highaltitude.log.20121216

[00:11] <Laurenceb_> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/18172_trj001.gif
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[00:18] <Laurenceb_> no hams up there
[00:21] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[00:24] <x-f> i'm hearing a meteosonde for the first time :)
[00:24] <x-f> 18.7 km altitude -71.2C
[00:24] <Lunar_Lander> COOL!
[00:24] <Lunar_Lander> brrrr
[00:24] <x-f> yeah
[00:24] <x-f> it has a very powerful transmitter
[00:25] <Lunar_Lander> from where is it?
[00:25] <x-f> the signal goes through my house, i don't have a direct LOS
[00:26] <x-f> it's from our met-office
[00:27] <x-f> it doesn't have a GPS tho, i'm guessing its path from CUSF predictor
[00:28] <x-f> 2:30 am here, but was worth it at least once :)
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[00:35] <PE2G> x-f, can you decode the meteosonde?
[00:36] <x-f> PE2G, yes, using SondeMonitor
[00:36] <x-f> PE2G, http://www.coaa.co.uk/sondemonitor.htm
[00:37] <PE2G> Ok, why doesn't it have GPS positioning?
[00:37] <x-f> 22 km -77.5, coming down now
[00:37] <x-f> i don't really know, guess it's cheaper
[00:38] <x-f> or not needed
[00:38] <Lunar_Lander> can sondemonitor read out the GPS?
[00:38] <PE2G> Yes
[00:38] <Lunar_Lander> as I read the Vaisala GPS has some sort of Doppler mechanism that can only be read by the DigiCora ground receiver
[00:38] <Lunar_Lander> or so
[00:38] <x-f> i'm new to this
[00:40] <PE2G> You should arm GPS, instructions are in the help section
[00:41] <x-f> PE2G, thanks, i'll RTFM next time, it's not decoding anymore now
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[00:42] <PE2G> On which freq was it?
[00:42] <x-f> 403 MHz
[00:43] <Lunar_Lander> yea sounds like Vaisala
[00:43] <x-f> it is
[00:45] <PE2G> I didn't know 403 is used in GB. Here are known freqs (French site: http://www.radiosonde.eu/RS02/RS02J.html )
[00:45] <x-f> PE2G, i'm in Latvia
[00:46] <x-f> here's how it looked - http://i.imgur.com/RbfKM.png
[00:51] <x-f> bedtime finally
[00:51] <x-f> good night and good luck with the pico tracking
[00:52] <Lunar_Lander> good night x-f
[00:52] <Lunar_Lander> thanks for the screenshot of sondemonitor
[00:52] <Lunar_Lander> looks interesting
[00:54] <PE2G> Using SondeMonitor, I've recovered quite a few meteosondes, even today :-) http://home.deds.nl/~pe2g/
[00:58] <fsphil> nice
[00:59] <fsphil> I've not tracked a sonde in ages
[00:59] <fsphil> nice, xaben still running
[01:03] <PE2G> I'm off to bed now, cheers
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[01:30] <fsphil> hmmm. gps glitch?
[01:31] <fsphil> yep
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[01:48] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil, I wonder how long it will last
[01:49] <Lunar_Lander> battery and balloon wise
[01:49] <fsphil> normally the balloon survives until sunrise
[01:50] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[01:50] <Lunar_Lander> do you think it'll make it to norway?
[01:50] <craag> Battery-wise I think it was estimated at 47 hours..
[01:50] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[01:50] <Lunar_Lander> so in either way it won't travel around the north of Scandinavia and land in Finland
[01:50] <craag> Losing decodes on globaltuner now.
[01:50] <Lunar_Lander> like hysplit says
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[02:06] <OZ1SKY_Zzz> Got nothing here, too much west
[02:10] <OZ1SKY_Zzz> we´ll see when oz5agj wakes up, i have informed him on msg.
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[02:16] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[02:16] <Lunar_Lander> good night!
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[02:38] <KT5TK> 31 Listeners Needed! For N0D 18.100 MHz
[02:38] <KT5TK> PSK31
[02:39] <KT5TK> Please alert Louisiana and East of it
[02:39] <KT5TK> N0D-11 on APRS.fi
[02:41] <KT5TK> Crossing Mississipi soon
[02:42] <KT5TK> Please use DL-FLDIGI for PSK31
[02:46] <craag> Losing uXABEN now.
[02:46] <craag> Still up though!
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[02:58] <craag> Gone from globaltuner. Should be in range of oz5agj any moment, but he'll probably be sleeping at this hour like a normal person.
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[04:42] <heathkid> KT5TK: I must have been sleeping... gotta link to a tracking site?
[04:42] <heathkid> If it's down near Louisiana not sure I can get it here
[05:00] <KT5TK> http://aprs.fi/#!mt=hybrid&z=15&call=a%2FN0D%2Ca%2FN0D-11&timerange=86400
[05:01] <KT5TK> http://kt5tk.tkrahn.com/blt32.html
[05:04] <KT5TK> very strange flight path. Seems to float at 80kft though
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[05:39] <KT5TK> I'll apply for the longest float in the same grid square ;)
[05:39] <KT5TK> Get out of this Mississippi wormhole!
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[06:37] Nick change: OZ1SKY_Zzz -> OZ1SKY
[06:37] Nick change: OZ1SKY -> OZ1SKY_Brian
[06:37] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Morning
[06:37] <OZ1SKY_Brian> nothing heard here
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[06:53] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Just got a SMS from OZ5AGJ, he will be at the radio soon
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[07:03] <OZ1SKY_Brian> someone removed uXABAN in active flights?
[07:06] <OZ1SKY_Brian> what was the setting for uXABAN?
[07:07] <craag> 470 hx chift i think
[07:07] <craag> *shift
[07:07] <craag> then 7n1
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[07:12] <OZ1SKY_Brian> OZ5AGJ got a weak signal
[07:13] <natrium42> is it still in the air?
[07:13] <natrium42> it's coming your way, OZ1SKY_Brian
[07:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> but for god sake, why is it removed from active flights.
[07:14] <natrium42> let me see if i can fix it
[07:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> OZ5AGJ is a newcommer to this, and is not skilled in custum setup
[07:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> natrium42 please do, then he might pick it up
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[07:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> James OZ5AGJ got a weak signal
[07:18] <jcoxon> morning
[07:18] <jcoxon> looking at the logs its off active flights
[07:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> but its gone from active flights, so we are having big problems with the upload
[07:18] <jcoxon> okay
[07:18] <jcoxon> the issue is that its hte next day, teh system was designed for floating
[07:19] <jcoxon> just need someone to re-activate it
[07:19] <OZ1SKY_Brian> natrium42 is trying something
[07:19] <OZ1SKY_Brian> is there a "all payloads" that will work?
