[00:00] <esculca> i understand
[00:00] <esculca> but still, you will learn a lot buy using the Yaesu
[00:01] <esculca> if someone is selling one (cheap!!) pelase let me know
[00:02] <gonzo_> quite a few of the HAB community are radio amateurs anyway, so tend to but transcivers
[00:03] <gonzo_> and a few have got their amareur licences as a result of getting into radio via HAB
[00:03] <gonzo_> but in that case the 817 is a good choice
[00:04] <esculca> do you knowanyone that wants to see one?
[00:07] <fsphil> that pretty much describes me gonzo_
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[00:08] <Lunar_Lander> gonzo_, dang, sorry
[00:08] <Lunar_Lander> http://ukhas.org.uk/_detail/guides:ft817.jpg?id=guides%3Alinkingarduinotontx2
[00:08] <gonzo_> it's odd how we get introduced to hobbies
[00:08] <Lunar_Lander> it actually says in the title
[00:08] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[00:08] <gonzo_> yep that's the one LL
[00:08] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[00:08] <Lunar_Lander> I got a 790
[00:08] <fsphil> modified 817
[00:08] <gonzo_> ft817 of ond flavour
[00:08] <gonzo_> one
[00:08] <Lunar_Lander> but I am FT-790R
[00:09] <Lunar_Lander> but I don't know if it is the II or not
[00:09] <Lunar_Lander> because I think I saw one that looked older from the front panel design
[00:10] <gonzo_> the mk2 had, from mem, a line of buttons. The mk1 had a bank of 6 (or was it 8) in a square bext to the VFO knob
[00:10] <gonzo_> I had a few ft290's a while ago
[00:11] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[00:11] <gonzo_> old tech, but work well. And have the advantage of very low current draw on RX, so will work on theinternal batts foir ages
[00:11] <Lunar_Lander> I got the one with the 8 buttons
[00:11] <gonzo_> the 817 internal batts are a waste of time#
[00:11] <Lunar_Lander> yeah that is true
[00:12] <Lunar_Lander> I ran mine for 38 hours and some more during my duration test
[00:12] <Lunar_Lander> now the batts are empty
[00:12] <Lunar_Lander> simple C size alkalines
[00:12] <fsphil> the 790 runs for ages
[00:12] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[00:12] <fsphil> it's why I still have one
[00:12] <gonzo_> 817 won't last 38mins
[00:12] <fsphil> welllll
[00:12] <fsphil> a few hours at least
[00:12] <fsphil> if you don't tx
[00:12] <gonzo_> mine don't
[00:13] <fsphil> hmm.. mine last a few hours
[00:13] <gonzo_> will take them out and pit sweeties in there, more useful
[00:13] <fsphil> indeed
[00:13] <fsphil> pack it full of lipos
[00:14] <gonzo_> lipo's don't have useful voltages. I have some in a dia cast ali box with a switching reg
[00:15] <fsphil> three in series might do
[00:15] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[00:15] <Lunar_Lander> that reminds me of a tip from years ago
[00:15] <Lunar_Lander> if you don't like people smoking in your car, put sweets into the ashtray
[00:16] <fsphil> or don't let them in your car
[00:16] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[00:16] <gonzo_> rremove that ashtray and put something more useful in the place
[00:17] <fsphil> it's my money box
[00:17] <gonzo_> car park change
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[00:19] <gonzo_> I went for 2cell and a switcher up to 11v or 13.8v (selectable)
[00:20] <gonzo_> took a bit of work to quieten down the rf noise
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[00:38] <arko> eroomde: ok i agree, Jonathan Amos is a great journalist
[00:38] <arko> i keep clicking on cool bbc stories which happen to be written by him
[00:39] <arko> never noticed
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[00:48] <Lunar_Lander> time for good night :)
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[07:22] <nosebleedkt> riding motors in winters is epix
[07:25] <radim_OM2AMR> :-) the car is also enough epix
[07:25] <radim_OM2AMR> morning
[07:25] <nosebleedkt> lol
[07:25] <nosebleedkt> moring
[07:25] <nosebleedkt> morning
[07:27] <x-f> morning
[07:27] <radim_OM2AMR> such "early" snow is always great suprise for Slovak road services&
[07:28] <x-f> haha
[07:28] <arko> eroomde: you around?
[07:29] <x-f> radim_OM2AMR, we have the same "winter problem" here too - seems like nobody expects the snow in late november
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[07:30] <radim_OM2AMR> x-f, do you have late november ? we have december already :-D but I understand..
[07:31] <x-f> :)
[07:32] <nosebleedkt> santa-clause is coming
[07:34] <x-f> ooh
[07:35] <x-f> this year i wish for a spectrograph and a permission from CAA to launch
[07:36] <radim_OM2AMR> :-) and all that wasted Helium from redbull stratos
[07:37] <SamSilver> i wish for a meduim size loto win
[07:41] <arko> anyone who has time to look at this: http://wiki.032.la/nsl/Thermal_Vac_Chamber
[07:41] <arko> it's an idea right now, i did some very basic modeling
[07:41] <Dan-K2VOL> you don't really need the vac
[07:41] <Dan-K2VOL> just use dry ice
[07:42] <arko> i want to see the thermal properties of not having convection for heat exchange
[07:42] <Dan-K2VOL> put a block of dry ice in a styrofoam cooler with a little PC fan and your parts will be at 60C in less than an hour
[07:42] <Dan-K2VOL> ah
[07:43] <arko> cooling im not so worried about
[07:43] <Dan-K2VOL> you'll need to add in solar radiation and IR radiation from the ground if you want to really
[07:43] <arko> the vac and cooling at the same time can answer a lot of questions
[07:44] <Dan-K2VOL> unless you have the solar and earth inputs, they won't answer the questions adequately as a flight will
[07:45] <SamSilver> arko: you will need elec connection to inside the box that will not leak air in (wires can let air in through the core)
[07:45] <arko> solar and earth inputs?
