highaltitude.log.20120911

[00:02] <ka9szx> Drop him an email with as much detail as you can and he will probably see it.
[00:03] <EarthBreeze> yeah
[00:03] <ka9szx> I am sure you probably have more information than I do so it might be best to come from you.
[00:04] <EarthBreeze> we did a flight profile as if the bag ruptured and it flew a complete standard flight with that slow rise and pop at 110K feet it would have landed near Aurora.
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[00:05] <ka9szx> Have him run an overnight float and then one till say 1 PM pop and see what it gets.
[00:05] <EarthBreeze> true
[00:05] <justinatomatic> So anybody recommend a parachute supplier?
[00:06] <ka9szx> I can't
[00:06] <ka9szx> Joe, will check back in later tonight with you, Dinner bell is ringing.
[00:06] <EarthBreeze> they arent hard to make and you can do it for 10% the cost.
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[00:07] <EarthBreeze> chickens ready here too, be back ohhh a little after 02:00Z
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[00:08] <KC8UCH> any news at all?
[00:08] <justinatomatic> Time and a lack of sewing skills are leading me to purchase them.
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[00:28] <justinatomatic> So do all the uk balloons fly on home made parachutes then? (I realise is not the best time for this question)
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[00:35] <Lunar_Lander> no, search for Spherchutes on google
[00:36] <Lunar_Lander> *spherachutes
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[01:58] <griffonbot> Received email: PhilipM "Re: [UKHAS] Re: I2C arduino wire library mod success!!!"
[02:02] <EarthBreeze> I'm Back
[02:09] <WJ9H> Hi Joe
[02:10] <WJ9H> Nothing heard here for the last 10 minutes. I keep checking in hopes that it will come back to life eventually.
[02:10] <EarthBreeze> same here
[02:10] <WJ9H> So what would you do differently if there's a "next time?"
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[02:12] <EarthBreeze> been thinking,,, the theroy seems there, but both times no proof yet. Maybe next time a daytime flight with video so we can watch?
[02:14] <EarthBreeze> some way to keep it warm at night, and yet to allow warm in during the day...
[02:15] <EarthBreeze> still there?
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[02:27] <[a]Train> did your batteries freeze?
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[02:30] <ke5rhe> anyone in here?
[02:31] <WJ9H> I'm still here but distracted!
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[02:32] <ke5rhe> I was curious if anyone knows about the earth breeze flight. I was monitoring last night but my antenna is not ideal and It was getting quiet.
[02:33] <WJ9H> I'm amazed you were able to keep the payload under 1 lb as it is. Depending on your power budget, maybe switch on a 20 ohm wirewound resistor for some heat when temps drop below a certain level.
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[02:34] <ka9szx> Back from the Ponderosa.
[02:34] <KC8UCH> any verified reception reports since last night?
[02:35] <WJ9H> For Earthbreeze? No.
[02:35] <KC8UCH> yes, for e.b... that stinks...
[02:35] <ka9szx> It needed a secondary beacon.
[02:36] <ke5rhe> so what is the assumption?
[02:37] <WJ9H> Joe was in here earlier, but the current assumption is that it's parked upstairs but the batteries are frozen. There's a vigil on 10.145 hoping that it wakes back up.
[02:37] <ka9szx> Joe is hoping that the balloon pops and the package lands and comes back to life.
[02:37] <ke5rhe> ok.
[02:38] <ke5rhe> I will continue to listen now and then.
[02:38] <[a]Train> how high is it that it is just hanging there?
[02:39] <WJ9H> I think Joe estimated 22 km altitude, about 72,000 ft.
[02:40] <[a]Train> Sorry, I am pretty new to this, but it can just stay at that altitude?
[02:40] <KC8UCH> after losing many of my superpressure payloads under similar circumstances, i would say that it is likely on the ground already... hope i'm wrong and it's still aloft, though!
[02:40] <ke5rhe> aTrain, check out the webiste. There is a really good explanation about how it worked.
[02:40] <WJ9H> The NSS Earthbreeze design had a ballast balloon to keep the lift balloon below burst altitude.
[02:41] <[a]Train> ok
[02:41] <[a]Train> ww.ukhas.org.uk?
[02:41] <WJ9H> www.qsl.net/nss
[02:42] <[a]Train> I just launched my first balloon. I had no idea there was so many people who did this. I winged most of it.
[02:43] <WJ9H> Welcome to the club!
[02:43] <[a]Train> yeah, its pretty cool there are so many of you.
[02:43] <[a]Train> are most of you from the UK?
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[02:43] <N9QIP_> Joe are you here?
[02:43] <WJ9H> That I don't know, looks like a lot of UK traffic but we're in the US.
[02:44] <N9QIP_> Hi Tom
[02:44] <N9QIP_> Do you know if Joe is about?
[02:44] <WJ9H> Hi Len, nothing heard here since last night. Joe was in here about a half hour ago and it still shows him logged in.
[02:45] <ka9szx> Joe was hoping someone would hear it if the band conditions are right.
[02:45] <KC8UCH> u.s. here, too
[02:45] <[a]Train> My balloon got to 99711 feet, I was hoping for 80k.
[02:46] <WJ9H> Nice, what did you use for a downlink?
[02:46] <[a]Train> Well i don't have a license, so a friend of mine had to be there to track it with APRS.
[02:47] <KC8UCH> best of luck with the vigil, guys... 73, robert
[02:47] <WJ9H> I think most ham flights use APRS, although the one we're tracking didn't.
[02:47] <N9QIP_> Well Tom, I am still hearing the Balloon here on my 80M Double Bazooka. CW is crap but RTTY is good copy.
[02:47] <WJ9H> Really??! Did you get a position?
[02:48] <N9QIP_> Very regular times right with UTC
[02:48] <N9QIP_> I have nothing to decode the RTTY...nothing! :-(
[02:49] <N9QIP_> 2-minutes to next beacon RTTY
[02:49] <KC8UCH> can you record?? there is an android rtty app that works okay
[02:49] <N9QIP_> My buddy in Michigan City Indiana was hearing it also .
[02:50] <N9QIP_> Only App is a paid $5.??
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[02:50] <N9QIP_> just beaconed
[02:50] <N9QIP_> pretty clear too.
[02:51] <WJ9H> I'm trying to find the download link for dl-fldigi, the decode program.
[02:52] <N9QIP_> I will try to record next beacon and send to anyone that wants to try to decode it.
[02:52] <KC8UCH> if you can record, please send to me at rochte -at- gmail -dot- com
[02:53] <WJ9H> Ditto to WJ9H -at- arrl.net
[02:54] <[a]Train> Here was my flight path http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=6&ts=1346544000&te=1346630400&call=a%2FN0ZX-11
[02:54] <N9QIP_> How about a text attachment
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[02:55] <WJ9H> Len, the download link is https://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi/downloads - there are 4 links but only one is Windows.
[02:56] <WJ9H> Send it however you can.
[02:57] <KC8UCH> QIP - if you can send recording, please do so. i will try to process and then decode in the morning. 73 for now... -robert
[02:59] <WJ9H> If you're hearing it Len, I assume we're coming up on another RTTY beacon at the top of the hour.
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[03:02] <ka9szx> I fired up my radio here will listen for a while. When is the next transmission?
[03:02] <WJ9H> I'm only hearing an occasional transmission of what looks like 7 modulated carriers but can't recognize the data format.
[03:03] <WJ9H> It's supposed to alternate every 5 minutes between CW and RTTY. CW would be next at 0305z.
[03:03] <ka9szx> It may not be the balloon.
[03:03] <WJ9H> Yeah, what I'm hearing is not the balloon.
[03:03] <ka9szx> Will see if I hear it.
[03:04] <WJ9H> ...and it doesn't follow the 5 minute pattern.
[03:04] <ka9szx> W9QIP, Where are you at?
[03:12] <WJ9H> I need to QRT folks, good night.
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[03:21] <W9EWW> Good luck to Earthbreeze the machine & if it's findable N9QIP will find it. ;-) Good night.
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[03:23] <N9QIP_> The CW is very crappy. warble +++++ but the RTTY is fairly clean.
[03:23] <ka9szx> Not hearing it here in Macomb, IL
[03:24] <N9QIP_> I lost the sig again... arg!
[03:27] <ka9szx> I need to pull the plug here, very sleepy. Hope you get enough to record and determine if it is the balloon and it's location.
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[03:29] <N9QIP_> My buddy in Indiana just sent me some CW which we beleive to be be from the balloon. but so darn much noise on the recording.
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[03:30] <N9QIP_> I find it hard to beleive that nobody else is picking it up...Indiana, Kentucky, Tennesee, ????
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[06:20] <justinatomatic> so is http://habitat.habhub.org/ the backend for http://spacenear.us/ or are they different?
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[06:39] <jcoxon> sounds like someone heard earthbreeze last night
[06:39] <jcoxon> according to the logs
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[06:39] <fsphil> iffy on that, they where not able to decode anything from it or make a recording
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[06:40] <nosebleedkt> hello everybody
[06:41] <fsphil> morning nosebleedkt
[06:41] <nosebleedkt> whats up ?
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[06:55] <griffonbot> Received email: Mervyn Huggett "Re: [UKHAS] UKHASer on io9"
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[07:38] <UpuWork> yes justinatomatic Habitat is the back end for spacenear.us
[07:38] <UpuWork> morning
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[07:51] <UpuWork> ping radim_OM2AMR
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[07:54] <radim_OM2AMR> Upu morning
[07:54] <UpuWork> hey radim_OM2AMR
[07:54] <UpuWork> I need to clear the tracker down have you got all your screen shots etc ?
[07:55] <radim_OM2AMR> Yes, you can do it ;-)
[07:55] <UpuWork> ta
[07:56] <radim_OM2AMR> we are preparing for the next previously unplanned flight STS-2 this week& our payload will be guest payload in slovak national TV project
[07:56] <UpuWork> make sure they pay you :)
[07:57] <radim_OM2AMR> :-) I hope that it will cover fuel to my car
[07:57] <radim_OM2AMR> or Hydrogen for the next flight ;-)
[07:58] <UpuWork> chasing altitude records can get expensive :)
[07:58] <radim_OM2AMR> :-D
[07:59] <radim_OM2AMR> they lost their first payload with two gopros cams in 4.5 km during the last attempt
[08:00] <UpuWork> should have come to the expert first :)
[08:00] <radim_OM2AMR> I'm not feeling like expert, but have a lot of valuable knowledge from UKHAS ;-)
[08:01] <MrScienceMan> anyone here by the name of adam ?
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[08:06] <griffonbot> Received email: Rick Hewett "[UKHAS] Re: Launch this Saturday 8th - Bello Mondo-11"
[08:07] <cuddykid> morning
[08:07] <cuddykid> MrScienceMan: that may be me
[08:09] <daveake> Morning cuddykid. I see you're famous now :-)
[08:09] <UpuWork> morning cuddykid
[08:09] <MrScienceMan> study at nottingham ?
[08:09] <UpuWork> amusingly more media coverage than Space Art
[08:09] <daveake> Let's just say that my ribs were tickled by the fact that you've got far more media attention than a certain other person managed after trying his best :D
[08:09] <cuddykid> g'day - about to go on aussie radio again
[08:10] <UpuWork> haha
[08:10] <daveake> UpuWork snap
[08:10] <cuddykid> lol
[08:10] <UpuWork> great minds ? :)
[08:10] <cuddykid> I don't actually understand why it's gone so mad
[08:10] <daveake> fools never differ
[08:10] <daveake> That's the best bit
[08:10] <UpuWork> ah that one
[08:10] <cuddykid> MrScienceMan: yep
[08:10] <UpuWork> cuddykid Rob Harrison had this
[08:10] <UpuWork> the media syndicates get it
[08:10] <UpuWork> and it sort of escalates out
[08:10] <cuddykid> yeah, I remember seeing all the coverage
[08:11] <UpuWork> Rob had CNN on his door step
[08:11] <cuddykid> got an intern offer yesterday
[08:11] <UpuWork> where ?
