highaltitude.log.20120910

[00:00] <EarthBreezeLaunc> Ballast balloon is filling....
[00:00] <griffonbot> Received email: =?utf-8?Q?John_Underwood?= "RE: [UKHAS] dl-fldigi feedback/bug report request"
[00:01] <Randomskk> ooh nice work there griffonbot
[00:02] <Lunar_Lander> a ballast balloon EarthBreezeLaunc ?
[00:03] <Lunar_Lander> like on Earthwinds?
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[00:06] <WB8ELK> yep...just like Earthwinds
[00:07] <EarthBreezeLaunc> thanks Bill for answering questions while I'm away.
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[00:09] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[00:09] <WB8ELK> http://www.qsl.net/nss/earthbreeze.html
[00:10] <WB8ELK> There's the description of today's flight
[00:11] <EarthBreezeLaunc> Thanks again Bill.
[00:11] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[00:12] <WB8ELK> I'm amazed you are able to type while inflating a balloon
[00:12] <EarthBreezeLaunc> well right now it's boring at best 40 liters a minute, done at 00:30
[00:13] <WB8ELK> compressed air or nitrogen for the ballast balloon?
[00:13] <Lunar_Lander> I really hope the balloon works
[00:13] <EarthBreezeLaunc> Us Too
[00:13] <Lunar_Lander> if I remember correctly, Newman's final balloon failed when the ballast balloon burst
[00:13] <Randomskk> how are you measuring the fill volume of the ballast balloon?
[00:14] <WB8ELK> Actually the vent in the ballast balloon froze up from moisture that collected at the bottom of the balloon
[00:14] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[00:15] <WB8ELK> the one prior to that crashed into a peak in the Sierra Nevada range...I was the one who told Barron Hilton that his balloon had crashed while he was passing out cigars and champaign
[00:15] <Randomskk> good timing ;)
[00:15] <WB8ELK> the ballast balloon just barely hit the mountain peak
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[00:15] <Randomskk> aww :(
[00:15] <WB8ELK> yep...Hilton almost killed the messenger (me)
[00:15] <Lunar_Lander> oh
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[00:15] <Lunar_Lander> wasn't it like that there was one more flight inbetween?
[00:16] <Lunar_Lander> that one like drifted 200 miles to california
[00:16] <WB8ELK> the flight in between was cut down before liftoff
[00:16] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[00:16] <Lunar_Lander> I remember five attempts
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[00:16] <Lunar_Lander> one at Akron where WX was bad
[00:16] <WB8ELK> the one with the frozen ballast floated for several hours over Nevada
[00:16] <Lunar_Lander> then the mountain crash
[00:16] <Lunar_Lander> the cutdown
[00:17] <WB8ELK> I was also at the one in Akron but too high winds
[00:17] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[00:17] <Lunar_Lander> and then the drift with frozen valves
[00:17] <WB8ELK> they slid down the mountain in the capsule
[00:17] <KE5RHE> Greetings everyone
[00:17] <Lunar_Lander> and the final one was that the ballast balloon burst at 37000 ft
[00:17] <Lunar_Lander> that was December 31st, 1994
[00:17] <WB8ELK> yes...that's right
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[00:17] <Lunar_Lander> and then Newman had a parachute accident somehow
[00:18] <Lunar_Lander> preventing him to fly more balloons
[00:18] <EarthBreezeLaunc> amouint of air being inserted is measured via a flow gauge.
[00:19] <WB8ELK> I first met Larry Newman while he was flying an America West jet over Texas...I talked to him on 20 meter ham band
[00:19] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[00:19] <WB8ELK> great Joe
[00:19] <WB8ELK> I did a talking GPS payload for Earthwinds
[00:19] <Lunar_Lander> I think he brought a ham radio on Double Eagle II which was valuable because the main radio didn't work first
[00:20] <WB8ELK> that's why they put one on Earthwinds
[00:20] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[00:20] <Lunar_Lander> IIRC the first guy he got on the line was like
[00:20] <WB8ELK> my voice GPS was going to send the position report using their ham radio every 30 minutes
[00:20] <Lunar_Lander> "Is this an emergency call?"
[00:20] <WB8ELK> in voice
[00:20] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[00:21] <WB8ELK> we had classrooms everywhere that were going to listen for it
[00:21] <Lunar_Lander> and when he said that it wasn't he like cut them off
[00:21] <Lunar_Lander> oh
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[00:22] <WB8ELK> I still have the module...I'll send you a photo of it....private message me your email Lunar
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[00:22] <WB8ELK> anyone hearing Joe's transmitter yet?
[00:23] <Lunar_Lander> I think I also once read details of the capsule
[00:23] <Lunar_Lander> like two honda propane-fuelled motors or so
[00:23] <Lunar_Lander> for generating power
[00:23] <Lunar_Lander> and the LHe for refilling the top balloon
[00:24] <EarthBreezeLaunc> 8 min to go, then we will start filling the lifting balloon.
[00:25] <Lunar_Lander> wasn't Richard Branson with the team while still at Akron?
[00:27] <WB8ELK> Yes I met with Richard at Akron
[00:28] <EarthBreezeLaunc> Bill,, a question,, sun has set,, how lond do we have to wait to make sure the balloon does not rise back into it again?
[00:28] <WB8ELK> nothing heard here as yet in Alabama...probably needs to get the antenna off the ground to be able to hear it
[00:28] <WB8ELK> depends on your expected ascent rate Joe
[00:28] <WB8ELK> I think you're safe
[00:29] <WB8ELK> since it has set for awhile now
[00:29] <KE5RHE> Hey guys, are they planning on trying tonight?
[00:29] <WB8ELK> yes in about 30 minutes
[00:29] <WB8ELK> 10.145 MHz USB center freq of 1600 hz
[00:29] <KE5RHE> very cool. I am monitoring from east wisconsin
[00:29] <WB8ELK> KB9KHO/B
[00:30] <EarthBreezeLaunc> pretty slow 8 oz
[00:30] <WB8ELK> you'll be ok then
[00:32] <EarthBreezeLaunc> Ballast filled, changing over tp lifting balloon
[00:35] <WB8ELK> with that ballast balloon providing drag....you'll probably go up under 200 ft/min with 8 oz of positive lift
[00:36] <WB8ELK> think I heard it a bit that time
[00:39] <psophis> Where is it launching from?
[00:40] <WB8ELK> Wisconsin
[00:40] <psophis> Oh cool, that's not far from me. Wish I had a radio.
[00:40] <MJCU> Good North Atlantic jetstream this evening. What is the predicted course?
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[00:42] <WB8ELK> probably due East for about 200 miles then will park itself over that point in the minimal winds around 75,000 feet
[00:42] <WB8ELK> maybe head back West again...I'll have to check the winds to make sure
[00:42] <RalphW0RPK> Would it be reasonable to save raw data in http://robertharrison.org/listen/view.php so we have a clean file for EarthBreeze?
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[00:43] <EarthBreezeLaunc> Balloon lifting it's own weight.
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[00:43] <WB8ELK> Hi Ralph....I believe that's where it will go but they've been changing things around some on Spacenear....but there is now a way to parse out only the EarthBreeze data from that page
[00:45] <DanielRichman> view.php does not include data from people using the latest dl-fldigi, and includes bad lines and duplicate lines when two listeners upload the same thing
[00:45] <DanielRichman> after the flight we can dump a list of good strings in order from the database easily
[00:46] <EarthBreezeLaunc> is anyone else hearing it?
