highaltitude.log.20120922

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[00:56] <DrLuke> http://www.mikrocontroller.net/attachment/155279/IMAG1153.jpg
[00:56] <DrLuke> that's some burnt in image right there
[00:59] <SpeedEvil> http://twitter.yfrog.com/0wusutopshpepnbpmodbgnosz
[00:59] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
[00:59] <SpeedEvil> spacex grasshopper first flight
[01:00] <SpeedEvil> (though admittedly you could jump higher)
[01:00] <Lunar_Lander> good night!
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[02:04] <griffonbot> Received email: Mike Willis "RE: [UKHAS] Re: Remote tracking of payloads"
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[05:06] <Laurenceb_> hi
[05:06] <Laurenceb_> cya all soon
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[05:10] <natrium42> Laurenceb_: see you on the webcast :)
[05:10] <Laurenceb_> heh :P
[05:11] <natrium42> you're the guy with the paper bag over your head, right?
[05:11] <natrium42> :P
[05:16] <Laurenceb_> hehe
[05:32] <eroomde> 6.30 on a saturday
[05:32] <eroomde> resent
[05:34] Action: Laurenceb_ sets off
[05:34] <Laurenceb_> cya
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[06:09] <griffonbot> @willduckworth: I'm on the train... looking forward to the #ukhas conference today [http://twitter.com/willduckworth/status/249389951576338432]
[06:12] <daveake> Ha. Just saw this on FB from a friend who I can only assume has bought himself a new phone ...
[06:12] <daveake> Good morning this is so much easier with Syria
[06:12] <daveake> Like · · Yesterday at 06:28 via iOS ·
[06:24] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: Waiting to catch a train to the #UKHAS conference! [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/249393597311508480]
[06:27] <eroomde> on bus
[06:27] <eroomde> sleepy
[06:29] <eroomde> hoping there is coffee at the venue
[06:30] <eroomde> nice sunrise over misty oxfordshire though
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[07:04] <fsphil> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19683687
[07:04] <fsphil> typically I would have seen this at home :p
[07:06] <fsphil> actually looks like a satellite breaking up
[07:06] <fsphil> rather than a meteor
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[07:17] <Upu_London> morning all
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[07:24] <eroomde> hhhmorning Upu_London
[07:24] <eroomde> please can there be coffe
[07:24] <eroomde> please
[07:24] <Upu_London> juices!
[07:24] <eroomde> coffee is a juice
[07:24] <Upu_London> I'd probably grab one on the way in
[07:25] <eroomde> of an important bean
[07:25] <eroomde> ok
[07:25] <AndroUser> ginger beer?
[07:25] <eroomde> get out
[07:25] Nick change: AndroUser -> daveake
[07:25] <Upu_London> haha
[07:26] <daveake> Here comes the Dark train
[07:26] <eroomde> i'm just past hillingdon
[07:26] <eroomde> headings towards shepards bush
[07:27] <Upu_London> found Darkside yet daveake ?
[07:27] <Upu_London> oh burgundy was the tasting last night eroomde
[07:28] <eroomde> Upu_London: oh nice
[07:28] <eroomde> a particuar village?
[07:28] <Upu_London> A few very close to each other
[07:28] <eroomde> or rather, any village in particular u liked?
[07:28] <eroomde> they're all close to each other :)
[07:29] <Upu_London> my nose and taste don't have the resolution for being able to tell the difference
[07:29] <Upu_London> apart from one which smelt of burnt rubber imo
[07:29] <eroomde> well, if you had any of beaune or mersault or savigny of aloxe-corton, that's where our stuff is
[07:29] <Upu_London> I have the list here
[07:29] <eroomde> s/of/or
[07:30] <Upu_London> I decided last night that nice wines like this are wasted on me
[07:30] <daveake> Found Darkside? No I'm hiding from him ...
[07:30] <Darkside> oh
[07:30] <Darkside> lol
[07:31] <Darkside> hi daveake
[07:31] <eroomde> Upu_London: keep at it :)
[07:31] <Upu_London> if you two are next to each other...
[07:31] <eroomde> you just need the right pairing of good beef and good red
[07:31] <Darkside> we're in different carriages
[07:31] <Upu_London> there are little doors Darkside between the carriages in the UK
[07:31] <Darkside> i know
[07:32] <Upu_London> don't know if you have those in Oz
[07:32] <Upu_London> being silly btw I know you don't have trains
[07:32] <eroomde> easier to talk via irc anyway
[07:32] <eroomde> meatspace not efficient
[07:32] <Darkside> lol
[07:32] <Darkside> yup
[07:32] <Upu_London> meatspace lol
[07:32] <Darkside> tho phone reception will be patchy
[07:33] <Darkside> daveake: there are heaps of free seats back here thho
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[07:33] <Darkside> im not in my booked seat
[07:33] <eroomde> booked seat
[07:33] <eroomde> lol
[07:33] <daveake> Nor me
[07:34] <Darkside> FIGHT THE POWAH
[07:34] <daveake> Family w/2yyr old needed the table
[07:35] <Darkside> mm
[07:36] <Darkside> sosme yuppies already had my table..
[07:36] <eroomde> you should have gone up to them
[07:36] <eroomde> 'JUST PLAY IT A BLOODY WAV FILE'
[07:36] <eroomde> and they'd have moved
[07:36] <Darkside> but there were so many free seats i didnt care
[07:37] <Darkside> eroomde: ill say that in my tal
[07:37] <Darkside> just for you
[07:37] <eroomde> good
[07:37] <eroomde> thanks
[07:38] <daveake> Finished your slides?
[07:38] <Darkside> yeah
[07:38] <eroomde> daveake: doing them now
[07:38] <daveake> I made some chsnges yesterfay
[07:39] <daveake> Added a joke
[07:39] <eroomde> oh god
[07:39] <Darkside> daveake: are there many non-reserved seats in your carriage?
[07:39] <daveake> Not many
[07:40] <daveake> 1 next to me
[07:40] <eroomde> this is like one of those will-they/won't-they hollywood films
[07:40] <daveake> Lol
[07:40] <Darkside> eroomde: shut it, you
[07:41] <eroomde> that's such a samatha thing to say
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[07:41] <Darkside> noo
[07:41] <daveake> HABback mountain
[07:41] <Darkside> reading?
[07:41] <daveake> It is
[07:41] <Darkside> yep
[07:41] <Darkside> reading
[07:43] <Darkside> next stop, london
[07:43] <Darkside> i think
[07:43] <daveake> Yep
[07:44] <eroomde> ah, asking each other what they're reading
[07:44] <eroomde> you'll find you have so much in common
[07:44] <daveake> It wo.
[07:45] <daveake> It won't last. He'll fly off somewhere
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[07:45] <daveake> Cut me away
[07:45] <Darkside> lol
[07:46] <Darkside> like a teddy under a parachute
[07:46] <eroomde> when habby met hammy
[07:47] <Darkside> daveake: i cut you away so you can rise fasrer
[07:47] <daveake> Talking dirty to me already?
[07:48] <Darkside> lol
[07:48] <eroomde> oh god i need a coffee
[07:48] <eroomde> jesus wept
[07:48] <Darkside> hahaha
[07:48] <gonzo_> would that be the kindest cut of all?
[07:50] <daveake> After he strung me along so much?
[07:50] Action: Darkside goes backbto his Aphex Twin
[07:50] <eroomde> he's put you under so much tension
[07:50] <eroomde> you could burst
[07:51] <daveake> I'm going to be so deflated
[07:53] <daveake> He just wanted to tie me up
[07:54] <eroomde> he'll strap on his latex and take you into the clouds
[07:54] <Darkside> ...
[07:54] <eroomde> i've stopped now
[07:55] <Darkside> yeah
[07:55] <Darkside> i think that last one was on tye line
[07:55] <eroomde> tye line?
[07:55] <daveake> He said he was a gas, but he wasn't noble
[07:55] <eroomde> he was a lightweight
[07:56] <daveake> We didn't bond
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[07:57] <Darkside> heh, plane to the right appears stationary
[07:57] <eroomde> it's cos it's landed
[07:57] <daveake> Yeah I thought that
[07:57] <Darkside> heh
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[07:58] <eroomde> right at victoria
[07:58] <eroomde> gtg
[07:58] <eroomde> next stop conf
[07:58] <Darkside> cya
[07:59] <kokey> nice day for a launch
[08:00] <daveake> No, left
[08:01] <griffonbot> @AnthonyStirk: #ukhas 2012 if you can see this turn around http://t.co/HJpXc68a [http://twitter.com/AnthonyStirk/status/249418223416655872]
[08:06] <Darkside> heh
[08:06] <MrScienceMan> lul
[08:08] <Darkside> well we're almost at paddington
[08:09] <griffonbot> @adamgreig: Not the smoothest start to the morning but now aboard my train to #ukhas 2012 :D #nobreakfast #norailcard #nooyster #nokindle [http://twitter.com/adamgreig/status/249420167883403264]
[08:09] <Darkside> ouch
[08:11] <kokey> breakfast, that's a good point
[08:11] <Darkside> wat
[08:12] <Darkside> train stopped
[08:12] <Darkside> not at the station either
[08:13] <Darkside> there we go...