[08:11] <cuddykid> http://www.ecolutions.de/
[08:11] <UpuWork> doesn't an intern mean you have to perform sexual favours on the president ?
[08:11] <MrScienceMan> cuddykid: well, they've got an article about you in on a website overhere
[08:11] <cuddykid> not sure how that ties into HAB.. lol
[08:11] <cuddykid> haha UpuWork
[08:12] <cuddykid> MrScienceMan: oh cool! Where abouts are you?
[08:12] <daveake> Well if he can blow up a balloon ....
[08:12] <UpuWork> lol
[08:12] <cuddykid> no daveake
[08:12] <cuddykid> lol
[08:13] <cuddykid> not sure whether it's gone on CNN yet
[08:13] <MrScienceMan> somebody just needs to tip them off
[08:13] <daveake> I shall have to be content with The Reg yoday then :D
[08:14] <daveake> today
[08:14] <UpuWork> yeah at least they are "tame" and don't make stuff up and actually print what we ask them
[08:14] <cuddykid> MrScienceMan: had a Skype interview with them yesterday
[08:14] <daveake> Indeed UpuWork
[08:14] <MrScienceMan> oh
[08:14] <cuddykid> they were going to compile something
[08:14] <daveake> BBC very good too
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[08:16] <MrScienceMan> brace for long url
[08:16] <MrScienceMan> http://www.obekti.bg/dnes/3-kosmos/4742-19-%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%88%D0%BD%D0%BE-%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%BC%D1%87%D0%B5-%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B8-%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B6%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BD%D0%B8-%D1%81%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BA%D0%B8-%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D0%97%D0%B5%D0%BC%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%B0#articleFocus
[08:18] <cuddykid> ahh cool
[08:18] <MrScienceMan> your photos?
[08:18] <cuddykid> yep
[08:18] <cuddykid> bb in 10 - radio calls
[08:18] <MrScienceMan> i wonder how they picked up on that
[08:19] <MrScienceMan> you must be featured somewhere on the net
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[09:00] <cuddykid> done
[09:02] <daveake> You should offer your services to a certain someone on "how to be famous"
[09:02] <cuddykid> lol - he text me this morning
[09:03] <cuddykid> saying he saw the article in telegraph
[09:03] <daveake> Rule 1: Do something impressive yourself, rather than getting someone else to do it for you
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[09:05] <cuddykid> Im in no way related to Brian Cox despite the fact that we would make an awesome team in the astrology field.
[09:05] <cuddykid> ^should be in quotes
[09:06] <daveake> Eh? He said that???
[09:06] <cuddykid> http://www.joshingtalk.com/collaborate-with-me
[09:06] <cuddykid> gem
[09:07] <UpuWork> what an enormous cock
[09:07] <daveake> FFS
[09:07] <UpuWork> http://www.joshingtalk.com/sponsor-support-my-projects
[09:07] <daveake> Oh he really needs bringing down to earth
[09:07] <daveake> We should release the Ed
[09:08] <cuddykid> pinging eroomde
[09:08] <x-f> astrology?
[09:09] <eroomde> it's just too much
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[09:09] <daveake> Needs some translation
[09:09] <daveake> "Get involved with" means "do for me"
[09:09] <daveake> etc
[09:10] <number10> must have: All of the above plus a framed project picture signed by Josh Taylor. £50
[09:10] <eroomde> at least all of his blog posts, apart from the one i christened by telling him he is a waste of space, have zero comments
[09:11] <daveake> UpuWork How much do we have in the coffers? Cos at the conference we could have ....
[09:11] <daveake> "All of the above plus Josh Taylor will speak at an event of your choice. "
[09:11] <daveake> for a mere £650
[09:11] <eroomde> can you imagine?
[09:11] <daveake> I can imagine the blood
[09:12] <eroomde> he's as eloquent has my toaster and has about as much to say as the bread I put into it
[09:12] <daveake> He has an "Altruistic Package"
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[09:12] <daveake> Now, if it allows a gift of 1p, and I get to add a comment ....
[09:13] <cuddykid> :P
[09:13] <MrScienceMan> sure, send him to conf in some conflict area of the world
[09:13] <eroomde> honestly adam
[09:14] <eroomde> he was not worth it
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[09:18] <fsphil> hehe, astrology
[09:19] <fsphil> brian cox's evil twin
[09:20] <daveake> "I have billions and billions and billions of stupid ideas of things for others to do so I can get the credit"
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[09:22] <eroomde> i watched some of his videos yesterday of him being interviewed by itv-local and so on
[09:23] <eroomde> it was a bit like that hate-hour things in 1984 where people were deliberately riled up by propaganda in order to be more easily manipulated by the state
[09:23] <eroomde> except self-administered
[09:23] <eroomde> anyway
[09:23] <eroomde> he gives absolutely no one else credit during the interviews, the best you get is a 'we'. 'we found it here' was the sole mentioned anthony got for tmsb
[09:24] <craag> I did notice that he offers his services on helping with Wordpress, and then a few days ago on his twitter he mentions a Wordpress design company helped him out with his website. I smell a middle-man.
[09:25] <daveake> That's the way he works
[09:27] <Darkside> oh wow
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[09:30] <daveake> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/11/hab_ashes/
[09:30] <eroomde> i already know it will be good from the title
[09:32] <Darkside> o lawd
[09:32] <daveake> It is funny :)
[09:34] <Darkside> oh god
[09:34] <Darkside> the pic of me drinking the ginger beer
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[09:34] <Darkside> Apparently, the brew contains "no artificial colours or flavours". It also contains no alcohol whatsoever, meaning that despite its "superior taste", it won't be making the list of approved LOHAN beverages. ®
[09:34] <Darkside> bahahaha
[09:34] <eroomde> i don;t know if cockey rhyming slang is a thing in australia
[09:35] <eroomde> cockney*
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[09:35] <eroomde> wow that pic though Darkside k
[09:36] <Darkside> ?
[09:36] <eroomde> it looked like you're gently vomiting back into the bottle
[09:36] <griffonbot> @daveake: CLOUD7 vs HORUS28 flight covered in The Register http://t.co/2gbhYsK6 #UKHAS #theregister [http://twitter.com/daveake/status/245455683175190528]
[09:36] <eroomde> looks*
[09:36] <Darkside> lol
[09:36] <Darkside> its a bad pic
[09:36] <eroomde> http://regmedia.co.uk/2012/09/11/mark_beer.jpg
[09:36] <eroomde> that should be your new default mug-shot
[09:36] <Darkside> lol
[09:36] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: RT @daveake: CLOUD7 vs HORUS28 flight covered in The Register http://t.co/2gbhYsK6 #UKHAS #theregister [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/245455849798115329]
[09:36] <eroomde> at the conference we should have some pics of the speakers
[09:36] <Laurenceb> looks like the flow is in the wrong direction
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[10:01] <UpuWork> lol [10:34] <Darkside> the pic of me drinking the ginger beer
[10:02] <fsphil> so, best of 2? :)
[10:02] <fsphil> 3*
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[10:05] <eroomde> new iphone tomorrow
[10:05] <craag> Does anyone have the link for that $159 pico-camera?
[10:05] <eroomde> i will temporarily be a fanboi
[10:06] <eroomde> total fail
[10:06] <eroomde> but worth a shot :)
[10:06] <UpuWork> lol
[10:06] <cuddykid> another request - this time for 'sunrise' (Australian breakfast show)
[10:06] <cuddykid> madness
[10:06] <Darkside> lawd
[10:06] <fsphil> you'd think nobody ever launched in .au
[10:06] <eroomde> 'what the heck is that white stuff in the pictures edem?'
[10:06] <Darkside> yeah fsphil
[10:06] <eroomde> 'clouds'
[10:07] <Laurenceb> omg omg
[10:07] <Laurenceb> new iphone
[10:07] <Darkside> we'vebeen doing it for long neough..
[10:07] <Darkside> enough*
[10:07] <Laurenceb> /sarc
[10:07] <cuddykid> very strange - seems to be bigger in Australia than anywhere else..
[10:07] <Darkside> cuddykid: you'd better mention project horus >_>
[10:07] <cuddykid> not even my local radio station has got in touch!
[10:07] <cuddykid> Darkside: I'll give it a mention if I can
[10:07] <daveake> cuddykid I already told you that you need to pay the Aussie mafia, via their local representative
[10:07] <eroomde> pride them with a picture of aussie habbers
[10:07] <eroomde> eg
[10:07] <eroomde> http://regmedia.co.uk/2012/09/11/mark_beer.jpg
[10:07] <eroomde> provide them*
[10:08] <cuddykid> haha
[10:08] <UpuWork> Dave described this suspect beverage as "the drink of losers :-)"
[10:08] <cuddykid> they keep contacting the Uni rather than googling my name
[10:09] <daveake> UpuWork I know what to say to make sure they quote me :)
[10:09] <UpuWork> I know but still funny
[10:09] <daveake> :)
[10:09] <eroomde> "sex tits boob e drink loham spaaaaaace"
[10:09] <UpuWork> that pic of the cloud looks amazing
[10:09] <UpuWork> clouds
[10:09] <eroomde> http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42478000/jpg/_42478587_fatherjack.jpg
[10:10] <eroomde> father dave
[10:10] <Darkside> eroomde: FECK
[10:10] <cuddykid> haa
[10:10] <griffonbot> @AnthonyStirk: RT @daveake: CLOUD7 vs HORUS28 flight covered in The Register http://t.co/2gbhYsK6 #UKHAS #theregister [http://twitter.com/AnthonyStirk/status/245464341703442432]
[10:10] <fsphil> that would be an ecumenical matter
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[10:29] <nosebleedkt> so does anyone have a good point to say about the new sparkfun hackDH module ?
[10:29] <nosebleedkt> hackHD
[10:29] <nosebleedkt> "gopro lens in a module"
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[10:29] <fsphil> send me one and I'll do a review for you :)
[10:29] <nosebleedkt> hahaha
[10:30] <nosebleedkt> the video on sparkfuns page
[10:30] <nosebleedkt> from that mission
[10:30] <nosebleedkt> edge2
[10:30] <nosebleedkt> is not good
[10:30] <nosebleedkt> make earth curvatures in a fake way :P
[10:31] <fsphil> so does the gopro
[10:31] <pjm> morning, does anyone have one of they DSO203 portable o'scopes? looking at getting one
[10:35] <jgrahamc> In general I'm rather down on SparkFun stuff. It tends to be a combination of expensive and a little bit crappy.
[10:36] <jgrahamc> e.g. http://blog.jgc.org/2012/04/deglitching-sparkfun-7-segment-serial.html
[10:37] <Hix> just been looking at the HackHD, appears that it uses M12 lenses, so you should be able to get hold of alternatives via DogCamSport or others. No more cureved horizons?..
[10:38] <Hix> curved
[10:39] <chris_99> not i, pjm, how much do they cost though?
[10:39] <fsphil> well, naturally curved
[10:39] <fsphil> although the curve is quite subtle
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[10:43] <cuddykid> could do another daveake style launch to Bruges with this offer http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/s-back-bogof-p-o-continental-mini-cruises-hull-rotterdam-amsterdam-bruges-1308610
[10:43] <Hix> has anyone used the HackHD? Wondering what the low light performance is like?
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[10:49] <pjm> chris_99 they are cheap +-120GBP
[10:49] <griffonbot> @daveake: Blog post for my CLOUD7 vs HORUS28 flight - http://t.co/mUQwUgrf #UKHAS #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/daveake/status/245474175614087169]
[10:50] <chris_99> ah, that's not as cheap as i thought they'd be though. I've got a Rigol bench scope which i'm pretty pleased with
[10:51] <eroomde> the rigol scopes are good
[10:51] <eroomde> they're the same as the agilents (the bottom end agilents)
[10:51] <eroomde> just without the price tag
[10:52] <jgrahamc> I tool have a Rigol which I got HK.
[10:52] <jgrahamc> I don't use it much, but it is very nice.
