highaltitude.log.20121117

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[00:35] <m0psi> slowly slowly ? building my little neat tx string :-)
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[00:37] <fsphil> nothing wrong with taking thigns slowly
[00:38] <fsphil> unless there's a fire and you're calling the fire brigade
[00:38] <m0psi> y, need to get this right
[00:39] <m0psi> next step is to merge this tx_string constructor with live gps data, and then push out some electrons in rtty formation
[00:39] <m0psi> both of the latter have already been tested individually
[00:39] <m0psi> so, getting close to a tracker!!
[00:40] <m0psi> quite exciting actually
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[00:40] <m0psi> i'll probably go out on a bike ride :-)
[00:40] <fsphil> yea I enjoyed this bit
[00:42] <Lunar_Lander> hi there
[00:43] <m0psi> hey
[00:43] <fsphil> hmm.. not sure this is correct, http://i.imgur.com/v3FOS.png
[00:43] <m0psi> :-)
[00:43] <m0psi> you playing with an emulator?
[00:43] <fsphil> made one
[00:44] <m0psi> or making one?
[00:44] <m0psi> nice
[00:44] <m0psi> you bored? :-)
[00:44] <fsphil> well, 6510 only.
[00:44] <fsphil> it's too hot outside :)
[00:44] <m0psi> i bought a dragon32 when new
[00:45] <m0psi> they ran out of zxspectrums
[00:45] <m0psi> so, got a dragon instead
[00:45] <fsphil> never seen the dragons
[00:45] <m0psi> crap computer
[00:45] <m0psi> made by matel
[00:45] <fsphil> everyone here had c64's and spectrums
[00:45] <m0psi> look it up
[00:45] <fsphil> and the odd atari
[00:45] <m0psi> right,
[00:45] <m0psi> so, got rid of the dragon, and got a beeb
[00:45] <m0psi> best thing i ever did
[00:45] <m0psi> loved it
[00:46] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil, was that how a C64 looked like when you switched it on?
[00:46] <m0psi> pretty much
[00:46] <fsphil> the real 64 had a blue screen
[00:46] <m0psi> then you got the:
[00:46] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[00:46] <m0psi> >
[00:46] <m0psi> well, the beeb did
[00:46] <Lunar_Lander> I am just reading "Thrust" by Richard Noble
[00:46] <fsphil> http://www.c64-wiki.com/images/c/c9/Einschaltmeldung_C64.jpg
[00:46] <Lunar_Lander> and I got forward to TrustSSC
[00:47] <Lunar_Lander> *ThrustSSC
[00:47] <Lunar_Lander> and there is a photo of testing in 1995 and they have a very old looking grey laptop there
[00:47] <m0psi> then of course, you typed: 10 print "hello", 20 goto 10
[00:47] <fsphil> yay infinite loops
[00:47] <m0psi> could watch it for hours!
[00:47] <m0psi> then got bored
[00:48] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[00:48] <fsphil> C64's basic was really crude
[00:48] <m0psi> when i got my zx81, i actually tried to write a bot
[00:48] <m0psi> crazy!
[00:48] <m0psi> 1k
[00:48] <m0psi> not a clever one, just a load of if/then
[00:49] <fsphil> it only had 1k ram?
[00:49] <m0psi> but ok for a 12 year old
[00:49] <m0psi> yep
[00:49] <m0psi> some guys had the 16k "Mega Pack"
[00:49] <m0psi> check them out!
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[00:50] <fsphil> I wrote a pong game, that was about the only intresting thing I did on the c64
[00:50] <m0psi> i actually had a go writing a flightsim for tie fighters on the dragon 32
[00:50] <m0psi> realised the futility very quick
[00:50] <fsphil> nice
[00:51] <m0psi> ah well. moving back to arduino ....
[00:51] <fsphil> a more powerful machine
[00:51] <m0psi> indeed
[00:51] <fsphil> although much less RAM which is annoying
[00:52] <m0psi> 328k == 328 x more than 1k
[00:52] <fsphil> arduino only has about 1k
[00:53] <m0psi> ?!
[00:53] <fsphil> 1024 bytes of sram :)
[00:53] <m0psi> so, what is 328k?
[00:53] <fsphil> the AVR model
[00:54] <fsphil> sorry, the atmega328 has 2k sram
[00:54] <m0psi> still not following
[00:54] <m0psi> i thought 328 is 328k
[00:54] <m0psi> right?
[00:54] <Lunar_Lander> here is the laptop from ThrustSSC http://s.gullipics.com/image/7/m/0/5yvmef-jg2cxd-llen/IMG6248.jpeg
[00:54] <fsphil> nope, just the model of the AVR chip
[00:54] <m0psi> oh
[00:55] <fsphil> no AVR has more than 8k iirc
[00:55] <m0psi> i see
[00:55] <m0psi> so, confused now
[00:56] <m0psi> the compiler says sketch size 7,180 bytes of 32,256 max
[00:56] <m0psi> what is that about then?
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[00:56] <fsphil> program size
[00:56] <m0psi> but that has to live in ram, right?
[00:56] <fsphil> it has 32kb of space for program
[00:57] <fsphil> nope, that lives on flrash
[00:57] <fsphil> flash
[00:57] <m0psi> ah
[00:57] <m0psi> so, flash + ram
[00:57] <fsphil> exactly
[00:57] <fsphil> there's also eeprom, 1k in the 328
[00:57] <m0psi> ok, so, 328 is related to flash?
[00:57] <fsphil> 328 is simply the model number
[00:57] <m0psi> ok
[00:58] <m0psi> so, how can i know the flash size?
[00:58] <fsphil> it'll be in the specs for your board
[00:58] <fsphil> that and it says 32,256 max above :)
[00:58] <m0psi> ok, so what's the story with eeprom?
