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[04:48] <arko> helloooo
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[05:10] <arko> still unable to get weather data :.
[05:10] <arko> :(
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[06:58] <arko> this error familiar to anyone?
[06:58] <arko> [23:42:51] <arko> i just need to get this server facing the public soon
[06:58] <arko> derp
[07:00] <arko> httplib2.ServerNotFoundError: Unable to find the server nomads.ncep.noaa.gov
[07:00] <arko> that error
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[07:57] <x-f> good morning
[07:58] <x-f> arko, following the instrucions DanielRichman gave to you yesterday, i was able to set up hourly predictions on my mac, so i can confirm that it works :)
[07:58] <arko> hmm
[07:58] <x-f> arko, can you open http://nomads.ncep.noaa.gov:9090 from your server?
[07:58] <arko> i did
[07:58] <x-f> with lynx, links or wget..
[07:59] <arko> hey
[07:59] <arko> yeah
[07:59] <arko> i can open it
[08:00] <arko> so i do sudo ./fetch-run-cronjob.sh
[08:00] <arko> it runs and doesn't error
[08:00] <arko> i see the data coming in
[08:00] <arko> it takes like 15 minutes to run
[08:00] <arko> then when i look at the data, it's all in the same spot
[08:01] <x-f> hmm
[08:01] <arko> looking at the log in /opt/landing-prediction-data/logs
[08:01] <arko> shows
[08:02] <arko> http://pastebin.com/475uFhLU
[08:02] <x-f> it ran for 54 minutes for me this night, so 15 minutes seems fast
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[08:03] <arko> it's on a pretty fast server
[08:03] <arko> wonder what this means
[08:04] <arko> maybe the connection to the server is timing out?
[08:04] <x-f> does it make that error every time?
[08:04] <arko> yes
[08:05] <x-f> weird
[08:05] <arko> i just set it to run again to conrim
[08:05] <arko> confirm*
[08:05] <x-f> what about the other logfile?
[08:06] <x-f> web/hourly-predictions/logs/hourlyredictlog-..
[08:07] <arko> nothing errors out
[08:08] <x-f> does it show different positions for each prediction?
[08:09] <x-f> you should be able to see your predictions on he map even without complete set of GFS files
[08:09] <arko> hmm
[08:09] <arko> same error again
[08:10] <arko> no different positions
[08:10] <arko> all on the same point
[08:11] <arko> it seems to hang up on the same one
[08:11] <arko> very weird
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[08:13] <x-f> i'm out of ideas
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[08:13] <arko> :( me too
[08:15] <x-f> maybe you need to clean some cache, i know habitat guys do that, when habhub.org/predict shows similar symptoms
[08:16] <arko> like the data and new files?
[08:17] <x-f> no, like pydap or something
[08:17] <x-f> something deeper
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[08:18] <arko> cleaned it
[08:18] <arko> running again
[08:19] Action: x-f crosses fingers and goes to breakfast.
[08:19] <arko> cheers
[08:19] <arko> enjoy!
[08:20] <x-f> thank you! :)
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[08:47] <arko> ok
[08:47] <arko> so it just finished
[08:47] <arko> all the data points are still at the launch location
[08:48] <arko> over 500Mb's of data downloaded
[08:50] <arko> same error
[08:51] <arko> the /web/hourly-prediction/logs shows that it finished
[08:52] <arko> the /landing-prediction-data/logs shows the same error
[08:52] <arko> with the unable to contact the server
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[09:09] <jcoxon> morning all
[09:09] <fsphil> morning jcoxon
[09:10] <jcoxon> so fsphil
[09:10] <jcoxon> i'm adapting QTMM (its a QT based afsk decoder)
[09:11] <number10> morning
[09:11] <jcoxon> to output the aprs is successfully decodes
[09:11] <jcoxon> the plan is to pipe this into xastir
[09:11] <fsphil> ah nice, I didn't know about that program
[09:11] <jcoxon> its nice and simple
[09:12] <jcoxon> so it actually parses the data before it displays it - and for the kiss tnc i'm going to emulate i don't really want that
[09:13] <jcoxon> so i've gone in and intercepted the raw packet before it does its parsing
[09:13] <fsphil> what's the goal? just local display?
[09:13] <jcoxon> well it would be a nice feature, its the only os x aprs decoder around
[09:14] <fsphil> ah yea, osx
[09:14] <jcoxon> the thing is that the packet i dump has a ton of unintelligable chars at the beginning
[09:14] <fsphil> aprsmap should work on osx
[09:14] <jcoxon> then you can pick out the coords
[09:14] <fsphil> that's probably ax.25's weird callsign encoding
[09:14] <fsphil> one sec
[09:15] <fsphil> the callsigns are 7-bit ascii
[09:15] <fsphil> bit shifted up by one bit
[09:16] <fsphil> if you >> 1 each byte you'll get the text
[09:16] <jcoxon> i see
[09:16] <fsphil> why they did this, I'll never know :)
[09:16] <fsphil> the LSB in the last callsign byte will be 1
[09:16] <jcoxon> and for KISS TNC would we keep it raw?
[09:17] <fsphil> all the rest are 0
[09:17] <jcoxon> or would we use text
[09:17] <fsphil> I'd guess raw
[09:17] <jcoxon> when i've used my arduino kiss tnc it came out as text i'm sure
[09:17] <fsphil> hmm
[09:18] <fsphil> checking soundmodem's source
[09:19] <fsphil> ok that makes no sense :)
[09:20] <jcoxon> none of this makes sense :-)
[09:20] <jcoxon> it is madness
[09:21] <fsphil> yea I got that impression
[09:21] <jcoxon> its just built on top each other
[09:24] <fsphil> http://www.ka9q.net/papers/kiss.html -- doesn't say, looks like it just sends it raw
[09:27] <jcoxon> so in theory i could just add the Kiss header and footer bit
[09:28] <fsphil> it seems to be
[09:31] <jcoxon> bbl
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[09:58] <oh7lzb> jcoxon: And escape if the kiss footer appears in middle
[10:04] <RG-lz1dev> 3/disc
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[10:19] <griffonbot> Received email: Michael Castle "Re: [UKHAS] Digest for ukhas@googlegroups.com - 1 Message in 1 Topic"
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[10:36] <jcoxon> Back
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[11:20] <jcoxon> ping oh7lzb
[11:40] <oh7lzb> poing.
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[11:40] <oh7lzb> The aprx igate apparently works OK on a mac, it's written in C and contains an APRS parser.
[11:41] <oh7lzb> The aprsc APRS-IS server runs fine too on mac, and it has the very some aprs packet parser.
[11:41] <fsphil> aprx is very easy to get running
[11:41] <oh7lzb> It's not a complete parser, though (doesn't get altitude, for example!). But if you're OK with Perl, the Ham::APRS::FAP is probably one of the more complete parsers, it's what aprs.fi uses. Available on CPAN.
[11:42] <oh7lzb> aprx has C code for implementing KISS too.
[11:42] <oh7lzb> BSD licensed.
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[11:42] <jcoxon> its more the decoding the radio itself
[11:43] <jcoxon> qtmm does that but doesn't put it into a KISS format
[11:43] <jcoxon> which is what i'm hoping to do
[11:43] <jcoxon> oh i see
[11:44] <oh7lzb> KISS is pretty symmetric, so the KISS encode/decode stuff from aprx is fine for you.
[11:44] <oh7lzb> If you're looking at decoding AX.25 and then APRS from the demodulated data, you won't need KISS at all.
[11:44] <jcoxon> so i've got decoded data
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[11:45] <oh7lzb> KISS is what you'd use to pass a raw AX.25 frame on a serial wire (or other similar "stream" line like a pty/tty pair, or serial-over-USB)
[11:46] <jcoxon> yeah, its just quite an easy interface to put into many of the programs that exist
[11:47] <jcoxon> cause you can easily loop back that
[11:47] <jcoxon> say into xastir
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[11:52] <oh7lzb> Yes, that's right.
