[14:48] <cuddykid> race the plane to sardinia
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[15:03] <Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/FV7Fd.jpg
[15:03] <Laurenceb_> meanwhile in japan
[15:07] <Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/LBDM5.jpg
[15:09] <lz1dev> japan do entertaiment
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[15:22] <wibble_> My arduino kit finally arrived :D
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[15:32] <fsphil> woo!
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[15:40] <number10> got booted - the 120 hours from here still shows loop http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/19136_trj001.gif
[15:40] <number10> Upu: ^
[15:41] <fsphil> that's a pretty sharp turn
[15:41] <Upu> yup :)
[15:42] <number10> must be a cyclone or tornado or summint
[15:42] <number10> :D
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[15:43] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[15:43] <Lunar_Lander> the final day of the year
[15:43] <Lunar_Lander> what are you doing today?
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[15:44] <Lunar_Lander> hello Dan-K2VOL
[15:45] <Dan-K2VOL> hi Kevin
[15:46] <Lunar_Lander> how are you today on the final day of the year?
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[15:47] <Dan-K2VOL> I am good, you?
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[15:57] <Lunar_Lander> Dan-K2VOL1, I am good too
[15:57] <Lunar_Lander> what are you up to?
[15:58] <Dan-K2VOL1> just had breakfast, a frozen pizza, and am going to settle down and bang my head on some C++ arduino code
[15:58] <Dan-K2VOL1> you?
[15:59] <fsphil> pizza for breakfast. I like your style
[15:59] <Dan-K2VOL1> heh, afternoon fsphil
[16:00] Action: fsphil is youtubing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGxTnwvIDPU
[16:00] <fsphil> like the little character these guys launched
[16:00] <Dan-K2VOL1> cute
[16:01] <fsphil> he did a felix though
[16:01] <Dan-K2VOL1> I expected his head to swell
[16:02] <fsphil> it did seem to be missing when they got him back, http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Mini-spaceman-Fieldhead-Hotel-Markfield-falling/story-16897147-detail/story.html
[16:02] <Dan-K2VOL1> heh
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[16:09] <Lunar_Lander> Dan-K2VOL1, ah I had like cookies from a scottish company called "Walkers"
[16:10] <Dan-K2VOL1> nice
[16:10] <Lunar_Lander> and I am listening to a song called "Lies" from Asleep in the Park which is an Australian Band that I found on Jamendo
[16:10] <Lunar_Lander> which is quite cool, Creative Commons music which is thus free
[16:10] <fsphil> Lunar_Lander: it's called Shortbread in scotland
[16:10] <Dan-K2VOL1> here too
[16:10] <Lunar_Lander> ah it isn't the shortbread
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[16:11] <Lunar_Lander> its like round cookies with orange
[16:11] <fsphil> interesting
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[16:12] <fsphil> I like the regular shortbread biscuits, with a bit of sugar
[16:12] <Dan-K2VOL1> donorschoose.org is an interesting site
[16:12] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[16:12] <Lunar_Lander> like kickstarter?
[16:12] <Dan-K2VOL1> though US only so far, yes
[16:12] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[16:12] <Dan-K2VOL1> for school projects
[16:12] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil, the box says "Orange Viennese Biscuits"
[16:13] <Hiena> How much of the nitric content?
[16:13] <fsphil> I've only ever seen their shortbread Lunar_Lander, interesting.
[16:13] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[16:13] <Lunar_Lander> but it is expensive
[16:13] <Lunar_Lander> 3 euros for a box with 9 cookies
[16:14] <fsphil> yea there was a british sweet shop in sydney, everything was about three times the price :)
[16:14] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[16:15] <Lunar_Lander> how much is one box of shortbread in the UK?
[16:16] <fsphil> £2-ish
[16:16] <fsphil> maybe a bit less
[16:17] <griffonbot> Received email: anerDev "[UKHAS] Re: Launch anouncment 22/12/2012 10:00 UTC"
[16:17] <griffonbot> Received email: Trevor Cousins "[UKHAS] Re: Where do you get your balloons?"
