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[07:27] <eroomde> MORNING
[07:28] <UpuWork> don't start :)
[07:29] <fsphil> he's quite the case
[07:29] <fsphil> at least he's not sensitive
[07:31] <jonsowman> how do you come up with these so early
[07:31] <jonsowman> :|
[07:32] <fsphil> I've got my thinking Caps on
[07:32] <UpuWork> that device to stab people over the internet is required
[07:32] <jonsowman> lol
[07:32] <fsphil> I'll stop now
[07:32] <fsphil> :p
[07:37] <jonsowman> :)
[07:37] <eroomde> poor lunar seemed quite tormented by my allcaps
[07:38] <eroomde> 20:47 < Lunar_Lander> please stop that
[07:38] <eroomde> 20:50 < Lunar_Lander> what in the world has just happened?
[07:39] <jonsowman> he wasn't the only one :P
[07:39] <jonsowman> i was also wondering
[07:39] <eroomde> 21:00 < Lunar_Lander> WTF has just happened?
[07:39] <jonsowman> haha
[07:42] <fsphil> What have you done with Good Ed, Evil Ed?
[07:43] <eroomde> he needs a break
[07:43] <jonsowman> fair enough really
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[07:57] <eroomde> i have just made some really nice coffee
[07:57] <eroomde> i wish i could capture all the variables
[07:57] <eroomde> this is lovely
[07:58] <eroomde> and radio 3 have emailed me back telling me what a piece was that i overheard in a trailer and liked
[07:58] <eroomde> all i need to do now is go and get a prostate examination, and the transformation to late middle-age is complete
[07:59] <jonsowman> haha
[08:02] <gonzo___> any older and you will ne chatting on the 80mtr band!
[08:02] <eroomde> NEVER
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[08:19] <eroomde> so other than adam, any launches coming up soon?
[08:19] <eroomde> the season is a bit over now
[08:20] <jonsowman> http://hourly.cusf.co.uk :|
[08:20] <eroomde> the season is a bit over now
[08:20] <jonsowman> it is
[08:21] <eroomde> although end of next week looks good!
[08:22] <jonsowman> i have a feeling that might change, unfortunately
[08:24] <number10> if you launch wed 10 20:00 it should land not far from my house
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[08:27] <number10> I wonder what the shortest non-falure flight distance was
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[08:32] <fsphil> I guess the cookstown > north sea season is starting
[08:33] <number10> were you planning to to another in the near future fsphil ?
[08:33] <fsphil> near is relative. it was suppose to be in july
[08:34] <fsphil> was hoping to avoid another winter launch
[08:34] <number10> thats a shame - slow permissiona and poor weather ?
[08:34] <number10> s
[08:35] <fsphil> bit of both yea
[08:35] <fsphil> all the predictions seem to be scotland or the irish sea atm
[08:35] <fsphil> have been for ages
[08:38] <eroomde> number10: we did one at ears once
[08:38] <eroomde> jcoxon and steve and i and doug ellison
[08:38] <eroomde> totally forget which one but probably 2008
[08:38] <eroomde> anyway i think it went up to about 28km and landed about 1km away
[08:38] <eroomde> and just straight up and straight back down
[08:38] <number10> thats amazing
[08:38] <eroomde> we were lying on the ground with binos tracking it visually
[08:39] <number10> presumably a nice sunny day
[08:39] <eroomde> very
[08:39] <eroomde> totally still
[08:39] <eroomde> was perfect
[08:40] <number10> usually the chase is quite exciting and a bit of a panic - this could have been a bit of a picnic
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[08:44] <fsphil> ooh very good
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[09:19] <mclane> hi, can someone point me towards a simple $pubx message parser (for the ublox gps)?
[09:20] <mclane> I do not have an arduino, but an lpcxpresso (cortex m0)
[09:20] <mclane> and i am too lazy to design one by myself ;-)
[09:22] <fsphil> you should try, it's not too difficult :)
[09:23] <mclane> i hate string manipulation in c...
[09:23] <mclane> but i will try
[09:23] <fsphil> well I have to agree with you there
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[10:24] <cuddykid> Upu: morning, a few quick questions - were Hackvana good (better than seeeeeeeeed)? Also, I guess you advise swapping my atmega328 through hole for a surface mount one?
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[10:26] <eroomde> NEVER USE SURFACE MOUNT
[10:26] <eroomde> THEY EXPLODE
[10:28] Action: SpeedEvil likes popcorn.
[10:28] <MrScienceMan> http://www.ibiblio.org/harris/500milemail.html
[10:29] <DrLuke> cuddykid: yes hackvana is brilliant
[10:29] <DrLuke> go to #hackvana
[10:29] <cuddykid> lol eroomde
[10:30] <cuddykid> excellent, I'll order through them then - my last experience with seee&.d was not great
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[10:31] <BrainDamage> got it, no worries for the bot
[10:31] <eroomde> AH RIGHT
[10:31] <eroomde> DIDNT SEE YOU
[10:31] <MrScienceMan> WHY ARE WE SHOUTING !?
[10:31] <DrLuke> eroomde: I thought you ate the booger under your capslock key
[10:31] <BrainDamage> thanks
[10:31] <daveake> snot true
[10:32] <DrLuke> I bought a kindle
[10:32] <DrLuke> and it won't arrive today
[10:32] <DrLuke> #firstworldproblems
[10:32] <DrLuke> now I have to be bored on the train
[10:32] <eroomde> DrLuke: I HAVE FLU
[10:33] <eroomde> THEY GET REPLENISHED
[10:33] <cuddykid> daveake: when do you go on hols?
[10:33] <daveake> TOMORROW
[10:33] <daveake> :)
[10:33] <cuddykid> nice! Have a good one!
[10:33] <eroomde> JUST TO CONFUSE PEOPLE
[10:33] <DrLuke> OK
[10:33] <eroomde> LIKE TOP POSTING
[10:33] <cuddykid> daveake: you can escape the constant rain in this country :D
[10:34] <DrLuke> I CAN
[10:35] <eroomde> I PUT THE SEXY IN DYSLEXIC
[10:35] <cuddykid> lol
[10:35] <fxoo> DONT USE CAPS LOCK
[10:35] <eroomde> WHO ARE YOU
[10:35] <BrainDamage> USE SHIFT
[10:35] <eroomde> I AM
[10:35] <fxoo> IT MAKES YOU STRONGER
[10:36] Nick change: fxoo -> x-f
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[10:36] <x-f> WHY DID DAVEAKE LEAVE?
[10:38] <eroomde> IT'S QUITE EXTREME
[10:38] <DrLuke> so I need some book to read on my kindle
[10:39] <DrLuke> is Pern any good?