[10:53] <jgrahamc> The other tool that I use a lot (because of all the digital logic) is a Salae Logic: http://www.saleae.com/logic/
[10:53] <eroomde> i have one of those
[10:53] <eroomde> it is good
[10:53] <fsphil> I keep very nearly ordering one of those
[10:53] <eroomde> I got the 16ch one
[10:54] <daveake> I got the 8ch one
[10:54] <jgrahamc> Fancy eroomde. I have the original 8 channel. To be honest I don't think I've had to look at more than 2 channels at the same time.
[10:54] <daveake> I'm a cheapskate
[10:54] <jgrahamc> Good for decoding weird serial protocols.
[10:54] <daveake> 4 I think here
[10:54] <fsphil> definitely worth it?
[10:54] <eroomde> i recommend it, not for 16 channels which i don;t use that often (though do sometimes) but because of the buffering (unlike the 8 which will drop stuff if usb is contended) and the 1.8V ability
[10:54] <jgrahamc> fsphil: yes
[10:54] <eroomde> the 1.8V is increasingly useful as more stuff heads that way
[10:55] <fsphil> it would have been immensly useful when I was doing the 1-wire stuff
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[10:56] <cuddykid> an electronics "freak" (as he calls himself) has got in touch really interested with HAB stuff - lives in Denmark - I'll point him over to UKHAS and IRC
[10:56] <fsphil> it's tradition for a new better model to come out after I buy one, so I guess Saleae will have a new model out shortly...
[10:56] <daveake> :)
[10:56] <eroomde> the other advantage of the logic16 is that it can do 4 channels at 50mhz
[10:57] <eroomde> that means you can use it for debugging high speed things like sd cards
[10:57] <fsphil> logic16 is £200
[10:58] <chris_99> eek!
[10:58] <daveake> All possibly useful things, tho so far I've not needed any of them
[10:58] <chris_99> i used this http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/open-workbench-logic-sniffer-p-612.html?cPath=174
[10:58] <chris_99> works fine for me
[10:59] <pjm> yeah i was looking for sometihng useable for digital + analogue analysis of stuff
[10:59] <pjm> so output to PC is a requirement
[10:59] <BrainDamage> the chinese have started cloning the salae LA, I don't know the quality of the clones, but they go for 1/10 of the cost
[10:59] <eroomde> that open logic has a tiny buffer iirc
[10:59] <chris_99> yeah it does
[10:59] <eroomde> that wouldn't work for me
[10:59] <pjm> but thought a cheap portable scope would be ok, then a logic analyser like that scanlogic2
[11:00] <BrainDamage> sampling size for open logic is 24k
[11:01] <daveake> I bought a cheap/tiny portable scope. It's fine for what I need (checking out RS232 lines etc., flowmeters) when "on the road", and adds no real weight to the kit I take. However I wouldn't want to use it for anything more than that
[11:01] <BrainDamage> if only it'd support realtime capture at low speeds/small data flow, it'd be way less annoying
[11:02] <daveake> I also have an Owon with large screen and PC interfacing. Very nice and similar to some of the Rigols.
[11:02] <daveake> But for micro coding, I tend to use the Salae most
[11:03] <cuddykid> this cracked me up - from someone in Hong Kong.. "I think you have captured an aurora in one of the photos" -> http://www.flickr.com/photos/acudworth/7895187706/in/set-72157631323743662
[11:03] <daveake> erm.... where? lol
[11:03] <cuddykid> lens glare up at the top lol
[11:04] <BrainDamage> maybe a single greenish pixel on the left side
[11:04] <daveake> erm, yeah
[11:04] <cuddykid> haha
[11:04] <daveake> Upu and I had a false alarm that he'd captured a satellite reflection. That was lens flare too
[11:05] <cuddykid> that would be cool
[11:05] <cuddykid> apparently it's been featured in the local paper in Hong Kong
[11:05] <gonzo_> UFO sighting!
[11:06] <daveake> Well I was hoping for someone to claim a UFO sighting with my Buzz1 flight :)
[11:06] <eroomde> oh god we had a ufo sighting once
[11:07] <gonzo_> my sister sent a picture in to some ghost hunter mag. Of an 'orb'.
[11:07] <eroomde> complete with grainy photos and everything
[11:07] <gonzo_> I took one look and it was obviously dust in the flash
[11:07] <eroomde> 'it hovered beneath the clouds layer for a few seconds before rocketing upwards with tremendous velocity'
[11:07] <eroomde> accompanied by pictures of what were clearly our balloon doing a steady 4m/s the entire time
[11:07] <eroomde> it's amazing how people confuse themselves
[11:08] <MrScienceMan> they want to believe
[11:08] <gonzo_> they see what they want and selective mem does the rest
[11:08] <gonzo_> without that, the whole of religion would be sunk!
[11:09] <MrScienceMan> considering how many people say they've been probed
[11:10] <MrScienceMan> its amazing that there is some other people that go out of their way to find those molesting alians
[11:10] <MrScienceMan> is/are..
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[11:14] <fsphil> we are not alone
[11:15] <BrainDamage> meh, I should start spreading rumors that someone anal probed an alien, at least it'd be an interesting change
[11:16] <daveake> Why, is there intelligent life out there?
[11:16] <BrainDamage> I'm not sure there's even here
[11:22] <MrScienceMan> surely if we find life on mars, probing is guaranteed
[11:22] <gonzo_> not much. Tending to zero I think. The sun readers skew the stats
[11:23] <MrScienceMan> the sun readers?
[11:24] <MrScienceMan> sounds like a cult
[11:24] <daveake> close
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[11:25] <Hix> daveake: xD
[11:26] <MrScienceMan> whats closer?
[11:26] <gonzo_> That cost me a mouthful of tea dave!
[11:30] <fsphil> lol
[11:31] <fsphil> "sun reader" is an oxymoron, they just look at the pictures
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[11:33] <fsphil> hmm,, logic16 is actually £250 .. forgot about that pesky vat
[11:33] <MrScienceMan> are you suggesting they dont posses psyhic powers?
[11:33] <daveake> Sorry gonzo_ :)
[11:34] <Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/L29UB.png
[11:34] <Laurenceb> tadaaa
[11:38] <fsphil> xD
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[11:41] <nosebleedkt> lol
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[11:46] <Futurity> Hi, Has anyone seen my recent postings to the mailing list? Will be from Neil
[11:46] <Futurity> each tim I post something I get this back from Google Groups:
[11:46] <Futurity> We're writing to let you know that the group you tried to contact (ukhas) may not exist, or you may not have permission to post messages to the group. A few more details on why you weren't able to post:
[11:46] <Futurity>
[11:47] <Futurity> * You might have spelled or formatted the group name incorrectly.
[11:47] <Futurity> * The owner of the group may have removed this group.
[11:47] <Futurity> * You may need to join the group before receiving permission to post.
[11:47] <Futurity> * This group may not be open to posting.
[11:47] <Futurity>
[11:47] <Futurity> If you have questions related to this or any other Google Group, visit the Help Center at http://groups.google.com/support/?hl=en_US.
[11:47] <Futurity>
[11:47] <Futurity> Thanks,
[11:47] <Futurity>
[11:47] <Futurity> Google Groups
[11:47] <fsphil> are you receiving emails from the group?
[11:47] <daveake> Should work. emailing or via the web page?
[11:48] <Randomskk> what email address are you sending to?
[11:48] <Randomskk> and what email address from?
[11:49] <Randomskk> Futurity: ^
[11:54] <Randomskk> no?
[11:55] <Randomskk> if you're sending from the email address you registered with back in 2009 then you're definitely set to be allowed to post and it should work fine
[11:55] <Laurenceb> http://www.st.com/internet/com/press_release/p3323.jsp
[11:58] <Futurity> I've gone into Google Groups and everything appears to be fine. I've even just linked it to my Google plus account, saved it, retested, but received the same email error back
[11:59] <Futurity> I'm receiving emails from the group fine, which is why I'm so confused
[11:59] <gonzo_> check the 'reply to:' address
[12:00] <Futurity> Right now I'm simply replying to posts within Gmail. The email address coming up in the reply is: ukhas@googlegroups.com
[12:00] <Randomskk> Futurity: what from address?
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[12:00] <Randomskk> are you sending from
[12:00] <Futurity> neil at futurity dot co dot uk
[12:00] <Futurity> not sure if there any email scrappers in here ;)
[12:01] <Randomskk> you're not in the group
[12:01] <Randomskk> you joined as
[12:01] <Randomskk> futuritysolutions at gmail
[12:01] <Randomskk> in 09
[12:01] <Randomskk> which is the email that is allowed to post
[12:01] <Randomskk> and is probably where emails are going to
[12:01] <Futurity> hmm, so not in the group, receiving the emails and group listed in myGroups within Google Groups. First Google bug i've spotted ;)
[12:02] <daveake> Do you have the 2 gmail accounts linked? e.g. one forwards to the other, or the second polls the first?
[12:02] <Futurity> oh, ok recently I changed Google Mail to send as that other email address
[12:03] <Randomskk> yea.
[12:03] <Randomskk> you are in the group on your gmail address
[12:03] <Randomskk> just your new address isn't in the group so can't send
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[12:04] <Randomskk> so just join up from your new email address, or send messages from the old one
[12:07] <cuddykid> looks like it's in the metro online
[12:07] <daveake> cuddykid You're going to spend all week googling yourself
[12:08] <daveake> I tild you not to do that
[12:08] <daveake> I know I did it :D
[12:08] <cuddykid> if anyone hears from RocketBoy can you tell him I'm after him
[12:08] <cuddykid> lol daveake - I've resisted reading comments though!
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[12:22] <WillDuckworth> el reg seem to be loving this HAB stuff :D
[12:22] <daveake> We know what they like :D
[12:23] <daveake> And of course they have their own project
[12:23] <WillDuckworth> weird seeing your name up there?
[12:23] <daveake> Got used to it by now :p
[12:24] <WillDuckworth> ha
[12:25] <daveake> Though with the Pi thing I got mentioned on a USA web TV thing. That did seem strange hearing my name!
[12:27] <Hix> cuddykid: Weren't you studying Economics or similar? Remember you mentioning a placement with some financial company
[12:27] <cuddykid> Hix: yep - econ
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[12:30] <Hix> Good old Daily Mail "But the modest teenager, who is now an engineering student at the University of Nottingham"
[12:30] <Hix> Daily Fail!!!
[12:30] <cuddykid> yeah, typical reporting
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[12:31] <Hix> dunno how the f%&^ up copy paste...
[12:31] <Hix> they
[12:32] <craag> They probably thought "There's no way an economics student could have done this... must be someone else's mistake."
[12:32] <daveake> "They probably thought" ... see, you've gone wrong already :)
[12:33] <craag> Ah, good point :p
[12:33] <jgrahamc> One newspaper, writing about the Alan Turing petition back in 2009, described me as a "friend of Turing".
[12:33] <Hix> :D
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[12:33] <daveake> lol
[12:33] <jgrahamc> I look really very young for my age :-)
[12:33] <eroomde> wow
[12:34] <eroomde> when the petition was successful, did you exclaim 'turing complete'?
[12:35] <eroomde> because i would have done and then probably giggled to myself as others looked on bemused
[12:35] <jgrahamc> I should have done, but I had the flu and talking to the PM was exhausting so I actually just went back to bed.
[12:35] <jgrahamc> Some guys in my office made a pun about the word 'homogeneous' which said in the American way is 'homo-genius'.
[12:41] <gonzo_> it's like when a brit say's to them 'I could murder a fag right now'
[12:41] <eroomde> they say yehaaaw and go get a couple of horses and a rope
[12:41] <gonzo_> hehe
[12:42] <eroomde> i used to work in the foreign office you know
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[13:01] <Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/FvNaE.jpg
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[13:05] <MrScienceMan> so it was not the sand people
[13:05] <MrScienceMan> who are we left with?
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[13:06] <Laurenceb> ask RMS
[13:11] <Futurity> Randomskk: Thanks for debugging my group problem. I'll sign up again with the correct email addres
[13:11] <Randomskk> no problem
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[13:15] <DrLuke> can anybody explain to me how the wgs-84 geoid data works?
