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[06:57] <KF7FER> So Upu... I sorted my ublox/supercap issue. It was me being an idiot. I hijacked the Trackuino's buzzer to drive my "fix LED" and I didn't realize it only checks to see if the buzzer should be active _just_ before transmit (1Hz). So of course I didn't see a fix faster. My bad. Sorry.
[06:57] <KF7FER> Looks like it works if it's not colder than 10 degrees C outside :-)
[06:58] <KF7FER> so if I pick another 0.2F cap... how much does ESR matter?
[06:58] <Upu> ah ok cool
[06:59] <Upu> err not sure tbh
[06:59] <KF7FER> but I shouldn't settle for a part that can handle less than -40 C, right?
[07:00] <KF7FER> seems like the only options are thru-hole caps that are fairly large and not well stocked here in the US
[07:00] <KF7FER> options means less than $2 each
[07:01] <Upu> Well personally I'd get all comps rated to -40'C
[07:01] <Upu> especially if you going to float
[07:01] <Upu> but insulate well and you should be ok
[07:01] <Upu> what are you powering everything off ?
[07:01] <KF7FER> if I insulate, how much will that help? Can I use -10 parts? -20? I see some small coin sized parts that will do -25
[07:02] <Upu> I've seen payloads internally down to that
[07:02] <KF7FER> well... I'm using a TPS61202 to provide 5v. and I've got a 3.3v LDO that drives everything but the HX1
[07:03] <Upu> whats going into the TPS though ?
[07:03] <KF7FER> 3xAA?
[07:03] <Upu> ok so a little too much
[07:04] <Upu> if you use 2 cells you can feed that directly to the GPS battery
[07:04] <KF7FER> really? I couldn't get this to work with 2xAA... but they were kinda dead
[07:04] <KF7FER> so check this out, if you wouldn't mind... https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pw3ukfinr6e9mve/wh_THMOnoi?m
[07:04] <KF7FER> the design files are there, plus a pic of "Revision A"
[07:04] <Upu> sure
[07:04] <KF7FER> how did I do?
[07:04] <KF7FER> anything too stupid?
[07:04] <KF7FER> BTW ublox rocks :-)
[07:04] <Upu> lol
[07:05] <Upu> well I'm about to set off for work but should be there in an hour or so will check then if thats ok ?
[07:05] <KF7FER> no problem
[07:05] <KF7FER> I appreciate your input. The TPS61202 scared me to design and assemble
[07:05] <KF7FER> but it worked the first time
[07:06] <Upu> yeah you get use to them
[07:06] <KF7FER> I hope so
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[07:36] <astrodog> Have I missed anything interesting in the last week?
[07:37] <niftylettuce_> anyone here doing a kickstarter/indiegogo project or know someone that is?
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[07:59] <nosebleedkt> hi people
[07:59] <lz1dev> morning nosebleed
[08:00] <costyn> astrodog: not really, no launches that I know of.
[08:01] <costyn> niftylettuce_: no, need to get rid of some money? :)
[08:01] <niftylettuce_> costyn: just launched this and i'd like to help out some folks... https://teelaunch.com
[08:01] <niftylettuce_> costyn: i automated fufillment and make it super simple and affordable.
[08:02] <niftylettuce_> costyn: took me 6 yrs since i started at a printshop till now and finally have a 20k sq ft facility
[08:04] <costyn> niftylettuce_: nice
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[08:13] <KF7FER> Upu: So when I first tested that board I used 3xAA's that were real tired (v=1.05 each). The board wouldn't power up. I guess I assumed it wouldn't run from 2xAA so I never tried again. But tonight... I got some new generic AA batteries and I'm impressed, the board actually runs and transmits... all while reporting vin=2.8v
[08:14] <KF7FER> I'll try some tests with some _real_ batteries in the next few days
[08:19] <UpuWork> it should run from a single AA
[08:20] <KF7FER> I'll have to try. The family just got a new pack of batteries from the big box store so I can at least do some baseline testing with them
[08:20] <KF7FER> I built the board a few days ago and the batteries I had on hand were pretty sad
[08:20] <eroomde> batteries can be an expensive habit in hab
[08:21] <eroomde> those energizer lithium ultimates do not come cheap
[08:21] <UpuWork> thats why I made my payload run from a single one
[08:21] <KF7FER> and now the name has changed? I keep looking for e2 but it's got a new name?