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[08:13] <kokey> ok, i'm off to catch my train in
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[08:23] <jcoxon> hey all
[08:23] <jcoxon> to get into the building need to go round the other side
[08:23] <griffonbot> @AnthonyStirk: #UKHAS 2012 Sorry ignore previous you need to come round the opposite side and buzz in [http://twitter.com/AnthonyStirk/status/249423742525136896]
[08:25] <griffonbot> @Morseman: RT @AnthonyStirk: #UKHAS 2012 Sorry ignore previous you need to come round the opposite side and buzz in <Unless the wind changes... :-) [http://twitter.com/Morseman/status/249424229446086656]
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[08:31] <UpuWork> sorry about that
[08:31] <UpuWork> the main door is shut at weekends
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[08:33] <kokey> heh, vehicle struck train bridge, so seems like I'm going to be held up too
[08:35] Action: DanielRichman is arriving into waterloo
[08:39] <kokey> only leaving watford junction now, slow running train
[08:40] <kokey> opposite side of what?
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[08:44] <DanielRichman> hurrah for free tube wifi
[08:49] <griffonbot> @Morseman: The #UKHAS conference will be streamed live on http://t.co/pq7nYJia later [http://twitter.com/Morseman/status/249430231113404416]
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[09:02] <G0DJA> All around the country pilots and ATC are wondering why no NOTAMs this weekend...
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[09:03] <griffonbot> @Morseman: #ukhas All around the country pilots and ATC are wondering why no NOTAMs this weekend... [http://twitter.com/Morseman/status/249433795093217280]
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[09:12] <jcoxon> is teh stream working?
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[09:15] <fsphil> we is here
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[09:22] <Randomskk> oh hi
[09:27] <DanielRichman> gasp.
[09:28] <Randomskk> eduroam works :D
[09:28] Action: DanielRichman is jelly
[09:28] <Darkside> :D
[09:29] <Darkside> yep
[09:29] <fsphil> strawberry jelly?
[09:29] <Randomskk> eduroam is the best :D
[09:29] <Darkside> wait, Randomskk is here?
[09:29] <Darkside> ohi
[09:29] <Darkside> i see
[09:29] <Randomskk> evidently Darkside
[09:29] <Randomskk> hello
[09:29] <DanielRichman> we're sitting in the same room conversing via IRC
[09:29] <Darkside> yep
[09:29] <fsphil> hiya Darkside
[09:29] <Darkside> sup fsphil
[09:29] <Darkside> hows life on that end of the bench
[09:30] <fsphil> busy with all the really cool stuff we have over here
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[09:31] <jonsowman> woo irc
[09:31] <jonsowman> silly phones
[09:32] <Randomskk> we're too far to chat otherwise
[09:32] <Randomskk> irc works fine
[09:32] <fsphil> also I don't know anyones names :p
[09:32] <Randomskk> DanielRichman: discovered your lecture timetable then?
[09:32] <jonsowman> yes
[09:32] <Randomskk> or lack thereof anyway
[09:32] <Randomskk> fsphil: that's what the badges are for!
[09:32] <DanielRichman> Randomskk: I failed to use the website
[09:32] <DanielRichman> it's a bit slow on 3g
[09:32] <jonsowman> its a bit slow full stop
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[09:33] <fsphil> there's some bloke here who's badge has a blinding light on it, dunno who he is :)
[09:33] <Randomskk> my eduroam is quite snappy
[09:33] <DanielRichman> got the pdf though. Nothing at 9am
[09:33] <DanielRichman> unlike simrun
[09:33] <jonsowman> lucky sod
[09:33] <Randomskk> haha
[09:33] <Randomskk> mathmos
[09:33] <Randomskk> my friend had nothing until 10 in first year either
[09:33] <Randomskk> worked out great as we were sharing a shower
[09:33] <Randomskk> and I had 9ams every single day
[09:33] <Randomskk> >.>
[09:34] <DanielRichman> who has 9am every day
[09:34] <Randomskk> on the other hand, ha ha, you have saturday lectures
[09:34] <DanielRichman> *simrun has
[09:34] <jonsowman> lol shower buddies
[09:34] <Randomskk> so does simrun
[09:34] <Randomskk> I have no saturdays ever, pro part of being engineering
[09:34] <jonsowman> yay cued
[09:39] <Hix> Upu_London, the bitrate seems to be to low for audio and I'm pretty sure it's on a loop of about 30 secs at the moment
[09:39] <Hix> *too
[09:39] <Randomskk> hmmm laptop battery
[09:40] <fsphil> is it still working Hix?
[09:40] <x-f> audio is ok now, at least for me
[09:41] <Hix> better now fsphil
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[09:47] <griffonbot> @eneylon: @tonyhammond bet you'd rather be at the #ukhas #highaltitude conference - back of name badge shown http://t.co/c1XMtMPW [http://twitter.com/eneylon/status/249444727685013504]
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[09:54] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[09:54] <natrium42> yo
[09:57] <fsphil> evening
[10:00] <natrium42> camera can't focus onto jcoxon
[10:00] <natrium42> :D
[10:03] <fsphil> he's too stealthy
[10:03] <fsphil> he even blended into the background
[10:06] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[10:06] <Lunar_Lander> LIKE A BUS!
[10:09] <fsphil> quiet you :p
[10:09] <chalcy0n> is there a way to get the freq from a balloon in dl-fldigi?
[10:10] <chalcy0n> I only see the baud rate and shift..
[10:11] <Randomskk> only if your dl-fldigi is connected to the radio via rig control
[10:11] <Randomskk> well
[10:11] <Randomskk> the audio frequency you can get
[10:11] <Randomskk> it's marked on the waterfall
[10:11] <Randomskk> or double click on the waterfall
[10:14] <chalcy0n> Randomskk: so can we just say all balloons are sending on 434mHz? Or is there a list?
[10:15] <Randomskk> ?
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[10:17] <chalcy0n> sorry, I'm new to this :)....I have a RTL-SDR and want to listen to a Payload...I know the freq. from my own payload but what about the rest?
[10:18] <Randomskk> oh, right
[10:18] <Randomskk> usually people tell you
[10:18] <Randomskk> in the email announcement
[10:18] <Randomskk> and dl-fldigi knows about it
[10:18] <chalcy0n> ah ok :)
[10:18] <chalcy0n> thanks
[10:20] <DanielRichman> it will also be on the calendar
[10:20] <chalcy0n> DanielRichman: yes I see :) nice..
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[10:27] <bertrik> chalcy0n: what kind of setup (antenna / amp) do you have, or plan to have for that?
[10:28] <Hix> I see eroomde is demonstrating the jettle principle
[10:31] <Randomskk> not actually a pulsejet sadly
[10:32] <chalcy0n> bertrik: at the moment I'm using a basic whip antenna but will be using a yagi for long range
[10:36] <Hix> what did ed say the sample rate of the logger was?
[10:37] <Lunar_Lander> wait.
[10:37] <Randomskk> 200kHz per channel
[10:37] <Randomskk> 8ch or something
[10:37] <Randomskk> 16bit
[10:37] <Randomskk> iirc
[10:37] <Lunar_Lander> wasn't it said that for the RTL-SDR you need an extra radio?
[10:38] <Hix> 200kHz, nice
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[10:40] <natrium42> bad focus is back, lol
[10:41] <fsphil> he's a cameleon
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[10:43] <fsphil> nice room this
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[10:47] <Hix> audio screwed on streamng
[10:49] <natrium42> should've used ustream
[10:50] <natrium42> audio is back
[10:50] <Hix> woo hoo legible
[10:51] <fsphil> hopefully tyhe recordings will be fine
[10:52] <fsphil> there was nowhere for me to setup my HD camera this time
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[10:54] <UKHAS> Hi
[10:54] <UKHAS> sorry about the streaming
[10:54] <UKHAS> the location blocked RTP going out
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[10:56] <griffonbot> @jgrahamc: At the #ukhas annual conference talking balloons, rockets and radios. http://t.co/iDPtXlKr [http://twitter.com/jgrahamc/status/249462266905374720]
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[10:58] <griffonbot> @jamescoxon: RT @jgrahamc: At the #ukhas annual conference talking balloons, rockets and radios. http://t.co/iDPtXlKr [http://twitter.com/jamescoxon/status/249462732796076032]
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[11:05] <natrium42> lol, Upu :')
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[11:06] <UKHAS> :)
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[11:09] <Hix> sounds buggered again
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[11:10] <SamSilver> yip here too
[11:10] <SamSilver> and back
[11:12] <natrium42> inception
[11:14] <UKHAS> sorry just getting ready for next one
[11:16] <fsphil> talk amongst yourselves :)
[11:16] <Hix> is there and ajenda anywhere?