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[07:21] <jcoxon> yeah
[07:21] <jcoxon> its under SPLAT
[07:21] <OZ1SKY_Brian> i see 3 splats
[07:21] <jcoxon> the first one
[07:21] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok
[07:21] <natrium42> jcoxon, do you have the flight doc number?
[07:21] <KT5TK> N0D doesn't appear in the list either
[07:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> No only PICO is in the active flight list
[07:22] <KT5TK> Still floating
[07:22] <jcoxon> natrium42, i don;t
[07:22] <natrium42> my computer crashed
[07:22] <jcoxon> if needed we could make a new one
[07:23] <jcoxon> natrium42, !
[07:23] <natrium42> ok, chrome finally loaded
[07:23] <jcoxon> natrium42, aaf41b2f2f9f78a085849d3e648b2b95
[07:24] <natrium42> SPLAT?
[07:24] <jcoxon> natrium42, shall i update it to work longer
[07:24] <jcoxon> we just need a larger launch window
[07:24] <natrium42> that's what i was going to do
[07:24] <natrium42> end was set to 2012-12-15T23:59:59+00:00
[07:24] <natrium42> upping it
[07:25] <jcoxon> okay i'll leave it to you
[07:25] <jcoxon> same for KT5TK
[07:25] <natrium42> check now
[07:25] <OZ1SKY_Brian> got splat1
[07:25] <natrium42> awesome
[07:25] <jcoxon> splat is back in active flights
[07:26] <natrium42> changed it to just SPLAT
[07:26] <OZ1SKY_Brian> OZ5AGJ loosing signal, might be too late :-(
[07:26] <jcoxon> OZ1SKY_Brian, any data is useful
[07:26] <OZ1SKY_Brian> none
[07:26] <natrium42> jcoxon: what's the other flight doc id?
[07:26] <natrium42> or name
[07:26] <jcoxon> d29cba7b1435db4601ec255e8c1ada8b
[07:26] <jcoxon> N0D
[07:27] <natrium42> ok, updated
[07:27] <natrium42> does it work?
[07:28] <OZ1SKY_Brian> dont see it
[07:28] <natrium42> i gotta run off
[07:28] <natrium42> oh
[07:28] <OZ1SKY_Brian> its not in active flights
[07:28] <natrium42> launch is set to 2012-12-15T23:30:00+00:00
[07:28] <natrium42> did it already launch?
[07:28] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes its up
[07:30] <natrium42> nice
[07:30] <natrium42> ok, i am off, good luck!
[07:30] <OZ1SKY_Brian> i mean is up, not in active flights
[07:30] <natrium42> should be now
[07:30] <natrium42> check
[07:30] <OZ1SKY_Brian> now it is
[07:30] <OZ1SKY_Brian> :-9
[07:30] <OZ1SKY_Brian> :-)
[07:30] <natrium42> alright, later!
[07:30] <OZ1SKY_Brian> later, tnx
[07:30] <OZ1SKY_Brian> no wait
[07:30] <OZ1SKY_Brian> something is wrong
[07:31] <OZ1SKY_Brian> NOD is in NOD,uXBEN mode
[07:31] <OZ1SKY_Brian> its not the same flight
[07:31] <jcoxon> its a bug
[07:31] <OZ1SKY_Brian> And Splat lost its uXABEN mode
[07:32] <jcoxon> just chose N0D and select uXABEN
[07:32] <OZ1SKY_Brian> signal gone at OZ5AGJ now, too late :(
[07:32] <jcoxon> its a problem with dl-fldigi
[07:32] <jcoxon> noooooo
[07:34] <OZ1SKY_Brian> lesson learned, next time the active flight must be longer
[07:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> He had a good signal to start with, but we wasted too much time with the setup
[07:36] <jcoxon> keep listening for a shortwhile
[07:36] <jcoxon> it might re-appear
[07:36] <OZ1SKY_Brian> waterfall is totaly empty
[07:37] <jcoxon> shall we put it on some dx spot sites
[07:38] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ive looked for some south LA people, but none is up
[07:38] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Pico launches sat 15th"
[07:43] <OZ1SKY_Brian> I see a LA4 is online, but no answer yet
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[07:50] <OZ1SKY_Brian> LA4 tryed, i got nothing
[07:51] <jcoxon> ping x-f
[07:51] <x-f> morning, jcoxon
[07:52] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon you could try to email LA3EQm he is prob. in the right direction and have 70cm setup
[07:53] <OZ1SKY_Brian> LA3EQ that is
[07:53] Action: jcoxon has got to stop spending sunday mornings emailing hams :-D
[07:54] <jcoxon> x-f, are you in norway?
[07:54] <jcoxon> oh no
[07:54] <jcoxon> thats zyp
[07:54] <jcoxon> OZ1SKY_Brian, i'll email a few people
[07:54] <jcoxon> is it worth putting it on a dx cluster/spot system?
[07:55] <OZ1SKY_Brian> with the track in minde, i dont think so. 70cm is not very much used in Norway
[07:56] <x-f> heh, i'm too far east from Norway
[07:57] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon LOL yes use the mornings to launch insted :-)
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[08:12] <jcoxon> emails sent
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[08:17] <jcoxon> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/10284_trj001.gif
[08:17] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Thinking about making a article for the danish hamradio magasine, to make people aware of the HAB´s
[08:18] <costyn> morning
[08:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> morning costyn
[08:19] <jcoxon> OZ1SKY_Brian, perhaps you could do it just before you launch your own
[08:19] <costyn> OZ1SKY_Brian: yea would be cool to have more people on mainland europe and scandinavia, seeing how there are more (pico) floaters these days going there
[08:19] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon hehe yes i know i should do something, just dont have the time for it yet, still rebuilding my new home.
[08:20] <OZ1SKY_Brian> costyn i will try to get something in the Feb magasine, deadlike for Jan. is overdue
[08:20] <OZ1SKY_Brian> deadline
[08:21] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon did you email la3eq?
[08:21] <jcoxon> oh no
[08:21] <jcoxon> not on my list
[08:21] <jcoxon> will do now
[08:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> RR
[08:22] <jcoxon> done
[08:24] <OZ1SKY_Brian> LA3ANA will alert on the LA dx chat
[08:24] <OZ1SKY_Brian> can he put your email on it?
