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[00:40] <griffonbot> Received email: Allen Sklar "RE: [UKHAS] ddmm.mmmm to dd.dddd online or with excel"
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[02:40] <mrShrimp> Anyone here?
[02:43] <arko> Yes
[02:46] <mrShrimp> Hi! I'm having trouble getting the code by Robert Harrison on this guide to work: http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2
[02:47] <mrShrimp> It works well on its own, and I copied and pasted it into a script that parses GPS data and sends it off
[02:47] <mrShrimp> but for some reason it doesn't work when I use this GPS script.
[02:48] <mrShrimp> Instead of a steady stream of radio waves
[02:48] <mrShrimp> I see incremental chunks
[02:48] <mrShrimp> on SDR#, the program I am using.
[02:49] <mrShrimp> Do you have any idea why this is happening? Thanks!
[02:55] <mrShrimp> The part I added works fine as far as I can tell; when I connect the microcontroller to the computer via Arduino instead of the transmitter it printed the right string and I could see that D13 was blinking as if data were being sent.
[02:58] <AD7ZJ> hard to say based on that information, but if you're seeing data broken up it's possible the processor can't keep up with both the TX routine and whatever GPS script you've added
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[08:48] <griffonbot> Received email: Elmar PD3EM "[UKHAS] CNSP-18 recovered"
[09:07] <griffonbot> Received email: Trevor Cousins "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Fogging Camera Lenses - Problem?"
[09:08] <griffonbot> Received email: David Bowkis "[UKHAS] Re: ANU project launch 26/12"
[09:08] <griffonbot> Received email: Trevor Cousins "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Fogging Camera Lenses - Problem?"
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[10:45] <anerDev> HI folks !
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[10:47] <fsphil> yes. yes indeed
[10:48] <number10> wind hasnt picked up here as predicted
[10:49] <cuddykid> hi all
[10:49] <number10> hi
[10:49] <x-f> hi
[10:49] <cuddykid> been working on an iPhone chase car app - hopefully have it finished soonish
[10:49] <cuddykid> similar to the android one already out
[10:50] <number10> thats good - not that I have an iphone
[10:50] <Upu> hey cudd
[10:50] <Upu> cuddykid
[10:50] <cuddykid> hi Upu
[10:50] <Upu> I have loads of art work and suggestions for that
[10:50] <number10> would be good if someone who knows fldigi code could fix the chase on that for PC
[10:50] <cuddykid> oo :D
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[10:51] <Upu> gimmie a sec
[10:51] <cuddykid> Upu: excellent - let me know/send them over - just getting to grips with iOS dev, never touched obj c before. Rather odd syntax
[10:51] <fsphil> I've heard it's not as bad as C++
[10:51] <cuddykid> I'm just glad they have ARC
[10:52] <Upu> I put a proposal together for someone who was going to do one
[10:52] <Upu> but it never came about
[10:52] <Upu> I'll zip the folder up and send it across
[10:52] <cuddykid> cheers
[10:52] <Upu> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/63720513/Images/HAB/Tracker_App/main%20screen.jpg
[10:52] <Upu> for example
[10:52] <cuddykid> oh wow - that looks cool - probably beyond me atm, but i'll work on it over time
[10:53] <Upu> Drop box is being very slow at the moment
[10:53] <fsphil> I started an android project a couple of times, but java just keeps making me angry
[10:53] <Upu> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/63720513/Images/HAB/Tracker_App/balloon-clip-art.zip
[10:53] <Upu> there
[10:53] <Upu> 45Mb
[10:53] <cuddykid> thanks
[10:54] <cuddykid> are there any docs around regarding upload format to habitat?
[10:55] <Upu> http://habitat.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
[10:56] <cuddykid> thanks
[10:56] <cuddykid> bbl
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[11:08] <griffonbot> Received email: =?UTF-8?Q?Andrea_German=C3=A0?= "[UKHAS] Hardware for transmission data"
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[11:21] <griffonbot> Received email: =?UTF-8?Q?Andrea_German=C3=A0?= "[UKHAS] Re: ddmm.mmmm to dd.dddd online or with excel"
[11:22] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "Re: [UKHAS] Hardware for transmission data"
[11:34] <cuddykid> "This shopper ava.upuaut.net are seriously or there is one better ?" :)
[11:34] <Upu> haha
[11:34] <Upu> thats going to be my new tag line on the shop
[11:35] <cuddykid> ha yes
[11:35] <Upu> HAB Supplies "This shop is seriously!"
