highaltitude.log.20121209

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[00:08] <arko> eroomde: you around?
[00:08] <Lunar_Lander> hi arko
[00:08] <arko> hey Lunar
[00:08] <arko> whats up
[00:08] <Lunar_Lander> since one hour 9 minutes I am 23 years old
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[00:14] <griffonbot> Received email: navrac "Re: [UKHAS] Pico Board"
[00:15] <Lunar_Lander> arko, and how are you?
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[00:23] <fsphil> one annoying thing about using <=3.3v is most good white LEDs have a higher forward voltage
[00:26] <Lunar_Lander> so they won't work?
[00:27] <fsphil> yep. or are dimmer than they should be
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[00:29] <fsphil> I'm sure there's more to it than that
[00:33] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[00:50] <jonsowman> .
[00:50] <Randomskk> ,
[00:51] <SpeedEvil> °
[00:51] <Randomskk> you win this one, SpeedEvil
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[00:58] <arko> Lunar_Lander: happy birthday dude!
[00:59] <arko> im good
[01:01] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[01:01] <Lunar_Lander> good to hear!
[01:01] <SpeedEvil> Lunar_Lander: happy birthday indeed
[01:02] <Armand> Happy Birthday, Lunar_Lander :)
[01:02] <cuddykid> happy birthday Lunar_Lander :D
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[01:06] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
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[01:08] <arko> hahaha, we are americans must be crazy. asked so much about nuking hurricanes noaa responded http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/C5c.html
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[02:29] <zyp> 22:52:54 < Upu> no tSilk means put a layer of solder on a pad here
[02:29] <zyp> that's wrong
[02:29] <zyp> tsilk is for custom silk art
[02:30] <zyp> paste stencil layer is tcream
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[03:57] <DrLuke> upu liar!!!
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[07:59] <Upu> hey zyp/ DrLuke sorry you're right
[07:59] <Upu> it was late my nad
[08:02] <Upu> bad
[08:02] <daveake> your nads?
[08:03] <daveake> Glad I missed that convo
[08:03] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "Re: [UKHAS] Pico Board"
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[08:45] <Upu> I gave the wrong advice
[08:45] <Upu> and was crowd corrected
[08:49] <daveake> happens :)
[08:50] <Upu> aye never claimed to be perfect
[08:50] <daveake> tough crowd here :)
[08:50] <Upu> lol
[08:53] <KF7FER> Upu: so I got my first board working with a MAX-6 (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pw3ukfinr6e9mve/wh_THMOnoi?m#f:DSC_3059.JPG) but the supercap doesn't seem to help get a hot start. Any idea on what I could have done wrong?
[08:54] <KF7FER> I guess I should add that the design files are at https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pw3ukfinr6e9mve/wh_THMOnoi
[08:55] <Upu> Let me check
[08:55] <KF7FER> thanbks
[08:55] <KF7FER> thanks even
[08:57] <KF7FER> but wow, the MAX-6 rocks.
[08:57] <Upu> whats that part ?
[08:57] <Upu> the supercap
[08:58] <Upu> wiring looks fine
[08:58] <KF7FER> dck-3r3e224u-e
[08:58] <Upu> charge the cap from the VCC
[08:58] <KF7FER> or http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?lang=en&site=us&KeyWords=dck-3r3e224u-e
[08:59] <KF7FER> it gets charged, and everything works, but it doesn't seem to matter. If that makes sense
[08:59] <Upu> I know that works as Deal Extreme use it on their NEO6 board
[09:00] <KF7FER> hmmm...
[09:00] <Upu> really not sure, solder an external battery on just to verify the whole battery thing is working
[09:00] <KF7FER> ok thanks. I'll have to give it a shot. just curious
[09:00] <Upu> odd though
[09:01] <Upu> let me know be interested in that
[09:01] <KF7FER> ok
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[09:03] <KF7FER> so the whole "put a battery on VBAT" thing should just work out of the box?