[16:17] <mattbrejza> yay a launch
[16:20] <fsphil> I'm suppose to be doing one tomorrow, but I'm really not ready
[16:22] <mattbrejza> prboably should have read that before jumping to conclusions
[16:22] <fsphil> yes
[16:22] <fsphil> I didn't spot the date either
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[16:24] <bbjunkie> fsphil - less Shortbread more coding - that balloon wont launch itself ;)
[16:24] <fsphil> it might...
[16:25] <Lunar_Lander> thanks fsphil
[16:25] <wibble_> is anyone in the midlands area who could transmit on 433
[16:27] <fsphil> they'd need to be pretty close for 70cm
[16:27] <fsphil> or high up
[16:28] <wibble_> hmm ok just trying to get this ezcap to work :(
[16:31] <fsphil> my usual test signals for that are commercial FM stations
[16:32] <wibble_> that appears to *just* about work
[16:32] <wibble_> I would have expected a clearer signal
[16:33] <fsphil> hmm,, depends on your area and antenna but they should come through pretty strong
[16:34] <fsphil> I'm able to get Radio 1 in our office with the ezcap, and the regular radio can't
[16:35] <bbjunkie> or you could try around 459mhz lots of business radios there now.. probably quite quiet this time on new years eve though
[16:35] <bbjunkie> perhaps get a few pubs
[16:36] <fsphil> there's a pub here on 446.150
[16:36] <fsphil> which is an odd frequency
[16:36] <Darkside> heh
[16:36] <Darkside> thats in region 3's 70cm band
[16:36] <fsphil> for now :)
[16:36] <Darkside> we have 430-450
[16:37] <bbjunkie> yeah Darkside - we dont.. 446.0 - 446.1 is like your license free band
[16:37] <number10> also try beacon maybe GB3LEU
[16:37] <bbjunkie> we got 430-440 :(
[16:37] <fsphil> I saw some license-exempt radios for sale in Dicks, but they didn't specify a frequency on the box
[16:37] <Darkside> 477MHz
[16:37] <fsphil> ah
[16:37] <mfa298> There's PMR446 which is license free
[16:38] <Darkside> 476.4-477.6
[16:38] <Darkside> i think
[16:38] <mfa298> there's also some sort of LPD devices.
[16:38] <fsphil> I think they called them CBs on the box
[16:38] <Darkside> yup
[16:38] <Darkside> UHF CB
[16:38] <Darkside> aus only
[16:38] <fsphil> 100s of channels, which are probably only 5khz apart or something
[16:38] <number10> go outside with your carkey and pres the button :)
[16:38] <bbjunkie> FRS is it? I cant recall
[16:38] <Darkside> we don't have any of the other radio stuff here
[16:39] <Darkside> only our UHF CB band
[16:39] <Darkside> well, we have 27MHz CB too
[16:39] <Darkside> but that isnt used as much
[16:39] <fsphil> that's as dead there as it is here
[16:39] <mfa298> I think there are slightly different sets of frequencies in different parts of the world
[16:39] <Darkside> UHF CB is pretty active tho
[16:40] <Darkside> mm
[16:40] <bbjunkie> fsphil - its picking up here.. most nights someone on 27.515usb and a few on FM on ch5 or something on the CEPT band
[16:40] <Lunar_Lander> hi Darkside
[16:40] <Darkside> this one is a bit higher than most i think
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[16:40] <Lunar_Lander> cutdown works now with 3x Energizer AA, but I'll try it once more with just 2
[16:40] <Darkside> k
[16:40] <bbjunkie> and never stops during silage/hay seasons
[16:40] <Lunar_Lander> thanks again
[16:40] <fsphil> the last time I heard someone on the CB here, they where farmers
[16:40] <Lunar_Lander> XD farmers
[16:40] <mfa298> I found this for UK PMR446 http://www.ofcom.org.uk/static/archive/ra/publication/ra_info/ra357.htm
[16:41] <fsphil> shame 446 isn't allowed in the air
[16:43] <wibble_> is the funcube better than the ezcap?
