highaltitude.log.20121125

[00:01] <fsphil> if only I was taking off now, I could have tracked from the air :)
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[00:05] <Darkside> G7PMO_Kev:
[00:05] <Darkside> can you stop uploading to the tracker please?
[00:06] <fsphil> we need a testnear.us
[00:06] <fsphil> have spacenear just show active flights
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[00:10] <craag> Are receiver station icons not shown now?
[00:10] <Lunar_Lander> Darkside, yay
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[00:13] <cuddykid> looks like the domain is free fsphil :D
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[00:13] <fsphil> haha
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[00:14] <fsphil> I suspect this is already going to be a feature of the habiitat-enabled tracker
[00:20] <Darkside> fsphil: are you on a decent net connection?
[00:20] <fsphil> sadly not, it's trickling in
[00:21] <Darkside> dammit
[00:21] <Darkside> else i'd get you to run the websdr
[00:21] <fsphil> I might have better speed in an hour, but that could be too late
[00:22] <craag> Globaltuner?
[00:22] <Darkside> nah
[00:22] <Darkside> websdr running
[00:22] <Darkside> if someone wants to rx using it...
[00:22] <fsphil> worth a try
[00:22] <Darkside> i just dont want to paste the link in here
[00:22] <Darkside> as its on limited bandwidth
[00:22] <craag> I can for a little while.
[00:22] <Darkside> ok
[00:22] <Darkside> craag: pm
[00:22] <Laurenceb_> low noise floor
[00:23] <Laurenceb_> whats the rx bandwidth?
[00:23] <Darkside> 96KHz
[00:23] <Darkside> its using a funcube dongle with habamp
[00:23] <Darkside> there are some LIPD problems, but it's not too bad
[00:24] <fsphil> hmm.. habhound has broke again
[00:24] <fsphil> not showing the balloon
[00:24] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: i've PMed you the link too
[00:25] <Laurenceb_> nice, thanks
[00:25] <Darkside> the RX location is -35.081, 138.8640
[00:25] <Laurenceb_> i mean on the uplink
[00:25] <Darkside> if you want to set your dl-fldigi location accordingly
[00:25] <Darkside> oh
[00:25] <Laurenceb_> osiris
[00:25] <Darkside> yeah, it seems to be working well
[00:25] <Darkside> and thats *with* a boost converter
[00:25] <Laurenceb_> hehe
[00:26] <Laurenceb_> so whats osiris noise bandwidth?
[00:26] <Laurenceb_> for -102dbm
[00:26] <Darkside> about 5KHz
[00:26] <Laurenceb_> interesting
[00:27] <Darkside> so if either you or craag could decode the payload that'd be appreciated
[00:27] <Laurenceb_> so you might get to something like -110dBm with a well implimented 50bps link
[00:27] <Laurenceb_> - sensitivity
[00:27] <Darkside> perhaps
[00:27] <Laurenceb_> cc1020 and dsp bit recovery
[00:27] <Laurenceb_> :P
[00:28] Action: Laurenceb_ grabs link budget calculator
[00:28] <craag> Yay decoding
[00:28] <Darkside> its not a rtlsdr!
[00:29] <Laurenceb_> or...
[00:29] <Darkside> how about VK5/M0DNY for your calsign :-)
[00:29] <Laurenceb_> rtlsdr with rpi and usb port
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[00:29] <craag> Yeah that sounds good :)
[00:29] <Darkside> haha
[00:29] <Darkside> awesome
[00:29] <Darkside> thanks
[00:30] <Darkside> just to reduce confusion
[00:31] <Darkside> i'd like to see how well that receiver works during descent
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[00:32] <craag> I won't be around that long I'm afraid, gotta get up early tomorrow. Can only do half an hour or so.
[00:33] <fsphil> I might be able to pick up after that
[00:33] <Darkside> ok
[00:33] <fsphil> if it's still in the air
[00:33] <Darkside> i'm sur we can find someone to pick up
[00:33] <Darkside> fsphil: it should be
[00:33] <Laurenceb_> Darkside: ok so i get about 160km range
[00:33] <fsphil> the airport has better wifi
[00:33] <Laurenceb_> with 10dBm uplink
[00:33] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: heh
[00:33] <Darkside> fsphil: haha
[00:33] <Darkside> ok
[00:33] <Laurenceb_> and yagi
[00:33] <Laurenceb_> so a little naughty
[00:33] <Laurenceb_> http://www.zytrax.com/tech/wireless/calc.htm
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[00:37] <fsphil> ah, old version of habhound
[00:37] Action: fsphil need to organise his files better
[00:37] <fsphil> okie, bbl
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[00:38] <Darkside> VK5KX: hello
[00:38] <VK5KX> Gidday Mark, I'm having the devils own time try to decode Horus
[00:39] <Darkside> whys that?
[00:39] <Darkside> are you using the latest verison of dl-fldigi?
[00:39] <vk5gr> darkside check terrys rx audio - we can hear him but he cant here us
[00:39] <VK5KX> in auto config for horus it places it in rtty 50, not 300
[00:39] <Darkside> VK5KX: hmm
[00:39] <Darkside> oh wait
[00:40] <Darkside> i dont think you're runnign the latest version of dl-fldigi
[00:40] <Darkside> http://habhub.org/files/dl-fldigi/dl-fldigi-DL3.0-windows-8714c31.exe
[00:40] <Darkside> vk5gr: the RX is droppin gout
[00:41] <Darkside> volume is fine
[00:41] <VK5KX> I dl'd 3.21.61 and cound'nt find the HAB version so I did a system restore back to 3.20.29
[00:41] <Darkside> yeah, you need to be running the latest
[00:41] <vk5gr> ok got the msg about frame seuence
[00:41] <vk5gr> no probs
[00:41] <vk5gr> see you in tailem ben?
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[00:41] <Darkside> vk5gr: i guess so
[00:41] <vk5gr> are any uyd guys chasing?
[00:41] <Darkside> no idea
[00:42] <vk5gr> presume your tracking osiris?
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[00:42] <Darkside> yeah
[00:43] <Darkside> got a guy from the UK using the remote rx
[00:43] <Darkside> seems to be working well
[00:44] <Lunar_Lander> Darkside, nice to see you flying again
[00:44] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[00:44] <Darkside> ok we're not stopping at tailem bend vk5gr
[00:44] <Darkside> we're gonna go straight out to near the landing site
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[00:47] <Laurenceb_> prediction is a little off
[00:48] <Darkside> yeah
[00:48] <Darkside> noticed that
[00:48] <Darkside> we're going on the in-car prediction
[00:48] <Darkside> ill refresh the gfs files on spacenearus
[00:48] <arko> woah
[00:49] <arko> theres one going on right now
[00:49] <arko> in OZ
[00:49] <arko> :) neat
[00:49] <Darkside> arko: yes, yes there is
[00:49] <Darkside> i'm in the red car
[00:49] <arko> is that you!?
[00:49] <arko> NO WAY!
[00:49] <arko> GO GO GO!!
[00:49] <Darkside> YES WAI
[00:49] <arko> :)
[00:49] <arko> i will streetview
[00:49] <Darkside> not much to see :P
[00:50] <arko> hah
[00:50] <arko> this is so cool
[00:51] <arko> wonder how accurate the prediction is
[00:51] <Darkside> heh
[00:51] <Darkside> not very at the moment
[00:51] <Darkside> i'm working on that..
[00:51] <arko> also, it seems to be adapting to data
[00:51] <arko> thats crazy
[00:51] <Darkside> you shoudl see what we have in teh cars :P
[00:52] <arko> this predictor keeps moving :P
[00:52] <Darkside> yeah
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[00:53] <craag> arko: What's even cooler is tracking it from the uk with a websdr :P
[00:54] <arko> you can hear it?
[00:54] <arko> http://i.imgur.com/LW6Fj.jpg
[00:54] <arko> looks like a great landing location
[00:54] <arko> fucking spiders and snakes thoug
[00:54] <arko> h
[00:54] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/NqHgl.jpg
[00:55] <arko> hahaha
[00:55] <arko> LIVE STREETVIEW MOTHER FUCKER
[00:55] <Darkside> training up a new navigator :D
[00:55] <arko> thats awesome
[00:55] <arko> woah you're driving on the wrong side of the road!
[00:55] <arko> where's her steering wheel!
[00:55] <Darkside> lol
[00:55] <Darkside> australia mate
[00:55] <Darkside> things are differnet over here
[00:55] <arko> i know i know
[00:56] <arko> i'll be over there this spring likely
[00:56] <craag> Looks like a rav4 to me..
[00:56] <arko> for a short visit
[00:56] <arko> thats cool to see though
[00:56] <Laurenceb_> is the live streetview working?
