highaltitude.log.20120925

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[01:38] <Guest61871> @gracerodriguez: BEST. BADGE. EVER.>@hmason: So cool, #ukhas conference badge also a high altitude flight controller: http://t.co/VeYHGv8r via @jgrahamc [http://twitter.com/gracerodriguez/status/250408800782278656]
[01:45] <Guest61871> @SWHouston: RT @gracerodriguez: BEST. BADGE. EVER.>@hmason: So cool, #ukhas conference badge also a high altitude flight controller: http://t.co/ ... [http://twitter.com/SWHouston/status/250410641372889089]
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[01:46] <Guest61871> @RobertDaleSmith: RT @gracerodriguez: BEST. BADGE. EVER.>@hmason: So cool, #ukhas conference badge also a high altitude flight controller: http://t.co/ ... [http://twitter.com/RobertDaleSmith/status/250410928288448512]
[01:50] <DrLuke> huh
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[06:11] <nosebleedkt> yoz
[06:11] <nosebleedkt> ;P
[06:11] <x-f> sup
[06:12] <nosebleedkt> fsphil_, I cancelled 2 TV shows and I radio :p
[06:13] <x-f> ah, the though life of a celebrity.. :)
[06:13] <nosebleedkt> :P
[06:13] <nosebleedkt> not celeb plz
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[06:18] <nosebleedkt> :P
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[08:12] Action: craag is leaving for launch. Looking to be about 10:30.
[08:14] <WillDuckworth> ooo - is it on today?
[08:16] <number10> oops forgot to bring radio in sorry craag
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[08:36] <Upu> launching today ?
[08:36] <Upu> crap
[08:36] <WillDuckworth> nothing like a bit of notice
[08:36] <Upu> thought it was tommorrow
[08:36] <Upu> oh poop
[08:38] <fsphil_> who's launching?
[08:38] <fsphil_> ooh I've got an _
[08:38] <fsphil_> trendy
[08:39] <Upu> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[08:39] Nick change: fsphil_ -> fsphil
[08:39] <Upu> I have no antenna connected sorry
[08:39] <fsphil> nor here
[08:39] <fsphil> not that I'm in a useful position to track anyway
[08:39] <fsphil> ah, pico. there was no hope anyway :)
[08:40] <mfa298> craag is trying to launch his pico whilst trying to miss the showers
[08:41] <fsphil> hope it's not as windy there
[08:41] <mfa298> he's currenty on route to the launch site.
[08:41] <MrScienceMan> you should make the change car rotate so it points in the dirrection of travel :)
[08:41] <MrScienceMan> chase*
[08:41] <fsphil> it can change from left to right
[08:42] <number10> aha.. I found funcube dongle in my bag
[08:42] <Darkside> hehe
[08:42] <Darkside> i always keep mine with me
[08:43] <MrScienceMan> i must have tropped it there on the conf
[08:43] <MrScienceMan> :)
[08:43] <fsphil> is it suppose to be there number10 ? :)
[08:48] <number10> fsphil: I never know where I put things so dont know.. I have only used it once and have forgotten :(
[08:49] <number10> ... let me think _ have HDSDR on this PC but I think I need to run some funcube software - If only I could remember what that was called
[08:51] <fsphil> qthid
[08:51] <fsphil> although hdsdr should do all the controls now
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[09:16] Action: craag is on site. Setting up receivers.
[09:20] <number10> that seems to work fsphil ... helps if you press start on HSDR :D
[09:22] <mfa298> we have a balloon, but it looks like craag had to walk half way there.
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[09:24] <craag> Hmm chase car app appears to have lost signal..
[09:25] <Graham_PAG3VZV> do we have a frequency for craag-1?
[09:26] <mfa298> I believe it's supposed to be 434.2 but not heard if that's what it really is from craag yet.
[09:27] <craag> It's about 434.190
[09:28] <craag> (Broken vfo on the 790, don't know for sure) will find out though.
[09:28] <Graham_PAG3VZV> thanks - gud luck with the launch
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[09:35] <mfa298> craag: looks like rain has just started to the south so I'm guessing that's headed your way.
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[09:43] <Guest61871> Received email: MikeB "[UKHAS] Re: Moving On"
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[09:53] <craag> Changing batteries..
[09:54] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> receiver station ready here in holland, together with Graham_G3VZV
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[09:57] <craag> Waiting for gps lock
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[09:58] <craag> Stand down...
[09:58] <craag> wind took the balloon
[09:58] <craag> without the payload...
[09:59] Action: craag facepalms hard
[09:59] <number10> oh - shame
[10:00] <SamSilver> on the tracker it still shows them as joind
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[10:01] <SamSilver> ahhh thas a bugger craag
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[10:05] <craag> Found a local balloon shop
[10:05] <craag> Going to find another balloon..
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[10:15] <fsphil> craag: you're not the first to do that :)
[10:21] <costyn> craag: geez... sorry to hear that :( :(
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[10:25] <drlizau> g'day guys
[10:25] <drlizau> i've been on my first balloon chase today
[10:26] <fsphil> those are usually fun
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[10:30] <gonzo_> is this a pico floght?
[10:31] <drlizau> no, VK2URB-13
[10:33] <gonzo_> drlizau, sorry, was refering the the craag1 flight (on chat before you joined)
[10:33] <drlizau> ok
[10:34] <gonzo_> you had fun chasing yours though?
[10:34] <gonzo_> APRS by the look of the callsign?
[10:34] <mfa298> gonzo_: it's supposed to be a pico flight. But the baloon left without the payload., but I think he's looking for a replacemet
[10:35] <gonzo_> Foil pico?
[10:36] <mfa298> I think so but don't quote me on that.
[10:36] <gonzo_> good luck to them, hold on tighter next time!
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[10:40] <daveake> wossup with craag1? Delayed?
[10:40] <Upu> balloon ripped in wind
[10:40] <daveake> oops
[10:40] <Upu> Belgium ?
[10:41] <daveake> I have a spare but that's not much use right now!
[10:41] <daveake> yup
[10:41] <daveake> Had to replace a 55p protection diode :)
[10:41] <daveake> It lost its magic smoke
[10:42] <daveake> Brought radio etc with me - was hoping to help track on my way home
[10:42] <Upu> lol
[10:43] <daveake> Any typos I will blame on this azert keyboard :)
[10:48] <gonzo_> what you killed dave?
[10:49] <Hix> Belgium for a diode? good work if you can get it
[10:50] <gonzo_> or was it 'Belgiums' he said when he killed it?
[10:51] <daveake> Belgiums
[10:51] <daveake> Well ... a 24V PSU in a control cabinet died.
[10:52] <daveake> Not sure if that went first and took the over-voltaage protection diode, or vice versa
[10:52] <daveake> Either way, when they replaced the PSU the diode let out all its magic smoke
[10:53] <gonzo_> pft, swutting diodes!
[10:53] <daveake> Anyhoo all working now
[10:53] <daveake> I was up at 2:45 to get here early
[10:53] <daveake> So I'm a leel bit tired
[10:54] <Darkside> heh
[10:54] <Darkside> i bet
[10:54] <daveake> All done so back to the chunnel shortly
[10:55] <gonzo_> a jujuflop of a situation
[10:55] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/Bgi0Y.jpg
[10:55] <Darkside> woo
[10:56] <Darkside> check out my awesome transmitt
[10:56] <Darkside> 40m transmitter
[10:57] <fsphil> love it
[10:57] <gonzo_> what are the blocks?