[11:35] <cuddykid> lol
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[12:04] <griffonbot> Received email: John Tanner "Re: [UKHAS] Re: ddmm.mmmm to dd.dddd online or with excel"
[12:21] <griffonbot> Received email: Daniel Richman "Re: [UKHAS] Re: ddmm.mmmm to dd.dddd online or with excel"
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[12:40] <griffonbot> Received email: =?UTF-8?Q?Andrea_German=C3=A0?= "[UKHAS] Re: Hardware for transmission data"
[12:41] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Hardware for transmission data"
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[13:18] <griffonbot> @DutchMillbt: RT @PD3EM: RT @aprsfi: They've found CNSP-18 (K6RPT-12) in Morocco! http://t.co/LWJL4KtO #UKHAS #HAB [http://twitter.com/DutchMillbt/status/283924767180984320]
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[13:25] <griffonbot> Received email: Andrea Germanà "[UKHAS] Re: Hardware for transmission data"
[13:25] <griffonbot> Received email: Andrea Germanà "[UKHAS] Re: ddmm.mmmm to dd.dddd online or with excel"
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[13:43] <griffonbot> Received email: Radim Mutina "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Hardware for transmission data"
[13:50] <griffonbot> Received email: Daniel Richman "Re: [UKHAS] Re: ddmm.mmmm to dd.dddd online or with excel"
[13:50] <griffonbot> Received email: Mike Willis "RE: [UKHAS] Re: ddmm.mmmm to dd.dddd online or with excel"
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[14:03] <Upu> Well I can't find if that GPS module is good for high altitude, its a chinese one "STE engine" takes 78mA in tracking mode and the documentation is flakey
[14:04] <griffonbot> Received email: Andrea Germanà "[UKHAS] Re: ddmm.mmmm to dd.dddd online or with excel"
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[14:10] <griffonbot> Received email: Andrea Germanà "[UKHAS] Re: Hardware for transmission data"
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[14:19] <DrLuke> that email spam
[14:20] <griffonbot> Received email: Radim Mutina "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Hardware for transmission data"
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[14:33] <griffonbot> Received email: GTJF "[UKHAS] ds1821 temperature sensor"
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[14:52] <griffonbot> Received email: John Tanner "Re: [UKHAS] ds1821 temperature sensor"
[14:53] <griffonbot> Received email: Andrea Germanà "[UKHAS] Re: Hardware for transmission data"
[14:54] <fsphil> busy list today
[14:55] <Randomskk> yea..
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[14:59] <daveake> busier than irc was yesterday
[15:00] <Upu> indeed
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[15:26] <RocketBoy> happy xmas everyone!
[15:27] <daveake> happy xmas Steve!
[15:28] <nigelvh> Happy xmas daveake,Steve!
[15:28] <Laurenceb_> happy christmas everyone !
[15:29] <nigelvh> Anything particularly good this year?
[15:30] <daveake> I got a Upu-approved zillion lumen torch
[15:31] <nigelvh> A zillion lumens? Damn that's bright.
[15:31] <daveake> at least a zillion
[15:31] <daveake> Well a few thousand
[15:32] <Upu> seriously people say "yeah my torch is bright"
[15:32] <daveake> Well, bright enough that you don't want to look at the beam
[15:32] <Upu> and "I have this led lazer"
[15:32] <Upu> and then you bring this puppy out
[15:32] <Upu> I'm going to do EME with it
[15:32] <RocketBoy> :-)
[15:33] <nigelvh> Nice. I have one of those 1W blue laser diodes. Keep trying to find something useful to do with it besides burning drawings into wood.
[15:34] <Upu> Happy Christmas Steve
[15:35] <Upu> Mine was a success logic analyser and a 18 year old laphroaig
[15:35] <Upu> what more could a man want
[15:35] <nigelvh> Nicely done
[15:36] <Randomskk> what logic analyser?
[15:36] <Upu> Salaea 8 one
[15:36] <Randomskk> nice
[15:36] <Randomskk> they're great
[15:36] <daveake> All the cool kids have those :)
[15:37] <Upu> lovely bit of engineering
[15:37] <Randomskk> the r1s would break horribly if you connected the black wire to ground
[15:37] <Randomskk> as in, die instantly
[15:38] <Randomskk> that was fun
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[15:39] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[15:39] <Lunar_Lander> and happy Boxing Day
[15:39] <nigelvh> You mean "Happy get back to work day"?
[15:39] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[15:40] <Randomskk> nigelvh: you don't get boxing day off? :P
[15:40] <Upu> thats tomorrow
[15:40] <nigelvh> Nope. In america we don't have that one.
[15:40] <nigelvh> Though, I scheduled vacation time to take all of next week off.
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[15:42] <nosebleedkt> hi all
[15:42] <nosebleedkt> !
[15:42] <nigelvh> Yo
[15:44] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[15:45] <Lunar_Lander> and once again š±»¬ §Á¹ÃĿͳµ½½±
[15:45] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[15:45] <nigelvh> YAY GARBLED TEXT!
[15:45] <Lunar_Lander> means Merry Christmas in Greek
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[15:48] <Randomskk> nigelvh: no excuse to not have working unicode in 2012
[15:48] <Randomskk> get it sorted :P
[15:48] <nigelvh> I'm not willing to put in the effort to convert the irssi source to support unicode.