[11:53] Nick change: daveake_ -> daveake
[11:53] <oh7lzb> Just wanted to point at some existing source code that might help.
[11:54] <jcoxon> yeah i'm looking right now at kiss.c on aprx
[11:54] <oh7lzb> aprx has all of the AX.25 decoding too, as it takes in kiss frames, decodes KISS, AX.25, then APRS.
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[12:05] <DrLuke> does dl-fldigi have an option to output the datastream as a tty device?
[12:05] <DrLuke> (or a com-port)
[12:06] <fsphil> there is a tcp port it writes the data to
[12:06] <DrLuke> ah, nice
[12:06] <fsphil> 7322
[12:06] <DrLuke> thanks
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[13:19] <Laurenceb> ECMWF is on wunderground
[13:19] <Laurenceb> does that mean its now open access?
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[13:23] <Laurenceb> very good if it is
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[13:55] <mclane> mrsted launch activities seem to have started
[13:55] <daveake> Just in my garden at the mo :)
[13:56] <Randomskk> daveake: the BUZZ payload doc has nine fields
[13:56] <Randomskk> but BUZZ is currently transmitting ten fields
[13:56] <Randomskk> (hence the not parsing)
[14:00] <fsphil> oh cool, http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/703574main_MSL%20self-portrait%20pia16239%2020121101_full.jpg
[14:01] <Randomskk> daveake: okay. in the flight doc you'd put an old BUZZ paylaod config, so it wasn't working
[14:01] <Randomskk> I've updated your flight doc to have the new BUZZ config with ten fields
[14:01] <Randomskk> should work now
[14:01] <Randomskk> hmm and yet it isn't
[14:02] <Upu> bad strings
[14:02] <navrac> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FUNcube-Dongle-Pro-64MHz-to-1-700MHz-Software-Defined-Radio-/130797049368?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones_Communication_Ham_Radio_Receivers_Transceivers&hash=item1e741c9618&_uhb=1
[14:02] <navrac> good price £45 for a funcube
[14:03] <Laurenceb> fsphil: FAAKKEEE
[14:03] <Laurenceb> you can tell from the pixels
[14:03] <Randomskk> daveake: whenever you feel like uploading a valid string... :P
[14:04] <Randomskk> woo finally
[14:04] <Randomskk> okay yea it's working
[14:04] <Upu> parsed
[14:04] <Upu> and on the map
[14:05] <fsphil> totally Laurenceb, it's all been done on the moon
[14:05] <daveake> Randomskk I think my flight doc referenced the wrong payload doc
[14:06] <daveake> Anyhoo someone fixed it for me :)
[14:06] <daveake> s/someone/Randomskk/
[14:06] <daveake> cheers :)
[14:06] <daveake> m0psi is running late not sure when he'll arrive
[14:07] <Upu> oh is he coming
[14:07] <Upu> say hi
[14:07] <daveake> ok
[14:10] <Upu> daveake run another prediction
[14:10] <Upu> live predictor is getting awfully close to the coast
[14:11] <Upu> I just amended it to 6m/s ascent
[14:11] <Upu> see if it changes
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[14:13] <Upu> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=af6f59b47aa022bc2a6d15e74ed6ee2cd5861ca8
[14:13] <Upu> landing on a small airport atm
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[14:13] <Upu> worse
[14:13] <Upu> a gold course
[14:13] <Upu> golf
[14:14] <Randomskk> haha
[14:14] <Randomskk> golfers love stuff falling on the course on a sunday
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[14:19] <Laurenceb> hehe
[14:19] <Laurenceb> airport would be like "yeah we hand to burn out the 747 brakes trying to avoid it, but.. meh"
[14:20] <Laurenceb> golfers "YOU WRECKED OUR COURSE!!! THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS"
[14:21] <daveake> Upu It's going to be an 800g Hwoyee, with 800g total payloads, and 3kg neck lift
[14:21] <daveake> Expecting at least 6m/s
[14:22] <Upu> ok
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[14:24] <daveake> The Stirks may be in double figures :)
[14:29] <Laurenceb> when is launch?
[14:29] <fsphil> last I heard 3pm
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[14:36] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[14:36] <Lunar_Lander> daveake is getting ready I can see on the tracker
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[14:39] <daveake> m0psi has arrived
[14:39] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[14:39] <daveake> Finishing touches to MrsTed (lifeline attachment!) then we're go down to the launch site
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[14:42] <cuddykid> hope all goes well daveake
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[14:46] <daveake> Cheers
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[14:47] <daveake> Slight delay - SD card in the Pi came out slightly, stopping the webcam
[14:47] <daveake> Have applied XPS and tape in appropriate places :)
[14:47] <Randomskk> :P
[14:47] <Randomskk> okay, beta release of http://habitat.habhub.org/ept/ is done
[14:47] <Randomskk> if people want to test it a bit that'd be cool.
[14:47] <Randomskk> might prod the channel later this evening
[14:48] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[14:48] <Lunar_Lander> what's XPS btw?
[14:48] <Lunar_Lander> good luck daveake !
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[14:58] <daveake> extruded polystyrene
[14:58] <daveake> off to launch site now
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[15:25] <Colin_G8TMV> Any news of the launch?
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[15:30] <daveake> autoconf on Buzz comes up as 8 data bits ... so plz note it's actually 7
[15:30] <daveake> Just waiting for the balloon to be fetched :D
[15:30] <Colin_G8TMV> daveake: launch eta?
[15:30] <daveake> 30 mins
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[15:30] <Colin_G8TMV> Ah, ok, time to go find my Signalink
[15:31] <Upu> someone forget the balloon ? :)
[15:31] <gb73d> http://spotthestation.nasa.gov/index.cfm
[15:31] <Upu> streaming video daveake ?
[15:31] <Randomskk> daveake: just fixed that for you, should autoconfigure OK now
[15:38] <daveake> tvm
[15:38] <daveake> Not bothered with the streaming
[15:38] <daveake> Inflating now
[15:39] <daveake> hi guys (it's Ali/ m0psi)
[15:41] <Upu> hey Ali
[15:41] <Upu> this is going to be a recovery in the dark :)
[15:42] <Upu> Tell Dave the Pi payload isn't on the map at the moment pls
[15:42] <Adam012> Will there be any more SSDV of Mr TED or is it being cut for this launch?
[15:43] <Upu> no should be SSDV
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[15:44] <daveake> not yet tuned in
[15:44] <daveake> he is busy fillin :-)
[15:45] <fsphil> phew, thought I'd broke something
[15:45] <Upu> haha
[15:46] <fsphil> I've got my dual screens back. I've missed this so much
[15:46] Nick change: Cadair -> Cadair_away
[15:47] <Colin_G8TMV> Do we have a dial freq for buzz yet?
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[15:52] <Randomskk> if anyone wants to try out http://habitat.habhub.org/ept/ and give any feedback/suggestions that'd be great :P
[15:52] <daveake> Launch in a mo
[15:52] <daveake> Just waiting for a heli to pass !
[15:52] <Randomskk> haha
[15:52] <Randomskk> did you phone ATC? did they tell you?
[15:52] <Randomskk> once we phoend ATC and got the all clear
[15:52] <Colin_G8TMV> dial freq?
[15:52] <Randomskk> then a few seconds before release, helicopter flew right overhead
[15:53] <Randomskk> we were a bit like "uhm.... maybe hold on a sec"
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[15:53] <fsphil> we seem to always have a small aircraft flying about at the time of launch
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[15:56] <fsphil> new image
[15:56] <daveake> Randomskk Autoconf on MrsTed appears to be 7 bits not 8
[15:56] <daveake> OK, launch time :)
[15:56] <Randomskk> oh, what should it be?
