highaltitude.log.20121028

[00:00] <m0psi> ?10.25 inc shipping
[00:01] <m0psi> the one you found is a better deal, by about x2 :-)
[00:02] <SpeedEvil> never dealt with either seller
[00:06] <m0psi> y, neither have i.
[00:06] <m0psi> time for bed
[00:07] <m0psi> nn
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[01:40] <shishu> question
[01:41] <shishu> how do we hold the parachute stationary when the balloon is floating
[01:51] <shishu> anyone here?
[01:52] <SpeedEvil> yes
[01:52] <SpeedEvil> what do you mean?
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[02:47] <sparkgap> hey
[02:48] <stilldavid> hiya sparkgap :)
[02:48] <sparkgap> hey there haha
[03:03] <sparkgap> I know I'm getting time zone lag here, but does anyone in here have experience running their payloads purely off solar power?
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[03:13] <SpeedEvil> sparkgap: it's a lot easier with battery backup
[03:13] <sparkgap> SpeedEvil, thats what we're doing for our next launch, I am testing the circuitry now
[03:13] <SpeedEvil> .1s of no power can screw your payload for most of a minute
[03:13] <SpeedEvil> as GPS relocks
[03:13] <sparkgap> load balances between solar and battery, and even can charge the batteries
[03:13] <sparkgap> our GPS have dedicated backup batteries, coin cells
[03:14] <SpeedEvil> depends on latitude, and day
[03:14] <sparkgap> we're going to record the power levels the whole time to the memory card and get some data on how well it works
[03:14] <SpeedEvil> and how much balloon. swings
[03:14] <sparkgap> I was just wondering if anyone had experience with it
[03:15] <SpeedEvil> vertical panels, you'll need at least four orthogonal, though one horizontal may work.
[03:15] <SpeedEvil> yes, a couple here have tried it
[03:15] <SpeedEvil> forget who
[03:15] <sparkgap> we have panels all across the top of the payload
[03:15] <sparkgap> a few square feet of PV cells
[03:15] <sparkgap> and we've taken measures to reduce our power consumption significantly
[03:17] <sparkgap> our last payload used the same arrangement, but the power system was more of an active switching circuit that would disconnect the panels and connect the batteries or the other way around depending on the solar voltages, but it was over complicated and we lost power during the ascent, according to the last voltage levels we received the power levels were stable, we think the power selector locked up and cut power to everything
[03:18] <SpeedEvil> ...
[03:18] <SpeedEvil> square feet?
[03:19] <sparkgap> yes
[03:19] <sparkgap> why?
[03:19] <SpeedEvil> that is an extremely late payload.
[03:19] <SpeedEvil> late
[03:19] <SpeedEvil> large
[03:20] <SpeedEvil> you're sure it's legal?
[03:20] <sparkgap> ah, its not too large I didn't think, and yes it is legal
[03:20] <sparkgap> I don't have the dimensions on hand, the box is over at my friends place out of state
[03:21] <sparkgap> its also a fairly light payload
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[04:56] <heathkid> is there a "how to" guide for how to get data from my payload to upload to any of the hab tracking sites?
[04:56] <heathkid> I've been reading and reading... and I'm so lost...
[05:00] <heathkid> I'd prefer to use APRS
[05:00] <heathkid> open to other options
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[05:30] <ca_> if i connect the box to the parachute and the balloon. balloon is on the top, parachute mid, and box bottom. how do i make the position of the parachute to be easily deployed after the burst?
[05:31] <ca_> anyone?
[05:32] <Darkside> have the paracute a fair way up the line, away from the payload
[05:32] <Darkside> and you have it in-line, already deployed
[05:32] <Darkside> when the balloon burst, the parachute will open
[05:32] <Darkside> http://pipe2.darklomax.org/pics/2012-10-07_Horus_29/Pages/25.html
[05:33] <Darkside> this is also another way of doing it
[05:33] <Darkside> but it risks getting the paracute tangled up witht he balloon line
[05:33] <Darkside> though that hasn't happened to us yet
[05:35] <ca_> that is so cool
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[05:35] <ca_> i might try other way
[05:35] <ca_> i put key rings to the 4 ends of the parachue lines
[05:36] <ca_> and connect them with fishing strings
[05:36] <ca_> with the rings
[05:37] <ca_> its gonna be one knit between the chu and the box and spreading 4 lines the each way
[05:37] <ca_> *to the box and the chu
[05:37] <ca_> does it make sense........?
[05:46] <ca_> uhhhhh
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[07:54] <jcoxon> morning all
[08:07] <jonsowman> morning
[08:18] <Upu> morning
[08:24] <Darkside> \o
[08:28] <MLow> mornin
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[08:41] <MLow> spaaaam
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[08:53] <fsphil> mornin! I think
[08:54] <navrac2> morning
[08:54] <fsphil> right so it is just coming up to 9am
[08:54] <fsphil> had to check :)
[08:56] <navrac2> yep I got confused, came stumbling down looked at the clock, sat at the computer and then went into the kitchenand thought i must have spent an hour at 10 minutes on the pc, but swore it was only 10
[08:57] <navrac2> somehow you can believe time just goes when you're browsing
[09:02] <Lucasbuck> ~morning
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[09:57] <jcoxon> wow freenode are really struggling
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[10:01] <Darkside> jcoxon: you made the australian WIA news
[10:01] <Darkside> http://www.wia.org.au/members/broadcast/wianews/display.php?file_id=wianews-2012-10-28
[10:07] <jcoxon> eek
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[10:08] <Darkside> hehe
[10:08] <jcoxon> must of come from amsat-uk
[10:08] <LazyLeopard> Thanks to Southgate... ;)
[10:09] <jcoxon> indeed
[10:09] <moriarty> shame what happened with BAE-EADS
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[10:11] <Darkside> BAE-EADS?
[10:13] <moriarty> British Aerospace, European Aeronautic Defense and Space
[10:13] <Darkside> what happened with them?
[10:14] <moriarty> where are you from?
[10:14] <Darkside> Australia
[10:14] <moriarty> ah
[10:14] <moriarty> right, a merger that did not go through
[10:14] <Darkside> so bad for the british econony?
