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[05:21] <fsphil> morning all
[05:29] <SamSilver> morning fsphil
[05:29] <SamSilver> i got 2nd cuppa on order should be half wired soon
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[06:43] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "Re: [UKHAS] UKHAS Conference 2012 - 2 days to go"
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[06:53] <griffonbot> Received email: David Akerman "Re: [UKHAS] UKHAS Conference 2012 - 2 days to go"
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[06:58] <costyn> gut merning
[06:59] <nosebleedkt> gut !
[06:59] <nosebleedkt> lets see how many linux gurus we got here
[07:00] <nosebleedkt> i have a 64bit linux
[07:00] <nosebleedkt> however my gcc cannot produce 32bit binaries
[07:01] <nosebleedkt> I want to build a gcc which will be capable of producing 32&64 bit binaries (using the switch -m32 or -m64)
[07:01] <nosebleedkt> aka multilib
[07:01] <costyn> maybe you should visit #linux :)
[07:02] <costyn> nosebleedkt: google hasn't been any help?
[07:02] <nosebleedkt> I prefer the interactive way sometimes
[07:02] <nosebleedkt> :)
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[07:05] <griffonbot> Received email: Elmar - PD3EM "Re: [UKHAS] UKHAS Conference 2012 - 2 days to go"
[07:06] <MrScienceMan> nosebleedkt: what distribution ?
[07:07] <nosebleedkt> LFS based
[07:07] <nosebleedkt> clean and minimal
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[07:09] <MrScienceMan> you need gcc, build-essenstials, libc6-dev, ia32-libs
[07:09] <MrScienceMan> multilib as well
[07:10] <MrScienceMan> and then any 32 libs you need
[07:13] <nosebleedkt> hmm
[07:14] <nosebleedkt> those guys in #linux, you can't understand what they are talking about
[07:14] <nosebleedkt> not technically, but logically
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[07:22] <MrScienceMan> might be the lack of light in their homes
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[07:27] <nosebleedkt> its possible situation
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[08:37] <griffonbot> Received email: gonzo_ "[UKHAS] Re: Remote tracking of payloads"
[08:40] <griffonbot> Received email: gonzo_ "[UKHAS] Re: UKHAS Conference 2012 - 2 days to go"
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[08:45] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "Re: [UKHAS] Re: UKHAS Conference 2012 - 2 days to go"
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[09:05] <EnHoE007> hi there!
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[09:05] <daveake> hello ...
[09:05] <daveake> .... too late
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[09:05] <EnHoE007> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[09:06] <EnHoE007> how this guys can display the flight like this?
[09:07] <kokey> magic
[09:07] <daveake> http://www.ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
[09:07] <costyn> EnHoE007: upload telemetry strings from dl-fldigi
[09:07] <costyn> EnHoE007: and read what daveake just posted ;)
[09:07] <EnHoE007> :) I mean its clear to have a gps tracker due the flight, but how is it possible to display it on map?
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[09:08] <EnHoE007> thx guys! I will read them
[09:09] <daveake> The payload transmits the GPS position; a radio receives it; a PC decodes it and uploads the position to a server; the map loads the positions from the server
[09:09] <daveake> Simples
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[09:10] <daveake> whoosh
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[09:13] <EnHoE007> daveake, are you this guy from daveakerman.com? :)
[09:14] <daveake> yes
[09:14] <EnHoE007> nice pica on your blog! amazing!
[09:14] <EnHoE007> pics *
[09:14] <daveake> thanks
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[09:16] <costyn> daveake: did you test for power fluctuations on your camera powersupply when the camera takes pictures? Or is the max current drawn from the AA's not significant?
[09:18] <kokey> daveake: what do you hook your scanner up to in 'the heap'?
[09:18] <daveake> That board has a step-up that runs from very low voltages. I tested by leaving the camera running with a new set of AAs. I got 6 hours before the camera dropped out. The tracker kept going for another 3 hours.
[09:19] <costyn> nice
[09:19] <costyn> UpuWork: sent you one of my troublesome GPSes. Should arrive next week somewhere
[09:20] <daveake> Re the "heap", at the mo the scanner isn't hooked up - just a spare for whoever is sitting in the passenger seat with a laptop/netbook
[09:20] <daveake> When I get it back from the garage (service/MOT today), I'll finish wiring up the Yaesu. I've got power, audio and UHF all going into the back of it now.
[09:21] <costyn> going to DIN mount it?
[09:21] <daveake> It is
[09:21] <costyn> ah
[09:21] <kokey> ah ok, I was offered an old smaller ibm thinkpad so I might use that
[09:21] <daveake> Well, it's kinda loose in a plastic DIN mount box
[09:21] <daveake> Surprisingly there doesn't seem to be a proper DIN mount holder for it
[09:22] <costyn> strange, with its dimensions you'd think it was designed that way
[09:22] <daveake> Yup
[09:22] <kokey> but perhaps I should look into getting some kind of x86 'tablet'
[09:22] <daveake> I was quite surprised - I thought the radio shops and ebay would be full of them
[09:23] <daveake> I've made up a PL259-BNC cable so I can connect the magmount to the back, rather than clutter up the front
[09:23] <cuddykid> morning
[09:23] <costyn> nice
[09:23] <daveake> Similar with the audio - there's a fixed level "line out" at the back, confusingly labelled as "data out" in the manual
[09:23] <costyn> heh
[09:24] <daveake> Takes a standard PS/2 plug. I just used an old keyboard extension cable
[09:24] <costyn> I've often wondered what it was for
[09:24] <daveake> Well that's one thing
[09:24] <costyn> seeing as the ACC is for actual data
[09:25] <daveake> The nice thing is being fixed level, you can use the volume control without affecting it. So you can silence the rtty or have it turned up - handy when you're trying to find the payload and want to listen for it.
[09:25] <gonzo_> yep it's data comms. Mainly for connecting a TNC, as it also has a direct FM from the dioscriminator
[09:25] <costyn> gonzo_: define TNC?
[09:26] <gonzo_> terminal node controler. An AX25 hardware moden
[09:26] <gonzo_> modem
[09:26] <costyn> ah ok
[09:27] <gonzo_> it has the '1200bd' outputm, whioch is just an audio feed before the vol ctrl
[09:27] <gonzo_> so works on FM/SSB etc
[09:28] <gonzo_> the '9600bd' output is FM only and is directkly from the discriminator, so you get the deviation voltage before any audio filtering
[09:28] <gonzo_> whoch you need for higher speed AX25
[09:29] <gonzo_> btw, when you use the PC to tume the 817, do you connect via the ACC socket?
[09:30] <costyn> gonzo_: I do yes
[09:31] <gonzo_> what PC prog do you use to command it?
[09:31] <daveake> dl-fldigi will auto-tune it, using hamlib (IIRC)
[09:31] <costyn> err... I can't remember, I installed it once, it just works
[09:32] <gonzo_> not tried so just interested
[09:32] <costyn> gonzo_: it's on my windows machine at home; i can look it up tonight
[09:33] <costyn> daveake: but dl-fldigi will only retune if the signal falls off one of the waterfall right?