[10:57] <daveake> I'm off see y'all in 5 hours or so
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[10:57] <Darkside> gonzo_: what blocks
[10:57] <gonzo_> see you on the other side!
[10:57] <gonzo_> the black blocks. Relays?
[10:57] <Darkside> yeah
[10:57] <Darkside> one for power, 2 for filter switching
[10:57] <gonzo_> rr
[10:58] <Darkside> though it isn't working on 80m for some reason
[10:58] <Darkside> i think the input biasing is screwed
[10:59] <gonzo_> probably because you are not old and smell of wee
[10:59] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/slWoJ.jpg
[10:59] <Darkside> and theres the transmitter and receiver in place
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[11:04] <fsphil> I was checking 2m/70cm while I was in london, heard nothing until the night before I left when I found a nice discussion on medical problems on 70cm :)
[11:05] <craag> Thanks to all who were ready to track, the largest balloon we could get only gives 20g of lift, so I'll have to get some more 36" ones and come back next week.
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[11:15] <Morseman> I know Amateur Radio can get a bit competitive, but my new Wouxun KG-UV920R has some extreme sounding options! http://www.flickr.com/photos/62825935@N00/8022873998/in/photostream
[11:17] <DrLuke> wooo, I just bought this big honking antenna: http://i49.tinypic.com/300bg5s.png
[11:17] <Randomskk> hehe
[11:18] <DrLuke> and accidentally I've even been on topic, lol
[11:18] <DrLuke> my antenna will be bigger than yours!
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[11:25] <Morseman> I've a Wimo in the garage that I must get onto the rotator
[11:36] <fsphil> yea, but I've got two antennas DrLuke :p
[11:36] <DrLuke> I've also bought 2 :3
[11:37] <fsphil> drat
[11:39] <fsphil> I need to go to Upu-scale now
[11:40] <kokey> I need a house
[11:41] <kokey> has anyone received masat-1?
[11:41] <kokey> it's been drawing my curiosity, especially for the images it sends
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[11:42] <fsphil> how is it sending them?
[11:43] <DrLuke> via radio
[11:43] <DrLuke> :)
[11:48] <fsphil> the images don't look too different from those by a c328, although much better colour
[11:52] <kokey> gfsk
[11:53] <kokey> on 48x.xxx mhz
[11:53] <fsphil> actually their field of view matches the C328-6016IR almost exactly
[11:53] <fsphil> and the IR filter would help the colour
[11:53] <fsphil> I bet that's what it is
[11:53] <kokey> nice quality then from a c328
[11:54] <kokey> I'm having a look at arduino PTP libs, wondering if I could pull images off a canon camera
[11:54] <kokey> I've heard some people can do it on some models only
[11:55] <fsphil> that would be very useful
[11:55] <fsphil> if it can be done on an avr anyway
[11:55] <fsphil> Tim had images being grabbed of a canon using gphoto
[11:55] <kokey> seems like many of the functions are in the ptp library for arduino, except image transfer
[11:56] <kokey> ptp supports transfers of only jpgs, but that's fine I guess
[11:57] <fsphil> tis
[11:59] <kokey> those cheap usb webcams, do they just blast a big image back over usb?
[11:59] <fsphil> usually raw or jpeg
[11:59] <fsphil> some of the fancier ones use h.264
[11:59] <fsphil> but there's usually ways to control it
[12:00] <kokey> so it doesn't store it so you can fetch data a bit at a time?
[12:00] <fsphil> I suspect not
[12:00] <fsphil> but don't really know
[12:00] <kokey> oh well, I'll have a play with it, but I'm sure others would have tried to make better cameras work already
[12:01] <kokey> the PTP stuff seems the most promising really because then you can have a pretty decent camera connected
[12:01] <fsphil> yea the canons can be got quite cheap now
[12:01] <fsphil> and vastly outperform the c328's or linksprites
[12:02] <fsphil> but in my case, if sending images at 320x240 the quality isn't a huge factor :)
[12:03] <kokey> yeah though canons are good at adapting to brightness, and the bigger lenses and ccds are good with low light too
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[12:05] <kokey> that said, the masat-1 pics are fairly good
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[12:11] <kokey> I wonder how bad the OV7670 camera modules are
[12:11] <kokey> because they are _cheap_
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[12:17] <fsphil> that would be worth a try
[12:18] <fsphil> if it's anything like the camera in my old nokia, it's awful
[12:22] <fsphil> my old c328 uses a OV7640/8 module
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[12:37] <eroomde_> star-camera worthy camera...
[12:37] Nick change: eroomde_ -> eroomde
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[12:39] <x-f> Hybrid rocket engine with acrylic and gaseous oxygen - http://youtu.be/TLPWqCMb7DE
[12:41] <Laurenceb> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/usb-cable-assemblies/0411188/
[12:41] <Laurenceb> ^does that look like usb mini b on the end?
[12:42] <russss> yes
[12:42] <Laurenceb> looks too squre to me
[12:42] <Laurenceb> i was wondering if its an odd proprietory one
[12:43] <russss> might just be the angle of the photo
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[12:57] <eroomde> x-f: is that you?
[12:57] <Futurity> Test message - please ignore
[12:58] <eroomde> Futurity: no i refuse
[12:58] <Futurity> lol
[12:58] <eroomde> and will engage you in conversation
[12:58] <eroomde> hello
[12:59] <fsphil> hah
[12:59] <Futurity> Well Hi, Sorry I didn't get to say hi at the conference (unless I did say Hi and forgot I did)
[12:59] <eroomde> said hi briefly but didn;t get the chance to catch up properly
[12:59] <eroomde> maybe in cambridge sometime
[13:00] <Futurity> Yep
[13:00] <Futurity> I need to pop down to the server room, but when I'm back I was wondering if anyone here has played with the EZCAP USB Dongle?
[13:00] <Futurity> looking to get one
[13:00] <Futurity> For tracking I mean
[13:01] <eroomde> lots of peepers have
[13:01] <eroomde> x-f: ping
[13:02] <x-f> eroomde, hi, no, it's not me
[13:02] <eroomde> ah well
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[13:04] <Dan-K2VOL> Upu: You around today?
[13:06] <eroomde> was about to give you everything i know about rocket nozzle geometry and design so you could make a proper nozzle for that think rather than that horrible tube which is more of an exhaust than a nozzle
[13:06] <Dan-K2VOL> Afternoon Ed
[13:07] <eroomde> hello Dan
[13:07] <Dan-K2VOL> Gtg
[13:07] <Dan-K2VOL> Underground
[13:07] <fsphil> that's a great video x-f
[13:08] <x-f> eroomde, yeah, i know :) but you're welcome to contact the original author
[13:09] <eroomde> i might. wouldn;t take much
[13:09] <eroomde> though if it's metal it might melt away at the throat
[13:09] <eroomde> anyway nvm, soldering to solder
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[13:25] <Upu> hi Dan-K2VOL
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[13:30] <eroomde> i swear my iphone announces i have signal until i try and do something with it
[13:31] <eroomde> then it mysteriously drops to zero bars, then 'searching'
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[13:36] <DrLuke> I love it when 1 hour of time goes to waste because I measured the wrong pad
[13:39] <mattbrejza> Upu: there are some images floating on imgur of the payload
[13:39] <Futurity> Hi Upu
[13:40] <Upu> hey Neil
[13:40] <Upu> you touched it eroomde
[13:40] <fsphil> touched it wrong
[13:41] <eroomde> Upu: mine is the generation before that
[13:41] <eroomde> it's olde
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[13:44] <mattbrejza> http://imgur.com/a/SWyR6
[13:44] <mattbrejza> Upu: bit late ^
[13:44] <Upu> nah thats cool thanks
[13:45] <mattbrejza> i need to put them somewhere easier to find
[13:45] <mattbrejza> i had to search the channel log for that
[13:45] <Upu> didn't think of that
[13:45] <fsphil> aah remember that now
[13:46] <Upu> http://imgur.com/a/hfMzq
[13:46] <mattbrejza> very nice :)
[13:47] <DrLuke> awesome
[13:48] <fsphil> any smaller and we won't be able to find these things even with a gps position
[13:48] <mattbrejza> yea i was worried about that
[13:48] <eroomde> what's the mass?