[08:21] <UpuWork> because I'm a tight Yorkshireman
[08:21] <UpuWork> e91/e92
[08:21] <eroomde> can just imagine the monty python sketch
[08:21] <UpuWork> err
[08:21] <UpuWork> L91/L92 sorry
[08:22] <eroomde> "Battries? Looxury! when i were lad it were potatoe and an electrode'
[08:22] <UpuWork> L91 = AA
[08:22] <UpuWork> need a coffee
[08:22] <KF7FER> but the pic is different and as a lame US left-coaster, I'm pretty literal
[08:22] <UpuWork> vingar and zinc
[08:22] <UpuWork> brb brew
[08:22] <eroomde> are US leftcoasters lame?
[08:23] <eroomde> i'm there for a month next year, both coasts, need to orient my predjudices in advance
[08:23] <KF7FER> well I thought all the cool kids were on the east side of the US?
[08:23] <KF7FER> err. not US, I mean world
[08:23] <KF7FER> ignorant american
[08:23] <KF7FER> sorry
[08:23] <KF7FER> or more eastern
[08:23] <KF7FER> :-)
[08:23] <eroomde> :)
[08:24] <KF7FER> don't forget Starbucks coffee came from the west side of the US..
[08:24] <KF7FER> within a few hundred miles of here. Not that I'm proud of it, but people have heard of that :-)
[08:24] <eroomde> there was a strong west side vs east side thing at MIT than i never really understood
[08:24] <eroomde> that*
[08:24] <eroomde> everyone there was a west sider or an east sider. but it had nothing to do with hometown
[08:24] <eroomde> it was more outlook
[08:25] <KF7FER> of course. hometown would be too easy
[08:25] <UpuWork> http://data.energizer.com/PDFs/l91.pdf
[08:25] <eroomde> i got asked which one i was on several occassions
[08:25] <UpuWork> best not mention Starbucks over here in the UK
[08:25] <eroomde> 'er... i'm from england?'
[08:25] <KF7FER> hey the wiki says e2 right?
[08:26] <KF7FER> new name, same thing?
[08:26] <eroomde> but that made me potentially really preppy (apparently) which is an east side thing
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[08:26] <KF7FER> I never did preppy... too much effort.
[08:26] <UpuWork> possibly a typo
[08:26] <eroomde> but then i had opinions on microcontroller architectures, which made me west side
[08:26] <eroomde> i presented an enigma
[08:26] <lz1dev> lol
[08:27] <KF7FER> no I mean I think there is some sort of marketing change... the batteries before had e2 on them
[08:27] <KF7FER> same swoosh, but slightly different
[08:27] <UpuWork> no idea
[08:27] <UpuWork> I've only seen L91 on them
[08:27] <KF7FER> look at http://ukhas.org.uk/ideas:power_supply
[08:28] <UpuWork> I've seen it
[08:28] <UpuWork> L91
[08:28] <KF7FER> that's an L92, right... but the e2 reference is different now
[08:28] <KF7FER> same price, same catalog number... different look. I think?
[08:28] <KF7FER> oh well, I've got that sorted
[08:28] <KF7FER> thanks :-)
[08:29] <KF7FER> if you google the "lithium e2" references you keep getting different pages.
[08:29] <KF7FER> when you follow thru I mean
[08:29] <UpuWork> would it make you happier if I deleted 'E2' from the Wiki ? :)
[08:30] <KF7FER> LOL no sorry, just my confusion.
[08:30] <KF7FER> was wondering if anybody else noticed is all
[08:30] <KF7FER> the same part number is kinda a dead give-away
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[08:52] <chrisg7ogx> ia prom2 sattellite teacked only please?
[08:53] <chrisg7ogx> tracked
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[09:06] <UpuWork> interesting KF7FER
[09:06] <UpuWork> so you're going from a boost, into a linear
[09:06] <Darkside> keeps the noise down
[09:06] <KF7FER> not too bad then?
[09:07] <KF7FER> seems to work ok but I've got limited run time on the prototype
[09:07] <UpuWork> not enough vias
[09:07] <UpuWork> no wait...
