[00:01] <fsphil> ooch
[00:01] <bbjunkie> nasty
[00:02] <SP9UOB> almost online...
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[00:06] <Laurenceb_> russians with their dashcams
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[00:10] <DrLuke> holy cow
[00:11] <fsphil> I had a gopro on my dash once, and the most interesting thing that happened was the rain
[00:11] <fsphil> although to be honest I'm happy enough with that :)
[00:12] <bbjunkie> lol
[00:12] <SP9UOB> :-)
[00:14] <daveake_> fsphil It would have made an interesting story if it hadn't rained
[00:14] <oh7lzb> 8)
[00:14] <bbjunkie> daveake_ that would've hit the headlines
[00:15] <fsphil> indeed!
[00:19] <Laurenceb_> http://cheezburger.com/6890676992
[00:19] <fsphil> do I click
[00:19] <fsphil> or not clock
[00:19] <fsphil> click too
[00:19] Action: fsphil clicks
[00:20] <fsphil> yea it's alright :p
[00:22] Action: SP9UOB yawns
[00:22] <SpeedEvil> http://memebase.cheezburger.com/pictureisunrelated
[00:23] <Laurenceb_> http://cheezburger.com/6874453248
[00:23] <chrisg7ogx> I see you have a very good friend heading north on the e50
[00:27] <daveake_> Oh, what happened to the flight today?
[00:27] <fsphil> gps failed
[00:27] <daveake_> ouch
[00:27] <fsphil> got a single position on the way down though
[00:27] <fsphil> landed in a forest park
[00:27] <daveake_> Recovered?
[00:28] <fsphil> last news was they had a signal
[00:28] <fsphil> but it had no gps lock
[00:28] <fsphil> so they where still looking
[00:28] <daveake_> df then
[00:28] <daveake_> might get it
[00:28] <fsphil> the chase car has moved away but no news yet
[00:28] <fsphil> they might have got it
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[00:29] Action: SP9UOB is dying out of curiosity
[00:29] <daveake_> Just looking at spacenear; that's a very strange ascent
[00:29] <SP9UOB> maybe u-fl connector got loose
[00:29] <fsphil> it was a small balloon I think?
[00:29] <SP9UOB> fsphil: 100g kaysam
[00:29] <daveake_> 100g IIRC
[00:29] <fsphil> although I don't think steve's 100g did that
[00:29] <SP9UOB> http://sp9uob.verox.pl/balon/SP9UOB-3/IMG_0005.JPG
[00:30] <fsphil> that payload is in need of some florescent :)
[00:31] <SP9UOB> it was searged by night. I run out for all my uranium and plutonium paint ;-)
[00:32] <SP9UOB> *searched
[00:33] <SP9UOB> http://sp9uob.verox.pl/balon/SP9UOB-3/IMG_9997.JPG
[00:34] <fsphil> it really is a tiny balloon
[00:34] <SP9UOB> but does the job :-)
[00:35] <fsphil> indeedy, I'm hoping to launch a few here if I can get them
[00:35] <daveake_> ditto
[00:35] <daveake_> Bypass DM :)
[00:35] <SP9UOB> it has bursting diameter about 2m
[00:36] <daveake_> I think you mean "no more than 2m" ;)
[00:36] <SP9UOB> so - it can fly as pico with transmitter inside
[00:36] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[00:36] <Lunar_Lander> did you see XKCD explaining a Saturn V with only the 1000 most used words?
[00:36] <SP9UOB> anyway - here in Poland we dont have "pico exclusion"
[00:37] <SP9UOB> daveake_: yes "no more than 2 m in diameter"
[00:38] <SP9UOB> just launch another one in 2-3 weeks
[00:39] <fsphil> I might be sending one your way soon SP9UOB
[00:39] <fsphil> if I get the time, and don't catch another flu
[00:41] <SP9UOB> fsphil: thanks, but i have pic 18F tracker to test :-)
[00:41] <SP9UOB> fsphil: dual APRS/RTTY code
[00:41] <fsphil> nice
[00:43] <SP9UOB> but this time with uBLOX :-)
[00:43] <Lunar_Lander> SP9UOB, with UBX or NMEA?
[00:43] <fsphil> it's unusual for a gps to mess up like that
[00:43] <SP9UOB> Lunar_Lander: nmea
[00:44] <Lunar_Lander> ah
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[00:44] <SpeedEvil> If the antenna isn't broken
[00:45] <fsphil> yea that would be the most likely fault
[00:45] <daveake_> No 808 GPS jammer on board?
[00:46] <SP9UOB> but antenna fault dosent explain altitude lock at 6200m
[00:47] <SP9UOB> also last data was: <om1ats> $SP8OB,840,13:13:04,4858.4051,01923.6093,6207*E6BA
[00:47] <SP9UOB> 6207 meters altitude
[00:47] <SpeedEvil> or that, yeah
[00:47] <SpeedEvil> frequency drifting manner
[00:47] <SpeedEvil> jammer
[00:51] <SP9UOB> daveake_: no jammer on board. PAyload Was tested 1 week ago (before first planned launch) and was working ok
[00:52] <daveake_> Maybe the plug on the GPS aerial cable was loose?
[00:53] <SP9UOB> daveake_: i suspecting that
[00:53] <SP9UOB> thats u-fl connector
[00:53] <daveake_> Temperature is the other possibility, if the antenna was outside
[00:53] <SP9UOB> and lassen trimble NEED active antenna
[00:54] <daveake_> And a bit of ground plane too
[00:54] <SP9UOB> daveake: it was inside http://sp9uob.verox.pl/balon/sputnik2.jpg
[00:54] <daveake_> I had a Lassen get stuck at 14km (I think it was). Aerial was outside. It started up again a few km higher
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[00:55] <daveake_> Yeah shouldn't be temperature then
[00:55] <daveake_> I've flown a Lassen in a ball like that with no problems
[00:55] <SP9UOB> strange is altitude stuck at 6200m
[00:56] <SP9UOB> and one position fix before it hit the ground/trees
[00:57] <daveake_> Yep
[00:57] <daveake_> And what's with the strange ascent curve?
[00:57] <daveake_> If it's accurate, it's very strange that it went up quickly and then slowly
[00:57] <SP9UOB> i cant explain that
[00:58] <SP9UOB> gps often lost lock during flight
[00:59] <daveake_> Sure, but the shape is strange even if you smooth out the steps
[01:00] <daveake_> Did your telemetry report the number of sats?
[01:00] <SP9UOB> no
[01:00] <daveake_> shame - might have been a clue
[01:00] <SP9UOB> no memory to parse more than GPGGA
[01:01] <SP9UOB> it was small pic with 224 bytes of ram
[01:01] <daveake_> ouch!
