highaltitude.log.20121212

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[00:01] <meatmanek> ah interesting
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[00:05] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[00:15] <lz1dev> modern space art
[00:23] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[00:39] <Lunar_Lander> good night
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[03:03] <natrium42> http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/14oei6/til_in_2011_researchers_let_100_paper_planes_go/
[03:03] <natrium42> wat...
[03:04] <Darkside> researchers?
[03:05] <Darkside> lol
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[06:45] <arko> long day...
[06:45] <Upu> ...begins
[06:45] <Upu> morning
[06:47] <arko> haha
[06:47] <arko> morning
[06:48] <Upu> My car is normally black but looks entirely white this morning
[06:48] <Upu> freezing fog
[06:53] <arko> nice
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[10:26] <griffonbot> Received email: MikeB "[UKHAS] Re: Pico launches sat 15th"
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[10:57] <cuddykid> glad it's been found UpuWork!
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[10:58] <UpuWork> Yeah had a nice chat with a french lady called Adeline this morning
[10:58] <cuddykid> :D
[10:58] <UpuWork> she's going to pull it apart and see if the electronics are knackered
[10:58] <cuddykid> nice
[10:58] <UpuWork> her mum found it but she doesn't speak english well
[10:59] <UpuWork> she thought I was a kid, not surprised with my hand writing on the ball
[10:59] <cuddykid> right, I'm very very late :( got to run
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[10:59] <UpuWork> have fun
[10:59] <cuddykid> hah UpuWork
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[11:01] Action: daveake makes note to write "Hello I'm very lost" in childish handwriting on future payloads
[11:01] <UpuWork> haha
[11:02] <UpuWork> don't forget "thanks! :)"
[11:02] <daveake> :)
[11:07] <lz1dev> i suggest play this when somebody touches the payload
[11:07] <lz1dev> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SQB9yv5n80
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[11:20] <UpuWork> can't watch that at work
[11:20] <UpuWork> I blocked youtube
[11:21] <Darkside> its quotes from the portal turrets
[11:21] <Darkside> "hello? i see you!"
[11:21] <Darkside> "are you still there?"
[11:22] <lz1dev> "critical error"
[11:23] <lz1dev> "dispensing product"
[11:23] <lz1dev> "awawawawawawa"
[11:23] <lz1dev> "put me down"
[11:23] <lz1dev> and so on, its amazing
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[11:27] <nosebleedkt> hello everybody
[11:27] <lz1dev> hello nosebleedkt
[11:27] <nosebleedkt> my new gsm recovery module
[11:27] <nosebleedkt> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=557951504218898&set=a.543339955680053.140952.259791880701530&type=1&theater
[11:28] <mfa298> The youtube auto captions are somewhat ammusing (and nothing like whats said)
[11:28] <nosebleedkt> Arduino-less !
[11:33] <nosebleedkt> takes 3AA instead of 6 !
[11:33] <nosebleedkt> just 2 shields instead of 3 !
[11:34] <costyn> lz1dev: those turrets are comedy gold
[11:36] <costyn> lz1dev: and yes it would be pretty funny but anyone who would pick it up wouldn't understand the reference
[11:37] <lz1dev> just somebody needs to find it :)
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[12:49] <Navrac_Work> pinjg upuwork
[12:50] <gonzo__> that a ping that has a cold?
[12:50] <Navrac_Work> just a bit congested
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[12:52] <Laurenceb> anyone here know how to use sed properly?