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[00:47] <WB8ELK> Daniel...how and where do we view the raw data on the new FLdigi
[00:47] <WJ9H> No signal yet in Madison WI (EN53ga).
[00:47] <WB8ELK> I heard it briefly here in Alabama
[00:47] <WB8ELK> EM64oj
[00:48] <EarthBreezeLaunc> Ok still in the ground of course
[00:48] <kb9zwl> Nothing in Eau Claire, WI.
[00:48] <WB8ELK> but nothing now
[00:48] <DanielRichman> WB8ELK: until a week ago http://habitat.habhub.org/ept/ - but as it says, that is temporarily offline since it needs an upgrade. In the meantime I can make dumps by hand.
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[00:48] <DanielRichman> to make up for it, here's a more fun link http://habitat.habhub.org/stats/
[00:49] <DanielRichman> [note that the stats were reset on saturday and include flights from then onwards]
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[00:49] <DanielRichman> however with that I'm going to have to go to sleep
[00:49] <EarthBreezeLaunc> Gonna shut her down for a bit so it can reset, getting cloe.
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[00:51] <DanielRichman> alternatively - the ept link will be working again quite soon (a day or so), and we won't delete the data (ever) so you may come back and get it whenever you want
[00:51] <DanielRichman> we'll also be importing data we have backed up from the old system at some point (more distant future)
[00:51] <WB8ELK> sounds good
[00:53] <M0JCU> DanielRichman, is there a way of getting the current position out of the new database easily?
[00:57] <DanielRichman> yes, certainly. I assume you mean to use in a program?
[00:59] <WJ9H> Loud and wide S7 data burst on frequency about every 20 minutes. Fortunately they're brief.
[00:59] <M0JCU> That;s the idea. On the old version I had to read the last few lines of view.php each time
[01:00] <DanielRichman> okay. We use couchdb so you may query the database directly
[01:01] <DanielRichman> you will need to know the document id of the payload you want to get info on
[01:01] <DanielRichman> can be hardcoded or present a selection
[01:01] <DanielRichman> which programming language are you using?
[01:01] <M0JCU> I guess CouchDB is available as a C++ lib?
[01:01] <M0JCU> beat me
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[01:01] <EarthBreezeLaunc> WEW HAVE LIFTOFF!
[01:01] <WB8ELK> wow....that was LOUD
[01:01] <WB8ELK> great copy here...S9
[01:02] <AlanWB5RMG> still finishing supper, I'll be listening shortly...
[01:02] <WB8ELK> Loud and clear here in Alabama
[01:02] <WB8ELK> you sound like a local Joe
[01:02] <AlanWB5RMG> Hi Bill, are you copying S9 from the farmhouse ?
[01:03] <WB8ELK> shift is more like 240 Hz though
[01:03] <WB8ELK> Yes strong signal
[01:03] <DanielRichman> unfortunately not M0JCU - I had to write the beginnings of a couchdb lib myself to connect dlfldigi to it
[01:03] <DanielRichman> it should have enough features to do what you want though
[01:03] <WB8ELK> weaker that time...no copy
[01:03] <AlanWB5RMG> nothing here on my vertical... /;^( Maybe some later...
[01:04] <WB8ELK> shift is about 250 Hz wide on the RTTY
[01:04] <DanielRichman> I have to go but I can give you links to the things on github
[01:04] <M0JCU> What language does it use?
[01:04] <DanielRichman> couchdb?
[01:04] <WB8ELK> Daniel...can you send me some of the links as well
[01:04] <M0JCU> Yes
[01:05] <DanielRichman> written in erlang ; javascript and python are popular client languages
[01:05] <M0JCU> Good night Daniel. (BTW. It should be M0JCU/A - I'm in Ottawa at the moment :)
[01:05] <DanielRichman> we use python for everything we can and coffeescript/javascript if we have to
[01:05] <M0JCU> OK. Will have to write an interface
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[01:05] <DanielRichman> ok links:
[01:05] <WB8ELK> was S9 right at takeoff...now much weaker
[01:06] <DanielRichman> https://github.com/ukhas
[01:06] <DanielRichman> all habitat code ^^
[01:06] <DanielRichman> of interest to you is habitat-cpp-connector, which contains CouchDB.cxx
[01:07] <AL0I_Todd> Quite strong here, still trying to get it centered in the narrow filter
[01:07] <M0JCU> Fantastic
[01:07] <DanielRichman> the closest example to what you want to do is in habitat-autotracker repo, file controller.py
[01:07] <M0JCU> I'll have a go at it when I get some free time
[01:07] <AL0I_Todd> Much weaker here now, too
[01:08] <DanielRichman> in there is a function that gets a balloon's position from its payload ID
[01:08] <WB8ELK> I had good copy on that last one
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[01:08] <WJ9H> Weak signal here, no decode yet [EN53ga]
[01:08] <DanielRichman> i.e., the name of the view to use abd what arguments. The python should translate well to cpp since CouchDB.cxx is similar
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[01:10] <EarthBreeze> OK I'm inside now can't see it anyore
[01:10] <WB8ELK> good signal here in Alabama
[01:11] <WB8ELK> but taking some fades
[01:11] <WB8ELK> 240 hz shift from the look of it though
[01:11] <WB8ELK> N4XWC is about 50 miles south of me and is also copying it
[01:11] <WJ9H> Switched to 240 Hz, almost got a decode.
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[01:12] <WB8ELK> wish it transmitted twice...that way could fill in the gaps
[01:13] <WJ9H> Decode! Signal S2 at Madison WI.
[01:13] <WB8ELK> missed just one letter that time
[01:14] <EarthBreeze> 300 feet a min pretty slow.
[01:14] <WB8ELK> figured you would be a slow ascent
[01:15] <WB8ELK> what with that big drag on the ballast balloon
[01:15] <WB8ELK> how come my reports aren't showing up on SpaceNear using the new dl-FLdigi
[01:15] <WB8ELK> they are showing up as green
[01:15] <WB8ELK> anyone still online that has an answer for that?
[01:16] <EarthBreeze> where in the n 4 station?
[01:16] <WB8ELK> about 50 miles south of me
[01:16] <WJ9H> Mine aren't showing up either.
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[01:16] <WB8ELK> I might have to go back to the older version of dl-FLdigi
[01:17] <WJ9H> I deleted my old version, may have to reinstall.
[01:18] <WB8ELK> I'll try running both at once and see what that does
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[01:18] <WB8ELK> yep...that did it
[01:18] <WB8ELK> Hi Shane....I see that you are copying the balloon
[01:19] <WB8ELK> apparently you can run both versions...new and old
[01:19] <WJ9H> Signal S3 now, assume I'm hearing it line-of-sight rather than by skywave.
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[01:21] <WJ9H> In the distance display box, it shows 1.188e+004. 11,880? What units?
[01:21] <EarthBreeze> she's turning some
[01:23] <WB8ELK> always takes a fade and I lose a character or two
[01:23] <WB8ELK> next time Joe...have it repeat the frame
[01:23] <EarthBreeze> I supose, have to sk Carl
[01:23] <WB8ELK> Missed the first $ that time
[01:23] <EarthBreeze> hey is carl even in here?
[01:24] <WB8ELK> havent seen him
[01:24] <EarthBreeze> what do those men anyway?
[01:24] <EarthBreeze> mean
[01:24] <WB8ELK> Just indicates the start of the message
[01:24] <WB8ELK> like in NMEA GPS sentences only two of them
[01:25] <WB8ELK> keep missing a character or two
[01:26] <WB8ELK> otherwise great copy on it
[01:27] <EarthBreeze> how strong?