[10:15] <Darkside> economy*
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[10:16] <moriarty> not so much in that vein, not as if anything could make the British economy worse at this juncture
[10:17] <moriarty> but that it could have become a serious contender to Boeing in the arena of defense and aerospace
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[11:27] <costyn> moring
[11:28] <costyn> coming live to you from my freezer $$HABANERO,137,00:34:29, 0.0000,+0.0000,0,0,6,-11,-7,3.36*96C7
[11:29] <costyn> it's in a ziploc bag, at least I hope that explains the -11 instead of a much colder -18 it should be
[11:29] <fsphil> you've a long way to go to get stuff from your freezer
[11:30] <costyn> hahaha
[11:30] <fsphil> good name, does it mean anything?
[11:30] <costyn> yea those flights to Nigeria aren't cheap either
[11:30] <Randomskk> didn't you know, freezers are more efficient in hot places
[11:30] <costyn> fsphil: nope, just a silly word that has
[11:30] <costyn> HAB in it ;)
[11:31] <costyn> didn't like the old title any more, and since this is my own project there's no naming by committee :)
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[11:31] <daveake> One or two have been $$LAUGHABLE
[11:31] <Randomskk> I see what you did there.
[11:32] <daveake> :)
[11:32] Action: costyn didn't
[11:32] <fsphil> oh dear
[11:32] <daveake> Just one of 293 English words containing "HAB"
[11:32] <costyn> but that rfm is one drifty little radio. started at 434.250 and I'm at 434.254 now
[11:33] <costyn> daveake: aha, I now see what you did also
[11:34] <daveake> Shame that some of mine have ended up $$UNREACHABLE
[11:34] <costyn> hehehe
[11:34] <fsphil> hehe, I just found a cable I've been looking for a few days, needed to power something that I've now lost
[11:34] <costyn> typical
[11:36] <costyn> so yea my tracker is ready to fly. http://imgur.com/a/aaJ4n#2 and http://imgur.com/a/aaJ4n#3 gonna piggyback on Tim's. Says he's ready with his electronics, hasto waith on the sponsor to provide their model
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[11:51] <number10> thats good costyn, when do you plan top fly?
[11:53] <MLow> twisty top straws, now thats classy
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[12:03] <navrac> if you pint the straws down a tiny bit towards the table to 120 degrees from vertical you will get a teensy tiny bit more gain.
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[12:04] <kristian_> Hi guys,
[12:04] <kristian_> involved in a ametuer weather balloon attempt to do with a collegee project.. looking for some advice on gps tracking
[12:04] <kristian_> ie
[12:04] <kristian_> best way to set it up, simplest way
[12:05] <kristian_> any advice would be greatly appreciated
[12:06] <Darkside> read the ukhas wiki
[12:06] <Darkside> http://ukhas.org.uk/general:beginners_guide_to_high_altitude_ballooning
[12:08] <kristian_> i have previously read this
[12:08] <Darkside> there is a lot of info on the UKHAS wiki about trackers
[12:08] <kristian_> is that the simplest and easiest way to track the balloon throughout its entire flight?
[12:08] <daveake> it's the best
[12:08] <SpeedEvil> no
[12:08] <Darkside> well the simplest is to stick a GSM tracker on it and hope like hell it has phone coverage
[12:08] <daveake> best <> simplest
[12:09] <SpeedEvil> use a string,
[12:09] <LazyLeopard> Depends where in the world youu are...
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[12:09] <Darkside> the best way is to use some kind of radio based tracking, be it APRS or RTTY, like we use
[12:09] <SpeedEvil> in some cases, ...
[12:09] <Darkside> another option is a SPOT tracker
[12:09] <Darkside> they are quite reliable
[12:10] <Darkside> though if it lands upside down it won't work
[12:10] <LazyLeopard> ...with emphasis on the "quite" ;)
[12:10] <kristian_> okay thanks for the help
[12:10] <LazyLeopard> kristian_: Where in the world are you?
[12:10] <kristian_> england
[12:10] <kristian_> will be launching the balloon in north wales
[12:10] <SpeedEvil> then spot, or the TTY scheme is about it
[12:11] <LazyLeopard> Right. Then the UKHAS tracker route is definitely the way to go.
[12:11] <SpeedEvil> you do have permiasion?
[12:12] <kristian_> yes a window is going to be arranged to launch them around may next year
[12:13] <SpeedEvil> k, thwr have been people coming in saying 'launching next week', and not realising that
[12:13] <kristian_> so using a radio, antenna, reciever software etc. is the best and most effective route to go? and not to difficult to set up?
[12:14] <SpeedEvil> it isn't too bad, and can be fairly incremental
[12:14] <SpeedEvil> you can teat most n the ground
[12:14] <SpeedEvil> and of course, you can track other balloons till then
[12:14] <SpeedEvil> test
[12:15] <kristian_> Okay thanks
[12:15] <kristian_> ebay the recommended place to get all the equipment?
[12:16] <daveake> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/
[12:16] <daveake> ^^ best place
[12:16] <SpeedEvil> basically
[12:16] <SpeedEvil> well, that that too
[12:16] <SpeedEvil> actually
[12:16] <SpeedEvil> are the RTL thingies ready for primetime?
[12:17] <Darkside> with the HABAmp, they work well
[12:17] <kristian_> okay, on a tight budget so looking for the cheapest possible route
[12:17] <SpeedEvil> radio can always be resold at the end.
[12:17] <Darkside> tight budget + ballooning doesn't go well
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[12:31] <costyn> number10: within a few weeks I'm guessing, Tim hasn't given me a lot of deatils on the planning :)
[12:31] <costyn> navrac: do you mean point them upwards or downwards (if the active element of the antenna is pointing downwards)
[12:32] <navrac> as it is in the picture towards the table
[12:32] <navrac> or away from the driven element
[12:32] <navrac> turn the straws round and use the flexi bit to angle them down :-)
[12:33] <Randomskk> ideally antenna should look like
[12:33] <Randomskk> -<=====
[12:33] <Randomskk> where ==== is the cable
[12:33] <Randomskk> and - is the driven welement
[12:33] <Randomskk> and < are the radials
[12:33] <costyn> navrac: ok, thanks
[12:33] <Darkside> or you build your antenna into the box
[12:33] <costyn> Randomskk: what angle ?
[12:33] <Darkside> costyn: 90 degrees is fine
[12:33] <Darkside> or angled back a bit
[12:34] <Randomskk> ideally around 45 degrees
[12:34] <Randomskk> like -<
[12:34] <Randomskk> for a 50 ohm match
[12:34] <Randomskk> >_>
[12:34] <navrac> hey darkside - good news txing nicely at 125bps
[12:34] <Randomskk> 90 degrees works though, it's not the end of the world
[12:34] <Darkside> http://pipe2.darklomax.org/pics/2012-10-07_Horus_29/Pages/26.html
[12:34] <Darkside> navrac: rxing fine?