[12:52] <Laurenceb> sed -n '/0.0/=' tst.txt | head
[12:52] <Laurenceb> 1
[12:52] <Laurenceb> 4
[12:52] <Laurenceb> head "tst.txt"
[12:52] <Laurenceb> 2012-12-10T08:47:23
[12:52] <Laurenceb> ^the hell
[12:55] <UpuWork> hi Navrac_Work
[12:57] <Navrac_Work> hiya - cct as promised
[12:58] <eroomde> magsafe cables
[12:58] <Laurenceb> oh
[12:58] <Laurenceb> . means any letter
[12:58] <eroomde> also justify themselves when excited black labs come and say hello
[12:58] <Laurenceb> <- noob
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[13:19] <lz1dev> Laurenceb: . means any character
[13:20] <lz1dev> if you want to match . you need to escape it
[13:20] <Laurenceb> yeah fixed it now thanks
[13:20] <lz1dev> <-- regex ninja
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[13:43] <SamSilver> http://vimeo.com/55261886 Near miss by jet aircraft - 2/12/2012
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[13:49] <Laurenceb> "neare"
[13:50] <Laurenceb> http://sourceforge.net/projects/linuxorg/ <- lmao
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[17:24] <Laurenceb> eroomde: http://i.imgur.com/iEY4s.png
[17:24] <Laurenceb> it works XD
[17:25] <Laurenceb> green = stepper commands, red=measured pressure
[17:25] <Laurenceb> setpoint is going up in steps
[17:25] <Laurenceb> takes a little while to learn about the target properties then it starts working really well
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[17:36] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[17:36] <Lunar_Lander> http://s.gullipics.com/image/4/2/h/5yvn3b-jhexp7-mtrf/IMG6308.jpeg system changed
[17:38] <x-f> hi, Lunar
[17:39] <x-f> tried it yet?
[17:42] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[17:42] <Lunar_Lander> gets lock quite quick
[17:42] <Lunar_Lander> wait
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[17:42] <Lunar_Lander> I restarted it once outside
[17:42] <Lunar_Lander> it needed one string, i.e. 10 seconds to get lock
[17:43] <x-f> sounds goods
[17:43] <x-f> what is that red PCB?
[17:44] <Lunar_Lander> the one down below? that's the arduino pro mega 3.3V
[17:45] <x-f> oh, right, you were using the mega
[17:45] <stilldavid> Lunar_Lander: just put this up: http://www.flickr.com/photos/stilldavid/8266536881/
[17:45] <stilldavid> was my last flight computer
[17:45] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[17:45] <stilldavid> and the bottom is the next pic
[17:45] <Lunar_Lander> I see two arduinos, NTX2 HX1, Venus GPS and BMP085
[17:46] <Lunar_Lander> and lipoly stepups
[17:46] <Lunar_Lander> so it does APRS and RTTY?
[17:46] <stilldavid> yeah, lots of sparkfun parts :)
[17:46] <Lunar_Lander> yea :)
[17:46] <stilldavid> yup, does both
[17:46] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[17:46] <Lunar_Lander> the bottom wiring looks quite like you can see where everything goes
[17:47] <stilldavid> yeah, I just used a lot of wire wrap to keep it simple.
[17:47] <stilldavid> not the most permanent way, but it worked well
[17:47] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[17:47] <Lunar_Lander> stilldavid, one moment
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[17:50] <Lunar_Lander> stilldavid, you surely remember my homemade JPEG trigger?
[17:50] <Lunar_Lander> http://s.gullipics.com/image/i/k/9/5yvn3b-jheynk-rs2b/IMG6310.jpeg
[17:51] <x-f> mm, spagetti
[17:52] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[18:03] <stilldavid> oh, wow Lunar_Lander
[18:03] <stilldavid> that's ... wow.
[18:03] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:03] <stilldavid> don't you at least have another color of wire? :P
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[18:04] <arko> morning
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[18:07] <Lunar_Lander> stilldavid, I got some black-white wire and white wire
[18:07] <Lunar_Lander> the other "wire" I have in some seven colors is not as stiff as this one
[18:08] <Lunar_Lander> it's bunched conductor
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[18:19] <daveake> Buy some. At least have red for power and black for gnd and yellow for everything else
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[18:35] <Lunar_Lander> OK dave
[18:43] <arko> has anyone used dishes during a chase?
