highaltitude.log.20121108

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[00:13] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[00:14] <mrShrimp> hiya
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[00:31] <fsphil> "... is renouned for a great qaulity ..." hehe
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[00:47] <Lunar_Lander> hello fsphil
[00:52] <natrium42> hello kevin
[00:59] <RG_lz1dev> http://i.imgur.com/TB23P.jpg
[00:59] <RG_lz1dev> if anyone is interested in a HAB wallpaper :P
[01:00] <natrium42> nice
[01:00] <natrium42> needs higher rez for retina :P
[01:01] <RG_lz1dev> refering to iphone's screen?
[01:01] <Darkside> this looks shopped
[01:01] <Darkside> i can tell from some of the pixels
[01:01] <Darkside> and seeing quite a few in my time
[01:02] <RG_lz1dev> pixels have taken their tow on you
[01:02] <SpeedEvil> replace the parachute with a stingray
[01:02] <natrium42> no, retina macbook pro
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[01:03] <natrium42> 2880x1800
[01:04] <RG_lz1dev> just enlarge it, there wont be much difference :)
[01:04] <natrium42> eww, no way
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[01:10] <mrShrimp> Nice pic
[01:10] <mrShrimp> The ISSS looks legit.
[01:10] <mrShrimp> *ISS*
[01:21] <RG_lz1dev> the best picture/rendering i found
[01:23] <mrShrimp> Did you use Autopano as well?
[01:25] <RG_lz1dev> yep
[01:26] <RG_lz1dev> couldn't get a tiny planet
[01:27] <RG_lz1dev> you could always make it a flat panorama, wrap into a planet and fix the glitches
[01:27] <SpeedEvil> or you cheat
[01:28] <SpeedEvil> wait a week, get a nexus 4
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[01:28] <SpeedEvil> trigger autopano mode
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[01:29] <RG_lz1dev> doesnt the iphone have that as well?
[01:30] <RG_lz1dev> not that you can do anythin with it
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[04:05] <arko> evening
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[05:06] <asldkjddd> Has anyone used https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9566 on a balloon?
[05:06] <Darkside> yep
[05:06] <Darkside> they works fine
[05:07] <Darkside> expensive though, cheaper to get a breakout from http://ava.upuaut.net/store
[05:07] <asldkjddd> Mine seems to have capped out at 40k ft
[05:07] <Darkside> then you didn't set it to altitude mdoe
[05:07] <Darkside> mode*
[05:08] <asldkjddd> Okay, that sounds nice. How do I do that? I don't do any configuration, I just fired it up and started logging
[05:08] <Darkside> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:ublox6
[05:08] <asldkjddd> oh, niec
[05:08] <asldkjddd> nice*
[05:09] <asldkjddd> I'll get started on reading that. I was hoping to not have to redo my hardware
[05:09] <asldkjddd> especially since I can't even get my GS407 to get a fix
[05:09] <Darkside> its just software
[05:09] <asldkjddd> Yeah, but if I couldn't get it working I was going to put in a different module
[05:11] <asldkjddd> Do you know what command that's actually setting? I'd like to look in U-Center at it
[05:12] <asldkjddd> Wish I'd found these resources last month
[05:12] <asldkjddd> Thanks
[05:12] <Darkside> its setting it to airborne mode
[05:13] <asldkjddd> Dynamic Platform Model to one of the aircraft settings in the NAV config section?
[05:13] <Darkside> yeah i think so
[05:14] <asldkjddd> You can see my altitude cap on the chart http://robotrising.org/2012/11/operation-stratosphere-launch-2/
[05:15] <Darkside> yep, you didn't have it in the right mode
[05:16] <Darkside> bah, APRS
[05:16] <Darkside> boring :P
[05:16] <Darkside> we only bother to fly APRS when we have need of backup telemetry
[05:16] <asldkjddd> heh
[05:16] <Darkside> but our primary is so reliably we often don't bother
[05:16] <asldkjddd> <- noob
[05:16] <asldkjddd> I'm making this all up as I go
[05:17] <Darkside> http://projecthorus.org/?page_id=1470
[05:17] <Darkside> we've been doing it for a while :P
[05:18] <asldkjddd> I'm about done doing it
[05:18] <asldkjddd> If all goes well, my next launch in two days will be my last (for awhile, if not forever)
[05:19] <asldkjddd> I like this polling method
[05:19] <asldkjddd> much more convenient than constantly feeding TinyGPS
[05:19] <Darkside> yep
[05:19] <Darkside> works very well
[05:19] <Darkside> poll it only when you need to
[05:19] <Darkside> you'll need the modified version of tinygps to parse it
[05:19] <Darkside> but i thinkt hats on the page too
[05:20] <asldkjddd> The question is, do I want to make major changes to my code before launch with very little time to make corrections
[05:20] <Darkside> keep a separate codebase
[05:20] <asldkjddd> My answer is mostly no, I don't. :)
[05:20] <Darkside> if you can't get it workign in time, then don't use it
[05:20] <Darkside> and go back to the old code
[05:20] <asldkjddd> Yeah, but I have other stuff to do in preparation
[05:20] <asldkjddd> I'm long on tasks, short on time, and short on help
[05:21] <asldkjddd> And my GS407 is garbage, apparently
[05:21] <asldkjddd> 5 satellites visible, still no lock after over an hour
[05:21] <Darkside> what are you doing with the vbatt line?