[11:17] <Hix> ahh http://ukhas.org.uk/general:ukhasconference2012
[11:18] <Willienl> ola anyone from holland here ?
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[11:20] <Willienl> was checking for baloons example national weather released one a hour ago but think someone is jamming the signal :S
[11:20] <Willienl> at 403,200 MHz a 5KHz wide signal sounds like tx without modulation :(
[11:21] <fsphil> it's unusual to get noise around those frequencies
[11:21] <fsphil> it could be something local?
[11:21] <Willienl> well we have a new radar thingy at the haven here :S
[11:22] <fsphil> still would be surprised if they broadcast over the sondes frequences, they're an international standard
[11:22] <Willienl> and every time i try to receive 70cm amateurs or 2 meter band i receive blank signals without modulation just silent at -20~-30 dB
[11:22] <Willienl> fsphil: well ever seen a radar thing rotate like a wind mill ?
[11:23] <fsphil> urg, could be overloading your receiver
[11:23] <fsphil> you might need a filter
[11:23] <Willienl> i dunno what it is but they transmit grids about 1MHz wide with spikes at -25dB at 1 km distance :S
[11:23] <Willienl> fsphil: yes local pager networks and other stuff overload my receiver rtl_sdr with fitipower fc0013 tuner chip thats over sensitive on a telescope whip antenna :(
[11:24] <fsphil> all the sdr dongles are not good at handling loud RF sources
[11:24] <Willienl> still unsure how to filter this on a 50~900MHz receiver :(
[11:24] <fsphil> mine is deaf without filtering
[11:24] <Willienl> no you can adjust the gain down to -60dB :)
[11:24] <Willienl> instaid f +60dB amplify noise
[11:24] <fsphil> bbl
[11:25] <Willienl> ok havefun
[11:25] <fsphil> if you're wondering why it's quiet, there's a conference going on :)
[11:25] <fsphil> http://ukhas.org.uk/general:ukhasconference2012
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[11:27] <Willienl> hmm well i'm still trying to receive the national weather baloons here that are released twice a day but mosthly i mis the time or can't receive a thing due rf noise
[11:28] <Willienl> all all gone to the UK :)
[11:30] <Willienl> fsphil: also we have trunked radio networks near by from 420 going up some of those are received at multiple locations :(
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[11:37] <UKHAS> any questions for John ?
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[11:38] <Hix> UKHAS, can you use EEPROM to write to saving SD coming loose etc?
[11:38] <Darkside> eeprom not big enough
[11:38] <Darkside> not on most AVRs anyway
[11:38] <natrium42> solde the sd :)
[11:39] <natrium42> +r
[11:39] <Hix> a separate chip
[11:39] <Hix> sodder ;p
[11:39] <Darkside> Hix: sure, but a sd card is basically a big eeprom :-)
[11:39] <jonsowman> FRAM perhaps
[11:39] <Hix> just thinking it could come loose and a chip is tiny so could be on a small board
[11:39] <Darkside> sure
[11:39] <Darkside> you can get really big flash chips
[11:40] <Darkside> and you could do that
[11:40] <Darkside> then you'd need a bit of code to dump the data, but thats easy too
[11:40] <Darkside> i did that once, had a 32mbit flash chip
[11:40] <Darkside> never ended up using it
[11:41] <Darkside> micronut v1 has a space for one
[11:41] <Hix> worth looking at though. might play with the idea whaen i can actually code :)
[11:41] <Darkside> but yeah, never used
[11:41] <Darkside> mm
[11:41] <Darkside> sd cards are pretty reliable
[11:41] <Darkside> takes a lot of force to knock out a microsd card
[11:41] <Darkside> they lock in really well
[11:41] <Hix> spose hot glue would be good enough
[11:41] <Darkside> you dont want that tho
[11:41] <Darkside> you want to get it out after
[11:41] <Hix> only a wee blob
[11:42] <Darkside> mm
[11:42] <Hix> comes off with scalpel easily enough
[11:42] <Darkside> but still, uSD card holders are really string
[11:42] <Darkside> strong
[11:42] <Darkside> just check the code, so it doesn't break if the card does come loose! :D
[11:42] <Hix> yup
[11:42] <Hix> have they got ginger beer for you @linch?
[11:42] <Hix> lunch
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[11:51] <DrLuke> morning
[11:53] <Hix> hi DrLuke
[11:53] <DrLuke> aww the stream is hard to understand :/
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[11:54] <Hix> yeah it falls over a bit
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[12:17] <UKHAS> Any questions for Dave & Phil let me know
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[12:19] <number10> UKHAS: I missed phils bit - did he give an idea of the size of the ssdv code?
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[12:34] <Hix> any advice on getting Arduino to fire up in Xubuntu? updated java-jre and disabled brltty
[12:34] <Hix> then i get this http://pastebin.com/uBHx8yjR
[12:34] <nosebleedkt> hi
[12:34] <Hix> hi nosebleedkt
[12:35] <nosebleedkt> i have a question!
[12:35] <nosebleedkt> like always
[12:35] <nosebleedkt> the GSM antenna
[12:35] <nosebleedkt> has that black cover on it
[12:35] <nosebleedkt> but the real antenna is a wire inside
[12:36] <nosebleedkt> does this black rubber thing has any effect on the signal?
[12:36] <nosebleedkt> Im thinking of removing it
[12:36] <KT5TK> Just a minor effect.
[12:36] <KT5TK> Try it. If it works, it's ok
[12:36] <DrLuke> Not an expert, but maybe it's what holds the wire together?
[12:37] <KT5TK> It's mainly a mechanical protection
[12:38] <nosebleedkt> ehh
[12:39] <nosebleedkt> I think it does nothing
[12:39] <nosebleedkt> just protecting the wire from real world
[12:40] <nosebleedkt> Randomskk, SpeedEvil
[12:40] <nosebleedkt> any suggestions?
[12:42] <KT5TK> Since air has a different relative dielectric value than plastic, it may have a slight change of the resonance frequency, but Likely this change is minor.
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[12:46] <nosebleedkt> resonance freq?
[12:49] <Lunar_Lander> xD real world
[12:50] <BrainDamage> nosebleedkt: antennas have frequencies they best work in, they make resonator structures at those frequencies
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[12:55] <Hix> can anyone explain wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32 (Possible cause: architecture word width mismatch)
[12:56] <Hix> i get it when I try to ./arduino
[12:56] <Hix> in 0022 and 0023
[12:56] <KT5TK> 32 bit vs 64 bit maybe?
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[12:58] <Hix> pretty sure I installed 32 bit Xubuntu how to confirm?
[12:58] <KT5TK> try: file ./arduino
[12:59] <Hix> i meant check os
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[12:59] <KT5TK> that returns the file type info
[13:00] <Hix> hix@Hix-ThinkPad-X201:~/arduino-0023$ file ./arduino
[13:00] <Hix> ./arduino: POSIX shell script, ASCII text executable
[13:00] <KT5TK> likely ./arduino is just a batch starter script, so you need to find the actual executable
[13:00] <KT5TK> edit ./arduino in a text editor
[13:00] <KT5TK> and see what it launches
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[13:06] <IRC_ukhas> Just got interviewed by HAB's nascent press corp :-)
[13:10] <Darkside> oh yeah
[13:10] <Darkside> i need to find the register guy
[13:10] <fsphil> mmm no onions. nice
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[13:15] <fsphil> there is someone playing guitar just outside
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[13:17] <DrLuke> somebody fix the stream or something
[13:17] <Darkside> its off i think
[13:17] <Darkside> anthony is going to fix it
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[13:18] <Hix> with the mallet?
[13:18] <fsphil> and a bbq
[13:18] <Darkside> the bloody bbq
[13:18] <Darkside> its like i'm in australia again
[13:18] <Darkside> didnt realise you guys had bbqs
[13:18] <fsphil> yea, with the sun and stuff
[13:18] <Hix> mmm bbq
[13:19] Action: Hix 's stomach rumbles
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[13:21] <Hix> there's a s tr eam
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[13:22] <Upu_Conf> stream back up
[13:23] <Hix> ish very blocky Upu_Conf
[13:23] <Upu_Conf> wireless is choppy as hell here
[13:24] <Hix> there's some amusing exorcist style sounds :D
[13:25] <Upu_Conf> thats the baby
[13:25] <fsphil> view the swift payload had during the talk, rotated: http://i.imgur.com/5zOqE.png
[13:28] <Upu_Conf> how is stream now ?
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[13:30] <DrLuke> audio still suffers under the compression
[13:30] <DrLuke> maybe try ustream?
