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[00:03] <Laurenceb_> arggggg
[00:03] <Laurenceb_> thats was not pleasant
[00:03] <Laurenceb_> 4 hours train ride
[00:04] <Darkside> ouch
[00:06] <Darkside> sleep time for me
[00:06] <Darkside> lol my badge is STILL blinking
[00:07] <Darkside> it fades in, gets about halfway to full before the micro resets
[00:07] <Darkside> then it does it all over again
[00:07] <Darkside> k sleep
[00:10] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[00:20] <natrium42> Lunar_Lander: so, did you fix your flight computer?
[00:21] <Lunar_Lander> yeah we worked on that
[00:21] <Lunar_Lander> it is not done completely but I think I know what we must change
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[00:23] <DrLuke> Anybody wanna help me with linux' right system really quick? :) I have a dir owned by user1, and I want user2 to have write rights to that dir without giving it to everyone
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[00:32] <natrium42> DrLuke: just make them part of the same group
[00:32] <Laurenceb_> cy afolks
[00:32] <natrium42> and give the group write permissions
[00:32] <DrLuke> hmm
[00:32] <natrium42> later laurence
[00:32] <DrLuke> later
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[01:25] <MrCraig> Can't get a gps lock :-(
[01:25] <MrCraig> lock! woot!
[01:30] <natrium42> zomg
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[07:05] <nosebleedkt> lol
[07:06] <nosebleedkt> i was to be on TV at 10:00
[07:06] <nosebleedkt> they were calling me to prepare the skype session
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[07:06] <nosebleedkt> but i was drunk yesterday too much
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[07:06] <nosebleedkt> that i was in toilet all morning doing nasty stuff
[07:07] <nosebleedkt> and I never appeared on TV
[07:07] <nosebleedkt> hahahahaha
[07:07] <nosebleedkt> epic
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[07:17] <G0DJA> GM all
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[07:21] <daveake> gm
[07:22] <G0DJA> Cuppa time I think
[07:22] <daveake> tea milk 1 sugar ta
[07:22] <G0DJA> Grand daughter is having cornflakes without milk - No, I don't know why either...
[07:22] <daveake> ugh
[07:24] <G0DJA> I missed all the video streams, I guessed I would, of the conference. Are they available on YuoTube ?
[07:25] <G0DJA> or even YouTube
[07:25] <G0DJA> Oh dear, it's Mike the Knight on cbeebies
[07:30] <fsphil> they will be on youtube soonish
[07:31] <daveake> not sure the streaming was working for much of the time
[07:31] <G0DJA> OK
[07:32] <fsphil> indeed, the internet there was quite poor
[07:32] <G0DJA> will keep a lookout for a link
[07:32] <daveake> I think we've had better streaming from some of the launches :)
[07:32] <G0DJA> I thought everywhere in London had great links?
[07:33] <fsphil> you'd think that
[07:33] <G0DJA> That's what all the people who come out to the rest of the country always tell us when they moan about lack of wifi
[07:33] <daveake> A Uni too. Dunno what was wrong. No doubt Upu_London can enlighten us when he wakes from his whisky-fueled sleep :D
[07:34] <fsphil> 3G coverage has been quite good
[07:34] <fsphil> although in the conf room it wasn't good enough to video stream
[07:34] <G0DJA> AH
[07:34] <daveake> Yes that kept me online aside from some tunnels yesterday
[07:35] <daveake> The HTC phone battery can't cope though - had to change batteries once and then run power from the netbook USB
[07:35] <fsphil> I had mine pluged into the laptop all day
[07:35] <fsphil> it's the only fault I have with the htc
[07:35] <daveake> good plan
[07:36] <daveake> Happy with mine, though it runs out of memory too easily
[07:36] <daveake> Not all apps installed to the SD card
[07:36] <daveake> -ed
[07:36] <G0DJA> Wildfire isn't too bad but then I have a 250MB/month limit on "free" so I tend not to use 3G all the time
[07:37] <G0DJA> Yes, the SD problem gets me at times as well
[07:38] <fsphil> I've a giffgaff sim in there atm, £10 gives unmetered internet for a month
[07:39] <daveake> This is a Desire which I bought without contract. Using it on Tesco Mobile (O2): Pay £9 each month gives you £10 credit and I spend £7.50 of that on a 1GB bundle. The credit also gives you £20 of calls/texts for the month which is more than I ever use
[07:39] <Upu_London> morning
[07:39] <daveake> morning
[07:39] <Upu_London> head hurts
[07:39] <daveake> really?
[07:40] <daveake> I'm pretending to be surprised here
[07:40] <Upu_London> yeah
[07:40] <Upu_London> get home safe I guess ?
[07:40] <daveake> Yep
[07:40] <fsphil> shocking
[07:40] <Upu_London> jolly good
[07:40] <fsphil> I'm surprised everyone is up so early
[07:40] <daveake> No problem aside from the cheap train
[07:40] <Upu_London> this isn't earlu for me lol
[07:40] <daveake> true
[07:41] <Upu_London> what was up with the train ?
[07:41] <daveake> Oh, just a local-ish train not an "inter city" type
[07:41] <daveake> Full of people going back home after a night out
[07:41] <Upu_London> ok
[07:41] <daveake> You get the idea
[07:41] <Upu_London> oh yeah
[07:41] <Upu_London> fight club
[07:41] <daveake> :)
[07:42] <daveake> crowded uncomfortable and slow
[07:42] <G0DJA> Have O2 on company phone. Don't like the coverage, or rather lack of it, on O2
[07:43] <daveake> They vary. T-Mobile and Orange are shite here. O2 and Vodafone OK.
[07:43] <G0DJA> Wouldn't use Phones 4U again though - wretched calls all the time trying to (mis)sell insurance
[07:43] <daveake> Just up the road at my launch site Three is the only one with 3G coverage
[07:43] <daveake> crooks
[07:44] <G0DJA> Have Vodaphone cos most of family have that so makes interfamily calls cheaper
[07:44] <Upu_London> 3 is really good down this end of the coutry
[07:44] <daveake> I don't call anyone :) so I don't much care about call costs
[07:45] <G0DJA> Got so bad I installed a call blocker just for one number...
[07:47] <G0DJA> Was looking at those GSM position reporters for a payload but seemed expensive for a cheapo flight
[07:47] <Upu_London> so streaming was choppy I understand sorry about that
[07:47] <G0DJA> I diddn't get chance to watch anyway Upu_London
[07:48] <daveake> G0DJA If you mean those little GSM-GPS modules sold for attaching to cats and roaming grannies, I wouldn't bother
[07:48] <G0DJA> We went to Ikea and then Charlotte's for an icecream and let Megan play on the slides and see the animals
[07:48] <daveake> Unreliable
[07:48] <Upu_London> what you need is Iridium
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[07:49] <G0DJA> Thanks daveake - I was thinking of the ones that hikers use? Same problems?
[07:49] <daveake> Yes
[07:50] <daveake> No very sensitive (to GPS or GSM); can get confused when up high, to the extent that they don't get unconfused till 30 mins after landing
[07:50] <daveake> There are modules you can attach to your flight computer, Hix has some. Possibly useful for an expensive payload.