[09:08] <costyn> funny, Google Maps is available again in the appstore
[09:08] <UpuWork> looks like you've followed the datasheet for the TPS looks fine
[09:08] <UpuWork> yes costyn
[09:08] <UpuWork> so I've upgraded to IOS6 :)
[09:09] <KF7FER> not got lost yet? can still find the closest pub?
[09:09] <costyn> UpuWork: yea looks like I'm going to do that now too ;)
[09:09] <costyn> KF7FER: with the new google maps all is well again :)
[09:09] <KF7FER> all hail google?
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[09:09] <UpuWork> Well Samsung are taking the piss, they parked a 4x4 with desert stuff in the middle of Sydney with a sign saying "should have used a Samsung"
[09:10] <costyn> KF7FER: certainly :)
[09:10] <Darkside> lol
[09:10] <UpuWork> http://www.redmondpie.com/samsung-pokes-fun-at-apple-maps-taking-advantage-of-recent-australian-mishap-image/
[09:11] <Darkside> hehe
[09:11] <Darkside> i know the area mentioned in the articles that came out too :P
[09:11] <Darkside> right near where we did th emildura launch
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[09:12] <Darkside> we've landed balloons near there too lol
[09:12] <UpuWork> looks fine Brad
[09:12] <UpuWork> just one small comment why not swap C13 and C4 over
[09:12] <UpuWork> so C13 is closer to the TPS and you don't get that track running under C4
[09:12] <UpuWork> I'm being very anal
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[09:13] <UpuWork> but that track is at least 0.5mm longer than it needs to be :)
[09:13] <KF7FER> Upu: Ah, ok. Makes sense. I can do that easily :-)
[09:13] <KF7FER> thanks for the input, I appreciate it. This is all new to me and I spent a lot of time trying to get it right
[09:14] <KF7FER> well at least the boost converter and whole 3.3/5v thing
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[09:16] <KF7FER> oh! plus it gives me a nice polygon to put the C13 label on if I swap them :-)
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[09:36] <Laurenceb_> http://witespyquad.gostorego.com/speed-controllers/reflashed-esc-with-rapidesc-fw-for-multirotor.html
[09:40] <UpuWork> lol
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[09:41] <costyn> Laurenceb_: haha
[09:42] <lz1dev> not the only one seeing a colourful message, am i
[09:42] <UpuWork> no :)
[09:42] <costyn> lz1dev: indeed
[09:44] <daveake> Hah
[09:45] <daveake> I did something similar to someone hotlinking from myspace ages ago
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[09:49] <lz1dev> i think he overdid it with the messages
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[09:50] <lz1dev> might push somebody to hotlink all the images on some website with loads ot traffic
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[11:43] <jarod> http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/6066199_460s.jpg - Octopus is curious about NOAA equipment.
[11:43] <costyn> jarod: freaky looking octopus... back of it looks like a human head
[11:45] <Laurenceb> looks like a scene from alien
[11:46] <jarod> :O
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[11:56] <SamSilver> bacon festival http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/index.php/2012/12/12/blue-ribbon-bacon-festival-sold-out-in-four-minutes/article
[11:59] <zamabe> looks like the fire marshal is going to have a problem. I know half of a country who will be attending at all costs.
[12:01] <costyn> mmm bacon
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[12:02] <Laurenceb> did they invite Mahmoud Ahmadinejad?
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[14:06] <cuddykid> has anyone here got an arducopter?
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[14:08] <WillDuckworth> is that for your apm2?
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[14:38] <jarod> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVQIglBZo6s
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[14:46] <jarod> http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ph-kzu a plane that landed in the water? :P
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[14:47] <Laurenceb> haha
[14:47] <Laurenceb> wtf
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[14:47] <Laurenceb> its turned into a boat
[14:48] <jarod> lemme check AIS!
[14:49] <jarod> its moved ove the canal and crawled its way into the north harbor :P
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[15:12] <cuddykid> WillDuckworth: yup, thinking about getting one - or some plane/glider that I can stick it in
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[16:02] <wibble_> i haven't asked a dumb question for a while, so thought I would
[16:02] <wibble_> still looking for a cheap radio
[16:02] <wibble_> http://www.amazon.co.uk/UV-5R-Dual-Band-Stubborn-Enhanced-Features/dp/B0091CWQBE/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1355414397&sr=1-1
[16:02] <wibble_> Any good?
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[16:04] <fsphil> I've got a UV3R, and it's alright for the money
[16:05] <UpuWork> does it do SSB ?