[13:49] <mattbrejza> mine is 3g ish
[13:49] <mattbrejza> scales not accurate enough
[13:49] <mattbrejza> +case+battery oc
[13:50] <DrLuke> I think green is a bit of a bad choice for the color
[13:50] <DrLuke> should be neon red or something
[13:51] <Upu> not sure
[13:51] <Upu> 35g all in probably
[13:51] <Upu> not a huge amount
[13:51] <fsphil> red or orange is a good colour
[13:51] <Upu> 36g once I've painted it pink tonight
[13:51] <fsphil> as I was saying, red or orange :)
[13:51] <DrLuke> yep :)
[13:52] <fsphil> or both, which is about 15% cooler
[13:52] <SpeedEvil> radium paint.
[13:52] <SpeedEvil> you know it makes sense.
[13:53] <SpeedEvil> additional lift due to radioisotopic heating too,
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[13:56] <eroomde> win win
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[14:03] <number10> nice tracker mattbrejza
[14:03] <number10> ohh - what have I been missing - Upu that looks good - launching soon?
[14:04] <mattbrejza> thanks
[14:04] <Upu> Sunday I think
[14:05] <number10> from the bacon buttie location?
[14:05] <fsphil> xD
[14:07] <fsphil> had a really nice burger saturday evening with bacon and cheese
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[15:06] <Laurenceb> http://diydrones.com/profiles/blogs/releasing-navstik-a-micro-navigation-and-control-module
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[15:08] <Randomskk> hah teeny.
[15:08] <Randomskk> lol stm23f4
[15:08] <Laurenceb> yeah
[15:09] <Laurenceb> im interested in their pitot sensor
[15:09] <Laurenceb> but aiui honeywell how has better sensors
[15:09] <Laurenceb> im using an older honeywell sensor and it is rather too driftly
[15:09] <Laurenceb> http://navstik.org/documentation/1.0/20/sensor-details/
[15:09] <Laurenceb> also mpu6050 accel sucks
[15:09] <Darkside> https://store.diydrones.com/3DR_Radio_433Mhz_Ground_module_p/br-3dr433.htm at some point i want to get a few of these and have a play
[15:10] <Darkside> its the SoC version of the RFM22B
[15:10] <Darkside> but with a bootloader
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[15:11] <Laurenceb> yeah silabs stuff
[15:11] <Laurenceb> 8051 i think
[15:11] <Darkside> you could quite possibly make a tracker by just sticking a gps onto the back of one of those boards
[15:11] <Darkside> yep
[15:12] <Laurenceb> bbl
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[15:36] <DrLuke> woohoo! succesfully soldered my first MLF parts!
[15:36] <DrLuke> I read the atmega device ID succesfully, too :D
[15:43] <Laurenceb> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/25/musk_spacex_grasshopper_vtvl_initial_test/
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[15:51] <DrLuke> http://filesmelt.com/dl/39683.jpg
[15:51] <DrLuke> haha
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[15:57] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: saw that - awesome
[16:00] <eroomde> pcbpool send you pictures of your order at several stages during fabrication. it is fun
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[16:07] <BrainDamage> does it include pics of the "1 ton acid spill" step?
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[16:11] <eroomde> BrainDamage: sadly not
[16:12] <BrainDamage> also, if anyone has ieee access here, you might want to reset your password: http://ieeelog.com/
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[16:34] <gonzo_> hmmm, and should we renew our online banking credentials there too?
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[17:00] <prog`> hello
[17:01] <BrainDamage> gonzo_: if you bothered to click the link, you'd have noticed it's not a ieee clone site, it merely talks about the login issue
[17:26] <DrLuke> hi prog
[17:27] <gonzo_> Thought you's been sent it as phishing
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[17:37] <Dan-K2VOL> evening
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[17:39] <fsphil> hihi
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[18:09] <Darkside> woot, checked in for my flight tomorrow
[18:09] <DrLuke> cool!
[18:10] <Darkside> window seats both flights
[18:11] <fsphil> always nice to get home again!
[18:12] <Darkside> mm
[18:14] <LazyLeopard> which way're you going?
[18:14] <Darkside> london -> KL -> Adelaide
[18:14] <LazyLeopard> Right. ;)
[18:15] <LazyLeopard> Not done the KL route myself yet...
[18:17] <LazyLeopard> Did once go London->Singapore->Perth->Bangkok->Abu Dhabi->London... and was lucky not to have KL thrown in for good measure, though.
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[18:43] <Lunar_Lander_> hello
[18:49] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> Hi Lunar
[18:50] <Lunar_Lander_> how's life?
[18:50] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> Not bad ta, given up on work for the day and back to the HAB project :)
[18:51] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> I have a vero board built as a arduino shield
[18:51] <Lunar_Lander_> cool!
[18:51] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> and after a few issues seem to be tx'ing strings....
[18:51] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> $$BOB,243,18:49:35,51.5088,-0.7323,101,6,381*E9D3
[18:51] <Lunar_Lander_> yeah
[18:51] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> hows you?
[18:52] <Lunar_Lander_> I'm OK, have to revise mathematics for the upcoming exam
[18:54] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> oooh, maths exam, sounds like hard work :(
[18:55] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> Maths and Physics were my hardest subjects at College, not really sure why I chose them both as A levels!
[18:55] <Upu> evening Lunar, telemetry looks good G7PMO_Kev_Hotel
[18:56] <Upu> whats the 381 ?
[18:56] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> is the "time" string in the sentance used by anything? And does the format matter? The examles seems to be one set of numbers?
[18:56] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> mV's
[18:56] <Upu> 381mV ?
[18:56] <Upu> time is good for the logs
[18:57] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> err, actually, good point, mv is 10-3 isnt it :)
[18:58] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> it is a new SI unit for volts that doesnt require me to split a number and put a decimal point in :)
[18:58] <Upu> you can correct with filters on the payload document
[19:01] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> Good to know, or I can just do s.vinmv = s.vin / 0.155 and print the extra char?
[19:01] <Upu> yeah
[19:01] <Upu> you can just return the full mv like 4500 ?
[19:02] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> s.vin and s.vinmv are Ints, but the non-integer constant 1.55 or 0.155 seem to work ok in the code?
[19:02] <Lunar_Lander_> hi Upu
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[19:02] <Lunar_Lander_> hi Upu
[19:02] <Lunar_Lander_> sorry
[19:02] <Lunar_Lander_> Elmar_PD3EM, hello
[19:02] <Lunar_Lander_> that I meant
[19:03] <Elmar_PD3EM> good evening all!