[08:25] <jcoxon> sure
[08:25] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok done
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[08:27] <costyn> Norway and Sweden are so huge :)
[08:27] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yep
[08:28] <costyn> but the map projection is also distorting things a bit
[08:28] <jcoxon> right time to go and recover pico
[08:28] <OZ1SKY_Brian> and not alot of people on 70cm because of all the mountains
[08:28] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon good luck
[08:28] <costyn> OZ1SKY_Brian: ok, so line of sight isn't very useful?
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[08:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Norway is pretty much 50MHz and below
[08:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> costyn sure but HABs is not that knowen/used in Norway, so unless you do satellite work, 70cm is useless
[08:30] <costyn> OZ1SKY_Brian: yea
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[08:31] <OZ1SKY_Brian> time for breakfast i gess
[08:33] <Upu> morning all
[08:33] <costyn> Upu: hiya
[08:33] <Upu> good effort though
[08:33] <number10> morning
[08:33] <Upu> see if it turns back up later on
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[08:56] <d0wnl0rd> Any news about uXABEN?
[08:58] <RocketBoy> bot that I know of - I'v just woken up
[08:59] <number10> it was heard a short while ago from denmark - but coulld not decode it in time..
[08:59] <number10> as the payload doc was only valid for one day
[09:00] <number10> signal was lost beforethey got fldigi setup
[09:01] <number10> @ about 7:36
[09:01] <RocketBoy> darn - we need some people in Norway
[09:03] <number10> RocketBoy: James emailed some people before going out to look for his pico
[09:03] <RocketBoy> he is a stout chat
[09:04] <number10> also OZ1SKY_Brian has contacted some hams in denmark
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[09:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> OZ5AGJ heard it with a good signal, but sadly it had gone in active flights, so it took some time to get it reactivated, and by that time, the signal had gone
[09:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> that was about 0757cet
[09:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> and at 0830 ich the signal was gone
[09:09] <OZ1SKY_Brian> cet
[09:13] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Im trying to find a location for a remote tuner on the west coast of Denmark. I know a person in the "esbjerg" area that have alot of contacts in the area. Will ask him to ask around.
[09:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> But what would be cheap and ideal for a remote hab rx ?
[09:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Must be standalone setup
[09:17] <number10> I suppose you could do it with one of those EZCAP dongles
[09:17] <OZ1SKY_Brian> but they need a PC ?
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[09:17] <number10> yes
[09:17] <Upu> E-mail these guys
[09:17] <Upu> http://websdr.camras.nl:8901/
[09:17] <Upu> I think the antenna is up to it
[09:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Upu LOL yes but its way below the HOR. by now
[09:19] <OZ1SKY_Brian> wonder if james got any feedback on any of the emails
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[09:19] <Rob_M0DTS> Morning all.. what was last known freq for uXaben?
[09:20] <Upu> 434.305
[09:20] <Upu> ish
[09:21] <Rob_M0DTS> ta, i ahve sea path to norway so might get a tiny bit of signal or aircraft reflection maybe..!
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[09:30] <Rob_M0DTS> i have one weak trace on 434.306 but no shift trace so nothing here.
[09:30] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Nothing heard in JO47 or JO48 at this time
[09:31] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Or JO56/57 for that matter :)
[09:31] <Rob_M0DTS> ok, you have much better chance than me Brian..hi
[09:32] <number10> looking at the tracker I see jcoxon has got a signal from his pico this morning so should be able to recover
[09:32] <Rob_M0DTS> LA5EQ is only station i know in norway nr Stavenger,, wil try drop him an email.
[09:33] <OZ1SKY_Brian> You mean LA3EQ?
[09:33] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Jan Henning?
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[09:37] <jcoxon> pico recovered
[09:37] <x-f> woo!
[09:37] <jcoxon> no balloon, on the floor
[09:37] <jcoxon> was still working, very wet!
[09:38] <jcoxon> i think pico gets prize for shortest flight
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[09:38] <LazyLeopard> Did it come un-tied or something, then?
[09:39] <jcoxon> no it didn't have enough lift
[09:39] <jcoxon> went bouncing across the landscape
[09:39] <Rob_M0DTS> sorry brian, yes LA3EQ
[09:39] <jcoxon> we think its because it cooled outside, and considering its only 1gram of lift
[09:39] <Upu> nice jcoxon :)
[09:39] <jcoxon> it doesn't take much for it to drop out
[09:39] <Upu> is the PCB wet ?
[09:40] <jcoxon> Upu, not particularly
[09:41] <Upu> cool , launching it today ? :)
[09:41] <jcoxon> nah
[09:42] <number10> well done jcoxon
[09:43] <number10> how about a christmas period launch with it?
[09:43] <Upu> right Tescos time bbl
[09:43] <number10> subject to weather and girlfriends aproval
[09:44] <jcoxon> number10, i think i'm going to properly impose a < 5km/h ground wind rule to my launches
[09:46] <fsphil> I'll be launching at the end of the year if Sir DM lets me.
[09:46] <number10> sounds like a good idea - also launching into rain clouds isnt too good
[09:47] <jcoxon> agreed
[09:47] <number10> thats good fsphil - what sort of payload?
[09:47] <number10> I will try and make another pico tracker this week
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[09:51] <jcoxon> number10, indeed
[09:51] <jcoxon> always do a snap launch
[09:51] <number10> would be great
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[09:51] <jcoxon> right time to head off
[09:51] <jcoxon> no reply from any emails
[09:52] <number10> cu
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[09:53] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Sounds good, those picos are fun, but also harder to track
[09:54] <OZ1SKY_Brian> But a morning launch would be good, so there are more people awake to track, if it goes for a long ride.
[09:54] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Hey LA3EQ is on the map!!
[09:54] <Rob_M0DTS> ah he must have got my email..hi
[09:55] <OZ1SKY_Brian> fingers x
[09:55] <OZ1SKY_Brian> did you tell him about this chat?
[09:56] <OZ1SKY_Brian> or spacenear.us/tracker as a jumpboard for the chat?
[09:56] <Rob_M0DTS> i sent him to spacenear so hopefully here..!
[09:57] <fsphil> number10: not sure yet, but probably a basic tracker
[09:57] <fsphil> aiming for a float with an old 1600g hoyeyeyeoharr
[09:57] <fsphil> howyee*
[09:58] <fsphil> hwoyee even
[10:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Rob_M0DTS did you tell him the last knowen freq 434-305ish?
[10:01] <Rob_M0DTS> yes
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[10:02] <Rob_M0DTS> prediction should be close to overhead for LA3EQ right?
[10:02] <Rob_M0DTS> aha hi Jan
[10:02] <la3eq> nothing heard yet....434.304MHz?