[00:58] <m0psi> (got that bit :-) )
[00:59] <fsphil> eeprom is memory that retains its contents without power
[00:59] <fsphil> like flash, but writeable
[00:59] <fsphil> you'd use it to store settings for example
[00:59] <m0psi> but i thought that once you upload a program, it is stored forever
[01:00] <fsphil> yes, but you can't normally write to flash from your program
[01:00] <fsphil> only the bootloader or external programmer can do that
[01:00] <m0psi> oh
[01:00] <m0psi> so, eeprom can write to flash
[01:00] <m0psi> and you run from flash
[01:00] <m0psi> using ram, as the execution place
[01:01] <fsphil> the program can only ever be stored and executed from flash
[01:01] <fsphil> the cpu reads it from flash directly
[01:02] <m0psi> ok, so the flash write to eeprom, to store stuff, as a sketchpad
[01:02] <fsphil> your program can write to eeprom
[01:02] <m0psi> as a nonvolitile mem
[01:02] <fsphil> yep
[01:02] <m0psi> ok, like a permanent logging place
[01:02] <m0psi> that can tolerate power losss
[01:02] <fsphil> the cpu can't execute anything from sram or eeprom, they're only used for data
[01:03] <m0psi> ok, i get the picture
[01:03] <m0psi> so, if i stored my gps data in eeprom, and recovered the tracker afterpower loss, i can then power it up, to read its log
[01:04] <fsphil> in theory yep
[01:04] <m0psi> interesting
[01:04] <m0psi> clever these japanese aren't they
[01:04] <m0psi> well, italians :-)
[01:04] <fsphil> I'm considering doing that with a backup tracker
[01:05] <arko> anyone here know a low cost method to simulating hab conditions (-60c/1mbar)
[01:05] <fsphil> atmel make the avr, bot actually sure where they're based
[01:05] <m0psi> y, you can leave it in the corner just quietly logging stuff
[01:05] <fsphil> an, american
[01:05] <m0psi> liq N2 ?
[01:05] <fsphil> seems if you need more memory, the arm chips are the way to go
[01:06] <m0psi> is at 77K
[01:06] <m0psi> arm chip itself has the mem? or the infrastructure around it?
[01:06] <fsphil> I saw someone using a fire extinguisher and a sock to cool a payload down
[01:06] <fsphil> I think that might have been steve?
[01:07] <m0psi> fire ext is CO2 i think
[01:07] <fsphil> some have memory, some don't
[01:07] <fsphil> it's the rapid decompression that cools it
[01:07] <fsphil> then they put it in dry ice
[01:07] <m0psi> i was aksing the same question a few days ago, and asked for dry ice
[01:07] <fsphil> in an insulated box
[01:08] <m0psi> dry ice is cheap from lab supplies
[01:08] <m0psi> liq N2 is complicated to store and handle, unless you have a good dewer
[01:08] <m0psi> in fact, some chemicals get delivered in a polystrn box, in dry ice
[01:08] <fsphil> doing the atmospheric pressure would be a lot trickier
[01:09] <fsphil> to be honest the simplest way of testing is to launch it :)
[01:09] <m0psi> y, some kind of plunger
[01:09] <fsphil> unless you happen to have a vaccume chamber
[01:09] <m0psi> there are plenty of low cost vac pumps for that kind of pressure
[01:09] <fsphil> -e
[01:10] <fsphil> temperature seems to be the big thing, the low pressure actually helps keep things a bit warmer
[01:10] <m0psi> i used to use vac pumps that really are looking to get the last few atoms out
[01:10] <m0psi> takes forever!
[01:10] <m0psi> why?
[01:10] <m0psi> why does low P keep things warm?
[01:10] <fsphil> less air to transfer heat away from components
[01:11] <m0psi> instulator?
[01:11] <m0psi> right
[01:11] <m0psi> well, i better get on with this code, it is not self writing yet!
[01:12] <fsphil> if it does, switch it off quickly!
[01:12] <m0psi> it is coming!
[01:13] <Lunar_Lander> xD skynet
[01:13] <m0psi> i was trying to remember thta name!
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[01:17] <m0psi> who wrote habitat?
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[01:19] <Lunar_Lander> the cambridge team I think
[01:19] <m0psi> bloody good work
[01:20] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[03:30] <arko> wooo
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[04:37] <arko> has anyone here setup dl-fldigi to listen for aprs?
[04:37] <arko> i'll take a while guess and say yes someone has
[04:39] <Darkside> no
[04:39] <arko> heh
[04:39] <Darkside> beause dl-fldigi doesn't do APRS
[04:39] <arko> oh
[04:39] <arko> no way to configure it to do so then?
[04:39] <Darkside> nope
[04:39] <arko> damn
[04:39] <Darkside> it doesnt support that modulation scheme
[04:39] <arko> any programs that can?
[04:39] <Darkside> what OS
[04:39] <arko> any
[04:39] <Darkside> well
[04:40] <arko> audio in
[04:40] <Darkside> on linux theres soundmodem
[04:40] <arko> windows prefered
[04:40] <Darkside> on windows theres AGWPE
[04:40] <Darkside> which can be talked to from programs like ui-view
[04:40] <Darkside> or other stuff
[04:40] <Darkside> APRS is a bit of an annoying one
[04:40] <Darkside> MixW will demodulate it it hink
[04:41] <arko> oh yeah
[04:41] <fsphil> fldigi has an ax25 demodulator in the development branch
[04:41] <arko> ah
[04:41] <Darkside> ooh
[04:42] <Darkside> fsphil: hows it going?
[04:42] <arko> i hate aprs so much
[04:42] <fsphil> I only used it a couple of times when testing swift
[04:42] <fsphil> seemed to work -- very basic
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[04:45] <mrShrimp> Hello?
[04:45] <Darkside> hello hello?
[04:45] <Darkside> i don't know why you say goodbye i say hello
[04:45] <mrShrimp> :p
[04:45] <fsphil> "Is it me you're looking for..."
[04:45] <Darkside> :P
[04:46] <mrShrimp> erm, I have question
[04:46] <mrShrimp> The GPS unit I purchased is outputting NMEA packets
[04:46] <mrShrimp> that say that it does not have a fix
[04:46] <mrShrimp> yet when I plug in recorded data to VisualGPS
[04:46] <Darkside> which gps unit?
[04:47] <mrShrimp> Trimble Copernicus II
[04:47] <Darkside> k
[04:47] <mrShrimp> When I plug in data to VisualGPS it outputs exact coordinates
[04:47] <mrShrimp> even though I can't seem to find where it is getting them from
[04:47] <Darkside> no idea
[04:47] <Darkside> i'd truyst the data from the gps diretly
[04:47] <Darkside> it might be reporting a position, but have no fix
[04:48] <mrShrimp> where would it get that position from?
[04:48] <Darkside> dunno
[04:48] <mrShrimp> well
[04:48] <mrShrimp> it does show latitude and longitude
[04:48] <Darkside> maybe it had a fix for a short time
[04:48] <mrShrimp> but it says there is no fix, and it doesn't display altitude
[04:48] <Darkside> and is reporting the last fix position
[04:48] <mrShrimp> maybe
[04:48] <mrShrimp> I'll check
[04:49] <mrShrimp> wth
[04:50] <mrShrimp> when I plug in the data from the text file for the second time, there is no read.
