highaltitude.log.20120913

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[02:53] <n2fvb> How does this work?, I'm new to irc.
[02:54] <n2fvb> Saw the listener request on QRZ.
[02:55] <n2fvb> Has the balloon been heard/found?\
[02:58] <n2fvb> WHO
[02:58] <n2fvb> .WHO
[02:59] <n2fvb> quit
[02:59] <n2fvb> quit:
[02:59] <n2fvb> #who
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[03:01] <Guest97769> OK
[03:02] <Guest97769> looking for the baloon project that was lost last saturday,, and where it was lost!!
[03:10] <n2fvb> help
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[03:26] <k6sts> Is anyone watching kr6k-15
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[05:39] <n2fvb> Has it been located?
[05:40] <n2fvb> The time stamp on the map looks like it would be in the future?
[05:41] <Upu> interesting
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[05:42] <n2fvb> Is anyone on who can point me to a windows installable version of dl-fldigi? I have fldigi installed, just don't have the pulldown for this flight.
[05:42] <Upu> http://habhub.org/files/dl-fldigi/dl-fldigi-DL3.0-windows-8714c31.exe
[05:42] <n2fvb> Thanks
[05:43] <Upu> nps
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[05:44] <Dan-K2VOL> Morning
[05:45] <Dan-K2VOL> Anyone awake yet over there?
[05:45] <Upu> n2fvb seems to be
[05:45] <Dan-K2VOL> Hey upu!
[05:45] <Upu> morning Dan-K2VOL eary one or late one ?
[05:45] <n2fvb> Just got home from work.
[05:46] <Dan-K2VOL> Late one, I've taken to working late now that I'm in a city where coffee shops never close
[05:46] <Upu> lol fair enough
[05:52] <Gadget-Work> Morning all
[05:53] <Upu> morning
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[05:56] <n2fvb> Upu- I'm new at this irc stuff. I have the dl-fldigi running. Do I have to point it to somewhere on the web or does it already know where to send anything I receive?
[05:57] <Upu> click DL Client -> Refresh payloads
[05:57] <Upu> have you filled in your operator details ?
[05:57] <n2fvb> Yes
[05:57] <Upu> ok you loose HAB points if your station appears at 0,0 thats all ;)
[05:58] <Upu> once thats done click the flight box
[05:58] <Upu> and select one of the two flights that are currently active
[05:58] <n2fvb> Not sure what you mean by points, or 0,0, I selected the kb9kho/b flight.
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[05:58] <n2fvb> I just saw the listening request on qrz this evening.
[05:58] <Upu> oh
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[05:59] <Upu> thats for KB9KHO
[05:59] <Upu> it is missing in action
[05:59] <Upu> it got cold and went to sleep and didn't wake up
[06:00] <n2fvb> Is anyone still listening for it? or is it assumed dead?
[06:00] <Upu> I think we've given up on it
[06:00] <Upu> its most likely burst now
[06:00] <n2fvb> Ok, then I guess I won't put too much more effort into it. Sounds like fun stuff though.
[06:01] <Upu> keep an eye on the mailing lists GPSL I think over there
[06:01] <Upu> there are lots of launches
[06:01] <Upu> we have alot over here but we only use 70cms
[06:02] <n2fvb> This particular flight sounded like it might last for quite a while. If it had been successfull.
[06:02] <Upu> in theory
[06:02] <Upu> looks like the LiPo froze though
[06:03] <Upu> but sure the Earthshine team would thank you for trying
[06:03] <n2fvb> I was wondering if it might. With no heat, -50C is not to friendly.
[06:03] <Upu> not with Lipos :)
[06:04] <Upu> bad
[06:04] <Upu> right I have to go to work
[06:04] <Upu> take care
[06:04] <n2fvb> ok
[06:04] <n2fvb> Thanks for your help
[06:07] <Dan-K2VOL> N2fvb
[06:07] <n2fvb> Yes
[06:08] <Dan-K2VOL> I talked to Carl tonight, a friend of mine who built the electronics
[06:08] <Dan-K2VOL> He has solar panels on it
[06:08] <Dan-K2VOL> Fro
[06:09] <Dan-K2VOL> And his stuff usually wakes up fine after re-heating
[06:09] <n2fvb> Do you think it is still in the air? If so, we might hear from it yet....
[06:09] <Dan-K2VOL> So he surmised that the balloon landed that night
[06:09] <Dan-K2VOL> It is almost impossible to survive this long at 22kft
[06:10] <Dan-K2VOL> Frost/condensation gets balloons that low very quickly
[06:10] <n2fvb> I'm looking at a map showing a location in Wisconsin.
[06:10] <Dan-K2VOL> Just a few days are all you ever get thAt low
[06:11] <Dan-K2VOL> (I'm actually a balloon science consultant specializing in long duration flights)
[06:11] <n2fvb> The lable says altitude 324 m as of 2012-09-13 17:40:15 (This afternoon? Future?)
[06:12] <Dan-K2VOL> At spacenear.us?
[06:13] <n2fvb> No, I got here from the QRZ site, which took me to the EarthBreeze site, which gave me a link to here with the map displayed underneath.
[06:13] <n2fvb> http://www.qsl.net/nss/earthbreeze-flight-room.html
[06:14] <n2fvb> I don't know how else to get here. I'm new to this IRC stuff.
[06:16] <Dan-K2VOL> You can always go to habhub.org, ukhas.org.uk or http://spacenear.us to get here
[06:16] <Dan-K2VOL> Welcome
[06:16] <n2fvb> Thanks.
[06:17] <Dan-K2VOL> It looks like spurious test data, I'm not sure though
[06:17] <n2fvb> I'm facinated by this balloon stuff. It sounded like it would make a great project to put a repeater on.
[06:17] <n2fvb> Something that floats around at 70k feet.
[06:18] <n2fvb> Might be fun. This one on 30m, I think was a great idea.
[06:19] <n2fvb> Too bad I missed it... Oh well.
[06:19] <Dan-K2VOL> Oh no worries, lots of room to play
[06:19] <n2fvb> I will try to check out future launches.
[06:20] <Dan-K2VOL> Arhab.org is good too
[06:20] <Dan-K2VOL> Where are you
[06:22] <n2fvb> Dover Plains, NY
[06:22] <n2fvb> Look me up on QRZ
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[06:26] <Dan-K2VOL> Cool, I'm in NYC These days
[06:26] <n2fvb> Can you reach PEARL?
[06:27] <n2fvb> On 145.130?
[06:27] <eroomde> morn
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[06:27] <Dan-K2VOL> Mornin Ed
[06:28] <Dan-K2VOL> Oh I'm not active n2fvb except for balloon transmitters
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[06:28] <n2fvb> OK
[06:29] <n2fvb> Well, It was nice meeting you Dan. I think I am going to try to get some rest. Thanks for all the info!
[06:29] <Dan-K2VOL> N2fvb check out UKHAS for the amateur balloon conference going on live stream next weekend
[06:29] <Dan-K2VOL> You too, ttyl!
[06:29] <eroomde> next being in 10 days
[06:29] <eroomde> rather than in 3 days
[06:30] <eroomde> i nearly leapt out of my skin
[06:30] <eroomde> nothing written yet
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[06:30] <Dan-K2VOL> Hahah
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[06:30] <n2fvb> Good Night all
[06:30] <Dan-K2VOL> I've got a pile of papers to distill into a talk too
[06:30] <Dan-K2VOL> Morning daveake
[06:31] <daveake> morning Dan
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[06:31] <Dan-K2VOL> I'm going to talk on the history of icao medium/light sized superpressure balloons
[06:32] <daveake> cool. All set for the conf and your Euro tour?
[06:32] <Dan-K2VOL> Getting there dave :-)
[06:32] <daveake> :-)
[06:32] <daveake> I'm going the opposite way in a few weeks - 2 weeks RV-ing in California
[06:32] <Dan-K2VOL> Really!
[06:32] <daveake> Yup
[06:32] <Dan-K2VOL> Nice, enjoy the open road
[06:33] <Dan-K2VOL> What area?
[06:33] <daveake> Basically ... LA --> up the coast to SF --> Lassen --> Tahoe --> Yosemite --> Kings Canyon --> LA
[06:33] <daveake> 2 weeks
[06:34] <daveake> We did most of that in 1994 as part of a longer tour including all the canyon bits
[06:34] <eroomde> my friend did that
[06:34] <daveake> And we did the canyon stuff 2 years ago so we thought we'd go back to CA this time
[06:34] <eroomde> and proposed in the grand canyon
[06:34] <daveake> aaah
[06:34] <Dan-K2VOL> I recommend http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roaring_Camp_and_Big_Trees_Narrow_Gauge_Railroad
[06:34] <Dan-K2VOL> Very cool!