[09:03] <Upu> that caps only rated to -10 btw
[09:03] <KF7FER> oops :-/
[09:04] <Upu> I just wired it to the battery for the whole circuit just won't put more than 3.7v through it
[09:05] <Upu> http://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20Sheets/Elna%20America%20Inc/DC_DCKe.pdf
[09:06] <KF7FER> well... I'm only giving it 3.3v - the diode's forward voltage so yeah, less than 3.7
[09:06] <KF7FER> I read that thanks
[09:06] <KF7FER> guess I missed the -10 thing
[09:07] <Upu> not sure why its not working
[09:07] <Upu> unless you outside and its -20'C then I know why
[09:07] <KF7FER> LOL I'm outside but it's less than 20, but you really made me laugh
[09:08] <KF7FER> I'll look closer tomorrow, thanks. I'm sure I've messed something up
[09:08] <Upu> nps
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[09:13] <jcoxon> morning all
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[09:25] <jcoxon> ping oh7lzb
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[10:05] <fsphil> morning
[10:06] <Darkside> \o
[10:07] <jcoxon> fsphil, my aprs woke up this morning
[10:07] <Darkside> woo
[10:07] <jcoxon> being winter and all its only able to tx between 0900 and 1530
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[10:15] <fsphil> does the avr still run even when it hasn't the power to tx?
[10:18] <fsphil> difficult to tell I guess :)
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[10:24] <jcoxon> fsphil, well currently the avr is running seperately
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[10:42] <Upu> morning
[10:45] <jcoxon> hey Upu
[10:45] <Upu> still TXing for 6 hours with no batteries is good :)
[10:46] <jcoxon> indeed
[10:46] <jcoxon> in the summer it would be very good
[10:47] <Upu> yep
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[10:54] <eroomde> jcoxon: ping
[10:54] <jcoxon> hey eroomde
[11:00] <jcoxon> whats the prefix for the netherlands?
[11:00] <jcoxon> as in callsign prefix if abroad
[11:01] <jcoxon> all the lists have a range of prefixs
[11:01] <bertrik> PA - PE or something like that
[11:02] <Darkside> you're not going to attempt to prefix your call correctly as you float, are you?
[11:02] <jcoxon> Darkside, sure!
[11:02] <Darkside> lol
[11:02] <Darkside> i wouldn't bother
[11:02] <Darkside> too hard basket
[11:02] <Darkside> means you need to correctly identify what country you are in
[11:03] <jcoxon> well we are already geofencing the uk
[11:03] <jcoxon> so its just a matter of geofencing everywhere else
[11:03] <Darkside> tbh i really wouldn' tbother
[11:03] <Darkside> nobody will care
[11:03] <jcoxon> bertrik, but does it matter which i'd use?
[11:04] <bertrik> I don't really know that much about it, but I think you have to register for one, you can't just randomly pick one
[11:05] <jcoxon> bertrik, i have a callsign already with a UK licence
[11:06] <jcoxon> its just what you'd prefix it with
[11:07] <bertrik> sorry, I don't know
[11:08] Action: jcoxon wikipedias it
[11:09] <bertrik> http://www.eham.net/newham/intcallsigns.htm PA-PI for the netherlands by the way
[11:09] <fsphil> I suppose it would just be P
[11:09] <fsphil> and G or M for here
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[11:11] <jcoxon> so for belgium would it be 'O'?
[11:12] <g0hww> wouldn't changing the callsign according to geofences introduce discontinuities in tracking
[11:12] Action: g0hww thinks its a bad idea
[11:12] <jcoxon> g0hww, thought of that
[11:12] <jcoxon> so no
[11:12] <jcoxon> as long as you identified the freq in the packet at some point
[11:13] <g0hww> i'm talking of tracking on aprs.fi
[11:13] <jcoxon> indeed
[11:13] <jcoxon> so:
[11:13] <jcoxon> http://aprs.fi/info/a/M6JCX-11
[11:13] <jcoxon> see the comment
[11:13] <jcoxon> so you'd put hte correct call with prefix in the comment
[11:14] <jcoxon> the initial call would stay the same, so tracking would be consistent
[11:14] <g0hww> ah, the prefix goes in the comment only?
[11:14] <jcoxon> yeah
[11:15] <g0hww> ok, thats not nuts :)
[11:15] <jcoxon> :-)
[11:16] <g0hww> still, the more bytes in the comment, the higher the probability of packet loss
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[11:17] <jcoxon> true
[11:17] <bertrik> how does the geofencing work? Do you define a polygon and check if the position is inside?
[11:17] <bertrik> or just a rectangle?