[04:50] <mrShrimp> I think you are right, it got a fix once or twice only
[04:50] <mrShrimp> in a previous test, and it kept the data from that
[04:51] <mrShrimp> I'm going to mess around with the voltage, maybe it needs to be in the upper range.
[04:52] <mrShrimp> I have been running it on minimum voltage so far.
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[05:20] <arko> yeeha!
[05:20] <arko> http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=14&call=a%2FN6ARA&timerange=3600
[05:20] <arko> she works!
[05:21] <fsphil> target locked, sir
[05:22] <arko> :)
[05:23] <fsphil> right, I'd better shrink.. er, wash some clothes
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[06:09] <jarod> arko whats that?
[06:10] <arko> my habex test bed
[06:10] <jarod> wha? :O
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[06:35] <fsphil> I've left my radio at home doing APRS duties, and so far it's only received packets from a signal station all week
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[07:50] <SP9UOB> hiall
[07:50] <SP9UOB> hi all
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[08:20] <Upu> morning SP9UOB
[08:27] <Upu> PYSY is up
[08:28] <Upu> and Lunar is awol again
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[08:48] <Upu> morning Brian
[08:48] <OZ1SKY_Brian> GM UPU
[08:49] <Upu> might just be out of range for you I think its an 800g balloon
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[08:50] <number10> I cant see lunars station on the map
[08:51] <Upu> correct
[08:51] <Upu> he seems allergic to tracking
[08:51] <number10> silly to state the obvious
[08:51] <number10> I probably didnt need to check
[08:51] <Upu> I even made a point of telling 2 days ago
[08:51] <daveake> Does it bring him out in Spots?
[08:52] <Upu> no idea but some might say he could do with the practice
[08:52] <number10> you would have thought a bit of tracking practice before his launch in 2025 would be useful
[08:52] <Upu> lol
[08:54] <OZ1SKY_Brian> freq for pysy?
[08:54] <OZ1SKY_Brian> i got tropo to that area now on 70cm, maybe i can hear it
[08:56] <number10> that would be cool
[08:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> I hear south germany and austria on 70cm sbb, so maybe there is a chance.
[08:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ssb that is
[08:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> anyone got the freq for pysy?
[08:59] <number10> not sure of the exact freq somewhere around 434.650
[08:59] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ill try
[09:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> nothing, but hear a 2w beacon from that area
[09:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> brb
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[09:16] <OZ1SKY_Brian> back
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[09:21] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hear nothing around 434650
[09:22] <SP9UOB> OZ1SKY_Brian: same here
[09:23] <OZ1SKY_Brian> But i hear beacons from the same area, so there is a chance i think
[09:23] <OZ1SKY_Brian> OE3XMB in JN77 is in now
[09:24] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SP9UOB its getting close to you now
[09:25] <SP9UOB> yup, but still nothing
[09:25] <SP9UOB> btw: this is ISM band so many QRM here
[09:25] <OZ1SKY_Brian> let us know the exat freq when you hear it
[09:26] <SP9UOB> Im using Funcube Dongle so exact is not exact ;-)
[09:26] <OZ1SKY_Brian> no way, i hear it
[09:26] <OZ1SKY_Brian> !!!
[09:27] <SP9UOB> i have traces on waterfall
[09:27] <SP9UOB> no decode now
[09:27] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 434,649,6
[09:28] <SP9UOB> little bit louder now
[09:28] <OZ1SKY_Brian> its not in the flight list
[09:32] <SP9UOB> 209:32:7,49.61,12B80,11,486, .6,-4HY30A
[09:32] <OZ1SKY_Brian> $$PYSV28sVX9:s:07,49.17100<32.19165,16qG# 34W0,-4.W1@3A
[09:34] <arko> damn, it's 1:30am
[09:35] <SP9UOB> $$PYSY,2!7,0|y35>K6
[09:36] <OZ1SKY_Brian> what rtty mode have you set?
[09:36] <PE2G> I have 429 shift
[09:38] <SP9UOB> 50 baud
[09:38] <SP9UOB> 7n1
[09:38] <SP9UOB> ascii
[09:38] <OZ1SKY_Brian> $$PYSV28sVX9:s:07,49.17100<32.19165,16qG# 34W0,-4.W1@3A
[09:38] <OZ1SKY_Brian> green!
[09:38] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ups
[09:38] <OZ1SKY_Brian> wrong string, but got a green
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[09:40] <OZ1SKY_Brian> who can put it on active flights?
[09:40] <OZ1SKY_Brian> in fldigi?
[09:41] <PE2G> Using 7n2 here, 50 baud
[09:41] <OZ1SKY_Brian> me2
[09:43] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Upu ping
[09:44] <SP9UOB> $$PYSYl21,09:3:46,4917486,12.24492,20032,0,588 11.7,/0.t*
[09:44] <SP9UOB> almost...
[09:47] <fsphil> what range?
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[09:48] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 800.3km
[09:49] <fsphil> a fair bit then :)
[09:49] <OZ1SKY_Brian> but it didnt seem to upload it, its not in active flights
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[09:49] <fsphil> you can show al lflights
[09:49] <OZ1SKY_Brian> how can we get it into active flights
[09:49] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes but there is alot of pysy┬┤s
[09:49] <fsphil> pick the last one :)
[09:50] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok
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[09:50] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[09:51] <Lunar_Lander> for some reason my ubuntu dl-fldigi wants to tell me all the time that there is a new version
[09:51] <fsphil> heya Lunar_Lander. there's a balloon in range of you, you tracking?
[09:51] <Lunar_Lander> and I can't refresh the flight list
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[09:51] <fsphil> this flight isn't on the active payload list
[09:51] <Lunar_Lander> OK
[09:51] <fsphil> use the testing list
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[09:51] <Lunar_Lander> which of the five is it?
[09:52] <fsphil> try the last one
[09:52] <fsphil> oh, it's burst
[09:53] <fsphil> that's very low
[09:53] <daveake> very
[09:53] <daveake> what balloon was it?