[15:49] <Randomskk> irssi supports unicode out of the box
[15:49] <lz1dev> irssi supports unicode
[15:49] <nigelvh> Well it doesn't seem to show up right here.
[15:49] <Randomskk> so it's almost certainly your terminal emulator or perhaps screen mux program
[15:49] <Randomskk> or desktop
[15:49] <nigelvh> something then
[15:49] <lz1dev> nigelvh: /set recode
[15:49] <Randomskk> none of which are hard to get right... use screen -U or set it in .screenrc
[15:50] <Randomskk> then you can see such fantastical glyphs as 💩
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[15:50] <lz1dev> »ambda
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[15:52] <nosebleedkt> Hi
[15:52] <nosebleedkt> !
[15:53] <nosebleedkt> I see many people start to put Lipos instead of lithium energizer
[15:53] <nosebleedkt> is it so bad to put a Lipo ?
[15:53] <Randomskk> they work okay in my experience
[15:53] <Randomskk> not as much energy density as lithium energizers
[15:53] <Randomskk> but they're not bad
[15:53] <Upu> and they stop at -20
[15:54] <Randomskk> that's not true
[15:54] <Randomskk> they don't charge well in the cold
[15:54] <Randomskk> but they operate fine
[15:54] <Upu> I thought they didn't work below -20 ?
[15:54] <Randomskk> wombat's got down to -43C and was fine
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[15:54] <Upu> oh didn't know that
[15:54] <Randomskk> and not just briefly, it was sub-20 for aaages
[15:54] <Upu> interesting to know
[15:54] <Randomskk> yea
[15:54] <nigelvh> Alright, restarted screen, see if that works.
[15:54] <Randomskk> I wasn't entirely sure if it would work
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[15:54] <Randomskk> nigelvh: might need to use -U on screen or something. but anyway »
[15:55] <Randomskk> Upu: but also I don't believe it's the only one
[15:55] <Randomskk> having said that, most payloads tend to stay well above 20C
[15:55] <Randomskk> wombat had... minimal insulation
[15:55] <Randomskk> really more "padding"
[15:56] <daveake> Buzz1 got down to -53 outside and inside (well, there really wasn't much difference ....) and worked fine
[15:56] <Upu> LipO ?
[15:56] <daveake> No, AAA energizer lithiums
[15:57] <daveake> there was a lipo for the camera and that kept running
[15:57] <Upu> ok very interesting to know thx
[15:57] <gonzo_mob> Randomskk. any chance of approving a flight doc
[15:57] <daveake> oh, no, sorry, I removed that :)
[15:57] <Randomskk> gonzo_mob: sure
[15:57] <daveake> Wired the camera from the AAAs. Sorry.
[15:58] <gonzo_mob> bonzo3
[15:58] <nosebleedkt> ,
[15:58] <Randomskk> daveake: yea the lithium primaries definitely work fine
[15:58] <Randomskk> gonzo_mob: got the doc ID?
[15:58] <gonzo_mob> have to get the laptop out and look
[15:58] <Randomskk> don't bother
[15:59] <Randomskk> I'll find it
[15:59] <gonzo_mob> ta
[15:59] <nosebleedkt> well, i really need to know..from my mission i see that there is much cold only in troposphere.. where the capsule does spent around 1 hour
[15:59] <gonzo_mob> somehow i habe managed tl create 4psyload docs
[16:00] <nosebleedkt> so the electronics dont stay much time in cold
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[16:00] <Randomskk> gonzo_mob: approved bonzo3
[16:00] <gonzo_mob> ta
[16:01] <gonzo_mob> hope to launch tomorrow
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[16:01] <nigelvh> ½ There we go.
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[16:01] <Randomskk> nice
[16:02] <nigelvh> Turns out you have to restart irssi after changing the term_charset setting.
[16:03] <nosebleedkt> Randomskk, can you tell me in what conditions you had the lipo running fine ?
[16:04] <nigelvh> I've had internal payload temps of -10 and the lipos were working fine.
[16:04] <Randomskk> nosebleedkt: during a HAB flight
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[16:04] <Randomskk> -43C
[16:04] <nosebleedkt> oh
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[16:04] <nigelvh> -43 internal or external?
[16:04] <Randomskk> internal
[16:04] <nosebleedkt> oh
[16:04] <nigelvh> You had very little insulation then.
[16:04] <Randomskk> correct
[16:05] <nosebleedkt> most people would say now its impossible to run lipos in that cold
[16:05] <Randomskk> apparently not
[16:05] <nigelvh> Easy enough to test with some dry ice.
[16:13] <griffonbot> Received email: Mike Willis "RE: [UKHAS] Re: ddmm.mmmm to dd.dddd online or with excel"
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[16:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hi
[16:16] <number10> hi
[16:16] <daveake> hi
[16:17] <number10> will it be raining tomorrow for you gonzo_mob ?
[16:17] <OZ1SKY_Brian> What would be a cheap´n´easy why of making a simple tracker?