[07:51] <daveake> But all the GSM things only work at 2km or below, and then only if they have coverage, so they're of limited use
[07:51] <daveake> I think it's worth saving the money, and just making sure your radio tracker is as reliable and fault free as can be
[07:53] <daveake> Predictions for next Saturday and Sunday both looking possible
[07:53] <Upu_London> good
[07:53] <Upu_London> I'm flexible
[07:53] <daveake> ooer
[07:54] <Upu_London> http://imgur.com/a/Tz5ia
[07:54] <daveake> I see my arse
[07:55] <Upu_London> haha
[07:55] <daveake> The Raspi people re-posted on FB about the PIE1 flight. One comment: "I cant beleive such a tiny thing can do such wonders"
[07:56] <Upu_London> lol
[07:56] <daveake> Well they obviously have never seen Matt Brejza's tiny tracker
[07:56] <Upu_London> that stupid small thing at the conference would have blown their mind
[07:56] <Upu_London> yep
[07:57] <daveake> Never has my bug seemed so lardy
[07:57] <Upu_London> or my payloads
[07:57] <daveake> Weight offset by pinkness, however
[07:59] <fsphil> I missed that
[08:03] <daveake> It was very small
[08:04] <number10> looks like you all had a good time yesterday
[08:04] <daveake> wasn't much more than a ublox and chip antenna and a tiny transmitter
[08:04] <daveake> and a second much tinier board with a step up
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[08:19] <griffonbot> Received email: John Graham-Cumming "[UKHAS] My conference slides on HAB software problems"
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[08:31] <griffonbot> @jgrahamc: Slides from my #ukhas 2012 conference talk, HAB Software Woes: http://t.co/XiQWSKBY [http://twitter.com/jgrahamc/status/249788066796019712]
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[09:09] <griffonbot> @AnthonyStirk: Thanks to all attendees and speakers yesterday, great day. Badgeboard technical details http://t.co/NEdJ3rBC #ukhas [http://twitter.com/AnthonyStirk/status/249797657835479042]
[09:13] <G0DJA> Wonder when the first payload using a http://t.co/NEdJ3rBC will be flown?
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[09:20] <Upu_London> morning James
[09:25] <jcoxon> morning
[09:26] <jcoxon> some nice things said on the mailing list
[09:26] <Upu_London> indeed it was a great day
[09:26] <Upu_London> format was much better
[09:26] <Upu_London> afternoon was spot on really enjoyed it
[09:27] <Upu_London> I'll fire a mail round when I get back but I've put the tech details for the badge on the Wiki
[09:28] <Upu_London> just read that back not imply the morning wasn't ok :) Just compared to last year
[09:28] <jcoxon> hehe
[09:28] <jcoxon> it was good fun
[09:28] <jcoxon> pub trip was a success as well
[09:29] <Upu_London> Absolutely
[09:29] <Upu_London> even though I managed accidentally drag fsphil and daveake back to some random house party
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[09:32] <jcoxon> oh really!
[09:32] <jcoxon> we went to china town
[09:34] <fsphil> it was fun :)
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[09:37] <Upu_London> I should go there again sometime
[09:37] <Upu_London> but no really enjoyed the whole day and glad people stopped back for the pub, was great to chat to people
[09:38] <Upu_London> wonder if Elmar is back yet ?
[09:43] <jcoxon> hope so!
[09:44] <Upu_London> well it was an over night sail back
[09:46] <Upu_London> didn't see Steve launch on the map yesterday
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[09:47] <Upu_London> right need to shut down bye from London!
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[09:51] <cuddykid> good to see HABE 1 was used in John's talk yesterday :D
[09:51] <cuddykid> I'll never be making that mistake again.. haha
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[10:26] <griffonbot> Received email: Graham Shirville "[UKHAS] a slightly bigger parachute than we those we use?"
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[10:30] <fsphil> more rain. we where lucky yesterday
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[11:06] <eroomde> i am liking the rain
[11:06] <eroomde> justifies staying in and watching iplayer and eating toast
[11:07] <nick_> Some cheap ass just gave me a used toaster as a wedding present
[11:08] <eroomde> lol
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[11:08] <fsphil> at least you know it works
[11:09] <nick_> I haven't confirmed whether it works yet
[11:09] <jonsowman> or at least that it used to
[11:09] <nick_> It has temporarily ruined toast for me
[11:11] <eroomde> you'll get over it
[11:12] <eroomde> everyone gets over it
[11:12] <eroomde> toast is too good
[11:12] <nick_> I haven't had toast in a few years
[11:13] <fsphil> *horror*
[11:13] <fsphil> but but,, it's toast. it's essential :)
[11:14] <nick_> It would have been sacreligious in Geneva
[11:14] <nick_> And until Friday I didn't own a toaster.
[11:15] <griffonbot> Received email: Chris Atherton "Re: [UKHAS] Well done all!"
[11:15] <nick_> I'm sorry I missed the conference.
[11:15] <nick_> A week of electronics conference melted my brain
[11:16] <nick_> If I don't see the letters F, P, G and A together for a while I'll be happy.
[11:18] <eroomde> FAG-P
[11:19] <eroomde> and yes re needing toast
[11:20] <nick_> I really need to find a way of using 100Tbps fibre though.
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[11:38] <griffonbot> @daveake: John Graham-Cumming watches as Mark Jessop's cut-down payload hits the deck #UKHAS http://t.co/tQzBVHkx [http://twitter.com/daveake/status/249835184990609409]
[11:41] <Darkside> lol
[11:43] <griffonbot> @daveake: The location for next years's #UKHAS conference reflects the increased popularity of the hobby http://t.co/uyodIEjP [http://twitter.com/daveake/status/249836394766295040]
[11:43] <eroomde> hehe gd
[11:43] <eroomde> we do need to get a yagi atop that
[11:45] <Hix> what was the deal with the name badges yesterday then?
[11:45] <Hix> Upu said something about schematics
[11:45] <eroomde> they were Awesome
[11:45] <eroomde> were/are
[11:45] <eroomde> upu pulled a blinder
[11:45] <Hix> whats on them then?
[11:46] <daveake> Fortunately they were black rather than pink
[11:46] <eroomde> yeshttp://ukhas.org.uk/general:ukhasbadgeboard
[11:46] <eroomde> whoops
[11:46] <eroomde> http://ukhas.org.uk/general:ukhasbadgeboard
[11:46] <Hix> I was porviding dl-fldigi support last night whislt UKHAS were in the pub :)
[11:46] <eroomde> lol
[11:46] <eroomde> thanks for holding the fort
[11:46] <Hix> it nearly worked out too :D
[11:46] <Hix> I was in the pub too admitedly
[11:47] <Hix> nut pub with irc :)
[11:47] <Hix> *but
[11:48] <Hix> COOL badges, nice one upu
[11:52] <eroomde> 'let's go truffling in the forrest of knowledge'
[11:56] <eroomde> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_2356.html
[11:56] <eroomde> this is a nice photo
[11:57] <eroomde> retrorockets are nice too
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[11:59] <griffonbot> @jamescoxon: @AnthonyStirk I keep misreading badgeboard for badgeRboard #ukhas [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/249840402440548352]
[12:00] <LazyLeopard> Cool badges. ;)
[12:01] <eroomde> 'this situation calls for a black coffee and my bluetooth headset'
[12:02] <eroomde> next time there is a launch i shall use this line
[12:02] <Darkside> cockometer to the max
[12:02] <eroomde> yes i kept thinking it was badgerboard
[12:02] <eroomde> was finding a lawyer
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[12:14] Nick change: trombone -> theotherkey
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[12:24] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[12:32] <theotherkey> Hello Lunar_Lander
[12:34] <eroomde> less of a blinder was upu's present to me, which i just found in my bag
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[13:25] <griffonbot> @jgrahamc: RT @daveake: John Graham-Cumming watches as Mark Jessop's cut-down payload hits the deck #UKHAS http://t.co/tQzBVHkx [http://twitter.com/jgrahamc/status/249862121196769280]
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[13:26] <Lunar_Lander> nice!
[13:30] <griffonbot> @JesusRealB: RT @daveake: John Graham-Cumming watches as Mark Jessop's cut-down payload hits the deck #UKHAS http://t.co/tQzBVHkx [http://twitter.com/JesusRealB/status/249863184985493505]
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[13:41] <Lunar_Lander> hello Elmar_PD3EM
[13:41] <Elmar_PD3EM> hi all
[13:42] <Elmar_PD3EM> The conference was great!