[13:15] <Randomskk> it defines a shape that roughly tells you sea level for any point on earth
[13:16] <Randomskk> it's better than assuming earth is spherical
[13:16] <Randomskk> try looking up WGS-84 and geoid in wikipedia
[13:16] <DrLuke> yes, but I found some datasets, and they all are just heights, are these the height deviations relative to an elliptical sphere?
[13:17] <Randomskk> not sure, depends on your dataset
[13:17] <DrLuke> I basically try to convert gps-coordinates to a kartesian system with X Y and Z
[13:17] <Randomskk> interesting
[13:17] <Randomskk> do that with a library
[13:17] <Randomskk> honestly
[13:17] <Randomskk> save your sanity
[13:17] <Randomskk> anyway look into ECEF and similar reference frames
[13:18] <Randomskk> but yea just use a library
[13:18] <Randomskk> they exist for this and are tested and work
[13:18] <russss> yes
[13:18] <russss> use a damn library
[13:18] <DrLuke> ah, alright
[13:18] <russss> http://trac.osgeo.org/proj/
[13:18] <russss> proj is the kind of canonical one
[13:19] <russss> I generally use PostGIS for all this stuff though
[13:19] <russss> because it is awesome
[13:19] <Randomskk> postgis++
[13:19] <Randomskk> but proj is definitely good
[13:20] <Randomskk> if you're using python or ruby or something there are good wrappers for proj
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[13:20] <DrLuke> perfect! thanks
[13:20] <DrLuke> saves me a lot of headache
[13:20] <Laurenceb> i abuse a ublox to do the conversion
[13:20] <Laurenceb> you can do it with UBX
[13:20] <DrLuke> well, the goal is to create an automatic tracking antenna
[13:21] <Laurenceb> i see
[13:21] <Randomskk> there are probably better ways to do automatic tracking
[13:21] <DrLuke> and all HABs only output long, lat and height
[13:21] <DrLuke> Randomskk: ?
[13:21] <Randomskk> meh, ecef is fine though
[13:22] <DrLuke> I guess you could have a second antenna for scanning, but that's extra hardware effort
[13:22] <Randomskk> no I mean better ways than swapping to ecef perhaps
[13:22] <Randomskk> the problem is if you swap both to ecef you need to go back to get a bearing and elevation
[13:23] <Randomskk> you can probably find a better way to get the az/el of a balloon from your location
[13:23] <Randomskk> but whatever
[13:23] <griffonbot> Received email: Neil Baker "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Launch this Saturday 8th - Bello Mondo-11"
[13:23] <DrLuke> uhm, no? when I have the X, Y and Z coordinates of both, I just do some quick vector magic and I'll get the bearing and elevation
[13:24] <craag> DrLuke: There are formulas to get bearing from 2x lat/lon
[13:24] <craag> Also distance, from which you can then calculate elevation, knowing altitudes.
[13:25] <Randomskk> yea
[13:25] <Randomskk> I think x y z coords is a roundabout way
[13:25] <Randomskk> also the bearing you get out of it will be weird
[13:25] <Randomskk> becuase you need a bearing relative to your position on earth and northing
[13:25] <DrLuke> well x y z is more absolute, so I like it more
[13:25] <Randomskk> you'll get three angles out of two cartesian positions
[13:25] <Randomskk> none of which map directly to a bearing or an elevation
[13:25] <DrLuke> yeah I know
[13:26] <Randomskk> lat and long is equally as absolute
[13:26] <Randomskk> and there are good ways to get an az/el from that
[13:26] <DrLuke> I've already thought it all through, the only problem I had was finding the x y z coordinates
[13:26] <Randomskk> which are quicker, lower error and easier to code
[13:26] <Randomskk> I would hesistate to suggest that if your problem is going from lat/lng to x y z you might be missing a few other bits -- that should be the simple part
[13:26] <Randomskk> (not least because libraries do it for you)
[13:27] <Randomskk> but I mean, it can definitely be made to work with lat/lng -> x, y, z -> az/el
[13:27] <craag> Just google for lat/lon, bearing, elevation. I've got a script that calculates az/el for antenna tracking. Still trying to scrape habitat properly though.
[13:27] <Randomskk> just is a bit roundabout.
[13:27] <DanielRichman> https://github.com/ukhas/habitat-autotracker currently assumes a spherical earth by only using 1 iteration of a method that can support ellipticalness
[13:27] <Randomskk> craag: do shout if you have any issues with that, it should hopefully be fairly easy
[13:27] <Randomskk> oh yea, there's even reference antenna tracking code ^
[13:27] <Randomskk> craag: which incidentally has reference habitat code
[13:27] <Randomskk> (you shouldn't be scraping habitat! it has an api! :P)
[13:28] <DanielRichman> someone asked pretty much the exact same question a couple of days ago craag - let me find the logs
[13:28] <Hix> DrLuke: http://goo.gl/T0lZi
[13:28] <craag> Randomskk: Ah, awesome. I still can't get the latest packet properly. I'll check out that code this evening.
[13:28] <craag> Yeah, using the API, not scraping directly.
[13:29] <DanielRichman> http://habhub.org/zeusbot/logs_highlighted/highaltitude.log.20120910.html see M0JCU @ 00:49
[13:29] <Hix> and http://goo.gl/5wVBV refs XYZ
[13:29] <DrLuke> thanks
[13:31] <craag> Thanks for the link DanielRichman.
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[13:37] <craag> My plan is for a minimal little program that just has a dropdown box for selecting an active payload and a couple of text boxes for local lat/lon/alt, and then spits UDP packets of az/el at PSTRotator on the same machine.
[13:38] <DanielRichman> cool. Long story short, you want to use the flight/end_start_including_payloads view to get active flights, then payload_telemetry/flight_payload_time view to get the location of a given payload
[13:39] <DanielRichman> which language are you writing in?
[13:40] <craag> That's the hardest bit. I haven't built for windows in anything other than C# at uni.. would C++ be better?
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[13:43] <zyp> the best language is the one you're comfortable with
[13:43] <EarthBreeze> Hi Mark,
[13:43] <craag> Python :P
[13:43] <DanielRichman> c++ and c# both have couchdb libraries
[13:43] <DanielRichman> if you like python, why not python?
[13:43] <zyp> I'd probably use python for something like that
[13:44] <craag> I thought there might dependencies for doing a GUI app in windows with python?
[13:44] <DanielRichman> habitat's written in python so you can borrow examples or code too
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[13:44] <zyp> I'm not experienced with windows, but I've made guis with pyside for other operating systems
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[13:45] <zyp> which probably would work just as well on windows
[13:46] <craag> Ah, I googled it (should have done that first) and turns out there's a fair few native frameworks. Thanks.
[13:46] <Randomskk> python guis on windows aren't that hard
[13:46] <Randomskk> yea
[13:48] <craag> Assumptions are bad. Thanks for the pointers DanielRichman, I'll look into them.
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[13:57] <griffonbot> Received email: Graham Shirville "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Launch this Saturday 8th - Bello Mondo-11"
[14:07] <costyn> cuddykid: you're on the Dutch news as well (this is THE Dutch online news site): http://www.nu.nl/opmerkelijk/2905827/engelse-tiener-maakt-hoge-luchtfotos-250-euro.html
[14:08] <cuddykid> ahh cool! Looks like they've used some NASA photo
[14:08] <Gadget-Work> Is this one of 'ours' ? http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Appeal-spaceman-goes-missing-110-000ft-Leicester/story-16871426-detail/story.html
[14:09] <costyn> cuddykid: just some stock photo looks like ; they link to here: http://www.wtf.nl/weird-science/4505/tiener-maakt-low-budget-spacefotos.html
[14:09] <cuddykid> yep
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[14:21] <cjdavies> Upu: do you know which firmware is on the ublox max 6 modules you ship?
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[14:33] <costyn> so is the EarthBreeze balloon officially lost? N9QIP_ heard it but didn't/couldn't record any signals is what I read?
[14:35] <daveake> Sounds like it. Maybe it'll come alive when it falls.
[14:35] <daveake> LiPo + solar cells wasn't it?
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[14:37] <Willienl> hmm must be the wrong channel..
[14:37] <Willienl> ehm i did think national weather balloon stuff was also discussed here but looks like not :)
[14:38] <eroomde> national weather balloon?
[14:39] <costyn> i'm guessing he means met office?
[14:40] <Willienl> well weather balloons a long time ago for me
[14:41] <costyn> Willienl: we discuss all sorts of weagther balloon stuff here, but nearly all of do it for fun, not for our jobs
[14:41] <Willienl> sometimes i read news reports that the local weather service has released a balloon wich strand at a flag pole or in someone's garden
[14:41] <Willienl> i did know on wich frequency they transmitted but was looking for just that and trying to track a couple
[14:41] <Willienl> costyn: well i'm just a fan boy with a rtl sdr stick and itchy hands
[14:41] <k6sts> I need a 1680mhz rcvr to track local launches
[14:42] <EarthBreeze> I'm Here for a Bit
[14:42] <Willienl> they release 2 a day
[14:42] <k6sts> Any new updates on your balloon?
[14:43] <EarthBreeze> nothing, I just posted on QRZ.com http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?361087-Lost-Contact-With-Balloon-Looking-For-Listeners to see if we can get some more ears listening too.
[14:43] <Willienl> can't find it but by quick guess it was in the range 144 or 440 or 868 :)
[14:43] <costyn> Willienl: ok well someone on here ought to be able to help you. I'm not sure what freq the vaisala sondes are on. Google didn't help?
[14:44] <daveake> fsphil has tracked some
[14:44] <fsphil> which country Willienl?
[14:44] <Willienl> costyn: well i need to take some time at google
[14:44] <Willienl> holland
[14:44] <fsphil> in europe they tend to be on 400-403 mhz
[14:44] <fsphil> you use a program called sondemonitor to track them
[14:44] <Willienl> mark 2 microsonde loran-c ?
[14:44] <Willienl> moment
[14:44] <costyn> Willienl: I'm also Dutch, but don't konw the answer :)
[14:44] <Willienl> these -> http://users.telenet.be/on6hn2/forumsonde1.jpg
[14:44] <Willienl> with this info yes i can google all specs indeed
[14:44] <Willienl> moment
[14:45] <fsphil> there is a website that shows launch locations and frequencies, but I've typically lost the link
[14:45] <k6sts> All US is moving to 1680 mhz
[14:45] <Willienl> ahh http://www.sippican.com/stuff/contentmgr/files/3e8052902595d3629c7b01ca9f4201b0/sheet/mark2.pdf
[14:45] <Willienl> specs
[14:45] <costyn> Willienl: where in NL areyou?
[14:46] <Willienl> costyn: not far from rotterdam
[14:46] <costyn> Willienl: ah I'm in Rijswijk myself
[14:46] <Willienl> a few has been reported near by and people call bombsquat to remove them
[14:46] <Willienl> so i'm planning to follow them for a while and think about return a few and keep 2 for my own as hardware :)
[14:46] <UpuWork> hi cjdavies
[14:46] <Willienl> cheaper then buying those transmitters and better then diy one :p
[14:46] <UpuWork> its the latest 7. something I believe
[14:47] <Willienl> costyn: well thats almosth next to my house
[14:47] <UpuWork> just checking
[14:47] <Willienl> costyn: iirc we live in the same area :p
[14:47] <Willienl> looks like they transmit by default at 403MHz btw
[14:47] <costyn> Willienl: I built and sent up my own about a month ago, unfortunately the camera failed on launch, so no pics from 37.5KM, the max altitude reached
[14:48] <UpuWork> cjdavies 7.03
[14:48] <Willienl> costyn: wow sounds cool as project
[14:48] <Willienl> costyn: working with one of the local hackers spaces or doing it on your own like i do ?
