highaltitude.log.20120916

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[00:20] <zyp> Lunar_Lander__, I have no idea about how to drive a train, but it surely can't be that hard, considering it only goes either forwards or backwards unless you're derailing :p
[00:20] <Lunar_Lander__> yeah xD
[00:20] <Lunar_Lander__> he didn't care about signals and stuff
[00:20] <Lunar_Lander__> and at one point he approached a station at 75 mph and hit emergency brakes to stop in time xD
[00:22] <zyp> that's how I always park my car
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[00:22] <Lunar_Lander__> xD
[00:23] <Lunar_Lander__> he was a bit like Wheatly in Portal 2
[00:23] <Lunar_Lander__> when the AWS alarm sounded he was like shut up, shut up
[00:23] <Lunar_Lander__> xD
[00:23] <Lunar_Lander__> best thing was when he saw the radio telephone which was like a phone receiver
[00:24] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLtpSZOvMUE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[00:24] <Lunar_Lander__> "Oh telephone and below is a attached a mini-microwave for heating mini-pizza"
[00:24] <Lunar_Lander__> xD
[00:24] <zyp> I don't think driving an actual train would be very hard if you know how to drive a car, I think the hardest part would be remembering that I have a bunch of carriages that also have to come through the same curve as I just passed before I can accelerate :p
[00:24] <Lunar_Lander__> yeah
[00:24] <Lunar_Lander__> SpeedEvil, yeah
[00:25] <Lunar_Lander__> sad that no one commenting knows the movie that was in
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[00:26] <zyp> hmm, I think I've seen that, years ago
[00:26] <zyp> but I forgot which
[00:26] <Lunar_Lander__> Jackie Chan is Nobody
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[00:35] <Lunar_Lander__> very good movie
[00:36] <Lunar_Lander__> especially the wooden shoe fighting in Rotterdamm
[00:36] <Lunar_Lander__> -m
[00:36] <Lunar_Lander__> XD
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[00:40] <tep> good day&. anyone have any info on the "earthbreeze" ballon that went missing a few days ago? From WI USA if I recall correctly
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[09:15] <nosebleedkt> why IRC hates me ?
[09:15] <costyn> why do you say that?
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[09:15] <nosebleedkt> i get DC
[09:16] <nosebleedkt> i changed server
[09:16] <nosebleedkt> still the same
[09:16] <nosebleedkt> :P
[09:17] <costyn> yes irc hates you
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[09:17] <nosebleedkt> hhaha
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[09:25] <fsphil> or more likely his isp sucks :)
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[09:49] <G0DJA> On another channel got this message "From mrmist [Global Notice] - We've had some hardware problems this morning on the server that hosts services for us. We're currently working on moving services to another host. In the meantime, nickserv, chanserv etc. are not available. Thanks for your patience and thanks for flying freenode"
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[10:01] <griffonbot> Received email: MikeB "[UKHAS] Comparison of AA batteries"
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[10:17] <RocketBoy> afk
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[10:49] <cuddykid> "i want to know the instruments list you used to make this project .i want guidance and step by step procedure too..please i hope a positive reply...sooonn,&" lol
[10:52] <MrScienceMan> :(
[10:53] <daveake> I'm sure you can be positive when you tell him to bugger off
[10:53] <MrScienceMan> we should just sell really to fly kits
[10:53] <daveake> nooooooooooooooo
[10:54] <cuddykid> I've had so many requests for 'step by step guidance' - ridiculous
[10:54] <MrScienceMan> :)
[10:55] <daveake> I've only had a couple. "Please send hardware list and wiring diagram and source codes"
[10:55] <cuddykid> haha yep, that sounds familiar lol
[10:55] <daveake> possibly the same people :)
[10:57] <cuddykid> probably :)
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[11:08] <RocketBoy> I constantly get stupid questions like what size parachute do in need for balloon X
[11:09] <RocketBoy> what I really want to say is go away and learn a lot more before attempting a flight
[11:09] <daveake> There was someone here asking that a day or two back
[11:10] <daveake> I month or so ago I checked back to see what my very first post here was - "How do I get my payload doc uploaded?".
[11:11] <daveake> these days it's usually "how is arduino?"
[11:14] <BrainDamage> well, you got more exposure too, and arduino is sorta hip
[11:14] <BrainDamage> so you attract a broader spectrum of people
[11:14] <BrainDamage> + cognitive bias :p
[11:22] <Hiena> Ehehehehe...