[00:56] <Darkside> craag: it is
[00:56] <Laurenceb_> or am i being trolled
[00:57] <arko> haha
[00:57] <arko> Darkside is the live streetview
[00:57] <arko> dude, dont get killed by snakes or something
[00:57] <Darkside> lol
[00:57] <arko> i have seen Austrilia over the internet
[00:57] <arko> you guys got spiders and shit
[00:57] <arko> russia has dashcams for accidents
[00:57] <Darkside> it's not *that* bad
[00:57] <arko> so no driing there
[00:57] <arko> driving*
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[00:58] <Laurenceb_> ok.. so where is this fabled live streetview?
[00:58] <arko> how is the predictor adjusting the path?
[00:58] <arko> reruns the prediction with known data?
[00:58] <arko> imgur
[00:59] <arko> its a joke Laurenceb_ :P
[00:59] <Laurenceb_> ah
[00:59] <Laurenceb_> <- slow
[00:59] <Darkside> yes
[00:59] <craag> arko: Yep, predictor re-runs every few strings with the latest balloon position and speed.
[00:59] <Laurenceb_> ages ago someone was talking about using the google api
[00:59] <arko> dude
[00:59] <arko> this is awesome
[00:59] <arko> craag thats amazing
[01:00] <SpeedEvil> it is
[01:00] <arko> WANT
[01:00] <Darkside> arko: we also do it offline in our cars
[01:00] <arko> smart
[01:00] <Laurenceb_> i dont see it re running
[01:00] <Laurenceb_> <- probably being slow
[01:00] <SpeedEvil> does the predictor also learn the ascent rate?
[01:00] <Laurenceb_> it is 1am in the uk
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[01:01] <arko> man that terrain looks amazing
[01:01] <Darkside> net connection dropping out here
[01:01] <arko> all flat
[01:01] <arko> we dont have there here :(
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[01:02] <natrium42> SpeedEvil: yes, it does
[01:02] <SpeedEvil> neat!
[01:02] <Laurenceb_> natrium42: on spacenear?!
[01:02] <natrium42> yeah
[01:02] <Laurenceb_> i dont see it updating..
[01:02] <Laurenceb_> f5
[01:02] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: ascent rate, not ascent wind speed
[01:03] <natrium42> and it also calculates descent rate once descent is detected
[01:03] <Laurenceb_> hmm now its gone
[01:03] <arko> is this open to use on our habs?
[01:03] <Laurenceb_> firefox
[01:03] <natrium42> sure
[01:03] <Laurenceb_> oh cool
[01:03] <arko> to do the predictions etc
[01:03] <natrium42> arko: the source is on github
[01:03] <Laurenceb_> just started running properly
[01:03] <Laurenceb_> seems a bit buggy here
[01:04] <Laurenceb_> im running firefox 16.0.1
[01:04] <natrium42> i am redoing the tracker UI
[01:04] <arko> natrium42: which one?
[01:04] <natrium42> using google maps v3
[01:04] <arko> i have the cusf tracker
[01:05] <natrium42> spacenear.us/tracker
[01:05] <arko> landing predictuor i mean
[01:05] <natrium42> oh
[01:05] <natrium42> one sec
[01:05] <arko> cant find the link on the page
[01:05] <craag> payload appears to be getting drifty..
[01:05] <arko> only see the cu spaceflight
[01:05] <Laurenceb_> natrium42: tracker locked up for me about 30 minutes ago
[01:05] <natrium42> arko, https://github.com/rjw57/cusf-landing-prediction
[01:05] <Laurenceb_> i reloaded, it didnt load the track until the next recalculated path
[01:05] <arko> yeah that one
[01:05] <arko> i have that running
[01:06] <arko> on my server
[01:06] <arko> but that's not http://spacenear.us/tracker/ is it?
[01:06] <arko> or am i looking at the wrong web directory?
[01:06] <craag> Well the one on spacenear can be set up for any flight if you ask the right people nicely.
[01:07] <arko> :)
[01:07] <craag> So no need to run your own copy.
[01:07] <natrium42> arko: here's the code running on spacenear.us http://pastie.org/private/g7eyqobkgpgar9i8w5glwq
[01:07] <arko> holy cow
[01:08] <arko> awesome
[01:08] <arko> thanks for sharing
[01:08] <arko> i'm trying to learn how all this stuff works and hopefully contribute something
[01:10] <natrium42> sorry about the formatting
[01:10] <arko> all good
[01:11] <arko> oh this is aprs?
[01:11] <arko> i see ax.25 in the description
[01:12] <craag> It looks like there is an aprs payload also on the balloon, but HORUS is 70cm rtty.
[01:12] <arko> oh ok
[01:12] <craag> (The one on spacenear.us)
[01:12] <arko> yeah
[01:12] <Darkside> there is no APRS on the balloon
[01:12] <arko> dude, this is awesome
[01:13] <Darkside> the AX.25 payload is not broadcasting APRS
[01:13] <craag> Oh ok.
[01:13] <arko> ah
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[01:14] <arko> natrium42: anyway to get involved and help out development?
[01:14] <craag> Hmm, the websdr is doing weird jumps in frequency by 100 or 200 hz every now and then..
[01:14] <Darkside> craag: dunno whats up with that
[01:15] <craag> Not a problem, dl-fldigi just shifts, but slightly strange, did it about 20 minutes ago as well.
[01:16] <craag> Just suddenly got very noisy.
[01:16] <craag> Went from S9+10db to invisible for a while.
[01:16] <craag> Now back.
[01:17] <Darkside> probably went through a null of the antenna
[01:17] <craag> Ah yeah, sounds likely.
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[01:19] <arko> Darkside: just wondering, why are you driving away from it?
[01:21] <Darkside> so our navigator can go to the loo
[01:22] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[01:22] <craag> Fair enough.
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[01:24] <arko> hahaha
[01:24] <VK5KX> Darkside, I notice the receiving stations for Horus are not shown on the 'spacenear.us' site any longer ??
[01:25] <arko> I'm like "interesting.. is that some radio strategy? Does this help them?"
[01:25] <arko> "nope, just peeing"
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[01:28] <Darkside> VK5KX: yeah not sure whats up with that
[01:29] <VK5KX> OK, was just wondering where NEX & DMC where located. No biggy
[01:29] <Lunar_Lander> Darkside, for some reason I was not able to put in a location into my new version of dl-fldigi
[01:29] <Lunar_Lander> maybe these people have the same problem
[01:30] <Darkside> no Lunar_Lander
[01:30] <Darkside> its not that
[01:30] <craag> oh burst.
[01:30] <Darkside> VK5KX: NEX is in Whyalla, DMC is in Pt Pirie
[01:31] <Darkside> yup, burst all right
[01:31] <VK5KX> Kewl, was up that way yeserday at Pt Germein for the contest :-)
[01:31] <Darkside> heh
[01:32] <Darkside> we just met VK5ZTJ and VK5ZD at karoonda
[01:32] <VK5KX> we did a few kilometers yesterday :-)
[01:33] Nick change: prawnsalad -> prawnsalad|away
[01:33] <Darkside> what band?
[01:35] <VK5KX> we had 9 bands 50MHz up to 24GHz
[01:36] <Darkside> nice
[01:37] <VK5KX> The frequency drift is a lot more stable on this flight
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[01:50] <fsphil> still up?
[01:51] <craag> Coming down, 8500m
[01:51] <fsphil> ah
[01:53] <fsphil> this thinkpad screen was definitely not designed for outdoor use
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[02:00] <esculca> hi everybody
[02:00] <fsphil> howdy esculca
[02:00] <esculca> have one question for you guys
[02:00] <fsphil> make it a good one
[02:01] <esculca> does anybody trie to use the 27MHz carrier to send telemetry from the hab?
[02:01] <craag> Darkside: Lost it, last good one was 3423m.
[02:01] <craag> Still getting partials though.
[02:01] <fsphil> I know a few have used 29MHz esculca, the 10m amateur band
[02:01] <esculca> yes, the CB
[02:02] <esculca> were they able to get the telemetry all the way up
[02:02] <esculca> ?
[02:02] <fsphil> I believe so, but I wasn't following the flight all the way
[02:02] <esculca> i see
[02:03] <esculca> so, everybidy here uses the 433 MHz?
[02:03] <fsphil> more or less
[02:03] <esculca> ok
[02:03] <Darkside> k
[02:03] <Darkside> at landing site
[02:03] <Darkside> well
[02:03] <Darkside> we think
[02:03] <fsphil> in the UK it's pretty much all 434MHz, in the US and AUS they also use 2m band
[02:03] <fsphil> for APRS
[02:03] <esculca> but for the APRS you have to a ham?
[02:03] <esculca> right?
[02:03] <esculca> I am not...
[02:03] <fsphil> indeed
[02:03] <fsphil> and not in the UK :)
[02:04] <Darkside> ok im putting away my laptop
[02:04] <fsphil> ham radio can't be used from a balloon here
[02:04] <esculca> no?
[02:04] <fsphil> there*
[02:04] <esculca> I am writing from Portugal btw
[02:04] <fsphil> you should be fine, but check the local laws
[02:04] <esculca> i will have a look
[02:04] <fsphil> getting an amateur license is pretty simple usually
[02:05] <esculca> form ham?