[13:42] <griffonbot> @PD3EM: Mark Jessop demonstrates the remote payload cut-down during the #UKHAS Conference in London yesterday http://t.co/OkezN1CA [http://twitter.com/PD3EM/status/249866308571766784]
[13:42] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[13:43] <LazyLeopard> That's getting quite a few re-tweets...
[13:44] <daveake> That one's a video; one was a photo
[13:45] <Darkside> haha cool
[13:45] <LazyLeopard> So it is ;)
[13:45] <Elmar_PD3EM> it is indeed a vid made with my phone
[13:46] <daveake> s/one/my own
[13:46] <daveake> one
[13:46] <daveake> grr
[13:46] <Elmar_PD3EM> haha
[13:46] <Lunar_Lander> XD do you know Big Bang Theory with the episode where Leonard and Sheldon fight at a talk?
[13:46] <Lunar_Lander> and Howard records it all
[13:46] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[13:48] <Lunar_Lander> and Penny: "Howard, why is there a picture of you and me on your Facebook saying "My Girlfriend and I"?"
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[14:10] <eroomde> downtown abbey. we're getting towards the bottom of the list of shows i might want to watch on the various catch-up services
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[14:20] <griffonbot> Received email: Priyesh Patel "[UKHAS] Update to Android Chase Car App"
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[14:25] <DrLuke> there's a bug in the app
[14:25] <DrLuke> when it asks you to enter the callsign, and you tap ok, the popup just appears again
[14:25] <priyesh> DrLuke: what are you entering as the callsign
[14:26] <DrLuke> drluke test
[14:26] <DrLuke> so I guessed spaces are forbidden, so I entered drluketest
[14:26] <AlephHaz> i'm trying to derive the voltage divider equation for the voltage supplied to the TXD pin in http://ukhas.org.uk/_detail/guides:ntx2.png - how should i treat the 100K resistor into the TXD pin assuming RXD is pulled low? should the 100K resistor be treated in parallel with R4 (the second 4k7 resistor) as it connects back to ground?
[14:26] <priyesh> did that work?
[14:27] <DrLuke> no
[14:27] <DrLuke> it still kept popping up
[14:27] <DrLuke> closing it and starting it again fixed it though
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[14:32] <priyesh> hmm
[14:32] <priyesh> okay
[14:32] <priyesh> i haven't seen that one
[14:33] <priyesh> let me know if it happens again
[14:33] <DrLuke> ok
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[14:41] <jcoxon> hmmm some reason i now can't upload to my badge board
[14:41] <Lunar_Lander> xD broken
[14:43] <eroomde> static
[14:44] <G7PMO_Kev> Hi Priyesh, just downloaded your Chase Car Tracker, runs fine, but I'm not appearing on spacenear.us. Last Updated is going up.
[14:44] <DrLuke> jcoxon: were the bootloader fusebits set? (assuming you're using it with arduino)
[14:45] <DrLuke> if not, the bootloader ends up overwriting itself
[14:45] <jcoxon> they were set
[14:45] <jcoxon> but it does give the impression that its overwritten itself
[14:46] <jcoxon> as i now can't reflash with my programmer either
[14:46] <jcoxon> but its still transmitting
[14:46] <jcoxon> as in the last program is still running
[14:47] <DrLuke> can't reflash with programmer?
[14:47] <priyesh> G7PMO_Kev: the update still hasn't appeared on Google Play so you'll still be using the old version which is not compatible with the new habitat
[14:47] <DrLuke> that sounds like something went wrong with the fusebits
[14:47] <griffonbot> Received email: steamfire@gmail.com "Re: [UKHAS] Well done all!"
[14:47] <DrLuke> I've once accidentally set my avr to an external clocksource
[14:48] <DrLuke> and then I had to fix it by taking another avr and uploading a blink code without any delay in it :)
[14:48] <G7PMO_Kev> priyesh - Ahhhh, yes, I downloaded 01.5, doh :)
[14:49] <DrLuke> indeed
[14:49] <DrLuke> but it should update on it's own, right?
[14:51] <priyesh> Android will either say that an update is available or if you have automatic updates enabled, it will update it through wifi
[14:54] <G7PMO_Kev> Priyesh - yea, I had not had it installed before, but now I have installed the old version it will :)
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[15:43] <jcoxon> ping Darkside
[15:44] <nick_> Anyone want some diabetes?
[15:44] <jcoxon> no thanks
[15:44] <Darkside> jcoxon: yeah
[15:44] Action: nick_ has a massive pile of gummy worms going spare
[15:44] <Darkside> im here for a bit, about to go get food before rain hits again
[15:45] <SpeedEvil> nick_: get chickens, feed worms
[15:45] <jcoxon> Darkside, have you programmed your badge board since addng the rfm22b
[15:45] <DrLuke> get gummy chickens?
[15:45] <nick_> Then get sour eggs?
[15:45] <Darkside> jcoxon: yes
[15:45] <jcoxon> cause its not responding to me
[15:45] <Darkside> hmm
[15:45] <Darkside> try tying the chip select
[15:45] <jcoxon> i'm getting SCK fail
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[15:45] <Darkside> hrm
[15:46] <Darkside> weird
[15:46] <Darkside> sounds like a bridged connection
[15:46] <jcoxon> i was wondering could the rfm22b be the issue
[15:46] <Darkside> shouldn't be
[15:46] <jcoxon> do they share SCK
[15:46] <Darkside> bbl, getting noms
[15:50] <DrLuke> ever wanted to browse the internet and play minesweeper on your >100k$ logic analyzer? http://i49.tinypic.com/25fsytk.png
[16:00] <jcoxon> bingo
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[16:00] <jcoxon> it is the rfm22b which is blocking the SCL line for what ever reason
[16:01] <jcoxon> i mean SCK
[16:10] <griffonbot> Received email: Philip Crump "[UKHAS] Re: Launch Announcement CRAAG1 Pico (24th/25th September)"
[16:19] <Darkside> jcoxon: did chip select work?
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[16:29] <griffonbot> Received email: Elmar PD3EM "Re: [UKHAS] Well done all!"
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[16:34] <fsphil> uh oh, steve has competition: http://i.imgur.com/6drAA.jpg
[16:34] <fsphil> he'll never beat that price
[16:35] <Darkside> lol
[16:37] <DrLuke> haha
[16:38] <Darkside> DrLuke: many expensive test equipment runs windows xp
[16:38] <Darkside> :(
[16:38] <Darkside> or windows CE
[16:38] <DrLuke> yeah
[16:38] <DrLuke> I just wonder why they don't go with linux
[16:38] <Darkside> nfi
[16:38] <DrLuke> I'd imagine it to be so much easier to implement
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[16:39] <fsphil> wince is possibly the worse OS ever made
[16:42] <daveake> Hence the name?
[16:44] <daveake> Is Upu_London currently Upu_OnHisWayHome?
[16:44] <fsphil> I do believe so
[16:45] <daveake> ta. Need to chat with him re plans for next w/e
[16:46] <daveake> btw the UART camera - does it have a focus ring?
[16:46] <daveake> Or (more to the point) what's the closest in-focus distance with infinity still sharp?
[16:47] <daveake> IOW how close can Ted be? :)
[16:53] <daveake> Darkside We've stocked up on Bundaberg
[16:53] <fsphil> it can be focused
[16:53] <fsphil> the lens screws in or out to adjust it
[16:54] <daveake> cool, though I don't want to defocus the background
[16:54] <fsphil> but I'm not sure how near it can be -- the low resolution should let it be fairly close and still keep the background in focus
[16:54] <daveake> indeed
[16:55] <daveake> plus side of being blurry :D
[16:55] <staylo> Windows CE will hopefully die off now, it's pretty clear that it's not going to see much development
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[16:57] <Darkside> daveake: haha cool
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[17:01] <zyp> it's called the hyperfocal distance
[17:01] <daveake> yes, I know
[17:02] <zyp> should be easy to calculate if you know the specs on the lens and sensor
[17:02] Nick change: UpuHome -> Upu
[17:02] <Lunar_Lander> hi Upu
[17:02] <zyp> (focal length, aperture, pixel size)
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[17:42] <Elmar_PD3EM> Do we have to start a search and rescue SP9UOB?