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[19:16] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> Hey guys, mv fixed, but another question, when I dont have a fix I still take any data I can from the GPS in case it is useful - but it means I get random data gradually improving as it finds sats....
[19:16] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> $$BOB,23,19:14:24,33.7311,-15.3441,6555,0,3806*5F4B
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[19:24] <griffonbot> @PD3EM: Why didn't @AnthonyStirk said he came on his #pink bike to the #UKHAS Conference in #London? http://t.co/choNnrZM [http://twitter.com/PD3EM/status/250677172354834433]
[19:25] <MrScienceMan> w'at
[19:25] <Upu> haha
[19:25] <fsphil> well well
[19:25] <Elmar_PD3EM> yep... saw it on my way to Bridge station ;-)
[19:25] <Upu> busted
[19:25] <Elmar_PD3EM> LOL ;-)
[19:26] <Darkside> haha
[19:26] <fsphil> very...er, pink
[19:27] <Lunar_Lander_> can you still read me?
[19:27] <fsphil> like a book
[19:27] <Lunar_Lander_> thanks
[19:28] <fsphil> I did notice the utter lack of bins in train stations in london
[19:29] <fsphil> and on the streets in general
[19:29] <fsphil> thought that was a bit odd
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[19:32] <SamSilver_> nn
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[19:35] <Laurenceb_> fsphil: "anti terrorism" thing
[19:35] <Laurenceb_> very annyoing
[19:35] <eroomde> oh sarah jane
[19:35] <eroomde> she's off home
[19:35] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> When I dont have a fix I still take any data I can from the GPS in case it is useful - but it means I get random data gradually improving as it finds sats, is that a problem?
[19:35] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> like: $$BOB,23,19:14:24,33.7311,-15.3441,6555,0,3806*5F4B
[19:36] <Laurenceb_> who?
[19:37] <fsphil> that's a bit extreme
[19:37] <prog`> anyone here uses a Mirics tuner?
[19:38] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> fsphil - no bins extreme, or my gps cords extreme?
[19:38] <Darkside> prog`: no
[19:38] <eroomde> G7PMO_Kev_Hotel: what gps is that out of interest?
[19:38] <Darkside> though it looks like the new funcube dongle will be using one
[19:38] <fsphil> G7PMO_Kev_Hotel: no bins
[19:38] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> eroomde - ublox max 6
[19:38] <fsphil> won't someone please think of the litter
[19:39] <eroomde> v random output
[19:39] <Darkside> oh jeez, if you google for "mirics funcube dongle" you get the highaltitude logs on teh first page
[19:39] <Darkside> and my prediction that the funcube dongle pro-plus would use the mirics tuner
[19:39] <fsphil> lol
[19:40] <Darkside> which i'm more and more certain is correct
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[20:00] <MickMondo> Hi all,
[20:00] <MickMondo> I did send an email out asking, didnt get a reply so I thought I'd try on here..
[20:00] <MickMondo> I think I understand the principle but I must be missing something as it doesnt work.. can someone just list the 'registers' I need to configure to get even a noise out of it. I've looked through James Coxon's code and it looks like not a lot is going on .. this is what I have so far .
[20:00] <MickMondo> HSPIOUT (0x72,0x0A ) ' FREQUENCY DEVIATION - SET TO 5kHZ ish
[20:00] <MickMondo> HSPIOUT (0x71,0x00 ) ' MODULATION MODE - 2 
[20:00] <MickMondo> HSPIOUT (0x70,0x2E ) ' MODULATION MODE - 1 -
[20:00] <MickMondo> HSPIOUT (0x0B,0x12 ) ' GPIO'S SET
[20:00] <MickMondo> HSPIOUT (0x0C,0x15 ) ' GPIO'S SET
[20:00] <MickMondo> HSPIOUT (0x75,0x53 ) ' FREQUENCY SET 434.200mhz -
[20:00] <MickMondo> HSPIOUT (0x76,0x69 ) ' FREQUENCY SET 434.200mhz -
[20:00] <MickMondo> HSPIOUT (0x77,0x00 ) ' FREQUENCY SET 434.200mhz -
[20:00] <MickMondo> HSPIOUT (0x6D,0x04 ) 'TRANSMITTER POWER
[20:00] <MickMondo> HSPIOUT (0x07,0x08 ) 'transmit on -
[20:00] <MickMondo> HSPIOUT (0x07,0x01 ) 'transmit off -
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[20:01] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> Hey Mick, Can't help, sorry, never used that radio, but I hear the Q :)
[20:01] <MickMondo> Cheers
[20:01] <Lunar_Lander_> hi MickMondo
[20:01] <Lunar_Lander_> you used the balloon from India?
[20:02] <MickMondo> Hi ya, yes
[20:02] <Lunar_Lander_> how was its performance?
[20:02] <Lunar_Lander_> in your opinion
[20:02] <MickMondo> 2000 gram
[20:03] <MickMondo> Mmmm, I was speaking to the guy from PAWAN today,,
[20:03] <Lunar_Lander_> and where did you buy it?
[20:03] <MickMondo> Yes, I guess it performed really well,
[20:05] <MickMondo> Not the same as the Hyowee for altitude but more predictable, I did file it quite a bit so I reackon a bit less gas and it would get over 40,000
[20:05] <Upu> evening Mick
[20:05] <MickMondo> soory that should be Fill
[20:05] <MickMondo> god my spelling sorry ha ha
[20:05] <Upu> its ok
[20:05] <eroomde> filing makes the altitude more predicatble too though
[20:05] <eroomde> usually around 0m agl
[20:05] <fsphil> it's ok, you're among good company :)
[20:06] <Upu> yeah good typing and accurate spelling aren't a trademark of this channel
[20:06] <MickMondo> thats good then
[20:06] <eroomde> i dunt know wat yor talkign abowt
[20:06] <Upu> hey stop taking the mick out of my accent
[20:06] <eroomde> i never have ever
[20:06] <eroomde> ever
[20:06] <eroomde> not ever once
[20:07] <Upu> still struggling with the RFM22B Mick ?
[20:07] <MickMondo> Oh, got the Balloon from India, his a really nice bloke to deal with, great service
[20:07] <MickMondo> God yes
[20:08] <MickMondo> I'm ready to hang myself...lol
[20:08] <Upu> I thought all the examples on Hope's site were done for Pic ?
[20:08] <MickMondo> Yeah but nothing what we do though
[20:09] <Upu> can you not convert the AVR libraries ?
[20:10] <MickMondo> Looking a james code it looks quite simple, just an unmodulated frequency witch is shifted up and down
[20:10] <Upu> yep
[20:10] <Lunar_Lander_> MickMondo, where did you buy it?
[20:10] <eroomde> i'm watching 'gordon ramsay's ultimate cookery course'
[20:10] <Lunar_Lander_> ah
[20:10] <Lunar_Lander_> any contact info?
[20:10] <MickMondo> From India, direct from PAWAN
[20:10] <Lunar_Lander_> ah
[20:11] <eroomde> compared to his F-Word videos with the rock music bakground and dubbed over barked commands like POACH and SEASON, it's like he's stoned
[20:11] <MickMondo> sorry did message you back
[20:11] <eroomde> he is just talking at a normal pace
[20:11] <eroomde> but it seems so sloooooow
[20:11] <Darkside> MickMondo: my only suggestion is to go through james's code
[20:11] <Darkside> and do exactly what he does
[20:12] <Darkside> his code is the bare essentials for setting it up
[20:12] <MickMondo> Yeah tried that,
[20:12] <MickMondo> Just a noise out of it would be enough
[20:12] <Upu> habe you tried another RFM22B ?