[07:46] <SamSilver> i would be keen to see the results .... some graphs and shit
[07:46] <arko> SamSilver: yeah, i have a connectors
[07:46] <arko> yeah, right now i haven't worked the details
[07:46] <arko> but it's definitly getting plotted real time
[07:46] <arko> and logged
[07:46] <arko> data is everything
[07:46] <SamSilver> kewl
[07:48] <Dan-K2VOL> infrared radiation input from the sun and the earth are the major factors in heating a payload, since convection/conduction is essentially nonexistent at float
[07:48] <arko> yeah
[07:48] <arko> i've been thinking about IR
[07:48] <arko> i know it's very important
[07:48] <arko> it's just a 'how' at this point
[07:49] <UpuWork> morning all
[07:49] <arko> morning UPU
[07:50] <Dan-K2VOL> morning
[07:50] <SamSilver> oohh nice motor and shock diamonds http://www.spl.ch/products/index.html
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[07:56] <UpuWork> ping KT5TK
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[08:34] <fsphil> nice cresent moon this-morning
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[08:34] <costyn> morning
[08:34] <fsphil> mornin
[08:34] <costyn> fsphil: far too overcast here to see any sky
[08:37] <UpuWork> yes with Venus close to it
[08:38] <UpuWork> is it venus ?
[08:39] <fsphil> yea
[08:39] <fsphil> mercury is lower down but I'm not able to see it
[08:39] <fsphil> I think it gets closer to venus later in the month
[08:41] Action: fsphil fires up stellarium
[08:41] <costyn> fsphil: nice tool innit?
[08:41] <fsphil> very
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[08:44] <costyn> celestia is also fun, but more of a gimmick than that it's really useful
[08:46] <costyn> I have to try the fictional addons someday, like ringworld or the star wars universe
[08:57] <DrLuke> lol
[08:58] <x-f> tricky XKCD this morning
[08:59] <costyn> x-f: do you know the answer?
[09:00] <x-f> costyn, it required a lot of googling, but i think i found it
[09:00] <x-f> 1) as the violet lightwaves are shorter than blue, they get scattered even higher in the atmosphere
[09:01] <x-f> 2) cones in our eyes are less responsive to violet color
[09:02] <x-f> so the sky is more violet than we see, but i still appears blue to us
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[09:02] <Dan-K2VOL> could also be due to harmonic absorption of the violet by ozone
[09:02] <x-f> see "Why not violet?" section for more information - http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/General/BlueSky/blue_sky.html
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[09:05] <costyn> x-f: and camera sensors have been tuned to represent our eyes? I would think it would look more violet there?
[09:07] <radim_OM2AMR> fsphil, may I have one "morning" question regarding SSDV ? :-)
[09:07] <x-f> costyn, hmm..
[09:08] <fsphil> can ask as many as you want radim_OM2AMR :)
[09:08] <radim_OM2AMR> :-) thanks
[09:09] <radim_OM2AMR> I'm trying to send converted packet through RTTY and not seeing anything in SSDV RX window
[09:09] <fsphil> if the ozone layer is at 20-30km (wikipedia) wouldn't a balloon at 40km see a dark violet sky?
[09:09] <radim_OM2AMR> is there any other settings in fl-digi necessary ?
[09:09] <fsphil> converted?
[09:10] <radim_OM2AMR> I took jpeg, ran it through ssdv tobinary format
[09:10] <fsphil> ah you're using the current version of dl-fldigi
[09:10] <fsphil> there was a last minute change to the format
[09:10] <radim_OM2AMR> I can see 256 bytes chunks in hexa, divided by start header
[09:11] <fsphil> can you show me a screenshot?
[09:11] <Dan-K2VOL> not much air to scatter any light at that altitude fsphil
[09:11] <fsphil> true
[09:12] <fsphil> although nearer the horizon might still be enough
[09:12] <radim_OM2AMR> fsphil, I'm using 3.21.50 version, unfortunatelly I haven't screenshot now
[09:12] <fsphil> radim_OM2AMR: windows?
[09:12] <radim_OM2AMR> Mac and Win, same behavior
[09:13] <costyn> x-f: :)
[09:13] <fsphil> you'll need to build a version from source, unless someone has a more recent .exe already compiled?
[09:13] <radim_OM2AMR> I'm just sending the first one / packet for test, I hope I can see the first chunk, isn't ?
[09:14] <fsphil> yea
[09:14] <fsphil> but you'll need to build from source
[09:14] <radim_OM2AMR> OK, so I'll try to compile it from latest source tonight
[09:14] <radim_OM2AMR> thanks !
[09:14] <fsphil> I made the checksum bigger just after the last dl-fldigi was released
[09:16] <radim_OM2AMR> is there in dl-fldigi any info, that received packet has wrong checksum ?
[09:17] <fsphil> nope. there's no way for it to identify a packet unless the checksum passes
[09:17] <fsphil> if you upload a recording of it I can run it on my laptop
[09:18] <radim_OM2AMR> ok, so in case checksum is correct, I have to see something in RX window
[09:18] <fsphil> yes
[09:19] <radim_OM2AMR> great, I'll try it at home :-)
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[10:12] <eroomde> arko: i am aroun d now
[10:12] <eroomde> sorry was not yesterday
[10:12] <eroomde> was with jcoxon most of the day doing things unrelated to hab
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[10:35] <Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/pQT0l.jpg
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[10:37] <costyn> Laurenceb: this is frightning
[10:37] <Darkside> totally realistic
[10:37] <Darkside> amirite?
[10:38] <Laurenceb> lol @ freebsd.org
[10:38] <costyn> heh... GIF masquerading as a JPG
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[11:33] <griffonbot> Received email: PhilipM "[UKHAS] Re: Free Sugru x5"
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[11:49] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: had you seen the data level attack paper mentioned OK n Slashdot of GPS?
[11:49] <Laurenceb> yes
[11:49] <SpeedEvil> funky
[11:49] <Laurenceb> its pretty obvious really
[11:49] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[11:49] <costyn> link?