[02:05] <craag> Darkside: Still visible on waterfall, but no recognisable data now.
[02:05] <fsphil> 434mhz does work pretty well, I'd consider that too
[02:06] <esculca> ok
[02:06] <fsphil> it requires a much smaller antenna
[02:06] <esculca> can you follow the hab up to the 100Kfeet with 433 MHz?
[02:06] <fsphil> they've been tracked up to 43km
[02:07] <fsphil> in the air you'll have no problems
[02:07] <esculca> ok
[02:07] <fsphil> with a decent antenna they can be received over 400km away
[02:07] <esculca> ok
[02:07] <fsphil> the record is 800km
[02:07] <esculca> i am building my first hab
[02:07] <fsphil> I still remember my first :)
[02:07] <esculca> so, i don't know really know if i should start with 433MHz of 27MHz
[02:09] <fsphil> for low power levels, the range of 27mhz won't be much more than 434mhz
[02:09] <esculca> okay
[02:09] <esculca> i guess i will stick to the 433MHz for my first
[02:09] <fsphil> although the HF bands can be weird
[02:09] <esculca> hey
[02:09] <esculca> eberybody in thei chatroom is from the UK?
[02:10] <fsphil> it's a pretty mixed bunch these days
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[02:10] <fsphil> there's a flight in australia at the moment
[02:10] <fsphil> just landed I think
[02:10] <esculca> ok
[02:11] <esculca> any crazy ideas for future laucnhes?
[02:11] <fsphil> personally I'd just like ot launch :) it's been delayed for nearly 6 months now
[02:11] <fsphil> to*
[02:11] <esculca> ok
[02:12] <fsphil> nothing crazy, just a standard launch with a camera
[02:12] <fsphil> I'd like to get some video -- all my previous ones where just images
[02:12] <esculca> fsphil, you're the UK?
[02:12] <fsphil> normally yes, but at the moment I'm in Australia
[02:12] <esculca> ok
[02:12] <fsphil> for another few hours anyway
[02:13] <esculca> there's this balloon fiesta 2013
[02:13] <esculca> that will take place in walle
[02:13] <esculca> walles
[02:13] <esculca> are you at the airport?
[02:13] <fsphil> yea, chris's big idea
[02:13] <esculca> dont' know chris
[02:14] <fsphil> I am indeed, sitting on the observation deck watching the planes taking off and landing
[02:14] <esculca> long flight from there to thr UK
[02:14] <fsphil> very
[02:14] <fsphil> nearly 24 hours
[02:14] <esculca> so, are you going to baloon fiest as weel?
[02:15] <fsphil> probably not
[02:15] <esculca> i am planning to send my first hab in april
[02:15] <esculca> and prepare a new one for august
[02:15] <esculca> never been in walles
[02:15] <fsphil> wales is nice
[02:15] <esculca> so also a good chance to get to know the region
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[02:17] <fsphil> from the news it sounds like it's pretty damp there at the moment
[02:18] <fsphil> clear blue skies, 30c here. not sure I wanna go home :)
[02:18] <esculca> :)
[02:18] <esculca> too late now...
[02:18] <esculca> if you already waiting for boarding
[02:19] <fsphil> yep lol
[02:19] <fsphil> I'm not missing this flight, cost too much
[02:19] <esculca> can imagine
[02:19] <arko> Darkside: so close!
[02:19] <esculca> ok
[02:20] <esculca> gotta go now
[02:20] <esculca> buy everyone
[02:20] <fsphil> night!
[02:20] <esculca> have a safe trip fsphil
[02:20] <fsphil> thanks
[02:21] <arko> Darkside: what power is the primary radio?
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[02:22] <craag> arko: He's gone offline.
[02:22] <arko> ah
[02:22] <arko> derp
[02:22] <arko> critical moment :P
[02:23] <craag> I think they use 25mw, or have done on previous flights.
[02:24] <arko> do i see a touch down?
[02:24] <arko> touchdown*
[02:25] <craag> Yep.
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[02:42] <arko> what a nice place to land
[02:42] <arko> http://i.imgur.com/Cxxdl.jpg
[02:42] <arko> im use to seeing mountains
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[03:23] <Darkside> all recovered
[03:23] <Darkside> on our way back to the launch site now
[03:23] <Darkside> arko: 25mW
[03:25] <arko> woot!
[03:25] <arko> fun to watch these things real time
[03:25] <Darkside> hehe
[03:25] <Darkside> yep
[03:25] <arko> wow thats low power
[03:25] <Darkside> even better being in the chase car
[03:25] <Darkside> the UK guys use 10mW
[03:25] <arko> ok
[03:25] <arko> so im retuning this design then
[03:25] <arko> im at 4W
[03:26] <arko> thats crazy
[03:27] <Darkside> 4W for what, APRS?
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[03:50] <arko> APRS yes
[03:51] <Darkside> jeez
[03:51] <Darkside> we use 300mW
[03:52] <arko> yeah i was thinking 250mW
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[04:19] <fsphil> 10mw goes a long way :)
[04:20] <fsphil> nice thing about getting into the airport early is finding the seat next to a power socket :)
[04:21] <fsphil> got a lovely view of sydney here too
[04:22] <SpeedEvil> wait, you're in a us?
[04:22] <fsphil> aus? yea
[04:22] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[04:22] <fsphil> for an hour or two anyway
[04:23] <SpeedEvil> warmer than here, I imagine
[04:23] <fsphil> To quote Kosh, Yes
[04:23] <SpeedEvil> oh, it's warmed up. now 5c
[04:23] <fsphil> 30c here
[04:23] <natrium42> fsphil: cool, have a nice flight :)
[04:24] <natrium42> will we see you on the tracker?
[04:24] <fsphil> thanks natrium42. long flight but looking forward to getting home :)
[04:24] <fsphil> sadly don't have internet on the flight :)
[04:25] <fsphil> that would be cool
[04:25] <natrium42> transcontinental flight
[04:25] <natrium42> many flights in north america have wifi
[04:26] <fsphil> must check
[04:26] <natrium42> they use special cell towers directed into the air
[04:26] <fsphil> "if you are travelling between Australia and Los Angeles, you might have opportunity to experience our new inflight connectivity trial"
[04:26] <fsphil> ah well
[04:26] <natrium42> nice, that must be using satellite
[04:27] <SpeedEvil> naah.
[04:27] <SpeedEvil> beeeg reel of cable
[04:27] <fsphil> cat500000
[04:28] <natrium42> lol
[04:28] <fsphil> this flight spends most of its time over land, so they could do something
[04:28] <fsphil> although satellite would be simpler
[04:28] <natrium42> that's what they do for torpedoes
[04:28] <natrium42> to control them, just a line of cable
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[04:37] <arko> eroomde: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hOyQ3nTDgCs
[04:37] <arko> if you haven't seen it already
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[05:05] <arko> terrible acting
[05:09] <SamSilver> very funny
[05:09] <SamSilver> recipe books out
[05:11] <arko> it's just really accurate to the movie
[05:11] <arko> scene by scene stuff
[05:11] <arko> this has gotten me to rewatch it for the 1000th time
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[08:58] <Upu> morning
[09:00] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "Re: [UKHAS] Pico Board"
[09:01] <jcoxon> morning
[09:01] <jcoxon> wow some actual sunlight
[09:03] <daveake> morning
[09:04] <daveake> novel
[09:05] <Upu> not made it up north yet
[09:06] <jcoxon> means i can get 4.4v off my solar panel
[09:06] <Upu> like Mordor up here this morning
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[09:16] <daveake> Saw my scout HAB on the big screen yesterday :)
[09:16] <daveake> They made a video and entered it into a film festival, and it got shown
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[09:16] <daveake> This year Nottingham next year Cannes :p
[09:18] <Upu> lol
[09:19] <daveake> Nottingham is the only place I've been which is so rough even McDonalds has bouncers
[09:23] <jcoxon> Upu, playing with solar currently
[09:24] <jcoxon> i'm finding that the uC seems to be locking out rather than the regulator
[09:25] <number10> ah nottingham mcdonalds, I remeber that - dont send a balloon there again daveake
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[09:26] <daveake> This was in the centre, not out where that one landed, but yes :)
[09:26] <daveake> Actually that one landed quite close to where the scout one launched
[09:26] <number10> ah you went to mcdonalds again
[09:27] <number10> mind you - if you land here there are none
[09:29] <Upu> lucky you have some sun jcoxon
[09:29] <Upu> the hourly has broken daveake
[09:29] <Upu> I'll try fix later on
[09:29] <daveake> ok
[09:30] <daveake> Checked the regular one yesterday
[09:30] <daveake> nothing like the hourly was
[09:31] <Upu> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=85fe86de5694673cb48b81c0d515bc2f5fb9c193
[09:32] <Upu> not booking my hotel just yet...