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[01:27] <WJ9H> Decoding about 90% of transmissions, just not uploading with the new version.
[01:27] <KC8UCH> good luck with the flight, guys! -robert
[01:27] <EarthBreeze> well that sux any cure?
[01:27] <WB8ELK> S2 to S-3
[01:27] <WB8ELK> I put it back to the old version
[01:28] <WB8ELK> actually I'm running both the old and the new version
[01:28] <EarthBreeze> I finally had to get off the dummy olad vertical with 20 db attenuator it's still 40 over here
[01:29] <N4XWC> Nice copy here just South of Bill. When no QRM & no fade!
[01:29] <stilldavid> sorry, I'm late to the party here. what's the predicted flight path?
[01:29] <N4XWC> I set my shift to 240Hz...seems like it may be a little better copy.
[01:29] <EarthBreeze> in the sky
[01:29] <stilldavid> wondering if I should set up on 30m after supper in Colorado
[01:29] <EarthBreeze> south?
[01:29] <EarthBreeze> he he he
[01:30] <WB8ELK> Shane N4XWC is about 50 miles south of me
[01:30] <N9XTN> what's the expected float altitude?
[01:30] <KA9QFJ> Joe, any idea of time aloft?
[01:30] <EarthBreeze> Bill I actually never ran prediction, if this should malfunction where do you think it will go?
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[01:30] <WB8ELK> There I got one to go through with perfect copy
[01:30] <EarthBreeze> 33 minutes we lifted off at 8:01
[01:31] <WB8ELK> the new version seems to truncate the data sent
[01:31] <KA9QFJ> No, predicted total time
[01:31] <N4XWC> I just can't ever remember how to enter my lat/long in fldigi to make me show up on the map! :(
[01:31] <KA9QFJ> days? more?
[01:31] <WB8ELK> nice copy that time....S3
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[01:32] <EarthBreeze> If it works as hoped, it could fly as long as the balloons last
[01:32] <WJ9H> Online with version 3.20, just decoded and uploaded!
[01:33] <WB8ELK> actually looks like 250 Hz shift but not way to set it to anything but 240
[01:33] <WB8ELK> Yep...see you WJ9H on the decode
[01:33] <WB8ELK> beautiful S-3 signal that time
[01:34] <N9XTN> float altitude?
[01:34] <EarthBreeze> i'm still listening with the 200 shift and decoding should i open it up some?
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[01:34] <WB8ELK> aha...there Carl decoded that one
[01:35] <WB8ELK> probably set it up to 240 Hz when it gets weaker Joe
[01:35] <KC8UCH> n9xtn... web documentation says 70k feet
[01:35] <EarthBreeze> yeah I never had a signal like this, the waterfll is giant wide!!
[01:36] <N9XTN> winds look extremely light at 70kft, may hang around Wisconsin for a while
[01:36] <WB8ELK> it's drifted up in frequency a bit
[01:37] <WB8ELK> hi Mark...what's the jet stream doing over WI?
[01:37] <WB8ELK> S-4 that time
[01:37] <WB8ELK> but took a static hit on one number
[01:38] <WJ9H> Good evening N9UDO!
[01:38] <WB8ELK> wish you had a temp sensor on this one
[01:38] <N9XTN> Winds SFC-50kft generally NW-N
[01:39] <kc9doa> Good signal here just can't get a full decode
[01:39] <WB8ELK> what's the max winds Mark?
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[01:39] <N9XTN> about 60-70 kt at 30-38 kft
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[01:39] <N9XTN> NW
[01:40] <WB8ELK> so looks like it'll be hanging around WI for awhile
[01:40] <WB8ELK> maybe Ilinois
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[01:40] <WJ9H> Hi Steve!
[01:40] <N9UDO> Hello
[01:41] <Lunar_Lander> is the EarthBreeze in the air?
[01:41] <kc9doa> $$KB9KHO/B,0045,01:40:15ì+43.47·435,-090.073830,03300M,*5D E1 õ ¬¦
[01:41] <KA9QFJ> Leave it to Stever!! Hey there!
[01:41] <N9UDO> $$KB9KHO/B,0046,01:41:15,+43.469423,-090.070255,03369M,*52
[01:41] <N9UDO> Hey Bill!
[01:42] <WB8ELK> nice copy !!!
[01:42] <KA9QFJ> flyin again! wish i had rrty here
[01:42] <KA9QFJ> rtty
[01:42] <WB8ELK> download dl-FLdigi
[01:42] <KA9QFJ> work on a new shack this winter
[01:42] <EarthBreeze> NOT The NEW ONE!!
[01:42] <KA9QFJ> huh?
[01:43] <WJ9H> Package is about 35 mi NW of me. "Distance" display on fldigi says "1070898.3", no idea what the units are, not meters or feet.
[01:43] <WB8ELK> I'll see if I can find the old version of dl-FLdigi
[01:43] <KA9QFJ> Bill ELK does that work over the net? been away from radio too long
[01:43] <Lunar_Lander> is the EarthBreeze in the air?
[01:43] <kc9doa> got gree with 254 shift
[01:44] <WB8ELK> yes....all you do is to hook the audio into your sound card
[01:44] <WJ9H> Lunar_Lander, yes, launched about 45 min ago.
[01:44] <WB8ELK> how did you set it up for 254 shift?
[01:44] <KA9QFJ> on a laptop here
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[01:44] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[01:44] <Lunar_Lander> how high is it?
[01:45] <WJ9H> KB9KHO/B Time: 2012-09-10 01:44:15 Position: 43.444433,-90.059313 Altitude: 3579 m Rate: 1.2 m/s
[01:45] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[01:45] <N9XTN> Bill/Joe - if the balloon goes farther south, the more likely the 60-80 kft winds might push it slowly west rather than slowly east. A lot depends on exact float alt
[01:45] <WB8ELK> ok...I see how to do that now
[01:45] <WJ9H> S4 here in Madison now.
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[01:46] <KE5RHE> Ive been listening from oshkosh but not picked up anything yet.
[01:46] <KE5RHE> dial 10.145, USB right?
[01:46] <N9UDO> S4 on Dipole, S7 on vertical
[01:46] <WJ9H> Yes
[01:47] <WJ9H> I'm set for 1726 Hz center freq w/240 Hz RTTY shift
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[01:50] <KE5RHE> thanks.
[01:50] <KA9QFJ> Joe SBD any nav lights on it? can it be seen from the ground?
[01:50] <EarthBreeze> nope
[01:50] <KA9QFJ> ok
[01:51] <WJ9H> S5 in Madison, solid copy on telemetry.
[01:52] <KA9QFJ> transponder? NOTAMS for night flights? How's that work?
[01:52] <EarthBreeze> it's gonna be midnight till float happens,, crap!
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[01:52] <WB8ELK> Joe...you were planning on getting sleep tonight?
[01:52] <WB8ELK> or the next few nights?
[01:52] <WB8ELK> Hi Robert
[01:53] <EarthBreeze> why never do nyway!
[01:53] <EarthBreeze> now got a reson to stay up
[01:53] <Lunar_Lander> OK people, it's 3.53 am here and I think I need to get to bed
[01:53] <Lunar_Lander> thanks for meeting you!
[01:53] <WJ9H> Good morning Lunar!
[01:54] <Lunar_Lander> :) good morning
[01:54] <WB8ELK> always takes a fade or one static hit...otherwise would be perfect copy every time
[01:54] <KA9QFJ> QTH Lunar?
