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[07:18] <eroomde> gutten morgen
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[07:22] <nosebleedkt> hello everyone :D
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[07:32] <fsphil> still dry eroomde?
[07:33] <costyn> morning
[07:33] <eroomde> fsphil: yep!
[07:33] <eroomde> level has dropped about 5cm
[07:34] <eroomde> but am v v v lucky on the island here
[07:34] <eroomde> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h0LVO5J5yw&feature=channel&list=UL
[07:34] <eroomde> this video was shot 200m from the house
[07:34] <eroomde> they pumps and sluices have just about done thier job. all around is wet
[07:34] <eroomde> very wet
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[07:37] <number10> you didnt take part in the crazy sports then eroomde
[07:37] <eroomde> sadly not
[07:37] <eroomde> was at work
[07:37] <eroomde> apparently our happy little announcement is on the today programme
[07:37] <eroomde> any sec
[07:38] <eroomde> ah, at 8.40
[07:38] <number10> ah whats that I am in work need to get r4 online
[07:38] <eroomde> 8.40
[07:39] <eroomde> jamos interviewing alan
[07:39] <number10> ok will try and remeber
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[07:50] <arko> that water looks very cold
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[07:54] <eroomde> mmm
[07:54] <eroomde> it's about 6C here now
[07:54] <arko> its like 13 here
[07:54] <arko> heh
[07:55] <eroomde> shorts and t-shirt weather
[07:55] <arko> thats what im wearing
[07:55] <arko> hah
[07:55] <arko> i wish we had normal units :(
[07:55] <arko> meters and C
[07:55] <arko> so nice
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[07:56] <eroomde> oh god
[07:56] <eroomde> worst thing about working with us customers ever
[07:56] <number10> we sort of have a mixture here arko - road distance and speeds are in miles
[07:56] <arko> really?
[07:56] <number10> science is metric
[07:56] <arko> so bizzar
[07:57] <number10> and we have gallons for gas, but our gallon is larger
[07:57] <number10> than the us
[07:57] <arko> heh
[07:57] <eroomde> yeah the roads thing is annoying
[07:57] <eroomde> i guess it's just inertia
[07:57] <eroomde> effort to change all the signs
[07:58] <number10> all the new electronic speed signs on motorways are now capable - older ones could only do 80
[07:58] <arko> back in the 80's the us passed legislation requiring us to change to metric
[07:58] <arko> then they were like
[07:58] <arko> oh wait that costs money
[07:58] <arko> and no one did it
[07:58] <eroomde> dude doing the wirewrap oin the 7400 chips couldn't be bothered to go higher than 8 presumably
[07:59] <arko> ?
[07:59] <eroomde> motorway signs
[07:59] <number10> lol - I think eroomde is implying the old signs were wire wrapped ttl
[07:59] <arko> ohh
[08:00] <eroomde> but yeah, sceince and engineering have to be done in metric
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[08:00] <eroomde> no ifs or buts
[08:00] <arko> way it should
[08:00] <arko> be
[08:00] <eroomde> still have to deal with it with us customers and for plumbing
[08:00] <eroomde> swagelok, the adult lego, is basiclaly impossible and expensive in metric
[08:00] <eroomde> it has to be imperial
[08:00] <eroomde> the range of things is vastly higher
[08:01] <eroomde> but back when i did parachutes, there was were horrifying, outrageous, suicide-inducing american units
[08:01] <eroomde> like parachute porosity
[08:01] <eroomde> which was something that made your eyes bleed
[08:01] <eroomde> like
[08:02] <eroomde> cubic foot slugs per pound inch of mercury
[08:05] <number10> there is a solution to the road speed - just leave the signs and announce that they are now km
[08:05] <number10> would slow hab chases down a little
[08:06] <eroomde> you would have a hell of an army to fight
[08:06] <eroomde> let by the three black nights
[08:06] <eroomde> http://thumbs.newschoolers.com/index.php?src=http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/04/28/article-1174669-061DAB860000044D-963_468x476.jpg&size=400x1000
[08:06] <number10> yes, It would be a bit of a drastic speed reduction
[08:07] <number10> probably only use second gear in town
[08:08] <eroomde> i suspect that will be the case for me this morning
[08:08] <eroomde> i have to drive through the road that is flooded
[08:08] <eroomde> gonna let the engine preheat for 10 mins before leaving
[08:08] <eroomde> so as to drive all the spashes off as steam asap
[08:08] <eroomde> splashes*
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[08:34] <UpuWork> interestingly James May only said a few words to me
[08:34] <UpuWork> a few of which , when I was explaining to the director the altitude we achieve in meters
[08:35] <UpuWork> James turned across to me and said "We don't do the metric system"
[08:38] <number10> well he is in his 50s
[08:38] <number10> just, I think
[08:39] <number10> in jan
[08:40] <number10> looks like some of the peaks in the lakes had a dusting of snow http://www.georgefisher.co.uk/pages/webcam.asp
[08:41] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] BOC Helium Regulator - product recall"
[08:43] <number10> 434.3 is free on saturday UpuWork unless you have changed anything after talking to Kevin
[08:45] <arko> UpuWork: awww
[08:45] <UpuWork> I think I'm putting it on 434.225
[08:48] <number10> sos 434.9 houldnt cause you problems should I launch a pico
[08:48] <number10> eroomde: R4 now is you are not already listening
[08:48] <number10> if
[08:49] <Darkside> 434.9 is a bad frequency
[08:49] <Darkside> that'll be a repeater input
[08:50] <number10> sorry I meant 434.29
[08:50] <Darkside> ok
[08:50] <Darkside> thats a bit better
[08:50] <number10> :)
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[09:05] <Elwell> hmm. anyone know what's the univ. of Adelaide like? (computing / physics) or does the adeladian here have a 'real' job :-)
[09:07] <Darkside> heh
[09:07] <Darkside> Elwell: i'm a PhD student in Elec Eng
[09:07] <Darkside> apparenrtly the computer science department is a bit shit
[09:07] <Darkside> physics is good tho
[09:08] <Elwell> Darkside: ah - possibly working with nectar.org.au / rdsi.uq.edu.au
[09:08] <Darkside> no idea who they are
[09:08] <Darkside> but ok
[09:08] <Elwell> would much rather be adelaide than sydney tho
[09:08] <Darkside> adelaide is nice
[09:08] <Darkside> then you can come ballooning!
[09:08] <Darkside> :D
[09:09] <Elwell> indeedy :-)
[09:15] <costyn> number10: strange thing is that here in the Netherlands, where pretty much everything is metric, some plumbing, especially the faucets fixtures, come in inch sizes.
[09:15] <costyn> the thread sizes are 1/2" and stuff like that
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[09:16] <number10> thats unusual
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[09:18] <number10> probably because plumbing was introduced by the romans?
