highaltitude.log.20120912

[00:00] <EarthBreeze> still here?
[00:03] <ronald454> Any more informaton on the baloon and what was the last location?
[00:03] <EarthBreeze> Ok,
[00:04] <EarthBreeze> the last location was between Janesville, WI. And Rockford, IL.
[00:04] <EarthBreeze> Wht do you plan on using for decoding?
[00:05] <EarthBreeze> even a recording e mailed to me would be great we can decode it if tht makes it any easier
[00:05] <ronald454> Ok, only thing I hear on 10.145 is what sounds like slowscan.
[00:06] <ronald454> I am in Chippewa Falls, WI
[00:06] <EarthBreeze> yeah it's been awful quiet
[00:06] <EarthBreeze> close to KB9ZWL?
[00:07] <ronald454> He is in Eau Claire I think, I am 10 miles N of there.
[00:07] <EarthBreeze> OK
[00:08] <ronald454> Do you think it is down or just froze.
[00:15] <ronald454> Well if I hear anything I will get back on here and let you know. CUL thanks
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[00:23] <N0AMT> I'm in Collinsville, IL listening on 10.145 USB in RTTY mode decoding with DM780
[00:25] <N0AMT> nothing heard at the moment.. some cw, but cant make it out, it's in the floor
[00:25] <N0AMT> trying to pull it out/decode
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[00:39] <EarthBreeze> all's quiet here
[00:40] <WJ9H> Nothing but an occasional TNC packet on 10.148.
[00:40] <WJ9H> Did you ever talk with Len about what he heard last night?
[00:41] <EarthBreeze> he never got a recording to me. a few others have, but what was recorded was not the payload
[00:41] <WJ9H> OK. I was getting my hopes up.
[00:42] <WJ9H> Another question, is there an official record for duration on a high-altitude balloon?
[00:43] <EarthBreeze> lemme find the site, there is one, distance right now would be hard to beat KB6RPT. cvalifornia to Spain.
[00:43] <WJ9H> Were you going for distance or duration?
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[00:44] <EarthBreeze> well testing concept, and if duration. Distance was for sre not because thats why choodse 65K to 70K parking altitude wind speed was like nothing
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[00:45] <EarthBreeze> go here
[00:45] <EarthBreeze> http://arhab.org/
[00:45] <EarthBreeze> center colum is records
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[00:47] <WJ9H> Interesting stuff.
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[00:48] <EarthBreeze> yup
[00:48] <WJ9H> About how much would it cost to repeat this type of flight?
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[00:48] <EarthBreeze> biggest expence was the bag
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[00:49] <EarthBreeze> or maybe the payload,, I do not know what it cost, it was donated.
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[00:51] <WJ9H> Alrighty, I have some sleep catch-up to do, stayed up way too late last 2 nights. Hoping for good news in the near future...
[00:54] <WJ9H> 73
[00:54] <EarthBreeze> me too.
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[06:41] <costyn> EarthBreeze: I was talking to nick last night about stability ; that video is pretty impressive, what's the secret? :)
[06:42] <costyn> radim_OM2AMR: I made some videos with gps data embedded using subtitles. You do need to convert from your csv to .srt or so. Not very complicated. If you want I'll write a script, I'd be interested in it myself
[06:42] <costyn> radim_OM2AMR: example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkBX6ZRxoIM&feature=g-upl
[06:44] <costyn> still can't believe we made it back over the city :D
[06:46] <costyn> Randomskk: nice pics of iceland, here's mine: http://www.flickr.com/photos/costyn/sets/72157614805927036/ it was march, quite a bit colder :)
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[06:46] <radim_OM2AMR> costyn - excelent ;-)
[06:47] <radim_OM2AMR> what kind of language are you using in script ?
[06:48] <costyn> radim_OM2AMR: perl
[06:49] <radim_OM2AMR> ok, maybe I should be able to edit it to fit my csv format, could you please provide it to me ?
[06:49] <costyn> radim_OM2AMR: people have taken my script and 'ran with it': https://github.com/Baztoune/gps2srt
[06:50] <costyn> radim_OM2AMR: wait, that's crap link, nevermind
[06:51] <costyn> radim_OM2AMR: this: http://larve.free.fr/gpx2srt/Site/gpx2srt.html
[06:52] <costyn> radim_OM2AMR: it's changed a lot since I wrote it
[06:52] <costyn> radim_OM2AMR: and I can't vouch for the accuracy
[06:52] <costyn> radim_OM2AMR: what kind of data do you want to have in the subtitles?
[06:53] <radim_OM2AMR> I would like pass the altitude and temperature at least
[06:53] <costyn> radim_OM2AMR: well then don't use my script, it's way too complicated :)
[06:53] <costyn> radim_OM2AMR: give me your csv and I'll write a new script
[06:54] <costyn> radim_OM2AMR: i just sent you a pm with my email address
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[07:46] <nosebleedkt> good morning !
[07:50] <fsphil> wet here :)
[07:52] <UpuWork> and here
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[08:04] <daveake> OK whose payload was this? ;-) http://i.imgur.com/36s5f.gif
[08:05] <Darkside> that's off a crane :P
[08:05] <daveake> Aww really?
[08:05] <costyn> daveake: haha
[08:05] <daveake> I thought it might be a PC104 and a car battery
[08:08] <fsphil> nah, powered by petrol generator
[08:09] <daveake> true
[08:14] <jgrahamc> Remember to send up a monitor as well so your web cam can take SSTV pictures of the monitor showing flight information.
[08:14] <daveake> good point
[08:15] <fsphil> interesting: http://agile-sdr-solutions.com/ASRP3
[08:16] <nosebleedkt> daveake, very cool lol
[08:18] <costyn> fsphil: why is this better than your off-the-shelf usb dvb-t dongle?
[08:18] <fsphil> huge bandwidth
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[08:20] <fsphil> for normal tracking that's not terribly useful to be honest
[08:20] <fsphil> few flights exceed 1khz :)
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[08:22] <costyn> this thing can do 80Mhz while your Elonics 4000 does... ?
[08:22] <fsphil> the rtl-sdr can do a couple of MHz, can't remember exactly now
[08:23] <UpuWork> 50Mhz
[08:24] <costyn> is the 10x price worth it for 30 extra mhz?
[08:24] <costyn> I'm just trying to figure out when you'd need this wideband sdr thingy
[08:24] <UpuWork> Well depends if you want to use it and also if you bought the E4000 based ones when I did they were £12
[08:24] <UpuWork> but for what we do no
[08:25] <fsphil> rtl-sdr can't do 50mhz?
[08:25] <UpuWork> you can run rtl-test with some parameter and it will tell you the availble range
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[08:27] <fsphil> http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr
[08:41] <craag> I brought my payload to work so I could do a full battery-life test. But we've got one of these massively roofs so they don't have to clean the windows so often. 15 minutes of no GPS lock so far :(
[08:41] <craag> *massively overhanging
[08:42] <daveake> Take it outside to get a lock, then bring it in and put near a window. See if that works
[08:42] <craag> I was hoping someone would have a good idea like that, thanks!
[08:43] <daveake> Also, switch it off then on when outside, so it starts up with a decent view
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[08:48] <cuddykid> wow, 92 emails overnight
[08:49] <UpuWork> sure it will die down eventually
[08:49] <cuddykid> hopefully
[08:49] <daveake> email J*** ask if he needs training on how to be famous
[08:50] <cuddykid> lol
[08:50] <cuddykid> twitter followers have gone from 100 to almost 500
[08:51] <daveake> Do you have an agent ? ;)
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[08:51] <daveake> Upu is mine; I think I need to fire him :p
[08:52] <oh7lzb> got 5943 likes on my site's fb page, is pretty cool
[08:52] <UpuWork> yeah I don't have boobs
[08:52] <daveake> You need to eat more bacon butties then
[08:52] <cuddykid> oh - the aussie TV show want to drive me down to their london studio and film it live then drive me back :/
[08:52] <cuddykid> at 11:30 in the evening tomorrow
[08:53] <UpuWork> ££££££
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[09:03] <WillDuckworth> have you cleared it with darkside, cuddykid?
[09:03] <cuddykid> haha, I did tell him yesterday
[09:03] <cuddykid> not entirely sure why there is so much interest from Australia though
[09:04] <fsphil> probably the clouds in the photos
[09:04] <daveake> lol
[09:04] <daveake> Best they don't see my shots then :)
[09:05] <gonzo_> look like sheep. They are considered pron!