[10:39] <eroomde> DON'T WHISPER DRLUKE
[10:39] <eroomde> THAT'S POOR NETIQUETTE
[10:39] <DrLuke> :3
[10:39] <DrLuke> i whisper whenever i want
[10:42] <Laurenceb> #trollercoaster
[10:42] <eroomde> THAT'S NOT A CHANNEL
[10:43] <Laurenceb> grow up
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[10:47] Nick change: eroomde -> ALLCAPS
[10:51] <fsphil> we need to bring back CAPITAL punishment
[10:52] <gonzo___> That's all your TYPE think of!
[10:53] <gonzo___> such a font of knowledge
[10:56] <fsphil> we'd better shift this back on topic
[10:57] <gonzo___> you have a POINT
[10:57] <gonzo___> That is KEY
[10:58] Nick change: gonzo___ -> gonzo_
[10:58] Nick change: NigelMoby -> NigeyS
[10:59] <x-f> everything is under CTRL
[11:00] <fsphil> you've underscored the main issue
[11:01] <gonzo_> Need to escape this topic
[11:01] <fsphil> take a Pause/Break?
[11:01] <gonzo_> Now desn't that just cap-it-all
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[11:13] <navrac_work> DrLuke dont hold your breath for your kindle - since they changed delivery company they are terrible - daughter ordered one for next day delivery on monday
[11:13] <DrLuke> :/
[11:13] <navrac_work> on wed morning they decided they lost it so amazon dispatched another one
[11:13] <navrac_work> next day delivery again
[11:14] <navrac_work> guess what still hasnt turned up
[11:15] <fsphil> do you know what carrier?
[11:15] <ALLCAPS> 434.650MHz
[11:16] <navrac_work> if you live in a remotish area where they havent got any other deliveries they dont bother and return it to sender. When i asked a delivery driver off the record what happens, he said they save up all the deliveries to remote areas for a few days - as its cheaper to refund amazon than deliver it on time
[11:16] <navrac_work> and if someone complains they say its lost and then send it back to amazon when they 'find' it
[11:17] <navrac_work> ping upu
[11:17] <navrac_work> ping upuhome
[11:19] <DrLuke> navrac_work, my parents got theirs 1 day after odering
[11:19] <navrac_work> must live near a town
[11:21] <DrLuke> in the city
[11:23] <DrLuke> they said the guaranteed shipping date is tomorrow
[11:23] <navrac_work> might be alright then
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[11:33] <Laurenceb> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Ana.b747.pokemon.arp.750pix.jpg
[11:33] <Laurenceb> wtf japan
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[11:37] Nick change: ALLCAPS -> eroomde
[11:37] <eroomde> Darkside: ping
[11:38] <eroomde> was it you having that wierd issue that time with the output of an LDO suddenly plummeting and there being almost 0V across it, i.e v_in = v_out?
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[12:21] <prog> All Nipples Airways
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[12:27] <eroomde> ?
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[14:21] <Darkside> eroomde: nto me
[14:37] <eroomde> ah ok
[14:37] <eroomde> it was someone
[14:37] <eroomde> i recall they might have been driving an inductive load
[14:38] <Laurenceb> http://piholder.com/raspberry-pi-cases/5-raspberry-pi-case.html
[14:38] <Laurenceb> first pro case ive seen
[14:38] <eroomde> and so it occured to me randomly during lunch that some back voltage from the inductive load might have driven the v_out side above the v_in side of the reg, above a diode threshold voltage, causing a sort of short which woud clamp the reg output voltage down
[14:39] <Laurenceb> hmm
[14:40] <Laurenceb> maybe thats why there are diodes after the vreg on st discovery boards
[14:40] <Laurenceb> ive removed the diodes on all my discoveries
[14:41] <Laurenceb> as they result in piss poor voltage stability
[14:52] <Darkside> peoples of #highaltitude
[14:52] <Darkside> behold my latest work
[14:52] <Darkside> THE BUTTON
[14:52] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/YzOYV.jpg
[14:53] <BrainDamage> awesome, can you add key lock too?
[14:53] <Darkside> lol
[14:53] <Darkside> too annoying
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[15:03] <eroomde> i am very pleased there's a new bright comment coming
[15:04] <eroomde> in the next couple of years
[15:04] <eroomde> i suspect it's quite possible to have a lifetime without anything much
[15:04] <eroomde> and i was a bit young for hayakutake and hale-bopp
[15:08] <eroomde> http://www.astronomynow.com/news/n1209/25comet/
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[15:13] <number10> strange I cant remember if I saw Hale-Bopp - maybe we had bad weather - I remember the news stories at the time
[15:17] <eroomde> i remember seeing it
[15:17] <eroomde> but i was 10
[15:18] <eroomde> and didn;t care so much
[15:18] <eroomde> or maybe 9
[15:18] <eroomde> it was a dcout night going for a walk in the downs
[15:18] <eroomde> or maybe cubs
[15:18] <eroomde> whatever it is when you're 9
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[15:24] <number10> would be nice to get a picture but I have no scope
[15:27] <DrLuke> I remember hale-bopp
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[15:28] <DrLuke> at the time I didn't even realize how cool it was
[15:28] <DrLuke> That's why I am looking forward to the new one coming so much
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[15:47] <eroomde> same
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[16:12] <navrac_work> btw eroomde - the max6 is lovely and jitter free <<2ns at 6mhz - take it off frequency by a few hz and FM!
[16:14] <navrac_work> really nasty at 7mhz
[16:16] <nosebleedkt> lets see who is a linux guru here
[16:16] <nosebleedkt> :P
[16:16] <nosebleedkt> i compiled gcc with multilib. i created both 32&64bit binaries.
[16:16] <nosebleedkt> but the 32bit binary was linked against a 'leaked' version of glibc under /tools/lib
[16:16] <nosebleedkt> propably the compiler was build with that info.how can i change the configure of the gcc?
[16:16] <nosebleedkt> to link things under /lib where my 32bit glibc resides
[16:17] <eroomde> navrac_work: interesting
[16:17] <eroomde> what i have observed at 10mhz is that the jitter builds up
[16:17] <eroomde> so form a ns or so to about 60ns
[16:17] <eroomde> compared to a paerfect square wave this is
[16:17] <navrac_work> rather drifty till it gets gps time but stable even with no actual satellite lock
[16:17] <eroomde> and then goes 'ping' back to 0, like an oldfashioned typewriter
[16:18] <navrac_work> try something like 6000010 and its vile
[16:18] <eroomde> so i assumed something like error accumumlated between the gps's local clock and some sattelite disciplined counter
[16:18] <nosebleedkt> .
[16:18] <eroomde> which it then violently resets
[16:19] <navrac_work> i only had the probe on for a couple of minutes cos my hand got tired - but the jitter was consistent and small.