[09:18] <costyn> heh
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[09:19] <costyn> also realized the other day that standard pitch on breadboards and such is 2.54mm, which 0.1" hehe :)
[09:20] <costyn> which is unusual; they never divide by 10 in imperial, why did they choose 0.1? why not choose 1/8th or 1/16th?
[09:23] <number10> I suppose someone at fairchild would know as they first introduced the DIP
[09:28] <costyn> wikipedia mentions it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_in-line_package#Lead_count_and_spacing but no reasoning behind it
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[10:14] <eroomde> costyn: plumbing is a law unto itself
[10:14] <eroomde> rocket science is quite easy really
[10:15] <eroomde> just thermodynamics
[10:15] <eroomde> but the stuff that isn;t in the textbooks
[10:15] <eroomde> like plumbing
[10:15] <eroomde> can take years to learn
[10:15] <eroomde> it's a big bad ugly world
[10:15] <eroomde> Randomskk and jonsowman got the down-low on this on sat
[10:16] <eroomde> but it's full of traps
[10:16] <eroomde> eg
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[10:16] <eroomde> tube is specificed on OD
[10:16] <jonsowman> :)
[10:16] <eroomde> pipe is specified on a 'nominal' id
[10:16] <eroomde> not the actual ID
[10:16] <eroomde> there are 4 broad different familes of fitting style but there is a lot of incest and mixed parentage
[10:17] <eroomde> conventions of washers depends on the phase of the moon and the nature of what you're attaching to what
[10:17] <costyn> so wait, rocketry doesn't use metric exclusively?
[10:17] <eroomde> rocket plumbing is almost universally imperial
[10:17] <costyn> it like being science and stuff... well, and engineering
[10:17] <eroomde> sadly
[10:17] <eroomde> there's 100x the range of parts available in imperial
[10:17] <costyn> cause of them 'muricans eh?
[10:18] <eroomde> they're to blame for ever-thang
[10:18] <costyn> fortunately also for of a lot of cool stuff
[10:19] <eroomde> jonsowman: will ask re thurs today
[10:19] <eroomde> another busyish day
[10:20] <eroomde> giving some esa people a tour
[10:20] <eroomde> had to tidy the lab
[10:20] <jonsowman> thanks eroomde, thurs is the only day we can do I think, since it's long enough for CP to make parts, but before Jack leaves Cambridge to start work
[10:21] <eroomde> to start work!?
[10:21] <eroomde> what kind of work?
[10:21] <eroomde> etc
[10:21] <UpuWork> I don't think it has my mail address Ed
[10:21] <eroomde> oh
[10:21] <eroomde> bum
[10:21] <jonsowman> eroomde: I'm not sure actually
[10:21] <eroomde> well it has mine so please don;t spam me
[10:22] <jonsowman> heh, same
[10:22] <jonsowman> stupid bot
[10:22] <eroomde> 'You have been summoned by eroomde'
[10:22] <jonsowman> great
[10:22] <eroomde> http://www.troll.me/images/conspiracy-keanu/woah-thumb.jpg
[10:22] <jonsowman> :D
[10:23] <NigelMoby> wow even god has email...
[10:23] <costyn> haha
[10:24] <costyn> how do you let the bot know your email addy?
[10:24] <jonsowman> edit source files
[10:24] <jonsowman> did you expect something for sophisticated? ;)
[10:24] <jonsowman> *mroe
[10:24] <jonsowman> *more
[10:24] <jonsowman> well done me
[10:24] <NigelMoby> god@almighty.com ?
[10:25] <fsphil> god@.
[10:26] <nosebleedkt> http://www.circuitsathome.com/mcu/controlling-canon-powershot-cameras-to-arduino
[10:26] <nosebleedkt> sounds awesome
[10:26] <NigelMoby> lol Ello phil
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[10:27] <god> someone called ?
[10:27] Nick change: god -> Guest7292
[10:28] <NigelMoby> lol
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[10:29] <gonzo__> could only manage a lower case god? Must be dur to cutbacks
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[10:35] <costyn> jonsowman: yes, the bot in our work irc channel is quite sophisticated
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[10:35] <jonsowman> costyn: hehe, this one really isn't
[10:36] <costyn> nosebleedkt: interesting
[10:36] <jonsowman> I think he was hoping for retirement when griffonbot turned up
[10:36] <jonsowman> but no such luck
[10:36] <jonsowman> so now he's old and grumpy
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[10:48] <UpuWork> costyn if you want adding I can put you on just pm your mail address
[10:50] <costyn> UpuWork: nah... I haven't ever seen it used here before, and summons are usually done through the mailing list
[10:50] <UpuWork> case sensitive
[10:52] <UpuWork> btw amusingly ifyou summon with no matching recipient
[10:52] <fsphil> only 8 combinations for upu
[10:52] <UpuWork> J Coxon gets it
[10:52] <UpuWork> so when you summon God
[10:52] <UpuWork> you get James
[10:53] <costyn> haha
[10:54] <fsphil> I bet he loves that
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[11:55] <griffonbot> Received email: GMT "[UKHAS] Re: Launches 30/11 & 1/12"
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[12:51] <pthomas> hey
[12:52] <pthomas> does anyone know what the price is for the u-blox max6 gps?
[12:52] <costyn> pthomas: http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/category&path=59_60
[12:52] <Darkside> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_64&product_id=50
[12:52] <Darkside> snap
[12:52] <costyn> Darkside: beat a
[12:52] <costyn> ya*
[12:54] <pthomas> thanks guys
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[12:55] <costyn> pthpthpth
[12:55] <costyn> erm
[12:55] <zyp> smtsmtsmt
[12:55] <UpuWork> ta :)
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[13:54] <RG_LZ1DEV> so windows server have offer assistance option
[13:55] <RG_LZ1DEV> but some administrator needs to fill in creds on the user machine in order to allow the assiting person to answer UAC prompts
[13:55] <RG_LZ1DEV> what the ???
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[14:06] <fsphil> you didn't get the telekinesis addon?
[14:09] <daveake> A customer once asked me if I could fix his keyboard when I remotely connected to his PC
[14:10] <daveake> I didn't have that addon either
[14:14] <cuddykid> lol
[14:14] Action: cuddykid getting highly irritated by JUnit tests
[14:16] <RG_LZ1DEV> fsphil: yeah, budgets...
[14:16] <RG_LZ1DEV> :D
[14:16] <RG_LZ1DEV> TIL they've added a option to disable secure desktop
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[14:38] <jdtanner> Afternoon troops
[14:38] <UpuWork> hey there
[14:39] <UpuWork> http://magpieview.upuaut.net/
[14:39] <jdtanner> Still off work&so I needed cheering up&which that just has :D
[14:39] <UpuWork> thats for a 42km burst
[14:40] <jdtanner> Although I don't really fancy a trip to Amsterdam at the moment ;)
[14:40] <UpuWork> no
[14:41] Action: costyn is in Amsterdam. not so great actually
[14:41] <jdtanner> Davis seems to have built up a good relationship with the CAA, so if you are wanting to launch earlier than we are able to then&assuming a notam is granted&feel free to pop down
[14:41] <jdtanner> and launch.