[09:33] <gonzo_> no rush, just being nesey
[09:33] <gonzo_> nosey
[09:33] <gonzo_> ta dave. (only just seen your reply, vnc slow to refresh the screen)
[09:33] <daveake> Well, it keeps it inside a band that you specify
[09:34] <daveake> So it'll re-centre before it gets to the edge
[09:34] <gonzo_> so it will steer the radio as part of the AFC. Nice!
[09:34] <daveake> Yes, just so
[09:35] <gonzo_> ideal for chase when you don't want to be distracted from driving
[09:35] <daveake> Exactly
[09:35] <costyn> daveake: ah ok, I'll have to try that
[09:35] <costyn> gonzo_: ah yes, Ham Radio Deluxe
[09:35] <daveake> I bought a USB "CAT" cable for mine. Plugs into the ACC socket
[09:35] <gonzo_> cheers costyn
[09:36] <costyn> gonzo_: http://www.hrdsoftwarellc.com/default.html
[09:36] <costyn> gonzo_: there's a buy option, but that's only for support. you can just download a fully functional version off the site
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[10:44] <cuddykid> Darkside: do you have a website for your Aussie HAB stuff? Someone who lives in Perth has got in touch and was going to point them in your direction
[10:45] <cuddykid> got it - no worries
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[10:49] <LazyLeopard> Heh. Perth is miles from everywhere. ;)
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[11:03] <griffonbot> Received email: gonzo_ "=?windows-1252?Q?=5BUKHAS=5D_GPS_Jamming_Ex=3A_Brecon_area_24th_=96_28th_Se?=
[11:04] <gonzo_> wot happened there?!
[11:06] <SpeedEvil> http://chronicle.com/article/How-to-ProcrastinateStill/93959
[11:06] <daveake> I'll read that later
[11:08] <x-f> :>
[11:09] <costyn> daveake: :D
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[11:11] <MrScienceMan> I have been intending to write this essay for months.
[11:11] <MrScienceMan> we've all been there
[11:13] <daveake> "I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by."
[11:14] <Darkside> - Terry Pratchett
[11:14] <Darkside> wait
[11:14] <Darkside> or was that douglas adams
[11:14] <daveake> Douglas Adams
[11:14] <LazyLeopard> Douglas, definitely.
[11:14] <MrScienceMan> no no, think it was walt disney
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[11:16] <daveake> Useful info for thos going to the conf tomorrow - http://i.imgur.com/ikcus.jpg
[11:17] <Darkside> lol
[11:17] <MrScienceMan> whats so bad about the new maps app ?
[11:18] <x-f> Everyone needs deadlines. Even the beavers. They loaf around all summer, but when they are faced with the winter deadline, they work like fury. If we didnt have deadlines, wed stagnate.
[11:18] <x-f> that was from Walt Disney
[11:18] <daveake> http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/technology/iphone-5-apple-ridiculed-over-1335856
[11:27] <MrScienceMan> so its kinda bad at finding stuff
[11:28] <griffonbot> Received email: Dave "Re: [UKHAS] Remote tracking of payloads"
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[12:45] <daveake> Hah http://www.abc57.com/news/local/la-porte/Rolling-Prairie-couple-finds-balloon-mounted-camera-from-Chicago-in-pasture-170601046.html
[12:46] <costyn> daveake: nice
[12:46] <costyn> daveake: EarthBreeze will be pleased
[12:47] <costyn> daveake: I assume the appropriate emails have been sent ?
[12:48] <fsphil> is it joes? I don't think it had four balloons
[12:49] <costyn> it had his strange bouyancy device
[12:50] <costyn> maybe I read it too quick :)
[12:50] <daveake> :)
[12:50] <cuddykid> that reporter is creepy
[12:50] <daveake> This was from a school ground near Chicago
[12:50] <daveake> It's on the GPSL mailing list; hopefully someone will show up
[12:51] <daveake> Wish someone would find my 2 lost payloads :)
[12:51] <fsphil> snap
[12:51] <costyn> man those pics are pretty bad quality
[12:51] <costyn> or are those screengrabs from the gopro
[12:51] <daveake> yep
[12:52] <daveake> dunno
[12:52] <fsphil> though I expect one of those calls to start with "We where discecting this whale when we found your number..."
[12:52] <daveake> lol
[12:52] <costyn> :)
[12:53] <fsphil> who launches without contact details
[12:54] <DrLuke> nice lesson on why you should put contact info on the capsule
[12:54] <fsphil> exp. two go pros
[12:54] <DrLuke> ^
[12:54] <DrLuke> and without landowner permission
[12:54] <fsphil> I also take a picture of the contact details, so it's the first photo on the camera
[12:54] <costyn> fsphil: clever
[12:54] <DrLuke> nice
[12:56] <DrLuke> I would never fly a gopro, I think the risk that somebody just grabs it is too high
[12:57] <fsphil> I will eventually, but the prediction has to be good
[12:57] <costyn> i can borrow a replay xd from a friend for a next flight: [costyn@lolwut:~]$ host 2001:7F8:13::A504:1445:1 (21-09 13:59)
[12:57] <costyn> domain name pointer netground.globalswitch.nlsix.net.
[12:57] <costyn> [costyn@lolwut:~]$ host 2001:7f8:1::a504:1445:1 (21-09 14:00)
[12:58] <costyn> domain name pointer ams-ix.cr1.gs.netground.nl.
[12:58] <costyn> gee
[12:58] <costyn> sorry, old paste buffer
[12:58] <costyn> http://replayxd.com/
[12:58] <fsphil> lolwut :p
[12:59] <costyn> yea one of our mgmt servers is called lolwut
[12:59] <costyn> another is lolcathost
[12:59] <costyn> we had more memes, but then it got confusing and ridiculous
[12:59] <fsphil> my theme for ages was nintendo characters
[13:00] <fsphil> that's a nice camera
[13:01] <DrLuke> I just called mine freddy
[13:02] <fsphil> is it a nightmare?
[13:02] <DrLuke> huh?
[13:03] <fsphil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddy_Krueger
[13:03] <eroomde> costyn: why replayxd?
[13:04] <DrLuke> fsphil: it's more of a inside joke with us, we once called a friend of us freddy for no real reason :)
[13:04] <costyn> eroomde: because it was sponsored I believe :)
[13:04] <DrLuke> even though his name was julian
[13:05] <eroomde> oh sorry didn't see back enough
[13:05] <eroomde> well anyway, i have used them before
[13:05] <eroomde> tken them apart, soldered wires on to make the flight-computer controlled
[13:05] <eroomde> they are nice
[13:08] <costyn> ah ok... well it's a loaner so I'll have to turn it on manually
[13:11] <DrLuke> the gopro actually has a control interface, doesn't it?
[13:20] <Randomskk> kinda yes
[13:20] <Randomskk> I remember flying four gopros and then we nearly didn't get them back
[13:20] <Randomskk> that was really entertaining
[13:23] <eroomde> i remember flying a gorp
[13:23] <eroomde> pro*
[13:23] <eroomde> which we definitely didn;t get back
[13:26] <Randomskk> :P
[13:26] <Randomskk> yes I recall that budget line item
[13:26] <Randomskk> but it was an order of magnitude smaller than say the rocket fuel which we also didn't get back
[13:26] <Randomskk> have your expenses for marlet even been sorted out? I don't recall giving you any money
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[13:36] <eroomde> Randomskk: jesus only knows
[13:37] <Randomskk> well I mean I do have a full, double-entered set of books
[13:38] <Randomskk> which is reconciled with the bank statements and job code statements
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[15:41] <cuddykid> ping Upu_London
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[15:43] <jgrahamc> I'm wondering about bringing GAGA-1 to the conference tomorrow. Is there a table or something for people to show their stuff?