[01:03] <daveake_> My current project is my next Pi flight. Memory isn't an issue :p
[01:03] <daveake_> 224 is pretty tight for a tracker
[01:04] <KT5TK> Except if you determine your location with life video pattern recognition rather than gps
[01:04] <SP9UOB> daveake_: i have also dsPIC tracker 'allmighty' and 18F26k22 dual APRS/RTTY
[01:05] <SP9UOB> daveake; dspic with dsp core aprs/psk31 demodulation :-)
[01:05] <daveake_> It's nice to use different processors. Different challenges
[01:05] <daveake_> Different capabilities to take advantage of too :)
[01:05] <SP9UOB> compilers for pic16,18 are horrible
[01:06] <daveake_> What are you using?
[01:06] <fsphil> being able to use C was the reason I switched to avr
[01:06] <SP9UOB> daveake: microchip C, Hi-soft and before CCS-c
[01:06] <SP9UOB> for 8 bit
[01:07] <SP9UOB> and microchip C for 16/32 bit
[01:07] <SP9UOB> pics
[01:10] <SP9UOB> mcc18 has no %f format in printf
[01:10] <SpeedEvil> %f is evil in embedded
[01:10] <SP9UOB> really annoying
[01:10] <SpeedEvil> well, small 8bit embedded
[01:11] <Laurenceb_> you can use small print implementations
[01:11] <SP9UOB> it can be done, even with external library
[01:11] <Laurenceb_> but standard float printf on embedded is way too big
[01:11] <SpeedEvil> there isn't a need for float for GPS
[01:11] <Laurenceb_> theres printf from fatfs
[01:11] <SP9UOB> right - but it can by linged by request
[01:11] <Laurenceb_> and procyon avrlib
[01:12] <SP9UOB> linked
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[01:19] <SP9UOB> SpeedEvil: when You want calculate distance from start do do automatic cut-down you NEED floats and some trygonometric functions :-)
[01:19] <SpeedEvil> need is strong
[01:20] <SpeedEvil> sqrt is not trig
[01:20] <SpeedEvil> and you don't even need that
[01:20] <SP9UOB> dlon = lon1 - lon0;
[01:20] <SP9UOB> dlat = lat1 - lat0;
[01:20] <SP9UOB> a = pow(sin(dlat/2),2) + cos(lat0) * cos(lat1) * pow(sin(dlon/2), 2);
[01:20] <SP9UOB> c = fabs(2 * atan2(sqrt(a), sqrt(1-a)));
[01:20] <SP9UOB> dist= (c * 6366.71); // km
[01:21] <SpeedEvil> DX/^2+dy^2>n
[01:21] <SP9UOB> ahh circle
[01:21] <SP9UOB> ok
[01:21] <SpeedEvil> well, if you care about accuracy, scale one of the x or y first
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[01:21] <SpeedEvil> so you don't get an oval
[01:22] <SpeedEvil> but the above is pretty accurate for 'small' distances - a few thousand km
[01:22] <SP9UOB> right, but im not launching from centre of Poland :-)
[01:23] <SP9UOB> i want to avoid Ukraine/russia/belarus
[01:23] <SpeedEvil> so store initial, and subtract
[01:23] <SpeedEvil> oh
[01:23] <SP9UOB> west and south is ok
[01:23] <SpeedEvil> it's nit a circle?
[01:23] <SpeedEvil> not
[01:24] Action: SpeedEvil is mostly asleep
[01:24] <SP9UOB> no, want to cut off autonomically before our east border
[01:24] <Lunar_Lander> SP9UOB, note that on AVR and C the trig functions work in radians
[01:25] <SP9UOB> Lunar_Lander: i know
[01:26] <SP9UOB> Lunar_Lander: almost everywhere takes arguments in radians
[01:26] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[01:26] <SpeedEvil> also, a 256 entry cut down bitmap is 8 bytes
[01:26] <SP9UOB> POSIX/ANSI/avr/pic
[01:30] <arko> hey SP9UOB!
[01:30] <arko> good flight?
[01:30] <SP9UOB> hi arko
[01:30] <SP9UOB> arko: gps fail :-( flight was good but not many data :-(
[01:31] <arko> aww
[01:31] <arko> what gps module?
[01:32] <SP9UOB> lassen trimble IQ
[01:32] <SP9UOB> suspecting loose antenna connector
[01:32] <SP9UOB> but it was also some other strange behavior
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[01:37] <Lunar_Lander> hello arko
[01:37] <Lunar_Lander> SP9UOB, so you want to make a geofence?
[01:44] <SP9UOB> Lunar_Lander: just to avoid my gopro landing outside my country :-)
[01:46] <Lunar_Lander> yea :)
[01:46] <Lunar_Lander> problem was that I once made a similar program
[01:46] <Lunar_Lander> never worked
[01:47] <Lunar_Lander> the arduino simply refused to calculate and just gave 0 in all variables
[01:47] <SP9UOB> BOBAS mission was landed 200m in Belaurus teritory and ned embassy and 2 months to recover
[01:47] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[01:51] <SP9UOB> Radim is approaching his home
[01:51] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[02:12] <SP9UOB> radim_OM2AMR: You are *REALLY* crazy :-)
[02:12] <radim_OM2AMR> :-)
[02:12] <radim_OM2AMR> TOmek, why you don't sleep :-)
[02:12] <SP9UOB> got my text message :) ?
[02:13] <radim_OM2AMR> yes, but too late, we were in area without coverage
[02:13] <SP9UOB> radim_OM2AMR: i have to wait when You be safe at home
[02:13] <Lunar_Lander> hello radim_OM2AMR
[02:13] <radim_OM2AMR> 48.995317 19.421171
[02:14] <radim_OM2AMR> that's the place on the road, where the signal was strongest, we went to the left and to the right, there was too many reflection from snow, trees etc :-(
[02:14] <Lunar_Lander> and then you found it?
[02:14] <radim_OM2AMR> Oh, tomek, that's very nice from you, but we are creazy mens :-)
[02:14] <SP9UOB> radim_OM2AMR: no fix since 19:08 ?
[02:15] <SP9UOB> radim_OM2AMR: im feel guilty :-)
[02:15] <SP9UOB> radim_OM2AMR: its really cold outside
[02:15] <radim_OM2AMR> Lunar, it's probably in the trees, there are about 20-30 meters high trees, very dense
[02:15] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[02:16] <radim_OM2AMR> so we walked maybe under it :-(
[02:16] <radim_OM2AMR> TOmek, please dont'feel guilty, it was our idea to go there
[02:17] <radim_OM2AMR> on the one side of the road there is a beck, we had to go through water
[02:17] <SP9UOB> 20 meters pine.... its almost impossible to get capsule without cutting the tree
[02:17] <radim_OM2AMR> regarding fix, it was strange, we saw three or four other "fixes" but only the time was updated
[02:18] <SP9UOB> im really curious wat was happened
[02:18] <SP9UOB> what
[02:18] <radim_OM2AMR> spruces tomek with dense and high crests
[02:19] <arko> SP9UOB aww that sucks
[02:20] <arko> thanks for the ascent data though
[02:20] <arko> :P
[02:20] <SP9UOB> radim_OM2AMR: unhappy place
[02:20] <SP9UOB> arko: ascend data are very uncertain
[02:20] <arko> aww
[02:20] <radim_OM2AMR> Brano (other guy) is in military forces, so he is trained, but me not so :-)
[02:20] <arko> haven't had a chance to take a look at it
[02:21] <radim_OM2AMR> anyway I had to buid improvised bridge over the beck :-D
[02:21] <SP9UOB> arko: i have 8 more balloons, also hepium is in the bootle - so more data soon :-)
[02:22] <arko> sweet
[02:22] <arko> whens the next launch?