[14:48] <costyn> Willienl: yes, that's what most people on here do, make their own trackers and payload and send them up :)
[14:48] <fsphil> our local met sondes work on 402.7 mhz
[14:48] <costyn> Willienl: on my own
[14:48] <fsphil> but few of them land near me
[14:48] <costyn> Willienl: are you at a hackerspace? I'm at RevSpace @ the Hague
[14:49] <cjdavies> UpuWork: Thanks :)
[14:49] Action: cjdavies is current elbow deep in the 208 page protocol spec
[14:49] <Willienl> costyn: well google for olimex olinuxino nice arm boards with usb and +- 60 io lines run embedded linux i2c/spi/1wire ready
[14:49] <UpuWork> yeah its good fun :)
[14:49] <eroomde> haager-space
[14:49] <Willienl> costyn: nope but i have been at revspace once :)
[14:49] <UpuWork> cjdavies its easier to use the uCenter tbh
[14:49] <costyn> Willienl: most of us use arduino's
[14:50] <cjdavies> UpuWork: but where would the challenge in that be?
[14:50] <eroomde> but don't feel you have to use an arduino!
[14:50] <Willienl> fsphil: well i remember a flag pole with sonde on it and people called bombsquat for the smoke and fumes and a hissing noise xD
[14:50] <cjdavies> j/k I'll probably give it a go
[14:50] <Willienl> since then i'm interested
[14:50] <costyn> Willienl: hehe
[14:50] <UpuWork> cjdavies alot of the standard stuff is documented on the wiki
[14:50] <Willienl> well i have msp430 and imx233 :)
[14:51] <Willienl> oxe800dse arm sata host controller is overkill to make it airborne
[14:51] <cjdavies> UpuWork: you know if I can use tx/rx pins on an arduino to connect the module 'by RS232' to u-center?
[14:51] <cjdavies> otherwise I'll have to hack something else together
[14:52] <UpuWork> yeah
[14:52] <Willienl> costyn: also a few balloons come with sstv transmissions but dunno if local one's do that
[14:52] <UpuWork> just write a null prorgam for the Arduino
[14:52] <UpuWork> 1 sec
[14:52] <Hix> How much do you reckon them Sippican units cost Met offices on an annual basis?
[14:52] <cjdavies> presuming this u-center is Windows only? will have to see how the arduino UART works through VM USB passthrough...
[14:53] <fsphil> http://www.radiosonde.eu/RS02/RS02L.html
[14:53] <fsphil> I think that's sonde launch sites in holland?
[14:53] <UpuWork> http://pastebin.com/qArQfDBX assuming you're using the module with level convertors cjdavies
[14:53] <cjdavies> UpuWork: yup, thanks
[14:53] <cjdavies> fingerprint sensor, lol :D
[14:54] <UpuWork> defaults to 9600
[14:54] <UpuWork> oh yeah ignore that I stole it from somewhere else
[14:54] <UpuWork> Adafruit I think
[14:54] <Hix> "le lâcher a lieu environ 30min avant l'heure Z"
[14:54] <cjdavies> so will u-center allow me to configure the module & it then remembers settings via battery, or will it give me the hex strings that I can then make the arduino send it when it receives power?
[14:54] <Hix> They don't follow ISH? :)
[14:55] <UpuWork> you can watch the binary console in u-center
[14:55] <cjdavies> ah, perfect :)
[14:55] <fsphil> sadly no, met sondes launch on time :)
[14:55] <UpuWork> this gives you the codes
[14:56] <Willienl> costyn: by the way what are you using as receiver unit ?
[14:56] <costyn> Willienl: yaesu ft 817
[14:56] <Hix> fsphil: 30 mins before scheduled time ...... how very unISH
[14:57] <costyn> Willienl: ad Tim Zaman did 2 sstv launches, google his name for more info
[14:58] <Hix> Willienl: http://www.timzaman.nl/
[14:58] <cjdavies> I've devised a super high tech outdoor weatherproof mounting system for my module/gps --> http://imgur.com/oxtsJ
[14:58] <cjdavies> as long as nobody walks past & steals it...
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[14:59] <eroomde> i have never seenanything so sophisticated in all my many years of hab
[14:59] <Hix> my Yagi mount was pretty high tech
[15:00] <eroomde> pic or it didn;t happen
[15:00] <Willienl> costyn: ahh real gear compared to my rtl sdr and a modified hand radio xD
[15:01] <Hix> eroomde: sec 3g upload to imgur
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[15:04] <Hix> eroomde: http://i.imgur.com/mnJrs.jpg
[15:04] <eroomde> nice
[15:05] <eroomde> window frame adds a bit of extra in the main lobe right
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[15:05] <Hix> well it wasn't just chucked there, it was all analysed an everythin
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[15:08] <eroomde> no no of course
[15:08] <eroomde> it would be madness to do it any other way
[15:08] <Willienl> back again lost half the log
[15:08] <Hix> Willienl: you can trace back here http://habhub.org/zeusbot/
[15:09] <fsphil> I nearly bought an antenna analyser this-morning
[15:09] <fsphil> but I can only get either it or the logic analyser
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[15:10] <Willienl> hm ok nothing lost
[15:11] <eroomde> fsphil: logic
[15:11] <eroomde> more useful for now
[15:11] <eroomde> a decent antenna analyser is worth saving up for
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[15:11] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[15:11] <eroomde> no
[15:11] <fsphil> good point
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[15:12] <Randomskk> logic is really good
[15:13] <Randomskk> I agree with eroomde
[15:13] <fsphil> ok, sold
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[15:14] <eroomde> 16ch
[15:15] <fsphil> well
[15:15] <eroomde> if you think you might want to do things like - 1.8V stuff (jpeg sensors increasingly being 1.8V due to mobile phones, likewise sd cards). fastish parallel buses also like sd cards
[15:15] <Willienl> Hix: Thanks
[15:15] <fsphil> the reason I'm interested is for image sensors
[15:15] <Hix> no probs
[15:16] <eroomde> those are the two biggies for me over the 8. speed and 1.8V
[15:16] <Hix> took me ages to realise that it was all logged
[15:16] <eroomde> yeah so an image sensor might have 8 data lines and then extra control lines
[15:16] <Randomskk> also 16 bit because there are so many 8bit busses
[15:16] <eroomde> so you'd want the 16
[15:16] <Hix> i had txt files all over the place with copy paste of info
[15:16] <Randomskk> and you really want the control signals to go with them
[15:16] <Randomskk> otherwise you start compromising like just looking at the top four MSBs of the data bus so you can get the bus control lines too
[15:16] <eroomde> all those for 16:
[15:17] <eroomde> aye
[15:17] <Randomskk> all by yourself
[15:17] <Randomskk> anyway yes do get the 16 if you can afford it
[15:17] <eroomde> that's 2
[15:17] <eroomde> motion carried
[15:18] <eroomde> you must respect how we have decided you must spend your own money for something for yourself, fsphil
[15:18] <Randomskk> yup, that's how it works
[15:18] <eroomde> exactly
[15:19] <fsphil> well that simplifies things
[15:19] <eroomde> t's a futureproof investment
[15:19] <eroomde> think of it that way
[15:19] <Randomskk> all in favour of eroomde buying drinks for everyone after ukas12
[15:19] <Willienl> costyn: i wonder are you a licensed amateur ? :)
[15:19] <Randomskk> aye
[15:19] <eroomde> not that the 8 isn't
[15:19] <fsphil> aye
[15:19] <eroomde> but 1.8V is becomming way more common in hobby stuff
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[15:19] <Randomskk> motion passed
[15:19] <Randomskk> thanks eroomde
[15:19] <eroomde> i'll give you passed motion
[15:20] <fsphil> I like this new order
[15:20] <Randomskk> I remember when "3.3v is becoming way more common in hobby stuff"
[15:20] <eroomde> scary huh
[15:21] <eroomde> you're getting old
[15:21] <Randomskk> :|
[15:21] <Randomskk> soo oold
[15:21] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[15:23] <fsphil> is that hexidecimal, 0xD?
[15:24] <Lunar_Lander> no that is like laughing
[15:24] <costyn> Willienl: no I am not a licensed amateur
[15:24] <fsphil> your an unlicensed amateur?
[15:25] <eroomde> an out-law
[15:25] <fsphil> get him!
[15:25] <costyn> fsphil: yes
[15:25] Action: costyn runs
[15:25] Action: costyn points to daveake
[15:25] <costyn> get him too
[15:26] <eroomde> don;t threten daveake
[15:26] <eroomde> i know his plan
[15:26] <eroomde> he has remote cutdowns built into every one of his payloads
[15:26] <eroomde> if anyone threatens him, he will activate them
[15:27] <eroomde> that sheer amount of mass falling from so many trees to the ground simultaneously will cause an earthquake that will destory the infrastructure in most of the hemisphere
[15:27] <costyn> death from above?
[15:27] <Hix> he he
[15:27] <fsphil> habageddon
[15:27] <costyn> eroomde: nice imagination there :0
[15:27] <costyn> fsphil: lol
[15:27] <Hix> arborgeddon
[15:28] <fsphil> which to be honest, is what we should have called Saturdays flights
[15:29] <Hix> I'm thinking my maiden flight should be FUBAR1
[15:30] <Willienl> costyn: well licensed or not afther one call with our telecom agency about overmodulated p2000 systems and mirrors even at 40MHz +25dB and still say well not important thats only for rc toys i stopped care about laws and crap if they do not respect them in the first place
[15:31] <Willienl> costyn: near by rijswijk you will receive theire signal at 40MHz excactly try it out and wait a 5 min
[15:31] <Willienl> i'm not willing to replace my rc receivers for 3th party issues
[15:32] <Willienl> also i'm not licensed just have 30MHz up to 980MHz space on my receiver here so enough fun to listen to ;-)
[15:32] <fsphil> I guess your regulator is as proactive as ours
[15:33] <Willienl> they ignore it and keep stuff as is while they push the noise levels up on the full rf spectrum
[15:33] <Willienl> fsphil: yes pirates are theire topic afther some complaning people
[15:33] <Willienl> but also limit amateurs for no reasons made me not going to do the exam and stay listener
[15:33] <costyn> Willienl: interesting :) I haven't delved much into ti
[15:34] <Willienl> costyn: well i did and still do :)
[15:34] <costyn> Willienl: anyways, I need to go. if you want to chat some other time, I'm usually on here
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[15:34] <Willienl> can be interesting receiving some plc over radio etc etc
[15:34] <Willienl> well same here i need to fix food
[15:35] <Willienl> indeed i'll hang around and continue debug some stuff here and comeback on the balloon stuff to stay ontopic next time ;p\
[15:35] <Willienl> -
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[15:42] <priyesh> could someone look at spacenearus. apex isnt going through
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[15:45] <daveake> priyesh Log says "Incorrect number of fields (got 15, expect 10)
[15:45] <daveake> "
[15:47] <daveake> hmmm perhaps ignore that ... another one parsed ok
[15:49] <UpuWork> what time is your presentation priyesh ?
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[16:14] <cuddykid> http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2012/09/11/intv-amateur-space-photographer.cnn
[16:14] <cuddykid> apparently been aired 3 times already on CNN
[16:14] <Guest84904> k
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[16:18] <craag> cuddykid: You seem to have hit the media-coverage jackpot!
[16:19] <cuddykid> craag: yeah, come as a huge surprise
[16:21] <daveake> I assume you mentioned he-who-musn't-be-mentioned as many times as he's mentioned you :)
[16:21] <cuddykid> this annoying indian journalist keeps emailing asking me to answer a ridiculous amount of questions
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[16:22] <cuddykid> :)
[16:22] <ON5UE> show status
[16:22] <fsphil> happy
[16:23] <nigelvh> Morning all.
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[16:23] <fsphil> evening nigelvh
[16:23] <fsphil> how's things?
[16:23] <nigelvh> Excellent
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[16:23] <nigelvh> Got my new transmitter boards in and assembled one last night
[16:23] <fsphil> no boom?
[16:24] <nigelvh> I'm putting together a blog post with some photos I'll send a link to in a minute
[16:24] <nigelvh> Yes, no boom
[16:24] <fsphil> sweet
[16:24] <nigelvh> In fact, so far I haven't found any board errors.
[16:24] <priyesh> open evening has started
[16:24] <nigelvh> Though I shouldn't say that out loud
[16:27] <priyesh> any idea whats wrong
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[16:29] <craag> _fix_invalid is true?