[01:54] <Lunar_Lander> one moment
[01:55] <KA9QFJ> local plus 6... UK maybe?
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[01:55] <Lunar_Lander> JO42CG
[01:55] <Lunar_Lander> north-west germany
[01:55] <WB8ELK> shift is now 280 Hz
[01:55] <KA9QFJ> tnx
[01:56] <Lunar_Lander> you are welcome
[01:56] <WJ9H> Auf Wiedersehen
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[01:57] <Lunar_Lander> :) good night!
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[01:57] <N9UDO> 2liveDrew!
[01:58] <EarthBreeze> Hi Drew.
[01:58] <KC9LJK> It's mix master Steve!
[01:58] <KC9LJK> How's it going guys?
[01:59] <EarthBreeze> it be flyin'
[01:59] <WJ9H> S5 sigs at WJ9H, about 28 mi NW of me.
[01:59] <KC9LJK> Any live video?
[01:59] <WB8ELK> wow...it copied perfectly even in that strong PACTOR signal
[02:00] <KE5RHE> what is causing the shift to change?
[02:00] <WB8ELK> just happened to be in the null gaps
[02:00] <WB8ELK> temperature is dropping
[02:01] <WB8ELK> sunset and going higher
[02:01] <WB8ELK> into the colder air
[02:01] <KE5RHE> oh, so the clock is likely drifting a bit?
[02:01] <WB8ELK> Crystal drift...yep
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[02:04] <EarthBreeze> I'm back
[02:04] <w5vsi> howdy Joe. Looks like yer flyin'! Just got back from XYL's b'day dinner.
[02:04] <EarthBreeze> what's for inner?
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[02:05] <KB9VMC> Hi Joe, Sorry I didn't make it up. Got your email late. Just got on here. Is all going as expected?
[02:06] <N9ROY> Hi Joe, Got your email too late also. Sorry.
[02:06] <EarthBreeze> so far more or less, rate of climb is slower than expected
[02:06] <KC9LJK> Joe, where do we signup for the email?
[02:07] <EarthBreeze> just drop me ae mil
[02:07] <EarthBreeze> fat fingers here
[02:07] <EarthBreeze> drop me an e mail
[02:07] <N9ROY> seems kind of slow, but maybe a good thing?
[02:08] <EarthBreeze> yes and no sadly it will be changed into the long duration mode before it reaches float altitude
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[02:09] <KB9VMC> What effect will that have. Will it not stay up or will it begin to lose altitude at that point.
[02:10] <WB8ELK> how often is the updates in long duration mode?
[02:10] <EarthBreeze> one a min for 120 minutes
[02:10] <EarthBreeze> then once every 5
[02:11] <EarthBreeze> alternating between rtty and cw
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[02:11] <EarthBreeze> so it's for sure in the long distance mode long before float happens
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[02:15] <WJ9H> Signal S6 here, package about 26 mi WNW of my QTH.
[02:15] <EarthBreeze> n4xwc in china huh?
[02:16] <N4XWC> I ate a heavy dinner and fell thru! Trying to figure out the format!
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[02:17] <WB8ELK> minus sign in front of the longitude Shane
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[02:17] <EarthBreeze> I'm Bak
[02:18] <EarthBreezeLaunc> KA9CHM
[02:19] <EarthBreeze> Gonna be a long night
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[02:21] <EarthBreeze> Hi Mark
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[02:23] <EarthBreeze> Greetings!
[02:24] <N0TRQ> Hiya Joe... looks like ya'll got another off the ground... expecting this one to stay up a while huh?
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[02:25] <AL0I_Todd> Bill, did you get my (AOL) email?
[02:27] <w5vsi> Hearing a decent sig wid sum QRN - can't decode it wid PK-900 set for 110 baud ASCII tho - just garbage.
[02:27] <EarthBreeze> if it flys as pland a long while
[02:28] <EarthBreeze> vsi we widened the shift to the next step wider matches closer
[02:28] <WB8ELK> Hi Todd...haven't checked AOL today
[02:28] <EarthBreeze> to what the payload is actually transmitting
[02:28] <WJ9H> Estimate package speed at 42.7 mph to the SSE.
[02:28] <WB8ELK> Mike...it's about 270 Hz shift at the moment
[02:28] <w5vsi> OK - the 200 Hz demod shows a bit of skew on the 'scope, but bars on TNC are centered.
[02:29] <w5vsi> Mebbe I have a 300 Hz demod - will check QRX
[02:30] <N9UDO> @Joe - Probably won't be in here too long. Will leave equipment on and decoder running for flight duration.
[02:30] <WJ9H> S8 signals here, just about at closest approach to me at 19 miles.
[02:30] <KA9QFJ> Hi Rick ROY, Brad VMC
[02:31] <EarthBreeze> steve how wode do you have your tones set at?
[02:32] <N9UDO> Currently at 270 shift, 1827 center on 10.145.100
[02:33] <EarthBreeze> OK same here, it's running wider that it should, might be pretty cold? hard to say.
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[02:33] <N9UDO> Up to 1834 on current freq.
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[02:35] <EarthBreeze> 26K feet
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[02:36] <KA9QFJ> good morning G8KNN
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[02:37] <EarthBreeze> Hi Bill
[02:38] <KB9VMC> Hey Bill. Joe how long do you expect this one to fly/
[02:38] <KA9QFJ> Tell the balloon to turn due East, go 25 mi., and you can land in my driveway
[02:39] <EarthBreeze> well, If it fails, it will need to get to about 33000 meters to cause balloon pop... so do some math to see how long it will take to get that high,, and if it does not fail,, then as long as the balloons last.
[02:39] <WJ9H> Just figured out my dl-fldigi distance issue, had my QTH lat/long with decimals in wrong places. I can see correct distance now, 25.0 mi.
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[02:39] <KA9QFJ> recovery plans???
[02:40] <EarthBreeze> depends on where it lands he he he
[02:40] <KB9VMC> Should call it the Ronco, fly and forget it
[02:41] <EarthBreeze> ronco?
[02:41] <KA9QFJ> Set it and forget it
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[02:41] <KA9QFJ> not that i ever owned one
[02:41] <EarthBreeze> ahhh, I was thinkng pocket fisherman
[02:42] <KA9QFJ> W9YYZ had one of those
[02:42] <EarthBreeze> he was here with his daughter halped launch
[02:42] <EarthBreeze> shake & Baka and I helped
[02:42] <KA9QFJ> casting it was, ummm ineffective
[02:42] <KA9QFJ> bring a wrist rocket
[02:42] <KB9VMC> Cool. Will was bummed we didn't make it. So was I.
[02:43] <EarthBreeze> Lionda sot lot of pic's and videos.
[02:43] <KA9QFJ> good deal
[02:43] <EarthBreeze> maybe I'll works on some of them while we wait for things to happen.
[02:44] <KB9VMC> good, would like to see them sometime. You expect this one to stay in the area or cruise the world
[02:44] <EarthBreeze> where I hope it parks it will stay local soeed was less tha 1 mph.
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[02:45] <EarthBreeze> I havent eaten yet, I'm gonna warm up a brat be back in a bit
[02:45] <KA9QFJ> the ascent graph is almost linear
[02:45] <EarthBreeze> yup just a few bumps
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[02:46] <KA9QFJ> NEAR SPACE SCIENCE IS COOKIN' JOHNSONVILLE BRAAAaaats!!!
[02:46] <N9ROY> Hi Bill, sorry, was busy here.