[05:21] <Darkside> i remember having issues if that wasn't either tied to VCC or to ground
[05:22] <Darkside> if it was floating i'd never get lock
[05:22] <asldkjddd> Nothing? I'm using the basic adapter. It just has 4 pins.
[05:22] <Darkside> oh
[05:22] <asldkjddd> You've probably saved the day, though. I'll stop pursuing the GS407 and get this code going
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[07:05] <mrShrimp> I like the projecthorus.org wp theme Darkside
[07:05] <mrShrimp> Did it cost anything?
[07:05] <NigelMoby> I like goats
[07:05] <mrShrimp> 0_o
[07:06] <NigelMoby> zzzZzzZzz
[07:07] <mrShrimp> Why does the time difference have to be so large from the U.S. to U.K.? -_-
[07:10] <NigelMoby> geography :/
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[07:47] <eroomde> mornen
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[07:55] <costyn> hiya
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[07:57] <eroomde> morning costyn
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[09:58] <griffonbot> Received email: chris hillcox "[UKHAS] TweetsinSpace launch announcement"
[09:59] <Darkside> but
[09:59] <Darkside> its not
[09:59] <Darkside> SPACE
[09:59] <Darkside> urgh
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[10:01] <costyn> must. contain. rage.
[10:01] <costyn> ;)
[10:02] <daveake> The news tonight: "Various HABbers around Europe explode for no apparent reason"
[10:03] <Darkside> and in australia
[10:04] <costyn> The experiment will also display a number of tweets from the public when it reaches the edge of space via a screen attached to the balloon, making them the highest tweets ever sent in Ireland.
[10:04] <costyn> this is also rage inducing, as a twitter hater
[10:04] <Darkside> oh dear
[10:05] <costyn> the boyle thing with the balloon has some merit, but twitter... <puke>
[10:05] <RG_lz1dev> all this begs the question
[10:06] <RG_lz1dev> if you tweet in space and nobody is there to retweet, did it actually happen
[10:06] <costyn> RG_lz1dev: hahaha
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[10:09] <costyn> another term that pisses me off is 'edge of space'. there is no edge to space, because it is (likely) infinite, at least in our 3 dimensions, and you certainly aren't going to the edge of the universe, were it to exist, with a latex balloon
[10:10] <RG_lz1dev> sounds better than, earth space border
[10:10] <jonsowman> it's a marketing term
[10:10] <jonsowman> it has no semantic value whatsoever
[10:13] <costyn> RG_lz1dev: why can't they say edge of our atmosphere?
[10:14] <RG_lz1dev> it not cool
[10:14] <zyp> if we are arguing semantics, I find it dumb that «space» starts at some distance from earth, to me it has always been obvious that earth is situated _in_ space, so we are all living in space already
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[10:15] <SamSilver> good point zyp
[10:15] <RG_lz1dev> if everything is in space, then space is useless as term
[10:15] <Randomskk> I think people generally mean "space" as a shortening of "outer space"
[10:16] <Randomskk> which is by definition anything beyond the karman line (100km altitude)
[10:16] <Randomskk> and so the "edge of space" is "near the karman line, presumably on the Earth side"
[10:16] <Randomskk> and still makes sense as a thing to say
[10:16] <Randomskk> whether 30km is actually 'near' 100km is perhaps more dubious
[10:17] <UpuWork> nearer
[10:17] <Randomskk> but it's certainly near-zero atmosphere and you can see the curvature of the earth and so forth
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[10:17] <Randomskk> it sure looks like space
[10:17] <costyn> Randomskk: I'm not sure I agree with your assertion that the "edge of space" is "near the karman line, presumably on the Earth side"
[10:17] <RG_lz1dev> in terms of pressure, 30km and 100km are 'very' close
[10:17] <costyn> Randomskk: but got to agree with your other points
[10:17] <Randomskk> costyn: before that point, you are "not in outer space"
[10:17] <Randomskk> if you agree with the definition
[10:17] <Randomskk> and after that point you are in outer space
[10:18] <Randomskk> so near that point you are nearly in outer space
[10:18] <RG_lz1dev> before that point?
[10:18] <Randomskk> giving "near [outer] space" the semantics "close to the karman line"
[10:21] <zyp> what about «similar environment to the one found in outer space»?
[10:23] <zyp> i.e. close to the karman line in environment, not in altitude
[10:24] <x-f> more similar to Mars than outer space
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[10:30] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "Re: [UKHAS] Launch Announcement - Friday 9th November from Brightwalton"
[10:32] <costyn> UpuWork: SPAVA is so cute. It's like a tiny little satellite
[10:32] <costyn> Randomskk: I guess I need to read up on the official definitions of the 'space' terms.
[10:32] <UpuWork> should have called it AVANIK
[10:34] <costyn> Randomskk: I always thought space began at 100km. that's why (in my opinion) edge of space would be nonsensical.