[09:05] <fsphil> yea, nature was having a good day that day
[09:05] <daveake> I got onto Steve's front page; that's enough fame for me :-)
[09:05] <Darkside> cuddykid: whats the tv show?
[09:05] <Darkside> sunrise?
[09:05] <Darkside> or something else
[09:05] <cuddykid> sunrise
[09:05] <Darkside> ahh
[09:06] <cuddykid> is it big?
[09:06] <Darkside> it's one of the main morning shows
[09:06] <Darkside> that mums and old people watch
[09:06] <cuddykid> ah ok
[09:10] <MrScienceMan> thats nice dear
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[09:12] <fsphil> you did great on the CNN bit
[09:13] <UpuWork> got a link ?
[09:14] <fsphil> http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2012/09/11/intv-amateur-space-photographer.cnn
[09:16] <UpuWork> very good
[09:17] <daveake> nice
[09:18] <daveake> Though you should say "we" not "I" as of course it was a joint project .... lol
[09:18] <eroomde> cuddykid: that was shit
[09:18] <eroomde> where is all the stuff about inspiring people's creativity and offering them signed photos of you as part of a sponsorship package?
[09:18] <eroomde> YOU NEED TO LEARN HOW TO MANAGE THE MEDIA
[09:19] <UpuWork> I was waiting for the Josh based punch line
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[09:23] <jgrahamc> Also, when they show the images your balloon took of Earth you need to start crying and blub about how beautiful it all looks and then start singing Bet Midler's "From A Distance"/
[09:24] <daveake> or...
[09:24] <daveake> I've looked at clouds from both sides now
[09:24] <daveake> From up and down, and still somehow
[09:24] <daveake> It's cloud illusions I recall
[09:24] <daveake> I really don't know clouds at all
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[09:24] <Randomskk> we really need to hurry up with a hab points system. or at least pun points. or maybe irc points
[09:25] <Randomskk> but daveake would just be at stratospheric levels. us common folk could never compete.
[09:25] <daveake> handicap system
[09:25] <Randomskk> oh well. time to go to work
[09:25] <Randomskk> bbl
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[09:33] <fsphil> there's been a hab points system for a while now, although I think I'm negative atm
[09:34] <fsphil> there needs to be a script to parse the logs and keep score :)
[09:34] <eroomde> and a central bank that controls the value of the currency
[09:36] <fsphil> based on irc chatter? well I suppose its less risky than the stock market
[09:38] <eroomde> fo sho
[09:39] <Darkside> hmm theres an ESA thing involving flying experiments on balloons
[09:40] <gonzo_> the rules for HAB points can be loosely based on those for Mornington Crescent
[09:40] <Darkside> http://www.rexusbexus.net/
[09:40] <eroomde> bexus?
[09:40] <Darkside> looks more ZPs tho
[09:40] <eroomde> yeah
[09:40] <eroomde> you'll wait 4 years for a flight and you'll mainly be making microsoft word documents
[09:41] <eroomde> and you won;t be allowed out to kiruna, statistically
[09:41] <Darkside> lol
[09:41] <Darkside> ok
[09:41] <eroomde> always easier to do this things on the down low than knock on the front door
[09:41] <Darkside> also, licence application mailed to ofcom :-)
[09:41] <Darkside> i wonder how long until i get a response
[09:43] <UpuWork> this for a UK license ?
[09:43] <Darkside> yep
[09:43] <Darkside> Full (Reciprocal)
[09:43] <eroomde> desired call?
[09:43] <Darkside> its so i can transmit out the remote data TX here with a local licence
[09:44] <Darkside> eroomde: didn't pick one
[09:44] <Darkside> i would have like G0DAY bit its taken
[09:44] <UpuWork> lol
[09:44] <Darkside> ohc rap
[09:44] <Darkside> i should have put M0TWN in
[09:44] <eroomde> TWN?
[09:44] <Darkside> oh well
[09:44] <eroomde> oh motwon
[09:44] <Darkside> 0town
[09:44] <Darkside> motown
[09:44] <fsphil> M0ROO
[09:44] <Darkside> lol
[09:45] <eroomde> M0ISH
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[09:45] <fsphil> hah
[09:45] <eroomde> M0IST
[09:45] <eroomde> M0ORE take annoyingly
[09:45] <eroomde> although when i suggested it he said quick as a flash 'no donlt do that, crap in morse'
[09:45] <UpuWork> M0OOT oz on tour
[09:45] <Darkside> lol eroomde
[09:46] <daveake> How sad do you have to be to do the "crap in morse" thing?
[09:46] <eroomde> ten dars in a row
[09:46] <UpuWork> M0IST is taken
[09:46] <daveake> lol
[09:46] <fsphil> hah
[09:46] <Darkside> ...- -.- ..... --.- ..
[09:47] <UpuWork> M0MUK is free Mark in UK
[09:47] <eroomde> M0HOM
[09:47] <UpuWork> M0LOL is free too
[09:47] <eroomde> cos mark likes ginger beer
[09:48] <daveake> M0HAB ?
[09:48] <UpuWork> M0GAY free any one ? :)
[09:48] <Darkside> heh
[09:48] <Darkside> we tried to get VK5HAB
[09:48] <UpuWork> M0HAB is taken
[09:48] <Darkside> but it was taken :(
[09:48] <Darkside> we could have got VK5HB
[09:48] <eroomde> right i need to do stuff
[09:48] <eroomde> have a lovely day tout les monde
[09:48] <Darkside> woot, hamlib works with my LO
[09:49] <radim_OM2AMR> hello everybody, where can I find UKHAS/ARHAB record table, please ?
[09:49] <UpuWork> World Records : http://www.ukhas.org.uk/general:uk_records
[09:50] <daveake> search the ukhas wiki for records
[09:50] <UpuWork> someother site http://www.arhab.org/ARHABrecords.htm
[09:50] <radim_OM2AMR> oh, sorry :-) thanx
[09:51] <radim_OM2AMR> is that list automatically populated or no ?
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[09:51] <cuddykid> lol eroomde
[09:52] <cuddykid> It was about a 25 min interview - he's just cut up little bits
[09:53] <daveake> The ukhas list is a wiki; edit yourself
[09:53] <daveake> arhab you have to email them
[09:55] <radim_OM2AMR> daveake, ok, our Hwoyee1600 surprised with 39104m instead of 35km, as you said - woo-woo :-D
[09:56] <daveake> 1600s don't burst at 35km :). It's 27km or 39+
[09:57] <radim_OM2AMR> :lol:
[09:57] <daveake> UpuWork Is that meant to be a UK list (in which case Tim's flight shouldn't be there) or open?
[09:57] <UpuWork> thats the world records
[09:57] <UpuWork> jsut missing the US ones
[09:58] <daveake> lol
[09:58] <UpuWork> but they don't count anyway as they weren't registered with us prior to the flight
[09:58] <daveake> 'cos it says UK quite a lot
[09:58] <daveake> lmao
[09:59] <UpuWork> In the same way that So Long and thanks for all the fish was the 4th book in the increasinly inaccurate "trilogy" the "UK" in UKHAS is becoming increasingly inaccurate
[10:00] <daveake> gottit
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[10:03] <SpeedEvil> universal karmic?
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[10:06] <cuddykid> Uni's leaped on board - apparently they're at the 'forefront of development of GPS technology' - they're happy to help with future projects :) hopefully I can get them on board for some sort of autonomous glider
[10:06] <costyn> cuddykid: sponsoring! :)
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[10:08] <craag> cuddykid: That's great. Get them to lend you some Differential-GPS gear!
[10:11] <cuddykid> yeah - hopefully I can get some helium (or hydrogen :P ) free from them too
[10:14] <costyn> has anybody tried to order balloons from Hwoyee directly?
[10:14] <UpuWork> yes they will ship small volumes but by the time you've paid import etc you might as well buy them from Steve
[10:14] <costyn> I see
[10:15] <Darkside> yep
[10:15] <Darkside> we order straight from hwoyee
[10:15] <costyn> their "Order Online" section is from 1996
[10:15] <Darkside> shipping costs are horrendus
[10:15] <costyn> Darkside: I see... no usual Chinese "free shipping" then?
[10:17] <costyn> tried to send an email to sales@hwoyee.com (on their contact page) and got a bounce
[10:17] <Darkside> nope
[10:17] <Darkside> too heavy
[10:17] <costyn> makes sense
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[10:21] <costyn> so guys, I asked this last night, but the Project Aether carbon fiber frames seem like a good way to get a really stable payload frame for video. Any other reasons besides weight that I haven't seen anybody else use it? http://projectaether.org/media/Weather%20Balloon%20Kit.jpg
[10:24] <UpuWork> its still going to spin ?