[06:34] <eroomde> i said that was a slightly ominous metaphor, to propose by a grand canyon
[06:35] <eroomde> he said the alternative was death valley so it was an easy choice
[06:35] <Dan-K2VOL> Lol
[06:35] <daveake> lol
[06:35] <daveake> A few of my pix from last time http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/sets/72157629128326105/
[06:38] <Dan-K2VOL> Ok, this cafe is finally closing down at 3am, time to wander home :-)
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[06:40] <eroomde> nice pics daveake
[06:40] <daveake> ta :)
[06:41] <eroomde> makes me want to go
[06:41] <daveake> Got lots and lots more from that trip
[06:41] <daveake> :)
[06:41] <eroomde> i saw this photo yesterday and it reminded me of you and darkside
[06:41] <eroomde> http://i.imgur.com/CX0LE.jpg
[06:41] <daveake> lol
[06:42] <daveake> Unlike Steve I don't wear pink :)
[06:42] <daveake> If you do think about going, I did a travel blog http://blog.travelpod.com/travel-blog/daveake/1/tpod.html
[06:43] <daveake> If nothing else read the entry titles :)
[06:43] <eroomde> who said you were ontop :p
[06:43] <daveake> well I "won" :p
[06:44] <eroomde> tooth dental fee ain't bad
[06:44] <eroomde> jesus
[06:44] <daveake> lol
[06:44] <daveake> I was in pain
[06:44] <daveake> :D
[06:46] <eroomde> i had some grouse last night
[06:46] <eroomde> it was damned amazing
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[06:46] <eroomde> must remember game
[06:46] <UpuWork> morning
[06:46] <daveake> morning
[06:46] <eroomde> morning
[06:46] <eroomde> all our nicks are the same length
[06:46] <eroomde> perfection
[06:46] <daveake> symmetry
[06:47] <UpuWork> its the universe telling us we rock
[06:47] <daveake> I hear it
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[06:49] <eroomde> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EodMl8mDVxw
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[06:49] <eroomde> all food tv should be like this
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[06:52] <UpuWork> going to watch the Skylon thing tonight
[06:52] <daveake> Yeah, I missed it last night - went to bed aerly
[06:52] <UpuWork> having a "slight glass of wine"
[06:54] <eroomde> this lady is quite a lot like my french grandmother
[06:55] <UpuWork> lol this is funny
[06:55] <UpuWork> "old dragon over my shoulder"
[06:57] <UpuWork> haha a "peasant way of cooking"
[06:57] <UpuWork> reminds me a guy I lived with a Uni who use to refer to the natives as peasants
[06:58] <UpuWork> thanks eroomde that was fun
[06:58] <eroomde> good huh :)
[06:59] <eroomde> they don;t make 'em like that anymore etc
[06:59] <eroomde> i'm definintely stealing 'a slight glass of wine'
[06:59] <eroomde> i'd like to steal his voice too, which you can only get from a lifetime of drinking it
[07:02] <fsphil> unusual topic for 8am :)
[07:02] <eroomde> not in my head
[07:03] <eroomde> so my boss and i get lucnh at a local deli in the village, which is the sort of shop front of a cottage industry catering company run by this matronly powerhouse called sandy
[07:03] <eroomde> who has taken a shine to james and I
[07:03] <eroomde> we now get to try out all her new things
[07:03] <daveake> the mind boggles
[07:03] <eroomde> yesterday it was a leek and cheese souffle
[07:04] <daveake> phew
[07:04] <eroomde> sorry day before
[07:04] <eroomde> which was outstanding
[07:04] <eroomde> and before that, her smoked makrel pate
[07:04] <eroomde> and so on
[07:04] <eroomde> always something
[07:04] <eroomde> anyway yesterday they were sprinting around looking thunderstruck and panicked as we went in for lunch
[07:05] <eroomde> we asked what was up
[07:05] <eroomde> apparently the local v posh estate (waddesdon manor) had commissioned them for something
[07:05] <eroomde> which is A Big Deal
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[07:05] <eroomde> and they phoned up at 10am ostensibly to check everything was fine for the next day
[07:06] <eroomde> at least that's what sandy was expecting
[07:06] <eroomde> instead they were expecting the food for lunch that very day
[07:06] <daveake> ah
[07:06] <eroomde> there had been some cock up with ordering - they'd given the wrong date
[07:06] <eroomde> so the girls had literally dropped everything and went into extreme cooking mode
[07:06] <eroomde> and bugger me it's impressive what they had done in 2 hours
[07:07] <eroomde> loads of fresh pastries, 3 or 4 really big salads, lots of little puddingy tarts
[07:07] <eroomde> lots of canapes with some really beautiful looking fresh tuna
[07:07] <eroomde> but my, sandy did not look happy. i had her down as totally unflappable
[07:07] <eroomde> but she was definitely in a flap
[07:08] <eroomde> so anyway, james and i have got her a bottle of fizz as a thankyou for feeding us and because she looked like the could have done with it yesterday
[07:08] <daveake> :)
[07:08] <UpuWork> wish we had something like that near us
[07:08] <UpuWork> we used too but he divorced and left
[07:09] <eroomde> it really makes a difference
[07:09] <eroomde> apart from yesterday, they cook a joint for lunch every day
[07:09] <eroomde> a shoulder of beef, pork belly, a chicken or whatever
[07:10] <eroomde> and you can get a sandwich with thick homemade bread, really very generous amount of meat filling, and they make all their own things you might want to add like coleslaw, roasted veg, cranberry sauce, or whatever
[07:10] <eroomde> and it's £3.50, which is only 70p more than the trucker cafe on sight that does fridge-cold plastic sandwiched with 1mm thick of filling in the middle
[07:10] <UpuWork> hmm
[07:10] <UpuWork> http://goo.gl/maps/cIljb
[07:11] <UpuWork> looks like its still open...
[07:11] <eroomde> give it a whirl today!
[07:11] <eroomde> today is pork belly day infact
[07:11] <eroomde> best day
[07:11] <UpuWork> its a bit far from here, was my old company
[07:11] <UpuWork> though I may have to go see if Tony still runs it sometime
[07:11] <UpuWork> best rare beef ever
[07:13] <eroomde> nothing like rare beef
[07:13] <eroomde> mmmmmm
[07:14] <eroomde> i'm sadly a bit priced out of good beef except for special occassions
[07:14] <eroomde> oh but i highly recommend the slow cooking
[07:14] <eroomde> i did that for housemate's bday
[07:14] <eroomde> 57C for 10 hours
[07:14] <UpuWork> Yes a friend of ours did very slow cooked beef once it was amazing
[07:14] <eroomde> it's just perfectly uniformaly pink medium-rare all the way through
[07:14] <eroomde> and tender enough that you can get it with a fork
[07:14] <eroomde> cut it*
[07:14] <UpuWork> she did do a some insane 8 week residential cookery course somewhere though
[07:15] <eroomde> i just borrowed a thermocouple from work and stuck it into the beef
[07:15] <eroomde> stopped when the centre was 57
[07:15] <eroomde> having blasted the bejeeses out of it on the cast iron griddle first
[07:16] <eroomde> black pepper, sechaun pepper, sea salt, smoked salt
[07:16] <UpuWork> beeeef https://www.dropbox.com/s/x0rzfopoljmtxug/2012-05-26%2011.04.29.jpg
[07:16] <eroomde> a not-very-thorough pestle and mortar to keep some texture
[07:16] <eroomde> rub
[07:16] <eroomde> hot griddle
[07:16] <eroomde> no oil
[07:16] <eroomde> imagine heavy rock guitar music in background]
[07:16] <eroomde> sear, 1.5 mins each side
[07:17] <eroomde> roasting tray. bit of oil. 2 or 3 springs, rosemary
[07:17] <eroomde> beef on
[07:17] <eroomde> oven
[07:17] <eroomde> 57-60C, until middle 57
[07:17] <eroomde> take out
[07:17] <eroomde> oven 240
[07:17] <eroomde> muffin tins, goose fat
[07:17] <eroomde> preheat
[07:17] <eroomde> .....
[07:17] <eroomde> yorkshire batter, poor
[07:17] <UpuWork> ok ease back
[07:17] <eroomde> oven, quick
[07:18] <eroomde> roast beef and yorkshire pudding...
[07:18] <eroomde> DONE
[07:18] <UpuWork> 220 ... 240 burns the tops in my oven
[07:18] <eroomde> fine then
[07:18] <UpuWork> :)
[07:18] <eroomde> just as hot as you can
[07:18] <eroomde> and when taking the preheated, pre-fatted yorkshire tins out, put them on the hob on max heat while you poor the batter in
[07:18] <eroomde> just need the damn think to stay hot
[07:19] <UpuWork> as my grandma used to say if its not smoking when you take it out its not hot enough
[07:19] <eroomde> i put them on a pizza stone in the oven - a big thermal mass right under the bottom really helps them spring up
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[07:19] <UpuWork> but not that we are off topic... :)
[07:19] <UpuWork> anyone joining would be like wtf ?
[07:19] <eroomde> yorkshire puddings are never off topic
[07:19] <UpuWork> +1
[07:19] <UpuWork> anyway work
[07:20] <eroomde> yes indeed
[07:22] <Gadget-Work> eroomde, You can't talk about food like that this early in the morning ;)
[07:24] <eroomde> oh but mornings are a good time to think about food :)
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[07:26] <Gadget-Work> I am now going to have to try slow roast beef
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[07:30] <fsphil> this channel keeps tempting me to buy expensive things (and food) :p
[07:31] <Gadget-Work> eroomde, Can I do the same with a slow cooker ?
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[07:32] <eroomde> Gadget-Work: slow cookers are a bit hot usually
[07:32] <eroomde> they're like 90C
[07:32] <eroomde> which will make the outside well done and so a bit leathery
[07:32] <eroomde> unless you have one of those posh temp controlled ones, which i don't
[07:33] Action: Gadget-Work ponders PID control for his slow cooker
[07:33] <eroomde> i've seen a few things about that on the web
[07:33] <eroomde> infact modifying a slow cooker into sous vide
[07:33] <eroomde> which would be the ultimate thing
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[07:37] <costyn> morning
[07:38] <costyn> eroomde: I thought a slow cooker and sous vide are pretty much the same thing?