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[13:32] <Hix> Upu_Conf, it's improved, though still weak
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[13:35] <Upu_Conf> limited to what I can do really sorry
[13:36] <fsphil> my 3g through the phone is a it limited too sadly
[13:36] <Darkside> eduroam ftw
[13:36] <Upu_Conf> we did ask for bandwidth, and no restrictions and radio mikes
[13:37] <Hix> np Upu_Conf
[13:38] <fsphil> eduroam?
[13:38] <Darkside> fsphil: uni stuff
[13:38] <Darkside> if you have an account at a uni, you can usually log on elsewhere
[13:39] <fsphil> aaaahs
[13:39] Action: Gadget-Mac wanders in
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[13:41] <fsphil> poor ed
[13:41] <Darkside> ?
[13:42] <fsphil> james called him grumpy
[13:42] <Darkside> oh lol
[13:42] <fsphil> and everyone laughed ;)
[13:43] <Darkside> ahh
[13:48] <number10> raises hand
[13:48] <Darkside> heh
[13:48] <Upu_Conf> noted :)
[13:49] <fsphil> oi, don't hold my hand
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[13:53] <number10> wet nylon
[13:53] <Hix> ffs arduino is utter shite in unix too
[13:54] <Darkside> we did the calcs once to try and work out whether a bit of AWG28 would vaporise and have its path of ionised air dissipat ebefore the circuit would reclose
[13:55] <Darkside> on a 275kv transmission line, this is
[13:55] <Hix> Upus proven RTTY tutorial will not compile, does so in windows 0022 but unix 0022 will not have it...
[13:55] <Darkside> problem is, when they trip, they reclose within milliseconds
[13:55] <fsphil> it uses java
[13:55] <Darkside> and the path ofionised air is still there
[13:55] <fsphil> (arduino)
[13:56] <Hix> is java the cause of it's inherent shiteness
[13:57] <fsphil> some of it
[13:57] <fsphil> but not all
[13:57] <BrainDamage> Hix: you don't really need the arduino ide, you only need the gcc compile options and avrdude commands
[13:57] <BrainDamage> make 2 scripts, and you can use any ide
[13:57] <Hix> what can I use to compile and upload to arduino in xubuntu? Eclipse looks like a pretty involved to set up
[13:57] <Hix> ahh ok, got more info pls?
[13:59] <BrainDamage> something like this should work to flash avrdud e -p m328p -b 115200 -c arduino -P /dev/ttyACM0 -v
[13:59] <BrainDamage> obv 328 is the micro type
[13:59] <BrainDamage> and ttyACM0 is the virtual serial port
[14:00] <BrainDamage> I can't test since I don't have an arduino since a while
[14:00] <Hix> ok, thanks
[14:01] <Hix> http://www.rock7mobile.com/
[14:02] <Hix> Bundle per Credit Bundle Price
[14:02] <Hix> 50 Credits £ 0.12 £ 6.00
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[14:07] <number10> is that double sided Upu_Conf ?
[14:07] <Darkside> yes number10
[14:07] <number10> ta
[14:08] <Darkside> i make all my pcbs through him
[14:08] <Darkside> micronuts, osiris boards
[14:08] <Darkside> so on
[14:08] <Darkside> all through there
[14:08] <Hix> http://www.hackvana.com/
[14:08] <number10> sounds reasonable cost
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[14:08] <Hix> mitch@hackvana.com
[14:10] <Darkside> or mjd@hackvana.com
[14:10] <Darkside> both work i think
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[14:16] <Hix> zyp that pcb guy does stainless stencils too!!
[14:16] <zyp> huh?
[14:16] <x-f> the stream stopped?
[14:16] <Hix> http://goo.gl/d2qnL
[14:17] <Hix> you were talking stencils yesterday
[14:17] <zyp> ah
[14:17] <Hix> sorry thurs
[14:17] <Hix> 300x400mm $25
[14:17] <Hix> kin cheap no?
[14:17] <zyp> cheapest I've seen so far
[14:18] <Hix> boards are cheap too 5x5 are ~$18 for 10
[14:18] <zyp> but what's the resolution? does it beat laser cut kapton/mylar stencils?
[14:19] <joph> Hix, wait
[14:19] <joph> seed is cheaper
[14:19] <Hix> think chemical is very fine resolution, they use it for points on fish hooks
[14:19] <joph> $10 for 10pcs 5x5cm
[14:19] <Hix> +postage
[14:19] <Hix> +~3weeks
[14:20] <griffonbot> None
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[14:21] <Hix> Upu_Conf, stresam dead again
[14:21] <Hix> *stream
[14:22] <russss> it's the workshops now, so not much to watch
[14:22] <Hix> ah ok
[14:23] <joph> seeed had free shipping
[14:23] <joph> so just $10
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[14:25] Nick change: number11 -> number10
[14:25] <daveake> number10--
[14:25] <Hix> :)
[14:25] <number10> 11--
[14:25] <daveake> I know
[14:25] <daveake> I can't count
[14:26] <number10> :)
[14:27] <daveake> Earlier, I was the star ...
[14:27] <daveake> ... of JGC's software-bug talk :p
[14:27] <number10> i missed that
[14:27] <number10> was it the one where your payload did a zigzag
[14:27] <daveake> You didn't get named but your altitude bug did get mentioned
[14:27] <daveake> Yep
[14:27] <number10> rounding error
[14:28] <number10> did he mention the signed altitude - I know I wasnt the only person to do that
[14:28] <daveake> yes
[14:28] <daveake> No names named tho
[14:28] <daveake> But some payloads did get named
[14:28] <daveake> cloud1/2 for example
[14:28] <daveake> ooer http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=8d59b467a73e0b30fcf8095cbc3ed04f7456b157
[14:28] <number10> fame
[14:28] <daveake> Yup :p
[14:29] <daveake> Might get to fly little Ted next weekend then
[14:29] <daveake> Mind you, the prediction for tomorrow looked good last Sunday
[14:30] <number10> there is some bad weather comming over soon
[14:30] <daveake> Supposed to be wet tomorrow
[14:30] <zyp> Hix, «very fine» is relative
[14:31] <number10> and low pressure hanging around to at least wednesday so high winds
[14:31] <zyp> is it fine enough to do dense qfn?
[14:31] <griffonbot> None
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[14:32] <Hix> fishing hooks in size 26 have a VERy fine point, all i'm basing it on
[14:36] <Hix> zyp, apparently 1/4mil http://www.fotofab.com/cmp_etching.php
[14:37] <Hix> does anyone have a makefile for arduino, it's beyond me to do one yet but it seems the most robust way of getting something to work
[14:37] <Hix> installed avrdude
[14:38] <zyp> Hix, that's certainly good enough, but I wouldn't trust those numbers to hold true for any sort of chemical etched stencils
[14:38] <Hix> i'm happy with using gedit to code in, so just need to be able to compile
[14:38] <Hix> email mitch, he'll advise upu recommends him so I'm taking his word on it
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[14:47] <DrLuke> I also can only recommend mitch
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[15:45] <griffonbot> @jgrahamc: The #ukhas conference badge is fully programmable and usable as the basis for a HAB flight tracker. http://t.co/b8jK4EOI [http://twitter.com/jgrahamc/status/249534808861048832]
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[15:53] <griffonbot> @hmason: So cool, the #ukhas conference badge is also a high altitude flight controller: http://t.co/oaSRIzk1 (via @jgrahamc) [http://twitter.com/hmason/status/249536994085052416]
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[16:03] <Upu_Conf> hi guys
[16:03] <Upu_Conf> Dan Bowen is now streaming
[16:04] <griffonbot> @eneylon: Felt so welcome at #ukhas and every delegates name badge is the basis for a super-lightweight flight telemetry system #motivated #hacking [http://twitter.com/eneylon/status/249539699847360512]
[16:05] <fsphil> totally
[16:07] <number10> is there a disco next door?
[16:07] <Upu_Conf> yes actually
[16:07] <Upu_Conf> annoyingly
[16:08] <number10> lost sound now
[16:09] <Upu_Conf> sorry not much as I can do
[16:09] <Upu_Conf> as=that
[16:09] <fsphil> urg, it's getting louder
[16:11] <number10> not here as now sound from stream at moment
[16:11] <number10> -w
[16:11] <Upu_Conf> no sound ?
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[16:11] <number10> no
[16:11] <number10> can someone else confirm that?