[11:50] <Laurenceb> we often used to do similar stuff with simulators and amplifiers at work
[11:50] <SpeedEvil> I'd not considered the effects of screwing up the receiver badly enough to crash them
[11:50] <SpeedEvil> but data level attacks are quite obvious
[11:51] <SpeedEvil> I wonder if patches to ntpd are coming down the pipe
[11:52] <SpeedEvil> http://it.slashdot.org/story/12/12/10/0012217/researchers-find-crippling-flaws-in-global-gps costyn
[11:54] <costyn> SpeedEvil: thank
[11:54] <costyn> s
[12:01] <Laurenceb> lol
[12:01] <Laurenceb> "find crippling flaws"
[12:03] <Armand> "unamed drones" Rodney will be pissed. -_-
[12:03] <russss> global GPS
[12:03] <russss> global GPS system
[12:03] <mfa298> nice one about the device that stores the data to flash and has a divide by zero error.
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[12:04] <SpeedEvil> indeed
[12:04] <mfa298> good lesson on never trusting input data until youve checked it.
[12:05] <SpeedEvil> sanity checking almanac and ephemirides is a lot of work
[12:05] <SpeedEvil> basic range checks would be easier though
[12:05] <mfa298> although >0 might seem like a useful check expecially if you're going to divide by that value
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[12:07] <gonzo_> there are commercial record/replay units avail now, intended for bench testing of GPS units. But not much req to make them useable as jammers
[12:08] <mfa298> So how long until some media mogul spends some money on breaking some recievers (Random 007 Reference)
[12:16] <gonzo_> wondered when someone would mention that!
[12:17] <gonzo_> we know that simple jamming is easy. Even unintentionally.
[12:18] <gonzo_> and with the availability of GPS repeater kit, it won't be long before jamming blackspots start appearing
[12:19] <gonzo_> There have been documented issues of amplified TV antennas going rogue and causing long term probs
[12:19] <Darkside> what will be interesting is the effect on STM networks
[12:19] <Darkside> well
[12:19] <Darkside> on whatever networks that use GPS timing
[12:19] <Darkside> they usually have about 2 days after the gps died before the rubidium or cesium standard they use gets far enough out for the optical connection to die
[12:20] <gonzo_> I know that tetra use gps locking in the uk, but it is robust enough to cope with loss of that
[12:20] <Darkside> im thinking more high speed fibre networks
[12:20] <SpeedEvil> assuming that the GPS can't be used to pull the rb standard out
[12:21] <Darkside> well this is what i mean
[12:21] <Darkside> all the sites are locked to gps
[12:21] <Darkside> if gps goes away, all the standards will start drifting off
[12:21] <gonzo_> slowly drift the clock (back to the 007 references)
[12:21] <Darkside> i've been told by a network engineer that 2 days without gps will kill a a base station here
[12:21] <Darkside> well, n one of the networks in australia anyway
[12:22] <gonzo_> more damaging are probably going to be the unintentional (or intentional, buit with collatoral damage) jamming
[12:23] <gonzo_> lots of cases of jammers intended to stop spy in the cab boxes, causing probs that the owner were oblivious to
[12:24] <gonzo_> these gps repeaters have the added risk that, having filters in them, if they are going to hoot, it's far more likely it will do so on gps freqs
[12:25] <gonzo_> thet are now licencable, but lots of people install them oblivious to the legalities
[12:26] <gonzo_> (Our work had one, till they were informeed. And that was professionally installed, the co who specialised in that had no idea it was not legal, or were being selectivly forgetful!)
[12:27] <mfa298> I get the impression a lot of people work on the principle that "I can buy it therefore is must be legal to use" especially for anything radio related.
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[12:43] <gonzo_> yep, wireless is just magic, they don't have any concept of controls
[12:44] <gonzo_> also if it says on the box that this thing will work up to 300mtrs, they think it will actually do that, and flawlessly
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[13:03] <griffonbot> Received email: mitul shukla "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Free Sugru x5"
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[13:59] <UpuWork> ping KT5TK
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[14:20] <dharnke> hi upu
[14:20] <UpuWork> hi dharnke
[14:20] <UpuWork> hows the SDR going ?
[14:21] <dharnke> its going good, just wanting help on outputting data on dl-fldigi
[14:21] <UpuWork> ok did you get it appearing on the SDR ?
[14:21] <dharnke> yep
[14:21] <UpuWork> oh sorted
[14:22] <UpuWork> ok fire up a join.me if you want
[14:22] <dharnke> join me on 337258595
[14:22] <fsphil> I do wish they'd make a linux version of that :)
[14:22] <fsphil> and one with voice support
[14:22] <UpuWork> setup.exe
[14:22] <UpuWork> life is more simple
[14:23] <fsphil> yum install :)
[14:23] <UpuWork> warning dependancy....
[14:23] <fsphil> has never happened
[14:23] <UpuWork> ok cool so zoom in on that signal dharnke
[14:23] <UpuWork> ok so if you turn the NTX2 off that disppaears ?
[14:24] <UpuWork> yep
[14:24] <UpuWork> ok
[14:24] <UpuWork> is it just doing high/lo or hopefully TXing RTTY ?
[14:24] <dharnke> rtty
[14:24] <UpuWork> ok
[14:24] <UpuWork> whats the sound output set too ?
[14:24] <UpuWork> VAC
[14:24] <UpuWork> ok
[14:24] <UpuWork> right
[14:24] <UpuWork> the dl-fldigi
[14:25] <UpuWork> open the HAB one
[14:25] <UpuWork> not that
[14:25] <UpuWork> ok
[14:25] <UpuWork> configiure ->sound cards
[14:25] <UpuWork> ok
[14:25] <UpuWork> looks fine
[14:26] <UpuWork> go back to the SDR
[14:26] <UpuWork> ah
[14:26] <UpuWork> lol
[14:26] <UpuWork> change filer bandwidth from 10 (!) to 3000
[14:26] <UpuWork> bandwidth not order
[14:27] <UpuWork> right move the grey bar over the peak so the peak is in the middle
[14:27] <__red__> speaking of, anyone used SDR for payload transmissions?
[14:27] <UpuWork> zoom in a bit more
[14:27] <UpuWork> peak in the middle of the grey filter
[14:27] <UpuWork> no :)
[14:27] <UpuWork> further left
[14:27] <costyn> __red__: afaik we all do. RTTY is defined in software. But maybe that's not what you meant
[14:27] <UpuWork> bingo
[14:27] <UpuWork> no
[14:28] <UpuWork> left :)
[14:28] <UpuWork> more left
[14:28] <costyn> UpuWork: PM?