[15:43] <Upu_London> hey cuddykid
[15:43] <Upu_London> jgrahamc I think at last count there are 4 payloads there so another one won't cause an issue :)
[15:44] <cuddykid> hiya Upu_London - quick question - wonder if you would be able to increase bandwidth again?! Had a surge of visitors over the past 2 days and hit the limit again! No worries if you can't :)
[15:44] <jgrahamc> OK. I'll see if I can stuff it in my pannier then.
[15:44] <Upu_London> hit it again ?
[15:44] <Upu_London> wow 1 sec
[15:45] <Upu_London> see if I have access from here
[15:45] <cuddykid> Upu_London: yep! not sure why the unbelievable surge in the past 2 days - it did appear in a main french newspaper so perhaps that might be why
[15:45] <Upu_London> whats your user name ?
[15:45] <cuddykid> cheers - no worries if you can't do it :)
[15:45] <cuddykid> acudwort
[15:45] <Upu_London> be quicker to call the office 1 sec
[15:46] <Upu_London> ok should be sorted in 5 mins cuddykid
[15:46] <mattbrejza> hmm i wonder where Upu_London is atm...
[15:46] <cuddykid> ah fantastic - thanks a lot Upu_London!
[15:47] <Upu_London> nps
[15:47] <Upu_London> thx for the 200 referals to the shop :)
[15:47] <cuddykid> was just writing a blog post and wondered why it wouldn't save :P
[15:47] <cuddykid> oooo - good :D
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[15:48] <mattbrejza> btw Upu_London, steve hasnt added me to the list of attendees, assuming he hasnt got round to it yet?
[15:49] <Upu_London> you are Steve
[15:49] <Upu_London> Steve dropped out
[15:49] <mattbrejza> oh ok
[15:49] <mattbrejza> he didnt confirm payment or anything
[15:49] <Upu_London> he's been super busy
[15:49] <mattbrejza> must be busy
[15:49] <mattbrejza> :)
[15:49] <Upu_London> cuddykid fixed
[15:49] <cuddykid> cheers Upu_London - have a good time tomorrow - I'll try and watch online when I get chance :)
[15:50] <mattbrejza> should we expect to see another balloon launch on the bbc by him at some point then?
[15:50] <Hix> does anyone know if jcoxon added me to the waiting list?
[15:50] <Upu_London> no one else has dropped out
[15:50] <Hix> bummer
[15:51] <mattbrejza> btw so we can find it tomorrow, turn on a payload, and we can follow with yagis and radios
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[15:51] <Upu_London> I've put a balloon on the place
[15:52] <mattbrejza> yea i saw
[15:52] <Upu_London> but Just for giggles I have a PAVA payload and a mag mount antenna
[15:52] <MrScienceMan> Txing ?
[15:52] <Upu_London> bonus points to anyone who RX's it
[15:52] <mattbrejza> might be in the range of apex
[15:53] <Upu_London> possibly
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[15:54] <fsphil> I could fire up swift, see if anyone can hear it
[15:55] <kokey> I better read the announcements if there are any
[15:55] <kokey> I know I signed up, paid, and have the time and address
[15:56] <kokey> barely had time to think the past couple of weeks so I am not up to date with much
[15:56] <Upu_London> booked a place kokey ?
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[15:57] <kokey> I think so, I'm Kriek Jooste
[15:58] <kokey> I'm on the people who have paid list at least
[15:58] <Upu_London> yep you are
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[16:00] <Upu_London> so basically just turn up kokey :)
[16:00] <mattbrejza> no fancy tickets with holograms?
[16:01] <kokey> tickets marked with a special scent
[16:01] <kokey> that two trained dogs can identify
[16:01] <Upu_London> no better than that mattbrejza
[16:01] <mattbrejza> hmm interesting
[16:01] <fsphil> ack, I forgot my yellow duct tape
[16:01] <Upu_London> I brought the remains of the pink :)
[16:04] <fsphil> drat
[16:05] <Upu_London> everyone gets a pink balloon mattbrejza :)
[16:06] <mattbrejza> ah
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[16:08] <eroomde> steve dropped out?
[16:08] <eroomde> that's a fail
[16:08] <Upu_London> yeah commercial work
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[16:08] <eroomde> too much hab to hab
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[16:10] <mattbrejza> i hope noone has a centrally locked car near the conference that cant be opened by the ke
[16:10] <mattbrejza> y
[16:10] <Upu_London> I know
[16:10] <eroomde> doing commercial work is an accident waiting to habben
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[16:13] <jcoxon> afternoon all
[16:14] <eroomde> yo jcoxon
[16:15] <Darkside> hey jcoxon
[16:15] <Darkside> i hear you're bringing an 817?
[16:17] <jcoxon> yes
[16:18] <Darkside> could i use it in my talk?
[16:18] <jcoxon> uhuh
[16:18] <Hix> jcoxon, did anyone else on your list pull out?
[16:19] <eroomde> give your talk via the radio
[16:19] <eroomde> from the toilet or something
[16:19] <Darkside> eroomde: pff
[16:19] <eroomde> and leave a long lag between questions and answers
[16:19] <Darkside> eroomde: i've done that before actually
[16:19] <eroomde> because that's what australians do
[16:19] <Darkside> talk vua radio
[16:19] <Darkside> uh
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[16:20] <eroomde> cos of the distance the signal has to travel
[16:20] <eroomde> u see
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[16:23] <jcoxon> ping Upu
[16:24] <Hix> jcoxon, you want Upu_London today
[16:25] <jcoxon> ping Upu_London
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[16:31] <daveake> maybe he's found a whiskey bar?
[16:33] <kokey> they have those in london?
[16:33] <kokey> ;-)
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[16:34] <G0DJA> jcoxon he's gone out tasting wine
[16:34] <jcoxon> okeydokey
[16:34] <jcoxon> i guess we are set...
[16:34] <jcoxon> Darkside, did you want the mic for the 817?
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[16:36] <Darkside> jcoxon: nah
[16:36] <jcoxon> just the radio?
[16:37] <jcoxon> i need to find the power cable...
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[16:40] <Darkside> jcoxon: i have an interface for it
[16:40] <Darkside> a whip antenna or something to go on it would be useful too
[16:40] <jcoxon> cool
[16:40] <jcoxon> yeah got that too
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[16:40] <Darkside> cool
[16:40] <jcoxon> just need to find the power cable
[16:40] <jcoxon> its somewhere
[16:40] Action: jcoxon shouldn't have moved house recently
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[16:46] <daveake> jcoxon You need a power supply for the 817?
[16:50] <jcoxon> if you've got one prob best bring
[16:50] <jcoxon> high chance i won't find it...
[16:50] <daveake> Can do np. I'll stick it in my bag now
[16:53] <fsphil> jcoxon: I have a power cable for it
[16:53] <fsphil> well, the vx7 but it's the same
[16:54] <fsphil> brb
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[17:03] <cuddykid> anyone know of a cheap GSM/GPRS module?