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[18:47] <eroomde> arko: they snap off
[18:47] <eroomde> you've seen that scene in return of the jedi
[18:47] <eroomde> just like that
[18:47] <arko> haha
[18:47] <eroomde> except replace death star with branches
[18:47] <arko> not on the car!
[18:47] <eroomde> :)
[18:47] <eroomde> oh
[18:47] <arko> omg a hab in the shape of a death star
[18:47] <arko> but yeah, i was thinking ground
[18:48] <arko> for telemetery
[18:48] <arko> not flight critical
[18:48] <arko> maybe it transmitting video or something
[18:48] <arko> i dunno
[18:52] <eroomde> sure why not?
[18:52] <eroomde> if the wavelength is high enough for it to be worth it over a yagi
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[18:58] <__red__> arko: funny you should mention that
[18:58] <__red__> arko: We've been prototyping doing that
[18:58] <arko> heh
[18:58] <arko> i was thinking about practicing telecom you would have with a cubesat
[18:58] <arko> test the radio and communication system
[18:59] <__red__> arko: specifically, mounting a dish on an alt-az mount, then doing the math to deternmine alt-az from current position
[18:59] <arko> before it goes up in space
[18:59] <arko> nice
[18:59] <Lunar_Lander> hi mclane
[18:59] <Lunar_Lander> got a short question
[18:59] <arko> i would just make a tool that takes in the position of dish and gps+alt
[18:59] <__red__> then wild-hair kicked in and toyed with the idea of using sensors on it so it could be mounted on a moving vehicle
[18:59] <arko> of the craft
[18:59] <arko> hah!
[18:59] <mclane> hi lunar
[18:59] <__red__> so as you turned a corner, the dish would still continue to track
[19:00] <Lunar_Lander> mclane, how much time wanted DFS from application for NOTAM until flight?
[19:00] <Lunar_Lander> two weeks?
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[19:01] <mclane> 2 weeks is the "official" delay
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[19:02] <mclane> normally we announced 2 dates ahead of time and fixed the final date about one week before the launch
[19:02] <mclane> that was acceptable for them
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[19:03] <mclane> however, we had to go through DFS Munich since we are close to a military training ground
[19:03] <mclane> details see www.pirnay.com
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[19:15] <Lunar_Lander> thanks mclane
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[20:17] <fsphil> a polystyrene box would be pretty bad for static electricity wouldn't it?
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[20:20] <lz1dev> it would be pretty good i think
[20:21] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: spray it with antistatic polish
[20:22] <fsphil> good, as in not bad? :)
[20:22] <fsphil> I mean bad in a payload-killing sense
[20:22] <fsphil> oooh
[20:22] <SpeedEvil> furniture polish works well
[20:22] <SpeedEvil> or soy sauce
[20:22] <fsphil> I have a polish for pcbs
[20:23] <lz1dev> soy sauce? really?
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[20:23] <SpeedEvil> in principle, sure
[20:23] <SpeedEvil> ionic salty liquid
[20:23] <SpeedEvil> I would not generally recommend
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[20:25] <fsphil> I may just put the pcb into a box
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[20:31] <Upu> evening
[20:32] <fsphil> all my previous boxes have had the pcb sitting flat against the polystyrene, so possibly I've been lucky or the parts I'm using are just not as likely to break
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[20:35] <jcoxon> evening all
[20:36] <fsphil> howdys
[20:36] <jcoxon> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/12343_trj001.gif
[20:37] <fsphil> nice track
[20:38] <Upu> Brian's going to love that
[20:38] <Upu> evening
[20:39] <daveake> I was in Denmark last week ... poor timing on my part :)
[20:40] <jcoxon> Upu, with the latest pAva board does it measure input voltage
[20:41] <Upu> should do
[20:41] <Upu> err sec let me grab the Eagle
[20:41] <Upu> R7 ?
[20:41] <jcoxon> yeah
[20:41] <Upu> anything on R6 . R8 ?