[10:03] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Hej Jan, velkommen til :-)
[10:03] <la3eq> tnx Brian and Rob
[10:03] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Rob_M0DTS eastern direction
[10:04] <OZ1SKY_Brian> la3eq lest knowen freq was 434.305USB, remember its vertical pol.
[10:04] <OZ1SKY_Brian> la3eq http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/10284_trj001.gif
[10:04] <la3eq> only horisental here:( is UXaben been hrd since 0200gmt?
[10:05] <OZ1SKY_Brian> la3eq oz5agj heard it around 0800cet
[10:06] <la3eq> ok.....i will try to listn....
[10:06] <Rob_M0DTS> horizontal should still work as the antenna swings about up there!
[10:06] <OZ1SKY_Brian> la3eq but it was too weak by the time we got dl-fldigi working
[10:06] <OZ1SKY_Brian> so no GPS update
[10:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Rob_M0DTS yes HOR. can work, but normaly alot weaker than on vertical. i tryed both here
[10:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> la3eq it should be somewhere in the 90-135deg range from your qth
[10:08] <Rob_M0DTS> my antenna is fixed 45deg, compromised!
[10:09] <Rob_M0DTS> so horizonatl and vertical is acceptable
[10:09] <la3eq> around 12 local it should be about the same qft as oz7igy/b :)
[10:10] <OZ1SKY_Brian> la3eq you hear that beacon all that way up there?
[10:10] <la3eq> 135degrees.
[10:10] <la3eq> yes 24/7
[10:10] <OZ1SKY_Brian> wow
[10:10] <la3eq> with QSB ofcourse
[10:10] <OZ1SKY_Brian> thats pretty damn good for that distance.
[10:10] <la3eq> if i stand on my tiptoes i almost can see Denmark ;)
[10:11] <OZ1SKY_Brian> LOL, well get on your toes and look for uxaben then :-)
[10:11] <la3eq> i copy oz7igy when if was home at oz2m when he was using multiband hf antenna on it and only 5 meter high!
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[10:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> la3eq you must have a very good setup then, thats amazing
[10:14] <la3eq> well it helps with seaside qth
[10:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> So if you dont hear uxaben, i think we can call it a day
[10:15] <Rob_M0DTS> last time i heard OZ7IGY was some 4-5 years ago on 144MHz
[10:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> la3eq LA4YGA also tryed and heard nothing
[10:15] <la3eq> i have dl-fldigi running, so if I get good decode it will automatic update server ???
[10:15] <LazyLeopard> Wonder how far its frequency might have drifted.
[10:16] <OZ1SKY_Brian> It should pass right between you guys, so i think its gone.
[10:16] <OZ1SKY_Brian> la3eq yes it should
[10:16] <OZ1SKY_Brian> la3eq and if you get some bad decodes, please drop them here
[10:16] <la3eq> you mean battery dead of has it hit the sea???'
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[10:16] <OZ1SKY_Brian> or email it to Rob or James
[10:16] <la3eq> ok
[10:16] <OZ1SKY_Brian> la3eq the sea i think
[10:17] <RocketBoy> the battery should be good for another day
[10:17] <la3eq> ok
[10:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> la3eq next time we will alert you abit earlyer :-)
[10:18] <la3eq> fine...
[10:18] <RocketBoy> it can easily drift up or down a KHz or so
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[10:18] <la3eq> i will monitor on anoughter rig with vertical GP
[10:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> la3eq good idea
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[10:20] <la3eq> now rxing with FT100 on a 144MHZ GP antenna....hmm nothing yet...
[10:20] <OZ1SKY_Brian> then i think its in the sea
[10:21] <OZ1SKY_Brian> the area have been searched pretty good by now
[10:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jo29,47,48 and nothing, it should at least cover one of them
[10:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> JO28 i mean, not 29
[10:22] <Rob_M0DTS> must have dived when the sun came up..
[10:23] <OZ1SKY_Brian> i think so
[10:23] <OZ1SKY_Brian> la3eq but very nice to see you here Jan, you have a ideal location for the tracking network
[10:24] <OZ1SKY_Brian> very good for the scandinavian radar fence :-)
[10:26] <OZ1SKY_Brian> la3eq im trying to get a remote tracker near Esbjerg, then we are pretty well coverd, then the unionjack try to invate us from above :-)
[10:26] <la3eq> :)
[10:27] <bertrik> just curious, but why would it dive when the sun comes up?
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[10:27] <la3eq> i thought the sun would warm up the baloon and it would go higher...
[10:28] <eroomde> it can be that the sun heats the balloon quite quickly relative to the surrounding air, causing it to rise
[10:28] <eroomde> the balloons are very delicate and wont take much to pop
[10:28] <eroomde> if the balloon starts to rise relative to its surroundings, then the pressure difference across the balloon skin will increase
[10:29] <eroomde> and it won't take much for that to become a failure of the balloon envelope
[10:30] <la3eq> not condom qualtily i take it ;)
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[10:32] <RocketBoy> the balloon was actually one of these http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Metallic-Silver-36-Foil-Round-Shape-Balloon-Qualatex-/320621296443?pt=UK_Home_Garden_Celebrations_Occasions_ET&hash=item4aa684bb3b
[10:32] <la3eq> wow...metal ballon.....
[10:33] <la3eq> how strong is the beacon onboard?
[10:34] <RocketBoy> 10mw
[10:34] <la3eq> ok
[10:34] <RocketBoy> 30g in weght
[10:34] <Darkside> bit lardy there RocketBoy
[10:35] <Darkside> must be that huge PIC :P
[10:35] <RocketBoy> vero
[10:35] <Rob_M0DTS> leaded solder too...hi
[10:35] <RocketBoy> bit splodges
[10:35] <RocketBoy> big
[10:36] <la3eq> tx output...is it a MMIC?
[10:36] <number10> well it was lighter than my one - total 33.4g
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[10:37] <OZ1SKY_Brian> i have to run, bye
[10:37] <Rob_M0DTS> tx probably RFM22b module
[10:37] <Rob_M0DTS> bye Brian.
[10:38] <RocketBoy> thank for your help brian
[10:39] <la3eq> at 02 gmt it was reported 4000feet....but this morning what was the last reported altitude?
[10:39] <RocketBoy> it was at a bit under 4000m at 02gmt
[10:40] <RocketBoy> they didn't get a decode of the data this morning - so we don't know
[10:41] <RocketBoy> sorry - a bit over 4000m
[10:41] <la3eq> well thats a long time ago...looks bad
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[10:43] <la3eq> is there any oughter baloons today or is (was) this the last one????