[14:28] <UpuWork> lol
[14:28] <UpuWork> yes sorry
[14:28] <dharnke> sorry
[14:28] <dharnke> the red line or grey bar?
[14:28] <gonzo_> thought he was going mad and talking to himself
[14:30] <UpuWork> just getting carried away sorry
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[17:25] <Dan-K2VOL> woo the EEPROMex library rocks
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[18:15] <jarod> Darkside
[18:15] <jarod> using konig 1200b cable instead of rg58
[18:15] <jarod> a better adsb.exe (from sdr# guys)
[18:16] <jarod> result for the awesome groundplane antenna:
[18:16] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/virtual-radar-server-adsb-working.jpg
[18:16] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/ads-b-antenna-groundplane.jpg (put up on 4x120cm mast, fiberglas, above the roof) :D
[18:21] <Gadget-Mac> jarod: Nice :)
[18:23] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/planeplotter-adsb-working.jpg
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[18:49] <MNSP> Hello All :-)
[18:51] <nigelvh> Howdy
[18:52] <fsphil> hi hi
[18:52] <MNSP> I know, I've been off the radar so long I may as well be new ;-)
[18:53] <fsphil> I recognise the letters :)
[18:53] <nigelvh> Happens to everyone.
[18:53] <MNSP> My name is MNSP and I'm a lapsed HABer
[18:54] <nigelvh> Hi MNSP
[18:54] <MNSP> LOL, thanks nigelvh and fsphil
[18:55] <nigelvh> You one of the UK crew, or from somewhere else?
[18:56] <MNSP> UK all the way mate
[18:56] Action: fsphil stands up.
[18:56] <fsphil> I've been HAB'ing for a few years now
[18:56] <nigelvh> Then we can't be friends....
[18:56] <MNSP> Shame, but your loss
[18:56] <nigelvh> Nah, I'm one of those damn americans who spell things the american way.
[18:57] <MNSP> :-p
[18:57] <eroomde> his spelling is quite colourful, yup
[18:57] <fsphil> honourable even
[18:57] <nigelvh> I have a unique flavor.
[18:58] <eroomde> tastes a bit like a chambre pot
[18:58] <MNSP> Hello eroomde, how is the rest of his behaviour
[18:58] <arko> this is my favourite conversation
[18:58] <nigelvh> LOL
[18:58] <MNSP> LOL
[18:59] <nigelvh> Yeah, and I say things like "trunk" "hood" "truck" and "chips" (not fries)
[18:59] <arko> holiday
[18:59] <nigelvh> Vacation
[18:59] <eroomde> we say chips too, rather than fries
[18:59] <arko> you guys also drive on the wrong side of the road
[18:59] <eroomde> because they're called chips
[18:59] <MNSP> wouldn't it be chips not crisps
[19:00] <eroomde> crisps are crisps
[19:00] <nigelvh> chips means not fries
[19:00] <eroomde> chips are chips
[19:00] <arko> we call them freedom fries
[19:00] <eroomde> it's really quite simply really
[19:00] <MNSP> LOOOL
[19:00] <drluke> we in germany call it pommes
[19:00] <arko> while we smoke a cigar in our jeans
[19:00] <arko> pom fritz!
[19:00] <eroomde> http://i.imgur.com/uQg4I.jpg
[19:00] <arko> i cant spell in deutch
[19:00] <MNSP> pom bears
[19:00] <arko> eroomde: hahaha
[19:00] <drluke> arko: lol
[19:01] <drluke> did you mean deutsch?
[19:01] Nick change: drluke -> DrLuke
[19:01] <nigelvh> Exactly. I was at the gun range yesterday
[19:01] <arko> haha
[19:01] <arko> yes
[19:01] <eroomde> shootin some injuns?
[19:01] <arko> deutsch
[19:01] <nigelvh> Just some paper unfortunately.
[19:01] Action: Armand circles the wagons!
[19:01] <arko> i was suppose to go to the archery range this weekend :(
[19:01] <arko> nigelvh: what do you shoot?
[19:01] <arko> with*
[19:02] <MNSP> Oi I is an Injun, well you know
[19:02] <DrLuke> probably arrows
[19:02] <eroomde> shooting some ballots votin totin for o'bummer?
[19:02] <eroomde> i am not sure where i'm going with this
[19:02] <nigelvh> Yesterday I was shooting a 9mm. But I also have a .22 rifle and a 12 gauge shotgun.
[19:02] <arko> nice
[19:02] <arko> i got a rebarrelled 308 mauser
[19:02] <eroomde> i can't read '9mm' in the context of a gun without adopting an arnie voice
[19:02] <eroomde> mentally
[19:02] <DrLuke> The biggest gun I've ever been shooting with is my steyr aug airsoft
[19:02] <fsphil> I was with some hunters once, and swore I'd never do it again. it was horrible
[19:02] <arko> looking at getting a 12 gauge
[19:02] <nigelvh> I don't hunt
[19:02] <eroomde> nein mee-lee-mee-TAH
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[19:03] <nigelvh> I just enjoy the marksmanship aspect
[19:03] <arko> fsphil: dont kill things
[19:03] <arko> just shoot targets
[19:03] <arko> it's fun
[19:03] <DrLuke> I want to shoot with a sniper rifle once
[19:03] <MNSP> went clay pigeon shooting once
[19:03] <eroomde> i used to shoot too
[19:03] <DrLuke> on a far away target
[19:03] <eroomde> (targets)
[19:03] <eroomde> was fun
[19:03] <fsphil> maybe, but that put me right off
[19:03] <eroomde> nice way to spend an afternoon
[19:03] <arko> eroomde: rednecks here say it like that
[19:03] <nigelvh> UHMEHRIKUH!!!
[19:03] <arko> it is fun, hunting is kinda stupid
[19:03] <DrLuke> why
[19:03] <nigelvh> Yeah, all I shoot is targets.
