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[00:37] <KT5TK_QRL> Just launched another Pico
[00:37] <KT5TK_QRL> http://aprs.fi/#!call=a%2FKT5TK-11
[00:37] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[00:37] <KT5TK_QRL> Here are some data:
[00:37] <KT5TK_QRL> Payload: Pecan Transmitter, 144.390 MHz APRS every 5 minutes (to save
[00:37] <KT5TK_QRL> battery). 55g weight.
[00:37] <KT5TK_QRL> 5 Mylar balloons, 80cm diameter each.
[00:37] <KT5TK_QRL> Total free lift: 34.5g
[00:37] <KT5TK_QRL> Balloon 1: 15.8 g lift
[00:37] <KT5TK_QRL> Balloon 2: 11.9 g lift
[00:37] <KT5TK_QRL> Balloon 3: 23.3 g lift
[00:37] <KT5TK_QRL> Balloon 1: 24.6 g lift
[00:37] <KT5TK_QRL> Balloon 1: 16.3 g lift
[00:38] <KT5TK_QRL> Perfect launch. absolutely no wind
[00:38] <KT5TK_QRL> Launched from my 10 story office building
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[00:41] <KT5TK_QRL> Hope to get float this time
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[00:43] <SpeedEvil> I guess you aimed it at popping the top two?
[00:45] <KT5TK_QRL> Well if one pops, chances are ha we keep floating for a while. Two is too much
[00:46] <SpeedEvil> ah
[00:47] <SpeedEvil> misread
[00:48] <KT5TK_QRL> actually it seems that ascent is slowing down significantly already
[00:49] <SpeedEvil> weather?
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[00:52] <KT5TK_QRL> Perfect. Sunshine 31 deg C, absolutely no wind.
[00:53] <KT5TK_QRL> launched at sunset
[00:54] Action: SpeedEvil sighs.
[00:54] <SpeedEvil> 8c today.
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[00:54] <SpeedEvil> it's actually warmed up to 9.1
[00:56] <daveake> 32 here
[00:56] <daveake> well was. cooling down now
[01:02] <SpeedEvil> I should have zoomed out from KT5TK 's launch
[01:02] <SpeedEvil> is he another Australian?
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[01:10] <KT5TK_QRL> No I'm actually German, but I work here in Houston TX
[01:14] <SpeedEvil> I guess it was about that time in Texas.
[01:15] <SpeedEvil> I was confused by the °C
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[02:01] <KT5TK_QRL> Looks like float?!
[02:01] <SpeedEvil> woo!
[02:01] <SpeedEvil> what's the time on battery?
[02:02] <KT5TK_QRL> It's an Energizer Li 9 V block
[02:03] <KT5TK_QRL> Since GPS is off for most of the time I hope for more than a day.
[02:03] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[02:04] <KT5TK_QRL> The switching of of the GPS is likely the cause for some error posits.
[02:04] <KT5TK_QRL> The lease quality may be sometimes sub optimal
[02:05] <SpeedEvil> are you supplying it with keep alive power?
[02:05] <SpeedEvil> to maintain clock in low power mode
[02:05] <KT5TK_QRL> No, the GPS is completely off, as soon as I have a posit
[02:06] <KT5TK_QRL> More float!
[02:06] <SpeedEvil> you may actually save power on many GPSS by using suspend mode, as they can give you a position in 6s or so, then go back to sleep
[02:08] <KT5TK_QRL> Yes, another posibility. However you know about Upu's problem.
[02:09] <SpeedEvil> no
[02:11] <KT5TK_QRL> As I've heard, his last tracker didn't wake up after he put it to sleep.
[02:16] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[02:17] <SpeedEvil> don't remember that one
[02:26] <KT5TK_QRL> Here are some pics from the Pico launch: http://tkrahn.dyndns.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=8315
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[02:29] <daveake> The issue Upu saw was that if he puts the GPS into low-power mode, and it then loses lock, it doesn't regain it (even if placed in full-power mode). I don't know if he got to the bottom of it.
[02:29] <SpeedEvil> odd
[02:29] <SpeedEvil> was this on a real flight?
[02:30] <daveake> I saw it when I flew his tracker for him - lost lock in the car on the way to the launch site. I powered it off then on again, and it was fine for the flight.
[02:31] <daveake> Now, this may not be the GPS receiver's fault ... the code his using to send commands and parse the replies is a bit, erm, sub-optimal
[02:31] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[02:31] <daveake> When I get time I'll add the low-power stuff to my code and see if I can reproduce
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[03:25] <KT5TK_QRL> KT5TK-11 Still floating at 18000 ... 19000ft
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[03:33] <heathkid> does everyone use a regular Li battery block?
[03:35] <heathkid> problems with Li-Poly?
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[03:50] <MLow> dang did i miss a balloon launch?
[03:50] <MLow> where is a good schedule?
[03:51] <MLow> i wanna listen for packets :(
[03:54] <navrac_home> whereabouts are you mlow?
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[04:08] <heathkid> KT5TK: are you in Texas?
[04:13] <daveake> MLow If you're on twitter, follow @arhaballooning for launch announcements
[04:18] <KT5TK> KT5TK: are you in Texas? - Yes, Houston TX
[04:20] <KT5TK> KT5TK-11 for 4 hours in the air. Telemetry still says float above 18 kft
[04:20] <KT5TK> http://aprs.fi/telemetry/a/KT5TK-11
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[04:30] <MLow> daveake: gotcha
[04:30] <MLow> navrac_home: texas
[04:30] <MLow> austin to be exact
[04:30] <MLow> why is it floating
[04:33] <MLow> intentional?
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[04:43] <KT5TK> Yes, intentional. http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:microballoons:data
[04:44] <KT5TK> Mylar party balloons are a bit like superpressure balloons if they get barely filled
[04:44] <MLow> http://www.icstars.com/apage1/2010/Balloon/IMG_9893.jpg lol
[04:45] <MLow> ok so basically you put a tiny tracker on some mylar balloons
[04:45] <MLow> awesome
[04:50] <MLow> it appears from aprs.fi it is out of range :(
[04:50] <KT5TK> Yess, its not very high. out of radar range.
[04:51] <MLow> :O
[04:51] <MLow> quickly, to the boats
[04:51] <KT5TK> Hope it'll come back to Louisiana in the morning
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[04:53] <MLow> is that where predictions put it?
[04:57] <KT5TK> Last telemetry was 21 mins ago. still above 17 kft
[04:58] <MLow> are you not igating?
[04:58] <KT5TK> Too far for me
[04:58] <MLow> where are you looking at telemetry then?
[04:59] <KT5TK> http://aprs.fi/telemetry/a/KT5TK-11
[05:00] <KT5TK> I have the GPS altitude there in 1000 ft steps as a backup
[05:00] <MLow> aprs telemetry is still a mystery to me
[05:00] <Darkside> hehe
[05:01] <Darkside> we forked trackuino to add telemetry
[05:01] <Darkside> i need to bug our aprs guy to commit his latest updates to SVN
[05:03] <KT5TK> Same as I did
[05:03] <SpeedEvil> oh - neat. pinch+zoom works on Apr.Fri maps
[05:03] <SpeedEvil> ^s
[05:05] <KT5TK> aprs.fi has a nice phone interface. I only sometimes wish I had the desktop interface on my phone because it has more options
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[05:05] <Darkside> yeah
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[05:09] <KT5TK> The last telemetry from KT5TK-11 was captured by N4ELM-2 in Louisiana!
[05:09] <heathkid> wow
[05:10] <heathkid> we need a US HAB telemetry tracking network
[05:10] <Darkside> all the US groups use APRS
[05:10] <heathkid> sign me up
[05:11] <KT5TK> the UKHAS system works also in the US. I used it this summer with a PSK beacon
[05:11] <heathkid> my only experience with APRS is in storm chasing
[05:11] <MLow> telemetry packet came in
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[05:12] <KT5TK> Yeah, still alive and above 17 kft
[05:13] <MLow> why the aprs no get decoded?
[05:13] <KT5TK> Posits are longer than telemetry
[05:13] <KT5TK> more chances to be interrupted
[05:14] <MLow> raises the question why we dont just do like 4 small packets
[05:14] <MLow> :| *shrug*
[05:15] <heathkid> MLow: what would you send in those 4 small packets?
[05:15] <KT5TK> You need more battery power for 4 headers
[05:15] <KT5TK> however for DX this may be an idea
[05:15] <KT5TK> Or compressed posits
[05:16] <heathkid> sorry.... "posits"?
[05:16] <Darkside> positions
[05:16] <heathkid> tnx
[05:16] <KT5TK> Yeah!
[05:16] <KT5TK> All stable!
[05:17] <SpeedEvil> I recommend postits instead. they have glue on the back, and come in a range of colours.
[05:18] <MLow> like one for the basic aprs packet, stripped of everything to be small
[05:18] <MLow> maybe mic-e compressed
[05:18] <MLow> then a couple telemetry packets
[05:18] <heathkid> like NMEA but with less crap and more detail?
[05:19] <Darkside> well you can do compressed posits in aprs easily enough
[05:19] <Darkside> hmm i think our fork does that already
[05:19] <MLow> never figured it out, but i did peruse the aprs doc
[05:20] <MLow> telemetry could even be compressed but i dont think aprs.fi does that decoding
[05:20] <Darkside> yeah it does
[05:20] <Darkside> theres an aprs standard compressed telemetry thing
[05:20] <Darkside> base-91?
[05:20] <Darkside> i dont remember how it works
[05:21] <MLow> my brain hurts when i read the aprs doc
[05:22] <Darkside> it'll have to come out!
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[05:27] <KT5TK> When the morning comes, it'll come closer to the LA coast
[05:29] <griffonbot> @Asiier5: Ya despierto :S uff a ver k taaal sale el examen#habe2 [http://twitter.com/Asiier5/status/259526716031127552]
[05:29] <daveake> riiiight
[05:30] <KT5TK> We've had cold air slowly coming from the Rocky Mountains. LA is not influenced by this. There the wind comes from the warm Gulf
[05:32] <KT5TK> Another telemetry packet. Seems to warm up a bit
[05:33] <KT5TK> And another position :)
[05:34] <heathkid> -2C?
[05:35] <KT5TK> yes
[05:35] <heathkid> not exactly warm Gulf air is it?
[05:35] <heathkid> :)
[05:36] <KT5TK> What's the temperature at 17 kft in your area?
[05:37] <MLow> so compressed aprs packets are like, take you gps data, get the ascii code, subtract 33, print that ascii character?
[05:37] <MLow> my brain hurts again
[05:37] <heathkid> 8.5C in my backyard... so I guess -2C isn't all that cold afterall
[05:38] <heathkid> I can't get my weather station up to 17 kft right now... :P
[05:39] <heathkid> at least not tonight
[05:40] <heathkid> have a weathertap subscription... guess I need to learn how to use the aviation parts of it....
[05:42] <MLow> pretty slow descent, maybe a balloon poped?
[05:46] <KT5TK> No balloon poped. Just cooling down through the night
[05:46] <KT5TK> A popped balloon looks like this: http://tkrahn.dyndns.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=8141
[05:47] <KT5TK> one out of 3 balloons popped here
[05:54] <MLow> ah
[05:55] <MLow> well hopefully the sun warms it up before it gets too low
[05:55] <MLow> hit a big ass hulf oil rig
[05:55] <KT5TK> yes that's my hope also
[05:56] <MLow> holy crap
[05:56] <heathkid> that it warms up or hits an oil rig?
[05:56] <MLow> i shortened the aprs packet i send too much
[05:56] <heathkid> worse than a 40 ft. tree!
[05:56] <KT5TK> position
[05:56] <MLow> "delayed or out of order packet"
[05:56] <MLow> it needs a timestamp damn
[05:57] <MLow> is there a way around that?
[05:57] <MLow> trying to shorten it because it seems to get decoded much better that way
[06:00] <MLow> i should have left the sticker on the HX1
[06:00] <MLow> i took it off long ago and fiddled with the pots on it and now i cant get crap to work right lol
[06:00] <MLow> time to probably order another
[06:03] <MLow> someone long ago suggested I try to use the trim pots to adjust the center freq
[06:10] <MLow> that thing is way out there
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[06:36] <KT5TK> New Position
[06:38] <KT5TK> 16022 ft, Bat 8.1V (ok till ~4.5V), temp just below freezing point.
[06:39] <KT5TK> http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=9&call=a%2FKT5TK-11&timerange=21600
[06:45] <x-f> your pico floater towards Europe?
[06:49] <KT5TK> :) let's see if we suvive the night. 15852 ft
[06:55] <oh7lzb> Long way to Europe :)
[06:56] <oh7lzb> Old-style telemetry it seems. KT5TK: http://he.fi/doc/aprs-base91-comment-telemetry.txt
[06:57] <oh7lzb> Anyone advertised that to you yet? Embeds higher-resolution telemetry within the position packet - no need to transmit separate packets for them.
[06:57] <oh7lzb> That's how it looks in raw packets: http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&call=OH7LZB-14
[06:57] <KT5TK> Yes, you told me recently. But I didn't get around to implement it yet
[06:58] <oh7lzb> Ah, sorry for the repetition. I forgot.
[06:58] <KT5TK> np. APRS.fi is doing a good job atm though.
[06:59] <oh7lzb> But you're transmitting telemetry as telemetry instead of just numbers in the comments, so we get the plots. Good, good.
[06:59] <KT5TK> Just the bad path warning is annoying for a 100 mW tx
[06:59] <KT5TK> It seems to block other important info
[06:59] <oh7lzb> Nah, the warning is valid.
[07:00] <oh7lzb> Doesn't depend on the TX power.
[07:00] <KT5TK> I don't question that. I just can't change the path atm
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[07:01] <oh7lzb> It'd be neat if the trackers had a little 'if (altitude > xxxx) path = "";' statement.
[07:02] <KT5TK> Someone said Wide2-1 was correct for balloons. probably outdated - but I have that now
[07:02] <oh7lzb> In low altitude it's good - at high altitude no digis is fine, everyone hears you in any case.
[07:02] <oh7lzb> No need to light up any digipeaters.
[07:03] <KT5TK> I'm just a few ft above 5000m now :(
[07:04] <KT5TK> E.g W5RAA-1 was in deed important as a didgi in this case
[07:05] <KT5TK> Sorry W5RRR-1
[07:06] <oh7lzb> Well yes, it seemed to be repeating it for a whole hour.
[07:07] <KT5TK> Can this be configured at the digi?
[07:08] <KT5TK> If he hadn't repeated it, it wouldn't have been igated at all.
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[07:37] <KT5TK> 14658 ft
[07:38] <fsphil> oh nice
[07:38] <fsphil> morning btw :)
[07:38] <fsphil> on the way to sunny florida from the looks of it
[07:38] <KT5TK> morning fsphil:
[07:38] <fsphil> do they have radios there? :)
[07:38] <KT5TK> Yes, they should.
[07:38] <fsphil> how big is the balloon?
[07:39] <KT5TK> Hope to rise when the sun comes
[07:39] <KT5TK> 5 x 80 cm
[07:39] <fsphil> ah, multiballoons
[07:39] <KT5TK> http://tkrahn.dyndns.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=8315
[07:40] <fsphil> habby birthday to you
[07:40] <fsphil> that's brilliant
[07:40] <KT5TK> :) helloween balloons were out
[07:42] <KT5TK> Total free lift: 34.5g
[07:42] <KT5TK> Balloon 1: 15.8 g lift
[07:42] <KT5TK> Balloon 2: 11.9 g lift
[07:42] <KT5TK> Balloon 3: 23.3 g lift
[07:42] <KT5TK> Balloon 1: 24.6 g lift
[07:42] <KT5TK> Balloon 1: 16.3 g lift
[07:42] <KT5TK> payload 55g
[07:43] <KT5TK> sorry, the balloons should count up
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[07:46] <Upu> morning
[07:46] <Upu> nice KT5TK
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[07:49] <SP9UOB> Hi
[07:49] <Upu> morning
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[07:49] <SP9UOB> Could someone check auto-configure to SP9UOB-2 ?
[07:49] <SP9UOB> some of my frends tell me so data length is set to 5 bits
[07:50] <SP9UOB> which is strange
[07:50] <Upu> 170 50 7/N/2 here
[07:50] <Upu> looks like PYSY is up
[07:50] <SP9UOB> 170/50/8/N/1
[07:50] <SP9UOB> should be
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[07:51] <SP9UOB> is there any way to correct it ?
[07:51] <Upu> I get 7N2 but that might be what I left it on
[07:51] <Upu> err
[07:51] <SP9UOB> Radio and telemetry configuration
[07:51] <SP9UOB> HF RTTY Tracker: 28.493MHz USB RTTY 50 baud 170Hz shift ASCII-8 no parity 2 stop bits
[07:52] <SP9UOB> from habitat
[07:52] <Upu> might be a bug in dl-fldigi not sure
[07:52] <SP9UOB> so auto-configure doesnt work as expected
[07:53] <Upu> if you want to practice PYSY should be in range shortly
[07:53] <Upu> need someone from the HABhub team to take alook
[07:53] <SP9UOB> in 20 mins i go to airport
[07:53] <Upu> ok
[07:56] <mfa298> I think there's been a few comments recently about autoconfigure not working correctly
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[07:57] <Upu> jcoxon is it quick to feed KT5TK-11 from APRS to spacenear.us ?
[07:59] <jcoxon> Upu, sure
[07:59] <jcoxon> hold on
[07:59] <Upu> you'll have to tell me how to do that at some point
[08:01] <jcoxon> hmmmm seems they have changed the aprs server a bit
[08:02] <oh7lzb> which server?
[08:03] <jcoxon> db.aprsworld
[08:03] <jcoxon> i have a script that grabs a csv for a callsign
[08:03] <jcoxon> then formats it and posts it to spacenear.us
[08:03] <jcoxon> its seems to be getting a few errors which upset my parsing
[08:04] <SP9UOB> someone have settings for pysy ?
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[08:04] <oh7lzb> Ah. Try http://aprs.fi/page/api if it gives the right info.
[08:05] <oh7lzb> Different API of course, so extra work to do.
[08:05] <jcoxon> oh7lzb, hehe
[08:05] <jcoxon> can i get a key?
[08:07] <oh7lzb> Make an user account, the API key is shown in account info
[08:07] <oh7lzb> everyone has one.