[10:43] <RocketBoy> yeah - the range is limited - but where you are should be able to hear it now if it was still up and going according to predictions - however...
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[10:44] <RocketBoy> range should be about 200km if it was still floating at the same altitude
[10:45] <la3eq> only 200km...thats not much :(
[10:48] <RocketBoy> yeah too low for long line of sight range - our latex balloons go a lot higher
[10:48] <la3eq> how about using two baloons next time....higher and safer if one is distroyed..
[10:49] <la3eq> maybe metal baloons can not expand volum egnoght to go any higher?
[10:49] <RocketBoy> ah - there is a lot to it - to get them to float - you need the whole system to be in balance
[10:50] <la3eq> i see....if too high it wil explode..
[10:50] <RocketBoy> so 2 balloons means that it might float heigher - but if one burst it would come down
[10:52] <RocketBoy> yep -its a very fine balance - meaning we have to launch with a very slow ascent rate to get them to float
[10:52] <oz2afk> hallo from oz2afk
[10:52] <Upu> hi there oz2afk
[10:53] <oz2afk> hi not good for english
[10:53] <Upu> no problems
[10:53] <oz2afk> oki
[10:54] <oz2afk> .
[10:54] <la3eq> Isa Nanu baloon activ now??
[10:55] <oz2afk> follows balloon to Denmark
[10:55] <Upu> negative la3eq
[10:55] <Upu> uXABEN *may* still be up but nothing heard
[10:56] <oz2afk> no signal at 434,300
[10:56] <Upu> try 434.305
[10:56] <la3eq> maps shows it at 1000meters....is map not up to date???
[10:56] <Upu> la3eq that was last received postition see time = 2012-12-15 18:29:10
[10:56] <la3eq> ok..thanks info
[10:57] <Upu> oh you're in Norway
[10:57] <Upu> super have a scan round 434.295-434.310
[10:58] <Upu> is your antenna only 144Mhz ?
[10:58] <la3eq> no i also have a 17 el yagi with preamp
[10:59] <Upu> what frequency is the Yagi ?
[11:01] <la3eq> 432MHz
[11:02] <la3eq> not shure how good it is on 434MHz
[11:03] <la3eq> but nothing heard here.....will listen in from time to time just in case....how often do you send up balloons? every weekend??
[11:03] <LazyLeopard> Tricky bit will be finding RTTY somewhere the beacon might have drifted with a yagi that'll need to point at it... ;)
[11:05] <Upu> should be fine on 434
[11:05] <Upu> swing it south and have a listen
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[11:05] <la3eq> i 've been scannig sw to se and from 434.2 to 434.4 but nil :(
[11:10] <LazyLeopard> Probably in the sea, then. :/ Chances are its frequency won't have drifted more than 0.02MHz from 434.300. Guess it might have swung north?
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[11:28] <JFS1> Any news beyond what's on the google groups site?
[11:29] <x-f> JFS1, was last heard around 8 GMT, nothing since
[11:30] <x-f> could not be decoded then, but it was north of Denmark most likely
[11:30] <JFS1> Ta - I suppose people have already tried contacting ham radio operators in Stavanger and Bergen?
[11:31] <x-f> yup
[11:32] <JFS1> Guess Sunday morning isn't the easiest time to get hold of people.
[11:32] <x-f> la3eq is from Norway, but he's got no signal
[11:32] <x-f> you can see him on spacenearus map
[11:32] <joph> link?
[11:32] <x-f> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[11:33] <x-f> therefore it is also possible that pico is in the water by now :/
[11:37] <joph> is it floatable?
[11:37] <joph> maybe someone finds it in 5 years ;)
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[11:50] <jcoxon> any news?
[11:51] <fsphil> not a peep
[11:52] <fsphil> on the plus side, the world appears to exist. so swings and roundabouts
[11:52] <jcoxon> oh dear
[11:53] <eroomde> oh was it mayan thingamie recently?
[11:54] <jcoxon> on that note eroomde we should focus on N0D
[11:54] <eroomde> N0D?
[11:55] <jcoxon> http://www.w5acm.net/b32.html
[11:55] <jcoxon> KT5TKs launch is in the air
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[11:57] <eroomde> i am quite lost
[11:57] <fsphil> N0D hasn't shown up on spacenear for a while
[11:57] <fsphil> last contact was 11 hours ago
[11:58] <jcoxon> fsphil, i'm going GT searching
[11:58] <jcoxon> http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=11&call=a%2FN0D-11&timerange=3600
[12:01] <fsphil> aah it lives!
[12:02] <jcoxon> this might break spacenear.us
[12:03] <fsphil> nope, that lives too :)
[12:03] <fsphil> I guess the psk module is out of range or out of batteries
[12:04] <Rob_M0DTS> where is N0D info?
[12:04] <Rob_M0DTS> sri its above
[12:04] <jcoxon> http://kt5tk.tkrahn.com/blt32.html
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[12:06] <eroomde> watching bbc1. what the hell is that on andrew neil's head
[12:07] <chrisg7ogx> someone's thrown it on from a distance lol
[12:09] <jcoxon> ping KT5TK
[12:09] <eroomde> quite extraordinary
[12:09] <fsphil> the house of commons should just put a boxing ring in the middle
[12:09] <fsphil> it would probably get more done
[12:09] <eroomde> yes it is a bit sill
[12:10] <eroomde> silly*
[12:10] <eroomde> actually they should directly announce funding for skylon
[12:10] <fsphil> haha
[12:10] <fsphil> no bias there at all :) but yes, they should
[12:10] <eroomde> i might found one of those george-galloway-eqsue single issue parties
[12:10] <eroomde> and get all of bradford to support skylon funding
[12:10] <eroomde> or something
[12:13] <joph> is a rtlsdr dongle enough for tracking (maybe with an additional preamp) or is something better necessary?
[12:13] <fsphil> it and the habamp would do
[12:13] <joph> i read in the wiki that it works
[12:13] <jcoxon> they are capable
[12:14] <fsphil> they won't get the range of an expensive radio, but still more than enough for tracking
[12:14] <joph> long time experiences? heat issues if i run it for >10 days without a break?
[12:15] <eroomde> i would have thought it would reach thermal equilibrium in about 10 or 15 mins
[12:15] <eroomde> but i don;t know about service life at working temp
[12:15] <Rob_M0DTS> i've had an rtlsdr runing here for weeks now no problem.
[12:15] <fsphil> I've not run one for more than a day
[12:15] <joph> Rob_M0DTS, thanks, so setting it up would be no waste of time ;)
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[12:16] <Rob_M0DTS> definately worth it, someone should interface one with dl-fldigi....