[12:34] <navrac> bad news - not receiving at 125bps...
[12:34] <Darkside> ahh
[12:34] <Darkside> i thought that'd be a problem
[12:35] <Darkside> the payload in that pic has been flown about 15 times now
[12:35] <Darkside> 25mW, 300 baud RTTY
[12:35] <Darkside> worked well every time
[12:35] <Randomskk> https://www.dropbox.com/s/i2znaksjsi68jxs/2012-10-10%2019.17.29.jpg
[12:35] <Randomskk> antenna at the bottom
[12:35] <Randomskk> just about
[12:35] <Randomskk> so, 90 degrees will work
[12:35] <navrac> there are a few variables that need a tweak on -wasnt sure if i'd get away with zero in some of them - so time to keep playing
[12:35] <Randomskk> 45 degrees is a better 50 ohm match
[12:36] <Darkside> Randomskk: is that a PL259..
[12:36] <costyn> Darkside: I'll angle them slightly upwards, but since theyre straws they won't hold their shape very well
[12:36] <navrac> it sounds much nicer and much less bandwidth
[12:36] <Randomskk> Darkside: haha yes
[12:36] <Darkside> good lord
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[12:36] <Randomskk> made a handy centrepiece
[12:36] <Darkside> the antenna would have weighed heaps
[12:36] <Randomskk> yea I know
[12:36] <Darkside> we always build our antennas into our payloads
[12:36] <Randomskk> we had it lying around from an old apex flight or something
[12:36] <Randomskk> Darkside: you'l note this particular payload lacks somewhat in the "place to build an antenna in" department
[12:36] <Randomskk> (you've seen our normal payloads, you know what they look like)
[12:37] <Darkside> hehe
[12:37] <Darkside> http://pipe2.darklomax.org/pics/2012-10-07_Horus_29/Pages/19.html
[12:37] <Randomskk> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuspaceflight/7025377997
[12:37] <Darkside> thats the cutdown payloads antenna
[12:37] <Randomskk> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuspaceflight/6874749230
[12:37] <Darkside> note the dodgy ground radials
[12:37] <Darkside> still worked fine for uplink and downlink, though we did notive the radiation pattern was further out to the horizon
[12:37] <Darkside> notice*
[12:38] <Darkside> needed to raise power to 10W to ping it from below (with a gain antenna, which wouldn't have helped)
[12:39] <Darkside> i really need to make up some kind of on-pcb phasing network for a 70cm cross dipole
[12:40] <Darkside> there should be a way to do the 90 degree phase shift without 90 degrees of coax
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[13:03] <DrLuke> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnT26vyqzJ8
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[13:23] <fsphil> that was not nominal
[13:25] <DrLuke> yeah
[13:26] <RG-lz1dev> rent a hangar with the pile of cash and test it there
[13:26] <DrLuke> it's a bit nose-heavy
[13:26] <DrLuke> haha
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[13:54] <signaleleven> The fifth flight of Stratospera (www.stratospera.com) has landed :)
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[14:44] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[14:45] <RG-lz1dev> hello ll
[14:45] <AdamO> hi
[14:47] <sparkgap> hello all
[14:47] Action: sparkgap is the new guy
[14:47] <Upu> welcome aboard
[14:47] <Lunar_Lander> hi sparkgap
[14:48] <AdamO> hello there
[14:48] <Lunar_Lander> AdamO, and RG-lz1dev are also new I think?
[14:48] <Upu> no RG-lz1dev isn't new :)
[14:48] <RG-lz1dev> aka MrScienceMan
[14:48] <AdamO> I've been here a month or so
[14:48] <sparkgap> hey guys, my friends and I are working on our third payload for launching in a few months
[14:48] <sparkgap> payload #1 was a success, payload #2 failed early in the mission and wasn't recovered :( we have high hopes for #3 though
[14:49] <RG-lz1dev> hey Upu, who made the burst3 calculator?
[14:49] <Upu> err CUSF ?
[14:49] <Upu> I think
[14:49] <Randomskk> burst3?
[14:49] <Randomskk> http://cusf.co.uk/calc (and the calculator thus embedded into habhub.org/predict) is by CUSF
[14:49] <Randomskk> but the burst1a.xls spreadsheet that predates it is by steve randall
[14:50] <RG-lz1dev> there is a burst3 sheet
[14:50] <Randomskk> I have no idea what that is :P
[14:50] <Upu> oh Steve Randall for that one
[14:50] <Upu> I think
[14:50] <Randomskk> I imagine so
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[14:51] <SP9UOB> hi all
[14:51] <SP9UOB> i have question about RTTY telemetry protocol
[14:52] <sparkgap> so, whats the general consensus or solar power? we're trying it (again) for this payload, we suspect our power system was overcomplicated on #2 and thats what took it out, so we're going simpler this time around
[14:52] <Upu> hi Tomasz
[14:52] <SP9UOB> in RTTY baudot alphabet there is no * (star) character
[14:52] <SP9UOB> hi UPU
[14:52] <Upu> thats correct
[14:52] <Upu> Someone else used this
[14:53] <Upu> can't recall how they got round that
[14:53] <Upu> fsphil ?
[14:53] <fsphil> we replaced another characteer with * in hab-mode
[14:53] <SP9UOB> so - is there posibility to change the * to other char ad checksum delimiter - to be ba
[14:53] <fsphil> which I can't remember right now....
[14:53] <SP9UOB> to be baudot compatille
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[14:53] <Randomskk> SP9UOB: yea I think people used # or something else annoying
[14:54] <Randomskk> it makes life a bit fussier and you have to have a filter on your payload in habitat
[14:54] <SP9UOB> many hams talk to me so i used "incompatible - no ham like" modulation
[14:54] <fsphil> although I don't see it in the code now
[14:54] <Randomskk> fsphil: oh, does dl-fldigi do it now? but the checksum..?
[14:54] <Randomskk> I don't think it does it
[14:54] <Randomskk> I think it was after dl-fldigi
[14:54] <Randomskk> but could be wrong
[14:54] <fsphil> dl-fldigi did
[14:54] <Randomskk> okay
[14:54] <Randomskk> I see
[14:54] <Randomskk> :/
[14:54] <fsphil> we added it for tims flights
[14:54] <Randomskk> baudot. ugh.