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[12:39] <nosebleedkt> hi
[12:39] <nosebleedkt> wanna test my irc connection from another plac
[12:39] <nosebleedkt> place*
[12:40] <nosebleedkt> looks good
[12:40] <cuddykid> yep
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[12:49] <fsphil> your isp must have some issues nosebleedkt
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[13:08] <nosebleedkt> yes
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[13:23] <nosebleedkt> did I lost any mission?
[13:24] <fsphil> impossible to know
[13:29] <nosebleedkt> why? are you so busy these days? :P
[13:34] <fsphil> always busy me :)
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[13:50] <Darkside> hmm
[13:50] <Darkside> is it reasonable to say that most of the cutdown systems flown so far have been timeout or gps fence based?
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[13:55] <Laurenceb_> ive used both :P
[13:55] <Laurenceb_> oh ive used altitude cutdown for my rogallo
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[13:57] <Randomskk> Darkside: I think quite a few have been altitude based.
[13:57] <Darkside> yeah thats covered in gps fence i gues
[13:57] <Darkside> fenced off areas can have a fenced roof, right? >_>
[13:57] <Randomskk> haha yea fair enough
[13:57] <Randomskk> there have been ground-triggered cutdowns
[13:58] <Darkside> how were they triggered?
[13:58] <Randomskk> radio uplink
[13:58] <Darkside> i know CUSF has done the CW uplink
[13:58] <Darkside> and i guess people have done DTMF before
[13:58] <Laurenceb_> jcoxon made a ground triggered cutdown
[13:58] <Laurenceb_> it went of on the ground and nearly blew his hand off XD
[13:59] <Darkside> eek
[13:59] <Darkside> what was the radio link for that?
[13:59] <Darkside> i'd like to talk about other systems in my talk
[13:59] <Laurenceb_> i tried DTFM when i first got interested in the idea
[13:59] <Laurenceb_> back in 2003
[13:59] <Darkside> i'm already mentioning DTMF over FM stuff
[13:59] <Darkside> the problem with that is is requires a FM receiver
[13:59] <Laurenceb_> using DTMF over GSM
[13:59] <Darkside> NRX2 does that, but isn't agile
[13:59] <Darkside> lol
[13:59] <Darkside> wat
[13:59] <Laurenceb_> but there was too much interference
[13:59] <Darkside> so you rung up your payload?
[14:00] <Laurenceb_> yes
[14:00] <Darkside> haha
[14:00] <Laurenceb_> but the GSM screwed with the analogue too much
[14:00] <Laurenceb_> for it to be reliable
[14:00] <Darkside> yeah i bet it would
[14:00] <Darkside> why not just send a SMS?
[14:00] <Darkside> or didn't the modules do that?
[14:00] <Laurenceb_> i only had an ancient nokia
[14:00] <Darkside> or were you haxing a phone
[14:00] <Laurenceb_> with headphone socket
[14:00] <Darkside> ahhh
[14:01] <Darkside> so you set it to auto-answer
[14:01] <Darkside> and used the audio output
[14:01] <Laurenceb_> yes
[14:01] <Laurenceb_> i got an working with sms on an ericcsson t26 after that
[14:01] <Darkside> but sms at 35km
[14:01] <Darkside> kind of unreliable
[14:02] <MrScienceMan> kinda :P
[14:02] <Darkside> mm
[14:02] <Darkside> i must admit, doing the cutdown via DTMF has a certain appeal
[14:02] <Darkside> as you can use any handheld to trigger it
[14:02] <Darkside> but the cost ends up being more at the RX end, especially if you want it frequency agile
[14:03] <Darkside> and if you want it to me light
[14:03] <Darkside> be *
[14:04] <Darkside> warning: presentation may contain strawmen
[14:04] <Laurenceb_> i did get voice gps reports to work on my nokia
[14:04] <Darkside> feel free to call me out on any strawman arguments i may make
[14:04] <Laurenceb_> using a recorded message card thingy that i haxored
[14:04] <Darkside> were you tryin gto make the most complicated telemetry system ever?