[16:05] <wibble_> I basically managed to score an £80 amazon gift card, so thought I would use it for HAB !
[16:06] <fsphil> FM only
[16:06] <fsphil> so no good for tracking RTTY
[16:09] <wibble_> thanks. I will buy some arduino instead then :)
[16:13] <kokey> yeah stuff that goes with the arduino is always useful
[16:13] <kokey> though having a useful radio is nice, but not cheap
[16:15] <wibble_> just cant afford the yaesu price!
[16:16] <kokey> I've got a Yupiteru MVT-7100 scanner
[16:16] <kokey> got it second hand, a bit tattered, does the trick
[16:16] <kokey> that said I wouldn't be surprised if something really cool comes to market over the next year or so, with all the SDR action going on
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[16:30] <Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/pqSlk.jpg
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[17:03] <cuddykid> someone alerted me earlier that my CNN interview had over 166,600 views - didn't even realise it was on youtube!
[17:04] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Pico launches sat 15th"
[17:05] <SpeedEvil> cuddykid: fame!
[17:05] <kokey> nice one cuddykid
[17:06] <cuddykid> cheers, still pales in comparison to some HAB videos with 1m + views
[17:06] <SpeedEvil> link?
[17:07] <SpeedEvil> unsure if I saw it
[17:12] <cuddykid> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veqJART9XBA
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[17:16] <SpeedEvil> cuddykid: insane if you add it up to about 6 person-years watching you
[17:18] <cuddykid> yeah!
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[17:22] <Laurenceb> https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6866438912/hB2478B2E/
[17:23] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjABuQslkqs&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[17:24] <SpeedEvil> for the 'about five years... line
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[17:35] <griffonbot> Received email: navrac "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Pico launches sat 15th"
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[17:35] <Randomskk> navrac: good remembering :P
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[17:39] <eroomde> yeah
[17:39] <eroomde> you know you're a habber when...
[17:41] <arko> morningz
[17:41] <eroomde> morningz arko
[17:41] <eroomde> evenings here
[17:41] <eroomde> might leave work earlyish for once
[17:42] <eroomde> how are things with you?
[17:48] <jarod> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Y4XNtKAK-jQ
[17:49] <jarod> http://www.hamradioscience.com/adding-ads-b-acars-and-atc-audio-to-planeplotter-using-multiple-rtl2832u-sticks/ i mean
[17:49] <eroomde> jarod: all your stuff is #mediumaltitude :p
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[17:53] <jarod> pffff
[17:53] <jarod> and so is yours
[17:53] <Laurenceb> LTC6090 looks nuts
[17:53] <jarod> universe wise :P
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[17:54] <eroomde> Laurenceb: yeah i saw that
[17:54] <eroomde> not a bad sing
[17:54] <eroomde> swing*
[17:54] <eroomde> you could directly interface scintillators and stuff
[17:56] <Laurenceb> eroomde: my actuator is working now
[17:56] <Laurenceb> ... kind of
[17:56] <Laurenceb> it sometimes has quite bad oscillation on sudden transitions
[17:57] <Laurenceb> but 75% of the time it can transit from one point to another optimally
[17:57] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[17:57] <SpeedEvil> well, most of the time
[17:57] <Laurenceb> http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=239204
[17:58] <Laurenceb> red = position, green = step commands
[17:58] <Laurenceb> its "learning"
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[18:03] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EWruiIjBmo&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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[18:37] <Laurenceb> anyone here ever used honeywell force sensors?
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[18:38] <Laurenceb> http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=239212
[18:38] <Laurenceb> seems like i have weird sensor behaviour
[18:38] <Laurenceb> that was a straight in-out
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[18:40] <Laurenceb> oh shit
[18:40] <Laurenceb> http://www.pcb.com/images/fig_8.gif
[18:40] <Laurenceb> looks like that effect
[18:41] <Laurenceb> sometime it screws up the ekf and bad stuff happens
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[19:22] <MNSP> Hello All :-)
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[19:51] <nigelvh> Morning
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[20:49] <fsphil> oh almost forgot, the Geminids peak tonight
[20:49] <fsphil> ... and it is completly clouded out here
[20:49] <fsphil> shocking
[20:50] <Randomskk> :P
[20:50] <fsphil> might listen out for some radio scatter
[20:55] <x-f_> i've been listening to this whole day - http://spaceweatherradio.com/ - heard lots of meteors
[20:55] <x-f_> i knew about this technique, but it ws the first time i actually heard meteors
[20:55] <x-f_> quite fun
[20:56] <x-f_> it has gone mostly quiet now tho
[20:56] <x-f_> because of daytime on that part of the world i guess
[20:57] <NickSF> do meteors care whether its daytime or nighttime?