[10:34] <costyn> UpuWork: :)
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[10:54] <NavracWork> ping upuwork
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[10:58] <UpuWork> hi navrac
[11:01] <RG_lz1dev> http://i.imgur.com/TB23P.jpg
[11:02] <UpuWork> yes I saw that
[11:02] <Randomskk> hahaha
[11:02] <Randomskk> that's how it works
[11:02] <Randomskk> where was that from?
[11:02] <Randomskk> I like how the tweets in space website shows an altitude scale
[11:02] <Randomskk> with the balloon sitting between 100 and 400km or whatever
[11:02] <UpuWork> I concur with others in that I'm detecting a very subtle photoshop job
[11:02] <RG_lz1dev> made it yesterday
[11:02] <UpuWork> whats the link Randomskk ?
[11:03] <costyn> RG_lz1dev: hehe interesting :)
[11:03] <Randomskk> http://www.talktoeu.ie/tweetsinspace/
[11:03] <RG_lz1dev> you are neatpickign
[11:03] <costyn> Randomskk: at least they got the atmosphere part names correct right?
[11:03] <RG_lz1dev> nitpicking*
[11:03] <costyn> stratosphere and sonosphere?
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[11:04] <NavracWork> oh sorry upu - customers keep phoning everytime i ping you
[11:04] <UpuWork> yeah its ok
[11:04] <UpuWork> busy here too
[11:05] <NavracWork> i dont want to distract you from spava!
[11:05] <UpuWork> and one of my engineers has just crashed our van
[11:05] <UpuWork> yay
[11:05] <hibby> costyn: you know, the irish music festival
[11:05] <NavracWork> oh great
[11:06] <NavracWork> Ive had 3 customers whose servers have died this morning and suddenly its my problem - I dont install or maintain them - just put our software on them, but they still phone and tell me their servers dead and what am I going to do about it
[11:07] <NavracWork> anyway
[11:07] <costyn> NavracWork: sounds familiar
[11:07] <hibby> costyn: also, it should be mesosphere then thermosphere at those heights
[11:07] <costyn> NavracWork: sucks to be you
[11:07] <hibby> but yeah.
[11:07] <costyn> hibby: ok, so they got that wrong too
[11:07] <daveake> It does. I once dialled in to a customer's PC to update my software, and he asked me to fix his keyboard while I was on ...
[11:08] <UpuWork> its ok I had a (potential) customer call me this morning asking if they could just upgrade Exchange 2000 on their 11 year old server to 2010
[11:08] <hibby> technically it's troposphere <20km and stratosphere 20 - 50km, too, but yah.
[11:08] <RG_lz1dev> what did you tell him ? :)
[11:08] <UpuWork> "no"
[11:08] <UpuWork> all his domain controllers are 2000 as well
[11:08] <UpuWork> "but my software only works on 2000"
[11:09] <costyn> UpuWork: haha fail :)
[11:09] <UpuWork> I have more issues with crappy 3rd party s/w vendors who never update their software than anything else
[11:09] <NavracWork> the other one this morning was 'we have several virtual 2008 servers running terminal services and talking to a virtual fileserver - the virtual terminal servers wont talk to the file server - so it must be your softwares fault'. Like how is it my fault, ask the person who sold you the systems FFS
[11:10] <NavracWork> shh upu - it might be me they are talking about!
[11:10] <UpuWork> oh and his final comment was "I may try the cloud"
[11:10] <RG_lz1dev> haha
[11:10] <costyn> UpuWork: haven't you heard? the cloud is where it's at these days! ;)
[11:10] <UpuWork> I politely pointed no amount of marketing bullshit would fix his issues
[11:11] <NavracWork> ughh - thats another one - AW
[11:12] <NavracWork> S - where they allow incompetent idiots to buy space and then come to us when things dont work as they generally have no idea what they are doing and think its a cheap alternative and dont want to pay someone who knows what they are doing to set it up
[11:12] <hibby> I had a customer contact tell me I was too junior an engineer (!) to tell him he was wrong yesterday... So I emailed his boss, CC'd him in and explained in great detail, with technical sources and references to their spec to us, why he was entirely wrong and making things up to sound intelligent and important. Got a thankful response response from his boss, they're now investigating it more fully. Seems like he was feeing wrong information to his hig
[11:16] <SpeedEvil> to his big
[11:16] <SpeedEvil> line cut off
[11:16] <SpeedEvil> oh, right
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[11:50] <RG_lz1dev> whos holding the record for altitude in the uk ?
[11:50] <RG_lz1dev> (for habing)
[11:51] <UpuWork> Mick Cain, world record too
[11:51] <UpuWork> in fact I think the top 7 are UK launches in the world
[11:51] <RG_lz1dev> whats the number?
[11:52] <UpuWork> see www.arhab.org
[11:53] <UpuWork> click records -> altitude -> higest
[11:53] <RG_lz1dev> 44,376.00 m
[11:53] <RG_lz1dev> 145,590.60 ftBello Mondo
[11:53] <RG_lz1dev> wow
[11:53] <RG_lz1dev> thats pretty high :D
[11:53] <RG_lz1dev> thank UpuWork
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[14:20] <nosebleedkt> just called me from customs department from borders to tell me that i have to pay another 150euro as a tax!
[14:20] <nosebleedkt> WTF !
[14:21] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[14:21] <nosebleedkt> i've done multiple sparkfun orders and that's the 1st time they ask money ! and that much !
