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[00:41] <griffonbot> Received email: Alexei Karpenko "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Runtime_errorHTTP 403 when using the High Altitude
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[01:50] <mrShrimp> Hello, is anyone on?
[01:51] <Darkside> nope
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[04:47] <mrShrimp> What would be the most efficient way to send RTTY data incrementally while logging the data simultaniously using the Arduino environment?
[04:48] <Darkside> construct a data string
[04:48] <Darkside> use one of the SD card libraries to dump the string into a text file on a SD or microSD card
[04:48] <Darkside> then transmit the string via RTTY
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[04:49] <mrShrimp> The GPS outputs data much faster than the data can be transmitted though.
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[04:49] <mrShrimp> Should I forget about logging the data that comes between transmissions?
[04:50] <SpeedEvil> there is very little point in logging the complete output of the goods
[04:50] <SpeedEvil> GPS
[04:50] <Darkside> yeah
[04:51] <Darkside> just log the sentences you transmit
[04:51] <mrShrimp> Alright, thanks!
[04:51] <SpeedEvil> or maybe selected sentences
[04:51] <SpeedEvil> gpgll
[04:51] <mrShrimp> Now I can forget about trying to implement some sort of multitasking
[04:51] <mrShrimp> which would have been hard.
[04:52] <mrShrimp> for me at least...
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[06:37] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Daniels "RE: [UKHAS] Certification"
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[07:33] <nosebleedkt> hi all
[07:35] <UpuWork> morning
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[08:04] <UpuWork> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SlbC9GSv5jY#! <- Mitch from Hackvana if anyone is interested
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[08:46] <griffonbot> Received email: "[UKHAS] My album"
[08:46] <Laurenceb_> ping Laurenceb__
[08:46] <Laurenceb_> wtf
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[08:52] <Laurenceb_> eroomde: ping
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[08:56] <Laurenceb_> nvm im off
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[10:16] <earthshine> Morning
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[10:38] <chrisg7ogx> no balloons today (sniff)
[10:42] <gonzo_> souton uni plan one tomorrow
[10:42] <fsphil> hopefully they've fixed their bugs
[10:43] <Darkside> which one was souton?
[10:43] <Darkside> the one with the microsoft thing?
[10:44] <chrisg7ogx> thought southampton cancelled floater and doing a tethered only test?
[10:45] <gonzo_> they were doing some chute deploy test. The teathered test would be a fall back, if the wx was against them
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[10:45] <gonzo_> (going by the posts to the mail group. I have no connection with them)
[10:47] <chrisg7ogx> yes I saw that, wx forecast suggested flight path was going to be over London
[10:48] <daveake> The SHARP team's tethered test was a fallback too. Literally. To concrete.
[10:48] <Darkside> haha yes, that video
[10:48] <Darkside> that hillarious video
[10:48] <daveake> Yup
[10:48] <mattbrejza> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qig-LVW1yb4
[10:48] <daveake> A classic of out time.
[10:48] <daveake> our
[10:50] <chrisg7ogx> that's great, "Ready Grandad"
[10:50] <costyn> gawd... portrait video must die
[10:51] <costyn> unfortunately only going to become worse before it gets better
[10:51] <gonzo_> not sure why they used a balloon. Could have done that test out of a first storey window?
[10:51] <costyn> indeed, seems a waste
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[10:58] <kokey> costyn: I assume you have seen this... www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt9zSfinwFA
[10:59] <daveake> I have. Very funny. Someone linked to it after I posted a vertical video :p
[10:59] <costyn> kokey: I like
[10:59] <daveake> (taken by Mrs Dave)
[11:01] <costyn> kokey: that's hilarious
[11:01] <Darkside> haha
[11:01] <Darkside> it is brilliant
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[11:03] <costyn> it is!
[11:03] <daveake> In Mrs Dave's defence, it did enable her to get the balloon in :)
[11:04] <kokey> i wonder if the ccd in the phone actually has more pixels on the one side or if it's just some effect
[11:04] <daveake> yes it does
[11:04] <eroomde> Laurenceb: pong
[11:06] <Laurenceb> hi there
[11:06] <Laurenceb> i was going to ask you about stepper motors
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[11:06] <Laurenceb> have you used them at all?