[15:56] <Randomskk> should be 8?
[15:56] <daveake> 8 bits
[15:57] <daveake> otherwise correct
[15:57] <Randomskk> oh I see, I fixed buzz but not mrsted
[15:57] <Randomskk> it's actually just not autoconfing
[15:57] <daveake> ok off to launch :)
[15:57] <Randomskk> fixed
[15:57] <Randomskk> gl
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[15:59] <LazyLeopard> I've noticed autoconfig getting that wrong recently...
[15:59] <Randomskk> yea it's a known bug
[15:59] <Upu> so what is MRSTED ? 8N1 ?
[15:59] <Randomskk> we realised it the day we released the new version of dl-fldigi actually
[16:00] <Randomskk> Upu: should autocionf ok now
[16:00] <Randomskk> might need to refresh
[16:00] <Upu> 8N2 I get
[16:00] <Randomskk> LazyLeopard: we have a fix, it's trivial (one system used ASCII-8, the other ascii-8)
[16:00] <fsphil> 8n2 sounds about right
[16:00] <Upu> k
[16:00] <Randomskk> will be releasing it along with the fix to the wrong payloads being associated with flights
[16:00] <Randomskk> soon
[16:00] <Randomskk> DanielRichman was working on it friday actually
[16:01] <Randomskk> and some other bits
[16:01] <Randomskk> like the squid proxy thing
[16:01] <LazyLeopard> Good ;)
[16:01] <Randomskk> and uploading dial freq
[16:01] <fsphil> yay
[16:01] <Randomskk> possibly it'l get new frequency tracking
[16:01] <Randomskk> need to look into that a bit
[16:01] <Randomskk> my primary goal was to finish ept which has taken the weekend but I think now orks :P
[16:01] <Randomskk> works*
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[16:02] <Randomskk> http://habitat.habhub.org/ept/ woo
[16:03] <gb73d> Is there a launch ? whats the freq mode time ?
[16:03] <gb73d> pse
[16:03] <daveake> up
[16:03] <Randomskk> MRSTED
[16:03] <Randomskk> 434.65MHz USB RTTY 300 baud 600Hz shift ASCII-8 no parity 2 stop bits
[16:03] <Randomskk> BUZZ
[16:03] <Randomskk> 434.3MHz USB RTTY 50 baud 460Hz shift ASCII-7 no parity 2 stop bits
[16:03] <Randomskk> it's on the ukhas calendar ;P
[16:04] <gb73d> tyvm
[16:04] <Upu> 434.300 ?
[16:04] <Upu> its 200 isn't it ?
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[16:04] <Colin_G8TMV> Randomskk: isn't BUZZ 8-bit?
[16:04] <fsphil> has anyone ever used parity? :)
[16:04] <gb73d> what is the url ?
[16:04] <Randomskk> http://habitat.habhub.org/calendar/
[16:04] <gb73d> ty
[16:04] <Randomskk> (it's an iCAL feed, needs adding to google calendar or other calendar program)
[16:04] <Randomskk> Colin_G8TMV: I believe BUZZ is 7 bit
[16:05] <Randomskk> Upu: config says .3, it might actually be .2
[16:05] <Randomskk> fsphil: parity is a crazy idea when you can't do retransmission so no, I don't think anyone has done it
[16:05] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... So http://spacenear.us/tracker/ says 434.200 for Buzz, but the calendar says 434.300...
[16:05] <Randomskk> believe tracker then
[16:05] <Randomskk> the calendar says whatever the payload configuration document says
[16:05] <Randomskk> which may not have been updated for this flight
[16:05] <LazyLeopard> Right.
[16:05] <Randomskk> or you could check both frequencies
[16:06] <Randomskk> probably wouldn't take long to figure out which it was on :P
[16:06] <LazyLeopard> Sets up A for one and B for the other... ;)
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[16:07] <LazyLeopard> 434.195
[16:08] <LazyLeopard> ...for BUZZ
[16:08] <LazyLeopard> ...and wobbling. ;)
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[16:09] Nick change: Upu -> Upu_M0UPU
[16:10] <Upu_M0UPU> any dial on MRSTED
[16:10] <Upu_M0UPU> ?
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[16:12] <fsphil> doesn't seem to be any data coming in for mrsted
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[16:13] <gb73d> Ok im getting copy
[16:13] <LazyL_M0LEP> Had a quick scan around .630 to .670 and can't hear anything
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[16:14] <JFS1> Got Buzz but can't hear Mrs. Ted
[16:14] <jcoxon> LazyL_M0LEP, as i'm back in london - fancy helping with some ground testing of some of the balloon stuff
[16:14] <LazyL_M0LEP> If you like...
[16:15] <daveake> Can someone tune in to MrsTed plz
[16:15] <jcoxon> do you have an rfm22b?
[16:15] <daveake> 434.65 ish
[16:15] <daveake> NTX2
[16:15] <gb73d> my call is listed as logger M1ELK
[16:15] <gb73d> i am up !
[16:15] <gb73d> tested the rigs today
[16:16] <LazyL_M0LEP> no RTTY heard between .630 and .670
[16:16] <Upu_M0UPU> is NTX2 transmitting Dave ?
[16:17] <G8KNN-Jon> buzz is a big signal but nothing from MrsTed at all
[16:17] <JFS1> Still looking for MrsTed and no luck
[16:17] <danielsaul> Dial freq for Buzz?
[16:17] <Upu_M0UPU> interesting temperature on Buzz
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[16:18] <Colin_G8TMV> Hmm... I'm appearing in the list of Rxs but I'm not on the map (well not in the correct place)
[16:18] Nick change: daveake -> MrsDave
[16:19] <Upu_M0UPU> Hi Julie
[16:20] <LazyL_M0LEP> jcoxon: I've only got tracking hardware, no payload hardware.
[16:21] <LazyL_M0LEP> jcoxon: ...but poke earthshine as he may have ;)
[16:21] <gb73d> sri m y rig drifted
[16:21] <gb73d> shud be logger soon
[16:22] <Colin_G8TMV> Ah, I'm on the map
[16:23] <MrsDave> Hi. David driving.
[16:23] <MrsDave> mrs Ted is 8 databits
[16:24] <LazyL_M0LEP> Mrs Ted is silent
[16:24] <Lunar_Lander> hello MrsDave
[16:24] <MrsDave> Please check your settings
[16:24] <MrsDave> XD
[16:24] <LazyL_M0LEP> No signal at all.
[16:24] <Upu_M0UPU> lol
[16:24] <Upu_M0UPU> we can't hear MrsTed
[16:24] <Upu_M0UPU> what is the dial frequency for it ?
[16:24] <Upu_M0UPU> Buzz is loud and clear
[16:24] <LazyL_M0LEP> Nothing to hear between .600 and .700
[16:25] <LazyL_M0LEP> ...apart from the usual QRM
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[16:25] <danielsaul> What is the dial frequency for Buzz atm?
[16:25] <Upu_M0UPU> 434.197
[16:25] <Upu_M0UPU> .5
[16:25] <LazyL_M0LEP> 343.1975
[16:25] <LazyL_M0LEP> 434. even... ;)
[16:25] <danielsaul> ta
[16:26] <gb73d> rig is still drifting
[16:26] <LazyL_M0LEP> BUZZ is drifting too...
[16:26] <Colin_G8TMV> gb73d: it's more likely it's the payload - it's moving about a lot
[16:27] <JFS1> No luck finding Mrs Ted
[16:27] <gb73d> i wundfred
[16:30] <gb73d> almost due north of me now
[16:31] <MrsDave> We cant hear it either
[16:31] <kpiman> no waterfall, any ideas?