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[10:26] <costyn> it should be a lot less than a small eps box?
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[10:26] <UpuWork> possibly...I'd prefer insulation
[10:26] <daveake> spinning is good :)
[10:27] <daveake> insulation is good :)
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[10:34] <costyn> for video I'd like my payload not to spin too fast :)
[10:34] <daveake> true
[10:37] <cuddykid> ukhas might see a little increase in visitors - just directing all the ones interested there :)
[10:38] <cuddykid> UpuWork: looks like the interest has almost reached my bandwidth limit for the month :P
[10:39] <UpuWork> I'll sort that 1 sec
[10:40] <UpuWork> Status: success (Bandwidth Limit for acudwort has been set to 50000 megabytes)
[10:40] <cuddykid> ah, many thanks :D - should hopefully die down soon
[10:41] <daveake> hahahha
[10:41] <cuddykid> bbl
[10:42] <cuddykid> would host it from here, but on a 0.3mbps upload it might not be the best of ideas - soon I should have 60meg though
[10:42] <fsphil> cloudflare?
[10:43] <fsphil> they seem to be good at handling high loads
[10:44] <UpuWork> thats not particularly high usage
[10:45] <UpuWork> Hey Adam put a link to HAB Supplies on your site with "high altitude gps modules" on it thx :)
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[10:46] <MrScienceMan> latest and greatest build
[10:46] <MrScienceMan> http://i.imgur.com/m3VMD.jpg
[10:46] <nick_> Hi UpuWork do you do a bulk order discount on GPS boards?
[10:46] <UpuWork> looks like Dave's mkII :)
[10:46] <UpuWork> hi Nick PM
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[10:49] <radim_OM2AMR> UpuWork - your banner on our site modified - added "high altitude gps modules" :-)
[10:49] <UpuWork> thanks radim_OM2AMR :)
[10:50] <radim_OM2AMR> you're welcome :-)
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[10:51] <nick_> Does anyone know of a good tool to make non detailed schematics?
[10:53] <MrScienceMan> eagle?
[10:53] <MrScienceMan> you can literally just use wire tool and layers to draw whetever you want
[10:56] <nick_> I basically just want a conceptual schematic, so basically boxes linked to each other with labels, etc
[10:56] <nick_> I wasn't sure whether an actual schematic tool like eagle would be better than a standard image creating tool
[10:56] <UpuWork> MS Visio
[10:57] <nick_> This is for a poster
[10:57] <UpuWork> right back later
[10:57] <nick_> There are two letters that cause a problem there UpuWork
[10:57] <UpuWork> run windows your life will be easier
[10:57] <MrScienceMan> exactly, stop being wierd
[10:58] <UpuWork> afk
[10:59] <craag> nick_: I've done some simple stuff in libreoffice draw.
[10:59] <fsphil> libraoffice or inkscape
[11:00] <fsphil> inkscape will be more work
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[11:13] <cuddykid> UpuWork: will do :)
[11:20] <cuddykid> UpuWork: http://habe.acudworth.co.uk/blog/?page_id=88
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[11:29] <DanielRichman> nick_: GNOME Dia
[11:29] <DanielRichman> bonus: in the repos (probably, idk what you use)
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[11:42] <UpuWork> thanks cuddykid
[11:47] <cuddykid> nps
[11:48] <cuddykid> this might be of interest - never have too many of these (well.. you can.. but you know what I mean :P), for 1p delivered - http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/apple-iphone-micro-usb-mains-charger-for-1p-with-free-delivery-from-carphone-warehouse-1309651
[11:49] <fsphil> you've spend hundreds on a phone, why pay 1p for an explody psu from a dodgey phone company? :)
[11:50] <cuddykid> it's carphone warehouse so can't be too dodgy
[11:52] <fsphil> this is the same company that runs talk talk
[11:53] <cuddykid> good point haha
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[12:01] <chris_99> Just saw your balloon on Google news cuddykid, you're on a tonne of news sites now https://news.google.co.uk/news/more?pz=1&cf=all&ncl=dXh6RMMp_36HacM9IgK36y7NBhmdM&topic=snc :)
[12:01] <cuddykid> yeah, it's gone crazy! :)
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[12:14] <cuddykid> UpuWork: been pointing some potential customers to your store :)
[12:16] <UpuWork> many thanks
[12:16] <UpuWork> I'll consider that payment for the board constructions :)
[12:16] <Darkside> make sure to point the australian sto project horus!
[12:16] <costyn> nick_: Have you looked at LucidChart?
[12:16] <Darkside> its about time we got some mainstream media coverage...
[12:18] <UpuWork> trouble is Darkside clever university student makes 2 way comms on weather balloon doesn't quite have the same impact as OMG School Boy takes pictures of SPACEE!!!! OMG I leki poinies !
[12:18] <costyn> UpuWork: :D
[12:18] <UpuWork> apologies cuddykid not insinuating you're a school boy
[12:18] <Darkside> hey we've done stuffed toys in space
[12:18] <Darkside> penguins, monkeys
[12:18] <Darkside> statues
[12:18] <UpuWork> or taking anything away from what you've done
[12:18] <cuddykid> haha, it's fine UpuWork!
[12:18] <Darkside> there's a bloody MUSIC VIDEO using footage from one of our launches
[12:19] <cuddykid> some greenpeace guy is using one of my snaps for his album cover
[12:19] <Darkside> lol
[12:19] <cuddykid> and another eco warrior is using it in his video lol
[12:19] <Darkside> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDpuxe0KryI
[12:19] <UpuWork> ironic as you didn't use eco friendly gas
[12:19] <fsphil> did you tell them where the helium comes from? :)
[12:19] <Darkside> thats what we did
[12:20] <cuddykid> haha
[12:20] <Randomskk> comes from NUKES :O
[12:20] <fsphil> nuklear reactons!!
[12:20] <UpuWork> ah the irony
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[12:25] <daveake> cuddykid I assume you told the greenists that you used helium? :)
[12:25] <daveake> oh UpuWork got there first :D
[12:25] <cuddykid> daveake: he did :P
[12:26] <daveake> I should catch up backwards in future
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[12:26] <fsphil> that almost makes sense
[12:27] <cuddykid> uni is apparently sending a press release out now about the launch - *braces for local nottingham media onslaught*
[12:28] <Darkside> lol
[12:28] <MrScienceMan> bring on the angry witch burning mob
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[12:32] <gonzo_> do they only burn angry witches?
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[12:33] <Laurenceb> http://eu.mouser.com/framfordummies/
[12:33] <Laurenceb> ^lol
[12:39] <DrLuke> haha
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[12:47] <costyn> cuddykid: how did it all get started? you sent one press release to a local newspaper right?
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[12:55] <cuddykid> costyn: had the local paper come along to take photos (as usual) then it got picked up by a press agency in birmingham - a day later it was in telegraph, sun and daily mail - then it just went mad from then
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[12:58] <daveake> lol @ a Register comment: "NEWS FLASH: Dave is not dead."
[12:59] <daveake> (Someone had suggested H2 was dangerous)
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[13:17] <radim_OM2AMR> STS-1 launch preparation and launch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7QxFWrAtO4 :-)
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[13:29] <DrLuke> did you use hydrogen?
[13:29] <DrLuke> if so, those people are standing pretty close to the balloon
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[13:32] <radim_OM2AMR> no Helium
[13:32] <DrLuke> nice :)
[13:32] <radim_OM2AMR> we choose helium for safety reason for the first flight
[13:33] <radim_OM2AMR> you can see there balloon carton box from Steve ;-)
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[13:54] <costyn_> radim_OM2AMR: a tie-wrap *and* duct tape?
[13:55] <radim_OM2AMR> costyn_, yes, for shure, I saw it somewhere in wiki
[13:55] <fsphil> that's what I do
[13:55] <costyn_> radim_OM2AMR: and is the He regulator whistling?
[13:56] <costyn_> radim_OM2AMR: sorry, I mean on the filler tube, just a tiewrap would be sufficient?
[13:56] <radim_OM2AMR> probably yes, we can't identify the source of whistling
[13:56] <costyn_> I also did tiewraps and ducttape around the neck when it was done
[13:56] <daveake> For filling I use 2 tiewraps and then duct tape, to be sure to be sure :)
[13:57] <costyn_> ok... :) Today I Learned :)
[13:57] <radim_OM2AMR> yea costyn, we use for filling one tie wrap and duct tape
[13:57] <fsphil> that for the H2 daveake?