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[07:38] <costyn> oh wait, no with sous vide you vacuum seal it
[07:40] <eroomde> costyn: sous vide is slowly cooking
[07:40] <eroomde> but slow cookers are just heaters with v little temp control
[07:40] <eroomde> sous vide lets you go to within 1C of desired
[07:41] <eroomde> verbatim quote from daily mail website about the great british bakeoff
[07:41] <eroomde> you cannot make it up
[07:41] <eroomde> Bake off you are having a laugh there are not many real men left if they had even a small brain they would be able to cook without looking at these stupid programs thank god i was born in the days of common sense i can cook most things proper food i mean not this rubbish the cooks on the tv cook, these days people have to be told what to do about everything hands on is the way to learn anything and people like jamie oliver to name but one should be wor
[07:42] <fsphil> and breath
[07:42] <gonzo__> put the topic down and step away from the soap box!
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[07:43] <fsphil> shame they didn't have punctuation back in the days of common sense
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[07:49] <eroomde> poor steve
[07:50] <UpuWork> heh
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[07:50] <UpuWork> yeah
[07:51] <UpuWork> busy man
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[07:51] <eroomde> bbiab
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[07:51] <daveake> yup
[07:51] <Upu> stoopid ipv6 connection
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[07:53] <fsphil> what tunnel provider?
[07:53] <UpuWork> its supplied as part of our leased line but it is a tunnel
[07:53] <UpuWork> they can't find a fault
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[07:53] <UpuWork> don't have an issue at home via SIXXS
[07:54] <UpuWork> just seems to do it in the morning
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[08:17] <costyn> UpuWork: as network admin, this makes me giggle
[08:17] <costyn> ipv6 that has "morning issues" :)
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[08:18] <UpuWork> it does
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[10:14] <staylo> Hi all. Has anyone evaluated the LPS331AP yet? The specs look pretty good for a mass produced sensor (it's in the new flagship Samsung phone apparently).
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[10:16] <staylo> http://www.st.com/internet/com/TECHNICAL_RESOURCES/TECHNICAL_LITERATURE/DATASHEET/DM00036196.pdf
[10:18] <staylo> Ah, no mention of an extended pressure range though.
[10:21] <fsphil> worth a try though
[10:21] <UpuWork> looks fun to solder
[10:22] <fsphil> 260 mbar is about 10.1km
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[13:06] <UpuWork> cuddykid are you still on for a launch tommorrow ?
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[13:06] <cuddykid> UpuWork: not going ahead, probably monday instead - I'll update mailing list
[13:06] <UpuWork> ok just wondering
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[13:07] <cuddykid> might be a joint one with rocketboy
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[13:08] <cuddykid> not sure whether he's planning on coming over
[13:08] <MrScienceMan> any paparazi stalking your house?
[13:08] <UpuWork> ok
[13:08] <cuddykid> MrScienceMan: lol
[13:08] <cuddykid> possibly go on the aussie breakfast show later tonight
[13:09] <daveake> You know you're famous when your phone gets hacked
[13:09] <daveake> Or you're too busy to go to the conf .....
[13:10] <cuddykid> haha
[13:10] <UpuWork> yeah :)
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[13:33] <cuddykid> BBC midlands today are coming round to film tomorrow morning
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[13:36] <daveake> This time next year you'll be in Celebrity Big Brother
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[13:36] <fsphil> that still running? I thought they'd have run out of desperate people by now
[13:37] <Randomskk> there's no end of desperate people
[13:37] <daveake> no idea
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[13:47] <x-f> http://www.youtube.com/spacelab
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[13:49] <DrLuke> why do they keep insisting there's no gravitation in space?
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[13:51] <nick_> g=0 in space (if you pick the right frame)
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[13:52] <nick_> (OK, really it's a lie)
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[14:02] <eroomde> nick_: yo
[14:02] <eroomde> you wanted some free consultancy last night
[14:02] <eroomde> i'm your mug
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[14:06] <DrLuke> wow
[14:06] <DrLuke> I just got mail from the german airspace agency, and they told me that I need to insure the balloon launch
[14:06] <DrLuke> damn
[14:07] <Randomskk> sounds fun
[14:07] <costyn> DrLuke: that sucks!
[14:08] <costyn> DrLuke: come launch in NL, they don't give a fuck here :)
[14:08] <DrLuke> :)
[14:08] <costyn> (sorry for my language)
[14:08] <DrLuke> no worries
[14:09] <costyn> DrLuke: maybe you can launch it here on a day where it flies back home :)
[14:09] <DrLuke> it's lovely how they sent me 6 pdfs full of laws and guidelines
[14:09] <DrLuke> it'd be over 500 km to drive to NL
[14:09] <costyn> DrLuke: ah, ok, that's a bit much yea
[14:09] <w0aew> Balloon shows date & time in the future?
[14:09] <eroomde> cheaper in petrol than isnurance
[14:10] <DrLuke> Actually the insurance may be covered under the normal insurance everybody has to have
[14:10] <costyn> DrLuke: Dutch rules and regulations is like 4 small paragraphs :)
[14:10] <eroomde> what kind of insurance does everybody have to have?
[14:10] <DrLuke> I guess you could translate it as liability insurance?
[14:10] <costyn> DrLuke: ah, Haftpflichtversicherung ?
[14:10] <DrLuke> yes
[14:11] <DrLuke> I will have to ask my insurer
[14:11] <eroomde> just for yourself as an individual?
[14:11] <DrLuke> yes
[14:11] <costyn> I have it too, but usually it doesn't cover doing stupid stuff on purpose :)
[14:11] <DrLuke> everybody is required to have it so that if you cause damage to somebody else, they can replace it
[14:11] <eroomde> wow
[14:11] <eroomde> we don;t have that
[14:11] <eroomde> we have car insurance
[14:11] <eroomde> anything less is probably force majeure
[14:11] <DrLuke> it's basically the same as car insurance
[14:11] <daveake> Send up a car then
[14:11] <DrLuke> but for everything
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[14:12] <DrLuke> haha
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[14:12] <costyn> in NL it isn't required but I have it anyway as part of a package deal. used it once too . And my wife used hers when a leaky pipe damaged the neighbours house
[14:12] <daveake> "I was driving along a road when a car appeared out of the sky and I crashed into it"
[14:12] <DrLuke> well, if I tripped, and pushed somebody over and that somebody dropped his iPhone because of this, then this insurance would kick in
[14:13] <costyn> DrLuke: i hit someones car side mirror while on my bike. also covered by the insurance
[14:13] <DrLuke> yep
[14:13] <DrLuke> it's a sweet thing
[14:13] <costyn> yes... up to 1.2 million euros I think mine covers
[14:13] <DrLuke> makes me laugh about how americans don't even have health insurance
[14:13] <DrLuke> yeah
[14:14] <DrLuke> it also was useful when one of my club's planes crashed last year
[14:14] <DrLuke> it hit some trees from a tree school next to the airfield
[14:14] <DrLuke> and the tips of the trees were broken off, the insurance had to pay the entire tree
[14:15] <DrLuke> (pilot came out relatively ok, plane was destroyed)
[14:15] <DrLuke> anyways, this complicated things a lot
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[14:16] <costyn> yes
[14:16] <costyn> but talk to your insurer, you might get lucky
[14:17] <DrLuke> OR I could make my entire balloon weight less than 500 grams
[14:17] <DrLuke> then I can launch without any permissions
[14:17] <costyn> in NL that's 4KG
[14:17] <costyn> much more reasonable
[14:18] <DrLuke> damn
[14:18] <DrLuke> makes me want to emigrate
[14:18] <DrLuke> smoke weed every day, launch habs every week :)
[14:18] <costyn> hehehe
[14:18] <costyn> although they say it has to be for "scientific experiments"
[14:19] <costyn> but I think it is easy to argue taht
[14:19] <DrLuke> of course
[14:20] <DrLuke> I should write an article on ukhas.org.uk about it, so people can find out easier what the have to do
[14:20] <costyn> sounds good
[14:20] <costyn> DrLuke: maybe talk to Lunar Lander?
[14:20] <costyn> although I'm not sure how far he's progressed
[14:21] <DrLuke> I do daily
[14:21] <DrLuke> and our progress is about equal
[14:28] <eroomde> don't
[14:29] <eroomde> it's for the best
[14:30] <DrLuke> ?
[14:31] <Hix> Was it on here I was chatting with someone last night regarding video overlay from NMEA data? Searched logs but no record...
[14:35] <costyn> Hix: yes, hi
[14:35] <costyn> Hix: at least, I was talking to radim about it
[14:36] <costyn> Hix: I am going to write a small perl script which will take the csv data and output srt subtitles
[14:38] <Hix> thought so, but couldn't find any record on the logs. I've been looking into After Effects. Reckon it's possible to use the data to actually animate grapics, i.e compass rose.
[14:38] <costyn> Hix: ooh that'd be sweet
[14:38] <costyn> Hix: the subtitles only do text
[14:38] <costyn> (obviously)
[14:38] <costyn> :)
[14:39] <Hix> yeah that's what I was thinking, like the Dashware prog but completely customised
[14:40] <costyn> i have no experience with after effects, no idea how difficult something like that would be
[14:41] <Hix> I'm going to have a play over the weekend, a rest from learnign C. Just ordered an SSD and a GoPro
[14:43] <Hix> 240Gb Sandisk SATA3 for £129. Bonus
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[14:45] <costyn> sweet
[14:46] <Hix> AND £122 for the GoPro Hero HD brand new, had 30% off but got an extra 10% with a code at checkout.
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[14:48] <DrLuke> where would one aquire such codes?
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[14:53] <cjdavies> gps peeps (particularly Upu if he's around) - what messages do I actually need a module to send if all I want is latitude + longitude - can I get away with *just* GPRMC?
[14:55] <Darkside> what module are you using?