[16:43] <Dan-K2VOL1> depends
[16:43] <Dan-K2VOL1> wibble_ do you have a pc or mac
[16:43] <wibble_> both
[16:44] <Darkside> FCD+ is more expensive, but has better filtering
[16:44] <Dan-K2VOL1> well the software for FCD is about the same on mac vs pc
[16:44] <Darkside> Dan-K2VOL1: GQRX runs fine on max
[16:44] <Darkside> mac*
[16:44] <Dan-K2VOL1> it's much harder to use the ezcap with the poor software on the mac
[16:45] <wibble_> i'm trying to find a cost effective transciever but ebay is not being kind to me at the moment
[16:45] <Darkside> theres app bundles available fo rit
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[16:45] <Dan-K2VOL1> and it's extremely buggy, and I can't get it to do a manual width filter to actually allow me to decode rtty
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[16:46] <Darkside> er
[16:46] <Dan-K2VOL1> the lsb filter is too narrow as far as I can tell, and it wont' let me widen it by dragging the edges
[16:46] <Darkside> should be 3KHz i'd hope
[16:47] <Darkside> i've decoded HAB rtty with it on my mac before
[16:49] <Dan-K2VOL1> can't really tell, it doesn't tell you the width of the filter
[16:50] <Dan-K2VOL1> as I said, it's just much harder to use, and from what I can tell it's basically at a dead end for development :-/
[16:50] <Darkside> mm
[16:50] <Darkside> bit sad really
[16:51] <Dan-K2VOL1> yeah, it's irritating to have such crappy support for SDRs on the mac
[16:53] <Darkside> for the sound card SDRs i usually use spectravue running in wine
[16:54] <fsphil> I hated doing that, jumped to gqrx as soon as I was able to
[16:57] <griffonbot> Received email: chris hillcox "[UKHAS] Re: Where do you get your balloons?"
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[18:12] <griffonbot> Received email: Tom Howlett "Re: [UKHAS] Anyone fancy speaking at Cheltenham Geek Nights?"
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[18:51] <hyte> Hi, I'm trying to send a serial string to a ublox 6 gps witha coridium basic chip. I can't seem to send hex and the string doesn't seem to work either. Has anyone used this or similar?
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[18:53] <Lunar_Lander> hyte, I think no one so far used that chip :(
[18:54] <hyte> shames, it picks up serial no problem it just don't send too good
[18:54] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:54] <hyte> language is low level enough
[18:54] <Lunar_Lander> I actually never heard of that company before
[18:54] <hyte> *not
[18:55] <hyte> its actually an arm chip
[18:55] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[18:55] <hyte> http://www.coridiumcorp.com/prod-specs1.html
[18:55] <Lunar_Lander> ah
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[19:52] <Gadget-Mac> Anyone here responsible for : BallastHalo 6 ?
[19:59] <mattbrejza> its jcoxon 's
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[20:11] <chrisg7ogx> are the balloons on the map just testing/ Are there any frequencies to help with?
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[20:14] <daveake> no live flights
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[20:16] <Gadget-Mac> mattbrejza: Thanks
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[20:18] <fsphil> been a while since there was a ballasthalo flight
[20:18] <daveake> fsphil Your flight going ahead tomorrow?
[20:19] <fsphil> looking less likely
[20:19] <daveake> weather? not ready?
[20:19] <fsphil> weather, forecasting rain
[20:20] <daveake> You reckon there might be a pause in the rain for long enough to launch?