[16:13] <number10> ping hix
[16:13] <griffonbot> @pablochacin: Cool RT @jgrahamc: The #ukhas conference badge is fully programmable and usable as the basis for a HAB flight tracker. http://t.co/xbi8PGcX [http://twitter.com/pablochacin/status/249541887239794688]
[16:13] <Upu_Conf> can't find anything wrong this side sorry
[16:13] <number10> sound now back
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[16:19] <cuddykid> that's awesome (the conf badge)
[16:19] <cuddykid> nice one Upu_Conf
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[16:21] <Upu_Conf> see you should have taken a break from your media appointments and come :)
[16:23] <griffonbot> @ttwick: hmason: So cool, the #ukhas conference badge is also a high altitude flight controller: http://t.co/ezEtzhgS (via @j... http://t.co/2giqckFt [http://twitter.com/ttwick/status/249544338378469376]
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[16:31] <cuddykid> haha Upu_Conf :)
[16:32] <fsphil> lol
[16:33] <fsphil> (actually not lol'ing, that would be rude)
[16:33] <fsphil> the guy beside daveis falling asleep
[16:35] <Upu_Conf> I need a beer
[16:36] <fsphil> not long now
[16:37] <Upu_Conf> any questions for Dan ?
[16:44] <fsphil> how do I get a cool accent like that
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[16:44] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[16:53] <Upu_Conf> evening Lunar
[16:53] <Upu_Conf> UKHAS are now off to thepub
[16:53] <Upu_Conf> bye
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[16:55] <Lunar_Lander> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkTw7J-hGmg
[16:55] <navrac_paris> ah thats why the streqmings stopped then
[16:57] <number10> the stream stopped at the point where jcoxon was saying what I would like to see out of this...
[16:58] <navrac_paris> not just me then - assumed it was dodgey hotel internet
[16:59] <number10> no I think they have to get out of the building - also maybe Upu_London wants a pint ;)
[16:59] <navrac_paris> sadly my high speed line at the motor show got delayed till the morning.
[16:59] <navrac_paris> So in support of the conference goers I shall head out to a local cafe for a pint too.
[16:59] <number10> they have about 2-3 minutes to clear up
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[17:02] <griffonbot> @jgrahamc: RT @eneylon: Felt so welcome at #ukhas and every delegates name badge is the basis for a super-lightweight flight telemetry system #moti ... [http://twitter.com/jgrahamc/status/249554206388801536]
[17:03] <griffonbot> Received email: John Graham-Cumming "[UKHAS] Contact info"
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[17:05] <x-f> ooh, how did the badges look like?
[17:06] <number10> https://twitter.com/jgrahamc/status/249534808861048832/photo/1/large
[17:07] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[17:07] <x-f> very
[17:07] <x-f> thanks, number10
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[17:48] <griffonbot> Received email: Hoppo "[UKHAS] Well done all!"
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[18:13] <griffonbot> Received email: Merv "Re: [UKHAS] Well done all!"
[18:18] <griffonbot> Received email: John Graham-Cumming "Re: [UKHAS] Well done all!"
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[18:53] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] Well done all!"
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[18:56] <Lunar_Lander> hi Upu_London
[19:01] <G0DJA> I think they are still in the pub Lunar_Lander
[19:02] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:02] <Lunar_Lander> did they go there by bus?
[19:02] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:04] <G0DJA> Probably walked if in London. ;-)
[19:06] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:07] <Lunar_Lander> Like a Bus!
[19:12] <griffonbot> @kokey: Totally worth it day of #ukhas [http://twitter.com/kokey/status/249587036753887232]
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[19:21] <Adam012> Hi, is anyone able to give me a little help tuning fldigi in for the first time? I set up the arduino and nxt2 to transmit, I received the signal just fine on the FT-790 (a slight clicking in the background that was in time with the Arduino led) but I am lost with the fldligi settings.
[19:23] <Hix> dunno if you've seen but http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2
[19:24] <Hix> probably have though based on what you're saying
[19:24] <Hix> generally though if you right click on the RTTY box bottom left you can change shift etc
[19:25] <Hix> hope that helps
[19:33] <DrLuke> www.bff-hab.de - new domain aquired :)
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> yay!
[19:34] <Adam012> The box in the bottom left doesnt have a rtty option, its all BPSK-XXX
[19:34] <Hix> got a screengrab?
[19:35] <Adam012> One moment, uploading...
[19:35] <Hix> think most of the community are in the post habfest pub :)
[19:35] <Hix> I am by no means an expert either, but may be able to help
[19:36] <Adam012> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v167/cazbuh/Settings_zps15e8fa74.png
[19:36] <Hix> right, right-click in that box and you should be able to set bits parity etc
[19:36] <Adam012> I feel a bit lost so any help is glady welcomed!
[19:37] <Hix> BPSK-XXX
[19:37] <Hix> I'm pretty muc permanently lost with most of the code :D
[19:37] <LazyLeopard> ...then you've probably selected BPSK-500 from the Op_Mode menu.
[19:37] <Hix> don't have dl-fldigi on this machine thougfh so all from memorry
[19:37] <Hix> good spelling as usual
[19:37] <Hix> :/
[19:38] <LazyLeopard> Adam012: You're not in --hab mode
[19:38] <Adam012> Ah, selected rtty from opmode
[19:38] <LazyLeopard> Go to Op_Mode drop-down and select RTTY-something
[19:38] <LazyLeopard> ;)
[19:38] <Hix> hab mode just enables online though no?
[19:38] <Adam012> @Hix thats what I understood
[19:38] <Hix> not important for testing
[19:39] <LazyLeopard> Yeah, and changes the layout, but then autoconfigure will select mode etc. for the payload...
[19:39] <Adam012> I'm in Rtty mode but the waterfall does not show two clear lines
[19:39] <Hix> what do you see?
[19:39] <Hix> lots of yellow?
[19:39] <LazyLeopard> Yeah, your screenshot is showing a pretty weak signal.
[19:40] <Hix> tuned in properly on RX?
[19:40] <Hix> play and see
[19:41] <Adam012> The nxt2 is set for 434.075 as is the radio and fldigi, which should I alter?
[19:41] <Hix> radio
[19:46] <Adam012> Tried increasing the radio volume: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v167/cazbuh/Settings2ndattempt_zps5bcb3d7f.png
[19:47] <Adam012> Next tuned the radio and fldigi down to 434.070: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v167/cazbuh/Settings3rdattempt_zpsaa652c73.png
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[19:52] <Hix> right widen your shift and move over to about 2300 click there in wf
[19:54] <Adam012> Took a deep breath, reread the instructions and realised I had missed a bit. Adjusted baud, etc and now get: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v167/cazbuh/Settings4thattempt_zps8c1ed73e.png
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[19:54] <Hix> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v167/cazbuh/Settings3rdattempt_zpsaa652c73.png looked better
[19:55] <Hix> shift is 170 at mo change to circa 350 and click about 2300
[19:55] <Hix> on the two faint yellows
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[19:58] <Hix> what is your code set to? i.e 7 no parity 1 stop etc..
[19:58] <Hix> but go back to "3rd try" and click on 2300 with ~350 shift
[19:58] <Hix> theres two faint lines there
[19:58] <Hix> looks promising, if weak
[19:58] <Adam012> carrier shift to 425, baud to 50, 7 bits per character, no parity and 2 stop bits
[19:59] <Adam012> Okay, going back to 3rd settings
[20:00] <Hix> actually shift closer to 300
[20:00] <Hoppo> Hi Hix, you said earlier you were only hearing a faint ticking in time with the LED is that correct?
[20:00] <Hix> adjust nutil the two red lines are spaced as the yellows
[20:00] <Hix> not me dude, Adam012
[20:00] <Hoppo> Sorry last questions was aimed at Adam012
[20:00] <Hoppo> oops! :)
[20:00] <Hix> nps
[20:01] <Hix> shame all the smart peeps are boozing
[20:01] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[20:01] <Hix> though I am too to be fair but boozing and irc'ing
[20:01] <Hoppo> :) I just got back from the conference. Missed the pub.
[20:01] <Hix> WHY?
[20:01] <Hix> beer is good for you
[20:02] <Hix> kills germs
[20:02] <Hoppo> I think I drank enough last night to keep the germs at bay for another month or so! ;)
[20:02] <Hix> never beer has a short halflife
[20:03] <Hoppo> unlike my hangover this morning which has a half life longer than plutonium
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[20:04] <Hix> hmmm, didnt feel at my best on wakeup
[20:05] <Adam012> Okay, I reduced the shift, tuned down to 434.070 and highlighted the upper end of the waterfall: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v167/cazbuh/Settings5thattempt_zpse4504be5.png
[20:05] <Hix> Adam012, any better or have you banged your head into the desk in frustration
[20:06] <Hix> hmm that signal does look shite
[20:06] <Hix> waht RX have you got?
[20:06] <Hix> *what
[20:06] <Hoppo> Adam012 something is not right there. If you have the transmitter on your desk next to your receiver you should have a mega strong signal.
[20:06] <Adam012> Head banging at the moment. I wish I understood the settings better on both the FT-790 and fl-digi but I've never used radio for anything other than Radio 1, 2, 3 and 4
[20:06] <Hix> oooh USB orLSB?
[20:07] <Adam012> USB
[20:07] <Adam012> Where can I find the RX figures?