[20:12] <Upu> have
[20:12] <Darkside> bite the bullet and use an arduino?
[20:12] <Darkside> :P
[20:13] <Upu> in fairness they are a bit shit sometimes
[20:13] <MickMondo> yeah and another picaxe
[20:13] <Upu> yeah ok use an Arduino :)
[20:13] <Lunar_Lander_> MickMondo, ah they have paypal?
[20:13] <Upu> or ask Steve for his code :)
[20:14] <MickMondo> Mmm, dont think Steve would do that..
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[20:14] <Upu> no neither do I
[20:14] <Darkside> Upu: steves code is PIC
[20:14] <Darkside> and C
[20:14] <Darkside> not BASIC
[20:14] <Upu> What are you writing in Mick ?
[20:14] <MickMondo> Lunar, yeah he has paypal but doesnt like using it due to the charges
[20:15] <Upu> I thought it was PIC ?
[20:15] <MickMondo> basic because Im think lol
[20:15] <Upu> I'm think too which is why I use Arduino
[20:15] <MickMondo> all my code is basic
[20:15] <eroomde> i find it easier to get myself in a pickle with basic than c
[20:16] <eroomde> c enforces a little structure on my thinking and code structure and program flow
[20:16] <eroomde> which my thinking often needs
[20:16] <MickMondo> Im Ok with basic, just not everything works as it should like the Ublox, that was a pain in the Ar## too
[20:16] <Lunar_Lander_> ah
[20:17] <MickMondo> Contact him and ask, say Michael Cain said to contact you.. ( thats me by the way not the actor )
[20:18] <Lunar_Lander_> ok :)
[20:18] <eroomde> i bet that gets old
[20:19] <Darkside> MickMondo: i'd consider getting an arduino wiring up the RFM to it (via level conversion) and check it works
[20:19] <MickMondo> I was hoping someone would just list all the Registers I need to config but looks like Im out of luck, I'll keep trying and see
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[20:19] <G7PMO_Kev_Hotel> Love hotel internet....
[20:19] <Darkside> just as a sanity check..
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[20:19] <MickMondo> I have tried two Rfm22's
[20:20] <MickMondo> I wa sgoing to try another Picaxe, say a 20x2 and see if its a problem with the set up of the 28x2
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[20:40] <MickMondo> I'm at work ... boring boring boring
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[20:41] <anerDev> Hi everybody
[20:41] <MickMondo> Hello
[20:41] <anerDev> i need an information !!
[20:41] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk
[20:41] <MickMondo> as long as its nothing to do with a RFM22
[20:41] <Upu> lots of information there
[20:41] <anerDev> what's the best predict software ? this http://habhub.org/predict/ ? work in italy ?
[20:42] <Darkside> anerDev: it will work anywhere, so long as there is wind data available
[20:42] <MickMondo> yes it works in Italy, I checked
[20:42] <DrLuke> even on the moon?
[20:42] <MickMondo> Im off to Italy soon
[20:43] <anerDev> thank you ? But, from what database this app give the information ?
[20:44] <MickMondo> My other half is Italian .. hence Bello Mondo ( Beautiful World ) ish ..
[20:45] <MickMondo> ..?
[20:46] <anerDev> what ?? O.o
[20:46] <DrLuke> I like Pizza
[20:46] <MickMondo> anerDev .. database ...?
[20:46] <anerDev> yes
[20:47] <MickMondo> not sure what you mean ..
[20:47] <natrium> how is information formed?
[20:47] <Upu> its from NOAA
[20:47] <Upu> http://www.noaa.gov/
[20:47] <eroomde> that's a deeply philosophical question
[20:47] <DrLuke> natrium: haha
[20:47] <Upu> updated every 6 hours
[20:48] <natrium> :7
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[20:49] <MickMondo> arrr keep getting cut off
[20:50] <MickMondo> got an internet connection a bit like dial up here
[20:50] <Upu> need more fibre
[20:50] <Laurenceb_> natrium: I dont know
[20:50] <Laurenceb_> but i can tell you how babbby formed
[20:50] <MickMondo> we use carrier pigeon down here
[20:51] <Laurenceb_> carrier pigeon released via balloon?
[20:51] <eroomde> from 30km
[20:51] <MickMondo> ha ha,
[20:51] <eroomde> i suspect it would home in on the spot immediately below the balloon
[20:52] <Laurenceb_> pigeon protection canister
[20:52] <Laurenceb_> that opens at a safe altitude
[20:53] <Upu> MickMondo http://www.m0dts.co.uk/micro.htm
[20:54] <MickMondo> whats that ..?
[20:54] <Darkside> eek
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[20:54] <Upu> Its Rob using a PIC + RFM22B programmed in basic It hink
[20:55] <Darkside> er
[20:55] <Darkside> thats not a rfm22b
[20:55] <Upu> Transmitter:
[20:55] <Upu> QFM-TX by Quasar, ~6dBm o/p power, 434.150MHz, most basic transmiter available, have to modify to get small shift for RTTY.
[20:55] <Upu> Tx now replaced with RFM22.
[20:56] <Darkside> oh
[20:56] <Darkside> the code doesn't reflect that
[20:56] <Upu> I know
[20:56] <Upu> drop him a line Mick
[20:56] <Upu> just rob@ his domain name
[20:57] <Upu> hes doing DSN stuff with that dish now
[20:58] <DrLuke> MickMondo: connect a capacitor to your ethernet cable, that way when the internet goes slow, it won't have such a big impact
[20:58] <MickMondo> Ah, cheers for that, yes had a quick look, his not usind spi but you dont have to... I'll have a proper look through later, charts for that
[20:58] <MickMondo> cheers that should be
[20:58] <anerDev> thank u man ...
[20:58] <anerDev> another question
[20:59] <anerDev> what's the range of this tx http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&filter_name=ntx2&product_id=62 ? it need an ext antenna ?
[20:59] <Upu> yes it does
[20:59] <Upu> and on the ground about 500 meters line of sight
[21:00] <Upu> in the air we've had 750km+ out of it
[21:00] <anerDev> wooooowww
[21:00] <Upu> try a 1/4 wave : http://ava.upuaut.net/files/2010-09-03%2019-26-16_0003.jpg
[21:00] <DrLuke> upu: what crazy ass antenna did you use for that?
[21:00] <anerDev> loool
[21:00] <Upu> Watson Colinear
[21:00] <Upu> the middle one
[21:00] <anerDev> for calculate the antenna
[21:01] <Upu> nothing special
[21:01] <anerDev> the formula is lamda = C/f
[21:01] <anerDev> ???
[21:01] <Upu> look I made a 1/4 wave this evening
[21:01] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/2012-09-25-13.58.46.jpg
[21:01] <Upu> 164mm
[21:01] <Upu> http://imgur.com/a/hfMzq check that out
[21:01] <DrLuke> that wire doesn't look very straight
[21:02] <MickMondo> That code is for the QFM-TX by Quasar
[21:02] <Upu> the radials are in the straws
[21:02] <DrLuke> oh, I didn't see the straw in the background
[21:02] <anerDev> ok here we go ...