[14:41] <UpuWork> Well launching on Friday
[14:41] <jdtanner> I can provide sandwiches :) Ah yes, I saw that on the email list :)
[14:43] <jdtanner> I'm not a million miles away from having our own tracker completed in hardware&which is nice. However, I'm not wanting to rush it and make a cockup :)
[14:43] <UpuWork> no take your time
[14:44] <costyn> soldering is my favorite part :)
[14:47] <jdtanner> Mine to&but veroboard isn't ;) I am yet again thnking of doing a one-off PCB but can't find/remember who to use & I'm a plonker
[14:47] <UpuWork> Well make the PCb in Eagle
[14:47] <UpuWork> and I can suggest someone
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[14:49] <jdtanner> Cool, that sounds great. Prepare to be *amazed* as to how inept I am at PCB design ;)
[14:50] <UpuWork> can't be any worse than I was first time roundf
[14:50] <costyn> jdtanner: we all start out that way
[14:50] Action: costyn is still afraid to try
[14:52] <jdtanner> lol&just watch :)
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[15:00] <pthomas> how much of a heat source do i need to keep the payload warm?
[15:01] <UpuWork> none
[15:01] <UpuWork> insulate and the electronics will do the rest
[15:01] <pthomas> really? cool
[15:02] <pthomas> what is the best material to make the payload of?
[15:02] <jdtanner> We use polystyrene boxes
[15:02] <pthomas> like styraphome?
[15:02] <jdtanner> (I think they are used to transport fish)
[15:03] <jdtanner> yeah
[15:03] <jdtanner> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LARGE-POLYSTYRENE-BOX-FISH-TRANSPORT-FOOD-PACKING-/290654268303
[15:03] <jdtanner> for example
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[15:04] <pthomas> is there a good alternative, we are hoping to make ours with a titanium rod frame, and then cover it in some sort of clear covering
[15:04] <eroomde> hard and pointy things are bad
[15:05] <eroomde> as a general rule
[15:05] <pthomas> ok
[15:05] <jdtanner> yeah&think: would I be happy with that falling on my head
[15:05] <jdtanner> if not
[15:05] <jdtanner> then don't do it ;)
[15:05] <gonzo___> I expect bubble wrap is usable for low altitude stuff
[15:05] <pthomas> but is there something we could use that is clear?
[15:05] <SpeedEvil> why?
[15:05] <eroomde> indeed
[15:06] <jdtanner> Are you planning on watching it all the way up? ;)
[15:06] <SpeedEvil> holes for the cameras work quite well
[15:06] <pthomas> we want to have some different camera angles that can see out of the sides
[15:06] <SpeedEvil> and you can't do optical quality sides
[15:06] <SpeedEvil> sanely
[15:06] <eroomde> just put holes in the polystyrene where you want a camera lens
[15:06] <eroomde> solved problem
[15:06] <SpeedEvil> indeed
[15:07] <pthomas> and there is a high chance of water landing so holes may not work well
[15:07] <SpeedEvil> over thinking is bad.
[15:07] <eroomde> a bit of air leakage is no big problem
[15:07] <eroomde> oh
[15:07] <eroomde> water landing is bad
[15:07] <pthomas> yeah
[15:07] <eroomde> well
[15:07] <costyn> pthomas: where are you located?
[15:07] <eroomde> people have put things like UV filters (you buy them from any photography shop) over the holes
[15:07] <pthomas> delaware usa
[15:07] <eroomde> so, holes in the polystrene as before
[15:07] <eroomde> then a skylight filter (uv filter) over the whole
[15:08] <eroomde> epoxy it down neatly to seal it
[15:08] <dahnrk> hello, i need some help with my working my NTX2
[15:08] <pthomas> maybe if we cut holes and put a film over it...
[15:08] <eroomde> pthomas: see above
[15:08] <eroomde> not a film
[15:08] <jdtanner> eroomde: good idea
[15:08] <eroomde> but a filter
[15:08] <pthomas> yeah
[15:08] <costyn> pthomas: the wind can't always blow the wrong way can it? have you tried the predictor? http://habhub.org/predict/
[15:08] <pthomas> yes
[15:08] <SpeedEvil> you absolutely must flush the box with dry nitrogen, or air, and put moisture absorners in
[15:08] <eroomde> pthomas: i highly recommend you buy a pressure equalisation gland if you're going to try and make it watertight (and therefore airtight)
[15:08] <pthomas> every time it has been a water landing
[15:08] <SpeedEvil> otherwise, you will get condenaatio
[15:09] <eroomde> you can buy them off the shelf
[15:09] <costyn> dahnrk: how can we help?
[15:09] <UpuWork> moisture absorners <- don't use, they just boil at altitude and release all the moisture
[15:09] <SpeedEvil> oops
[15:09] <SpeedEvil> thanks!
[15:10] <x-f> pthomas, forecasts should be way different towards summer
[15:10] <pthomas> so what type of moisture absorber will work then?
[15:10] <SpeedEvil> I'd take slight issue with the word boil, but fair point
[15:10] <pthomas> but we dont have summer to do it, as i am in high school
[15:10] <dahnrk> i setup up my ntx2 to my arduino using the ukhas e.g. and have my sdr and dlfdigi setup
[15:10] <dahnrk> i wanted to transmit some data to test its tx
[15:10] <costyn> pthomas: and you've sent up previous balloons that've ended up in the ocean?
[15:12] <pthomas> no we haven't, but taking average data from historical wind and weather data from our area, combined with multiple simulations from a range of websites, there is about an 80% chance of water landing
[15:12] <gonzo___> given the size of the UK landmass, it's a good chance
[15:12] <pthomas> im in the United States, not UK
[15:13] <eroomde> keep up gonzo___
[15:13] <SpeedEvil> water landing is pointless
[15:13] <SpeedEvil> unless you are going yo hire a boat
[15:13] <gonzo___> I'll blame it on VNC lag, as usual!
[15:13] <eroomde> pthomas: indeed - what is your plan to get it back?
[15:14] <pthomas> we have a boat we can use
[15:14] <SpeedEvil> in principle, you could put the whole payload in a 3l bottle through the nech
[15:14] <SpeedEvil> neck
[15:14] <eroomde> pthomas: ok cool
[15:14] <eroomde> so, let's assume you have recovery sorted
[15:14] <eroomde> there are a couple of things
[15:14] <SpeedEvil> camera quality will be bad
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[15:14] <pthomas> ok
[15:14] <eroomde> make sure it floats in such a way that the antenna is up in the air
[15:14] <eroomde> otherwise you will never hear it once it lands
[15:14] <SpeedEvil> stab
[15:14] <pthomas> yeah i have thought of a way to make that work
[15:15] <eroomde> this is assuming you're using a radio
[15:15] <eroomde> and not sattelite
[15:15] <SpeedEvil> stable 2 is bad!