[11:06] <Laurenceb> im seeing some sort of resonance at low step speeds
[11:12] <chrisg7ogx> Is K6RPT-12 stuck in the doldrums? even zoomed it doesn't appear to be moving
[11:12] <Darkside> chrisg7ogx: its finished
[11:12] <eroomde> i haven't for years
[11:12] <eroomde> sorry
[11:12] <Darkside> chrisg7ogx: landed already, and now i guess they're testing again in the US i guess
[11:13] <costyn> Darkside: weird... why still call it K6RPT-12
[11:13] <costyn> I assume they haven't recoverd it
[11:13] <costyn> which would quite a miracle
[11:13] <kokey> Golden Spike, what a name
[11:13] <Darkside> because there aren't many standard APRS SSIDs
[11:13] <chrisg7ogx> waitng for the 0715 camel
[11:13] <kokey> sounds like some chinese games console knock off company
[11:14] <chrisg7ogx> i have ginger hair and feel challenged by that name!
[11:16] <Laurenceb> eroomde: ok
[11:16] <Laurenceb> im wondering if i have a mass/spring effect
[11:17] <Laurenceb> due to moment of inertia of the cure
[11:17] <Laurenceb> *core
[11:17] <Laurenceb> and the current in the stator ()its using constant current drive
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[11:22] Action: Gadget-Mac grumbles about the incorrect use of the reply button on the mailing list
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[11:37] <fsphil> Gadget-Mac?
[11:37] <Gadget-Mac> Use of reply to start a new thread.
[11:37] <fsphil> ah
[11:38] <fsphil> yes that could be annoying. I don't view the emails threaded because that usually happens
[11:38] <Gadget-Mac> Just one of my pet hates
[11:40] <fsphil> I have far too many of those
[11:41] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Aerospace "Re: [UKHAS] Certification"
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[12:29] <Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQu71l1WQ3g
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[15:05] <costyn> Laurenceb: thats just awful
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[15:06] <lz1dev> agreed
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[15:07] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AID07xdiiEU&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[15:08] <SpeedEvil> as an alternative
[15:09] <costyn> SpeedEvil: ta;dw
[15:09] <costyn> (too awful)
[15:09] <SpeedEvil> you don't like Benny hill?
[15:10] <lz1dev> benny hill makes anything funny
[15:10] <lz1dev> pretty much anything
[15:10] <costyn> SpeedEvil: oh... i saw only beyonce, I quickly closed the window
[15:11] <costyn> SpeedEvil: benny hill is just fine
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[15:11] <SpeedEvil> it's much, much better than the original
[15:11] <costyn> indeed
[15:11] <lz1dev> :)
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[18:26] <SP9UOB> hi all
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[18:27] <x-f> hi, Tomasz
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[18:29] <x-f> interesting idea for the ground plane - http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=519924501360410&set=pb.100000285930240.-2207520000.1354871232&type=3&permPage=1
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[18:30] <x-f> that is from the F6AGV email/fb
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[18:32] <x-f> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=499225943430266&set=pb.100000285930240.-2207520000.1354871232&type=3&permPage=1
[18:33] <SP9UOB> x-f: antenna attenuator
[18:33] <SP9UOB> :-)
[18:34] <x-f> totally! :)
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[18:34] <x-f> he's broken it
[18:34] <SP9UOB> all: is everything ok with spacenear.us? Im sending telemetry, and im not on the map
[18:35] <x-f> number10 complained about that too a couple of days ago
[18:38] <number10> it may have been disabled for the transatlantic fligh? but was definately not uploading test data
[18:39] <number10> the data was uploading but not showing on spacenear.us SP9UOB
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[18:43] <SP9UOB> number10: same as mine :-( Im planning a flight soon
[18:44] <number10> SP9UOB: best have a word with one of the habhub guys
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[18:52] <craag> sb topic restore
[18:52] <craag> sb opme
[18:52] <craag> Darn, wrong channel.
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[19:12] <Upu> rdp
[19:26] <Upu> ping navrac
[19:28] <lz1dev> theres a FT-790R on ebay, if anyone is looking for one
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[19:46] <Upu> ping SP9UOB
[19:46] <Upu> http://spacenear.us/tracker/ working now
[19:46] <Upu> thx to Randomskk
[19:48] <SP9UOB> PONG Upu
[19:49] <SP9UOB> Thanks
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[21:38] <chrisg7ogx> anyone have freqs for sp9uob please?