[09:32] <Upu> anyway need to so the shopping back soon
[09:32] <daveake> that said e london yesterday
[09:39] <number10> general question: what batter life do you get from your pico voards
[09:39] <daveake> battered fish & chips?
[09:40] <number10> +y
[09:41] <number10> battery.. you have fish and chip waypoints built in to yours
[09:43] <number10> Iah I see another typo --- boards
[09:43] <daveake> And lumberjack phone numbers. And boat hire companies.
[09:43] <number10> and hours for you pico battery :)
[09:43] <daveake> +r :)
[09:54] <fsphil> haha, hello from 11.5km :)
[09:55] <SP9UOB> fsphil: are You in aeroplane now ?
[09:55] <number10> morning fsphil
[09:55] <fsphil> yep SP9UOB
[09:55] <fsphil> evenin number10
[09:55] <daveake> Shame you're too late to help track via websdr :)
[09:55] <fsphil> we're still over australia
[09:56] <fsphil> this would be a great tracking location :) well, they might not like all th ewires and antennas
[09:56] <SP9UOB> fsphil: you know what to do, some sensors, tracker, maybe pico-board ;-)
[09:56] <daveake> Might look a tad suspicious
[09:57] <daveake> QuantHab
[09:58] <natrium42> fsphil: will gps work inside though?
[09:58] <fsphil> hmm.. lemme see
[09:59] <fsphil> doubt oit
[09:59] <SP9UOB> fsphil: just run chasecar app
[10:00] <fsphil> nah
[10:00] <fsphil> no lock
[10:01] <Darkside> fsphil: hahahahaha
[10:01] <Darkside> nice
[10:01] <Darkside> nextg is great, hey
[10:04] <fsphil> tempted to setup an igate
[10:04] <Darkside> lol
[10:04] <Darkside> im surprised its working so well
[10:05] <fsphil> yea me too. it's a bit laggy but that's to be expected
[10:05] <Darkside> hahaha
[10:05] <Darkside> still, awesome
[10:05] <fsphil> view out the window is amazing atm
[10:05] <fsphil> sun has just set
[10:05] <Darkside> pics
[10:05] <fsphil> ooh, idea
[10:06] <Darkside> ohman
[10:06] <Darkside> i am watchign adventure time
[10:06] <Darkside> it is so random
[10:06] <Darkside> and awesome
[10:06] <daveake> Run the batc live video feed :)
[10:06] <Darkside> YES
[10:06] <Darkside> google hangout or something
[10:07] <fsphil> not at the this price :)
[10:07] <fsphil> they charge by the m
[10:07] <Darkside> wait
[10:07] <fsphil> mb
[10:07] <Darkside> actual flight web?
[10:08] <Darkside> you actually have internet on the place, not via 3g?
[10:08] <Darkside> what airline are you on?
[10:08] <fsphil> wifi
[10:08] <Darkside> oh nice
[10:08] <fsphil> quantas
[10:08] <Darkside> WHAT
[10:08] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[10:08] <Darkside> i never got that
[10:08] <Darkside> are you on an a380 or something?
[10:08] <daveake> When I flew Delta it was a fixed price for the flight
[10:10] <fsphil> A380 yea
[10:10] <fsphil> they didn't have this on the flight in
[10:11] <Darkside> heh
[10:11] <Darkside> so how much?
[10:11] <fsphil> $30 USD for 25Mb
[10:11] <fsphil> so I'm limiting myself to text :)
[10:11] <Darkside> hehe
[10:11] <Darkside> enough for irc on the flight
[10:14] <fsphil> indeed. and the odd small image: http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/onair.jpeg
[10:14] <fsphil> bit blurry
[10:14] <fsphil> it gets dark very quickly at this latitude
[10:16] <SP9UOB> fsphil: im trying to find you on http://www.flightradar24.com/ - what is Your flight number ?
[10:16] <fsphil> QF1
[10:16] <fsphil> we're near the north coast of aus
[10:17] <SP9UOB> none found
[10:17] <SP9UOB> heading north ?
[10:17] <fsphil> yea
[10:17] <fsphil> well ,north west
[10:18] <Darkside> SP9UOB: probably no ADS-B receiver around where he is
[10:18] <fsphil> I think we're near darwin -- I'm not 100% sure where darwin is though
[10:18] <fsphil> oh wait, no it just appeared on the map
[10:18] <fsphil> we're not near anywhere
[10:20] <fsphil> doesn't give coordinates
[10:20] <SP9UOB> bermuda triangle ;-)
[10:20] <fsphil> in the northern part of western australia
[10:21] <SP9UOB> saw some plane but disapeared
[10:22] <fsphil> the have a camera in the tail which is really neat
[10:22] <SP9UOB> btw: ads-b receiver is easy to build with rtl-sdr dongle
[10:23] <Darkside> SP9UOB: they don't transmit unles polled though
[10:23] <Darkside> and if there's no ground radar nearby, the ADS-B transponer on the plane won't transmit
[10:23] <fsphil> didn't know that. so it really is a kind of active radar
[10:24] <fsphil> turning right
[10:24] <fsphil> the pilot did a sharp turn earlier in the flight to avoid a huge cloud
[10:25] <Darkside> fsphil: whats the traceroute out like?
[10:27] <fsphil> hmm.. filtered I think
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[10:27] <Darkside> whats your external ip then?
[10:27] <SP9UOB> fsphil: http://www.whatismyip.com/
[10:27] <fsphil> I know :)
[10:28] <fsphil> 213.52.184.7
[10:29] <SP9UOB> +inetnum: 213.52.184.0 - 213.52.185.255
[10:29] <SP9UOB> netname: TC-OnAir
[10:29] <SP9UOB> descr: TelecityGroup customer OnAir
[10:29] <SP9UOB> country: NL
[10:29] <Darkside> telecity
[10:29] <Darkside> mm
[10:29] <fsphil> I've a private IP on the plane
[10:32] <Darkside> zzz so tired
[10:33] <fsphil> I bet. how'd it all go today?
[10:33] <Darkside> all good
[10:33] <Darkside> all recovered
[10:34] <Darkside> the university of sydneys payload has a transmitter fault
[10:34] <Darkside> but it logged to disk
[10:34] <Darkside> they were doing live packet downlinking, which included jpegs
[10:34] <fsphil> ah, dual launch?
[10:34] <Darkside> i showed them ssdv, they think its awesome and might implement it
[10:34] <SP9UOB> Darkside: are You working to run psk31 with DDS?
[10:34] <Darkside> fsphil: all on one balloon
[10:34] <Darkside> SP9UOB: already got code to do it
[10:35] <fsphil> we've been told to fasten seatbelts
[10:35] <Darkside> turbulence!
[10:35] <fsphil> gonna get bumpy I suspect
[10:35] <SP9UOB> Darkside: and ampllitude modulation is done by Rset?
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[10:35] <Darkside> i do phase shaping instead of pulse shaping
[10:35] <Darkside> it's not as clean as pulse shaped PSK31, but it doesn't require a linear amp
[10:36] <fsphil> straight jpegs or doing any kind of pokery?
[10:36] <Darkside> fsphil: some kind of pokery apparently
[10:36] <Darkside> dunno what
[10:36] <fsphil> ooohs
[10:36] <Darkside> they were only 4kb files tho
[10:36] <Darkside> tiny images
[10:36] <Darkside> and greyscale
[10:36] <fsphil> ah
[10:36] <fsphil> eu
[10:37] <fsphil> that does make it a lot simpler
[10:37] <Darkside> SP9UOB: i still have a bit of work to do before i'm willing to let my phase shaped PSK31 loose in the PSK segment :-)
[10:38] <Darkside> i need to do some work on the phase transition profile, to try and narrow the occupied bandwidth
[10:38] <SP9UOB> ahh, ok. i m doing it in zero-if way with MAX2602 in PA
[10:38] <Darkside> ok
[10:38] <fsphil> any thunderstorms in north west australia atm?
[10:38] <Darkside> dunno
[10:38] <Darkside> lemme check
[10:39] <Darkside> oh god
[10:39] <Darkside> yes
[10:39] <fsphil> we seem to be flying through a very large cloud
[10:39] <Darkside> very yes
[10:39] <Darkside> holy crap
[10:39] <fsphil> no lightning so far
[10:39] <Darkside> you're flying over a lightning storm
[10:39] <SP9UOB> also im planning to add crystal ladder to filter DSB
[10:39] <Darkside> fsphil: will upload a compressec pid
[10:39] <Darkside> hold on
[10:40] <fsphil> got the skycam on
[10:40] <fsphil> oh, getting bumpy
[10:40] <fsphil> amazed this satellite is staying connected
[10:41] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/7mBck.jpg
[10:41] <Darkside> 115kb
[10:41] <fsphil> that's fine
[10:41] <fsphil> oh heck yea
[10:41] <Darkside> white crosses are recent lightning (10 min or so)
[10:41] <fsphil> we're flying straight for that
[10:41] <Darkside> loooooooooool
[10:41] <Darkside> DOOOOOOOOMED
[10:41] <fsphil> don't see anything on the camera yet
[10:42] <number10> tell the pilot maybe he doesn't have an internet connection
[10:42] <number10> ;)
[10:42] <SP9UOB> i want someday to launch balloon straight into the storm :-)
[10:42] <fsphil> you and me both SP9UOB
[10:42] <fsphil> eroomde_ was talking about it too
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[10:43] <fsphil> bumpy bumpy
[10:43] <Darkside> http://flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA1
[10:43] <Darkside> hehe
[10:43] <Darkside> estimated position only
[10:43] <Darkside> sad
[10:43] <fsphil> ah, you found me?