[15:15] <pthomas> right
[15:15] <costyn> dahnrk: and you're not getting anything?
[15:15] <eroomde> pthomas: cool, ok
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[15:15] <eroomde> and pthomas, please ensure you either test it at low external presure first
[15:15] <SpeedEvil> also, think about the chute
[15:15] <eroomde> or put a pressure equlaisation gland in
[15:16] <costyn> heh... yea airtight and massive pressure differentials fun fun fun
[15:16] <SpeedEvil> chute can drag it over/under when it lands
[15:16] <eroomde> because if you're going to make it watertight, you don;t want it to explode at low ambient pressures
[15:16] <jdtanner> dahnrk: What is the problem? :)
[15:16] <pthomas> thats the problem with putting holes in it, is water leakeage
[15:16] <eroomde> yes
[15:16] <eroomde> so
[15:16] <eroomde> pressure equalisation gland
[15:16] <eroomde> before i get rsi
[15:16] <costyn> eroomde: :)
[15:17] <jdtanner> lol
[15:17] <pthomas> i just shy away from having to cut a hole in the payload
[15:17] <dahnrk> well i should see a spike in frequency of my payload, but it just shows my central freq
[15:17] <eroomde> pthomas: well, you could perhaps use a completely clear box
[15:17] <eroomde> off the shelf
[15:17] <eroomde> and hope that the internal cameras dump enough heat to keep everything warm
[15:18] <costyn> dahnrk: maybe your bandwidth is not wide enough? I'm not very familiar with SDR
[15:18] <BrainDamage> or make a payload that can withstand 1atm pressure all over it
[15:18] <jdtanner> dahnrk: can you take a screengrab so we can see what you mean please?
[15:18] <costyn> dahnrk: have you zoomed in?
[15:18] <pthomas> what can i google to find that? c
[15:18] <jdtanner> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/WCS_Beebe_Barton_600.jpg/240px-WCS_Beebe_Barton_600.jpg
[15:18] <eroomde> useless heap of shit robot
[15:18] <costyn> jdtanner: haha
[15:18] <jdtanner> ;)
[15:19] <costyn> eroomde: they look heavy
[15:19] <jdtanner> sorry&couldn't resist
[15:19] <pthomas> wait, could i just use a tupperware or something?
[15:20] <dahnrk> i zoom in but on the sdr application it shows only one jump in frequency, ill take a scrreengrab
[15:20] <eroomde> it might not hold the pressure
[15:20] <costyn> pthomas: the air will leak out on the way up. it'l compress on the way down. although it's only 1 BAR, you cantest it by taking it into a swimming pool down a few meters
[15:20] <eroomde> and the plastic isn;t actually that good optically
[15:21] <jdtanner> dahnrk: might be useful to see your code as well :)
[15:21] <pthomas> is there a website that has the clear polystyrene box?
[15:21] <eroomde> possibly
[15:21] <eroomde> you would have to find out by doing some research
[15:21] <pthomas> i am trying to fined one
[15:21] <eroomde> try places like newark
[15:21] <pthomas> i have to go to class soon :(
[15:22] <eroomde> but i don;t think this is a good course of action
[15:22] <eroomde> so i will say this
[15:22] <costyn> pthomas: but you tried the habhub.org/predict many times and you land in the ocean every time?
[15:22] <pthomas> yes
[15:22] <pthomas> we are pretty close
[15:22] <eroomde> my advice is to make a polysytrene box, cut holes in it for camera lenses, use filters to cover the holes, and put in a pressure equalisation gland
[15:22] <eroomde> you can ignore this advice as you please
[15:22] <jdtanner> Can you launch from elsewhere?
[15:22] <eroomde> but it puts the onus on you to figure it out yourself
[15:23] <pthomas> yeah
[15:23] <pthomas> thanks guys, i have to go
[15:23] <costyn> or just enclose the tracker in a tupperware box, and the camera's in diving boxes ?
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[15:23] <eroomde> but for waterproof enclosures, try electronics retailers like digikey and newark
[15:23] <costyn> then duct tape it together :)
[15:23] <eroomde> use ip67 as a search time
[15:23] <dahnrk> jdtanner: im using a demo code at the moment which is transmitting rtty
[15:23] <eroomde> google what ip67 means for an explanation
[15:24] <jdtanner> dahnrk: just drop it on pastebin.com and we can have a look
[15:24] <jdtanner> :)
[15:24] <eroomde> we need the screen grab too
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[15:24] <icecdoco1p> that code is for arduino?
[15:24] <costyn> pthomas: what kind of camera's?
[15:24] <jdtanner> I can't help but think of this http://blog.makezine.com/2012/01/17/transparent-aluminum/
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[15:28] <costyn> eroomde: I was thinking not everything has to be in the same box. you can put your tracker electronics in 1 tupperware box, and depending on the cameras get individual housings for them, although being a high school student they probably won't have the budget for it
[15:28] <eroomde> that's also true
[15:28] <eroomde> eg the gopro's waterproof enclosure
[15:28] <costyn> yea exactly
[15:29] <eroomde> thought it's nice to get the benefit of the heat generated by the cameras to keep the rest of the payload warm
[15:30] <costyn> yea; dont any holes you make for the lens negate that though? At least the holes I make aren't exactly airtight
[15:30] <dahnrk> http://pastebin.com/J7QtdQbV
[15:30] <costyn> dahnrk: you're seeing your LED 13 blinking right?
[15:30] <eroomde> dahnrk: and the promised screen grab?
[15:33] <eroomde> i think dahnrk's net connection is routed via msl curiosity
[15:33] <icecdoco1p> :)
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[15:34] <jdtanner> So, that is the code from http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2 Did you get the first example working i.e. a high/low tone
[15:35] <costyn> the suspense is killing me
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[15:36] <jdtanner> lol
[15:36] <costyn> </arthur>
[15:36] <eroomde> dahnrk: there are people here willing to help you. if you're having net connection problems or something, then ok
[15:36] <icecdoco1p> what is the radio you guys recomend for SSB at 434Mhz band?
[15:36] <costyn> icecdoco1p: do you want cheap or good?
[15:36] <eroomde> but if you have the option to be a little less glacial, please respect the time and the generosity of the people here by being a bit more responsive
[15:37] <dahnrk> yes im still here, just struggling on this screengrab
[15:37] <eroomde> well ok don;t worry about it for now if it's not working
[15:37] <eroomde> we'll do what we can with what we've got
[15:37] <dahnrk> im using the ntx2
[15:37] <icecdoco1p> cheap, I'm a newbie and I'm still learning all of this :)
[15:38] <eroomde> icecdoco1p: well, the usb dongles are super cheap (£23/$35) but not hugely sensitive
[15:38] <costyn> icecdoco1p: then get the USB SDR dongle: http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=71_63&product_id=70
[15:38] <eroomde> still good enough for lots of stuff but you probably won;t be competiting with the big boys at 500km range
[15:38] <eroomde> if you want something that can compete, then a second hand yaesu FT-790R on ebay is the weapon of choice for a very large number of beginner habbers
[15:39] <icecdoco1p> Thank you for the info. That's great!