[16:19] <eroomde> s'ok then
[16:19] <Laurenceb> navrac_work: so 6mhz is good?
[16:19] <eroomde> keep at it!
[16:19] <Laurenceb> what about 8?
[16:19] <Laurenceb> is there a 5x pll ic thats nice ?
[16:19] <navrac_work> 6mhz is good - most other frequencies are very very bad
[16:19] <eroomde> a multiple of the local clock?
[16:20] <Laurenceb> or maybe the local clock
[16:20] <eroomde> factor*
[16:20] <Laurenceb> but in that case how do they tune it
[16:20] <Laurenceb> maybe they actually use a vctcxo
[16:20] <navrac_work> sadly i hoped that i might just be able to change the timepulse frequency to do small shifts - but it goes really nasty
[16:20] <Laurenceb> and tune to gps time
[16:20] <Laurenceb> yeah
[16:20] <eroomde> hmm, i'd have thought the local clock would be a bit higher unless they have a separate one doing the sampling
[16:20] <Laurenceb> this is one reason id try vcxo
[16:20] <Laurenceb> they can pll off it
[16:20] <navrac_work> yes ive got one running here, its pretty good
[16:21] <Laurenceb> i meant the tcxo whatever that clks the thing
[16:21] <kokey> nosebleedkt: ouch, I tend have a completely independent directory tree for each target platform, or an independent VM for each, since mixing it always leads to complications for me
[16:21] <Laurenceb> you have a vcxo using varicaps?
[16:21] <Laurenceb> or a vctcxo
[16:21] <navrac_work> except it has tri state input pins that it says you should leave floating for some settings, but you have to load them and release them for it to select the right multiplier
[16:21] <Laurenceb> ah
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[16:22] <navrac_work> I did VCTCXO>x3 frequency multiplier yesterday and that worked nicley - very stable and could change the freq with a filtered pwm
[16:23] <navrac_work> so could do domino and very low drift
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[16:23] <navrac_work> but i blew up the vctcxo this morning and hadnt got a spare so this afternoon decided to do the timepule x5 instead
[16:24] <Laurenceb> oops
[16:24] <navrac_work> which is a cheap one chip method of stabilising an rfm22
[16:25] <navrac_work> Ive got to wait till monday for the replacement vctcxo
[16:26] <navrac_work> fing RS i bought two crystals from the variable frequency oscillator range - which turned out not to be voltage controlled at all - a pig to solder and i spent ages trying to work out why they wouldnt tune
[16:27] <Upu> sounds interesting navrac_work
[16:28] <Upu> be amazing to have no drift and the ability to do the different modes
[16:28] <nosebleedkt> .
[16:28] <navrac_work> well for 3v3 its a chap way of sorting out the rfm's. but no use for domino
[16:29] <kokey> I thought I'll actually have some time to myself tomorrow
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[16:29] <navrac_work> so its back to the vctcxo's for that - but ive got the component count down now
[16:29] <kokey> now I'm helping someone move
[16:31] <navrac_work> but its tricky trying to get a stable output with a processor running at 4mhz as the difference between the switching frequency required and the pwm means the filtering is a bit critical
[16:32] <Laurenceb> i was thinking of clocking the timer from an external source
[16:32] <Laurenceb> i.e. from the gpio on the rfm22b
[16:32] <Laurenceb> so you can clk timer at 15mhz
[16:33] <Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/BIb1h.jpg
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[16:39] <navrac_work> by default gpio2 gives 1mhz clock output - enough to start up and switch its output to something faster
[16:43] <Laurenceb> oh nice
[16:43] <Laurenceb> as soon as the power is connected?
[16:43] <navrac_work> thyere is one thing that i would like to try to stop the drift on tx start on the rfm is there is a line in the datasheet which says the vco is calibrated every time the synth is enabled - in certain operations this may be disabled by changing the appropriate register - but it neglects to say which one
[16:44] <navrac_work> laurenceb - yes its the power up default
[16:45] <navrac_work> i dont suppose youve got a link to the register description for the rfm have you - i cant find it now
[16:45] <Laurenceb> search for si4432
[16:45] <navrac_work> ah found it an440
[16:46] <navrac_work> yeah i only use silabs datasheets, the hope ones are just search and replace si4432/rfm22b silabs/hope
[16:51] <Laurenceb> yep
[16:52] <navrac_work> hmm either its one of the 'reserved' registers or they are lying
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[17:14] <eroomde> the world has gone mad
[17:14] <eroomde> i am at a starbucks near victoria station
[17:15] <eroomde> the person infront of me did that thing that I thought only happened in american films
[17:15] <eroomde> that sort of percussive recital at the counter which is apparently a coffee order
[17:15] <eroomde> "i'll have a mocha-bocca-chocca-flocka-nocka-pocka-hocka-decaff'
[17:16] <eroomde> i somewhat apologetically proved the encore 'just a strong black coffee please'
[17:16] <eroomde> but that was not allowed, i had to order something that was provided in their system of nomenclature
[17:17] <eroomde> despite me just providing the constraints again
[17:17] <eroomde> strong
[17:17] <eroomde> black
[17:17] <eroomde> coffee
[17:17] <eroomde> and yet no, system broken
[17:17] <eroomde> i apparently have an americano with an extra shot
[17:18] <eroomde> but the whole process leaves a somewhat unsatisfactory taste, coffee included
[17:19] <eroomde> now i am sitting in a coffee shop with an apple laptop ostensibly doing work but actually not
[17:19] <eroomde> maybe now is a good time to end thing
[17:19] <eroomde> hulk angry
[17:19] Nick change: eroomde -> ALLCAPS
[17:19] Action: Upu shakes his head
[17:22] <gonzo_mob> too much caffine me thinks
[17:23] Nick change: ALLCAPS -> eroomde
[17:23] <eroomde> infact i'm going for dinner this eve which is enough to bring me back to a happy place
[17:23] <eroomde> but have got an hr to kill now
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[17:37] <x-f> your flu medicines might have some side effects
[17:38] <eroomde> i'm not taking any medication for it but for lemsip
[17:39] <eroomde> maybe there is some mild hullucinagen in it
[17:40] <eroomde> 2:56 of battery left
[17:40] <eroomde> lol
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[17:40] <eroomde> maybe that would have been better presented by allcaps
[17:42] <gonzo_> mr allcaps hyde gone?