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[14:24] <UpuWork> ouch
[14:24] <nosebleedkt> i remember there is a guy from sparkfun
[14:24] <nosebleedkt> that flies habs too
[14:24] <nosebleedkt> and comes here on IRC
[14:25] <nosebleedkt> anyone remembers his name?
[14:25] <nosebleedkt> I need to talk to him
[14:25] <Randomskk> stilldavid. though I don't imagine he'll be able to help you
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[14:25] <nosebleedkt> thanks Randomskk. why? he is not working there anymore?
[14:25] <Randomskk> because it's nothing to do with sparkfun
[14:25] <Randomskk> you need someone who works in your country's customs department
[14:26] <nosebleedkt> yes maybe the can send it back with another mail service.
[14:26] <nosebleedkt> i think it has to do with UPS
[14:26] <UpuWork> oh you used UPS
[14:26] <Randomskk> if you wanted that I'd email their customer support address
[14:26] <UpuWork> game over
[14:26] <UpuWork> how much stuff did you order to get 150euro ?
[14:26] <nosebleedkt> Randomskk, I mailed them already. But i want some interactive chat.
[14:26] <nosebleedkt> around 250e
[14:26] <UpuWork> sound wrong
[14:27] <UpuWork> who is the invoice from ?
[14:27] <UpuWork> get all your invoices together and call them as it sounds excessive
[14:27] <UpuWork> anyway afk
[14:28] <nosebleedkt> http://wwwapps.ups.com/etracking/tracking.cgi?TypeOfInquiryNumber=T&InquiryNumber1=1Z44YV556713122543
[14:28] <nosebleedkt> thats the tracking
[14:28] <costyn> nosebleedkt: I've had this happen as well. customs are real assholes
[14:29] <nosebleedkt> that never happened to me again from sparkfun. never.
[14:29] <costyn> nosebleedkt: I used to order a lot of stuff from amazon.com... never any problem, then BAM 50% surcharge for stuff
[14:29] <nosebleedkt> i dont know why
[14:29] <costyn> no, for some reason thy only check some packages it seems
[14:29] <costyn> but that's why I've resorted to only ordering from Europe
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[14:33] <nosebleedkt> and they told me everyday they keep it there, they add an extra cost
[14:33] <nosebleedkt> HAHA !
[14:35] <costyn> well that sucks a lot
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[14:36] <nosebleedkt> man i just wanna kill some politician NOW
[14:42] <fsphil> a server somewhere just added a new record to a table... :)
[14:46] <RG_lz1dev> a table was replicated to many servers all around the world
[14:46] <RG_lz1dev> thanks to redundancy
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[14:56] <nosebleedkt> poooooooooooo
[14:56] <nosebleedkt> i cant relax now
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[14:58] <nosebleedkt> and last night the republic voted for the new laws
[14:59] <nosebleedkt> basic salary falls down to 580euro
[14:59] <nosebleedkt> FUN !
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[15:19] <Upu> yes I'm here mrShrimp
[15:21] <mrShrimp> oh hi!
[15:21] <Upu> hello
[15:21] <mrShrimp> I have a question about your tutorial
[15:22] <Upu> which one ?
[15:22] <mrShrimp> linking ntx2 with arduino, and setting up SDR#
[15:22] <Upu> ok
[15:23] <mrShrimp> I set everything up
[15:23] <mrShrimp> but I have been unable to decode the test signal
[15:23] <Upu> ok
[15:23] <mrShrimp> I tried using the VAcard program
[15:23] <Upu> did you do the high and low bit ?
[15:23] <mrShrimp> no :p
[15:23] <Upu> glad I wrote it :/
[15:24] <mrShrimp> oh
[15:24] <Upu> its in 2 secotions
[15:24] <mrShrimp> oh wait, I thought you meant something else
[15:24] <Upu> sections
[15:24] <mrShrimp> I did do the high and low
[15:24] <mrShrimp> the blink script
[15:24] <Upu> the first ascertains if the circuit is working
[15:24] <Upu> and the distance between the 2 is right
[15:24] <mrShrimp> how far must they be at minimum?
[15:24] <Upu> ok if that works
[15:25] <Upu> well at least 300 hz between them
[15:25] <Upu> got it set up now ?
[15:25] <mrShrimp> no unfortunately
[15:25] <mrShrimp> I have to leave in 10 minutes or so
[15:25] <Upu> oh ok could be hard to debug
[15:25] <mrShrimp> well I have a few problems that I have noticed already
[15:25] <Upu> get it set up and then try press the RV button, check the baud rate and settings etc
[15:25] <Upu> back in 2
[15:26] <mrShrimp> ok
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[15:29] <mrShrimp> It is receiving now
[15:29] <Upu> decoding ?
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[15:30] <mrShrimp> I haven't plugged in the transmitter yet, but the dl-fldigi screen shows a 70ish percent fill (random of course) of interference
[15:30] <mrShrimp> is that normal?
[15:30] <mrShrimp> it is all dark blue
[15:30] <Upu> thats ok
[15:30] <Upu> turn it on
[15:30] <mrShrimp> ok
[15:31] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[15:31] <mrShrimp> it is now transmitting rtty
[15:31] <Upu> is it decoding ?