[20:20] <Upu> fsphil
[20:21] <Upu> I find your "rain" excuse poor : http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=110803445689798
[20:21] <fsphil> I mean it's not wet enough :)
[20:21] <Upu> just make sure the payload is ok bouncing on the ground and you should be fine
[20:21] <fsphil> there's a fair chance
[20:22] <daveake> :)
[20:22] <fsphil> seems odd not launching something without images though
[20:22] <fsphil> -not
[20:22] <fsphil> assuming burst at 42km: http://habhub.org//predict/#!/uuid=c1fe88d1f0f65bb2943bbe57f459dbacf35b563b
[20:22] <chrisg7ogx> sorry to keep asking. I am on the mailing list. just in case.. Watched the james may prog last night very infectious enthusiasm
[20:22] <fsphil> wasn't it just chrisg7ogx
[20:23] <fsphil> it's the sort of program that'd make you want to fly something
[20:23] <chrisg7ogx> exactly
[20:23] <fsphil> anyways my flight tomorrow also largely depends on the state of my helpers :)
[20:23] <fsphil> 10am is a big ask on the 1st of jan :)
[20:24] <chrisg7ogx> all of my family were transfixed and not normally interested
[20:24] <fsphil> bbl
[20:24] <Upu> keep an eye on the list chrisg7ogx I'm sure launches will pick up as the weather sorts itself out
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[20:24] <Upu> its just crap at the moment
[20:25] <Upu> have a go at making one yourself
[20:25] <Upu> that passes the hours :)
[20:25] <daveake> or years
[20:25] <Upu> indeed :)
[20:25] <daveake> Speaking of which, Lunar should be launching this year
[20:25] <daveake> I'm sure I'll get one or two in too :)
[20:25] <Upu> lol
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[20:28] <chrisg7ogx> I can see a series of flights around the coast
[20:28] <chrisg7ogx> playing with simon browns sdr v 2.0
[20:29] <chrisg7ogx> not practically enough minded i don't think
[20:30] <chrisg7ogx> sat cw sigs on 437.191
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[20:44] <jdtanner> evening all
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[20:45] <Majed> hi all
[20:45] <Majed> Costyn: hi
[20:45] <Majed> daveake: hi
[20:46] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[20:46] <Lunar_Lander> how are you all?
[20:46] <Majed> Lunar: hi
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[20:50] <Lunar_Lander> daveake, "this year" means 2012 or 2013?
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> because I doubt I can pull off something in 2 hours
[20:51] <daveake> lol
[20:51] <daveake> Good point
[20:51] <daveake> For a moment I was in Oz
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> :P
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[20:56] <Majed> Daveake: any tutorial on knotting the balloon neck
[20:56] <Majed> will be launching tomorrow
[20:56] <daveake> There's one in the wiki
[20:57] <daveake> Where you launching from?
[20:57] <Majed> saudi
[20:57] <daveake> Cool. Well warm probably. Whereabouts in Saudi? (I've been there a few times)
[20:57] <Majed> the ones in wiki does not demonstarte knotting the neck
[20:58] <Majed> Riyadh
[20:58] <Majed> how would you do it?
[20:58] <daveake> I do it the same as in the wiki :p
[20:58] <daveake> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:sealing_the_balloon?s[]=neck&s[]=tie
[20:59] <daveake> I've been to Riyadh twice
[20:59] <Majed> oh really
[20:59] <Majed> leisure! of course not lol
[20:59] <daveake> Also Jeddah and Dammam
[20:59] <daveake> Er, no :)
[21:00] <Majed> cool
[21:00] <Majed> did you like it
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[21:00] <Lunar_Lander> Majed, that is cool, I think yours will be the first ever HAB flight in Saudi-Arabia
[21:00] <daveake> Well...not especially. I just got to see the airport, hotel and factory
[21:01] <Majed> it will be the first. lets hope i recover the god damn payload
[21:01] <daveake> On the plus side, it's going to land on sand :)
[21:01] <Majed> daveake: what facotry>?
[21:02] <daveake> Elopak Obeikan
[21:02] <Majed> oh no... Elopack is one of my clients lol what a coincident
[21:02] <daveake> lol
[21:03] <Majed> anyways
[21:03] <Majed> the wiki says do so many turns around the neck then do one knot then more turns and then a knot
[21:03] <Majed> but i am afraid something goes wrong
[21:04] <Majed> hoping to do a more secure tie
[21:04] <daveake> Well so long as it's sealed and the string is firmly tied on you should be fine
[21:05] <Majed> how do you firmly tie the string? that is my concern
[21:05] <daveake> What I do is get a cable tie on first, near the top of the neck. Then if there's space put another one below, then tie on the string
[21:05] <daveake> I just use lots of knots, and tape over it
[21:05] <daveake> Tape stops my dodgy knots from coming undone
[21:05] <Majed> what kind of knot
[21:06] <daveake> Anything you like
[21:06] <daveake> half hitch I think I use
[21:06] <daveake> But lots of them
[21:06] <daveake> then tape it
[21:06] <daveake> I tape up every knot in the whole payload train
[21:08] <Majed> just so a demo on the half hitch knot. isnt it easy to break loose
[21:08] <daveake> Not if it's taped up :)
[21:09] <daveake> If you know a better knot, use it
[21:09] <daveake> There are lots of better ones
[21:09] <Majed> i'll take your word daveake
[21:09] <daveake> thanks :p
[21:09] <Majed> my helium supplier replaced my empty cylibder for free
[21:10] <Majed> the new one has 2000 psi in it. i tested it in the wearhouse before loading it
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[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> Majed, what will you fly on your payload?
