highaltitude.log.20120926

[00:01] <griffonbot> Received email: Ali al-Azzawi "[UKHAS] Re: Conference 2012"
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[00:10] <stilldavid> hiya Lunar_Lander_
[00:10] <Lunar_Lander_> how are you today?
[00:11] <stilldavid> just trying to get a payload together for Sunday
[00:11] <stilldavid> but very well :)
[00:12] <Lunar_Lander_> yeah
[00:12] <Lunar_Lander_> what does it consist of?
[00:14] <stilldavid> two radios, camera, not much else
[00:14] <stilldavid> it's a small balloon (800g)
[00:15] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[00:15] <Lunar_Lander_> my programming is hopefully almost done
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[02:42] <DrLuke> I just stumbled upon this article: http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/message-in-a-bottle-travels-from-england-to-australia/story-e6frfq80-1226481476711#ixzz27X3ducab
[02:42] <DrLuke> And I thought of something cool: why not put a gps receiver in a bottle?
[02:43] <DrLuke> you could use some clever way of harvesting energy from the motion of the bottle
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[03:42] <SpeedEvil> harvesting energy is nontrivial
[03:47] <SpeedEvil> men
[03:47] <SpeedEvil> meh
[03:47] <SpeedEvil> power cuts are annoying
[03:48] <SpeedEvil> hmm, back on
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[06:25] <griffonbot> Received email: Philip Crump "[UKHAS] Re: Launch Announcement CRAAG1 Pico (24th/25th September)"
[06:27] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Launch Announcement CRAAG1 Pico (24th/25th September)"
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[07:02] <MrScienceMan> hey daveake
[07:02] <MrScienceMan> http://www.wired.com/opinion/2012/09/raspberry-pi-insider-exclusive-sellout-to-sell-out/
[07:04] <UpuWork> you got linked on Wired :)
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[07:06] <MrScienceMan> he did :)
[07:10] <MrScienceMan> UpuWork: has anyone launch durring the night?
[07:12] <UpuWork> yes
[07:13] <UpuWork> I think some of the CUSF lot launched at 3am to catch dawn possibly
[07:13] <jonsowman> yeah
[07:13] <jonsowman> more than once
[07:13] <MrScienceMan> any pictures of that?
[07:14] <jonsowman> MrScienceMan: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuspaceflight/sets/72157621752577188/
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[07:15] <jonsowman> I was also involved in the Apex dawn launch
[07:15] <jonsowman> http://gallery.apexhab.org/index.php/Apex-II/Launch-2/Flight-Photos/Horizontal-Camera
[07:16] <MrScienceMan> hmm
[07:16] <MrScienceMan> those exloseres are too slow
[07:17] <jonsowman> some are
[07:17] <jonsowman> i mean, this is pretty nice
[07:17] <jonsowman> http://gallery.apexhab.org/index.php/Apex-II/Launch-2/Flight-Photos/Horizontal-Camera/05-24-50---IMG_0847
[07:17] <UpuWork> yep :)
[07:17] <MrScienceMan> wonder if I can time it so that the sunset happens just before the balloon reaches the maximum altitude
[07:17] <UpuWork> sure you can
[07:18] <UpuWork> you need to take into account sun rise at altitude is earlier than at ground level
[07:18] <MrScienceMan> sunset
[07:18] <UpuWork> later then
[07:18] <MrScienceMan> idd
[07:19] <number10> that means locating the balloon in dark though MrScienceMan
[07:19] <number10> payload
[07:19] <MrScienceMan> nothing like a little adventure
[07:19] <UpuWork> flashing beacon on it
[07:19] <MrScienceMan> yes, that would be a nice addition for night chasing
[07:20] <MrScienceMan> im thinking of launching near the city
[07:20] <number10> riminds me of that time years ago I tried it and we landed rendlesham forest ;)
[07:20] <MrScienceMan> so I can get some nice pictures of the lights
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[07:35] <fsphil> there is a picture from a night launch that had this really cool spiral pictures of the ground as it descented
[07:35] <fsphil> descended*
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[07:53] <eroomde> moooooooooooooooorning
[07:56] <jonsowman> morning ed
[07:59] <eroomde> i had a 5am lemsip as i was awoken by some random reason, unable to swallow, that i presume was actually precursured by my almost suffocating in my sleep from man flu blocked-up-ness
[08:00] <eroomde> but actually i feel a great deal better now
[08:00] <fsphil> good news
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[08:03] <fsphil> I just hope I escaped it
[08:04] <eroomde> you would probably be feeling it by now
[08:05] <eroomde> it's been about 4 days
[08:06] <fsphil> yea
[08:06] <fsphil> it really must have been that picture :)
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[08:43] <nosebleedkt> m00rning !