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[16:31] <MrsDave> No. its a NTX2 ; should at least have a carrier
[16:32] <G8KNN-Jon> Scanned 434.0 to 434.7 and nothing but Buzz and QRM :-(
[16:32] <Lunar_Lander> wow MrsDave knows XD
[16:32] <MrsDave> Dictatad by David! Apologies for any typing errors as dont understand the tech side of things
[16:32] <Upu_M0UPU> Ah Lunar
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[16:32] <Upu_M0UPU> you know how to sweet talk 'em
[16:33] <Upu_M0UPU> I have a few carriers 434.648 & 434.653
[16:33] <Upu_M0UPU> may be local QRM
[16:33] <gb73d> 434.19834
[16:33] <gb73d> here
[16:33] <gb73d> usb
[16:33] <Lunar_Lander> Upu_M0UPU, how do you mean?
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[16:37] <Adam012> I've just finished off my first attempt at tracker code for Project Horizon. It's a partial success. The GPS is polled for the custom sentence which is then transmitted by the NXT. The downsides are: the signal wanders up and down the waterfall, I only get the details up to horiz/vert accuracy then a checksum and that marks the end of the line.
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[16:38] <Adam012> Is anyone able to cast a seasoned eye over it (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/61857699/Code/Horizon%20tracker%20code%20v0.1%20Alpha.docx) or should I wait for the return of Ted?
[16:40] <gb73d> 434.19886 usb here m1elk
[16:41] <cuddykid> Adam012: in future stick it on paste bin or similar - a lot quicker and easier to read :)
[16:41] <Upu_M0UPU> hmm
[16:42] <Upu_M0UPU> odd signal
[16:42] <number10_M0MDB> drifiting and fading
[16:42] <fsphil> and not a docx file :)
[16:42] <Upu_M0UPU> indeed
[16:43] <Upu_M0UPU> that payload is really shifting
[16:43] <Adam012> I'll set up a pastebin account in a bit.
[16:43] <Upu_M0UPU> its free
[16:43] <Randomskk> or use pastie.org
[16:43] <Randomskk> which I also like :P
[16:43] <Randomskk> but yea it's just you go to the site, paste all the code in, select programming langauge, done
[16:44] <cuddykid> Adam012: just quickly running through - minor thing - while(Serial.available() > 0).. don't need the ">0" as anything other than 0 is true
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[16:45] <fsphil> > 0 is quite clear though
[16:45] <Randomskk> I think "while(Serial.available())" is if anything clearer
[16:45] <Colin_G8TMV> indeed and the compiler will probably generate the same code anyway
[16:45] <fsphil> I do too, but not everyone does
[16:45] <cuddykid> yeah - it's personal pref
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[16:46] <daveake_> We added enough Stirks for another 500g necklift, .5kg in total
[16:46] <Adam012> Okay, simple is good so I'll edit that out in the next revision.
[16:46] <cuddykid> like the old "#define ever ;; (or something like that) then - for(ever) {}
[16:46] <cuddykid> rising well daveake_
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[16:46] <Upu_M0UPU> that is alot of mes in there
[16:46] <daveake_> So it should do!
[16:47] <fsphil> haha
[16:47] Nick change: daveake_ -> mrs
[16:47] <fsphil> shame about the pi
[16:47] <cuddykid> yep
[16:48] Nick change: mrs -> MrsDave
[16:48] <furtiveone> What's happening with MrsTed?
[16:49] <MrsDave> Could be loose power or radio or data connection
[16:49] <furtiveone> Is she lost or can you still track her?
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[16:50] <cuddykid> aren't they on same balloon?
[16:50] <fsphil> there's a second payload
[16:50] <fsphil> yea
[16:50] <number10_M0MDB> is on same balloon as buzz furtiveone
[16:50] <furtiveone> Ah, cool
[16:50] <cuddykid> good
[16:51] <mattb> not sure the temperature probe is accurate :P
[16:51] <MrsDave> Should we aim for M11?
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[16:51] <number10_M0MDB> yeas m11 then a120
[16:51] <Colin_G8TMV> MrsDave: probably
[16:51] <number10_M0MDB> -a
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[16:52] <Adam012> Okay, small change made and uploaded to pastebin:
[16:52] <MrsDave> Re temperature possibly bad payload doc
[16:53] <Adam012> http://pastebin.com/i6w9uyZc
[16:53] <Randomskk> Adam012: if you tell it the code is C++ it will even syntax highlight it for you.
[16:53] <MrsDave> Isnt the A120 where the CUSF flight landed?
[16:53] <Randomskk> near enough
[16:53] <number10_M0MDB> yes MrsDave
[16:53] <Randomskk> I remark it didn't land _on_ the A120 :P
[16:54] <number10_M0MDB> lol :)
[16:54] <Colin_G8TMV> If you get really lucky it might land at Stanstead
[16:54] <MrsDave> Oh goody!
[16:54] <Adam012> Is that any better?
[16:55] <cuddykid> oo - just noticed the updated wiki - looking better
[16:55] <Colin_G8TMV> Does anyone have any idea why the freq is so unstable?
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[16:56] <mattb> what altitude they aiming for?
[16:56] <fsphil> 30k
[16:56] <MrsDave> Aiming for 28k
[16:57] <fsphil> or that
[16:57] <gb73d> http://ukhas.org.uk/general:upcoming_launches
[16:57] <gb73d> that page is short on info
[16:58] <Upu_M0UPU> not sure its kept up todate
[16:58] <gb73d> that site u gave for the calandar is some weird format
[16:59] <Upu_M0UPU> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICalendar
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[17:00] <Randomskk> gb73d: if you use google calendar or apple's ical or microsoft outlook or anything
[17:00] <Randomskk> that can do it
[17:00] <Randomskk> otherwise I think someone put it on a website too
[17:00] <number10_M0MDB> i think daveake put it on his
[17:00] <Randomskk> https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=4risteqo3k2r5fijms0f9lo7j3aebr8d%40import.calendar.google.com&ctz=Europe/London
[17:01] <Randomskk> you can also just use that
[17:03] <Randomskk> uhm, or apparently not
[17:03] <gb73d> thanks
[17:04] <gb73d> google groups icve joined UKHAS
[17:04] <Randomskk> I suggest adding it to google calendar or such
[17:04] <gb73d> i will just watch spacenear for now, google is messing me about
[17:06] <MrsDave> Car should be on map now
[17:06] <Colin_G8TMV> yup
[17:06] <MrsDave> Stuck in traffic so genuine speed!
[17:07] <Adam012> Okay, spotted a problem with the code: had used "%04X\n" instead of "*%04X\n"
[17:10] <number10_M0MDB> gb73d: I think this is the html that daveake uses on his site for the calendar http://pastie.org/5181839
[17:11] <gb73d> that doesnt work
[17:11] <MrsDave> Number 10 - do you fancy a trip out tonight ;-)
[17:11] <gb73d> it was good luck to find a laun ch this weekend
[17:11] <number10_M0MDB> I know what you mean MrsDave
[17:11] <gb73d> i might havd been at brightwalton if i had known
[17:12] <gb73d> ivce set up firefox for spacenews
[17:12] <Upu_M0UPU> mailing list gb73d ?
[17:12] <gb73d> am putting space near on for bAlons
[17:12] <number10_M0MDB> not quite setup for a recovery at the moment MrsDave as just got back from the hospital
[17:13] Action: Colin_G8TMV is nearly as close, but can't track from the car
[17:13] <MrsDave> 9.7 m/s?