[16:20] <daveake> Arduino Mini Pro + NTX2 + Ublox
[16:20] <number10> probably to use one of those arduino boards
[16:22] <x-f> OZ1SKY_Brian, TX or RX?
[16:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Im all new to this, what do i need to get it working, i mean a chip programmer etc?
[16:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> TX
[16:23] <OZ1SKY_Brian> for a ballon
[16:24] <Randomskk> maybe check the wiki
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[16:26] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Randomskk ok yes didnt think about that, i need a failsafe step by step guide LOL
[16:26] <x-f> if you get a regular Arduino board, then it has a USB port, and you don't need anything else to program it, but of course it won't be as small and light as Mini Pro / Pro etc
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[16:27] <OZ1SKY_Brian> What about the pricerange vs those other trackers?
[16:28] <Lunar_Lander> hi OZ1SKY_Brian
[16:28] <Lunar_Lander> Glædelig jul!
[16:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Lunar_Lander Hi Froehliche Weinachten :-)
[16:30] <Lunar_Lander> danke :)
[16:31] <Lunar_Lander> OZ1SKY_Brian, did you see the movie on Tycho Deep Space 1?
[16:31] <OZ1SKY_Brian> no i havent done much else than christmas the last days
[16:34] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Thanks will look into arduino ntx2 and ublox
[16:37] <number10> OZ1SKY_Brian: http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2
[16:38] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[16:38] <Lunar_Lander> OZ1SKY_Brian, so you will make a balloon after all? :P
[16:38] <number10> I havent used one but I am sure programming guides are online
[16:39] <OZ1SKY_Brian> number10 thanks
[16:40] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Lunar_Lander im thinking about joining up with trevor and help him with a radio tracker.
[16:40] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[16:40] <Lunar_Lander> btw are trevor and brian common Danish names?
[16:41] <OZ1SKY_Brian> well brian is more than trevor, but trevor is also from the uk, just live in denmark :-)
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[16:42] <Lunar_Lander> ah :)
[16:43] <fsphil> aww, gerry anderson has died
[16:43] <Lunar_Lander> OZ1SKY_Brian, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCFIGf_0US8
[16:46] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Thanks. will be reading up on the links and wiki´s i got. see if i can put something together. back later
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[17:02] <Lunar_Lander> hi Dan-K2VOL
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[17:11] <griffonbot> Received email: Trevor Cousins "[UKHAS] Could I borrow a radio tracker?"
[17:11] <fsphil> hehe
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[17:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Gess trevor havent seen my email yet :-)
[17:17] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Where do you guys buy ntx2 and boards from?
[17:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ah wait, just got to that part in the wiki
[17:20] <daveake> From Upu's store
[17:20] <daveake> Get the Arduino from Sparkfun or Proto-Pic
[17:20] <OZ1SKY_Brian> thanks daveake
[17:21] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[17:22] <Lunar_Lander> I like how someone on the mailing list asked if Anthony's store is "seriously"
[17:22] <fsphil> sherly not
[17:24] <arko> waking up sucks >_<
[17:25] <nigelvh> I got up at 5:45 this morning
[17:25] <fsphil> you're actually still asleep arko
[17:25] <arko> :O
[17:25] <arko> dude! irc in my dream!
[17:26] <nigelvh> Now you're dreaming that you're dreaming that you're doing IRC. It's all inception in your head.
[17:26] <fsphil> I wonder if the Matrix ever has netsplits
[17:27] <nigelvh> Probably, it just never announces them.
[17:27] <nigelvh> Anyone near you is on the same server anyway.
[17:28] <Lunar_Lander> and then the door opens and James May comes in
[17:28] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[17:29] <arko> does the uk have like 10 actors that are in everything?
[17:29] <arko> I know germany has like 2
[17:30] <arko> one of them being Franka Potente
[17:30] <Lunar_Lander> you mean in the UK like Jeremy Clarkson, Richard Hammond, James May, Rowan Atkinson and so on?
[17:30] <arko> yeah
[17:30] <Lunar_Lander> xD arko yea
[17:30] <arko> they have like 20 tv shows on the side
[17:30] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[17:30] <arko> haha
[17:30] <Lunar_Lander> Clarkson and May were on Graham Norton's Show at the beginning of the month
[17:30] <Lunar_Lander> oh and
[17:30] <Lunar_Lander> BRIAN COX
[17:30] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[17:30] <arko> oh him
[17:31] <Lunar_Lander> and Richard Dawkins of course
[17:31] <arko> he's like the Neil Degrasse Tyson of europe
[17:31] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[17:34] <fsphil> you can't compare dawkins and tyson
[17:34] <fsphil> tyson is cool
[17:35] <arko> nah
[17:36] <arko> they are celebrities anyway
[17:36] <fsphil> the UK version of tyson was probably patrick moore
[17:36] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil, he compared tyson and cox
[17:36] <fsphil> as they where both astronomers
[17:37] <arko> cox probably publishes more
[17:37] <fsphil> he's not an astronomer though
[17:37] <arko> he's a particle physist right?