[14:54] <fsphil> but I don't see it now
[14:55] <fsphil> SP9UOB: just use ascii 7-bit :)
[14:55] <SP9UOB> fsphil: still incompatible - old plain HAM RTTy used 5 bit baudot code
[14:55] <SP9UOB> uses
[14:55] <jcoxon> SP9UOB, i don't see the advantage of switching to baudot
[14:56] <fsphil> baudot has other disadvantages too
[14:56] <SP9UOB> jcoxon: me too, but there is bunch of old HAMS here ;-)
[14:56] <Randomskk> well I mean it is _better_ than 7bit ascii in almost every respect that matters
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[14:56] <Randomskk> for us
[14:56] <fsphil> it has two separate character sets, and if it switches between them by mistake it goes all wrong
[14:56] <Randomskk> but it's a faff because we don't generally use it
[14:56] <Randomskk> also that
[14:56] <Randomskk> huh.
[14:56] <Randomskk> that's stupid.
[14:56] <jcoxon> SP9UOB, hmmm
[14:56] <fsphil> SP9UOB: every single bit of software for rtty will handle 7-bit
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[14:56] <SP9UOB> anyway, Im writing now psk31 tracker code :-)
[14:57] <Randomskk> fsphil: not strictly true
[14:57] <fsphil> * that I've used ... ;)
[14:57] <Randomskk> e.g. the icom ic-7000 has a builtin rtty demod, with sexy IF filters for rtty
[14:57] <Randomskk> but only works at a specific baud rate and shift baudot
[14:57] <fsphil> it only does baudot?
[14:57] <Randomskk> what were they thinking
[14:57] <jcoxon> SP9UOB, i say - don't give into them
[14:57] <Randomskk> can't configure shift, baud or encoding. or anything.
[14:58] <fsphil> shame that
[14:58] <Randomskk> yea
[14:58] <SP9UOB> Randomskk: ic7000 does only baudot
[14:58] <fsphil> I heard it could decode rtty, didn't realise it was limited like that
[14:58] <oh7lzb> ic-7400 has it configurable I think.
[14:58] <jcoxon> SP9UOB, it must be easier to get a few old-hams to upgrade then role out a whole new dl-fldigi
[14:58] <oh7lzb> (and ic-746pro, which is the same)
[15:00] <SP9UOB> jcoxon: im working on psk31 now. Im little affraid of tx frequency stability - but will se :-)
[15:00] <fsphil> psk31 would be very cool
[15:01] <jcoxon> SP9UOB, the nice thing about dl-fldigi is that it can cope with anything that fldigi can decode
[15:01] <jcoxon> (apart from if it doesn't have the chars :-) like baudot)
[15:01] <Upu> fsphil developed HATTY
[15:02] <SP9UOB> jcoxon: i know but some people for some reasons wont install dl-fldigi, ie they event dosent know about existence of dl-fldigi
[15:03] <jcoxon> SP9UOB, yeah i know
[15:03] <SP9UOB> when my balloon was spotted on dx-cluster they didnt know how to decode
[15:03] <jcoxon> SP9UOB, add a bit of CW with details :-p
[15:04] <RG-lz1dev> hahA
[15:04] <SP9UOB> so im looking for something "more compatible" for future tests on HF
[15:04] <SP9UOB> jcoxon: :-))
[15:04] <RG-lz1dev> go CW :P
[15:04] <jcoxon> every 10mins do a string of CW
[15:04] <SP9UOB> RG-lz1dev: not so good for automatic decoding
[15:05] <jcoxon> with details
[15:05] <jcoxon> yeah don't do automatic cw decode
[15:05] <jcoxon> yuk
[15:05] <jcoxon> shopping time bbl
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[15:52] <fsphil> any word on stilldavid's launch?
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[15:56] <sparkgap> fsphil, I believe it was rather successful
[15:56] <x-f> he tweeted that it was recovered
[15:57] <fsphil> ah excellent
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[16:42] <edmozley> hi everyone - I have ordered most of the parts for this radio transmitter setup http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2#items_required
[16:43] <edmozley> the only thing I am having problems with is tracking down the resistors - I've just come from Maplin and they don't have the resistors I need and was wondering if anyone could recommend anywhere else?
[16:43] <Randomskk> maplin should have like, a kit that contains a very many resistors
[16:43] <daveake> Maplin will definitely have them
[16:43] <Randomskk> but consider www.rapidonline.com
[16:44] <daveake> You don't have to use the exact values shown ... you'll just get a different frequency shift
[16:44] <daveake> get a kit
[16:44] <daveake> then you can tweak the values to get a particular shift, if you want
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[16:47] <edmozley> thanks I will check that site. Daveake - thanks that is good to know. I think once I've got the receiver and the software running I'll have a better undertstanding of how the resistors affect the shift. I just don't want to use the wrong resistors that causes the parts I've bought to blow!
[16:48] <daveake> That won't happen
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[16:55] <edmozley> great thanks that's good to know! and just one more question if I may... I've just done a quick search and can see some 47k resistors are 0.5W and some are 2W. Do I go for the 0.5W ones?
[16:55] <Randomskk> yea
[16:56] <daveake> 0.25W would be fine too
[16:56] <edmozley> great thanks! hopefully one day I will look back at these questions and be amazed at how basic they are but for the time being I am just finding my way a small step at a time :)
[17:01] <Lunar_Lander> oh man
[17:01] <Lunar_Lander> this exercise is either unsolvable or the hydrogen orbit energies are imaginary
[17:01] <Lunar_Lander> but if they were we wouldn't be here
[17:03] <edmozley> thanks for the pointers everyone - I have bought this kit
[17:03] <edmozley> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B007XEIALW/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00
[17:07] <Upu> those are always useful
[17:09] <Upu> have you got an NTX2 edmozley ?
[17:10] <edmozley> Hi Upu yep I got one from amazon which should arrive quite soon but I ordered the USB receiver from your site as you have been amazingly helpful! :)
[17:11] <Randomskk> amazon carry ntx2?
[17:12] <daveake> http://www.amazon.co.uk/RADIOMETRIX-NTX2-434-650-10-Transmitter-434-65MHZ-10MW/dp/B0084DP4CY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1351444310&sr=8-1
[17:12] <daveake> ouch
[17:12] <Lunar_Lander> man what a price
[17:13] <Lunar_Lander> that's almost as unbelievable as the homework task I mentioned
[17:13] <edmozley> Upu - needless to say as amazon was 8 quid more than you I will be coming to you in future wherever possible!