[21:02] <MickMondo> but looks like he has built one with RFM22, I'll mail him
[21:02] <DrLuke> and I totally dig that ball shape
[21:03] <anerDev> Lamda = 300.000 m/s : 434,075 MHz
[21:03] <anerDev> the result is
[21:03] <anerDev> (just moment)
[21:03] <Upu> 164mm...
[21:04] <DrLuke> just google c/434075000
[21:04] <anerDev> 0.690646681 m
[21:04] <Upu> its a 1/4 wave
[21:04] <DrLuke> wait that didn't work out
[21:04] <Upu> so /4
[21:04] <BrainDamage> anerDev: your c is a bit small
[21:04] <anerDev> but u use lamda/4 ?
[21:04] <anerDev> or /2 ?
[21:05] <BrainDamage> c 3*10^8 m/s in SI
[21:05] <anerDev> yes
[21:05] <MickMondo> Ah nice Upu, you have an antenna anylizer then ..?
[21:05] <Upu> no
[21:05] <MickMondo> sorry thats spelt wrong
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[21:05] <BrainDamage> you wrote 300000 :p
[21:05] <Upu> but we checked one at the radio club and it was 1:1.5 or something
[21:06] <MickMondo> your the first person I've seen bend the earth plane up
[21:06] <Upu> these aren't perfect as you are meant to bend the radials back
[21:06] <Upu> oh thats not the radial
[21:06] <MickMondo> my new design is 1.02 swr
[21:06] <Upu> radial sticks down in a straw, thats the feed for the board
[21:07] <MickMondo> Mmm, not the radials then ..?
[21:07] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/O99hX.jpg
[21:07] <Upu> straws have radials
[21:07] <Upu> coax sticking out at the bottom is to feed from the board
[21:07] <Upu> (its upside down)
[21:08] <MickMondo> have you bent the radials away from the antenna ..? up
[21:08] <DrLuke> I wish they made NTX2s with sma connectors
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[21:08] <Upu> no they are at 90'c
[21:08] <Upu> 90'c
[21:08] <Upu> err
[21:08] <Upu> 90'
[21:08] <DrLuke> uhm
[21:08] <Upu> they work fine
[21:08] <DrLuke> quite got
[21:08] <DrLuke> hot *
[21:08] <MickMondo> ha ha, yeah got what you ment
[21:08] <anerDev> ok men
[21:09] <DrLuke> actually I've read about how you're supposed to bend them until you get a 50 ohm impedance
[21:09] <Upu> I do try bend them but there isn't much wire in there
[21:09] <anerDev> in the SI this is the mesure
[21:09] <MrScienceMan> i found just the thing for habbing
[21:09] <MrScienceMan> http://i.imgur.com/eGVCI.jpg
[21:09] <DrLuke> wow
[21:09] <Upu> sssh don't give Oliver ideas
[21:09] <DrLuke> revolutionary
[21:10] <anerDev> Lamba = C/F = (3*10^8 m/s) / (434,075*10^6) = 0,691124 m
[21:10] <anerDev> is correct ?
[21:10] <anerDev> and the result for /2 /4
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[21:10] <Upu> to be totally honest Mick I've never really bothered with much analysis on the antennas as they seem to work , my first two launches only had 2 radials which worked fine
[21:10] <anerDev> for /2 is 345,562 mm and for /4 is 172,78 mm
[21:10] <Upu> however Darkside laid some science down on my ass and now I run 4 radials to ensure optimum radiation pattern
[21:11] <DrLuke> lol
[21:11] <DrLuke> wikipedia says you need a minimum of 3
[21:11] <mattbrejza> its also not exactly 1/4 btw
[21:11] <DrLuke> or else you don't get much of a groundplane
[21:11] <MickMondo> I've got an analyzer now and you'd be amazed how far out these antennas are, thats why I asked you at the conference about tracking one of my payloads and dumping it in the north sea,
[21:12] <Upu> well Icarus only had 2 radials
[21:12] <DrLuke> well, with 2 radials you'll have more of a ground-line
[21:12] <DrLuke> it's some geometric thing
[21:12] <MickMondo> Yeah probably better with two that four
[21:12] <Upu> One day I'm going to design the container to hold the antennas at optimum angle and do it properly
[21:12] <MickMondo> than
[21:13] <anerDev> good night men
[21:13] <fsphil> I've always used flat radials, at 90 degrees. seems to work :)
[21:13] <Upu> night anerDev
[21:13] <anerDev> we meet tomoeeow
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[21:13] <MickMondo> Good night, I've got a few more hours before I go home.. nice
[21:13] <fsphil> I hate working late
[21:14] <DrLuke> I hate working
[21:14] <Upu> yeah sod that
[21:14] <MickMondo> I hate working
[21:14] <Lunar_Lander_> good night MickMondo
[21:14] <fsphil> I don't mind working
[21:14] <Upu> However I do have to walk the dog in the rain
[21:14] <MickMondo> really
[21:14] <DrLuke> well
[21:14] <Upu> I'll probably have to drag him out of the door
[21:14] <Lunar_Lander_> ohhhh
[21:14] <Upu> bbs
[21:14] <DrLuke> it depends on the work
[21:14] <Lunar_Lander_> xD
[21:14] <fsphil> my dog has learned not to expect a walk if it's raining :)
[21:14] <DrLuke> nice
[21:14] <eroomde> my working hours are a bit eratic
[21:15] <DrLuke> well upu... : http://picture.yatego.com/images/484413f11c3291.2/big_3324_0-kqh/regenschirm-muetze---witzige-kopfbedeckung.jpg
[21:15] <eroomde> some days leave at 11, today left at 4
[21:15] <eroomde> though that was because MAN FLU
[21:15] <MickMondo> lol perfect
[21:15] Action: fsphil disinfects his computer
[21:15] <MickMondo> I wont get in till 12.30 ish
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander_> BUS!
[21:15] <DrLuke> but you're working on a fricking cool thing eroomde ;)
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander_> xD
[21:15] <eroomde> it just occured to me that 'man flu' could form the basis of a unix joke
[21:16] <DrLuke> I wouldn't mind working overtime if I worked on skylon
[21:16] <DrLuke> haha
[21:16] <DrLuke> use: flu target[,targets]
[21:16] <eroomde> it's difficut to think properly if you spend too long working.
[21:17] <DrLuke> true
[21:17] <fsphil> indeed
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander_> I just learned an awesome english word
[21:18] <DrLuke> does it relate to busses in any way?
[21:18] <Lunar_Lander_> no
[21:18] <Lunar_Lander_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullity
[21:20] <MickMondo> when you launching Upu ..?
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[21:24] <MickMondo> my pigeon just crashed again
[21:24] <fsphil> silly sparrowhawks
[21:24] <fsphil> causing packet loss
[21:25] <MickMondo> saying that, I had a marsh harrier grab a pieon out of my garden the other day ( sorry off topic I know )
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[21:26] <MickMondo> you still there Upu
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[21:27] <eroomde> he might be walking the dog
[21:27] <MickMondo> oh yeah
[21:28] <MickMondo> anyone got anything good planned >>?