[16:30] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Aerospace "[UKHAS] Launch Announcement (ish)"
[16:32] <EarthBreeze> http://cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2012/09/11/intv-amateur-space-photographer.cnn.html
[16:34] <EarthBreeze> I assume this is what you all are talkng about?
[16:35] <LazyLeopard> ;)
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[16:40] <nigelvh> Alright, blog post is up with photos. Shiny... https://k7nvh.com/wordpress/?p=222
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[16:52] <DanielRichman> priyesh: hi; will have a look
[16:53] <DanielRichman> $$APEX,7597,16:39:33,,,,0,00,,,-,,*75,999.99,19.25,4.39*A558 got 15 fields, expect 10
[16:53] <DanielRichman> also you don't have a lock
[16:53] <cjdavies> Upu: should u-center start spitting out data just by me telling it to coldstart the device?
[16:54] <DanielRichman> earlier parses were good; last good one at 17:39:20
[16:54] <cjdavies> I see rx on the arduino flash when I send commands, but nothing comes back over tx
[16:54] <Upu> give me 10 mins cjdavies and I'll show you
[16:54] <Upu> and/or try switch rx/tx
[16:54] <DanielRichman> priyesh: however that parse had _fix_invalid set (presumably due to a gps lock field) so it was not uploaded
[16:54] <DanielRichman> so basically yeah you need a lock
[16:54] <cjdavies> thanks Upu
[16:55] <cjdavies> Upu: switching tx/rx has fixed it :)
[16:55] <cjdavies> probably should've tried that myself before bothing you more
[16:55] <Upu> result
[16:55] <cjdavies> :)
[16:55] <Upu> afk 10
[16:56] <DanielRichman> priyesh: you've put the invalid_always filter on your sentence which marks it as invalid, always
[16:56] <DanielRichman> i'll remove that.
[16:57] <DanielRichman> I reparsed the last good-looking sentence and you're now on the map
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[16:58] <SamSilver> http://youtu.be/s66fVHQ4-68
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[16:59] <SamSilver> h2 popping and stuff
[16:59] Nick change: SAIDias -> W0OTM
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[17:37] <DrLuke> http://www.stern.de/panorama/mit-40-euro-kamera-teenager-schiesst-aufnahmen-im-all-1893044.html
[17:37] <DrLuke> more press
[17:38] <joph> stern.de is crap ;)
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[17:39] <eroomde> so i don;t speak german
[17:39] <eroomde> but that url says
[17:40] <eroomde> with 40 euro camera teenager shit [no idea] I'm all
[17:40] <DrLuke> shoots
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[17:40] <DrLuke> photos from space
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[17:41] <costyn> cuddykid: i read through the comments on the Dutch news site; most of the comments were positive, while they are usually snide and sarcastic there
[17:41] <costyn> cuddykid: some clueless ones like "how does he make sure he doesnt hit airplanes?!"
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[17:47] <Hix> Found this looks pretty good. I like the codeblocks interface and the code help is pretty useful too... http://www.arduinodev.com/codeblocks/
[17:48] <MrScienceMan> mmm that looks pretty good
[17:49] <MrScienceMan> integrated pre-configured AVR compiler toolchain
[17:49] <MrScienceMan> integrated AVRDUDE for uploading (Flash and EEPROM) via USB or programmer
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[17:49] <cuddykid> costyn: good stuff :) the ones that I read on the telegraph were mostly positive - all the tweets/emails I've got have been all very positive
[17:51] <costyn> Hix: that looks promisiing
[17:51] <costyn> cuddykid: good good :)
[17:51] <Hix> Yup - just trying it out now. Been using codeblock for coding but this looks like a 1 stop shop
[17:51] <costyn> Hix: but no Mac :/
[17:52] <Hix> not polished enough for Apple?
[17:52] <Hix> shame though
[17:52] <Hix> just dual boot?
[17:52] <cuddykid> directing the keen people to UKHAS website
[17:53] <costyn> probably just no developers (of codeblocks) that use Macs, so they don't compile it
[17:53] <Hix> maybe they could? If asked???
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[17:53] <costyn> Hix: yea I have a VM with Win7, but I already have arduino files strewn amongst various computers, trying to minimize that :)
[17:54] <costyn> Hix: in the comments there's a comment about a guy going to do a post about making it work under mac
[17:54] <Hix> dropbox everything, means you have it everywhere
[17:54] <costyn> Hix: I'll see what I can find
[17:54] <costyn> Hix: i use github for code and google drive for other bits
[17:57] <MrScienceMan> Extracting CodeBlocks
[17:57] <MrScienceMan> Folders: 592
[17:57] <MrScienceMan> Files: 4247
[17:57] <MrScienceMan> :x
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[17:59] <costyn> woa
[18:00] <Hix> found it?
[18:00] <MrScienceMan> includes self contrained cygwin + packages
[18:03] <costyn> why isn't this payload configuration used more often? http://www.pawanexport.com/images/products/baloon/5b.jpg seems perfect to keep it all stable
[18:03] <costyn> of course it does add a lot of weight
[18:03] <costyn> but still..
[18:03] <costyn> would be perfect for video
[18:10] <cuddykid> finally got rid of my old MBP :D
[18:11] <costyn> cuddykid: all this fame has brought you fortune too?!
[18:11] <costyn> ;)
[18:11] <cuddykid> I wish.. haha - completely unrelated :P
[18:11] <nick_> costyn: does that really make a huge difference to stability?
[18:12] <costyn> nick_: i believe it does, due to rotational inertia being much larger than a small compact box
[18:12] <nick_> You mean rotation around the axis of the cord?
[18:12] <costyn> it might still tilt up and down, but it shouldn't spin like a top like most payloads do
[18:12] <costyn> yes
[18:12] <nick_> OK
[18:13] <cuddykid> what's the maximum tx power on the ground allowed on the 434 band without a licence in UK?
[18:13] <nick_> That wasn't really what I was thinking of by stability, but maybe
[18:13] <costyn> nick_: well you get stability on all axes by spreading it out
[18:14] <costyn> nick_: but I would think the most useful one would be to get rid of the spin if you're sending along a videocamera
[18:14] <costyn> many videos I've seen were unwatchable due to all the swinging and turning
[18:14] <nick_> It's too tricksy for me to try and guess/calculate
[18:15] <eroomde> cuddykid: observe
[18:15] <cuddykid> eroomde: cheers
[18:15] Action: nick_ needs data
[18:15] <nick_> At some point soon I need to estimate the cost of some launches next year.
[18:17] <nick_> I've almost finished my outreach grant application
[18:17] <Hix> If I am testing my GPS parsing, can i use SoftwareSerial and get feedback via the usb monitor. Then when i have it working change to Serial?
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[18:17] <costyn> nick_: I don't have data, just intuition. :) but there have to be some serious downsides otherwise everybody here would be doing it; although most people send up still cameras and not video (on payloads with imaging)
[18:17] <nick_> Would everyone be doing it?
[18:18] <Hix> as I understand it when using hardware serial, there is no output for the monitor
[18:18] <nick_> Is there a lot of this kinda data shared?
[18:18] <nick_> Or even taken?
[18:18] <costyn> Hix: send debugging to the software serial pin, connec tyour gps to the hardware serial
[18:18] <Hix> ahh thanks costyn
[18:19] <costyn> Hix: conncect your ftdi or serial interface to the softserial tx pin (you don't need an rx pin)
[18:19] <nick_> Hix: using arduino?
[18:19] <costyn> nick_: what data do you mean?
[18:19] <nick_> Stuff like the how much stuff moves around during a flight.
[18:20] <costyn> nick_: no, no raw data that I've seen. I haven't heard people sending up accellerometers and such
[18:20] <costyn> nick_: but there's lots of videos on youtube which give a good indication
[18:20] <Hix> costyn: Yes Uno but I have a Prolific USB>Serial adaptor so can use that to monitor ss pin
[18:21] <costyn> Hix: perfect
[18:21] <Hix> Nice
[18:21] <nick_> I'm essentially an outside observer, but I' not sure that these kinds of issues would settle on the best solution because data collection and sharing is rather... haphazard?
[18:21] <Hix> Just need to parse GPS now :D
[18:21] <costyn> Hix: TinyGPS?
[18:22] <Hix> Yes - just started with TinyGPS as it seemed easiest
[18:22] <Hix> though apparently limited [not as much as me though]
[18:22] <costyn> nick_: I guess you're right. But there are a lot of very smart people here who spend a lot of time thinking about these things; and good ideas, once someone has one, tend to spread around quickly
[18:23] <costyn> Hix: no, it works ok I think. Would like to get additional nmea strings like vspeed and hspeed for my next payload. not sure if tinygps does that
[18:23] <costyn> speed reported by gps is apparently very accurate as it uses the doppler from the satellite signal to calculate it
[18:25] <Hix> costyn: I'm sure it does [work] but I am useless, so will have to learn it. Could you not add to TinyGPS.h and produce maybe HabGPS?
[18:25] <Hix> to get your additiona params
[18:25] <costyn> Hix: sure, there was a modified tinygps when tinygps didn't have the number of satellites yet, but the arduino 1.0 version does
[18:26] <costyn> Hix: but i haven't looked at it, and i'm no code wizard either :)
[18:26] <costyn> anyways, I need to go
[18:26] <costyn> Hix: good luck with the debugging :)
[18:26] <Hix> cool - seeya. Cheers for the tips
[18:26] <costyn> np, all stuff I got from others here, mostly Upu and daveake :)
[18:27] <Hix> gotta spread the questions around. share the pain equally
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[18:28] <N9ROY> I take it still no word?
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[18:51] <MrScienceMan> has anyone seen this http://cubieboard.org/
[18:53] <chris_99> not i, there seems to be a lot of stuff like that now
[18:53] <chris_99> http://gooseberry.atspace.co.uk/?page_id=13
[18:53] <chris_99> for instance
[18:54] <MrScienceMan> they just need to beat the Pi price
[18:56] <chris_99> apparently the GooseberryPi is just a board from chinese tablets
[18:56] <chris_99> so if you find the manufacturers...
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[19:43] <Costyn2> hi guys, playing with an E4000 sdr under windows. Hearing a strange wobble in the audio signal. Any ideas?
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[19:43] <joph> chris_99, it's still better than the raspberry ;)
[19:43] <joph> especially the sata port is nice
[19:43] <Costyn2> dl-fldigi isn't happy either, decoding only partially
[19:44] <chris_99> cool do you have one joph
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[19:48] <joph> no
[19:48] <joph> i already thought about contacting a chinese manufactor for a full pinout of the a10
[19:49] <chris_99> i've just been trawling alibab
[19:49] <chris_99> *alibaba
[19:49] <chris_99> to see if there was anything interesting
[19:50] <chris_99> http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/620682459/7_via_8850_tablet_pc_AllWinner.html
[19:55] <craag> All ready to go! Just waiting for a good prediction. https://www.thecraag.com/images/1/13/Hab_PreSetup_1.JPG
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[19:56] <nigelvh> Looks like you've got you a flight there.
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[19:57] <craag> Just a little pico one.
[19:57] <nigelvh> More economical to launch that way.
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[20:01] <Laurenceb_> WM8850 isnt allwinner
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[20:16] <Costyn2> hmm
[20:16] <Costyn2> why is my test payload appearing on the tracker
[20:17] <Costyn2> i thought it only appeared within the launch window (as specified in the payload doc)
[20:17] <Randomskk> Costyn2: no. at the moment all the parsed data goes to spacenear.us because we haven't written the filter for it yet
[20:17] <Randomskk> soonish, you'll have to click a link on spacenear.us to see testing telemetry
[20:17] <Randomskk> (and only stuff in-flight will show up by default)
[20:17] <Costyn2> Randomskk: I see... well sorry about this
[20:17] <Randomskk> it's no problem
[20:18] <Costyn2> well apexhab is doing their demo
[20:18] <Randomskk> probably nearly done with that. it's late at night
[20:18] <Randomskk> anyway I don't imagine your still appearing will impact their demo adversely
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[20:20] <Costyn2> ok
[20:20] <Costyn2> done now
[20:20] <Costyn2> you can nuke it from the tracker if you want
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[20:20] <Randomskk> sure?