[08:07] <jcoxon> oh i see
[08:07] <number10> SP9UOB: Ipysy is 434.650 MHz, 460 Hz shift, 7 bits, no parity, 2 stop bits.
[08:10] <SP9UOB> number10: ok. Nothing here
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[08:15] <SP9UOB> Go up PYSY go !
[08:16] <SP9UOB> ;-)
[08:16] <SP9UOB> i have 4 minutes
[08:16] <Upu> I'm optimistially tuned in and pointed at PYSY
[08:16] <Upu> SP9UOB
[08:16] <Upu> jonsowman should have fixed yuor flight doc
[08:17] <Upu> err DanielRichman
[08:17] <SP9UOB> Upu: thank You
[08:18] <SP9UOB> many listeners here :-)
[08:18] <SP9UOB> also in Denmark and Geece
[08:19] <Upu> yeah thats impressive
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[08:20] <jcoxon> hey oh7lzb nearly got it all working
[08:20] <jcoxon> what format is time in?
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[08:24] <KT5TK> Timestamps are returned in the Unix time format
[08:24] <SP9UOB> ok, im going to the airport now. See You on 28.4935 MHz ;-)
[08:25] Action: LazyLeopard has a script somewhere to drop timestamps into and get something readable out...
[08:26] <number10> cu SP9UOB
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[08:30] <Upu> cheers hames
[08:30] <oh7lzb> jcoxon: yes, unix timestamps, same as time() returns. Seconds since 1.1.1970 00:00:00.
[08:30] <Upu> James
[08:30] <jcoxon> right got it working it seems
[08:30] <jcoxon> lets test quickly
[08:30] <oh7lzb> A whole 25 minutes.
[08:30] <oh7lzb> That was quick alright.
[08:32] <jcoxon> hmmm still haven't got time working
[08:32] <oh7lzb> I had a shower & shaved my beard during that time, and you did a client for my API.
[08:32] <oh7lzb> What language are you programming in?
[08:32] <oh7lzb> and what are you trying to convert to?
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[08:33] <jcoxon> oh7lzb, its in perl and it converts it to spacenear.us format and posts it
[08:33] <jcoxon> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[08:34] <oh7lzb> what is the spacenear.us time format then?
[08:34] <oh7lzb> Perl's time() returns the same timestamp format, and gmtime() & localtime() both accept a unix timestamp as parameter
[08:35] <jcoxon> oh i've got it working with gmtime
[08:35] <jcoxon> its just there aren't any further data points
[08:36] <oh7lzb> That might have an effect.
[08:42] <jcoxon> bingo
[08:42] <jcoxon> its working ow
[08:54] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "Re: [UKHAS] Re: UK launches this weekend"
[08:56] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/gjRYl.jpg and people complain when you come back with a 1kg of latex...
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[08:59] <fsphil> what a busy launch day
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[09:00] <fsphil> this flight would have been idea for lunar to track
[09:00] <jcoxon> i'm suprised others aren't getting it
[09:02] <fsphil> yea, just the chaser so far
[09:03] <fsphil> I've got some really bad noise on 434mhz today
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[09:04] <Upu> I suspect all the stations in Poland are tuned for SP9UOB
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[09:06] <jcoxon> hope that KT5TK gets another packet
[09:06] <fsphil> I've a very loud signal on 434.428 that's wiping things out
[09:06] <fsphil> but it sounds like it's moving (fading in and out)
[09:08] <Upu> might be out of range of any igates
[09:08] <jcoxon> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=cdc3a995061badf658da15673df084b219cb2b8f
[09:09] <fsphil> it does seem to be
[09:09] <fsphil> that's a huge area of no tracking jcoxon :)
[09:10] <jcoxon> yeah
[09:10] <jcoxon> going to be a challenge
[09:10] <jcoxon> we should be able to track certainly to float
[09:10] <jcoxon> and if it floats then...
[09:12] <fsphil> it may be out of range before it floats or sinks
[09:12] <fsphil> oh wait the burst icon isn't out to sea
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[09:13] <jcoxon> oh yeah we'll have it nicely floating before the sea
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[09:15] <jcoxon> fsphil, http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/12919_trj001.gif
[09:15] <jcoxon> haha
[09:15] <jcoxon> 48hrs
[09:16] <navrac_home> is that the pico prediction?
[09:16] <Upu> well thats not that bad a track
[09:16] <Upu> I should be able to get that and then hopefully Brian can take over
[09:16] <jcoxon> navrac_home, yeah
[09:16] <fsphil> oh nice
[09:16] <jcoxon> 6000m is quite a stretch
[09:17] <Upu> That area I'm good down to 1000m
[09:17] <navrac_home> ok, ill polish the rain off the antennsa for max performance and see if i can get it up a couple more feet
[09:17] <jcoxon> Upu, with 1.8v ava it was 27hrs with no power saving?
[09:17] <Upu> yes
[09:17] <Upu> 27.5 to be exact
[09:17] <jcoxon> navrac_home, going to need your help
[09:17] <navrac_home> not a problem
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[09:17] <jcoxon> Upu, so if i put in a bit of late night slow hell
[09:17] <jcoxon> we should be able to push that beyond 30hrs
[09:18] <Upu> probably extend it but its the GPS that takes the power
[09:18] <Upu> not the tx
[09:18] <navrac_home> try the low power mode again - it worked for me
[09:18] <navrac_home> but power saving is proportional to aerial gain
[09:19] <navrac_home> so stick a sarantel on for bestresults
[09:20] <jcoxon> navrac_home, no time to do that
[09:20] <navrac_home> if i get time i might try picking up a 22 ele crossed yagi and stick that up
[09:20] <jcoxon> not worth the risk
[09:20] <jcoxon> i'll just do some slowhell with 5 min gaps
[09:20] <jcoxon> and turn the gps off for a bit
[09:20] <navrac_home> no probably not - although you could turn the gps for those 5 minutes
[09:21] <jcoxon> yeah
[09:21] <navrac_home> that would get you to 2-3 days
[09:21] <Upu> put it in eco mode
[09:21] <navrac_home> i never found any great saving in eco
[09:22] <Upu> at 3.3v
[09:22] <jcoxon> 4mA max
[09:22] <Upu> this is 1.8v remember it may increase the effect
[09:22] <jcoxon> yeah its going into eco
[09:22] <navrac_home> right - out to the garage to find the missing piece of mast
[09:22] <Upu> navrac_work have you ever put a solar panel into a boost converter ?
[09:23] <fsphil> ah no latex launch today
[09:23] <Upu> not from the UK
[09:23] <fsphil> well, in the uk
[09:23] <Upu> PYSY burst
[09:23] <Upu> quite low
[09:23] <navrac_home> no - didnt bother - i found as soon as any sun hit it it got >3.3v
[09:23] <fsphil> still no other listeners
[09:23] <Upu> ok cheers navrac
[09:23] <fsphil> there's a small chance of receiving the hf launch today I guess
[09:24] <navrac_home> i just diode mixed it into the psu with scotkky diodes
[09:24] <jcoxon> yeah i think solar + a 1.8v payload and your are sorted
[09:24] <navrac_home> oh i worked out why your ncp1402 wouldnt start the gps upu
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[09:26] <Upu> go on
[09:26] <navrac_home> you once sent me one on a pcb for a ublox, tried it yesterday and noticed it wouldnt but mine would - turns out your inductor was a bit sma;; -swapped for one of mine and it could
[09:26] <sq3dho> Hi!
[09:26] <Upu> oh ok
[09:26] <Upu> interesting to know
[09:26] <Upu> hi sq3dho
[09:26] <Upu> what inductor did you use in the end ?
[09:26] <jcoxon> KT5TK isn't going to go near a digipeater until florida!
[09:27] <Upu> nope
[09:27] <navrac_home> same value - just physically sbout 2x the size
[09:27] <Upu> odd
[09:27] <navrac_home> probably saturated and couldnt hold enough charge
[09:28] <navrac_home> im still waiting for rs - after getting shouty and getting an apology from rs and parcelforce they promised it would be here by 10am today
[09:29] <navrac_home> until it arrives i cant finish my stabilisation circuit - which is a wind up as i put today asidre to get it finished.
[09:30] <fsphil> urg
[09:30] <navrac_home> i think ill give them another ring, get my best moaning voice on
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[09:32] <fsphil> fancy calling the CAA for me? :)
[09:32] <fsphil> actually I must ping them again
[09:32] <navrac_home> i'd think grovelling would work better with them
[09:32] <fsphil> yea
[09:32] <navrac_home> or bribery
[09:32] <fsphil> or bribes
[09:32] <fsphil> lol
[09:32] <navrac_home> lol
[09:33] <jcoxon> good day for a pico winds wise
[09:33] <jcoxon> shame about the cloud
[09:33] <navrac_home> yep looks it
[09:33] <navrac_home> dry here, but cloudy
[09:34] <navrac_home> i must find this last pole for the mast - those extra couple of feet will make a big difference to my range
[09:34] <number10> I have scaffhold on the house here - I wonder if I dare mount a pole on it
[09:35] <navrac_home> the fcd +hab amp is very sensitive - but the hill between me and the east tends to deafen it a bit at low angles
[09:35] <number10> do you use a collinear on the pole navrac_home
[09:35] <navrac_home> yep
[09:36] <navrac_home> ive got a 12 ele zl special but its a bit rubbish
[09:36] <number10> thats unfortunate
[09:37] <navrac_home> and a local ham has offered me a big crossed yagi - but i dont think the mast would take it at full height so im probably better off with the colineat
[09:37] <LazyLeopard> They're kinda fiddly to tune, I gather.
[09:37] <navrac_home> thats one way of putting it.
[09:37] <navrac_home> tune it on the mast at ground level - take it up 20 feet and its out
[09:38] <navrac_home> so its a case of tune|>up>down>tune - repead ad infinitum
[09:38] <number10> whats the mast made of?
[09:38] <navrac_home> aluminium
[09:38] <LazyLeopard> I've had folks who say they're the best ever, and folks who decided the best use for them was as bits for a home-brew...
[09:38] <navrac_home> theyregreat in a nideal world - but they detune in proximity to anything
[09:39] <number10> I bought one of those fiberglass poles - but putting that up with the weight of the collinear and its a bit worrying untill the gul lines are on
[09:39] <navrac_home> i can see it go out of tune as i rotate it in relation to the ridge line of the house
[09:40] <number10> guy
[09:40] <navrac_home> i dont always bother with the guys, then wake at 3am , hear the wind and run out in the rain in a panic to take it down
[09:40] <number10> lol
[09:41] <number10> the fibreglass one is too flixible
[09:41] <navrac_home> right biab - got to go and whine at rs
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[09:53] <jcoxon> hi m0psi
[09:54] <jcoxon> i thought i may have fixed the issue with dl-fldigi on os x
[09:54] <jcoxon> but i'm not so sure now :-)
[09:54] <m0psi> hi jcoxon
[09:54] <m0psi> oooh
[09:54] <m0psi> shall i download it
[09:54] <jcoxon> not yet
[09:54] <jcoxon> i need to test a bit more
[09:55] <m0psi> ok, do yuo want to do a behind the screens test?
[09:55] <jcoxon> the fix is available on github
[09:55] <m0psi> happy to do a 'not quite ready' test, if it helps with logs
[09:55] <jcoxon> but you'd need to compile it...
[09:55] <m0psi> :-(
[09:55] <m0psi> not in the frame of mind right now
[09:55] <jcoxon> haha
[09:55] <jcoxon> its not particularly easy i give you that
[09:56] <m0psi> oh good :-)
[09:56] <jcoxon> no its still crashing
[09:56] <m0psi> better than "a bit of a trivial one" :-)
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[09:57] <m0psi> hi rwat
[09:57] <m0psi> anyone trying to listen to the polish balloon on HF?
[09:58] <navrac_home> yippie - the missing parts are out for delivery today - despite rs saying it was now monday delivery
[10:02] <jcoxon> m0psi, might listen out when its up in the air
[10:02] <m0psi> should be now
[10:02] <m0psi> but there seems to be a lot of voice comms
[10:02] <m0psi> i don't know why he picked that part of the band
[10:02] <jcoxon> looks like its still on the ground
[10:03] <jcoxon> polish listeners are out in force
[10:03] <jcoxon> better then us!
[10:03] <m0psi> good for them
[10:03] <m0psi> but, he wants DX, so we are more valuable :-)
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[10:04] <mfa298> looks like it's just launched.
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[10:04] <m0psi> common jcoxon, I want to run up DL-fldigi :-)
[10:05] <jcoxon> let me test for a few more minutes
[10:05] <m0psi> ok, i'm here, so take your time
[10:05] <jcoxon> any idea balloon size for SP9UOB ?
[10:06] <SP9MLI> hi, there is no my position on spacenear from FL-DIGI
[10:06] <jcoxon> SP9MLI, there is often a slight delay before updating
[10:06] <jcoxon> also check that its the correct format
[10:06] <SP9MLI> will wait
[10:06] <SP9MLI> thanks
[10:06] <SP9MLI> whitch format ?
[10:07] <m0psi> 1.3m/s is a little slow, right?
[10:07] <jcoxon> DD.dddd DDD.ddddd
[10:07] <SP9MLI> where ?
[10:07] <jcoxon> m0psi, well depends what it is
[10:07] <jcoxon> go to DL Client
[10:07] <jcoxon> Configure
[10:07] <jcoxon> then the Location tab
[10:07] <jcoxon> and enter it there
[10:08] <jcoxon> bbiab
[10:08] <SP9MLI> i havent got a little dot
[10:08] <DrLuke> m0psi: if that's ascend rate: yes
[10:08] <SP9MLI> thanks
[10:08] <DrLuke> go for something like 4 m/s
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[10:08] <m0psi> jcoxon, i was thinking in terms of the 'usual' balloon launches here, certainly not the pico kind
[10:09] <SP9MLI> now it wors
[10:09] <m0psi> drLuke, y, i meant ascent rate
[10:09] <SP9MLI> thans
[10:09] <SP9MLI> it works
[10:09] <m0psi> so, the polish balloon is so far heading north
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[10:18] <sq5he> witam
[10:18] <sq5he> sByszaB kto[ ten balon/
[10:18] <fsphil> ooh, launch
[10:19] <jcoxon> m0psi, exactly
[10:19] <SP9MLI> po angielsku pisz
[10:19] <jcoxon> if its a normal latex at 1.3m/s it will definitley float
[10:19] <SP9MLI> anglish only
[10:20] <jcoxon> m0psi, what OS X version are you on?
[10:20] <sq5he> to ja nie zna w pi[mie
[10:20] <fsphil> no word from KT5TK-11
[10:21] <m0psi> jcoxon, os x 10.7.5
[10:21] <jcoxon> hmmmm i'm on 10.5.8
[10:21] <jcoxon> if i compile a universal binary not sure if it'll work
[10:21] <m0psi> we'll give it a try
[10:22] <m0psi> can you compile it specifically for mine?
[10:23] <Randomskk> I don't think a 10.5.8 build will run on 10.7.5
[10:23] <m0psi> bad answer randomskk
[10:24] <m0psi> i guess that was a 'major' os upgrade
[10:24] <Randomskk> two major OS upgrades in terms of library versions
[10:24] <m0psi> leopard to lion, right?
[10:25] <jcoxon> no harm in trying
[10:25] <m0psi> i agree
[10:25] <jcoxon> it'll error immediately if there is a problem
[10:25] <jcoxon> emailed
[10:26] <m0psi> standby...
[10:26] <m0psi> i'm going in....
[10:26] <jcoxon> back in a sec - need to go and catch the dog
[10:28] <m0psi> crashed :-( on launch
[10:28] <m0psi> randomskk, vindicated :-)
[10:29] <Randomskk> I don't take any pleasure in it :P
[10:29] <m0psi> :-)
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[10:30] <m0psi> jcoxon, i've sent back the new crash log
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[10:32] <jcoxon> oh thats a lib problem
[10:32] <jcoxon> i ain't fixing that
[10:33] <jcoxon> need someone with a newer version to compile a binary
[10:33] <m0psi> erm, can i compile on my box?
[10:33] <Randomskk> I can at some point, I have a ridiculous build environment set up to statically link all the libraries in
[10:33] <Randomskk> m0psi: it's not a hugely fun build process
[10:33] <Randomskk> what're we building?
[10:34] <m0psi> no, i can't imagine
[10:34] <jcoxon> the changes i've made to EZ.cxx
[10:34] <jcoxon> which stops dl-fldigi crashing
[10:34] <m0psi> dl-fldigi
[10:34] <Randomskk> jcoxon: do they work?
[10:34] <Randomskk> and did you notice that on your version, the flight doc stuff doesn't work?
[10:34] <Randomskk> (does it work?)
[10:34] <Randomskk> (it shouldn't)
[10:34] <jcoxon> its been running for 30mins now
[10:34] <jcoxon> decoding
[10:34] <Randomskk> (or at least parts of it doesn't work)
[10:35] <Randomskk> if you refresh the flight docs and try selecting a payload etc is that working?
[10:35] <m0psi> i don't mind doing it, but would need serious handholding, or even, would allow trustful souls to get into my mac
[10:35] <jcoxon> which bits shouldnt or should work
[10:35] <Randomskk> just bits around loading flight docs
[10:36] <jcoxon> seems to be working
[10:36] <jcoxon> if i select SP9UOB
[10:36] <Randomskk> curious. do you notice any errors being reported?
[10:36] <jcoxon> and autoconfigure it sets it up correctly
[10:37] <jcoxon> nope
[10:37] <Randomskk> as far as I can tell you built on top of the recent unreleased changes that alter how it interacts with the database, but the database hasn't been upgraded yet
[10:37] <Randomskk> someone else did that and it didn't work
[10:37] <Randomskk> <:/
[10:37] <jcoxon> i can't see pysy
[10:37] <Randomskk> click 'refresh' and see if it reports an error
[10:38] <jcoxon> no error
[10:38] <Randomskk> not even in the status bar or console?
[10:38] <Randomskk> :/
[10:38] <jcoxon> nope
[10:38] <Randomskk> okay, that's odd
[10:38] <jcoxon> it says uploaded listener telem successfully
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[10:39] <SP9UOB> and... IS UP :-)
[10:39] <jcoxon> no error sin the console
[10:39] <jcoxon> SP9UOB, what balloon?
[10:39] <jcoxon> latex?
