highaltitude.log.20121021

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[00:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> we both got it, but VERY weak
[00:03] <navrac2> i'm going to accept the partial and go to bed - goodnight all and good luck to those taking over tracking
[00:03] <navrac2> i might be down a little later to check!
[00:03] <OZ1SKY_Brian> GN navrac2
[00:03] <navrac2> goodnight and good luck
[00:06] <craag> I ran a prediction for the last good position I found: http://goo.gl/QrXlS
[00:06] <OZ1SKY_Brian> just ot be sure, 470hz 50baud 8ascii parity none and stopbit 2?
[00:06] <jcoxon> yup
[00:08] <Upu> evening
[00:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ¤ûÿÿ$$PICO,204,0745,69816419”„vFvVüÿÿÿÿ’CO,2405,00:28:01,5640071¶†4:g3&ü÷,P O246,02 8:X3ff466811,4102,11,18,'(1<2
[00:08] <Upu> yay :)
[00:08] <Lunar_Lander__> hi Upu :)
[00:08] <Upu> evening lunar
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[00:09] <jcoxon> good altitude still
[00:09] <OZ1SKY_Brian> $$PIC˜0;48:49,56406083,647285254109,11,,7*1CB9
[00:09] <jcoxon> 4102
[00:09] <Upu> so you can RX it ?
[00:09] <jcoxon> OZ1SKY_Brian, getting there
[00:09] <OZ1SKY_Brian> close
[00:09] <jcoxon> i guess it is getting closer
[00:09] <Upu> thats awesome
[00:10] <^ph> ÿÿ$$ICO,409(00809:05,5&407994,66260,411310,8(*4456
[00:10] <^ph> ÷ÿSÿ$PICO,24, 0: 902150900 64584446$016,1$18,7*FE30
[00:10] <jcoxon> is it getting stronger?
[00:10] <OZ1SKY_Brian> its abit up and down
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[00:13] <^ph> $$PICO,2423,00:12:48,5&4342709,65236879,4113,11,6,7(43E2
[00:13] <Upu> thats getting close
[00:13] <jcoxon> that can be fixed
[00:15] <Lunar_Lander__> 54.342709°N 6.5236879°E
[00:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Im on 434.301.5 right now
[00:16] <^ph> *3CE$$PICO,2432,00:15:11,564507072,65538633,4110,11,6,'*BE2D
[00:16] <^ph> ÿÿ$$PICO,2433,00:15:27,5650289,5561912,411,0,6$7*270A
[00:16] <jcoxon> bingo
[00:16] <jcoxon> fixed one of those strings
[00:16] <jcoxon> map updated
[00:16] <craag> woop woop
[00:16] <Upu> heh
[00:16] <OZ1SKY_Brian> wohoo :-)
[00:16] <jcoxon> amazing work
[00:16] <Upu> my* baby :)
[00:16] <Upu> * Fair credit to James :)
[00:17] <Lunar_Lander__> 56°N?
[00:17] <Upu> yep
[00:17] <Lunar_Lander__> hm, well that can be
[00:17] <Lunar_Lander__> :)
[00:17] <Upu> about where it should be
[00:17] <Upu> great work jcoxon
[00:18] <Upu> what time was it switched on ?
[00:20] <JFS1> Well done the Danes!
[00:20] <^ph> ÿÿ-09:25,564802986064278,4017,116,8*4@8
[00:20] <^ph> ïÿ$$PICO,2449,00:19:"4,5&4802199,6604$28,4117,11,,0*F367
[00:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> seems to be getting weaker here
[00:23] <jcoxon> it'll come and go
[00:23] <jcoxon> but should get gradually stronger
[00:24] <OZ1SKY_Brian> lets hope so
[00:24] <^ph> $PICO,2463,00:23,565078380,66559138,4144,10,6,8*A4C4
[00:24] <^ph> ÿÿ$$PICO,2464,00:23:39,5650969'2,66593205,4147,10,6,8*5761
[00:24] <jcoxon> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/15156_trj001.gif
[00:25] <OZ1SKY_Brian> we cant work out why ^ph is not getting updated on the map
[00:25] <OZ1SKY_Brian> all setting should be ok
[00:25] <Lunar_Lander__> strange
[00:25] <jcoxon> ping Randomskk DanielRichman if awake
[00:25] <Lunar_Lander__> can you call people in sweden?
[00:25] <jcoxon> hehe
[00:25] <DanielRichman> hi
[00:25] <DanielRichman> barely
[00:26] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Lunar_Lander__ its abit early to do that yet
[00:26] <jcoxon> oh sorry
[00:27] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, any idea why OZ9AEH isn't appearing
[00:27] <jcoxon> the call is appearing in the logs
[00:27] <DanielRichman> you mean, his name appears on the 'receivers:' list but there's no icon on the map?
[00:28] <jcoxon> well its more that he is submitting data
[00:28] <jcoxon> in the taillog
[00:28] <jcoxon> logtail*
[00:28] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, if you need to sleep - do that
[00:29] <DanielRichman> naaah
[00:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> $$PICO,409,00:09:05,56407y9t4,64762460,4111,117:¼
[00:30] <Lunar_Lander__> xD 1/4
[00:30] <^ph> $$PICO,2485,00:29:12,565490807,67317596,4108,10,6,8*7750
[00:30] <DrLuke> nice!
[00:30] <jcoxon> amazing
[00:31] <DanielRichman> jcoxon: I see the latest string, uploaded by OZ9AEH, was submitted via habitat.habhub.org/transition?
[00:31] <DanielRichman> are all of them like that
[00:31] <jcoxon> no
[00:31] <jcoxon> just 1
[00:31] <DanielRichman> ok
[00:31] <jcoxon> the most recent are direct
[00:32] <DanielRichman> he is not on the map because dl-fldigi has not uploaded his location
[00:32] <DanielRichman> presumably this is becuase either the latitude or longitude has not been filled out
[00:32] <DanielRichman> or altitude
[00:33] <Lunar_Lander__> DrLuke, you are still here too
[00:33] <DanielRichman> which I will be making optional on next release provided I remember
[00:33] <Lunar_Lander__> :)
[00:33] <DrLuke> yeah
[00:33] <jcoxon> ^ph, can you confirm that you've put in latitude and longitude for your station
[00:34] <jcoxon> OZ1SKY_Brian, oz5agj is well placed :-)
[00:34] <DanielRichman> hmm
[00:34] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon yes but he had to go at 2330 :-(
[00:34] <DanielRichman> I hadn't looked at the map today
[00:34] <DanielRichman> are you quite sure SP9UOB has enough receivers
[00:34] <Upu> poland lol ?
[00:34] <^ph> On map :-)
[00:34] <griffonbot> @jamescoxon: PICO is being received in Denmark, approaching the coast, on 434.300Mhz USB RTTY #ukhas http://t.co/pAOVgOdv [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/259814974283726848]
[00:34] <Upu> he did a great job of recruiting listeners
[00:35] <DanielRichman> indeed :P
[00:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ^ph good Per
[00:35] <DanielRichman> it's pretty awesome
[00:35] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[00:35] <DanielRichman> brb
[00:35] <jcoxon> there
[00:35] <jcoxon> its working now
[00:36] <Lunar_Lander__> hm now my tweets don't get displayed here with the #uzhas hashtag
[00:37] <Lunar_Lander__> can that be because I protected my twitter profile?
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[00:37] <jcoxon> we've only got 23 mins of RTTY left
[00:37] <jcoxon> then will be switching to low power slow hell
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[00:40] <jcoxon> ^ph, good work - getting every string
[00:42] <craag> Good night people, jcoxon congrats on an awesome float!
[00:43] <^ph> Thanks..Glad I can help :-)
[00:47] <jcoxon> 13 mins before slow-hell
[00:48] <OZ1SKY_Brian> lets hope the timer is not working :-)
[00:48] <jcoxon> OZ1SKY_Brian, i said i'd get a flight to you one day
[00:49] <Upu> Awesome flight James hope its still going tomorrow
[00:49] <Upu> I'm off now but yes A++++ would fly again etc
[00:49] <Upu> nn
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[00:52] <griffonbot> @rafvz: RT @jamescoxon: PICO is being received in Denmark, approaching the coast, on 434.300Mhz USB RTTY #ukhas http://t.co/pAOVgOdv [http://twitter.com/rafvz/status/259819431990030336]
[00:54] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon hehe yes, just need to get a green packet before it goes to "hell" :-)
[00:54] <jcoxon> OZ1SKY_Brian, actually you've got another hour of rtty
[00:54] <jcoxon> if(hour > 1 && hour < 6){
[00:54] <jcoxon> so it won't change until 0200 UTC
[00:54] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ahh great
[00:54] <jcoxon> and will switch back at 0700 UTC
[00:55] <jcoxon> oh i mean 0600 UTC
[00:55] <OZ1SKY_Brian> still hear it, but still too weak
[00:56] <OZ1SKY_Brian> I got a big hill in the direction blocking the signal
[00:56] <jcoxon> form the prediction it'll swing round
[00:57] <jcoxon> so when it does switch to slow-hell it'll transmit 1 string, turn off for 5 minutes and then transmit another
[00:57] <OZ1SKY_Brian> never tryed hell mode
[00:57] <jcoxon> its fun!
[00:58] <jcoxon> though as its not digital it won't upload to the server
[00:59] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok i see. ive seen a youtube video about hell mode, but never tryed decode
[01:00] <Lunar_Lander__> jcoxon, does that happen automatically?
[01:00] <jcoxon> i guess we can post strings to the irc channel
[01:00] <Lunar_Lander__> I mean the mode switch
[01:00] <jcoxon> yeah
[01:00] <Lunar_Lander__> so it switches now?
[01:00] <Lunar_Lander__> and why?
[01:00] <jcoxon> no it'll switch in 1 hour
[01:01] <jcoxon> to save power
[01:01] <Lunar_Lander__> ah
[01:02] <jcoxon> right i need to sleep
[01:03] <jcoxon> OZ1SKY_Brian, i leave you in charge!
[01:03] <OZ1SKY_Brian> LOL i try to do my best, goodnight James
[01:03] <jcoxon> don't worry - you don't have to do anything
[01:03] <jcoxon> though we may need to recruit some swedish listeners tomorrow
[01:03] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Right, that i can manage
[01:03] <jcoxon> night
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[01:04] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Ill try to find some
[01:04] <OZ1SKY_Brian> night
[01:05] <^ph> gn :-)
[01:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> oh when it switched to hell mode, who can upload strings to the tracker?
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[01:09] <OZ1SKY_Brian> and what software should we use for Hell mode?
[01:11] <Darkside> fldigi
[01:11] <Darkside> well, dl-fldigi
[01:11] <Darkside> but it won't upload automatically
[01:11] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ah yes i see the mode there, thanks
[01:11] <CapnKernel> Darkside: hi
[01:12] <Darkside> CapnKernel: yo
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[01:32] <Lunar_Lander__> when dl-fldigi is in Hell mode, it has like a window in which those text strips appear which are characteristic for hell?
[01:36] <OZ1SKY_Brian> should be, looks like it, when i switch to hell mode
[01:40] <Lunar_Lander__> ah
[01:54] <Lunar_Lander__> good night
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[02:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Now switched to slow hell
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[02:12] <OZ1SKY_Brian> :00,2831,02:08:09,571942320,80532341,4073,8,18,3124f0
[02:13] <^ph> Pico, 2831,02:08:09,571942320,80532341,4073,8,18,3+24F0
[02:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ^ph yours is better
[02:14] <^ph> ok
[02:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> dont know if anyone is able to upload those hell strings?
[02:20] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Pico,2832,02:08:09,571942320,80532341,4073,8,1 ?
[02:24] <OZ1SKY_Brian> getting too weak even for hell mode
[02:25] <KT5TK> Check out if this still works: http://habitat.habhub.org/manual_upload/
[02:26] <OZ1SKY_Brian> will try that
[02:28] <OZ1SKY_Brian> does not seem to work
[02:29] <KT5TK> Do you get an error?
[02:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> put in $$Pico, 2831,02:08:09,571942320,80532341,4073,8,18,3*24F0
[02:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> no i get an OK
[02:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> but i also get an OK if i typed it wrong
[02:30] <KT5TK> PICO in capitals maybe?
[02:30] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ill try
[02:31] <OZ1SKY_Brian> that did it
[02:31] <OZ1SKY_Brian> great
[02:31] <KT5TK> needs to match the checksum
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[02:37] <OZ1SKY_Brian> KT5TK thanks
[02:39] <^ph> $$PICO,2834,02:32:01,573750331,84732980,6624,8,18,1+79A3
[02:40] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ^ph its not + but * before the checksum
[02:41] <OZ1SKY_Brian> like this $$PICO,2834,02:32:01,573750331,84732980,6624,8,18,1*79A3
[02:41] <KT5TK> ^ph do you enter this in the manual upload?
[02:42] <OZ1SKY_Brian> thats what he is trying
[02:43] <OZ1SKY_Brian> and it worked i see
[02:43] <OZ1SKY_Brian> good
[02:43] <KT5TK> just jumped. Very good!
[02:43] <OZ1SKY_Brian> that seems odd, thats a big jump
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[02:44] <OZ1SKY_Brian> let see in the next string
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[02:47] <KT5TK> The altitude seems to be a bit high
[02:49] <OZ1SKY_Brian> transmitting again
[02:50] <OZ1SKY_Brian> looks like 3949 alt, but very weak here
[02:50] <KT5TK> 3949 sounds more reasonable
[02:52] <SpeedEvil> anyone happen to have an image for the curious?
[02:53] <OZ1SKY_Brian> you mean a screendump?
[02:53] <KT5TK> Yes, maybe this way several can verify
[02:53] <KT5TK> what the correct numbers should be
[02:54] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ill try on next transmission, but i can hardly read it anymore
[02:55] <KT5TK> what about ^ph?
[02:55] <OZ1SKY_Brian> not sure he can do screendumps and upload them, he is running fldigi on another laptop
[02:56] <KT5TK> Is the laptop on the internet? maybe we can help him
[03:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> where is a good upload place, i just med a screendump
[03:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> made
[03:01] <KT5TK> imageshack?
[03:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ill try that
[03:03] <OZ1SKY_Brian> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/84/picoe.png/
[03:03] <KT5TK> wow, that's really hard to read
[03:03] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yep
[03:04] <OZ1SKY_Brian> also a very weak signal here
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[03:18] <KT5TK> ^ph apparently has posted more data. Seems to descend
[03:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes he is getting a good copy
[03:21] <KT5TK> Anyone knows what "Temperature Internal Raw: 1" means? 1 deg C?
[03:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> screendump from ^ph http://imageshack.us/a/img442/754/picof.jpg
[03:23] <KT5TK> great
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[03:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes, ^ph is now in charge!
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[03:31] <^ph> :-)
[03:41] <OZ1SKY_Brian> im off now, no longer any signal here and its moving away. goodnight
[03:42] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ill keep the radio on, so it can wake me, if it gets back
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[03:50] <KT5TK> PICO is clearly descending. I believe he's picking up ice on the surface
[03:52] <heathkid> so the stats are correct? PICO is still up there???
[03:53] <KT5TK> Yes, slowly descending
[03:54] <heathkid> must really like Louisiana
[03:54] <KT5TK> The guys in Denmark are working hard on deciphering the slow hell strings
[03:56] <heathkid> I see, "Last telemetry: 2012-10-20 07:41:25 UTC (20h14m ago)"
[03:56] <KT5TK> Not my mylar of course
[03:57] <CapnKernel> What was the fate of SP9UOB?