[20:57] <NickSF> ;P
[20:58] <x-f_> it's how the Earth travels through space
[20:58] x-f (~x-f@zuze.laacz.lv) got lost in the net-split.
[20:58] chalcy0n (~chalcy0n@jeroennijhof.nl) got lost in the net-split.
[20:58] DanielRichman (~daniel@unaffiliated/danielrichman) got lost in the net-split.
[20:58] KT5TK_QRL (~thomas@66.249.100.36) got lost in the net-split.
[20:58] jolo2 (jolo2@246.19.119.80.rev.sfr.net) got lost in the net-split.
[20:58] arko (~Arko@lalwut.com) got lost in the net-split.
[20:58] DrLuke (~quassel@v120420003125117.hostingparadise.de) got lost in the net-split.
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[20:58] <x-f_> where is the front of it
[20:59] <NickSF> fair enough. never really thought about it before
[21:00] <x-f_> well, time of the day wasn't the right term i should have used there
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[21:07] <fsphil> I've heard meteor scatter on my 817, but the TV station I was using doesn't broadcast anymore
[21:12] Action: bertrik hears noise with a beep through it now
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[21:16] <x-f_> the few minutes long beeps are likely to be "areas of ionization in the upper atmosphere created by the passage of the meteor"
[21:17] <x-f_> expanation from ##astronomy
[21:17] <x-f_> +l
[21:18] <bertrik> heard a downward sweep too
[21:23] <SpeedEvil> oh!
[21:23] <SpeedEvil> tonight is supposed to be gemenids isn't it
[21:23] <fsphil> yep
[21:23] <fsphil> which means thick cloud cover
[21:23] <SpeedEvil> sigh
[21:23] <SpeedEvil> checking, thou art right
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[21:23] <fsphil> astronomical evens cause cloud it seems
[21:23] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[21:24] <fsphil> someone should do a study
[21:24] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil, the svensmark thing that cosmic rays can cause clouds?
[21:25] <fsphil> nah, meteor showers and total solar eclipses cause cloud
[21:25] <Lunar_Lander> yeah cause I wanted to say that the other thing was tested at CERN and found to be negative
[21:26] <fsphil> besides if cosmic rays caused clouds, wouldn't it be very cloudy at the poles
[21:27] <Lunar_Lander> because of the high flux?
[21:27] <Lunar_Lander> I would think so
[21:27] <x-f_> fsphil, did you catch the Venus transit at least?
[21:27] <fsphil> nope, cloudy x-f_
[21:27] <fsphil> for both of them
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[21:27] <x-f_> :/
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[21:27] <Lunar_Lander> I reworked my board btw
[21:27] <fsphil> the joys of being surrounded by the atlantic ocean I guess
[21:28] <Lunar_Lander> I removed the sockets of the GPS, Barometer and SD and soldered those to the board
[21:29] <CHRISG7OGX> is there anything planned to be launched this weekend please?
[21:29] <Randomskk> fsphil: but the poles have super duper low humidity
[21:29] <fsphil> there's a pico being launched at the weekend
[21:30] <fsphil> Randomskk: conspiracy
[21:30] <CHRISG7OGX> cheers fsphil
[21:30] <Randomskk> maybe it all gets used up making clouds
[21:30] <Randomskk> that drift away
[21:30] <KT5TK_QRL1> Can anyone please help me to generate a payload document? I need to enter PSK31 modulation but the form only has RTTY, DominoEX and Hellschreiber
[21:31] <Randomskk> haha oh, you edge case
[21:31] <Randomskk> uhm
[21:31] <fsphil> there might also be a launch next week, but early predictions are not looking great
[21:31] <Randomskk> I'm not sure if dl-fldigi can do automatic configuration for PSK31
[21:31] <KT5TK_QRL1> We'll launch on Saturday
[21:31] <CHRISG7OGX> is this info on the groups mailing list?