[15:31] <mrShrimp> no
[15:31] <Upu> do you mind sharing your desktop so I can see it ? www.join.me.com
[15:31] <mrShrimp> when I put the frequency of SDR#
[15:31] <Upu> err
[15:31] <Upu> www.join.me
[15:31] <mrShrimp> k
[15:33] <mrShrimp> get it?
[15:33] <Upu> yeah 1 sec
[15:34] <Upu> ok firstly switch SDR# to USB
[15:34] <Upu> no
[15:34] <Upu> sorry
[15:34] <Upu> under Radio
[15:34] <Upu> WFM -> USB
[15:34] <Upu> upper side band
[15:34] <mrShrimp> k
[15:35] <Upu> no
[15:36] <Upu> ok turn the payload off a moment
[15:36] <Upu> ok hang on
[15:36] <Upu> no thats ok 1 sec
[15:36] <Upu> lol ok no probs turn it back on
[15:37] <Upu> that was fine sorry my bad there is a bit of a delay
[15:37] <Upu> ta da
[15:38] <mrShrimp> :D
[15:38] <Upu> the shift is slightly out
[15:38] <mrShrimp> that makes sense
[15:38] <Upu> the receiver whether it be an SDR or a real radio has to be in the right mode
[15:38] <Upu> which in this case is upper side band
[15:38] <mrShrimp> so
[15:38] <mrShrimp> should I switch the mode?
[15:39] <mrShrimp> to wfm?
[15:39] <Upu> no
[15:39] <mrShrimp> ok
[15:39] <Upu> you are transmitting in upper side band (USB)
[15:39] <Upu> not in wide FM
[15:39] <Upu> Wide FM is used for commercial radio stations
[15:39] <mrShrimp> ok
[15:39] <mrShrimp> well thanks a bunch!
[15:40] <Upu> most welcome
[15:40] <mrShrimp> I have to go now, but it looks like it is working great!
[15:40] <Upu> have fun
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[16:39] <Laurenceb> http://www.silabs.com/products/sensors/humidity-sensors/Pages/Si7005.aspx?mkt_tok=3RkMMJWWfF9wsRoiuK3PZKXonjHpfsX56OwsUKC0lMI/0ER3fOvrPUfGjI4ASMVnI/qLAzICFpZo2FFLE%2ByUfpM%3D
[16:40] <SpeedEvil> neat
[16:40] <SpeedEvil> price?
[16:40] <Laurenceb> dunno
[16:40] <Laurenceb> landed in my inbox
[16:41] <SpeedEvil> ah
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[16:46] <Laurenceb> http://uk.farnell.com/bak/lp-503759-is-3/battery-lithium-pol-3-7v-1300-mah/dp/2077882
[16:47] <Randomskk> "Battery Terminals: Connector"
[16:48] <Laurenceb> JST im guessing
[16:49] <Randomskk> looks way expensive and a bit annoying
[16:49] <Randomskk> sparkfun have cheaper nicer ones
[16:49] <Randomskk> addmitedly only two terminal
[16:54] <Laurenceb> yeah but this is on farnell
[16:54] <Laurenceb> so can be grabbed with farnell orders
[16:55] <Upu> http://dx.com/p/3-7v-680mah-20c-lithium-polymer-battery-for-r-c-helicopter-silver-122563?item=7
[16:57] <nosebleedkt> cmon stilldavid cmon :D you can do it !
[16:57] <stilldavid> workin' on it :)
[16:58] <Upu> love deal extreme
[16:58] <Upu> 3000mAh ( Actual 800) http://dx.com/p/rechargeable-1-2v-3000mah-aa-battery-actual-800mah-2-piece-pack-67541?item=168
[16:58] <fsphil> actual?
[16:58] <fsphil> where does the 3000 come from then?
[16:58] <Upu> manufacturers claim
[16:58] <fsphil> lol
[16:59] <Upu> http://dx.com/p/bty-rechargeable-1-2v-3000mah-ni-mh-aa-batteries-4-piece-pack-91885?item=209 actual 700
[17:00] <x-f> at least they're honest if you have enough attention
[17:03] <nosebleedkt> .
[17:03] <NavracWork> all ok for tomorrow upu? pava looking good?
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[17:06] <Upu> think so
[17:06] <Upu> I took it out in the sun today and it didn't come on but it was weak sun
[17:06] <NavracWork> right I'll get the tools out and replace one of the mast sections with a longer one
[17:06] <Upu> if it works it works, if not its 40g of ballast
[17:07] <NavracWork> make sure I dont miss it
[17:07] <Upu> thx
[17:07] <Upu> afk
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[20:23] <stilldavid> http://www.byonics.com/pages/mt-rtg.php
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[20:24] <stilldavid> any idea what frequency agile radio they're using in that module?
[20:24] <stilldavid> that's only $150...
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[20:31] <number10> jcoxon: thanks for the qsl card
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[20:33] <mattbrejza> stilldavid: D2006TX
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[20:33] <mattbrejza> also that is such a bad pcb layout
[20:34] <stilldavid> mattbrejza: thanks! I'd like to make my own if possible
[20:34] <stilldavid> I couldn't find a suitable radiometrix module
[20:34] <mattbrejza> adf7021 is something others are using here for 2m
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[20:35] <mattbrejza> ok that board in the data sheet is probably before copper fill
[20:37] <Dan-K2VOL1> hey natrium42!