[03:57] <KT5TK> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[03:57] <KT5TK> Not sure, lost contact. Maybe battery?
[03:58] <heathkid> all the batt voltages are zero?
[03:58] <CapnKernel> Hmm
[03:58] <heathkid> at least the GPS says zero
[03:58] <heathkid> so where did it go?
[03:59] <KT5TK> Are you talking about KT5TK-11?
[03:59] <KT5TK> That one is probably swimming in the Gulf
[04:01] <KT5TK> Didn't make it till the morning sun
[04:02] <KT5TK> The GPS voltage 0 is a good sign, to verify it's got a lease and is properly switched off
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[04:11] <heathkid> ah
[04:11] <heathkid> and yes... KT5TK-11
[04:12] <heathkid> are those custom TX boards you use?
[04:12] <heathkid> I started looking through all the stuff but there is so much there...
[04:13] <heathkid> don't really know where to start
[04:15] <KT5TK> Yes I designed Pecan by myself. Start with Trackuino. That's easy to build.
[04:16] <KT5TK> ^ph: Did the altitude for PICO definitely increase?
[04:30] <heathkid> KT5TK: do you have any spare Pecan boards?
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[04:31] <KT5TK> Yes i have 2 or 3 more, but I'd wait until I have version 2
[04:31] <heathkid> ok
[04:31] <heathkid> please consider me for a few
[04:32] <KT5TK> I'll fix a few errors and add some improvements
[04:32] <heathkid> nice
[04:32] <KT5TK> They're not easy to build though. The parts are tiny!
[04:33] <KT5TK> If it's your first tracker I'd go with a Trackuino Shield
[04:33] <heathkid> a "kit" would be nice so I didn't have to souce individual parts...
[04:34] <heathkid> Trackuino Shield?
[04:34] <heathkid> I'm SO lost and feel like I know absolutely nothing right now... I'm embarrased
[04:36] <KT5TK> http://www.trackuino.org/
[04:36] <CapnKernel> Hello folks. I provided the PCBs that are inside PICO.
[04:36] Action: heathkid is *lost*
[04:37] <CapnKernel> If someone is interested in putting together a kit, it's flown before, and others are interested, then I'd be interested in doing the fulfillment for the kit.
[04:37] <MLow> ok....anyone know a good tracker to buy
[04:37] <MLow> something small, light, tracks reliably
[04:37] <CapnKernel> In other words, I'd do the sourcing of the PCB and all the parts, so you (the designer) don't have to.
[04:38] <CapnKernel> KT5TK: For example, Pecan v2 :-)
[04:38] <MLow> i dont really want a kit
[04:38] <MLow> I just want something that works
[04:38] <CapnKernel> Even better if the design is open source
[04:39] <MLow> i was looking at SPOT
[04:39] <KT5TK> The Pecan design is free for all
[04:39] <KT5TK> http://kt5tk.tkrahn.com/download/PecanNut/
[04:39] <heathkid> but a lot cheaper if someone buys in quantity
[04:40] <KT5TK> I don't have he time for support but you're free to sell kits for it if you want
[04:40] <MLow> if someone can build me a trackuino or pecanNut, send it to me
[04:40] <MLow> what would be the price?
[04:40] <heathkid> same here
[04:40] <heathkid> that's my problem... I don't have time
[04:40] <MLow> i dont have the skill evidently
[04:40] <MLow> i have spent MONTHS trying to get my trackuino working
[04:41] <heathkid> I just want to fly something ASAP just to get a taste...
[04:41] <CapnKernel> MLow: Have you asked for the help of others, for example, at your local hackerspace?
[04:41] <KT5TK> https://www.mouser.com/ProjectManager/ProjectDetail.aspx?State=EDIT&ProjectGUID=f23a581d-3969-4fda-8e3e-b7dcedd1698f these are almost all parts needed
[04:41] <MLow> CapnKernel: local hackerspace?
[04:41] <heathkid> how much $ for a built tracker?
[04:42] <MLow> can i throw money at you and you fix it?
[04:42] <heathkid> I buy a balloon, some helium, add a few sensors and a pre-built tracker...
[04:42] <MLow> worked another double today, have sunday off, first day in forever off
[04:43] <MLow> dont wanna work on the trackuino, but failing having another solution working I will end up picking at it
[04:43] <KT5TK> If you want a out of the box solution for a tracker look at argentdata's OT+
[04:44] <KT5TK> http://www.argentdata.com/products/otplus.html
[04:45] <heathkid> hmm...
[04:45] <KT5TK> They also sell kits for cheap
[04:45] <heathkid> not really what I'm looking for
[04:46] <heathkid> I'm looking for a way to help you KT5TK
[04:46] <heathkid> help fund your development
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[04:46] <heathkid> and get something in return... of course
[04:46] <heathkid> :)
[04:46] <KT5TK> Hmm, I really want to keep it as a hobby
[04:47] <CapnKernel> MLow: http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/List_of_Hacker_Spaces
[04:47] <CapnKernel> That's where I can help.
[04:47] <CapnKernel> So that people don't end up drowning in kit fulfillment.
[04:48] <CapnKernel> (But I understand you're interested in something prebuilt)
[04:48] <MLow> i was joking because there is only one hackerspace here and they closed up recently for an undefined amount of time
[04:48] <CapnKernel> Well that's no fun!
[04:50] <CapnKernel> I gotta go
[04:50] <MLow> laterz
[04:50] <MLow> brb i gotta restart vps actin funky
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[04:53] <MLow> ugh im back still funky
[04:56] <MLow> funk funk
[04:58] <heathkid> KT5TK: I understand more than you know...
[04:58] <MLow> im not dumb
[04:58] <MLow> and i can follow instructions, but sometimes shit dont work :(
[05:00] <heathkid> I just don't have the time to build anything from scratch
[05:00] <heathkid> or procure all the parts, get a few boards printed, etc.
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[05:00] <heathkid> a lot cheaper if someone bought in quantity
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[05:01] <heathkid> we'd have balloons all over the place
[05:01] <MLow> not sure that is a good thing
[05:01] <KT5TK> I also started with OT1+ and trackuino. A OT1+ kit is really affordable and gets you a working modem. You can also buy a OTUSB ready built
[05:01] <heathkid> there are only about 100 of us here
[05:02] <heathkid> from all around the world
[05:03] <heathkid> OTUSB?
[05:03] <KT5TK> http://www.argentdata.com/products/otusb.html
[05:04] <heathkid> not bad for $.... what else is needed?
[05:04] <KT5TK> A FM transmitter
[05:05] <MLow> a gps
[05:05] <MLow> so basically, its a uC
[05:05] <MLow> setup to be an ax25 modem
[05:05] <heathkid> why can't that all be on one board?
[05:05] <KT5TK> High altitude GPS to be precise
[05:05] <MLow> correct
[05:05] <MLow> KT5TK's is
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[05:06] <MLow> ublox max6 and his own crazy radio
[05:06] <MLow> but a board like his must cost like bookoo to make
[05:06] <MLow> smt so mad skillz to solder
[05:06] <heathkid> I've got a pair of the ublox max6 with helical antennas on the way now
[05:06] <heathkid> smt isn't that hard
[05:06] <heathkid> especially with a stereo microscope
[05:07] <Darkside> MLow: PCBs are cheap
[05:07] <Darkside> well getting PCBs made
[05:07] <heathkid> in quantity please... so they are cheap
[05:07] <heathkid> not a one off
[05:07] <MLow> the shipping costs more to do a pcb
[05:08] <KT5TK> http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/fusion-pcb-service-p-835.html?cPath=185
[05:09] <MLow> Darkside: you dont remember me in here like 6 months ago whining about my tracker not working
[05:09] <Darkside> nope
[05:09] <Darkside> KT5TK: i use another guy
[05:09] <Darkside> better quality
[05:09] <KT5TK> Darkside what do you use?
[05:09] <MLow> QTY: 10
[05:10] <Darkside> a guy called mitch, from #hackvana
[05:10] <Darkside> hackvana.com
[05:10] <Darkside> .win 22
[05:10] <KT5TK> quality was never an issue with seeed
[05:10] <Darkside> http://tinyurl.com/hvpcbfaq
[05:10] <Darkside> i've had registration errors
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[05:11] <KT5TK> I'll look into hackvana next time
[05:12] <MLow> You can order as few as 5 boards,
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[05:14] <Darkside> tbh ordering 10 isn't that bad
[05:14] <Darkside> 10 5x5cm pcbs works out to about USD$19
[05:15] <Darkside> then you have options of free shipping (2-3 weeks) or DHL (USD$20 - 3 days)
[05:20] <MLow> it seems like your making the free shipping sound like an option
[05:20] <MLow> but your note
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[05:20] <MLow> lol 21 days?
[05:21] <heathkid> so is anyone here going to order a set of baords?
[05:21] <heathkid> I'd be in for some
[05:21] <heathkid> especially if the parts were included
[05:21] <heathkid> :)
[05:21] <heathkid> btw...
[05:21] <heathkid> FAST.... poor little rock never had a chance
[05:22] <heathkid> took my dog out.... was watching due north...
[05:22] <heathkid> bolide from East to West.... at least 40 degrees in less than 1/2 second.... skipped? (probably)
[05:22] <heathkid> maybe next time around
[05:23] <heathkid> that was FAST
[05:23] <MLow> CapnKernel is mitch?
[05:23] <MLow> huh
[05:23] <Darkside> yes
[05:23] <heathkid> didn't look like it burned up
[05:24] <heathkid> looked more like a flare that dimmed... but VERY fast
[05:24] Action: heathkid is a meteorite hunter/collector
[05:25] <heathkid> I like the ones that last a few seconds, break up and you see all the different colors
[05:31] <KT5TK> Any news from PICO ^ph?
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[05:45] <heathkid> how many PICO's are up there right now?
[05:46] <KT5TK> Only one above the Skagerrak
[05:47] <KT5TK> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[05:47] <heathkid> KT5TK: you said you'd send me some links.... to get me started....
[05:48] <KT5TK> This ^ is one of them ;)
[05:48] <heathkid> ok
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[05:51] <heathkid> please excuse the stupid question... but how does the data from the payload get sent to that site?
[05:51] Action: heathkid is *full* of stupid questions
[05:52] <heathkid> last weather balloon I launched was when I was about 13 and shut down O
[05:52] <heathkid> O'Hare International...
[05:52] <heathkid> oooops
[05:53] <MLow> so KT5TK for the pecan nut
[05:53] <MLow> you use a 14.44 mhz crystal?
[05:53] <MLow> and basically it is your own radio
[05:55] <KT5TK> Yes, the ADF7012 has its own PLL
[05:55] <KT5TK> It's not really a crystal, it's a VCXO
[05:55] <MLow> ah
[05:55] <MLow> i thought you switched to a fixed one
[05:56] <heathkid> fixed would be easier
[05:56] <heathkid> pick a xtal and that's our standard for HAB
[05:56] <KT5TK> Yes, it has only one frquency, but there is a varactor
[05:56] <KT5TK> for smal frequency shifts for FM modulation
[05:57] <MLow> i mean im trying to decide if i want to order another hx1
[05:58] <heathkid> why/how did you choose 14.44 MHz?
[05:58] <KT5TK> 19.44 MHz VCXO was cheap and available
[05:59] <KT5TK> First I used 20 MHz, but that was more expensive
[05:59] <KT5TK> 19.44 works just fine
[05:59] <KT5TK> Just need to calculate different parameters.
[06:00] <heathkid> why not use a xtal then? I've had them made before... pretty cheap
[06:00] <heathkid> and stable
[06:00] <KT5TK> HX1 is nice, but I wanted frequency agility
[06:01] <KT5TK> It should be possible to build a 2m/70cm dualband Pecan with the ADF7012
[06:01] <MLow> yeah
[06:01] <heathkid> that would be sweet!
[06:02] <KT5TK> That's one thing I want to implement in Pecan2
[06:02] <MLow> know what i want
[06:02] <MLow> a working tracker :(
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[06:03] <heathkid> KT5TK: count me in... what can I do to help?
[06:03] <navrac2> pico should have gone back to rtty now I think
[06:06] <navrac2> hopefully when europe wakes up we'll get more listeners
[06:07] <heathkid> pretty early on a Sunday morning right now there...
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[06:08] <heathkid> a bit after 2 AM here
[06:08] Action: heathkid is sleepy
[06:08] <MLow> whats the call?
[06:08] <MLow> id like to tune in but im in texas
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[06:08] <navrac2> $$pico but on 434mhz
[06:09] <MLow> huh..
[06:09] <MLow> dont know if i can look that up somewhere or....
[06:09] <navrac2> I wonder if theres a global tuner in sweden
[06:09] <MLow> whats your tracking system
[06:11] <KT5TK> I don't see any gt in Sweden: http://www.globaltuners.com/receiver/
[06:12] <KT5TK> http://spacenear.us/tracker/ White box on the top left shows you all you need
[06:14] <KT5TK> PICO close to Sweden 2814m altitude
[06:17] <navrac2> excellent - now its back on rtty i tlooks like someones receiver has picked it up - hood sign
[06:17] <navrac2> low altitude though - maybe it will rise when the sun comes up
[06:18] <KT5TK> hope so
[06:19] <navrac2> mind you it looks like its coming down quite fast 0.5-1m/s doesnt give it a lot of time
[06:19] <navrac2> wonder what time dawn is over there
[06:21] <navrac2> sunrise was 20 minutes ago
[06:22] <MLow> anyone wanna see the pictures from the now dead camera that made it to about 100ft agl
[06:23] <KT5TK> If it reaches Swedish ground it may rise a bit because its warmer than the sea.
[06:24] <griffonbot> @PD3EM: PICO is being received in Denmark, now approaching the coast of Sweden, on 434.300Mhz USB RTTY #ukhas http://t.co/DNSb0fKM Listeners needed! [http://twitter.com/PD3EM/status/259902941706727424]
[06:25] <MLow> what balloons?
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[06:25] <KT5TK> PICO is one single Mylar 3ft diameter
[06:25] <MLow> cool
[06:25] <MLow> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/3t1s7klhqrtsgf0/uc8mYuc5VG
[06:26] <MLow> theres the pics salvaged
[06:26] <MLow> all out of focus and when it hit the ground the lens jammed in
[06:30] <KT5TK> The sun is there. PICO is in ascend
[06:31] <natrium42> whoa, awesome flight
[06:31] <natrium42> is it a foil balloon?
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[06:31] <KT5TK> yes one single 3ft mylar
[06:32] <navrac_bed> excellent the sun is bringing it up
[06:32] <natrium42> amazing
[06:33] <KT5TK> The balloon heats over the generally cold environment => very good lift
[06:34] <navrac_bed> its a silver mylar so quite reflective
[06:34] <KT5TK> Still better than the cold sea
[06:34] <navrac_bed> yep
[06:37] <MLow> wonder if it will make it to shore
[06:37] <MLow> this is cool :B
[06:37] <navrac_bed> yep i think so
[06:38] <KT5TK> I'm confident it will, now
[06:38] <navrac_bed> 10 minutes ago i wasnt so sure
[06:38] <navrac_bed> 20 minutes rather,
[06:38] <navrac_bed> i wonder how you go about finding swedish listeners
[06:39] <MLow> would be a bummer to lose the track because of that
[06:41] Action: heathkid is jealous
[06:41] <MLow> seems to have stopped climbing now
[06:41] <heathkid> I want to fly tomorrow!