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[10:39] <m0psi> we've been watching it sp9uob
[10:39] <SP9UOB> jcoxon: Hwoyee 1000 - trying to get float
[10:39] <jcoxon> think you might do that!
[10:39] <jcoxon> excellent ascent rate
[10:39] <jcoxon> though i haven't seen a 1000 float
[10:40] <jcoxon> just 1600 and above
[10:40] <m0psi> what is the payload weight sp9oub
[10:40] <Darkside> evening all
[10:40] <Darkside> hrm
[10:40] <m0psi> what does 'get float' mean? 'get required altitude'?
[10:40] <Darkside> what was horus 8...
[10:41] <Darkside> because that floated..
[10:41] <jcoxon> m0psi, so the ascent rate will tail off and it'll hold its altitude
[10:41] <Darkside> that might have been a 2kg though
[10:41] <SP9UOB> m0psi: 210 gram
[10:41] <Darkside> it was either 2kg or 1kg
[10:41] <Darkside> and had this ascent rate
[10:41] <m0psi> oh, so the intention is not to burst?
[10:41] <jcoxon> m0psi, exactly
[10:42] <jcoxon> it'll travel a long distance
[10:42] <m0psi> right
[10:42] <SP9UOB> jcoxon: no jetstream over Poland :-(
[10:42] <Darkside> oh wait this is *intended* to be a floater?
[10:42] <m0psi> what height is it calculated to float at?
[10:42] <SP9UOB> Darkside: yes
[10:42] <Darkside> aha
[10:43] <SP9UOB> baterries wil run over 20 hours
[10:43] <SP9UOB> m0psi: will se ;-)
[10:44] <jcoxon> SP9UOB, lots of time for some DX
[10:44] <m0psi> is the radio range ring on spacenearus (blue) calculated for line of sight UHF?
[10:44] <Darkside> yes
[10:44] <Darkside> line of sight whatever
[10:44] <jcoxon> blue is horizon
[10:44] <Darkside> it'll be the same for any radio signal
[10:44] <m0psi> sure, los
[10:44] <jcoxon> green 5deg above horizon
[10:45] <Darkside> just that HF has the possibility of skip also
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[10:45] <m0psi> sp9uob, why did you pick a band area that is voice ?
[10:45] <m0psi> getting a lot of russian traffic atm
[10:45] <Darkside> m0psi: its 10m, there's plenty to go around
[10:45] <Darkside> oh, interference
[10:45] <Darkside> heh
[10:46] <m0psi> 28.493MHz is what I am looking at
[10:46] <m0psi> and there is a lot of voice comms
[10:48] <SP9UOB> m0psi: goot propagation today
[10:48] <SP9UOB> good
[10:48] <m0psi> sp9uob, what is the transmission period, i.e. how often is the telem transmitted?
[10:48] <Darkside> and what's the output power
[10:50] <SP9MLI> 1W
[10:51] <SP9UOB> m0psi: every 25 seconds, transmision lasts about 12 sec
[10:51] <m0psi> ok, should be obvious then
[10:51] <m0psi> i've got a reasonable HF antenna here
[10:51] <m0psi> not directional though
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[10:52] <m0psi> i'm just south west of london
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[10:53] <SP9UOB> S9+60 here in Gliwice :-)
[10:53] <SP9UOB> hi Radim
[10:53] <radim_OM2AMR> hi tomek
[10:53] <radim_OM2AMR> I receive it :-)
[10:54] <SP9UOB> radim_OM2AMR: so go online
[10:54] <radim_OM2AMR> from 2000m, but decoding is harder
[10:54] <radim_OM2AMR> yes I'm, I sent one packet :-)
[10:55] <SP9UOB> :-0
[10:55] <SP9UOB> :-)
[10:55] <radim_OM2AMR> many QRM here from russian stations
[10:55] <SP9UOB> radim_OM2AMR: only crystal I have
[10:55] <SP9UOB> was for 28.490 MHz
[10:56] <radim_OM2AMR> great work!
[10:56] <radim_OM2AMR> what about ascent rate ? do you planned it ?
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[10:57] <SP9UOB> radim_OM2AMR: yes, as low ascend rate as possible
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[10:57] <SQ5NWI> Signal increasing here but QRM :-(
[10:57] <radim_OM2AMR> same here
[10:58] <radim_OM2AMR> so tomek, you will go to slovakia for pick-up :-)
[10:58] <SQ5NWI> I here it since half an hour but only 2-3 frames decoded so far due to QRMs. Anyway, good job Tomasz! :-)
[10:59] <m0psi> not getting much traffic at the moment, a little quiet. there is one guy slightly out of band
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[11:01] <radim_OM2AMR> I wish I have better narrower filter for that guy :-|
[11:01] <SQ5NWI> Tomek, can you still see it with your eyes?
[11:02] <radim_OM2AMR> good chacksum again ! Wow!
[11:02] <SQ5NWI> The same me :-(
[11:02] <SP9UOB> SQ5NWI: wait :-)
[11:02] <radim_OM2AMR> what's the power, just 1 W
[11:02] <radim_OM2AMR> ?
[11:02] <Upu> holy crap good morning Poland
[11:03] <radim_OM2AMR> :-)
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[11:07] <SP9UOB> radim_OM2AMR: about 980 mW
[11:07] <Upu> wow that is a slow ascent
[11:08] <Upu> intended to float ?
[11:08] <radim_OM2AMR> great tomek
[11:09] <SP9UOB> So many stations listening :-)
[11:09] <danielsaul> Could really have done with all these polish stations for Alpha, which coincidentally was a year ago Monday
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[11:20] <Lunar_Lander_> hey
[11:20] <Lunar_Lander_> why was the ATLAS flight cancelled?
[11:20] <SP9UOB> radim_OM2AMR: what about signal strength /
[11:21] <radim_OM2AMR> S4 last packet
[11:21] <Lunar_Lander_> oh hi SP9UOB and radim_OM2AMR
[11:21] <SP9UOB> Hi Lunar_Lander_ :-)
[11:21] <Lunar_Lander_> yeah
[11:22] <radim_OM2AMR> hi lunar
[11:22] <Lunar_Lander_> I was all set here for jcoxon's floater balloon
[11:22] <Lunar_Lander_> but in the mailing list he says that he won't fly it today
[11:22] <Lunar_Lander_> hi radim_OM2AMR how's things?
[11:22] <fsphil> any good DX yet?
[11:22] <SP9UOB> fsphil: Slovakia only
[11:23] <Lunar_Lander_> fsphil, do you know why jcoxon decided to fly the Pico only?
[11:23] <Lunar_Lander_> SP9UOB, let's try your balloon
[11:23] <Lunar_Lander_> can you give me the frequency please?
[11:24] <radim_OM2AMR> 28.49579 i have
[11:24] <fsphil> Lunar_Lander_: don't sorry
[11:24] <fsphil> going to setup an antenna for 10m now
[11:24] <Lunar_Lander_> oh it doesn't transmit on 70 cm?
[11:24] <SP9UOB> radim_OM2AMR: USB? Impossible ;-) TX on 28.49340
[11:25] <SP9UOB> Mark tone +1500 Hz
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[11:25] <Lunar_Lander_> radim_OM2AMR, I got a technical question on STS-1 if possible
[11:25] <radim_OM2AMR> middle freq abot 1 khz
[11:27] <radim_OM2AMR> SP9UOB, but I have DIGI/RTTY-USB mode on FT897 selected, so maybe that's the reason
[11:27] <SP9UOB> radim_OM2AMR: possible
[11:27] <radim_OM2AMR> lunar, maybe later, after SP9UOB flight ;-)
[11:28] <SP9UOB> is going south, Radim, be prepared ;-)
[11:30] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[11:30] <radim_OM2AMR> :-)
[11:30] <Lunar_Lander_> so 28 MHz?
[11:30] <fsphil> excellent number of stations there
[11:31] <radim_OM2AMR> SP9UOB S5-6 now
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[11:31] <number10> would be more if we could tx on ham band airborne
[11:32] <SP9UOB> number10: stupid regulations
[11:32] <SP9UOB> Just ask OFCOM to change rules
[11:32] <rwat> I think it's worth a campaign
[11:32] <m0psi> funny guy sp9uob
[11:33] <number10> it needs some senior ham members to do that SP9UOB
[11:33] <m0psi> don't you know we live in an oppressive state!? :-)
[11:33] <rwat> might take 10 years, but it could happen
[11:33] <SP9UOB> Just com to Poland and try to live here :-)
[11:33] <SP9UOB> come
[11:34] <Lunar_Lander_> m0psi, where are you from btw? from your callsign I always thought you're from the UK
[11:34] <m0psi> i am in the uk lunar_lander
[11:34] <m0psi> farnham, surrey
[11:35] <Lunar_Lander_> ah
[11:35] <SP9UOB> m0psi: my brother live in London and he say, "never come back" :-)
[11:35] <SP9UOB> but he is not HAM
[11:35] <m0psi> there is quite a large polish community in london
[11:35] <m0psi> we have one of our staff working FROM poland
[11:36] <m0psi> IT/web/etc
[11:36] <m0psi> Lunar_Lander, my name may have confused you (Ali al-Azzawi)
[11:36] <Lunar_Lander_> no, I didn't know that was your name :)
[11:36] <m0psi> ok, ignore it :-)
[11:37] <Lunar_Lander_> I was just a bit confused
[11:37] <Lunar_Lander_> got up about 20 minutes ago
[11:37] <m0psi> ?
[11:37] <Lunar_Lander_> XD
[11:37] <m0psi> ah, yes, getting up is positively correlated to confusion
[11:37] <Lunar_Lander_> :)
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[11:40] <radim_OM2AMR> ok, lunar, let's go with STS-1 question ;-)
[11:41] <mfa298> reading back 10 minutes - I wonder if the way to petition would be to ask Ofcom/RSGB for a NOV allowing airborne use for experimental systems (HAB) at low(ish) powers (a few W).
[11:41] <number10> SP9UOB: how long will the batteries last?
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[11:42] <SP9UOB> number10: about 20 hours
[11:42] <radim_OM2AMR> Tomek S6-7 now
[11:42] <number10> ah thats good - as you may still be in the air :)
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[11:43] <Lunar_Lander__> radim_OM2AMR, I was interested about the plots that you made from the flight data
[11:43] <Lunar_Lander__> how did you mount the vaisala probe and the other sensors?
[11:44] <Upu> mfa298 full license holders can apply for a notice of variation
[11:44] <Upu> but I don't know of anyone who has yet
[11:44] <radim_OM2AMR> Lunar_Lander, we just hang the Vaisala sonde under our payload (with standard vaisala line - 30 m)
[11:45] <radim_OM2AMR> then we decoded vaisala with SondeMonitor app separately
[11:45] <Lunar_Lander__> ah
[11:45] <mfa298> Upu I'm just wondering if it might work better if there was a group who could petition for it. We seem to have a few full license holders around.
[11:45] <Lunar_Lander__> how far was the main payload from the balloon?
[11:45] <Upu> mfa298 any full license holder can just apply
[11:46] <radim_OM2AMR> main payload was 30 m far from ballon, so we had 60 m train :-)
[11:46] <Upu> no need to petition
[11:47] <Lunar_Lander__> ah
[11:47] <Lunar_Lander__> :)
[11:47] <Lunar_Lander__> is there a picture on how the payload box looked like?
[11:47] <SpeedEvil> http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayer_for_relief
[11:48] <SpeedEvil> my favourite legal term
[11:48] <SP9UOB> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=479353888762107&set=a.472696426094520.113066.100000625001853&type=1&theater
[11:48] <SP9UOB> lunar: the styrofoam one :-)
[11:49] <m0psi> can't see it
[11:49] <Lunar_Lander__> yea and I meant radim_OM2AMR too
[11:49] <Lunar_Lander__> SP9UOB, "This content is currently unavailable"
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[11:49] <m0psi> This content is currently unavailable
[11:49] Last message repeated 2 time(s).
[11:49] <m0psi> y, same msg for me
[11:49] <SP9UOB> m0psi: this not mine facebook page
[11:50] <radim_OM2AMR> Lunar_Lander, there are some pics http://stsproject.net/?p=404#more-404
[11:50] <SP9UOB> I add some pictures later
[11:50] <Lunar_Lander__> ah thanks
[11:50] <Lunar_Lander__> radim_OM2AMR, is the DS18B20 at the end of that tube extending from the box?
[11:50] <radim_OM2AMR> yes, right
[11:51] <Lunar_Lander__> ah
[11:51] <Lunar_Lander__> and the other opening is for a camera it looks like
[11:52] <m0psi> so, is it the orange box sp9uob
[11:52] <radim_OM2AMR> m0psi, it's not SP9UOB box ;-)
[11:52] <m0psi> ok
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[11:54] <Lunar_Lander__> radim_OM2AMR, and you used a HIH-4210 or so as a humidity sensor?
[11:54] <Lunar_Lander__> hi OZ1SKY_Brian
[11:54] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Hi
[11:54] <Upu> Hey Brian
[11:54] <Upu> possible small pico coming your way this evening
[11:55] <radim_OM2AMR> Lunar_Lander, yes, correct
[11:55] <Upu> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=cdc3a995061badf658da15673df084b219cb2b8f
[11:55] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes i read the email, i also got Per OZ9AEH to update fldigi, so i can help out, if it heads this way
[11:55] <Lunar_Lander__> radim_OM2AMR, why did you select that sensr?
[11:56] <radim_OM2AMR> Lunar_Lander, I had it on the shelf ;-) from my onewire meteo station ;-)
[11:56] <Upu> not sure how high Sp9UOB's going
[11:56] <Upu> its going to float is my prediction
[11:57] <Lunar_Lander__> cool
[11:57] <OZ1SKY_Brian> sri i mean so HE can help out too
[11:57] <Upu> cool
[11:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Trying to get another on the north west coast to help out too
[11:58] <m0psi> sp9uob, all quite on the air, and there is no sign of you your balloon :-(
[11:58] <radim_OM2AMR> m0psi, you're in UK ?
[11:58] <m0psi> y
[11:58] <SP9UOB> m0psi: just be patient :-)
[11:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Not hearing anything on 28493 here by the way
[11:59] <m0psi> i will keep on listening, don't worry
[11:59] <radim_OM2AMR> SP9UOB, so many listeners, great ! ;-)
[12:01] <Lunar_Lander__> yay
[12:02] <mfa298> wow, that is a lot of listeners in Poland.
[12:03] <SP9UOB> we say: TERAZ POLSKA (Poland NOW!)
[12:03] <SP9UOB> :-)
[12:03] <Upu> some good recruitment there
[12:04] <Lunar_Lander__> yeah
[12:05] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Anuone heard it on ES yet?
[12:05] <OZ1SKY_Brian> anyone
[12:06] <Lunar_Lander__> ES?
[12:06] <OZ1SKY_Brian> e-skip or e-sporadic
[12:06] <Upu> "woo woo"
[12:06] <Lunar_Lander__> xD
[12:06] <rwat> no Es here
[12:06] <Lunar_Lander__> yay ionospheric!
[12:06] <radim_OM2AMR> OZ1SKY_Brian, just directh path now
[12:06] <rwat> (SW UK)
[12:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> radim_OM2AMR ok
[12:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> rwat nice, no ES to SP9 here atm, lots of south europe
[12:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> now i then i near some weak bursts of what sounds like RTTY, might be som meteor scatter or something
[12:08] <radim_OM2AMR> OZ1SKY_Brian, I heard maybe some airplane reflection when it was below 2000m, short burts of RTTY
[12:09] <OZ1SKY_Brian> radim_OM2AMR yes that could be
[12:10] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Upu Well i see its not that far away from Lotz, so maybe i got a chance :-)
[12:10] <radim_OM2AMR> Lunar_Lander, just one question, what bout your math exam ? :-D
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[12:11] <Upu> the pico will only get 4km
[12:11] <SP9UOB> i' just received e-mail - some ham receive it in Canada !
[12:11] <number10> wow
[12:11] <SP9UOB> na 28.4935, w FN03bp, choc ze zmiennym szczesciem, ale i pora nie jest najlepsza na propagacje
[12:12] <LazyLeopard> 10 metres is open, then...
[12:12] <SP9UOB> he is downloading dl-fldigi now
[12:12] <Upu> rxing in Canada ?
[12:12] <Upu> lol
[12:12] <radim_OM2AMR> Tomek, great, we'll see
[12:13] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SP9UOB very good on 1w
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[12:17] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Upu if the pico preflightplan gets updated, please let me know. Then ill try to wake up some other people
[12:18] <Upu> sure
[12:18] <Upu> launch is about 15:00 I think
[12:18] <Upu> uk time
[12:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Know a few people in LA and SM too
[12:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> And OH, but lets wait abit with OH yet :-)
[12:19] <radim_OM2AMR> SP9UOB, do you have a chase team also ?
[12:19] <SP9UOB> radim_OM2AMR: no plans to chase
[12:19] <OZ1SKY_Brian> What is the reason for that very low accent rate on the SP balloon?
[12:19] <radim_OM2AMR> OK ;-)
[12:19] <SP9UOB> just phone number on the capsule
[12:20] <Upu> not much gas OZ1SKY_Brian
[12:20] <SP9UOB> i mailed the canadian guy to came to irc
[12:20] <OZ1SKY_Brian> So good chance on float?
[12:20] <Lunar_Lander__> canadawest or how he was called?
[12:20] <Darkside> nothing on a US SDR
[12:20] <Darkside> with a loop
[12:20] <Lunar_Lander__> OZ1SKY_Brian, I was sad to read that ATLAS was cancelled
[12:21] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Lunar_Lander__ yes me too
[12:21] <SP9UOB> FN03bp locator
[12:21] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Its been a LONG time since ive decoded a balloon
[12:21] <Upu> yeah and a week OZ1SKY_Brian
[12:21] <Lunar_Lander__> yeah
[12:23] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Some UA9 now strong on the SP9 freq
[12:23] <radim_OM2AMR> UA9MC, oh my good&.
[12:23] <radim_OM2AMR> QSY please ...
[12:23] <SP9MLI> s9 ua9mc
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[12:24] <SP9UOB> va3ncd: Jacek?
[12:25] <SP9UOB> Jarek
[12:25] <SP9UOB> sorry
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[12:25] <va3ncd> jestem
[12:25] <SP9UOB> va3ncd: someone here tell You step-by step how to run dl-fldigi
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[12:26] <SP9UOB> Darkside, Upu could You guide va3ncd ?