[20:37] <Dan-K2VOL1> hey stilldavid
[20:37] <Dan-K2VOL1> nice to see you round
[20:37] <stilldavid> hey Dan-K2VOL1
[20:38] <stilldavid> thinking again about that ZP envelope I've got..
[20:38] <Dan-K2VOL1> nice, I've been working on the iridium tracker shield just this week :-)
[20:38] <stilldavid> Mark said it has a long shelf life, so I'd like to get it out this season
[20:38] <Dan-K2VOL1> ha yeah, pretty much infinite shelf life, probably 10 years or more
[20:39] <Dan-K2VOL1> it's way too thick
[20:39] <Dan-K2VOL1> it's like a construction tarp meant for hurricanes
[20:39] <Dan-K2VOL1> but it does fly
[20:39] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[20:39] <stilldavid> quote of the day, right there :)
[20:40] <Dan-K2VOL1> I wished I had some superpressure balloons ready to launch into Sandy
[20:41] <stilldavid> Dan-K2VOL1: is that what you're working on these days?
[20:41] <Dan-K2VOL1> that's been the recent weatherman's dream flight, having a superpressure get trapped in the eye
[20:41] <stilldavid> oh, man. the photos...
[20:41] <Dan-K2VOL1> yes, been doing a lot of research on those for clients, I'm now being paid now and then to help companies design long duration systems
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[20:43] <SpeedEvil> 1mm of aluminium, and a 500m diameter encelope
[20:45] <Dan-K2VOL1> lol sounds like a titanic balloon
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[20:45] <Dan-K2VOL1> I think we need to launch a cubesat that fabricates perfect spherical plastic balloons in orbit and drops them in from above
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[20:50] <KF7FER> stilldavid: Are they really selling a transmit-only APRS Tracker that uses 30watts?
[20:50] <Dan-K2VOL1> wtf that must use a car battery
[20:50] <stilldavid> KF7FER: wait, what?
[20:50] <KF7FER> the MT-RTG-30 you (sorta) linked too a bit ago
[20:51] <stilldavid> I think it's 300mW, not sure though
[20:51] <KF7FER> even at 10 watts that's not a good thing to do
[20:51] <stilldavid> yeah, they have an 8W version as well, I know
[20:51] <Dan-K2VOL1> oh I never get tired of my TTS mis-reading mW as mega-watts to me
[20:51] <Dan-K2VOL1> in this chatroom
[20:51] <stilldavid> I flew a 300mW tracker a couple weeks ago and hit igates many hundreds of miles away
[20:52] <stilldavid> Dan-K2VOL1: it's a 1.21GW transmitter....
[20:52] <KF7FER> well on http://www.byonics.com/pages/mt-rtg.php they specifically say 30 watts
[20:52] <Dan-K2VOL1> lol
[20:52] <KF7FER> yeah, the HX1. I've flown that myself
[20:52] <stilldavid> KF7FER: dang, right you are.
[20:52] <Dan-K2VOL1> why the only thing you could use to power that is a bolt of lighting!
[20:52] <stilldavid> what ... 30 _watts_? is there even a terrestrial use case? automobile tracking or something?
[20:52] <Dan-K2VOL1> Burger warming
[20:53] <KF7FER> I suppose. I set my Kenwood D710 to 25 watts for APRS
[20:53] <Dan-K2VOL1> The first time I sat down to use a kilowatt HF amplifier I got an RF burn from my glasses
[20:54] <KF7FER> brb
[20:55] <Dan-K2VOL1> Needless to say it was feeding a mismatched longwire antenna
[20:55] <stilldavid> Dan-K2VOL1: we seriously need to get beers IRL sometime
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[20:55] <Dan-K2VOL1> definitely stilldavid
[20:55] <Dan-K2VOL1> I'm in NYC for the next month at least if you come through here any
[20:56] <stilldavid> headed to the other coast next :\
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[21:30] <nigelvh> It's the life cycle of a choppyhorse. First there came a choppyhorse. Soon, he was a choppedhorse. Then the choppyhorse was gone...
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[21:35] <daveake> Worry if he logs in as "glue"
[21:36] <nigelvh> Give him time.
[21:38] <nigelvh> In any case, how are things in that time zone daveake? I've seen lots of launch announcements lately.
[21:38] <daveake> Getting ready for tomorrow's launch
[21:39] <nigelvh> What are you launching again? Anything fancy?
[21:39] <daveake> Pi with image download
[21:40] <nigelvh> Fancy indeed
[21:40] <daveake> And Upu's got a solar payload to test
[21:40] <nigelvh> I recall seeing that one.
[21:40] <nigelvh> Going to be interesting to see when it does/doesn't transmit.
[21:40] <daveake> yep
[21:42] <nigelvh> We've done some solar cells in the past, but just as a what can we get from these, and still ran on batteries.
[21:43] <navrac> I found a bit of extra aluminium tube 10' long so attempted to put that in my aluminium mast to get a bit more range tomorrow - only to realise I cant then reach up to extend the top half of the pole.
[21:43] <nigelvh> Ah the problems of the short people.