[06:43] <MLow> wait nope
[06:43] <MLow> 0.9/s
[06:43] <MLow> 2mph climb is something at least
[06:45] <navrac_bed> battery raw is much lower than i'd like at this stage
[06:45] <MLow> what does that convert out to
[06:46] <navrac_bed> actually i take that back - battery raw is very good
[06:46] <navrac_bed> 1.5v
[06:46] <navrac_bed> by trhe looks of it
[06:46] <MLow> whats the battery?
[06:46] <heathkid> mylar balloon + payload? no parashoot? nothing?
[06:47] <radim_OM2AMR> navrac_bed - one or two AAAs?
[06:47] <MLow> 1.5v is pretty low by most standards
[06:47] <navrac_bed> one AA
[06:47] <radim_OM2AMR> great
[06:47] <heathkid> just up and away?
[06:47] <x-f> heathkid, http://imgur.com/K4xSg
[06:47] <navrac_bed> yep - payload 31b so they tend to come down slow
[06:48] <navrac_bed> 31g
[06:48] Action: heathkid feels like an idiot in here...
[06:48] <heathkid> sorry
[06:48] <Upu> mornig
[06:49] <navrac_bed> dont worry - it wasnt a stupid question
[06:49] <navrac_bed> morning upu
[06:49] <x-f> morning
[06:49] <heathkid> morning
[06:49] <Upu> woah someone still RX'ing pico ?
[06:49] <navrac_bed> yep -
[06:49] <navrac_bed> came back on at 7 when the rtty restarted,
[06:49] <KT5TK> Yeah Pico is rising from the morning sun
[06:49] <Upu> amazing
[06:49] <navrac_bed> but was dropping badly till the sun came up
[06:50] <Upu> need some Swedish HAMs
[06:50] <navrac_bed> 30 mins ago was diving
[06:50] <Upu> that mean its leaking ?
[06:50] <navrac_bed> yep, got any lying around?
[06:50] <heathkid> navrac_bed: yes it was... I very new to this and learning I don't have a clue.
[06:50] <navrac_bed> not necessarily
[06:50] <KT5TK> not leaking. likely condensate
[06:50] <Upu> ok
[06:51] <navrac_bed> agreed
[06:51] <heathkid> it seems so easy... balloon, aprs.... up and track. but no.
[06:51] <MLow> i know this first hand with my crappy tracker
[06:51] <navrac_bed> pico balloons are a bit different from the norm though - different set of design goals
[06:52] <navrac_bed> raw battery is still 6 i note - any idea what that is upu ?
[06:52] <Upu> ignore it
[06:52] <Upu> battery isn't connected
[06:53] <navrac_bed> ah ok
[06:53] <Upu> well it is but not to any monitoring
[06:53] <heathkid> you all are having so much fun I'm about to just go buy a bunch of party helium mylar balloons and launch my Yaesu VX8-DR just because....
[06:53] <Upu> lol
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[06:53] <heathkid> but it's heavy
[06:53] <navrac_bed> =lots of mylar
[06:54] <KT5TK> Take 20 mylars
[06:54] <Upu> its got battery to last until at least dusk tonight
[06:54] <navrac_bed> you can lift about 50g per mylar to 4km
[06:54] <navrac_bed> 60g even
[06:54] <Upu> and probably way longer if the GPS was turned off when it did HS
[06:54] <Upu> not bad for an AA :)
[06:54] <navrac_bed> no impressive
[06:55] <MLow> seems to have turned
[06:55] <navrac_bed> 5 hours on standby shouldnt use much battery
[06:56] <heathkid> fine... a 1500 gram Kaymont and my Yaesu....
[06:56] <heathkid> if anyone finds it... please return it? :)
[06:56] <MLow> where you launching to lol
[06:56] <heathkid> up
[06:57] <navrac_bed> yep - knowing how multi mylar balloons behave im coming to the launch with a net
[06:57] <navrac_bed> its heading for oslo now instead
[06:58] <Upu> got to be some hams in Oslo
[06:58] <heathkid> it's got all the goodies... with the mic, I've got GPS, APRS, temp, etc... just need a balloon large enough to lift it
[06:58] <heathkid> barametric pressure
[06:59] <heathkid> but I really don't want to lose it
[06:59] <Upu> anyone asked on #hamradio ?
[06:59] <heathkid> asked what?
[06:59] <heathkid> I'm in there
[06:59] <Upu> for HAMs in Oslo
[07:00] <JFS1> Morning all - has Brian had any luck recruiting anymore Scandanavian HAMS?
[07:02] <heathkid> that channel has gone to crap
[07:02] <heathkid> morning JFS1
[07:03] <JFS1> Morning heathkid
[07:03] <navrac_bed> i think it was a bit late to ask last night
[07:03] <JFS1> The Danes have been stellar overnight.
[07:03] <navrac_bed> yep
[07:05] <Upu> what was it TXing 8N2 ?
[07:05] <JFS1> I think so
[07:06] <JFS1> I tried getting it here (S London) yetserday but have a bad line of sight and couldn't get a good enough signal to read properly
[07:07] <MLow> im too tired to keep watching but its edge of seat stuff
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[07:10] <navrac_bed> i think it was 7n2
[07:11] <Upu> don't bite heathkid
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[07:12] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Morning
[07:12] <navrac_bed> norning
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[07:12] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Nice OZ5AGJ still have Pico in
[07:13] <JFS1> Morning Brian - great work by you and the other receivers last night.
[07:13] <number10> brilliant
[07:13] <number10> I wonder if the spider is still on it
[07:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> JFS1 thanks
[07:14] <JFS1> Brian - any luck finding Swedish receivers?
[07:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> number10 maybe :-)
[07:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> JFS1 im on it now
[07:14] <JFS1> Great.
[07:16] <OZ1SKY_Brian> James is in for a surprise :-)
[07:16] <heathkid> Upu: I don't usually in channels I'm not an op
[07:16] <heathkid> but that just pisses me off
[07:16] <heathkid> same with #arduino.... no ops around ever
[07:17] <heathkid> but in ##hamradio I'd expect an op to be there
[07:17] <heathkid> otherwise the channel is useless
[07:18] <heathkid> I do not put up with that in my channels
[07:18] <heathkid> kick/ban... done
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[07:23] <Upu> morning Brian
[07:24] <griffonbot> @AnthonyStirk: PICO still airborne and TXing now approaching Oslo #ukhas [http://twitter.com/AnthonyStirk/status/259918098000392192]
[07:25] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Upu morning, Pico still up there
[07:25] <Upu> indeed
[07:26] <Upu> going out of range of receivers atm though
[07:26] <Upu> unless you have any up your sleeve
[07:26] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Im trying
[07:26] <Upu> no probs sure James would appreciated it
[07:27] <Upu> I mailed a HAM in Oslo
[07:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> good
[07:31] <heathkid> ##hamradio is worthless
[07:31] <heathkid> not sure there are any hams in there
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[07:31] <heathkid> certainly no ops
[07:31] <jcoxon> back
[07:32] <navrac2> morning james
[07:32] <heathkid> I have a great respect for freenode
[07:32] <heathkid> I have zero tollerence for trolls
[07:32] <Upu> wb James
[07:32] <Upu> still up :)
[07:32] <jcoxon> still in the air
[07:32] <heathkid> good morning james
[07:32] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Upu im having no luck with Sweden :-(
[07:32] <jcoxon> a bit lower though
[07:32] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Morning james
[07:33] <navrac2> went nicely overnight - a bit of a scare at 7 oclock this morning tho
[07:33] <heathkid> current altitude?
[07:33] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 2961
[07:33] <heathkid> link to data?
[07:33] <OZ1SKY_Brian> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[07:34] <heathkid> oh that one.... sorry
[07:34] <jcoxon> what happened at 7 navrac2 ?
[07:34] <navrac2> the fast drop just after the rtty started - mind you it seems to have repeated it whilst i fed the dogs
[07:35] <navrac2> sunrise was at 6utc and it seemed to recover
[07:36] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon can you send out an alart on the BB for stations in the Oslo area and central sweden, im not having much luck?
[07:38] <jcoxon> i'll email the list
[07:40] <OZ1SKY_Brian> trying to email some hams in sweden also
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[07:42] <MiniMail> Hllo :)
[07:42] <MiniMail> +e
[07:42] <OZ1SKY_Brian> looking in my logbook to see who i worked in that area on 70cm ssb :-)
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[07:43] <OZ1SKY_Brian> MiniMail Hi
[07:44] <MiniMail> What do i need to listen on PICO? if that yellow thing comes over here? :) i have my radio on 434.300
[07:44] <MiniMail> :)
[07:44] <OZ1SKY_Brian> MiniMail where are you located?
[07:44] <MiniMail> Fin. Vaasa
[07:45] <MiniMail> aah now i can see Predicted landing.
[07:45] <MiniMail> damn :(
[07:45] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Currently its on 434.301.5 USB RTTY
[07:45] <OZ1SKY_Brian> MiniMail that changes all the time
[07:46] <MiniMail> okey
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[07:47] <MiniMail> no youtube page of this uhm hobby? :)
[07:47] <heathkid> USB RTTY? Did I miss something while I was sleeping?
[07:48] Action: heathkid thinks he should stick to CW and staight keys... (lost)
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[07:49] <OZ1SKY_Brian> OZ5AGJ now lost the signal, still there but too weak
[07:49] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "[UKHAS] Pico flight still in the air - approaching Sweden!"
[07:50] <heathkid> yeah.... maybe I'll be the first to do a HAB launch with a Lionell J-38 straight key and an electicronic solenoid sending Morse Code.... :P
[07:51] <heathkid> yes... a micro sending commands to a solenoid to activate the J-38
[07:51] <heathkid> seems just right and fitting...
[07:51] <heathkid> :)
[07:52] <heathkid> might use an 8-bit micro....
[07:52] <heathkid> nah... 32-bit
[07:52] <heathkid> just because...
[07:53] <navrac_bed> ive got some 4 bit intel chips in a cupboard somewhere if it helps
[07:53] <heathkid> ooohhh..... can I get one? please?
[07:54] <navrac_bed> i'll have a dig round - havent seen themsince 1980 - but i never throw components away
[07:54] <heathkid> let me know when you find them... I'm sure we can work something out
[07:54] <heathkid> I never throw components away either
[07:54] <jcoxon> OZ1SKY_Brian, emails sent
[07:55] <jcoxon> also i've gone on ##hamradio and ##rtlsdr
[07:55] <jcoxon> no response yet
[07:55] <jcoxon> we do need another stations
[07:55] <jcoxon> we need to find out what happens!
[07:55] <heathkid> we need to organize a network of hams to monitor these around the globe
[07:56] <jcoxon> ping oh7lzb
[07:56] <MiniMail> ppl from sweden here?
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[07:56] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon im not having any luch, tryed email,msn and skype, but none returns my msg
[07:56] <heathkid> I'm in Indiana, USA..... stick a pin in the globe there as I'm here for you if you need me.
[07:58] <heathkid> or what about launching our own cubesat to monitor HAB launches?
[07:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Most of the people i know in Sweden are further south, out of range
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[08:03] <Upu> I wouldn't bother with #hamradio James
[08:04] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Got an answer now, SM4GGC is checking for signals
[08:04] <jcoxon> Upu, its quiet there - its a good sign
[08:05] <Upu> Karlstad
[08:05] <Upu> he might just be in range
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[08:06] <fsphil> morning all
[08:07] <Upu> morning Phil
[08:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> He hears it
[08:08] <jcoxon> OZ1SKY_Brian, we need data!
[08:08] <fsphil> just catching up
[08:08] <Upu> awesome
[08:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon im trying the bast i can James :-)
[08:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> best
[08:08] <jcoxon> hehe
[08:08] <jcoxon> OZ1SKY_Brian, i am really grateful for your work OZ1SKY_Brian
[08:09] <Upu> bah we don't send anything your way for 2 years then when we do we expect an immediate response !
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[08:09] Action: Upu pats OZ1SKY_Brian
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[08:11] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Your welcome, now trying to get him setup
[08:11] <OZ1SKY_Brian> im on and off abit
[08:11] <Upu> cut and paste some strings we can upload
[08:11] <Upu> sure
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[08:12] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Upu thats what we did when it swtiched to hell mode, KT5TK helped us on how to do that
[08:13] <jcoxon> i've sent to southgate arc too
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[08:14] <KT5TK> http://habitat.habhub.org/manual_upload/
[08:14] <jcoxon> oh where did that creep in
[08:14] <jcoxon> i was using a different page previously for manual uploads :-p
[08:14] <Upu> been that one for a while
[08:15] <Upu> oh wait no
[08:15] <Upu> http://habitat.habhub.org/transition/
[08:16] <KT5TK> manual upload is easier for an absolute newcommer
[08:16] <Upu> yeap
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[08:18] <jcoxon> right back in a bit
[08:21] <OZ1SKY_Brian> i still hear it, but too weak to decode
[08:21] <OZ1SKY_Brian> trying to wake up oz9aeh
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[08:24] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon btw that 6624m alt was a typo
[08:24] <fsphil> interesting that it got through the checksum test
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[08:25] <KT5TK> Not sure if the manual input uses a checksum test
[08:26] <KT5TK> It was from slow hell\
[08:26] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ÿ4$IC180,08:2612,58424f17™· #485N1p"864
[08:26] <OZ1SKY_Brian> to weak
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[08:27] <Upu> still up though
[08:29] <fsphil> I can only find an HF receiver in sweden
[08:29] <fsphil> that's no fun
[08:31] <KT5TK> SM4GGC still in the boat?
[08:31] <Willdude123> What kind of radio antennae can be used on payloads?
[08:31] <OZ1SKY_Brian> dont think so, he said he was busy :-(
[08:32] <OZ1SKY_Brian> No one else answer on email,pm or sms
[08:32] <KT5TK> Any lightweight antenna. Usually wire
[08:32] <jcoxon> OZ1SKY_Brian, i've sent out lots of emails too
[08:32] <jcoxon> will have to wait and see
[08:33] <Upu> I sent a few too
[08:33] <jcoxon> if no one comes to our rescue then thats okay
[08:33] <jcoxon> i fufilled my promise to get a flight to go to denmark
[08:33] <Upu> I think its been a sucessful flight even if thats it !
[08:33] <jcoxon> though it did everything it could to actually avoid the land!
[08:33] <Willdude123> KT5TK: Do you need to build it yourself?
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[08:33] <jcoxon> so do we think its been descending due to a bit of icing?
[08:34] <KT5TK> do yourself is best so that you can make it as light as possible
[08:34] <OZ1SKY_Brian> best hope is for ^ph to get up SOON :-)
[08:35] <jcoxon> hehe
[08:38] <KT5TK> jcoxon: icing or condensate. It was right at the freezing point at that time
[08:38] <jcoxon> interestingly the radio had warmed to 10C
[08:39] <Willdude123> So, how exactly does one go about making an antenna? Does it need to be omnidirectional?
[08:39] <KT5TK> at what time? When the sun came?