[09:53] <Lunar_Lander> PYSY
[09:53] <Lunar_Lander> 800g totex
[09:53] <Lunar_Lander> I think
[09:53] <fsphil> 800g yea
[09:53] <daveake> ok
[09:53] <daveake> still very low then
[09:54] <Lunar_Lander> does anyone have a dial frequency?
[09:54] <fsphil> "military surplus"
[09:54] <fsphil> so possibly == old
[09:54] <daveake> ah
[09:54] <Lunar_Lander> I am searching around 434.650
[09:54] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 434,649,4
[09:54] <SP9UOB> ok its gone - nothing here
[09:54] <OZ1SKY_Brian> weak trace here
[09:55] <OZ1SKY_Brian> gone now
[09:55] <fsphil> that was some good propagation
[09:55] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes
[09:55] <OZ1SKY_Brian> just not sure i got a green uploadet :-(
[09:56] <Lunar_Lander> I can hear it I think
[09:56] <Lunar_Lander> but the waterfall disagrees
[09:56] <Lunar_Lander> recording the audio now
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[09:57] <SP9UOB> ok im tuning back to 437.600 where my tracker is :-)
[09:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> fsphil how can i find out, if a green got uploadet from me?
[09:58] <fsphil> I'm not sure, I just checked the stats page but as it wasn't an active flight it isn't listed
[09:58] <fsphil> might be able to check the database
[09:59] <OZ1SKY_Brian> it showed a green here, but now sure if that got uploadet
[09:59] <OZ1SKY_Brian> now-not
[10:00] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[10:00] <Lunar_Lander> I think I heard it but well
[10:00] <Lunar_Lander> bad balloon
[10:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> $$PYSY,304,09:38:06,49.17096,12.21726,18579,10,5863, 10.4,-44.1*F067
[10:04] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[10:04] <Lunar_Lander> you got better antennas then me
[10:04] <OZ1SKY_Brian> just better tropo. its was far below the HOR.
[10:05] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[10:06] <Lunar_Lander> I got a mountain range south of me
[10:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> south is the most clear dir from here
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[10:10] <fsphil> querying couchdb is a right pain :)
[10:10] <OZ1SKY_Brian> :-)
[10:12] <OZ1SKY_Brian> pretty good tropo, still got the austrian 70cm beacon in
[10:12] <griffonbot> Received email: Justin Maynard "[UKHAS] Launch Announcement Cloud9 flights"
[10:12] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 991km away
[10:13] <OZ1SKY_Brian> i realy hope that green one was uploadet, would have been a nice catch
[10:13] <daveake> Cloud9? grrr :p
[10:13] <Darkside> lol
[10:14] <fsphil> gonna have to get DanielRichman or Randomskk to check :)
[10:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> thanks phil, would realy like to know
[10:15] <justinatomatic> Not our choice of name :)
[10:15] <daveake> My "cloud" series is only up to 7 :)
[10:15] <jonsowman> fsphil: what are you trying to do?
[10:15] <daveake> buzz though is into double figures
[10:16] <fsphil> jonsowman: check if OZ1SKY_Brian received PSPY
[10:16] <jonsowman> ah ok
[10:16] <jonsowman> using futon?
[10:16] <fsphil> yea, although I know nothing about it so... :)
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[10:18] <justinatomatic> If it matters the flights a lodged by the payload name the the project is cloud9 so you can still keep you cloud series of flights up.
[10:18] <daveake> :)
[10:19] <Darkside> aha its justinatomatic
[10:19] <Darkside> justinatomatic: we won't see it from here, not at 17km alt
[10:20] <justinatomatic> Oh well
[10:20] <fsphil> that nick reminds me of the shipping forecast
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[10:20] <SP9UOB> OZ1SKY_Brian: so lets try to QSO on 70 cm :-)
[10:21] <fsphil> haha
[10:21] <fsphil> do it
[10:21] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SP9UOB HI, ill put out some signal on 432213 cw
[10:21] <SP9UOB> OZ1SKY_Brian: i have 50 watts/FM
[10:21] <justinatomatic> dam that curvature of the earth.
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[10:21] <SP9UOB> oz1sky, i retune funcubedongle
[10:22] <SP9UOB> ok, call QC
[10:22] <SP9UOB> CQ
[10:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok
[10:23] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SP9UOB but i hear nothing from SP, only south DL,OE and OK
[10:23] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Its very centered around jn67,68,77 ish
[10:25] <OZ1SKY_Brian> so i was pretty darn lucky pysy when up in that area
[10:25] <SP9UOB> JO90 here
[10:26] <SP9UOB> no luck, i have only X510 N antenna
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[10:28] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SP9UOB ok some other time
[10:29] <SP9UOB> OZ1SKY_Brian: :-)
[10:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SP9UOB JN67 beacon is 599+5, crazy tropo today
[10:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> allmost 1000km
[10:35] <SP9UOB> so i go to 144.300 :-)
[10:36] <OZ1SKY_Brian> beam or gp?
[10:36] <SP9UOB> GP
[10:36] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok ill rx
[10:36] <SP9UOB> quiet here :-(
[10:37] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ill put out a signal for you on 144330
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[10:38] <SP9UOB> again
[10:38] <SP9UOB> no it isnt You
[10:38] <OZ1SKY_Brian> your on 330 now?
[10:39] <SP9UOB> wait i must switch antenna to TX
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[10:39] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok, lets go to PM with this hamradio stuff :-)
[10:39] <SP9UOB> 50 Watts out CW now
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[10:49] <griffonbot> Received email: MikeB "[UKHAS] Re: Launch Announcement Cloud9 flights"
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[13:48] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[14:02] <Lunar_Lander> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aSNS_pECgE&feature=youtu.be
[14:02] <Lunar_Lander> this is my attempt to listen to PYSY
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[14:13] <Lunar_Lander> you can hear the RTTY faintly
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[14:27] <RG_LZ1DEV> Ybertos/cpu/avr/drv/ser_avr.cXY:XYX6YX6YX3YX: YXAssertion faile [Unsupported packet format]
[14:27] <RG_LZ1DEV> ops i broke some digi repeater
[14:27] <RG_LZ1DEV> :(
[14:27] <RG_LZ1DEV> damn buffer overflows
[14:28] <x-f> that's why we can't have nice things
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[14:29] <RG_LZ1DEV> funny enough a even larger packet doesnt break it
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[14:29] <Broliv> Hey Guys
[14:30] <x-f> hi
[14:30] <Broliv> Hi x-f
[14:30] <Broliv> I have a quick question for anyone that may be able to help me
[14:30] <Broliv> it's about the configuration on a ublox6 GPS
[14:31] <x-f> shoot
[14:31] <Broliv> I'm trying to find out what altitude variation is?