[02:47] <KA9QFJ> NP Rick
[02:47] <N9ROY> long time no hear
[02:47] <KA9QFJ> indeed
[02:47] <KA9QFJ> workin on that
[02:48] <KA9QFJ> shack/bench project commenses soon
[02:48] <N9ROY> hey Joe, why you worried about aborting. It still climbing, albet slowly
[02:48] <KA9QFJ> commences
[02:48] <N9UDO> GN all. Leaving equipment on. Signing off. Seventy Trees!
[02:48] <KA9QFJ> l8r udo
[02:48] <N9ROY> I need to re-do my shack here too
[02:48] <N9ROY> 73 Steve
[02:48] <KA9QFJ> brad got you up ear;y?
[02:48] <WJ9H> G'night Steve
[02:49] <N9UDO> Always.
[02:49] <N9ROY> nitey nite...
[02:49] <KA9QFJ> probably going to area 51 or something
[02:49] <N9UDO> shhhhh.....
[02:49] <KA9QFJ> LOL
[02:49] <EarthBreeze> I'm back
[02:49] <KA9QFJ> 73 UDO
[02:49] <WJ9H> Just had closest approach (perigee?) to WJ9H at 23.1 mi, now receding and signal dropped to S7.
[02:50] <EarthBreeze> tom what antenna u using?
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[02:52] <EarthBreeze> 93 miles and 30 over
[02:53] <N9ROY> Joe, why you talking about aborting. It is still climbing, slowly, but still climbing
[02:53] <EarthBreeze> I wasn't
[02:53] <KA9QFJ> joe, what is being sent down from the pkg?
[02:53] <EarthBreeze> RF
[02:53] <KA9QFJ> tnx
[02:53] <EarthBreeze> he he he
[02:54] <KA9QFJ> boo
[02:54] <EarthBreeze> right now just lat long and alt
[02:54] <KB9VMC> got me laughing
[02:54] <KA9QFJ> copy
[02:54] <KA9QFJ> smarty
[02:54] <KA9QFJ> ;-)
[02:54] <KA9QFJ> brb
[02:54] <EarthBreeze> almost 1/2 way there
[02:55] <EarthBreeze> gonna be midnight if it gets float
[02:55] <N9ROY> how do you bookmark in Chrome?
[02:55] <EarthBreeze> don't remember
[02:55] <N9XTN> click star on right side of url box
[02:55] <EarthBreeze> wow just switched to long term mode
[02:56] <EarthBreeze> 13 below c outside
[02:56] <KE5RHE> very cool!
[02:56] <N9ROY> damn, I didn't know that. Thanks N9XTN
[02:57] <EarthBreeze> and 0 c inside
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[02:58] <WJ9H> No signals heard here for nearly 3 minutes...
[02:59] <WJ9H> Oh, just switched to 5 minute mode. Whew.
[02:59] <N9ROY> Joe said it went to 5 min updates. Long term mode
[02:59] <EarthBreeze> yup it has switched into long float mode once every 5 minutes from now on and alternating between rtty and cw so open another program window and set it up for cw. so both are running
[02:59] <AL0I_Todd> 'Night. Good luck on the float!
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[03:00] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[03:00] <N9ROY> Time for me to quit too. See ya here tommorrow
[03:00] <KA9QFJ> was just outside - several inbound flights to MSN
[03:00] <N9ROY> nite all
[03:00] <w5vsi> OK - set up fldigi in RTTY > Custom mode 240 Hz 8N1 and got good decode here in Littleton CO.
[03:01] <KA9QFJ> 73 rick
[03:01] <EarthBreeze> we are running custom 270 right now
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[03:02] <WJ9H> Got second instance of fldigi running in CW mode now, screen's getting crowded!
[03:02] <EarthBreeze> surprised it's 15 deg warmer in the box
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[03:02] <EarthBreeze> howdy wayne!
[03:02] <W9YYZ> Hey There!
[03:03] <EarthBreeze> still crusin'
[03:03] <W9YYZ> Looks likes its moving right along..
[03:03] <KA9SZX> So, what are the frequencies again?
[03:04] <EarthBreeze> 10.145 USB
[03:04] <KA9QFJ> hi wayne
[03:04] <EarthBreeze> upper tone at 2300 and shift that fits nice is 270
[03:04] <EarthBreeze> you should be copying it.
[03:04] <EarthBreeze> mark
[03:04] <W9YYZ> Hey Bill! I'm seeing the signal at a solid S9 on an inverted V at my qth..
[03:05] <w5vsi> OK - set custom carrier shift and 270 Hz. Tought to fine tune rcvr on 5 sec sig every 5 mins.
[03:05] <EarthBreeze> CW running now
[03:05] <w5vsi> Getting 599 CW now
[03:06] <WJ9H> Don't think I've ever heard a : in CW before.
[03:06] <WJ9H> 589 here
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[03:07] <KA9QFJ> hi tom
[03:08] <n9pqj> Hi Bill
[03:08] <EarthBreeze> in 5 min will be the rtty sig
[03:08] <WB8ELK> pretty weak here now...copied some of that CW but in the noise with the PACTOR
[03:09] <EarthBreeze> now ya know my life with your flights he he he
[03:09] <KA9SZX> Will run downstairs to see if I can pick it up.
[03:09] <WB8ELK> yep
[03:09] <WB8ELK> payback
[03:09] <WB8ELK> ;-)
[03:09] <EarthBreeze> wow it's nice here with 20 db attenuator still in yet it's is still 20 over
[03:09] <AlanWB5RMG> I haven't heard anything here, but my 5BTV is not so good on 10MHz.
[03:09] <WJ9H> The CW appeared to receive cleanly but nothing "decoded" in fldigi.
[03:09] <EarthBreeze> and got rig squelched so alls quiet he he he
[03:10] <AlanWB5RMG> I don't see W5VSI on the map, maybe Mike doesn't have his station defined completely in dl-fldigi...
[03:11] <WB8ELK> it's weak here now Alan
[03:11] <EarthBreeze> yeah I guess the CW dooesn't tell the mapping program. but that was a good one it's getting cold outside 21 below, inside still 0? hmmmm
[03:11] <WB8ELK> did you put a Mr. Fusion unit inside Joe?
[03:12] <EarthBreeze> yup with plenty of beer and banana peels
[03:12] <WB8ELK> there ya go
[03:12] <WB8ELK> that should do it
[03:12] <KA9QFJ> MMMMmmmm, space beer
[03:13] <WB8ELK> should be line of sight to you Mark SZX
[03:13] <EarthBreeze> remember the label talks about if the balloon was exposed to beer....
[03:13] <WB8ELK> exactly....if balloon has beer
[03:14] <EarthBreeze> I'll have to complain to Paul,, mine did not have any beer
[03:14] <WB8ELK> they have fixed it in the latest batch
[03:14] <EarthBreeze> awww it was classic from the beginning!
[03:14] <EarthBreeze> so what it now say?
[03:14] <KA9SZX> OK, I am running rather slow here, I should fire up my monitor point but not sure what settings are needed.
[03:15] <EarthBreeze> cw shortly
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[03:18] <EarthBreeze> K B 9 K H O / B ,01 2 4 , 0 3 * 1 5 : 1 5 , P 4 2 . 626735 ,W089.368215,12285M,085K,132D,07.32V,07.64V,N24C,N00C 77
[03:18] <KA9SZX> Bill, ELK, I am going to give you a call.
[03:18] <N9QIP> GOOD LUCK with the flight...Joe...I got to check out another big day at the office tomorrow....73
[03:19] <KA9SZX> Bill, got your voice mail.