[13:57] <radim_OM2AMR> you learned - what does it mean ? ;-)
[13:57] <daveake> Having a balloon go up on its own = bad
[13:57] <daveake> fsphil Either :)
[13:58] <fsphil> aah. I've done the same as costyn_ so far, just used cable ties
[13:58] <daveake> Steve has a notch cut around his filler tube, so he only uses 1 tiewrap
[13:58] <fsphil> easy enough to remove the duct tape from the neck?
[13:58] <costyn_> radim_OM2AMR: It means I learned that when using a filler tube, I should use tie-wrap and ducttape :)
[13:58] <daveake> yes
[13:58] <fsphil> cool
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[13:58] <radim_OM2AMR> :-)
[13:59] <radim_OM2AMR> fsphil, yes, duct tape was removed easy
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[13:59] <costyn_> On my launch I Timmed it and didn't use a filler tube, which I regretted :)
[13:59] <fsphil> I shall have to remember that
[13:59] <fsphil> lol
[13:59] <radim_OM2AMR> I learned also something - do not leave balloon alone, as dave said
[13:59] <daveake> I thought you meant "timed", but I see what you did there :)
[14:00] <costyn_> daveake: :)
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[14:00] <daveake> Yeah I think "Do the opposite of Tim" is probably a good default rule
[14:00] <costyn> daveake: somehow he did manage to get 4 balloons to reasonable altitude and do interesting things :)
[14:02] <costyn> radim_OM2AMR: so you are tying the line right above where the filler tube ends in the neck?
[14:02] <daveake> "somehow" indeed :)
[14:02] <costyn> radim_OM2AMR: what was your neck lift ? It seems your 1600 was a lot more inflated than mine
[14:03] <radim_OM2AMR> costyn, no we tied neck about 3-4 cm from end
[14:03] <radim_OM2AMR> and then covered with some overlay by duct tape
[14:03] <radim_OM2AMR> neck lift was 3223g
[14:03] <fsphil> is the Dutch word for luck "tim"?
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[14:03] <radim_OM2AMR> :-D
[14:04] <costyn> fsphil: hehe :)
[14:04] <radim_OM2AMR> and SLovak work for luck Radim ? :-D
[14:04] <radim_OM2AMR> word
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[14:05] <costyn> radim_OM2AMR: ok, so somehow you had more helium in your 1600 with more neck-lift and yet you got higher than I did :)
[14:05] <costyn> Hwoyee's work in mysterious ways
[14:05] <costyn> s/'//
[14:05] <daveake> they do
[14:05] <radim_OM2AMR> yes, as daveake said woo-woo :-D
[14:05] <costyn> :D
[14:06] <costyn> radim_OM2AMR: is htat shielding at 17:20 that is being put in?
[14:07] <radim_OM2AMR> do you mean alluminium part with black corners ?
[14:07] <radim_OM2AMR> it's ground for active GPS antenna
[14:07] <costyn> yes
[14:07] <costyn> ah ok
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[14:10] <costyn> radim_OM2AMR: text-book launch :)
[14:10] <costyn> radim_OM2AMR: what's the small white box below?
[14:11] <costyn> radim_OM2AMR: is that a model airplane flying around at the very end?
[14:12] <radim_OM2AMR> brb
[14:12] <radim_OM2AMR> text-book launch, did you see my checklist ? :-)
[14:13] <radim_OM2AMR> small white box is radiosonde - Vaisala - RS92-SGPD, we will compare measurement of temp, humidity and pressure with professional sensors
[14:13] <radim_OM2AMR> and it did GPS backup for us ;-)
[14:15] <craag> daveake: Thanks for the idea with starting the GPS this morning, payload just went into time-triggered power saving after 5.5 hours of continuous TX :D
[14:15] <radim_OM2AMR> that model airplane - I noticed it during launch and I was angry...
[14:16] <daveake> craag Cool. They need a lot more signal strength to get a lock than to maintain one. Also, sometimes when they get started up with no signal, they seem to take ages to get a signal when they see one.
[14:20] <craag> Ok, I'll bear that in mind. I've used a backup battery+sarantel before and never had to worry about not getting a lock. But decided to go with the chip antenna this time.
[14:20] <costyn> radim_OM2AMR: ah yes, cool about the vaisala
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[14:29] <NigeyS> ping DanielRichman
[14:52] <WillDuckworth> hey NigeyS - are you going to the conf?
[14:55] <NigeyS> hey will
[14:55] <NigeyS> not this year dude, im away with the other half :/
[14:55] <WillDuckworth> oh well
[14:56] <NigeyS> more than my life is worth cancelling lol
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[15:42] <cuddykid> looks like the Beeb are interested in interviewing
[15:42] <kokey> nice
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[15:43] <kokey> well, except if it's jeremy paxman or john humphrys
[15:43] <cuddykid> they want me up in nottingham but not going back up for a week or so
[15:43] <cuddykid> I think they're going to arrange somewhere closer
[15:44] <kokey> where are you?
[15:44] <cuddykid> Worcester
[15:44] <kokey> ah, i forgot
[15:44] <cuddykid> not too far but still just over 1hr drive
[15:44] <daveake> Shame you're not going to the conf. You could do a signing session :p
[15:44] <kokey> it's not like it wasn't mentioned in the news or anything
[15:44] <cuddykid> and got a few other interviews tomorrow
[15:44] <cuddykid> lol daveake
[15:45] <cuddykid> going on BBC radio notts in 1hr
[15:45] <daveake> I do hope J*** is enjoying this :D
[15:45] <cuddykid> haha
[15:45] <cuddykid> need a code word
[15:46] <cuddykid> CNN are still writing their article - just got in touch to ask about "processing power" of ATMega328 lol
[15:46] <kokey> find a trigger word to wake up a sleeper cell
[15:47] <kokey> what mhz?
[15:47] <kokey> it's about 1MIPS per mhz
[15:47] <cuddykid> yeah, I think they were just going to pull the mhz value off datasheet
[15:48] <kokey> Cray-1 was 160MIPS
[15:48] <cuddykid> amazed that they found the correct data sheet
[15:50] <kokey> commodore 64 ran at 1 MIPS, Apple II ran at 0.7 MIPS, a 8mhz atmega328 runs at 8MIPS
[15:50] <daveake> "enough" is the answer
[15:50] <fsphil> C64 is actually slightly below 1mhz
[15:50] <fsphil> </nerd>
[15:50] <cuddykid> :P
[15:51] <daveake> MHz not mhz </nerd>
[15:51] <fsphil> when it's that slow, it's lowercase ;)
[15:51] <daveake> :)
[15:53] <kokey> ATMega328 at 8MHz runs roughly the speed of an Amiga 1200, depends on how you measure it
[15:54] <kokey> but you won't have fast sprite graphics
[15:54] <kokey> like joe public is going to understand all that
[15:54] <fsphil> wasn't the 68020 clocked at 14mhz?
[15:55] <kokey> yeah tho older CPUs completed instructions in several clock ticks
[15:55] <kokey> it's only by pentium time that non-risc chips started doing 1 instruction per tick
[16:00] <Darkside> woo my recording scheduler kind of works
[16:00] <Darkside> i need to make the schedule files a bit more flexible
[16:02] <Darkside> oh and of course the bloody time signal has to go into constant carrier mode
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[16:07] <Darkside> oh well, added to the schedule, i should have some nice data to look at when i get home
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[16:20] <Darkside> bahahah
[16:20] <Darkside> yes
[16:20] <Darkside> distance estimate from audio: 2875km
[16:20] <Darkside> great-circle distance: 2650km
[16:21] <Darkside> estimated ray distancce: 2854km
[16:21] <Darkside> yeeeeeeeeeeeeeahhhhhh
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[16:46] <cuddykid> did some name dropping in the BBC radio notts interview - including one for UKHAS :D
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[17:04] <SpeedEvil> Darkside: what are you doing with distance?
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[17:13] <eroomde> giggle
[17:14] <nick_> hi eroomde
[17:14] <eroomde> hi nick_
[17:15] <nick_> How do you fancy an unpaid consultancy job?
[17:15] <eroomde> my favourite!