[17:04] <Hix> I've got a load of Siemens MC55's £15
[17:05] <Hix> but they'll need a board and a hirose connector
[17:05] <Hix> if thats any use?
[17:05] <Hix> small too
[17:06] <cuddykid> Hix: are they easy(ish) to interface?
[17:07] <Hix> seem to be. you need a small hirose smd connector onto your board but apart from that they are AT command driven, which seems pretty straightforward Tims blog has info on AT
[17:08] <cuddykid> excellent - I'll have a read up on internet about them
[17:09] <Hix> I'll send you some info when I can access it, the switch to linux has left data all over the show
[17:10] <Hix> connector: https://www.sugarsync.com/pf/D7853438_729_699070552
[17:11] <Hix> MC55 : https://www.sugarsync.com/pf/D7853438_2375677_735548
[17:12] <Hix> and https://www.sugarsync.com/pf/D7853438_3567098_802015
[17:13] <cuddykid> thanks
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[17:16] <Darkside> jcoxon: ping
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[17:17] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[17:17] <DrLuke> hi
[17:18] <jcoxon> hey Darkside
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[17:18] <Darkside> jcoxon: will we have audio tomorrow?
[17:18] <Darkside> from laptops
[17:18] <Darkside> i want to annoy the audience with the sounds of 500 baud GFSK packets
[17:20] <jcoxon> yeah it think os
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[17:22] <Darkside> k
[17:22] <Darkside> if not, i'll use my laptop
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[17:22] <Hix> cuddykid, this is how small http://i.imgur.com/8LAo9.jpg
[17:22] <cuddykid> Hix: oh nice!
[17:22] <Hix> its an AAA battry too
[17:23] <Hix> battery
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[17:24] <jcoxon> bbl
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[17:25] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/embed/JJ9yn8vLdig balls
[17:25] <SpeedEvil> and cryogenics
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[17:28] <Lunar_Lander> HAB in Germany is in danger
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[17:30] <Hix> loving the health and safety procedure in that :D SpeedEvil
[17:34] <SpeedEvil> a good pair of running shoes.
[17:34] <x-f> Lunar_Lander, why?
[17:34] <Lunar_Lander> appearently flying without insurance is a breach of law which I wasn't told when I first contacted DFS
[17:35] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/embed/-fDM9Eb16Do eroomde this has clear implications for untapped markets for the sabre engine.
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[17:35] <SpeedEvil> :-(
[17:36] <x-f> :/
[17:36] <Lunar_Lander> thus I want to talk to mclane how he did it
[17:40] <eroomde> thanks SpeedEvil
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[18:41] <DrLuke> SpeedEvil: that man is crazy
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[18:47] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[18:47] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[18:47] <Lunar_Lander> did the conference start already?
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[18:55] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: you are in osnabruck right?
[18:55] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[18:56] <costyn> Holland is not that far. :) I will help you find a spot to launch and help you on the day itself if you want
[18:57] <costyn> my last launch site is 2 hours from you: http://www.flickr.com/photos/costyn/7921103268/in/set-72157631383626834
[18:57] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:57] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[18:57] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: if you want, you can use it. I will arrange it
[18:57] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: no NOTAMs no insurance
[18:58] <Lunar_Lander> wait, in NL you need no NOTAM?
[18:58] <costyn> nope
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[18:58] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[18:58] <Lunar_Lander> how comes?
[18:58] <costyn> if you adhere to the ICAO rules they let you do what you want
[18:58] <Hix> them Craazy dutch :)
[18:59] <Hix> hey costyn, i played with that video overlay last weekend. managed to get a ficticious GPS overlay from a csv file
[18:59] <Hix> in Adobe After Effects
[19:00] <Lunar_Lander> XD costyn
[19:00] <costyn> there are rules of course: payload has to stay below 4kg, less than 4 m^3 of He and the ballon has to be smaller than 2 meters in diameter at launch
[19:00] <costyn> Hix: cool, I actually made a script which produces subtitles from csv file for Radim
[19:00] <Lunar_Lander> ah the balloon itself?
[19:00] <Lunar_Lander> not like the UK rule that allows for foil balloons
[19:00] <Hix> <4Kg :D I may be going to NL with a big f-off Nikon payload :D
[19:01] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[19:01] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: it only has to be that small at launch
[19:01] <Hix> costyn, interesting, how does it work?
[19:01] <costyn> Hix: https://github.com/costyn/gps-csv2srt
[19:01] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[19:01] <Lunar_Lander> that means certain limits
[19:01] <Hix> cheers dude
[19:01] <Lunar_Lander> let me check burst calculator
[19:02] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: actually it says 2meters height; a 1600 will be taller at launch
[19:02] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:02] <Lunar_Lander> oh I can't access the burst calculator from habhub
[19:03] <Lunar_Lander> I just get the telekom page that says that the page doesn't exist anymore
[19:03] <costyn> Hix: it's still very ugly though. beta version :)
[19:03] <costyn> Hix: (and don't tell anyone here, but it's written in P.E.R.L.)
[19:03] <Hix> I'll try and get something to show you... yeah saw the pl extension
[19:04] <Lunar_Lander> costyn, that means 1600 may not be used?
[19:04] <Hix> just fill and launch from a trench
[19:04] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: well if you really want to abide by the letter of the law, but really, there's not going to be an official of the air-police at launch to measure the height of the balloon
[19:04] <Hix> <1600mm above ground level then
[19:04] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:05] <DrLuke> just keep in mind that if it enters germany post-launch you still need to abide by german law :)
[19:05] <costyn> yep
[19:05] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:05] <costyn> it says that too in the rules
[19:05] <DrLuke> actually cross country flights are even more complicated
[19:06] <Hix> cut down, ditch payload before border
[19:06] <DrLuke> you'll need a flight plan and whatnot
[19:06] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:07] <Lunar_Lander> how was it when Apex Alpha drifted across Europe?
[19:07] <Lunar_Lander> I don't think they filed a flight plan beforehand
[19:07] <DrLuke> then the flight was illegal :)
[19:07] <DrLuke> I mean, usually nobody will care
[19:07] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[19:07] <DrLuke> but IF anyone starts to care...
[19:07] <costyn> DrLuke: yes, it's nice to be legal
[19:07] <costyn> when the shit hits the fan
[19:07] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:07] <Lunar_Lander> I think so too
[19:08] <DrLuke> just keep in mind that fines are open ended
[19:08] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:08] <DrLuke> and it's suck to have a big debt or even prison time over a HAB
[19:08] <Hix> cut down
[19:08] <DrLuke> it'd *
[19:09] <costyn> not sure what you'd have to do to get prison time from something your balloon did
[19:09] <costyn> worst I can think of is it landing on a highway
[19:10] <DrLuke> kill someone
[19:10] <DrLuke> just imagine your payload hits a car and the driver gets scared and accidentally drives into a crowd
[19:10] <costyn> not sure how to with 600g in a styrofoam box?