[12:26] <m0psi> blimy, is canada receiving sp9uob 's balloon?!!
[12:27] <va3ncd> correct, except someone's splettering bad
[12:28] <m0psi> ah,you got a directional antenna va3ncd
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[12:28] <va3ncd> I think I'm fine with the config now, except it pops up red in the decode field, not green, but it reads the string ok in the receive window
[12:29] <number10> opmode->rtty->custopm and check the bit rate settings
[12:29] <number10> custom
[12:29] <number10> ASCII 8 N 1
[12:31] <Darkside> va3ncd: it's possible there's still some bit errors
[12:32] <navrac_work> you could post up the string and we can check
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[12:34] <va3ncd> ÿ$$SP9UOB,251,12:34:05,5008.4125,01905.9689,15217*F7CC
[12:34] <va3ncd> now it popped up green!
[12:34] <SP9MLI> recived distance 371 km at 1 W
[12:35] <SP9UOB> SP9MLI: w Kanadzie slychac !!! :-)
[12:35] <Lunar_Lander__> va3ncd, congratulations
[12:35] <SP9UOB> GOT DX !!! :-)
[12:35] <SP9MLI> zauwazylem :D
[12:35] <navrac_work> nice work
[12:35] <m0psi> wow, im so jealous!!!
[12:35] <SP9MLI> ale ja mam LW
[12:35] <SP9MLI> poziome
[12:36] <SP9MLI> is it possible to sending it's position to aprs net ?
[12:36] <va3ncd> someone's throwing a wide, distorted haaaa-aaaloo just up of the frequency...
[12:37] <m0psi> va3ncd, did you receive the signal on the exact freq, or was there a shift?
[12:37] <SP9UOB> Ask he fir QSY
[12:38] <Lunar_Lander__> va3ncd, where are you from?
[12:38] <va3ncd> I'm in FN03bp, 30 miles west of Toronto, Ontario
[12:39] <Lunar_Lander__> cool
[12:39] <Lunar_Lander__> congrats
[12:39] <SP9UOB> just about one watt output
[12:39] <OZ1SKY_Brian> va3ncd looks like a good F2 patch VA-SP just now http://www.dxmaps.com/spots/map.php?Lan=E&Frec=28&ML=M&Map=W2L&DXC=N&HF=N&GL=N
[12:40] <va3ncd> the radio is tuned on 28.493.5 USB, the app shows the signal come up at just above 1000/1200
[12:41] <va3ncd> it is on and off, but when back, picking S3 on my S-meter here
[12:42] <SP9UOB> ascend rare incerases littlebit
[12:42] <SP9UOB> rate
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[12:46] <SP9UOB> jcoxon: just received in canada
[12:46] <jcoxon> wow
[12:46] <jcoxon> amazing
[12:47] <jcoxon> so many listeners
[12:47] <radim_OM2AMR> EA7ZY :-(
[12:47] <jcoxon> is habitat coping?
[12:47] <SP9UOB> jcoxon: ??
[12:48] <jcoxon> the server backend
[12:49] <radim_OM2AMR> http://habitat.habhub.org/stats/
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[12:50] <SP9UOB> va3ncd: 1
[12:50] <jcoxon> SP9UOB, that could be a telem record
[12:51] <Darkside> HF is cheating :P
[12:51] <Darkside> haha
[12:52] <Darkside> how about we have separate categories :P
[12:52] <Darkside> as that's kind of unfair to the UHF people
[12:52] <va3ncd> it was gone for a while, and re-emerging for another time now... except there is that ssb chatter going on right on the freq.
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[12:53] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon we are ready for your pico over here
[12:54] <jcoxon> OZ1SKY_Brian, it might take some time to get to you!
[12:54] <radim_OM2AMR> W4DXX
[12:55] <m0psi> jcoxon, i just had fldigi crash, so sent the logs for that
[12:55] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon i have all the time in the world, dont expect my deadline is near
[12:55] <m0psi> in case you are chasing a problem that is in the main application
[12:56] <jcoxon> m0psi, i'll keep looking
[12:56] <jcoxon> its not going to be easy to debug
[12:56] <m0psi> sure, i figured
[12:56] <jcoxon> OZ1SKY_Brian, need to get it in the air first
[12:56] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon sure :-)
[12:57] <Lunar_Lander__> jcoxon, why did you decided not to fly atlas?
[12:57] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander__, cause steve isn't around to help
[12:57] <jcoxon> and you need more people
[12:57] <Lunar_Lander__> ah ok
[12:57] <jcoxon> sorry!
[12:59] <Lunar_Lander__> no problem
[12:59] <Randomskk> jcoxon: http://stats.habhub.org/dashboard/ParserDetailed
[13:00] <Randomskk> barely breaking a sweat :P
[13:00] <jcoxon> haha
[13:00] <jcoxon> good work
[13:00] <Randomskk> 6% CPU usage, oh noooo :P
[13:01] <Randomskk> haha now I've said that it spikes to 40%, nice
[13:01] <Randomskk> there we go.
[13:03] <Randomskk> I love that dashboard when habitat is in action
[13:03] <Randomskk> so colourful
[13:04] <SP9UOB> Randomskk: '-)
[13:04] <SP9UOB> ;-)
[13:04] <Randomskk> check out that "total uploads per minute"
[13:04] <Randomskk> peaks of 170!
[13:05] <radim_OM2AMR> SP9UOB, S5 nov constantly
[13:05] <SP9UOB> stable S9+10 here
[13:05] <radim_OM2AMR> nerly vertical dipole here ;-)
[13:05] <radim_OM2AMR> nearly
[13:07] <Lunar_Lander__> ok cu later
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[13:09] <navrac_work> all i can here is conversations either side of the frequency
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[13:12] <SP9UOB> hi sp5non
[13:12] <SP5NON> Czesc Tomku
[13:14] <jcoxon> bbiab
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[13:14] <sp9mrn> 20km minite :-)
[13:15] <SP9UOB> callsign pie looks amazing :-)
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[13:17] <SP5NON> S/N about 20 dB here, S about 3
[13:17] <cuddykid> hi all
[13:17] <SP9UOB> still S9+10 stable here
[13:17] <cuddykid> wow - a *lot* of listeners for SP9UOB
[13:18] <SP9UOB> cuddykid: polish HAM's are great :-)
[13:18] <cuddykid> yeah! :)
[13:18] <sp9mrn> my s-meter sucks... 5-0 but strong and stable signal
[13:18] <cuddykid> really good to see so many
[13:19] <DrLuke> Who is launching PYSY?
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[13:20] <cuddykid> not sure, looks like it's over DrLuke
[13:20] <DrLuke> hmm
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[13:21] <m0psi> i've just noticed a bug on the tracker map, using chrome
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[13:21] <m0psi> who is the person i should talk to about it
[13:21] <DrLuke> I love the launch in poland, it's so close to where I always visit my polish family :)
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[13:22] <SQ2OMB> hi all
[13:22] <SQ9JXB> Welcome for all
[13:23] <DrLuke> hi
[13:23] <DrLuke> oh man all those callsigns...
[13:23] <SP9UOB> ascend rate still incerasing
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[13:23] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: HF telemetry from a HAB flight over Poland (currently ~21km in altitude) received in Canada! Shame we can't use HF band in UK #ukhas [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/259646102935060480]
[13:24] <DrLuke> SP9UOB: let's hope it doesn't land in that lake :p
[13:25] <SP9UOB> payload is considered lost.... 3rd time :-)
[13:25] <SQ9JXB> how high to raise?
[13:25] <SP9UOB> SQ9JXB: about 37 km - will se :-)
[13:25] <cuddykid> SP9UOB: what balloon is this?
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[13:26] <SP9UOB> cuddykid: Hwoyee 1000g
[13:26] <cuddykid> ah nice
[13:26] <Darkside> oh god
[13:26] <Darkside> it's going to float
[13:26] <cuddykid> little dangerous
[13:26] <cuddykid> yeah
[13:26] <Darkside> ours did
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[13:26] <cuddykid> 1000s are not as bad as 1600s though
[13:27] <Darkside> at that ascent rate though
[13:27] <cuddykid> yep
[13:27] <cuddykid> probably a floatiieeee
[13:27] <jcoxon_> whats the freq again?
[13:27] <SP9UOB> 29.493 MHz
[13:27] <SP9UOB> USB
[13:27] <SQ9JXB> http://spacenear.us/tracker/?filter=SP9UOB
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[13:28] <m0psi> 28 or 29??! sp9uob
[13:28] <Darkside> 28
[13:28] <m0psi> phew!
[13:28] <m0psi> i thought so
[13:29] <m0psi> see how easily confused getting up is :-)
[13:29] <SP9UOB> 28 !
[13:29] <SP9UOB> sorry
[13:29] <SP9UOB> 28.493
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[13:34] <sp6ryd> SP9UOB: czy balon jeszcze leci ?
[13:34] <SP9UOB> sp6ryd: sure
[13:34] <SP5NON> leci, 23 km przekroczyl
[13:34] <SQ9JXB> Ano leci , jest na wysoko[ci 23106 m
[13:35] <sp6ryd> OKI, niestety we wroclawiu nie odbieram, co[ z antenami mam problem
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[13:36] <SP9UOB> zobaczcie: http://habitat.habhub.org/stats/ Flight list -> SP9UOB-2 -> Callsign pie
[13:36] <DrLuke> SP9UOB: did you give your balloon a stirk or two of extra gas? :P
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[13:38] <SP9UOB> DrLuke: no - as little as possible
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[13:39] <SQ9JXB> Statystyki ciekawe
[13:40] <SQ2NNN> Koledzy a mnie si ten FlDigi z poprawk nie chce komunikowac z TRX, normalna wesja bez problemu a ten nie...
[13:40] <SQ2NNN> a satystyki gdzie s ?
[13:41] <SQ9JXB> http://habitat.habhub.org/stats/
[13:41] <SamSilver> is this a record for number of receivers?
[13:41] <SamSilver> as opposed to strings uploaded
[13:42] <SP9UOB> SamSilver: also telemetry distance over 6600 km !
[13:42] <SQ2NNN> dziki za link :)
[13:42] <SQ9JXB> SQ2NNN a uruchomiBe[ w trybie HAB Tracking Mode.?
[13:42] <SamSilver> wow!!
[13:43] <SamSilver> ahh 10m
[13:43] <SQ2NNN> w setupie z TRX nie moge si poBczy, CAT nie reaguje :(
[13:44] <jcoxon_> is pico on the map?
[13:44] <sp9mrn> zostaw CAT, ustaw freq rcznie
[13:44] <sp9mrn> Tomek, how long batteries will be working?
[13:44] <SP9UOB> about 20 hours
[13:45] <sp9mrn> podnosimy?
[13:45] <sp9mrn> :-)
[13:45] <SP9UOB> ale co podnosimy ?
[13:45] <sp9mrn> balon
[13:45] <SP9MLI> to dmuchamy
[13:45] <SQ9JXB> SQ2NNN Ja uruchomiBem z HAMlib i Port COM3 dla CAT`a , potem Initialize i dziaBa z IC-735
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[13:45] <SP9UOB> spadnie niedaleko SQ9NFQ
[13:46] <SQ2NNN> ok, spróbuj...:)
[13:46] <SQ9JXB> SQ2NNN i nie zapomnij ustawi speed dla Portu COM, taka jaka obsBuguje TRX
[13:47] <SQ9JXB> Jak daBem mniejsza to nie dziaBaBo to
[13:48] <SP5NON> 25 km
[13:48] <SQ9JXB> SP9UOB - skd wiesz |e tam spadnie?
[13:50] <JFS1> Has anyone picked up this balloon in the UK?
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[13:53] <SQ2NNN> no, udalo sie wpic, dziaBa i bez CATa... :)
[13:55] <m0psi> no, but i just thought i heard somthing with the right repeat period
[13:55] <m0psi> but gone now
[13:56] <SQ9JXB> SQ2NNN - no i po problemie :)
[13:56] <va3ncd> just got another green decode now!
[13:57] <SP9UOB> va3ncd: tell some friends in Canada and USA
[13:57] <SP9UOB> :-)
[13:58] <mfa298> I've not heard anything yet although there was a Bulgarian station coming in strong a few khz up.
[13:59] <va3ncd> one thing I've noticed is that it'd always come up strong at first then the signal gradually drops down. It's pretty persistent, too, so it seems like it was the power dropping a bit throughout the transmission period...
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[14:00] <va3ncd> could the frequency for this be possibly picked outside of the busy ssb area? like in the future, I mean...
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[14:02] <va3ncd> if I can hear it here, I'm pretty sure the folks to the east of me, closer to the Atlantc shore, would have no problem decoding it 100% packets... It picks up to S2 here, and I only have a 3el.
[14:04] <SQ9JXB> but I have received :)
[14:04] <SamSilver> acent is 2.4m/s any bets on pop or float?
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[14:06] <Upu> float SamSilver
[14:06] <Upu> 1600g Hwoyee SP9UOB ?
[14:06] <Darkside> 1000g
[14:06] <Upu> oh ok interesting
[14:06] <Upu> not sure then
[14:07] <SamSilver> and 210g payload?
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[14:08] <SamSilver> too lazy too scrool back
[14:09] <SamSilver> my spelling is soo bad sometimes i think it could well be thought that i am writting in Polish
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[14:12] <MickMondo> Just thought Id say a quick hi .... think I'm heading home soon ... cool
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[14:16] <SQ2NNN> a statystyki coraz ciekawsze :) nawet VA# jest...
[14:16] <SQ2NNN> VA3...
[14:16] <jcoxon_> right here we go
[14:16] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... Pico's GPS is having a little fun with altitude... ;)
[14:16] <MickMondo> Yeah see that
[14:17] <SQ9JXB> Ciekawe statystyki ciekawe :)
[14:17] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon_ good luck, got one more tracker setup here in DK now.
[14:20] <SamSilver> looks like jcoxon_ is walking it in to the field
[14:20] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes
[14:21] <navrac_work> i think its up - getting it here
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[14:21] <SP5NON> 30 km
[14:21] <OZ1SKY_Brian> not yet by the look of it
[14:22] <navrac_work> ah its 8 bit not 7
[14:22] <Upu> whats the dial navrac ?
[14:22] <sp9mrn> 30km :-)
[14:22] <jcoxon_> its up
[14:22] <navrac_work> 434.300.2#
[14:22] <jcoxon_> lovely launch
[14:22] <SQ9JXB> mo|e przekroczy te 37 km :)
[14:23] <navrac_work> first good decode aqt 86m - missed the earlier ones due to wrong confuig - drat
[14:23] <OZ1SKY_Brian> bon voyage
[14:23] <jcoxon_> the cloud layer could be an issue
[14:25] <SQ6NDM> aktualny polski rekord to: 35.085,00 m - CP19 - 22/09/2012
[14:26] <SamSilver> altitude? jcoxon_
[14:26] <Upu> its this the pava board jcoxon_ ?
[14:27] <jcoxon_> Upu yup
[14:27] <Upu> temp from the rfm22b ?
[14:27] <navrac_work> what happened there - odd jump
[14:28] <jcoxon_> occasionally it'll repeat a string
[14:28] <jcoxon_> its just the gps being slow in replying
[14:28] <jcoxon_> Upu yeah onboard temp sensor
[14:28] <Upu> ok cool
[14:29] <navrac_work> just before the preamble it changed the mark to a space
[14:29] <navrac_work> or the carrier dropped down to the low end
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[14:31] <navrac_work> on fldigi2.21.43h there are no payloads coming up
[14:31] <navrac_work> ah gives a 404
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[14:34] <SP5NON> it's changing the frequency during transmission, temperature?
[14:34] <navrac_work> im getting 404's and 403's on fldigi 21.43 - is there a newer version?
[14:35] <SP9UOB> SP5NON: littlebit
[14:35] <craag> navrac_work: Yep, 3.21.50 http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi
[14:35] <Upu> just trying to find the link to the exe
[14:36] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi
[14:36] <Upu> ah what craag said
[14:36] <LazyLeopard> Bah! dl-fldigi had 7-bit, not 8-bit set...
[14:36] <navrac_work> thanks
[14:36] <LazyLeopard> Only took me about 5 minutes to realise...
[14:37] Nick change: LazyLeopard -> LazyL_M0LEP
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[14:37] <Upu> hey daveake
[14:37] <Upu> morning :)
[14:38] <daveake> morning :)
[14:38] <SamSilver> SP9UOB is getting close too floating - ascent rate now only 1.6 m/s
[14:38] <Upu> SP9UOB in Poland has been getting RX'd in Canada :)
[14:39] <SamSilver> SP9UOB-2 has his altitude graph starting to flatline - ascent rate 1.6 m/s
[14:39] <Upu> yup
[14:39] <navrac_work> cant get the top display to show lat/long/alt/bearing etc - any ideas?
[14:40] <daveake> !!! Just saw the loooong list of receivers
[14:40] <Upu> its been 1.8 to 2 most of the day
[14:40] <jcoxon_> navrac_work, its cause my annoying format
[14:40] <Upu> yes someone did some good recruiting
[14:40] <navrac_work> ah ok
[14:40] <SamSilver> daveake: been recieved 6 600km away
[14:41] <daveake> HF presumably?
[14:41] <Upu> yeah 10 meters
[14:41] <daveake> ah ok
[14:41] <OZ1SKY_Brian> any pictures of the antenne and payload?
[14:42] <jcoxon_> 1km
[14:42] <jcoxon_> phew
[14:43] <OZ1SKY_Brian> whats is the "normal" alt for a pico ?
[14:43] <jcoxon_> 4-5km
[14:43] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok that gives a good 300km circle
[14:44] <SP5NON> va3ncd 57 z Plocka :-)
[14:44] <OZ1SKY_Brian> we need a SDR on a north sea oilrig
[14:45] <SP5NON> va3ncd GJ
[14:45] <navrac_work> or a chase relay balloon
[14:45] <jcoxon_> OZ1SKY_Brian, yes we do!
[14:46] <jcoxon_> navrac_work, we could lift an antenna
[14:46] <jcoxon_> in this weather
[14:47] <navrac_work> true - its really still here
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[14:47] <navrac_work> sadly im out of helium and a bit short on coax
[14:47] <jcoxon_> easiest launch for me
[14:47] <jcoxon_> :-p
[14:47] <Upu> thats a float
[14:47] <Dutch-Mill> afternoon Y' all wha's PICO's frequency at the moment?