[21:39] <SP9UOB> chrisg7ogx: 29.493 MHz, 50.805 MHz, 437.600 MHz :-)
[21:39] <Upu> its just testing chrisg7ogx
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[21:40] <SP9UOB> hi Radim
[21:40] <radim_OM2AMR> Hi Tomek :-)
[21:40] <Upu> Hi guys
[21:40] <radim_OM2AMR> Hi Upu
[21:40] <Upu> Anthony if we are using first names :)
[21:40] <radim_OM2AMR> :-)
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> hi radim, tomek anthony
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> I can tell you
[21:40] <Upu> Hi Kevin
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> my sensor board is joined to the arduino now
[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> flight package is read
[21:41] <radim_OM2AMR> Is Dave here ?
[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> +y
[21:41] <SP9UOB> radim_OM2AMR: i'he just make RFM02 to work with small RTTY shift :-)
[21:41] <Upu> good. Working ?
[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> I tested each component in turn and that worked
[21:41] <radim_OM2AMR> daveake ping
[21:41] <Upu> Davake was flying back from Denmark so I suspect he's either sleeping or still in transit
[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> didn't test the complete one yet because I have to change the software to the one pin NTX2 control
[21:41] <Upu> ok Lunar
[21:41] <radim_OM2AMR> Upu, oh so
[21:41] <Upu> Daveake even
[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> then maybe a vacuum test next week
[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> to see how the pressure sensor works
[21:42] <radim_OM2AMR> Tomek, I just break RTTY on Raspi finaly :-)
[21:42] <fsphil> or trapped in snow
[21:42] <Lunar_Lander> and we are about done
[21:42] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:42] <Upu> what you after radim_OM2AMR ?
[21:42] <Upu> I might be able to help
[21:42] <SP9UOB> radim_OM2AMR: Congrats.
[21:42] <chrisg7ogx> well 29 mhz
[21:42] <Upu> unless you're asking how to "Pi"
[21:42] <fsphil> I'm hungry now
[21:42] <SP9UOB> anyway stepup on MCP1640 rocks :-)
[21:43] <radim_OM2AMR> I will tell to Dave, that there was little missin ginfo in slide from conference :-) I found it finaly :-)
[21:43] <SP9UOB> chrisg7ogx: over 6700 km in range ! :-)
[21:43] <Lunar_Lander> https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Pi
[21:43] <Upu> Wrong Pi Lunar
[21:43] <Lunar_Lander> SP9UOB, is that the 200 mA one?
[21:43] <chrisg7ogx> i know but nothing else going on
[21:44] <griffonbot> Received email: CHRIS INWOOD "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Runtime_errorHTTP 403 when using the High Altitude
[21:44] <fsphil> I need a better setup for 29mhz
[21:44] <SP9UOB> Lunar_Lander: http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/22234B.pdf
[21:44] <SP9UOB> 100mA
[21:44] <Upu> I didn't even realise there were frequencies lower than 144Mhz tbh
[21:45] <Lunar_Lander> ah the "old" one
[21:45] <radim_OM2AMR> Upu, fsphil, I found, that for speed setting I have to use B300 instead of just 300 :-)
[21:45] <Lunar_Lander> do you use it for lipoly 3.7V to 5V?
[21:45] <radim_OM2AMR> cfsetospeed(&options, B300);
[21:45] <Upu> speed for what radim_OM2AMR ? Baud ?
[21:45] <fsphil> aah yes
[21:45] <SP9UOB> Upu: im planning to launch 10MHz tracker :-)
[21:45] <radim_OM2AMR> Upu, yes, for RTTY Baud
[21:45] <Upu> Pi ?
[21:45] <Lunar_Lander> SP9UOB,
[21:45] <Lunar_Lander> do you use it for lipoly 3.7V to 5V?
[21:46] <radim_OM2AMR> Pi and NTX2
[21:46] <fsphil> I'm not sure why linux has no function to accept just a numeric baud rate
[21:46] <fsphil> it's annoying
[21:46] <SP9UOB> Lunar_Lander: for single AA or 2-3 solar cells
[21:46] <Upu> ah ok
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:46] <Upu> yeah speak to Dave
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> what voltage do you use?
[21:46] <SP9UOB> Lunar_Lander: enough for GPS, PIC and small transmitter
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> 3.3V?