[08:40] <KT5TK> Yes, omni. Try a verical wire dipole or an inverted groundplane
[08:40] <griffonbot> @jamescoxon: Calling any South Norway or Sweden Radio operators - balloon floating towards you on 434.301Mhz USB RTTY - reports welcome #ukhas #hamr [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/259937218456612865]
[08:40] <jcoxon> KT5TK, last data point
[08:40] <jcoxon> so post sunrise
[08:41] <KT5TK> Yes, the sun was warming it up fast
[08:41] <KT5TK> the condensate dried => lift
[08:42] <jcoxon> oooo i think i can fix another string
[08:42] <griffonbot> @tenbus_uk: MT @jamescoxon: Calling S. Norway or Sweden Radio ops - balloon floating towards you on 434.301MHz USB RTTY - reports welcome #ukhas #hamr [http://twitter.com/tenbus_uk/status/259937761644134400]
[08:43] <jcoxon> just a few more minutes further along
[08:43] <jcoxon> that point was 11C, minimal descent
[08:44] <OZ1SKY_Brian> back in a few min
[08:46] <jcoxon> i think sunday morning is the problem :-)
[08:46] <MiniMail> :P
[08:46] <KT5TK> everyone is at church
[08:47] <MiniMail> 11:45. here
[08:47] <jcoxon> MiniMail, did you say you were in finland?
[08:47] <MiniMail> y
[08:47] <jcoxon> got a radio?
[08:47] <MiniMail> y
[08:48] <jcoxon> all setup to receive?
[08:48] <MiniMail> no
[08:48] <MiniMail> no interface -.-
[08:48] <MiniMail> its 68km from me xD
[08:48] <jcoxon> haha
[08:48] <jcoxon> okay
[08:48] <MiniMail> but i got the radio. maybe i can connect it to line in?
[08:48] <jcoxon> oh yeah
[08:48] <jcoxon> thats what lots of people od
[08:49] <MiniMail> xD
[08:49] <MiniMail> okey.
[08:49] <jcoxon> my point was that if you get dl-fldigi (the decoding software) and load it up you'll appear on the map
[08:49] <jcoxon> i appreciate its a long way from you but it helps us plan what to do next if we know where other stations are
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[08:50] <MiniMail> i had this radio as remote controlled for 11m radio :)
[08:51] <MiniMail> hmm.. soo i need... um. hrd?
[08:52] <MiniMail> dl-fldigi ah
[08:52] <jcoxon> MiniMail, what os?
[08:52] <jcoxon> http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi
[08:52] <jcoxon> here is hte hysplit predicts
[08:52] <jcoxon> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/16242_trj001.gif
[08:53] <MiniMail> 7
[08:53] <MiniMail> *installing*
[08:53] <jcoxon> the lower the altitude it seems the more it'll stick over sweden
[08:53] <griffonbot> @amoroso: RT @jamescoxon: Calling any South Norway or Sweden Radio operators - balloon floating towards you on 434.301Mhz USB RTTY - reports welco ... [http://twitter.com/amoroso/status/259940535182184450]
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[08:54] <G7PMO_Kev> morning
[08:54] <MiniMail> i have some friend in göteborg
[08:55] <G7PMO_Kev> Pico has had a grand overnight flight...
[08:55] <jcoxon> MiniMail, friends with a radio?
[08:56] <MiniMail> i dunno that. need to ask.
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[08:57] <Willdude123> Upu: Do you sell antennae for the payloads?
[08:58] <Willdude123> Sorry, your site is blocked.
[08:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> waterfall trace gone now
[08:59] Nick change: Guest7988 -> danielsaul
[08:59] <DrLuke> Pico is still flying? awesome!
[09:00] <jcoxon> OZ1SKY_Brian, do you get the carrier still?
[09:00] <griffonbot> @pradx: RT @jamescoxon: Calling any South Norway or Sweden Radio operators - balloon floating towards you on 434.301Mhz USB RTTY - reports welco ... [http://twitter.com/pradx/status/259942106498465792]
[09:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon no sorry
[09:00] <Upu> Willdude123 no you can make your own very eaisly
[09:01] <craag> Willdude123: He doesn't. People make their own. You after on for 434MHz or HF?
[09:01] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/files/2010-09-03%2019-26-16_0003.jpg
[09:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon im out of ideas, tryed everything i could think off, sorry.
[09:02] <DrLuke> why is it in feet
[09:02] <DrLuke> whyyy
[09:02] <Upu> came from a US site
[09:02] <MiniMail> jcoxon: bah. only hf radios :(
[09:03] <jcoxon> OZ1SKY_Brian, don't worry
[09:03] <jcoxon> someone will come through for us
[09:03] <jcoxon> MiniMail, oh well
[09:03] <craag> MiniMail: Anyone have a funcube or rtl-sdr?
[09:04] <jcoxon> OZ1SKY_Brian, you've done amazingly
[09:05] <MiniMail> craag: what is that? :)
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[09:06] <craag> They're both usb stick software receivers for ~54-1700MHz. The great thing is they can do SSB, so do work for receiving the balloons (although not as sensitive as a true rig)
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[09:07] <craag> Funcube: http://www.funcubedongle.com/ RTL-SDRs are cheap chinese USB TV Tuners that people have managed to make work as SDR receivers.
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[09:09] <craag> RTL-SDR info: http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr:
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[09:10] <pjm> OZ1SKY_Brian hi brian, sorry i missed ur PM last night
[09:11] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Hi paul, no problem
[09:11] <MiniMail> craag: woho. i want that :)
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[09:12] <eroomde> has it died?
[09:13] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon its JOTA weekend, so maybe thats why its hard to get people tracking :-)
[09:13] <eroomde> ah just caught up
[09:13] <number10> some picture from launch http://www.flickr.com/photos/65839734@N04/sets/72157631817488630/
[09:13] <eroomde> there must be some friendly swedes
[09:13] <jcoxon> eroomde, i think they are sleeping
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[09:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> number10 ah great
[09:15] <eroomde> it's like 11am in swe!
[09:15] <eroomde> i know a few people in gotebg
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[09:15] <eroomde> none are hams though
[09:15] <eroomde> so this is not a usefule contribution
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[09:16] <jcoxon> i appreciated it
[09:17] <jcoxon> sensible article on southgatearc
[09:18] <eroomde> linky?
[09:18] <MiniMail> number10: wow. that was smal stuff :P
[09:18] <fsphil> nice
[09:18] <fsphil> http://www.southgatearc.org/news/october2012/pico_amateur_radio_balloons.htm
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[09:19] <JFS1> Hello again - have we run out of trackers?
[09:19] <fsphil> yep :(
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[09:19] <fsphil> for the moment anyway
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[09:20] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok longshoot, i tryed to email the amateurclub in göteborg
[09:21] <JFS1> Any chance of better luck if it makes it to Stockholm in a few hours?
[09:21] <jcoxon> OZ1SKY_Brian, i've done that too :-)
[09:21] <eroomde> nice view of vasteras landing approach by the looks of it
[09:21] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SK6HD?
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[09:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> oh sorry, thats not góteborg
[09:22] <jcoxon> JFS1, just need someone to tune in
[09:22] <JFS1> I hope you used your best Swedish in that email James
[09:23] <jcoxon> pah their website is in english
[09:23] <OZ1SKY_Brian> JFS1 sure he did, flurent like the swedish cook in moppetshow :-)
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[09:30] <RG-lz1dev> is SP9UOB still up ?
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[09:32] <jcoxon> RG-lz1dev, hasn't been heard from for quite a while
[09:33] <RG-lz1dev> i see that
[09:33] <MiniMail> hey. would be nice if someone like to type something of this project in a swedish forum? 27mhz.se/forums/ there is a English Section :)
[09:33] <RG-lz1dev> jcoxon: what the verdict?
[09:33] <KT5TK> Nope SP9UOB is QRT since 20:00 UTC
[09:33] <jcoxon> RG-lz1dev, it could still be floating but the transmitter was giving up
[09:34] <MiniMail> there is also a finnish forum. http://www.radiohullut.net/foorumi/
[09:38] <MiniMail> more pics or info of the transmitters?
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[09:39] <jcoxon> http://www.flickr.com/photos/65839734@N04/sets/72157631817488630/ are the launch pics
[09:39] <jcoxon> its a 10mW 434.301Mhz USB RTTY
[09:39] <jcoxon> with a ublox 6 GPS
[09:39] <jcoxon> all running at 1.8v
[09:40] <Darkside> jcoxon: one of upus boards?
[09:40] <jcoxon> yeah
[09:40] <Darkside> cool
[09:41] <OZ1SKY_Brian> wiw thats a small payload and balloon, first time i see a picture of a pico flight
[09:41] <OZ1SKY_Brian> wow
[09:42] <jcoxon> yeah its quite small
[09:42] <jonsowman> jcoxon: that was the least dramatic launch ever
[09:42] <jcoxon> yeah
[09:43] <jcoxon> it was awesome
[09:43] <jonsowman> :)
[09:43] <jcoxon> also there was a spider passenger
[09:43] <jonsowman> I saw
[09:43] <jonsowman> bet he's pretty lost right now
[09:43] <number10> he was nearly as cool as the spider ;)
[09:43] <jcoxon> thats how picos should be launched
[09:44] <jonsowman> with spiders?
[09:44] <OZ1SKY_Brian> lol
[09:44] <number10> :)
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[09:44] <number10> OZ1SKY_Brian: is this from your tracking of the hell ? http://imageshack.us/a/img442/754/picof.jpg
[09:45] <OZ1SKY_Brian> no thats a screendump from ^ph aka oz9aeh
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[09:46] <jcoxon> thats good slowhell decoding
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[09:47] <number10> that must have been shortly after switch from rtty
[09:47] <MiniMail> hah :D 10mW ^_^
[09:48] <MiniMail> thats 0.1W?
[09:48] <Darkside> 0.01W
[09:48] <MiniMail> ow
[09:50] <jcoxon> not bad really
[09:53] <jcoxon> hmmmmm
[09:53] <jcoxon> been a while since we had any data
[09:53] <JFS1> How long can picos stay up - I see it was down below 3000m when last heard from
[09:53] <jcoxon> yeah but it seemed to have slowed
[09:54] <jcoxon> JFS1, we don't know
[09:54] <jcoxon> hence the flight :-)
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[09:54] <JFS1> I guess it would have warmed up by that time - as much as you can warm up in late Oct
[09:54] <jcoxon> hi sm6u
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[09:54] <OZ1SKY_Brian> tjena sm6u
[09:54] <sm6u> Hi james
[09:55] <sm6u> Tried to listen in locally on a FT-817 with a 5/8" but no surprise, nothing heard in the radio shadow here in Gothenburg .-(
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[09:56] <jcoxon> sm6u, oh okay
[09:56] <eroomde> overhead at the local cornershop in west oxford where i live
[09:57] <eroomde> man: darling, of course your upbringing was middle class
[09:57] <eroomde> woman: no it wasn't philip, what on earth do you mean?
[09:57] <eroomde> man: darling, which did they serve as the blood of christ at mass on your village
[09:57] <eroomde> woman: ... port
[09:57] <eroomde> man: and the body?
[09:57] <eroomde> woman:.... cheese
[09:57] <eroomde> i surpressed a giggle
[09:58] <jcoxon> sm6u, thanks for listening - hopefully someone will pick up the signal
[09:58] <jcoxon> sm6u, it should be relatively close by
[09:58] <RG-lz1dev> somebody in moscow
[09:58] <jcoxon> what freq did you listen to?
[09:58] <RG-lz1dev> :P
[09:58] <sm6u> 434.300 / .301
[09:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> sm6u last freq here was 434.301.5 USB
[09:59] <OZ1SKY_Brian> before i loft it
[09:59] <jcoxon> could you have a quick look up to .303
[09:59] <jcoxon> if the radio is next to you
[09:59] <OZ1SKY_Brian> **lost
[09:59] <jcoxon> otherwise don't worry!
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[09:59] <fsphil> that ukhas cubesat is looking like a better idea every day :)
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[10:00] <sm6u> Dead quiet, but I blame it on the QTH. It's *really* bad so I guess someone with a descent location would catch it.
[10:01] <jcoxon> sm6u, hehe
[10:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> sm6u do you know anyone in the flight path that could check it? http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[10:01] <jcoxon> i know what you mean
[10:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> sm6u you need to zoom out and find sweden and the yellow balloon
[10:02] <jcoxon> http://spacenear.us/tracker/?filter=PICO
[10:02] <jcoxon> this works better
[10:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon is it possible to do a.......... ok thanks :-)
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[10:03] <sm6u> Brian, checked it. SK6IF or SK6JX is probably the most coastal close clubs. Then we have SK4UW in Karlstad, SK4BX in Oerebro.
[10:04] <OZ1SKY_Brian> sm6u flightpath should take it to karlstad>örebro>stockholm
[10:04] <cuddykid> glad pico is still up there!
[10:04] <cuddykid> any news on S9BUOB?
[10:04] <jcoxon> i'll be back in short while
[10:04] <fsphil> nothing since cuddykid
[10:04] <cuddykid> ah that's a shame
[10:04] <sm6u> SK6GX, not SK6JX sri
[10:05] <OZ1SKY_Brian> sm6u any help is much appreciated, would be nice to hear if its alone. I had SM4GGC check it for a few hours ago and he heard it
[10:05] <OZ1SKY_Brian> alone=alive
[10:05] <OZ1SKY_Brian> sorry been a long night
[10:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SM6U if you can help, i give you points in the next NAC :-)
[10:07] <sm6u> Heh. -GGC has quite nice gear I think.
[10:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SM6U i tryed on4kst chat room also, but i think all the SM4/6 are in sauna :-)
[10:08] <sm6u> :-)) I'm not so NACtive anymore, when I'm on I'm remote from east SM4. But will ofc try to get hold of someone who can track it :)
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[10:09] <sm6u> KST is only alive on Tuesdays, Thursdays and major ES/TROPO/MS days :-)
[10:09] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: PICO flight traveled through the night past Denmark now into Sweden - RTTY on 434.301Mhz #ukhas #hamr [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/259959566832369665]
[10:10] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SM6U ok i have to leave now, but a contractor waiting for me, i realy hope you can get in contect with someone in SM. Tack for hjælpen for nu, Hej do!
[10:10] <sm6u> Sure, cu!
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[10:11] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Hej hej, ses i næste NAC kan ske.
[10:11] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Bye everyone
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[10:15] <griffonbot> Received email: Tomasz Brol "[UKHAS] SP9UOB-2 received in Canada :-))"
[10:16] <mclane> openshot title
[10:16] <mclane> sorry wrong window
[10:16] <mclane> openshot title
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[10:17] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon $$PICO,3591,09:23:18,585788495,13754335,708,12,6,7*EFE
[10:17] <OZ1SKY_Brian> look in your email
[10:17] <OZ1SKY_Brian> off again
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[10:19] <sm6u> SM6V, Chris looked for PICO from JO57XK (bit far south but he has a good location), nothing heard.
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[10:22] <JFS1> If I'm reading that correctly - that last signal an hour ago has the pico getting rather low.
[10:23] <craag> Yeah, shall I manually upload that string to spacenear?
[10:24] <JFS1> It's really James' call - if you put it up can he pull it off easily if he wishes to?
[10:25] <SamSilver> jcoxon: ^^ what craag said
[10:25] <JFS1> I think jcoxon has disappeared briefly (see message at 11:04)
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[10:26] <craag> I'll put it up under OZ1SKY's callsign. I'm pretty sure PICO will be on the ground by now.
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[10:28] <craag> Ah, just noticed latitude field is garbled, there's one too many numbers.
[10:29] <fsphil> the checksum is missing a digit too
[10:30] <JFS1> Probably close to corect - if you plot to two decimal places it looks sensible on a map
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[10:31] <jcoxon> back
[10:32] <JFS1> Have you checked your email from Brian?