[10:43] <fsphil> wait, saw a flash on the camera
[10:43] <Darkside> only has an estimated position
[10:43] <Darkside> woot
[10:43] <Darkside> LIGHTNING
[10:43] <fsphil> and more!
[10:44] <fsphil> yea
[10:44] <fsphil> def. lightning
[10:44] <Darkside> fsphil: http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/02_02/continentDM1002_468x341.jpg
[10:45] <SP9UOB> fsphil: You are in the storm - so You have a better view :-)
[10:45] <fsphil> nothing more since
[10:47] Action: SP9UOB has finished cleaning the keyboard
[10:47] Action: SP9UOB is so proud ;-)
[10:47] <Darkside> ok bbl
[10:49] <fsphil> another flash
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[10:49] <fsphil> wow
[10:49] <fsphil> big one
[10:49] <New2Balloon> Anyone give me a leg up extracting some of one piece of code and adding to another?
[10:49] <fsphil> and more
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[10:49] <Upu> you have wifi on a plane fsphil ?
[10:50] <fsphil> yea
[10:50] <Upu> wow
[10:50] <Upu> ipv6 too unless you're connecting to home
[10:50] <fsphil> nah, ssh
[10:50] <Upu> ah there goes my plan to DDOS the plane
[10:51] <fsphil> :p
[10:51] <Upu> you're over Ukraine or is that an earlier flight ?
[10:52] <fsphil> still in oz
[10:52] <Upu> QF1 ?
[10:52] <fsphil> yea
[10:52] <fsphil> flying through a really large thunderstorm
[10:52] <fsphil> seriously impressive
[10:53] <Upu> dunno how to get you up on flight radar it keeps playing back yesterdays flights
[10:53] <fsphil> we seem to be throuhg it now
[10:53] <fsphil> wow
[10:53] <Upu> good
[10:54] <Upu> taking some pics ?
[10:54] <fsphil> camera isn't resolving it
[10:54] <fsphil> just blurry flickers
[10:54] <Upu> shame
[10:55] <Upu> video ?
[10:55] <fsphil> was video
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[10:55] <fsphil> it's just a phone camera
[10:55] <Upu> k
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[10:55] <Upu> well have a good fligth, nice that you can use the internet
[10:55] <Upu> that would have made a few long flights much less boring
[10:56] <SP9UOB> upu: did You saw: http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/22234B.pdf MCP1640 - 0.6V startup
[10:56] <Upu> hey SP9UOB
[10:56] <Upu> not seen that one
[10:57] <Upu> however is that under load ?
[10:57] <Upu> TPS is 0.5V into full load
[10:57] <Upu> that looks easier to solder though
[10:57] <SP9UOB> i just ordered some - will se :-)
[10:58] <fsphil> anyone suggest a good console email client that supports maildir?
[10:58] <Upu> mutt ?
[10:58] <Upu> oh wait good
[10:58] <fsphil> lol
[10:58] <fsphil> that was my next question
[10:58] <Upu> pine can do it ?
[10:58] <Upu> its ancient though
[10:58] <Upu> been a while since I used console e-mail
[10:59] <fsphil> I've never done it. but imap would be painful over this
[11:00] <fsphil> I'll try mutt
[11:00] <SP9UOB> mutt is ok, also as imap client
[11:01] <SP9UOB> upu: 0.65V @1mA load
[11:01] <SP9UOB> so tps is better
[11:02] <Upu> it works for me
[11:02] <SP9UOB> but MCP is working down to 0.35V
[11:02] <Upu> and I'm comfortable with it
[11:02] <Upu> bf
[11:02] <Upu> the NCP1402 works too
[11:02] <Upu> if you get the right inductor
[11:03] <SP9UOB> TPS is not buyable (??) in Poland - unless you need 1000 of them
[11:03] <Upu> digikey
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[11:05] <SP9UOB> xzaqwcfgt65ytyuuomkiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[11:05] <SP9UOB> 3wer
[11:05] <New2Balloon> 69*+
[11:05] <SP9UOB> sorry, my 3 years old son has take over the keyboard :-)
[11:06] <RG_LZ1DEV> his first irc words?
[11:06] <SP9UOB> oh, no, he workink with me, since 2 years ;-)
[11:07] <SP9UOB> very "helpfull"
[11:07] <SP9UOB> but he know to not touch the soldering iron :-)
[11:10] <SP9UOB> https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/522967_431745366892185_521540213_n.jpg
[11:10] <SP9UOB> :-)
[11:13] <New2Balloon> n
[11:13] <New2Balloon> #
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[11:17] <RG_LZ1DEV> excellent :D
[11:17] <RG_LZ1DEV> so many toys to play with
[11:18] <fsphil> mutt works, kinda
[11:19] <SP9UOB> RG_LZ1DEV: indeed :-)
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[13:22] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] Pico Board"
[13:31] <DrLuke> morning all
[13:31] <DrLuke> upu: you got a minute?
[13:38] <SpeedEvil> morning
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[13:52] <Upu> hi DrLuke here now
[13:52] <DrLuke> hey
[13:52] <DrLuke> on the TPS61201, they say in the datasheet that GND and PGND should be different, and only connected in one point
[13:52] <DrLuke> and they directly connect the GND pin to the thermal pad (which is massively connected to PGND)
[13:53] <DrLuke> in the reference design
[13:53] <DrLuke> this has me a bit confused
[13:53] <Upu> yeah exactly :)
[13:53] <Upu> just connect them all together :)
[13:53] <DrLuke> it just makes me wonder why they couldn't just call it all ground, lol
[13:53] <Upu> https://secure.join.me/701-733-097
[13:54] <Upu> show you as I'm working on it now
[13:54] <Upu> see that ?
[13:54] <DrLuke> yeah
[13:54] <DrLuke> that's pretty much how I did it
[13:54] <Upu> so thats VBATT
[13:55] <Upu> VCC
[13:55] <Upu> GND
[13:55] <DrLuke> yep very nice, similar to how I did it
[13:55] <Upu> I just pretty much copied it from the datasheet
[13:56] <DrLuke> http://i49.tinypic.com/ua0x3.png
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[13:56] <Upu> yep
[13:56] <DrLuke> using some bigger caps though
[13:56] <Upu> fair enough
[13:56] <DrLuke> 330 uF, the more the better :P
[13:57] <DrLuke> I mean I've got the room and no real weigth limit... so yeah
[13:57] <DrLuke> how do you achieve that smooth sexy font?
[13:58] <Upu> its a bit map imported
[13:58] <DrLuke> ah
[13:59] <Upu> its not too hard
[13:59] <Upu> once you get your head round it
[13:59] <Upu> which is basically Eagle all over
[13:59] <DrLuke> I wish eagle had some sort of flip function to show the bottom layer as if it was the top layer
[13:59] <Upu> yeah that would be amazing
[13:59] <Upu> or even a macro to turn off all the top layer stuff
[14:00] <DrLuke> yeah
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[14:00] <DrLuke> fancy
[14:01] <DrLuke> well, thanks for you help!
[14:01] <Upu> welcome
[14:01] <DrLuke> time to get back to work...
[14:02] <DrLuke> I also gotta move all the names now
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[14:07] <m0psi> hi upu, are you there?
[14:07] <Upu> afternoon Ali
[14:07] <m0psi> having a spot of trouble with gps board
[14:07] <m0psi> the blue one
[14:07] <Upu> go on
[14:07] <m0psi> seems to give me time
[14:07] <m0psi> but not much else
[14:07] <Upu> needs a stronger signal
[14:08] <m0psi> $GPGGA,140544.00,,,,,0,04,12.58,,,,,,*6C
[14:08] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[14:08] <Upu> if it gets time it can see satellites
[14:08] <m0psi> oh
[14:08] <m0psi> i'm in the garden :-)
[14:08] <Upu> just doesn't have a strong enough signal
[14:08] <m0psi> ok
[14:08] <m0psi> good to know at least
[14:08] <Upu> ok possibly a duff antenna
[14:08] <Upu> how long has it been out there ?