[03:19] <WB8ELK> hang on...I'll call you
[03:19] <WB8ELK> after this next RTTY telemetry
[03:19] <KA9QFJ> 73 Len
[03:19] <EarthBreeze> 73 len
[03:20] <EarthBreeze> rtty shortly
[03:20] <EarthBreeze> wow 27 below
[03:21] <EarthBreeze> seems less drag Bill it's speeding up as it gets higher
[03:21] <KA9QFJ> BRRRRR!
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[03:22] <WB8ELK> I noticed the same thing with my flight...it sped up as it got higher
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[03:22] <EarthBreeze> thats -33 deg below F
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[03:22] <KA9QFJ> doesn't that make sense? higher winds aloft?
[03:22] <EarthBreeze> look at the atitude curve plot it is slightly concave
[03:22] <WB8ELK> I heard the CW at 0315 but heard nothing on RTTY at 0320z
[03:23] <EarthBreeze> 20 over here still
[03:23] <KA9QFJ> very slight
[03:23] <EarthBreeze> $$KB9KHO/B,0125,03:20:15,+42.582991,-089.305833,12867M,083K,131D,07.16V,07.50V,N27C,N00C*78
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[03:23] <EarthBreeze> wheres mark?
[03:24] <WB8ELK> which one....SZX or NG0X?
[03:24] <EarthBreeze> szx
[03:24] <WB8ELK> Mark is in Macomb, Illinois
[03:24] <EarthBreeze> he should hve great sig
[03:24] <WB8ELK> yep...he should be within line of sight circle now
[03:24] <EarthBreeze> i mant on line reciever wise
[03:25] <EarthBreeze> cw
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[03:27] <WB8ELK> Skip is getting too long for me...can barely hear it now
[03:27] <WB8ELK> have to try some internet radios
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[03:27] <WJ9H> CW is 559 now, looks like package is near Beloit WI.
[03:27] <EarthBreeze> 29 below now
[03:28] <KA9QFJ> the ascent curve parabola starts at 7500m - agreed joe?
[03:29] <EarthBreeze> maybe a little less like 6K? but 315 square feet of flapping material I bet has a lot of drag
[03:29] <KA9SZX> Bill Will give you another call.
[03:29] <KA9SZX> voicemail still. Bill Give me a call.
[03:30] <EarthBreeze> Mark can you hear it?
[03:30] <WJ9H> Joe, what's the diff between Battery Voltage Supplied and Battery Voltage? Is "Supplied" from the solar panel?
[03:30] <WB8ELK> nothing heard at all in Alabama anymore
[03:31] <WB8ELK> ok Mark...calling now
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[03:31] <EarthBreeze> yeah supplied are the cells that are connected and charged via the panel, the other are back up energizer lithiums that the payload switches to when the others get too low.
[03:32] <EarthBreeze> but ar room temps I ran the thing for like a week and it never ever went to the back up cells
[03:33] <EarthBreeze> RPK or BMF here?
[03:33] <KC0BMF> bmf here
[03:34] <KC0BMF> hearing nothing
[03:34] <EarthBreeze> yeah it's gotta be right below your horizon it looks like
[03:35] <KC0BMF> where is CW showing up on the waterfall ??
[03:36] <WJ9H> She just crossed into IL.
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[03:38] <EarthBreeze> I slid way off freq for minute sorry anyone answer that question for him?
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[03:40] <KA9QFJ> Balloon needs to get some Beef-A Roo in Rockford!
[03:41] <EarthBreeze> huh?
[03:41] <KA9QFJ> Ma n Pa place there
[03:41] <KA9QFJ> and A Green River soda
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[03:41] <EarthBreeze> almost 50K
[03:42] <KA9QFJ> I crossed paths with Bun E Carlos there
[03:42] <EarthBreeze> that sounds bad
[03:42] <KC0BMF> I'll monitor rtty 270 hz shift and 2300 upper edge ( as last post seen ) and watch for CW.
[03:43] <EarthBreeze> thanks everyone that is in here tracking this thing.
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[03:43] <KC0BMF> thank you for giving us something to monitor
[03:45] <KA9QFJ> wha???
[03:45] <KA9QFJ> Joe, really?
[03:45] <EarthBreeze> cw now at about 2600
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[03:47] <w5vsi> CW still 579 in CO. FB Joe!
[03:47] <EarthBreeze> wow 37 below
[03:48] <EarthBreeze> thanks. Carl mde the payload so we gotta congratulate him. His payload my flight system.
[03:49] <KA9SZX> OK, I think I have my receiver on line and audio coming in.
[03:49] <EarthBreeze> about time dumbss he he he
[03:49] <WJ9H> I retuned radio to 10.146 USB in case the audio drifted up out of my passband overnight...
[03:49] <EarthBreeze> just picking on ya iude!
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[03:50] <EarthBreeze> the afc is working great but yeah maybe make the tones a bit lower so it's got room to walk
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[03:50] <EarthBreeze> wow did nyone copy that one? it seemed the shift got even wider!!
[03:51] <WB8ELK> Yep...10.146 is where I'm at now....shift is nearly 300 hz
[03:51] <KA9SZX> Joe, I was not knowing you were going to do this or I would have set this up earlier. Also my dad is up from Florida so it is tough for me to break away on stuff like this.
[03:51] <KA9SZX> I am not hearing much here.
[03:52] <EarthBreeze> just yanking ur chin ude? are you not on my mass e mail list tho?
[03:52] <WJ9H> I got a longitude of -089.036846 but no lat. Alt = 16237m, 057K,124D,06.62V,06.98V,N39C,N00C*7B
[03:52] <EarthBreeze> chin? CHAIN! UG?
[03:52] <KA9SZX> Yea, I was getting it but again Dad is up from Florida.
[03:52] <EarthBreeze> yeah I opened the shift to 300 like Bill is for the next one
[03:53] <EarthBreeze> ahhhh
[03:53] <KB9VMC> leaving for now. See ya later. Will check back in when I can.
[03:53] <WJ9H> I was at 300 but it looked wider than that, will try 320 now.
[03:53] <WJ9H> 'night Brad
[03:53] <EarthBreeze> have fun Brad
[03:53] <KA9QFJ> 73 brad
[03:54] <KB9VMC> Thanks, 'night all
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[03:54] <KA9SZX> When will the next burst of data occur?
[03:54] <EarthBreeze> pretty soon
[03:54] <EarthBreeze> dont remember if it will be rtty or cw this time
[03:57] <EarthBreeze> Carl you in here?
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[03:59] <KC8UCH> good luck... will check back tomorrow and maybe tune up the radio if it's near here... 73
[04:00] <WJ9H> Got most of that one
[04:00] <EarthBreeze> wow the RTTY is even wider than that!
[04:01] <WJ9H> 04:00:15 - +42.303888,-088.964443,17381m
[04:01] <EarthBreeze> you try 340, i'll try 350 on the nxt one.
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[04:02] <WB8ELK> looks like it was around 340 Hz shift
[04:02] <WB8ELK> I didn't copy it since it was too wide and not enough time to tune it in
[04:02] <KA9SZX> Bill, do I need to change the setting here?