[17:15] <eroomde> unfort i have to go to the pub now
[17:15] <nick_> :(
[17:15] <eroomde> work colleages standing by door shivvying me
[17:15] <eroomde> but pm it
[17:15] <eroomde> i will pick it up
[17:15] <eroomde> or go 4 drink 2moz ofcourse
[17:15] <eroomde> can come to the thingamie
[17:15] <eroomde> if the thingamie is thingamieing
[17:16] <eroomde> right gtg
[17:16] <nick_> I doubt I have much time for anything other than work this week :(
[17:16] <eroomde> pm it me
[17:16] <eroomde> gtg soz
[17:17] <nick_> OK
[17:20] <natrium42> iphone 5, zomgwtfbbq
[17:22] <natrium42> SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY
[17:23] <kokey> yeah I'm going to buy one anyway
[17:23] <kokey> that makes me an isheeple
[17:24] <Randomskk> is it announced?
[17:24] <Randomskk> what is it?
[17:24] <natrium42> http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/12/apple-iphone-5-liveblog/
[17:24] <natrium42> watching the live blog
[17:24] <kokey> iphone 5, being done now
[17:24] <Randomskk> why are my apple shares down
[17:24] <Randomskk> sigh
[17:24] <Randomskk> at work, can't watch liveblog
[17:24] <kokey> I'm following the telegraph live blog on it
[17:25] <natrium42> "New chip, the A6! 2X faster CPU and 2x graphics compared to the A5"
[17:25] <mattbrejza> apple complains android copies it, then copies the android handsets which have shown a bigger screen it better
[17:25] <natrium42> "It's a 326ppi Retina display, four-inches. 1136 x 640 resolution."
[17:25] <natrium42> anroid phones went to huge screens
[17:25] <natrium42> it's too big to be pocketable, IMO
[17:25] <kokey> nice one on the faster CPU
[17:25] <Randomskk> huge screens are pocketable tbh
[17:25] <Randomskk> I have a galaxy nexus, it's fine
[17:25] <natrium42> apple made a better decision
[17:25] <Randomskk> if you were a woman you already couldn't pocket the iphone 4
[17:26] <kokey> yeah and only the really big guys at work can operate the big android phones with just one hand
[17:26] <Randomskk> and if you're a guy you can still pocket the 5
[17:26] <Randomskk> so meh
[17:26] <Randomskk> kokey: rubbish, I can operate my galaxy nexus with one hand and it's as big as an s3 or something
[17:26] <Randomskk> the tabs maybe
[17:27] <kokey> I guess I'm going to have to leave O2
[17:27] <kokey> good thing my contract just ran out
[17:27] <natrium42> we need a hab app for ios/android
[17:27] <natrium42> maybe even with radio decoding?
[17:28] <Randomskk> well volunteered
[17:28] <natrium42> :D
[17:28] <Randomskk> though I think plans are afoot for both
[17:28] <Randomskk> mostly tracking
[17:28] <Randomskk> radio decoding is much harder
[17:28] <Randomskk> cool though
[17:28] <SpeedEvil> I have a nexus 7.
[17:28] <Randomskk> nexus 7 is pretty great too
[17:28] <SpeedEvil> it's pocketable
[17:28] <Randomskk> at a stretch
[17:28] <kokey> depends on your pocket
[17:28] <natrium42> Randomskk: it's just fourier transform
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[17:28] <Randomskk> natrium42: no it's not >_>
[17:28] <natrium42> what else?
[17:28] <kokey> friend of mine could pocket a sony discman
[17:29] <SpeedEvil> I wish there was a nice sane OS for n7
[17:29] <Randomskk> well a lot of the hard parts are everything around the fourier transform
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[17:29] <Randomskk> but rtty decoding is a lot harder anyway
[17:29] <SpeedEvil> even just KDE
[17:29] <Randomskk> or at least, doing it half well is
[17:29] <kokey> what language is fl-digi done in?
[17:29] <Randomskk> c++
[17:29] <kokey> c++?
[17:30] <Randomskk> fourier transforms alone typically give you pretty pants resolution at the sample speed you need for like 300bd data
[17:30] <natrium42> "It's an 8-megapixel, 3,264 x 2,448 backside-illuminated sensor, five-element lens and f/2.4 aperture. Same as the iPhone 4S but thinner"
[17:30] <Randomskk> looking for peaks in the response of a narrowband fir filter is way easier
[17:30] <natrium42> cool
[17:30] <Randomskk> and quicker and more reliable
[17:31] <Randomskk> but even then, timing extraction and synchronisation and then decoding the rtty and also just like writing a configuration gui
[17:31] <Randomskk> fldigi is a huge piece of software
[17:31] <Randomskk> and the dl- extensions aren't small
[17:31] <kokey> I guess quite a big deal to port then
[17:31] <Randomskk> awful. don't port it
[17:31] <Randomskk> just do rtty for balloons and do it better
[17:32] <Randomskk> there are cleverer ways of decoding rtty
[17:32] <natrium42> Randomskk: how is the quality of the code?
[17:32] <kokey> I suppose it depends on a mishmash of libs
[17:32] <Randomskk> natrium42: couldn't comment
[17:32] <Randomskk> kokey: of course. loads.
[17:32] <Randomskk> though most of the maths it does itself
[17:32] <Randomskk> seriously I wouldn't try porting it
[17:32] <Randomskk> the gui would be horrific if nothing else
[17:32] <natrium42> not the gui
[17:32] <Randomskk> if someone wants to write a radio decoding app for a phone then cool
[17:32] <kokey> there might be a commercial audio processing lib or two available out there
[17:33] <natrium42> perhaps one could cannibalize the decoder
[17:33] <Randomskk> but I'd start from scratch and use fldigi as a reference for how to decode the stuff possibly
[17:33] <Randomskk> kokey: that works on android? less likely
[17:33] <Randomskk> honestly you just want rtty decoding as well
[17:33] <Randomskk> there are ways of doing this
[17:33] <Randomskk> anyway I have to get back to actually doing the work I'm paid for :P
[17:33] <kokey> Randomskk: thinking of iOS mainly
[17:33] <natrium42> nice, built-in panoramas
[17:33] <natrium42> 28 megapixels
[17:33] <Randomskk> kokey: I'm not hugely sure one would exist there
[17:33] <Randomskk> natrium42: my phone has done built in panoramas for quite some time ;P
[17:34] <natrium42> good for it :P
[17:34] <Randomskk> :P
[17:34] <Randomskk> do they have video stabalisation yet? :P
[17:34] <Randomskk> I imagine you saw the new nokia thing
[17:34] <natrium42> rofl, they already had it for 4S
[17:35] <kokey> http://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/irtty
[17:35] <Randomskk> Your request produced an error.
[17:35] <Randomskk> [newNullResponse]
[17:35] <Randomskk> :|
[17:35] <Randomskk> that page isn't working for me
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[17:36] <natrium42> it detected that you own an android :P
[17:36] <Randomskk> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wolphi.rtty
[17:36] <Randomskk> looks neat but again nothing like configurable enough for our ballooning needs
[17:36] <kokey> ok http://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/irtty/id357007268?mt=8 thyen
[17:37] <Randomskk> looks neat but again nothing like configurable enough for our ballooning needs
[17:37] <Randomskk> (intentional repeat)
[17:37] <Randomskk> I'm not saying you can't do rtty on a phone, it's definitely doable, but making an app that does what we'd need in a hab tracker is not easy work (to do well, anyway)
[17:37] <Randomskk> definitely a cool thing though.
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[17:38] <natrium42> sweet, reversible connector
[17:39] <natrium42> plug the cable in any way :)
[17:39] <natrium42> does crapdroid have that, Randomskk? :P
[17:39] <DanielRichman> 17:32 < natrium42> Randomskk: how is the quality of the code?
[17:39] <DanielRichman> fldigi bad
[17:40] <natrium42> eek
[17:40] <DanielRichman> dl-fldigi pretty okay; it is ontop of bad but extra effort made to ensure that atleast our bits are thread safe, etc.