[14:55] <cjdavies> ublox max 6
[14:55] <Darkside> i'd turn them all off and just use the polled PUBX string
[14:55] <Darkside> which gives you everything in one sentence
[14:56] <UpuWork> or just GPGGA ?
[14:56] <UpuWork> $GPGGA,185640.00,5345.14935,N,00149.07375,W,1,05,1.54,260.3,M,48.1,M,,*48
[14:57] <UpuWork> that has everything in you need for HABing generally
[14:57] <Darkside> wheres altitude?
[14:57] <UpuWork> $GPGGA,185640.00,5345.14935,N,00149.07375,W,1,05,1.54,260.3,M,48.1,M,,*48
[14:57] <cjdavies> I'm not actually HABing, this is a pedestrian application, I'm not using altitude
[14:57] <Darkside> UpuWork: 260.3?
[14:58] <cjdavies> so what's the difference between GPGGA & GPRMC? they seem very similar
[14:58] <costyn> Darkside: I think so: http://aprs.gids.nl/nmea/#gga
[14:58] <Darkside> k
[14:58] <daveake> IIRC one gives alt the other speed and heading
[14:58] <Hix> http://www.kh-gps.de/nmea-faq.htm
[14:58] <cjdavies> thanks, shall read
[14:58] <UpuWork> http://aprs.gids.nl/nmea/#gga
[14:58] <eroomde> maybe should make a new nmea parsing library
[14:59] <eroomde> if lady ada's one is poo
[14:59] <costyn> good god, the amount of information in those strings is staggering
[14:59] <eroomde> call it
[14:59] <eroomde> lady GGA
[14:59] <costyn> :D
[14:59] <cjdavies> also, UpuWork can probably answer this - if I enabled SBAS with EGNOS via CFG-SBAS & tell it to apply all of the correction data etc., this is all applied by the module itself, right? it doesn't just send the correction data to the host & then expect me to apply it manually?
[14:59] <Hix> $GPHAB
[14:59] <cjdavies> eroomde: that was possibly the worst pun I've read all day ;P
[14:59] <UpuWork> I have no idea what those are
[15:00] <eroomde> cjdavies: stick around
[15:00] <eroomde> i can do worse
[15:00] <fsphil> challange accepted cjdavies :)
[15:00] <costyn> cjdavies: you've stumped Upu, good on ya!
[15:00] <Hix> oh no, pun time
[15:00] <costyn> I like puns!
[15:00] <cjdavies> ah, I suppose if UpuWork & the rest of you do HAB then SBAS won't be of any use...
[15:00] <UpuWork> its not something I've used personally
[15:01] <UpuWork> if you have a specific query about it I can pass this on to uBlox
[15:01] <cjdavies> SBAS is various systems of geostationary satellites & ground transmitters for increasing accuracy of GPS readings, but I suspect they are only useful under certain altitudes
[15:01] <cjdavies> nah, it's something I can probably answer by reading the spec properly
[15:01] <costyn> google for 'sbas' has some interestingly diverse results
[15:01] <cjdavies> costyn: safesearch off? ;D
[15:02] <costyn> cjdavies: not even :) just the ones unrelated to GPS :)
[15:02] <costyn> Society of Black Academic Surgeons lol
[15:02] <cjdavies> this is the problem with acronyms
[15:02] <cjdavies> hah
[15:02] <costyn> Swedish Business Association of Singapore
[15:02] <costyn> Small Business Advisory Services
[15:03] <costyn> but those first 2 made me giggle
[15:03] <cjdavies> that last one I've actually heard of!
[15:03] <cjdavies> or something very similar
[15:03] <cjdavies> on Radio 4 no doubt
[15:04] <cjdavies> oh hey, is the 'magnetic variation' in GPRMC the magnetic declination at that position? if so I can dynamically feed that into my magnetometer :D
[15:04] <cjdavies> it's the simple things in life
[15:05] <costyn> derp no idea
[15:05] Action: costyn has to go. cya
[15:05] <cjdavies> ah, again I suppose magnetic declination at the Earth's surface isn't too important for a balloon at 20000ft
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[15:12] <cuddykid> lol - just been asked if I want to appear on Russell Howards Good News
[15:12] <cuddykid> for the new series
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[15:12] <DrLuke> I think a single wiki page linking to all the legal-stuff-pages for each country should be created, so that everybody can add the legal hurdles for each country in a single list
[15:12] <DrLuke> nice
[15:12] <cuddykid> good idea DrLuke
[15:13] <cuddykid> we've got lots of people from all around the world
[15:13] <cuddykid> wonder if Russell Howard just wants to take the piss out of it?!
[15:13] <DrLuke> I wonder why your launch is so popular in the media
[15:14] <daveake> It's the universe correcting itself
[15:14] <DrLuke> It certainly is a supercool thing :)
[15:14] <daveake> after J*** tried to get a load of attention for doing f-all
[15:14] <DrLuke> who?
[15:14] <fsphil> at last, a guest on Good News that I actually know :)
[15:15] <daveake> :D
[15:15] <cuddykid> :)
[15:16] <daveake> cuddykid It's probably because a- you're young, and b- you didn't fly a cuddly bear
[15:16] <fsphil> the bear should have totally got on the news
[15:16] <cuddykid> quite possibly yep!
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[15:17] <fsphil> its bearly got noticed
[15:17] <cuddykid> lol
[15:18] <daveake> Not noted
[15:18] <DrLuke> please bear in mind that puns may induce permanent brain damage
[15:18] <fsphil> I think you're lion
[15:18] <daveake> It did land in Elstead
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[15:19] <fsphil> that brain damage wasn't that permenant
[15:19] <daveake> no braindamage then
[15:19] <daveake> snap
[15:19] <daveake> lol
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[15:24] <DrLuke> aww damn not again
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[15:32] <DrLuke> amazing, the Deutsche Flugsicherung even sent me an icao map :)
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[15:33] <DrLuke> they're nice dudes
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[15:34] <EarthBreeze> Anyone hear anything yet?
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[15:46] <fsphil> not heard any mention of reception
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[16:03] <MrScienceMan> how long do you keep uuid's from the predictor?
[16:03] <Randomskk> a little while
[16:03] <Randomskk> week? ish?
[16:04] <eroomde> that's a week +/- 3 hrs
[16:04] <MrScienceMan> :)
[16:04] <MrScienceMan> so 25th last month is out of the question
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[16:11] <eroomde> ios6 has a nice new app called passbook, which stores all your etickets, boarding passes, coupons and so on in one easy place
[16:11] <eroomde> i think i will find that very useful
[16:11] <eroomde> as am often trying to hunt for an email on my phone and then wait 4 mins for attachment to download with some ticket or something
[16:11] <cjdavies> very useful to whoever steals your phone ;P
[16:11] <MrScienceMan> i dont get all the fuss about being hte same phone
[16:11] <MrScienceMan> its a rather amazing piece of hardware
[16:12] <jonsowman> MrScienceMan: two weeks
[16:12] <jonsowman> and that's 1.2GB of data
[16:12] <jonsowman> hence not keeping it any longer
[16:13] <eroomde> cjdavies: yes there is that :)
[16:13] <MrScienceMan> jonsowman: thanks :)
[16:13] <eroomde> but still, it's a price i will pay for the convenience
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[16:29] <DrLuke> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:legalgermany
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[16:52] <eroomde> ACHTUNGGESETZ!!!!
[16:53] <eroomde> that should be the title i think please DrLuke
[16:53] <eroomde> but otherwise good :)
[16:57] <daveake> Anyone want some firewire cables and/or hubs?
[16:57] <daveake> Having a clearout
[16:57] <daveake> Speak now or the bin gets it
[16:58] <daveake> <munch>
[17:00] <Randomskk> who even uses firewire any more :p
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[17:06] <daveake> Nobody, obviously :)
[17:07] <number10> anyone still using 50 baud serial
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[17:07] <daveake> They've languished unused in my garage for the requisite number of years; their time's up
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[17:15] <DrLuke> eroomde: haha
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[17:19] <cjdavies> it's... beautiful http://paste2.org/p/2219701
[17:22] <daveake> modems ... isa serial port boards ... thin ethernet boards ... it's all good stuff I'm chucking :)
[17:23] <Hix> not worth ebaying daveake? Surely some people are looking for such rare stuff
[17:23] <Hix> computer hipsters etc....
[17:23] <daveake> Very much doubt it's worth my time
[17:25] <nigelvh_> Morning all
[17:26] <daveake> Shame I don't have one of these - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ITK-DIGITALMODEM30-30-CH-ISA-BOARD-PC-DM3300-000-/300750079849?pt=UK_Computing_Other_Computing_Networking&hash=item46061a0769#ht_1072wt_1199
[17:26] Nick change: nigelvh_ -> nigelvh
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[17:27] <cjdavies> wtf is that monstrosity...
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[17:27] <nigelvh> Magic
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[17:59] <cjdavies> UpuWork: :D http://paste2.org/p/2219823
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[18:01] <kf7rcc> hi folks
[18:01] <nigelvh> Morning
[18:02] <kf7rcc> is the balloon transmitting ?
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[18:02] <nigelvh> Is there a balloon flying presently?