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[20:21] <Randomskk> hyperion?
[20:22] <Costyn2> yes
[20:22] <Costyn2> thanks!
[20:22] <Hello_> Hi Im interested in building a ballon to launch to outer space
[20:22] <Randomskk> sadly balloons can only get to near space
[20:22] <Randomskk> no atmosphere in outer space so balloons can't really reach it
[20:23] <Hello_> Anyone would please kindly help me with the radio and GPS stuff because i have no idea about those things :S
[20:23] <Hello_> Well sorry. Near space is what i meant
[20:24] <Randomskk> this is a good place to ask questions, but you'll find most of the answers on http://ukhas.org.uk
[20:24] <Randomskk> in particular full details on things like radio and gps
[20:24] <Randomskk> and how to connect them and some ideas on what hardware you'll want
[20:24] <Hello_> I tried to but what i want is to learn how radio stuff works
[20:24] <Hello_> Imthere is no help about that on the web page
[20:25] <nigelvh> "Radio stuff" is not a very descriptive term for what you're trying to learn.
[20:25] <Laurenceb_> Randomskk: http://www.cabume.co.uk/blog/why-the-future-of-uk-tech-needs-to-be-more-about-arm-less-about-facebook.html
[20:25] <Hello_> Sorry. That is the problem. I know nothing about it
[20:25] <Laurenceb_> ^check out the photo
[20:25] <Randomskk> Laurenceb_: hah nice
[20:25] <Randomskk> my photos get used all over the place
[20:25] <Randomskk> it's great
[20:25] <Randomskk> also I agree with that title
[20:26] <fsphil> sheesh, now Randomskk is famous :)
[20:26] <Randomskk> would be nice if they linked to the flickr page. or used my name
[20:26] <Randomskk> nevermind
[20:26] <Randomskk> ladyada totally linked to that photo too
[20:26] <Laurenceb_> it credits you
[20:26] <Randomskk> yea I know
[20:26] <Randomskk> it's fine
[20:26] <MrScienceMan> water mark all your pictures
[20:26] <MrScienceMan> with your name
[20:26] <Randomskk> definitely not
[20:26] <MrScienceMan> :D
[20:26] <Randomskk> they're all CC-BY for a reason
[20:27] <fsphil> charge them an arm and a leg
[20:27] <Randomskk> but sometimes Ilike 'adam greig' instead :P
[20:27] <fsphil> oh
[20:27] <Hello_> My question is. Can anyone tell me a web page where i can learn this stuff?
[20:27] <Laurenceb_> "this stuff?"
[20:27] <nigelvh> "radio stuff" is an enormous field. You need to be more specific.
[20:27] <Hello_> Radio, GPS micro processors...
[20:28] <nigelvh> K, one at a time then.
[20:28] <Hello_> The basics to launch mynown balloon
[20:28] <nigelvh> For a beginner, buy an arduino and play with it.
[20:28] <Hello_> My own*
[20:28] <nigelvh> Then try adding a GPS to the arduino
[20:28] <nigelvh> after all that then try adding a radio
[20:28] <MrScienceMan> Randomskk: no exif data on that image :(
[20:28] <Hello_> But thats the problem. Which one should i buy. And how do i "play with it"
[20:29] <nigelvh> the arduino web site arduino.cc is an excellent resource for programming help and little projects.
[20:29] <DrLuke> buy an ublox
[20:29] <nigelvh> Lets leave the GPS till later
[20:29] <nigelvh> We need to start with the microcontroller
[20:29] <Randomskk> MrScienceMan: on what, their post or my one on flickr?
[20:29] <Hello_> How do u people know all this stuff?
[20:29] <MrScienceMan> their post
[20:29] <DrLuke> years of knowledge
[20:29] <MrScienceMan> link flickr :)
[20:29] <nigelvh> Lots of time playing with things
[20:30] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[20:30] <DrLuke> hey
[20:30] <Hello_> Must have taken a LOT of time
[20:30] <DrLuke> that's why it's a hobby
[20:30] <nigelvh> Many years
[20:30] <Hello_> True
[20:30] <Randomskk> MrScienceMan: http://www.flickr.com/photos/randomskk/2637802744
[20:30] <Lunar_Lander> hi nigelvh Hello_
[20:30] <Hello_> Any arduino reccommendations??
[20:30] <DrLuke> I'm spending so much time, I'm even going to study Electrical Engineering
[20:30] <Lunar_Lander> Hello_, from where are you?
[20:30] <nigelvh> If you're not sure which arduino to start with, try the Uno.
[20:30] <Hello_> Spain
[20:30] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:30] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[20:31] <nigelvh> It's the basic model and the one they base their tutorials on.
[20:31] <Lunar_Lander> one of the inventors of arduino is from htere?
[20:31] <Lunar_Lander> there
[20:31] <Hello_> Sorry for my english
[20:31] <MrScienceMan> Randomskk: are you using a mac ?
[20:31] <Randomskk> mostly ubuntu
[20:31] <Randomskk> I have a macbook air though
[20:31] <Randomskk> why?
[20:31] <Randomskk> solid 350k views on my flickr stuff. woo.
[20:31] <Hello_> What is the Uno??
[20:31] <MrScienceMan> the bown up image on their site has mac signature
[20:31] <nigelvh> That's the model of arduino
[20:31] <Randomskk> could be them resizing it
[20:31] <DrLuke> Hello_: The arduino uno is the most basic model you can get
[20:31] <nigelvh> It's the one shown on the arduino.cc home page.
[20:31] <Hello_> is it just called "uno"
[20:31] <DrLuke> yes
[20:32] <nigelvh> It's the arduino uno
[20:32] <Randomskk> look at the places my photos turn up
[20:32] <Randomskk> http://wyrk.com/tags/christmas-day/
[20:32] <Hello_> Thanks
[20:32] <Randomskk> so weird
[20:32] <Hix> Hello_: http://arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoBoardUno Uno
[20:32] <Randomskk> some random person on facebook: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=807794&l=a633c8cc82&id=215345841881783
[20:33] <MrScienceMan> exif:Model: Canon EOS 400D DIGITAL
[20:33] <Hello_> Thanks hix
[20:33] <MrScienceMan> a good man
[20:33] <MrScienceMan> i have the same model :)
[20:33] <Lunar_Lander> Hello_, cool nick btw :)
[20:33] <Randomskk> poetry stuff: http://thesocialpoets.blogspot.co.uk/2008_10_01_archive.html
[20:33] <Randomskk> some kind of news thing: http://science.kqed.org/quest/2011/07/26/stanford-students-create-kinect-powered-jedibot/
[20:33] <DrLuke> Hello_: A HAB maybe isn't the ideal platform to start electronics, there's a lot you can do wrong
[20:33] <Randomskk> etc etc
[20:33] <Randomskk> it's great fun to search google for
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[20:33] <MrScienceMan> Randomskk: have you set your name on the canon ?
[20:34] <Randomskk> no
[20:34] <DrLuke> Hello_: try something easier, like creating an LED cube or something
[20:34] <Hello_> Dr luke. I know.
[20:34] <Randomskk> as far as I'm aware you can't set the name on the camera itself
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[20:34] <Randomskk> and I don't bother setting it in post or anything
[20:34] <Hello_> LED cube?
[20:34] <Hix> welcome Hello_
[20:34] <DrLuke> Hello_: Also google is your friend :)
[20:34] <Randomskk> oh, I got on lifehacker once: http://lifehacker.com/5901003/dedicate-15-minutes-a-day-to-diy-projects
[20:34] <nigelvh> Hello_ http://www.instructables.com/id/The-4x4x4-LED-cube-Arduino/
[20:34] <DrLuke> you can find a lot of stuff there, like what an LED cube is
[20:34] <DrLuke> or what an arduino is
[20:35] <DrLuke> how it all works etc.
[20:35] <Hello_> Thnks everybody
[20:35] <MrScienceMan> Randomskk: on the cannon you can
[20:35] <Randomskk> MrScienceMan: in the camera's menu?
[20:35] <Randomskk> where?
[20:35] <MrScienceMan> if you get the software that comes on CD
[20:35] <MrScienceMan> no no, you cant from the camera you need the software
[20:35] <Randomskk> yea, figured as much
[20:35] <Randomskk> not fussed really
[20:35] <MrScienceMan> and you can set your name on the camera
[20:35] <Randomskk> ooh, some hardcore religious person too http://www.injesus.com/messages/content/291327
[20:35] <MrScienceMan> it gets written to every image you snap
[20:36] <MrScienceMan> ofc, they can strip it
[20:36] <Randomskk> if anything that sounds like a terrible idea
[20:36] <Upu> that your image Randomskk ?
[20:36] <Randomskk> I don't want to plaster my name over all the shit I take photos of :P
[20:36] <Hello_> Is it common in the UK for teens to know about this stuff?
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[20:36] <Upu> oh yes
[20:36] <Randomskk> Upu: all the random things I've been linking to is
[20:36] <Randomskk> are*
[20:36] <DrLuke> yes, electronics isn't magic
[20:36] <Upu> playing with Tineye ?
[20:36] <Randomskk> occasionally I get bored and google for "photo by randomskk" or "photo by adam greig" or just google images my name
[20:37] <nigelvh> I wouldn't say it's common though DrLuke
[20:37] <Randomskk> nah, mostly people give credit
[20:37] <nigelvh> Though I'm not from the UK
[20:37] <DrLuke> true
[20:37] <DrLuke> but everyone can do it
[20:37] <Randomskk> haven't bothered shoving my stuff into tineye
[20:37] <Randomskk> imagine I'd find a few more if I did
[20:37] <Upu> I googled my name and it shows a picture of a roll of pink gaffer tape
[20:37] <Hello_> Well im sorry if ive offended u drluke
[20:37] <fsphil> my bat photo turned up in an artical about getting rid of bats. not my intention :)
[20:37] <Randomskk> Upu: hehe perfect =D
[20:37] <DrLuke> Hello_: you didn't
[20:37] <Hello_> Its justb
[20:37] <Hello_> *just that im impressed
[20:38] <DrLuke> Also I lied, because SOMETIMES electronics can be like magic
[20:38] <Hix> fsphil: did you listen to R4 this morning?
[20:38] <Hix> prog on bats. Saving species
[20:38] <fsphil> didny
[20:38] <fsphil> will have to iplayer that
[20:38] <Randomskk> radio electronics is all like magic
[20:38] <Randomskk> in fact it is all magic, not even "like"
[20:38] <Hix> DrLuke: they contain magic smoke therefore they are magic
[20:38] <Hello_> Conclusion?
[20:38] <DrLuke> Hello_: Channels you might find useful: #electronics #arduino
[20:38] Nick change: Costyn2 -> bertrik
[20:38] <nigelvh> BTW upu,randomskk: got my boards finally for my transmitter based on KT5TK's PecanNut https://k7nvh.com/wordpress/?p=222
[20:39] <Hello_> Should i putbthat
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[20:39] <Randomskk> nigelvh: oh cool
[20:39] Nick change: bertrik -> bertrik_revspace
[20:39] <Hix> seconded, I've been off to #Arduino this evening to good effect
[20:39] <DrLuke> their topics contain some literature
[20:39] <Hello_> In the left corner??
[20:39] <Upu> nice purple boards :)
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[20:39] <Randomskk> nigelvh: looks nice
[20:39] <Randomskk> does it work?
[20:39] <nigelvh> Yeah, not that the color was important, but it's a cool side bit
[20:39] <Upu> nigelvh https://dl.dropbox.com/u/63720513/Images/PCB%20Pictures/IMG_1025.JPG
[20:39] <fsphil> that's all rather snazzy nigelvh
[20:40] <Upu> you win on via top trumps
[20:40] <DrLuke> needs more vias
[20:40] <Randomskk> more vias you say?