[17:42] <Upu> better have had
[17:43] <eroomde> i think he has adhd actually
[17:46] <eroomde> he might make a compassionate comeback for his #1 fan
[17:46] <eroomde> mr L. Lander
[17:47] <eroomde> speaking of which, all quite on that front so far today
[17:48] <eroomde> so today we made a simple radio ranging thing
[17:49] <eroomde> all it needs is a bent pipe receiver at 10mW transmitter on the balloon
[17:49] <eroomde> and a ground station to send a specially constructed tone
[17:49] <eroomde> and then listen to the reply
[17:49] <eroomde> it occurs to me that with 3 listeners, you could probably do balloon localisation to within about 500m-1km or so over the uk
[17:50] <eroomde> which might be a fun thing to try
[17:50] <eroomde> this is, 3 listeners who can send the ranging tones
[17:50] <eroomde> it's based on the same principle we were looking at for the landing radar for our hovering rocket
[17:51] <eroomde> but can get away with being much simpler for a sacrifice in accuracy. but 500m-1km is no problem really for rough balloon aquisition
[17:51] <eroomde> i'm also thinking it might work for super simple dumb payloads
[17:51] <eroomde> super lightweight ones, even
[17:55] <eroomde> hmm, continuiing this monologue
[17:55] <eroomde> one could find the distance to your local fm repeater
[17:55] <eroomde> that would be a nice way of upsetting hams and testing experimentental radio stuff
[17:55] <eroomde> double tick
[17:55] <SpeedEvil> I was wondering earlier abut simple tone ranging
[17:56] <SpeedEvil> with locked receivers
[17:56] <eroomde> don't think they need to be locked
[17:56] <eroomde> starbucks closing dsadly, gtg
[17:56] <eroomde> bbiab
[17:56] <SpeedEvil> I mean the emitter is only a beacon
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[18:15] <DrLuke> just cover your payload in tinfoil and use your cantenna radar: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YaGRyVZdFw4/TZB4rWBwHnI/AAAAAAAAAgA/e6AtmZdVFUE/s1600/Cantenna20Radar.jpg
[18:16] <DrLuke> or in that case, radars
[18:16] <BrainDamage> that actually looks pretty neat
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[18:17] <edmoore> SpeedEvil: Yes that makes sense
[18:17] <edmoore> If one could gps sync
[18:18] <SpeedEvil> indeed. or even just rubidium
[18:18] <DrLuke> BrainDamage: there's a defcon talk about it
[18:18] <edmoore> In the name of low power I was thinking something to turn the tx amp on like dtmf say
[18:19] <edmoore> And just give it 5s in which ground station must send a rNging tone
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[18:19] <DrLuke> BrainDamage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MViVyocQhVw
[18:19] <BrainDamage> thanks
[18:19] <edmoore> Would be very low power if u only did it once per minute say
[18:20] <edmoore> Might serve as a nice backup solution should main payload go tits up
[18:20] <edmoore> My phone client wanted me to say 'tits Upu'
[18:20] <edmoore> Thankfully caught it
[18:21] <jonsowman> lol
[18:21] <DrLuke> haha
[18:22] <DrLuke> you could actually probably build a radar out of an SDR dongle and an NTX2
[18:22] <DrLuke> and a mixer
[18:23] <edmoore> Probably yes
[18:23] <edmoore> If u could time stamp stuff sufficiently
[18:23] <SpeedEvil> dab is interesting that way
[18:23] <SpeedEvil> in principle
[18:23] <DrLuke> edmoore: the point is that you don't have to with a mixer
[18:24] <edmoore> Tell me mo
[18:24] <DrLuke> watch the talk, it explains it better than I could
[18:25] <edmoore> On phone and about to head out- will find it in logs later
[18:25] <DrLuke> or just ask again
[18:25] <DrLuke> or go to youtube and search for defcon radar
[18:25] <edmoore> Willdo
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[19:05] <Randomskk> eroomde: I was a little worried so I ran a sentiment analysis on your monologue about starbucks
[19:05] <Randomskk> and it's 1.0 polar-neutral and 0.7 negative-positive, i.e. highly polarised negative.
[19:06] <Randomskk> who knew.
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[19:06] <SP9UOB> Hi all
[19:07] <SP9UOB> is all ok with http://spacenear.us/tracker/ ?
[19:07] <Upu> yes it appears to load here
[19:07] <SP9UOB> UPU: is loading, but when i send data from my tracker - SP9UOB doesnt show
[19:08] <SP9UOB> $$SP9UOB,141,19:07:40,5016.6396,01839.2240,246*E88D
[19:08] <Upu> http://habitat.habhub.org/logtail/
[19:08] <Upu> [2012-10-03 21:56:12,813] DEBUG habitat.parser MainThread: Exception in UKHAS pre_parse: String contains characters that are not printable ASCII.
[19:08] <SP9UOB> hmmm - strange
[19:09] <Randomskk> well
[19:09] <Upu> doesn't seem to be getting the strings completed
[19:09] <Randomskk> it's not seeing anything from SP9UOB as a payload
[19:09] <Randomskk> only SR0FLY
[19:09] <Randomskk> SP9UOB is the uploading callsign
[19:09] <SP9UOB> 2012-10-03 22:03:17,171
[19:09] <SP9UOB> is not now ;-)
[19:10] <Randomskk> $$SR0FLY,36,,,:,,:,0,pý0,0*7FA6
[19:10] <Randomskk> is what it received
[19:10] <Randomskk> (note that several characters there were invalid unicode)
[19:11] <SP9UOB> dl_fldigi says: Uploaded payload_telemetry successfully
[19:11] <Randomskk> well yea but it must have not received the right thing from the payload/decode
[19:11] <Randomskk> it saw $$.......*AAAA which lets it upload
[19:11] <Randomskk> but it wasn't valid in the middle.
[19:12] <SP9UOB> $$SP9UOB,148,19:11:46,5016.6527,01839.3078,230*5805
[19:12] <SP9UOB> last packet
[19:12] <SP9UOB> checksum is ok
[19:13] <DanielRichman> parser is dead
[19:13] <DanielRichman> more generally,
[19:13] <DanielRichman> supervisor is dead
[19:13] <DanielRichman> >_>
[19:14] <DanielRichman> supervisor is infact completely bork
[19:14] <Randomskk> huh.
[19:14] <DanielRichman> python update maybe? supervisor is installed from apt though so
[19:14] <DanielRichman> like
[19:14] <DanielRichman> it shouldn't be broken
[19:14] <Randomskk> what killed the predictor?
[19:14] <Randomskk> there's nothing in the log...
[19:15] <Randomskk> uh
[19:15] <Randomskk> parser*
[19:15] <DanielRichman> reboot
[19:15] <DanielRichman> supervisor didn't come back up?
[19:15] <SP9UOB> DanielRichman: Thanks, i do sobe tests before transasiatic flight -
[19:15] <SP9UOB> telemetry on HF - 28.493 MHz
[19:16] <DanielRichman> there's a bug report similar to the bug with supervisor... in 2011...