[12:17] <NickSF> any idea what happened with uXABEN? still on the move or got lost at sea?
[12:17] <fsphil> I've used one with dl-fldigi, through a loopback sound device
[12:17] <jcoxon> yeah i loop back mine
[12:17] <joph> actually i'm reading how it's controlled if it runs without gui
[12:17] <fsphil> a direct interface would be nice though
[12:17] <fsphil> 1MHz window in fldigi :)
[12:18] <joph> a console interface would be funny ;)
[12:18] <jcoxon> lots of PSK31 on the florida GT
[12:18] <joph> like top ;)
[12:18] <fsphil> oooh imagine the baud rate you could do .....
[12:18] <jcoxon> but can't find N0D
[12:18] <bertrik> It's possible to run the stick with rtl_sdr, it then exposes the data stream over a network socket
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[12:19] <fsphil> fldigi is written with 3khz bandwidth in mind
[12:19] <fsphil> getting it to do anything else is difficult
[12:19] <jcoxon> yeah the fldigi mailing list says that
[12:20] <jcoxon> it would be quicker to make a SDR decode RTTY and upload to habitat
[12:20] <fsphil> hmm
[12:20] <fsphil> I wonder how portable the fldigi rtty modem is
[12:20] <Rob_M0DTS> true
[12:20] <jcoxon> gqrx has a packet decoder
[12:20] <jcoxon> built in
[12:20] <jcoxon> could add an RTTY decoder
[12:20] <bertrik> hm, perhaps make a gnu-radio chain then to do the band selection and low-pass filtering
[12:20] <Rob_M0DTS> sdr# is the best software for the rtlsdr dongles in my opinion.
[12:21] <Rob_M0DTS> it is open source too.
[12:21] <fsphil> gqrx is a bit more portable
[12:21] <fsphil> although not quite there yet
[12:21] <fsphil> I think there where issues on osx
[12:21] <jcoxon> they are fixed
[12:21] <fsphil> ah sweet
[12:22] <fsphil> I think zoom was merged recently
[12:25] <joph> http://sdrsharp.com/ <<< this one?
[12:25] <bertrik> what kind of mode does fldigi expect, is it always USB with about 3 kHz bandwidth?
[12:26] <bertrik> this could be a nice thing to try for a first gnu-radio project
[12:27] <Rob_M0DTS> yes correct link
[12:27] <fsphil> for rtty it's normally USB
[12:28] <fsphil> the sample rate it uses is normally 8000hz, but it does switch to faster rates for some modes
[12:28] <Rob_M0DTS> there are lots of gnuradio examples for usb receiver with rtl dongle now, it's just teh rtty part to setup.
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[12:30] <fsphil> still doesn't work with the fcdp+
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[12:36] <Rob_M0DTS> lunchtime ttfn
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[12:36] <chrisg7ogx> simon browns gui should be good, preview release promised Christmas eve
[12:37] <fsphil> someone down the road is cooking bacon, it's totally not fair
[12:38] <chrisg7ogx> mmmmm crispy
[12:39] <fsphil> evil :p
[12:40] <jcoxon> i guess we should declare uXaben lost
[12:41] <jcoxon> shame as it had a great signal
[12:42] <chrisg7ogx> do this uxabeben out of range of everyone as of 2am this morning or is it ditched?
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[12:42] <jcoxon> prob both
[12:43] <jcoxon> it went out of range
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[12:43] <jcoxon> and now we can't find it
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[12:44] <chrisg7ogx> so we need our Scandinavia n friends to keep a good watch, just in case?
[12:45] <jcoxon> indeed
[12:45] <la3eq> i still looking here in JO28XJ
[12:45] <jcoxon> thanks la3eq
[12:46] <chrisg7ogx> nice antenna la3eq
[12:46] <jcoxon> N0D should be approaching WB8ELK
[12:48] <la3eq> wich antenne do you mean Chris?
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[12:52] <^ph> I am looking from JO46WX
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[13:21] <fsphil> N0D seems to be glitchy
[13:23] <chrisg7ogx> the beam' thinking of getting one for 70cma
[13:25] <KT5TK> N0D burst
[13:27] <fsphil> impressive flight KT5TK
[13:28] <chrisg7ogx> kt5tk will go to med?
[13:30] <chrisg7ogx> sorry for delay la3eq using nexus7 in kitchen cooking for party tonight
[13:31] <la3eq> th ebeam does wonders on satellites too
[13:31] <chrisg7ogx> for women that would be multi tasking but not for men!
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[13:39] <chrisg7ogx> la3eq what is the full name of tat beam please?
[13:40] <daveake> NOD: "Max. Altitude: 51790.39 m" ... impressive :p
[13:41] <lz1dev> 51k what?
[13:42] <daveake> metres, but take a look at the altitude plot
[13:42] <chrisg7ogx> do usa balloons go to meditteranean countries rather than swing north?
[13:43] <lz1dev> daveake: sure, it was accelerated by the burst
[13:43] <lz1dev> claim record
[13:44] <NickB1> did uXABEN's battery die?
[13:46] <daveake> No
[13:46] <daveake> Single cell with boost converter
[13:46] <NickB1> trackers lost it?
[13:47] <daveake> Suspect it burst and is now rather wet
[13:47] <NickB1> ah ok
[13:47] <NickB1> no decodes after burst
[13:50] <daveake> I think it was out of range first. It was heard from Denmark this morning but the listener didn't have dl-fldigi set up to decode. By the time he did the signal had gone, so I think it was descending.
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[13:53] <NickB1> ah pity
[13:53] <NickB1> could be in norway :)
[13:53] <daveake> Well a Norwegian listener couldn't hear anything
[13:57] <malgar> do you know about launches using a party ballon? (latex)
[13:57] <malgar> and very basic payload
[13:59] <chrisg7ogx> the last balloon feom usa which endwd up in Morrocco was lost for some time before reappearing
[14:00] <fsphil> it had a good excuse (the atlantic)
[14:01] <chrisg7ogx> LOL ok range was the reason ok
[14:02] <fsphil> this balloon should have been in range of a few of these stations and wasn't heard
[14:03] <fsphil> still a very good flight
[14:03] <chrisg7ogx> yes indeed, we need launch from cornwall
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[14:05] <chrisg7ogx> qrx chores
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[14:19] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[15:30] <Morseman> Hi all - is PAVA flying today and, if so, what freq please?