[17:13] <Colin_G8TMV> No internet from the car either
[17:13] <number10_M0MDB> MrsDave: I'll have a word with the mrs - but I may get into trouble as supposed to be cooking
[17:14] <Upu_M0UPU> 7.4m/s
[17:14] <Upu_M0UPU> at the burst alt
[17:14] <MrsDave> umber 10 - chips are on us!
[17:14] <Adam012> Ted is going up well. Tracker problem on that payload?
[17:15] <LazyL_M0LEP> ...a bit above the planned burst altitude now, I guess...
[17:15] <Upu_M0UPU> burst ?
[17:15] <Upu_M0UPU> burst
[17:15] <LazyL_M0LEP> burst
[17:15] <Colin_G8TMV> yup - I think so
[17:15] <LazyL_M0LEP> 29527 was highest I saw.
[17:15] <Colin_G8TMV> alt coming down
[17:15] <Lunar_Lander> damn he will land where NOVA 23 landed
[17:16] <LazyL_M0LEP> Back in the building site?
[17:16] <Lunar_Lander> I don't hope so but that was near Braintree if I recall
[17:17] <gb73d> there is s docu on TV about Baungarnter
[17:18] <LazyL_M0LEP> Yeah. 8:30 beeb2
[17:18] <gb73d> space dive 2030 bbc2 im rec it
[17:18] <Colin_G8TMV> just about to cross the Meridian
[17:18] <MrsDave> Number 10 - just spotted hospital in earlier msg. Hope all ok
[17:25] <MrsDave> Used a slightly undersized parachute
[17:26] <Upu_M0UPU> decent rate is fine
[17:27] <MrsDave> Yep
[17:29] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah 6m/s landing
[17:30] <Upu_M0UPU> hopefully number10_M0MDB should be able to get it all the way to the ground
[17:30] <number10_M0MDB> I hope so - just finding my wellies - there is a lot of water round here
[17:30] <Upu_M0UPU> steady now
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[17:31] <Upu_M0UPU> should be some interesting pictures of Stansted Daveake :)
[17:32] <LazyL_M0LEP> More like of the cloud over Stanstead...
[17:32] <Upu_M0UPU> ahyeah
[17:32] <Upu_M0UPU> forgot about that
[17:32] <Upu_M0UPU> dang english weather
[17:32] <Upu_M0UPU> right I'll go walk the dog
[17:32] <LazyL_M0LEP> ...assuming it's as grey there as it was here last time I looked at the sky...
[17:32] <MrsDave> Damn.i left my wellies at home
[17:33] <number10_M0MDB> some of the country roads are a little flodded
[17:33] <LazyL_M0LEP> Well, it's not grey here any more, it's sodium yellow...
[17:33] <MrsDave> Just as well we are in the 4 x 4
[17:33] <LazyL_M0LEP> My garden had an extra pond or two today...
[17:34] <Colin_G8TMV> solid grey clag here in Cambridge
[17:34] <Randomskk> kinda black cloud now :P
[17:37] <Adam012> Does anyone know whay I don't get the 'SOG,COG,Vvel,ageC,HDOP,VDOP,TDOP,GU,RU,DR' part of the PUBX polled custom string?
[17:37] <Adam012> sorry whay = why
[17:37] <griffonbot> Received email: Adam Greig "[UKHAS] Export Payload Telemetry"
[17:38] <Colin_G8TMV> really nice solid signal now in Cambridge
[17:38] <x-f> Adam012, do you use SoftwareSerial?
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[17:40] <gb73d> Great Buzz !
[17:40] <gb73d> getting good sigs still
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[17:40] <gb73d> M1ELK here
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[17:41] <m0psi> right, back home. seems like i've missed all the fun!
[17:42] <MrsDave> Glad you made it home ok Ali
[17:42] <MrsDave> Thanks for yoouyr help.
[17:43] <m0psi> np, quite enjoyable for sure
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[17:47] <G0MJW> Good signal from the latest launch BUZZ - once I realised it was 7 bit that is.
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[17:48] <Adam012> \msg x-f I can do I just chose to keep the code simple this time around. Are you suggesting a serial debug?
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[17:48] <gb73d> rx that ukhas message ty
[17:49] <Lunar_Lander> Upu_M0UPU, do you have a moment after the flight?
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[17:52] <Upu> later on Lunar
[17:52] <LazyL_M0LEP> Hmmm... On the ground...
[17:52] <m0psi> would have been an interesting recovery from stanstread runway :-)
[17:52] <Colin_G8TMV> I've just lost it... copy down to 370m alt at almost 40km isn't bad
[17:52] <Upu> just miss the A120
[17:53] <G0MJW> Think I might have copied it better had I beamed at it.... Lost it at 1766
[17:53] <Upu> lost it Number10 ?
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[17:53] <m0psi> nice little exit nearby for daveake
[17:53] <Colin_G8TMV> m0psi: that is an over bridge not an exit
[17:54] <m0psi> next one
[17:54] <gb73d> signal lost here
[17:54] <mattb> down
[17:54] <number10_M0MDB> last position is 51.87588, 0.40419
[17:54] <MrsDave> Any podcode
[17:54] <gb73d> great fun ! I just tested the rig today and hey presto a ballon to track brilliant
[17:54] <Upu> Dave go up A120
[17:54] <gb73d> tyvm
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[17:55] <Upu> come off at the B1256 turn off ( Travellodge)
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[17:55] <m0psi> actually colin_g8tmv, the next one is not an exit either
[17:55] <MrsDave> I mean postcode. Cant see what I am typing
[17:55] <Upu> k 1 sec
[17:55] <MrsDave> Need p
[17:55] <Upu> Chelmsford Road
[17:55] <Upu> Great Dunmow, Essex CM6 1LW
[17:56] <MrsDave> P and petrol
[17:56] <MrsDave> lol
[17:56] <Upu> that gets you to travel lodge from there its a few back roads but we can guide you in
[17:56] <m0psi> dave take exit for B1256
[17:57] <Colin_G8TMV> MrsDave: if you need fuel then use the Birchanger services where the M11 meets the A120
[17:57] <m0psi> from the A120
[17:57] <LazyL_M0LEP> CM6 3AW or CM6 3AN are closest according to Streetmap
[17:57] <Upu> well if he heads to the travel lodge
[17:57] <Upu> thats a good exit from the A120
[17:57] <Upu> that will do for the moment don't confuse
[17:57] <MrsDave> Thanks ALL
[17:57] <LazyL_M0LEP> CM6 3AN is closer...
[17:58] <mattb> Round House Braintree Rd, Little Dunmow, Dunmow, Essex CM6 3AN, UK is the nearest property on google
[17:58] <Upu> 28 mins away
[17:58] <staylo> ooer, that's an interesting flight path
[17:58] <m0psi> so, what happened to MrTed?
[17:58] <gonzo_> they not running a chase car app?
[17:59] <Upu> sure we'll find out
[17:59] <Upu> thye are gonzo_
[17:59] <m0psi> good thing buzz was around to save the day!
[17:59] <mattb> RPi dropped out shortly after takeoff, probs a loose wire
[17:59] <Upu> well this is why 2 trackers is a good idea
[17:59] <gonzo_> ah, refreshed the p[age, see it now
[17:59] <SpeedEvil> :-(
[17:59] <Upu> hell when we flew the GoPro we used 3
[17:59] <m0psi> oh, there was an issue with the pi booting
[17:59] <m0psi> but dave fixed it
[18:00] <Upu> having a SD card literally dangling out is never going to end well
[18:00] <m0psi> indeed, if it moves, it can become undone
[18:00] <m0psi> simples
[18:01] <MrsDave> Any idea if in field or garden or whateve
[18:02] <m0psi> well, at least there are no trees around for dave to contend with
[18:02] <furtiveone> Looks like a field with nice easy access
[18:02] <Colin_G8TMV> looks like a field, unless it's on the roof of that bungalow
[18:02] <m0psi> there is no reason why it is not actually ON the A120 btw
[18:02] <MrsDave> ok
[18:02] <Colin_G8TMV> There aren't any big trees even
[18:04] <mattb> hopefully youll pick it up again when you get close
[18:06] <Upu> Daveake you're going to have to pick it up and work out where it is
[18:07] <Upu> last reading was at 294m , number10_M0MDB believes last position was 51.87588, 0.40419 which puts in probably in a field.