[08:44] <SamSilver> g00dday
[08:46] <fsphil> divide by zero error
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[09:47] <eroomde> hello Upu
[09:47] <eroomde> XD
[09:47] <UpuWork> grumble
[09:51] <daveake> morning
[09:52] <eroomde> hello daveake
[09:52] <eroomde> XD
[09:52] <SamSilver> UpuWork: maybe this will cheer you up > http://imgur.com/a/onCzs#7
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[09:52] <UpuWork> lol
[09:52] <UpuWork> thats a one up
[09:53] <daveake> hello eroomde how are you today?
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[09:53] <SamSilver> I made two others slightly different but seem to have lost the pics
[09:54] <daveake> Have you paid Upu the royalty for using that colour?
[09:54] <SamSilver> daveake: i was thinking about the colour copyright issues
[09:55] <eroomde> daveake: i noticed something or so
[09:55] <eroomde> there are clouds outside
[09:56] <daveake> eroomde Someone told me that but I did not know whether it was true
[09:56] <UpuWork> should I be reading this in a german accent ?
[09:57] Nick change: SamSilver -> SamSilver_
[09:57] <SamSilver_> afk
[09:57] <eroomde> daveake: and i noticed something else
[09:57] <eroomde> when water falls from the clouds i get wet
[09:58] <eroomde> nd so i changed one thing
[09:58] <eroomde> i cooked some bacon
[09:58] <eroomde> and then i was not wet
[09:58] <eroomde> but that was the only thing i changed
[09:58] <eroomde> ...
[09:58] Last message repeated 2 time(s).
[09:58] <eroomde> it is a mystery
[09:58] <eroomde> ...
[09:58] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[09:58] <eroomde> well, i did cook the bacon inside
[09:58] <eroomde> xD
[09:59] <eroomde> have you seen that show where the man says to the bus driver 'you have not paid your faire!' or so?
[09:59] <eroomde> xD
[09:59] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[09:59] <eroomde> it is very funny
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[10:00] <UpuWork> lol
[10:00] <number10> XD
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[10:01] <UpuWork> I'm impressed you can do so much random
[10:02] <eroomde> i have MAN 'FLU
[10:02] <eroomde> it's the lemsip
[10:04] <fsphil> that stuff is both yucky and yum at the same time
[10:07] <eroomde> yes
[10:07] <eroomde> it is helping
[10:08] <UpuWork> I should get some really
[10:08] <eroomde> we all should
[10:10] <fsphil> I might, may as well prepare for the inevitible
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[10:17] <natrium> eroomde is tipsy
[10:17] <daveake> I reckon he took Night Nurse not Lemsip
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[10:25] <gonzo_> I prefer the gonzo hot toddy
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[10:27] <gonzo_> hhoney, milk, whiskey. You pour a good measure of whiskey. Take the milk and honey, and put them back in the fridge.Then drink the whiskey
[10:29] <eroomde> hot today
[10:29] <eroomde> ropey as hell tomorrow
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[12:19] <costyn> ping UpuWork
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[12:42] <kokey> doesn't flu have a 3-4 day incubation period?
[12:42] <MrScienceMan> something like 3 days
[12:42] <MrScienceMan> to get the full set of simptomps
[12:42] <kokey> oh, 1-4 days, typical 2 days
[12:43] <UpuWork> pong costyn
[12:43] <kokey> just wondering if eroomde's lergy got him this past saturday
[12:44] <daveake> Is "going yellow" one of the simptomps?
[12:45] <fsphil> boom
[12:45] <daveake> Blimey. Ordered some stuff from Proto-Pic, and this morning received an email saying the delivery would be 1:44pm - 2:44pm
[12:45] <daveake> 1:44pm <RING>
[12:45] <fsphil> wow
[12:45] <daveake> Well <KNOCK> actually
[12:46] <UpuWork> http://imgur.com/a/tdiPt#0
[12:46] <UpuWork> new rotator controller built
[12:46] <daveake> I recognize that LCD :)
[12:47] <UpuWork> indeed
[12:47] <fsphil> superb!