[19:16] <DanielRichman> so
[19:16] <DanielRichman> what
[19:19] <edmoore> Randomskk: Thank you for doing that
[19:19] <edmoore> It was a low point
[19:20] <DanielRichman> SP9UOB: try now
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[19:21] <SP9UOB> Thanks :-)
[19:22] <SP9UOB> DanielRichman: its ok
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[19:23] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[19:23] <SP9UOB> Lunar_Lander: hi
[19:23] <Lunar_Lander> hi Tomas
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[19:38] <gb73d> http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/skydiver-felix-baumgartner-ready-jump-120000-feet-roswell/story?id=17379399#.UG82C8-7rgU
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[20:06] <x-f> what "Mobredthree" said in comments
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[20:09] <Lunar_Lander> Darkside, got a short question for you
[20:09] <Lunar_Lander> is your cutdown purely remotely controlled or can it also work autonomously?
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[20:11] <Upu> theres no reason it couldn't work autonomously Lunar
[20:11] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:11] <Upu> though originally the Millinut payload had no GPS on it
[20:11] <Upu> though I think he did a version that did
[20:11] <Lunar_Lander> oh, how was it supposed to find out where it is?
[20:11] <Upu> Sorry Osiris is the cut down one
[20:11] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:11] <Upu> separate tracker
[20:11] <Lunar_Lander> ok
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[20:22] <Lunar_Lander> hi MickMondo
[20:23] <MickMondo> Hi ya...
[20:23] <MickMondo> Just at work thought I'd pop on here
[20:24] <MickMondo> I was pestering everyone on here a week or so ago about the RFM22 ... I've now got it working .. yippy
[20:24] <Upu> congrats Mick
[20:24] <Upu> ultra light payloads ahoy
[20:24] <MickMondo> Hi Upu
[20:25] <Upu> see my results from the 1.8V run time ?
[20:25] <MickMondo> ha ha, just finnished design ready to etch
[20:25] <MickMondo> yes I did, pretty poor ....
[20:25] <MickMondo> ha ha joking
[20:25] <MickMondo> amazing
[20:25] <Upu> lol
[20:25] <Upu> just a bit better than I was expecting
[20:26] <MickMondo> cant wait for your test flight,
[20:26] <MickMondo> what does it weigh all in, capsule atenna the lot ..?
[20:26] <Upu> well if you use a AAA 15fg
[20:26] <Upu> 15g
[20:27] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[20:27] <MickMondo> sorry about the spelling, Im not checking it, crap typing lol
[20:27] <Upu> possibly less if you use Aerogel :)
[20:27] <fsphil> you could launch with just a parachute and a light breeze
[20:27] <MickMondo> is that with a capsule too..?
[20:27] <Upu> no
[20:27] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[20:27] <Upu> thats with battery antenna and bubble wrap
[20:28] <MickMondo> ahh
[20:28] <Upu> probably won't launch that "configuration"
[20:28] <MickMondo> thats lite
[20:28] <Lunar_Lander> ah btw, how can it work at 1.8V with one cell? Lithium?
[20:28] <MickMondo> dont tell him ha ha
[20:28] <Upu> electronic magic Lunar
[20:28] <Lunar_Lander> stepup
[20:28] <MickMondo> yes thats it
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> ah the TI one
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> I know that one
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:29] Action: Upu looks at the bot
[20:29] <Upu> well 61200 actually
[20:29] <MickMondo> I'll send you a mail about that Upu... I had a look at your circuit dia
[20:29] <Upu> ok
[20:29] <Upu> any issues ?
[20:30] <MickMondo> ah, that make sense
[20:30] <Upu> I'm on hols from tomorrow so ask me now or you're not getting an answer for a week :)
[20:30] <MickMondo> you had it listed as a 01 which is fixed voltage
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[20:30] <Upu> yes
[20:31] <MickMondo> but you had voltage divider resistor ..?
[20:31] <Upu> For 3.3V R1 = 0R0 , R4 = unpopulated
[20:31] <Upu> i.e VOUT -> FB
[20:31] <MickMondo> yes,
[20:31] <Upu> For 1.8V with the 61200
[20:31] <MickMondo> dont need the resistors
[20:31] <Upu> R1=510k , R4=196k
[20:32] <MickMondo> for 1.8
[20:32] <Upu> yes
[20:32] <Upu> 3.3V fit the 61201 , 1.8 fit the 61200
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[20:33] <MickMondo> I thought something was wrong as you,ve got resistor and it listed as a 01 but 3.3v
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[20:33] <Lunar_Lander> xD fight
[20:33] <MickMondo> does that make sense sorry..
[20:34] <MickMondo> It looks like a 01 fixed voltage shouldnt need divder resistors ..? what do you think
[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> hello nosebleedkt
[20:34] <Upu> it doesn't have one
[20:34] <Upu> by 0R0 across R1 you are linking VOUT to FB
[20:34] <Upu> R4 = unpopulated
[20:34] <MickMondo> cool thats what I thought, its your schmatic then
[20:35] <Upu> see the schematic I just PM'd you
[20:35] <Upu> its got some helpful text under the regulator now
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[20:40] <MickMondo> Yes, that makes sense .. I was think how did you get that to work with those resistor in there..
[20:40] <MickMondo> did you sort the noise problem
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[20:46] <MickMondo> Im back
[20:46] <MickMondo> Yeah Upu that makes sense now
[20:46] <MickMondo> Just had to re boot
[20:47] <MickMondo> hello
[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> wb MickMondo
[20:47] <MickMondo> crazy computers, keep losing connection
[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:48] <MickMondo> got anything planned
[20:48] <MickMondo> launch wise that is
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[20:50] <Upu> well the noise problem is a byproduct of the boost converter
[20:50] <Upu> Darkside is looking at ways of quieting it down
[20:50] <Upu> might be a design issue too
[20:50] <MickMondo> Ok on transmission ..?
[20:51] <Upu> fine on TX
[20:51] <Upu> not so good on RX
[20:51] <Upu> you'd need a serious bit of amplification to get through the noise
[20:51] <MickMondo> yeah when I see the resistors I thought it was that
[20:51] <MickMondo> really
[20:51] <Upu> there is a large and a small decoupling cap
[20:52] <Upu> but looks like it needs more
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[20:54] <MickMondo> yeah I see that, without looking was it a 47 and 1
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[20:55] <MickMondo> I see you had a 10 also .. havent got the sch at hand
[20:55] <Upu> https://www.dropbox.com/s/pelle31tx6lf61y/picoAva-Rev6.pdf
[20:55] <Upu> 22µF and a 0.1µF
[20:56] <MickMondo> right, got it the Vaux .. what have you on that, its a 10 yes
[20:56] <Upu> 10µF
[20:56] <Upu> thats just from the data sheet
[20:57] <MickMondo> thats quite large but should make things better
[20:57] <MickMondo> yeah the dat sheets seem to say all differnet things
[20:58] <MickMondo> I've got recommended 0.1 and 1.0 for voltages below 2.4 ish
[20:59] <MickMondo> and 2x 10 on output
[20:59] <MickMondo> 10 on line in
[20:59] <MickMondo> have you an earth plane
[21:00] <MickMondo> sorry not trying to stick my nose in
[21:02] <Upu> yes
[21:02] <Upu> top and bottom copper pour
[21:02] <Upu> linked with vias
[21:03] <Upu> happy to have people question it :)
[21:03] <Upu> don't forget to have a via under the TPS module so you can solder it through
[21:03] <MickMondo> yeah,
[21:04] <MickMondo> got myself a new airflow today..