[02:22] <SP9UOB> arko: dont know yet
[02:23] <SP9UOB> radim_OM2AMR: big thanks
[02:23] <radim_OM2AMR> just one note before my leave to bed - we found traces of the bear ! :-D
[02:23] <radim_OM2AMR> fresh traces in the snow
[02:23] <SP9UOB> scary...
[02:24] <radim_OM2AMR> tomek, no problem, when we can help, we will do it, but I'm sorry, that we can't found it
[02:24] <arko> oh fun
[02:24] <SP9UOB> radim_OM2AMR: Hams are awesome :-)
[02:24] <SP9UOB> ok, good night all
[02:25] <radim_OM2AMR> good night to all too, especially to SP9UOB :-)
[02:25] <SP9UOB> and radim_OM2AMR :-)
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[02:26] <arko> night!
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[03:15] <arko> bah, im not able to hit any aprs stations around me
[03:15] <arko> 2W isn't enough i guess for being on the ground
[03:15] <arko> :/
[04:09] <arko> damn takes 6W to hit the closes station
[04:09] <arko> closest*
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[07:13] <jcoxon> morning
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[07:53] <arko> morning
[07:54] <arko> it must be getting late for me, i forgot if you can get the lat long from these aprs decoders
[07:54] <arko> 23:53:00$ fm N6ARA-0 to S4QTPQ-0 via WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1 UI PID=F0 `.+=l#.O/'"9]}HABEX|!z%P'C|!w]7!|3
[07:54] <arko> cant remember how to decode that
[07:54] <arko> >_<
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[08:51] <oh7lzb> arko: That's a mic-e packet. Convert the packet to TNC2 format and put it in through a decoder such as Ham::APRS::FAP (perl).
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[08:52] <oh7lzb> N6ARA-0>S4QTPQ-0,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1:`.+=l#.O/'"9]}HABEX|!z%P'C|!w]7!|3
[08:52] <arko> yeah i just googled for like 10 minutes trying to figure this out
[08:52] <oh7lzb> that would be the TNC2 equivalent
[08:52] <arko> noticed there are different encodings
[08:52] <arko> this is a short packet in mic-e, as you mentioned
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[08:53] <oh7lzb> it's a lot of work to decode it by hand
[08:53] <arko> really?
[08:53] <oh7lzb> Do you just need to get the data or do you want to learn how to do it?
[08:54] <arko> just need the data at the moment
[08:54] <oh7lzb> ok, for that specific packet or the packets sent by the station?
[08:54] <arko> my programming cable is at home, otherwise i would switched it to nmea
[08:54] <arko> yeah
[08:54] <arko> i just wish there was a webapp that i could just drop the string into >_<
[08:54] <arko> i thought it would be much easier than this
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[08:55] <oh7lzb> If the packet is listed in aprs.fi's raw packets: http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&call=N6ARA&limit=50&view=normal
[08:55] <arko> yeah
[08:55] <arko> thats my box transmitting
[08:55] <oh7lzb> if it's stored there, just switch to Decoded mode from the drop-down on the top
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[08:55] <arko> >_<
[08:55] <arko> i feel stupid
[08:55] <oh7lzb> and it'll show packet contents as decoded by Ham::APRS::FAP
[08:55] <arko> well
[08:56] <arko> actually..
[08:56] <arko> im decoding on my end
[08:56] <arko> with MixW and AFSK1200
[08:56] <arko> both show that format
[08:56] <oh7lzb> You can also use the http://aprs.fi/export/ export tool to get a CSV or KML format
[08:57] <arko> sweet
[08:58] <arko> thanks
[08:58] <arko> damn
[08:58] <arko> i was hoping this would be easier..
[08:58] <arko> i like the short burst of MIC-E
[08:58] <arko> less suseptible to interference
[08:59] <arko> but the ground units we will have will probably get confused
[08:59] <arko> so it maybe better to just transmit as NMEA
[08:59] <arko> rather than this "APRS ASCII"
[08:59] <oh7lzb> why would they be confused?
[08:59] <arko> well
[08:59] <arko> they will have radios and a laptop running something to decode the ax.25
[09:00] <arko> they will see that packet and go "??"
[09:00] <oh7lzb> You have additional benefits from the mic-e packet!
[09:00] <arko> since it's not human translatable
[09:00] <arko> whats the additional benefits?
[09:00] <oh7lzb> So if they have a laptop, why not run an aprs program on it?
[09:00] <oh7lzb> To decode and display on map.
[09:01] <arko> it's hard to find a good one honestly
[09:01] <arko> most of these are from 1996
[09:01] <arko> it's really sad
[09:01] <oh7lzb> The packets of that tinytrack module use the base91 telemetry extension, the |!r%P'C| sequence (|....|) near the end of the packet
[09:01] <arko> ham people seriously suck at webdesign too
[09:01] <craag> aprsisce is a pretty good one for windows.
[09:02] <arko> yeah
[09:02] <oh7lzb> so it carries some stuff like voltage/temp (i'm not sure what it's measuring on your device)
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[09:02] <arko> thats one of the ones we are going to be using
[09:02] <craag> Well that'll decode mic-e packets
[09:02] <oh7lzb> AND it also carries a sequence number, which increments by 1 for each packet. This allows you to see which packets are duplicates and out of order.
[09:03] <arko> know any base91 to text converters?
[09:03] <oh7lzb> You're going to get an awful lot of delayed and out-of-order packets when transmitting APRS from altitude, due to broken bits around the network.
[09:03] <arko> oh thats good to know
[09:03] <oh7lzb> Without a sequence number the plotted path will jump around and back and forth a lot.
[09:03] <arko> what i really need is something that can just take that string and make it human readable
[09:03] <arko> to get lat long alt
[09:03] <arko> etc
[09:04] <oh7lzb> aprsis32 plots base91 telemetry and base91 encoded positions just fine.
[09:04] <arko> so if aprs.fi isn't reporting position and others with laptops decode the message, we can get position
[09:04] <arko> yeah
[09:04] <arko> but what about mac and linux people?
[09:04] <oh7lzb> Use aprsis32, it'll run fine on a laptop from '91.
[09:05] <arko> so theres no easy way to decode this
[09:05] <oh7lzb> linux: xastir or YAAC, mac: YAAC
[09:05] <oh7lzb> YAAC is written in java so runs on all, but it's not the greatest user experience...
[09:05] <oh7lzb> I think those are all easy ways.
[09:05] <oh7lzb> Much easier than making end users cut and paste strings around.