[17:14] <Upu> and then some :)
[17:14] <eroomde> "I'm here in an angry capacity"
[17:15] <eroomde> a line I shall have to use myself
[17:15] <eroomde> (the thick of it)
[17:16] <Randomskk> I need to finish watching that
[17:16] <Randomskk> I have the whole box set :/
[17:18] <edmozley> just one more question before I sign off - does the ntx2 need to be used with an antenna or do I just plug the antenna into my usb radio receiver? I am just not sure if the ntx2 is inside a load of insulation inside my capsule that is going up in the sky then maybe I need an antenna coming out of the bottom to beam data back to my laptop at ground level...
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[17:19] <Lunar_Lander> antennas are good
[17:19] <fsphil> you absolutly need an antenna
[17:19] <Lunar_Lander> edmozley, for example here http://www.timzaman.com/?p=1888&lang=en
[17:23] <edmozley> lunar_lander + fsphil thanks that is good to know. I will get reading up on that. My initial testing will be from one side of my sitting room to the other but good to know I will need this! For my laptop Upu very kindly recommended this one http://www.radioworld.co.uk/catalog/mr-77s_sma_diamond_2m_70cm_70w_50cm_long_black_metal_whip_magmount-p-2055.html?osCsid=8e8d601a68901836b53f3e66f8a1ec30
[17:25] <fsphil> this one is cheaper: http://cpc.farnell.com/watson/wsm-270/wsm-270-mini-mag-antenna/dp/IT44456
[17:25] <fsphil> although cpc have a minimum order thing
[17:27] <griffonbot> Received email: Adam Dunville "[UKHAS] Payload colour choice"
[17:27] <eroomde> i hope this is a joke
[17:27] Action: fsphil holds Upu back
[17:27] <fsphil> looks real eroomde
[17:27] <Randomskk> eroomde: yea that's what I was thinking as my fingers clicked 'approve'
[17:28] <eroomde> what if the payload lands on a bike shed
[17:28] <eroomde> there will be some kind of singularity
[17:28] <eroomde> earth would implode
[17:28] <Randomskk> better email back and let him know that.
[17:28] <Randomskk> on the mailing list ideally.
[17:28] <fsphil> the only good colour is transparent
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[17:29] <eroomde> i simply cannot answer this
[17:29] <Laurenceb_> pmsl
[17:29] <Lunar_Lander> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugyezfjxeek
[17:29] <Lunar_Lander> that's PMS and "I don't understand the question"
[17:30] <Randomskk> eroomde: same, there's no pink!
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[17:31] <Lunar_Lander> well, red is recognized as danger, green is the second in line for "not dangerous" only superseded by white
[17:31] <Lunar_Lander> that is what I once read in a railway research report
[17:31] <eroomde> why were you reading a ra...
[17:31] <eroomde> infact nevermind
[17:31] <Laurenceb_> dunville more like dunceville
[17:31] <Randomskk> be nice
[17:32] <eroomde> i do wonder what this has to do with an EE degree
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[17:32] <Randomskk> dissertation project, no less
[17:32] <Randomskk> maybe I should be conducting this kind of research
[17:32] <Randomskk> "which of these potential project names do you think is most likely to attract you to supervise the project? please answer"
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[17:32] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[17:32] <Lunar_Lander> that almost sounds like a GLaDOS question
[17:33] <Randomskk> "do you think this green fluorescent protein is prettier than the yellow?"
[17:33] <eroomde> don;t ask me
[17:33] <eroomde> ask the public
[17:33] <eroomde> it's their reaction you care about
[17:33] <Lunar_Lander> Randomskk, eroomde http://xkcd.com/877/
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[17:38] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Aerospace "Re: [UKHAS] Payload colour choice"
[17:39] <eroomde> actual LOL
[17:39] <daveake> "Q3: Do you think this questionaire os stupid?"
[17:39] <daveake> i
[17:40] <DanielRichman> It's good to know that our community has become a real force in the hab world... to the extent that we are the experts on payload colour choice
[17:40] <daveake> We even have a motto ... Think Pink
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[17:40] <RG-lz1dev> it doesn't just matter that you go up and come down, but do it in style
[17:41] <eroomde> I feel like this thread is the first sign that the mayans might have been right
[17:41] <eroomde> daveake: rhyming sayins on matters of best colour are not allowed
[17:41] <eroomde> cheating
[17:41] Action: daveake puts in permission for 21st Dec 2012
[17:42] <DanielRichman> Besides. Once I'd got over the shock of an EE degree asking this question, I noticed that all it says is "build a payload". I hope there's more to it than that
[17:42] <griffonbot> Received email: John Tanner "Re: [UKHAS] Payload colour choice"
[17:42] <DanielRichman> or I'll be off to collect my EE degree at whatever institution this is
[17:42] <daveake> The University Of Prime Colours
[17:42] <RG-lz1dev> :D
[17:43] <daveake> Probably an ex Poly(styrene)technic
[17:44] <RG-lz1dev> i find the colour choice too limited
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[17:51] <griffonbot> Received email: Ed Moore "Re: [UKHAS] Payload colour choice"
[17:51] <LazyLeopard> Pink!
[17:51] <SpeedEvil> octarine
[17:55] <Lunar_Lander> eroomde, cool xD
[17:55] <Lunar_Lander> SpeedEvil, is that a colour too?
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[17:56] <SpeedEvil> the colour of magic
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[17:57] <W0OTM> hello world
[17:57] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[17:57] <RG-lz1dev> segmentation fault
[18:00] <LazyLeopard> core dumped
[18:03] <griffonbot> Received email: Ed Moore "Re: [UKHAS] Payload colour choice"
[18:03] <griffonbot> Received email: Adam Dunville "Re: [UKHAS] Payload colour choice"
[18:07] <Lunar_Lander> eroomde, "The whole process of doing a high altitude balloon will be paralysingly slow if you have to do this at every stage."
[18:07] <Lunar_Lander> you are very correct
[18:10] <eroomde> thank you
[18:12] <Lunar_Lander> you are welcome
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[18:13] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Aerospace "Re: [UKHAS] Payload colour choice"
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[18:42] <navrac> ping darkside
[19:03] <gb73d> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html
[19:03] <gb73d> something landing soon
[19:04] <gb73d> http://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/spacex-dragon-cargo-ship-departs-international-space-station-for-earth-1.1013941
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[19:16] <jcoxon> evening all
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[19:26] <jcoxon> ping daveake
[19:26] <daveake> pung
[19:26] <jcoxon> what was the weather like when you launched picobuzz?