[14:48] <Upu> 434.300 ish Dutch-Mill
[14:48] <Dutch-Mill> thnx
[14:48] <jcoxon_> can i have signal reports please for PICO?
[14:48] <jcoxon_> is it okay?
[14:49] <SamSilver> SP9UOB is getting ready for a gravity wave or a pop
[14:49] <navrac_work> pretty stable - not suprisingly its currently blowing my front end out its so loud
[14:49] <LazyL_M0LEP> 21-24dB at present
[14:49] <SamSilver> ascent rate under 1 m/s
[14:49] <navrac_work> 55db above the noise floor here
[14:49] <LazyL_M0LEP> Had a definite fade a few minutes bcak, though.
[14:50] <G8KNN-Jon> PICO signal levels look normal, S1 to S4 in Cambridge
[14:51] <LazyL_M0LEP> Hmmm... dl-fldigi's reporting occasional 401 errors from habitat.habhub.org
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[14:53] <Elwell> Darkside: are you anywhere near Glenunga sch?
[14:54] <va3ncd> $$SP9UOB,452,14:52:04,4959.2093,01934.3326,33151*60E9
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[14:57] <LazyL_M0LEP> PICO signal level down again. 16-17dB
[14:57] <SP9UOB> va3ncd: cool :-)
[14:57] <G8KNN-Jon> About 50% of uploads are giving 401s
[14:58] <navrac_work> same here
[14:58] <jcoxon_> i've certainly found a bug in dl-fldigi
[14:58] <jcoxon_> that might be the reason
[14:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> what about a speed´o´meter on the tracking page, so we can se the ballon ground speed?
[14:59] <SQ9JXB> s/n 16-19 dB
[15:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Some DL station now calling cq contest on 28493.5
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[15:01] <va3ncd> it says it is 33400 now. I keep taking snapshots. will email you later...
[15:03] <LazyL_M0LEP> Only had 7 401s so far...
[15:03] <LazyL_M0LEP> s/n up to 21 again
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[15:07] <SP5NON> only 5 m ascent between transmissions
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[15:07] <SP5NON> 1 m ascent
[15:07] <SP9UOB> ok is floating
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[15:08] <LazyL_M0LEP> Yeah, anyone's guess how far it'll go...
[15:08] <fsphil> congratulations :) assuming that was you intention :)
[15:09] <SP9UOB> fsphil: yes. but there is lack of jetstream over poland
[15:09] <SP9UOB> going Ukraine :-)
[15:09] <fsphil> eep
[15:10] <fsphil> I'm trying to setup my HF station atm
[15:10] <fsphil> how long do you think the battery will last?
[15:10] <SP9UOB> fsphil: measured over 20 hours
[15:11] <jcoxon_> PICO has a passenger
[15:11] <jcoxon_> a spider got onboard
[15:11] <jcoxon_> we didn't have the heart to take it off
[15:12] <SP5NON> minus 2 m
[15:12] <OZ1SKY_Brian> LOL
[15:12] <LazyL_M0LEP> Oh? Do you suppose it's bailed out yet?
[15:12] <fsphil> "spiders on a balloon".. in cinemas soon
[15:13] <JFS1> Did you attach it to a heart monitor?
[15:13] <fsphil> this is not what they mean by world wide web
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[15:13] <jcoxon_> proportionally if it jumped at 4km it would be higher then redbull balloon person
[15:14] <LazyL_M0LEP> ;)
[15:14] <SQ6NDM> kapsuBa ju| opada?
[15:15] <SP5NON> minus 15 m
[15:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon_ we dont want any border jumpers here
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[15:15] <Upu> hey CapnKernel :)
[15:16] <daveake> spiderpico .. spiderpico ... does whatever a spiderpico does
[15:16] <Upu> SP9UOB does your balloon have any parts on from my shop ?
[15:16] <CapnKernel> Upu: Why hello there.
[15:16] <CapnKernel> You guys are having such fun :-)
[15:17] <fsphil> spiders are falling from the sky, if you call that fun :)
[15:17] <Upu> well weekend fun over here is launching small electronics under balloons )
[15:17] <SP9UOB> Upu: nope
[15:17] <gonzo_> don't think I've ever seen so many hab groundstations outside UK before. Must have been well publicised
[15:17] <Upu> ah shame sorry Mitch that balloon has nothing from your place :)
[15:17] <Upu> PICO does though
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[15:19] <CapnKernel> Is PYSY on the way down?
[15:19] <navrac_work> drat - pico is going to miss me - i was going to shoot it down for the pava board :-)
[15:19] <mclane> PYSY has landed and is recovered
[15:19] <mclane> just came back
[15:19] <Upu> congrats mclane :)
[15:20] <fsphil> good news!
[15:20] <Upu> PYSY had some of your work on it CapnKernel
[15:20] <Upu> lol navrac
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[15:20] <mclane> Flight was quite successfull, many GBytes of Data
[15:20] <Upu> what balloon was it ?
[15:20] <mclane> However, weather was worse then expected
[15:20] <navrac_work> well my 1.8v regulators didnt show up - i was going to butcher it for parts
[15:20] <mclane> Hywoee 1200g
[15:21] <Upu> low burst
[15:21] <mclane> Burst at 27 km (low
[15:21] <mclane> lower then expected
[15:21] <fsphil> that is indeed
[15:21] <Upu> seen 40km out of those
[15:21] <mclane> we launched in the fog; maybe ice crystals
[15:22] <mclane> and probably a little overfill also
[15:23] <Upu> well you got it back
[15:23] <mclane> Recovery was easy, like the first time
[15:23] <Upu> look forward to the images
[15:23] <mclane> Balloon was still more or less complete
[15:24] <CapnKernel> Re PYSY: Recovery always good
[15:24] <daveake> The 1200's that I've flown have gotten quite high. In both cases only the neck came back
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[15:25] <DrLuke> I once also did get really high
[15:26] <mclane> Just saving all the SD card data
[15:26] <mclane> The flight prediction was completely wrong today
[15:26] <jcoxon_> relocating
[15:27] <mclane> very strange
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[15:27] <mclane> We expected landing in the Tscheck Republic
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[15:27] <LazyL_M0LEP> PICO signal strength way down again...
[15:28] <DrLuke> Czech* :p
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[15:28] <mclane> sorry
[15:28] <Upu> Strong here
[15:28] <Upu> apparently only 2 radials on the antenna
[15:28] <fsphil> shockingly, nothing here :)
[15:28] <Upu> so that may be the issue
[15:29] <g4dpz> pico freq pls
[15:29] <LazyL_M0LEP> Yeah, that might help explan it....
[15:29] <Upu> 434.300.92
[15:29] <LazyL_M0LEP> It's picking back up. Now nearer 16dB than the 7 or 8 it was a couple of minutes back.
[15:29] <Upu> its solid signal here
[15:29] <Upu> no drift at all
[15:30] <Upu> 26db on the Yagi and 18dB on the FCD with a HABAmp
[15:30] <fsphil> spiders web affecting RF? :)
[15:30] <g4dpz> starting to see it now, thanks
[15:31] <Upu> Spider woke up and was like "err somethings not right here"
[15:31] <Upu> Felix Bumspider
[15:31] <fsphil> "That's a very big fly .... wait, it has writing ... Easyj*splat*"
[15:32] <DrLuke> lol
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[15:33] <DrLuke> Damn there's no kidding with that, an Airberlin jet once flew past me while I was flying in a glider
[15:33] <DrLuke> and I'm pretty certain the guys didn't see me ;(
[15:33] <fsphil> eep
[15:34] <jcoxon> back
[15:34] <jcoxon> mmmm warm again
[15:34] <fsphil> apart from that, gliders look like fun
[15:34] <DrLuke> they are
[15:34] <fsphil> wb jcoxon, indoors again?
[15:34] <DrLuke> especially when you fly low and fast ;P
[15:35] <DrLuke> I'm very lucky to have an amazing cliff next to my airfield
[15:35] <DrLuke> I like to fly past it with 300 km/h
[15:35] <DrLuke> with little more than a wingspan of space left inbetween
[15:36] <fsphil> madness
[15:36] <fsphil> where do I sign up? :)
[15:36] <DrLuke> ;P
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[15:36] <DrLuke> and the best thing is, that there's a castle at the end of the cliffs
[15:37] <fsphil> there is a glider club not too far from here
[15:38] <Upu> lovely float there SP9UOB
[15:38] <jcoxon> hope pico floats as it goign to be a hassle recovering it...
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[15:38] <DrLuke> http://www.holidaycheck.de/data/urlaubsbilder/images/41/1155806568.jpg
[15:38] <SP9UOB> Upu: :-) Going East :-)
[15:39] <fsphil> oh nice DrLuke
[15:39] <DrLuke> That's also where I went to watch the last perseid shower :)
[15:39] <Upu> yup you need to start finding people in Belarus , Northern Ukraine and Lithuania
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[15:39] <DrLuke> haha
[15:39] <SP9UOB> Upu: they know: http://qrz.by/2012/849/
[15:39] <Upu> oh perfect
[15:40] <DrLuke> why is there a picture of a hot air balloon
[15:40] <DrLuke> lol
[15:40] <fsphil> hah, was wondering about that
[15:41] <jcoxon> eek pico is descending
[15:41] <DrLuke> is it supposed to float?
[15:41] <CapnKernel> SP9UOB: Renovator's delight
[15:42] <jcoxon> DrLuke, yeah
[15:42] <Upu> Navrac!
[15:42] <Upu> Go find it pls :)
[15:42] <DrLuke> maybe it just hit some pressure difference then or something
[15:42] <jcoxon> hmmm
[15:42] <jcoxon> looks like it
[15:42] <Upu> wierd
[15:43] <fsphil> could have hit a cloud
[15:43] <daveake> easyjet fly-by :)
[15:43] <DrLuke> haha
[15:43] <DrLuke> maybe it's a glitch in the matrix
[15:44] <daveake> Spider caught some astrobiology
[15:44] <DrLuke> oh wait, will you get nice sunset pictures?
[15:44] <Upu> no camera on Pico
[15:44] <DrLuke> aww
[15:45] <cuddykid> floaty float I see
[15:45] <SP9UOB> first 1000g Hwoyee floating :-)
[15:45] <cuddykid> :D
[15:46] <DrLuke> haha
[15:46] <DrLuke> I love the curve
[15:46] <DrLuke> it looks really sexy
[15:46] <Upu> nows the time you wish you'd put more batteries on it
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[15:47] <SP9UOB> right
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[15:47] <DrLuke> heh
[15:47] <cuddykid> lol
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[15:48] <DrLuke> oh man I really need to finally get around to launch :)
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[15:49] <CapnKernel> Where is PICO predicted to land?
[15:49] <Upu> the sea probably
[15:50] <navrac> looking like it
[15:50] <Upu> coming down again
[15:50] <CapnKernel> unsmiley face
[15:50] <Upu> its meant to float
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[15:50] <Upu> and head off to Norway
[15:51] <Lunar_Lander__> SP9UOB, wow your balloon floats too!
[15:51] <navrac> maybe its just a really low float?
[15:51] <navrac> pava is really light - i would have expected 5k+
[15:52] <Upu> whilst you were away it dropped and then started back up wards again
[15:53] <sp9mrn> doesn't want go higher :-(
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[15:53] <jcoxon> still going up!
[15:53] <jcoxon> just
[15:55] <jcoxon> navrac, while pava is light we added insulation etc
[15:55] <jcoxon> so launch mass was 31g
[15:55] <jcoxon> with 1.5g of free lift
[15:55] <navrac> still ozzie1 was getting on high 40g's
[15:56] <jcoxon> the calc had it going to 4400m
[15:56] <navrac> oh so not far off then
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[15:57] <daveake> We're off. Good luck with the floats :-)
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[15:58] <jcoxon> it seems to be floating
[15:58] <jcoxon> ratehr then descending
[15:58] <jcoxon> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/1610_trj001.gif
[15:59] <DrLuke> wow that's fancy
[15:59] <Upu> right over OZ1SKY_Brian
[15:59] <MLow> i guess what ill do is send an aprs packet that is small as posible with just gps location
[15:59] <MLow> !0000.00N/00000.00EO
[16:00] <MLow> then telemetry packet that has usefull data
[16:00] <Upu> For those of you who have been getting errors when uploading DanielRichman has just fixed it
[16:01] <navrac> thank yoy danielrichman
[16:02] <MLow> 8h since last heard from kt5tk
[16:02] <MLow> :(
[16:02] <Upu> give it chance
[16:02] <Upu> it will take a while to get back in range
[16:03] <MLow> i wanna believe
[16:05] <fsphil> nice float jcoxon
[16:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon ouch thats a tricky path, its going to be out of range for a long time, when over the north sea
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[16:10] <MLow> ok so ive heard mention that some have added compression, and or telemetry to trackuino code base
[16:10] <MLow> anyone willing to share that code?
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[16:11] <Upu> OZ1SKY_Brian possibly but I have a good view of that area, there is nothing between me and the sea in the way
[16:11] <Upu> I'm sort of hoping between you and me we should be able to keep it in sight
[16:11] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Upu lets hope we can stay with it
[16:11] <m0psi> hi all, i've got the sdr dongle, and now got some connecting wire for the antenna
[16:11] <fsphil> MLow: I've got some code here that does it, not sure if it's too readable though: https://github.com/ProjectSwift/swift/blob/master/swift.c
[16:11] <Upu> that said I'm off out this evening
[16:12] <Upu> what did it do there ?
[16:12] <m0psi> so, i need to run the app on windows, but can see only instructions for windows installation
[16:12] <Upu> sound like it just died for a second
[16:13] <navrac> it just jumps freq when its not sending rtty - did it earlier
[16:13] <DrLuke> m0psi, what program are you using?
[16:13] <Upu> ok
[16:13] <m0psi> none :-)
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[16:13] <m0psi> that is is what i want to find out
[16:13] <DrLuke> try sdr#
[16:14] <m0psi> which program should i use for mac
[16:14] <DrLuke> if you want I can upload my installation with the sdr stuff in place
[16:14] <fsphil> sdr# doesn't work in wine :(
[16:14] <DrLuke> oh, you're on a mac
[16:14] <DrLuke> can't help you, sorry :)
[16:14] <m0psi> :-(
[16:14] <DrLuke> (get a windows or linux pc)
[16:14] <Upu> in terms of smooth floats I'm afraid SP9UOB is beating Pico hands down
[16:14] <m0psi> thanks for that advice dr :-)
[16:14] <SP9UOB> Upu :-)
[16:15] <DrLuke> hehe
[16:15] <DrLuke> I'm serious though, there are far more linux than mac users in the amateur radio world
[16:16] <DrLuke> maybe you can get Gnuradio for mac
[16:16] <fsphil> is that true?
[16:16] <m0psi> i agree, but i don't want to have more junk on my desk
[16:16] <fsphil> I find most of the amateur radio software is for windows
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[16:16] <m0psi> however, mac is bsd
[16:16] <DrLuke> fsphil, should've said linux and windows, sorry
[16:16] <fsphil> ah
[16:16] <fsphil> yes that makes more sense :)
[16:17] <DrLuke> :P
[16:17] <MLow> how are you sending the frame with the value definitions
[16:17] <Lunar_Lander__> linux = cool
[16:18] <MLow> ch.13 of
[16:18] <fsphil> MLow: line 120-130
[16:18] <MLow> ftp://ftp.tapr.org/aprssig/aprsspec/spec/aprs101/APRS101.pdf
[16:18] <SP9UOB> something wrong with the transmitter :-(
[16:18] <fsphil> nooooo
[16:19] <MLow> no EQSN?
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[16:19] <SP9UOB> frequency get weird
[16:20] <fsphil> EQSN MLow?
[16:20] <MLow> EQNS sorry
[16:20] <m0psi> btw, sp9uob, i just went to the local radio club. We have a directional antenna on a 100ft mast, and we could not hear the balloon
[16:20] <MLow> the packet for the on-air definition to decode the analog values
[16:20] <jcoxon> going up again
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[16:21] <fsphil> that's line 126-130 in my code
[16:21] <fsphil> ax25_frame() transmits a packet
[16:21] <fsphil> every 60 packets it also transmits the definitions
[16:21] <KT5TK_QRL> EQNS need to be sent as a simple APRS message from any APRS station to your tracker as destination address.
[16:22] <fsphil> yes it only needs to be sent occasionally, and not even from the payload
[16:22] <KT5TK_QRL> don't need to be in the tracker code
[16:22] <fsphil> although I thought it was much handier having it in there
[16:22] <fsphil> as it's so few lines, and it keeps it all in one place
[16:22] <MLow> hm well is there any way to send that without a packet radio?
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[16:23] <oh7lzb> MLow: over the internet with an APRS program such as APRSIS32 or Xastir
[16:24] <oh7lzb> (or google for findu entermsg.cgi :)
[16:24] <Lunar_Lander__> hi oh7lzb
[16:25] <MLow> asking fro a passcode hmm
[16:25] <MLow> APRS-IS passcode?
[16:26] <jcoxon> approaching the point of no return
[16:26] <number10> pico launch pic http://imgur.com/K4xSg
[16:26] <SP9UOB> transmitter got cold :-(
[16:27] <KT5TK_QRL> jcoxon: as if you could have returned it earlier ;)
[16:27] <fsphil> it's stopped SP9UOB?
[16:27] <jcoxon> KT5TK_QRL, indeed
[16:28] <SP9UOB> fsphil: still working but big drift i
[16:30] <Upu> Yay PICO out to sea
[16:30] <jcoxon> phew
[16:31] <number10> did you see pic of in the air Upu ^
[16:31] <jcoxon> now its safe...
[16:31] <Upu> yeah looks great
[16:31] <navrac> .. joining all the ozzies in a big watery grave
[16:31] <number10> your board looks good Upu
[16:31] <Upu> thanks
[16:32] <Upu> see what dies first the balloon or the board
[16:32] <SP5NON> it's getting better, only one $ is missing
[16:32] <navrac> hopefully the board - we know that goes on for ages
[16:32] <SP5NON> poszla dobra ramka
[16:33] <Upu> jcoxon did you put any power saving or switch to HS at night modes ?
[16:34] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "[UKHAS] Pico in the air"
[16:34] <jcoxon> Upu there is some Slow Hell in the early morning
[16:34] <Upu> ok
[16:34] <Upu> and its in Eco mode ?