[18:07] <Upu> I'd get on the B1256 see if you can hear it
[18:08] <Colin_G8TMV> yeah, stop near that T junction
[18:08] <MrsDave> OK no problem
[18:08] <m0psi> did anyone pick up any live pictures?
[18:08] <Upu> no it wasn't working Alu
[18:08] <m0psi> :-(
[18:08] <m0psi> not even in the beginning, right?
[18:09] <Upu> as you drive down the B1256 Daveake there is a turn off sign posted Felsted 2 1/2 miles, stop somewhere round there and see if you can hear it
[18:09] <mattb> the images were working up until it was taken out the car. lease the last image i saw was of an open car door
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[18:11] <Upu> next turn off Dave
[18:11] <Upu> is signposted Felstead
[18:11] <Upu> Thaxted sorry
[18:12] <Upu> Gt Dunmow & Takeley and puts you on the A1256
[18:12] <Upu> B1256
[18:12] <Upu> grr
[18:12] <m0psi> yes, not this turn off, the next one :-)
[18:12] <mattb> hes a bit of a way off there isnt he
[18:12] <Upu> either this one or the next one
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[18:13] <MrsDave> Turn left now B12156
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[18:13] <Upu> that will do
[18:13] <Upu> then just follow it
[18:14] <Upu> straight on at next round about
[18:14] <Upu> run parallet with the A120
[18:14] <JFS1> Hi Brian - Dave is just on his way to pick up his balloon
[18:14] <Upu> next three round abouts straight on
[18:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Hi yes im watching
[18:15] <Colin_G8TMV> Upu - it would have been better to come off at the later junction
[18:15] <Upu> When you see a sign for Felsted/Stebbing you are on the right road, another 1.5km down there and pick up
[18:15] <Upu> possibly Colin_G8TMV
[18:15] <Colin_G8TMV> The way he's going now he has to drive through the town
[18:16] <mattb> 2nd exit then 1st exit
[18:16] <mattb> 1st exit at the next round about
[18:17] <mattb> then its near the 1st right hand turning (after 3 lefts)
[18:18] <Upu> should be able to hear it soon
[18:18] <mattb> bout 1 k off
[18:18] <MrsDave> Missed town centre
[18:18] <Colin_G8TMV> half a mile to go
[18:19] <MrsDave> RTTY
[18:19] <Colin_G8TMV> Yay
[18:19] <m0psi> yay!
[18:19] <Upu> you're pretty much on it
[18:19] <Upu> like there now
[18:20] <mattb> stop
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[18:20] <Upu> damn food ready just when it gets exciting
[18:20] <Upu> bbs
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[18:20] <mattb> someone got a signal at BUZZ Time: 2012-11-04 18:20:18 Position: 51.87568,0.40532
[18:20] <Colin_G8TMV> Ah, updated position
[18:21] <Colin_G8TMV> "It's behind you!"
[18:21] <MrsDave> ha
[18:21] <MrsDave> ok turning round
[18:21] <mattb> its in the field on your rhs looking back the way you came
[18:21] <staylo> nice landing!
[18:21] <m0psi> veg plot!
[18:21] <mattb> turn into "round house"
[18:22] <Colin_G8TMV> thats it
[18:22] <m0psi> looks like a hedge there
[18:22] <Colin_G8TMV> you will have to walk from there
[18:22] <m0psi> better off with the next one, i bet dave can drive into that
[18:23] <Colin_G8TMV> m0psi - apart from the damage to the crops that would cause - it's been raining - he will sink!
[18:23] <m0psi> there is a telegraph pole dave, and htere is an side lane next to it
[18:23] <m0psi> 4x4
[18:23] <m0psi> he'll be fine colin
[18:24] <Colin_G8TMV> m0psi - do you really want him to piss the landowner off?
[18:24] <m0psi> no, not really :-)
[18:24] <mattb> still not good to churn up someones field tho
[18:24] <Colin_G8TMV> well stop making stupid suggestions then
[18:25] <m0psi> hmm, not a great line colin_g8tmv, it is a lane, not a field
[18:26] <MrsDave> Thing David has found it
[18:26] <m0psi> nice!
[18:26] <MrsDave> Think. Know.
[18:26] <Colin_G8TMV> Great
[18:26] <mattb> woot
[18:27] <mattb> its moving :P
[18:27] <m0psi> funny :-)
[18:28] <Colin_G8TMV> I suspect that is Dave carying it back to the car
[18:28] <mattb> as do i
[18:28] <MrsDave> recovered :)
[18:28] <fsphil> teddy as she goes
[18:29] <MrsDave> Bit muddy
[18:29] <Colin_G8TMV> only a bit?
[18:29] <m0psi> aaaah!
[18:29] <Lunar_Lander> MrsDave, well done
[18:29] <mattb> congrats
[18:29] <m0psi> good to meet you MrsDave
[18:30] Nick change: MrsDave -> daveake
[18:30] <m0psi> look forward to meeting again, I'm sure not long from now
[18:30] <gonzo_> just missed a collection of phone and 11kv cables!
[18:30] <gonzo_> prob would not have seen them in the dark
[18:30] <daveake> MrsTed signal just fine here
[18:30] <daveake> Must be the aerial connection
[18:30] <fsphil> weird
[18:31] <daveake> I'll take a look later
[18:31] <peteh> fish and chips
[18:31] <Upu> recovered ?
[18:31] <fsphil> yep
[18:31] <Colin_G8TMV> yes
[18:31] <Upu> nice one
[18:32] <Upu> at night too :)
[18:32] <m0psi> you missed all the fun upu! :-)
[18:32] <gonzo_> Ah another IRC direction to a chippy
[18:32] <Upu> back to food :)
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[18:33] <m0psi> daveake, was the video only streemed or did you also save it to disk?
[18:33] <mattb> your nearest chippy is in braintree
[18:33] <Colin_G8TMV> or back at the motorway services
[18:35] <daveake> The UHF antenna wasn't full screwed in
[18:35] <daveake> And the stills camera seems to have stopped b4 launch
[18:35] <Colin_G8TMV> oops
[18:35] <daveake> So .... need to do this again!
[18:35] <mattb> so no pictures?
[18:35] <fsphil> aah man
[18:35] <daveake> looks like
[18:35] <m0psi> let me know daveake, happy to help again
[18:35] <daveake> I know
[18:35] <daveake> Still all recovered
[18:35] <daveake> Going now ...
[18:36] <daveake> see y'all later
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[18:36] <mattb> tara
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[18:36] Action: Colin_G8TMV goes to look for food too
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[18:42] <arko> Upu: you around?
[18:46] <Upu> yup
[18:47] <Upu> looks like an easy recovery
[18:47] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:47] <Upu> ah crap
[18:47] <Upu> no pics :(
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[18:48] <m0psi> upu, i'm a little confused by that. there were two cams, one stills, and one webcam
[18:48] <m0psi> surely, the stills one is ok
[18:48] <m0psi> do you know if dave uses chdk?