[21:46] <SP9UOB> yup
[21:46] <Upu> 1.8V is where its at
[21:47] <radim_OM2AMR> fsphil, I'm listening the best music now - RTTY :-D
[21:47] <fsphil> it is that
[21:47] <Upu> agreed
[21:47] <Upu> wife hates it
[21:48] <fsphil> she doesn't understand
[21:48] <SP9UOB> Upu: last month i worked with tubes - 2.5 kV so jump to 1.8V is too big, 3.3v is ok by now ;-)
[21:48] <Upu> lol
[21:48] <fsphil> yikes
[21:48] <fsphil> none of my projects have ever gone over 12v
[21:48] <radim_OM2AMR> Upu, maybe different shift if she don't decode ? :-D
[21:48] <SP9UOB> there are better transmissions - ie olivia :-)
[21:48] <fsphil> 13.8v at an extreme
[21:48] <Upu> lol
[21:49] <fsphil> olivia is tricky to generate
[21:49] <fsphil> but decodes really well even in the noise
[21:49] <SP9UOB> but how it sounds ! :-)
[21:49] <chrisg7ogx> griifonbot that was me not entering my lat and long correctly doh!
[21:49] <fsphil> yea it sounds really chirpy
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> btw radim_OM2AMR
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> some music from germany https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZMwieoUuJo
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> do you all have the new youtube too btw?
[21:50] <SP9UOB> Lunar_Lander: i love 99 luftballoons :-)
[21:50] <SP9UOB> Lunar_Lander: form german music
[21:50] <fsphil> JT65-HF sounds really sad and lonely
[21:50] <Upu> lol
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:50] <SP9UOB> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsU8fRvTeCI
[21:51] <Lunar_Lander> the title btw is "I'm back here" of the one I postet
[21:51] <SP9UOB> fsphil: depressing
[21:51] <SpeedEvil> http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/grrlscientist/2012/dec/07/3
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[21:51] <Lunar_Lander> SP9UOB, xD yea
[21:51] <SpeedEvil> electronic bird
[21:51] <SP9UOB> anyway, I love this song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtkUM1wVVi8
[21:52] <SP9UOB> Sarah brightman in general
[21:52] <Lunar_Lander> cool my youtube suggests me "Fix You" by Coldplay in the sidebar
[21:52] <radim_OM2AMR> SP9UOB, Nena should sing 99 meteo helium balloons :-)
[21:52] <SP9UOB> fsphil: You should try to play with Tesla Coil btw :-)
[21:52] <fsphil> random german tune I remember from when I was tiny: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU2A__5Jcys
[21:52] <SpeedEvil> 99 luft balons is the much better version
[21:53] <SP9UOB> radim_OM2AMR: 99 meteo helium balloons with trackers... ;-)
[21:53] <Lunar_Lander> SP9UOB, wow the sarah brightman song features a R-7 rocket and Yuri Gagarin!
[21:53] <radim_OM2AMR> SP9UOB :-D
[21:53] <SP9UOB> just write the lyrics
[21:53] <Lunar_Lander> and the Mercury Seven!
[21:54] <SP9UOB> Lunar_Lander: i've got goose-flesh when i first saw this video :-)
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:54] <fsphil> when's Sarah heading up to the ISS?
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> ohh it is a space video!
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[21:54] <SP9UOB> 2015 if i recall
[21:55] <chrisg7ogx> Wieder hier 1998 nice house!
[21:55] <SP9UOB> Lunar_Lander: you can see J. Kittinger jump also
[21:56] <SP9UOB> and amazing sunset shoot from ISS
[21:56] <SP9UOB> sunrise
[21:56] <Lunar_Lander> YEA!
[21:56] <fsphil> I'd never get anything done on the ISS
[21:56] <fsphil> unless they covered all the windows
[21:57] <Hiena> http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2808#comic
[21:57] <Hiena> Somehow related...
[21:57] <SP9UOB> Hiena: lol
[21:57] <Lunar_Lander> AWESOME
[21:57] <Lunar_Lander> SP9UOB, thank you!
[21:58] <SP9UOB> Lunar_Lander: im waiting for european tour :-)
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:58] <SP9UOB> Lunar_Lander: Youre Welcome
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> wait Brightman really will fly to ISS?
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> as a tourist?