[09:06] <arko> absoluetly
[09:06] <arko> i get that
[09:06] <arko> and we will be using aprsisce
[09:06] <arko> but the one thing i want to have as a fail safe is that ability
[09:06] <arko> this isn't going to be the main method of obtaining the position
[09:07] <oh7lzb> Ok. Install perl (Linux & Mac already have it, apt-get install perl on linux if it doesn't - for windows: http://strawberryperl.com/)
[09:07] <oh7lzb> Then install the parser from here: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Ham-APRS-FAP/
[09:08] <oh7lzb> or just extract it, that's enough, no need to install
[09:08] <arko> cool
[09:08] <arko> thanks so much
[09:08] <craag> I'm booted up in linux atm, but I'm sure APRSISCE has a window for showing a text log of decoded packets from a selected callsign.
[09:08] <arko> trust me, i want to make this easy too ;)
[09:09] <oh7lzb> It comes with an example script which parses a single packet: http://cpansearch.perl.org/src/HESSU/Ham-APRS-FAP-1.18/examples/parse-aprs-packet.pl
[09:10] <oh7lzb> so you can put the TNC2 formatted packet in there, run the script and it dumps the decoding results
[09:11] <oh7lzb> Switching to NMEA would make your packets longer, and loose telemetry and especially the sequence number which is very beneficial when you're trying to figure out which packet is the last one transmitted
[09:12] <arko> craag: does APRSISCE do AFSK1200 through the audio port?
[09:12] <oh7lzb> if you receive a delayed one from a broken digipeater or igate, a few minutes later than the real last packet, it can be hard to spot that with NMEA
[09:13] <oh7lzb> APRSISCE does not itself have a modem, but it supports the popular soundmodem programs such as AGWPE
[09:13] <craag> arko: Not by itself, needs a soundmodem such as agwpe
[09:13] <oh7lzb> (there is echo in this chat room)
[09:13] <craag> Ah, beaten to it!
[09:14] <arko> haha
[09:15] <oh7lzb> I gather Sivan Toledo's modem decodes much better than AGWPE, better than other modems: https://github.com/sivantoledo/javAX25
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[09:15] <oh7lzb> There was a paper on it in the Digital Communications Conference proceedings. It runs two demodulators in parallel with different pre-emphasis, and figures which one worked better for *this* packet.
[09:15] <SP9UOB> hi all
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[09:16] <craag> Oh that looks pretty cool.
[09:17] <oh7lzb> http://www.tau.ac.il/~stoledo/Bib/Pubs/QEX-JulAug-2012.pdf there's the QEX article he wrote earlier
[09:18] <oh7lzb> http://www.tapr.org/pub_dcc31.html has the newer DCC paper, titled A High-Performance Sound-Card AX.25 Modem
[09:19] <oh7lzb> (and my paper on aprsc ;)
[09:19] <arko> uggg
[09:19] <arko> this software is such garabage
[09:20] <oh7lzb> It's often a bit sharp on the edges, yes.
[09:20] <arko> sorry, it's my inner software designer
[09:21] <arko> im ready to pay money for a working aprs program that doesn't require running two different programs
[09:21] <arko> or i'll just write my own and make it easy
[09:21] <arko> :P
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[09:23] <oh7lzb> If you have an Android device, put APRSDroid on it, the latest versions embed Sivan Toledo's modem code.
[09:24] <oh7lzb> It can even transmit, if your radio has a VOX. Just need to build an adapter from the phone to the radio.
[09:24] <arko> neato
[09:25] <oh7lzb> If someone would convert Sivan's code to C and integers, it'd run quite a bit faster, and it could be built within xastir and aprsis32. That would be cool.
[09:25] <oh7lzb> As it is java, it could be built within YAAC, which is open source. If you're into Java programming, try mating those.
[09:26] <oh7lzb> YAAC isn't very user friendly, but it does run on many platforms, I've tried Linux and Mac myself.
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[09:42] <jcoxon> i wish it wasn't so windy...
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[09:49] <number10> me too - no chance of launching today :(
[09:50] <number10> interesting next friday jcoxon http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/13646_trj001.gif
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[09:51] <jcoxon> hehe that is cool
[09:51] <jcoxon> not sure if it stay true
[09:51] <jcoxon> worth watching
[09:52] <jcoxon> potentially could be available next weekend, more sunday then sat
[09:52] <number10> unfortunately I dont think my battery would last that long - I should do a 1.8v board
[09:52] <jcoxon> add a bit of powersaving?
[09:53] <number10> 3v payload is already made and wrapped up - I could unwrap it
[09:53] <jcoxon> nah leave it
[09:53] <jcoxon> accuweather predicts slowish ground winds on saturday
[09:53] <jcoxon> and friday
[09:54] <number10> thats good
[09:54] <number10> must remember to remove the tracker from the tree http://i.imgur.com/z28qs.jpg
[09:55] <jcoxon> hehe
[09:55] <lz1dev> christmas tree tracker?
[09:55] <number10> yes
[09:57] <number10> jcoxon: have you tested any power saving code, I think steve said he had something on splat
[09:58] <jcoxon> yeah, him and Upu have been working on it
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[09:58] <jcoxon> previously it had been unreliable
[09:58] <jcoxon> but i think the key is about ensuring that you've got a good lock before you going into it
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[09:59] <number10> OK - I may have a look at that
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[10:06] <SP9UOB> number10: you Can also go to http://goo.gl/maps/JO2Hy and remove my tracker from 30 m high spruce
[10:08] <SP9UOB> $$SP9UOB,2897,20:38:34,4859.1409,01925.0572,1143*362C last position received by Radim OM2AMR
[10:10] <jcoxon> what is the actual altitude of the terrain there?
[10:11] <SP9UOB> ~ 1000 meters
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[10:13] <jcoxon> so potentially that altitude is accurate
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[10:14] <craag> If someone launches next friday evening I'll try tracking from a plane ~5am sat morning :P
[10:14] <jcoxon> i've updated the map SP9UOB
[10:15] <SP9UOB> jcoxon: http://goo.gl/maps/759fZ
[10:15] <SP9UOB> jcoxon: thank You
[10:15] <jcoxon> so its in a tree
[10:15] <jcoxon> oh well
[10:17] <SP9UOB> craag: 5am ? Its middle of the night :-)
[10:17] <craag> Yeah, early morning flight into heathrow!
[10:18] <craag> I meant if someone launched a float, that would still be up.
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[10:20] <SP9UOB> jcoxon: it was propably caught by crest of the spruce
[10:21] <jcoxon> SP9UOB, its about time we launched one over to you...
[10:23] <SP9UOB> jcoxon: sorry but i dont understand
[10:23] <SP9UOB> jcoxon: which one ?
[10:24] <SP9UOB> :-)
[10:24] <number10> SP9UOB: I dont think I fancy the bears
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[10:25] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "[UKHAS] Translating the DL-Fldigi setup guide"
[10:25] <SP9UOB> number10: Radim saw fresh bears traces :-)
[10:25] <jcoxon> SP9UOB, i mean we should launch a floater over towards poland
[10:25] <jcoxon> now that you have more listeners then we do!