[21:04] <MickMondo> I wonder if the noise is on the line or RF
[21:05] <cuddykid> Upu: did you use the spark fun RFM22 eagle footprint on your board?
[21:05] <cuddykid> going to use the rfm instead of ntx2 in next pcb
[21:05] <MickMondo> No I draw them myself
[21:07] <Upu> Probably did yes
[21:07] <Upu> yes
[21:07] <Upu> its a Sparkfun one
[21:07] <cuddykid> cheers :)
[21:08] <MickMondo> sorry thought that was aimed at me ..lol
[21:08] <Upu> needs some investigation Mick
[21:08] <MickMondo> yeah..
[21:08] <Upu> it may just be what it is
[21:08] <Upu> maybe pickup in the battery leads
[21:08] <Upu> maybe design
[21:08] <MickMondo> thats true, but for what it can do it must be a good thing
[21:09] <MickMondo> a single cell, coooool
[21:09] <Upu> yep
[21:09] <Upu> I don't think we are anywhere near the limits of what this can do either
[21:09] <MickMondo> I think they suffer with noise, it kinda says that in the data
[21:10] <MickMondo> no true, cool find
[21:10] <Upu> if you want to do RX use a linear regulator
[21:10] <Upu> probably going to be carrying more batteries anyway as if you're RXing you are probably going to cut down...
[21:10] <MickMondo> yesh at the end of the day if your uplinkling with cutdown weight is not an issue
[21:11] <MickMondo> thats a nice board you have there
[21:11] <Upu> I think you have to be very specific as to what you want the board to do
[21:11] <MickMondo> you need to make it much much bigger though lol
[21:11] <Upu> as you end up with all sorts of conflicting design requirements
[21:12] <Upu> that was designed for long duration pico flights really
[21:12] <MickMondo> I know I was just messing
[21:12] <Upu> all good questions thoug
[21:13] <Upu> though
[21:13] <MickMondo> any idea of launch
[21:13] <Upu> end of October
[21:14] <Upu> not sure about the 1.8v module
[21:14] <MickMondo> I need to get building, been so busy and that transmitter done my head in
[21:14] <Upu> 3.3v module will be going up with an Adafruit Ultimate GPS along for the ride
[21:14] <Upu> will still be 25g
[21:14] <MickMondo> whats wrong with that then
[21:14] <MickMondo> 1.8v
[21:15] <Upu> Adafruit module doesn't run at 1.8v
[21:15] <Upu> 1.8v module = 1.8v logic
[21:15] <MickMondo> ah
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[21:16] <Upu> anyway got to be up at 4am for a flight so I'm off
[21:16] <MickMondo> another two hours yet .. arrrrrrrr
[21:17] <MickMondo> anywhere nice
[21:17] <Upu> Crete
[21:17] <Upu> for a week
[21:17] <MickMondo> nice, bring some sun back
[21:17] <Upu> yeah would love too
[21:17] <Upu> I'd settle for it not raining for an hour or two at the moment
[21:17] <MickMondo> have a good time and speak when you get back,,, cool chatting
[21:18] <Upu> sure will do anyway nn all
[21:18] <MickMondo> byeeeee
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[21:23] <Lunar_Lander> have a nice week Upu !
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[21:26] <Lunar_Lander> hi daveake, how are you?
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[21:33] <cuddykid> does "NIRQ" on the rfm need to be connected up? Looks like it is on the badge board but not documented on the wiki's RFM page
[21:34] <cuddykid> I don't recall connecting it up on my pico tracker
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[21:49] <Laurenceb_> its use to signal packet recption and stuff
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[22:31] <m0psi> hi all, got some questions re cameras, are there any souls out there with a little time please?
[22:31] <jonsowman> ask way
[22:31] <jonsowman> *away
[22:31] <m0psi> thanks jonsowman
[22:32] <m0psi> looking at canon, cos i can use chdk
[22:32] <m0psi> however, looking at spec, the cameras seem to be speced at 0-50 deg celcius
[22:33] <m0psi> so, is this just a cadgy company, or are they really that intolerent
[22:34] <m0psi> i can't see how you can insulate the lense bit from the cold, so the camera is going to get cold for sure
[22:34] <Randomskk> they're generally fine
[22:34] <m0psi> (btw, I'm a newbie, looking to get the first flight out)
[22:34] <Randomskk> in fact I can't think of a single case where a canon camera has failed where cold is the suspect
[22:34] <Randomskk> wrong settings or batteries or something maybe, but
[22:34] <Randomskk> they seem fine in HAB temperatures.
[22:34] <m0psi> hmm, so they are conservative estimates on the spec
[22:35] <m0psi> it gets down to -50 or so right?
[22:35] <Randomskk> roughly. maybe.
[22:36] <m0psi> ok, next question, what canon models have performed well?
[22:36] <SpeedEvil> things may differ if you try to them them on when cold
[22:36] <m0psi> or, a different way of asking, which to avoid?
[22:36] <SpeedEvil> but if on from launch, they heat lots
[22:36] <m0psi> ah, good point
[22:37] <m0psi> i was thinking of putting a heated jacket, with minimal current
[22:37] <m0psi> but that would be extra battery weight of course
[22:38] <m0psi> so, canon models to avaoid/go for?
[22:39] <sm1thson> Has anyone tried hand warmers to keep the temps up?
[22:39] <m0psi> i saw some project somewhere where they did put handwarmers in
[22:40] <Randomskk> not really worth it
[22:40] <Randomskk> you don't generally need to
[22:40] <m0psi> the are quite weighty though, and i can't imagine they stay warm for that long
[22:40] <Randomskk> and also a lot of them require oxygen
[22:40] <m0psi> there are ones which you boil, which changes the chemical structure, and they when you trigger them, there is an exothermic reaction
[22:41] <m0psi> they are sealed
[22:41] <Randomskk> yes
[22:41] <Randomskk> they would work
[22:41] <Randomskk> but see point (a) re: not needing it
[22:41] <m0psi> y,
[22:41] <Randomskk> I would keep them for use in your gloves on launch day when it's cold
[22:41] <m0psi> so, it seems that the trick is to trun them on, at launch
[22:42] <BrainDamage> because electronics already heat up stuff by working
[22:42] <daveake> m0psi I prefer the A490 and 495 as they're about the lightest ones that use AA batteries. Both are fine, as is the A480 which is a bit heavier. Others have used the A560 with good results.