[18:02] <Darkside> i dont think so
[18:03] <kf7rcc> KB9KHO_B
[18:03] <kf7rcc> I read that they lost transmissions but it may come back
[18:03] <Darkside> unlikely
[18:03] <Darkside> not this far on
[18:04] <Darkside> it'll have burst a long time ago
[18:04] <kf7rcc> Map here is showing position updated today
[18:04] <Darkside> hrm
[18:04] <nigelvh> I haven't heard anything
[18:04] <Hix_> I just ordered this book http://goo.gl/XGlR7 after is came highly recommmended. Has anyone got or read it? I'm a bit nervous as it states it's not for idiots
[18:04] <Upu> nice one cjdavies :)
[18:04] <kf7rcc> http://www.qsl.net/nss/earthbreeze-flight-room.html
[18:04] <Hix_> me/ would class my self as one of them in C
[18:05] <Darkside> kf7rcc: look at the altitude
[18:05] <Darkside> 324m
[18:05] <Hix_> see /me is an idiot
[18:05] Action: Hix_ gives up
[18:05] <kf7rcc> 324 m is that meters or miles
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[18:06] <nigelvh> meters
[18:06] <Darkside> kf7rcc: metres
[18:06] <Darkside> its not going to be 324 miles up..
[18:06] <nigelvh> space station isn't even 324 miles up
[18:06] <kf7rcc> Well then its not transmitting I suspect
[18:07] <kf7rcc> Doh!
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[18:24] <bertrik> did you guys have anything to do with the article on slashdot now?
[18:27] <Randomskk> don't think so
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[18:37] <cuddykid> another radio interview down, hopefully not many more to come
[18:38] <natrium42> :D
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[18:39] <Randomskk> cuddykid: hehe :D who was it this time?
[18:39] <cuddykid> a radio station in Leicester :)
[18:40] <Randomskk> cool]
[18:40] <cuddykid> got my local BBC radio tomorrow morning
[18:40] <cuddykid> then BBC midlands today (TV) after
[18:42] <Randomskk> nice nice
[18:45] <daveake> enjoying your new career?
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[18:55] <nick_> cuddykid: what are you being interviewed about?
[18:57] <cuddykid> a little annoying at times daveake
[18:57] <cuddykid> nick_: recent flight
[18:58] <daveake> cuddykid You're taking one for the team :p
[18:58] <cuddykid> haha
[18:59] <daveake> Believe it was worse for Rob
[18:59] <Upu> ohyes
[19:02] <nick_> cuddykid: what did the flight do?
[19:04] <daveake> Well apparently it reached an astonishing 100 thousand 810 hundred feet :p
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[19:08] <Hix__> Grrrr! Just had email saying SSD delayed, so not going to have it for the weekend. Why not say that at time of order.
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[19:10] <joph> which one did you get?
[19:10] <nigelvh> Randomskk, some progress with the 7012, but not working yet.
[19:11] <nigelvh> Seems to indicate that it's locked, but no RF seems to come out. At least in any form that shows up on my spectrum analyzer.
[19:12] <Randomskk> welcome to my world
[19:12] <Randomskk> at least you have a spectrum analyser
[19:12] <Darkside> Randomskk: http://i.imgur.com/PYqrd.png
[19:12] <Randomskk> I had my radio and hope that it was tuned
[19:12] <Darkside> hows that :P
[19:12] <Randomskk> I think going down down under is better
[19:12] <Randomskk> but whatever, that works
[19:12] <Darkside> well it isn't just down under
[19:12] <Randomskk> yes but you are australian so it's okay
[19:13] <Darkside> lol
[19:13] <nigelvh> Yeah, I don't have a scope fast enough to watch a 144MHz signal, and trying to scan around with a reciever is a pain when you don't necessarily know it's there.
[19:13] <Darkside> its going to be quite an informal talk
[19:13] <Darkside> should be a bit of fun though, with some technical bits
[19:13] <Darkside> mainly about the radio
[19:14] <Randomskk> I'm looking forward to it
[19:15] <Randomskk> brb cooking dinner
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[19:19] <Hix__> joph: http://goo.gl/Ss27W ,well I ordered from Scan.co.uk but They can stuff it now, so got one ordered from amazon, who actually deliver when they promise
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[19:28] <Hix__> How much of a difference does SSD make in everyday use those that have?
[19:29] <bertrik> the thing I notice most is faster boot time and faster app startup
[19:29] <nigelvh> Yeah
[19:29] <nigelvh> I enjoy mine a lot
[19:30] <fsphil> and the silence
[19:30] <Hix__> unzipping infuriates me
[19:30] <fsphil> sweet sweet silence :)
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[19:30] <fsphil> quicker to suspend too, which is nice on a laptop
[19:30] <nigelvh> I would think most guys like the prospect of unzipping things.
[19:31] <fsphil> lol
[19:31] <fsphil> the zipping bit is a bit risky though
[19:32] <nigelvh> Yes, you must respect the zipper
[19:32] <nigelvh> Not take it for granted.
[19:33] <Hix__> so I can silently unzi[p
[19:33] <Hix__> quicker too
[19:34] <nigelvh> Just remember to cherish the moments you get to unzip things.
[19:34] <BrainDamage> colonoscopy
[19:35] <nigelvh> O...k...
[19:35] <BrainDamage> just saying it'll never necessarily be a good thing :p
[19:35] <Hix__> cuddykid: got my 1p charger next day - cheers
[19:36] <fsphil> has it exploded yet?
[19:36] <nigelvh> Yes, I'm just saying that you can think of colonoscopies if you want, I was thinking of ladies and dresses.
[19:36] <Hix__> only been plugged in for 10 mins give it a day or two
[19:36] <cuddykid> yeah, got mine too :) no probe Hix__
[19:37] <BrainDamage> oh, I tought of both, but why not sharing a disturbing image? :p
[19:37] <nigelvh> Just like slashdot and goatse
[19:37] <fsphil> so anyway
[19:37] <Hix__> ewww colonoscopies and now cuddykid is on about probes :D
[19:38] <fsphil> sooo anyway
[19:38] <nigelvh> How 'bout them <random sports team here>
[19:39] <nigelvh> I hear they're doing better/worse than they did last year, which was a awful/great year for them.
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[19:39] <fsphil> I like/hate this conversation more/less
[19:40] <nigelvh> As a side note, I verb adjective nouns.
[19:41] <fsphil> expletive!
[19:41] <nigelvh> Exactly
[19:42] <nigelvh> In any case, hopefully Randomskk will show up again at some point and reveal the magic of the 7012.
[19:43] <Hix__> ok, this code to extract my gps info. is it really really bad?
[19:43] <Hix__> http://pastebin.com/ycCRNC8w
[19:43] <nigelvh> Yes/maybe/no
[19:44] <Hix__> I can't get TinyGPS to work at all it won't even compile the example sketches
[19:44] <Hix__> So found this route
[19:44] <nigelvh> Are you using arduino 1.x?
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[19:44] <Hix__> Yes 1.0.1
[19:44] <joph> Hix__, i bought the samsung 830, also a nice ssd
[19:44] <nigelvh> You need to use pre 1.x with TinyGPS
[19:45] <nigelvh> Or update the library
[19:45] <Hix__> I tried 0023 the other night and that failed miserably
[19:45] <Hix__> which library?
[19:45] <nigelvh> TinyGPS, seems to work fine for me.
[19:46] <Hix__> it should work with >1.0 as it says if >100 use Arduino.h otherwise use WProgram.h
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[20:02] <Hix__> nigelvh: When you say update the library are you referring to TinyGPS.zip?
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[20:11] <Hix__> what version of TinyGPS do any of you use? if you are using arduino >1.0
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[20:17] <ballon> hello!
[20:17] <ballon> i need some help
[20:17] <ballon> anyone there?
[20:17] <fsphil> evening ballon
[20:18] <ballon> good evening!
[20:18] <ballon> so this is my plan
[20:18] <ballon> throw a ballon into space and hopefuly get some images
[20:19] <ballon> is it clear so far?
[20:19] <cjdavies> depends how hard you can throw
[20:19] <fsphil> or how tall you are
[20:19] <MrScienceMan> you need a good grip as well
[20:19] <ballon> with a helium balloon
[20:19] <ballon> sorry haha
[20:20] <fsphil> balloons can't get into space, they need atmosphere to ascent
[20:20] <fsphil> ascend*
[20:20] <ballon> well into atmosphere
[20:20] <ballon> im quite a begginer so sorry for any mistakes
[20:20] <ballon> why do i need an arduino???
[20:20] <fsphil> the wiki has a good amount of info: http://ukhas.org.uk/
[20:20] <ballon> or a radio??
[20:21] <fsphil> you don't have to, but it's the normal way of doing it
[20:21] <ballon> why?
[20:21] <fsphil> it tends to be reliable
[20:21] <Upu> evening ballon you don't need an Arduino but generally the recipie is some sort of microcontroller, a radio and a GPS module
[20:21] <Upu> What fsphil radio is more reliable than GSM
[20:21] <ballon> yes exactly
[20:21] <Upu> you get constant updates
[20:22] <Upu> you know where it is all the time
[20:22] <ballon> what will each of those things do up there?
[20:22] <nigelvh> Help you find it when it comes down.
[20:22] <ballon> what is GSM?
[20:22] <Upu> GPS tells the microcontroller where it is, the micro controller transmits this information via the radio
[20:22] <Upu> mobile phone ballon
[20:22] <Upu> where are you from ballon ?
[20:22] <MrScienceMan> spain
[20:23] <Upu> ah ok
[20:23] <ballon> how do u know??
[20:23] <Upu> your IP address ballon
[20:23] <MrScienceMan> :)
[20:23] <ballon> interesting
[20:23] <ballon> how will signal get send to my comp?
[20:24] <cjdavies> you can't always trust IP on IRC, I'm certainly not in France for example ;P
[20:24] <Upu> you need a radio receiver
[20:25] <Upu> http://hollandshoogte.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/hohoho-i-schematic.jpg
[20:25] <DanielRichman> cjdavies: it's quite easy to spot those
[20:25] <DanielRichman> most people don't live in OVH datacentres
[20:25] <ballon> okey. so how do u learn how to make the arduino send signals to MY radio receiver?