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[10:25] <SP9UOB> jcoxon: just let me know, im pick up as many listeners as i can
[10:25] <number10> the 26th would have gone that way
[10:26] <number10> but was alittle windy here
[10:26] <jcoxon> i'm thinking more a 32km floater
[10:26] <jcoxon> rather than pico
[10:26] <number10> that would be good
[10:26] <jcoxon> would get better coverage etc
[10:26] <SP9UOB> jcoxon: i want to fly over Asia with solar-power :-)
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[10:26] <jcoxon> hehe
[10:26] <jcoxon> SP9UOB, i've got a solar APRS setup
[10:26] <SP9UOB> jcoxon: consider using 28 MHz or so
[10:26] <jcoxon> just waiting for some PCBs
[10:27] <jcoxon> that would work, though patchy!
[10:27] <jcoxon> if we had enough people listening then we'd be able to fill the gaps due to propergation
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[10:28] <SP9UOB> jcoxon: right
[10:29] <SP9UOB> there are also many webSDRs worldwide
[10:29] <jcoxon> yeah
[10:29] <jcoxon> would you worry about flying over Russia? or just go for it?
[10:30] <mclane> sp9uob: did you recover your payload?
[10:30] <SpeedEvil> jcoxon: do you like polonium?
[10:30] <SP9UOB> jcoxon: im little bit worry, i dont want to cause crisis ;-)
[10:30] <number10> If you make another sputnik payload will the russians take any notice
[10:31] <jcoxon> yeah thats always been my concern
[10:31] <SP9UOB> mclane: nope - its on 30 m spruce.
[10:32] <SP9UOB> mclane: on top of the moutain
[10:32] <number10> on a serious not they may be a little concerned about aerial photography of sensitive sites
[10:32] <number10> note
[10:33] <griffonbot> Received email: Trevor Cousins "[UKHAS] Re: Translating the DL-Fldigi setup guide"
[10:33] <SP9UOB> number10: last december BOBAS mission has landed 200m in Belarus teritory
[10:34] <SP9UOB> it takes 2 months and embassy to recover payload
[10:34] <number10> wow
[10:34] <SP9UOB> no one had the guts to go in there
[10:35] <number10> is it an open border
[10:35] <SP9UOB> anyway - relatively small payload with almost zero radar reflection on 32 km should be "stealth" enough
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[10:35] <SP9UOB> number10: no it isnt
[10:36] <number10> ahh - and you forgot the wire cutters ;)
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[10:36] <mclane> sp9uob ah, reminds me to our last mission howewer, ours was only 15m
[10:36] <SP9UOB> barbed wire, armed soliders...
[10:37] <SP9UOB> mclane: so i beat You ;-)
[10:38] <SP9UOB> http://www.kosmonauta.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=837.0;attach=19122;image
[10:40] <SP9UOB> ~200 meters in Belarus teritory
[10:40] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Translating the DL-Fldigi setup guide"
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[10:43] <griffonbot> Received email: Tomasz Brol "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Translating the DL-Fldigi setup guide"
[10:43] <jcoxon> hey SP9UOB
[10:44] <Upu> number10 see http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:ublox_psm
[10:44] <number10> ta Upu
[10:44] <Upu> I updated with findings
[10:44] <Upu> Also http://ava.upuaut.net/?p=437
[10:45] <SP9UOB> jcoxon: ?
[10:46] <jcoxon> SP9UOB, oh i was going to discuss translations with you
[10:46] <SP9UOB> jcoxon: ok
[10:46] <jcoxon> i think its worth having a wiki translation
[10:46] <jcoxon> but it can be pretty much be identical to your page
[10:47] <griffonbot> Received email: Radim Mutina "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Translating the DL-Fldigi setup guide"
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[10:49] <jcoxon> SP9UOB, http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide#dl-fldigi
[10:49] <SP9UOB> jcoxon: i just described step by step. And as You can see - many people can be mobilized when they has complete guide
[10:50] <jcoxon> yeah i've been inspired
[10:50] <jcoxon> i guess we could just link directly to your page
[10:51] <SP9UOB> jcoxon: can You just copy english page (with pictures embedded) into polish section? Then i just translate it
[10:51] <SP9UOB> jcoxon: You Can also link to my page
[10:51] <jcoxon> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide:polish
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[10:54] <SP9UOB> jcoxon: im waiting for registration e-mail
[10:55] <jcoxon> there won't be one
[10:55] <jcoxon> :-p
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[10:55] <jcoxon> try logging in instead
[10:58] <SP9UOB> jcoxon: but i dont have password :-)
[10:58] <Upu> I'll sort it
[10:59] <jcoxon> i've done it
[10:59] <number10> Upu: would you wait for 5 sats and setPSM... and if (sats < 5) setMax
[11:00] <Upu> yeah sats >=5 && lock==3
[11:00] <Upu> you have a PM Tomasz
[11:01] <jcoxon> Upu, eek i've already set his password
[11:01] <Upu> I've not set the max performance back on if Sats drop below 5
[11:01] <jcoxon> have you broken it now Upu?
[11:01] <Upu> need to test that
[11:01] <Upu> most probably yes jcoxon
[11:01] <Upu> lol
[11:01] <Upu> try either password SP9UOB :)
[11:02] <number10> would be interesting to take it in and out of the house to test that Upu
[11:02] <Upu> yeah I plan too
[11:02] <Upu> I need to get a battery wired up for testing it, thats my plan next week
[11:02] <number10> I dont think I will unwrap this payload - but maybe make a 1.8v one and add the pwersave to that
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[11:03] <number10> I'll stick an order in for 1.8 ublox
[11:03] <Upu> it seems to require fine when it looses satellites but I've not tested a total loss of signal yet
[11:03] <Upu> sure
[11:03] <Upu> Been a busy Christmas
[11:03] <number10> yes
[11:03] <Upu> I've run out of everything bar the 1.8v modules
[11:04] <number10> :)
[11:04] <SP9UOB> jcoxon: ok edit is working, few first sentences are translated by now
[11:04] <jcoxon> SP9UOB, hooray
[11:05] <SP9UOB> ok im must go now, but translation will be ready soon :-)
[11:05] <SP9UOB> bye all
[11:06] <jcoxon> np
[11:06] <SP9UOB> anyway talking to You on IRC is good way to improve my english :-)
[11:06] <jcoxon> cya
[11:06] <SP9UOB> i have serious problems with english grammar
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[11:14] <jcoxon> how awesome is this: http://wiki.tautic.com/Category:AS3935_Lightning_Sensor_Dev_Board
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[11:52] <fsphil> oooh, a nearby town had some snow this morning
[11:52] <griffonbot> Received email: GMT "[UKHAS] Re: New dl-fldigi Release (mandatory upgrade!)"