[04:02] <WJ9H> OK, I'm at 340 Hz. Speed was 048K, 134D, 06.54V, 06.90V, N41C, N00C
[04:02] <WB8ELK> I'm listening on the Wisconsin globaltuner radio
[04:02] <EarthBreeze> same here I got the last part
[04:03] <EarthBreeze> +42.303888,-088.964443,17381M,048K,134D,06.54V,06.90V,N41C,N00C*75
[04:03] <EarthBreeze> 41 below brrrr
[04:03] <WB8ELK> The Trevor, WI globaltuner radio had a good signal
[04:04] <WB8ELK> skip is too long for me now...hear nothing directly
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[04:04] <EarthBreeze> SZX can you hear it?
[04:04] <WJ9H> I plot it over the east side of Rockford IL right on I-90.
[04:04] <KA9SZX> I had a line of red dots come down on my waterfall , assume that was it?
[04:05] <EarthBreeze> hard to say other sigs on the band
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[04:06] <WJ9H> Not hearing any CW at the scheduled time...
[04:06] <EarthBreeze> hmmm lost track of time here.
[04:06] <KA9SZX> I did shift my shift to 340 HZ.
[04:07] <EarthBreeze> cool
[04:07] <w5vsi> Has the VHF APRS beacon quit?
[04:08] <EarthBreeze> never had one
[04:08] <w5vsi> OK - so all the data going to the spacenear map is from the HF RTTY?
[04:08] <EarthBreeze> yup
[04:08] <w5vsi> Gutsy!
[04:09] <EarthBreeze> rtty should be soon
[04:10] <KA9SZX> If my receiver works it will be the first time it has been able to pick up a balloon and actually assist in this program.
[04:10] <w5vsi> BTW, slick idea of using a separate superpressure balloon for ballast!
[04:11] <WJ9H> I heard a brief RTTY burst about 1500 Hz above where KB9KHO should be, no other signals.
[04:11] <EarthBreeze> same here
[04:11] <WJ9H> Partial decode
[04:11] <EarthBreeze> there it was It's ass is freezing off did you see that signal?
[04:12] <w5vsi> The last fix on the map was at 0340Z - over half hour ago.
[04:13] <KA9SZX> I heard it once weak here and nothing since.
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[04:14] <WJ9H> The data I rec'd doesn't make sense, 11184m and 712K?? Lat -84 and Lon +184?
[04:14] <w5vsi> Listening to 30m in the other room. Nothing heard for 10+ minutes.
[04:14] <WB8ELK> Just heard it
[04:14] <WB8ELK> about 350 to 360 hz wide
[04:14] <WJ9H> Joe, I tuned back to 10.145 MHz and went to a 380 Hz wide shift.
[04:14] <WB8ELK> moved quite a bit in frequency and drifted a lot during the transmission
[04:15] <EarthBreeze> yeah did you see it slide?
[04:15] <WB8ELK> yep...slid quite a bit during the transmission
[04:15] <WB8ELK> i'm back on 10.145 around 950 hz
[04:15] <w5vsi> Didja cold soak it, Joe?
[04:15] <WJ9H> That whole frame is suspect, but I got 06.13V, 06.48V, N44C
[04:16] <EarthBreeze> anyone have gues what altitue it might be at?
[04:16] <WB8ELK> also...seems to be on a different time slot now
[04:16] <EarthBreeze> nope on the cold soak he he he
[04:16] <WB8ELK> well...we'll know for sure after sunrise ;-)
[04:16] <w5vsi> Yer doin' one as we speak hi hi!
[04:16] <WJ9H> Well, I got 11184, which if accurate means it's lower than it was.
[04:17] <w5vsi> Once it gets above the tropopause, outside air temp will come up a bit - fingers crossed.
[04:18] <WJ9H> And no CW again at 04:15
[04:18] <w5vsi> Not sure where the tropopause is today - but it gets tall in the summer.
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[04:19] <EarthBreeze> it should be nearing 20K meters. if my math is right...
[04:19] <KA9SZX> Bill, will the program remember my settings if I call this back up in the morning?
[04:20] <KA9SZX> My computer wants to reboot and I keep telling it NO!
[04:21] <w5vsi> Based on the 1.9 m/s ascent rate at 15km alt at 0340Z, if ascent rate is fixed, then I figger it's about 64K' now - close to float.
[04:21] <EarthBreeze> I agree.
[04:22] <WJ9H> RTTY's about 2 min overdue
[04:22] <WB8ELK> I believe it will Mark
[04:22] <EarthBreeze> it was screwey and late lst time too.
[04:22] <w5vsi> Joe, were those Li-ion or LiPo rechargeables?
[04:23] <KA9SZX> I will stick around a while longer but if I am going to get up early I need to get to bed.
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[04:23] <EarthBreeze> I actually do not remember, but no matter if they got too low it should switch to the energizers anyway, they still were over 7 volts at least telemetry
[04:24] <WJ9H> It's a little TOO quiet.
[04:24] <w5vsi> OK - nice to have a backup. Are the energizers Li or just alkaline?
[04:24] <EarthBreeze> yup I feel the batteries are OK, but the brain is froe?
[04:24] <EarthBreeze> Li
[04:25] <w5vsi> rr - OK, they oughta hold up down to mebbe -40C.
[04:25] <EarthBreeze> not good awful quiet he he he
[04:25] <WB8ELK> my last flight was at -47 deg C for hours
[04:25] <WB8ELK> on the AA lithiums
[04:26] <WB8ELK> then they froze up and came back on after sunrise
[04:26] <KA9SZX> There are no other beacons on board, correct?
[04:26] <WB8ELK> so looks like you might have to wait for sunrise Joe
[04:26] <w5vsi> Well, we're QNP on 30m now, so guess I'll say 73 es GL, Joe. Will be QRV agn in AM.
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[04:26] <EarthBreeze> thing is last valid I got panel batts were 6.99 and energizers were 7.35 the machine runs find down to below 5 volts before switching
[04:26] <KA9SZX> What was the last altitude reading?
[04:26] <WJ9H> Joe, I'll hang out through 11:30 then will need to bail out.
[04:27] <EarthBreeze> Based on the 1.9 m/s ascent rate at 15km alt at 0340Z, if ascent rate is fixed, then I figger it's about 64K' now - close to float.
[04:27] <WB8ELK> that sounds about right
[04:27] <w5vsi> Agree :=)
[04:27] <EarthBreeze> too bad it's froe
[04:28] <EarthBreeze> froze
[04:28] <WB8ELK> unless that drifting signal was caused by the antenna twisting around during descent?
[04:28] <WJ9H> ZSX, I decoded 11,184m at 04:00z but that's when the signal was drifting a lot, so I can't trust the numbers.
[04:28] <WB8ELK> but you were flying a 1500 gram balloon on the top right?
[04:28] <KA9SZX> I just hope that as it crossed over the state line it was up above 40K.
[04:28] <w5vsi> Descent? Say it ain't so, Bill!
[04:28] <EarthBreeze> only if the balloon was faulty Burst was gonna be close to 110K feet nd no way did it get up there
[04:28] <WJ9H> Sorry, not 04:00, 04:10.
[04:28] <WB8ELK> Decent Ascent is what I meant to say ;-)
[04:29] <EarthBreeze> yup
[04:29] <w5vsi> Whew!
[04:29] <EarthBreeze> on the 1500
[04:29] <WB8ELK> so yep...long long ways until burst if the bottom balloon has a failure
[04:29] <EarthBreeze> yup
[04:30] <WB8ELK> and at that slow of an ascent rate....you're almost guaranteed a float regardless of the ballast balloon
[04:30] <KA9SZX> I will fire up my receiver in the morning and check this out guys. Will have a busy day at work so hope it does not drift around too much.
[04:30] <w5vsi> BTW, BZ on getting the electronics so efficient that they can run off solar cells! how neat is THAT?