[10:32] <jcoxon> just checking
[10:32] <jcoxon> so its teh string that hes posted
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[10:33] <jcoxon> hmmmm 708m
[10:33] <jcoxon> thats low
[10:33] <fsphil> could be missing a digit
[10:33] <jcoxon> yeah
[10:34] <fsphil> hoping so
[10:34] <JFS1> But it's more than an hour ago if it's right
[10:34] <jcoxon> yeah
[10:34] <MiniMail> hoy much did PICO cost?
[10:34] <jcoxon> hmm difficult
[10:34] <JFS1> Did Brian say where the receiver was?
[10:34] <jcoxon> so lets think this through
[10:35] <jcoxon> i've emailed the guy who got that
[10:35] <jcoxon> if we can get some partials
[10:35] <Willdude123> Is condensation usually an issue with cameras on payloads?
[10:36] <eroomde> not usually
[10:36] <eroomde> but it's best to avoid things that can cause it like little glass windows for the camera to look through forming airtight seals
[10:38] <jcoxon> the position looks about right
[10:40] <Willdude123> So cameras usually have windows to look out of?
[10:41] <eroomde> no
[10:41] <eroomde> because that increases the chances of fogging
[10:42] <sm6u> I'm guessing it would be possible to record RTTY audio on a cellphone or voice memo, then decode it afterwards?
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[10:42] <SP9UOB> hi all
[10:42] <sm6u> I might run up the hill on my "backyard" to see if I can catch any signals
[10:42] <jcoxon> sm6u, certainly would
[10:43] <jcoxon> sm6u, that said that string that was posted suggests it is very low now
[10:43] <jcoxon> 708m
[10:43] <JFS1> Hi SP9UOB - brilliant flight yesterday - any update on what happened to your balloon?
[10:44] <sm6u> jcoxon, hope it's incorrect
[10:44] <jcoxon> sm6u, so do i
[10:44] <jcoxon> fsphil, JFS1 look at the temp - its lower then earlier
[10:44] <jcoxon> which is interesting
[10:45] <jcoxon> so that data suggests: https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=58.5788495,+13.754335&hl=en&ll=58.573981,13.754883&spn=6.949728,17.929688&sll=52.8382,-2.327815&sspn=8.047465,17.929688&t=m&z=6
[10:45] <SP9UOB> JFS1: thank You. No news about balloon - batteries died in half of predicted time (frozen?)
[10:46] <JFS1> jcoxon: that's a bit off predicted path - due to being at a lower altitude thus different weather patterns?
[10:46] <jcoxon> yes
[10:46] <Willdude123> Woah, the balloon with the callsign pico went cross country.
[10:47] <fsphil> I'm not sure I trust that temperature or altitude :)
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[10:47] <JFS1> SP9UOB-Any more plans for further flights soon?
[10:47] <jcoxon> hi SM0DFP_
[10:47] <fsphil> what type of batteries did you use SP9UOB?
[10:48] <Willdude123> Is PICO lost?
[10:48] <SP9UOB> JFS1: in early spring
[10:48] <Upu> wouldn't write it off just yet
[10:48] <SP9UOB> fsphil: CR123A
[10:48] <SM0DFP_> Hi James, I listen to 434.301 in JP90JC, but no sigs heard yet
[10:49] <jcoxon> SM0DFP_, ok thanks for listening
[10:49] <jcoxon> SM0DFP_, it might still be a little further west
[10:50] <jcoxon> or on the ground :-(
[10:50] <Upu> did that last string from Brian parse ?
[10:50] <jcoxon> no
[10:50] <JFS1> SP9UOB- Was the early battery death due to high Tx power perhaps?
[10:50] <Upu> ok
[10:50] <jcoxon> 3 digits for the checksum
[10:50] <jcoxon> but worryingly 708m alt
[10:51] <SM0DFP_> Yes I saw the prediction. I am located in the "landing area". Just 50km north of it.
[10:51] <SP9UOB> JFS1: because of low temperature after sunset i think
[10:52] Action: jcoxon hopes that it still floats
[10:52] <jcoxon> it would be amazing
[10:54] <fsphil> thankfully no power increases on this one :)
[10:54] <jcoxon> yeah but...
[10:54] <jcoxon> we haven't heard it
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[10:54] <sm6u> jcoxon: I'll be on my way in less than 10 minutes. Will mail you the audio file from the phone if I can hear it. How long is a complete information package in seconds?
[10:54] <Upu> if that altitude was correct James
[10:55] <jcoxon> sm6u, about 20 seconds
[10:55] <jcoxon> then a carrier for 1 second
[10:55] <jcoxon> then it repeats
[10:55] <sm6u> great
[10:56] <SamSilver> jcoxon: if you look at 58.5788495, 13.754335 in street view it shows lots of open grass land
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[10:57] <Upu> not buying that altitude in that last report
[10:57] <Upu> PICO,3591,09:23:18,585788495,13754335,708,12,6,7 CRC should = 0x6125
[10:57] <Upu> nothing like EFE
[10:58] <fsphil> crc will be very different even for a single bit out
[10:58] <Upu> Yep
[10:58] <Upu> but ignoring the missing checksum
[10:59] <Upu> something else is wrong with that sentence
[10:59] <fsphil> definitely yea, I don't trust any of those values
[10:59] <craag> Extra number in latitude?
[10:59] <fsphil> although the position seems roughtly right
[10:59] <Willdude123> Planning a trip to Norway/Sweden?
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[11:01] <Willdude123> Why is the flight taking so long (PICO)?
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[11:02] <fsphil> another mention on southgate: http://www.southgatearc.org/news/october2012/low_altitude_balloon_floating_towards_sweden.htm
[11:03] <JFS1> Willdude123-Mylar balloon so floats - but unfortunately it appears that doesn't stop it developing a leak.
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[11:03] <Upu> Yeah too much wrong with that sentence, it has extra digits in the coords
[11:04] <Upu> I tried a few combinations to see if I get anything like that CRC but nothing
[11:04] <Upu> Oh HAM in Oslo listening out
[11:04] <Upu> nothing heard
[11:05] <Upu> what was last frequency ?
[11:05] <jcoxon> 434.301
[11:05] <JFS1> Probably too far from Oslo now but worth a go.
[11:06] <JFS1> Have we found out where the location of the HAM is who picked up that slightly garbled string?
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[11:10] <mclane> Beschreibung
[11:11] <jcoxon> JFS1, that was sm6mfa
[11:14] <jcoxon> okay
[11:14] <jcoxon> so sm6mfa has got back to me
[11:15] <jcoxon> signal was quite good for 30mins before that telem but by the time he had it already to decode it then started to disappear
[11:15] <MiMail> :(
[11:16] <JFS1> Any news on what was happening to altitude during the 30 mins?
[11:16] <jcoxon> he wasn't ready to receveid
[11:17] <jcoxon> so no decode
[11:17] <JFS1> Looks like he is based in Vanersborg which is sensible based on the coordinates in that last string.
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[11:18] <Laurenceb_> looks like it burst on sunrise
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[11:20] <jcoxon> Laurenceb_, not sure its a burst at sunrise
[11:20] <JFS1> jcoxon: Any idea when you might do the HAB you had wanted to launch yesterday?
[11:21] <jcoxon> not sure
[11:22] <jcoxon> might be a while to tell the truth
[11:24] <jcoxon> i think we should post that single data point
[11:26] <navrac2> my gut says its still up.
[11:26] <jcoxon> lets post it
[11:26] <navrac2> it dropped overnight, the raised withe the sunrise, the dropped as the surrounding air warmed - then was dropping slowly
[11:26] <jcoxon> i can always remove it
[11:27] <navrac2> it didnt go high enough to burst or spring a leak
[11:27] <OH6EH> I informed some active Finnish hams about your project. It's quite far away still though... Congrats for a nice idea!
[11:27] <jcoxon> oops
[11:27] <jcoxon> wrong place
[11:27] <jcoxon> let me fix that
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[11:28] <navrac2> so i would assume its just around 2800 feet with limited range
[11:28] <navrac2> metres even
[11:29] <JFS1> If that where it is we need listeners in Inverness.
[11:31] <DrLuke> oh man, that sp9uob video is amazing
[11:31] <m0psi> hi drLuke, got a url for the video?
[11:31] <DrLuke> http://sp9uob.verox.pl/balon/SP9UOB.mp4
[11:31] <DrLuke> that's from canada
[11:32] <DrLuke> http://i.imgur.com/pUsyL.png
[11:32] <DrLuke> amazing
[11:32] <m0psi> hmm, that mp4 URL doesn't see to do much
[11:32] <DrLuke> you have to download it
[11:33] <m0psi> y, may be chrome is being silly
[11:33] <jcoxon> fixed spacenear.us
[11:33] <jcoxon> everyone refresh
[11:34] <DrLuke> oh man your flight is so cool
[11:35] <jcoxon> i've added that point
[11:35] <jcoxon> i don't think the altitude is right
[11:35] <m0psi> very much, jcoxon, super cool
[11:36] <m0psi> this has encouraged me to do one with WASP (our school project)
[11:36] <griffonbot> @rafvz: "@jamescoxon: Calling any S Norway or Sweden radio operators - balloon floating towards u on 434.301Mhz USB RTTY #ukhas #hamr" #sverige #ssa [http://twitter.com/rafvz/status/259981497950420993]
[11:36] <jcoxon> m0psi, i perhaps wouldn't advise a pico as a first flight
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[11:38] <m0psi> ok, jcoxon, will have to chat with you about that/generally, maybe at a launch
[11:39] <DrLuke> just do a normal launch like I'm going to do
[11:39] <m0psi> hoping to go to the launch near newbury, I think m0pou is involved in
[11:40] <m0psi> sure, wasp-1 will be a vanilla launch, but will not be able to do it from the school. I had a look at the aviation chart, and it is a busy airspace. so no point of even asking CAA
[11:40] <DrLuke> lol
[11:41] <eroomde> better
[11:42] <DrLuke> well time to do some work now, later guys
[11:44] <m0psi> that is a cool video drluke, it is nice to see how it is supposed to work
[11:44] <navrac2> if the last station to hear was at vanersborg then it dissapearing does rather coincide with the radio horizon at that height. Do we know what he was listening with?
[11:44] <jcoxon> IC706MkIIg, ? wave mobil antenna 3m agl 70 m asl .
[11:44] <jcoxon> My QTH JO68EG
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[11:47] <bbjunkie> jcoxon - the page makes my internet explorer run slow and pop up a message asking if I want to stop running the script, FYI
[11:48] <bbjunkie> runs fine in firefox
[11:48] <jcoxon> oh yeah its cause there are loads of points on the map
[11:49] <jcoxon> its been tracking a lot of flights this weekend
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[11:50] <JFS1> Time to go - thanks for a great flight James
[11:50] <jcoxon> np
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[11:57] <griffonbot> @BarbaraJean777: RT @jamescoxon: Calling any South Norway or Sweden Radio operators - balloon floating towards you on 434.301Mhz USB RTTY - reports welco ... [http://twitter.com/BarbaraJean777/status/259986859621482497]
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[12:00] <Willdude123> How heavy is the payload on PICO? Why is the flight taking so long?
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[12:02] <jcoxon> Willdude123, its 31grams
[12:02] <jcoxon> the foil balloon finds equilibrium
[12:04] <navrac2> 700m height reading at ~60m is quite an ask from a quater wave at 3m
[12:04] <Willdude123> OK. So what is in the payload.
[12:04] <Willdude123> *?
[12:04] <navrac2> unless the ground is really flat
[12:06] <Elwell> thought the tracker used to show the altitude profile
[12:06] <jcoxon> Willdude123, gps, atmega328 micro and rfm22b radio
[12:06] <sm6u> Now back from the hilltop. Not a beep heard :-(
[12:06] <Elwell> ah found the tab
[12:06] <Willdude123> No camera?
[12:06] <jcoxon> Willdude123, no camera
[12:07] <Willdude123> Were you expecting it to go to Norway?
[12:07] <sm6u> Oh, now I see why. SM6MFA picked it up far more east?
[12:08] <number10> jcoxon - where/how do you run the hysplit trajectory?
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[12:14] <zyp> hmm, shame I don't have a radio, I'm in south norway and should have been able to pick this up
[12:16] <navrac2> upu: happy birthday
[12:17] <fsphil> cake!
[12:17] <Laurenceb_> its got to be down now
[12:17] <Laurenceb_> impressive distance
[12:19] <jcoxon> number10, i'll run one now
[12:20] <jcoxon> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/10312_trj001.gif
[12:21] <navrac2> ive just used google maps to drive the route from the locator square to the edge of the fjord - its very flat - i think the fading is consistent with it being a valid height.
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[12:22] <Lunar_Lander__> hello
[12:22] <Lunar_Lander__> I see that PICO made it to sweden!
[12:22] <jcoxon> i think we call the mission a success
[12:22] <jcoxon> and call it a day
[12:23] <navrac2> I think so - well done jcoxon
[12:23] <Lunar_Lander__> yeah congratulations! :)
[12:24] <jcoxon> quick measure on google maps gives it 1050km
[12:24] <navrac2> pretty impressive and how many hours?
[12:25] <jcoxon> i work it out as 18hrs
[12:25] <jcoxon> oh wait
[12:25] <jcoxon> launch was at 1430 UTC
[12:25] <navrac2> 21 hours?
[12:26] <jcoxon> and final point was 0923
[12:26] <navrac2> was the last point plotted a the time it was entered or from gps time?
[12:26] <DrLuke> wow thing suddenly get funky when you have 2 bags labelled C14
[12:26] <DrLuke> damn
[12:26] <jcoxon> gps time
[12:26] <Willdude123> jcoxon : Are you going to Sweden or are you getting someone from sweden to mail it?
[12:26] <jcoxon> Willdude123, oh its lost
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[12:26] <navrac2> no one to find it..
[12:27] <MiniMail> lost in space xD
[12:27] <Willdude123> Do you think you'll find it?
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[12:27] <jcoxon> navrac2, i make it 19hrs
[12:28] <navrac2> i did it from the height graph
[12:29] <jcoxon> oh yeah
[12:29] <jcoxon> that doesn't work
[12:29] <number10> doesnt sort of tell me how to run one jcoxon
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[12:29] <jcoxon> oh well you need to go to the website
[12:30] <jcoxon> run a forecast traj
[12:30] <navrac2> well very impressive , I just wish we had a way of finding out what caused it to die
[12:30] <^ph> long good flight it has taken :-)
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[12:31] <jcoxon> number10, whats the flickr link
[12:31] <number10> http://www.flickr.com/photos/65839734@N04/sets/72157631817488630/with/8107871408/
[12:31] <m0psi> nice pics guys
[12:32] <m0psi> vid
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[12:33] <jcoxon> navrac2, we've never had a balloon this far north really
[12:34] <Randomskk> very casual launch :P
[12:34] <jcoxon> well you know
[12:35] <Randomskk> yup
[12:35] <Upu> yeah a very cool launch :
[12:35] <m0psi> y, quite impressive mission
[12:35] <Upu> :)
[12:35] <number10> appy bithday Upu
[12:35] <Upu> cheers number10 :)
[12:36] <Upu> so do we think PICO is dead then ?