[17:44] <Lunar_Lander> ohhhhhhh
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[17:52] <jcoxon> Darkside, i had to un-solder the SCK line off the rfm22b
[17:52] <jcoxon> and now it works
[17:54] <Darkside> weird
[17:54] <jcoxon> probably just my board
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[17:57] <SP9UOB_> Hi
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[17:57] <SP9UOB> how to download/export telemetry data from http://habitat.habhub.org/
[17:58] <Darkside> you can't yet
[17:58] <SP9UOB> :-(
[17:59] <SP9UOB> we launch yesterday 140 cubic meters ldpe balloon :-)
[17:59] <Elmar_PD3EM> the guys from habhub announced yesterday that that function will be available in the future
[17:59] <SP9UOB> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=472251052815227&set=a.472250509481948.110271.227602693946732&type=1&theater
[18:00] <number10> that looks fun SP9UOB
[18:00] <SP9UOB> unfortunetly at 5000 meters it begin to fall
[18:01] <SP9UOB> hydrogen leaks i think
[18:02] <number10> oh thats a shame - I just looked at the tracker
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[18:07] <Lunar_Lander> SP9UOB, cool!
[18:08] <Lunar_Lander> all homebuilt?
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[18:10] <Upu> Evening all
[18:10] <Upu> http://imgur.com/a/K0bv7#0
[18:15] <Elmar_PD3EM> Good evening Upu! Thanks for sharing your photo's!
[18:15] <Upu> hey Elmar great to meet you I take it you're home safe ?
[18:16] <Elmar_PD3EM> I arrived home at 9 am LT... It was great to meet you as well and I enjoyed the conference very much
[18:16] <eroomde> weather this week looks awesome
[18:17] <eroomde> this for 3 more days
[18:17] <Upu> rain ?
[18:17] <eroomde> yes
[18:17] <Upu> I was about to say its dry up north but there are drops on the window noq
[18:17] <Upu> now
[18:17] <griffonbot> @Leyenitoutthere: Ran a hog, put some new speakers in the D-Locker Room, doing homework, and kind of missing my queen sized bed at the Marriott. #cusf [http://twitter.com/Leyenitoutthere/status/249935529733419008]
[18:17] <eroomde> its been raining quite noisily here all day
[18:17] <Elmar_PD3EM> awesome weather?? Here I had 7.2 mm of rain within the last hour... ;-)
[18:17] <eroomde> drumming on the windows
[18:17] <Upu> Just doing a quick mail about the conference brb
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[18:18] <eroomde> stay inside and watch a film weather
[18:18] <eroomde> #cusf - what the hell else could it be?
[18:21] <SP9UOB> Lunar_Lander: yes homebuild
[18:22] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[18:22] <Lunar_Lander> so you are with the Copernicus Project?
[18:22] <SP9UOB> Lunar_Lander: I was on the meeting this weekend
[18:24] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[18:24] <Lunar_Lander> sorry I am bad with remembering names
[18:24] <Lunar_Lander> you were the one who flew from the glider airport with the CD for the shroud lines? :)
[18:25] <SP9UOB> Lunar_Lander: yes :-)
[18:28] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[18:28] <Lunar_Lander> Tomas right?
[18:29] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "[UKHAS] Conference 2012"
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[18:31] <Upu> just watched your video Elmar_PD3EM
[18:31] <Upu> you should have recorded all of it for us :)
[18:32] <Elmar_PD3EM> Thanks Upu
[18:33] <Elmar_PD3EM> can use it for the site if you want to. Quality is as it is... a simple camera on my mobile phone
[18:33] <Elmar_PD3EM> photo's will follow tomorrow
[18:34] <Upu> feel free to add them to the conference wiki page
[18:36] <Elmar_PD3EM> I will do that Upu
[18:36] <Lunar_Lander> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYt_T0qILA8
[18:41] <Lunar_Lander> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG84ugdm6Cc
[18:42] <SP9UOB> Lunar_Lander: Yes Tomas
[18:42] <Lunar_Lander> yay :)
[18:43] <eroomde>
[18:49] <fsphil> I didn't find a good spot to put my camera this time
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[19:31] <Elmar_PD3EM> fsphil: I didn't had a good spot either.... I just raised it by hand during Mark's demo as you can see on Upu's photos ;-)
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[19:32] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[19:32] <Lunar_Lander> Elmar_PD3EM, do you know The Big Bang Theory?
[19:32] <Elmar_PD3EM> haha.. yes... but should we expect that soon? ;-)
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> no I mean the one episode where Sheldon doesn't like Leonard's talk
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> and he comes to the talk and they fight
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> and howard records it and puts it on youtube
[19:34] <Elmar_PD3EM> A theory is something else than a video ;-)
[19:34] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:34] <Lunar_Lander> I mean the TV show of that name
[19:34] <Lunar_Lander> the sitcom
[19:34] <daveake> Well it's unlikely he saw the actual big bang ...
[19:34] <cuddykid> is Darkside's RFM code anywhere yet?
[19:34] <fsphil> few did
[19:35] <Darkside> cuddykid: no
[19:35] <Darkside> i need time to clean it up
[19:35] <cuddykid> ok - no probs
[19:35] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:35] <Darkside> probably won't be able to do that until i getback home
[19:36] <Lunar_Lander> Elmar_PD3EM, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=majaPLfQMzk
[19:36] <Elmar_PD3EM> Darkside: clean it up ad keep it secure.... otherwise someone will ruin a altitude record atempt ;-)
[19:36] <Darkside> Elmar_PD3EM: yeah, i need to add security stuff
[19:36] <Darkside> basically, a passcode at the start
[19:36] <Darkside> which isn't retransmitted in the RTTY packet
[19:36] <Darkside> unless you get it wrong :-)
[19:36] <fsphil> cutdown123
[19:36] <Elmar_PD3EM> Darkside: that's a real good thing to add
[19:38] <Darkside> it needs it
[19:38] <Elmar_PD3EM> no fsphil ... the password should be "incorrect" as websites will help me remind when I supplied the wrong one: "Your password is incorrect." ;-)
[19:38] <Darkside> but yeah, the plan is, if you get the pssword wrong, it puts the attempt into the rtty packet
[19:38] <Darkside> so you know somoene has done it :-)
[19:39] <daveake> :)
[19:39] <Elmar_PD3EM> That's a good one Darkside
[19:39] <Darkside> i think i'll limit the password length
[19:39] <Darkside> say, 4 characters
[19:39] <Darkside> i prefer to keep the uplink packets short, so they aren't affected by fast fading
[19:39] <Elmar_PD3EM> that should be enough
[19:39] <fsphil> 4 characters and a 32-bit crc :)
[19:39] <daveake> Wonder when you'll get your first DOS attack :D
[19:40] <Darkside> daveake: heh
[19:40] <fsphil> he already has :)
[19:40] <Darkside> you could automate the uplink procedure
[19:40] <daveake> lol
[19:40] <Darkside> have a program tie into fldigi
[19:40] <Darkside> look for the end of a packet, wait a little bit, then transmit
[19:40] <Darkside> the uplink network will probably do that i think
[19:41] <Elmar_PD3EM> in relation to yesterdays conference...
[19:42] <Elmar_PD3EM> would it be nice to have a regular sked on HF?
[19:42] <Darkside> not many people at the conf have the setup to do it!
[19:42] <Elmar_PD3EM> say, 40m for EU and 20m worldwide
[19:42] <Darkside> Elmar_PD3EM: are you next to a HF TX?