[21:58] <fsphil> yep
[21:59] <Lunar_Lander> chrisg7ogx, nice to see that you like the song too :)
[21:59] <fsphil> she's made quite a song and dance about it. well one of those
[21:59] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:59] <SP9UOB> just love her voice
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:00] <fsphil> how cool would it be if she operated the radio up there
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil, yea the title is almost the same but marius mueller-westernhagen did the better one :)
[22:00] <fsphil> sarah brightman on 145.800 :)
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> Yea :)
[22:00] <SP9UOB> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8rlphvRelo - her perss conference from starcity/Moscow
[22:01] <SP9UOB> G0ISS/SB ;-)
[22:02] <SP9UOB> or something
[22:02] <radim_OM2AMR> SP9UOB, not allowed by OFCOM :-)
[22:02] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
[22:02] <SP9UOB> stupit regulations
[22:02] <radim_OM2AMR> she should use RTTY on 434 MHz :-)
[22:02] <SP9UOB> stupid
[22:02] <radim_OM2AMR> yes, very stupid
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[22:05] <Lunar_Lander> btw it is sad that 99 Luftballons ends in war and destruction
[22:05] <chrisg7ogx> thought i heard rtty then lol
[22:05] <SP9UOB> anyway, she will be over UK 3-5 minutes, then she can turn tx on :-)
[22:05] <chrisg7ogx> and us on..
[22:05] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[22:06] <Lunar_Lander> btw check out what I found in town: http://s.gullipics.com/image/7/k/3/5yvok9-jh5053-uix7/IMG6299.jpeg
[22:06] <SP9UOB> cool :-)
[22:07] <Lunar_Lander> xD yea
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[22:07] <radim_OM2AMR> :-D
[22:07] <radim_OM2AMR> evening Dave
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> hi dave
[22:08] <radim_OM2AMR> cfsetospeed(&options, B300); instead of cfsetospeed(&options, 300); and let the music play :-)
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> daveake, I found the perfect office device for me
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> http://s.gullipics.com/image/7/k/3/5yvok9-jh5053-uix7/IMG6299.jpeg
[22:08] <SP9UOB> hi dave
[22:10] <daveake> brb eating
[22:10] <SP9UOB> bon appetit
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[22:14] <SP9UOB> making Hydrogen @home :-) https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=401141826578252&set=pb.100000473142757.-2207520000.1354918453&type=3&theater
[22:14] <jcoxon> evening all
[22:14] <SP9UOB> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=401141826578252&set=pb.100000473142757.-2207520000.1354918453&type=3&theater
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[22:15] <SP9UOB> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=401141826578252&set=pb.100000473142757.-2207520000.1354918453&type=3&theater
[22:15] <SP9UOB> ;-
[22:15] <SP9UOB> :-)
[22:15] <jcoxon> you launching SP9UOB
[22:15] <SP9UOB> jcoxon: not in this weekend
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[22:16] <jcoxon> :-(
[22:17] <lz1dev> :-c
[22:17] <Lunar_Lander> another great song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W71h7NWEdg&list=UUw7FkXsC00lH2v2yB5LQoYA&index=4
[22:17] <chrisg7ogx> :@{
[22:18] <SP9UOB> jcoxon: i have some 100g old kaysam balloons, i want to launch them, but i need ligweight tracker - and im working on it
[22:19] <jcoxon> SP9UOB, we could send you one...
[22:20] <SP9UOB> I have some concerns related to the storage of 6cu m hydrogen in the garage
[22:20] <fsphil> ooch
[22:20] <fsphil> pressurised?
[22:20] <SpeedEvil> bin bags, taped shut.
[22:20] <jcoxon> night all
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[22:20] <daveake> Back
[22:20] <SP9UOB> jcoxon: i like to do by myself :-)
[22:21] <SP9UOB> fsphil: sure
[22:21] <chrisg7ogx> gnite zzz
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[22:22] <SP9UOB> heluim at the moment is incredible expensive
[22:22] <fsphil> indeedy
[22:23] <SP9UOB> 75 eur per 1.8 cu m bootle
[22:23] <daveake> It's only going to get worse
[22:23] <daveake> Here it's £80 for 3.6
[22:23] <radim_OM2AMR> we are unable to order He currently :-( so we will fly H2 in january
[22:24] <Lunar_Lander> radim_OM2AMR, what will you fly this time?