[15:39] <costyn> icecdoco1p: if you're going to order the dongle, get the HABAmp too: http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=71_63&product_id=73
[15:39] <costyn> icecdoco1p: it'll make life easier
[15:40] <dahnrk> costyn my led 13 is blinking
[15:40] <eroomde> jdtanner ^
[15:41] <costyn> dahnrk: ok, that means your code is most lkely ok
[15:41] <icecdoco1p> I see. That provides gain and also takes care of the OOB modulation. Great piece of kit. Great combo. thank you
[15:41] <dahnrk> with the rtty code it blinks randomly
[15:41] <eroomde> at what sort of rate?
[15:42] <costyn> icecdoco1p: you'll still need an antenna and other assorted bits, but this is the cheapest route
[15:42] <dahnrk> it blinks in at half a second, but after a second it will freeze
[15:42] <eroomde> because the clock fuse bits can sometimes cause everything to be much slower than it's meant to be
[15:42] <eroomde> of course i am talking bollocks
[15:42] <eroomde> because this is designed for arduino
[15:42] <eroomde> which takes care of all that for you
[15:42] <eroomde> i still haven't caught up with 5 years ago
[15:43] <costyn> dahnrk: does it start up again after stopping?
[15:43] <eroomde> DanielRichman: does it appear to do this blink then freeze about once every 5 or 10s?
[15:43] <dahnrk> yes, after a second it goes back to the random blinking
[15:43] <eroomde> DanielRichman: sorry failed autocomplete. i meant dahnrk
[15:43] <costyn> dahnrk: ok sounds good
[15:44] <dahnrk> im setup my receiver according: http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:sdr_tracker
[15:44] <costyn> I think it's probably a SDR configuration thing. Upu once TeamViewed into a guys setup to fix it. I'm not familiar with the SDR sofwtare.
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[15:46] <dahnrk> hang on, i think i might be getting something on my dl-flidgi
[15:47] <dahnrk> " eeei efaRt - g" is what is shown on the beige box
[15:47] <costyn> dahnrk: play with the volume/gain... might be too loud or too soft
[15:47] <costyn> dahnrk: are you seeing 2 lines in the 'waterfall'? the text output doesn't help us unfortunately
[15:48] <costyn> dahnrk: it's really gotta look like this: http://ukhas.org.uk/_detail/guides:sdr_7.png?id=guides%3Asdr_tracker
[15:48] <costyn> 2 yellow or red lines on a blue background
[15:48] <dahnrk> nope
[15:49] <dahnrk> it shows a yellow background with blue on the endges
[15:49] <costyn> dahnrk: can you pipe the output of the SDR to speakers? you should hear 2 tones
[15:49] <dahnrk> edges
[15:50] <costyn> I'm curious about the sound it produces. with that we should know that your NTX is correctly wired with the resistors
[15:51] <dahnrk> i have made sure the wiring is fine
[15:51] <dahnrk> its just the noise is random with random sounds
[15:52] <costyn> but 2 tones right?
[15:52] <eroomde> can you explain what you think the difference is between random noise and random sounds, please
[15:52] <eroomde> i.e. do you actually mean there are two parts to what you can hear, 'random noise' and 'random sounds'
[15:52] <eroomde> ?
[15:53] <costyn> dahnrk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioteletype#Media <-- sample of RTTY on the right
[15:53] <icecdoco1p> if you could user Bambuser ou Ustream site, it would help to video and audio stream what you are doing. I twould be easier to help-
[15:54] <dahnrk> i dont get that sound, more noise, but there are one/two beeps in the background fading away
[15:54] <UpuWork> dahnrk - www.join.me lets see what you can see
[15:54] <costyn> dahnrk: http://www.nonstopsystems.com/radio/sounds/radio-audio-rtty-425-50.wav <-- another sample
[15:55] <dahnrk> plus when the sdr app is off, and ntx2 is in tx i get " eeei efaRt - g z t ter,|e aierat eee?a eeeeei " on the dl-flidgi
[15:55] <costyn> dahnrk: that's just background noise dl-fldigi tries to convert to something meaningful
[15:55] <costyn> anyways, I need to scram... dahnrk good luck
[15:55] <dahnrk> oh ok
[15:57] <UpuWork> dahnrk lets see your screen and we can probably sort this alot quicker
[15:57] <costyn> dahnrk: let UpuWork guide you, he's a Jedi Master of HAB and radio and electronics
[15:57] <UpuWork> bwhaha
[15:57] <UpuWork> Jedi bodger
[15:57] <costyn> "if he can't help you, no one can"
[15:57] <dahnrk> UpuWork, using the join.me
[15:57] <dahnrk> ?
[15:57] <UpuWork> yes go there click basic
[15:58] <UpuWork> run it and you can then give me / us a link
[15:58] <UpuWork> we can see your screen in real time
[15:58] <costyn> UpuWork: are you saying "join me and we can rule the galaxy together" ?
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[15:58] <icecdoco1p> (don't bother to hide your pr0n folder)
[15:58] <UpuWork> I'm 10th Dan in the long lost art of No Kan Do
[15:58] <costyn> :D
[15:58] Action: costyn is really afk now
[15:58] <UpuWork> yeah if your desktop wall paper is offensive let me know as I'm at work
[15:59] <UpuWork> I remoted into a customers the other day and it was 2 blokes fellating each other
[15:59] <daveake> lol
[15:59] <icecdoco1p> L0L
[15:59] <dahnrk> Lool, dont worry, i think you would enjoy it
[15:59] <UpuWork> i didn't even know blokes could do that manouver I consider myself educated
[16:00] <dahnrk> 444911123
[16:01] <UpuWork> ok thats the DC
[16:01] <UpuWork> in the middle
[16:01] <UpuWork> you can safely ignore that
[16:02] <UpuWork> click configure next to RTL-SDR
[16:02] <UpuWork> doesn't look like you're running the full bandwidth
[16:02] <UpuWork> oh you are
[16:02] <UpuWork> ok so whats transmitting ?
[16:02] <dahnrk> ukhas e.g. code
[16:03] <UpuWork> playing from a recorded wav or you're actually transmitting from a radio ?
[16:03] <dahnrk> no, im actually transmitting
[16:03] <UpuWork> ok do the following
[16:04] <UpuWork> which NTX2 do you have 650 ?
[16:04] Nick change: Elwell_ -> Elwell
[16:04] <dahnrk> thats right
[16:04] <UpuWork> ok move the center frequency to 434,000,000
[16:04] <UpuWork> you can close that small window
[16:05] <UpuWork> ok
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[16:05] <jdtanner> sorry&was afk for a while&Upu on the case now I see ;)
[16:05] <UpuWork> fill the screen with SDR#, then right turn the radio circuit off entirely. Then wait 5 secs then turn it back on again
[16:06] <UpuWork> -right
[16:06] <UpuWork> I meant the NTX2
[16:06] <UpuWork> not the SDR
[16:06] <UpuWork> leave that running
[16:07] <UpuWork> if its on I can't see it. What antenna is on the SDR and what is on the NTX2 ?