[19:04] <DrLuke> it must feel satisfying to kill your own dinner
[19:04] <arko> nah
[19:04] <fsphil> give the animals guns, then it's fair
[19:04] <MNSP> unless you got no food
[19:04] <arko> i can just go to In'N'Out
[19:04] <arko> done
[19:04] <arko> foods ready
[19:04] <arko> why do i need to kill it
[19:04] <DrLuke> let your inner animal hang out once in a while
[19:04] <eroomde> i have no objections to shooting stuff to eat
[19:04] <nigelvh> Personally, I don't have the constitution to do all the gutting and whatnot afterwards, so I won't shoot an animal. Otherwise I like animal meat just fine.
[19:04] <fsphil> eating, and self defence. both fine
[19:04] <arko> i get animal style fries, does that count?
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[19:04] <DrLuke> yeah
[19:05] <arko> i guess the point im trying to make is that Innout is amazing
[19:05] <MNSP> Yeah, kinda like fishermen that eat the fish
[19:05] <DrLuke> kill as long as you actually do something with it
[19:05] <arko> true
[19:05] <nigelvh> Exactly
[19:05] <fsphil> the people I was with didn't
[19:05] <DrLuke> that sucks
[19:05] <arko> thats messed up
[19:05] <MNSP> truly
[19:05] <fsphil> even if they had, still would've put me off
[19:06] <arko> archery is fun though
[19:06] <arko> the websites for bows are weird
[19:06] <arko> they have gallerys of things people have killed
[19:06] <fsphil> cool, it's nearly 12/12/2012 -- a date that works on both sides of the atlantic
[19:07] <arko> :)
[19:07] <MNSP> fsphil ever the diplomat :-)
[19:07] <DrLuke> hah
[19:07] <arko> http://www.hoyt.com/pro_staff/
[19:07] <DrLuke> only 11 more days until the world ends
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[19:07] <DrLuke> finally we can put that bullshit behind us
[19:07] <MNSP> I was just gonna make a mayan referrence
[19:07] <nigelvh> In summary, some of my family hunts, and I'm happy to eat the food. But I just shoot for marksmanship.
[19:08] <arko> ^ smae
[19:08] <arko> same*
[19:08] <arko> man i need better coffee
[19:08] <nigelvh> And yes, I'll be glad to see the mayan crap over, though we all know it won't be, they'll just say, "oh we got the date wrong"
[19:08] <DrLuke> shooting in germany is extremely difficult because guns r bed :(((
[19:08] <arko> eroomde: ship me coffee that doesn't suck
[19:09] <arko> i'll give you money
[19:09] <nigelvh> We are fortunate enough to have some of that stuff in our constitution. However, there's a lot of stigma in cities (where I live).
[19:09] <arko> what state?
[19:09] <DrLuke> murica
[19:09] <nigelvh> Washington
[19:09] <arko> I HATE YOU
[19:09] <arko> im in california :(
[19:09] <nigelvh> Yeah, california is a bit restrictive.
[19:09] <arko> you guys get CCW's
[19:09] <DrLuke> isn't weed legal now in washington?
[19:09] <arko> A bit!?
[19:09] <nigelvh> Yep
[19:10] <arko> time to drive up to meet nigelvh
[19:10] <nigelvh> Weed, CCWs, etc.
[19:10] <arko> haha
[19:10] <nigelvh> Come on up to Seattle
[19:10] <MNSP> I thought it was in two places in the US
[19:10] <arko> and your stupid booze laws went away
[19:10] <arko> with state stores
[19:10] <nigelvh> Washington and Colorado
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[19:10] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[19:10] <arko> nigelvh: you wouldn't happen to know any of the Blacklodge hackerspace people would you?
[19:11] <arko> hello lunarr
[19:11] <MNSP> Hello Lunar_Lander
[19:11] <eroomde> i would have thought you could get good coffee in cali, arko ?
[19:11] <eroomde> otherwise i might not be able to come in feb
[19:11] <nigelvh> No, I don't really frequent any local hackerspaces. I have enough equipment at home to do most everything I need.
[19:11] <arko> we can
[19:11] <eroomde> i don;t function well without it
[19:11] <arko> same
[19:11] <fsphil> I thought you where cutting down eroomde
[19:11] <arko> i got starbucks right now, and its crap
[19:11] <arko> nigelvh: cool
[19:12] <eroomde> fsphil: i am
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[19:12] <arko> a lot of my friends started that space, good people
[19:12] <eroomde> only 4 or 5 cups a day now
[19:12] <MNSP> starbucks is crap though
[19:12] <Lunar_Lander> well, birthday yesterday was good :)
[19:12] <eroomde> hbd ll
[19:12] <arko> eroomde: holy crap dude
[19:12] <MNSP> especially to the UK Taxman
[19:12] <Lunar_Lander> and still sad that Sir Patrick Moore died
[19:12] <arko> thats insane
[19:12] <Lunar_Lander> thanks eroomde
[19:12] <arko> i do 3 max
[19:12] <arko> :( moore
[19:12] <eroomde> arko: i was on about 12 earlier this year
[19:12] <arko> O_O
[19:12] <eroomde> and have been on about 10 triple shots of esperesso per day at some points in uni
[19:12] <nigelvh> Did time slow down for you?
[19:13] <arko> i keep reading those articles as Sir Patrick Stwart
[19:13] <eroomde> oh god
[19:13] <eroomde> and the magical woodland creatures were all very friendly
[19:13] <Lunar_Lander> about before the exam in November I usually drank like 4 cups of coffee per evening
[19:13] <eroomde> but yeah, have cut down a lot now
[19:13] <Lunar_Lander> it had an effect I would say
[19:13] <MNSP> Jeez, thats a lot of espresso
[19:14] <arko> it's like that episode of futurama when fry drinks 100 cups of coffee
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[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> yeah today I only had one cup because we had afternoon cake
[19:15] <nigelvh> I don't drink coffee
[19:15] <eroomde> i have not found that the presence of cake materially effects my coffee consumption rate
[19:15] <arko> i have a cup in the morning
[19:15] <DrLuke> I don't like the taste of coffee
[19:15] <arko> and one in the evening
[19:15] <nigelvh> ^same
[19:15] <nigelvh> to the not liking the taste
[19:15] <eroomde> i have a little 2 mug french press at breakfast
[19:15] <Lunar_Lander> hello DrLuke
[19:15] <DrLuke> hi
[19:15] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[19:15] <eroomde> and then 2 or 3 during the day at work
[19:15] <arko> damn son
[19:15] <MNSP> I concur - re cake and coffee onsumption
[19:15] <eroomde> and usually none in the eve
[19:16] <Lunar_Lander> I think Sir Patrick should have listened to this little song here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buJ2DZZHHAI
[19:16] <eroomde> this is really very restrained of me
[19:16] <MNSP> cafetier
[19:16] <nigelvh> I *DO* like coffee cake
[19:16] <nigelvh> That crap is made of pure magic
[19:16] <arko> nigelvh: seattle is known for it's coffee
[19:16] <arko> lucky man
[19:17] <nigelvh> The home of starbucks, and I never drink any
[19:17] <arko> do you guys have innout yet?