[21:44] <navrac> the mast is on the top of a set of stairs so I'd need a stool - I'm not that short
[21:44] <navrac> but standing on a stool on top of a set of stairs in the dark didnt seem like a good idea
[21:45] <nigelvh> Or some stilts. (I can't reach 10' high either. Though I could probably jump high enough.)
[21:45] <navrac> so i climbed up the roof instead
[21:45] <navrac> to discover the feeder was now 2 feet short and the guys dont reach the ground
[21:46] <nigelvh> Damn coax. Always gotta mess with ya.
[21:46] <DrLuke> http://i.imgur.com/BRp4V.jpg
[21:46] <DrLuke> time to have fun
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[21:46] <navrac> well im using a funcube so i extended the usb
[21:46] <nigelvh> There you go. That's how the pros do it.
[21:47] <navrac> I'm looking for a bigger colinear
[21:47] <nigelvh> In any case, I'm fairly certain a thousand foot pole wouldn't get me into range of your guy's flights.
[21:48] <navrac> well you could always fly a receiver under a balloon
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[21:49] <nigelvh> From xKm away, you guys running 10mW, i'm sure that would work great!
[21:50] <navrac> I find even at large ranges - as soon as i get LOS I have a strong signal with loads of db's to spare
[21:50] <navrac> how far is xkm?
[21:51] <nigelvh> 7723 Km
[21:51] <nigelvh> To london.
[21:51] <nigelvh> If you're elsewhere +/- a bit.
[21:51] <navrac> ok, thats a bit of a stretch, but its only 2x whats possible
[21:51] <Randomskk> what
[21:52] <Randomskk> bit more than 2x
[21:52] <navrac> 12x whats possible with los - so you would need a really big string but i reckon it would be possible
[21:52] <navrac> yep missed the 1 on the first attempt
[21:52] <Randomskk> aha
[21:52] <Randomskk> yes that makes more sense :P
[21:53] <nigelvh> Yeah, a tad bit too far.
[21:53] <nigelvh> Jerk continents all being separated by oceans and whatnot.
[21:53] <navrac> I reckon I have probably 15db above the noise floor when the balloon comes above los and the frssnel zone
[21:54] <navrac> so thats got to be worth several thousand K of path loss
[21:54] <nigelvh> I'm sure it evens out.
[21:54] <nigelvh> Just need a really big Yagi.
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[21:55] <navrac> mounted on a balloon at 80km high?
[21:55] <nigelvh> Yep. Totally plausible
[21:56] <navrac> well i'll expect to see your station on the tracker tomorrow then :-)
[21:56] <nigelvh> I can track *something*
[21:56] <nigelvh> May not be your balloons.
[21:57] <nigelvh> Also, would need to install that dl-fldigi business
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[21:58] <navrac> oh well I'll let you off then :-)
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[21:58] <nigelvh> Ah well, maybe one of these days I'll visit your country and see one of your flights.
[21:59] <navrac> mine are dull - they float off and never come back
[21:59] <nigelvh> There are always interesting aspects.
[21:59] <nigelvh> Otherwise we wouldn't do them.
[22:00] <navrac> true - i guess i just like the challenge of doing something different each time
[22:00] <SpeedEvil> if doing fiddly stuff outside: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261120461476
[22:00] <SpeedEvil> highly recommended
[22:00] <navrac> but i do enjoy following other peoples recoveries on the tracker and on irc
[22:01] <navrac> I got given a pair of electrically heated gloves for xmas
[22:01] <SpeedEvil> ordered one day, got the next. stops hands freezing
[22:02] <navrac> as soon as the parents who gave me them had gone they were unsewed, the heated cloth wrapped around a crystal
[22:02] <SpeedEvil> they make ordinary leather working gloves way warmer
[22:02] <SpeedEvil> :-)
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[22:03] <navrac> I'd be worried about admitting to buying 'silk gloves'..
[22:04] <SpeedEvil> meh
[22:04] <SpeedEvil> spider composite nanofibre.
[22:04] <Randomskk> haha
[22:04] <SpeedEvil> silkworm, even
[22:04] <navrac> oh thats ok - thats hi tech
[22:05] <navrac> as long as you arent buying synthetic lubricant at the same time
[22:05] <SpeedEvil> they work great for typing when it's chilly too :-)
[22:05] <SpeedEvil> they are not smooth
[22:06] <SpeedEvil> actually moderately rough.
[22:07] <SpeedEvil> but excellent for stuff like tying knots in string in the cold without your fingers freezing off.
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[22:09] <navrac> hmm free delivery - tempting
[22:10] <SpeedEvil> I was astonished to get them next day
[22:10] <Randomskk> are they thin enough for using capacitive touch screens?
[22:11] <SpeedEvil> these ones are not
[22:11] <SpeedEvil> the ones I had earlier were
[22:12] <SpeedEvil> well, yes. but you need to use the pad of your finger
[22:12] <SpeedEvil> not the tip
[22:12] <Randomskk> fair enough
[22:15] <SpeedEvil> however, I do have a screen protector
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[22:22] <jcoxon> evening all
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[22:24] <SpeedEvil> 'g
[22:24] <navrac> hiya
[22:25] Action: jcoxon is going to finally complete his antenna setup
[22:26] <navrac> in the dark?