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[14:33] <x-f> not sure what you mean
[14:34] <Broliv> When configuring the reciever using CFG-NAV5, there is a bit assigned to altitude variation. In the sample code i've got it is set to 1m but in the documentation it is not set by default. I'm just trying to figureout what it is for.
[14:35] <Broliv> if that makes sense?
[14:37] <Broliv> I've had a look online but i've not been able to find anything and the doumentation from ublox only mentions it twice in the whole 220 page document
[14:38] <x-f> i don't know, sorry
[14:38] <Broliv> no worries
[14:38] <Upu> mail me the query through Broliv
[14:38] <Upu> I'll have a look and if I can't work it out I'll pass it on to Ublox
[14:38] <x-f> that sample code is from UKHAS wiki?
[14:39] <Broliv> Yeah
[14:42] <Broliv> Right i'm getting told off by my gf. Time to get a shower.
[14:42] <Broliv> bbl
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[15:10] <Lunar_Lander> hello mclane
[15:10] <mclane> hi lunar
[15:10] <Lunar_Lander> did you recover your balloon?
[15:10] <mclane> yes, we just came back
[15:11] <mclane> it was hanging in a tree this time
[15:11] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[15:11] <Lunar_Lander> I tuned in just at burst
[15:11] <mclane> about 20 m high
[15:12] <Lunar_Lander> but dl-fldigi couldn't read it
[15:12] <Lunar_Lander> but I thought I could hear RTTY
[15:12] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[15:12] <mclane> ah cool
[15:15] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[15:15] <Lunar_Lander> here
[15:15] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aSNS_pECgE&feature=share&list=UUwLbAytnYpEVbryZurOL8cg
[15:15] <mclane> I have seen several decodes from someone in the netherlands!
[15:17] <Upu> Yeah Brian took the record for longest distance
[15:17] <Upu> 800km
[15:17] <SpeedEvil> 1000km would be fun on 433.
[15:18] <Randomskk> itym 1Mm
[15:18] <mclane> even the balloon did not go up very high; peak was at 21101 m
[15:18] <SpeedEvil> would of course need a balloon receiver
[15:18] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[15:18] <SpeedEvil> pi +dongle + habamp
[15:19] <Lunar_Lander> can anyone hear the RTTY in the noise actually?
[15:19] <Lunar_Lander> a friend of mine says he can't hear them
[15:20] <SpeedEvil> well depends how far in the noise
[15:20] <SpeedEvil> if you mean 'can't quite decode' ...
[15:20] <nick_> How much do people pay for a balloon and Helium?
[15:20] <Lunar_Lander> yea it was not enough for dl-fldigi
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[15:21] <SpeedEvil> some have considered hydrogen
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[15:23] <mclane> a balloon is 40-80 EUR +/- depending on size
[15:23] <mclane> helium is expensive these days
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[15:24] <SpeedEvil> I've considered a silly one.
[15:24] <SpeedEvil> large bin bag type thing plus natural gas.
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[15:35] <nick_> What temperature ranges do payloads experience?
[15:36] <nick_> (I'm writing a brief explanation of HAB flights for a paper about my cosmic ray detector that I want to launch)
[15:36] <Randomskk> depends. you mean external temperatures?
[15:36] <nick_> yes
[15:36] <Randomskk> might be as low as -50 or so. and highest will be ground level typically
[15:36] <Randomskk> but bear in mind you're kicking out heat from your circuitry and there's very very little air to take it away, and also getting a lot of incident solar radiation
[15:36] <Randomskk> so your surface temperature and internal temperature can be fairly high
[15:37] <nick_> yeah
[15:37] <griffonbot> Received email: mclane "[UKHAS] Re: Launch Announcement PYSY on 17.11.2012"
[15:40] <eroomde> aftnn
[15:41] <nick_> But with relatively simple foam + foil insulation what kind of temperature range should I consider?
[15:41] <nick_> hi eroomde
[15:42] <nick_> My high altitude cosmic experiment received a boost this week as I found otu I have an undergrad student to work on it next term :)
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[15:46] <mclane> Hi nick_ we are using a styrofoam box, 3cm wall thickness, with some electronics inside it never dropped below zero
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[15:48] <Lunar_Lander> mclane, what did you fly today?
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[15:55] <eroomde> nick_: cool
[15:55] <eroomde> simoin spiro in virology is also a keen hab person
[15:55] <eroomde> i helped him launch last week
[15:56] <eroomde> he is now talking about a little unofficial multi-disciplinary balloon group at ox
[15:58] <Lunar_Lander> eroomde, so he is a biologist?
[15:58] <eroomde> virologist
[15:58] <mclane> lunar, we flow our first payload again: one GoPro and one Canon still camera (chdk intervallometer script)
[15:58] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[15:58] <Lunar_Lander> mclane, ah ok
[15:59] <Lunar_Lander> eroomde, is he just interested in HAB as such or also in searching for life up there for example
[15:59] <eroomde> don't know
[15:59] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[15:59] <eroomde> i think more interested in helping out with the design of experiments that benefit from flying up there
[16:00] <eroomde> whatever they might be
[16:00] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[16:00] <Lunar_Lander> sounds good
[16:00] <nick_> eroomde: cool, can you point me at him?
[16:00] <nick_> Or him at me?
[16:01] <eroomde> i did
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[16:01] <eroomde> but he said that he is buying a house and finishing an ebola thing which will keep him busy till christmas
[16:01] <Lunar_Lander> ohhhh
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[16:01] <Lunar_Lander> so he is working in a S4 lab
[16:01] <eroomde> but will ping an email in the new year about a pub meet of interested habenpeepers
[16:02] <nick_> OK
[16:02] <eroomde> i will make sure you get it
[16:02] <Lunar_Lander> I'd also be interested to talk to him
[16:02] <eroomde> you want to buy some ebola?
[16:03] <Lunar_Lander> no, talk with him about HAb
[16:04] <eroomde> well, come and visit oxford next year :)
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[16:05] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[16:08] <Lunar_Lander> ah I just checked
[16:08] <Lunar_Lander> I almost mixed up Oxford and Cambridge
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[16:16] <Upu> Attempt on the world paper plane record launched
[16:16] <Upu> http://spacenear.us/tracker/ W9MOK
[16:18] <Upu> http://spacenear.us/tracker/?filter=W9MOK%3BW9MOK-2 even
[16:23] <Lunar_Lander> hi Upu , as an improvement to the flight in germany that had paper planes landing in India, USA and South Africa?