[20:07] <Hix> should be mega strong
[20:07] <Hoppo> When you tuned the radio in you said you heard a clicking is that correct?
[20:08] <Adam012> Yes, there was a LOT of interference so the clicking was very quiet and in the background
[20:09] <Hix> if you remove the line out can you hear RTTY?
[20:09] <Hoppo> Then your transmitter is not working.
[20:09] <Adam012> I hear a buzz and a warble, like the old dial up.
[20:09] <Hoppo> You should be hearing a warble of data. It's very obvious and should jump right out at you.
[20:10] <Adam012> Yup, in time with the led'
[20:10] <Hoppo> no
[20:10] <Hoppo> much faster than the led. 50 times a second in fact.
[20:10] <Hix> :D
[20:11] <Adam012> After a little play I can hear a distinct warble on 434.071
[20:11] <Hix> comme ca http://tenbus.co.uk/icaruscapture_30secs.mp3
[20:11] <Hix> plug it back in and screengrab
[20:12] <Hix> biam smoke time :)
[20:12] <Hoppo> That's what you should be hearing. :)
[20:13] <Hoppo> But it should be even clearer than that if it's on your work bench.
[20:14] <G0DJA> What antenna are you txing into?
[20:14] <G0DJA> even with no antenna it should be *very* loud though
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[20:18] <Adam012> Oh oh, have received the call from OH to come and get dinner "stop playing with you projects, I've cooked dinner!" thanks for all of the help. I will have another bash at this tomorrow. I can hear the warble just can't get the waterfall to show a signal.
[20:19] <Hix> laptop and RX on dinnertable [maybe not]
[20:19] <Hix> :p
[20:20] <G0DJA> Wish Kate would stop playing on her computer when I've cooked dinner - I usually end up eating mine and putting hers in the microwave to reheat
[20:21] <Adam012> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v167/cazbuh/Settings6thattempt_zpsca8f818e.png
[20:21] <Adam012> Think I have it!
[20:21] <Hix> Adam012, dinner will stay warm till you crack this, its close
[20:22] <Hoppo> That's more like it.
[20:22] <Hoppo> Dinner can wait! :)
[20:22] <Adam012> |YTtd|YQb9|YTtd,IL2@Eb9|
[20:22] <Hix> still weak though
[20:23] <Hix> c'mon its like rooting for a horse on the national
[20:23] <Adam012> Transmitting over and over again. My wife is very understanding and just wants me to not celebrate so loudly with the baby upstairs - big whoop of joy when I received the transmission
[20:23] <Adam012> Okay, is that it?
[20:23] <Hix> is that what you were trsansmittinig
[20:24] <Hix> spelling good
[20:24] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: On my way back to Bath from the #UKHAS conference! It was great meeting you all! [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/249605010223161344]
[20:24] <Darkside> oh man, i missed dr who
[20:24] <Adam012> I have no idea, I only skimmed the code...one minute
[20:24] <Darkside> heh
[20:24] <Hix> whats in the buffer?
[20:24] <Darkside> all the helpful people are at the pub
[20:24] <Adam012> I usually torrent them to keep, would you like it on dvd?
[20:24] <Hoppo> click on op mode. Select RTTY custom
[20:24] <Darkside> sorry for the lack of help guys!
[20:25] <Hix> been trying
[20:25] <Hoppo> drop baud rate to 50
[20:25] <Hix> from the pub :)
[20:25] <Hix> #dedication
[20:25] <Darkside> wait
[20:25] <Darkside> you were there?
[20:26] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[20:26] <Darkside> wat
[20:26] <Hix> no, didnt get on list but in A pub :)
[20:26] <Darkside> oh lol
[20:26] <Darkside> im on a train
[20:26] <Adam012> Done, baud 50. The string should be RTTY TEST BEACON RTTY TEST BEACON
[20:26] <Adam012> No idea what I'm picking up but the waterfall is in sync with the arduino's outputs.
[20:27] <Hoppo> set ascii to 7
[20:27] <Darkside> screenshot it
[20:27] <Hoppo> carrier shift should be 425
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[20:27] <Darkside> crop to waterfall if possible
[20:27] <G0DJA> Try to get the signal in the middle of the display and position the tramlines of the curser over the top and click
[20:28] <G0DJA> You probably need to tune up in freq on the 790 a little bit
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[20:31] <G0DJA> Sorry - didn't see this http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v167/cazbuh/Settings6thattempt_zpsca8f818e.png
[20:31] <Adam012> Tuned down to .068 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v167/cazbuh/Settings7thattempt_zps2a18db09.png
[20:31] <griffonbot> Received email: Darkside "Re: [UKHAS] Well done all!"
[20:31] <G0DJA> that looks about right but should be a lot louder!
[20:32] <Darkside> Adam012: those yellow lines in the centre is the rtty signal
[20:32] <Adam012> The volume is set to less than a 1/4 on the radio
[20:32] <G0DJA> try pressing the Rv button bottom right of display and see if it works
[20:32] <Adam012> Should I turn it up?
[20:32] <Darkside> learn to recognise it
[20:32] <Hix> more noise
[20:33] <Hix> what did you set 7n1?
[20:33] <G0DJA> if you are taking audio direct from speaker output then increase it a little, but not too much
[20:33] <Adam012> That did the trick! Whooo hoooo!
[20:33] <G0DJA> If Rv worked you were on the wrong sideband
[20:34] <Adam012> RTTY TEST BEACON RTTY TEST BEACON*CF08 - on repeat, loud and clear!
[20:34] <Hoppo> :D
[20:34] <Adam012> RV worked. How do I change the sideband?
[20:34] <Darkside> Adam012: are you on usb or lsb on the radio
[20:35] <Adam012> USB
[20:35] <G0DJA> Depends on the TX you are using - is it an NTX?
[20:35] <Adam012> Yup
[20:35] <Darkside> ok
[20:35] <G0DJA> Maybe you have the mark and space the wrong way round?
[20:35] <Adam012> 434.075 - coming through on 434.068
[20:35] <Darkside> you need to reverse how you set the output
[20:35] <Hix> RTTY TEST BEACON RTTY TEST BEACON*CF08 - on repeat, loud and clear!
[20:35] <Adam012> ?
[20:35] <Darkside> are you using single pin or 2 pin
[20:35] <Hix> WHOOP!!!
[20:35] <Hix> Dinnertime
[20:36] <Adam012> How do I tell the difference?
[20:36] <Darkside> uhh
[20:36] <Darkside> its how you wired it up
[20:36] <Hix> it's workkng no?
[20:36] <G0DJA> It's set in either the software, or you could swap the pins on the NTX input round the other way
[20:36] <Hix> upu giude from wiki no?
[20:36] <Darkside> is it using 2 pins on the arduino or just one
[20:36] <Adam012> It's set up sing the guide http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2
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[20:37] <Darkside> not sure right
[20:37] <Darkside> oh
[20:37] <Adam012> one pin
[20:37] <Hix> but you just posted what youwere RXing?
[20:37] <Darkside> well
[20:38] <Hix> so it's working no?
[20:38] <Hix> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2
[20:38] <Hix> shit sorry
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[20:38] <Darkside> i think the code is the wrong way around
[20:38] <Hix> RTTY TEST BEACON RTTY TEST BEACON*CF08
[20:38] <Darkside> on train, ceap net
[20:38] <Darkside> you need to change the tx bit funcrion
[20:38] <Darkside> function
[20:39] <Hix> is what you had on dl-fldigi no?
[20:39] <Adam012> @hix yes
[20:39] <Darkside> Hix he had to press rv
[20:39] <Darkside> when his radio was in USB mode
[20:39] <Hix> so it's all done, Adam012 can appease OH and eat
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[20:40] <G0DJA> Check the wiring and make sure TXD and 0v lines are the right way round and if they are it'l be in the code
[20:40] <Darkside> its not quite correct
[20:41] <Darkside> G0DJA: if its wired up single pin then its the code
[20:41] <G0DJA> That's what I was thinking as well Darkside
[20:42] <Darkside> i think the code on the wiki is intentionally wrong
[20:42] <Darkside> to get people to understand this
[20:42] <russss> http://twitter.yfrog.com/0wusutopshpepnbpmodbgnosz
[20:43] <Darkside> ok my 3g connection is crap
[20:43] <Darkside> ill bvl
[20:43] <Darkside> bbl
[20:44] <Adam012> I've rechecked the wiring and it's fine. I can't spot any problems in the code but I'm not entirely sure what I'm seeking to change.
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[20:49] <Hoppo> I think your ones are zeros and your zeros are ones!