[19:10] <costyn> ok I guess
[19:10] <DrLuke> it can happen
[19:11] <costyn> more likely is: what was that? <crunch!>
[19:11] <DrLuke> yeah, of course
[19:12] <gb73d> ive been watchin the apollo tv docus
[19:13] <gb73d> as a tribute to Neil
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[19:13] <gb73d> greatest adventure of all time and i was there age 9
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[19:13] <costyn> Hix: so as you can see, the script is very basic in functionality
[19:13] <gb73d> i am a v lucky man
[19:13] <costyn> gb73d: very cool. the documentaries are always awe inspiring
[19:14] <gb73d> yes ty esp Sat V launch !
[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> hello mclane
[19:14] <eroomde> i really wish i could have seen a sat V launch
[19:14] <DrLuke> the greates adventure of my time was the curiosity landing
[19:14] <DrLuke> ^
[19:15] <DrLuke> must be one hell of a feeling in your stomach
[19:15] <eroomde> having got my head around rocket engines a bit more this year, it makes them all the more amazing to me
[19:15] <Hiena> Geee...Anybody has experience with android sensor class programming?
[19:15] <gb73d> curiosity was a 100% success
[19:15] <DrLuke> I've been at the ILA this year, and ROSKOSMOS displayed a 4 meter high rocket engine
[19:15] <gb73d> like Apolo11
[19:16] <gb73d> true
[19:16] <DrLuke> sadly it didn't say what it belonged to
[19:16] <Darkside> eroomde: how about the big russian ones?
[19:16] <gb73d> vostok
[19:16] <DrLuke> and it's incredible how tiny the actual burn chamber is
[19:16] <Darkside> aren't some of them size comparable?
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[19:17] <eroomde> the russians do actually have the most powerful rocket engines ever flown
[19:17] <gb73d> nope sat V was largest rocket and fastest
[19:17] <eroomde> they are hecka impressive
[19:17] <gb73d> need to be
[19:17] <DrLuke> rocket and rocket engine is a difference
[19:17] <gb73d> 5 motors
[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> eroomde, you mean the engines of the Energia rocket?
[19:17] <gb73d> 3 stages
[19:18] <gb73d> landing on Mars
[19:18] <gb73d> manned
[19:18] <Hix> didn't NASA buy the tech fro saturn from Russia
[19:18] <gb73d> that will be ur day
[19:18] <DrLuke> thinking about the Sat V it's kind of mindboggling it even was able to fly
[19:18] <eroomde> yes i'm talking about engines
[19:18] <Hix> *for
[19:18] <DrLuke> Hix: no, Werner von Braun was the head behind it (afaik)
[19:19] <eroomde> the russian engines are i think the most powerful, certainly the most thrust per unit mass
[19:19] <eroomde> i.e. power dense
[19:19] <gb73d> biggest firework
[19:19] <Hix> V2 dude?
[19:19] <DrLuke> yeah
[19:19] <eroomde> and they are some pretty remarkable bits of engineering
[19:19] <Lunar_Lander> mclane, are you there?
[19:19] <DrLuke> did the russians actually have any deaths in their space ventures besides that one capsule where the parachute didn't open?
[19:19] <eroomde> Hix: the US have got some engines from russia but that's more recent
[19:20] <Lunar_Lander> Soyuz 1 that is DrLuke
[19:20] <Hix> thought so
[19:20] <Lunar_Lander> Soyuz 11 was also fatal
[19:20] <eroomde> DrLuke: yeah there was alsmot certainly a lot of stuff early on that we don;t hear about
[19:20] <Lunar_Lander> when the modules separated, a vent valve opened draining the descent module of air
[19:20] <Hix> wasnt there a cadaver launched
[19:20] <Lunar_Lander> so the three cosmonauts died
[19:21] <Lunar_Lander> Hix, they only launched dogs and some sort of crash test dummys
[19:21] <DrLuke> ouch
[19:21] <DrLuke> seems tragic
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[19:21] <eroomde> certainly both space programs have used cadavas for tests quite a bit
[19:21] <DrLuke> man, I love the russian space program
[19:21] <eroomde> again it's not particularly publicised
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[19:21] <eroomde> but even today they do it
[19:21] <DrLuke> their crafts looks so amazing
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz_11
[19:22] <Darkside> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-1_rocket
[19:22] <Hix> eroomde, not really good PR :)
[19:22] <eroomde> indeed
[19:22] <Darkside> eroomde: is that the one you're thinking of?
[19:22] <Darkside> the huge first stage
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energia
[19:22] <eroomde> Darkside: not the RD-170 is the engine
[19:22] <Hix> biab
[19:22] <Darkside> bloody hell, 30 main engines
[19:22] <eroomde> again, engine rather than whole rocket
[19:23] <eroomde> i'm not so interested in the whole rocket bit. engines are the fun part :)
[19:23] <eroomde> s/not the /no the/
[19:23] <Lunar_Lander> eroomde, so you mean the Zenit which had been the boosters of Energia?
[19:23] <DrLuke> I hope to one day be employed in the space industry
[19:23] <DrLuke> that's my goal after university
[19:24] <eroomde> Lunar_Lander: yes
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[19:24] <eroomde> DrLuke: go for it
[19:24] <eroomde> it's fun
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> and Atlas V uses RD-180 afaik
[19:24] <DrLuke> it absolutely is
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> eroomde, btw the burst calculator website is dead I think
[19:24] <DrLuke> it's also a pretty safe job, as space will always be relevant
[19:25] <eroomde> works for me Lunar_Lander
[19:25] <eroomde> DrLuke: I'm hoping so
[19:25] <eroomde> though i am doing rocket engine research
[19:25] <eroomde> which is more risky
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[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.cuspaceflight.co.uk/ doesn't work
[19:25] <eroomde> Lunar_Lander: cusf.co.uk
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> just gives the Telekom website saying it's dead
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> ah
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[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> thanks!
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[19:28] <eroomde> DrLuke: do you have a specific interest within the space field?
[19:28] <DrLuke> not yet
[19:29] <DrLuke> I think everything is amazing
[19:29] <Lunar_Lander> and Atlas V uses RD-180 afaik
[19:29] <DrLuke> but if I had to pick one it'd be satellites probing other planets/bodies
[19:30] <eroomde> in principle that's super exciting
[19:30] <eroomde> in practice it's usually the worst kind of space agency slowly, beurocracy, rescoping, paper-pushing upsettingness
[19:30] <eroomde> i used to work on ExoMars
[19:30] <eroomde> quit that once i realised what it was actually like
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[19:31] <DrLuke> oh
[19:31] <Lunar_Lander> and Atlas V uses RD-180 afaik
[19:31] <DrLuke> eroomde: so how did you end up working at ESA?
[19:32] <eroomde> well, ESA is a slippery thing to define
[19:32] <eroomde> it's basically a big project office, with a large pot of money
[19:32] <eroomde> in theory they are project managers
[19:32] <eroomde> but basically they figure out what they want to do with the money, then invite industry to bid for things
[19:32] <DrLuke> oh
[19:33] <eroomde> so like, manufacture the cruise stage for exomars, manufactur the rover, purchase a launch from ariannespace, or whatever
[19:33] <eroomde> so really ESA is actually a huge number of large engineering firms, usually the big military-industrial ones like Thales Alenia and BAe and Astrium and so on
[19:33] <eroomde> and thousands of little specialist consultancies
[19:33] <eroomde> i worked for one of the little consultancies
[19:34] <eroomde> they were the people who designed the parachute landing system for huygens
[19:34] <DrLuke> ah
[19:34] <DrLuke> awesome
[19:34] <eroomde> and are parachute specialists within ESA
[19:34] <Lunar_Lander> btw did they finally decide what ExoMars will be like?