[16:23] <Upu> oh hello Lunar you've turned up
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[16:23] <Upu> forget to set your alarm ? :)
[16:24] <Lunar_Lander> yea a bit
[16:24] <Lunar_Lander> I managed to hear PYSY at burst
[16:24] <Upu> you need to get some practice in for your own launch
[16:24] <Lunar_Lander> but dl-fldigi didn't get anything but noise
[16:24] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[16:32] <Lunar_Lander> one of us is looking into making a Yagi btw
[16:36] <Lunar_Lander> bbl
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[17:07] <DrLuke> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXjrlXgGids
[17:20] <Lunar_Lander> XD
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[17:39] <Guest57161> Hello all... Ive just followed the "How to link Arduino to NTX2" on UKHAS and am delighted that I can now send test text to fldigi via my circuit + radio. I now need to integrate a UBlox so that it passes and transmits position data etc. Anyone aware of any guides to assist?
[17:39] <Guest57161> Thanks
[17:40] <Guest57161> Matt
[17:43] <craag> There's one on the UKHAS Wiki: http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:ublox6
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[17:45] <solitude> any example gps code anyone? serial >>>>arduino
[17:47] <craag> For ublox gps: http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:ublox6
[17:47] <Guest57161> fantastic, thank you
[17:48] <solitude> >:< cragg> perfect thanks. Serial data generic or ublox specific?
[17:49] <craag> That's ublox specific, for other look at the guides here: http://ukhas.org.uk/frontpage:guides
[17:53] <solitude> Doh..! Thanks - Why didn't I see that. Thanks
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[18:04] <solitude> to <cragg> don't suppose you know the diferences in the NEO modules? 6P / 6M / 6Q etc
[18:05] <Lunar_Lander> solitude, you don't need to write the <> signs, if you write the name only, the system will automatically notify him that you wrote
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[18:06] <craag> 6G is the 1.8v variant, 6Q is the 3.3v variant.
[18:06] <solitude> lunar_lander thanks :)
[18:06] <Lunar_Lander> you're welcome :)
[18:07] <craag> You'll probably want the 6Q.
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[18:07] <solitude> OK, took a look at this bargain but maybe not http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SainSmart-Ublox-NEO-6M-GPS-Module-Aircraft-Controller-For-Arduino-MWC-IMU-A100-/271103317194?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item3f1f0454ca
[18:08] <craag> I'd suggest HAB supplies: http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/category&path=59_60
[18:08] <craag> But that one does look rather cheap.
[18:09] <craag> I'm not sure of the difference between the NEO- and MAX- modules.
[18:09] <solitude> or http://compare.ebay.co.uk/like/281009799346?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar&adtype=pla&crdt=0
[18:09] <Randomskk> size
[18:09] <Randomskk> USB
[18:09] <Randomskk> other minor things
[18:09] <Randomskk> max is a fair bit smaller
[18:10] <Randomskk> neo has usb so you can plug it right into u-center which can be handy but not really required
[18:10] <Randomskk> I'd probably recommend the max if you have the hoice
[18:10] <Randomskk> choice
[18:10] <Randomskk> neo works fine though
[18:11] <solitude> OK..... Just saving a few quid in something I know I'm going to loose :))
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[19:04] <costyn> evening
[19:04] <costyn> quick question on NTX2. should bot RF gnd's be connected to ant gnd or only GND2?
[19:05] <eroomde> both
[19:05] <costyn> ok... used only gnd2 last time I think
[19:05] <eroomde> i.e. GND - RF_out - GND
[19:05] <costyn> yes
[19:05] <eroomde> it's nice and easy if it's going to an sma connector
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[19:05] <eroomde> as you can just run lines out straight from the 3 pins to the 3 pins on the connector
[19:06] <costyn> yea doing that as we speak :)
[19:06] <eroomde> you don't have to connect the rf gnd to the global gnd though
[19:06] <eroomde> as that's done via the chip
[19:06] <costyn> right
[19:06] <eroomde> and it's probably better to keep it separate to keep the emi down
[19:06] <eroomde> something to bear in mind if you're doing a global copper pour, say
[19:06] <costyn> does global gnd tend to get noisy?
[19:07] <costyn> right
[19:07] <eroomde> other way round really
[19:07] <eroomde> in this case
[19:07] <costyn> ah yea
[19:07] <eroomde> i.e the rf gnd might be a bit noisy
[19:07] <eroomde> but in general it's good to split your ground planes up into separate functional bits
[19:07] <Randomskk> someone asked about this once and I drew this https://randomskk.net/u/rfout.png
[19:07] <eroomde> i.e. all the analog stuff with one bit of ground plane
[19:08] <eroomde> all the digital switching stuff like the uC and spi chip[s in another bit
[19:08] <eroomde> rf in another
[19:08] <eroomde> and all just connect them up at one single point
[19:08] <eroomde> ideally by the power supplky
[19:08] <Randomskk> but if you do split your ground planes, you have to be really really careful about return paths
[19:08] <Randomskk> I mean you should be careful anyway
[19:08] <costyn> eroomde: thanks good to know
[19:08] <eroomde> yes indeed, that's more important
[19:08] <eroomde> so
[19:08] <eroomde> well
[19:09] <Randomskk> but especially with split ground planes, any lines running between sections should go over the join and not the split
[19:09] <Randomskk> lines running over the top of the splits in the ground planes is a bad sign
[19:09] <costyn> Randomskk: can you elaborate about the join vs split?
[19:09] Nick change: eroomde -> zeusbrot
[19:09] <zeusbrot> http://www.maximintegrated.com/app-notes/index.mvp/id/5100
[19:09] Nick change: zeusbrot -> eroomde
[19:09] <eroomde> oh no not that one
[19:09] <eroomde> ah
[19:09] <eroomde> gh
[19:09] <Randomskk> http://www.maximintegrated.com/app-notes/index.mvp/id/4636 is good too
[19:10] <eroomde> http://www.maximintegrated.com/app-notes/index.mvp/id/5450
[19:10] <Randomskk> read that whole page :P
[19:10] <costyn> heh ok
[19:11] <eroomde> so yeah, the 2nd thing i linkled to has lots of stuff on return paths
[19:11] <eroomde> i have just put 3 pcbs in the oven
[19:11] <eroomde> it's almost as exciting as doing muffins
[19:11] <costyn> hehehe
[19:12] <SpeedEvil> take them out before they go golden brown though.