[21:31] <fsphil> pico or grown up?
[21:31] <KT5TK_QRL1> Id did work last time in August
[21:32] <Randomskk> but just put hell and tell me once you've made the payload config document and I'll change it manually for you
[21:32] <Randomskk> (/cc DanielRi1hman)
[21:32] <KT5TK_QRL1> OK, thanks, that's what I needed
[21:32] <fsphil> CHRISG7OGX: yea
[21:32] <fsphil> well next weeks not yet
[21:32] <fsphil> it won't be until I know more
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[21:33] <CHRISG7OGX> yes understood i can rely on monitoring the list - thanks
[21:33] <fsphil> which reminds me, gotta fix my hourly
[21:33] <Lunar_Lander> btw, yesterday in front of the Physics House: http://s.gullipics.com/image/b/l/g/5yvobv-jhg3lz-ruv9/IMG6311.jpeg
[21:34] <fsphil> real snow?
[21:34] <CHRISG7OGX> what about those southampton uni dudes?
[21:34] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[21:34] <fsphil> lucky you Lunar_Lander :)
[21:34] <fsphil> we've still not had any yet
[21:34] <Lunar_Lander> ;)
[21:35] <fsphil> the snow man appears to be a vampire
[21:35] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:35] <fsphil> pointy teeth, and disolves in sunlight
[21:35] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[21:36] <daveake> See if he can hang upside down
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[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> I think the equation he holds up shows that he can't
[21:37] <fsphil> I need to print out an equation that shows it can't snow here, and set it in a puddle
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[21:40] <daveake> I need to print out an equation that shows that sea landings can't happen, and attach it to a payload
[21:40] <KT5TK_QRL1> Randomskk: Just saved the genpayload for N0D. Doc ID 73c7eadbd50ffe1f23c63d0c3ecd6fe4
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:41] <Randomskk> KT5TK_QRL1: okay, I've updated the document
[21:41] <Randomskk> not sure if it'l work for autoconfigure in dl-fldigi though you're welcome to try
[21:41] <KT5TK_QRL1> Tnx very much
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[21:47] <arko_> http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/1885uk77vqanfgif/original.gif
[21:47] Nick change: arko_ -> arko
[21:49] <kiwi1> Hi
[21:50] <arko> hello
[21:50] <kiwi1> Has anyone tried to record video from a balloon?
[21:50] <Randomskk> not that I know of
[21:50] <Randomskk> wait
[21:50] <Randomskk> yes
[21:50] <Randomskk> I think it may have been done.
[21:51] <arko> lol
[21:51] <Dan-K2VOL> might only have done it with 16mm film though so far
[21:51] <kiwi1> I tried it once but the payload rotated horribly most of the time
[21:51] <Randomskk> doing it digitally would definitely be cool
[21:51] <Dan-K2VOL> might try it on tape
[21:52] <eroomde> digital is too complicated
[21:52] <eroomde> the electroncs cant move fast enough onto the sd card in the cold
[21:52] <eroomde> electrons*
[21:52] <Randomskk> you could put some kind of heater in there
[21:53] <Dan-K2VOL> yes, a small fire perhaps, though you'd need to have enough oxygen stored for it
[21:53] Action: fsphil takes notes
[21:54] <Dan-K2VOL> a kerosene handwarmer would work well
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[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> WOW COOL http://arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoBoardEsplora
[21:55] <kiwi1> When people make still images, can it be seen if the payload rotates? Swings?
[21:56] <Dan-K2VOL> kiwi1, seriously though yes, if you have a slow shutter
[21:56] <Dan-K2VOL> like some older reaaaaly cheap digital cams
[21:57] <fsphil> even a good camera will probably show some motion blur if it's spinning fast enough
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[21:58] <kiwi1> Right, my point is that the payload does rotate then. Video wouldn't come out well.
[21:58] <Dan-K2VOL> hmm you should look up weather balloons on youtube.
[21:58] <Randomskk> if the payload didn't rotate then the video would look pretty much like a photograph
[21:58] <Randomskk> I mean, the payloads will definitely rotate
[21:59] <Dan-K2VOL> and they usually don't do so at a sickening rate on climb
[21:59] <Randomskk> but basically everyone and probably even some dogs have launched video cameras on high altitude balloons
[21:59] <Randomskk> there are thousands of videos
[21:59] <Dan-K2VOL> hahahaha
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[22:00] <kiwi1> Of course, why didn't I think of youtube in the first place :)
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[22:21] <kiwi1> Thanks for answering my questions. Catch you later guys.