[12:36] <RG-lz1dev> happy bday Upu :)
[12:36] <Upu> my silly mates have bought me an 8000 lumen torch
[12:36] <Randomskk> heh
[12:36] <m0psi> aaah, bless :-)
[12:37] <Randomskk> is it suitably bright
[12:37] <Randomskk> can you melt things?
[12:37] <Randomskk> 8000 lumens is quite a lot of lumens
[12:37] <Upu> its insane
[12:37] <LazyLeopard> ...for spotting payloads hanging from the highest brances in the dark?
[12:37] <navrac2> for night time launches?
[12:37] <Upu> indeed
[12:37] <m0psi> how much does it weigh?
[12:37] <m0psi> payload?
[12:37] <Upu> lol
[12:37] <Upu> alot
[12:38] <Randomskk> oh man
[12:38] <Randomskk> my torch is only 260 lumens
[12:38] <Laurenceb_> hysplit was very accurate
[12:38] <Upu> http://kaidomain.com/product/details.S020277
[12:38] <Randomskk> and that's already really very bright
[12:38] <Randomskk> what the shit
[12:38] <Randomskk> so many lumens :P
[12:38] <Willdude123> Upu, can it burn stuff?
[12:38] <Randomskk> 260 is enough to light up a huge building at night, I dread to think what 8000 does
[12:39] <Randomskk> happy birthday btw
[12:39] <Upu> thanks
[12:39] <Upu> not sure Willdude123 not left it on long enough
[12:39] <fsphil> illuminate a balloon at 10km
[12:39] <Upu> the whole end cap is a heatsink
[12:39] Action: Laurenceb_ ponders a balloon tracking lidar
[12:39] Action: fsphil ponders lunch
[12:40] <Upu> well I think that constitutes a sucessful test of 1.8V GPS
[12:40] <fsphil> very
[12:40] <Upu> good job James
[12:40] Action: RG-lz1dev ponders whenever Upu will be consumed by a swarm of bugs
[12:40] <Upu> I best make another one
[12:40] <jcoxon> Upu,agreed
[12:40] <fsphil> not only does it attract them, but then it melts them
[12:40] <fsphil> poor bugs
[12:40] <Upu> probably melt before they get there
[12:41] <RG-lz1dev> fsphil: delicious?
[12:41] <fsphil> mmmmm
[12:41] <fsphil> this could solve world hunger :)
[12:41] <fsphil> talk about a bright idea
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[12:43] <Lunar_Lander__> jcoxon, when it switched to slow hell, it stayed in that mode?
[12:44] <jcoxon> no it switched back
[12:44] <navrac2> it switched back on schedule
[12:44] <Lunar_Lander__> ah
[12:44] <Lunar_Lander__> on what time?
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[12:44] <navrac2> i was sitting in bed checking all night and waiting at 7 am for it to come back and it did
[12:45] <Lunar_Lander__> cool
[12:45] <Lunar_Lander__> how did you program that jcoxon ?
[12:45] <Lunar_Lander__> did you check the GPS time to switch it?
[12:45] <jcoxon> yes
[12:45] <Lunar_Lander__> ah
[12:45] <Lunar_Lander__> with some if statement?
[12:50] <jcoxon> https://github.com/jamescoxon/PicoAtlas/tree/master/Pico74
[12:51] <Willdude123> If I use SDR, is there a high probability of loss of the payload?
[12:52] <Upu> if you stay close
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[12:52] <Upu> and you have some experience in doing it no
[12:52] <craag> Willdude123: There's a lot more to go wrong (software crash, laptop overheat, etc) and the sensitivity isn't generally as good, so if things do go wrong (eg. damaged antenna on the payload), you migh not be able to track it.
[12:53] <craag> That said, an RTL-SDR worked fine for my pico launch.
[12:54] <craag> But I did have to shelter the laptop from the sun to stop it fatally overheating.
[12:55] <Lunar_Lander__> thanks jcoxon
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[13:12] <cuddykid> great work jcoxon and Upu :)
[13:13] <MiniMail> Satelite tracking program? pc
[13:21] <jcoxon> bbl
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[13:26] <Willdude123> I am confused. Can someone help me attempt to decode http://tenbus.co.uk/icaruscapture.mp3 ? I am just getting random letters from dl-fldigi.
[13:30] <x-f> Willdude123, open dl-fldigi in HAB mode, go to "DL client" -> Configure -> All payloads (testing)
[13:30] <x-f> type "icarus" in search box, select it and press autoconfigure
[13:31] <Willdude123> OK, still getting random letters.
[13:32] <x-f> place red lines above yellow lines on the waterfall with your mouse
[13:32] <x-f> make sure "AFC" on the right bottom corner is green
[13:33] <Willdude123> I had a single line that made sense there!
[13:33] <Willdude123> But it is gone.
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[13:34] <x-f> my dl-fldigi crashed again
[13:36] <Willdude123> TNX FER QSO , 73, GOD BLESS
[13:36] <Willdude123> What is that supposed to mean?
[13:37] <fsphil> it's one of the default macros in fldigi
[13:38] <Willdude123> OK.
[13:39] <Willdude123> I am still getting random letters, no matter where the lines are.
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[13:43] <x-f> maybe your sound input is too low
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[13:51] <SM-ham> Anyne here?
[13:52] <x-f> yup
[13:52] <SM-ham> Ok, so whats up here? (heh)
[13:53] <DrLuke> balloons
[13:53] <DrLuke> and stuff
[13:53] <DrLuke> :P
[13:54] <SM-ham> I guessed, I found this chat following a balloon that drifted over to sweden
[13:55] <DrLuke> ah yeah
[13:55] <DrLuke> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[13:56] <SM-ham> Yep, that one... I'm waaaay to far north to hear it
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[13:58] <DrLuke> aww :/
[13:58] <navrac2> we think it came down at about 12 cet
[13:58] <SM-ham> So, any other exiting balloon projects floating around (heh)
[13:58] <navrac2> i think there are more launches on tuesday
[13:58] <SM-ham> Okay, so anyone close to the site looking for it?
[13:59] <navrac2> if you go to ukhas - click on the mailing list - they are announced there
[13:59] <navrac2> no we couldnt find any hams close.
[13:59] <navrac2> nearest was 100km
[13:59] <SM-ham> Okay, whats the regulations for launching balloons in the UK? Here it is virtually impossible to get a permit
[14:00] <DrLuke> why?
[14:00] <SM-ham> If it was 100km from me I would be in my car now
[14:00] <navrac2> for small balloons (<2m in all directions inc payload) no regs, above 2m then you need to apply for a notam (notice to airmen) which is not normally refused
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[14:01] <navrac2> just takes a long time
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[14:02] <Randomskk> you need to apply for a permission to launch
[14:02] <Randomskk> and that permission also results in a NOTAM being issued to airmen
[14:02] <Randomskk> the notam doesn't grant permission, it's literally just a notice to airmen saying you plan to launch
[14:03] <navrac2> true - sorry i oversimplified it
[14:03] <Randomskk> the permission is a notice of variation to the air naviation order
[14:03] <Randomskk> it would be nice if there was another word to simply put it
[14:03] <Randomskk> like "you apply for an NoV"
[14:03] <SM-ham> A fellow ham here in sweden is trying to get a permit for a 2000g Pawan ballon
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[14:06] <SM-ham> He has he payload done and is working on the groundstation now, but he might not get the permit
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[14:08] <gb73d> has the ballon landed in Sweden ?
[14:09] <SM-ham> They seem to think so
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[14:09] <gb73d> ty
[14:09] <SM-ham> I'm 1000km away
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[14:14] <sm6u> SM-ham, where are you located?
[14:14] <asdf__> something is transmitting on 434.301 every 3rd minute last heard 14:12 utc
[14:15] <SM-ham> In the northern part of sweden
[14:15] <SM-ham> SM2
[14:15] <sm6u> Oh, far away then :)
[14:15] <SM-ham> Kp03
[14:16] <sm6u> lule'+
[14:16] <sm6u> ?
[14:16] <SM-ham> Okay maybe not 1000km then
[14:16] <Willdude123> Are there any mirrors for SDR# because my parental control software blocks the SDR# website ?
[14:18] <mfa298> asdf__: where are you located and does it sound like rtty.
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[14:20] <asdf__> Aneby sweden, it sounds more like packet radio bursts ever 3rd minute
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[14:23] <mfa298> so not too far off from where the baloon was last spotted although that was a few hours ago
[14:24] <mfa298> I think the baloon was a fairly continuous rtty transmission though
[14:24] <DrLuke> blink.c, the most satisfying code ever written
[14:25] <Willdude123> craag: Yep.
[14:25] <mfa298> someone should probably re-write blink.c so that it displays "Hello World!" in morse code.
[14:25] <SM-ham> It might be low on battery and sending burst, quitting, regaining power and transmitting? (dont know, just guessing)
[14:25] <DrLuke> haha
[14:28] <mfa298> SM-ham: although in theory I think the circuit should still have a few hours of life left. I believe a similar circuit had been tested to 27 hours.
[14:29] <mfa298> but it could be possible it's getting low and the uC is getting rebooted. Might be interesting to see if what asdf__ is hearing decoded as the baloon.
[14:30] <SM-ham> The temperature is quite low in Sweden, the battery life could be affected
[14:32] <Lunar_Lander__> SM-ham, hello
[14:33] <Lunar_Lander__> why is it a problem to get a NOTAM in Sweden?
[14:33] <mfa298> whilst it was running i think the reported temperature was at 10C but it's possible it's dropped since.
[14:36] <SM-ham> I think we have strongly regulated airspace here, that's why
[14:36] <SM-ham> I got 0c here, grounlevlel
[14:38] <SM-ham> Lunar_lander I think there has been som small party-balloon launches without permission, but for bigger balloons it seems hard to get a permit
[14:41] <Lunar_Lander__> ah
[14:43] <SM-ham> And the ham-balloon to be launched is quite a big project with multiple live videofeeds downlinked to a 3m parabola
[14:44] <SM-ham> Both Radar and Lidar tracking from ground and a GPS watchdog that cuts the payload if the ballon drifts into regulated airspace
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[14:50] <craag> SM-ham: Wow, sounds very ambitious!
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[14:55] <asdf__> last burst 14:18 utc did not manage to aktivate fldigi so no data recived
[14:58] <MiniMail> ':(
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[15:08] <SM-ham> Well it is an ambitious project :D It will have guided landingchutes too
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[15:18] <MiniMail> Finland anyone?
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[15:22] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THhOp95HM8c&feature=youtube_gdata_player on parachute landings in Finland
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[15:31] <Guest23508> hi
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[15:34] <MiniMail> hi
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[15:45] <Lunar_Lander_> MiniMail, so you are from Finland?
[15:47] <MiniMail> Lunar_Lander_: yupp
[15:47] <Lunar_Lander_> cool
[15:47] <MiniMail> Lunar_Lander_: :) you?
[15:47] <Lunar_Lander_> the land in which HAB was invented
[15:47] <Lunar_Lander_> :)
[15:47] <Lunar_Lander_> germany
[15:48] <MiniMail> jee :)
[15:48] <MiniMail> talked to germany some times. :)
[15:49] <Lunar_Lander_> :)
[15:49] <Lunar_Lander_> but I am correct that HAB was invented in Finland in 1967?
[15:50] <MiniMail> i have no idea :P
[15:50] <MiniMail> i found this "hobby" today :) insteresting stuff
[15:51] <MiniMail> want to send something upp ;)
[15:51] <Lunar_Lander_> :)
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[15:53] <number10> MiniMail: if you have not already seen it there is a wiki about HAB http://ukhas.org.uk/
[15:53] <MiniMail> need a better antenna -.- cbradio antenna its not the best for this freq. :P
[15:53] <MiniMail> yes i know that :)
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[15:57] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Hi
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[15:57] <Lunar_Lander_> hello OZ1SKY_Brian
[15:57] <Lunar_Lander_> good work tracking PICO
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[16:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> how did it end?
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[16:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> I see james got a swedish tracker for the last part
[16:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> I can feel the tracking, not much sleep last night, might have to turn in early tonight :-)
[16:03] <MiniMail> hehe :) Pico is landed. somewhere
[16:04] <number10> you did well OZ1SKY_Brian
[16:05] <OZ1SKY_Brian> number10 it was fun to finaly do some tracking again
[16:05] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Its been a long time since Apex
[16:06] <number10> Would be good to do some more in your direction ...
[16:06] <number10> Having seen jcoxons pico launch I would like to do one my self
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[16:06] <MiniMail> me 2 :)
[16:07] <number10> I bought balloons and gas a while back but have not made a lightweight tracker board
[16:07] <number10> my tracker is too heavy for a pico
[16:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> number10 we are ready for you :-)
[16:07] <number10> :)
[16:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Might be at my new QTH by the time you launch, then ill have a better takeoff to the west and also a beam up
[16:09] <OZ1SKY_Brian> The northsea is not easy to cover from UK or DK
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[16:09] <OZ1SKY_Brian> So im planing to put up a beam just for HAB
[16:10] <Lunar_Lander_> cool
[16:10] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Got a spare 16elem i could use
[16:11] <number10> that sounds great OZ1SKY_Brian
[16:12] <OZ1SKY_Brian> did pico break any records for pico flights?
[16:12] <OZ1SKY_Brian> it was a very long flight i would think
[16:13] <number10> I think maybe - OZ1SKY_Brian, but I was just a spectator at the launch so you will have to ask jcoxon
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[16:15] <Imtol> hello
[16:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> OK. Dinnertime here, back later
[16:17] <griffonbot> Received email: David Bowkis "Re: [UKHAS] Re: UK launches this weekend"
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[16:24] <MiniMail> is that PICO balloon homemade?
[16:25] <Upu> the balloon was a Mylar one I think
[16:25] <Upu> bought
[16:25] <MiniMail> aha
[16:26] <MiniMail> http://www.shindigz.com/party/Silver-Star-Mylar-Balloon.cfm?source=igodigital yeah. i found a star :)
[16:27] <Upu> http://www.randomaerospace.co.uk/Random_Aerospace/Balloons.html
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[16:28] <Lunar_Lander_> MiniMail, there you can see the balloon http://www.flickr.com/photos/65839734@N04/sets/72157631817488630/
[16:28] <MiniMail> sweet. *added to bookmark*
[16:28] <MiniMail> yes :)
[16:28] Action: MiniMail is added to google groups. :=)
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[16:31] <Lunar_Lander_> MiniMail, are you from Helsinki?
[16:32] <MiniMail> Lunar_Lander_: noes. Vasa.
[16:32] <Lunar_Lander_> ah
[16:33] <Lunar_Lander_> but you surely know Vaisala?
[16:33] <MiniMail> no :(
[16:34] <MiniMail> what is thaT?
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[16:42] <Laurenceb_> http://www.flickr.com/photos/65839734@N04/8109010980/in/set-72157631817488630/lightbox/
[16:43] <Laurenceb_> whats over jcoxons head?
[16:43] <m0psi> i noticed that too
[16:44] <m0psi> it look more like a party balloon than a weather balloon
[16:44] <m0psi> unless someone is good with photoshop :-)
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[16:45] <m0psi> hey this could rais the question; did this actually happen? or is this part of some big conspiricy to make su THINK that it did
[16:45] <m0psi> very elaborate I must say.
[16:46] <m0psi> involving getting the server to plot all those fake Rx points
[16:46] <m0psi> and make text entry in the IRC channel
[16:46] <m0psi> very impressive :-)
[16:48] <SpeedEvil> a wind indicated?