[11:17] <jcoxon> thats currently how i'm doing it
[11:17] <jcoxon> got a script that can make a poly of a country
[11:18] <bertrik> I remember seeing and using the algorithm for point-in-polygon, it looks deceptively simple :)
[11:19] <jcoxon> i've stolen the code off Project Swift ( fsphil and co)
[11:23] <jcoxon> bbl
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[11:40] <fsphil> it is surprisingly simple bertrik
[11:43] <bertrik> did you guys have any luck retrieving the balloons that fell into sea last weekend?
[11:43] <Upu> which one there were many
[11:43] <Upu> but no
[11:43] <Upu> none recovered
[12:05] <cuddykid> hiya Upu - do you use hackvana for pcbs now? what's the shipping time like?
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[12:26] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] Pico Board"
[12:34] <Upu> hye cuddykid
[12:34] <Upu> yes I do and 3-4 days manufacturer
[12:34] <Upu> 9 days on average shipping
[12:34] <Upu> or you can DHL which is 3 days
[12:35] <cuddykid> nice! that beats seeeeeeds :) I'll use them then I think
[12:35] <Upu> join #hackvana
[12:35] <cuddykid> will do
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[12:42] <griffonbot> Received email: Jens Pirnay "[UKHAS] Re: Pico Board"
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[12:51] <daveake> hello
[12:51] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[12:51] <daveake> hah
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[12:53] <fsphil> echo
[12:53] <fsphil> I've got to do some shopping today. silly christmas
[12:54] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[12:54] <Lunar_Lander> ah stores are open on Sunday in the UK?
[12:55] <fsphil> yep
[12:55] <fsphil> although limited hours
[12:55] <fsphil> annoyingly
[12:56] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[12:59] <x-f> happy birthday, Lunar_Lander!
[13:00] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[13:00] <fsphil> mmmmm cake
[13:01] <daveake> mmmm cooked breakfast
[13:02] <fsphil> had bacon for breakfast today. aaaah
[13:02] <daveake> no eggs, mushroom, sausages?
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[13:02] <fsphil> bacon, toasted bap and brown sauce
[13:03] <daveake> what time was the launch then? :p
[13:03] <fsphil> lol, sadly not a tradition here. but I'll have to start
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[13:04] <fsphil> my launch food last time was a Twix
[13:04] <daveake> So there's no correlation between bacon butties and landing in the sea
[13:04] <fsphil> I can confirm this
[13:05] <fsphil> it is safe to eat bacon before launch
[13:05] <daveake> good - they can stay on the menu
[13:06] <fsphil> actually wait no, one of the guys helping had bacon before heading out
[13:06] <fsphil> had bacon, egg and sausage
[13:06] <daveake> hmm
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[13:07] <fsphil> but since I was the one who launched ... maybe still safe
[13:07] <daveake> :)
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[13:07] <fsphil> I'll avoid bacon for my next one, because that's almost certainly splashing down
[13:07] <fsphil> actually nah- it's too nice
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[13:27] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil, still there?
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[13:29] <Lunar_Lander> Sir Patrick Moore died today
[13:43] <fsphil> :(
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[13:44] <daveake> :( indeed
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[13:44] <daveake> He didn't look well in the later shows
[13:45] <fsphil> saw it coming, he's been very frail recently on the show
[13:45] <fsphil> yea
[13:45] <fsphil> his shows are what got me interested in science
[13:46] <daveake> Yeah he must have inspired a lot of astronomers and scientists
[13:47] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[13:47] <Lunar_Lander> sad that he died on my birthday :(
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[13:48] <fsphil> he was the director of the local planetarium for a while
[13:48] <fsphil> in Armagh
[13:50] <fsphil> I really hope the show continues
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[14:09] <SpeedEvil> dammit.
[14:09] <SpeedEvil> he was looking very frail, speech had slowed a lot.
[14:09] <SpeedEvil> he did so much.
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[14:39] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[15:59] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil, do you happen to be here?
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[16:31] <fsphil> sort of Lunar_Lander
[16:34] <lz1dev> are you quantum particle fsphil ?
[16:36] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil, did you get my question I asked earlier?