[19:17] <nigelvh> I don't think so.
[19:17] <nigelvh> Though I had innout last time I was in San Jose
[19:17] <arko> pshh, then i aint moving
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[19:17] <nigelvh> Didn't seem too magical
[19:17] <arko> :O
[19:17] <nigelvh> We've got dicks
[19:17] <fsphil> now now
[19:17] <arko> hahahahaha
[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> ROFL
[19:18] <MNSP> Plenty of them the world over I'm afraid
[19:18] <nigelvh> Dicks burgers are pretty awesome
[19:18] <nigelvh> And full of puns
[19:18] <arko> MNSP i read that in an english accent
[19:18] <nigelvh> Shoving dicks meat in your mouth. Masticating it. Get some of dicks sauce on your chin. Etc.
[19:18] <arko> hahahaha
[19:18] <MNSP> Whitecastle, if I ever goto the US, am gonna find one
[19:18] <arko> oh god
[19:19] <arko> no
[19:19] <Lunar_Lander> btw can you please consider our Mk 1A flight board: http://s.gullipics.com/image/e/j/t/5yvmtb-jhum9e-vjoq/IMG6256.jpeg
[19:19] <arko> whitecastle is shi
[19:19] <arko> shit*
[19:19] <Lunar_Lander> and I got a question about it
[19:19] <arko> fly yourself to the west coast
[19:19] <arko> get innout
[19:19] <nigelvh> Or dicks
[19:19] <nigelvh> dicks are good
[19:19] <Lunar_Lander> I was outside with it earlier and the yellow LED was on, which means Lock != 3
[19:19] <Lunar_Lander> nigelvh, people named Richard?
[19:19] <arko> dicks too
[19:19] <Lunar_Lander> and in the log file I could see two valid positions albeit with a Lock value of 0
[19:20] <nigelvh> There's a burger chain here named Dicks.
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[19:20] <arko> Dick Feynman's BBQ and Grill
[19:20] <Upu> its ok we go outside for a fag here
[19:20] <Lunar_Lander> then I flicked the switch one time and got bogus
[19:20] <Upu> not me personally nasty habit
[19:20] <Lunar_Lander> ont he SD
[19:20] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, if you look at it
[19:20] <arko> i dont smoke fags either
[19:20] <arko> cigars every now and then
[19:20] <fsphil> I was inside dick smith in australia
[19:20] <Lunar_Lander> can it be that the Sarantel is too close to the NTX2?
[19:20] <nigelvh> Though seattle is known for those too.
[19:20] <Upu> absolutely Lunar
[19:21] <MNSP> my mate almost got beat up when he told some US sailors he wanted to have a fag
[19:21] <Upu> you have it surrounded with a nice faraday cage there
[19:21] <Lunar_Lander> ohh
[19:21] <fsphil> you'd think people who travel would've heard that one MNSP
[19:21] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[19:21] <Upu> it will probably work if its facing the sky but really you want to stick off the edge of the board
[19:21] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:21] <Lunar_Lander> what if I move it left and turn it 180°?
[19:22] <nigelvh> Also is that a voltage regulator in a socket right below the GPS?
[19:22] <Upu> the veroboard is all copper strips
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> no that is the DS18B20
[19:22] <Upu> it needs to be sticking out the edge
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> no, actually I have perfboard there
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> no strips on that
[19:22] <nigelvh> Still a pile of copper
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[19:22] <Upu> unless you scrape the copper off
[19:22] <Upu> anyway afk cooking
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:23] <MNSP> Right chaps, lovely to be back... see the spirit of the place is much as always :-) Off for now
[19:23] <Lunar_Lander> I'll have to check it again
[19:23] <cuddykid> perfect attachment for a HAB http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewitem.asp?idproduct=10624&aff=800324 lol
[19:23] <Dan-K2VOL> also lunar lander make sure you have good decoupling caps on your GPS and radio boards
[19:23] <nigelvh> Morning MNSP
[19:23] <Lunar_Lander> Dan-K2VOL, OK, everything else has caps already
[19:23] <Dan-K2VOL> ground/power noise makes radio receivers unhappy
[19:23] <Lunar_Lander> and I think Upu installed a cap on the ublox module
[19:23] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[19:24] <nigelvh> I like how the hobbyking page is "uh_viewitem.asp"
[19:24] <fsphil> no harm in having extra caps
[19:24] <Dan-K2VOL> for decoupling you may consider adding more caps of different values, they take care of noise at different freqs
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> Dan-K2VOL, all the sensors have a 100 nF cap on the power lines
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:24] <cuddykid> haha nigelvh
[19:24] <Dan-K2VOL> in parallel, very close to the device, bridging the power and ground lines right there
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> wait
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> http://s.gullipics.com/image/6/m/1/5yvmtb-jhum9n-k7y4/IMG6255.jpeg
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> like there?