[22:24] <daveake> radim_OM2AMR Yeah it's best to get the baud rate parameter right :)
[22:24] <Lunar_Lander> electronics wise
[22:24] <SP9UOB> Redbull bought all the helium :-)
[22:24] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:24] <radim_OM2AMR> SP9UOB :-D
[22:24] <Lunar_Lander> btw, can it be that the NTX2 tutorial for 3.3V results in 600 Hz shift?
[22:24] <daveake> Lunar_Lander Are you intending to use H2 or He?
[22:24] <Lunar_Lander> because that is what I got
[22:24] <Lunar_Lander> He from the institute here
[22:25] <daveake> It runs out in 2025, you know?
[22:25] <Lunar_Lander> yea but we re-liquifiy it
[22:25] <radim_OM2AMR> Lunar we will fly new arduino tracker, maybe PI with SSDV too
[22:25] <SP9UOB> the end is near ;-0
[22:25] <Lunar_Lander> cool radim_OM2AMR
[22:25] <Lunar_Lander> not good SP9UOB
[22:26] <radim_OM2AMR> Lunar, and maybe ATV in 1.2 GHz band, we'll see
[22:26] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[22:26] <Lunar_Lander> another song about liquefy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAtlBM9iK_U
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[22:27] <fsphil> I might stick a 2.4ghz module on a flight some day, see if those with the big ATV setups can see it
[22:27] <SP9UOB> radim_OM2AMR: cool if weather permits - i can go to Your launch site :-)
[22:28] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil, the people at muenster at the HF labs even made their own parabolic dishes for 2.4 GHz live video downlink
[22:28] <radim_OM2AMR> SP9UOB, great, you're welcome :-)
[22:29] <SP9UOB> radim_OM2AMR: but i dont like driving by winter trough the mountains
[22:29] <radim_OM2AMR> Tomek, save the date 15.1. od 22.1.
[22:29] <radim_OM2AMR> or
[22:29] <SP9UOB> ok
[22:30] <SP9UOB> Lunar_Lander: this is home-made parabolic: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=464024043623363&set=pb.100000473142757.-2207520000.1354918450&type=3&theater
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[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[22:31] <SP9UOB> radim_OM2AMR: if You plan to land in Poland - recovery is guaranteed ;-)
[22:31] <fsphil> I wonder... :)
[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> SP9UOB, btw on the hydrogen generator
[22:31] <radim_OM2AMR> SP9UOB, yea, I know, wil be still jetstream season...
[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> piroman = "Pyro Man"?
[22:32] <SP9UOB> Lunar_Lander: piroman is a man addicted to burning something
[22:32] <SP9UOB> fsphil: another toy for HV: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=263517667007336&set=pb.100000473142757.-2207520000.1354918460&type=3&theater
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> yeah that workd I know as well
[22:32] <SP9UOB> fsphil: my coilgun :-)
[22:33] <Lunar_Lander> ohhh danger!
[22:33] <fsphil> url is too long, can you tinyify that?
[22:33] <fsphil> one of the flaws of a console irc client
[22:33] <SP9UOB> fsphil: /MSG Upu
[22:34] <SP9UOB> oopd
[22:34] <SP9UOB> fsphil: http://tiny.pl/hk88s
[22:34] <fsphil> ta!
[22:34] <SP9UOB> fsphil: shooting with nails :-)
[22:34] <fsphil> that looks like dangerous fun. the best kind of fun
[22:35] <SP9UOB> just one shredded pillow ;-)
[22:35] <fsphil> this is why I don't like launching in the winter: http://habhub.org//predict/#!/uuid=b84cb2940b81fae47774430d039c2beed4d37927
[22:36] <SP9UOB> fsphil: just move to the continent :-)
[22:36] <fsphil> I wish
[22:36] <SpeedEvil> oh great!