[16:34] <jcoxon> between 2am and 7am
[16:34] <jcoxon> its always in eco
[16:34] <Upu> might squeeze a few more hours out of it
[16:34] <jcoxon> yeah
[16:35] <navrac> late night then - better stock up on coffee
[16:35] <jcoxon> indeed
[16:35] <Upu> well I might be up
[16:35] <jcoxon> seems to have settled
[16:35] <jcoxon> in its float
[16:35] <Upu> its my birthday tomorrow so going out with friends then they are coming back here for Whisky
[16:36] <Upu> so will probably be a late one
[16:36] <navrac> make sure autotune is working then
[16:36] <SP9UOB> frequency got stabilised
[16:36] <Upu> I will
[16:36] <jcoxon> Upu, i'm around too
[16:36] <Upu> rotator's not automated
[16:36] <Upu> which is a good job as it would have smashed into the house given the current calculation
[16:37] <Upu> EL -50.6
[16:37] <Upu> distance as 1.242e+004km
[16:37] <Upu> I blame James's dodgy telemetry
[16:37] <navrac> well it should start heading east soon, so it will be a fixed ish angle (not -50.6)
[16:37] <Upu> Yagi has a beam width of 15' so I'll just point it in the general direction
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[16:38] <DrLuke> nice
[16:38] <OZ1SKY_Brian> bbl
[16:38] <Upu> not touched the elevation just left it at 90' to the horizon
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[16:40] <SQ6NDM_> nie byBo mnie godzin, dalej leci, super :)
[16:40] <griffonbot> @AnthonyStirk: PICO is in the air and is just heading out into the North Sea heading towards Denmark/Norway listeners would be greatly appreciated #ukhas [http://twitter.com/AnthonyStirk/status/259695688387002368]
[16:41] <fsphil> listeners with boats especially
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[16:43] <griffonbot> @jamescoxon: RT @AnthonyStirk: PICO is in the air and is just heading out into the North Sea heading towards Denmark/Norway listeners would be greatl ... [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/259696282958970881]
[16:43] <LazyL_M0LEP> Fading here, for sure...
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[16:44] <griffonbot> @PD3EM: RT @AnthonyStirk: PICO is in the air and is just heading out into the North Sea heading towards Denmark/Norway listeners would be greatl ... [http://twitter.com/PD3EM/status/259696561947303936]
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[16:46] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: RT @AnthonyStirk: PICO is in the air and is just heading out into the North Sea heading towards Denmark/Norway listeners would be greatl ... [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/259697060071231489]
[16:46] <jcoxon> haha
[16:46] <cuddykid> tweeeeeet
[16:46] <jcoxon> perhaps a bit too much retweeting
[16:46] <cuddykid> lol
[16:47] <cuddykid> looks like ground speed is picking up
[16:48] <cuddykid> or it might just be me
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[16:56] <KT5TK_QRL> SP9UOB: nice stable float!
[16:56] <Upu> whens yours turning back up again KT5TK ?
[16:57] <KT5TK_QRL> It was floating stable until it reached melting temperature. Then I guess it collected condensate and dropped fast to 12000 ft out of range of the receivers.
[16:57] <Upu> so going to be Florida before it comes in range again ?
[16:57] <KT5TK_QRL> It'll keep floating
[16:57] <KT5TK_QRL> in the water of the Gulf of Mexico ;)
[16:58] <Upu> lol
[16:58] <Upu> right best take dog for a walk back soon
[16:58] Action: jcoxon wishes he hadn't forgotten his yagi
[16:58] <KT5TK_QRL> It was going pretty fast down to 12kft. so I expect it's lost
[17:00] <number10> oh - not good jcoxon.. the float altitude looks good
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[17:01] <jcoxon> number10, indeed
[17:01] <jcoxon> oh well
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[17:04] <jcoxon> we'll keep track
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[17:11] <navrac2> joxon: how is it doing compared to the predicted path?
[17:11] <navrac2> jcoxon even
[17:11] <jcoxon> little bit more NE then the predicted flight
[17:12] <jcoxon> (which is good)
[17:12] <navrac2> isnt it meant to turn east soon?
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[17:14] <m0psi> aaargh :-( can't seem to find SDR software for the mac
[17:14] <m0psi> got the USB dongle, and I thought i would be able to join the Rx army. alas. NO.
[17:15] <jcoxon> m0psi, what sdr?
[17:15] <DrLuke> m0psi: http://gnuradio.org/redmine/projects/gnuradio/wiki/MacInstall
[17:15] <m0psi> i got the dongle from HAB Supplies
[17:15] <m0psi> oooh, DrLuke
[17:16] <m0psi> i shall, have a rummage and get back to y'all
[17:16] <jcoxon> m0psi, look for gqrx mac
[17:16] <DrLuke> but as I said you might want to invest into some cheapish laptop running windows or linux :)
[17:16] <jcoxon> http://dekar.wc3edit.net/2012/09/30/osx-port-of-the-awesome-gqrx-sdr-software/
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[17:16] <DrLuke> yeah use that instead
[17:16] <DrLuke> gnuradio is more a modular thing to actually create your own radio
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[17:19] <jcoxon> ooo predictions
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[17:20] <jcoxon> wow SP9UOB is still up
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[17:21] <jcoxon> i think a well placed netherlands station could give us lots
[17:23] <m0psi> oh jcoxon!! I like you!! :-)
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[17:23] <m0psi> it seems to work
[17:23] <m0psi> what is your pico on right now?
[17:24] <jcoxon> 434.300
[17:25] <griffonbot> @jgrahamc: RT @AnthonyStirk: PICO is in the air and is just heading out into the North Sea heading towards Denmark/Norway listeners would be greatl ... [http://twitter.com/jgrahamc/status/259706930078035969]
[17:26] <jcoxon> bingo
[17:26] <jcoxon> found it on global tuners
[17:26] <jcoxon> Dokkum Dx
[17:26] <number10> great
[17:26] <jcoxon> not decodable currently
[17:26] <m0psi> i think i have it! jcoxon
[17:26] <m0psi> seems intermitent
[17:26] <SP9UOB> I was on News :-)
[17:27] <number10> thats good SP9UOB - I hope it was about the balloon :)
[17:27] <SQ6NDM_> Tomek nagraBe[ z TVN-u? Nie ogldaBem
[17:27] <SP9UOB> number10: yup
[17:27] <SP9UOB> SQ6NDM_: tak nagralem - ladny material
[17:27] <SQ6NDM_> to pode[lij pózniej na grupe sp9pdf
[17:28] <SQ6NDM_> lub wstaw na jaki[ serwer
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[17:30] <number10> did pico just stop tx then?
[17:30] <number10> momentarily
[17:30] <jcoxon> was it a hundred count?
[17:31] <jcoxon> was it doing its reset?
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[17:31] <number10> yes 900
[17:31] <number10> see how bad my memory is
[17:32] <jcoxon> getting partial decodes on globaltuners
[17:32] <jonsowman> dial freq?
[17:32] <Upu> oh is that what it does at 100
[17:32] <Upu> 434300.92
[17:32] <jonsowman> USB?
[17:32] <jcoxon> Upu, yeah it resets the radio completely
[17:32] <Upu> yes
[17:32] <jcoxon> and also resends all teh GPS config
[17:33] <Upu> ok that explains it
[17:33] <Upu> btw rock solid TX
[17:33] <Upu> not retuned at all
[17:33] <jcoxon> to avoid the eurus problem
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[17:33] <navrac2> its been very good - keeping the tx on really helps
[17:34] <navrac2> actually best rfm flight ive seen
[17:35] Nick change: russss_ -> russss
[17:35] <jcoxon> :-) good work Upu
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[17:35] <jcoxon> won't be long til i've got it dokkum
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[17:37] <m0psi> i see some low constant signal on 434.0, but no data. is that pico?
[17:37] <navrac2> where is dokkum?
[17:37] <jcoxon> nothern netherlands
[17:37] <jcoxon> my icon is set to it
[17:37] <navrac2> probably not m0psi
[17:37] <jcoxon> m0psi, 434.300
[17:37] <jcoxon> remember with an sdr you need to off tune
[17:37] <jcoxon> as in don't set it to 434.300
[17:38] <navrac2> ah yes - got you
[17:39] <navrac2> good posiyion - should do for a long way into the night
[17:40] <jcoxon> number10, do you have a pic of PICO Spider?
[17:40] <Upu> lol
[17:42] <SP9UOB> altitude is stable now - nice floating :-)
[17:42] <SQ2NNN> a co on tak dBugo jeszcze wisi ?
[17:43] <Upu> has it seen sunset yet SP9UOB ?
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[17:43] <SP9UOB> SQ2NNN: slonce zaszlo, gaz ostygl i przestal sie wznosic
[17:43] <Upu> must have
[17:43] <jcoxon> hehe the map of europe on spacenear.us is funny
[17:43] <m0psi> ok, jcoxon and navrac2
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[17:43] <SP9UOB> Upu: yes, is in the earth shadow now
[17:44] <Upu> night shift time :)
[17:44] <m0psi> i'm quite a way from pico, so maybe it is not possible for me
[17:44] <Upu> congrats :)
[17:44] <jcoxon> m0psi, its probably quite a push
[17:44] <jcoxon> picos aren't hte easiest to track
[17:44] <jcoxon> just because of the low altitudes
[17:44] <m0psi> y, will have to wait till next launch to find out if i can do it
[17:45] <m0psi> anyone launching tomorrow?
[17:45] <Upu> fingers crossed this lot will still be up
[17:46] Nick change: russss_ -> russss
[17:46] <jcoxon> yay a string from GT
[17:46] <griffonbot> @PD3EM: Pico HAB is floating too much to the North to decode...http://t.co/DNSb0fKM #ukhas Better turn the wind 90 degr @jamescoxon ! [http://twitter.com/PD3EM/status/259712281733132288]
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[17:48] <DrLuke> haha
[17:49] <DrLuke> yeah jcoxon, go fetch the wind machine from your garage
[17:49] <jcoxon> radio temperature has stabilised
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[17:50] <SQ6NDM_> Tomek, rekord czas lotu? :-)
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[17:53] <SP9UOB> 8 hours airborne
[17:54] <number10> jcoxon: pico spider was on a video - here is a freeze - bit poor http://imgur.com/OkW7r
[17:54] <number10> he/she was climbing up
[17:54] <Upu> right good luck hopefully it will still be there when I get back
[17:54] <Upu> bbl
[17:56] <DrLuke> does anybody know if I can download the entire WGS84 data somewhere?
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[17:58] <SP9UOB> i I could download entire log of my flight - would be cool
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[17:59] <SP9UOB> could someone from habhub could export it for me ?
[18:04] <navrac2> excellent you got it on gt
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[18:04] <jcoxon> navrac2, yeah its getting much clearer
[18:05] <Lunar_Lander__> do we have a website on RTL-SDR?
[18:05] <Lunar_Lander__> a page on the ukhas wiki
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[18:06] <x-f> Lunar_Lander__, http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:sdr_tracker
[18:06] <jonsowman> Lunar_Lander__: really, googling that would have found it quicker
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[18:07] <Lunar_Lander__> yea
[18:07] <Lunar_Lander__> sorry
[18:07] <Lunar_Lander__> thanks x-f
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[18:07] <x-f> PICO has a predicted flight path over my country O.o
[18:08] <jcoxon> x-f, where you based?
[18:08] <jcoxon> denmark?
[18:08] <x-f> Latvia
[18:08] <jcoxon> of right
[18:08] <x-f> so no high hopes :)
[18:08] <jcoxon> will have to see about that...
[18:09] <fsphil> ah they're both still up
[18:10] <fsphil> I'm not hearing anything on 10m tonight at all
[18:10] <SQ5NWI> SP9UOB: am I right that signal is weaker and weaker?
[18:10] <Lunar_Lander__> OZ1SKY_Brian, can you hear something already?
[18:13] <SP9UOB> SQ5NWI: S7 - baterie marzn1
[18:13] <SP9UOB> bbl
[18:14] <fsphil> what's the dial frequency for the HF launch?
[18:18] <SQ5NWI> SP9UOB: No wlasnie. Od kilkunastu minut mam problemy z dekodowaniem ramek i widze na waterfall, ze sygnal oslabl...
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[18:38] <Lunar_Lander__> hi nosebleedkt
[18:38] <Lunar_Lander__> jcoxon, any idea when you will try to repeat atlas?
[18:38] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Lunar_Lander__ no its way to far from me yet
[18:38] <Lunar_Lander__> ah
[18:38] <nosebleedkt> yo !
[18:38] <Lunar_Lander__> how's things nosebleedkt ?
[18:39] <nosebleedkt> tired !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[18:39] <Lunar_Lander__> yea me too
[18:39] <nosebleedkt> media still hunts me
[18:39] <nosebleedkt> they got obsessed
[18:40] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon wonder if i have to DL the chase app :-)
[18:40] <Lunar_Lander__> nosebleedkt, oh
[18:41] <jcoxon> hehe
[18:41] <jcoxon> OZ1SKY_Brian, its going well
[18:41] <jcoxon> slow but well
[18:42] <Lunar_Lander__> yeah
[18:42] <Lunar_Lander__> it's good that it takes that way
[18:42] <Lunar_Lander__> if it would head for norway there would have been much more water to cross
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[18:49] <jcoxon> lovely signal here
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[18:49] <number10> you travel far - I have lost it
[18:51] <jcoxon> number10, doing well, considering how simple it was to launch
[18:51] <Lunar_Lander__> NYC?
[18:51] <Lunar_Lander__> Dan went home without coming to Germany?!
[18:51] <Lunar_Lander__> :(
[18:52] <jcoxon> number10, surely there is another section to your mast?
[18:52] <number10> its doing very well
[18:52] <jcoxon> :-p
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[18:53] <number10> and you got the float altitude spot on jcoxon
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[18:57] <jcoxon> that radio is keeping warm
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[18:57] <cuddykid> making nice progress jcoxon
[18:58] <cuddykid> Upu once again doing a sterling job receiving
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[18:59] <cuddykid> still can't believe the number of receivers in poland
[18:59] <fsphil> spot on 4km float
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[19:02] <SQ5NWI> SP9UOB isn't going to leave Poland ;-)
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[19:02] <SQ5NWI> What is the reason that it's fly is so long in time? Why it didn't burst yet?
[19:03] <SQ5NWI> Is it thanks to lack of Sun light?
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[19:06] <fsphil> it has enough helium to lift the balloon, but not enough to get it high enough to burst
[19:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon aiming for my backyard?
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[19:08] <Lunar_Lander__> xD
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[19:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Very lucky we got the GT in NL
[19:16] <craag> Yeah, I'm listening to it atm and it's coming in v strong!
[19:17] <Lunar_Lander__> cool
[19:20] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Where is G3VZV-1?
[19:22] <jcoxon> ummm central england
[19:23] <jcoxon> he is very good at tracking
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[19:24] <OZ1SKY_Brian> surely must be
[19:26] <MI0VIM> that prediction really is aiming not far from you
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[19:28] <OZ1SKY_Brian> fsphil_MI0VIM yeah its passing very close
[19:29] <fsphil_MI0VIM> yep. we'll need some Swedish stations if this keeps up :)
[19:30] <jcoxon> the question is whether it turns east
[19:30] <jcoxon> as hysplit suggests it won't
[19:30] <jcoxon> and may continue heading north
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[19:31] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes we have to see
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[19:35] <jcoxon> hmmm has gone quite weak here
[19:35] <jcoxon> oh better now
[19:37] <jcoxon> no crashes all day with dl-fldigi on osx
[19:38] <OZ1SKY_Brian> cant find anyone on the south west coast to monitor
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[19:39] <jcoxon> SP9UOB is on its way out of poland
[19:40] <jcoxon> it is a bit worrying that we are beginning to rely on a GT station
[19:41] <Lunar_Lander__> because we can't occupy a globaltuner for too longß
[19:41] <Lunar_Lander__> ?
[19:41] <craag> A GT station with occasional massive QRM.
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[19:41] <Laurenceb_> so many stations in poland
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[19:42] <Lunar_Lander__> QRM was like disturbances?
[19:43] <craag> Local interference every now and then that wipes out the signal for 20-40 seconds.
[19:43] <Lunar_Lander__> yea
[19:43] <Lunar_Lander__> that's bad
[19:44] <Lunar_Lander__> how long does one string take?
[19:45] <craag> About 16 seconds
[19:46] <Laurenceb_> a velocity on spacenear would be nice
[19:47] <Lunar_Lander__> craag, mhhm that's bad :(
[19:48] <craag> Apart from that every few minutes though, we're getting 100% decode from it at 24 dB snr.
[19:48] <jcoxon> yeah when its going well its good
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[19:49] <SQ5NWI> SP9UOB received only by one station :-( Still high, but with such weak signal we'll lose it quickly
[19:50] <jcoxon> signal weak because of power? or cold?
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[19:53] <Laurenceb_> seems pico getting over the horizon?
[19:54] <jnchson> hello, can someone give me some info in using a camera/video on a payload
[19:54] <jcoxon> Laurenceb_, from the uk yeah
[19:54] <jcoxon> but not from netherlands
[19:54] <Laurenceb_> impressive
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[19:54] <number10> indeed
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[19:54] <Laurenceb_> are there photos of the pico?
[19:54] <number10> launch http://imgur.com/K4xSg
[19:55] <Laurenceb_> interesting
[19:55] <Laurenceb_> what on board?
[19:55] <Laurenceb_> *whats
[19:55] <number10> payload http://imgur.com/rF8oO
[19:55] <Elwell> and what baloon (and how pressurised at start)
[19:56] <Laurenceb_> whats in there?
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[19:59] <jcoxon> Elwell, its a 92cm foil balloon
[19:59] <jcoxon> its about 65% full with He
[19:59] <jcoxon> Laurenceb_, its ublox GPS, RFM22b, AVR
[19:59] <jcoxon> running at 1.8v
[19:59] <craag> What payload weight / free lift out of interest?
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[19:59] <Laurenceb_> nice
[19:59] <jcoxon> Laurenceb_, singe AA lithium
[20:00] <Laurenceb_> so ~27 hours?
[20:00] <SQ9OKI> SP9UOB - na 439.375 ktos Cie wola
[20:00] <jcoxon> craag, 31g, 1.5g of free lift
[20:00] <Laurenceb_> what is the battery field?
[20:00] <SQ5NWI> Seems we lost SP9UOB :-( It was impresive day of tracking between daily routines.