[14:04] <Laurenceb_> heh
[14:05] <Laurenceb_> i recorded myself saying 1,2,3,4 etc
[14:05] <Darkside> wow
[14:05] <Laurenceb_> then i discovered a "fastforward/rewind" pin
[14:06] <Laurenceb_> that part worked, as did the auto answer using the audio ring indicator
[14:06] <Laurenceb_> but the DTMF failed due to interference - it was all on breadboard tho
[14:06] <Laurenceb_> using an atmega8
[14:07] <Laurenceb_> so i hooked it up to an amplifier and pir sensor
[14:07] <Laurenceb_> hid it in a ceiling tile and made an auto insulter
[14:08] <Darkside> better than flying it on a balloon payload
[14:08] <Laurenceb_> ff/rewind to a random insult on each trigger of the pir
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[14:35] <nolan_> has anyone used the hope rf transceiver modules? They look like a cheaper rip of the digi xbee modules....
[14:35] <Darkside> yes
[14:35] <Darkside> theres a few people here that have been using the RFM22B's
[14:35] <Darkside> myself included
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[14:35] <nolan_> any issues with it?
[14:35] <MrScienceMan> think there was some interference issues
[14:35] <Darkside> nah
[14:36] <Darkside> they don't put out the advertised output power
[14:36] <Darkside> their frequency accuracy is a bit off
[14:36] <Darkside> and they do drift, though not as badly as the NTX2's
[14:36] <Darkside> imo the benefits outweight those problems
[14:36] <MrScienceMan> but you get rx/tx :)
[14:36] <Darkside> yes
[14:36] <Darkside> and they are frequency agile
[14:37] <Darkside> i wouldn't try and use the internal modulation formats for a downlink
[14:37] <nolan_> ah, so rather stick with digi xbee
[14:37] <Darkside> but they work for uplink
[14:37] <Darkside> well they aren't xbees
[14:37] <Darkside> they don't do the 802.XX stuff
[14:39] <nolan_> would you by any chance have breakout board schematic/eagle files for the ublox neo 6 gps? The links to the files on upuaut github no longer work
[14:39] <Darkside> no, i don't use eagle
[14:40] <Upu> oh hi nolan_
[14:41] <Upu> did I just reply to your mail ?
[14:41] <nolan_> let me have a quick look
[14:41] <Upu> links on github dead ?
[14:41] <Upu> hmm
[14:41] <Upu> https://github.com/Upuaut/Eagle-Libraries/blob/master/Ava.lbr
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[14:41] <Upu> has the NEO-6 foot print in
[14:42] <nolan_> these paths dont exist: https://github.com/Upuaut/Eagle-Libraries/blob/master
[14:42] <Upu> I'll sort that out
[14:42] <Upu> I may have some NEO-6 PCB's left if you want and have a NEO-6 module
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[14:42] <Upu> otherwise see mail for links to the MAX6 ones
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[14:43] <Upu> MAX6 ones are actually labelled up properly yay
[14:44] <nolan_> i saw that the max6 doesnt support spi, so hence i was leaning towards the neo
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[14:45] <Randomskk> nolan_: what were you going to use spi for?
[14:45] <Randomskk> using it for actually obtaining gps data is generally a lot more faff than using the uart
[14:46] <Upu> https://www.dropbox.com/s/gwqxxwhwflbtbo5/uBlox_NEO-6Q_Breakout.brd
[14:46] <Upu> https://www.dropbox.com/s/4w0ppebs2u4p74e/uBlox_NEO-6Q_Breakout.sch
[14:46] <Upu> if you want it
[14:46] <Upu> but not even sure it breaksout I2C
[14:46] <nolan_> im using a netduino as my mcu, still fairly new to micro controllers, so i assumed spi would be a good choice
[14:46] <Upu> nah
[14:46] <Upu> serial is better
[14:47] <Darkside> i wouldn't call it better
[14:47] <Upu> MAX6 board does break those out though
[14:47] <Darkside> but it is easier
[14:47] <Upu> well ok easier
[14:48] <Upu> the MAX6 board has VCC, SDA2 and SCL2, RXD and TXD broken out
[14:49] <Randomskk> anyone here got >24" monitors?
[14:49] <nolan_> so should i just go with the assembled max6?
[14:49] <Randomskk> yea.
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[14:50] <nolan_> any chance of that attenna breaking off in the mail?
[14:51] <Upu> no I glue them on and package them in small antistatic boxes
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[15:21] <cuddykid> Upu: quick question, if I order one of your MAX6s with the 5V reg breakout - can it be used with 3v3 also?