[16:08] <dahnrk> i turned it off
[16:08] <UpuWork> turn it back on with SDR# full screen
[16:08] <dahnrk> no antenna with ntx2, and a dipole with ezcap
[16:08] <UpuWork> ok stick a piece of wire 164mm long onto the NTX2
[16:09] <UpuWork> just a normal wire
[16:09] <UpuWork> or a patch cable close to that length
[16:09] <UpuWork> the dipole I assume is for 70cms ?
[16:09] <eroomde> a wet noodle would work at that distance
[16:09] <UpuWork> or a wet noodle
[16:09] <UpuWork> but it has to be 164mm long
[16:09] <eroomde> sigh
[16:09] <UpuWork> :)
[16:11] <dahnrk> on the ntx2 tx pin?
[16:11] <UpuWork> theres 3 pins then 4 pins
[16:11] <UpuWork> its the middle of the 3 pins
[16:11] <dahnrk> ok
[16:12] <UpuWork> Its called RF Out, TXD is the line from the microcontroller
[16:13] <dahnrk> done
[16:14] <UpuWork> ok its still not there
[16:14] <UpuWork> can you take a picture of how you have the NTX2 wired up ?
[16:14] <UpuWork> the 4 pins
[16:15] <UpuWork> 4 is EN, 5 VCC 6 GND and 7 TXD
[16:15] <UpuWork> 4&5 need to be connect to VCC
[16:15] <UpuWork> 6 GND
[16:15] <UpuWork> just do that and you should see something on the SDR
[16:15] <UpuWork> just a single line
[16:18] <dahnrk> email
[16:18] <dahnrk> the picture
[16:18] <UpuWork> oh just another thing
[16:18] <UpuWork> do you have a remote control for your car ?
[16:18] <UpuWork> key fob
[16:18] <dahnrk> yes, but not with me
[16:19] <UpuWork> was about to say stick it near the SDR and press unlock
[16:20] <dahnrk> i thave 2 dongles
[16:20] <dahnrk> i can try the other one
[16:22] <UpuWork> stick the image on imgur.com
[16:22] <dahnrk> upuWork, what time will you be available tomorrow, im going in 30mins
[16:23] <UpuWork> just ping me if I'm about I'll respond
[16:24] <kokey> oh something about reaction engines in the news
[16:24] <eroomde> quite right too
[16:25] <dahnrk> ok ill ping you tomorrow, cheers for the help anyway
[16:25] <UpuWork> nps
[16:25] <jdtanner> Out of interest dahnrk, did you get the first example on the wiki up and running before trying RTTY?
[16:26] <dahnrk> yes jdtanner, but there was the same problem, on the arduino it showed blinking L light
[16:27] <kokey> I wonder if this could make rocks for my jack daniels quicker
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[16:29] <jdtanner> Not sure what everyone else thinks, but I'm a massive believer in simplicity :) When I started out I replaced the NTX2 with an LED (back in those days there were two LEDs&but I digress). Personally, I would try building a circuit to get a single LED to flash instead of trying to get the NTX2 transmitting ;)
[16:30] <daveake> I agree; one step at a time. To much impatience here generally in wanting to get a tracker running.
[16:31] <UpuWork> GiEF CODe nAAAAA
[16:31] <eroomde> let's not even get me started on this one
[16:31] <UpuWork> lol yes
[16:31] <daveake> e.g. with the NTX2, just give it power and enable signal, and look for the transmission. Don't even bother with a processor at that point
[16:31] <UpuWork> I try to instil this
[16:31] <eroomde> 'i have found this tutorial and blindly followed it' then 'and then i found this one and blindly followed it' and then 'and then i did this one'
[16:31] <UpuWork> hence the hi lo code
[16:32] <eroomde> and then coming on irc saying 'it doesn't worl'
[16:32] <daveake> (says the person who wired up signal/GND the wrong way round earlier this week) :p
[16:32] <eroomde> it does more harm than good
[16:32] <UpuWork> then I mixed it with some test code I found on the internets and now my Arduinos is broken why ?
[16:32] <jdtanner> However, I'm also a believer of encouraging enthuiasm ;)
[16:32] <UpuWork> mixed with patience is good
[16:32] <jdtanner> Perfect mix
[16:33] <jdtanner> :)
[16:33] <eroomde> bit.ly/rr15aM
[16:33] <daveake> You see, I get enthused when I try a small step and find that it actually works
[16:33] <jdtanner> me to
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[16:33] <UpuWork> so thats what Lunar looks like
[16:33] <daveake> So lots of small steps and I'm very enthused
[16:33] <jdtanner> o
[16:34] <jdtanner> UpuWork: cruel ;)
[16:34] <UpuWork> he knows I'm joking
[16:34] <eroomde> jdtanner: you should have come here 3 years ago
[16:34] <eroomde> we would spend hours helping people out
[16:34] <eroomde> but
[16:34] <daveake> So now I know why he often says "Well I took this problem to the Lab ..."
[16:34] <eroomde> when the quality of the questions only gets worse, you just wonder why you bother
[16:34] <eroomde> and it has only gotten worse
[16:34] <UpuWork> well get ready for the influx on Saturday
[16:34] Action: daveake waits ...
[16:34] <eroomde> i feel a bit like a parent sometimes
[16:35] <eroomde> whose child is still living at home
[16:35] <eroomde> and not really got a job
[16:35] <eroomde> at age 29
[16:35] <UpuWork> in fact best if you just log off on Sat eroomde
[16:35] <eroomde> it wasn't meant to be like this
[16:35] <jdtanner> lol&I've had my fair share of help from the hive mind as well. I'm a believer in giving back&but also in trying to do something until my fingers bleed before asking ;)
[16:37] <eroomde> but it does get harder with all these tutorials
[16:37] <eroomde> even with arduino
[16:37] <jdtanner> What I've noticed is that the questions people ask are normally the same&and the answers are either very simple (i.e. human error, typos, mis-wire), odd (i.e. WProgram.h being replaced with Arduino.h), or difficult (can't think of an example off the top of my head)
[16:37] <eroomde> like, the more 'black box' the various stages become, the harder it is to understand what's actually happening
[16:38] <UpuWork> well I was hoping the tutorials made it easier to understand
[16:38] <jdtanner> Agreed.
[16:38] <eroomde> more and more stuff is hidden from you, and if you come across a problem, you're really ill-equipped to uderstand how to fix it
[16:38] <jdtanner> Both in a way I think tbh.