[20:00] <jcoxon> oh its not battery
[20:00] <jcoxon> its the navmode
[20:00] <craag> Ah ok. Thanks.
[20:00] <Laurenceb_> <SQ5NWI> :(
[20:01] <jcoxon> oh no!
[20:02] <jcoxon> craag, just me and you now
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[20:05] <jcoxon> i think we can remove KT5TK from the map
[20:05] <jcoxon> :-(
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[20:06] <SamSilver> jcoxon: with figures like 31g, 1.5g free lift and a pico surely the strain on the envelope is very low and so a long float is on the cards, batt life is how many hours?
[20:07] <jcoxon> SamSilver, oh yes, it should float for a long time
[20:07] <jcoxon> looking at 30hrs
[20:07] <KT5TK> Now a working http://websdr.camras.nl:8901/ would be useful :/
[20:07] <SamSilver> batt life 30 hrs
[20:08] <SamSilver> this is such fun
[20:08] <eroomde> better queue up some podcasts
[20:08] <jcoxon> KT5TK hah
[20:08] <jcoxon> evening eroomde
[20:08] <eroomde> yo
[20:09] <navrac2> hows it going - just got back and it looks like my pc shut itself down a while back
[20:09] <jcoxon> navrac2, holding it together with a GT station
[20:09] <jcoxon> stable float
[20:10] <jcoxon> signal is solid, very little drift
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[20:10] <eroomde> so you're settling in for the night?
[20:11] <navrac2> going to restart the receiver pc - a bit of a long shot but i had signal before it locked up by the looks of it
[20:11] <jcoxon> eroomde, looks like it
[20:11] <jcoxon> got a bit of slow-hell between 0200 and 0700
[20:11] <eroomde> wow
[20:12] <jcoxon> thought no one would be listening anyway
[20:12] <eroomde> :)
[20:12] <eroomde> are you in suffolk?
[20:12] <jcoxon> yeah
[20:13] <jcoxon> helen is on nights this weekend
[20:13] <jnchson> i wanted to know what is the best camera to use in high altitude
[20:14] <jcoxon> jnchson, i recommend a canon which can run the chdk firmware
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[20:17] <jnchson> ok cheers
[20:18] <craag> Signal is getting weaker on the globaltuner
[20:18] <jcoxon> it'll come back craag
[20:18] <navrac_work> i can only get partials here
[20:19] <navrac_work> its drifting and the afc cant cope
[20:19] <jcoxon> navrac_work, its okay
[20:19] <craag> jcoxon: So it does, all the way back up.
[20:20] <OZ1SKY_Brian> taking a nap, back 0200´ish cet
[20:21] <jnchson> jcoxon: with the firmware chdk can i disable the sleep/standby function
[20:22] <jcoxon> jnchson, yeah i think so
[20:23] <navrac_work> lost it in the noise now - sorry
[20:23] <jnchson> can i set it to take pictures at regular intervals by just connecting it to its sd card and battery supply
[20:23] <number10> do you still have the ability to upload hell jcoxon - as when brian wakes up he may need that?
[20:24] <number10> as in the web intergace
[20:24] <number10> face
[20:25] <jcoxon> number10, nah its not worth it
[20:25] <jcoxon> i suggest we just post direct to IRC
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[20:27] <jcoxon> its quite a lonely little balloon
[20:27] <jcoxon> it amazes me that its still flying considering what it is
[20:27] <Lunar_Lander__> yea
[20:27] <Lunar_Lander__> jcoxon, you are cool
[20:28] <jcoxon> eek i wouldn't go that far!
[20:29] <fsphil_MI0VIM> back, and they're both still up. sweet
[20:29] <number10> I better not post the cool launch video then
[20:29] <jcoxon> fsphil_MI0VIM, they've lost contact with SP9UOB
[20:29] <fsphil_MI0VIM> aaaw
[20:29] <SP9UOB> maybe tommorow, after sunrise
[20:29] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I didn't see the timestamp
[20:29] <fsphil_MI0VIM> yea
[20:29] <fsphil_MI0VIM> that's happened before
[20:29] <SP9UOB> it will up
[20:29] <jcoxon> number10, hehe i hope the abridged version
[20:30] <number10> well there is a cool spider as well
[20:30] <SP9UOB> batteries not should be drained now
[20:30] <jcoxon> not the boring walk
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[20:31] <jcoxon> transmitter is warming up
[20:33] <Lunar_Lander__> sounds good
[20:33] <Lunar_Lander__> SP9UOB, what batteries do you use?
[20:35] <SP9UOB> Lunar_Lander__: 4 pcs CR123A
[20:35] <SP9UOB> http://fakty.tvn24.pl/wysokie-loty,283917.html
[20:35] <SP9UOB> :-)
[20:35] <Lunar_Lander__> CR123A?
[20:35] <SP9UOB> Lunar_Lander__: yes
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[20:36] <Lunar_Lander__> SP9UOB, xD Baumgartner....made in poland
[20:36] <navrac2> why do we bother with two tones on rtty - surely we're just wasting power
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[20:37] <navrac2> its either one or the other. so surely we could just increase the power of one by 2x
[20:37] <SP9UOB> navrac2: there is ONE tone at the time
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[20:37] <DrLuke> SP9UOB: nnnnice!
[20:38] <navrac2> yes so if we just sent the marks we could send them at 2x the power level and just say if not mark then its a space
[20:38] <Lunar_Lander__> SP9UOB, did they send you the same TV team as last time?
[20:39] <gonzo_> it's the peak power that is the limit
[20:39] <SP9UOB> Lunar_Lander__: unfortunetly no
[20:39] <SP9UOB> http://www.tvs.pl/41485,balonowy_rekord_rodem_z_gliwic_zobacz_film_i_zdjecia.html
[20:39] <navrac2> ah thats true
[20:39] <Lunar_Lander__> ah
[20:39] <gonzo_> and a single keyed carrier, we call it morse code
[20:39] <Lunar_Lander__> SP9UOB, oh yea last time you had something by TVS on youtube
[20:40] <navrac2> yeah i know, but is there really an advantage of 2 tones?
[20:41] <Lunar_Lander__> SP9UOB, what does "Pobi´c Felixa..." mean?
[20:41] <navrac2> to be honest im not thinking about the tx side - i just have a bit of an idea floating around
[20:41] <jcoxon> pun intended?
[20:42] <DrLuke> meanwhile in finnland: http://www.wimp.com/crazyguy/
[20:43] <navrac2> no - its just if you sent rtty from an rfm 22 and had a single rfm receiving it as ook by using just one of the tones as sa relay balloon launced 4 hours later that retransmitted as rtty again
[20:43] <jcoxon> navrac2, certainly worth trying something
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[20:43] <jcoxon> i'd be keen to try
[20:43] <navrac2> its los that kills us - that and a rx/tx that weighs very little
[20:44] <navrac2> and since the rfm22 isnt a bad receiver if you are careful - especially with a hab amp front end , it could be light and make a good relay
[20:45] <griffonbot> @jamescoxon: PICO is still flying! over the North Sea on its way to Denmark. North Netherlands or West coast Denmark listeners greatly appreciated #ukhas [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/259757214301036544]
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[20:46] <navrac2> well when my next batch of bits arrive I'll try it
[20:46] <jcoxon> we could then do it 2 way
[20:47] <jcoxon> so we could have launched a balloon 2 hrs ago
[20:47] <jcoxon> and we could make a link across the sea...
[20:47] <navrac2> still havent finished the 1.8v domino - the 3v3v works but Im struggling with the 1.8v circuit
[20:48] <jcoxon> i think Upu's 1.8v board is amazing
[20:48] <griffonbot> @PD3EM: RT @jamescoxon: PICO is still flying! over the North Sea on its way to Denmark. North Netherlands or West coast Denmark listeners greatl ... [http://twitter.com/PD3EM/status/259758066101256193]
[20:49] <navrac2> domino is interesting and was a technical challemge - but its los thats limiting us
[20:49] <navrac2> and the relaay system sounds a whole lot of fun
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander__> doesnt Bill Brown use Domino along with RTTY, CW and Hell?
[20:49] <fsphil_MI0VIM> domino is too fussy to be worth it I think
[20:49] <jcoxon> fsphil_MI0VIM, there is another NI station!
[20:49] <navrac2> it is a bloody nightmare to keep it stable at 432mhz- the steps are just too close
[20:50] <fsphil_MI0VIM> finally jcoxon :D
[20:50] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I don't recognise the callsign
[20:50] <Lunar_Lander__> doesnt Bill Brown use Domino along with RTTY, CW and Hell?
[20:50] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander__, yes
[20:51] <navrac2> bill brown?
[20:51] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander__, you don't need to repeat questions :)
[20:51] <jcoxon> navrac2, WB8ELK
[20:51] <fsphil_MI0VIM> WB8ELK
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[20:51] <fsphil_MI0VIM> what an amazingly straight flight path
[20:51] <navrac2> ok so ive reinvented the wheel - but ive reinvented it with an rfm and stable
[20:52] <fsphil_MI0VIM> this has to be the furtherest into the north sea a foil launch has been tracked
[20:52] <navrac2> but the relay has now captured my imagination
[20:52] <fsphil_MI0VIM> relays are fun
[20:52] <fsphil_MI0VIM> do you have a plan?
[20:52] <navrac2> i lost ozzie6 about 100 miles earlier than this
[20:53] <navrac2> and it was going down aqnyway
[20:53] <navrac2> i have a cunning plan as blackadder would say - but it needs testing
[20:54] <Lunar_Lander__> navrac2, he was like the first HAB flyer in the US
[20:54] <Lunar_Lander__> flies since 1987
[20:54] <fsphil_MI0VIM> ah, from the Cunning University
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[20:54] <Lunar_Lander__> but how does he do four modes in one flight?
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[20:55] <fsphil_MI0VIM> it's just a matter of programming Lunar_Lander__ :)
[20:55] <jcoxon> no dl-fldigi crashes
[20:55] <jcoxon> hooray
[20:55] <fsphil_MI0VIM> has dl-fldigi frozen on anyone today?
[20:55] <navrac2> im sure its a cr&p idea - but i have a reputation for making cr&p ideas work through toi determination and not giving up
[20:55] <fsphil_MI0VIM> lol
[20:55] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I think that's basically how ssdv came about
[20:55] <fsphil_MI0VIM> just kept hitting it until it worked
[20:56] <SP9UOB> listeners record beaten :-)
[20:56] <navrac2> well after ive finished someone alwayspoints out an easier way i could have done things
[20:56] <fsphil_MI0VIM> easily SP9UOB
[20:56] <navrac2> yep - that was impressive
[20:56] <fsphil_MI0VIM> it's like the listener station lorry had an accident and spilled its contents all over poland
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[20:57] <jcoxon> 250km from landfall
[20:57] <fsphil_MI0VIM> ah, past the half way mark!
[20:57] <navrac2> could only fit sp9uob on the screen - with all the listeners everything else scrolled off the screen
[20:57] <number10> well done SP9UOB
[20:57] <SP9UOB> ;-)
[20:57] <fsphil_MI0VIM> You have to be happy with this flight SP9UOB, even if it doesn't come back on
[20:57] <jcoxon> and 300km from the UK
[20:57] <jcoxon> so over half way
[20:58] <navrac2> hopefully some of them will be available in the future now theyve done it once. its addictive
[20:58] <Lunar_Lander__> SP9UOB, what does "Pobi´c Felixa..." mean?
[20:58] <SP9UOB> Beat the Felix
[20:59] <jcoxon> hmmm
[20:59] <jcoxon> stuggling on decode
[20:59] <fsphil_MI0VIM> we need to drop a lego felix from 40km :)
[20:59] <Lunar_Lander__> ah
[21:00] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I hope my pico does even 10% this good
[21:01] <craag> Struggling on decodes here too
[21:01] <SP9UOB> fsphil_MI0VIM: cool
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[21:03] <jcoxon> hopefully its only temporary
[21:03] <navrac2> what interests me is that there doesnt seem to be the expected drop as the solar warming falls off
[21:04] <jcoxon> navrac2, is it a sign of super-pressuring?
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[21:04] <navrac2> ozzie1 did 5400 falling to 5k when it was night
[21:04] <navrac2> no supperpressure is just as sensitive to the heating od the gas
[21:05] <navrac2> i suppose with silcer mylar / nylon it wont be large
[21:05] <jcoxon> craag, partial decodes here
[21:05] <craag> Same, only a couple of characters dropping out.
[21:05] <navrac2> so 32-3 hours till the next station?
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[21:05] <navrac2> 2-3
[21:05] <SP9UOB> jcoxon: are You one from habhub team ?
[21:06] <jcoxon> SP9UOB, i only really work on dl-fldigi
[21:06] <jcoxon> SP9UOB, go on to #habhub
[21:06] <jcoxon> thats where they hang out
[21:06] <SP9UOB> jcoxon: ok thanks
[21:06] <craag> jcoxon: Is there somewhere to manually enter corrected strings (eg. lost comma)
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[21:07] <jcoxon> craag, not particularly
[21:07] <navrac2> jcoxon: how hard would it be to recode the dominoex filters on fldigi to say 156hz steps?
[21:08] <jcoxon> navrac2, no idea, never looked at the modem
[21:08] <navrac2> ok
[21:08] <jcoxon> craag, i wonder if geography is getting in the way
[21:09] <jcoxon> 55044561,43176203
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[21:09] <craag> jcoxon: 4082 altitude for that one.
[21:09] Action: jcoxon tightens the filter
[21:10] <navrac2> it would seem the higher latex floaters are going to be easier to track
[21:10] <jcoxon> altitude helps
[21:10] <navrac2> but harder to get to float
[21:10] <jcoxon> indeed
[21:10] <craag> I'm at 52 hz filters.
[21:11] <navrac2> or is it that no one really tries?
[21:11] <jcoxon> navrac2, well it usually just me
[21:11] <jcoxon> 1.6kg + <4m/s ascent rate and high chance
[21:12] <navrac2> i must admit most people seem to be into photos
[21:12] <fsphil_MI0VIM> you can only do that so many times :)
[21:12] <Laurenceb_> heading for hostlebro
[21:13] <Laurenceb_> hostle.bro
[21:13] <craag> 550793349,44378618,4048
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander__> SP9UOB, it is cool that Polish TV has so much interest in these flights
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[21:14] <SP9UOB> Lunar_Lander__: good PR does the job :-)
[21:14] <jcoxon> 0:13,550944863,44575305,4063,12,6,6*E26
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander__> :)
[21:15] <Laurenceb_> navrac: grep -r "<dominoex spacing>" ./fldigi
[21:16] <Laurenceb_> but it will end up at 2.7KHz or so bandwidth
[21:16] <jcoxon> shame we don't have any west denmark stations
[21:16] <jcoxon> would begin to be in range
[21:16] <craag> Green :)
[21:16] <craag> Coming back??!
[21:16] <jcoxon> wow
[21:16] <jcoxon> i'm seriously behind
[21:17] <jcoxon> hold on
[21:17] <fsphil_MI0VIM> that right?
[21:17] <navrac2> i think im going to go back to the rfm 500 baud limit on its fsk and see if i can manually calculate the settings for lower baud rates - its just the excel claculator that gives up
[21:17] <fsphil_MI0VIM> it's just rising over the denmark coast
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander__> yay
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander__> OZ1SKY_Brian, where are you?
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander__> :)
[21:17] <mrShrimp> Hi, I was pointed here from the Arduino forums to get the ezcap USB 2.0 DVB-T/DAB/FM dongle mentioned in this tutorial: http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:sdr_tracker
[21:17] <mrShrimp> Can anyone help me with this?
[21:18] <jcoxon> mrShrimp, most likely
[21:18] <eroomde> don;t ask to ask, just ask
[21:18] <navrac2> mr upu sells them
[21:18] <mrShrimp> The thing is
[21:18] <mrShrimp> does he live in the U.S.?
[21:18] <navrac2> no but he posts there
[21:18] <mrShrimp> Right
[21:19] <mrShrimp> I guess I will need to buy it off of Amazon then
[21:19] <navrac2> careful - they come nowdays without the protection diode - stick them on a good antenna and they die
[21:20] <eroomde> booom michael bay
[21:20] <mrShrimp> Is there a better product I could get then?
[21:20] <mrShrimp> better dongle, that is to say
[21:21] <jcoxon> well the funcube pro plus is better
[21:21] <jcoxon> but its much more expensive
[21:21] <navrac2> rather more expensive - but a funcube dongle is cool - or fit the missing diode
[21:21] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I'm playing with a pro plus atm
[21:21] <navrac2> whats it like in comparison to the normal one
[21:21] <gonzo_> caffine tablets?
[21:22] <MLow> ok so the tests with the kite are done
[21:22] <mattbrejza> mrShrimp: if youre in the US you can use APRS which uses potentially cheaper FM radios anyway
[21:22] <fsphil_MI0VIM> none of my software supports it navrac2, so for now annoying :)
[21:22] <MLow> need to buy a new camera, it didnt go well
[21:22] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I'm testing it on my old windows laptop atm
[21:22] <fsphil_MI0VIM> with sdrsharp
[21:22] <gonzo_> thought theer was only one in existance?!
[21:22] <fsphil_MI0VIM> so far so good
[21:22] <MLow> lets just say the flight pattern of a kite changes with a kg payload under tow
[21:22] <fsphil_MI0VIM> brb, doggie walk
[21:23] <jcoxon> green
[21:23] <mattbrejza> whats the front end on that fsphil_MI0VIM ?
[21:23] <SpeedEvil> oops
[21:23] <SpeedEvil> MLow: eBay buys broke cams
[21:23] <navrac2> i found the extra gain of the han amp useful - the filter not so much so for me here
[21:23] <fsphil_MI0VIM> this in theory has a built-in 70cm filter anyway
[21:23] Nick change: LazyL_M0LEP -> LazyLeopard
[21:23] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I won't know how good the frontend is until I get it on the colinear
[21:23] <SP9UOB> CU all - thanks for everything :-)
[21:23] <fsphil_MI0VIM> which I'll do tomorrow
[21:24] <navrac2> yep - but since i live in the middle of nowhere gain is more important than filtering
[21:24] <navrac2> walk the dog!!