[16:48] <SpeedEvil> indicator
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[16:48] <SpeedEvil> tied near launch site
[16:48] <m0psi> that's boring :-(
[16:49] <SpeedEvil> also, note the jet frame left
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[16:50] <m0psi> oh right, did not see that
[16:50] <SpeedEvil> and there is a bird, I think above the tree on he right
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[16:55] <number10> Laurenceb_: it is a small balloon that jcoxon put there to see the wind direction
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[16:56] <tvingen> hello
[16:56] <MiniMail> helo
[16:56] <Laurenceb_> ah
[16:57] <tvingen> Im from Sweden
[16:57] <tvingen> how do i add my rx station to the map
[16:57] <Laurenceb_> something hit you on the head?
[16:57] <MiniMail> tvingen: välkommen :)
[16:57] <number10> you need to download fl-digi
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[16:58] <tvingen> minimail tack
[16:58] <number10> and when you track you will get added to the map
[16:58] <number10> your station will only be on the map while you track and for about 12 or so hours after
[16:59] <MiniMail> tvingen: :) where in swe. iam in Finland, Vasa :)
[16:59] <tvingen> karlskrona blekinge
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[16:59] <MiniMail> oke
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[17:02] <SP9UOB> mn/sc
[17:02] <SP9UOB> soorry
[17:02] <k6sts> Any words on kj6uxa-4 launch?
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[17:06] <OZ1SKY_Brian> tjena tvingen
[17:06] <tvingen> hej
[17:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> tvingen have you downloaded dl-fldigi?
[17:07] <tvingen> yea
[17:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> also done the install?
[17:08] <tvingen> hmm i downloaded fldigi not dl-fldigi
[17:08] <tvingen> give me link plz
[17:08] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi
[17:09] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Windows version http://habhub.org/files/dl-fldigi/dl-fldigi-DL3.0-windows-8714c31.exe
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[17:11] <tvingen> yea done
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[17:11] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok open the program via the HAB mode shortcut
[17:12] <tvingen> yea
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[17:13] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok, to to menu line and click "configure" then "operator"
[17:13] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok, go to menu line and click "configure" then "operator"
[17:13] <OZ1SKY_Brian> then click the fan "DL Client" and sub fan "Location"
[17:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> let me know when your there
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[17:19] <Lunar_Lander__> hi tvingen are you from Denmark?
[17:19] <Lunar_Lander__> I was guessing because OZ1SKY_Brian talks to you
[17:19] <Lunar_Lander__> xD
[17:20] <OZ1SKY_Brian> He´s from Sweden
[17:20] <Lunar_Lander__> ah
[17:20] <Lunar_Lander__> sorry
[17:21] <Lunar_Lander__> from where in sweden if I may ask tvingen ?
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[17:25] <tvingen> blekinge tving karlskrona
[17:25] <Lunar_Lander__> ah
[17:27] <tvingen> i am still not in the map
[17:27] <Randomskk> check you put something in the altitude box (like, 0)
[17:34] <Lunar_Lander__> someone in Finland is on the tracker map
[17:35] <MiniMail> link?
[17:35] <Lunar_Lander__> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[17:36] <OZ1SKY_Brian> tvingen what did you put in as lat lon and alt?
[17:36] <MiniMail> ah wtf.
[17:37] <MiniMail> Lunar_Lander__: thats me. hmm. i was playing with that program xD
[17:37] <MiniMail> shit happens :P
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[17:37] <MiniMail> whops. "sirio gay-master" xD
[17:39] <SamSilver> my mate at the flat earth society are looking into this >http://www.flickr.com/photos/65839734@N04/8109010980/in/set-72157631817488630/ they suspect it is the old "smoke, mirrors and party balloon" fake launch
[17:40] <SamSilver> mates
[17:40] <SP9UOB> "flat earth society" lol
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[17:41] <SP9UOB> they dond belevie in curvature of the Earth :) ?
[17:41] <Laurenceb_> http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/
[17:41] <SamSilver> SP9UOB: and that the moon landings were fake!!
[17:41] <SP9UOB> ah ok
[17:42] <SP9UOB> and Elvis is still alive ;-)
[17:42] <eroomde> arko: ping
[17:56] <^ph> phx.dk/pico.html
[17:56] <OZ1SKY_Brian> tvingen did you work it out?
[18:07] <Lunar_Lander__> hi ^ph
[18:10] <SP9UOB> good night all
[18:10] <Lunar_Lander__> good night SP9UOB
[18:10] <SP9UOB> that was exciting weekend :-)
[18:10] <SP9UOB> See You
[18:10] <MiMail> Gn
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[18:11] <Lunar_Lander__> MiMail, are you from Finland too?
[18:12] <MiniMail> MiMail its MiniMail
[18:12] <MiniMail> :)
[18:12] <MiniMail> MiMail @ android phone
[18:16] <Lunar_Lander__> ah :)
[18:17] <MiMail> Yeeeee :)
[18:17] <fsphil> there are many copies, and they have a plan
[18:18] <Lunar_Lander__> xD
[18:18] <Lunar_Lander__> MiMail, sorry I missed your question
[18:18] <fsphil> quite possibly involving a balloon, some trackers, and perhaps the destruction of mankind
[18:18] <Lunar_Lander__> Vaisala was founded by Vilho Väisälä and makes radiosondes
[18:18] <Lunar_Lander__> xD
[18:23] <MiniMail> Lunar_Lander__: aah haha :D down in Helsinki?
[18:23] <Lunar_Lander__> yeah as far as I know
[18:24] <MiniMail> ofc. all the funny things are down there -.-
[18:24] <Lunar_Lander__> they are in Vantaa says wikipedia
[18:24] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] Re: UK launches this weekend"
[18:25] <MiniMail> yeah.
[18:25] <MiniMail> thats close to helsingfors
[18:25] <MiniMail> Helsinki*
[18:25] <Lunar_Lander__> ah
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[18:25] <MiniMail> ye
[18:25] <Lunar_Lander__> and Väisälä led the observatory in Ilmala
[18:25] <MiniMail> okey
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[18:29] <Lunar_Lander__> and I read that when they expanded to the US, they changed the company name from Väisälä to Vaisala
[18:29] <Lunar_Lander__> :)
[18:30] <MiniMail> hehe :P
[18:30] <MiniMail> ofc :P
[18:31] <Lunar_Lander__> ofc?
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[18:32] <MiniMail> of course :)
[18:32] Nick change: SamSilver -> SamSilver_bed
[18:32] <Lunar_Lander__> ah :)
[18:32] <MiniMail> (:
[18:33] <Lunar_Lander__> I just have the problem that I read in several papers about references to their own newsletter "Vaisala News" which is not in the university libraries in germany and which they don't have online
[18:34] <Lunar_Lander__> I don't know if they'd help me with copying for me the articles I'd need
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[18:35] <MiniMail> okey. weel. you can ask them?
[18:35] <Lunar_Lander__> yea
[18:36] <Lunar_Lander__> I just don't want to be arrogant or so
[18:36] <Lunar_Lander__> xD
[18:36] <MiniMail> :):)
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[18:36] <Lunar_Lander__> hi jcoxon our balloon champion
[18:37] <Lunar_Lander__> :)
[18:37] <griffonbot> Received email: mclane "[UKHAS] Re: Launch announcement PYSY on 20.10.2012"
[18:38] <fsphil> did you track PYSY Lunar_Lander__?
[18:38] <MiniMail> 20.10.2012?
[18:38] <Lunar_Lander__> no, sorry
[18:38] <Lunar_Lander__> I was all set for ATLAS
[18:39] <^ph> Hi
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[18:40] <^ph> jcoxon: phx.dk/pico.html
[18:40] <number10> all set for atlas - more not much differnce in the setting for traking PYSY Lunar_Lander__
[18:40] <Lunar_Lander__> yeah but all set also meant the time
[18:41] <Lunar_Lander__> I slept when PYSY was aloft
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[18:41] <jcoxon> ^ph, amazing - I'm going to send you a qsl card
[18:41] <fsphil> shame
[18:41] <^ph> he he
[18:41] <fsphil> that's a good decode ^ph
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[18:42] <^ph> Thanks :-)
[18:42] <jcoxon> thank you for track - i hope you had fun
[18:42] <jcoxon> i like slow-hell
[18:42] <jcoxon> something very cool about it
[18:43] <^ph> I had a lot of fun :)
[18:43] <MiniMail> can someone send me a transmitter? :)
[18:43] <MiniMail> so i dont need to make one :P
[18:44] <fsphil> hah, just saw the launch video
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[18:44] <fsphil> if only they where all like that
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[19:05] <MiMail> All died?
[19:06] <Lunar_Lander__> hopefully not
[19:06] <Lunar_Lander__> hello sa6bss
[19:06] <MiMail> :p
[19:06] Action: fsphil checks pulse
[19:06] <sa6bss> Hi there :)
[19:06] <Lunar_Lander__> are you from sweden?
[19:07] <sa6bss> yes
[19:07] <Lunar_Lander__> cool
[19:07] <Lunar_Lander__> I correctly identified a callsign
[19:07] <Lunar_Lander__> :)
[19:07] <sa6bss> listening on 434.301 but cant hear anything
[19:08] <Lunar_Lander__> ah the balloon has probably landed somewhere
[19:08] <Lunar_Lander__> it dropped all the time when it was last heard
[19:09] <costyn> evening all
[19:09] <costyn> I see I missed an interesting weekend. Unfortunately had lots of other (boring) stuff to do
[19:10] <Lunar_Lander__> oh
[19:10] <sa6bss> ok, its been raining all day so it probaably got heavy
[19:10] <Lunar_Lander__> yea
[19:11] <jcoxon> sa6bss, oh that is interesting to know
[19:11] <DrLuke> this buzzer has the most annoying sound ever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhde6ZlcGcw
[19:11] <jcoxon> perhaps it went low got wet and descended further
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[19:14] <jcoxon> ^ph, those records are really good
[19:14] <SpeedEvil> DrLuke: I have a _much_ more annoying clock radio
[19:14] <jcoxon> nice and clear signal
[19:14] <DrLuke> SpeedEvil: ouch
[19:14] <Lunar_Lander__> DrLuke, is that your buzzer?
[19:14] <DrLuke> yes
[19:14] <SpeedEvil> same frequencies as a crying baby
[19:14] <DrLuke> it's the low battery warning
[19:15] <Lunar_Lander__> ah
[19:15] <DrLuke> (this by the way isn't a balloon payload)
[19:15] <eroomde> what is it?
[19:17] <SpeedEvil> robot hoover?
[19:18] <DrLuke> A custom adotion of Flarm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLARM
[19:18] <DrLuke> adoption*
[19:18] <DrLuke> it's intended for hang gliders, as there aren't any satisfying solutions for them
[19:20] <SpeedEvil> interesting
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[19:21] <costyn> DrLuke: that is an awful sound
[19:21] <DrLuke> imagine you're flying
[19:21] <DrLuke> and your batteries get low
[19:21] <DrLuke> :))))
[19:21] <costyn> DrLuke: yes, you'd want to know
[19:22] <DrLuke> yeah
[19:22] <costyn> DrLuke: I've done some hang gliding, looks interesting
[19:22] <DrLuke> what I meant it, constant annoying sound
[19:22] <DrLuke> we once had a glider with a malfunctioning weight-warning
[19:22] <DrLuke> or was it landing gear warning... I can't remember
[19:22] <DrLuke> but just imagine flying with a constant annoying beeping for 8 hours
[19:22] <costyn> urrghh
[19:23] <DrLuke> aahhh... fun times
[19:23] <DrLuke> I remember flying that one time where the elevator wasn't secured and could've come loose any time
[19:23] <DrLuke> I was flying for 5 hours in rough thermals
[19:24] <DrLuke> loose = fall off
[19:24] <costyn> oops
[19:24] <costyn> DrLuke: but this is for gliders or hang gliders or both?
[19:24] <DrLuke> this is just intended for hang gliders
[19:24] <costyn> or do you only need the alarm for hang gliders because you don't have onboard battery
[19:25] <DrLuke> but it's compatible with the system gliders use
[19:25] <costyn> ah ok
[19:25] <DrLuke> so glider pilots will see the hang gliders
[19:25] <DrLuke> hang gliders don't get any warning, they just broadcast
[19:25] <costyn> hehe ok, don't remember the right of way rules for different types of gliders
[19:25] <DrLuke> hang gliders have the right of way
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[19:26] <DrLuke> simply because they can't get out of the way as easily
[19:26] <costyn> ok
[19:26] <costyn> yea
[19:26] <DrLuke> but it's always so nice, they're the only people who wave :)
[19:26] <costyn> hehe
[19:27] <costyn> I liked doing it, but OMG the hassle of carrying around the glider on top of the car and then having to travel hundreds of KM to get to a mountainous spot, just too much
[19:28] <costyn> DrLuke: going to sell my gear next year I think. May try a paragliding course
[19:28] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "[UKHAS] Pico Launch 20/10/12"
[19:28] <DrLuke> costyn: oh, I actually meant paragliders
[19:28] <DrLuke> not hang gliders, sorry for the confusion :P
[19:28] <DrLuke> but hang gliders certainly can use this, too
[19:29] <costyn> well.. now I'm offended
[19:29] <costyn> :P
[19:29] <DrLuke> :P
[19:29] <DrLuke> well it's because in germany paragliders are called "hängeschirmflieger", which literally translates to hanging chute flyers
[19:29] <costyn> ah
[19:30] <costyn> dragonflyer is what hang glidrs are isn't it? drachenfliger?
[19:30] <costyn> flieger*?
[19:30] <costyn> or am I translating it too literally now
[19:30] <DrLuke> yep
[19:30] <DrLuke> too literally :)
[19:30] <costyn> hehe
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[19:31] <costyn> but but... drachen is dragon in German, so says Google translate
[19:31] <DrLuke> it is
[19:31] <DrLuke> but it also is a kite
[19:31] <costyn> I see
[19:31] <DrLuke> it's the same word for two things
[19:31] <DrLuke> what was the term for that again...
[19:32] <costyn> dunno
[19:32] <OH6EH> It would be fun to chase a balloon with a paraglider :-)
[19:32] <fsphil> "We're being attacked by the fire-breathing kite" doesn't sound as bad
[19:32] <DrLuke> OH6EH been there, done that :P
[19:32] <DrLuke> sometimes a lone party balloon comes flying up
[19:33] <DrLuke> I stopped flying into them when one clogged up the inlet for measuring airspeed
[19:33] <costyn> haha
[19:33] <OH6EH> In fact when I saw the news about this balloon, I damned the weather.
[19:33] <OH6EH> Paramotor?
[19:33] <DrLuke> no, this: http://www.dg-flugzeugbau.de/Data/dg1000-7.jpg
[19:34] <costyn> DrLuke: sexy sexy
[19:34] <DrLuke> Our club has 2 :P
[19:34] <OH6EH> OK, nice.
[19:34] Action: SpeedEvil kinda wants a motor glider.
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[19:34] <OH6EH> I have still two flights to a license...
[19:34] <DrLuke> although when I fly with an ASK21, this is what it looks like most of the time: http://www.lsg-schaeferstuhl.de/Events/2006/Vorankuendigung/ASK21_2.jpg
[19:35] <fsphil> get a good view of the ground
[19:35] <costyn> DrLuke: nice! :D
[19:36] <DrLuke> haha indeed
[19:36] <OH6EH> Still narrower view than from a paraglider :-D
[19:36] <DrLuke> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa3xnU8vTb8
[19:36] <DrLuke> I'm sitting in the back
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[19:36] <DrLuke> aaahhh!