[19:34] <gb73d> manned landing on mars looking forward to that 1
[19:34] <eroomde> and so helping with the landing bit of exomars
[19:34] <eroomde> Lunar_Lander: no
[19:34] <DrLuke> so, aren't engineers excempt from all that bureaucracy?
[19:34] <eroomde> i doubt they ever will
[19:34] <eroomde> DrLuke: no, absolutely not
[19:34] <Lunar_Lander> so exomars will never fly?
[19:34] <eroomde> becase esa don;t really project manage
[19:35] <DrLuke> ah
[19:35] <eroomde> they will split something like exomars up among 4 or 5 big companies in 4 or 5 different countries (everyone has to get a slice of the cake)
[19:35] <DrLuke> I can see how that can lead to problems
[19:35] <eroomde> then those companies will spend millions of euros writing microsoft word documents about how the delays are one of the other company's fault
[19:35] <eroomde> and nothing will be agreed or get done
[19:36] <eroomde> it's the worst model for engineering I have ever encountered in all my life
[19:36] <eroomde> no, it might be slightly better for non flagship projects
[19:36] <eroomde> that are not so big and political
[19:36] <DrLuke> do you know anything about how it's at nasa?
[19:36] <eroomde> all the little self-contained research studies and smaller budget things and so on, although they are still a paperwork monster at any level
[19:36] <eroomde> but for the big stuff, it's paralysingly bad
[19:37] <eroomde> DrLuke: nopt much better at nasa
[19:37] <DrLuke> so in your time there, did you get any engineering work done?
[19:37] <eroomde> but nasa is again hard to pin down
[19:37] <eroomde> DrLuke: very little
[19:37] <Lunar_Lander> so exomars will never fly?
[19:37] <eroomde> Lunar_Lander: who knows
[19:37] <eroomde> i don;t even know what it is now
[19:37] <DrLuke> damn, you're bursting my bubble right now :(
[19:37] <eroomde> it suddenly became 2 missions in 2016 and 2018
[19:37] <eroomde> with a demo lander, basically landing a brick
[19:37] <eroomde> then landing the rover
[19:37] <eroomde> then a brick and a rover
[19:37] <eroomde> then none
[19:38] <SpeedEvil> see the costs of spacex vs NASA development
[19:38] <eroomde> i just don;t know or care
[19:38] <eroomde> DrLuke: no, there is light
[19:38] <eroomde> well, there is for me
[19:38] <eroomde> i am working on skylon
[19:38] <eroomde> specifically the sabre engine
[19:38] <eroomde> with a very small team of bright people
[19:38] <gb73d> ur reaction engines ?
[19:39] <eroomde> i am ed
[19:39] <gb73d> i am BIS member
[19:39] <eroomde> ah grand
[19:39] <SpeedEvil> how large is reaction engines (people)
[19:39] <gb73d> i know K Long
[19:39] <DrLuke> holy cow
[19:39] <Lunar_Lander> SpaceX never can hold schedules
[19:39] <eroomde> Yes, I've bumped into him a few times at BIS things
[19:39] <eroomde> were you at the people and propellants thing in cosford last year?
[19:39] <gb73d> nope
[19:39] <SpeedEvil> Lunar_Lander: hard to see if it's them or NASA from the outside
[19:40] <eroomde> DrLuke: anyway, it's really exciting, and among some of the most interesting engineering going on in the world at the moment
[19:40] <gb73d> last thing i did was BIS at RAL about solar monitoring
[19:40] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[19:40] <DrLuke> I envy you :)
[19:40] <Lunar_Lander> SpeedEvil, but Musk always talks about going to Mars and building huge rockets but never gets ahead
[19:40] <eroomde> gb73d: have you spotted the elon musk lecture at RAeS in nov?
[19:40] <Hix> ha ha who tripped eroomde out this time :D
[19:40] <DrLuke> me :P
[19:40] <eroomde> DrLuke
[19:40] <eroomde> :)
[19:40] <Hix> quality
[19:41] <Hix> you remind me of me at work
[19:41] <eroomde> but it's career advice this time
[19:41] <DrLuke> eroomde: on what part exactly are you working?
[19:41] <SpeedEvil> Lunar_Lander: his rockets are getting huger, plotted over time,
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[19:41] <eroomde> DrLuke: so, I can't obviously say explicitly much
[19:41] <DrLuke> of course
[19:41] <eroomde> but i work at westcott where all the experimental engines get fired
[19:41] <DrLuke> awesome =)
[19:42] <Hix> what was the news from REL? eroomde
[19:42] <eroomde> Hix: SolidWorks
[19:42] <DrLuke> well, if you need a german EE engineer in 7 or 8 years, you'll know where to find me :P
[19:42] <eroomde> and generally on the lookout for people, recruiters floating around the building constantly having meetings
[19:42] <Hix> oooh man, thats lamew
[19:42] <Hix> lame
[19:42] <eroomde> DrLuke: so, we do all the EE in house
[19:42] <Hix> I can use solidworks but it's a nit pony
[19:43] <Hix> bit
[19:43] <eroomde> we have some really nice home-brew datalogging gear for the static testing, and are building some really cool stuff i'd love to talk about for a project i'd love to talk about
[19:43] <SpeedEvil> -
[19:43] <eroomde> but sadly i have to be vague cos zuesbot logs everything
[19:43] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[19:43] <Hix> :D
[19:43] <eroomde> but if you're into EE, control, signal prog, whatever, there's some really fun stuff going on
[19:43] <DrLuke> :)
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[19:44] <eroomde> aswell as thermodynamics obviously. it's a thermodynamacist's wet dream
[19:44] <eroomde> DrLuke: pay close attention to my talk tomorrow
[19:44] <Hix> they could make a proper f-off jettle :)
[19:44] <DrLuke> Oh I will
[19:45] <SpeedEvil> is all available public ally?
[19:45] <SpeedEvil> talk
[19:45] <eroomde> yeah being streamed
[19:45] <Hix> try not to scratch your balls too much whilst talking eroomde
[19:45] <Hix> Upu_London, said he's putting it on youtube
[19:45] <Hix> Ed Balls :D
[19:46] <DrLuke> http://www.wimp.com/prototypeengine/
[19:46] <eroomde> the talk is entirely just the hobby stuff we've been doing after hours at work. but there have been a few fun ideas that have come from the hobby stuff that are finding applications in actual stuff. which is all i can really say. it's annoying cos it's damn cool
[19:46] <DrLuke> I knew the shape of the engine was familiar
[19:46] <eroomde> heh
[19:46] <eroomde> i like that vid
[19:47] <eroomde> you can see some of the stuff i've built
[19:47] <eroomde> aswell as actual skylon hardware, i made the little box that turns that viper jet engine on
[19:47] <eroomde> it previously had some horrible old 1960s rolls royce old testment startup system
[19:48] <Hix> SR71++
[19:48] <eroomde> replaced it with our own igniter (oxygen hydrogen jet into combustion chamber) and startup sequence
[19:48] <eroomde> i love the startup noise
[19:49] <eroomde> also the rain you can see is from the steam evaporator
[19:49] <eroomde> not the sky
[19:49] <DrLuke> the video is a bit disappointing because the engine doesn't actually run
[19:49] <Hix> refined kerosene is smell porn
[19:49] <DrLuke> oh
[19:49] <eroomde> DrLuke: the jet engine does briefly
[19:50] <eroomde> but that's not the sabre or anything, the jet engine is just to provide some suction to test the precooler
[19:50] <Hix> see when you use solidworks the engine comes out bent
[19:50] <Hix> ;p
[19:51] <DrLuke> oh
[19:51] <eroomde> sabre engine is the next job
[19:52] <DrLuke> so, right now you've only got that cooling system?