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[11:56] <griffonbot> Received email: Adam Greig "Re: [UKHAS] Re: New dl-fldigi Release (mandatory upgrade!)"
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[13:32] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: updated iPhone chase car app with speed, altitude and limit speed reporting #ukhas http://t.co/gzwYFsxL [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/285377782467403776]
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[13:39] <lz1dev> is that app available in the store?
[13:40] <costyn> cuddykid: in cydia or appstore?
[13:42] <cuddykid> costyn: it will be in the App Store when they get around to approving it :)
[13:43] <cuddykid> I submitted the 1st version 2 days ago
[13:43] <fsphil> what happens if they don't?
[13:43] <lz1dev> get it on cydia
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[13:43] <cuddykid> fsphil: they better do! haha
[13:43] <cuddykid> if not I'll put it on cydia
[13:47] <Hiena> How i likes to change the engine heads... One and half hour to remove one from a wreck just realize the valves rusted.
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[15:10] <SP9UOB> hi all
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[17:13] <griffonbot> Received email: Trevor Cousins "[UKHAS] Where do you get your balloons?"
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[17:25] <griffonbot> Received email: Lukas J. "Re: [UKHAS] Where do you get your balloons?"
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[17:32] <hyte> hi, i've been running dl-fldigi in my win7 laptop with out issues. Last night it just stopped working. It brings up an error message on starting. I have the most modern version. Has anyone else experienced similar?
[17:32] <Randomskk> what error message?
[17:32] <Randomskk> also, is this the just-released version from a day or two ago?
[17:33] <hyte> its was the old version (onw of ther 3 versions), then I upgraded to 3.21.50
[17:33] <hyte> i'll copy the error
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[17:35] <hyte> http://imgur.com/vJrJa
[17:36] <Randomskk> wow, that's not hugely helpful of windows
[17:36] <Randomskk> is this the very latest version, from a couple of days ago?
[17:36] <fsphil> haha
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[17:36] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[17:36] <fsphil> "Your program has crashed. Guess where! Go on, guess. No really, guess; I'm not helping."
[17:37] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[17:37] <fsphil> I wonder if deleting the configuration directly would help -- it could be an old, now invalid, setting
[17:38] <fsphil> directory*
[17:38] <griffonbot> Received email: mclane "Re: [UKHAS] Translating the DL-Fldigi setup guide"
[17:39] <hyte> each time i've uninstalled it has completely removed thr dl-fldigi directory from program files
[17:39] <fsphil> ah
[17:39] <fsphil> there is another directory in your profile
[17:39] <fsphil> c:\documents and settings\username\
[17:39] <fsphil> try renaming that and starting the program
[17:40] <fsphil> it should go through the startup wizard again
[17:40] <hyte> ok, thanks. I'll do that
[17:40] <fsphil> I wonder why MS never changed to the forward slash, to match everyone else
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[17:42] <fsphil> hyte: keep the old directory, if renaming it works then some old setting is causing it to crash - and it might be useful to have a copy of it
[17:42] <hyte> ok
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[17:50] <hyte> remamed the directory and seems to have fixed it, the directory also seemed to be restricted to all so that could have been it
[17:50] <hyte> thank you
[17:53] <griffonbot> Received email: Trevor Cousins "Re: [UKHAS] Where do you get your balloons?"
[17:53] <Lunar_Lander> from ALDI or LIDL
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[17:57] <OZ1SKY_Brian> sounds like new years eve outside allready
[18:01] <fsphil> just raining here, as usual
[18:03] <Lunar_Lander> OZ1SKY_Brian, ah people can't wait to use the fireworks?
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[18:04] <OZ1SKY_Brian> i gess they seen the weather forcast :-)
[18:04] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:04] <fsphil> haha
[18:05] <fsphil> forecast here is quite nice for new years night
[18:05] <OZ1SKY_Brian> overcasted, windy and rain
[18:05] <fsphil> a bit of cloud here too, but that's probably gonna keep it above freezing
[18:07] <Lunar_Lander> btw do you know the band "HURTS"?
[18:07] <fsphil> are they mega? or just kila?
[18:07] <Lunar_Lander> they made a nice song called "All I want for Christmas is new year's day"
[18:07] <Lunar_Lander> xDF
[18:08] <fsphil> oh that's a new one
[18:08] <Lunar_Lander> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHLrcAzF7v0
[18:09] <fsphil> I'll see your cheesy pop, and raise you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-9UvrLyj3k
[18:10] <fsphil> although I'm not quite sure what was raised in that video
[18:11] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[18:11] <fsphil> man that song is over 15 years old now
[18:11] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:11] <fsphil> it's practically classical music
[18:14] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:14] <Lunar_Lander> ohh the old lady gets a heart attack
[18:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> another way of filling a ballon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du_WZTfRRj0
[18:16] <fsphil> that has no flaws at all
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[18:34] <OZ1SKY_Brian> oh my, that launch didnt goo well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9i6_9mVzSY
[18:39] <daveake> whoops
[18:40] <Laurenceb_> looks fine to me
[18:41] <daveake> keep watching
[18:42] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 1:50 and on
[18:42] <Laurenceb_> ah
[18:42] <mclane_> ulibaer
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[18:55] <fsphil> considering where they landed, it was lucky they had no parachute
[18:55] <daveake> :)
[18:55] <fsphil> but yea, I'm sure eroomde could tell them a thing or two about cable ties
[18:55] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[18:55] <Lunar_Lander> how do you celebrate new year's in the UK?
[18:55] <fsphil> same as any other event, beer
[18:56] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[18:56] <OZ1SKY_Brian> LOL
[18:56] <Lunar_Lander> today the shops in the city were open
[18:56] <Lunar_Lander> and I bought two british things
[18:56] <fsphil> I shall be preparing a launch
[18:56] <Lunar_Lander> Cheddar cheese and Walker's cookies from Scotland
[18:56] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[18:57] <fsphil> there's a shop in the town selling polish food
[18:57] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[18:57] <fsphil> I'm sure it's mostly the same, just with a polish name
[18:57] <Lunar_Lander> lol yea
[18:58] <Lunar_Lander> on the cheddar it says "Britains favourite Cheddar" but with the german word for Britain
[18:58] <fsphil> I do like cheddar
[18:58] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:58] <Lunar_Lander> it's tasty!
[18:59] <daveake> I could gorge myself on it
[18:59] <fsphil> cheese on toast, classic
[18:59] <Lunar_Lander> yea :)
[19:00] <fsphil> had that yesterday for lunch
[19:00] <fsphil> with a little bit of pepper
[19:00] <fsphil> mmm
[19:00] <Lunar_Lander> on german TV is a show called "Flirt English" which is like intended to teach english to people who are not so good in the language
[19:00] <Lunar_Lander> and in one episode they cook
[19:00] <Lunar_Lander> oh what was it
[19:00] <Lunar_Lander> yorkshire pudding I think
[19:01] <Lunar_Lander> and the guy asks "Sausages and Pudding?!"