[19:42] <Elmar_PD3EM> yep
[19:42] <Elmar_PD3EM> i am Darkside
[19:43] <Darkside> hmm
[19:43] <Darkside> i wonder what'd be best to UK atm
[19:43] <Darkside> i have RX capability, no TX atm
[19:43] <Elmar_PD3EM> only 40m I think (or maybe 80m but I'm not allowed on 80)
[19:44] <Darkside> hmm
[19:44] <Elmar_PD3EM> We can try it another time Darkside
[19:44] <Darkside> wanna key up on 7148?
[19:44] <Darkside> just to see if i can hear you
[19:44] <Elmar_PD3EM> I've even made a QSO to VK on 40m last year with just 25 watt :-)
[19:45] <Elmar_PD3EM> Can can only do 7050-7100 due to my licence
[19:45] <Darkside> ok lemme check
[19:45] <Darkside> hmm
[19:45] <Darkside> i have a bit of noise there
[19:45] <Elmar_PD3EM> 7083 is lear... what is your call?
[19:45] <Darkside> M/VK5QI
[19:45] <Darkside> i won't be able to answer
[19:45] <Darkside> i hear someone tuning
[19:46] <Darkside> lol
[19:46] <Darkside> 4/7
[19:46] <Darkside> you're 47
[19:46] <Darkside> :D
[19:46] <Darkside> sriped to R3
[19:46] <Darkside> dropped
[19:46] <Darkside> hmm
[19:46] <Darkside> carrier is S90
[19:46] <Darkside> S9
[19:46] <Elmar_PD3EM> ok... someone else also on QRG
[19:47] <Darkside> Elmar_PD3EM: http://blighty.rfhead.net:8901/
[19:47] <Darkside> thats centered on 7070KHz
[19:47] <Darkside> so if you tune to 13KHz LSB
[19:47] <Darkside> thats where you are
[19:48] <Elmar_PD3EM> you'll need to get some HF rig there ;-)
[19:48] <Darkside> well i have RX :D
[19:48] <Elmar_PD3EM> haha.. true
[19:48] <Darkside> and there'll be a second RX running at Bath soon
[19:48] <Darkside> i didn't get the second loop antenna in time
[19:49] <Elmar_PD3EM> great. when are you returning to VK?
[19:49] <Darkside> so i had to take the one from bath when i set up my rx in cambridge
[19:49] <Darkside> Elmar_PD3EM: wednesday
[19:49] <Elmar_PD3EM> Ah... that's soon!
[19:49] <Darkside> i have HF TX capability there, though i dont have a good DX antenna
[19:49] <Darkside> yeah
[19:49] <Elmar_PD3EM> we can try it next weekend or so
[19:50] <Elmar_PD3EM> Who else is able to be QRV on HF?
[19:51] <Darkside> i need a 20m vertical
[19:52] <Elmar_PD3EM> http://www.hyendfedantenna.nl/joomla/ is a good (and portable) one!
[19:52] <Darkside> i'm using wellbrook loops
[19:53] <Elmar_PD3EM> I'll check on that... never used loops myself
[19:53] <Darkside> this one is RX only
[19:53] <Darkside> active loop
[19:53] <LazyLeopard> Elmar_PD3EM: What sort of licence do you have?
[19:54] <Elmar_PD3EM> ah... that's what I thought... often used by governments ;-)
[19:54] <Elmar_PD3EM> LazyLeopard: Novice
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[19:54] <Darkside> Elmar_PD3EM: you can use 20m?
[19:54] <LazyLeopard> ...and they keep you out of the CW/digital bits of 40 metres?
[19:54] <Elmar_PD3EM> Darkside: YES! luckely I can (14000-14250)
[19:54] <Darkside> cool
[19:55] <Elmar_PD3EM> LazyLeopard: Yes, only 7050-7100 on 40m
[19:55] <Darkside> not much space in there!
[19:55] <Darkside> i like being able to go right up to 7250
[19:55] <Elmar_PD3EM> Although 7050-7060 is digital now
[19:55] <Elmar_PD3EM> No.. so I ca be hard to go atround the globe on 40m
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[19:56] <LazyLeopard> It's interesting the way the two different philsophies apply. Here in the UK on the main HF bands there's not much frequency difference between the different licence classes, but a whole lot of difference in the power allowed...
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[19:57] <LazyLeopard> Other places they don't limit power so much, but do limit bands...
[19:57] <Elmar_PD3EM> Yep... quite a difference in Novice Licenses around the EU... see my website http://www.pd3em.com/?q=node/43
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[19:58] <Darkside> mm, in australia we limit power
[19:58] <Darkside> mainly
[19:58] <Elmar_PD3EM> here we do both LazyLeopard ....
[19:58] <Darkside> foundation licences have access to 80/40/15/10, but only 10W TX
[19:58] <Darkside> advanced has everything, but still only 400W PEP
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[19:58] <Elmar_PD3EM> That's not much for VK
[19:58] <LazyLeopard> There's a bit of both, but on the main HF bands it's basically power....
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[19:59] <Darkside> Elmar_PD3EM: yeah, we can apply for 1KW now
[19:59] <Elmar_PD3EM> although you can go around the globe with 3 watt
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[19:59] <Darkside> but i guess we have more space for antennas and things
[19:59] <Elmar_PD3EM> I've worked USA on 20m in phone with the FT-817 on 3 watt
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[20:00] <Elmar_PD3EM> Darkside: space is almost everything! But good ears and practice as well
[20:00] <Darkside> yeah
[20:00] <Darkside> i have trouble pulling voice out of noise
[20:00] <Elmar_PD3EM> it take some practise
[20:00] <Darkside> mm
[20:01] <Darkside> the codan manpack i often use has brilliant noise reduction
[20:01] <Darkside> far surpasses that in any amateur gear
[20:01] <Darkside> like, i thought my icom IC-7000's NR was good, until i used this radio
[20:01] <Darkside> and holy crap
[20:01] <Darkside> its WAY better
[20:01] <LazyLeopard> Heh. Worked Canada from Kenya with an 817 last year on 17 metres.
[20:01] <Elmar_PD3EM> I've worked some VK in phone with a CW bandwidth due to QRM ;-)
[20:02] <Elmar_PD3EM> thats also great LazyLeopard !!
[20:02] <Darkside> mm i've only done data on 17m
[20:02] <Darkside> olivia to korea
[20:03] <LazyLeopard> Guy at other end asked me to repeat my power three times, 'cos he didn't believe his ears...
[20:03] <Elmar_PD3EM> haha.. reat!
[20:03] <LazyLeopard> 12k kms roughly.
[20:03] <Elmar_PD3EM> great!
[20:03] <LazyLeopard> Not bad for SSB.
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[20:04] <Elmar_PD3EM> Most people don't believe you when you tell them you've worked around the globe with the power of a bicycle lightbulb!
[20:05] <fsphil> I've never had much luck with HF
[20:05] <Elmar_PD3EM> Why no fsphil ?
[20:05] <Darkside> fsphil: you have a noise problem tho
[20:05] <Elmar_PD3EM> no=not
[20:05] <Darkside> you can't hear them :P
[20:05] <fsphil> too much local noise
[20:05] <Elmar_PD3EM> owww that's bad luck...
[20:05] <fsphil> my car radio picks it up as soon as I park near my house
[20:06] <fsphil> so it's very near but I can't tell what it is
[20:06] <griffonbot> @Justinmar61: That was clutch by robinson! #SFvsMin #cuSF [http://twitter.com/Justinmar61/status/249962876092178432]
[20:06] <fsphil> k
[20:06] <Darkside> make up a small moop and go DFing it
[20:06] <Elmar_PD3EM> sometimes I can give a station a s5/0 report due to the low noise level!