[22:42] <BrainDamage> with the exception of the power radiated from the radio module, all energy from the battery goes to heat
[22:42] <BrainDamage> ( ok that one is heat too, but doesn't stay in the box )
[22:43] <m0psi> thanks daveake, i'll take a look on ebay
[22:43] <Randomskk> the heat doesn't all stay in the box either ;P
[22:43] <daveake> 2 places to look re choosing a Canon - first the wiki page gives weights etc - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_PowerShot_A
[22:44] <daveake> Second the chkdk wiki http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ
[22:45] <m0psi> y, i was going to check on chdk site to be sure it has an os
[22:45] <m0psi> also, i was going to make sure the resolution is decent
[22:45] <m0psi> i did not want to send it up, and get lousy photos
[22:45] <daveake> You may need patience on ebay to get a good price
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[22:47] <daveake> I'm not sure resolution is that big a deal. Clouds are fluffy and there's a lot of atmosphere between camera and ground
[22:48] <m0psi> y, i guess, there resolution will not be the limiting factor, but i did not want a 3MP one
[22:48] <daveake> I was about to suggest anything from 5MP up, but that's just a guess
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[22:52] <Lunar_Lander> we have seen a big evolution there
[22:52] <Lunar_Lander> I recently saw that the first digital camera had 0.1 MP
[22:53] <m0psi> :-)
[22:53] <m0psi> they've scaled back the development, when they realised that beyond 14MP, there really is no advantage for the average punter
[22:54] <m0psi> i think you're right, we got to these giddy heights very quick
[22:54] <m0psi> i remember in 1999 having a 3MP was a big deal
[22:55] <m0psi> and memory for that matter. 2GB on a micro SD card is pretty cheap now
[22:55] <Lunar_Lander> actually Wikipedia mentions that Fairchild made a CCD with 0.01 MP that was integrated into a camera in 1976
[22:55] <Randomskk> 32GB on a microSD card is pretty cheap now!
[22:55] <m0psi> whereas a 16Mb usb stick was a biggie not that long ago
[22:55] <Randomskk> we only can't make them smaller because you couldn't fit the connectors on and you'd lose the sodding card all the time
[22:55] <Randomskk> insane
[22:56] <Lunar_Lander> Nokia made a smartphone with a 41 MP camera
[22:56] <Randomskk> plus the data transfer rates are way too low compared to the capacity
[22:56] <Randomskk> insane.
[22:56] <m0psi> y, pretty wild
[22:56] <Lunar_Lander> but Wikipedia says that people don't like it due to oversampling decreasing picture quality
[22:56] <Laurenceb_> theres 64GB micrSD
[22:56] <Lunar_Lander> yeah, SDXC
[22:57] <m0psi> y, exactly, imagine having holiday snaps at 41MP, you'd need a few Tb disks to store the damn wedding photos!
[22:57] <BrainDamage> the size is not a huge deal, it's that you're sampling with so much resolution that you're going way past the lens's resolution on the die size
[22:58] <BrainDamage> almost a factor of 10
[22:58] <Randomskk> meh. oversampling can help reduce noise.
[22:58] <m0psi> ok, so there's a A490 for ?32, is that a reasonable price?
[22:59] <BrainDamage> sure, after lowpassing and resampling to a more sane res
[22:59] <BrainDamage> but do you think people are going to do that?
[22:59] <BrainDamage> moar pixels is bettah
[22:59] <Randomskk> no reason the camera can't do that
[23:00] <BrainDamage> -> users will complain that their pics are not 40MP :p
[23:00] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[23:00] <Randomskk> don't need to advertise the native pixel resolution of the sensor
[23:00] <Randomskk> just the output resolution and the low noise
[23:00] <Lunar_Lander> someone said to me that the old films would correspond to 35 MP digital or so
[23:01] <m0psi> it depends on the ISO etc
[23:01] <BrainDamage> Randomskk: but they did!
[23:01] <m0psi> a fast film is pretty grany
[23:01] <Lunar_Lander> that was when I asked why Titanic HD was possible to make
[23:01] <Lunar_Lander> and he said that the film was scanned with new technology or so
[23:01] <m0psi> i got the impression that ISO 100 is about 14MP
[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> i.e. that you can show "old" movies on HDTV because of the high resolution
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[23:12] <eroomde> yoyo
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[23:14] <Randomskk> "yoyo": The text is neutral.
[23:15] <Randomskk> hey ed, we have a gas oven and things keep burning on the bottom
[23:15] <Randomskk> I hear pizza stones might help regulate heat
[23:15] <eroomde> yoyo sucks aweful terrible catastrophic imbecile wtf
[23:15] <Randomskk> you seem like the type of person to have an opinion on that
[23:15] <eroomde> yes, a pizza stone will help
[23:15] <eroomde> not so much regulate, i don;t think
[23:15] <eroomde> but good for baking
[23:15] <eroomde> let it reach equilibrium for a bit first
[23:16] <Randomskk> other people suggest these cooler baking trays that have a trapped layer of air as insulation
[23:16] <Randomskk> which helps stop the bottoms of things burning
[23:16] <Randomskk> I baked cookies and when the bottoms are just right the tops and middles are a little less done than I'd like (if I let the tops be done the buttons burnt)
[23:16] <eroomde> for about 20 mins or so
[23:16] <Randomskk> we had toad in the hole and the bottom 3mm or so of pastry burnt out
[23:16] <Randomskk> hmm
[23:17] <eroomde> but yeah a baking tray will reflect ir back
[23:17] <Randomskk> it seems like all the heat from the fire in the bottom of the oven is just making cookies hot at the base
[23:17] <Randomskk> wondering if putting a baking tray on the bottom shelf to block ir
[23:17] <Randomskk> well. to insulate a bit. it'd absorb and re-emit
[23:17] <BrainDamage> is it ventilated?
[23:17] <Randomskk> probably also help with redirecting convective air flow
[23:17] <BrainDamage> because it'll block convection
[23:17] <Randomskk> not actually sure. don't think so.
[23:17] <eroomde> that's the aga thing too
[23:18] <eroomde> a 'cold shelf' (baking tray) between the thing and the hot surface helpslower the temp
[23:18] <Randomskk> think I might pick up an oven thermometer from town tomorrow
[23:18] <Randomskk> this 'gas mark' thing is a joke
[23:18] <eroomde> gas ovens are not nice
[23:19] <Randomskk> but gas hobs are lovely.