[19:12] <costyn> for reflow soldering right?
[19:12] <eroomde> yeah
[19:13] <costyn> something I know very little about
[19:13] <eroomde> it's nice
[19:13] <eroomde> makes everything much quicker
[19:13] <eroomde> and the results are betterthan i can do by hand
[19:13] <eroomde> usually
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[19:14] <costyn> whats a good/easy connector to use for hooking up battery clips?
[19:15] <costyn> JST comes to mind, but I don't have those atm
[19:15] <eroomde> normal molex works too
[19:15] <eroomde> 0.1"
[19:17] <costyn> 0.1 is the pitch right?
[19:17] <eroomde> yeah
[19:18] <costyn> hmm I should have some of those in the shed somewhere
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[19:48] <costyn> holy carp... just measuring some resistors I scrounged from an old rc toy, found one thats 22 M ohm. holy resistance batman
[19:48] <Laurenceb_> i have a pack of 10Tohm
[19:49] <zyp> a pack of insulators?
[19:49] <costyn> what do you need those for?
[19:49] <costyn> haha
[19:49] <Laurenceb_> high voltage glass ones
[19:49] <Laurenceb_> 50Kv
[19:50] <eroomde> i found a trick for large resistances in many values
[19:50] <eroomde> get to bits of wire that you want to have the resistence between
[19:50] <eroomde> separate them by some distance
[19:51] <Randomskk> eroomde: enjoy your non-linear resistance with voltage :P
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[19:51] <Randomskk> Vbd
[19:54] <eroomde> details
[19:55] <eroomde> does one put a lightning arrestor on a storm hab?
[19:58] <eroomde> new hackaday layout could be worse
[19:58] <eroomde> they get anod
[19:59] <Randomskk> hmm yea that's not a bad layout
[20:00] <eroomde> right, I am going home
[20:00] <eroomde> got the boards boarded
[20:11] <Laurenceb_> they get anode?
[20:12] <Laurenceb_> wow they edited the css
[20:12] <Laurenceb_> bit dfeal
[20:13] <Laurenceb_> When we decided that our template needed a remake several years ago, we knew it was going to be a long and difficult process.
[20:13] <Laurenceb_> pmsl
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[20:29] <jcoxon> Evening
[20:29] <RG_LZ1DEV> good evening jcoxon
[20:29] <SpeedEvil> evening
[20:30] <Lunar_Lander> hello jcoxon
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[21:08] <fsphil> oh7lzb: would the world catch fire and come to a horrible end if one where to send binary packets through APRS-IS?
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[21:10] <RG_LZ1DEV> haha
[21:11] <fsphil> I'd never hear the end of it ;)
[21:11] <RG_LZ1DEV> is that a overflow joke?
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[21:12] <fsphil> hah, it is now
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> hi daveake
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[21:31] <griffonbot> Received email: mclane "[UKHAS] Re: Launch Announcement PYSY on 17.11.2012"
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[21:48] <Nickolai> hello all
[21:51] <eroomde> ni Nickolai
[21:51] <eroomde> hi*
[21:52] <Nickolai> hey ed
[21:52] <eroomde> how do you know?
[21:52] <oh7lzb> fsphil: In theory, as long as you stay on APRS-IS and do not enter the radio side of things, everything that does not have a CR or LF in the middle of the packet, should go through just fine.
[21:52] <Nickolai> man it's been a while since i've been here
[21:52] <Nickolai> i used to be on this chat maybe around a year ago
[21:52] <Nickolai> u were working on a rockoon right?
[21:53] <oh7lzb> The APRS-IS servers behave quite well, but there are horrible packet-mangling igates and TNC setups out there.
[21:53] <eroomde> i recall now :)
[21:53] <eroomde> wb
[21:53] <eroomde> yes
[21:53] <Nickolai> how's that go/how's that going?
[21:54] <oh7lzb> fsphil: What do you have in mind?
[21:54] <RG_LZ1DE1> oh7lzb: managed to overflow one digi today ;)
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[21:54] <eroomde> well, i moved jobs, left cambridge, and am not really doing rockoon stuff now
[21:54] <oh7lzb> As a matter of fact, there are some low binary bytes (< 0x20) transmitted by Mic-E trackers all the time. And those bytes are eaten by some igates all the time, too.
[21:55] <eroomde> how have you been?
[21:55] <RG_LZ1DE1> oh7lzb: we want to send pictures, without the need to encode them in printable characters
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[21:57] <Lunar_Lander> hi Nickolai
[21:57] <Lunar_Lander> has been a long time that you have been ehre
[21:57] <Lunar_Lander> here
[21:57] <oh7lzb> Ahh.
[21:57] <oh7lzb> Over radio?
[21:57] <oh7lzb> Not just over APRS-IS?
[21:57] <RG_LZ1DE1> yes
[21:58] <oh7lzb> How many bytes per picture?
[21:58] <RG_LZ1DE1> well depends
[21:58] <RG_LZ1DE1> 4-10k
[21:58] <RG_LZ1DE1> they will be packetized
[21:59] <Nickolai> hey lunar_lander, yes it's been a while!
[22:00] <oh7lzb> So, about 20 to 50 packets per picture, right?
[22:00] <RG_LZ1DE1> something like that
[22:00] <oh7lzb> RTTY to APRS-IS, or through regular AX.25 APRS igates?
[22:01] <RG_LZ1DE1> regular
[22:01] <RG_LZ1DE1> it seems 160bytes is the limit per packet
[22:01] <Nickolai> eroomde i've been fine, trying to get back into ballooning now, was hoping to get some eagle advice from the forum but looks like we've solved the problem we had
[22:01] <RG_LZ1DE1> if you dont want to break devices
[22:02] <Nickolai> i got together with this group of people here in NYC and we're working on a cubesat, starting with balloons to get some experience
[22:02] <oh7lzb> Mmmyeah, there was some device that you could DOS with a large enough packet?