[20:06] <Darkside> loop*
[20:06] <griffonbot> Received email: Adrian Hicks "Re: [UKHAS] Conference 2012"
[20:06] <fsphil> small loop is a great idea
[20:07] <fsphil> the null of a loop is looking through it yea?
[20:07] <Darkside> yup
[20:08] <Darkside> 90 degrees to the plane of the loop
[20:08] <fsphil> will give that a go when I get home
[20:09] <Elmar_PD3EM> is it an idea to arrange a HAB sked on HF in the (near) future?
[20:10] <fsphil> not sure how they work but it would be interesting to try
[20:10] <fsphil> oooh, there's a thunderstorm not far from london
[20:11] <Elmar_PD3EM> fsphil: a sked is just a time and frequency some arrange to chat on HF
[20:11] <Elmar_PD3EM> thunder: http://europa.buienradar.nl/h.aspx?r=&jaar=2012&maand=09&uur=22&minuut=00&dag=23&lightning=1
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[20:11] <fsphil> like a net right, with multiple stations
[20:12] <Elmar_PD3EM> yep! that´s more or less the same
[20:12] <fsphil> I thought I heard thunder, that's why I checked the map
[20:12] <fsphil> but it's a noisy city so hard to tell
[20:12] <Darkside> haha
[20:12] <Darkside> QI is good
[20:14] <LazyLeopard> Something sneaking up the Channel (for thunderous values of sneaking, anyway).
[20:14] <Elmar_PD3EM> haha...
[20:15] Action: LazyLeopard checks www.blitzortung.org
[20:15] <Elmar_PD3EM> don´t stay outside or you´ll get soaken wet ;-)
[20:16] <Elmar_PD3EM> I have the blitzortung hardware here... just need to solder everything on the PCB's ;-)
[20:17] Action: LazyLeopard hasn't done more than open the door and look out all day. Soggy, it is...
[20:17] <Elmar_PD3EM> same here LazyLeopard ... as you cam see on my weatherstation http://www.geenweer.nl/
[20:19] <fsphil> I soldered mine up a few weeks ago Elmar_PD3EM
[20:19] <fsphil> though it's not all ocnnected
[20:19] <Elmar_PD3EM> nice fsphil !!
[20:19] <fsphil> the vlf amp is working, can hear all the clicks
[20:19] <fsphil> the controller is blinking so I assume it works :)
[20:20] <Elmar_PD3EM> Mine is still like this: http://twitter.yfrog.com/ocsjrekj
[20:22] <fsphil> yep, I remember that :)
[20:24] <Elmar_PD3EM> good memory!
[20:25] <fsphil> there is a loud noise at 15khz
[20:25] <fsphil> coming out of the amp
[20:25] <fsphil> not sure if it's local or an actual signal
[20:27] <Elmar_PD3EM> at 15 Kc ....?
[20:27] <fsphil> yea
[20:27] <fsphil> the antennas are quite directional so I guess I could DF it
[20:28] <Elmar_PD3EM> 15 Kc above the 7070?
[20:28] <Elmar_PD3EM> so 7085?
[20:28] <fsphil> nah, 15khz proper. this is from the VLF amp
[20:28] <Elmar_PD3EM> ahh... ok that sounds like local QRM
[20:29] <Elmar_PD3EM> and thats :-(
[20:29] <fsphil> nah, that's typical :)
[20:29] <LazyLeopard> fsphil: Do any SID monitoring with that?
[20:29] <fsphil> haven't LazyLeopard
[20:30] Action: LazyLeopard should get something to do that with...
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[20:31] <fsphil> I'd like to setup something like the websdr with the output of the vlf amp
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[20:32] <Elmar_PD3EM> ok guys... I'm off to bed... it's 10:30 pm and I'm awake since 6:30 after a short night of sleep at the ferry ;-)
[20:32] <Upu> night Elmar
[20:32] <Elmar_PD3EM> good night all
[20:33] <Elmar_PD3EM> 73
[20:33] <LazyLeopard> g'night earthshine ?
[20:33] <LazyLeopard> g'night Elmar_PD3EM
[20:33] <LazyLeopard> whooops... ;)
[20:33] <Upu> autocomplete ftw
[20:33] <Elmar_PD3EM> haha GN ;-)
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[20:33] <fsphil> nite!
[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, how was london?
[20:34] <Upu> awesome was a great time
[20:34] <Upu> you should have been there
[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> next year hopefully
[20:35] <Lunar_Lander> if I pass these exams coming up
[20:38] <earthshine> Goodnight LazyLeopard
[20:39] <SP9UOB> Goodnight all
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[20:43] <fsphil> landing after the highest ever descent: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fsphil/8016968816/in/photostream/
[20:43] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, I think we almost got the error
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil, YAY
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> the sputnik is a cheap plastic model
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> :(
[20:45] <Lunar_Lander> did they have the first stage of the Black Arrow too?
[20:46] <fsphil> they did, but my photo of that is a bit naff
[20:48] <fsphil> there was also a full size replica of a Lunar_Lander :)
[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> COOL!
[20:49] <fsphil> which is HUGE
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> YAY
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> was the Scout real or plastic?
[20:49] <fsphil> the scout is real I think
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:49] <LazyLeopard> fsphil: Where's that?
[20:49] <fsphil> science museum in london LazyLeopard
[20:49] <fsphil> great place
[20:50] <LazyLeopard> earthshine: Heh. Hit tab-complete and missed Elmar_PD3EM ;)
[20:50] <fsphil> they have the Apollo 10 Command Module which is really sweet
[20:50] <fsphil> the real one
[20:50] <LazyLeopard> Ah, right. They've added a bit since I was there last, then...
[20:50] <earthshine> :(
[20:50] <LazyLeopard> Yeah.
[20:51] <fsphil> and I think it was a real V2. If not real, then someone's put a lot of work into a model
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[20:51] <LazyLeopard> earthshine: He was vanishinng at that moment.
[20:51] <LazyLeopard> ...and I canna type this evening...
[20:51] <fsphil> and a rock from the moon which I forgot to photo
[20:52] <jonsowman> fsphil: this the science museum?
[20:52] <jonsowman> if so, the V2 is real
[20:52] <fsphil> it was
[20:52] <fsphil> excellent
[20:53] <fsphil> the engine is quite complex looking
[20:53] <jonsowman> yeah isn't it
[20:54] <fsphil> weird bit was the ACE computer, and in the next room was an Arduino
[20:54] <daveake> wot no pi ? :)
[20:54] <jonsowman> lol
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[20:54] <fsphil> it was being used to demo programming, but I thought it funny that this Arduino could almost certianly out perform the ACE
[20:55] <fsphil> and the ACE was the size of a car
[20:55] <daveake> I'm sure that would make an interesting payload ....
[20:55] Action: LazyLeopard presumes Pegasus is just sitting there these days...
[20:55] <fsphil> I did ponder that :)
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[20:56] <fsphil> there are mains sockets on the bottom, we'd need a really big battery...
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[20:57] <fsphil> and then four people dressed up as bugs ran around shouting "scuttle"
[20:57] <fsphil> so all round an interesting visit
[20:57] <fsphil> although they where outdone by the crazy guy on the bus home, who shouted "It's happening already" twice just as I sat down next to him
[20:58] <fsphil> then proceeded to read the paper
[20:58] Action: LazyLeopard wonedrs whether the Pi he ordered will turn up any time soon...
[20:59] <daveake> He thought you were a zombie?
[20:59] <fsphil> who'd you order it from LazyLeopard ?
[21:00] <fsphil> well I am quite pale, and I was hungry
[21:00] <LazyLeopard> Now you're asking...
[21:00] <fsphil> I ordered some from each supplier, and RS still haven't delievered
[21:00] <Lunar_Lander> what were the insect people for?