[17:37] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[17:40] <arko> im just happy people like these people
[17:46] <nigelvh> We need more NdGT's around. He's a smart, funny, and insightful dude.
[17:47] <fsphil> he's not that well known here
[17:48] <nigelvh> A travesty indeed.
[17:48] <fsphil> indeed. maybe the new Cosmos series will be popular
[17:49] <arko> lets hope they get that done soon
[17:49] <arko> but i totally agree nigelvh
[17:49] <arko> he's good at inspiring and making you think
[17:49] <arko> funny
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[18:07] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[18:07] <Lunar_Lander> he's the angry Nintendo Nerd
[18:07] <Lunar_Lander> he's the angry Atari Sega Nerd
[18:07] <Lunar_Lander> he's the Angry Video Game Nerd
[18:07] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[18:07] <fsphil> k
[18:08] <nigelvh> I'm not sure I get it either...
[18:08] <Lunar_Lander> you don't know that guy?
[18:08] <fsphil> how can you tell?
[18:08] <Lunar_Lander> cause you don't know the intro
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[19:11] <forrestv> what's that common mistake people make while implementing kalman filters... confusing two matrices's time indices or something...
[19:12] <Randomskk> updating in place and therefore using updated values when you should have used old values? idk, there are many possible mistakes
[19:13] <Laurenceb_> hehe
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[19:23] <SpeedEvil> forrestv: the fundamental one is not understanding the maths.
[19:24] <SpeedEvil> which, I suspect is not a useful answer.
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[19:35] <griffonbot> Received email: navrac "[UKHAS] Re: ANU project launch 26/12"
[19:38] <Navrac_play> evening jcoxon
[19:38] <jcoxon> evening
[19:39] <Navrac_play> weathers been rubbish here - looks like no wind free days for a week
[19:40] <Navrac_play> so OZZIE7 is grounded for a while - probably just as well, I need to spend more time stabilising the dominoex
[19:40] <Upu> yeah its not nice out there
[19:40] <Upu> very windy
[19:41] <Lunar_Lander> hi anthony
[19:41] <Upu> evening Lunar
[19:41] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
[19:41] <Navrac_play> the wind apparently drops for a couple of hours in the afternoon to 6mph - but the forecast becomes rain at that time
[19:42] <Upu> I'm trying to think of a in depth response to that question but all I can come up with is "ok"
[19:42] <Navrac_play> ah boxing day effect...
[19:42] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
[19:42] <Lunar_Lander> yea what did you get for xmas?
[19:42] <Upu> Whisky, Logic Analyser and slippers so not a bad one :)
[19:42] <Upu> what did you get ?
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[19:43] <Lunar_Lander> got the back to the future DVD box, the german version of "wonders of the solar system" which is without brian cox and 50 euros
[19:44] <Upu> 50 euro an no Brian ?
[19:44] <Upu> essh
[19:44] <Lunar_Lander> for that I ordered from the BBC the "Wonders Collection" which is Wonders of the Solar System and Wonders of the Universe
[19:44] <arko> nice!
[19:44] <Lunar_Lander> and the Blackadder Ultimate Collection
[19:44] <arko> shiny
[19:44] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:44] <Upu> thats more like it
[19:44] <Lunar_Lander> I remember Blackadder II was on German TV
[19:45] <Lunar_Lander> but our mom said back then that we shouldn't watch it
[19:45] <Lunar_Lander> because they talked about sex and stuff
[19:45] <Upu> I think "may the yuletide log fall off your fire and burn your house down" is a fantastic line
[19:45] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:45] <Upu> and the last episode where they go over the top is just genius
[19:46] <Lunar_Lander> I heard like that they like cut to a poppy field?
[19:46] <Upu> yeah its really well done
[19:46] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:46] <SpeedEvil> yes
[19:46] <Upu> very moving
[19:46] <Lunar_Lander> I can imagine
[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> I read that Blackadder V was supposed to be some sort of garage band in the 1960s
[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> but someone said it is good that they didn't make that
[19:47] <Navrac_play> upu - I've done some serious dominoex testing - you get about about a 5db advantage compared to RTTY at the same rate
[19:47] <Upu> if we can keep it stable ?
[19:48] <Navrac_play> mines pretty stable - its fine on temperature stability but is a bit supply sensitive.
[19:48] <Upu> excellent would be interested in trying to receive that
[19:49] <Navrac_play> I'm pulling the rfm crystal directly on this version - the biggest problem is the die temperature effects the internal xtal capacitors on the RFM - so as long as you keep txing its fine
[19:50] <Upu> work out which ones they are we can replace them with some better temp range ones ?