[20:42] <jcoxon> oh
[20:42] <jcoxon> wait let me look
[20:42] <Upu> R6 is by VCC, R8 is to the right of that
[20:43] <jcoxon> yes 6 and 8
[20:43] <Upu> should work then
[20:43] <jcoxon> you know which pin?
[20:43] <Upu> A0
[20:43] <jcoxon> okay cool
[20:43] <Upu> let me see if I have the code as sent
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> jcoxon, cool
[20:44] <Upu> I can't recall what I put on there
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> do you think the circumnavigation you posted recently would be possible with the experience we have now?
[20:44] <Upu> but would imagine its a voltage divider that can turn up to 5.5v in down to 1.8v
[20:45] <Upu> just read the raw in and work out what the multiplier is
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[20:46] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander, possibly
[20:48] <jcoxon> tracking would be a challenge
[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> what about the Iridium thing daveake used?
[20:49] <jcoxon> i'd want to avoid russia
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[20:51] <Upu> We have a few people doing HAB over there
[20:51] <Upu> not seen any of them come on here
[20:51] <Upu> do tell them about it though
[20:51] <Upu> Lunar_Lander the Iridium is relatively heavy and expensive
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:51] <fsphil> and power hungry
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> there was one Russian here IIRC
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> he was from st petersburg I think
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[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> I am a bit amazed at the EDGE people in Colorado
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> they have their own Cessna to chase balloons
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[21:08] <radim_OM2AMR> fsphil, it seems it works ! :-) http://tiamat.habhub.org/
[21:08] <radim_OM2AMR> now it's time to automatize it :-)
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[21:10] <Lunar_Lander> hello radim_OM2AMR
[21:10] <Upu> thats a Pi :)
[21:10] <radim_OM2AMR> yeah :-)
[21:11] <fsphil> nice one radim_OM2AMR
[21:12] <radim_OM2AMR> I tried 600 Bd also, but I'm afraid there will be large packet loss airborne
[21:12] <craag> On the subject of DSSTV, does it work well with 600 baud?
[21:12] <radim_OM2AMR> fsphil, thanks to you :-)
[21:12] <craag> Ah, I guess so! Cool.
[21:12] <fsphil> you seem to be dropping a few packets radim_OM2AMR
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[21:13] <fsphil> Tim did 1200 for a few images, which sort of worked
[21:13] <Upu> oh
[21:13] <fsphil> that's pushing it a bit too far for 10mw though
[21:13] <Upu> I just noticed you're overlaying info
[21:13] <radim_OM2AMR> yes, I have complicated setup here, FCD in WIN virtual machine
[21:13] <Upu> that is an awesome idea
[21:13] <Upu> I suggested that :)
[21:14] <fsphil> lol
[21:14] <Upu> daveake take note!
[21:14] <lz1dev> is the overlay live?
[21:14] <daveake> Yeah I thought of that :)
[21:14] <Upu> I also suggested you could use the compass in the GPS to indicate the direction the photo was taken in
[21:14] <mattbrejza> i would have thought 600 baud would work fine at a decent altitude - perhaps a fldigi issue rather than too noisy?