[16:37] <fsphil> lz1dev: yes and no
[16:37] <daveake> guilty as charged
[16:37] <fsphil> Lunar_Lander: don't think so
[16:37] Action: fsphil is playing with wireless bluetooth speakers
[16:38] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[16:38] <Lunar_Lander> I wanted to know if you are philipM in the mailing list
[16:39] <fsphil> not guilty
[16:39] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[16:39] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[16:39] <fsphil> there's a few philips in here now. almost as bad as dave
[16:39] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[16:40] <daveake> :)
[16:40] <daveake> I was about to say "there's only one Lunar" ... then I remembered :)
[16:41] <fsphil> aah the other lunar
[16:41] <Lunar_Lander> LOL
[16:41] <fsphil> this is neat. I can play music on my laptop through the big speakers
[16:42] <fsphil> there's a trick yaesu missed -- a bluetooth interface
[16:43] <daveake> and a detachable display
[16:44] <fsphil> the 857 has that
[16:44] <daveake> which reminds me ... I need to get hamlib set up in the car
[16:45] <fsphil> did you figure out what happened the car pc?
[16:45] <daveake> The BSOD? Not checked yet, but I suspect the USB GPS
[16:46] <daveake> That stopped working. Got it going for a while then it stopped again.
[16:46] <daveake> I have a spare; not swapped it yet
[16:46] <fsphil> that's odd. I've not seen a usb device cause a BSOD before
[16:47] <daveake> Could also be the vents covered where it's squeezed in next to one of the fold-down seats at the back
[16:47] <daveake> But after the restart it was ok
[16:48] <zyp> usb devices can't cause BSODs by themselves, but they may trip up bad usb drivers which then cause a BSOD
[16:48] <daveake> This was is a prolific driver IIRC
[16:48] <daveake> s/was/one/
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[17:05] <__red__> zyp: firewire can :-)
[17:06] <zyp> yes, because unlike usb it lets devices mess with the host memory space
[17:07] <fsphil> what where they thinking
[17:08] <zyp> they were thinking performance/low overhead
[17:09] <griffonbot> Received email: PhilipM "[UKHAS] Re: Pico Board"
[17:09] <zyp> not to mention low latency
[17:13] <Randomskk> and low security, too
[17:18] <zyp> about as low security as pci
[17:27] <Randomskk> pci isn't typically accessible via a port on the front of the computer
[17:28] <zyp> any laptop with an express card slot has pcie readily available from the outside of the computer
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[17:32] <Randomskk> true
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[17:37] <__red__> where is that "insert and steal creds" device that I've been dreaming about then...
[17:40] <DanielRichman> __red__: why steal creds when you can just take the entire laptop
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[17:52] <__red__> DanielRichman: non-detection
[17:53] <DanielRichman> I know, I know
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[18:03] <hyte> hi, could omeone help me with the ntx2?
[18:03] <hyte> *someone
[18:08] <radim_OM2AMR> Hi hyte, what kind of help do you need ?
[18:09] <hyte> I've got it all connected but i think I've broken it http://imgur.com/JPps6 is the signal i'm getting with a pure voltage input
[18:09] <hyte> shouldn't there be only 1 peak?
[18:09] <radim_OM2AMR> with the SDR you can have more than 1 peak
[18:10] <radim_OM2AMR> but int that case, check if there is no short connection between ant and gnd
[18:10] <__red__> radmin: would you expect that much impurity in mixing tho?
[18:10] <__red__> in rx?
[18:12] <radim_OM2AMR> __red__, usualy you can see 2 peaks
[18:13] <hyte> the circuit is still on the breadboard and no shorts between ant/gnd
[18:13] <radim_OM2AMR> hyte, ok, that's good
[18:14] <radim_OM2AMR> did you tested your RTL/SDR ? With some local FM station for example (if it works well)
[18:16] <radim_OM2AMR> and please, try to zoom in in SDR#, RTTY signal will be few 100 Hz wide
[18:16] <hyte> yes, just done that again. It works fine
[18:16] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Pico Board"
[18:16] <hyte> I do zoom in but the other peaks seem to be causing noise
[18:17] <radim_OM2AMR> what do you see when disconnect EN pin ?
[18:19] <craag> hyte: If that's an RTL-SDR, then it's completely normal at close range, caused by overloading the input. Decoding the RTTY should still work fine though.
[18:20] <hyte> http://imgur.com/ltfcA is zoomed in with a signal, when i take off en it just gets background noise
[18:20] <hyte> I'll try increasing separation, thanks
[18:21] <craag> hyte: Yep, my payload looked like that during testing as well, complete with the larger-shift-ghost-rtty on other frequencies.