[19:50] <Navrac_play> I stuck up a dropbox link with the received audio I got at the minimum working level - gives an idea of the strength compared to rtty
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[19:51] <Upu> I missed the link
[19:51] <Navrac_play> with an external xtal its a lot easier, was just trying to do it with minimum components
[19:51] <Upu> well I'll sit down with you next week and make a PCB up
[19:51] <Navrac_play> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/8583837/domino.mp3
[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, I laughed when you were asked on the mailing list if your shop is "seriously"
[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:52] <Upu> I think it was a language thing :)
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[19:53] <Lunar_Lander> yeah I don't mean the wrong word, but the overall question if like the only shop for HAB can be trusted
[19:53] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:53] <Navrac_play> its off a conference board, 2 caps, 1 varicap, 1 coil
[19:54] <Upu> could you get away with TXing at 8dB ?
[19:54] <Navrac_play> oh and a pot
[19:54] <Navrac_play> easily - but it only saves 6-8mA
[19:54] <Upu> thats 5% increase :)
[19:54] <Navrac_play> could probably get away with 5db
[19:55] <Upu> if you're doing extreme power saving dropping to the lower powers would really help
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[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, can we do The Ultimate Science HAB PCB?
[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> aka TUSHABPCB
[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:59] <Upu> be my guest Lunar, I think it would be very large
[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:00] <arko> we've been discussing a proper science board for habs
[20:01] <arko> you could do some awesome stuff for like $200
[20:01] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:01] <arko> Temp, Humidity, pressure, radiation, Ozone, co2, methane, etc
[20:02] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:03] <Lunar_Lander> that sounds good
[20:03] <Lunar_Lander> but it needs to be done properly
[20:03] <Lunar_Lander> and calibrated well
[20:06] <nigelvh> The gas sensors are really hard to do. They tend to not work at cold temps, I have done the temp/humidity/pressure on a board with 16 more analog inputs available for other sensors. Not too hard.
[20:06] <SpeedEvil> methane I don't think you can meaningfully do
[20:06] <SpeedEvil> at the range needed anyway
[20:07] <Lunar_Lander> true
[20:07] <Lunar_Lander> APEX III had those I think
[20:07] <SpeedEvil> they tend to have pressure sensitivities too
[20:07] <Lunar_Lander> and they gave strange values
[20:07] <Lunar_Lander> also ozone there are different options
[20:07] <Lunar_Lander> optical, potassium-iodine and so on
[20:08] <nigelvh> Yeah, I tried to run an ozone sensor once, didn't work too well.
[20:08] <nigelvh> Then again that was on a budget.
[20:09] <Lunar_Lander> and you got stuff like atmospheric conductivity and stuff
[20:09] <SpeedEvil> I want a nice co2 sensor
[20:09] <SpeedEvil> for expirometry
[20:09] <nigelvh> Atmospheric conductivity is similarly difficult with needing very sensitive amps, and very well insulated electrodes.
[20:10] <SpeedEvil> chest band to measure tidal volume, with a tube to measure expired cp2
[20:10] <SpeedEvil> co2
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[20:11] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:11] <Lunar_Lander> nigelvh, you are at university?
[20:11] <nigelvh> Recall that I volunteer with the balloons class at my local university yes, but I'm not attending university.
[20:11] <Lunar_Lander> sorry yea
[20:12] <Lunar_Lander> so you don't have access to Review of Scientific Instruments
[20:12] <nigelvh> No
[20:12] <Lunar_Lander> there is a man from Reading University called Giles Harrison
[20:12] <Lunar_Lander> he did some work on new balloon-sonde sensors
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[20:25] <Upu> oh thats interesting they are launching the BLAST telescope again
[20:27] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[20:27] <fsphil> sadly too far to track ;)
[20:27] <Lunar_Lander> ohh that reminds me of the movie they made about it
[20:28] <Lunar_Lander> LOL
[20:28] <Lunar_Lander> on the educational version of the movie
[20:28] <Lunar_Lander> they say on Disk 2
[20:28] <Lunar_Lander> "56-Minute Classroom Version
[20:28] <Lunar_Lander> 53-Minute Classroom Version
[20:28] <Lunar_Lander> (Religion References Removed)"
[20:31] <jcoxon> so i got one of these for christmas:
[20:31] <jcoxon> http://www.striiv.com/products/striiv/
[20:32] <jcoxon> not sure i plan just to do walking with it
[20:33] <jcoxon> so i've opened it up
[20:33] <jcoxon> mwhahahah
[20:33] <jcoxon> and found a CC2500
[20:33] <Upu> lol
[20:34] <jcoxon> not a feature mentioned...
[20:34] <Upu> interesting
[20:34] <Upu> wonder if it can send data to something else
[20:34] <jcoxon> oh wait
[20:34] <jcoxon> it does mention it if you dig
[20:35] <jcoxon> i reckon this must be running linux
[20:35] <Upu> root it
[20:36] <fsphil> "Don't turn it on, take it apaaaart"
[20:36] <jcoxon> if it is linux it would be pretty cool as not a pedometer
[20:36] <jcoxon> i've found some test pins
[20:38] <Upu> serial ?