[21:14] <fsphil> 600 isn't too bad, but 1200 only just fits in fldigi's window
[21:14] <daveake> I thought it best to just send the image. Overlays can be added after
[21:14] <radim_OM2AMR> lz1dev, overlay is made during photo take
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> radim_OM2AMR, http://s.gullipics.com/image/f/y/y/5yvn3b-jhexkz-vemz/IMG6306.jpeg
[21:15] <radim_OM2AMR> daveake, I'm think so also
[21:15] <lz1dev> i agree with daveak, send overlay info
[21:16] <lz1dev> as data, rather than in the image
[21:16] <daveake> I did think of flying on Mrs Dave's birthday, and overlaying one image with a suitable message :)
[21:16] <lz1dev> http://tiamat.habhub.org/images/2012-12-12--20-27-19-STS-2-29.jpeg?u=62
[21:16] <lz1dev> case and point
[21:16] <Upu> I think your payload container needs work Lunar_Lander, office chairs don't make good ones
[21:16] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> yeah it gets transplanted into the orange container
[21:17] <radim_OM2AMR> Lunar_Lander, oh I see better GPS module orientation
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> http://s.gullipics.com/image/4/2/h/5yvn3b-jhexp7-mtrf/IMG6308.jpeg
[21:18] <daveake> That looks a bit .... delicate
[21:18] <Upu> all those things that are dangling out I hope your code works if you pull them out
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> if a sensor misses it just says 0.00
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> for example
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[21:19] <Upu> ok
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> I could try to solder in the barometer though
[21:19] <daveake> good. they're going to fall out
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> ok
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> so I'll go ahead and solder everything in?
[21:19] <daveake> You need to good packaging for that
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> I think soldering in is OK
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> as this is our base board
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> so to speak
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> the NTX2 is soldered in solid as well now
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> what would you suggest for the temperature and humidity sensor though? they have long wires with pins to plug in
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[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> i.e. the sensors on the photo are only plugged in for demonstration
[21:23] <Lunar_Lander> can you give me a suggestion please?
[21:26] <daveake> Headers are OK but not ideal (don't lock ; aren't polarised) for remote sensors
[21:27] <daveake> But please please please don't the GPS on one like that
[21:27] <daveake> Just do a mind experiment about how well it will survive being thrown down the stairs
[21:27] <fsphil> hadie:1 used standard headers, and they all disconnected after landing
[21:27] <fsphil> they so need a lock
[21:28] <Lunar_Lander> daveake, yea
[21:29] <Lunar_Lander> I'll solder it down tomorrow
[21:29] <Lunar_Lander> what do you suggest for the external DS18B20 and the HIH-4030 instead of headers?
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[21:31] <radim_OM2AMR> Lunar, I used 6 pin 2 rows header for that sensors, it survived landing also, but GPS and SD logger were soldered
[21:31] <radim_OM2AMR> I used same baro sensor like you
[21:31] <Lunar_Lander> OK, but you didn't just plug them in?
[21:32] <radim_OM2AMR> no, I soldered them to cable
[21:32] <Lunar_Lander> yes
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[21:32] <radim_OM2AMR> and internal temperature sensor was soldered on board
[21:32] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[21:32] <Lunar_Lander> so you had like the DS18B20 on one end of the cable
[21:32] <Lunar_Lander> and the other end had headers?
[21:33] <radim_OM2AMR> yes, two rows 6 pin header
[21:34] <Lunar_Lander> ah
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[21:42] <radim_OM2AMR> Lunar - see here http://stsproject.net/?attachment_id=36#prettyPhoto
[21:42] <navrac> ping upu
[21:42] <Upu> evening
[21:42] <radim_OM2AMR> everything was tied in the box then
[21:43] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[21:43] <navrac> I dont want to be a painbut i think the original pulling circuit withthe op ampismuch better thsan the revised one isent this morning
[21:43] <Upu> no problems I can redo
[21:43] <navrac> sorry about that
[21:43] <Upu> not a problem at all
[21:44] <Upu> let me see if I can find the original one
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[21:44] <navrac> at low clock speeds the capacitance required to damp the pwm mucks up the crystal oscillator
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[21:44] <Lunar_Lander> radim_OM2AMR, looks good
[21:44] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/ZgJmL.png this one ?
[21:45] <navrac> oh and you were right -writing on the waterfall has been done :-(
[21:45] <navrac> yes that looks right
[21:46] <Upu> ok I'll do that tomorrow
[21:46] <arko> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AItz8GcYx60
[21:46] <arko> wow thats cool
[21:46] <arko> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/3Ring_release_animation.gif
[21:46] <Upu> http://www.moillusions.com/wp-content/uploads/photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5639/2020/400/aphex.1.jpg
[21:47] <fsphil> that's really neat
[21:47] <fsphil> and so simple!