[23:19] <eroomde> at least the ones i have been exposed to
[23:19] <eroomde> yes
[23:19] <Randomskk> also having an oven after three years of no oven is much nicer.
[23:19] <eroomde> duel fuel was a requirement for myoxford house
[23:19] <Randomskk> at home we have really nice gas hobs and an electric fan oven. which is the way to do it.
[23:19] <Randomskk> still. https://www.dropbox.com/s/02xneetgk3mra2g/2012-10-05%2016.58.10.jpg
[23:19] <Randomskk> not unsuccessful
[23:19] <Randomskk> need to work on my size regularity perhaps
[23:19] <BrainDamage> +1 on gas hobs and electric oven
[23:20] <Randomskk> might hold back some choc chips next time to put right at the top of the cookies so some are clear after baking
[23:20] <Randomskk> used some spare dough to make rasin cookies which were actually really nice, too.
[23:20] <Laurenceb_> hi eroomde
[23:21] <Laurenceb_> feeling ok now?
[23:21] <eroomde> i have always been fine
[23:21] <Laurenceb_> just say no to drugs
[23:22] <BrainDamage> come on, are you saying you never had a case of uppercasis in your life Laurenceb_?
[23:22] <Laurenceb_> :P
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[23:22] <Laurenceb_> well actually im going to bed now
[23:22] <Laurenceb_> cya all
[23:22] <eroomde> you start off by doing smallcaps for the first word in each paragraph in LaTeX
[23:22] <eroomde> and then it spreads
[23:22] <eroomde> pretty soon it's an addicition
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[23:23] <eroomde> hello chris_99
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[23:24] <chris_99> hey eroomde
[23:24] <chris_99> i need to get an oven soon to solder a ublox :)
[23:25] <eroomde> nah u can do that by hand no problem
[23:25] <eroomde> just need a decent tip on a decent iron
[23:25] <chris_99> how? the leads are actually under the chip
[23:25] <chris_99> i mean they don't protude at all
[23:26] <eroomde> there should be a bit of exposed pad
[23:26] <Randomskk> they stick up the sides don't they
[23:26] <eroomde> if you can get the tip of the iron onto that, and add some solder, the solder will be drawn underneath
[23:26] <Randomskk> and like have a cutout
[23:26] <Randomskk> totally fine
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[23:28] <chris_99> hmm i didn't notice exposed pad actually i could be wrong though
[23:29] <eroomde> i think it's there
[23:29] <Randomskk> isn't it like, on the side.
[23:29] <Randomskk> I might be thinking of a different one
[23:30] <eroomde> sure but the pcb footprint has a little exposed iirc
[23:31] <Randomskk> yea
[23:31] <eroomde> http://www.flickr.com/photos/eroomde/6817897206/sizes/k/in/set-72157629174453806/
[23:31] <eroomde> see
[23:31] <eroomde> b4 ovening
[23:32] <chris_99> yeah i just had a look there is a little bit exposed
[23:32] <chris_99> i think i'll go for the ovening approch too though
[23:33] <eroomde> it's good yep
[23:33] <chris_99> i just like the idea of the oven doing the hardwork for me
[23:34] <eroomde> yes it makes lots of sense
[23:34] <eroomde> and is pleasing
[23:34] <eroomde> like muffins or yorkshire puddings
[23:34] <eroomde> the results that come out are like magic compred to what went in
[23:34] <chris_99> yeah heh
[23:35] <DrLuke> is that soldered?
[23:35] <DrLuke> the paste looks so pasty
[23:35] <chris_99> that's before reflow in the oven
[23:35] <Randomskk> eroomde: have you seen the new sarentels?
[23:35] <Randomskk> they are so much happier.
[23:35] <eroomde> show
[23:35] <Randomskk> not got any photos handy
[23:35] <Randomskk> imagine a small PCB sticking out of the middle with three large pads on both sides
[23:36] <Randomskk> and none of the super fragile shit
[23:36] <eroomde> DrLuke: http://www.flickr.com/photos/eroomde/6964024203/sizes/l/in/set-72157629174453806/
[23:36] <Randomskk> I'll take a photo tomorrow maybe. we have some samples.
[23:36] <eroomde> after
[23:36] <DrLuke> love it :)
[23:38] <chris_99> eroomde, what's the connector for, the NTX2?
[23:38] <chris_99> (the gold one)
[23:41] <DrLuke> yeah looks like it
[23:41] <eroomde> yeah sma for angenna
[23:41] <DrLuke> looks like an SMA connector
[23:41] <DrLuke> ah
[23:41] <DrLuke> I've bought an SMA cable today, simply because that's cheaper than buying a male and female sma jack, lol
[23:41] <eroomde> antenna*
[23:41] <DrLuke> and it comes with 3m of handy coax
[23:41] <eroomde> ouch but true
[23:42] <eroomde> so long as the sma's are rusabler
[23:42] <BrainDamage> DrLuke: even from dx?
[23:42] <DrLuke> BrainDamage: ebay
[23:42] <DrLuke> I will solder the groundplane antenna directly onto one connector
[23:42] <DrLuke> and solder the other end with a bit of cable to the ntx2
[23:42] <chris_99> night peeps
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[23:42] <DrLuke> night
[23:43] <BrainDamage> http://dx.com/p/sma-legged-diy-connector-plug-5-pack-5160?item=16
[23:43] <DrLuke> it was like 1.5 pounds including shipping
[23:43] <BrainDamage> http://dx.com/p/sma-1-5-diy-connector-plug-5-pack-5132?item=27
[23:43] <BrainDamage> if you prefer wth a wire: http://dx.com/p/sma-connection-cable-with-female-plug-4-pack-5173?item=28
[23:43] <DrLuke> oh
[23:43] <DrLuke> damn
[23:43] <DrLuke> :P
[23:43] <DrLuke> the legged one looks nice for the antenna
[23:44] <DrLuke> I can solder each wire to one leg
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[23:44] <BrainDamage> I actually bought like 5 stocks of each since they were so cheap
[23:44] <BrainDamage> and now using sma for everything
[23:45] <BrainDamage> evan audio :p
[23:45] <DrLuke> haha
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[23:45] <BrainDamage> http://dx.com/p/sma-rounded-diy-connector-plug-5-pack-5146?item=17 this might interest you as well
[23:46] <DrLuke> is that like a M-M adapter?
[23:47] <BrainDamage> yup
[23:49] <eroomde> useful
[23:50] <DrLuke> gonna buy a 5-pack of the legges ones
[23:50] <DrLuke> then I'll use them to make the antenna, and easily connect it to the coax
[23:51] <DrLuke> my plans, THEY ARE PERFECT
[23:52] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[23:52] <eroomde> my photos, they are ruined!
[23:52] <eroomde> SOMEONE WILL PAY FOR THIS!
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