[20:38] <jcoxon> 10 pins
[20:38] <jcoxon> looks jtag
[20:39] <fsphil> jtag seems a rather complicated system
[20:41] <SpeedEvil> it is
[20:41] <nigelvh> Common on the linksys routers
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[20:45] <SP9UOB> Hi all
[20:45] <nigelvh> Howdy
[20:46] <SP9UOB> Hi, could someone aprove flight doc: 2371f8f205a658f65b7c38f194989558 please ?
[20:46] <Lunar_Lander> did anyone of you watch the BLAST! movie?
[20:46] <Upu> hey there Tomasz
[20:46] <SP9UOB> Hi Upu
[20:46] <Upu> Yes I've seen it Lunar
[20:46] <Lunar_Lander> is it good?
[20:46] <Upu> Yes quite hard to get hold of
[20:46] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:46] <Lunar_Lander> cause I just spent 23 euros on it
[20:46] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:46] <Upu> lol
[20:47] <Upu> worth watching for sure
[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> I liked how they said the movie has "some profanity"
[20:47] <fsphil> yea it does
[20:47] <Upu> its in context
[20:48] <Upu> if your X million pound telescope just smashed into the back of a truck
[20:48] <Upu> "bugger" just wouldn't cut it
[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> I think I saw the trailer
[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> and one of the guys was angry about "I'm stuck at the bottom of the world and won't be home for xmas"
[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> or so
[20:51] <jcoxon> SP9UOB, when you launching?
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[20:51] <SP9UOB> jcoxon: saturday
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[20:52] <Upu> did you post to the list ?
[20:53] <Laurenceb_> arg
[20:53] <Laurenceb_> ln /usr/local/share/octave/site-m/xmltoolbox /home/laurence/Documents/octave_xmltoolbox
[20:53] <Laurenceb_> why wont that work?
[20:53] <Upu> oh is this the one that was meant to go on the 22nd ?
[20:53] <SP9UOB> Upu: yes, last week, but local ATC dont put NOTAM at time
[20:54] <Upu> ok I'll stick that on spacenear.us
[20:54] <Upu> Where in Poland ?
[20:54] <SP9UOB> Upu: Gliwice *(Southern Poland)
[20:55] <SP9UOB> Upu: 437.600 MHz 50 baud, 8n1.5, shift 425 Hz
[20:56] <Upu> all yours
[20:56] <Upu> I'll set the live prediction on Sat good luck
[20:56] <SP9UOB> D7016/12 - BALLOON WILL BE LAUNCHED (PROBE OF ATMOSPHERE) FM PSN (WGS-84): 501702N 0183922E - GLIWICE TIME OF LAUNCH: 1000 DIAMETER: 0.5-2M COLOUR: CREAMY CEILING UP TO 30000M AMSL RADIOSONDE FREQ: 437.600MHZ RATE OF CLIMB: 1M/S FIR BOUNDRY CROSSING IS POSSIBLE. GND - 30000M AMSL, 29 DEC 10:00 2012 UNTIL 29 DEC 19:00 2012. CREATED: 21 DEC 11:30 2012
[20:57] <Upu> 1m/s ?
[20:57] <Upu> going for a float there ?
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> colour: creamy
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
[20:57] <fsphil> creamy ceiling?
[20:57] <Upu> lol
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> ROFL
[20:57] <SP9UOB> upu: small (100g) kaysam - just to check how altitude reach
[20:58] <Lunar_Lander> the effect is enhanced as I am just watching the angry video game nerd :D
[20:58] <Upu> oh ok be interested to see how they do vs the Hwoyees
[20:59] <SP9UOB> Upu: its 10 year old (or even older) balloon :-)
[21:00] <Upu> its not getting to 30km :)
[21:00] <fsphil> haha
[21:00] <SP9UOB> Upu: i know :-)
[21:00] <fsphil> has it discoloured at all SP9UOB?
[21:00] <Upu> has it gone this colour :
[21:00] <Upu> (lunar link that balloon pls)
[21:01] <SP9UOB> fsphil: http://sp9uob.verox.pl/balon/kaysam.jpg
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[21:01] <fsphil> hah, that's tiny. colour looks fine too
[21:01] <SP9UOB> fsphil: it has solid creany colour
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[21:02] <fsphil> same as the new ones I have
[21:02] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, one moment
[21:02] <jcoxon> this device as a SirfAtlas 5
[21:02] <jcoxon> !!1
[21:02] <Upu> GPS ?
[21:03] <Upu> hacky time :)
[21:03] <fsphil> that's to prove your not just shaking it
[21:03] <Upu> and lo... out of a bad christmas present hacky was borne....
[21:03] <Lunar_Lander> http://s.gullipics.com/image/n/o/t/5yvo54-ki44z3-we8x/IMG6354.jpeg
[21:03] <jcoxon> m430 also
[21:03] <Upu> like this SP9UOB ------/\
[21:05] <SP9UOB> Upu: no, it has solid colour very similar to new kaymonts
[21:05] <Upu> ok
[21:05] <SP9UOB> color or colour ?