[22:36] <SpeedEvil> pinch and zoom now works
[22:37] <SP9UOB> http://habhub.org//predict/#!/uuid=03d8d29ffffc1a8cde524e65db7ece65b5626932
[22:37] <fsphil> I'm rubbish at languages though so maybe not so good :)
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[22:38] <SP9UOB> fsphil: heh, You klnow english... all other world must learn english ;-)
[22:38] <SP9UOB> know
[22:38] <lz1dev> :-c
[22:38] <fsphil> hehe, http://habhub.org//predict/#!/uuid=b2b969b31f8db1d077a750255bddba8110d69381
[22:39] <radim_OM2AMR> tomek, be prepared :-) http://habhub.org//predict/#!/uuid=47fc3db349d743bb763f3ee10fd2097dda3b253d
[22:39] <daveake> I see no issue with that one fsphil :)
[22:39] <fsphil> lol
[22:39] <fsphil> that's where all the cool kids are landing now
[22:40] <SP9UOB> radim_OM2AMR: sure :)
[22:41] <SP9UOB> ok, its time to change the polarization to horizontal :-)
[22:41] <fsphil> not sure this is too accurate: http://habhub.org//predict/#!/uuid=abdd8a0fcb430b0c18c5b4cd2b0424abf9df77da
[22:41] <fsphil> but if I float from here it'll head for poland
[22:41] <radim_OM2AMR> Tomek 2m band :-)
[22:42] <SP9UOB> fsphil: just launch, we can pickup :-)
[22:42] <SP9UOB> goodnight all
[22:42] <fsphil> I'm definitely considering it
[22:42] <fsphil> nite!
[22:42] <radim_OM2AMR> GN
[22:42] <daveake> nn
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[22:43] <fsphil> with the winds the way they are atm, a float seems like the best option
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[22:46] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, btw the one pin control works well
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[22:47] <radim_OM2AMR> Lunar, yes, I changed it 3 days before last flight from 2 to 1 pin
[22:48] <radim_OM2AMR> works well
[22:48] <radim_OM2AMR> with raspi too :-)
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[22:52] <cuddykid> Upu: if you're around (or anyone else with pcb knowledge)- could you glance at this and see if there are any glaring problems (I've moved the 18pF caps next to the crystal) thanks :) - http://i.imgur.com/0A9Rb.png
[22:52] <Upu> mail me the eagle files cuddykid
[22:53] <cuddykid> will do - one sec :)
[22:53] <Upu> easier in Eagle
[22:53] <cuddykid> Upu: to your gmail?
[22:53] <Upu> yup
[22:53] <Lunar_Lander> radim_OM2AMR, yeah :)
[22:53] <Gadget-Mac> cuddykid: assume it's going to be hand assembled ?
[22:54] <Lunar_Lander> btw I have a green LED connected directly to the power rail (with the resistor of course)
[22:54] <Lunar_Lander> when I plugged in all my sensors to my board it didn't turn on, as the humidity sensor was in the wrong way
[22:54] <Lunar_Lander> when I corrected that, the LED was on
[22:54] <Lunar_Lander> but then, the regulator got hot and the temperature sensor too as this was in the wrong way too
[22:55] <Lunar_Lander> but I wonder why the LED was on anyway
[22:55] <cuddykid> Gadget-Mac: yup, last one was soldered up by Upu (after I managed to destroy my uBlox chip) :)
[22:55] <cuddykid> sent them over Upu
[22:55] <Upu> k give me 20 mins
[22:56] <cuddykid> no probs - cheers
[22:56] <fsphil> Lunar_Lander: stop plugging things in backwards :)
[22:56] <Lunar_Lander> xD yea
[22:56] <meatmanek> haha
[22:57] <fsphil> always read the label, to quote the ads
[22:57] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:57] <Gadget-Mac> cuddykid: no doubt Upu will give you suggestions, but turn the microprocessor round 180 degrees, and swap the 3 and 2 pin headers on the bottom edge over
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[22:58] <cuddykid> ah yes - that will help, thanks Gadget-Mac
[22:58] <Gadget-Mac> may as well go with an smt led as well :)
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[23:04] <Gadget-Mac> cuddykid: out of interest which uP ?
[23:04] <cuddykid> Gadget-Mac: atmega328
[23:04] <Gadget-Mac> Though so :)
[23:05] <cuddykid> works nicely with the arduino bootloader :)
[23:07] <Upu> you loose the bootloader when you program them via the ICSP btw
[23:08] <cuddykid> ah
[23:09] <Upu> ok cuddykid
[23:09] <Upu> press F7
[23:09] <Upu> and move the RFM
[23:09] <Upu> see all the wierd lines you can delete them
[23:09] <Upu> then move the RFM22B back
[23:10] <cuddykid> Upu: I've moved the rfm out the way - what weird lines?
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[23:10] <Upu> I stopped using the bootloader and just
[23:10] <Upu> https://secure.join.me/121-355-819
[23:10] <Upu> even
[23:10] <Upu> click that
[23:10] <Lunar_Lander> you program directly via ISCP?