[14:08] <m0psi> so, give it a little longer
[14:08] <m0psi> 5min
[14:08] <Upu> should have got a lock by now
[14:09] <Upu> possibly local interference but I doubt it
[14:09] <m0psi> oh
[14:09] <m0psi> got it
[14:09] <m0psi> we have lat lon
[14:09] <m0psi> super stuff
[14:09] <Upu> oh there you go
[14:09] <m0psi> thanks matey
[14:10] Action: cuddykid currently enjoying abusing the java server I wrote :)
[14:10] <m0psi> drum roll ?.
[14:10] <Upu> if you want
[14:10] <cuddykid> what module is this m0psi ?
[14:10] <m0psi> ub6
[14:10] <cuddykid> nice
[14:11] <cuddykid> if it was a lassen you would be waiting all day :P
[14:11] <m0psi> ok, the gps works, my code doesn't :-(
[14:12] <m0psi> i only do good quality merchandise from this bloke called upu :-)
[14:12] <cuddykid> well, the code bit is usually easier to fix
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[14:12] <Upu> wise choice :)
[14:12] <Upu> though 5 mins to get a lock outside is pretty slow
[14:12] <Upu> if you continue to see that let me know
[14:13] <m0psi> sure. i do have a south sky view
[14:13] <m0psi> so, would have expected quicker
[14:13] <m0psi> anyway, will see
[14:16] <cuddykid> lol, managed to freeze my computer by my 'intense' testing
[14:33] <DrLuke> hi m0psi
[14:34] <DrLuke> Guess who's going to be in a really bad mood today: http://i46.tinypic.com/28th0ee.jpg
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[14:37] <m0psi> hi DrLuke
[14:38] <cuddykid> wow - looks like some extreme scaffolding DrLuke
[14:38] <DrLuke> eh, the usual
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[14:42] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[14:43] <DrLuke> hi
[14:47] <Upu> ping jcoxon
[14:48] <Upu> Brad KF7FER are you about ?
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[14:51] <m0psi> bloody weather!! now i've got a wet mac and tracker, debugging under a tarp!
[14:51] <m0psi> what a sight!!!
[14:51] <Upu> welcome to England have a nice day
[14:51] <Upu> try testing solar power
[14:52] <m0psi> indeed. best advice is avoid manchester
[14:52] <m0psi> oh, that is where you are :-)
[14:52] <Upu> Halifax
[14:52] <cuddykid> avoid the whole of England :)
[14:52] <m0psi> did i tell you that i went to Hull uni ?
[14:52] <m0psi> i loved it
[14:52] <Upu> nope
[14:52] <Upu> not been to Hull
[14:53] <cuddykid> I'm as north as I'd ever want to be :P (nottingham)
[15:10] <fsphil> scotland is nice :p
[15:11] <Upu> hows the flight fsphil ?
[15:12] <fsphil> on the ground for a bit at Singapore
[15:12] <Upu> oh ok
[15:13] <cuddykid> fsphil: are you heading back to UK?
[15:13] <fsphil> trying hard not to fall asleep :)
[15:13] <fsphil> my brain says it's 2am
[15:13] <fsphil> indeedy cuddykid
[15:13] <cuddykid> ah :)
[15:13] <Upu> oh you're in for a shock :)
[15:13] <cuddykid> better have packed your wellies
[15:14] <fsphil> lol
[15:14] <fsphil> yea I saw the headlines
[15:14] <fsphil> looks nasty
[15:14] <cuddykid> scrap that - wetsuit
[15:14] <cuddykid> we're due for more apparently
[15:15] <fsphil> the forecast next week has a low of -5c
[15:18] <DrLuke> wellies, lol
[15:23] <fsphil> of all the mains sockets in this airport I find the one that doesn't work
[15:24] <zyp> fun
[15:24] <m0psi> yay! my tracker works!!!
[15:25] <m0psi> albeit from under a bloody tarp!!!
[15:25] <fsphil> more yay
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[15:25] <zyp> I've visited too many airports without public available mains sockets
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[15:28] <number10> where are you at now fsphil
[15:30] <fsphil> singapore
[15:30] <fsphil> it's warm
[15:30] <fsphil> enjoying it while it lasts
[15:30] <number10> staying there for a night or straight out
[15:31] <fsphil> straight out pretty much, just waiting on the gate opening
[15:33] <m0psi> this rtty is music when it is working! :-)
[15:33] <cuddykid> lol
[15:33] <cuddykid> still waiting for it to get to number 1
[15:33] <m0psi> the ear of the beholder
[15:34] <fsphil> nothing better than the moment you hear the rtty after landing
[15:34] <m0psi> so, upu, it does take a while to get a lock
[15:34] <m0psi> how can i test if the antenna is good enough
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[15:34] <cuddykid> m0psi: have you got the sarantel?
[15:34] <m0psi> y
[15:35] <cuddykid> if so - should have no probs getting lock
[15:35] <m0psi> this is latest model from the upu hanger
[15:35] <cuddykid> yep, but is the GPS antenna a ceramic chip one or a helical sarantel (black thing) ?
[15:36] <m0psi> the black nub thing
[15:36] <cuddykid> should have no probs then - those are very good
[15:36] <m0psi> it is raining/cloudy, but i expect it better than this
[15:36] <Randomskk> anyone have ideas on where I could buy a reasonably high pressure (like, up to around 50bar) pressure sensor?
[15:37] <m0psi> farnell
[15:37] <Randomskk> farnell goes up to 10 bar at the very best
[15:37] <Laurenceb_> sensortechnics
[15:38] <m0psi> http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?SKU=2065476&MER=baynote-2065476-pr
[15:38] <m0psi> this is the one i got recently
[15:38] <Randomskk> 15PSI is about 1 bar
[15:38] <Randomskk> which is about 50 times smaller than I need :P
[15:38] <m0psi> ah
[15:38] <Randomskk> Laurenceb_: do they actually sell them?
[15:39] <m0psi> i thought you wrote 10psi
[15:39] <Laurenceb_> yes
[15:39] <Laurenceb_> you need to ring/email
[15:40] <Randomskk> what kinda lead time? do they list prices?
[15:40] <m0psi> yay! my first full sentence with good data/lock
[15:40] <Laurenceb_> prices are tricky
[15:40] <m0psi> $$WASP-1,43,15:39:1,51.18409,-0.82030,17794,10.1,-20.2,3.3*73C3
[15:40] <Laurenceb_> if they have stock a couple of weeks max
[15:40] <Laurenceb_> id suggest budget for £200
[15:40] <m0psi> ok, next step, figure out how to talk to habitat
[15:42] <x-f> m0psi, is "17794" your altitude?
[15:42] <m0psi> seems like it
[15:42] <daveake> erm...
[15:42] <m0psi> cm
[15:42] <mattbrejza> mm
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[15:43] <daveake> Overflow will happen earlier than usual then :)
[15:43] <m0psi> odd that the time jumpted 3min
[15:43] <m0psi> $$WASP-1,54,15:42:3,51.18418,-0.82031,14998,10.1,-20.2,3.3*17DD
[15:43] <m0psi> and the alt changed
[15:44] <mattbrejza> it lost lock for 3min
[15:44] <mattbrejza> or didt get anything from the gps for 3min
[15:44] <m0psi> so, the gps chip keeps sending the same data?
[15:45] <mattbrejza> actually normally it increments the time i think :/
[15:45] <mattbrejza> cant remember tbh
[15:45] <mattbrejza> yea itll output the same data
[15:45] <mattbrejza> but the time might increment or not
[15:46] <x-f> it does increment without a lock
[15:46] <mattbrejza> you can look at the lock field though
[15:46] <mattbrejza> it might have a time lock but no position lock also
[15:46] <m0psi> hmm, time is not incrementing
[15:46] <m0psi> now jumped again
[15:47] <m0psi> and alt changed
[15:47] <Upu> its not got a 3D lock
[15:47] <m0psi> hmm, need to debug this code, incase i'm not clearing
[15:47] <m0psi> oh
[15:47] <Upu> just dump the raw nmea out first to check the module is ok
[15:47] <Upu> afk
[15:47] <m0psi> $$WASP-1,73,15:46:36,51.18359,-0.82037,12558,10.1,-20.2,3.3*BF23
[15:48] <m0psi> don't make no sense :-(
[15:48] <m0psi> i need to find a less wet day to do this
[15:48] <number10> do what upu said - print out the raw nmea data and compare this to your telemetry string
[15:48] <m0psi> so that i can at least show the gps the sky unimpeded
[15:48] <m0psi> y, good idea
[15:49] <m0psi> i had to go inside, and leave the tracker outside
[15:49] <m0psi> so, i don't have the serial debug string now
[15:49] <m0psi> only radio
[15:50] <mattbrejza> can you connect your serial stick to the gps output ?