[19:52] <eroomde> yep
[19:52] <eroomde> that is the hardest bit
[19:52] <eroomde> we think :)
[19:52] <DrLuke> cool (no pun intended :P)
[19:52] <eroomde> well, it is the most unknown, most 'new' bit
[19:52] <DrLuke> ok it was intended
[19:53] <eroomde> the rest of the engine is better understood and proven
[19:53] <DrLuke> This is really exciting
[19:53] <eroomde> but the precooler is a step above anything, in terms of power density, that has ever been attempted before
[19:53] <DrLuke> if it really lives up to it's promise, it could truly revolutionize space travel
[19:53] <eroomde> if a domestic house water boiler could use the same technology as our precooler, it would only need to be the size of a box of matches
[19:54] <Hix> its kin quick for that temp drop
[19:54] <eroomde> yes
[19:54] <DrLuke> wow
[19:54] <eroomde> >1000K in 10ms
[19:54] <DrLuke> for 1 liter?
[19:55] <griffonbot> Received email: Dave B "Re: [UKHAS] Remote tracking of payloads"
[19:55] <eroomde> DrLuke: it cools air that fast at really high mass flows
[19:55] <gb73d> bb sunday
[19:55] <eroomde> well, about mach 5 at the engine intake
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[19:56] <eroomde> so it's many man cubic meters per second
[19:56] <eroomde> many*
[19:56] <DrLuke> nice
[19:56] <DrLuke> I can't wait to see it fly
[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[19:57] <eroomde> i think the power density is, just trying to sanity check this in my head
[19:57] <eroomde> but yes
[19:57] <eroomde> i think it's about 1 GW/m^3
[19:57] <DrLuke> holy crap
[19:58] <DrLuke> are you sure you didn't just drop magic powder in there somewhere?
[19:58] <eroomde> this is where we get in trouble
[19:58] <eroomde> if we say anything
[19:58] <DrLuke> Yeah, I understand
[19:59] <DrLuke> NDAs are there for a reason
[19:59] <fsphil> chemical x
[19:59] <DrLuke> more like chemical cool
[19:59] <DrLuke> :P
[20:01] <eroomde> we should change the subject away from how it works
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[20:01] <DrLuke> yep
[20:01] <Lunar_Lander> balloons are cool!
[20:02] <eroomde> DrLuke: i don't know for sure but there might be options for summer internships if you're interested
[20:03] <DrLuke> That would be most awesome
[20:03] <DrLuke> I have to do an internship during my bachelor
[20:04] <eroomde> well, drop me an email sometime and i'll ask around
[20:04] <DrLuke> let me check really quick
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[20:19] <griffonbot> @ApexLumia: I'm at 51.3496, -0.2283 at an altitude of 0.0m #apexhab #ukhas [http://twitter.com/ApexLumia/status/249241513949790209]
[20:19] <griffonbot> @ApexLumia: I'm at 51.3496, -0.2283 at an altitude of 50.0m #apexhab #ukhas [http://twitter.com/ApexLumia/status/249241518244773888]
[20:20] <griffonbot> @ApexLumia: I'm at 51.3496, -0.2283 at an altitude of 52.0m #apexhab #ukhas [http://twitter.com/ApexLumia/status/249241801691656192]
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[20:22] <griffonbot> @PD3EM: On my way to #UKHAS 2012 http://t.co/1nvkrBTA [http://twitter.com/PD3EM/status/249242234854178817]
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[20:28] <KT5TK_QRL> Will you have some video stream from the UKHAS 2012 conference for us DX listeners?
[20:30] <fsphil> indeed KT5TK_QRL
[20:30] <KT5TK_QRL> How can we access it?
[20:30] <KT5TK_QRL> Sounds great
[20:30] <fsphil> it will be streamed on batc.tv
[20:31] <fsphil> exact url seems to have esscaped me
[20:31] <KT5TK_QRL> ok, will it be in the live events list?
[20:32] <fsphil> http://www.batc.tv/streams/ukhas
[20:32] <fsphil> that I'm not sure, but that link should take you straight to it
[20:32] <KT5TK_QRL> Ah, ok. Will check tomorrow in the very early morning.
[20:33] <KT5TK_QRL> It's 4:30 am for me in Texas I guess
[20:33] <fsphil> it's no fun being up that early :)
[20:34] <griffonbot> @ApexLumia: I'm at 51.3496, -0.2282 at an altitude of 38.2m #apexhab #ukhas [http://twitter.com/ApexLumia/status/249245281114279936]
[20:35] <KT5TK_QRL> Maybe I'll stay awake to get the first talk and go to bed later :/
[20:35] <fsphil> it'll all be recorded too
[20:35] <KT5TK_QRL> talks I mean
[20:36] <KT5TK_QRL> Yes, but only live is authentic ...
[20:37] <KT5TK_QRL> I'll need to make some stupid comments ;)
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[20:38] <KT5TK_QRL> In any case thanks so much for doing all this!
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[20:39] <fsphil> the guys behind it have done some great work organising it
[20:40] <KT5TK_QRL> Agreed.
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[20:48] <DrLuke> I just hope the recording quality will be better this time, I've watched some old ones and sadly the audio was quite bad
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> and this in the days of HD cameras
[20:49] <eroomde> i'll try and speak loudly and clearly
[20:50] <DrLuke> scream if you have to! :P
[20:50] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[20:50] <fsphil> the audio in the HD recordings where bad, the camera was at the back of the room
[20:50] <DrLuke> the problem wasn't the people talking, but rather the camera
[20:50] <Lunar_Lander> btw do you want to have a laugh about something completely different?
[20:50] <DrLuke> always
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[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> do you know the simulators by astragon?
[20:51] <DrLuke> nope
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> like bus simulator and train simulator and trash truck simulator
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> that's good
[20:51] <DrLuke> aaah
[20:51] <DrLuke> those
[20:51] <DrLuke> yeah
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> in the field of buses there is something much better, called OMSI
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> Omnibus Simulator
[20:52] <Lunar_Lander> and someone from the UK has a go at that one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PKgYV_W_SA&feature=relmfu
[20:52] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:52] <DrLuke> :)
[20:53] <Darkside> i still think desert bus is better
[20:53] <DrLuke> haha
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[20:54] <eroomde> um
[20:54] <eroomde> sorry to butt in
[20:54] <eroomde> are we talking about bus simulators here?