[12:47] <UpuWork> see put it to use :)
[12:47] <fsphil> what's the blue board?
[12:47] <daveake> Unlike the ones in my drawer here
[12:47] <UpuWork> Arduino Duewibblywobblunovo
[12:47] <fsphil> ah, upside down
[12:48] <UpuWork> I was going to make a custom one but then though meh just easier to slap an Arduino on there
[12:48] <fsphil> shame the controller just didn't have an avr on it :)
[12:49] <daveake> ProtoPic do those plastic shipping boxes in quite large sizes
[12:49] <fsphil> I'd love to know where they get them
[12:49] <fsphil> that box I had everything in on saturday was from protopic
[12:49] <UpuWork> they are just business card boxes
[12:50] <daveake> This one's 220 x 155 x 57mm ... that's a large business card
[12:51] <UpuWork> oh ok bigger than the ones I had
[12:51] <daveake> Ordered an xbee kit to have aplay for a poss project
[12:51] <daveake> Plus the OLDE and a smallthin/light speaker
[12:51] <daveake> OLED
[12:52] <fsphil> you need it to play "to infinity..." when it's above 30km
[12:52] <daveake> feck me that OLED is small
[12:52] <daveake> exactly :D
[12:52] <daveake> Or just the Close Encounters tune
[12:53] <fsphil> "Hello, anyone there?"
[12:53] <fsphil> "It's cold up here..."
[12:53] <fsphil> "I wonder what that big round thing is called..."
[12:53] <costyn> UpuWork: huh... wonder why my irssi didn't light up your reply
[12:53] <costyn> UpuWork: I was wondering if you'd received my GPS yet
[12:56] <costyn> UpuWork: I had a package tracking number but can't find the receipt atm
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[13:01] <UpuWork> Not recieved yet
[13:02] <costyn> UpuWork: ok thx, will look for the receipt at home
[13:02] <UpuWork> When did you post it ?
[13:02] <costyn> UpuWork: last thursday I think
[13:03] <costyn> 20th
[13:03] <UpuWork> oh give it a while yet
[13:03] <UpuWork> packet rate is slow
[13:03] <costyn> ok
[13:03] <UpuWork> remind me what I'm doing with it again ?
[13:03] <UpuWork> is it faulty ?
[13:04] <costyn> UpuWork: well yes, it doesn't get a fix
[13:04] <costyn> UpuWork: you said you'd take a look at the antenna pads
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[13:06] <UpuWork> ah yes
[13:07] <costyn> unfortunately you'll have to do some trickery with a heat gun seeing as there's some hotglue in the way
[13:11] <UpuWork> I'll sort it
[13:11] <costyn> thanks
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[14:32] <griffonbot> Received email: MikeB "[UKHAS] Re: Moving On"
[14:42] <SamSilver_> UpuWork: here are pictures of the other two slightly different antennas that might be have copyright issues > http://imgur.com/a/5Ai0Q#5
[14:42] <UpuWork> they look great
[14:42] <MrScienceMan> yeah...
[14:42] <eroomde> a more elegent antenna for a more civilised age
[14:43] <SamSilver_> that is 70cm will take pics tonight of the 2m yagi
[14:43] <UpuWork> lol
[14:44] <DrLuke> thanks upu!
[14:44] <UpuWork> that ok DrLuke ?
[14:44] <DrLuke> I will forward it to my boss
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[14:46] <UpuWork> no probs
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[15:12] <cuddykid> target date set for the crazy jump from 100K feet - 8th Oct apparently
[15:15] <DrLuke> crazy jump?
[15:15] <DrLuke> do you mean that red bull thing?
[15:15] <costyn> Felix Baumgartner's skydive from 100K feet
[15:15] <costyn> yes
[15:15] <DrLuke> ah
[15:16] <fsphil> where did they get 50k people?
[15:16] <costyn> funny enough he still won't get longest freefall time; that's currently held by a guy who did it in a wingsuit from like 25Kft
[15:16] <costyn> fsphil: eh?
[15:17] <daveake> "freefall"....