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[20:49] <Hix> 00011111011011010101
[20:51] <Hix> 9% battery see you later dudes :)
[20:52] <Adam012> Okay, I've switched the rtty txbits around: for (i=0;i<7;i++) // Change this here 7 or 8 for ASCII-7 / ASCII-8 { if (c & 1) rtty_txbit(0); else rtty_txbit(1); c = c >> 1; }
[20:53] <Adam012> Now I just get junk, even with RV off
[20:54] <Hoppo> hmmm
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[20:57] <Hoppo> it should be { if (c & 1) rtty_txbit(1); else rtty_txbit(0); c = c >> 1; }
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[20:57] <Hoppo> it should be { if (c & 1) rtty_txbit(1); else rtty_txbit(0); c = c >> 1; }
[20:57] <DanielRichman> Adam012: oyou need to tell fldigi that it's now 7 and not 8. Open up the configuration window, modem, rtty, pick ascii-7
[20:58] <DrLuke> Today I got an idea for a cool cutoff system
[20:58] <DrLuke> basically just got glue together 2 loops of string, and also put a resistor in it
[20:59] <DrLuke> then put some current through it and the hot glue will melt
[20:59] <DrLuke> I'm probably not the first one to think of that, right?
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[21:02] <SpeedEvil> hot melt gets very brittle at low temps
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[21:03] <Adam012> @Hoppo - that's how I have it set up now but still no luck without RV set to on
[21:03] <DrLuke> oh
[21:03] <Hoppo> should be like this https://www.dropbox.com/s/2ttjzl0n3bkvj0i/setup.png
[21:06] <Adam012> I had to tweak the shift a bit but it is set up just like that
[21:06] <Hoppo> Your audio cable's not out of phase is it?
[21:07] <Adam012> It's a simple 3.5mm to 3.5mm headphone cable, through a Asus Xonar U3 USB sound card
[21:08] <Adam012> It's probably a small change to the code that is needed but damned if I know what to do. Thank you to everyone for sticking with this, it feels like I'm so close!
[21:08] <Hoppo> I just tried the code, cut and paste from the website and it runs fine here.
[21:08] <navrac_paris> i missed a bit of this conversation as my connection dropped out - but your red lines do line up withthe yellow ones on the waterfall dont they?
[21:09] <Adam012> Yes, dead on (I have orange/red lines on the waterfall.
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[21:11] <navrac_paris> looking at Settings2ndattempt_zps5bcb3d7f.png they dont look like modulated lines to me
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[21:12] <navrac_paris> maybe i missed some images
[21:12] <Hoppo> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v167/cazbuh/Settings7thattempt_zps2a18db09.png is where he's now at
[21:13] <Hoppo> for some reason needs to use rv on fl-digi
[21:14] <navrac_paris> rev is if youve tuned to the image of the signal rather than the signal
[21:15] <Hoppo> ooh how do you do that?
[21:15] <Adam012> After lots of fiddling with the code I just switched the HIGH LOW triggers and it worked!
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[21:16] <Adam012> Thank you all, I've finally got there and the signal is very clear (or so it seems to me :-) )
[21:17] <navrac_paris> it means if the signal is say 434.000 mhz and youve selected usb you would tune above by 1khz to get the tone at 1khz - however you can also get an image at 433.999 which is reversed
[21:17] <navrac_paris> or youve set lsb instead of usb on the rx
[21:17] <Hoppo> got you
[21:18] <navrac_paris> or youve copiedmy code where i got it wrong!
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[21:18] <jonsowman> evening all
[21:19] <navrac_paris> good evening
[21:19] <chrisstubbs> Evening guys
[21:20] <chrisstubbs> Just started watching the conference vids, Interesting stuff :)
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[21:20] <navrac_paris> are they up on youtube now?
[21:20] <Hoppo> yep just replicated Hix's issue by doing exactly what you said
[21:20] <Hoppo> ah not hix, Adam012
[21:20] <Hoppo> :)
[21:21] <Adam012> Okay, the problem lay with the code and the small change means I am now transmitting loud and clear.
[21:22] <Hoppo> no. The code is fine. It looks like your radio is on LSB instead of USB
[21:22] <Hoppo> HEnce why your tuning in off frequency
[21:23] <Adam012> Radio definitely set to USB
[21:24] <navrac_paris> try tuning to the other side of the signal
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[21:25] <griffonbot> Received email: Jon Sowman "Re: [UKHAS] Well done all!"
[21:25] <griffonbot> Received email: Eamonn Neylon "Re: [UKHAS] Well done all!"
[21:25] <griffonbot> Received email: Neil Baker "Re: [UKHAS] Well done all!"
[21:26] <navrac_paris> chrisstubbs - are the videos online now?
[21:26] <chrisstubbs> Yes they are, sorry, http://ukhas.org.uk/general:ukhasconference
[21:27] <natrium42> that's the previous year
[21:28] <chrisstubbs> How did i not notice! haha
[21:28] <chrisstubbs> silly me
[21:28] <natrium42> :P
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[21:29] <navrac_paris_> lousy hotel internet
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[21:33] <navrac_paris_> thats clever - i get to see my own quit messaege
[21:33] <jonsowman> :)
[21:33] <Adam012> With the alteration to the code: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v167/cazbuh/Settings8thattempt_zps8de591be.png
[21:38] <Hoppo> but your 3 or 4k off frequency, which shouldn't happen on the work bench if you have your resistor values correct.
[21:38] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> I just wonder if a regular talk on Google Hangout is a good idea?
[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> like discussing HAB weekly
[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> and they'll automatically save it to youtube
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> but everyone needs Google+ to join the talk
[21:41] <griffonbot> @PD3EM: Had a great today at the #UKHAS Conference in London! Now on my way back home ... [http://twitter.com/PD3EM/status/249624483164471296]
[21:43] <Darkside> Lunar_Lander: thats a good idea
[21:43] <Darkside> have a regular google hangout for habbera
[21:43] <Darkside> habbers
[21:44] <navrac_paris_> it would be nice to have a weekly online meet to discuss what people are up to - good for giving ideas and picking up hints if you are showing your projects
[21:45] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:45] <mattbrejza> is this voice chat rather than text?
[21:46] <navrac_paris_> or video
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:46] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: do you recall where/if you found the sensitive diameter of the tmp006 ? the window is (not dimensioned) I guess .5mm square. but how large is the sensor. (wondering about resolution for _narrow_ angle temp sensing
[21:46] <mattbrejza> yea text would have been a bit pointless
[21:46] <navrac_paris_> im just gutted i missed the conf. My job got moved forward tow days
[21:48] <Adam012> This is my setup: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v167/cazbuh/20120922_224200_zpsdcc3c94b.jpg
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[21:49] <navrac_paris_> is the board 5v?
[21:50] <Adam012> Yes
[21:50] <Adam012> I set it up as per the instructions on the guide (4.7k and 47k resistors)
[21:51] <navrac_paris_> isnt that for a 3v3 arduino though?
[21:51] <Hoppo> You need 20k resistor for the 5v I think
[21:52] <Adam012> I don't think so, the guide recommended a 20k resistor for 3.3V
[21:52] <navrac_paris_> maybe not - im an rfm user so not au fait with the ntx
[21:52] <Adam012> Our final board will be a 3.3V arduino mini pro
[21:52] <Hoppo> ah ok
[21:53] <Adam012> but for now I am stuck with my development board; an Arduino Uno R3
[21:53] <navrac_paris_> change to the pro before you get the gps!
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:54] <Hoppo> that's cool. it should be fine. But the frequency should be spot on at 433.075
[21:54] <Hoppo> whilst you're testing
[21:54] <Hoppo> on the bench.
[21:54] <Hoppo> with the receiver 2 ft away. ;)
[21:54] <jonsowman> *434?
[21:55] <Hoppo> oops yeah 434!
[21:55] <Hoppo> :)
[21:57] <fsphil> evening all
[21:57] <jonsowman> hi fsphil
[21:57] <Hoppo> hi fsphil
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[21:58] <fsphil> has been a brilliant day
[21:58] <Adam012> Here are my radio settings: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v167/cazbuh/20120922_224832_zps5b752872.jpg
[21:59] <daveake_> Evening fsphil :-)
[21:59] <daveake_> Got the bus ok?
[21:59] <fsphil> did indeed
[21:59] <daveake_> jolly good
[21:59] <daveake_> I've got the cheap train home
[21:59] <fsphil> you on the train now?
[21:59] <daveake_> Yep
[22:00] <daveake_> slower train and a high percentage of undesirables
[22:00] Nick change: daveake_ -> daveake
[22:00] <fsphil> hehe, my bus was similar
[22:00] <daveake> :)
[22:00] <fsphil> nobody likes to make eye contact, all watching the floor
[22:00] <daveake> Yupi is up to £58, so that's getting better
[22:01] <daveake> yeah, same here. Well, they all pretend to be asleep to avoid being asked "is that seat taken?"