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[18:49] <Upu> looks like it stopped
[18:49] <Upu> sure we'll have a full debrief
[18:49] <m0psi> indeed. there are lots to talk about i'm sure
[18:51] <LazyL_M0LEP> Hmmm... More things for the checklist... though I'm sure "make sure the camera isn't in auto-switchoff mode" has made the list once or twice before... ;)
[18:51] Nick change: LazyL_M0LEP -> LazyLeopard
[18:52] <LazyLeopard> Oh, and good for multiple trackers on one balloon; definitely increases recovery chances... ;)
[18:54] <Adam012> Was it the pi that stopped transmitting?
[18:55] <m0psi> aparently the antenna was not screwed in tight
[18:55] <m0psi> so, ok at close range
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[19:02] <Adam012> Something else to add to our pre-launch checklist!
[19:04] <LazyLeopard> Pretty sure something like that's happened before, too... ;)
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[19:06] <gb73d> fldigi did a good job today, only needed to set rtty parameters, the web side sorted itself out v good
[19:09] <number10_M0MDB> mm.... I got to the aptly named duck end and had to turn round as AA van was blocking the road towing a car out of the flood
[19:09] Nick change: number10_M0MDB -> number10
[19:11] <number10> daveake ^^ if you are reading logs
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[19:26] <gb73d> reminder 2030 bbc2 baumgarnter docu 1 hour
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[19:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> gb73d thanks for the reminder
[19:38] <OZ1SKY_Brian> some obama stuff on bbc2?
[19:38] <Lunar_Lander> hello OZ1SKY_Brian
[19:38] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ahh wait, 2030 bst :-)
[19:38] <fsphil> gmt now
[19:38] <OZ1SKY_Brian> fsphil yes, in one hour then
[19:39] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Hi lunar
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[20:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Lunar_Lander how is the prep for launch going?
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[20:04] <Lunar_Lander> quite well, I was on spacenear on friday evening
[20:04] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:04] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes i did see that
[20:05] <OZ1SKY_Brian> was wondering about the name, but found out
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[20:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> brb
[20:08] <cuddykid> did you have a road landing?!
[20:08] <cuddykid> *we
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[20:11] <Upu> don't think so cuddykid
[20:19] <cuddykid> ah good
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[20:23] <gb73d> 5 mins BBC2
[20:23] <OZ1SKY_Brian> gb73d yep im ready too
[20:25] <Laurenceb> how long is the program?
[20:26] <gb73d> 1 hr
[20:26] <Laurenceb> bah
[20:26] <Laurenceb> ill watch homeland
[20:28] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[20:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> LOL promo for a danish series now
[20:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> didnt see that comming
[20:30] <gb73d> bbc2 now
[20:32] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yep
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[20:37] <gb73d> B2 takeoff !
[20:39] <OZ1SKY_Brian> i want those suspenders! :-)
[20:47] <gb73d> i will put some on
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[20:58] <m0psi> hi jcoxon, our hab project is progressing, and at some point we'll need to be able to test with DL-fldigi. Have you had a chance to work on the crash bug recently?
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[21:03] <jcoxon> m0psi, yes
[21:03] <jcoxon> i think i've fixed the mac os x bug
[21:04] <jcoxon> (well the main bug)
[21:04] <jcoxon> it'll be in the next release
[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> hi jcoxon
[21:07] <jcoxon> hello Lunar_Lander
[21:08] <Lunar_Lander> how are you today?
[21:09] <eroomde> same as yesterday
[21:09] <eroomde> see i answered for him
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[21:09] <eroomde> this documentary is a bit silly
[21:10] <fsphil> yes
[21:12] <Lunar_Lander> why exactly?
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[21:13] <fsphil> health and safety need to have a word with that guy on the forklift
[21:13] <eroomde> http://i.imgur.com/NKYE1.jpg
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[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil, because he was standing on the forks or so?
[21:15] <fsphil> yea
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> that's dangerous
[21:16] <m0psi> excellent jcoxon. please let me know when i can give it a test.
[21:17] <BrainDamage> fsphil: this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JGCUQDUcrE
[21:17] <fsphil> aah poor old Klaus
[21:17] <fsphil> I'm surprised red bull give him a job
[21:19] <eroomde> golly
[21:20] <eroomde> this is ringing lots of bells
[21:22] <eroomde> i want to know where they got their switch guards from
[21:22] <fsphil> I was thinking that little illuminated display was nice
[21:24] <eroomde> making control panels is very satisfying
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[21:29] <fsphil> when you wake up, you will believe you are a duck
[21:29] <eroomde> unt i sink we should keep you calm unt relaxed mit der energy drinken yah?
[21:30] <daveake> quack
[21:31] <Lunar_Lander> wb daveake congratulations for a good flight
[21:31] <daveake> If a shrink makes you think you're a duck, where do you send the bill?
[21:31] <fsphil> lol, Joe just called Felix a twat (without using those words)
[21:31] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[21:31] <Lunar_Lander> when was it recorded?
[21:31] <daveake> Cheers LL
[21:31] <Lunar_Lander> after felix said the stuff about dictatorship?
[21:31] <daveake> brb - got to make a pizza
[21:32] <fsphil> no this is on the program about the jump
[21:32] <Lunar_Lander> yea I mean if they recorded the interview just like days ag
[21:32] <Lunar_Lander> +o
[21:32] <fsphil> nah this was recorded ages ago
[21:32] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:33] <fsphil> they're doing a montage
[21:33] <jcoxon> how important is the case on a HX-1?
[21:34] <jcoxon> do we think it can be discarded?
[21:34] <eroomde> it's the rf can
[21:34] <fsphil> heatsink too
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[21:34] <eroomde> getting rid of it would be bad but you might get away with it
[21:34] <eroomde> on a well made pcb
[21:34] <eroomde> or if you keep it deparate from other stuff
[21:34] <Upu> you could probably get rid of it
[21:34] <Upu> its quite easy to take off
[21:34] <eroomde> maybe stick it in a foil sausage
[21:35] <Upu> thnking light weight APRS ?
[21:35] <jcoxon> Upu, perhaps...
[21:35] <Upu> :)
[21:35] <jcoxon> considering how light your pAva's are
[21:35] <jcoxon> we could add APRS
[21:36] <Upu> I'd leave the case on
[21:36] <Upu> the cases are smaller than the NTX2's on the HX1's
[21:36] <Upu> I'll weigh one tomorrow
[21:36] <Upu> but I doubt they are much
[21:37] <Upu> only trouble is they run at 5V
[21:37] <Upu> I was going to look for an RFM22B style chip for 2 meters
[21:37] <Upu> if one exists
[21:37] <Upu> also I've made a pava with a linear on it so should be able to do the RX stuff with no noise
[21:37] <Upu> or minimal noise
[21:38] <jcoxon> Upu, we could do 5v via solar perhaps
[21:39] <Upu> http://www.byonics.com/images/mt-8000fa.png <-
[21:39] <Upu> they exist
[21:39] <Upu> possibly yes
[21:39] <Upu> the cells I have top at 3.6V
[21:39] <gb73d> the radio dint work
[21:39] <Upu> but I guess you could run more
[21:39] <gb73d> we heard that
[21:40] <jcoxon> 2x 3.6v
[21:40] <eroomde> come on guys
[21:40] <Upu> and then some
[21:40] <eroomde> never inflate till everything else is working
[21:40] <eroomde> :)
[21:40] <fsphil> hah
[21:41] <jcoxon> what about http://www.radiometrix.com/content/tx1h
[21:42] <Upu> its not frequency agile
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[21:44] <jcoxon> we could get a 144.800 version
[21:44] <Upu> nah
[21:44] <Upu> min order 100
[21:44] <Upu> however
[21:44] <Upu> http://www.lemosint.com/radiometrix/radiometrix_details.php?itemID=555
[21:44] <Upu> whats inside that
[21:44] <navrac> si4464 chip
[21:44] <navrac> oh sorry - thats not whats inside - thats a chip that will do 144mhz
[21:46] <Upu> http://www.radiometrix.com/shx1-0
[21:46] <jcoxon> Upu, not really pico
[21:46] <Upu> no
[21:47] <eroomde> Phil, check your monitor
[21:47] <Upu> The HX1 has some benefits
[21:47] <eroomde> must remember that one fsphil
[21:47] <Upu> i.e I have them in stock
[21:48] <fsphil> the communications systems they used where awful
[21:48] <Upu> I can pull one apart tomorrow ifyou want James
[21:50] <jcoxon> lets weigh it first :-)
[21:50] <Upu> ok I'll weigh one tomorrow
[21:50] <Upu> I'll "deshell" it too and weigh it then
[21:51] <jcoxon> navrac, any boards wit hthe si4464?