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[17:40] <DanielRichman> there's a git submodule in dl-fldigi called 'habitat-cpp-connector'
[17:40] <Randomskk> natrium42: no, my android uses an normal standard micro usb cable, of which I carry five and almost all my things use
[17:41] <Randomskk> it plugs in one clearly identified way >.>
[17:41] <DanielRichman> that thing is 99% clean except for one ugly to make windows builds work
[17:41] <DanielRichman> (at risk of plugging my own code :P)
[17:41] <Randomskk> I don't think anyone would disagree with you :P
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[17:42] <natrium42> there's a lot of crappy hab software out there
[17:42] <natrium42> at least fldigi is portable
[17:42] <Randomskk> yes
[17:42] <Randomskk> and open source
[17:42] <Randomskk> and actively maintained
[17:42] <Randomskk> and on git
[17:43] <Randomskk> it's definitely the best option
[17:43] <natrium42> :)
[17:43] <Randomskk> doesn't stop me daydreaming of the day I can write a proper rtty decoder
[17:44] <kokey> would be nice to have a portable device with fldigi on it
[17:44] <natrium42> RandomRTTY
[17:44] <kokey> Randomskk: yeah I am often tempted but I never find the time
[17:44] <Randomskk> indeed
[17:44] <Randomskk> most of my spare python development time goes to habitat really :P
[17:44] <Randomskk> and precious little enough of that :(
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[17:45] <kokey> I was busy writing some code for linux for FM broadcasting, stereo modulating, DSP, compression, that sort of thing
[17:45] <kokey> in C tho, but never found enough time
[17:46] <kokey> I also lose some interest when I think the number of people using it is going to be little
[17:46] <Randomskk> depends what you mean by little
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[17:46] <Randomskk> I dunno, I find once the number is beyond "my immediate circle of people I know" it stops mattering to me
[17:47] <Randomskk> stuff at work might be six digits, stuff like habitat might be three digits, stuff like small personal projects might be one random person on the internet somewhere
[17:47] <Randomskk> mostly all the same
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[17:47] <Randomskk> also even if it's just for me that's cool too :3
[17:48] <Randomskk> but writing one for android would require writing more java than I am entirely happy about
[17:48] <Randomskk> and iphone is way out, since I don't have one >_>
[17:48] <kokey> well if does affect the time I spend on things really
[17:48] <natrium42> Randomskk: you should come to silicon valley :)
[17:48] <Randomskk> natrium42: clearly :P
[17:49] <natrium42> do it :)
[17:49] <natrium42> everybody is here
[17:49] <kokey> normally the stuff I find really cool, are probably quite niche, but I usually think at least there's quite a few people in that niche
[17:49] <Randomskk> I'm definitely tempted. kinda sad the internship I was chatting about in santa cruz ended up falling through
[17:49] Action: natrium42 is recruiting *hint* *hint*
[17:49] <Randomskk> haha
[17:49] <Randomskk> yes i am being recruited left right & centre
[17:49] <Randomskk> I don't want a job yet :(
[17:49] <fsphil> it's the centre ones you have to watch out for
[17:50] <Randomskk> haha indeed
[17:50] <fsphil> if I ever go to silicon valley, it'll only be for a visit sadly :)
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[17:51] <natrium42> btw, no permissions required to launch balloons here :)
[17:51] <fsphil> sold! when can I move in? :)
[17:52] <natrium42> any time; dude, developers are treated like kings here
[17:52] <kokey> you're all in the US?
[17:52] <natrium42> you can come here and get a dozen of interviews for the week
[17:53] <natrium42> starting salary at larger companies is $120k
[17:54] <natrium42> but cost of living is high too
[17:54] <Randomskk> yea but then you're living and working in the USA
[17:54] <Randomskk> so I hear you like vacations
[17:54] <fsphil> there is that
[17:54] <natrium42> :P
[17:54] <Randomskk> and nationalised healthcare
[17:54] <fsphil> and that
[17:54] <natrium42> you get health insurance from the employer
[17:54] <Randomskk> all a tradeoff I guess
[17:54] <fsphil> and that horrible weather :p
[17:54] <Randomskk> haha
[17:55] <kokey> how about visas for non-US people?
[17:55] <natrium42> and for longer term care, could always go back
[17:55] <Randomskk> yes you're SOL if you like rain, none of that in CA :P
[17:55] <kokey> sounds about as hard as for the UK
[17:55] <natrium42> kokey: very doable, companies do it for you
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[17:55] <kokey> yeah but how do they get past the quota that is used up in 8 days of the year?
[17:55] <natrium42> some startups do unlimited vacations
[17:55] <natrium42> Randomskk: ^
[17:55] <Randomskk> kokey: different quota for different classes
[17:56] <Randomskk> natrium42: indeed. if I scored with github I'd consider :P
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[17:56] <Randomskk> but not really, they're hardcore ruby and I like a little python
[17:56] <Randomskk> but yes, there are lots that do that
[17:56] <Randomskk> and generally improve on the whole work/life balance ethic thing
[17:56] <kokey> from what I see the only way around the quotas is if you work for an office outside of the US first and then get transferred
[17:56] <kokey> or if you go work for a university, no quotas
[17:56] <Randomskk> kokey: I think it depends heavily on what class of visa you end up with
[17:56] <kokey> or research org tied to university
[17:57] <natrium42> visa is usually H1-B
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[17:58] <kokey> yeah H1-B subject to quotas, they run out quickly so it's a lottery you participate during a certain window once per year
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[17:58] <kokey> go ahead, I'm not british
[17:59] <Randomskk> hehe
[17:59] <natrium42> well, dental care is also usually included :P
[17:59] <Randomskk> haha nicely done
[17:59] <kokey> I don't think brits know what that is
[17:59] <natrium42> LOL
[18:00] <kokey> you might as well say a burger has a meat patty inside and that you visit people more than 100km away
[18:00] <fsphil> a meat what?
[18:01] <kokey> a patty, a bun and a patty
[18:02] <fsphil> oh, I just call the meat bit a burger
[18:02] <fsphil> which goes into a bap
[18:02] <kokey> oh and a barbeque isn't a form of a dinner party where the 10 minutes you spend grilling something on the stove is replaced with 10 minutes doing that on a bbq just as the guests arrive so they can sit down and eat shortly afterwards
[18:02] <Randomskk> yea, weirdos
[18:02] <Randomskk> or a bun
[18:03] <fsphil> a bun to me is a little cake :)
[18:03] <Randomskk> that too. it's context-sensitive.
[18:03] <kokey> oh and biscuits are not sweet, cookies are
[18:03] <Randomskk> weirdo
[18:03] <fsphil> buns: http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2775/4395704904_1eabb3560c_z.jpg
[18:03] <daveake> then there's jelly
[18:03] <Randomskk> biscuits and cookies are both sweet
[18:03] <Randomskk> sometimes
[18:04] <Randomskk> well cookies always I guess
[18:04] <fsphil> but yes, buns can also mean something else :)
[18:04] <Randomskk> biscuits can be covered in chocolate. nom
[18:04] <kokey> and skip is what you do when you are happy, not a dumpster
[18:04] <kokey> and you are not happy when you are pissed
[18:04] <fsphil> lol
[18:04] <daveake> I told some Americans to throw an old computer in the skip. I got blank looks back.
[18:05] <kokey> and cheers is when you cheers and not thank you
[18:05] <daveake> Had to explain. "Oh, you mean a dumster". For the rest of the trip they called me "Skippy"
[18:05] <kokey> it's ok, in south africa we have even weirder things
[18:05] <daveake> +p
[18:05] <kokey> like we call traffic lights 'robots'
[18:05] <fsphil> wasn't your fault they broke english daveake
[18:05] <daveake> nope
[18:05] <fsphil> robots.. I like that
[18:06] <fsphil> I got stopped by the robots going to work today
[18:06] <daveake> Jelly is jello; jam is jelly. I get confused
[18:06] <kokey> so at johannesburg airport, where you exit from the car hire parking, they have a security gate with a sign saying 'wait for the green robot'
[18:06] <kokey> I've been tempted to get a green robot suit and stand there
[18:06] <fsphil> lol
[18:06] <fsphil> has to be done
[18:06] <fsphil> or put a sticker of the android logo on it
[18:07] <kokey> another thing is that in south africa, a 5inch floppy is a floppy and a 3.5inch is a stiffy
[18:07] <fsphil> don't copy that stiffy?
[18:07] <BrainDamage> I doubt people would still know what a floppy is for long
[18:07] <kokey> imagine the perplexed look on the receptionist's face when the south african contractor asked her for a stiffy
[18:07] <BrainDamage> except that weird icon to save on many programs
[18:07] <daveake> or ask an American for a rubber
[18:08] <kokey> oh, and a boiler, the water heating kind, is a 'geyser'
[18:08] <fsphil> we got rid of our last floppy drive in the office a while back
[18:08] <natrium42> < fsphil> don't copy that stiffy?