[23:10] <cuddykid> ooo
[23:10] <Lunar_Lander> *ICSP
[23:11] <cuddykid> ah, I gotcha, thanks
[23:12] <Upu> lots of stuff left over from NTX2 based board :)
[23:12] <cuddykid> oops - glad I showed it you!
[23:13] <fsphil> Oppy in the news: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20649462
[23:13] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[23:15] <Upu> Enable on your regulator is pull down ?
[23:15] <Upu> oh so it is
[23:15] <Upu> interesting
[23:16] <cuddykid> yeah, - isn't that the one you usually use?
[23:16] <Upu> its a linear one not a boost ?
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[23:16] <cuddykid> linear
[23:16] <cuddykid> first time I've used this one
[23:16] <Upu> have used it yes in the past
[23:18] <Upu> see that ?
[23:18] <cuddykid> yep
[23:18] <Upu> equidistant
[23:18] <cuddykid> ah :)
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[23:19] <Upu> ok
[23:19] <Upu> decoupling caps need to be as close to whatever they are decoupling as posisble
[23:19] <Upu> So C4 on the GPS
[23:19] <cuddykid> ah yep
[23:19] <Upu> is there :)
[23:19] <Upu> and your GPS is ...
[23:20] <Upu> like that
[23:20] <cuddykid> oh yeah
[23:20] <Upu> same with the others
[23:21] <cuddykid> I see
[23:21] <SpeedEvil> heh. Laurenceb fun problem. guy over in ##physics trying to get a orientation solution for 9 axis of sensors inside an American football
[23:21] <SpeedEvil> if it interests you
[23:22] <Lunar_Lander> ah, accelerometer, gyro and magnetometer?
[23:22] <Upu> rotate the ISCP I think
[23:22] <Upu> puts reset much closer
[23:22] <Upu> you're still going to have fun routing MOSI/MISO
[23:22] <cuddykid> looks like a good idea
[23:22] <Lunar_Lander> btw what do you think of http://s.gullipics.com/image/n/8/u/5yvok9-jh54lo-pbxi/FacebookiPhonePlastikflaschen.png ?
[23:22] <Upu> what is this ?
[23:22] <Upu> through hole ? :)
[23:23] <cuddykid> yeah, scrap it for SMD
[23:23] <cuddykid> lol
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[23:23] <cuddykid> cheers
[23:23] <Upu> much better :)
[23:23] <cuddykid> a lot of space now
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[23:24] <Upu> right click -> smash
[23:24] <Upu> then delete the text
[23:24] <Upu> less confusing
[23:24] <Upu> now the power connector
[23:24] <Upu> is over here
[23:25] <Upu> and your power reg is here
[23:25] <cuddykid> yep
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[23:26] <Upu> shorter traces
[23:26] <cuddykid> a lot better
[23:26] <Upu> something like that
[23:27] <Upu> yep should work
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[23:27] <Upu> btw I prefer the end launch SMA's now
[23:27] <cuddykid> I guess I could squish it sideways now (reduce width)? a tiny amount anyway
[23:27] <cuddykid> looks good
[23:28] <cuddykid> much better!
[23:29] <Upu> you can put an SMA on or just solder coax direct to them
[23:29] <Upu> you can probably shuffle the board back by 5-6 mm
[23:29] <Upu> still pretty small
[23:29] <cuddykid> yep
[23:30] <cuddykid> ideally, in the future I think I'll remove the microSD
[23:30] <cuddykid> awesome
[23:30] <Upu> 35mm^2
[23:30] <Upu> neat
[23:30] <cuddykid> excellent - thanks!
[23:31] <Upu> like it
[23:31] <Upu> all yours
[23:31] <cuddykid> many thanks :)
[23:31] <Upu> welcome
[23:36] <Upu> when you're happy with the schematic do a ERC on it
[23:36] <Upu> and clear all the errors up first
[23:36] <Upu> when you've done the board you'll need to DRC it but have fun routing it
[23:36] <Upu> and remember cool kids don't autoroute
[23:37] <Upu> night
[23:37] <cuddykid> will do - thanks
[23:37] <cuddykid> night
[23:39] <Lunar_Lander> night Upu
[23:39] <Lunar_Lander> the first time I tried Eagle I was working all night and then my back hurt
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[23:40] <cuddykid> Lunar_Lander: eagle has a tendency to frustrate the hell out of me
[23:40] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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