[21:53] <Upu> http://www.bigredbee.com/blgps_2mhp.htm
[21:53] <Upu> whats that got on it
[21:53] <navrac> no - not for 144mhz - but AN629 gives the pcb layout and cct diagram and the calcs for component values
[21:54] <jcoxon> Upu, the guy who does that contacted me about advice regarding rfms etc
[21:54] <gb73d> he went supersonic and then spinned
[21:54] <gb73d> as I guessed
[21:55] <Upu> should find out whats in that module
[21:55] <jcoxon> he is working on it but not yet made anything
[21:55] <Upu> swap him the knowledge
[21:56] <jcoxon> hehe
[21:56] <navrac> upu should be able to lay out a si4464 chip :-) since the rfm chips are being discontinued
[21:56] <Upu> are they ?
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[21:57] <Upu> where did you get that info ?
[21:57] <navrac> yep from si - not to be used for new designs, emailed them for pricing on the chip si4432 and was told theey would not being any new runs after this year
[21:58] <Upu> right lets make something based on the new chip then :)
[21:58] <jcoxon> they'll be around for a while
[21:58] <fsphil> they edited that jump to remove felix's very long pauses
[21:58] <Randomskk> maybe they just seemed longer live ;)
[21:58] <navrac> theres plenty of stock around - but i warn you I#m currently looking at needing 40000 of them in may next year
[21:58] <Upu> lol
[21:58] <jcoxon> !!!
[21:58] <navrac> 4000 oops
[21:59] <jcoxon> navrac, i assume work related
[21:59] <jcoxon> rather than ozzie
[21:59] <navrac> possibly 10K, but ive got a provisional order for a design using them
[21:59] <jcoxon> hehe thats a lot of ozzies
[21:59] <navrac> no - its my world domination plan - circling the globe with picos
[21:59] <jcoxon> funny you should say that
[22:00] <navrac> sadly sall mine will be 868mhz
[22:01] <Upu> http://www.bigredbee.com/images/IMG_3914.JPG
[22:02] <Upu> power amp
[22:02] <Upu> and a.... something
[22:02] <Upu> is it that chip Randomskk was playing with ADF7012 ?
[22:02] <Randomskk> yes
[22:02] <navrac> looks like it could be
[22:02] <Randomskk> (it's what wombat uses)
[22:02] <Randomskk> looks possible. it's about the right size and an AD part
[22:03] <Randomskk> in fact I'm pretty sure it is?
[22:03] <Randomskk> I seem to remember reading a datasheet for the big red bee
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[22:03] <Randomskk> saying it was an adf7012
[22:03] <Randomskk> http://www.bigredbee.com/docs/BLGPS/beelineGPS_2meter.pdf
[22:03] <Randomskk> not going crazy
[22:03] <navrac> nowe just to guess the amplifier
[22:03] <Randomskk> ADF7012 on most of them
[22:03] <Randomskk> some of the 440MHz is CC0150
[22:04] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil, but I think Felix isn't that good anymore now that he said that dictatorship stuff
[22:04] <Randomskk> in fact when you search google for "big red bee adf7012"
[22:04] <Randomskk> two of the top six pages are #ha logs about us talking about how the adf7012 is used on the big red bee
[22:04] <Randomskk> :P
[22:07] <Upu> haha
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil, but I think Felix isn't that good anymore now that he said that dictatorship stuff
[22:12] <Upu> that Si4464 looks great navrac
[22:12] <navrac> good range
[22:12] <navrac> frequency that is
[22:13] <Upu> fancy a go at it ?
[22:13] <navrac> RA35H1516M - looks like a handy amplifier chip - not quite 144Mhz but I'm sure they'll be one in the right range
[22:14] <navrac> its the code for it that could be tricky, but if we limit it to a cw generator it should be easy
[22:15] <jcoxon> it still has a CW carrier
[22:15] <jcoxon> so we could implement rtty pretty quickly
[22:16] <navrac> well I can work out the register programming - but someone else can do the c++ rubbish
[22:16] <Upu> £1.44 each
[22:16] <jcoxon> i can
[22:16] <Laurenceb> navrac: what are you making with the si4432?
[22:16] <navrac> hmm -
[22:17] <navrac> 8 caps 4 inductors
[22:17] <navrac> and probably an rf switch
[22:17] <navrac> I've got a tame assember company who stuff boards very cheaply
[22:18] <Laurenceb> hmm 4464 looks nice, lower power draw and better sensitivty
[22:18] <Upu> runs at 1.8V too
[22:18] <navrac> and since you could effectivly put the chip directly on the breakout board
[22:19] <navrac> lots of tiny bits though
[22:19] <Upu> can do it
[22:20] <Upu> don't like it but can do it
[22:20] <navrac> i got round to testing those chinese rfm almost clones - slightly smaller - already have the rx and tx to the gpio lines tied otherwise basically its the same circuit - £3 in quantity
[22:21] <navrac> it might be worth taking a punt and paying a stuffer to build them, If I used them in my job for next year we could 'lose' the assembly cost in the job
[22:21] <Upu> sure they chinese will be making a board based on the SI4463
[22:21] <jcoxon> Upu, you'd expect
[22:21] <Upu> however if we make one we can be very specific about what goes on it
[22:21] <navrac> I'd have thought so
[22:23] <Upu> https://www.dropbox.com/s/0qc152c595854bn/4463-TCE30E915R.zip
[22:23] <Upu> reference design
[22:23] <gb73d> night
[22:23] <Upu> night
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[22:24] <Upu> dog walk time..bs
[22:27] <OZ1SKY_Brian> gn all
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[22:32] <navrac> lots of bits on that reference board that we dont need - including a 1watt 868MHz PA chip
[22:33] <SpeedEvil> NXP keeps offering me 100w plus 2.8GHz FETs.
[22:33] <SpeedEvil> samples
[22:33] <SpeedEvil> I kinda want to make a teeny microwave oven
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[22:40] <navrac> trying to work out what you would heat in tiny microwave
[22:40] <Randomskk> tiny meals
[22:40] <navrac> you could get a metal mug and make the worlds most dangerous self heating coffee mug
[22:40] <Upu> of interest
[22:41] <SpeedEvil> navrac: single teeny frozen stuff
[22:41] <SpeedEvil> basically a single donut
[22:41] <SpeedEvil> as part of a tin combi oven
[22:41] <SpeedEvil> tiny
[22:42] <SpeedEvil> I actually have a stainless bottle that I'm making into a solar kettle
[22:42] <SpeedEvil> ~3w heat leak
[22:43] <SpeedEvil> http://www.amazon.co.uk/lifebottle-500ml-Pink/dp/B005N8MWZ0/ref=sr_1_6?s=sports&ie=UTF8&qid=1348589675&sr=1-6
[22:44] <SpeedEvil> seemingly more heat leak at high temps
[22:44] <SpeedEvil> I need to graph it properly
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[23:01] <navrac> I've got it - an in car bacon buttie heater for daveakes 4x4
[23:05] <daveake> plan
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