[20:26] <cjdavies> DanielRichman: there's probably a small contingent of monkeys who live there & are trained to press reset buttons on command ;)
[20:26] <Upu> basically
[20:26] <Upu> the answer to your next 49 questions is on http://ukhas.org.uk
[20:26] <MrScienceMan> nice schematic :)
[20:27] <ballon> the schematic is really nice thanks
[20:27] <Upu> its Tim's lasting testament to the HAB community, that and some good stories about recovering payloads from the English channel
[20:27] <ballon> one last question which i havent been answered by that page
[20:27] <ballon> btw sorry if im bothering with questions
[20:27] <Upu> its ok its kinda normal
[20:27] <daveake> You get a prize if you have a relevant question that isn't answered in the wiki
[20:28] <Upu> we call it the "Daveke" effect
[20:28] <ballon> why?
[20:28] <Upu> We got alot of people coming asking questions since daveake did his Pi in the Sky fligth
[20:28] <ballon> my question is probably irrelevant to most people daveake ;)
[20:29] <ballon> daveake is the guy that came out in the newspaper?
[20:29] <fsphil> he did?
[20:29] <daveake> lmao
[20:29] <Upu> haha
[20:29] <daveake> Not that I know of
[20:29] <Darkside> given that he's married..
[20:29] <fsphil> well now
[20:29] <Darkside> that'd be interesting
[20:29] <Upu> lost in translation but "coming out" means declaring he's gay
[20:29] <daveake> I think I've wet myself
[20:30] <ballon> ahah
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[20:30] <Upu> you seek cuddykid :)
[20:30] <Darkside> something else came out
[20:30] <Darkside> >_>
[20:30] <ballon> im getting of the point
[20:30] <Upu> we need a bash.org for here
[20:30] <daveake> and it won't go back
[20:30] <cuddykid> hi ballon
[20:30] <cuddykid> that's me :)
[20:30] <ballon> so final q
[20:30] <Upu> that would be so on there
[20:30] <ballon> hiii
[20:30] <ballon> congrats man
[20:30] <cuddykid> thanks
[20:30] <cuddykid> all the people here do similar projects :)
[20:30] <MrScienceMan> i vote for dedicated wiki page for quotes
[20:31] <ballon> can u give me the schematic of ur project cuddykid?
[20:31] <cuddykid> one sec
[20:31] <Darkside> ballon: work it out for yourself, it's not hard
[20:31] <ballon> or would it be too cheeky haha
[20:31] <daveake> I think "no" is the word cuddykid is searchiong for
[20:31] <Darkside> theres more than just the schematic
[20:31] <Darkside> there's coding involved
[20:31] <Darkside> and lots of testing
[20:32] <Upu> though its not that hard if you are willing to sit down and learn it
[20:32] <Upu> may I ask how old you are ballon ?
[20:32] <ballon> darkside, its not hard????
[20:32] <fsphil> hey if I can do it, anyone can :)
[20:32] <ballon> does that even matter upu
[20:32] <ballon> if its neccesary i will tell u
[20:32] <Upu> well yes if you're still at school asking your teacher may help
[20:32] <Darkside> ballon: no, it's not hard
[20:32] <Upu> teachers like this sort of thing sometimes
[20:33] <Upu> and they may be able to get you some resources
[20:33] <ballon> trust me, my teachers no NOTHINg about this
[20:33] <Upu> however if you're not at school thats not an option
[20:33] <Upu> tell them about it
[20:33] <ballon> i 17 so yes
[20:33] <Upu> ok
[20:33] <ballon> im doing my A levels
[20:33] <cuddykid> where abouts are you located ballon ?
[20:33] <Upu> Madrid
[20:33] <ballon> spain madrid
[20:33] <MrScienceMan> :D
[20:33] <ballon> thanks upu haha
[20:33] <Upu> ip geolocation :)
[20:33] <fsphil> lol
[20:34] <MrScienceMan> street and number?
[20:34] <MrScienceMan> :P
[20:34] <ballon> nope
[20:34] <ballon> im not telling u that
[20:34] <cuddykid> ahh
[20:34] <DanielRichman> ballon: even if they don't know anything they might be able to get you free stuff
[20:34] <fsphil> I think mine says I'm in London
[20:34] <DanielRichman> free stuff is good
[20:34] <ballon> sorry m8
[20:34] <DanielRichman> source: we got free stuff
[20:34] <cuddykid> thought it was UK after you said doing A levels
[20:35] <ballon> im in british school
[20:35] <MrScienceMan> :P
[20:35] <ballon> thats why i know how to speak english ;)
[20:35] <ballon> daniel richman, free stuff like what?
[20:35] <Upu> helium , batteries etc
[20:36] <MrScienceMan> candy?
[20:36] <Upu> honestly have a chat with your teacher
[20:36] <Upu> explain its of interest
[20:36] <Upu> there is so much "education" in one launch, teachers love it
[20:36] <Upu> if they aren't interested
[20:36] <Upu> go for it yourself
[20:36] <ballon> but im afraid teacher makes it a year project
[20:37] <Upu> it will be a year project anyway trust me :)
[20:37] <ballon> which i would hate
[20:37] <daveake> It probably is a year project
[20:37] <DanielRichman> you mean a year project as in a project for all the students in the year?
[20:37] <ballon> nono i mean with the whole year group (students)
[20:37] <daveake> Rule 1: Do not try to do it more quickly than you can.
[20:37] <ballon> i know its gonna take me a year, i meant students
[20:38] <cuddykid> I know what you mean ballon - I would do it yourself
[20:38] <cuddykid> or get a small group with teacher support
[20:38] <cuddykid> I did it myself
[20:38] <ballon> how??!!!!
[20:38] <cuddykid> then told them after - to their shock lol
[20:38] <daveake> do it yourself then you can be famous like cuddykid
[20:38] <cuddykid> lol
[20:38] <ballon> true
[20:38] <ballon> lol
[20:38] <ballon> but how did u do it
[20:38] <cuddykid> well, I say myself - but with the support of the UKHAS people :)
[20:38] <ballon> how did u learn all this
[20:39] <cuddykid> lots of research
[20:39] <cuddykid> takes a *long* time
[20:39] <daveake> ballon there is a lot of information on the web. About half of that is in the ukhas wiki
[20:39] <DanielRichman> ballon: have you done any programming?
[20:39] <ballon> nope thats the problem
[20:40] <ballon> i know NOTHING
[20:40] <ballon> no arduino, no gps, no radio
[20:40] <daveake> Even if you know something, there's a lot to learn
[20:40] <ballon> starting from 0
[20:40] <cuddykid> fairly similar to myself then - I had just done a bit of PHP/HTML stuff prior
[20:41] <cuddykid> which isn't really related
[20:41] <daveake> Well you have a lot to learn. No getting away from it. Plenty of people have done it before starting from zero or near zero.
[20:41] <DanielRichman> okay well. In my poor opinion based on fairly little evidence which is anecdotal at best, one problem you might have is attempting to learn to program while writing the code for your tracker. I would not do this
[20:41] <DanielRichman> Learn to program first. You could get an arduino and build simple things with the arduino, LEDs and stuff, to get started
[20:41] <daveake> agree. get an arduino and learn to flash LEDs
[20:41] <ballon> do what daniel?
[20:41] <daveake> what he just said
[20:42] <ballon> i cant find any tutorials to learn how to write code for arduino
[20:42] <daveake> do that; read a lot; don't rush
[20:42] <DanielRichman> the problem is if you go for the tracker code then you end up asking very specific questions like "how do get latitude from nmea" and without really understanding what's going on you're cobbling together fragments of other peoples code without understanding how the overlal thing works
[20:42] <Upu> you're not looking hard enough
[20:42] <daveake> Oh there are loads
[20:42] <DanielRichman> this is a recipe for bugs and stuff
[20:42] <DanielRichman> the arduino has a reasonably heavy focus on learning so just look round their website
[20:43] <ballon> daveake can u tell me?
[20:43] <daveake> tell u what?
[20:43] <ballon> me english is good but its not perfect and im having difficulties
[20:43] <ballon> web pages to learn how to write code
[20:43] <Upu> www.arduino.cc
[20:43] <ballon> to control arduino
[20:43] <Upu> http://arduino.cc/en/Tutorial/HomePage
[20:44] <daveake> There are many. I don't know where in particular as there was no web when I learnt :p
[20:44] <ballon> all ready been there but it doesnt TEACH u how to write code
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[20:45] <ballon> it tells u how to everything except how to do that (or very overall explanation
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[20:46] <ballon> hello???
[20:46] <Upu> you'll learn as you go on
[20:46] <ballon> so should i just buy an arduino not knowing how to write code??
[20:47] <Upu> well I'd look through the site
[20:47] <Upu> at the examples, we can't teach you C
[20:47] <Hix__> ballon - TRUST me, you have to learn code. It's tough but it's a necessity. I am currently going through the pain barrier :)
[20:47] <daveake> Order an Arduino, and while you wait read some tutorials. Then as soon as you get it, program something simple.
[20:48] <ballon> how are u learning his?
[20:48] <Hix__> #Arduino is one channel.
[20:48] <ballon> hix*
[20:48] <Hix__> plus www.arduino.cc , cplusplus.com etc etc
[20:50] <eroomde> http://www.ladyada.net/learn/arduino/
[20:50] <daveake> The whole task will take you a long time. Don't expect it to be easy. Expect it to be hard. Expect there to be points where it even seems impossible you will ever finish. Remember that the result is worth the effort.