[22:01] <fsphil> cunning
[22:02] <daveake> moving now; hal;f of them have woken up
[22:02] <Lunar_Lander> hi daveake
[22:02] <daveake> Looking promising for next Saturday http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=8d59b467a73e0b30fcf8095cbc3ed04f7456b157
[22:02] <daveake> hi LL
[22:02] <daveake> How come you didn't come over for the conf?
[22:02] <fsphil> I'm looking at what to do tomorrow
[22:03] <daveake> I think it's supposed to pi$$ down in which case I won't be flying a pico
[22:03] <Lunar_Lander> daveake, we earlier discussed a discussion round on Google Hangout on a regular basis
[22:03] <Lunar_Lander> what do you think about that?
[22:04] <daveake> Rain from 9am to 6pm according to BBC
[22:04] <daveake> you discussed a discussion?
[22:04] <daveake> sounds exciting
[22:04] <daveake> Don't we have an IRC channel for discussions?
[22:04] <Adam012> Hi Hoppo, any more thoughts>
[22:04] <fsphil> I consider we discuss this more
[22:05] <natrium42> I propose discussing your consideration
[22:05] <Hoppo> IAdam012 don't understand how you can be 8k off frequency.
[22:05] <daveake> I'll consider discussing it, for a considerable consideration
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[22:06] <fsphil> not bad considering
[22:07] <Adam012> @Hoppo - neither do I, perhaps it's the radio?
[22:07] <daveake> wossup?
[22:08] <Hoppo> What happens if you tune it to 434.075 and change the radio to LSB?
[22:09] <Adam012> I've set up a 5V Arduino with a NXT2 transmitter to test out the Yaesu FT-790R I have on loan and to prove that I can get it all working. The NXT2 is 434.075Mhz but the radio (next to it on my dining room table) is picking it up at 434.067?
[22:09] <fsphil> oh that's prefectly normal
[22:09] <fsphil> it can be +/- 15khz
[22:10] <fsphil> depending on the resistors used, and other factors
[22:10] <fsphil> my 434.650 always seemed to run at 434.670
[22:10] <Hoppo> hi daveake, he's working through the tutorial but can only get a signal on USB if he's 8k off frequency and switched the High Low triggers in the code.
[22:10] <jonsowman> also remember your tune will be off by the audio frequency
[22:11] <jonsowman> so if your carrier is being heard at 2kHz on the waterfall
[22:11] <fsphil> the way we drive the ntx2 is beyond what it was designed for, and frequency error is to be expected
[22:11] <jonsowman> then your radio is tuned 2kHz away from the actual signal
[22:11] <fsphil> also the radio itself will have some error
[22:11] <kokey> gosh I thought no one would be back on irc already
[22:11] <fsphil> all three of my radios are slightly different
[22:12] <Hoppo> so why the need to change the triggers in the code?
[22:13] <fsphil> not sure what you mean by that
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[22:13] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: My #UKHAS conference badge LED is *still* going! [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/249632589957197826]
[22:14] <natrium42> pix of badges plz
[22:14] <Hoppo> in the arduino code he's changed the digitalWrite(RADIOPIN, LOW); to high and vice versa
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[22:14] <daveake> silly batteries
[22:14] <Adam012> Okay, after a lot of fiddling with the radio and changing the code back to the original code from the guide I have a working transmission on LSB at 434.071!
[22:15] <fsphil> it should be USB, but hey :)
[22:15] <jonsowman> Adam012: don't worry about the centre freq being wrong
[22:15] <fsphil> make sure dl-fldigi is set to USB
[22:15] <Adam012> Waterfall shows two clear lines in yellow and red
[22:15] <jonsowman> as long as it's not too near the band edges it doesn't matter
[22:15] <daveake> Tuned wrong side, or 0/1 swapped in code, or fldigi Rv button pressed
[22:16] <daveake> Slough. Bound to lose some undesirables here.
[22:16] <Adam012> When I put the code in the first time I was picking up text but garbled. Pressing RV decoded it. I then changed the code and could get the text without having to press RV.
[22:17] <SpeedEvil> I only knough slough from the work of John betchemen
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[22:17] <Hoppo> is USB selected in fldigi?
[22:17] <Adam012> Since then, I've tried lots of different frequencies with the radio set to usb but couldn't get the original code to work.
[22:17] <SpeedEvil> http://www-cdr.stanford.edu/intuition/Slough.html
[22:19] <Adam012> Okay, back in USB on radio and fldigi - receiving at 434.068 just fine.
[22:20] <fsphil_london> nice
[22:20] <daveake> good
[22:20] <fsphil_london> side band can be tricksy
[22:20] <fsphil_london> but it's worth getting it right
[22:21] <daveake> It's easy when the transmitter is close to the receiver to think you're tuned in right but to not be
[22:21] <Adam012> @SpeedEvil - I feel much the same about Milton Keynes.
[22:21] <daveake> What I do is turn the receiver frequency down a notch, and the audio should then go up in frequency. If it goes down then you're not tuned in correctly.
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[22:22] <Adam012> If I turn the frequency down a notch on the radio the lines jump up the waterfall (to the right)
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[22:31] <Darkside> Adam012: thats how it should be
[22:32] <Adam012> Fantastic, it seems that everything is now sorted out. Thanks to everyone who has pitched in with advice and thoughts! I'm going to get to bed now, next step is receiving GPS.
[22:33] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[22:34] <Upu_London> hey fsphil home safe ?
[22:35] <Adam012> Good night all!
[22:35] <griffonbot> @daveake: Thanks to James and Anthony for organising the #UKHAS conference, to all the other speakers for their talks, and to everyone who came along. [http://twitter.com/daveake/status/249638061632286720]
[22:37] <daveake> Reading done. The train is much lighter now; maybe it will speed up
[22:37] <Darkside> heh
[22:38] <Darkside> mine was slow
[22:38] <Darkside> or it seemed slow
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[22:40] <Lunar_Lander> daveake, the insurance in germany question is solved I think
[22:40] <fsphil_london> Upu_London, aye! back in one piece
[22:41] <eroomde> on coach
[22:41] <fsphil_london> gonna have a nice lazy day tomorrow
[22:41] <eroomde> after 2nd dinner in chinatown
[22:41] <eroomde> yes me too
[22:41] <eroomde> dr who, thick of it, toast
[22:41] <fsphil_london> definitely toast
[22:42] <fsphil_london> then maybe science museam
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[22:42] <Darkside> fsphil_london: yessss
[22:42] <Darkside> so science museum
[22:42] <Darkside> do*
[22:43] <daveake> LL How is it solved? You're relying on the law changing before you launch?
[22:43] <fsphil_london> Europe being overthrown my the moon people?
[22:44] <daveake> Upu_London I'll email fsphil's pal DM on Monday
[22:44] <daveake> See if I can get permission for next weekend
[22:44] <daveake> All being well I'll order the gas on Wednesday
[22:44] <fsphil_london> I should go visit him
[22:44] <Lunar_Lander> daveake, mclane showed me an insurer who covers it
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[22:46] <daveake> LL cool
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[22:47] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[22:49] <fsphil_london> can't be long now then?
[22:50] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:50] <Lunar_Lander> my teammates and I aim for the end of october
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[22:50] <fsphil_london> fantastic
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[22:52] <eroomde> nice
[22:52] <eroomde> yo jcoxon q
[22:52] <eroomde> q = typo
[22:55] <jcoxon> hey
[22:56] <jcoxon> on the bus?
[22:56] <Darkside> hey jcoxon
[22:56] <Darkside> we should organise regularish google+ hangouts or something
[22:56] <Darkside> that we can get multiple people on
[22:56] <eroomde> jcoxon: yes
[22:56] <eroomde> shepards bush
[22:58] <Lunar_Lander> yeah I had that idea and Darkside liked it
[22:59] <Darkside> yup
[22:59] <natrium42> sweet conference, i stayed up till 5am to watch it
[22:59] <Darkside> lol
[23:00] <natrium42> :)
[23:00] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[23:00] <natrium42> then fell asleep, too tired
[23:00] <fsphil_london> was good, although now I have to add unit tests to all my code :)
[23:01] <natrium42> did dan fly over for it?
[23:01] <natrium42> i missed his talk
[23:03] <fsphil_london> not specifically for this
[23:03] <fsphil_london> just good timing I think
[23:04] <fsphil_london> worked out well, dan's just arrived and mark's just leaving
[23:04] <natrium42> cool :)
[23:04] <jcoxon> hehe
[23:04] <jcoxon> hey natrium42
[23:05] <fsphil_london> I'm sure that wasn't a coincidence :)
[23:05] <natrium42> hi james
[23:05] <jcoxon> the videos will be on a youtube
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[23:05] <natrium42> awesome
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[23:06] <jcoxon> anthony is playing poker so it'll be a few days
[23:06] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[23:06] <fsphil_london> hah
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[23:16] <jcoxon> night all
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[23:35] <Darkside> k, dr who watched
[23:36] <Darkside> mayhaps be bedtime now
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