[18:22] <craag> It's really not an issue I found, doesn't affect decoding at all.
[18:22] <radim_OM2AMR> So your NTX2 is transmitting
[18:23] <hyte> Just put it behind a wall and now just three peaks, cheers guys
[18:24] <radim_OM2AMR> :-) great, so enjoy RTTY music now :-)
[18:25] <hyte> its still not decoding, hopefully as its not properly calibrated and i'm just transmitting 1010101010101
[18:25] <hyte> lovely music!
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[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> hi radim_OM2AMR
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[19:44] <Dan-K2VOL> greetings
[19:46] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[19:46] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
[19:46] <Dan-K2VOL> good, u?
[19:47] <Dan-K2VOL> have you guys seen the Kerbel Space Program game?
[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:47] <Dan-K2VOL> I'm not usually one to game, but it's a cute rocket builder
[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:50] <SpeedEvil> http://www.bridgeconstructor.com/bc/index_en.html
[19:50] <SpeedEvil> I'm enjoying
[19:50] <SpeedEvil> finite element goodness
[19:50] <SpeedEvil> well - structural, more like
[19:51] <SpeedEvil> I have almost gotten out a calculator a few times
[19:53] <Lunar_Lander> sounds cool
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[20:38] <adamthompson> Hi guys ive got 10,000mb free storage space which im not using on my hosting account, any use to you?
[20:39] <adamthompson> 20,000mb spare bandwidth
[20:40] <adamthompson> You can have it for free if you have any use for hosting habhub etc
[20:41] <Upu> evening Adam
[20:41] <Upu> cheers for the offer but the HABHUB servers are dedicated boxes
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[20:47] <Upu> Evening cuddykid
[20:48] <cuddykid> hey Upu
[20:48] <Upu> get the board submitted ?
[20:48] <cuddykid> I got it all sent off :)
[20:48] <Upu> sorted
[20:48] <Upu> in green or did you get all fancy and ask for a colour ?
[20:48] <cuddykid> thanks for your help - definitely wouldn't have been able to do it otherwise
[20:48] <cuddykid> just plain old green
[20:48] <Upu> well
[20:48] <Upu> I had alot of help
[20:48] <Upu> so just passing it on
[20:48] <cuddykid> next time I might go for a fancy colour!
[20:49] <Upu> indeed :)
[20:49] <Upu> nice to see a small board based on a Sarantel
[20:49] <cuddykid> just hope my wiring is correct
[20:49] <Upu> going to be nice that one
[20:49] <Upu> well
[20:49] <Upu> they are relatively cheap
[20:49] <cuddykid> hopefully
[20:49] <cuddykid> true
[20:49] <cuddykid> very cheap
[20:49] <Upu> less than 50mm x 50mm
[20:50] <Upu> will be less than £20
[20:50] <Upu> alot less probably
[20:50] <cuddykid> worked out around $20 including registered shipping
[20:50] <cuddykid> for 10
[20:50] <Upu> £14 then
[20:50] <cuddykid> yep
[20:50] <Upu> £12.47 actually
[20:51] <Upu> thats lol cheap my first board cost me £50
[20:51] <cuddykid> wow
[20:51] <Upu> for 1
[20:51] <cuddykid> yeah, it's incredible how cheap it is
[20:51] <Upu> when you consider he's making a profit on that
[20:51] <Upu> you have to wonder how much they actually cost to make
[20:52] <cuddykid> indeed
[20:52] <Upu> but quality is good too
[20:52] <Upu> they coming to me ?
[20:52] <cuddykid> good good
[20:52] <cuddykid> yep
[20:52] <Upu> nps
[20:52] <Upu> I'll let you know when they arrive
[20:52] <cuddykid> thanks
[20:53] <Upu> Eagles not so bad once you get use to it
[20:53] <Upu> takes a few boards mind :)
[20:54] <cuddykid> yeah, it's getting used to correctly placing the components on the board to begin with (still not good at that bit)
[20:54] <Upu> yeah
[20:54] <Upu> its all about keeping the tracks as short as possible
[20:55] <Upu> anyway it looks good
[20:55] <Upu> looking forward to seeing it
[20:55] <cuddykid> I like the rounded corners
[20:56] <Upu> yeah
[20:57] <Upu> next step in the learning is making a layout for a step up converter
[20:57] <Upu> right afk
[20:57] <cuddykid> ha :D
[20:59] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Aerospace "Re: [UKHAS] Pico Board"
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[21:04] <SP9UOB> hi all
[21:05] <SP9UOB> is Steve Aerospace here?