[16:38] <eroomde> the tutorials are great if the reader has discipline
[16:38] <eroomde> as we've discussed
[16:38] <eroomde> but most want you to spoon feed it to them
[16:38] <jdtanner> They help loads, but also empower people with little experience to 'have a go' with a lot of help
[16:38] <UpuWork> yeah guess people jsut paste code and move on without understanding
[16:38] <eroomde> so the issue is sort of orthogonal to intention
[16:39] <eroomde> they mean well, and they're a great resource to the honest student
[16:39] <jdtanner> ^agree
[16:39] <eroomde> but they do mean we get a lot more 'der it not working dur' coming onto the channel
[16:39] <daveake> Replace all the variables in the tutorial sample code with "ImALazyGit" etc
[16:39] <UpuWork> :)
[16:39] <jdtanner> Something that might help is actually showing pseudo code&rather than real code.
[16:40] <jdtanner> Just a thought
[16:40] <jdtanner> Apart from bits of code that are just too useful to do without ;)
[16:40] <daveake> I'm proud that my very first question on the channel was "how can I upload this flight doc?" :)
[16:40] <eroomde> yeah, even if it's really arduino-code-like pseudo-code
[16:40] <eroomde> something that actually forces a considered line-by-line translation on the reader
[16:40] <eroomde> i dunno
[16:40] <eroomde> i'm probably just being unrelaistic
[16:41] <eroomde> back in the early days, when it was smaller and more obscure, it just seemed to attract a higher proportion of people who understood what they were doing already
[16:42] <eroomde> at least, they could write some embedded code
[16:42] <eroomde> and the question were all about designing fill rigs and stuff
[16:42] <eroomde> but so much of it now is 101 programming support
[16:42] <jdtanner> A good reason for introducing pseudocode would be the introduction of newer, perhaps more innovative, code into the gene pool.
[16:42] <bertrik> eroomde: wish everyone was as smart, patient and understanding as you are? :)
[16:43] <eroomde> that would be a start
[16:43] <jdtanner> However, it is easy for me to say this having benefitted from the hive mind already
[16:43] <jdtanner> ;)
[16:45] <kokey> mine was more about helping me debug some module connections
[16:45] <kokey> and a bunch of 'why this?' questions
[16:46] <kokey> and looking for people to agree with me that the arduino IDE was, uhm, special
[16:46] <jdtanner> :)
[16:47] <kokey> oh an recommendations on tools etc.
[17:03] <Laurenceb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20529287
[17:03] <Laurenceb> rofl
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[17:13] <cuddykid> ha
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[17:31] <jdtanner> lol
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[19:05] <jcoxon> evening all
[19:14] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] Hwoyee 1600g early burst."
[19:14] <Upu> evening jcoxon
[19:14] <jcoxon> hey Upu
[19:14] <jcoxon> so lots of launches it seems
[19:15] <Upu> yeah
[19:15] <Upu> we are doing the reg this weekend
[19:15] <Upu> are you about to moderate the channel if needed ?
[19:16] <jcoxon> yeah i can try
[19:16] <jcoxon> (as in i can try to get the day free)
[19:16] <Upu> cheers
[19:16] <Upu> quick PM
[19:16] <jcoxon> uhuh
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[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[19:26] <craag> Anyone is welcome to wipe CRAAG1 off spacenear btw. I have a feeling that the large number of data points might be causing some page-load performance issues.
[19:28] <daveake> Done. But actually Lumia has 3 times as many
[19:28] <daveake> So not your fault :)
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[19:29] <craag> Ah yeah. ~10,000 new positions on page load to ~7,700.
[19:29] <costyn> are you testing the adafruit thing for the reg?
[19:30] <daveake> That's Upu's flight on Friday
[19:30] <costyn> ah
[19:30] <daveake> Not for the reg
[19:30] <Upu> just for Adafruit really
[19:30] <costyn> so what's this about an influx of n00bs on sat?
[19:30] <daveake> Adafruit have a GPS that needs testing at proper altitudes
[19:31] <costyn> teaming masses
[19:31] <costyn> thundering hordes
[19:31] <Upu> well
[19:31] <Upu> details on the The Reg launch are probably going to be posted on the reg
[19:31] <Upu> if natrium42 doesn't mind
[19:32] <Upu> as its his server thats going to bear the brunt of it
[19:32] <Upu> which means we may get lots of new trackers but we are likely to get lots of idiots too
[19:32] <Upu> so if you lot are about as the regulars if you could answer any dumb questions they come up with I'd appreciate it
[19:32] <daveake> trackertards
[19:33] <Upu> Why is space black ? Are we in space yet ?
[19:33] <jdtanner> :)
[19:33] <Upu> etc
[19:33] <jcoxon> we should update the images on the wiki guide
[19:33] <jdtanner> lol
[19:33] <Upu> that would really help if someone could volunteer for the tracking guide
[19:33] <costyn> weekends are usually tough for me, lots of time spent on entertaining kids etc
[19:33] <Upu> thats not a problem costyn
[19:34] <jdtanner> What needs dong Upu&I'm sat on my arse doing nowt at the moment
[19:34] <costyn> would like to help. I feel I have recently gained enough knowledge to be able to help others instead of only asking questions, so I like to pay it forward
[19:34] <Upu> well going to need people on here
[19:34] <jcoxon> jdtanner, oooo for the wiki guide?
[19:34] <Upu> answering questions on dl-fldigi
[19:35] <Upu> and on the batc.tv stream
[19:35] <Upu> if it comes off
[19:35] <Upu> we may not publise it yet
[19:35] <jdtanner> Anything tbh&I'll be around over the weekend to answer dumb questions etc. If the wiki needs updating then, if I'm able, I'll volunteer ;)
[19:35] <costyn> does it have the oomph to handle that kind of load?
[19:35] <jcoxon> http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide#dl-fldigi
[19:35] <jcoxon> yes please
[19:36] <number10> when is that going to be Upu ?
[19:36] <jcoxon> its a pretty old version
[19:36] <Upu> Saturday
[19:36] <number10> ok, I'll try and be helpful for a change
[19:37] <Upu> lol
[19:37] <Upu> you're on recover duty aren't you ?
[19:37] <Upu> :)
[19:37] <number10> lol, in the sea is it ? thanks pal
[19:37] <Upu> haha
[19:37] <number10> havent seen prediction btw
[19:37] <Upu> actually latest is land
[19:38] <number10> do u have link to latest prediction
[19:38] <jdtanner> jcoxon: Just needs an update? I use OSX, so if that isn't a problem, then I'll update. Anythign specific missing?
[19:38] Action: costyn is reading through it. I'll fix anything I think needs fixing
[19:39] <costyn> looks like we need new screenshots too correct?
[19:39] <jdtanner> I think there will need to be a hefty update as things are a little different since that was written I suspect&happy to help :) Screenshots&I would yeah
[19:41] <jdtanner> Where is the latest dl-fldigi nowadays?