[21:47] <arko> the mechanism is brilliant
[21:47] <arko> each ring holding a percent of the others
[21:48] <navrac> I was going to do a quick pico launch just off channel from jcoxons with a happy xmas message
[21:48] <arko> only need a few pounds to pull it
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[21:50] <jcoxon> navrac, wanna come launching on saturday?
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[21:51] <navrac> If I'm free I'd love to - have to ask the wife first if I'm busy or not!
[21:51] <jcoxon> :-)
[21:51] <jcoxon> it'll be weather dependent too
[21:52] <navrac> rather changeable weather coming up
[21:54] <jcoxon> yes
[21:55] <jcoxon> we might have more then one pico on sat
[21:55] <jcoxon> i think steve has something
[21:55] <jcoxon> and potentially number10 too
[21:55] <number10> :)
[21:57] <navrac> what time are you thinking of launching?
[21:57] <jcoxon> again weather dependent but ideally 1100
[21:57] <jcoxon> or 1400
[21:57] <jcoxon> i don't mind
[21:57] <jcoxon> 1400 might be better
[21:57] <navrac> I'll check with the boss when she gets back
[21:58] <Upu> ping astrodog
[21:58] <Upu> should be fun
[21:58] <Upu> send some up north pls
[22:00] <navrac> if i can get my ascii to waterfall code working I'll bring one too
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[22:00] <fsphil> spectrascii
[22:01] <navrac> yep
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[22:01] <navrac> if thatswhat its called
[22:01] <navrac> a good name if it isnt that
[22:08] <jcoxon> this is 120hrs forecast for a sat launch
[22:08] <jcoxon> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/17351_trj001.gif
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[22:17] <arko> are there any gifs or jpegs or anything else of weather data that update like each hour?
[22:17] <arko> from noaa or someone?
[22:17] <arko> real time winds
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[22:44] <Laurenceb_> heading to zyp?
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[22:51] <zyp> huh?
[22:57] <jcoxon> arko, a few places to look
[22:57] <jcoxon> check out the model maps on wunderground
[22:57] <jcoxon> also for high alt winds see here:
[22:57] <jcoxon> http://nstar.org/GFS/10mb/
[22:59] <Laurenceb_> zyp: http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/17351_trj001.gif
[23:00] <zyp> too far east
[23:01] <jcoxon> zyp, where you based?
[23:01] <zyp> almost the south tip of norway
[23:01] <jcoxon> that prediction will vary a bit
[23:01] <zyp> unfortunately I don't have a receiver or anything, so I wouldn't be able to pick up anything anyway
[23:01] <jcoxon> dependent on launch times
[23:02] <jcoxon> zyp, want an ezcap?
[23:02] <zyp> I've been meaning to get something like that, but I haven't had time to look into it yet
[23:03] <jcoxon> i'm not sure i could get to a post office to send you one in time...
[23:03] <jcoxon> zyp, you around on sat evening/sun morning?
[23:04] <jcoxon> might need help with getting people to listen out for it
[23:05] <zyp> I don't have any plans yet, so it's quite possible I'm around
[23:05] <Laurenceb_> http://hackaday.com/2012/12/12/observe-a-satellites-morse-code-message-today/
[23:06] <jcoxon> zyp, cool
[23:06] <jcoxon> well lets see
[23:06] <jcoxon> we might not even get the flight off the ground...
[23:06] <zyp> but I don't know how much help I can be, I don't really have any connections with hams
[23:06] <Laurenceb_> hehe
[23:07] <jcoxon> oh wel'll work it
[23:07] <jcoxon> out
[23:08] <Laurenceb_> http://www.satflare.com/track.html?q=38853#MAP
[23:08] <Laurenceb_> looks exciting
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[23:11] <fsphil> cloudy here tonight, no chance of seeing it
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