[19:01] <Lunar_Lander> *the german guy
[19:02] <fsphil> I'm glad there isn't a Glasgow Pudding
[19:02] <Lunar_Lander> because it would contain haggis and stuff?
[19:02] <fsphil> haggis isn't that bad
[19:03] <fsphil> I had some in a toastie once
[19:04] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:04] <fsphil> best not to thing about it too much though
[19:04] <fsphil> think*
[19:04] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:11] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "Re: [UKHAS] Translating the DL-Fldigi setup guide"
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[19:13] <griffonbot> Received email: David Bowkis "Re: [UKHAS] Where do you get your balloons?"
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[19:19] <Lunar_Lander> hi mclane
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[19:20] <mclane> Hi Lunar_Lander - whats the progress on your payload?
[19:20] <Lunar_Lander> ah almost done
[19:20] <Lunar_Lander> and on your side? how was flight 3?
[19:21] <mclane> flight 3 was successfull - see our website www.pirnay.com
[19:21] <mclane> plans are ongoing for 4 and 5 in spring 2013
[19:21] <mclane> when the jetstreams are not so violent
[19:23] <mclane> we are working on different improvements - more powerfull payload controller, bidir comm on 868 MHz
[19:23] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:23] <Lunar_Lander> sounds good
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> I am fighting with the humidity sensor at the moment
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[19:56] <Laurenceb_> http://phys.org/news187512784.html
[19:56] <Laurenceb_> they stole my idea
[19:56] <Laurenceb_> or not as the date shows
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[19:59] <Laurenceb_> https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=e6cd1318dc67b16e255db11520affb3d&tab=core&_cview=1
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[20:01] <Laurenceb_> lol @ classified sections in pdf
[20:04] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Aerospace "Re: [UKHAS] Where do you get your balloons?"
[20:08] <jcoxon> ping Upu
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[20:21] <Upu> pong jcoxon
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[20:36] <MikCx> Hi all,
[20:37] <MikCx> Can anyone help me with my burst info - I am wondering if I am pushing the fill too much...
[20:37] <Upu> hey MikCx
[20:37] <Upu> http://habhub.org/calc/
[20:37] <MikCx> My info on http://www.cusf.co.uk/calc/ is : Payload 950g using Kaymont 1000
[20:38] <Upu> ok
[20:38] <Upu> put 5m/s in the ascent
[20:38] <MikCx> and my target ascent rate is 6.85
[20:38] <Upu> and delete the target burst
[20:39] <MikCx> this is to prevent me getting too close to the east coast!
[20:39] <Upu> Should get about 5.5m/s which is fine
[20:39] <Upu> 2500g of neck lift
[20:39] <MikCx> do you think that 6.85 m/s would be too much?
[20:39] <Upu> Well its pushing it
[20:39] <Upu> and its going to need alot of gas
[20:40] <MikCx> Yup&
[20:40] <MikCx> That is what I was thinking, when adding everything up!
[20:40] <Upu> when are you launching ?
[20:41] <MikCx> Was planning for Thursday 0700 from 54.3069 -2.1035
[20:41] <Lunar_Lander> hello Upu !
[20:41] <MikCx> very cheap / basic GPS via GSM system for my first go
[20:41] <Upu> hey Lunar
[20:41] <Upu> got a NOTAM ?
[20:42] <MikCx> NOTAM is sorted
[20:43] <Upu> for Thursday ?
[20:44] <Upu> Have you had it back from Dave Miller, not casting dispersions but I can't see it on NOTAM Info for that location
[20:46] <MikCx> Sorry - I just looked up what NOTAM is instead of assuming, and no - I certainly don't have one of those.
[20:46] <Upu> If you've not received a PDF with a CAA stamp on it you don't have a NOTAM and I'd ask you very nicely not to launch
[20:46] <Randomskk> (also it would likely be illegal to launch)
[20:46] <MikCx> Is it something I can still apply for at this notice& A google search just indicated that it would take months!
[20:46] <Upu> ah ok well you need to apply for one of those before you launch a large balloon like that
[20:47] <jcoxon> david miller is away till thurs morning
[20:47] <Randomskk> though to quibble slightly the NOTAM isn't required, the NoV is, and that's what you apply for, and the NOTAM is issued at the same time as an advisory service
[20:47] <Upu> well on the plus side we caught you before you did something silly
[20:47] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/general:restrictions_legality
[20:47] <MikCx> Thank you...
[20:47] <Upu> go apply
[20:47] <Upu> in the mean time the weather will change
[20:47] <Upu> hopefully
[20:48] <MikCx> Do you think that I would be able to sort one on that short notice?!
[20:48] <Upu> which means you won't need huge volumes of gass
[20:48] <Upu> unlikely
[20:48] <Upu> but try it
[20:48] <jcoxon> MikCx, when do you plan to launch?
[20:49] <MikCx> Was hoping for Thur 03/01 0700
[20:49] <MikCx> but might be unlikely having just learned about NOTAM (just reading that last link given)
[20:49] <jcoxon> the person at the CAA who does the organisation is away until Thurs morning
[20:50] <jcoxon> so i don't think he'd be able to issue one in a few hours
[20:50] <MikCx> Ha& So thursday is off then!
[20:51] <Upu> gives you time to sort out the NOTAM and a radio tracker :)
[20:51] <MikCx> How approachable are they about flexibility and dates. Surely the more up-to-speed guys must still suffer from weather changes?
[20:51] <jcoxon> you can ask for windows
[20:51] <Upu> Generally you put a NOTAM in for say a specific weekend
[20:51] <jcoxon> say for a week
[20:51] <Upu> or a week
[20:51] <Upu> :)
[20:51] <jcoxon> hehe
[20:52] <MikCx> Ha. Right - I see&
[20:52] <Randomskk> also a very small number of people have six-month NOTAMs for fixed sites that tend to get renewed
[20:52] <fsphil> or longer, but I get the impression they don't like doing that :)
[20:52] <Randomskk> they really don't like that
[20:52] <Upu> I would advise you don't get one of those unless you like talking to pilots at 8am in the morning
[20:52] <jcoxon> or you can do it the way we have it setup for suffolk
[20:52] <Randomskk> 8am? lucky!
[20:52] <jcoxon> where we have a defined site
[20:52] <jcoxon> which has previous permissions
[20:52] <fsphil> I've been meaning to ask about that
[20:53] <jcoxon> and we email a week in advance
[20:53] <Dark3D> What is the max size balloon that you guys can launch that keeps within the 2m restriction?
[20:53] <Randomskk> basically nothing latex
[20:53] <fsphil> Dark3D: 2m :)
[20:53] <Randomskk> heh, yea
[20:54] <Dark3D> I should have seen that one coming.
[20:54] <fsphil> jcoxon: is that a special arrangement you asked for, or just a side effect of reapplying with the same details?