[15:17] <daveake> Doesn't seem too free to me
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[15:17] <cuddykid> lol
[15:17] <costyn> :) well, anything not under a parachute is defined as freefall
[15:17] <daveake> hmm ok :)
[15:19] <costyn> ah it was 37,000ft
[15:19] <DrLuke> I wonder how freefall is defined
[15:19] <costyn> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/9341396/Wingsuit-jumper-Jhonathan-Florez-breaks-four-Guinness-world-records-in-one-leap.html
[15:19] <DrLuke> I mean, all the astronauts in space technically also are falling
[15:19] <eroomde> yes. they win i guess
[15:20] <daveake> I can think if someone who I'd like to see falll from 100,000 feet, without chute or safety net
[15:20] <costyn> hahaha
[15:21] <DrLuke> I heard cats can survive an impact at their terminal velocity
[15:22] <staylo> For 'heard' substitute 'exhaustively tested whether'
[15:23] <DrLuke> I couldn't drop a cat over a height of even a meter even if my life depended on it :3
[15:23] <eroomde> because you have no arms?
[15:24] <DrLuke> haha
[15:24] <DrLuke> yeah
[15:24] <DrLuke> I am using an eye-interface to enter text
[15:24] <costyn> DrLuke = UKHAS' double amputee HABber
[15:25] <DrLuke> I usually solder things but picking up the iron with my mouth
[15:25] <eroomde> you can do text entry quite efficiently with eyes
[15:26] <DrLuke> that's why my eye-muscles are the size of your thumb
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[15:28] <costyn> haha
[15:29] <eroomde> 13:24 < eroomde> "Josh talks about how he purposely fell into the safety net and then cut through it allowing him to experience freely the full force of global leading industries."
[15:29] <eroomde> 13:24 < eroomde> WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK?
[15:29] <eroomde> whoops wrong paste buffer
[15:29] <eroomde> i was trying to use dasher to write
[15:30] <eroomde> by moving my mouse up and down
[15:30] <SpeedEvil> dasher sucks
[15:30] <UpuWork> lol
[15:30] <UpuWork> its worth repeating eroomde
[15:30] <eroomde> This may attempt to write a sentence with dasher
[15:30] <SpeedEvil> it's another of the vkbd fails
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[15:30] <eroomde> vkbd?
[15:30] <SpeedEvil> it relies on staring at the fucking thing for it to work properly
[15:31] <eroomde> yes
[15:31] <eroomde> it does
[15:31] <SpeedEvil> I learned to touch type age 12 or so.
[15:31] <eroomde> but why is that a problem?
[15:31] <SpeedEvil> because you fail at multitasking if you can't read when typing
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[15:32] <eroomde> think it's designed for people with little choice
[15:32] <eroomde> who only have one degree of freedom to control things around them
[15:32] <SpeedEvil> for that, dasher s excellent
[15:33] <eroomde> that's what it's for
[15:33] <eroomde> well, and as a demo of arithmetic coding
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[15:36] <eroomde> the annual return of bfirsh
[15:36] <Laurenceb> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/346390315/boys-will-be-boys-0
[15:37] <SpeedEvil> I, for one prefer my hermaphrodites with more of the Aphrodite bit.
[15:38] <DrLuke> still a better love story than twilight
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[17:23] <bfirsh> hello!
[17:23] <bfirsh> huh, thought I was idling
[17:23] <bfirsh> maybe irccloud broke again
[17:24] <jonsowman> hello bfirsh
[17:24] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> hi
[17:24] <bfirsh> sad I couldn't make it to the last conference
[17:24] <bfirsh> next time.
[17:24] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> ditto, I didnt make t eather
[17:25] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> did the presentations get recorded do you know? I see the 2011 presentations, but not 2012 yet
[17:25] <DrLuke> apparently yes
[17:26] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> DrLuke - cool, looking fwd to them being online
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[18:13] <eroomde> G7PMO_Kev_Hotel: ping UpuWork
[18:14] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> eroomde? :)
[18:19] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> Guys, does a valve like this meet our needs : http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISuperSize&item=320985242876 ?
[18:20] <eroomde> ping him about vids
[18:21] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> ahhh, ta eroomde
[18:21] <eroomde> he recorded them onto his laptop iirc
[18:24] <eroomde> 'balloon gas' is often not pure helium
[18:24] <eroomde> or rather, substantially not pure
[18:24] <eroomde> like 80/20 or 60/40 with air
[18:24] <eroomde> so worth checking that
[18:24] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> ahhh, ok, will check, ta,
[18:24] <eroomde> also ebay seems like a wierd way of doing rental
[18:25] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> was attracted by the lack of rental fees....