[15:50] <number10> you should get a gps lock by a window
[15:50] <mattbrejza> whilst its conncted to the payload
[15:50] <number10> with a ublox
[15:50] <m0psi> y, would have thought so number10, but i don't
[15:50] <m0psi> interesting point mattberjza
[15:51] <m0psi> i'll have to look at that
[15:51] <mattbrejza> then open ucentre and itll reveal all
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[15:51] <m0psi> running a mac, no ucentre for me
[15:51] <mattbrejza> lol thats whta you get for having a mac :P
[15:51] <number10> usually if you take them outside for a few minutes and then after lock put next to a window it should continue to send the correct position m0psi
[15:52] <Randomskk> you can run ucenter on wine on a mac no problems
[15:52] <number10> best thing to do is test the gps module out with serial comms
[15:53] <number10> or ucenter as Randomskk just said
[15:53] <mattbrejza> either way nmea is easy enough to see whats happenig by staring at the text
[15:54] <m0psi> oh that is good to know randomskk
[15:55] <m0psi> y, this is good advice. thanks guys
[15:55] <m0psi> time to stop having fun for a bit
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[15:55] <m0psi> ciao
[15:56] <DrLuke> bye
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[16:02] <Randomskk> Laurenceb_: any ideas on attaching thermocouples to things/
[16:02] <Randomskk> thermally conductive epoxy?
[16:06] <Laurenceb_> should work yes
[16:06] <Laurenceb_> be careful of conduction along the wires
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[17:45] <DrLuke> has the ukhas mailing list been split into 2 yet?
[17:46] <Laurenceb_> trolling/not trolling?
[17:46] <DrLuke> not trolling
[17:47] <Hiena> Ooooohhh, storm in the bucket?
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[17:57] <Randomskk> DrLuke: uhm
[17:57] <Randomskk> yes
[17:57] <Randomskk> but
[17:57] <Randomskk> not-quite
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[17:58] <DrLuke> So in short: if I just stay in the current google group, I won't miss out on any mails?
[17:58] <gb73d> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VifIK31LfcA
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[18:59] Nick change: eroomde_ -> eroomde
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[19:25] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "Re: [UKHAS] Pico Board"
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[19:34] <eroomde> arko_: yo
[19:39] <DrLuke> Am I missing anything, or does this part have no datasheet? mouser.com/ProductDetail/Amphenol-Commercial-Products/UE25BE5510H/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMulM8LPOQ%252byk3b%252bo4jMC67kPlQXRz7/4DA=
[19:39] <DrLuke> I tried googling and found nothing
[19:40] <DrLuke> Maybe I'm supposed to guess the footprint...
[19:51] <griffonbot> Received email: Philip Crump "[UKHAS] Launch Announcement CRAAG1 Pico 11:00 UTC 26/11/12"
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[20:36] <griffonbot> Received email: John Graham-Cumming "Re: [UKHAS] Launch Announcement CRAAG1 Pico 11:00 UTC 26/11/12"
[20:39] <jcoxon> craag, is this your solar payload?
[20:39] <craag> jcoxon: No. That one is just an idea at the moment!
[20:40] <jcoxon> oh right
[20:40] <jcoxon> was reading your website :-)
[20:40] <eroomde> linky?
[20:40] <jcoxon> craag, tomorrow's flight is first pico with a camera
[20:40] <jcoxon> :-)
[20:40] <craag> Awesome!
[20:41] <craag> My website is a lot of me brainstorming.. not so much to show for it yet.
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[20:41] <eroomde> that's the most interesting stuff craag :)
[20:42] <craag> My website: https://www.thecraag.com/Main_Page
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[20:43] <jcoxon> solar is the big thing this month in habbing
[20:43] <jcoxon> though its the worst time for solar work
[20:47] <griffonbot> Received email: Philip Crump "Re: [UKHAS] Launch Announcement CRAAG1 Pico 11:00 UTC 26/11/12"
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[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> jcoxon, that sounds awesome
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> hope it works
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> what camera do you fly?
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[21:07] <DrLuke> jcoxon: I'm gonna put a solar cell on my first flight :P
[21:09] <m0psi> hi all, anyone willing/able to help setup dl-fldigi, i'd like to be able to help track a payload tomorrow
[21:10] <m0psi> is running the application enough to put my rx on the map? or do i have to 'register'?
[21:10] <craag> m0psi: You need to put in a 'callsign' and location.
[21:10] <m0psi> ok
[21:10] <eroomde> and DL Client > Online [tick box]
[21:10] <m0psi> i did that as part of the 'operator'
[21:10] <m0psi> done that too
[21:11] <eroomde> should work then
[21:11] <eroomde> leave it for 10 mins or so
[21:11] <eroomde> it can take a while to get on the map
[21:11] <craag> You also need lat, lon, altitude under DL Client options.
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[21:14] <m0psi> ok, got that
[21:14] <m0psi> i don't actually know my alt acurately
[21:14] <m0psi> so, i'm going to guess at 170m
[21:14] <craag> THat's fine, just some number in there otherwise it doesn't work :)
[21:15] <m0psi> wow check me out!
[21:15] <m0psi> i'm on the map
[21:16] <m0psi> ok, craag, i'll do my best tomorrow
[21:16] <craag> Ah wow. You are very local to the flight path!
[21:16] <m0psi> indeed
[21:16] <m0psi> it may well fall (ehm? land) in my garden
[21:16] <craag> Cool, thanks for tracking!
[21:17] <m0psi> sure thing
[21:17] <craag> It actually might..
[21:17] <craag> Predictions are going that way..
[21:17] <m0psi> i'm going to do it by turning up the vol on my radio
[21:17] <m0psi> don't have a cable
[21:17] <m0psi> but i may be able to find a ps2 connector tonight
[21:18] <m0psi> i think that is all i need to get the ft-817 audio out, into my mac
[21:18] <eroomde> what kind of mac?
[21:18] <m0psi> pro
[21:18] <m0psi> line-in ok for that?
[21:22] <eroomde> should be yep
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[21:22] <eroomde> LineIn is a useful app
[21:23] <eroomde> to play the audio from a line-in through your mac speaks
[21:23] <eroomde> useful when hunting around
[21:25] <m0psi> is that some freebee app on the mac?
[21:26] <eroomde> yep
[21:28] <m0psi> ok, ta, i'll try to find that one
[21:32] <Laurenceb_> http://www.coconut-audio.com/DAC.htm
[21:35] <m0psi> craag, i've updated my qth to be quite accurate now (not that it really matters to your flight)
[21:36] <m0psi> it is now literally where the antenna is
[21:36] <m0psi> how can i test my dl-fldigi application to see that it really does upload data?
[21:36] <m0psi> is there a test mode?
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[21:38] <craag> m0psi: I'llaim for it and see how close I get to wrapping the payload aroudn the antenna then! :P
[21:38] <eroomde> i think you can be pretty confident if you're on the map
[21:39] <eroomde> i don;t think you can test anything that being on the map won;t show you apart from payload specific things
[21:39] <m0psi> ok, see if you can come in from the west, avoid the big oak tree
[21:39] <eroomde> or some other things, like making sure squelch is off
[21:39] <eroomde> and that Rv is off
[21:39] <m0psi> Rv?
[21:40] <eroomde> swaps between thinking the incoming signal is upper side band vs lower side band
[21:41] <eroomde> Rv - reverse
[21:41] <m0psi> ok, i will set for usb
[21:41] <eroomde> yeah, it should be like that by default i think
[21:41] <eroomde> it's the little box on the corner
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[21:48] <mfa298> m0psi: Just read some of the scrollback, audio is available on the back of the FT-817 on the ps/2 style port. Thats what I do.
[21:50] <m0psi> y, thanks mfa298. i'm going to have to cut off a ps2 connector off an old keyboard
[21:50] <m0psi> and stick it on a 3.5mm
[21:50] <m0psi> and then into the line-in on the mac
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[21:51] <m0psi> and if it blows up, its eroomde's fault!
[21:55] <eroomde> :)
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[21:59] <m0psi> eroomde, are you sure it is called lineIn? can't find it on the apple app store
[21:59] <eroomde> http://www.rogueamoeba.com/freebies/
[21:59] <m0psi> ok, ta
[22:08] <m0psi> for those of you who have yet to encounter the problem of "how do i justify keeping old tech stuff" to your livin-partner.
[22:08] <m0psi> the line i take, and stick by, "i'm curating a museum"
[22:08] <m0psi> it seems to work well
[22:09] <m0psi> so, i found a ps2 connector in my museum
[22:09] <m0psi> now, make a cable.
[22:10] Action: SpeedEvil has waaaàaaaày too much shit.
[22:10] <griffonbot> Received email: Ali al-Azzawi "[UKHAS] Re: Launch Announcement CRAAG1 Pico 11:00 UTC 26/11/12"
[22:10] <griffonbot> Received email: Simon Proud "[UKHAS] Low altitude payload tracking"
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[22:23] <G7PMO_Kev> evening guys
[22:23] <G7PMO_Kev> whats the best way of attaching a secondary payload below the primary payload, without risking damaging the antenna of the primary payload?