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[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil, I still got a question on component mounting
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[22:41] <Lunar_Lander> or everyone else basically
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[22:44] <Lunar_Lander> daveake, today I mounted the GPS and barometer and SD to the board directly
[22:44] <Lunar_Lander> soldered those in
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[22:45] <daveake> Pic?
[22:46] <Lunar_Lander> I didn't take the camera to the lab today but will take one tomorrow
[22:47] <Lunar_Lander> basically what changed is that the sockets disappeared and the sensors and the GPS are now mounted on the board directly
[22:47] <Lunar_Lander> and the GPS is still set to 90° vertical
[22:50] <Lunar_Lander> I hope that will ensure that nothing falls out or so
[22:50] <Lunar_Lander> but I still didn't solve the problem for the "outdoor" sensors
[22:50] <Lunar_Lander> I still have the headers for those on because I didn't get a good idea
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[22:54] <Lunar_Lander> daveake, radim said he used headers but locked them down but I didn't understand that really
[22:54] <Lunar_Lander> could you please once again say what you would do for these two devices?
[22:55] <daveake> Use locking connectot
[22:55] <daveake> Rs
[22:55] <Lunar_Lander> ah something like those PC fan plugs that were mentioned recently?
[22:56] <lz1dev> yeah, or the header ones
[22:57] <Lunar_Lander> or something like those lipoly JST connectors
[22:57] <lz1dev> they dont actually have a locking mechanism
[22:57] <lz1dev> there are ones with latch
[22:58] <lz1dev> JST are fine
[22:59] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[22:59] <Lunar_Lander> but JST only have two connectors
[22:59] <Lunar_Lander> I need three
[22:59] <lz1dev> pretty sure they come in different number of pins
[23:00] <lz1dev> i'd check in a local shop, they are bound to have some
[23:08] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:08] <Lunar_Lander> I know our local store doesn't
[23:09] <Lunar_Lander> I called them and asked for the sockets for JST
[23:09] <Lunar_Lander> but we got an electronics workshop in house
[23:09] <Lunar_Lander> they got those 90° headers for my GPS
[23:09] <Lunar_Lander> so I think they could have connectors like those as well
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[23:38] <Darkside> RocketBoy: you pinged me?
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[23:40] <RocketBoy> oh yeah - I wanted to know if you guys were doing anything equivalent to my balloon sales in the land of under - only I keep getting people ask me to ship balloons down there
[23:41] <RocketBoy> doesn't seem that efficient thats all
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[23:41] <Darkside> we don't do any sales
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[23:41] <Darkside> we order directly from hwoyee
[23:42] <RocketBoy> the one today was 1 x hwoyee 500 - how much do your banks charge for the transfer
[23:42] <Darkside> uhm
[23:42] <Darkside> not sure
[23:42] <Darkside> heh
[23:42] <Darkside> depends on the bank
[23:42] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[23:43] <RocketBoy> just wondering where the breakpoint is
[23:43] <RocketBoy> I'll tell em to check their bank
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[23:43] <Darkside> get them to pay via paypal lol
[23:43] <Darkside> hrmm 500g eh
[23:43] <Darkside> i wonder who's planning on launching...
[23:47] <RocketBoy> no idea - do you want me to get them to contact?
[23:47] <Darkside> i'd just be interested to know which state
[23:47] <Darkside> i only really care if it's SA
[23:48] <RocketBoy> victoria
[23:48] <Darkside> ohd ear
[23:48] <Darkside> the vics...
[23:48] <Darkside> heh
[23:48] <Darkside> well i hope they have the correct permissions
[23:52] <RocketBoy> got a auz permit faq - I'll pass it on
[23:53] <Darkside> cool
[23:53] <RocketBoy> sorry that was - have you got an auz permit faq?
[23:53] <Darkside> nope
[23:54] <RocketBoy> he ho
[23:54] <Darkside> we generally don't encourage ballooning here...
[23:54] <Darkside> the standard line is 'contact casa'
[23:54] <Darkside> well, we don't encourage people to go do ballooning ourselves
[23:54] <Darkside> if they want to do it, we'll answer their questions
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