[19:42] <costyn> jdtanner: heh... I think that's the first thing that needs to go on that wiki page :)
[19:42] <costyn> jdtanner: http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi
[19:42] <jdtanner> Yeah, the current link points to github ;)
[19:43] <Upu> however a link from the track guide with "Download" could be clearer
[19:43] <jdtanner> Agreed
[19:43] <costyn> yea will fix it as soon as I find my login
[19:43] <jdtanner> costyn: shout if you need help
[19:44] <costyn> sure
[19:45] <costyn> ugh... why is the edit button at the bottom of the section in docuwiki instead of the top (like mediawiki)</whine>
[19:45] <jdtanner> could probably do with a link from the top section (components) to http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:sdr_tracker as well
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[19:48] <costyn> jdtanner: go for it, I'm gonna make some screenshots now
[19:49] <jdtanner> cool&I'm washing up&will do it in 20mins or so
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[19:52] <costyn> hmmm... wife wants me to join in watching some tv
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[19:53] <costyn> I did some cleanup, jdtanner it's all yours
[19:53] <costyn> will make screenshots if you don't
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[19:53] <costyn> (tommorow probably)
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[20:20] Action: SpeedEvil fails to keep up, and notices the news on /.
[20:20] <SpeedEvil> congrats end!
[20:20] <SpeedEvil> ed
[20:20] <SpeedEvil> http://science.slashdot.org/story/12/11/28/1757252/british-skylon-engine-passes-its-tests
[20:23] <jdtanner> Great news!
[20:23] <jdtanner> On the dl-fldigi front&is the latest version for windows/linux now started with a single frontend like the mac? There used to be two icons&now only one ;)
[20:26] <Dan-K2VOL> hey upu you around?
[20:26] <Upu> o7
[20:27] <jcoxon> yeah just get the hab version now i think
[20:28] <jdtanner> cool&that needs amending in the wiki. Can somebody who is a Winblows usr please check for me?
[20:29] <Upu> evening Dan-K2VOL how's it going ?
[20:29] <Dan-K2VOL> hola
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[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> hello Upu
[20:34] <Upu> evening Lunar
[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> how is the life?
[20:35] <daveake> Evening Lunar. How may I divert your attention?
[20:35] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:35] <Lunar_Lander> just tell me something interesting
[20:35] <daveake> Upu is a bit busy you see
[20:35] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:36] <Upu> lol
[20:36] <Lunar_Lander> does "o7" mean busy?
[20:36] <daveake> Well I built a dual-mode tracker on a Mega in 3 hours. How's yours getting on? :)
[20:36] <Lunar_Lander> today I worked a bit more on the perfboard
[20:36] <daveake> :)
[20:36] <Lunar_Lander> it will be a bit smaller than the board that we made before
[20:36] <Lunar_Lander> if I get it right
[20:36] <daveake> It's always easier second time
[20:37] <jdtanner> Here you go&should keep you amused ;) http://memecrunch.com/meme/1TG1/arduino-like-a-boss/image.png
[20:37] <daveake> Lunar Here you go have a read of this :-) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/28/iridium_pi/
[20:38] <daveake> jdtanner lol
[20:39] <Lunar_Lander> COOL
[20:39] <jdtanner> ;)
[20:39] <daveake> Flying that on Saturday
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[20:40] <Lunar_Lander> yay
[20:40] <Lunar_Lander> hi GW8RAK
[20:41] <GW8RAK> Hi Lunar_Lander.
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[21:06] <Upu> hi Neil
[21:06] <nailed_barnacle> evening all - Anthony Stirk here?
[21:06] <nailed_barnacle> aha you are upu
[21:06] <Upu> it is I
[21:06] <Upu> join #spears
[21:06] <nailed_barnacle> you have no idea how long it is since I used an irc client!
[21:06] <Upu> lets chat there
[21:07] <nailed_barnacle> k
[21:07] <Upu> 1996 like everyone else probably
[21:07] <nailed_barnacle> probably even longer!
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[21:07] <SpeedEvil> :-)
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[21:33] <Lunar_Lander> hello New2Balloon
[21:34] <New2Balloon> hi...all good?
[21:35] <Lunar_Lander> yes, thanks
[21:35] <Lunar_Lander> and you?
[21:36] <New2Balloon> yes good thanks,,, better with advice Ive had from jftanner.... Txing from the NTX2 now :)
[21:36] <New2Balloon> sorry..jDtanner
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> that sounds good
[21:37] <New2Balloon> its great.. deconstructing code now in my reverse engineering theory...
[21:38] <New2Balloon> id there a list of up and coming launches?
[21:38] <New2Balloon> I'd like to heat to see one off
[21:42] <jdtanner> Ok, a few edits made to the http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
[21:42] <jdtanner> Just need to update a few other bits and bobs
[21:43] <gonzo___> launches are usually emailed on the google group
[21:43] <gonzo___> and in the pane on the spacenearus
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[21:44] <New2Balloon> ok..thanks
[21:44] <gonzo___> where are you based?
[21:45] <Laurenceb_> meanwhile on irc...
[21:45] <Laurenceb_> * flylite sets ban on *.*!bu.edu@*<flylite> sorry gents :(<crash_18974> so you banned an entire university?
[21:46] <New2Balloon> gonzo___, Isle of Wight ....... Johm Ackroyd. Remember?
[21:46] <jdtanner> But I'm not a windows user so I need somebody to tell me if you only get one icon now with dl-fldigi
[21:47] <jdtanner> anyone?
[21:47] <New2Balloon> i had two dl=fldigi and ...-hab
[21:47] <craag> jdtanner: Still 2 as of 3.21.50
[21:47] <gonzo___> deathly silence
[21:48] <jdtanner> right&so two icons in Windows
[21:48] <craag> Yep, and linux.
[21:48] <jdtanner> Ok&so it is only OSX that has one
[21:48] <gonzo___> 21.50! I need to update
[21:49] <gonzo___> New2Balloon, we are thinking about a pico flight in a few weeks, poole area
[21:50] <New2Balloon> great.. I'd been keen to see it and meet, if that's OK?
[21:51] <gonzo___> yep, np. Only a foil balloon, just for the fun of it
[21:52] <New2Balloon> that's fine.. I'll keep my eyes on irc
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[22:29] <pthomas> does anyone know of a good radio and a website?
[22:30] <jdtanner> www.bbc.co.uk/6music ?
[22:30] <jdtanner> ;)
[22:30] <pthomas> haha
[22:30] <jonsowman> haha
[22:31] <pthomas> no i live in USA anyways
[22:31] <jdtanner> I'd start here http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
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[22:37] <jdtanner> Specifically, I'd look at a DVB-T dongle if you are just starting out&that way if you decide you don't want to continue then you've got usb TV adaptor
[22:38] <jdtanner> ^ pthomas
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[22:42] <pthomas> thanks
[22:42] Nick change: Helios_STOLEN -> M0NSA
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[22:44] <jdtanner> pthomas&hit and run questioner ;)
[22:44] <jonsowman> lol
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[23:29] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[23:58] <Dan-K2VOL> hola upu, you around?
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