[20:54] <Upu> 100g if done right Dark3D
[20:54] <fsphil> Dark3D: sorry, I'm too weak to resist :)
[20:54] <Upu> in theory
[20:54] <jcoxon> fsphil, a bit of both
[20:54] <fsphil> it would work well here that
[20:55] <Randomskk> I don't think the 100g latex balloons burst at 1.8m at all >_>
[20:56] <Upu> no I don't either
[20:56] <fsphil> I'll suggest it to him, would save both of us time
[20:56] <Upu> but prove it
[20:56] <Upu> manufacturer says they do
[20:57] <Randomskk> personally I think I will only be launching those under NOTAM ;)
[20:57] <Upu> Well I want to have a play with them
[20:57] <Randomskk> prosecution is obviously incredibly unlikely regardless
[20:58] <Randomskk> but if you were playing by the rules I'd definitely be concerned.
[20:58] <jcoxon> well i guess the manufactuer data is the only available
[20:58] <Randomskk> they've been flown
[20:58] <Randomskk> so we know ascent rate, payload mass, burst altitude
[20:58] <Randomskk> which lets you calculate burst diameter
[20:58] <Upu> Given my proximity to LBA I'll be checking the path very carefully before launch
[20:59] <Upu> what did you work it out to be ?
[20:59] <Randomskk> I forget, something like 3.5 or 4m
[20:59] <Upu> eeesh
[20:59] <Upu> really ?
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[21:00] <Upu> I'll just pretend I didn't read that
[21:00] <Randomskk> don't hold me to that, it's been a while and I didn't write it down
[21:00] <Randomskk> it was >>2m
[21:00] <MikCx> Sorry for the daft questions, but to help me plan (an not waste a NOTAM effort) - what do you do if the weather takes a turn for the worse? Do you overfill the balloon and increase the ascent rate to improve your landing spot, or simply wait / cancel?
[21:00] <Randomskk> MikCx: depends how bad the weather is
[21:00] <MikCx> !
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[21:00] <Upu> you have control over how quick it goes up
[21:00] <Upu> when it bursts (different balloon)
[21:00] <Upu> and how fast it comes down (within safety)
[21:00] <Randomskk> Upu: the only technicality would be if you can get above restricted airspace before it exceeds 2m. but I'm not sure what altitude that is
[21:00] <fsphil> depends what you're launching too
[21:01] <fsphil> and how important recovery is
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[21:01] <Upu> those are the only real option I have for launching from up here
[21:02] <MikCx> My payload is simple (to me!) 2 small cheap powershot cameras, a bleep to help my locate it, and a cheapy GSM / GPS tracker which I rigged up to report back to a webserver
[21:02] <Upu> which will stop working at about 2km
[21:03] <MikCx> It comes to about 950g including the box / parachute etc.
[21:03] <MikCx> I understand that from reading up, but am hopeful just to find the box and recover some photos.
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[21:04] <Upu> those translations need linking from the main page really
[21:04] <Upu> I'll sort it
[21:04] <MikCx> I understand that there are much better recovery / tracking systems, but my initial budget was to be kept low.
[21:04] <Upu> No I understand its just it won't work all the way up
[21:04] <Upu> for most of the flight you'll have no idea where it is
[21:05] <Upu> MikCx get yourself a NOTAM
[21:06] <Upu> and I'll come with a radio tracker and help you launch
[21:06] <Upu> you get the balloon and gas
[21:06] <Upu> deal ?
[21:06] <MikCx> Ha& are you serious?
[21:06] <Upu> yeah I'm serious
[21:06] <Upu> I'm only in Halifax about an hour away
[21:06] <MikCx> Where are you based? I live in Leeds.
[21:06] <MikCx> Ahh.. ok!
[21:07] <Upu> Want to see you payload first and make sure its not death from above mind :)
[21:07] <MikCx> Where would you normally launch from?
[21:07] <Upu> Down south
[21:07] <Upu> i.e below Sheffield
[21:07] <MikCx> Of course.
[21:07] <fsphil> keep an eye out for a silver box on the way there Upu :)
[21:07] <Upu> indeed :)
[21:07] <Upu> who do you know up in the Dales ?
[21:08] <Laurenceb_> <Upu> Down south
[21:08] <Laurenceb_> <Upu> i.e below Sheffield
[21:08] <Laurenceb_> i lolled
[21:08] <Upu> :)
[21:09] <MikCx> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikcanavan/6273245300/ - this was taken prior to having my little lad back in April, thus causing a bit of a delay.
[21:09] <MikCx> Safe or flying deathtrap?!
[21:10] <Upu> like the flashing light :)
[21:10] <Upu> not sure it needs the metal bits :)
[21:10] <MikCx> Its my Dad over in the Dales, which took me west enough to seem like it might be possible.
[21:10] <Upu> yeah lookks like a nice place
[21:11] <MikCx> Not metal, just breakable carbon fibre tubes.
[21:11] <Upu> ok
[21:11] <Upu> PM me you e-mail address
[21:11] <Upu> I'll send you a mail checking stuff
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[21:11] <Upu> but no NOTAM no launch so go apply :)
[21:11] <MikCx> This is only my second time on IRC& give me a mo.
[21:12] <Dark3D> Upu: I noticed one of your payloads was 50g but you're still using 1600+ gram balloon and I was curious why you don't use a smaller balloons with such a light payload?
[21:12] <Upu> altitude Dark3D
[21:12] <Upu> to get above 42km the payload needs to be light and the balloon big
[21:12] <Dark3D> ah
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[21:14] <Dark3D> running the predictor, it seems like I could almost get a floater to you guys with all this wind. :)
[21:14] <Upu> do it :)
[21:15] <Dark3D> kaymont isn't shipping until after new year.
[21:15] <Dark3D> I guess I could tie a few 36" mylars together :)
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[21:27] <Dark3D> Upu: only about 7000km between us. A group in CA just recovered one that went 9700km so we know it's doable.
[21:27] <Upu> well Ron was aiming for the UK this time but it wasn't to be
[21:31] <Dark3D> I haven't seen anything on their site as far as planned launches. Hopefully after the holidays things will become active again
[21:42] <griffonbot> Received email: Trevor Cousins "Re: [UKHAS] Where do you get your balloons?"
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[21:46] <griffonbot> Received email: Trevor Cousins "Re: [UKHAS] Where do you get your balloons?"
[21:50] <Dark3D> Upu: I'll put a second transceiver in the payload. 144.80 would be extremely easy to implement via NTX2 as my trackers already use the hx1. I'll just need to implement some power management.
[21:51] <Upu> well you can just switch the NTX2/HX1 off via the EN
[21:51] <Upu> which will save power
[21:53] <Dark3D> True.
[21:54] <Dark3D> I haven't even weighed these yet. brb
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[21:59] <Dark3D> 24.6g
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[22:46] <SP9UOB> good night all
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[22:49] <chrisg7ogx> G NIGHT
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[22:50] <Lunar_Lander> OK Walker cookies from Scotland really are worth their price
[22:50] <Lunar_Lander> Walkers even
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[23:54] <OZ1SKY_Brian> gn all and happy new year, see you next year :)
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