[22:27] <jcoxon> no tomorrow morning
[22:27] <jcoxon> just got to get the co-ax in
[22:28] <navrac> leave a few feet extra
[22:28] <navrac> for when you decide you just need a few more feet
[22:28] <navrac> on the mast height
[22:29] <jcoxon> hehe
[22:29] <jcoxon> will do
[22:30] <navrac> i decided tonight to raise my mast by another 5-6 feet and discovered the feeder was just a little too short
[22:30] <jcoxon> my setup is much better for the south
[22:30] <jcoxon> which isn't great for balloons in the UK
[22:31] <navrac> mine sufferd to the east so I needed more height to clear the chimney
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[22:31] <navrac> at least I can get the cambridge 70cm repeater clearly now
[22:32] <navrac> are you putting a colinear on the chimney
[22:32] <jcoxon> its not on the chimeny
[22:32] <navrac> off the side of the house?
[22:32] <jcoxon> yeah
[22:33] <jcoxon> but above the roof line
[22:33] <jcoxon> so its got a bit of height
[22:33] <navrac> then mount it on a long pole so you can slide it up when you decide you need more height
[22:33] <jcoxon> well i'll see how it is tomorrow
[22:33] <jcoxon> as i'm at home
[22:34] <jcoxon> its view is from 10deg to about 120deg
[22:34] <navrac> well theres the launch tommorrow to give it a good test with
[22:34] <jcoxon> its also its the second worst colinear
[22:34] <jcoxon> hehe rather than the worse
[22:35] <navrac> second worst?
[22:36] <jcoxon> its a Watson W-50
[22:36] <navrac> ah
[22:36] <jcoxon> rather than a Watson W-30
[22:37] <navrac> I cant remember which one i bought in the end a w30 or w50
[22:37] <jcoxon> is it 1.8m or 1.15m tall?
[22:38] <navrac> 1.8 at a guess - certainly more than 1.15
[22:39] <jcoxon> cool
[22:39] <jcoxon> i actually went to a shop to buy it
[22:39] <jcoxon> a little scary
[22:39] <navrac> thats were people went before the internet isnt it?
[22:39] <jcoxon> yeah
[22:39] <jcoxon> they had some cool stuff
[22:39] <jcoxon> but its quite intimedating
[22:40] <navrac> ham shops are somewhat intimidating, they allways have some receiver at 3,000 when you only want to spend a few hundred
[22:40] <navrac> somehow you feel inadequate and that thry think you arent serious if you arent spending a fortune
[22:41] <Randomskk> always that feeling of inadequacy
[22:41] <Randomskk> also they keep asking my callsign
[22:41] <Randomskk> then ask why they haven't heard me on the local repeater
[22:41] <navrac> or only buying a 13 element yagi when theyve got a 22 element thats 'better value for money'
[22:41] <Randomskk> they are especially dismayed to hear I have a full license but never chat
[22:42] <jcoxon> hehe
[22:42] <navrac> I just say I'm a pirate - im the one that comes on and swears...
[22:43] <navrac> I have to confess back in the early 80's I used to work with a false callsign - no one noticed
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[22:44] <jcoxon> navrac ssshhh
[22:44] <navrac> I know, I'm thinking of doing it properly soon.
[22:45] <navrac> I just find the concept of going to a club to demonstrate I can solder a few bits together to make a simple circuit a bit irritating
[22:46] <jcoxon> i got my foundation and left it at that
[22:46] <jcoxon> nothing i have can do more then 5W
[22:46] <navrac> well 10w erp is fine by me
[22:47] <jcoxon> also i like my callsign
[22:47] <navrac> well with your colinear it takes you above your 10w erp limit
[22:47] <Randomskk> yea but coax losses
[22:47] <navrac> yes - you can choose your own now - very odd
[22:47] <navrac> coax losses - wet string?
[22:47] <Randomskk> funnily enough my coax always seems to lose just enough to get me to full legal power
[22:47] <navrac> I've got a stock of lmr400 so i cant claim that
[22:48] <Randomskk> this would have been a few metres of westflex 103 on a kilowatt amp, say
[22:48] <Randomskk> hypothetically, idk
[22:48] <navrac> well you could say you only had 75ohm tv feeder so you are loosing through missmatch
[22:48] <Randomskk> at 80m, let's say, very high losses there
[22:49] <navrac> well if you claim theres a swr mismatch at the aerial you canmultiply the losses up due to the reflections being attenuated
[22:49] <Randomskk> :P
[22:50] <jcoxon> pah i'm not going to talk to anyone
[22:50] <jcoxon> never do
[22:50] <navrac> i used to - but ioccasionally listen to the 70cm and 2m repeaters and it s always the same, im on a traffic jam on the a12....
[22:51] <navrac> or I've got a new mic how does it sound.
[22:53] <LazyLeopard> jcoxon: Driver for me was the possibility of operating outside UK...
[22:54] <jcoxon> yes that is true
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[22:56] <navrac> night all, see you tomorrow
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[23:00] <jcoxon> i think if i worked abroad i'd do one of those accelerated courses to get my full licence
[23:00] <jcoxon> bbl
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[23:39] <Lunar_Lander> evening
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