[18:08] <natrium42> lol
[18:08] <kokey> some girl from zimbabwe was talking to her land lady in london, and say 'I've got a problem with my geyser' and the land lady was 'what? I am not your relationship consultant'
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[18:10] <fsphil> I do love language
[18:10] <gonzo_> an american refering to a fanny
[18:11] <kokey> bum a fag
[18:11] <gonzo_> hehe yep
[18:11] <natrium42> americans are meanies :( http://i.imgur.com/8hmSq.jpg
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[18:16] <Darkside> hmm
[18:16] <bertrik> I heard various parts of cars are different too
[18:16] Action: Darkside is working on a script to estimate the radio path between the russuan time signal and my receiver
[18:16] <bertrik> screen / shield, boot / trunk, bonnet / hood
[18:16] <Darkside> estimate its length, i shoudl say
[18:17] <bertrik> I hope I remember those correctly
[18:18] <BrainDamage> russian time signal? is it VLF?
[18:18] <Darkside> nah, their HF ones
[18:18] <Darkside> 9996
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[18:19] <Darkside> ithas a few different modes, one of them is a short pulse every second
[18:19] <Darkside> my receiver has a gps timestamp system, so i can prodice a data set starting at HH:MM:00
[18:19] <Darkside> produce*
[18:19] <Darkside> then look at when the timepulse arrives at the receiver
[18:21] <DrLuke> I'm kind of stumped right now.. GPGGA outputs only 2 places for the degrees, but what if you're for example at 170° east?
[18:21] <Darkside> it outputs 3 for longitude
[18:21] <Darkside> 2 for latitude
[18:22] <DrLuke> oh, duh... thanks!
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[18:55] <Hix> is there anything lke a USB [port] version of a 70cm RX?
[18:55] <Darkside> funcube dongle
[18:55] <Hix> something that cold be hooked up to my server at home so I could track whilst away?
[18:56] <Hix> ah ok, cheers Darkside
[18:56] <Darkside> yes
[18:56] <Hix> costly?
[18:56] <Darkside> that, or an rtl-sdr dongle with a habamp in front of it
[18:56] <Darkside> rtl-sdr is cheaper
[18:56] <fsphil> you may end up needing habamp anyway
[18:56] <fsphil> with the funcube dongle
[18:57] <DrLuke> I'd recommend rtlsdr
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[18:58] <Hix> any decent links? google shopping threw 3....
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[19:02] Action: Hix is feeling guilty now...
[19:03] <Hix> not here I'm not
[19:03] <fsphil> you stealing from children again? :)
[19:03] <Upu> hix http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=71_63&product_id=70
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[19:05] <Hix> fsphil: I'm depriving a landlord of a living by trying to code for the thrird night on the trot. 5+ hours a night after work is taking its toll /me feels a beer coming on.....
[19:05] <Hix> Upu: sweet
[19:05] <fsphil> I've heard about this "beer" stuff. sounds too good to be true
[19:05] <Hix> some prefer it ginger i see
[19:06] <daveake> though with the 7-8 hours run time I'm expecting, that would have to be a slooow launch :)
[19:06] <daveake> ignore that wrong window
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[19:08] <Hix> Upu: does it need special software for 70cm?
[19:08] <Upu> not at all
[19:08] <Upu> decent antenna is useful
[19:09] <Hix> got LPRS Yagi
[19:09] <Hix> it picks up flights from sitting on my bed....
[19:09] <Hix> though obviously mounting it up on a roof would be infinitely better
[19:10] <Hix> so what do you use forthe tuning?
[19:11] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:sdr_tracker
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[19:13] <Hix> kewl
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[19:31] <bertrik> We tried rtlsdr last night on a balloon transmitter and it worked, although we had some trouble with a fast frequency "wobble" on the signal
[19:32] <bertrik> BTW, that wiki page mentions a virtual audio cable, it wasn't needed if you use the "stereo mix" feature
[19:32] <Upu> if you have that feature
[19:32] <Upu> please add it to the wiki
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[19:43] <w1amj> GA all!
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[19:47] <W1AMJ> Is there any high altitude balloons presently transmitting?
[19:47] <W1AMJ> I can listn from my station in Prospect CT FN31mm
[19:48] <Darkside> i dont think so
[19:49] <W1AMJ> Okay. I just saw a post from Wisconsin about a balloon whose telemetry was lost yesterday at 70K feet, frequency 10.145 MHz. Not sure if anyone is still actively listening.
[19:51] <fsphil> that's been missing for a few days now, pretty slim odds that its still floating
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[19:56] <W1AMJ> Okay. It is posted on QRZ.com. Tnx for info.
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[20:00] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[20:55] <eroomde> anyone having a night in with the tv, on bbc4 is about to start a documentary about skylon, which I work on
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander_> cool
[20:55] <SpeedEvil> I never watch live TV anymore
[20:55] <SpeedEvil> the whole licence thing
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[20:56] <SpeedEvil> are you on it?
[20:57] <eroomde> dont think so no
[20:57] <eroomde> tis mostly alan and richard and john
[20:58] <jcoxon> evening all
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[21:02] <Upu> evening
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[21:04] <russss> thanks for the reminder eroomde
[21:06] <eroomde> np
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[21:08] <eroomde> lots of archival footage of alan
[21:09] <eroomde> they've obviously been doing this for a while
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander_> hi Upu
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander_> I thought about if using tinyGPS is worth it?
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[21:21] <treeherder> Lunar_Lander_: tinygps sucks
[21:21] <Randomskk> tinygps is fine...
[21:21] <eroomde> compromise
[21:21] <treeherder> just use software serial and roll up a aparser
[21:21] <treeherder> sdave a bunch of overhead
[21:21] <eroomde> tiny gps is (sucky + fine)/2
[21:22] <fsphil> it does the job
[21:22] <treeherder> not in my experience
[21:22] <treeherder> and it's far from "tiny"
[21:22] <Darkside> its not small
[21:22] <Darkside> but it does work
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[21:23] <Darkside> at least, it works well with the PUBX strings i poll from ublox modules
[21:23] <Darkside> never actually used it with normal NMEA data :-)
[21:23] <Darkside> tbh i should be ditching NMEA altogether and using the UBX binary protocol
[21:23] <Darkside> since thats apparently easy to parse
[21:23] <Randomskk> writing your own reliable NMEA parser is almost always a stupid idea
[21:23] <jonsowman> indeed t'is
[21:23] <treeherder> nmea is super easy to parse
[21:23] <treeherder> it's all comma-separated values
[21:23] <Randomskk> not reliably and accurately
[21:24] <Randomskk> yes, but it's also DDMM.SSSS GPS data and a string
[21:24] <jonsowman> treeherder: the binary protocol is orders of magnitude easier
[21:24] <Randomskk> the sheer quantity of HAB flights with errors in NMEA parsing speak for how nontrivial it can be
[21:24] <Randomskk> it's not /hard/, it's readily possible to make a reliable parser, but people assume it's easy and get it wrong
[21:24] <Darkside> the binary protocol is just little endian longs isn't it?
[21:24] <Darkside> for the most part
[21:24] <Randomskk> yea. the binary protocol for ublox is the way to go.
[21:24] <jonsowman> Darkside: mostly
[21:24] <Darkside> some interget values for other things
[21:24] <Lunar_Lander__> were you discussing TinyGPS Darkside jonsowman Randomskk ?
[21:24] <Lunar_Lander__> as I got kicked out
[21:25] <jonsowman> Lunar_Lander__: no, just NMEA
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[21:25] <Lunar_Lander__> ah
[21:25] <treeherder> Lunar_Lander_: i was saying it's easier and less space intensive to roll your own parser
[21:25] <treeherder> and simply use software serial
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[21:25] <treeherder> and they all disagreed
[21:25] <Darkside> treeherder: using software serial for async receive?
[21:25] <treeherder> i just rolled something up for hix
[21:25] <treeherder> i can show you
[21:25] <Darkside> i guess you could block for a while
[21:25] <Darkside> but it means.. you block for a while
[21:26] <treeherder> http://codepad.org/kRh2tLCZ
[21:26] <treeherder> sorry it's not exactly stremalined
[21:26] <treeherder> streamlined*
[21:26] <treeherder> i was stoned out of my gourd
[21:27] <treeherder> i dunno whta the "ferret" thing is about
[21:27] <Darkside> uhm
[21:27] <Darkside> and
[21:27] <treeherder> i just married some gps parsing code with something hix gave me
[21:27] <jonsowman> that's from the CUSF Ferret code
[21:27] <Randomskk> hahaha
[21:27] <Randomskk> oh god jonsowman
[21:27] <Randomskk> I warned you
[21:27] <treeherder> it's for the radio modem i think
[21:27] <Darkside> are you even converting the fields
[21:27] <jonsowman> :(
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[21:27] <Darkside> i see lat as a float
[21:28] <Darkside> but find_field doesn't parse it as a float
[21:28] <Randomskk> yea it doesn't look like it's turning them to dd.dddd at all
[21:28] <eroomde> that's a wind tunnel
[21:28] <Randomskk> though habitat does allow ddmm.ssss it's just annoying
[21:28] <Darkside> wait
[21:28] <Darkside> find_field is void
[21:28] <jonsowman> sorry eroomde?