[21:05] <Upu> colour for us brits, color for the Yanks
[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> but I think my balloon is COOL
[21:06] <nigelvh> That's right. You and your spelling things differently!
[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:06] <SP9UOB> so any of them for Poles ;-)
[21:06] <Upu> kolor for you :)
[21:06] <SP9UOB> right Kolor
[21:07] <Lunar_Lander> SP9UOB, do you know the angry video game nerd?
[21:08] <SP9UOB> Lunar_Lander: no i dont
[21:08] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:08] <Lunar_Lander> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJEXpsDB2XQ
[21:09] <SP9UOB> Lunar_Lander: look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-CgeFsIdVE
[21:11] <Lunar_Lander> xD is that like a hommage to F.E.A.R.?
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> xD police
[21:13] <SP9UOB> Lunar_Lander: hommage to F.E.A.R.? sorry i dont understand - google translator too ;-)
[21:14] <Lunar_Lander> do you know the game F.E.A.R.?
[21:14] <Lunar_Lander> its like about a girl which appears and then hell breaks loose
[21:14] <Lunar_Lander> or so
[21:14] <SP9UOB> Lunar_Lander: just one od Polish freaks ;-)
[21:14] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:15] <jcoxon> bbiab
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[21:15] <SP9UOB> Lunar_Lander: its Samara Morgan form Thr Ring ;-)
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:17] <SP9UOB> Lunar_Lander: i dont play games at all, when i was 6 my father brought ZX-81 but we dont have a datacorder yet. So only thing to do was programming :)
[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:20] <SP9UOB> it was a looong time ago :-)
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[21:31] <Lunar_Lander> SP9UOB, yea
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[21:33] <SP9UOB> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=d63267d00dee2ae9bff1aa495f4372355382bf40 looks nice :-)
[21:34] <Upu> no plans to recover then ? :)
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[21:35] <SP9UOB> Upu: no, just testing an idea :-) http://sp9uob.verox.pl/balon/sputnik2.jpg
[21:35] <Upu> yeah saw the pics, I approve of the design :)
[21:35] <SP9UOB> lol
[21:35] <Upu> just needs more pink now
[21:35] <Upu> and you're good
[21:35] <SP9UOB> upu: ok :-)
[21:36] <SP9UOB> also, old ballon may burst @5000m :-)
[21:36] <SP9UOB> then i try to recover
[21:37] <arko> woah nice
[21:38] <arko> is that under 50g?
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[21:38] <SP9UOB> arko: 50 grams
[21:38] <arko> nice
[21:38] <SP9UOB> lassen GPS i heavy - 18 gram
[21:38] <arko> are you going to drive to Romania?
[21:38] <Upu> *cough* http://ava.upuaut.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/IMG_1285.jpg :)
[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:39] <Upu> good weight :)
[21:39] <SP9UOB> Upu: sooo... pink ;-) My daughter likes pink ;-)
[21:40] <arko> damn that's colorful
[21:40] <Upu> Daler-Rowney System 3 Fluorescent Pink
[21:40] <Upu> :)
[21:40] <Upu> as recommended by daveake
[21:41] <Upu> arko http://ava.upuaut.net/?p=400
[21:41] <Upu> currently residing in Wissant in France I believe
[21:41] <daveake> Yes, contains no solvents known to dissolve polystyrene :)
[21:41] <Upu> Was recovered by a french lady
[21:41] <arko> hah! very cool
[21:41] <Upu> washed up on the beach
[21:41] <daveake> She's holding it ransom?
[21:41] <arko> no way!
[21:41] <SP9UOB> upu: i just... love Your balls ;-)
[21:42] <Upu> well she said she said she'd send pics but not not seen anything
[21:42] <Upu> haha
[21:42] <daveake> They're a pink imitation of mine :p
[21:42] <arko> some french lady loves your balls too
[21:42] <Upu> F6AGV loves daveake pink balls
[21:42] <SP9UOB> LOL
[21:42] <Upu> * for anyone not getting the joke run F6AGV's website through google translate
[21:43] <Upu> http://alerte-radiosondes.blogspot.co.uk/
[21:44] <Upu> which is probably more upto date than the mailing list tbh :)
[21:45] <Lunar_Lander> ROFL
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[21:51] <SP9UOB> ok, good night all
[21:51] <Upu> night
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[22:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 'gn all
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[22:21] <lz1dev> who here has exprience with coachdb ?
[22:22] <daveake> couchdb? You need the habhub guys :)
[22:26] <mattbrejza> you could always try asking here, but #habhub is the place to ask
[22:26] <mattbrejza> ive been playing about recently so might be of limited hlep
[22:27] <Randomskk> #habhub would be a good place
[22:28] <lz1dev> roger
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[23:50] <Lunar_Lander> hi McLane
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