[21:15] <natrium42> wat http://balloonnews.wordpress.com/2012/11/28/modified-spot-tracker-that-runs-for-months/
[21:17] <Majed> 2 gopro cameras, and a spot gps
[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[21:20] <Majed> Lunar: are you experienced HABer
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[21:29] <Lunar_Lander> no
[21:29] <Lunar_Lander> not really
[21:30] <Dan-K2VOL1> lol natrium42 that's a rather crude way to do it
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[21:30] <fsphil> hahahahaa
[21:31] <Lunar_Lander> ah is that the blog where the mexican team sells a 200 dollar cutdown?
[21:33] <fsphil> I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised
[21:33] <fsphil> or a cut-down that is a mechanical arm and hand that unties the knot
[21:33] <daveake> Don't give me ideas :p
[21:34] <fsphil> could call it "the terminator"
[21:34] <daveake> No, that would be silly
[21:34] <daveake> A mechanical arm and hand that control some scissors. Now that's much more sensible :p
[21:35] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[21:36] <fsphil> imagine that landing in your garden
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:38] <daveake> Well the grass needs cutting
[21:38] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[21:42] <Lunar_Lander> SCIENCE GAVE ROCK N ROLL TO YOU!
[21:45] <Dan-K2VOL1> anyone ever use any of the makerbeam/openbeam stuff?
[21:45] <fsphil> yea but who give us science
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[22:06] <Lunar_Lander> the world
[22:06] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[22:06] <Lunar_Lander> well
[22:06] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil, https://balloonnews.wordpress.com/projects-under-development/
[22:06] <Lunar_Lander> there is that 155 dollar cutdown
[22:12] <fsphil> good answer :)
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> what do you think about the mexican cutdown?
[22:14] <fsphil> I don't really
[22:15] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:15] <Lunar_Lander> it looks strange
[22:15] <Lunar_Lander> and 155 USD
[22:16] <Lunar_Lander> wtf
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[22:18] <fsphil> is there such a thing as mexican dollars? that might be ¬5 or something
[22:18] <Dan-K2VOL1> pesos
[22:19] <fsphil> ah yes
[22:20] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
[22:20] <fsphil> the camera used on fitsat-1: http://www.silentsystem.jp/c1098.htm
[22:21] <fsphil> it's basically the same as I've been using
[22:30] <x-f> happy new year, guys!
[22:30] <x-f> to new altitude and distance records, and successful recoveries!
[22:31] <Dan-K2VOL1> Happy New year
[22:31] <x-f> Lunar_Lander, you're next in 30 minutes!
[22:31] <Dan-K2VOL1> nice fsphil
[22:31] <Dan-K2VOL1> I tried to go look at it, but it was cloudy
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[22:33] <fsphil> same here annoyingly
[22:34] <fsphil> if I had a camera on a cube sat, I'd be taking loads more pictures
[22:34] <SpeedEvil> downlink is a problem
[22:34] <fsphil> although it'll be difficult to top http://www.fit.ac.jp/~tanaka/FITSAT/001_Gb.jpg
[22:35] <Dan-K2VOL1> haha yep it would
[22:35] <Dan-K2VOL1> that is awesome
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[22:39] <Lunar_Lander> x-f, yeah
[22:39] <Lunar_Lander> x-f, happy new year!
[22:40] <Lunar_Lander> ah fitsat is from japan?
[22:45] <fsphil> hai
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[23:29] <Lunar_Lander> HAPPY NEW YEAR
[23:29] <gonzo__> almost
[23:29] <Dan-K2VOL1> half hour offset time zones eh?
[23:29] <fsphil> happy new year Lunar_Lander
[23:29] <fsphil> I think it was 30 minutes ago for germany
[23:30] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[23:58] <chrisg7ogx> A Very Happy New Year to ALL!
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