[19:26] <daveake> windy, foggy
[19:27] <daveake> Not ideal
[19:28] <jcoxon> the reason i ask is that i was just about to write up pico's last flight
[19:28] <jcoxon> and the flight profile of picobuzz reminded me a bit of
[19:28] <jcoxon> http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/projects:picoatlas:picoatlasvi#flight_24_12_11
[19:30] <daveake> Yeah, mine had 1 float for (IIRC) 1 hour @ 3.6km, then dropped to 2.6km and floated again
[19:34] <jcoxon> i think to get max performance out of these balloons it needs to be cloudless
[19:34] <griffonbot> Received email: Adam Dunville "Re: [UKHAS] Payload colour choice"
[19:37] <daveake> Very likely
[19:37] <jcoxon> i wonder if thats what happened to Picoatlas
[19:38] <jcoxon> it cooled and descended
[19:38] <jcoxon> and got wet
[19:45] <griffonbot> Received email: Ed Moore "Re: [UKHAS] Payload colour choice"
[19:46] <daveake> eroomde B.HAB (Hons) shirley?
[19:46] <eroomde> stop calling me shirley
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[19:46] <daveake> roger#
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[19:53] <griffonbot> Received email: MikeB "Re: [UKHAS] Payload colour choice"
[20:15] <griffonbot> Received email: Adam Dunville "Re: [UKHAS] Payload colour choice"
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[20:27] <griffonbot> Received email: navrac "[UKHAS] Re: Payload colour choice"
[20:30] <RG-lz1dev> payload colouring is becoming quite the topic
[20:33] <eroomde> i wish it wouldn't this is painfully close to 'what colour do we paint the bike shed?'
[20:33] <jcoxon> ping navrac
[20:33] <eroomde> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson's_Law_of_Triviality
[20:35] <RG-lz1dev> thats funny
[20:35] <navrac2> hi jcoxon
[20:35] <jcoxon> so
[20:35] <RG-lz1dev> i've been involved in software development
[20:35] <cuddykid> tbh, I wouldn't be surprised if he was marked down for not going into stupid irrelevant detail regarding the colour of the payload - coursework stuff is often ridiculous
[20:35] <jcoxon> finally got a working pair of rfm22s
[20:35] <RG-lz1dev> and this is the first time i heard of that eroomde
[20:35] <eroomde> you'll see it everywhere now :)
[20:36] <RG-lz1dev> :(
[20:36] <RG-lz1dev> thats like the blue/orange colour one in movie posters
[20:36] <navrac2> oh well done - i spent the day trying different codes to lower the transmission rate etc to discover none of them worked - including the original settings due to a fault on the pcb :-(
[20:37] <jcoxon> i've had to solder up my last rfm22
[20:37] <jcoxon> :-p
[20:37] <navrac2> so no progress...
[20:37] <jcoxon> so i've got it tx'ing rtty and then gfsk
[20:37] <cuddykid> still waiting on my next batch of rfms
[20:37] <navrac2> but theres always toorrow
[20:37] <cuddykid> been months
[20:38] <navrac2> its quite reqarding when they talk though isnt it
[20:38] <Upu> where are you ordering them from ?
[20:39] <jcoxon> navrac2, mine don't seem to be terribly reliable
[20:39] <navrac2> retransmission is essential
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[20:40] <navrac2> bear in mind that you are txing at 2500 baud with no aerials and a barn door of a front end
[20:41] <Upu> oh nice tip daveake passed on from you navrac
[20:41] <Upu> using register 0x73 to adjust the frequency up
[20:41] <Upu> much much quicker
[20:43] <jcoxon> navrac2, the drift when switching back to rtty is painful
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[20:43] <navrac2> yep i prefere that technique, the set frequency is hit and miss - if you choose the wrong tx freq the shift can be different from what you expect
[20:43] <Upu> well I couldn't do 600 baud RTTY (just playing) by using set frequency
[20:43] <Upu> using the register it works fine
[20:44] <navrac2> then some heatsink compound and the head of a bolt on top of the rfm
[20:44] <cuddykid> Upu: proto-pic are sending me them foc
[20:44] <Upu> oh ok fair enough
[20:44] <navrac2> 624
[20:44] <cuddykid> last I heard was they got held up at Stansted
[20:45] <navrac2> the second doc i sent jcoxon solves that!
[20:45] <navrac2> I must put it up on the wiki - one day
[20:48] <griffonbot> Received email: Adam Dunville "[UKHAS] Re: Payload colour choice"
[20:49] <eroomde> "Thermal Management Is An Issue" is like a stray dog in hab
[20:49] <eroomde> you shoo it away
[20:49] <eroomde> it keeps coming back
[20:49] <eroomde> and it's smelly and stupid
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[21:03] <griffonbot> Received email: navrac "[UKHAS] Re: Payload colour choice"
[21:03] <griffonbot> Received email: Ed Moore "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Payload colour choice"
[21:04] <navrac2> oh dear - please can we have a separate discussion group...
[21:05] <eroomde> lol
[21:05] <eroomde> yes
[21:05] <eroomde> the chatty email list
[21:05] <eroomde> we needs it
[21:05] <eroomde> whoever is actioning it
[21:08] <Randomskk> yea
[21:08] <Randomskk> we were nearly ready with it
[21:08] <Randomskk> then lots of valid points were raised
[21:08] <Randomskk> then term started?
[21:08] <Randomskk> I keep poking jonsowman about doing it
[21:08] <Randomskk> and he keeps agreeing that we should really do it soon
[21:08] <Randomskk> then we have some work to do or something
[21:08] <Randomskk> so
[21:08] <Randomskk> real soon now
[21:08] <jcoxon_> navrac2, how do we turn on darkside's fabled AFC?
[21:09] <navrac2> I think the only issue is the level of moderation - the core concept of two groups isnt a problem
[21:09] <Randomskk> yes agreed
[21:09] <navrac2> fabled afc? LOL
[21:09] <Randomskk> my initial plan had perhaps less stringent moderation
[21:09] <Randomskk> well
[21:09] <navrac2> its standard - its more work to turn it off!
[21:09] <Randomskk> that's not true. it had different moderation
[21:09] <Randomskk> anyway
[21:09] <Randomskk> soon
[21:10] <navrac2> jcoxon: by default the afc is enabled on the rfm for gfsk - there are tweaks you can do to widen it - but it isnt necessary
[21:11] <navrac2> it has a nice system where it starts with a wide bandwidth, retunes and then narrows the bandwidth
[21:12] <jcoxon_> so my relay system is taking shape
[21:14] <navrac2> yep
[21:14] <griffonbot> Received email: Adam Dunville "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Payload colour choice"
[21:14] <navrac2> although it still sounds mad - but im in!