[21:24] <fsphil_MI0VIM> yea he's sitting crying at me
[21:24] <MLow> SpeedEvil: it was 30$ working on ebay
[21:24] <navrac2> ive exhausted mine today
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[21:24] <fsphil_MI0VIM> was suppose to be out 20 minutes ago :)
[21:24] <SpeedEvil> ah :-)
[21:25] <navrac2> they arecurled up round my feet
[21:25] <fsphil_MI0VIM> this mutt has an annoyingly good sense of time, he knows when its 10pm
[21:25] <Willdude123> Does a USB DVB stick with HABamp work as well as a proper radio?
[21:26] <navrac2> daylight savingends soon
[21:26] <navrac2> hmm, not for me but ymmv
[21:26] <eroomde> Willdude123: the sensitivity is not quite as good as a more conventional rig
[21:27] <navrac2> yep
[21:27] <eroomde> but good enough if you're close or have a decent antenna
[21:27] <eroomde> and absolutely no problems for bench testing
[21:27] <navrac2> theres a ft790mkII on ebay - how is it compared to the mkI
[21:28] <navrac2> im tempted...
[21:28] <Laurenceb_> interesting
[21:28] <Laurenceb_> very slight upward drift
[21:28] <Willdude123> Is there much chance of losing the payload with one.
[21:28] <Willdude123> *?
[21:28] <Laurenceb_> wonder if its creep
[21:28] <navrac2> not unless it floats
[21:28] <Laurenceb_> or weather systems
[21:29] <Laurenceb_> about 15m/hour upward linear drift
[21:29] <Laurenceb_> on the altitude
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[21:29] <jcoxon> green
[21:30] <eroomde> supergreen
[21:30] <navrac2> id put that down to weather, having said that i thought it would drop and night, so what do i know
[21:30] <Lunar_Lander__> XD!
[21:31] <Laurenceb_> yeah
[21:31] <Laurenceb_> but i guess its under clouds
[21:31] <Laurenceb_> that oscillation might be couds?
[21:34] <jcoxon> horizon has made landfall
[21:34] <jcoxon> it can see denmark
[21:34] <mrShrimp> @mattbrejza, I am pretty sure that I have already purchased everything except the dongle to make this work, and the pre-assembled APRS trackers are quite expensive. I didn't plan to use them at the outset, and I think it would be unwise for me to use them now :p
[21:34] <number10> thats really great
[21:35] <mrShrimp> sorry for that late reply...
[21:36] <navrac2> eroomde: your a clever chap and probably sober - if i received rtty by just detecting one of the tones and used the logic if not tone 1 then probably tone 2 - how much would it cost me in db?
[21:36] <eroomde> so many assumptions
[21:36] <navrac2> yep
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[21:36] <eroomde> good question though
[21:37] <Laurenceb_> 3db or so
[21:37] <navrac2> i went to the pub earlier , so my limit is working out the question, never mind the answer
[21:37] <eroomde> same
[21:37] <eroomde> turf tavern
[21:37] <Laurenceb_> but power modulation would be bad
[21:37] <Laurenceb_> i.e. if its wobbling about etc
[21:38] <eroomde> yeah. i'm just thinking about how one would code it
[21:38] <eroomde> the assumption would have to be that it is always either high or low
[21:38] <Laurenceb_> so the tx power to the rx antenni would fluctuate
[21:38] <Laurenceb_> that might make it much worse than 3db
[21:39] <eroomde> what do you ask navrac?
[21:39] <navrac2> im just thinking about the concept of using an rfm on a dumb payload - no gps - just and rfm and processor acting as a relay - receiving rtty via say a habamp and retransmitting rtty
[21:39] <navrac2> and/an
[21:40] <navrac2> the rfm just listening for one tone
[21:40] <number10> did you just get another decode?
[21:41] <navrac2> looks like it
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[21:42] <eroomde> navrac2: interesting
[21:42] <eroomde> i was thinking you could get ranging with a radiomatrix fm txrx pair
[21:42] <MLow> radiomatrix :O
[21:43] <eroomde> a matrix with positive elements along all the radii
[21:43] <eroomde> 0 elsewhere
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[21:44] <eroomde> but with 3 listeners who could send ranging tones, you could v likely get pretty good position estimates
[21:44] <Laurenceb_> sounds hard to actually make it work
[21:44] <Laurenceb_> i was thinking of using eloran
[21:45] <navrac2> i was more into increasing the range for these long floats rather than removing the gps - i was just thinking about launching simple relay ballons at say 2 hour intervals
[21:45] <navrac2> so a cheap lighweight rx unit
[21:45] <SpeedEvil> with two pure tone beacons, and one of a known position, and three receivers, in known positions, I think you can do pure phase counting
[21:46] <Laurenceb_> maybe gps at say 2 minute intervals
[21:46] <Laurenceb_> and pressure much more often
[21:46] <Laurenceb_> as thats the interesting bit
[21:46] <SpeedEvil> or yo can lose the requirement for a second beacon, if you have good time
[21:46] <Laurenceb_> SpeedEvil: but you would need constant phase lock
[21:46] <SpeedEvil> yes
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[21:47] <Laurenceb_> not easy
[21:47] Action: SpeedEvil wishes those rb standards hadn't gone up in price
[21:48] <SpeedEvil> they used to be 25 quid. now 50
[21:48] <eroomde> you can do more complicated tones
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[21:48] <eroomde> a triangle wave modulated onto fm
[21:48] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[21:48] <SpeedEvil> that helps
[21:49] <jcoxon> green
[21:49] <kc9doa> bye
[21:49] <navrac2> jcoxon: I think you;re just about o beat ozzie1's pico float :-(
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[21:50] <navrac2> mind you i think you beat that already with one going up to scotland didnt you?
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[21:53] <jcoxon> getting tough again
[21:53] <jcoxon> beginning to go out of range
[21:54] <navrac2> oz1_sky said hed be back in about 2 hrs
[21:54] <navrac2> 2am cet
[21:54] <navrac2> might be quite till then.
[21:54] <navrac2> quie
[21:54] <navrac2> quiet even
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[21:59] <jcoxon> could probably scrap out some slowhell at this signal strength
[22:00] <navrac2> thats 3 hours till slow hell time isnt it?
[22:00] <jcoxon> yeah
[22:03] <jcoxon> hmmmm
[22:03] <eroomde> you could watch itv2 until then
[22:03] <eroomde> for a different kind of slow hell
[22:03] <jcoxon> indeed
[22:04] <jcoxon> we need http://www.oz5esb.dk/OZ5ESB/esbjerg_afdeling.htm
[22:06] <eroomde> that looks like an alternative home row
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[22:13] <jcoxon> craag, anything?
[22:14] <craag> jcoxon: Just got back in, scouring scrollback in fldigi now.
[22:16] <craag> I got this for no. 1893: 55388861,48130802
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[22:16] <craag> Just now got: 5566038,4068...
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[22:17] <Lucasbuck> evening, question regarding radio stuffs
[22:18] <jcoxon> just ask, don't ask to ask :-)
[22:18] <Lucasbuck> ive been on the ebay hunt for a yaesu ft-817nd for a while :)
[22:18] <Lucasbuck> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yaesu-FT-817ND-Z-817-Autotuner-/190741714601?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones_Communication_Ham_Radio_Receivers_Transceivers&hash=item2c691796a9
[22:18] <Lucasbuck> that a good 'lot of bits'
[22:18] <Lucasbuck> ive put a bit in a bid atm
[22:18] <Lucasbuck> bit=bid
[22:18] <Lucasbuck> that sentence makes no sense
[22:18] <Lucasbuck> ive put a bid on it atm :)
[22:19] <craag> last decent one was: $$PICO,1890,2151:37,53838401,4840918,4104,11,6,7*90E4
[22:19] <mfa298> Lucasbuck: looks like a good setup.
[22:19] <Lucasbuck> cool :)
[22:20] <mfa298> most 817's I've seen go for around 400 quid
[22:20] <Lucasbuck> just need to procure a whip antenna for 70
[22:20] <Lucasbuck> cool
[22:20] <mfa298> with the tuner it might be a bit more
[22:20] <Lucasbuck> ive set 400 at my top bid
[22:20] <Lucasbuck> atm
[22:20] <Lucasbuck> fingers crossed!
[22:20] <Lucasbuck> i really want to see if i can help out on tracking other payloads
[22:20] <mfa298> the one it comes with will work for 70cm's but may not be ideal for HAB
[22:20] <Lucasbuck> + it will help me learn lots!
[22:21] <mfa298> although I think the one I've got wasn't much worse than the home made 2m dipole I've got.
[22:21] <Lucasbuck> i'll get a yagi if i get this
[22:22] <mfa298> if you're tracking at home you can probably make a reasonable slimjim fairly cheaply
[22:22] <jcoxon> i'm down to just seeing the carrier on the waterfall
[22:24] <mfa298> the 2m dipole I often use is a short piece of 34mm drain pipe and some threaded rod with rg58 and a suitable plug. It's also possible to make a beam using the same sort of technique
[22:24] <jcoxon> ping OZ1SKY_Brian
[22:25] <navrac2> he went for a nap - said hed be on at 2am cet
[22:25] <jcoxon> yeah i know
[22:25] <jcoxon> but was hoping differently
[22:26] <navrac2> just thought youd try
[22:26] <navrac2> no harm in asking
[22:26] <navrac2> this is a bit like the shuttle re entry
[22:27] <navrac2> but a lot longrt
[22:27] <navrac2> must fix this keyboard
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[22:30] <jcoxon> 4122m
[22:32] <jcoxon> 55.685065,5.183256
[22:33] <number10> not much change in altitude
[22:34] <jcoxon> Randomskk, is there a way of inputing strings to habitat manually
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[22:36] <number10> jcoxon: http://habitat.habhub.org/transition/
[22:36] <number10> dont know if still works
[22:37] <jcoxon> not sure it does
[22:38] <DanielRichman> yes that url works
[22:38] <DanielRichman> well, should work
[22:38] <DanielRichman> pretty sure it still does
[22:38] <jcoxon> $$PICO,2045,22:32:48,55673399$53359766,4082,9,6,7*1D39
[22:38] <jcoxon> $$PICO,2045,22:32:48,55673399,53359766,4082,9,6,7*1D39
[22:38] <jcoxon> thats teh string i want to try
[22:39] <DanielRichman> [2012-10-20 22:33:53,785] INFO habitat.parser MainThread: Parsing [ascii] '$$PICO,2048,22:33235,5470319 5,53448441,4 74,9,6,7*11E6\n' (12429cd614ef120be975d58a0924cfe4ad562e4a8a861acd638d21c4483668af) from M6JCX-GT
[22:39] <DanielRichman> [2012-10-20 22:33:53,801] DEBUG habitat.parser MainThread: Exception in UKHAS main parse: Invalid CRC16-CCITT checksum.
[22:39] <DanielRichman> ah that's the wrong one
[22:39] <DanielRichman> 2045 is below that
[22:39] <DanielRichman> same result
[22:39] <DanielRichman> invalid checksum
[22:39] <jcoxon> oh well
[22:39] <jcoxon> i'll keep searching
[22:40] <number10> off now - hope it continues to stay up and you get telemetry
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[22:42] <navrac2> by my finger measuring technique its about an hour till its in range again
[22:44] <DanielRichman> I tried toggling bits and can't get that checksum to pass
[22:44] <jcoxon> grrrr i'm so close to nearly getting strngs
[22:44] <navrac2> if you post them we could all look for patterns
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[22:48] <craag> My strings (I'll keep updating): https://www.thecraag.com/pad/p/PICO_Strings_20thOctober
[22:48] <jcoxon> ping craag
[22:49] <jcoxon> can you let me tune
[22:49] <craag> There you go
[22:51] <navrac2> have you tried a 468hz shift?
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[22:55] <jcoxon> craag, not sure i can fit into the narrow radio filter
[22:55] <navrac2> ping OZ1SKY_Brian wakey wakey
[22:57] <craag> jcoxon: Yeah I saw, shame.
[22:57] <navrac2> some nice strings appearing in logtail
[23:00] <m0psi> evenin all, is pico still alive/sending?
[23:00] <jcoxon> m0psi, yes but its too far for us to decode it
[23:00] <m0psi> just got my dongle working
[23:00] <m0psi> what's the freq again? I'll see if i can spot a carrier/anything
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[23:01] <jcoxon> 434.303
[23:01] <m0psi> ta
[23:01] <jcoxon> but its a long way from you
[23:02] <m0psi> sure, but i'd like to have a look-see :-)
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[23:02] <m0psi> what is the repeat period?
[23:02] <Lunar_Lander__> nothing here sorry jcoxon
[23:06] <jcoxon> craag, not helping :-p
[23:06] <craag> jcoxon: I'm not getting anything coherent out of that, looks like it doesn't quite fit :(
[23:06] <craag> I am actually getting nothing now. Last partials are up on that pad I linked.
[23:10] <jcoxon> ping Randomskk
[23:10] <Randomskk> hi
[23:10] <jcoxon> can we extend the flight for PICO
[23:11] <Randomskk> done
[23:11] <Randomskk> til midnight 22nd
[23:16] <Graham_G3VZV> .
[23:16] <jcoxon> hey Graham_G3VZV
[23:18] <jcoxon> craag, nothing here
[23:19] <navrac2> does $$PICO,2138,22:57:10,558764331,56142466,4129,8,6,7*DCC6 pass the checksum?
[23:19] <craag> Nope, I've just given up.
[23:20] <jcoxon> craag, thanks for all the help
[23:22] <jcoxon> i've set it to narrow filter just so i can keep track of the carrier
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[23:22] <jcoxon> OZ1SKY_Brian should be able to hear it now
[23:23] <navrac2> im only staying up to see if he comes back
[23:23] <jcoxon> haha
[23:24] <fsphil_MI0VIM> night all, and good luck :)
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[23:25] <m0psi> y, ditto. good show today. thanks. good night.
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[23:27] <^ph> jcoxon: I am also in Denmark
[23:27] <jcoxon> do toy have a radio!?
[23:27] <jcoxon> you*
[23:27] <^ph> Yes on 434,300
[23:27] <jcoxon> can you hear it?
[23:27] <jcoxon> 434.303
[23:28] <^ph> no
[23:28] <jcoxon> oh
[23:28] <navrac2> drat
[23:28] <jcoxon> 434.303 USB
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[23:28] <jcoxon> you running dl-fldigi? helps us as we can see where you are
[23:28] <eroomde> the danes hate to see it bleep
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[23:30] <^ph> I am running dl-fldigi but I'm not on the map?
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[23:32] <navrac2> isit only the h version thsat puts people on the map?
[23:33] <jcoxon> teh h version?
[23:33] <navrac2> hab mode
[23:34] <Lunar_Lander__> yea
[23:34] <jcoxon> well its more if its online
[23:34] <Lunar_Lander__> also you need valid decodes of course
[23:34] <jcoxon> you don't need decodes
[23:34] <navrac2> no it puts you on without valid decodes
[23:34] <Lunar_Lander__> ah yeah
[23:34] <^ph> V. 3.21.50 HAB mode
[23:34] <Lunar_Lander__> (Apex Alpha really was a long time ago...)
[23:35] <navrac2> (windows shortens the name to dl-fldigi 3,20.xx h...= thats why i call it the h version)
[23:35] <jcoxon> ^ph, thats the right version
[23:36] <jcoxon> and is the lat/lon setup?
[23:36] <jcoxon> there is also a delay to updating the map
[23:36] <jcoxon> perhpas its that
[23:36] <jcoxon> where abouts roughly are you?
[23:37] <^ph> I was on the map yesterday
[23:37] <jcoxon> whats your call
[23:37] <jcoxon> ?
[23:38] <^ph> I am in the northern part of Denmark
[23:38] <^ph> OZ9AEH
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[23:38] <jcoxon> oh right yeah i saw it yesterday
[23:39] <navrac2> yep its there
[23:39] <navrac2> no signal though..pity
[23:39] <jcoxon> it should appear quite soon
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[23:41] <^ph> Nothing to hear here
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[23:43] <JFS1> Hello anyone out there. What's the story with the Pico and SP9UOB?
[23:43] <jcoxon> pico is heading towards denmark
[23:43] <jcoxon> while sp9uob is probably still floating but not heard from in a couple of hours
[23:43] <jcoxon> the signal became very weak
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[23:44] <JFS1> Any idea when Brian is expecting it to drop by his place?
[23:44] <jcoxon> he should appear in 15mins
[23:45] <^ph> There is something weak now
[23:45] <jcoxon> ^ph, try restarting your dl-fldigi
[23:45] <JFS1> ^ph-are you in Denmark?
[23:45] <^ph> Yes
[23:46] <^ph> Call: OZ9AEH
[23:46] <JFS1> And it must be closing in on 2am with you - that's dedication!
[23:46] <jcoxon> yes - thanks for the tracking!
[23:47] <r2x0t> predictor is broken again... downloads all files OK, but then in returned CSV: "1350819730,-inf,-inf,8454" and no path is returned
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[23:48] <Lunar_Lander__> hi r2x0t
[23:48] <r2x0t> hi
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[23:50] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Hi
[23:50] <jcoxon> OZ1SKY_Brian, !
[23:51] <Lunar_Lander__> wb OZ1SKY_Brian
[23:51] <jcoxon> 434.303 USB :-)
[23:51] <jcoxon> can you hear it?
[23:52] <navrac2> ^ph - it should come up rapidly once it crosses the radio horizon
[23:52] <OZ1SKY_Brian> VERY weak
[23:52] <Lunar_Lander__> AWESOME
[23:52] <jcoxon> but still there?
[23:52] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 432.302
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[23:53] <jcoxon> no signal at dokkum
[23:53] <jcoxon> its gone too far
[23:54] <navrac2> come on please someone get a packet - wife is nagging me to come to bed, im getting in trouble here
[23:56] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ÿ$$PICO,3=5-::5$TC¦ƒ42#r,429;134,01;3©Æ'0€ÿÿýÿÿÿ$”ä`6W?&30w13x¦½:a?vvvt
[23:56] <jcoxon> navrac2, go to bed
[23:56] <navrac2> oh yes!
[23:56] <navrac2> no ont yet
[23:56] <navrac2> when the tracker updates
[23:56] <jcoxon> OZ1SKY_Brian, good work
[23:57] <jcoxon> ^ph, i can see some data from you to the server
[23:57] <jcoxon> so something must be working
[23:57] <jcoxon> strange that you aren't on the map
[23:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon got Per on the phone
[23:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> trying to help
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