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> the two sockets below the LEDs
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> it's on the Mk 1A too but the sensors of course hide them
[19:25] <fsphil> the black/white wire at the top reminds me of beatlejuice
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> that's our antenna ground wire
[19:26] <fsphil> just a random obeservation, don't mind me :)
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> green is wired up directly to the power
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> with a resistor of course
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> yellow lights if Lock !=3 as said above
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> red has no function currently
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> and blue flashes when RTTY is transmit
[19:28] <Dan-K2VOL> Lunar_Lander, the other guys are right. the GPS antenna is a quadrifilar helical, which has a radiation/reception pattern that will cover the entire sky perfectly when the antenna stub points straight up. It is designed to NOT have reception of the ground. any antenna needs to be kept as far away from anything metal as possible
[19:30] <Dan-K2VOL> It will receive signals from any direction, but they're optimized for up
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[19:30] <Dan-K2VOL> Lunar_Lander you could just replace that header on the GPS board with a right angle header
[19:31] <nigelvh> That would work
[19:32] <radim_OM2AMR> Lunar_Lander, try to use very short coax cable from NTX2 to antenna, and as much ground as you can under NTX2
[19:32] <radim_OM2AMR> let the NTX2 lay down
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[19:34] <Lunar_Lander> the coax cable idea was brought forward by my professor earlier when we were like leaving the department and I told him of getting no lock
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[19:34] <radim_OM2AMR> look at my first NTX board prototype http://stsproject.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/IMAG0840-1024x577.jpg
[19:35] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:36] <radim_OM2AMR> it was used in my flight with small modifications (another connector, GND under NTX, SMD resistors, etc)
[19:36] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:38] <radim_OM2AMR> Lunar, will you use Arduino ?
[19:38] <Lunar_Lander> do you mean to wire up the solder points under the NTX2 to GND?
[19:38] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[19:39] <radim_OM2AMR> no, try to use solid copper (other not-etched pcb) for example, or piece of metal plate
[19:40] <radim_OM2AMR> like is used on NTX housing
[19:41] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:41] <Lunar_Lander> I see the coax cable soldered to a ground pin of the NTX2 in your photo
[19:41] <radim_OM2AMR> check Upu's badge board design from UKHAS conference, copper under NTX
[19:41] <Lunar_Lander> as the antenna out pin is the center one on the left side
[19:42] <Lunar_Lander> ah what they call "ground plane"?
[19:42] <costyn> Upu: ping
[19:43] <costyn> does anyone know if I can power the habamp from the EZCAP ? or do I need to get 5v from a separate usb port?
[19:44] <radim_OM2AMR> Lunar, center wire from coax is connected to center pin, coax is bended there, but it was replaced then
[19:45] <radim_OM2AMR> Lunar, Groud Plane is antenna type, not that copper ground
[19:46] <Lunar_Lander> radim_OM2AMR, ah OK
[19:46] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> I think I'll try Dan-K2VOL's idea with tilting it 90° and also what you said radim_OM2AMR
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[19:51] <fsphil> costyn: the rtl-sdr's don't output power without modification
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[19:52] <costyn> fsphil: ok thanks, then will power it alternatively
[19:53] <fsphil> I'm getting 5v from a usb hub, and an old usb cable I stole from a mouse
[19:54] <costyn> ok
[19:54] <costyn> what power requirements does it have?
[19:54] <fsphil> I'm not sure actually. Darkside should know
[19:54] <costyn> fsphil: I'll ask him tommorow
[19:55] <x-f> costyn, you can solder wires to the USB connector inside the dongle
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[19:55] <x-f> like in the picture on Upu's store
[19:55] <fsphil> yes that would be better than what I did
[19:55] <fsphil> I wanted to keep the option of using it with the fcd too
[19:56] <costyn> x-f: ah ok, so it is possible
[19:56] <radim_OM2AMR> Lunar, GPS antenna should be oriented UP, that's what Dan said, you should do it also
[19:56] <costyn> x-f: thanks
[19:57] <x-f> costyn, you're welcome, wasn't my idea, tho :)
[19:57] <costyn> fsphil: 56mA according to habsupplies
[19:58] <fsphil> didn't think it would be much
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[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> radim_OM2AMR, that s what I meant
[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> tilting it 90° means that the antenna points up
[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> and x-f you are getting close to launch too?
[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> you were on spacenear recently I think
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[20:01] <Upu> hey costyn
[20:01] <Upu> you can power it from a Fun Cube
[20:01] <Upu> but from a EZCAP you need to run some power from the 5V , I'll retrofit them with a bias-t at some point
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[20:03] <Upu> hey radim_OM2AMR board looks good, where did you get that NTX2 from, 1975 ?
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[20:03] <Upu> 56mA is the max
[20:03] <x-f> Lunar_Lander, we're having loooong negotiations with the CAA, still haven't got the permission. we're aiming on the spring, it's cold and snow and such now. technically we could do a launch in a couple of weeks (maybe)
[20:04] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:04] <Lunar_Lander> but Lithuania has long bureaucracy times?
[20:04] <x-f> Latvia
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[20:04] <x-f> and, yes, so it seems
[20:04] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:04] <Lunar_Lander> yeah Lithuania was that other guy, right?
[20:04] <fsphil> I emailed the UK CAA today and got an answer within an hour. sadly the answer was essentially "we'll get back to you"
[20:04] <Lunar_Lander> project GLORY or so?
[20:05] <x-f> Lunar_Lander, yeah, upix
[20:05] <Upu> keep at them fsphil
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[20:05] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:05] <fsphil> DM was out of the office, back tomorrow
[20:06] <Lunar_Lander> was DM ever in the IRC?
[20:06] <fsphil> hehe, no
[20:06] <Upu> Lunar_Lander you could put the GPS module on some short wires and mount away fom the board
[20:06] <Upu> lol
[20:06] <Upu> yeah DM on here
[20:06] <Upu> that would end well
[20:06] <Lunar_Lander> thanks Upu
[20:06] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[20:10] <radim_OM2AMR> Upu, I was afk, I got that NTX2 from one Czech dealer, for double price as the latest from UPU store :-)
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[20:11] <Upu> probably more if you use the discount code :)
[20:11] <Upu> looks like he's had it in stock for a while
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[20:13] <radim_OM2AMR> ah, so, that's what you mean by 1975 :-D
[20:13] <Upu> yep :)
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[20:21] <jcoxon> evening all
[20:21] <Upu> Evening
[20:21] <nigelvh> Afternoon
[20:22] <Upu> I got some super caps today 5F 2.5v ones, very small I was expecting them to be much larger
[20:22] <jcoxon> oh awesome, where from?