[20:54] <Laurenceb_> i dont need bus simulators
[20:55] <Laurenceb_> i catch one to work
[20:55] <Laurenceb_> maybe i could make a real life simulator
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> it's hilarious when he talks about the side window at 3:20 xD
[20:55] <fsphil> better than life
[20:55] <eroomde> "23:40 best part!"
[20:55] <eroomde> is this a joke?
[20:55] <jonsowman> I2C what you did there.
[20:56] <DrLuke> I love the window
[20:56] <Lunar_Lander> 23:52 is the part
[20:56] <Laurenceb_> nerd^3
[20:56] <eroomde> what the hell is going on?
[20:57] <eroomde> is this like 'the game' or are we actually talking about bus simulators?
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> xD he noticed in the last second that the game is in germany
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> we are talking about this particular "Let's Play"
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[20:57] <fsphil> yea not making sence to me either :)
[20:57] <fsphil> sense too
[20:58] <DrLuke> lunar_lander derailed this channel
[20:58] <eroomde> but
[20:58] <eroomde> someone has written a BUS SIMULATOR?
[20:58] <Lunar_Lander> yeah, and OMSI took 4 years to develop afaik
[20:58] <DanielRichman> err
[20:58] <DanielRichman> http://www.excalibur-publishing.com/garbagetruck.htm
[20:58] <fsphil> the best part is the bit where you don't load it
[20:59] <fsphil> the only winning move is not to play
[20:59] <eroomde> what the hell?
[20:59] <Lunar_Lander> DanielRichman, yeah those are crap
[20:59] <DanielRichman> who cares, it's a garbage truck
[20:59] <eroomde> i feel like everything i thought I knew about the universe is a lie
[20:59] <Lunar_Lander> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnpWQfnolIU&feature=plcp
[20:59] <Lunar_Lander> the beginning is reminding me of Robot Wars
[20:59] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:59] <DrLuke> OMSI looks awesome
[20:59] <DrLuke> I kinda want to try it now
[20:59] <Lunar_Lander> at 10 seconds
[21:00] <eroomde> THIS IS TERRIBLE
[21:00] <eroomde> STOP TALKING ABOUT IT
[21:00] <eroomde> I WANT THIS ERASED
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> XD it reminds me right of great robots like Chaos 2
[21:01] <eroomde> if someone talks about simulating cutting the grass again i will go into kill mode
[21:01] <fsphil> this topic just going to end up going round and round
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> Chaos 2 was awesome
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> DrLuke, do you remember Robot Wars?
[21:01] <DrLuke> nope
[21:01] <DrLuke> I wish there was a lawnmower simulator
[21:02] <DrLuke> :)
[21:02] <Lunar_Lander> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jYTotkRN5g
[21:03] <Lunar_Lander> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THaSsVY_WOc&feature=related
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> that was robot wars
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> awesome show
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[21:07] <jcoxon> evening all
[21:07] <Lunar_Lander> hi jcoxon
[21:07] <Lunar_Lander> we are discussing Robot Wars and buses
[21:08] <DrLuke> hey
[21:09] <jcoxon> oh
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> jcoxon, what do you think about Robot Wars?
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[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> DrLuke, what do you think about it after the two examples?
[21:19] <DrLuke> it's brutal
[21:19] <jonsowman> let's try and stay a little more on topic perhaps :)
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> let's do like a HAB chasing Bus
[21:25] <DrLuke> party bus
[21:25] <jcoxon> everyone set for tomorrow
[21:25] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:25] <fsphil> sorta :)
[21:26] <DrLuke> Well, I'm looking forward to seeing the stream
[21:26] <jcoxon> fsphil, you over yet?
[21:26] <fsphil> jcoxon, mind if I use one of your pics from pegasus vii?
[21:26] <DrLuke> Maybe I'll be there in person next year
[21:26] <fsphil> jcoxon: indeed! sitting in a hotel atm
[21:26] <jcoxon> fsphil, where is your hotel?
[21:26] <jcoxon> fsphil, no problem
[21:26] <jcoxon> sstv pic is it?
[21:26] <fsphil> yea
[21:26] <Lunar_Lander> hey I got two ideas for space exploration
[21:27] <fsphil> I'm in Cambertown is it?
[21:27] <fsphil> Camberwell
[21:27] <Lunar_Lander> we need a probe to land on Olympus Mons on mars
[21:27] <jcoxon> fsphil, you should have said
[21:27] <jcoxon> we could have gone to the pub!
[21:27] <Lunar_Lander> what do you think about that?
[21:28] <fsphil> ack! you're not far then?
[21:28] <jcoxon> about 2 miles
[21:28] <jcoxon> bit late now
[21:28] <DrLuke> it's never too late to get piss drunk :)
[21:28] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
[21:28] <fsphil> yes it is :)
[21:28] <fsphil> I'm only 10% awake at this point
[21:28] <Lunar_Lander> we need a probe to land on Olympus Mons on mars
[21:29] <Lunar_Lander> what do you think about that?
[21:29] <DrLuke> why
[21:29] <Lunar_Lander> because we need to explore it
[21:29] <DrLuke> why
[21:29] <Lunar_Lander> it is the biggest mountain in the solar system
[21:30] <DrLuke> you can do that from space
[21:30] <Lunar_Lander> yeah but if you land on it, Carl Sagan would be so proud
[21:30] <DrLuke> but there are more interesting places to land at
[21:31] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[21:31] <Lunar_Lander> ok the second idea
[21:31] <Lunar_Lander> send a probe into the sun!
[21:31] <fsphil> you'd better do it at night or it will melt
[21:31] <DrLuke> there's no material that could withstand the heat, besides there's nothing interesting in the sun either
[21:31] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[21:32] <DrLuke> atleast nothing that we don't know of already
[21:32] <Lunar_Lander> so a solar impactor is not a good idea?
[21:32] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander, are you drunk?
[21:32] <Lunar_Lander> I mean they are planning Solar Probe Plus now
[21:32] <Lunar_Lander> jcoxon, no, last thing I drank was a cup of tea
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> jcoxon, why are you asking?
[21:38] <jcoxon> just a little crazy ideas
[21:38] <DrLuke> :)
[21:38] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> well you didn't ask about my idea of making a movie in which a guy steals a bus and then discovers that the bus is an intelligent machine that fights villains
[21:39] <fsphil> Any word from Dan, has he reached blighty?
[21:39] <jcoxon> yeah he is here
[21:39] <jcoxon> he is staying with me this weekend
[21:40] <natrium42> dan's the man
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> jcoxon, greet him from me
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> and the sequel will be called
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> "Duel of the Buses"
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[21:41] <natrium42> Lunar_Lander: trailer --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkTw7J-hGmg
[21:42] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[21:45] <Lunar_Lander> natrium42, is that in Russia like the one commentator says?
[21:45] <natrium42> it could be
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=0Ou-aYa4hAw signs are in russian
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[21:54] <DrLuke> is anybody here using quassel?
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[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> I got xchat on linux
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[22:12] <griffonbot> Received email: Neil Baker "[UKHAS] Re: Remote tracking of payloads"
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[22:16] <DrLuke> you know, if you used quassel you wouldn't need a new nick for each device
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[22:23] <Lunar_Lander> ah
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[22:28] <Randomskk> or irssi
[22:31] <MrScienceMan> the simplicity of irssi
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[23:34] <Hix> tis good
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