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[15:34] <jcoxon> Morseman, nothing has been announced
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[15:38] <Morseman> Thanks jcoxon - could see it on Spacenear.us and wondered if it was flying today
[15:39] <jcoxon> yeah i think thats testing
[15:39] <jcoxon> would be fun if it was going to fly
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[15:40] <Morseman> I'll go and make something to eat and will keep an eye on Sapacenear.us from the laptop
[15:45] <Upu> just testing
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[16:38] <jcoxon> weird thunderstorm going on over london
[16:39] <Upu> ping Randomskk
[16:39] <Upu> end of the world probably don't worry about it
[16:39] <NickSF> few days early
[16:40] <NickB1> probably a rehearsal
[16:40] <Upu> lol
[16:40] <mattbrejza> apparently Randomskk has gone looking for apex alpha
[16:41] <Upu> oh ok
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[16:41] <Upu> does anyone know what frequency his ADF7012 demo board was intended to run at ?
[16:41] <fsphil> weird in what way jcoxon?
[16:42] <mattbrejza> well persumally 434.sometihng
[16:42] <mattbrejza> or did you want to know the something?
[16:42] <fsphil> the lightning detector isn't showing anything over london
[16:42] <Upu> well yes thats what I presumed but the output filter doesn't match that
[16:42] <Upu> according to my simulations
[16:42] <mattbrejza> he would have just copied the datasheet (probs)
[16:44] <Upu> my simulation must be wrong
[16:46] <Lunar_Lander> hello NickB1 !
[16:47] <NickB1> hi lunar
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[18:58] <Gadget-Mac> Evening all.
[18:59] <Gadget-Mac> Anyone know of any open hardware / open software rotators projects ?
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[19:02] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Aerospace "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Pico launches sat 15th - SPLAT1"
[19:02] <RocketBoy> http://ava.upuaut.net/?p=372
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[19:22] <Upu> evening
[19:22] <Upu> I'm getting another run of those rotator boards done, they proved quite popular
[19:24] <Gadget-Mac> Upu: That controls an existing roator ?
[19:24] <Gadget-Mac> +t
[19:24] <Upu> yeah
[19:25] <Upu> the code is here : http://radioartisan.wordpress.com/yaesu-rotator-computer-serial-interface/
[19:25] <griffonbot> Received email: Dave B "Re: [UKHAS] dl-fldigi soundcard settings"
[19:25] <Gadget-Mac> I'd need a rotator then.
[19:25] <Upu> I just did the board for it so you plug in an Arduino Uno/Duecimanovo thingy
[19:25] <Upu> yeah that generally helps
[19:26] <Upu> has anyone got any harmonic filters in ltspice you know to be working
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[19:26] <Upu> I want to compare a known working simulation with mine
[19:26] <Gadget-Mac> Wondering about getting the rotator head and building a custom controller. But might be a bit too much work
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[19:26] <Upu> i.e you know the simulation is an accurate and replicates realtiy
[19:26] <Upu> reality
[19:29] <Laurenceb_> how do the rotators work? what sort of motor?
[19:30] <Upu> no idea what magic goes on inside the casing
[19:30] <Upu> but you get a voltage feed back from 0-2.5v for the position on both axes
[19:31] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/IMG_0917_resize.jpg
[19:31] <Upu> you can either position using the control unit
[19:31] <Upu> or via the controller which is made from an Arduino
[19:31] <Upu> or you can buy Yaesu's job which is £500
[19:33] <jcoxon> ping RocketBoy
[19:33] <gonzo__> or the LVB tracker kit
[19:33] <gonzo__> see, AMSAT UK's website
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[19:33] <RocketBoy> pong jcoxon
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[19:34] <Upu> Yeah I looked at the LVB one
[19:35] <Upu> looks good but is more expensive
[19:36] <Upu> I think the one I'm using is £50 all in
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[19:36] <Upu> and it supports pretty much everything
[19:36] <gonzo__> amsat do make some profits from the kit sales, but all goes to the sat building funds
[19:36] <Upu> yep
[19:37] <gonzo__> alternative is to just get the pcb and buy your own bits
[19:38] <Upu> I'm going to run kits off for £15-£20
[19:38] <Upu> just waiting on the PCB's to come back
[19:39] <eroomde> we do need more amsats
[19:39] <eroomde> i really think p5d would be a collosal achievement
[19:40] <eroomde> and someone should just lot a couple of million euros at it
[19:41] <Lunar_Lander> do you mean the amateur mars mission?
[19:44] <eroomde> sorry, amsat p5
[19:44] <eroomde> not p5d
[19:44] <eroomde> yes Lunar_Lander
[19:44] <Lunar_Lander> I think that would be cool to, but what is it planned as?
[19:44] <Lunar_Lander> orbiter, lander, flyby?
[19:45] <eroomde> orbiter i think
[19:45] <eroomde> lander is a bit ambitious for an amateur effort :)
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[19:48] <gonzo__> the p5 is really just a means to an end, to get funding to launch earth orbiting sats
[19:49] <gonzo__> the p3d could have got to mars though
[19:49] <gonzo__> it had enough fuel on board
[19:50] <eroomde> could it have stopped when it go there?
[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> depends on like, for example, the solar cells it has
[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> of course you get less power from solar cells at mars as compared to earth
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[19:53] <gonzo__> just needed to get the tragectory right to get captured by the mars gravity
[19:54] <gonzo__> you would design for a mars mission
[19:54] <eroomde> Lunar_Lander: i'm not sure what solar cells have to do with fuel capacity
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[19:55] <Lunar_Lander> you were asking if it could have operated at mars
[19:56] <gonzo__> the apogee boost burn went on for too long as it was and the odbit was not optimal. But if they had burned for longer, it would have left earth orbit, and there was indeed fuel enoughg
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[19:56] <gonzo__> the actual p3d may not have bee optimal for mars, but the basic space frame could have got there
[19:56] <gonzo__> to an amareur mars orbiter is feasable
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[19:57] <gonzo__> so
[19:57] <eroomde> p3d was the one whose engine blew itself up right?
[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> how big was P3D?
[19:59] <Randomskk> upu, re adf7012, 434MHz, filter designed by the adf softwarr for it
[20:05] <eroomde> gonzo__: do you know who builds the in-space engines on the few amsats that have had them?
[20:05] <eroomde> can't find much info
[20:06] <eroomde> i spoke too soon, found an email in the archive. MMB, which i don't think exists anymore
[20:06] <Lunar_Lander> do you mean MBB?