[21:14] <Randomskk> eroomde: this sounds like a terrible project system
[21:15] <jcoxon_> so the relay payload now when it rx's a string changes freq and transmits it in rtty
[21:16] <navrac2> yep sounds good
[21:16] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Aerospace "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Payload colour choice"
[21:18] <eroomde> Randomskk: he doesn't seem to realise how these things work
[21:18] <eroomde> design first
[21:18] <eroomde> justify a posteriori
[21:18] <eroomde> that way you can devide through to get optimal priors
[21:19] <Randomskk> bayes saves the day again
[21:19] <Randomskk> but, yes
[21:20] <Randomskk> nothing would ever get done if you tried to justify it all beforehand
[21:23] <navrac2> reminds me of the douglas adams book where the guy makes his money from a program where you make the decision and the program works out the logical arguments that support it
[21:24] <eroomde> the funny thing is
[21:24] <eroomde> that doesn;t even sound like the kind of satire i suspect it was meant as
[21:24] <eroomde> you genuinelly could build a whole consultancy around such a concept
[21:25] <navrac2> hey its how i make my money...
[21:25] <eroomde> management consultant?
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[21:26] <navrac2> we should get the guy onto this channel to set him straight - i think hes taking what we say a bit seriously
[21:27] <Randomskk> oh god no
[21:27] <griffonbot> Received email: Adam Dunville "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Payload colour choice"
[21:27] <Randomskk> not gantt chartgs
[21:27] <Randomskk> he's using gantt charts in his concept stage because he's not yet in the design stage?
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[21:30] <W0OTM> hello world
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[21:32] <eroomde> W0OTM-iPhone: hey
[21:32] <eroomde> what kinda phone do you use?
[21:32] <eroomde> i was just interested
[21:32] <eroomde> cos i'm interested in that kinda thing
[21:33] <W0OTM> LMAO
[21:33] <eroomde> :p
[21:33] <W0OTM> http://www.ihabproject.com/iHAB-8/Media/IMG_0764.jpg
[21:33] <W0OTM> Im starting to post photos of the launch yesturday
[21:34] <eroomde> can we ban 'gantt chart' from the new list then?
[21:34] <eroomde> as a restricted word
[21:34] <eroomde> W0OTM-iPhone: just loading it
[21:34] <eroomde> it seems quite a substantial pic :)
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[21:35] <Upu> yup
[21:35] <Upu> either than or you need more bandwidths
[21:35] <Upu> so far I see sky
[21:35] <W0OTM> its a big photo
[21:35] <navrac2> we can get griffonbot to kick and ban at the first mention of g*ntt
[21:35] <RG-lz1dev> cant anyone help me out here
[21:35] <W0OTM> :)
[21:35] <RG-lz1dev> what was the name of the expriment with the train
[21:35] <RG-lz1dev> where one train is stantioned at the platform and the other moving
[21:35] <RG-lz1dev> the observer cant tell which one
[21:36] <eroomde> not sure i know which one you mean. The only times i've come across this kind of thing is when someone is about to try and explain relativity to me
[21:36] <eroomde> W0OTM-iPhone: very jealous of your command trailor
[21:36] <eroomde> it looks really smart
[21:36] <W0OTM> eroomde: lol
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[21:37] <W0OTM> eroomde: thanks
[21:37] <fsphil> it needs a bar
[21:37] <eroomde> lol yes
[21:37] <eroomde> the only thing missing
[21:37] <eroomde> on a pulldown shelf on the outside
[21:37] <eroomde> that you can lean against jautily with a drink
[21:40] <daveake> And a cooler for the drinks
[21:40] <Upu> daveake you have some competition
[21:41] <Upu> W0OTM whats the loud speaker for on the roof ?
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[21:41] <navrac2> health and safety 'danger falling objects'
[21:41] <Upu> not staying online it seems
[21:42] <daveake> Upu I nearly bought one of those tables - Costco have them
[21:42] <daveake> Think I will
[21:43] <daveake> And cut a hole in the top so the payload aerial can poke thru
[21:43] <Upu> yeah will be useful
[21:43] <Upu> My new payload holder is a coffee cup
[21:43] <daveake> :)
[21:44] <daveake> http://www.daveakerman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/IMG_3653-e1337709663304-768x1024.jpg
[21:44] <eroomde> :)
[21:45] <Upu> haha beaten
[21:47] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Aerospace "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Payload colour choice"
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[21:47] <RG-lz1dev> where do you get the egg shapped styrofoam?
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[21:48] <SAIDias> egg shapped styrofoam?
[21:48] Nick change: SAIDias -> W0OTM
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[21:48] <daveake> yep
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[21:49] <RG-lz1dev> leaving without providing an answer
[21:49] <RG-lz1dev> so mysterious
[21:50] <daveake> finger trouble. what was the question?
[21:50] <RG-lz1dev> egg shaped styrofoam
[21:51] <daveake> I said "yep"
[21:51] <RG-lz1dev> how does one go about to acquire it?
[21:51] <daveake> shops
[21:51] <daveake> Craft stores, ebay
[21:51] <jcoxon_> navrac2, oooo i added a ground line to the rx antenna, much happier now
[21:51] <RG-lz1dev> ha, facepalm
[21:52] <RG-lz1dev> didnt realize that egg shaped styrofoam is just common
[21:52] <daveake> It is
[21:52] <daveake> and balls
[21:52] <daveake> Other shapes are available but probably not much use
[21:53] <RG-lz1dev> apperantly, a whole range of shapes
[21:53] <navrac2> I used a cone - quite pretty
[21:53] <daveake> Perhaps if you ask on the list about which shape is best accepted by the public ......