[20:50] <eroomde> also looks good
[20:51] <Hix__> daveake: I've had that voice in my head every evening this week :D
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[20:52] <daveake> I was thinking of you actually :D
[20:52] <number10> thats nice of you
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[20:53] <daveake> don't mention it :D
[20:53] <daveake> you missed the bit earlier where someone revealed that I'd "come out" in a newspaper :D
[20:54] <number10> must have been that comment i left on the register
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[20:54] <hiiii> sorry its me again
[20:54] <hiiii> ballon)
[20:54] <daveake> Before you worry, a - wasn't me, and b - his English failed him somewhat
[20:55] <eroomde> ??google
[20:55] <daveake> poor zeusbot
[20:55] <eroomde> alas
[20:55] <hiiii> im having problem getting to #Arduino
[20:55] <hiiii> how do i do this??
[20:55] <Upu> type /join #arduino
[20:56] <hiiii> where should i type this?
[20:56] <eroomde> below this line
[20:56] <daveake> You might want to try learning about it on the web before you ask too many questions there
[20:56] <daveake> People generally appreciate you putting effort in before the 20 questions
[20:57] <hiiii> but u guys told me to ask there on where to learn to write code
[20:57] <hiiii> well im sure it wasnt u dave
[20:57] <eroomde> no we didnt
[20:57] <hiiii> but the other guy
[20:57] <daveake> No we didn't
[20:57] <eroomde> we said it's a place to ask questions
[20:57] <hiiii> eroomde u weren't there sorry
[20:57] <eroomde> biut a skill you MUST learn is how to ask *good* questions
[20:57] <hiiii> o u were?
[20:57] <eroomde> hiiii: doesnt matter
[20:58] <hiiii> good questions??
[20:58] <eroomde> yes
[20:58] <eroomde> "hey how u learn code thx"
[20:58] <eroomde> is an example of a bad question
[20:58] <hiiii> example of good q?
[20:59] <eroomde> "hi, i'm a bit confused by this explanation of ints on this website, could someone tell me what [insert here] means?"
[20:59] <eroomde> i.e. you have to show you've made an effort yoursel first
[20:59] <eroomde> and done a bit of googling
[20:59] <hiiii> thanks for the tip
[21:00] <eroomde> it makes it much easier to asnwer the question, which means you get more answers
[21:00] <hiiii> ill do some googling and in a week ill go to arduino#
[21:00] <hiiii> is that good?
[21:00] <daveake> depends what you do during the week :)
[21:01] <nigelvh> The time frame doesn't matter, what matters is that you've put some effort in to finding the answer yourself.
[21:01] <hiiii> aparts from school related; arduino stuff
[21:01] <eroomde> hiiii: yes that's a good start
[21:01] <eroomde> i would buy an arduino
[21:01] <eroomde> and in the mean time read some stuff
[21:01] <eroomde> then try some of the arduino examples
[21:01] <eroomde> see if you can start to understand them
[21:01] <hiiii> okey, so before i leave, what arduino should i buy
[21:02] <eroomde> Uno
[21:02] <daveake> Uno
[21:02] <hiiii> why?
[21:02] <eroomde> latest newest bestest
[21:02] <number10> buy a PIC
[21:02] <hiiii> PIC?
[21:02] <eroomde> nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[21:02] <daveake> because others have asked before and that's always the answer
[21:02] <eroomde> ignore hiiii
[21:02] <number10> lol
[21:03] <hiiii> oksss
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[21:03] <hiiii> anything else i should buy??
[21:03] <hiiii> btw i have mac, thats fine right?
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[21:03] <eroomde> yes that's fine
[21:04] <eroomde> you don't need anything else just yet
[21:04] <hiiii> led??
[21:04] <Upu> it has one on
[21:04] <hiiii> usb??
[21:04] <hiiii> on port 13?
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[21:04] <Upu> well read yes
[21:04] <hiiii> that was the answer to the usb or port?
[21:05] <Upu> the LED
[21:05] <Upu> it has USB too
[21:05] <hiiii> oh so it comes with it
[21:05] <Upu> yes
[21:05] <hiiii> great!
[21:05] <Upu> thats how you program it
[21:05] <hiiii> yep
[21:05] <hiiii> thanks to EVERYONE
[21:05] <Hix__> http://arduino.cc/en/Tutorial/Foundations
[21:05] <hiiii> really helpfull as always
[21:06] <fsphil> you've been in the channel before?
[21:06] <hiiii> hahahaah yess
[21:06] <hiiii> yesterday
[21:06] <hiiii> i was hello_
[21:06] <daveake> ah well, goodbye hello
[21:07] <fsphil> hiiii ya
[21:07] <hiiii> byee!
[21:07] <hiiii> ill be back!! ahhahah
[21:07] <daveake> That's someone else's line
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[21:07] <Upu> I blame you cuddykid :)
[21:07] <fsphil> Adam!!111one
[21:07] <fsphil> lol
[21:08] Action: Hix__ doesn't feel so bad now :D
[21:09] <Hix__> Right, not only is the IDE shat. 1.0, 1.0.1 and 0023 are utter shat
[21:10] <cuddykid> oh no lol
[21:10] <cuddykid> they're coming in droves now!
[21:11] <Upu> you know its bad when I didn't even link the shop.... :)
[21:11] <Hix__> 0020 and the HABTinyGPS are actually letting me compile a loop(){Serial.begin(9600;}
[21:11] <Hix__> Which is obviously a very complex loop
[21:11] <Hix__> But the other versions were spitting out
[21:12] <fsphil> lol Upu
[21:12] <Hix__> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=y3DQwn2f
[21:13] <fsphil> my geoip says I'm in Bracknell
[21:13] <Hix__> wtf???? Days wasted thinking my code was shat....
[21:14] <cjdavies> I found some code yesterday with a missing ";) on the end of a Serial.print that caused the IDE to completely shit itself
[21:14] <fsphil> you actually got that code to compile?
[21:14] <Hix__> and before you say it Upu Hiiii is not even close to Hix__ its about as close as Upix was!!
[21:16] <Hix__> fsphil: void setup()
[21:16] <Hix__> {
[21:16] <Hix__> Serial.begin(9600);
[21:16] <Hix__> }
[21:16] <Hix__> void loop()
[21:16] <Hix__> {
[21:16] <Hix__> }
[21:16] <Hix__> typo. was having clenched fist typing issues
[21:16] Action: Hix__ breathes in............ and out.............
[21:16] <fsphil> ah
[21:17] <Hix__> software updates. PAH!
[21:19] <fsphil> you're having fun tonight
[21:21] <Hix__> I've worked out that pub>=( 1.0.0+1.0) and am thinking that #include<Beer.h> needs to be added in a minute :D
[21:21] <daveake> cuddykid I've added a new term http://ukhas.org.uk/general:glossary :)
[21:21] <DrLuke> http://i.imgur.com/AWfyP.jpg
[21:23] <Hix__> daveake: Genius :D
[21:23] <fsphil> hiPhone
[21:23] <cuddykid> lol daveake
[21:27] <Upu> lol like it daveake
[21:29] <daveake> Can't believe that one was missing :)
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[21:30] <Lunar_Lander__> hello
[21:30] <cuddykid> if there are any hardcore Apple fans (not that I'm one.. ;) ) who are looking to pre-order iPhone 5 - I knocked up a little script this afternoon that might help notify you when pre-orders online (not related to HAB) - http://notify.acudworth.co.uk
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[21:32] <fsphil> we've a couple of fanboys at work
[21:32] <Upu> its just a 4s with a big screen
[21:32] <fsphil> they where getting one before it was even announced
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[21:32] <cuddykid> very true Upu
[21:32] <Lunar_Lander__> xD
[21:32] <cuddykid> I don't think I'm going to get one
[21:33] <cuddykid> I'd get the new lumia but the whole app ecosystem just isn't the same as android or iOS
[21:33] <Hix__> tis an android witha small screen Upu
[21:34] <Upu> they are going to fall sooner or later as they aren't innovating they are just tying people in
[21:34] <cuddykid> yep
[21:34] <cuddykid> I agree
[21:34] <fsphil> my last nokia phone was crap, not sure I'd risk it again
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[21:35] <Hix__> enough. Pub. L8rs
[21:36] <cuddykid> right, I'm off, have to be at the radio station for 8:20 tomorrow - which is *extremely* early for a student :P
[21:36] <fsphil> lol
[21:36] <fsphil> hey, it's early for me too
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[21:45] <Upu> evening jcoxon
[21:48] <EarthBreeze> evening everyone
[21:48] <fsphil> evening
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander__> hi EarthBreeze
[21:49] <EarthBreeze> greetings LL
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[21:52] <DrLuke> is anyone of you going to the ILA in berlin=
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[21:55] <jcoxon> EarthBreeze, have they found the payload?
[21:58] <EarthBreeze> No sadly still no find and not a sound
[21:58] <jcoxon> whats popped up on the tracker?
[21:59] <EarthBreeze> funny thing, I have been doing these flights for 25 years now, and have done now 51 flights, and only have not recovered two of them, and both happen to be this flight configuration, hows that for crazy!
[21:59] <EarthBreeze> I was gonna ask that of you.
[22:00] <EarthBreeze> when I came in here and looked it ws 15:00Z yet look at the time on that? Time: 2012-09-13 17:40:15
[22:00] <jcoxon> is that the base position?
[22:02] <EarthBreeze> thats my house and launch site
[22:03] <jcoxon> oh right
[22:03] <jcoxon> its probably the ghost in the machine
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[22:05] <EarthBreeze> But I do not know who KB9TEN is.