[20:07] <eroomde> yes
[20:07] <eroomde> either way i have not heard of them
[20:07] <eroomde> Messerschmit, Bolkows and Blumm
[20:07] <gonzo__> http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?um=1&hl=en&tbo=d&biw=1160&bih=800&tbm=isch&tbnid=t65MV604wjiV-M:&imgrefurl=http://mek.kosmo.cz/telesa/2000/index.htm&docid=fjQvCVRTmyGfTM&imgurl=http://mek.kosmo.cz/telesa/2000/amsat3d.jpg&w=640&h=480&ei=rSnOUPH2C4TC0QXPqYG4Cw&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=188&sig=103195003886840639794&page=1&tbnh=136&tbnw=170&start=0&ndsp=30&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0,i:88&tx=75&ty=84
[20:07] <eroomde> i suspect they might be german
[20:07] <gonzo__> oh yuck!
[20:07] <Lunar_Lander> messerschmitt-bölkow-blohm
[20:07] <gonzo__> that huge url was a pic of p3d with people for scale
[20:08] <gonzo__> eroomde, not off hand.
[20:08] <Upu> hey Randomskk thx
[20:08] <Upu> I put the filter through ltspice
[20:09] <Upu> and it err didn't look good
[20:09] <Upu> suspect i've made a mistake on the design
[20:09] <eroomde> gonzo__: s'ok, found it
[20:09] <gonzo__> LL, yes, it was p3d that had the explosion. It was a fuel line rupture, after it fainled to purge
[20:09] <gonzo__> failed
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[20:11] <eroomde> that was me who asked gonzo__
[20:11] <eroomde> keep up :)
[20:11] <Lunar_Lander> oh
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[20:13] <gonzo__> sorry, get confused wonce it's scrolled off the screen
[20:13] <eroomde> if you know of any specific details of the proposed failure mechanism i'd be interested. i'll have a google myself
[20:13] <eroomde> had it already performed a burn?
[20:14] <gonzo__> i understand it was a bung in the line purge vent valve that should have been removed before flight
[20:14] <Randomskk> upu it may be crap though i thought it was ok... is a balun too iirc
[20:14] <Upu> yeah
[20:14] <gonzo__> in previous flights it was a bung so was just blowen out
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[20:14] <Upu> it has an impedance matching and harmonic filter
[20:14] <Upu> but no idea if I'm simulating it right
[20:15] <Upu> it lets the 2nd harmonic through
[20:15] <Randomskk> i had to change the pll filter iirc
[20:15] <Randomskk> lol what freq is that though
[20:16] <Upu> well everything below 1Ghz seems to be passed
[20:16] <Upu> again if I've simulated it right
[20:18] <Randomskk> what is your "pass" cutoff?
[20:18] <eroomde> ouch
[20:18] <Randomskk> i do seem to recall simulating it and finding it a bit wideband
[20:18] <eroomde> so they think the pressure built up in the cooling channels (odd for liquid propellents) which ruptured into the chamber
[20:18] <eroomde> and being hypergolic, that found some residual oxidiser
[20:19] <eroomde> which created an explosion
[20:21] <eroomde> speculatedly anyway
[20:22] <eroomde> tonight, homeland and peep show
[20:23] <eroomde> what a happy sunday
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[20:29] <chris_99> do any of you guys use an SDR rather than a scanner, i'm just wondering how they compare?
[20:31] <eroomde> sorry if silly question, but do you definitely mean a scanner, being something different to the usual ham radio rigs?
[20:32] <Gadget-Mac> scanner = multiband receiver
[20:32] <chris_99> sorry, i mean any normal reciever compared to a DVB sdr
[20:32] <eroomde> ah right
[20:33] <eroomde> well the ham radio type receivers we use are a lot more sensitive
[20:33] <eroomde> but with a pre-amp and filter, the sdr's can be made decent
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[20:33] <eroomde> but if you want to be part of the 500km+ receive club then you want a proper rig. obviously the dongle-type sdrs are much smaller and cheaper and more flexible
[20:34] <eroomde> i assume you mean usb-stick type sdr rather than sdr in general. there's no reason in principle sdr in general should be any better or worse
[20:34] <chris_99> yeah i meant a usb dvb sdr i just purchased the elicon 4000 one
[20:34] <eroomde> sure
[20:35] <eroomde> well, i'd recommend getting the filter and preamp front end for it
[20:35] <eroomde> available from all good hab shops
[20:35] <chris_99> *elonics
[20:35] <Upu> heh
[20:35] <chris_99> hehe
[20:35] <Gadget-Mac> eroomde: Nice promotion there
[20:35] <eroomde> and then if you're within a couple of hundred km of a typical flight you should be ok
[20:36] <Lunar_Lander> eroomde, xD peep show?
[20:36] <eroomde> if you want to be one of the more capable receive stations, you might want to save up for a ft-790R on ebay
[20:36] <Gadget-Mac> Upu: Do you recon an adb-s pre-amp / filter would be possible ?
[20:36] <eroomde> have a play with the elonics, track a few flights
[20:36] <eroomde> if you think you'd appreciate the extra sensitivity, i recommend an ebay ft-790
[20:36] <Upu> what frequency is adb-s on ?
[20:37] <eroomde> or an ft-817 if you dont mind spending on a more modern rig. but the sensitivity is v good on the 790
[20:37] <eroomde> where is jarod when you need him
[20:37] <Gadget-Mac> Indeed.
[20:37] <x-f> Upu, 1090 MHz
[20:38] <Upu> well the amp would work
[20:38] <Upu> the saw filter wouldn't
[20:38] <Gadget-Mac> Ok, is there an alternative SAW ?
[20:38] <chris_99> Upu, is the filter on your site not for coax connectors
[20:39] <Upu> err yes chris_99 its for coax
[20:39] <chris_99> oh cool, i got a bit confused looking at the photo
[20:42] <Upu> I can't see a saw filter at that frequency
[20:43] <Gadget-Mac> Upu: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/B1602-SAW-filters-Epcos-1090MHz-ADS-B-AirNav-SBS-/110619017914
[20:43] <Upu> oh
[20:43] <Upu> thats the puppy
[20:43] <chris_99> so i just saw the guide on how to use a dongle, which uses SDR# is there an app for linux?
[20:43] <Upu> in that case yes I think with one of those on the rest of the board should work
[20:44] <Upu> the amp is fine at that frequency
[20:44] <Upu> and the rest of it is just DC blocking caps
[20:45] <Gadget-Mac> Upu: Could be a good thing to look at doing
[20:45] <Upu> well if you want one I'll make one up, can you test it ?
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[21:48] <eroomde> better: http://www.hotellnord.no/english/index.html
[21:48] <eroomde> wrong window sorry
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