[21:28] <DrLuke> I bought a 2,35m long yagi on ebay today
[21:29] <Darkside> i'm planning on getting in a metal tube and ascending to 30000ft
[21:29] <DrLuke> and I plan to accept the package on my doorstep soon
[21:29] <MickMondo> sounds good lol
[21:30] <MickMondo> what make is the Yagi
[21:30] <DrLuke> then I'll just need to find a way to connect it to my sdr dongle
[21:30] <DrLuke> uhm
[21:30] <eroomde> MickMondo: no launches for me soon. i'm sort of retired/distracted
[21:30] <DrLuke> TONNA
[21:31] <Upu> back now
[21:31] <DrLuke> http://i46.tinypic.com/34ef8us.jpg
[21:31] <Upu> possibly Sunday Mick
[21:31] <MickMondo> arr yeah .. should get good results with that, you motor mounting it too ?>
[21:31] <DrLuke> welcome back upu
[21:31] <DrLuke> nah
[21:31] <MickMondo> Hi ya Upu,
[21:31] <DrLuke> I will have to somehow mount it on a tripod
[21:31] <MickMondo> ahh cool, I'm working so cant help track
[21:31] <DrLuke> I also got myself a smaller one that is a bit easier to wield
[21:31] <Upu> nps
[21:32] <MickMondo> You going for it ..?
[21:32] <eroomde> DrLuke: that is some nice hardware
[21:32] <MickMondo> small payload
[21:32] <DrLuke> eroomde: I know, right? why build your own when you can buy such a beauty for 30¬
[21:32] <Upu> I'm testing a pico payload yes
[21:32] <DrLuke> it even is foldable
[21:32] <MickMondo> yeah I agree
[21:32] <Upu> 35g probably
[21:33] <Upu> sure the 1600g balloon should be ok lifting it
[21:33] <MickMondo> Mmm, is that the one I see ..?
[21:33] <DrLuke> are you going for a height record? :)
[21:33] <Upu> no
[21:33] <Upu> no one goes for the flight record
[21:33] <MickMondo> lol,
[21:33] <DrLuke> why
[21:33] <MickMondo> I do ha ha
[21:33] <Upu> just tends to be a by product of testing
[21:34] <Upu> well to quote Terry Pratchet going for the flight record is like standing on top of a hill in a thunder storm whilst wearing copper underpants shouting all gods are bastards
[21:34] <MickMondo> The best thing Upu is put the balloon in the washing machine first, and wash it thats the trick ....lol
[21:34] <Upu> oh yeah
[21:34] <DrLuke> lol
[21:34] <Upu> the real thing is more or less lift than last time
[21:35] <Upu> its a decision I've not come too yet
[21:35] <MickMondo> ..?
[21:35] <Upu> how much lift
[21:35] <Upu> neck lift
[21:35] <MickMondo> what was your ascent
[21:35] <DrLuke> shouldn't you get crazy ascend rates with such a light payload?
[21:35] <Upu> no you keep the neck lift down
[21:35] <Upu> well we aimed for 5.5m/s last time
[21:36] <Upu> lower and you risk float which I'm not bothered about really
[21:36] <MickMondo> I'd go for 0.5 M/s it wont go into float honest
[21:36] <Upu> lol
[21:36] <Upu> it won't have enough puff to get high either
[21:36] <DrLuke> :)
[21:36] <MickMondo> 5.5 is good
[21:37] <eroomde> try 4.5. see what happens
[21:37] <Upu> its a real balancing act
[21:37] <eroomde> tbh
[21:37] <eroomde> i sound like a broken record and should do something about it
[21:37] <Upu> I was actually going that way eroomde
[21:37] <MickMondo> it will float thats for sure
[21:37] <eroomde> but we really need to stick an accurate pressure sensor on these flights
[21:37] <Upu> yep it'll float
[21:37] <Upu> I don't want a H2 floating really
[21:38] <MickMondo> No bit dodgy
[21:38] <eroomde> cos it's difficult to know if the balloons are actually getting to a lower pressure
[21:38] <MickMondo> you going helium then
[21:38] <Upu> no H2
[21:38] <eroomde> or if they're all going to the same external pressure but that external pressure happens to be physically higher ASL in meters
[21:38] <eroomde> because of the energy in the atmosphere or whatever
[21:39] <MickMondo> is that with dave
[21:39] <Upu> yes
[21:40] <Upu> alot of it is luck of the draw
[21:40] <MickMondo> I think the reason the ballons are unpredictable is the thickness of the latex, its a bit hit and miss
[21:40] <MickMondo> yeah I know, and washing it
[21:40] <MickMondo> joking
[21:40] <Upu> what was the term Dan Bowen used to describe the point where the balloon stretches past the point where it can return ?
[21:40] <SpeedEvil> absolute pressure measurements in and out of the balloon would be awesome
[21:41] <Upu> sure we could do that
[21:41] <eroomde> the creep point
[21:41] <Upu> thats it thanks
[21:41] <eroomde> so the point beyond which it's elastic
[21:41] <SpeedEvil> elastic limit
[21:41] <eroomde> and will just allow itself to be stretched without fighting back
[21:41] <eroomde> which puts it into positive feedback to ascent and so burst
[21:41] <SpeedEvil> where the pressure inside the balloon stops being a constant figure above external
[21:41] <Upu> thats the point where we need it to be at 44km so when it starts its final climb it can take Micks record :)
[21:42] <MickMondo> I guess that would be the point of pressure drop
[21:42] <MickMondo> NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[21:42] <Laurenceb_> is there an interesting discussion going on?
[21:42] <SpeedEvil> it's complex
[21:42] <Upu> put a pressure sensor in a kinder egg with a AVR and a battery transmitting data via a zigbee or something to the payload
[21:42] <Laurenceb_> im bored && lazy
[21:42] <SpeedEvil> you need extra gas to go up
[21:43] <Laurenceb_> yeah Dans talk was really good
[21:43] <Laurenceb_> is a video online yet?
[21:43] <SpeedEvil> floaters will have lower terminal altitude, I think
[21:43] <eroomde> i wonder if u can detect creep
[21:43] <Laurenceb_> probably
[21:43] <Upu> he described exactly what we saw with Steve's flight
[21:43] <MickMondo> yes I think so
[21:43] <eroomde> i suspect if u can measure differential pressure across the ballon, you probably can
[21:43] <Laurenceb_> i was looking at designing a 1m diameter superpressure
[21:43] <Laurenceb_> and i keep meaning to try silicone psa
[21:43] <Laurenceb_> but as i said im lazy
[21:44] <Laurenceb_> and cannot be bothered
[21:44] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: with or without a little steam engine in the middle on a solar mirror
[21:44] <Laurenceb_> but i have _many_ litres of silicone psa
[21:44] <Laurenceb_> hehehe
[21:44] <Laurenceb_> yeah thats my "big idea"
[21:44] <MickMondo> Cant believe the time, gone so fast tonight
[21:44] <Upu> welcome to IRC Mick you should come more often
[21:45] <MickMondo> yeah, Its a bit quite at work tonight so I thought I'd get on here,,, also wanted to ask about the rfm22
[21:45] Nick change: arko_ -> arko
[21:46] <MickMondo> is dave launching too
[21:46] <Upu> Yes I think he is
[21:46] <MickMondo> Altitude ..?
[21:47] <Upu> err I'm not sure tbh don't think so
[21:47] <MickMondo> I'm not worried honest lol
[21:47] <Upu> not unless he's going to try a 1200g
[21:47] <Upu> I suspect your confidence is well placed
[21:47] <Upu> that is a stupidly high altitude
[21:47] <MickMondo> yeah,,
[21:47] <MickMondo> so pleased I got that
[21:48] <MickMondo> It can be beaten though
[21:48] <MickMondo> down to the balloon like you said
[21:49] <MickMondo> I'm supprised the Americans havet tried latetly, its all us UK lot in the top ten
[21:49] <Upu> they seem really conservative
[21:50] <eroomde> are they still using kaymont?