[21:28] <Darkside> it returns void
[21:28] <Lunar_Lander_> that router like makes me angry!
[21:28] <Randomskk> Darkside: takes a char* buffer, clearly
[21:28] <Randomskk> hmmm
[21:28] <Randomskk> but yes
[21:28] <Darkside> but lat = find_field(field, 2); // number
[21:28] <Randomskk> does assign things
[21:28] <Randomskk> that's interesting
[21:28] <Darkside> that doesn't work
[21:28] <Randomskk> indeed
[21:28] <Randomskk> you're quite right, that does nothing
[21:29] <Darkside> that code will not work
[21:29] <jonsowman> compiler should complain
[21:29] <Darkside> at all
[21:29] <jonsowman> might compile?
[21:29] <Randomskk> I think this code is a great example of a) why you shouldn't write code while stoned b) why you shouldn't write your own NMEA parser
[21:29] <treeherder> psh it's running right nowon my arduino
[21:29] <jonsowman> but yes it won't work
[21:29] <Randomskk> treeherder: rreeeeallly?
[21:29] <Randomskk> that exact code?
[21:29] <jonsowman> also maybe test it before giving it out to people
[21:29] <Randomskk> is working?
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[21:29] <treeherder> no not this current exact code
[21:29] <jonsowman> well then
[21:29] <Darkside> that code will not work
[21:29] <Darkside> its missing a heap of stuff
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[21:30] <Darkside> like, any conversions
[21:30] <Darkside> at all
[21:30] <eroomde> ok the sabre engine stuff now on bbc4
[21:30] <jonsowman> eroomde: oh i see
[21:30] <Lunar_Lander_> that router like makes me angry!
[21:30] <jonsowman> yes i'm recording that
[21:30] <eroomde> people pointlessly wiggling some plumbing
[21:31] <fsphil> lol
[21:31] <eroomde> <3 TV crews
[21:31] <fsphil> "acting"
[21:31] <Lunar_Lander_> so was my question on ublox + TinyGPS discussed above?
[21:31] <Lunar_Lander_> as I was kicked again
[21:31] <Randomskk> yea use tinygps
[21:31] <eroomde> Lunar_Lander_: check the logs
[21:31] <Lunar_Lander_> OK
[21:31] <eroomde> stop spamming the channel
[21:31] <Lunar_Lander_> ok
[21:32] <Darkside> Lunar_Lander_: you'll have more than enough space to fit it in
[21:32] <Darkside> so just use it
[21:32] <treeherder> the only thing that's different is http://codepad.org/HrNC6xnU
[21:32] <Lunar_Lander_> ok
[21:32] <Lunar_Lander_> Darkside, do you have your code up somewhere btw?
[21:32] <Darkside> the tinygps library on the ukhas wiki works fine
[21:32] <Darkside> Lunar_Lander_: no
[21:32] <Lunar_Lander_> ah, I tried it with arduino 1.0
[21:32] <Darkside> Lunar_Lander_: oh
[21:32] <Lunar_Lander_> it complains about a number of things :(
[21:32] <Darkside> it didn't work?
[21:32] <Darkside> right
[21:32] <Darkside> i'll upload my copy, which should work on arduino 1.0
[21:32] <Darkside> not sure if anything has changed in 1.0.1
[21:32] <Lunar_Lander_> thanks :)
[21:32] <Lunar_Lander_> ah I got both
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[21:33] <Lunar_Lander_> mostly I use 1.0 as 1.0.1 is in german for me and I spend some time to find the functions that had been in english
[21:33] <Lunar_Lander_> so I still use 1.0
[21:33] <treeherder> that lastpaste is the version am running
[21:33] <treeherder> i was trying to show hix how to convert the principle to his application
[21:34] <Darkside> Lunar_Lander_: http://pipe2.darklomax.org/dump/TinyGPS.zip
[21:34] <treeherder> wasn't trying to pass off shit code as a a job well done, im sorry,
[21:34] <Lunar_Lander_> thanks!
[21:34] Action: treeherder cries himself to sleep
[21:34] <Darkside> treeherder: that isn't even converting the data to the right format for a UKHAS compatible sentence
[21:35] <treeherder> i don't veen know what ukhas is... i was just putting the phrases into a sprtinf for him
[21:35] <Darkside> well
[21:35] <Darkside> not dd.dddd anyway
[21:35] <Darkside> NMEA is DDMM.MMMM
[21:35] <Lunar_Lander_> can I ask in short what exactly was modified in the UKHAS version to the original version?
[21:35] <Darkside> maybe one extra M in there, whoops
[21:35] <Randomskk> treeherder: okay, that looks like it'd work, but it's not really parsing the nmea
[21:35] <jcoxon> pah habitat can just accept a GPGGA string :-p
[21:35] <Randomskk> just splitting it out by comma
[21:35] <Darkside> Lunar_Lander_: added the ability to parse PUBX sentences
[21:35] <Lunar_Lander_> ah
[21:35] <treeherder> what do you think parse means
[21:35] <treeherder> or maybe i am confused about what it means
[21:35] <Randomskk> treeherder: interpret to a useful format
[21:35] <Lunar_Lander_> so we can use the PUBX mode instead of NMEA?
[21:35] <Darkside> Lunar_Lander_: yes, what you do is turn off all the NMEA strings
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander_> thanks
[21:36] <Darkside> and just poll for PUBX strings
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander_> yeah I did that before
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander_> yeah
[21:36] <Darkside> i think theres stuff on the wiki for that
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[21:36] <Lunar_Lander_> without tinyGPS of course
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander_> thanks
[21:36] <Darkside> but eyah, you can feed tinyGPS with the PUBX strings
[21:36] <Darkside> and it'll give you the data you want
[21:36] <Darkside> very easy to do
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander_> ok
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander_> the article on the FSA03 GPS it is I think
[21:36] <treeherder> parse means to take it apart into it's components and lable them as they are import syntactically
[21:36] <treeherder> important
[21:36] <Darkside> Lunar_Lander_: yah
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander_> Polling the module
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander_> there it is
[21:37] <treeherder> sorry for crazy apostrophes, etc
[21:37] <treeherder> grats, Lunar_Lander_
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander_> thanks
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander_> Darkside, are you planning to do a writeup on Millinut in england?
[21:37] <Darkside> Lunar_Lander_: eventually
[21:37] <Darkside> dunno when it'll happen
[21:37] <Darkside> maybe this weekend
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander_> cool
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[21:49] <_Hix-Android> Jonsowman do you run zeusbot?
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[21:53] <jonsowman> _Hix-Android: i can convince him to do some things
[21:53] <jonsowman> why?
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[22:03] <eroomde> russss: what did you think?
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[22:04] <russss> pretty good, although whoever was finding the stock footage clearly got exceedingly excited when told to get lots of videos of rockets
[22:05] <eroomde> :)
[22:05] <eroomde> there was a lot of stock in there
[22:05] <eroomde> it sort of got as far as 2005
[22:05] <eroomde> then a quick 'oh yay precooler works'
[22:06] <eroomde> but it's now a bit more than an alan bond glorified garden shed project
[22:06] <fsphil> he must have had a great shed
[22:06] <eroomde> REL employs about 50 people and there's a new CEO and separate board
[22:07] <eroomde> which i think is a good thing because alan doing payroll is not a good use of an alan
[22:07] <eroomde> especially as there is not unlimited alan
[22:08] <fsphil> the film crew do seem to have been stalking him for a while
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[22:09] <eroomde> yeah!
[22:09] <eroomde> since childhood
[22:09] <fsphil> had a giggle at the zx spectrum
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[22:10] <eroomde> the photo-realistic hotol landing sim
[22:10] <eroomde> blip...blip...blip...blipblipblip...blip
[22:10] <fsphil> that reminded me of the game Frontier
[22:10] <eroomde> alan still writes everything in basic
[22:11] <eroomde> it's what he knows and no one will come along and get in his way
[22:11] <eroomde> no one
[22:11] <fsphil> well that makes me feel a bit better
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[22:17] <eroomde> ttfn
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[22:32] <eroomde> cuddykid
[22:32] <eroomde> http://i.imgur.com/Fnn2j.jpg
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