[20:22] <nigelvh> I bet pretty high ESR
[20:22] <Upu> Farnell
[20:23] <SpeedEvil> there are high and low esr ones
[20:23] <fsphil> the two I have have different capacity. can't wire them in series
[20:23] <Upu> http://uk.farnell.com/cooper-bussmann/hv1020-2r7505-r/capacitor-super-5-0f-2-7v-edlc/dp/2148485?in_merch=New%20Products
[20:23] <Upu> ESR 0.04ohm
[20:23] <SpeedEvil> the price is inversely proportional to the ESR
[20:23] <nigelvh> That's pretty good
[20:24] <Upu> 20mill with 10mm dia
[20:24] <jcoxon> mass?
[20:24] <Upu> 2.3g each
[20:24] <jcoxon> not bad at all
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[20:25] <Upu> I'm going to pull the solar payload apart and work out why its not working tomorrow
[20:25] <jcoxon> :-)
[20:25] <Upu> answer is probably "no sun"
[20:26] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
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[20:59] <KT5TK_QRL> Upu: What's wrong with the solar payload?
[20:59] <Upu> hey KT5TK
[20:59] <Upu> doesn't work :)
[20:59] <Upu> got 10 mins ?
[21:00] <KT5TK_QRL> Not enough charging or what?
[21:00] <KT5TK_QRL> sure
[21:00] <Upu> Not sure doesn't turn on properly but might be the total lack of sun here in the UK :)
[21:00] <Upu> PM
[21:00] <KT5TK_QRL> Come here to Texas and fly it here.
[21:01] <KT5TK_QRL> Enough sun :)
[21:01] <Upu> indeed :)
[21:01] <Upu> I've PM'd you :)
[21:02] <daveake> HAB Expenditure list Stage 7: Move country so A there's more sun, B there's more land to aim for, C you don't need a NOTAM
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[21:06] <Armand> Upu, mono or poly solar cells ?
[21:06] <Upu> err 4 x 50mA cells
[21:07] <Upu> they did work
[21:07] <Upu> then they stopped
[21:07] <Upu> so I need to work out why
[21:07] <Armand> Monocrystalline is better, if I recall..
[21:07] <Armand> I know any cells will run poorly in bad light. :/
[21:08] <jcoxon> hey KT5TK
[21:08] <Upu> well also the stepup I use needs some extra circuits to make sure it doesn't lock on start up in low light
[21:09] <Armand> I get quite a good supply off mine, but then.. I'm using much larger than anything you'd consider for HAB.
[21:10] <nigelvh> Yeah, I've seen funky startup situations too.
[21:11] <nigelvh> BTW KT5TK_QRL, The parts for my new revision are here today, so now it's just the boards I'm waiting on.
[21:15] <KT5TK_QRL> Hi all. Nigelvh: great. Sorry that I didn't have enough time to comment on your boards. They look good though
[21:16] <nigelvh> No problem. I think I'm pretty happy with them. Managed to rearrange a few of the pins to make routing nicer, and the board is a bit smaller, plus the fixed errors, and the boost converter, so I think a big improvment has been made.
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[21:22] <jcoxon> KT5TK_QRL, when is your next flight
[21:22] <jcoxon> ?
[21:24] <Armand> Stupid question perhaps... but.. there's like zero chance of getting a permit for HAB flights near Heathrow, right?
[21:24] <jcoxon> its unlikely
[21:25] <jcoxon> worth travelling a bit even just for your own piece of mind
[21:25] <Upu> yeah
[21:25] <Armand> I can't really travel much, I don't have my own car. :(
[21:25] <jcoxon> train!
[21:25] <Upu> balloons going near international airports = brown trousers time
[21:25] <Armand> Not for me.. I won't be on the planes. :P
[21:26] <KT5TK_QRL> jcoxon: Next flight is N0D http://www.w5acm.net/b32.html
[21:27] <Armand> I tend to find the trains a real nuisance if you want to move anything delicate. So many clumsy/ignorant jerks. -_-
[21:27] <jcoxon> KT5TK_QRL, so this weekend
[21:27] <jcoxon> awesome
[21:27] <Armand> I learnt that trying to take scenery to Games Workshop.
[21:27] <jcoxon> is the HF PSK using dl-fldigi?
[21:28] <KT5TK_QRL> Yes, just need to set up habhub
[21:28] <Lunar_Lander> what does brown trousers time mean exactly?
[21:28] <KT5TK_QRL> Same protocol as last time but on 18.100MHz now
[21:28] <Armand> Pooing ones shorts.
[21:28] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:28] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[21:28] <Armand> lol
[21:29] <Armand> I could explain the "alert levels", but I expect I might get kicked. :P
[21:29] <KT5TK_QRL> The PecanPico APRS will QSY to 144.800 in case we get over the atlantic
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[21:30] <SP9UOB> hi all
[21:30] <Upu> awesome
[21:30] <Upu> get it to switch to 70cms if you're near the UK :)
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[21:51] <Timmy> Hi guys,
[21:51] Nick change: Timmy -> Guest73882
[21:51] <Guest73882> Could anyone recommend a good site for balloons?
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[21:52] <SP9UOB> http://randomsolutions.co.uk/Random_Aerospace/Balloons.html
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[23:14] <Lunar_Lander> evening daveake, everything good?
[23:20] <daveake> Yup
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[23:34] <Lunar_Lander> that's nice to hear
[23:34] <Lunar_Lander> did you get our earlier talk on the sarantel antenna?
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[23:36] <fsphil> I've got special filtered glasses for viewing the solar eclipse. not sure what to do with them now
[23:37] <Darkside> look at the sun!
[23:37] <Darkside> look for sunspots and stuff
[23:37] <fsphil> I only see the sun at weekends this time of year
[23:37] <Darkside> haha
[23:37] <fsphil> and that's only if it's not cloudy
[23:37] <Lunar_Lander> hi Darkside could you maybe help me out once more please?
[23:37] <Darkside> uhm
[23:37] <Darkside> with what
[23:38] <Lunar_Lander> you showed me the way you set up your cutdown with the ropes and so on
[23:38] <Darkside> yes
[23:38] <Lunar_Lander> can you link me to that once more please?
[23:38] <Darkside> http://pipe2.darklomax.org/pics/2012-10-07_Horus_29/Pages/19.html
[23:39] <Lunar_Lander> awesome
[23:39] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
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