[20:40] <Randomskk> wombat had a full 600 iirc
[20:40] <Randomskk> https://randomskk.net/u/wombat.png
[20:40] <Randomskk> or was it 200
[20:40] <Randomskk> can't remember
[20:40] <nigelvh> Originally I had the top right section with vias too, but I replaced it with a little proto area.
[20:40] <Randomskk> very many, for a 5cm board
[20:40] <Upu> jesus :)
[20:41] <Randomskk> http://www.flickr.com/photos/randomskk/6954487281/
[20:41] <DrLuke> MORE vias!
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[20:41] <Laurenceb_> kicad is nice
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[20:41] <EarthBreeze> test
[20:41] <Upu> so many small comps when using ADF7012 :)
[20:41] <Laurenceb_> but its just... rather annoying
[20:41] <fsphil> at this rate there'll be a shortage of vias soon
[20:41] <Upu> EarthBreeze success as usual
[20:41] <daveake> Nice pic .. http://randomaerospace.com/Random_Aerospace/Welcome.html
[20:41] <EarthBreeze> OK, who was looking for simple payload stability for a video flight system?
[20:41] <Upu> oh yes nice
[20:42] <daveake> :)
[20:42] <nigelvh> Anyway randomskk, I haven't tried the transmitter yet, but I do know the proc, vcxo, regulator, and temp sensors are all in working order
[20:42] <fsphil> You would have gotten an A grade EarthBreeze but due to changes in how we mark tests, you only get a B
[20:42] <Randomskk> nigelvh: excellent :D good luck with the radio!
[20:42] Action: Laurenceb_ passes Randomskk some propanol
[20:42] <Randomskk> if it Just Works do let me know
[20:42] <Randomskk> fsphil: how topical, full points
[20:42] <EarthBreeze> mark test?
[20:42] <fsphil> yay
[20:42] <nigelvh> Yeah, I'll keep you posted. So far I haven't found any board errors, but I shouldn't really say that aloud.
[20:42] <fsphil> I'm just being silly EarthBreeze, ignore me :)
[20:43] <DrLuke> silly brits
[20:43] <Upu> how long did it take you to make that up nigelvh ?
[20:43] <EarthBreeze> was just wondering he he he
[20:43] <nigelvh> Soldering the board together? Or the fiddling the eagle files?
[20:43] <Upu> the soldering I can work the Eagle bit out :)
[20:43] <EarthBreeze> who ever was lookingh fos stability on balloon flight ceck this out
[20:43] <EarthBreeze> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXfNJoLLpI8
[20:44] <nigelvh> Upu: I soldered that up in probably about 3-4 hours. With dinner and some other fiddling in there for a bit too.
[20:44] <Upu> its impressive
[20:45] <nigelvh> None of my parts were sorted, so I had to search the digikey box each time I needed a new part
[20:45] <nigelvh> Also, writing test code and assembly documentation while doing it.
[20:45] <nigelvh> That way others can put it together and make sure it works.
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[20:46] <nigelvh> Test code was nothing fancy though, so not much time spent there. (Blink LEDs if alive)
[20:46] <Upu> well hope it all works, send it our way :)
[20:47] <nigelvh> Like I said, so far so good on the testing, but I haven't done any RF out of it yet. In any case, I'll probably publish the eagle files when I'm sure there aren't any errors.
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[20:49] <nigelvh> There is one mistake, but doesn't have too bad of an impact. I put an 0603 pad for an 0805 part, but it's still not to hard to solder on there.
[20:49] <Upu> you can make that fit
[20:49] <nigelvh> You can see them, they're the four larger light blue wire inductors.
[20:49] <Randomskk> you might even be able to spec 0603 parts
[20:50] <nigelvh> Not wire wound at 1.2uH
[20:50] <Randomskk> hmm
[20:50] <Randomskk> fair enough. it does get awkward
[20:50] <Randomskk> plenty of wirewound at 0402 and less, but that high an inductance is trickier
[20:51] <nigelvh> Yeah, so I'll just replace those pads with 0805, and if I go to a higher band where I need less inductance, then the 0603 part will fit on the 0805 pad fine.
[20:51] <Laurenceb_> i find murata make the best smd inductors
[20:52] <nigelvh> I think I may have some of theirs on here. Though I used a number of different manufacturer's inductors to get the various values and higher self resonant frequencies.
[20:54] <Laurenceb_> yeah its har
[20:54] <Laurenceb_> *hard
[20:54] <nigelvh> Anyway, got a meeting now, so I'm out. Have a good afternoon!
[20:54] <Laurenceb_> theres parasitical capacitance and low tolerance to consider
[20:54] <Laurenceb_> cya
[20:54] <Laurenceb_> *parasitic
[20:54] <Laurenceb_> lol parasitical why the hell did i say that
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[20:58] <MrScienceMan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9S-NzsUD5w&feature=g-vrec
[20:58] <MrScienceMan> wow
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[21:04] <fsphil> human modem
[21:05] <MrScienceMan> thats easily 40wpm
[21:06] <Randomskk> doing that all day will wreck your hands
[21:06] <Randomskk> hello rsi
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[21:24] <Hix> so this guy on #Arduino gave me a method for parsing NMEa using csv. Anyone seen or used that before?
[21:25] <fsphil> they're the same format basically
[21:25] <fsphil> comma separated values
[21:25] <Hix> i couldn't get TinyGPS to work at all on 1.0.1
[21:30] <fsphil> odd. I've not used tinygps, but it should be fairly standard stuff
[21:30] <MrScienc1Man> http://code.google.com/p/trackuino/source/browse/trackuino/gps.cpp?repo=firmware
[21:30] <MrScienc1Man> trackuino has a nice method for parsing
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[21:32] <Hix> Ahh nice find MrScienc1Man
[21:32] <ke5rhe> any word on earth breeze ii today?
[21:33] <MrScienc1Man> Hix: at least thats the one I used for TINY
[21:33] <MrScienc1Man> with some modifications
[21:33] <fsphil> don't believe so ke5rhe
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[21:35] <ke5rhe> wish there was something I could do to help
[21:35] <ke5rhe> buy there is a really good station just south of me so its not worth setting up a monitor
[21:35] <fsphil> I know the feeling
[21:35] <fsphil> I suspect it's probably on the ground now
[21:36] <ke5rhe> yeah, sounds like an APRS radio should be on these things for the unexpected. But i really loved the idea of potential worldwide propagation from a balloon
[21:37] <Hix> hmm MrScienc1Man, think having looked at it, that's probably for about 3 years down th eline for me :)
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[22:43] <Lunar_Lander> hello radim_OM2AMR
[22:44] <radim_OM2AMR> Hi Lunar_Lander, can't you sleep ? :-D
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[22:44] <Lunar_Lander> xD not really
[22:45] <D-Pac> hi everyone
[22:45] <radim_OM2AMR> I'm just thinking how can I add telemetry to our videos...
[22:48] <MrScienc1Man> what sort of telemetry?
[22:49] <radim_OM2AMR> from csv, for example altitude, outside temperature
[22:49] <radim_OM2AMR> I mean post-production of videos
[22:49] <MrScienc1Man> yes
[22:49] <MrScienc1Man> is it at equal intervals?
[22:50] <radim_OM2AMR> yes, in the same interval as rtty packets
[22:51] <MrScienc1Man> what i did is generate the frames of data, time them and render a video with just that
[22:52] <MrScienc1Man> then blend it together with the footage in post
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[22:53] <radim_OM2AMR> oh, isn't easy way
[22:53] <MrScienc1Man> nope
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[22:53] <MrScienc1Man> atleast i dont know of one :)
[22:54] <MrScienc1Man> are looking for something fancy or just text?
[22:54] <radim_OM2AMR> :-)
[22:54] <radim_OM2AMR> just text will be fine - enough
[22:54] <MrScienc1Man> i can render the video for you
[22:54] <radim_OM2AMR> maybe something to do with subtitles
[22:55] <MrScienc1Man> just the text and you can blend it with your footage?
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[22:56] <radim_OM2AMR> it's too much work, I can't ask you for it ;-)
[22:56] <MrScienc1Man> its mostly automated trust me
[22:56] <MrScienc1Man> im lazy
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[22:57] <Hix> What version of TinyGPS are you guys using and if Arduino, which version of that? It's a bloody minefield....
[22:57] <radim_OM2AMR> what apps are you using to do it ? my data are in csv file
[22:57] <MrScienc1Man> csv is fine
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[22:58] <radim_OM2AMR> and things are little bit complicated as I have videos divided to 20 minutes chunks with 2 secs between them
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[23:01] <MrScienc1Man> you can sync it all together in something like sony vegas for example
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[23:01] <Hix> radim_OM2AMR: I looked at this a while ago for a frind interested in motorsport
[23:01] <Hix> http://www.dashware.net/
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[23:03] <MrScienc1Man> i thought those only used the videos with gps data included in them
[23:04] <radim_OM2AMR> Hix, nice one
[23:04] <Hix> nope - "Bring in data from any CSV, GPX, TCX and NMEA files. Most telemetry data loggers on the market export to one or more of these formats."
[23:04] <Hix> I reckon you can just time stamp the video and synch the csv to timestamp
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[23:05] <MrScienc1Man> no idea
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[23:07] <radim_OM2AMR> Hix, it's really impressive
[23:08] <radim_OM2AMR> I think for HAB video should be enough some text info in thr bottom
[23:09] <radim_OM2AMR> MrScienc1Man, what are you using, if it's not kind of secret
[23:09] <MrScienc1Man> its a combination of things to render the frames and then put them into a video
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[23:10] <radim_OM2AMR> ok, for rendering the csv to frames, what are you using
[23:10] <MrScienc1Man> imagemagik
[23:11] <Hix> radim_OM2AMR: I like the HUD effect. Very HAB
[23:11] <Hix> http://i.imgur.com/nIOUZ.png
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[23:13] <radim_OM2AMR> Hix, yea, you can put telemetry and position on the screen, nice one
[23:13] <radim_OM2AMR> MrScienc1Man, ok in the Imagemagick - thre you have kind of automation to generate frames
[23:14] <radim_OM2AMR> there
[23:15] <radim_OM2AMR> &and then - you are using nosou4u
[23:15] <radim_OM2AMR> sorry&
[23:16] <radim_OM2AMR> and then you are using something to put the frames to video, like ffmpeg ?
[23:16] <MrScienc1Man> yeah ffmpeg
[23:16] <MrScienc1Man> i shell script something to do the images with imagemagik
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[23:18] <radim_OM2AMR> I remember simillar way - I have surveilance pictures - jpg from cam, then I in shell script adding timestamps and description, after that I'm creating videos, so that's the way :-)
[23:19] <MrScienc1Man> i think most video editing softwares
[23:19] <MrScienc1Man> have plugins to render timestamps
[23:19] <MrScienc1Man> in various formats
[23:20] <radim_OM2AMR> ok, thank you very much for ideas how to do it :-)
[23:20] <MrScienc1Man> good luck
[23:21] <radim_OM2AMR> thanks, good night
[23:21] <Hix> yeah show us the results. And if you can document the process, it could be very cool :)
[23:21] <Hix> gn
[23:22] <Lunar_Lander> good night radim_OM2AMR
[23:22] <radim_OM2AMR> Hix, yes of course, I will document it
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[23:23] <MrScienc1Man> gn
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[23:24] <Hix> gn
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[23:30] <ronald454> So has the baloon been found yet?
[23:30] <Hix> see you guys.
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[23:31] <Hix> think AWOL, from what people dais earlier
[23:31] <Hix> said
[23:32] <ronald454> I hear what sounds like slowscan on 10.145 usb
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[23:32] <N0AMT> New to digital modes, using HRD DM780, should I be set to RTTY-45 mode?
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[23:48] <N0AMT> New to digital modes, using HRD DM780, should I be set to RTTY-45 mode to listen for the earthbreeze baloon?
[23:56] <W0OTM> Howdy
[23:58] <ronald454> I don't know who the modiator is, n0amt RTTY-Mode 45 should be correct, the baloon is missing from what info I had gotten earlier today, so if you hear anything let the control know.
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