[18:25] <eroomde> yeah
[18:25] <eroomde> but they're only 10L
[18:25] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> http://balloonhelium.co.uk your spending £9 a week on cylinder hire after 28 days
[18:26] <eroomde> well actually 10L is 4m&3 which is fine for a normalish flight
[18:26] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> but 10l = 2000lt = 2M sq?
[18:26] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> 2M cubed even
[18:26] <eroomde> er yes
[18:26] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> I was looking at 500g balloons
[18:26] <eroomde> not sure where a factor of 2 crept into my metal maffs
[18:27] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> 500g balloon with a payload weight around 250 / 300g
[18:28] <eroomde> check their return policy - i.e is the cost of a couriered return included
[18:28] <eroomde> yeah that'd be enough He
[18:28] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> I go past then once in a while so I can pick up/return
[18:30] <eroomde> ah ok
[18:30] <eroomde> might be worth a punt then
[18:30] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> sent a Q about % helium...
[18:33] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> if it is 99% helium then the price for the gas is the same as balloonhelium.co.uk, but with a one of £17 for the cylinder and valve (assuming you return them undamdaged at some point) rather than £40 quid a month once past the first month
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[18:36] <G0DJA> When I click on that ebay link all I get is a blank screen with a spinning icon in the middle
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[18:38] <Elmar_PD3EM> Good Evening
[18:39] <Elmar_PD3EM> have you seen Obama on a HAB?
[18:39] <Elmar_PD3EM> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_TW9sK7Bsw&hd=1
[18:39] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> G0DJA - so do I now, weird, just take the item id and search for it on ebay....
[18:40] <fsphil> habama
[18:40] <Elmar_PD3EM> ;-)
[18:41] <eroomde> G0DJA: same
[18:42] <eroomde> copies the item number from the url and manually entered it
[18:42] <eroomde> oh we already said that
[18:43] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> :)
[18:43] <G0DJA> Got there by putting just the number bit into ebay search
[18:51] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> Guys, I cant find any regulators that are not designed for party ballons or mylar balloons?
[18:52] <griffonbot> @daveake: #UKHAS 2012 Conference Badge with an upgrade ... http://t.co/EwX1eWw5 [http://twitter.com/daveake/status/251031577604268032]
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[18:53] <Gadget-Mac> daveake: Very nice :)
[18:54] <daveake> More to come :-). That's just the Adafruit demo with a slight tweak
[18:54] <daveake> Tiny little display. Very clear though
[18:54] <fsphil> is it bright?
[18:54] <daveake> yes
[18:55] <daveake> The display module runs from 3.3 - 5V, and has a regulated 3.3V o/p which is what the conf board is running from
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[18:56] <daveake> I also need to see if my little camcorder will focus close enough to read the display
[18:56] <daveake> If so they will be flying soon :)
[18:56] <Darkside> haha
[18:57] <daveake> I'll be asking for messages to display :D
[18:58] <daveake> Right need to go cook something
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[19:07] <Darkside> so.
[19:07] <Darkside> whats up all
[19:08] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> hey Darkside
[19:08] <Darkside> sup
[19:08] <DrLuke> Sky's up
[19:08] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> I'm trying to work out what helium valves people use, I can only find party ballon or mylar balloon fillers?
[19:09] <Darkside> there are helium regulators available
[19:09] <Darkside> and we usually use our own fillers after that
[19:10] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> fillers - understand, ie hose pipe and drain pipe type afairs?
[19:10] <Darkside> yeah
[19:10] Action: G7PMO_Kev_Hotel searches for helium regulators
[19:11] <DrLuke> speaking of which, do all balloon necks have the same diameter?
[19:11] <Darkside> no
[19:11] <Darkside> very much no :P
[19:11] <DrLuke> should've specified: hwoyee balloons
[19:12] <Darkside> again, no
[19:12] <griffonbot> Received email: Chris Atherton "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Moving On"
[19:12] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> Mmm, helium regulators still brings up ballon type regs with the bend to release gas type valve?
[19:13] <Darkside> not what you want
[19:13] <Darkside> ill see if i can get a pic of the type we use
[19:15] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/2MKx6.jpg
[19:15] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> ok, ta, what are the two readings for?