[22:03] <RG_LZ1DE1> XYXYXYXYXYXYXYXYXYbertos/cpu/avr/drv/ser_avr.cXY:XYX6YX6YX3YX: YXAssertion faile
[22:03] <RG_LZ1DE1> this is what i got form one of the igates
[22:03] <oh7lzb> Other than that, 255 bytes minus APRS packet data encoding (user-defined packet type maybe) should be OK
[22:03] <RG_LZ1DE1> XYXY is the test data
[22:04] <Lunar_Lander> Nickolai, hope you are well :)
[22:04] <oh7lzb> You'll have to do some encoding to avoid some bytes which will be eaten:
[22:04] <oh7lzb> - NUL bytes (there are broken igates which use C string functions which terminate string at NUL)
[22:04] <RG_LZ1DE1> oh7lzb: im working on it ;)
[22:05] <oh7lzb> - DEL byte (eaten by some igate, I don't know which)
[22:05] <Nickolai> hey lunar, yea everything's well, just working on some cubesats now :)
[22:05] <oh7lzb> - Low bytes < 0x20 (well, 0 fits there too)
[22:05] <Nickolai> looks like i might have to get off shortly actually, but i hope to be on again in the coming weeks
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[22:06] <oh7lzb> High bytes are eaten by some igates too, but few... and not using them would take 1 whole bit from you
[22:07] <Lunar_Lander> Nickolai, cool!
[22:07] <oh7lzb> http://fifth.aprs.net:14501 - click on the + to see counters for different variants which the server has seen
[22:07] <oh7lzb> it drops duplicate packets which have been mangled by given methods
[22:08] <RG_LZ1DE1> thats one creepy cat picture right there
[22:08] <oh7lzb> Thank you.
[22:08] <RG_LZ1DE1> :D
[22:09] <RG_LZ1DE1> wow 43k
[22:11] <oh7lzb> Those don't count packets which have been mangled by an igate, but which were not *first* received by another non-broken igate.
[22:11] <oh7lzb> So it happens more than that.
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[22:19] <fsphil> meow
[22:19] <fsphil> so basically don't transmit binary
[22:20] <fsphil> that's a shame
[22:23] <eroomde> was that like a commandment?
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[22:24] <fsphil> the second APRS commandment
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[22:24] <eroomde> i like the idea that you appear with a meow
[22:24] <eroomde> and maybe a puff of smoke
[22:24] <eroomde> like tim the enchanter
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[22:25] <RG_LZ1DE1> careful he might scrach you
[22:26] Nick change: jolaw2 -> jolo2
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[22:26] <fsphil> very bunny
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[22:26] <eroomde> pumpkins age like humans
[22:26] <eroomde> http://i.imgur.com/UBMAn.jpg
[22:27] <oh7lzb> fsphil: Yeah, too much broken software out there
[22:29] <RG_LZ1DE1> unfortunately, not just aprs tncs
[22:29] <Laurenceb_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hJ8Wl3A-s4&feature=player_embedded
[22:29] <Laurenceb_> nuts
[22:31] <fsphil> ah well, just one more layer to add
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[22:34] <Laurenceb_> its like fail*7
[22:36] <eroomde> http://i.imgur.com/h1GZG.gif.jpg
[22:37] <RG_LZ1DE1> thats what i call bad day
[22:38] <Lunar_Lander> Daniel Powter - Bad Day
[22:38] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:38] <fsphil> Lunar_Lander: I don't hear any rtty in that video
[22:41] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:41] <Lunar_Lander> I can hear it faintly starting at 0:16
[22:42] <Lunar_Lander> it was the same as with Apex Alpha
[22:42] <Lunar_Lander> when it closed in, dl-fldigi got a better SNR and started decoding
[22:46] <fsphil> you where certainly close enough
[22:46] <eroomde> http://i.imgur.com/9HeNW.png.jpg
[22:48] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil, I am just trying my best with audacity
[22:49] <Laurenceb_> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/4kCqP.jpg
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[22:51] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:51] <Lunar_Lander> actually there has been a LEGO mindstorms HAB flight in Nevada
[22:54] <Lunar_Lander> can I actually load a audio file in dl-fldigi so that it can try to read it?
[22:59] <natrium42> interesting launches in US
[22:59] <natrium42> W9MOK-2 just crashed into the ground
[22:59] <natrium42> -17.9 m/s
[23:00] <fsphil> Lunar_Lander: yes but it has to be a particular sample rate and format
[23:00] <fsphil> ooch
[23:01] <fsphil> sounds like they lost both the balloon andthe chute
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[23:01] <natrium42> yes, or it tangled up badly
[23:03] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil, can you try to listen once more? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDCU877NmPg
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[23:04] <fsphil> already checked with fldigi Lunar_Lander, I don't see any rtty either
[23:04] <fsphil> there is a steady tone which might sound a bit like rtty
[23:04] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:05] <fsphil> it's *very* easy to hear rtty where there is none. I do it all the time
[23:05] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:05] <Lunar_Lander> when I feed this now into dl-fldigi there is one faint line
[23:05] <Lunar_Lander> but only one
[23:05] <fsphil> I'm sure the aircon unit here is doing morse code
[23:05] <Randomskk> HELPITRAPPEDINANAIRCONFACTORY
[23:06] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[23:13] <natrium42> fsphil: oh, it was their paper airplane
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[23:13] <natrium42> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/26/paper_aircraft_attempt/
[23:13] <natrium42> under callsign W9MOK-2
[23:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> gn all
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[23:15] <Lunar_Lander> I really wonder
[23:15] <Lunar_Lander> that flight in germany that sent off paper planes with Samsung SD cards
[23:16] <Lunar_Lander> if they really flew to the USA and India and so on
[23:19] <eroomde> i don't
[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> I mean the SD cards identified them
[23:21] <natrium42> eroomde: you mean it's plausible?!
[23:22] <Randomskk> I think he means he doesn't wonder.
[23:23] <natrium42> :)
[23:23] <natrium42> wasn't steve involved with that launch?
[23:23] <Lunar_Lander> it was in germany
[23:23] <Lunar_Lander> I don't really think so
[23:24] <natrium42> oh
[23:24] <Randomskk> hmm I think he was involved
[23:24] <Randomskk> with some of the bits of it
[23:24] <Randomskk> maybe
[23:25] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[23:25] <natrium42> whyyyyy
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[23:29] <Lunar_Lander> ?
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[23:35] <natrium42> eroomde: my new envelope is being made http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02393/saraceno-art_2393526k.jpg
[23:36] <Laurenceb_> that looks _slightly_ dangerous
[23:36] <Laurenceb_> "I killed it: fldigi quit working. It will not load."
[23:37] <Laurenceb_> orly
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