[21:53] <daveake> :p
[21:53] <RG-lz1dev> haha, i was just contemplating that
[21:54] <RG-lz1dev> wonder if they do klein bottles
[21:54] <navrac2> jcoxon_ get the server to return the rssi so you can see the signal strength use lastRSSI and also get it to return the background rssi
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[21:57] <jcoxon_> lastRssi gives me 161
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[21:58] <navrac2> theres a chart in the datasheet which shows what that is in dbm -
[21:58] <navrac2> with a path calculator you can work out the likely distance
[21:59] <navrac2> knowing that the receiver gets1% error error rate at -112dbm
[21:59] <Upu> don't use a board with boost on it for this jcoxon_
[21:59] <navrac2> assuming yiu can get the noise floor low
[21:59] <navrac2> if you ask it for the current rssi what does it give you
[22:00] <jcoxon_> 161 is -40
[22:01] <navrac2> so you have 72db in hand -
[22:01] <RG-lz1dev> daveake: http://thumbs4.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/m4ix38j8pEDic6fYxU7zE9w.jpg
[22:01] <RG-lz1dev> found my form
[22:02] <navrac2> as long as you can keep the noise level when its receiving down around 25decimal
[22:05] <navrac2> jcoxon - after youve received the signal , delay 100ms then get the rssi on the channel to see what your noise floor is
[22:06] <Mark__> Upu - I have a quick question about the level converter using the SoftwareSerial - is it normal when viewing the GPS in u-center that the position when viewed in Google Earth is all over the place? Rather than a steady position?
[22:06] <Upu> yeah can be
[22:07] <jcoxon_> 163 and then 33
[22:07] <Upu> the location is a bit whacky when viewing via google earth
[22:07] <Upu> also if you're in dynamic model 6 (i.e flight mode) there will be more deviation
[22:08] <Mark__> Ah ok, thats alright then
[22:08] <Upu> also depends how many satellites you have
[22:08] <Upu> put it in pedestrian mode ( CFG-NAV5 -> Dynamic Model)
[22:08] <Mark__> 6 green satellites at the moment and yeah defo whacky
[22:09] <navrac2> jcoxon 33 is pretty good - battery power
[22:09] <navrac2> ?
[22:10] Nick change: Kiko_Happy_Frog -> Burninate
[22:10] <Mark__> Ok I will have a look at doing that thank you
[22:10] <jcoxon_> navrac2, usb but through 2 regs
[22:10] <jcoxon_> long story
[22:11] <navrac2> linear regs should be ok - as upu says dont use a boost!
[22:11] <navrac2> and earth the crystal can on the badgeboard - that will reduce it by another 1 or 2
[22:12] <Upu> so you actually earth the crystal's case ?
[22:12] <navrac2> what aerial is on that jcoxon?
[22:12] <navrac2> oh yes
[22:12] <Upu> interesting
[22:12] <Upu> Can put a pad in for that
[22:12] <jcoxon_> navrac2, just an bit of wire roughly the right length
[22:12] <jcoxon_> they are next to each other
[22:12] <navrac2> ah ok
[22:13] <navrac2> the badgeboard is actually pretty good for noise (well done upu)
[22:14] <navrac2> 161 is a little low considering they are so close - you using 1dbm output as per the example?
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[22:15] <Upu> rfm is quite far away, big ground plane and it uses a linear reg
[22:15] <Upu> but cheers
[22:15] <navrac2> yep - all helps
[22:15] <navrac2> not having a gps helps too!
[22:15] <Upu> I'll put GND pad next to the crystal next time
[22:15] <Upu> right dog walk
[22:16] <jcoxon_> so actually my badgeboard is the tx'er
[22:16] <navrac2> i just used a lot of copper foil to sndwich the xtal and processor
[22:16] <jcoxon_> i've got a rfm22 on a breakout on a breadboard
[22:16] <navrac2> - hey upu - your dog know about daylight saving - surely it wanted a walk an hour and a half ago
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[22:22] <navrac2> well 2` is pretty good - ive seen 47-50 on some others
[22:22] <navrac2> 2 = 33
[22:23] <jcoxon_> i think the next step is more long range tests
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[22:27] <navrac2> try making a quick super j pole its only one bit of folded wire and its quite impressive
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[22:28] <Upu> dog was perstering this moring
[22:28] <Upu> pestering
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[22:29] <navrac2> last year when i was stuck in spain doing nothing for two weeks on a job i spent the time making aerials and testing them with the rfm. I was in a hotel at the end of 1m road ideal for testing
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[22:29] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[22:30] <navrac2> buy it a new watch
[22:30] <Upu> he doesn't take long to adapt
[22:30] <SpeedEvil> oh.
[22:30] <SpeedEvil> are we off bsr?
[22:30] <SpeedEvil> t
[22:31] <Upu> hmm ?
[22:31] <SpeedEvil> BST
[22:31] <Upu> oh yes
[22:31] <Upu> back on UTC
[22:32] <Upu> GMT
[22:32] <Upu> etc
[22:32] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[22:33] <eroomde> during Broadcasting House (BH) on radio 4 this morning, they kept playing 2s extracts of the archers in random gaps
[22:33] <eroomde> so as to stop people expecting the archers omnibus from freaking out
[22:34] <SpeedEvil> naah
[22:35] <navrac2> It makes payload docs easier
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[22:38] <SpeedEvil> haha
[22:39] <SpeedEvil> and what sort of retarded dictionary has neither haha, milk, meh.
[22:41] <navrac2> night all
[22:42] <daveake> nnn#
[22:43] <SpeedEvil> night
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[23:00] <SpeedEvil> also, woo!
[23:00] <SpeedEvil> dragon++
[23:00] <SpeedEvil> three in a row
[23:01] <Laurenceb_> what time did it land?
[23:03] <SpeedEvil> 8:22 here
[23:03] <SpeedEvil> no video coverage
[23:03] <SpeedEvil> twitter only, so I diddn't bother highlighting
[23:04] <SpeedEvil> on a relates matter
[23:04] <Laurenceb_> ah
[23:04] <SpeedEvil> anyone heard more on the engine shutdown?
[23:04] <Laurenceb_> yeah i heard on #space
[23:04] <Laurenceb_> but expected video
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[23:15] <SpeedEvil> http://o.canada.com/2012/10/16/experimental-satellite-burns-up-following-spacex-rocket-glitch/
[23:15] <SpeedEvil> and burned up due to range safety rules
[23:15] <SpeedEvil> also, they can relight the stage in orbit!
[23:23] <RG-lz1dev> what are the chances that somebody just forgot the icecream in the freezer
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[23:29] <SpeedEvil> 'ooops, sorry, that wasn't ice-cream, but bull semen'
[23:30] <Randomskk> chocolate and vanilla swirl?
[23:32] <RG-lz1dev> i was think more like a practical joke on someone at ground
[23:33] <RG-lz1dev> 'where's my icecream?'
[23:33] <RG-lz1dev> 'space.'
[23:33] <RG-lz1dev> that would ruin my day
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