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[19:37] <x-f> HALP
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[19:37] <r2x0t> lol
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[19:37] <DrLuke> I can see the pixels
[19:37] <costyn> I see a woman in a red dres
[19:37] <costyn> dress*
[19:37] <jonsowman> er, what?
[19:37] <DrLuke> But it's just code
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[19:37] <DrLuke> Well, in case it drowned: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa3xnU8vTb8
[19:38] <DrLuke> I'm the one sitting in the back
[19:38] <SpeedEvil> fail
[19:38] <fsphil> lol
[19:38] <DrLuke> To the shame cube with you
[19:38] <SpeedEvil> I assumed it was a link
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[19:38] <SpeedEvil> stupid data/image
[19:38] <costyn> DrLuke: nice :)
[19:38] <OH6EH> Indeed :-)
[19:39] <SpeedEvil> http://www.airliners.net/photo/1260622/
[19:40] <costyn> SpeedEvil: I laughed and cringed at the same time
[19:40] <x-f> DrLuke, good soundtrack :)
[19:40] <DrLuke> thanks :P
[19:40] <DrLuke> SpeedEvil: ouch :P
[19:40] <DrLuke> it's a floater
[19:40] <DrLuke> ba dum tsss
[19:41] <fsphil> turnsoutit'snotthateasyjet
[19:42] <DrLuke> haha
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[19:46] <jonsowman> I was looking the other way
[19:48] <number10> wb daveake XD
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[19:49] <daveake> nice to bb number10 :)
[19:49] <number10> you must be somewhere near LA now
[19:49] <daveake> Currently at LAX awaiting first flight
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[19:51] <number10> no prangs on the camper?
[19:51] <daveake> Nope, none.
[19:51] <number10> ah so you dint let julie drive (I will hide now)
[19:51] <daveake> Though one wheel cover fell over somewhere
[19:52] <daveake> Totally unprovoked of course :D
[19:52] <number10> unprovokes on those small roads?
[19:52] <number10> -d +d
[19:52] <daveake> Honestly, I have no idea what happened to it
[19:53] <number10> have a good flight home!
[19:53] <daveake> Normally that would have cost me $18, but they decided not to charge me on account of them providing the RV without a working hot water heater
[19:54] <daveake> Which I fixed by plugging in the loose molex connector on the control PCB :D
[19:54] <daveake> thanks :)
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[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> back
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[19:57] <Chris___> Hi all, found this group through the main webpage. I am a teacher of Geography in Stoke on Trent. One of my year 8 classes has shown real interest in weather, in particular changes of temperature at altitude. As a reward for their hard work this half term I have agreed to look into the possibility of launching a weather balloon from school. Having done some background reading this seems possible, a lot of good FAQ's out there
[19:58] <Chris___> would be prepared to act as a point of contact to bounce some questions off as and when I get them?
[19:58] <Chris___> All help appreciated!
[19:58] <daveake> Here's the best place to ask, assuming the wiki doesn't cover it :)
[19:59] <daveake> ot - pic from the last day of my hols - https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/579157_10151107671842654_1458375558_n.jpg
[19:59] <DrLuke> Chris___: Read the wiki, if anything is unclear after that, ask here
[20:00] <DrLuke> we're glad to help
[20:00] <DrLuke> Just a quick question to you: Do you know any electronics?
[20:00] <Chris___> Yeah I'm pretty good with electronics
[20:00] <DrLuke> And twhere is Stoke in Trent
[20:00] <DrLuke> UK?
[20:00] <Chris___> West Midlands between Birmingham and Manchester, yes UK
[20:01] <DrLuke> ah
[20:01] <daveake> Top Tip - Get yourself invited to a launch to see how it works :)
[20:01] <DrLuke> ^
[20:01] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:02] <daveake> If you fancy a trip to Germany I'm sure Lunar will be launching RSN
[20:02] <DrLuke> maybe you don't even have to entirely launch your own ballon but can piggy back your payload onto another balloon
[20:02] <daveake> Failing that, there are lots of launches from near Cambridge
[20:02] <daveake> and I do quite a lot from Berks
[20:02] <daveake> DrLuke's suggestion is a very good one
[20:03] <DrLuke> a temperature sensor, a micro and an sd card would weight next to nothing
[20:03] <daveake> There have been a fair few launches with 2 or 3 payloads under the same balloon
[20:03] <fsphil> piggybacking is great, takes a lot of the pressure off
[20:03] <Chris___> It would ideal, however this is a project for the kids, and I'm not sure of the logistics of getting 30 kids down to Cambridge to see the launch!
[20:04] <DrLuke> maybe you can persuade someone to launch at your school :)
[20:04] <Lunar_Lander> DrLuke, it's Stoke-on-Trent
[20:04] <DrLuke> so?
[20:04] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:04] <Lunar_Lander> just so
[20:05] <daveake> I'm not necessarily :-) offering, but in the past I've done the piggybacking thing at someone else's site. e.g. you get the permission sorted for somewhere convenient, then someone else comes along with their tracker etc
[20:05] <Chris___> Fair enough, a case of finding the right chap and sorting out petrol money etc?
[20:05] <DrLuke> and cookies
[20:05] <DrLuke> everybody likes cookies :)
[20:05] <daveake> Bacon Butties
[20:06] <Chris___> As for the payload, we'd be looking to stick a camera onboard too, so not all that light
[20:06] <daveake> Butties are the official HAB currency
[20:06] <fsphil> bacon > cookies
[20:06] <DrLuke> you can strip cameras from all the unecessary plastic casing
[20:06] <daveake> I've done a camera payload in 185g, so they can be pretty light
[20:06] <Chris___> Sensor wise, I've used Valsala Raidiosonde's before...
[20:07] <daveake> That was without removing the plastic, flash etc
[20:08] <DrLuke> chris___: Well, maybe you want to join the ukhas mailing list
[20:08] <DrLuke> and write a mail
[20:08] <DrLuke> maybe somebody will be happy to help you
[20:08] <DrLuke> (I would if I weren't in germany :)
[20:08] <Chris___> Sounds good....how does one go about doing this?
[20:08] <DrLuke> hold on a sec
[20:09] <DrLuke> https://accounts.google.com/ServiceLogin?service=groups2&passive=1209600&continue=https://groups.google.com/group/ukhas&followup=https://groups.google.com/group/ukhas&authuser=0
[20:09] <DrLuke> or am I doing it wrong...? I'm not certain anymore
[20:09] <DrLuke> try this instead: http://groups.google.com/group/ukhas
[20:12] <Chris___> brill thanx
[20:13] <DrLuke> You're welcome
[20:13] <DrLuke> I really admire your effort
[20:14] <Chris___> What better way to stimulate learning than do kooky projects the kids love? Especially after the Baumgartner jump
[20:14] <DrLuke> haha indeed
[20:15] <DrLuke> once I launch my first balloon, I will offer my services to my old school
[20:16] <DrLuke> An old teacher of mine will probably pee himself about it :P
[20:16] <Chris___> Where abouts in Germany are you?
[20:16] <DrLuke> In the soutwest, in Baden-Baden
[20:16] <DrLuke> near Karlsruhe
[20:18] <Chris___> ah ok, have only made it as far as Koln and Friedrichshafen
[20:19] <DrLuke> Heh, nice :)
[20:22] <Chris___> posted up on the group
[20:23] <griffonbot> Received email: Chris Hillcox "[UKHAS] Re: Launch announcement: Vortex"
[20:23] <griffonbot> Received email: Chris Holloway "[UKHAS] Bit of help needed"
[20:28] <DrLuke> hah, speaking of piggybacking
[20:32] <Chris___> right well thanks for the help guys, catch you later
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[20:40] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Aerospace "Re: [UKHAS] Bit of help needed"
[20:46] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Gn all
[20:46] <DrLuke> night
[20:46] <fsphil> nite!
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[20:49] <griffonbot> Received email: David Akerman "Re: [UKHAS] Bit of help needed"
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[20:55] <griffonbot> Received email: Ed Moore "Re: [UKHAS] Bit of help needed"
[20:57] <griffonbot> Received email: Chris Holloway "Re: [UKHAS] Bit of help needed"
[20:58] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "Re: [UKHAS] Bit of help needed"
[21:01] <jcoxon> ping Upu
[21:01] <Upu> pong
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[21:03] <jcoxon> ping number10
[21:03] <jcoxon> addres please for qsl
[21:03] <eroomde> the clue is in his nick
[21:03] <eroomde> where is Dan
[21:04] <griffonbot> Received email: Chris Holloway "Re: [UKHAS] Bit of help needed"
[21:04] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[21:04] <Upu> e-mail him
[21:04] <Upu> he's in Paris atm
[21:04] <Upu> but he is responding to mail
[21:05] <jonsowman> who approved both of those :\
[21:05] <Upu> me
[21:06] <jonsowman> prob could have binned the "Thought I'd replied to this but seems not." one, but never mind
[21:06] <jonsowman> also gmail is failing and threading
[21:06] <jonsowman> *at
[21:06] <Upu> yeah I've lost track but never mind
[21:07] <griffonbot> Received email: Ed Moore "Re: [UKHAS] Bit of help needed"
[21:08] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "Re: [UKHAS] Bit of help needed"
[21:08] <Upu> my next mail will be best come chat on IRC
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[21:09] <DrLuke> Upu: he was on irc
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[21:09] <Upu> needs to come back
[21:09] <DrLuke> :)
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[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:10] <number10> ok jcoxon will email
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[21:11] <eroomde> whoops i guess i came in a bit low there
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[21:11] <eroomde> are arduinos really £25?
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[21:11] <eroomde> jesus
[21:12] <jcoxon> ping navrac2
[21:12] <russss> heh
[21:12] <russss> you can pick up an arduino clone for closer to £18
[21:12] <Upu> http://www.coolcomponents.co.uk/catalog/arduino-revision-p-583.html
[21:12] <Upu> I put delivery on
[21:12] <m0psi> y, farnell is a godo source:
[21:12] <m0psi> http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?SKU=1848687&MER=baynote-1848687-pr
[21:13] <m0psi> free delivery
[21:13] <m0psi> in fact less than 18:
[21:13] <m0psi> http://uk.farnell.com/arduino/a000066/eval-atmega328p-8bit-uno-rv3/dp/2075382
[21:13] <eroomde> it is a lot for a £3 chip
[21:13] <griffonbot> Received email: Chris Holloway "[UKHAS] Re: Bit of help needed"
[21:13] <jonsowman> mm, £170 farnell order
[21:14] <SpeedEvil> sigh.
[21:14] <griffonbot> Received email: Chris Holloway "Re: [UKHAS] Bit of help needed"
[21:14] Action: SpeedEvil wishes he had a way to order free stuff for projects.
[21:14] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Bit of help needed"
[21:14] <Upu> more than a actually £1.20 chip though
[21:15] <eroomde> you might want to check that email Upu :)
[21:15] <eroomde> you've put him in a race condition
[21:15] <jonsowman> lol
[21:15] <Upu> meh
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[21:15] <Upu> tired
[21:15] <Upu> sure he'll work itout
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[21:19] <griffonbot> Received email: John Underwood "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Launch announcement: Vortex"
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[21:21] <griffonbot> Received email: John Tanner "Re: [UKHAS] Bit of help needed"
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[21:22] <navrac2> amazing - all that advice and no contradictions!
[21:22] <jcoxon> navrac2, address please for a qsl card
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[21:24] <navrac2> no need jcoxon - I'd just lose it - I'm too disorganised
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[21:24] <jcoxon> i've written it now
[21:25] <jcoxon> pm the address
[21:25] <navrac2> oh ok - i'll stick it on my noticeboard, havent taken anything off that for 10 years so it will be safe there
[21:25] <eroomde> good catch
[21:26] <Lunar_Lander> hm Chris___ almost made it back here
[21:26] <Lunar_Lander> but he left like two minutes and 3 seconds later
[21:27] <navrac2> went back to read the next set of email replies
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[21:33] <Lunar_Lander_> that damn router
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[21:36] <nigelvh_> Having internet issues there Lunar?
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander_> yeah
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander_> it only happens once in a while
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander_> but it is annoying
[21:40] <nigelvh_> Understandably so.
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[21:49] <jcoxon> 15 qsl cards complete
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[22:08] <m0psi> jcoxon, do you send out qsl cards for the people who received your balloon data and uploaded it? or is that for you regular HAM work?
[22:09] <jonsowman> he's gone
[22:09] <m0psi> so he has
[22:09] <jonsowman> usually they're sent to people who received telemetry
[22:09] <m0psi> nice idea
[22:09] <jonsowman> i don't know the exact details of what James is doing with this one though
[22:09] <m0psi> quite a romantic one, i think
[22:09] <jonsowman> could be the top 20, perhaps
[22:10] <m0psi> sure, but just the thought of it is quite nice
[22:10] <fsphil> I've got one card so far, it's quite neat
[22:10] <m0psi> oh, makes me wanna get one!
[22:10] <jonsowman> I got one from Upu a while ago thanks to some very fortunate geography
[22:10] <fsphil> I must do some card for my next flight
[22:10] <m0psi> hmmm, seems like WASP gang need to make one up too
[22:10] <m0psi> neat idea
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[22:12] <m0psi> i've secured a school trip for the wasp teams to go to SSTL
[22:12] <m0psi> surrey satellite tech company
[22:12] <m0psi> just down the road from us.
[22:13] <m0psi> should be quite exciting
[22:13] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Bit of help needed"
[22:13] <fsphil> I'd love to have done that at school!
[22:13] <m0psi> too right
[22:13] <jonsowman> we (CUSF) are a bit involved with SSTL at the mo
[22:13] <jonsowman> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-15476754
[22:13] <m0psi> oh
[22:14] <fsphil> we got to a local planetarium which was neat. that trip got me interested in radio :)
[22:14] <m0psi> this is sooo cool
[22:15] <m0psi> one of the kids at wasp said "oh we could play some disco music up there!"
[22:15] <m0psi> i said, funny you say that, i was thinking of having a microphone to measure/record the balloon popping
[22:16] <m0psi> but have a calibration sound, being played at different altitudes
[22:16] <m0psi> not quite the 'Alien' tag line, but kind of close :-)
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[22:17] <fsphil> in space, no-one can hear you scream ..... about the horrible plot in Prometheus
[22:17] <m0psi> saw that movie recently
[22:17] <m0psi> pretty good, i have to say
[22:18] <m0psi> not much gets close to alien, but that one did
[22:18] <fsphil> I had many issues with it
[22:18] <m0psi> my biggest issue was the too many 'copies' from the original
[22:18] <m0psi> they could have had a bit better creativity
[22:19] <fsphil> alien and aliens where my fav
[22:19] <fsphil> the other two, not so hot
[22:20] <m0psi> re: app to measure magnetic field. Hmmmm, I would have thought the electric currents in the gadgets would upset the measurement, even when calibrated (difficult to say the least)
[22:20] <m0psi> fsphil, agreed
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[23:56] <chris___> how do i contribute anything i hear to the plotting effort/records please?
[23:57] <Lunar_Lander_> ah you use the dl-fldigi you can find on the UKHAS website
[23:57] <Lunar_Lander_> that automatically uploads received data to spacenear.us
[23:58] <chris___> ok thanks. i use Ham Radio Deluxe is this software compatable?
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