[19:15] <Darkside> erm
[19:16] <Darkside> flow and bottle pressure i think
[19:18] <Darkside> so from that, we have a bit of hose, which ends in a standard gardena type hose fitting
[19:18] <Darkside> like, for garden hoses
[19:18] <Darkside> on our filler, we have the corresponding plug, and then a valve
[19:18] <Darkside> the filler fits in the balloon neck
[19:18] <Darkside> when we think we have enough gas, we turn off the gas at the bottle, close the valve on the balloon neck, and then measure the neck lift
[19:18] <Darkside> since we know the weight of the filler, we can get the actual neck lift
[19:19] <Darkside> the gardena fitting is good, as if you close the filler valve with the gas bottle still on, it just pops out
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[19:19] <Darkside> nothing bursts
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[19:20] <Darkside> fffu
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[19:20] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> Love hotel internet....
[19:21] <Darkside> heh
[19:21] <Darkside> how much di you miss
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[19:21] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> got the pic
[19:21] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> think that was all
[19:21] <Darkside> http://pastebin.com/XX8KVJBf
[19:22] <Darkside> ok im gonna go for a walk and get a drink and stuff
[19:22] <Darkside> i may not be back on until i get to australia, so if so, cy aall
[19:22] <Darkside> GOODBYE UK
[19:23] <number10> cu ds
[19:23] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> cool, ta
[19:23] <Elmar_PD3EM> Have a good safe trip back home!
[19:23] <DrLuke> cya have fun
[19:23] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> have a safe journey
[19:24] <eroomde> see you next year ds
[19:24] <daveake> bb
[19:25] <eroomde> get some english ale to take with
[19:25] <fsphil> and a packet of penguins
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[19:31] <Laurenceb_> cya Darkside
[19:32] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: @daveake Yours has an up-grade, mine has an up-link! #ukhas [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/251041544163975168]
[19:34] <eroomde> burned
[19:37] <daveake> competitive bugger :p
[19:45] <griffonbot> Received email: Jonititan "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Moving On"
[19:48] <fsphil> hah
[19:49] <Darkside> omg
[19:49] <fsphil> wot
[19:49] <Darkside> samwell tarly is onbthe same flight as me
[19:49] <fsphil> you got internet on there?
[19:49] <Darkside> or aomeone that looks just like him
[19:49] <Darkside> boarding lounge
[19:50] <fsphil> not many people look like him
[19:50] <Darkside> lol
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[19:57] <Laurenceb_> "p.s. no need to reply to this email
[19:57] <Laurenceb_> "
[19:57] <Laurenceb_> so much for that idea...
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[19:58] <Lunar_Lander_> hello
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[20:07] <Lunar_Lander_> do I get it right from reading the eurus code that it sent out the lat and long as it got it from the GPS, i.e. without adding the decimal dot?
[20:20] <number10> I dont think you should worry about that Lunar_Lander_ just write your own code - it will be fine
[20:21] <number10> we have faith in your abilities
[20:21] <Lunar_Lander_> yeah
[20:22] <Lunar_Lander_> I will get those raw values converted
[20:22] <Lunar_Lander_> somehow
[20:22] <Lunar_Lander_> :)
[20:22] <Lunar_Lander_> that is the final thing
[20:22] <Lunar_Lander_> :)
[20:22] <fsphil> just take it step at a time
[20:22] <number10> XD
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[20:28] <griffonbot> Received email: Russ Garrett "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Moving On"
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[20:52] <Laurenceb_> http://www.arcaspace.com/en/
[20:52] <Laurenceb_> cant believe those guys are still on the go
[20:53] <chris_99> that looks like the engine has been woven
[20:53] <Laurenceb_> they seem to have started working on sane projects now
[20:54] <BrainDamage> worse, looks like it's 3d printed from one of those shitty open source plastic extruders
[20:54] <chris_99> heh
[20:54] <Laurenceb_> its actually a really good way to make an engine
[20:54] <chris_99> how was it made?
[20:55] <Laurenceb_> much more sane than the pendulum rocket
[20:55] <Laurenceb_> wound onto mandrel
[20:55] <chris_99> aha
[20:59] <chris_99> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j19na8LMBnE&feature=endscreen&NR=1
[20:59] <chris_99> that's how audi do it apparently
[20:59] <chris_99> *lexu
[20:59] <chris_99> *lexus
[21:00] <eroomde> nice
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[21:02] <chris_99> it's quite hypnotic actually
[21:04] <Lunar_Lander_> hi Dan-K2VOL1
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[21:09] <Laurenceb_> its almost like someone injected arca with sanity or something
[21:11] <chris_99> why, what did they do before?
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[21:12] <Laurenceb_> build pendulum rockets and fibre glass mock ups
[21:14] <chris_99> hadn't heard of 'pendulum rockets' you mean something to do with this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pendulum_rocket_fallacy ?