[21:06] <adamthompson> Oh okay Upu no probs
[21:07] <number10> not here now SP9UOB
[21:07] <adamthompson> Im just start off with h.a would this be suitable as a reciever if I used a 70cm repeater? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BaoFeng-UV-5R-USB-Cable-Software-CD-Dual-Band-136-174-400-480MHz-Ham-2-way-Radio-/170900355671?_trksid=p3284.m263&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BIEW%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D21%26pmod%3D160848032323%26ps%3D54
[21:08] <SP9UOB> number10: ok, i send an email
[21:09] <adamthompson> If i was using the standard ntx chip in my payload?
[21:11] <craag> adamthompson: No, you will need a receiver that does SSB at 434MHz.
[21:11] <craag> The UV-5R is fm-only.
[21:12] <adamthompson> Okay thanks for the help. You reckon my best bet would be asking the local amateur radio club?
[21:13] <craag> The ukhas wiki has some great information.
[21:15] <craag> The FT-790 or FT-817 are what most people tend to use, and can be picked up used on ebay.
[21:15] <adamthompson> k thanks
[21:16] <craag> You can use an RTL-SDR or Funcube Dongle for testing, but for the actual launch/chase it's a good idea to have a 'proper' receiver.
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> say
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> Daily Mail is a proper newspaper or not so much?
[21:23] <adamthompson> Thanks craag :)
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[22:07] <Upu> Lunar_Lander http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9dqNTTdYKY
[22:10] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[22:11] Action: SpeedEvil watches the last sky at night with Patrick Moore.
[22:16] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[22:31] Action: LazyLeopard has also been watching that SaN
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[23:25] <esculca> hi everyone
[23:25] <esculca> hey, does anybody wants to sell a yaesu?
[23:29] <gonzo_> you'll probably have to be a bit more specific than that
[23:30] <esculca> any FT817ND, FT857D or FT897D
[23:30] <esculca> for RTTY
[23:30] <gonzo_> the ND/D bit is not neccesary for datamodes
[23:31] <esculca> ok
[23:31] <esculca> thanks for the info
[23:31] <esculca> i never used one
[23:31] <gonzo_> so you can save money going for a non dsp rig
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[23:31] <esculca> using a dongle?
[23:31] <gonzo_> quite a few here use funclube dongles yes
[23:31] <gonzo_> cube
[23:32] <gonzo_> and some use the RTL DVB ones
[23:32] <lz1dev> esculca: you can setup a search on ebay that will email once there a matches
[23:33] <esculca> ok, let me check those dongles
[23:33] <gonzo_> the rtl ones and the mk1 FCD do suffer with overload if there are strong local signals
[23:33] <gonzo_> the UKHAS site has links to a filtered preamp that will overcome the overload problems
[23:34] <esculca> I see
[23:34] <esculca> let me read about it
[23:34] <gonzo_> the FCD mk2 (pro +) has internal filters, so probably don't need ex external filtered preamp
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[23:36] <gonzo_> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=71_63&product_id=73
[23:37] <gonzo_> but talk to upu on here for advice before buying
[23:38] <esculca> ok, thanks for the help
[23:38] <esculca> somehow I wanted to know a little more about the radios
[23:38] <esculca> and maybe later jump into those software radios
[23:39] <esculca> but I'll follow your advice
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[23:55] <gonzo_> Well, a cheap way in to receiving is an rtl dongul and filtered preamp
[23:56] <fsphil> it's the cheapest I think, unless someone's giving away an FT817 :)
[23:56] <gonzo_> but if you wanted to use it for other things, then it may be worth looking at full radios
[23:58] <gonzo_> I have an 817 and I'm pretty impressed
[23:58] <Lunar_Lander> ist the 817 the one you can see in the NTX2 to arduino tutorial?
[23:59] <gonzo_> but you are paying for a transciver, rather than just a receiver
[23:59] <gonzo_> possibly, you have a link LL?
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