[15:21] <Upu> it can yes
[15:21] <cuddykid> fantastic
[15:21] <cuddykid> I'll place an order when the money comes through :)
[15:21] <cuddykid> this week sometime
[15:22] <cuddykid> ah yes, it does say in description - didn't read properly :P
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[15:40] <radim_OM2AMR> hello, I would like to ask for adding STS-2 payload to tracker for our potential flight next week
[15:40] <radim_OM2AMR> docID is df85926b78bc5031d0b140d17d072a57
[15:43] <Randomskk> hi radim_OM2AMR, you need to make a flight document
[15:43] <Randomskk> that document ID you give is for the payload
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[15:43] <Randomskk> http://habitat.habhub.org/genpayload/
[15:43] <radim_OM2AMR> Hi Steve, I will create it after start date approval
[15:44] <Randomskk> next to 'flight documents' click 'start from existing', select STS-1 and modify as appropriate
[15:44] <radim_OM2AMR> We will make some test now
[15:44] <Randomskk> (I'm actually Adam)
[15:44] <radim_OM2AMR> OK, Adam :-)
[15:44] <Randomskk> okay. the only things that get approved/added are flight documents
[15:44] <Randomskk> you don't need to ask for payload documents, they'll just work automatically
[15:44] <Randomskk> once you know when you're flying, make a flight document and ask on here for it to be approved
[15:45] <radim_OM2AMR> Oh, I see now ;-) Thank you for advice Adam
[15:46] <Randomskk> no problem
[15:46] <radim_OM2AMR> just one questin, will be our test with the new payload visible in tracker now ?
[15:46] <Randomskk> yes
[15:47] <radim_OM2AMR> thanks again :-)
[15:47] <Randomskk> for the time being -- one day soon there will be a 'testing' button on the tracker to see test data.
[15:47] <radim_OM2AMR> nice ! great tracker
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[16:33] <Lunar_Lander__> hello
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[16:57] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "[UKHAS] UKHAS Conference : Less then 1 week to go!"
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[17:14] <Elmar_PD3EM> evening!
[17:20] <Lunar_Lander__> hello Elmar_PD3EM
[17:20] <Lunar_Lander__> I am cooking at the moment, so I can't write
[17:20] <Lunar_Lander__> be back later
[17:21] <Elmar_PD3EM> LOL Lunar_Lander__ ! I still need to start cooking ;-)
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[17:48] <G0DJA> G3mgq - Try using the command /leave if you want to leave the chatroom
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[17:51] <Lunar_Lander__> back
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[18:08] <griffonbot> Received email: Dave "[UKHAS] WAV files of recent flights"
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[18:16] <Lunar_Lander__> hi mclane
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[18:17] <Lunar_Lander__> and hi SamSilver_
[18:18] <SamSilver_> Hi LL
[18:18] <mclane> hi lunar, what's up?
[18:19] <Elmar_PD3EM> hi! I'm back as well ;-)
[18:19] <Lunar_Lander__> I'm so-so, thanks
[18:19] <Lunar_Lander__> and you?
[18:20] <mclane> working on our next launch
[18:20] <mclane> probably mid October
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[18:22] <Lunar_Lander__> yeah
[18:22] <Lunar_Lander__> what will it carry this time?
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[18:23] <mclane> 3 cams, geiger counter, barometric pressure sensor, humidity and maybe UV sensors
[18:23] <Lunar_Lander__> cool
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[20:17] <DanielRichman> daveake: yo
[20:18] <daveake> yoyo
[20:18] <DanielRichman> daveake: are your pics (specifically http://i.imgur.com/WJwLO.jpg) under any license or whatever? (More importantly: do you mind if we borrow it for a the background of a slide)
[20:18] <daveake> that'd be "no" and "no" :)
[20:19] <DanielRichman> cool, thanks
[20:19] <daveake> I assume Darkside doesn't object as it's his balloon in view :D
[20:19] <DanielRichman> well, it'd be a shame if he did, because I consulted all the owners of those fields and they were all okay with it
[20:20] <DanielRichman> he's the only one left
[20:20] <daveake> lol
[20:21] <Lunar_Lander__> hi daveake did you get my message?
[20:22] <daveake> Er about a pDF?
[20:22] <daveake> No not seen it
[20:23] <Lunar_Lander__> yes
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[20:23] <Lunar_Lander__> the question was if I should mail it to you
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[20:25] <daveake> Well, you asked what I thought of it, and as I haven't seen it I don't have an opinion
[20:27] <Lunar_Lander__> ah
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[20:34] <SP9UOB> hi all
[20:35] <Lunar_Lander__> hi
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[22:37] <tioukcom> daveake: That has to be one of the best HAB images I've seen, good show!
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[22:38] <fsphil> he's not here atm
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