[21:15] Action: SpeedEvil looks at his pendulum fallacy.
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[21:19] <Laurenceb_> yes
[21:20] <Laurenceb_> i was thinking of exactly the same technique for solid fuelled rockoons
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander_> SpeedEvil, you mean the idea of that 60 ton rocket to be lauched as a rockoon?
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[21:21] <SpeedEvil> no.
[21:21] <SpeedEvil> I was making a knob gag.
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander_> ah
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander_> but what do you think about that rocket consisting of spherical stages?
[21:21] <Laurenceb_> ...
[21:21] <SpeedEvil> not seen it
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[21:22] <SpeedEvil> in principle, if you go big enough, drag becomes unimportant
[21:22] <Lunar_Lander_> it's their entry to the Google Lunar X-Prize
[21:22] <SpeedEvil> or go low enough pressure
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[21:23] <SpeedEvil> if launching from a balloon at 30km, shape is to a first order unimportant for a 60 ton rocket
[21:23] <Lunar_Lander_> yeah
[21:23] <eroomde> low prssure is interesting
[21:23] <Lunar_Lander_> but I see the other things
[21:23] <Lunar_Lander_> lifting 60 tons to 30 km
[21:23] <SpeedEvil> (based on memories of the scaling rules, not calculations)
[21:23] <Lunar_Lander_> and guidance is important
[21:24] <SpeedEvil> 60 tons to 30km may be easier using a rocket :)
[21:24] <SpeedEvil> it's 'only' 80s peaking at Mach
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[21:26] <SpeedEvil> but it's a mentally huge balloon
[21:27] <Lunar_Lander_> yeah
[21:28] <SpeedEvil> I mean, the rocket isn't trivial. but if you don't try to go supersonic, and only need 1km/s delta-v, and are willing to stage slowly, ...
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[21:32] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
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[21:35] <Lunar_Lander_> hello jcoxon
[21:35] <Laurenceb_> grrr so many ideas
[21:35] <Laurenceb_> yeah even an estes rocket can go very high from 30+ Km
[21:35] <Lunar_Lander_> yeah
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander_> jcoxon, may I ask a short question?
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[21:40] <Laurenceb_> http://www.arcaspace.com/images/sus_2.jpg
[21:40] Action: Laurenceb_ facepalm
[21:41] <SpeedEvil> oops
[21:42] <Laurenceb_> supposedly they sabotaged it
[21:42] <Laurenceb_> to avoid looking even more insane
[21:43] <Laurenceb_> presumably the nurse did a round of the mental ward with some meds
[21:43] <Laurenceb_> as they came up with this next http://www.arcaspace.com/images/ARCA_Executor_details_3_en.jpg
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[21:44] <Lunar_Lander_> cool
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[21:50] <Laurenceb_> ok ill take that back
[21:50] <Laurenceb_> http://www.arcaspace.com/en/haas_2C_en.htm
[21:51] <Laurenceb_> http://www.arcaspace.com/en/iar_111.htm
[21:51] <Laurenceb_> hahaha wtf
[21:53] <Laurenceb_> those guys are smoking some crazy stuff
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander_> ah they seem to have gone back from the rockoon to the moon idea
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander_> this was their rockoon idea http://www.arcaspace.com/en/haas.htm
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander_> ah they say that they abandoned it as they don't use balloons anymore
[22:05] <Lunar_Lander_> Laurenceb_, at least they did some interesting balloon work
[22:06] <staylo> We got our artists to get their sharpest crayons and do a tracing of the coolest prototype fighter they could find. And Northrop will have done loads of aerodynamics tests on that design, so it's bound to do at least mach 4!
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[22:07] <Lunar_Lander_> XD
[22:09] <griffonbot> @AnthonyStirk: RT @daveake: #UKHAS 2012 Conference Badge with an upgrade ... http://t.co/EwX1eWw5 [http://twitter.com/AnthonyStirk/status/251081069472907266]
[22:12] <fsphil> Badge 2.0
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[22:17] <Lunar_Lander_> xD
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[22:34] <DrLuke> that badge is lovely
[22:34] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[22:35] <fsphil> a lot of smart went into it
[22:36] <Lunar_Lander_> jcoxon, can I ask my question now?
[22:37] <Laurenceb_> where is the oled from?
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[23:32] <Nickolai> hello all
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