[21:00] <fsphil> CPC delivered it within 2 days
[21:00] <fsphil> I have no idea Lunar_Lander
[21:00] <fsphil> they didn't come back, or leave any clues :)
[21:00] <fsphil> but it was funny
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:03] <LazyLeopard> ...order confirmation came from rswww.com.
[21:03] <fsphil> aye, it'll be a while
[21:03] <fsphil> if you're in a hurry, just try farnell or cpc
[21:03] <fsphil> which technically are the same company
[21:04] <LazyLeopard> Nah. Be nice if it turns up before Xmas, but not in that much of a hurry otherwise...
[21:13] <Darkside> my badge is still going
[21:13] <Darkside> kind of
[21:13] <Darkside> it PWMs the LED brighter, then resets
[21:13] <Upu> yeah mine is sort of
[21:13] <Upu> its meant to be 1Hz
[21:13] <Upu> but its about 10
[21:13] <Darkside> heh
[21:13] <Darkside> its in a reboot loop
[21:13] <fsphil> what colour was your upu?
[21:13] <Darkside> turns the LED on, batt voltage drops, micro resets
[21:13] <Upu> duh pink
[21:14] <fsphil> ah, it looked purple and blue to my eyes. I thought it was a dual colour LED at first but the circuit isn't wired for that
[21:15] <Darkside> ooh WSPR code
[21:15] <Darkside> http://interface.khm.de/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/wspr_beacon_dds_dcf_f4.pde
[21:15] <Darkside> doubt you'd be able to get the frequency shifts reliably on a NTX2 :-)
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG84ugdm6Cc
[21:15] <fsphil> don't ever look at the wspr original source code :)
[21:16] <Darkside> fortran, right
[21:16] <fsphil> I can't do youtube Lunar_Lander
[21:16] <fsphil> some of it is fortran
[21:16] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:16] <fsphil> there's C++ and python mixed in there too
[21:16] <Lunar_Lander> oh now I get it
[21:16] <fsphil> it's a real mismash
[21:16] <Lunar_Lander> I thought you meant Youtube is fortran
[21:17] <Darkside> lol
[21:18] <LazyLeopard> fsphil: Add Java, Ruby, perl and a few other bits, and it'd begin to get close to a very vague approximation of the system at my last employer's....
[21:18] <daveake> PRINT *, 'XD'
[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> lol
[21:18] <fsphil> eek
[21:20] <LazyLeopard> ...not forgetting sh, csh, ksh, bash, tcsh, and any other variants you can think of...
[21:20] <fsphil> it's like they collected them
[21:20] <LazyLeopard> ...then stir in some CORBA/IDL.
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[21:21] <LazyLeopard> ...and I'm sure I'm still forgetting half of what was there.
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[21:47] <KyleYankan> Hey guys, has anyone here used the TinyTrak? I'm trying to get it to work on my Baofeng UV-5R, but for some reason, the local digipeaters can't decode it
[21:48] <KyleYankan> digipeaters/igate. It keys up, and transmits something that sounds like a AX.25 packet, and I'm all of 2 miles away from a digipeater... but it just doesn't hit it. Maybe once in awhile it does.
[21:49] <MrScienceMan> did you take a look at raw packets?
[21:50] <MrScienceMan> if the cordinates are all 0, it wont show up on the map
[21:50] <KyleYankan> I can't seem to get a software TNC working. I'm actually using a TinyPack firmware, so I know what the packets are I'm (supposedly) sending
[21:50] <KyleYankan> and I'm viewing raw packetson aprs.fi
[21:50] <Darkside> its possibly the deviation is set incorrectly
[21:50] <Darkside> not sure how to change that on the baofengs
[21:50] <Darkside> i guess you could try and alter the volume going into them
[21:51] <KyleYankan> the audio drive deviation? I know there's a audio drive potentiometer on the TinyTrack tht I've messed with non stop with no luck
[21:51] <Darkside> hrm
[21:51] <KyleYankan> the radio has a wide<->narrowband setting. I've been on wide. Maybe narrow is better?
[21:51] <Darkside> you have the path set right?
[21:51] <Darkside> wide should be correct
[21:51] <KyleYankan> Allow me to share the packet I've been sending via serial
[21:51] <KyleYankan> KB3LXF-5>CQ,WIDE1-1, WIDE2-2:!4101.75N/07544.89Wz KyleYankanich@gmail.com (Experimental)
[21:52] <KyleYankan> and also a status beacon failed
[21:52] <Darkside> hmm that should digipeat i think
[21:52] <Darkside> i dunno about putting CQ in the path
[21:52] <KyleYankan> Tried APRS too :-/
[21:52] <fsphil> I don't think that bit matters tbh
[21:52] <Lunar_Lander> hi KyleYankan you mean the TinyTrak like in the book by Paul Verhage?
[21:53] <KyleYankan> Lunar_Lander: Not sure which book you mean, I ordered this one from Byonics
[21:53] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:53] <Darkside> KyleYankan: try using just WIDE1-1,WIDE2-2
[21:53] <Lunar_Lander> there is a huge PDF about balloons at Parallax
[21:53] <Lunar_Lander> it mentions TinyTrak 3 I think
[21:53] <Darkside> though i think its your deviation thats the issue
[21:54] <Darkside> thats teh most common problem anyway
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[21:54] <KyleYankan> Googling it Lunar_Lander. I'm trying your suggestion now Darkside.
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> but the tech in it is from around 2005 IIRC
[21:54] <KyleYankan> Any clue on how to check the deviation? I can record the transmission via a scanner
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> i.e. he recommends a 64 MB SD for the digital camera
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:54] <Darkside> KyleYankan: not without a deviation meter
[21:55] <Darkside> lower the volume input, then start increasing it
[21:55] <MrScienceMan> could the path be the a roblem?
[21:55] <Darkside> MrScienceMan: WIDE2-2 should digipeat
[21:55] <KyleYankan> I have a SDR that shows about 2mhz of bandwitch at once. I can plug it in later tonight to look at the bandwidth
[21:55] <Darkside> that doesn't tell you teh deviation exacrtly
[21:55] <MrScienceMan> Darkside: sure, but CQ ?
[21:55] <Darkside> not without putting in a SINAD tone
[21:55] <Darkside> MrScienceMan: yeah, im not sure what that does
[21:55] <MrScienceMan> I used APERXQ
[21:56] <Darkside> MrScienceMan: it depends on teh digileater
[21:56] <Darkside> digipeater
[21:56] <KyleYankan> ACtually, the few times it worked, I had CQ as the first path: KB3LXF-5>CQ,WIDE1-1, WIDE2-2:!4101.75N/07544.89Wz KyleYankanich@gmail.com (Experimental)
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[21:56] <KyleYankan> woops
[21:56] <Darkside> not all of them releat WIDE packets, which is a pain
[21:56] <MrScienceMan> KyleYankan: try chaning CQ for APERXQ
[21:56] <MrScienceMan> changing
[21:56] <MrScienceMan> where ma letters goin'
[21:56] <MrScienceMan> :D
[21:56] <Darkside> tbh id just remove it all together
[21:57] <KyleYankan> http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&call=KB3LXF&limit=5
[21:57] <KyleYankan> I removed the CQ portion of the path: No luck.
[21:57] <Darkside> then ite deviation
[21:57] <KyleYankan> Guess I'll sit down tonight and slowly move the volume potentiometer up until success?
[21:57] <Darkside> and thats going to be trial and error i think
[21:57] <Darkside> yup
[21:57] <KyleYankan> How long does it usually take for a packet to show up on aprs.fi?
[21:57] <MrScienceMan> instantly
[21:58] <MrScienceMan> almsot, but mostly
[21:58] <Darkside> KyleYankan: you should hear the digipeater repeat it
[21:58] <KyleYankan> Should make testing easier.