[21:50] <Upu> interestingly I noticed they have a lightest payload chart
[21:50] <Upu> which I suspect we'd have the top 15 if we'd realised
[21:50] <MickMondo> havent looked at that
[21:50] <MickMondo> ahh bummer
[21:50] <Upu> 104g is their lightest
[21:51] <MickMondo> next time, list it with your flight Sunday
[21:51] <Upu> I have already
[21:51] <Upu> 35g
[21:51] <MickMondo> what .. ha ha
[21:51] <Upu> http://www.arhab.org/hab_launch_list.php
[21:51] <MickMondo> 104g
[21:51] <Upu> yeah
[21:51] <MickMondo> 35g is good
[21:51] <Upu> Dave's camera payload wasn't far off that
[21:51] <MickMondo> is that your new one
[21:51] <eroomde> they'd beat us on heaviness
[21:51] <Upu> yes
[21:52] <Upu> I know 22kg
[21:52] <eroomde> well actually, uk might have the #1 spot
[21:52] <Upu> like what are you launching ? Breakfast ?
[21:52] <eroomde> ahem
[21:52] <eroomde> but in general they have space and power anc have no reason to go light, lucky peeps
[21:52] <MickMondo> I'm trying to stay away fromn anything heavy now
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[21:54] <eroomde> it's a headache, being heavy
[21:54] <MickMondo> wish I could sort this transmitter out
[21:54] <Laurenceb_> back
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[21:55] <MickMondo> I'm trying some new ideas and hoping for a payload of around 20g
[21:56] <MickMondo> perhaps a bit lighter
[21:56] <Laurenceb_> so i have some Dow Corning silicone PSA, and some contacts at Dupont who are very helpful
[21:56] <Upu> If I powered this from solar I think I could get this to 12g
[21:56] <Laurenceb_> should be feasible to put a balloon together
[21:56] <Laurenceb_> ive got some 80micron BiPET film
[21:56] <eroomde> coin cells must be worth attacking too
[21:56] <eroomde> they have the energy density
[21:56] <Laurenceb_> BiPET is interesting stuff
[21:56] <eroomde> just not the power
[21:56] <Upu> well interesting, that powered my badge for 2 days
[21:57] <MickMondo> I've got some solar panels ready for a float
[21:57] <Laurenceb_> i delaminated it with a scalpel
[21:57] <Upu> ok it was only blinking an LED
[21:57] <eroomde> sure
[21:57] <Laurenceb_> and ill shut up as no-one is interested :P
[21:57] <Upu> but for a battery I ripped from a 10 year old PC motherboard it did ok
[21:57] <Upu> I am Laurenceb just not tonight
[21:57] <Upu> going to log shortly
[21:58] <MickMondo> yeah me too, got to sort everything for tomorrow
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[21:58] <Upu> its something I'm very interested in
[21:58] <Upu> but working on the electronics first
[21:59] <MickMondo> yeah not enough time is there
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[21:59] <Upu> no
[21:59] <Upu> :)
[21:59] <Upu> transatlantic next year
[21:59] <Upu> :)
[21:59] <MickMondo> I've designed and built a dump valve
[21:59] <MickMondo> I should get my finger out and sort it
[22:00] <Upu> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19676639
[22:00] <Upu> anyway I'm off night all
[22:01] <MickMondo> better go, got to kill a musician,,,
[22:01] <MickMondo> ar they have stopped now..
[22:01] <MickMondo> good night all,,, been good cheers Michael
[22:02] <fsphil> cya
[22:02] <MickMondo> Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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[22:11] <G0DJA> Anyone know how to find the new UKHAS chase car program on an Android phone please?
[22:12] <SpeedEvil> use the chase car program tracker. :-)
[22:12] <G0DJA> Pardon?
[22:13] <SpeedEvil> nvm
[22:14] <Randomskk> G0DJA: search for "habitat" in the app store
[22:14] <Randomskk> uhm
[22:14] <mattbrejza> habitat car
[22:14] <mattbrejza> works
[22:14] <G0DJA> OK I'll give that a go - Thanks
[22:14] <Randomskk> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pexat.habhub.chasecartracker
[22:14] <Randomskk> there
[22:14] <Randomskk> just go on that and click "install"
[22:15] <G0DJA> Links on my PC are no use - I need to find it on the smartphone to download it...
[22:15] <Randomskk> nah
[22:15] <Randomskk> if your android phone is linked to your google account
[22:15] <Randomskk> and you are signed in on your google account
[22:15] <Randomskk> you can click "install" on the PC
[22:15] <Randomskk> and it installs it on your phone
[22:17] <G0DJA> habitat car found habhub chase car :-)
[22:17] <G0DJA> Shame the program is called UKHASChase...
[22:18] <Lunar_Lander_> wb Upu , did you get the dog to go outside :)?
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[22:22] <G0DJA> OK - thanks - It seems to be working
[22:22] <G0DJA> Now I just need to figure out how to switch it off again...
[22:26] <G0DJA> AH! big button at the bottom says "Stop Tracker" Doh!
[22:26] <G0DJA> I was hitting Menu expecting a 'Exit' option...
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[22:35] <DrLuke> technology... :P
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[22:42] <Lunar_Lander_> hi Dan-K2VOL
[22:43] <Dan-K2VOL> hey Lunar_Lander
[22:45] <Dan-K2VOL> do you remember if it's legal to launch balloons in france?
[22:46] <Lunar_Lander_> no, sorry
[22:46] <Lunar_Lander_> wait
[22:46] <Lunar_Lander_> there are ham radio groups doing it
[22:46] <Lunar_Lander_> so yeah
[22:47] <Dan-K2VOL> cool
[22:47] <Dan-K2VOL> thanks
[22:47] <Dan-K2VOL> how's your night
[22:47] <Lunar_Lander_> well, mixed
[22:47] <Lunar_Lander_> math exam coming up on saturday
[22:47] <Lunar_Lander_> and I hope I can do it
[22:47] <Dan-K2VOL> ugh I remember how you feel
[22:47] <Lunar_Lander_> it's the second attemt
[22:47] <Lunar_Lander_> *attempt
[22:47] <Dan-K2VOL> I was terrible at calculus in college
[22:47] <Lunar_Lander_> :(
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[23:25] <stilldavid> phew, antenna complete.
[23:27] <DrLuke> pics?
[23:27] <stilldavid> hmm. one sec.
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[23:34] <Lunar_Lander_> hello stilldavid
[23:34] <stilldavid> so I needed an antenna for 2m
[23:34] <stilldavid> but I'm flying it to the launch site
[23:34] <stilldavid> and I'm carrying on
[23:35] <stilldavid> so it had to be collapsible
[23:35] <stilldavid> banana plugs to the rescue!
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[23:41] <stilldavid> http://imgur.com/a/bUHWX
[23:41] <stilldavid> ~70g or so. kind of heavy, but convenient.
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[23:56] <DrLuke> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wvr6o7fBcTY&feature=player_embedded
[23:56] <DrLuke> stilldavid: nice!
[23:56] <DrLuke> that looks really awesome
[23:58] <Lunar_Lander_> hello stilldavid
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