[22:06] <jcoxon> lets investigate
[22:06] <jcoxon> ping DanielRichman Randomskk
[22:07] <Randomskk> hi
[22:07] <DanielRichman> yo
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[22:08] <jcoxon> any info on KB9TEN?
[22:08] <jcoxon> just has popped up KB9KHO
[22:08] <Randomskk> I'd ask qrz.com not me
[22:08] <Randomskk> he has a page on qrz.com incidentally
[22:08] <jcoxon> oh i mean
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[22:08] <jcoxon> what string on habitat
[22:09] <DanielRichman> yep, qrz indeed. Can't tell you any more than it can
[22:09] <DanielRichman> well I can tell you exactly what he uploaded
[22:10] <DanielRichman> his house is also on APRS
[22:10] <jcoxon> yeah madison
[22:12] <DanielRichman> [2012-09-13 03:45:44,798] INFO habitat.parser MainThread: Parsing [ascii] '$$KB9KHO/B,0143,17:40:15,+43.609971,-090.082666,00324
[22:12] <DanielRichman> M,000K,359D,07.37V,07.61V,P25C,P23C*74\n' (96d1d10a22dc9a04fefb2359dc81503e016aa500836660c7e27b82f8ad3e1430) from KB9TEN
[22:12] <EarthBreeze> did he actually up load the position? can that be done manually like hacked or whatever?
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[22:13] <DanielRichman> yes it can be faked
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[22:14] <EarthBreeze> that could suck he he he
[22:14] <DanielRichman> note: that was the first time that string was uploaded
[22:14] <jcoxon> when was it uploaded?
[22:14] Action: _Hix has a pint and has now chilled out :)
[22:14] <DanielRichman> 03:45 utc today I believe
[22:15] <Lunar_Lander__> what I wanted to ask you all
[22:15] <jcoxon> EarthBreeze, does the payload default to previous positions?
[22:15] <EarthBreeze> yeah I like the time stamp Time: 2012-09-13 17:40:15
[22:15] <Lunar_Lander__> who of you, except for DrLuke already used AVR chips without Arduino IDE?
[22:15] <jcoxon> or will it do 0,0,0
[22:15] <EarthBreeze> Not that I am aware of.
[22:15] <DanielRichman> the time stamp should probably be yesterday? maybe yesterday's gps lock
[22:15] <jcoxon> so if it doesn't have a lock what does it do
[22:15] <EarthBreeze> it sends the lst known valid position.
[22:16] <jcoxon> EarthBreeze, what happens if their is no valid position
[22:16] <jcoxon> (e.g. its died and restarted
[22:16] <jcoxon> )
[22:16] <fsphil> that could be a position from just before landing?
[22:16] <jcoxon> fsphil, its hwere EarthBreeze lives
[22:16] <fsphil> from the flight path would that position make sense?
[22:16] <_Hix> What is the best method to send commands to ublox to change to flightmode? Looked at the fsa03 on wiki but didnt understand how the hex array works
[22:17] <DanielRichman> the code on spacenear that tries to work out the timestamp assumes the gps time and today (it's on spacenear, not habitat; legacy stuff)
[22:17] <EarthBreeze> until it gets a new valid s if it went totally flat power wise, then the solar cells got it going again, until it gets a valid position it transmits nothing at all.
[22:17] <jcoxon> DanielRichman, when was KB9TEN online with dl-fldigi?
[22:17] <fsphil> _Hix: the array is the command packet that sets the mode
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[22:18] <jcoxon> haha
[22:18] <jcoxon> i've worked it out
[22:18] <fsphil> wb _Hix
[22:18] <jcoxon> $$KB9KHO/B,0143,17:40:15,+43.609971,-090.082666,00324M,000K,359D,07.37V,07.61V,P25C,P23C*74
[22:18] <jcoxon> its the test string on your website EarthBreeze
[22:18] <_Hix> Sorry phone is pants at irc
[22:19] <fsphil> aww
[22:19] <_Hix> So why an array and not a print?
[22:19] <fsphil> an array of bytes is how you store data in C
[22:19] <Lunar_Lander__> who of you, except for DrLuke already used AVR chips without Arduino IDE?
[22:20] <fsphil> it's binary data so you can't really store it as a string
[22:20] <_Hix> Ok
[22:20] <_Hix> Clears that up
[22:20] <EarthBreeze> so he's a jerk playing around
[22:20] <fsphil> a string is an array of bytes too, just one that 0x00 cannot occur in except at the end
[22:21] <fsphil> (usually)
[22:21] <_Hix> Ive put in near on 20 hours of C after work this week. And have started to "get it"
[22:21] <jcoxon> EarthBreeze, i wouldn't take it personally
[22:22] <fsphil> C has this 'everything is a number' thing going on that took me a while to get
[22:22] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[22:22] <_Hix> Fsphil how do you mean? Btw have you got your notam yet?
[22:23] <EarthBreeze> o I'm not., just some people. like the jerks that have showed up on QRZ, I'm amazed the moderators of the board don't ban some of those people.
[22:23] <fsphil> _Hix: negative. no response so far
[22:23] <_Hix> Arse
[22:23] <_Hix> Feck
[22:24] <jonsowman> Drink!
[22:24] <_Hix> Am
[22:24] <_Hix> Finaly
[22:24] <_Hix> Ll
[22:25] <_Hix> When are they going to bring out a dual screen phone
[22:25] <_Hix> Irc and web/code at once....
[22:25] <DanielRichman> two phones?
[22:26] <_Hix> Two sets of hands
[22:26] <_Hix> Bills charging
[22:27] <_Hix> Anyhow. So from ucenter. Rrrr american spelling. I get the hex array of my commands and then push that. How does confirm work?
[22:27] <_Hix> Insert confirmation array and do an if?
[22:28] <fsphil> I think the code on the wiki has a copy of the ACK packet, and compares what the gps says with that
[22:28] <jonsowman> only some messages generate an ACK though
[22:29] <jonsowman> (or a NACK)
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[22:29] <hix2> Ffs
[22:30] <hix2> Disconnects me but tells me nick in use
[22:30] <hix2> Was tempted to use hiiii
[22:30] <jonsowman> have you got your nick registered with NickServ?
[22:30] <hix2> But thought it would send people fleeing like a nuke alert
[22:31] <hix2> Jonsowman wouldnt know using a pants app on phone
[22:32] <jonsowman> hix2: read about registering your nick, then you can kick 'old versions' of yourself off
[22:32] <jonsowman> it's calling ghosting
[22:32] <jonsowman> *called
[22:32] <nigelvh> I just have nigelvh and nigelvh_ both registered
[22:32] <nigelvh> Eventually the old one times out and I just switch.
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[22:33] <jonsowman> hixfinal: http://www.wikihow.com/Register-a-User-Name-on-Freenode - step 4 onwards
[22:33] <jonsowman> make sure your nick is currently the one you wish to register.
[22:34] <hixfinal> Cheers. Think maybe better not to try from phone tho
[22:35] <jonsowman> probably true
[22:35] <jonsowman> personally I run irssi on a VPS, so that if my connection fails, I can just reconnect to the server and the IRC session hasn't been interrupted
[22:36] Action: cjdavies has a 280-day old irssi/screen session on his dedi atm :)
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[22:36] <cjdavies> so convenient~
[22:36] <hixfinal> Should have brought ipad. At least it holds a connection and typing isnt smd liknd of dexterity
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[22:36] <nigelvh> cjdavies, that's what I do.
[22:36] <jonsowman> yep, irssi & screen is the way forward
[22:36] <jonsowman> or tmux
[22:37] <cjdavies> I'm too used to screen to try tmux
[22:37] <jonsowman> me too really
[22:37] <jonsowman> uptime: 152d 23h 43m 36s
[22:37] <jonsowman> mm
[22:37] <hixfinal> Still pissed off about my ssd not coming for the weekend tho.
[22:38] <hixfinal> Jonsowman is it easy to set up a log system like zeusbot has? Thinking for otjer channels so i can go back and search info
[22:39] <hixfinal> Have a server at home
[22:39] <DanielRichman> irssi has built in logging so if you're using that to connect to irc you can always go back and grep your logs
[22:39] <DanielRichman> provided you're connected 24/7 ofc
[22:39] <jonsowman> indeed, otherwise there are several irc bots that are capable of logging
[22:40] <hixfinal> Hmm its a w2k8 server.
[22:40] <jonsowman> https://chunkhost.com
[22:40] <jonsowman> free 2GB/128mb VPS ^
[22:40] <jonsowman> run Ubuntu/Debian and use for irssi
[22:40] <jonsowman> :)
[22:41] <hixfinal> Cool. Check out of phone...
[22:41] <hixfinal> Hmm raspberry pi could be used no?
[22:41] <hixfinal> Low power unix server
[22:42] <jonsowman> that'd work fine, but the connection reliability of your home connection is probably worse than the VPS
[22:42] <hixfinal> Vps being?
[22:42] <jonsowman> virtual private server
[22:42] <hixfinal> Ah ok ta
[22:43] <jonsowman> it's a virtual machine but you get root access etc
[22:43] <jonsowman> so for all intents and purposes it acts like a dedi
[22:43] <hixfinal> Ok will look
[22:43] <hixfinal> Thats what zeus is?
[22:43] <jonsowman> zeus is eggdrop
[22:44] <jonsowman> running on a UKHAS dedicated server
[22:44] <hixfinal> Ok
[22:45] <hixfinal> Gonna give up phone based lark. Cheers guys
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[22:48] <Lunar_Lander__> I got one more question
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[22:48] <Lunar_Lander__> what was that UKHAS-1 flight all about?
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