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[22:24] <eroomde> we have previously had 4 lines going from the payload box bottom
[22:24] <eroomde> down to a caribena
[22:24] <daveake> I use 4 lines - 1 from each corner
[22:24] <eroomde> and the antenna sits in the middle of this wee upside down pyramid harness
[22:24] <daveake> plus put a length of pipe insulation around the antenna
[22:25] <G7PMO_Kev> ok, how do you attach the pipe insulation, to give it additional strength rather than just more weight ion the antenna?
[22:25] <daveake> Glue. plus I inset it into the base
[22:26] <G7PMO_Kev> ok, of a poly box type box, yea
[22:26] <daveake> yes
[22:27] <G7PMO_Kev> actually, I just assumed I would do primary payload on top and secndary tracker below - I am planning for my secondary tracker to be fully enclosed in its waterproof pouch, so I could put them the other way around
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[22:28] <G7PMO_Kev> I have my Notam through, I have my secondary tracker working, just got some final testing and packaging to do and Helium to get.....
[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> I am angry btw at a TV report of a group of balloon fliers in germany
[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> the report stated that 30 km is the record and several other things
[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> they had a Vaisala probe and I didn't see that they connected it up to something
[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> and as far as I know the vaisala broadcasts at 403 MHz which is no ham frequency
[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> so that was illegal
[22:37] <mattbrejza> G7PMO_Kev: if you also make the radiating element of hte atnenna flexable and avoid putting stress on a solder joint then itll tolerate abuse
[22:38] <mattbrejza> ive repaired an antenna, and made it so that the radiating element is the cetnre part of the bit of coax that feeds it
[22:38] <G7PMO_Kev> Matt - ta, I have made it 'un braided coax' style - ie the element is the original core of the coas
[22:38] <G7PMO_Kev> great minds :)
[22:38] <mattbrejza> in case you were wondering, the reason the repair was needed was becasue last flight the antenna got ripped off by the cord to the lower payload
[22:39] <G7PMO_Kev> indeed, that was my worry :)
[22:39] <mattbrejza> yea so you shouldnt have any issues if you dont bother with the pyrimid harness
[22:40] <mattbrejza> the old antenna was just askeing to get ripped off mind oyu
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[22:54] <m0psi> re ft-817 data cable, i am assuming that the data-out and gnd from the radio go on the ground of the 3.5mm, and either the centre, or middle for the data.
[22:54] <m0psi> this is for the line-in on the mac
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[23:05] <m0psi> eroomde, have you been able to connect a mac to the 817 via lineIn?
[23:06] <m0psi> sorry, the above question is general, not just to eroomde
[23:07] <eroomde> you don't need linein as part of the system
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[23:07] <eroomde> it's just nice to hear if u want
[23:07] <eroomde> i dont recall ever having a problem connecting an 817
[23:07] <Darkside> eroomde: i think he means the line in port
[23:07] <Darkside> not the app
[23:07] <m0psi> sure, i was going to use the output on the air, and have the mic listen
[23:08] <m0psi> but that is susceptible to noise
[23:08] <m0psi> y, the mac has a port called "Line In"
[23:08] <eroomde> macbook air?
[23:08] <m0psi> pro
[23:09] <eroomde> shouldnt be a problem
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[23:10] <m0psi> ok, some guidance pls eroomde
[23:10] <m0psi> i get a buzzing when i connect the data on 817 into the port
[23:10] <m0psi> so, i'm a bit lost
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[23:13] <eroomde> m0psi: the switch above the jack on the side
[23:14] <eroomde> what is it set to?
[23:14] <eroomde> sp or ph?
[23:14] <m0psi> on the 817?
[23:14] <eroomde> yeah
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[23:14] <m0psi> don't have one
[23:14] <m0psi> on the back of the 817
[23:15] <eroomde> the side
[23:15] <eroomde> side
[23:15] <eroomde> the
[23:15] <m0psi> oh
[23:15] <m0psi> sp
[23:15] <daveake> m0psi You're connecting audio from the rear connector?
[23:16] <daveake> (on the 817)
[23:16] <eroomde> i think you might be thinking the morse code paddle connector is audio-out
[23:16] <m0psi> y, i thought that was the data out
[23:16] <m0psi> i see now
[23:16] <m0psi> that is wrong
[23:16] <eroomde> same jack
[23:16] <eroomde> confusingly
[23:16] <m0psi> ok, let me start from the start
[23:17] <eroomde> set that switch to ph
[23:17] <eroomde> and plug the audio jack into the socket next to it
[23:17] <daveake> The rear connector (the one tht fits a keyboard PS/2 plug) has a fixed level audio output. The switch on the side is for the volume of the audio jack on the side
[23:17] <m0psi> ok
[23:18] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[23:18] <daveake> Simplest is to just use an 3.5mm audio cable and the side socket
[23:18] <m0psi> so, i will now stick the 3.5mm on the 817, into the 3.5mm on the mac
[23:18] <m0psi> right?
[23:18] <daveake> yes
[23:18] <eroomde> yep
[23:18] <m0psi> standby
[23:19] <m0psi> oh
[23:19] <m0psi> we got something
[23:19] <daveake> The rear connector has some advantages ... you can still hear the sound from the speaker (if you want) and it's not affected by the volume control. But for now use the side socket
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[23:21] <m0psi> y, seems to be working
[23:21] <eroomde> awesome
[23:21] <m0psi> so, how am i supposed to be able to connect the data out on the back to the line-in
[23:21] <m0psi> do i need a transformer of some kind
[23:21] <eroomde> the 3.5mm socket on the back is for connecting a morse code paddle up
[23:22] <m0psi> i get that
[23:22] <eroomde> you'd need some kind of adaptor
[23:22] <m0psi> there is a ps2 on the back too
[23:22] <eroomde> not sure what it looks like
[23:22] <daveake> I forget what it's called, but one of the PS/2 connectors at the back has audio on it
[23:22] <m0psi> CAT cable?
[23:22] <daveake> t'other one
[23:22] <daveake> ACC IIRC
[23:22] <daveake> But I forget and the 817 is in the car
[23:22] <m0psi> ok, so not a passive cable
[23:23] <daveake> Yes just a cable
[23:23] <daveake> Take a keyboard cable and cut it
[23:23] <m0psi> i did that bit
[23:23] <mfa298> its a passive cable, just need the right pins
[23:23] <daveake> Then put a 3.5mm jack on the end
[23:23] <m0psi> but how to connect into the line-in
[23:24] <m0psi> line-in on the mac, made a buzzing sound, when i hooked in the data-out, from the ps2 of the back of the 817
[23:24] <mfa298> m0psi: do you have the manual for the 817 handy as that has a pinout for that port on the 817
[23:24] <daveake> You remembered to connect GND too?
[23:24] <m0psi> y, i have the right pins
[23:24] <daveake> http://ve5kc.amateur-radio.ca/FT-817/FT-817%20Operating%20Manual.pdf
[23:24] <m0psi> GND and data-out
[23:25] <daveake> Which data out?
[23:25] <m0psi> pin 2
[23:26] <eroomde> pin 4 says this pdf
[23:26] <daveake> See P5 in that link
[23:26] <m0psi> hmm
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[23:27] <m0psi> i'm looking at the actual manual with me, but i'll take a look at the one you just sent
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[23:28] <eroomde> try it with the 1200bps data out
[23:28] <m0psi> y, i did the 9600 one
[23:28] <daveake> Yes it's the 1200 one
[23:28] <m0psi> ok, but at least i have the audio through now anyway
[23:28] <m0psi> ok, thanks dave
[23:28] <m0psi> i'll give that a go
[23:29] <mfa298> try the 1200 one, I've got a feeling the 9600 one only works with certain modes
[23:30] <eroomde> mmm, it'd be wider that normal ham audio-out
[23:30] <eroomde> probably
[23:32] <mfa298> yeah, I think the 9600 data out is for 9600 packet so might only work in in packet mode. It's been a while since I checked the manual though
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[23:35] <m0psi> no joy
[23:35] <m0psi> still buzzing
[23:35] <m0psi> is gnd on 3.5mm usually the middle pin?
[23:35] <m0psi> i'm assuming not
[23:35] <daveake> No
[23:36] <m0psi> the tip is R (or L), then comes L (or R), then ground.
[23:36] <m0psi> right?
[23:36] <daveake> http://www.wiringdiagrams21.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/TRSConnectorPlugSchematicDiagram.jpg
[23:37] <daveake> The tip and centre are R/L or L/R, whichever it is
[23:37] <daveake> main bit is gnd
[23:37] <m0psi> right
[23:37] <m0psi> that is what i've been working to
[23:37] <daveake> Connect audio to both tip and middle bit
[23:38] <m0psi> ah
[23:38] <m0psi> floating is bad
[23:38] <m0psi> good idea batman
[23:38] <eroomde> fldigi is mono too
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[23:43] <Laurenceb_> http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1290963&page=129
[23:43] <Laurenceb_> failing at life
[23:54] <Laurenceb_> http://www.coconut-audio.com/hifijustice/experiments.htm
[23:55] <Laurenceb_> and that concludes todays trolling
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