[21:58] <Darkside> immediately after you send the packet, it should rebroadcast it
[21:58] <MrScienceMan> digi != igate
[21:58] <MrScienceMan> :)
[21:58] <KyleYankan> OK, thanks for your help folks. I'm a little busy, but I'm going to sit down tonight and hammer this out.
[21:58] <Darkside> KyleYankan: is it a digi near you?
[21:58] <Darkside> or an igate
[21:58] <KyleYankan> I appreciate the problem solving
[21:59] <KyleYankan> Darkside: 2 digipeaters. one is 2 miles away, the other ~5
[21:59] <Darkside> k
[21:59] <MrScienceMan> there should be an igate nearby
[21:59] <KyleYankan> There's one within range of the digipeaters.
[21:59] <Darkside> KyleYankan: if you hit a digipeater, you should hear it rpeat the packet
[21:59] <Darkside> so listen with the scanner when you transmit
[21:59] <KyleYankan> ok, gotcha. I have't been hearing that. I'm on it tonight.
[21:59] <MrScienceMan> lets see how long would it take for the spam bots to pickup your email
[22:00] <MrScienceMan> from the raw packets :)
[22:00] <KyleYankan> Is that really an issue? lol.
[22:00] <Darkside> yes
[22:00] <KyleYankan> Well eff me.
[22:00] <Darkside> there are webpages that show the packe tinfo
[22:00] <Darkside> and if some spambot scraper gets that page, well, thts an email
[22:01] <MrScienceMan> dont worry
[22:01] <KyleYankan> Gotcha. I'll change it. Thanks for the help.
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> KyleYankan, you are from the USA?
[22:01] <MrScienceMan> just dont buy any pills from emails
[22:01] <MrScienceMan> :)
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:01] <Darkside> ok nn all
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> gn8 Darkside
[22:01] <MrScienceMan> nn
[22:01] <KyleYankan> Yep, sure am Lunar_Lander
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[22:02] <KyleYankan> Why do you ask?
[22:02] <Lunar_Lander> ah cause I never saw you before and I like to ask where people are from
[22:02] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[22:02] <Lunar_Lander> I'm from north western germany
[22:02] <KyleYankan> Gotcha. I'm just outside South Philadelphia, birthplace of the Cheesesteak :-)
[22:02] <Lunar_Lander> cool! :)
[22:03] <KyleYankan> I mean, freedom, liberty, idnepdencey, USofA also... but mostly cheesesteaks.
[22:03] <Lunar_Lander> and that's in north carolina https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKJTZwjvmj8&feature=plcp xD
[22:03] <Lunar_Lander> yeah :)
[22:03] <KyleYankan> Wow, I typoed hard there.
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[22:05] <KyleYankan> Oof, that was a hard hit
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[22:06] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:06] <Lunar_Lander> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgreeUKQOts&feature=plcp
[22:09] <KyleYankan> I can't feel bad. That's just bad planning
[22:09] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:11] <natrium42> hello kevin
[22:12] <natrium42> d'oh
[22:17] <Lunar_Lander> hello natrium42
[22:18] <DrLuke> does the length of the groundplane-wires on a groundplane antenna matter?
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[22:19] <natrium42> Lunar_Lander: how is your tracker?
[22:19] <Lunar_Lander> quite OK, I think the software error is almost worked out
[22:19] <daveake> launching soon then?
[22:19] <Lunar_Lander> DrLuke, my groundplane wire was also a lambda/4
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[22:20] <Lunar_Lander> yeah hopefully, my teammates asked me
[22:20] <Lunar_Lander> "do you think we are done the end of october?"
[22:20] <Lunar_Lander> I said "yes"
[22:20] <daveake> I might come over
[22:20] <daveake> It'll be an event :D
[22:20] <simrun> DrLuke, the idea is to simulate a ground plane extending to infinity, but i guess extending will give diminishing returns. I don't know the maths
[22:20] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:21] <natrium42> daveake:  _ 
[22:21] <natrium42> <3
[22:21] <daveake> I see squares
[22:21] <natrium42> your unicode is broken then
[22:21] <natrium42> it was the look of disapproval :D
[22:22] <daveake> it is
[22:23] <natrium42> daveake: this might work http://imgur.com/wxmL6
[22:24] <Lunar_Lander> oh check that out
[22:24] <Lunar_Lander> the one guy says the bus has a H2 tank on the roof https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEWR1Jjeck4&feature=plcp
[22:24] <KyleYankan> http://imgur.com/wxmL6
[22:24] <daveake> I have enough cats here
[22:25] <DrLuke> alrighty
[22:26] <DrLuke> soldered a coax to my ntx2 :)
[22:26] <Lunar_Lander> what do you think about that?
[22:29] <Lunar_Lander> the hydrogen bus I mean
[22:30] <DrLuke> http://i49.tinypic.com/zn7k93.jpg
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[22:30] <DrLuke> the shielding is a bit messy
[22:31] <KyleYankan> Beauty
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[22:32] <DrLuke> :)
[22:33] <DrLuke> I'll also solder the resistors directly onto the pins
[22:33] <KyleYankan> heatshrink is your friend. Overuse is always better, IMHO
[22:34] <DrLuke> thanks, I totally forgot about our friend heatshrink
[22:34] <DrLuke> I was about to just tape it with white tape
[22:35] <daveake> heatshrink is better - more physical support
[22:35] <DrLuke> yep
[22:35] <DrLuke> I absolutely agree
[22:35] <KyleYankan> Indeed. I would of heatshrnked the center coductor to the coax, then a larger pieces over the whole thing
[22:35] <daveake> I got some stuff that has glue inside. That's pretty strong
[22:36] <DrLuke> yeah, I also have a bag of them, but they're too small
[22:36] <DrLuke> kyleyankan: I don't think that's necessary, it's pretty stiff already
[22:36] <KyleYankan> Fair enough DrLuke. Like I said, I over heat shrink.
[22:36] <DrLuke> the ntx2 pins are quite beautiful
[22:36] <DrLuke> :)
[22:36] <DrLuke> gotta save the weight mate!
[22:37] <DrLuke> ah damn it
[22:37] <DrLuke> I always forget to hold the piece I am about to cut off
[22:37] <DrLuke> it flew across the entire room
[22:39] <DrLuke> hmm, my biggest size doesn't fit over the solder blob
[22:44] <KyleYankan> Hey, one more question. My radio has a wide and narrowband mode. I've been on wideband. That's appropriate, right?
[22:46] <DrLuke> I think you want narrowband
[22:46] <DrLuke> not an expert though :)
[22:50] <jonsowman> yep, narrow
[22:50] <jonsowman> assuming you're listening to RTTY or APRS or something
[22:50] <KyleYankan> Transmitting APRS
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[22:50] <jonsowman> narrowband FM is 25kHz
[22:52] <DrLuke> the engineers who made the ntx2 put quite some thought into placing the crystal externally
[22:52] <DrLuke> I like that
[22:53] <jonsowman> the NTX2 is an amazing bit of design
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[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> train trestle is a funny word
[23:04] <DrLuke> what exactly is the resistor in series good for?
[23:04] <DrLuke> the other 2 obviously are a voltage divider
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[23:11] <AlephHaz> the 20K/10K one?
[23:14] <DrLuke> yeah
[23:16] <AlephHaz> i'm assuming it helps keep the voltage shift to 0.25V
[23:17] <AlephHaz> i've literally just set up mine today
[23:17] <AlephHaz> just need the GPS module and i should have a working tracker
[23:20] <DrLuke> hold on a second, the ntx2 has a cmos logic input, why should the voltage shift be kept so small?
[23:20] <AlephHaz> to control the frequency shift
[23:21] <AlephHaz> keeps it at ~500Hz which is apparently recommended for some reason
[23:21] <DrLuke> oh I see
[23:21] <DrLuke> with the full voltage range it will swing by 25kHz
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[23:37] <AlephHaz> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:ntx2
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