[04:30] <WB8ELK> night Mark
[04:31] <EarthBreeze> BZ?
[04:31] <WB8ELK> Bouncing Zombies?
[04:31] <w5vsi> Bravo Zulu. Naval pennant signal for "well done" (and over easy :-)
[04:31] <EarthBreeze> ahhhh
[04:31] <WB8ELK> gotcha
[04:32] <WJ9H> Joe, I need to call it a night. Will leave everything running and check in the morning. Hopefully the pkg is just hibernating and wakes up at sunrise. -73-
[04:32] <KA9SZX> Have a good night everyone. Thanks Bill for helping me set up the receiver. Hope it works well for you Joe in the morning. 73 everyone.
[04:32] <WB8ELK> see you Mark
[04:32] <EarthBreeze> it ran for 3 weeks on just the panel and no back up energizers and it never dropped below 6.3 volts
[04:32] <EarthBreeze> take care mark
[04:32] <WB8ELK> Joe...you might want to tune up and down a bit in case we are missing it due to freq drift
[04:32] <w5vsi> And I'm going SK for the nite as well. Will check in agn in the AM. 73 de Mike W5VSI QRT sk
[04:32] <KA9SZX> Have a good night.
[04:33] <WB8ELK> I found some very lightweight solar cells at Dayton
[04:33] <EarthBreeze> can we open the window on the program some too?
[04:33] <WB8ELK> fellow said NOAA was using them for balloons
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[04:33] <WB8ELK> I bought a stack of them
[04:34] <WB8ELK> you can...but depends on your audio passband on your radio if that makes a difference
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[04:34] <EarthBreeze> nah this has to be software cutoff it tops too sharp a flat brick wall and 3000
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[04:35] <WB8ELK> Can't find where to open the waterfall out....but most audio passbands on radios are from 300 to 3000 hz anyways
[04:35] <EarthBreeze> I'm beginning to think that curvy one was the last we may hear onight
[04:36] <WB8ELK> I know you can do that in MultiPSK
[04:36] <WB8ELK> I'm thinking the same thing....that usually is a sign that it's freezing up.....the fact that it was not the right time as well says it was freezing up
[04:37] <EarthBreeze> yeah it was getting later and later
[04:37] <KC0BMF> back in the AM... 73 4 NOW
[04:37] <EarthBreeze> thanks BMF
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[04:38] <WB8ELK> well...on its current heading it might be heading my way
[04:38] <WB8ELK> but likely it will just park itself over northern Illinois
[04:38] <kc9doa> configure - waterfall - FFT Processing- upper limit It rolls off about 3.6k max
[04:38] <WB8ELK> a repeat performance of the O
[04:38] <EarthBreeze> yeah the wnds at that level were like nothing
[04:38] <WB8ELK> Ohara landing
[04:38] <WB8ELK> Ohare
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[04:39] <EarthBreeze> nah, gotta do an nother new one
[04:39] <WB8ELK> Sears Tower this time?
[04:39] <EarthBreeze> caught on one of the antennas
[04:39] <WB8ELK> yep...that would be a fun recovery
[04:40] <WB8ELK> It's actually tracking almost the same path as the Ohare one
[04:40] <EarthBreeze> I wonder what that is
[04:40] <EarthBreeze> that same short sig burt right up at the 3K point
[04:41] <WB8ELK> think that's PACTOR
[04:42] <WB8ELK> I'll tune higher and see if I can hear anything
[04:42] <EarthBreeze> I just did also
[04:43] <EarthBreeze> i'm at 10145.6
[04:44] <WB8ELK> me too...10.145.5
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[04:45] <EarthBreeze> Is anoyone lft in here
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[04:46] <EarthBreeze> Looks like u and me Bill
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[04:47] <EarthBreeze> Hey Bill a question
[04:47] <WB8ELK> yep
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[04:49] <EarthBreeze> run a prdiction using the 1.8 m/s rise to 110k FEET and burst,and come down with the streamer chute system, No actual parachute figured 315 square feet of bag would make plenty of drag. with these numbers estimated landing spot?
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[04:51] <WB8ELK> let me check
[04:52] <N9QIP> Hey joe... wish we could have made a v-low pwr aprs for this fligbt
[04:53] <EarthBreeze> wow youre still in here?
[04:54] <N9QIP> Im on my smart dumb phone
[04:54] <EarthBreeze> len I described what we do and shoed them a few videos, and they gave the full bells and whistles pro version!
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[04:57] <N9QIP> ii was listening on 10.145 for a while, but had to call it a nite. Now in bed but will prollt fall asleep zoon
[04:57] <EarthBreeze> still there Len?
[04:58] <EarthBreeze> as wild as this flight is, I was amazed at the little interest from the group there was.
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[04:59] <N9QIP> I'm excited but alot on my plate at the moment
[05:00] <EarthBreeze> same here, but mkes a nice distraction too
[05:01] <WB8ELK> Aurora, Illinois just west of Chicago
[05:02] <EarthBreeze> I came up with right around Joliet
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[05:02] <WB8ELK> about the same
[05:03] <EarthBreeze> well sunup is ummmmm?
[05:03] <WB8ELK> mine is showing about 15 miles NW of Joliet
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[05:03] <WB8ELK> around 6 am I think
[05:04] <N9QIP> So do you figger new sunshine will revive the sig? And maybe somebody will hear it again.
[05:04] <WB8ELK> if its hanging from the Sear Tower we'll get a great signal from it
[05:05] <WB8ELK> Joe...I'm heading to bed...will look for it in the morning
[05:05] <EarthBreeze> some other over night flights like this after the sun warm them up some they come back to life
[05:05] <EarthBreeze> how long was you last one lost Bill?
[05:05] <WB8ELK> very likely it'll come back alive after sunrise particularly since you have a solar panel on it
[05:05] <EarthBreeze> kbt froe each night too diddn't they?
[05:05] <WB8ELK> the one I just did?
[05:06] <EarthBreeze> the one that went to texas
[05:06] <WB8ELK> it froze up at midnight....then came back alive around 7 am
[05:06] <EarthBreeze> about the same as here then.
[05:06] <WB8ELK> but the APRS kept working all night long except for a gap of about 45 minutes
[05:07] <EarthBreeze> cool what ap unit was it?
[05:07] <WB8ELK> a new one from Doppler DF...the folks that made that audio beacon
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[05:07] <EarthBreeze> audio beacon?
[05:07] <WB8ELK> the Squawkbox
[05:08] <EarthBreeze> huh,,,
[05:09] <EarthBreeze> I've been seriously thinking of the Mineral il idea warm that stuff to the limit of high temp of components fill payload then launch!
[05:09] <WB8ELK> http://www.silcom.com/~pelican2/PicoDopp/XDOPP.htm#MBCN
[05:09] <WB8ELK> http://www.silcom.com/~pelican2/PicoDopp/MICROHUNT.htm#SQBX
[05:10] <WB8ELK> probably get too hot
[05:10] <WB8ELK> but since you are only transmitting every 5 mins it would be ok
[05:10] <EarthBreeze> thats what mean warm it to the upper limit so it stays warm a long time he he he
[05:11] <WB8ELK> my bubble wrap payloads get up to 50 deg C in sunlight...nice greenhouse effect and they stay above 0 deg C all through the flight
[05:11] <WB8ELK> BUT....after sunset...they drop right down to -50 deg C
[05:11] <EarthBreeze> but night time as we see here is the problem he he eh
[05:11] <N9QIP> I would think that a. 25mw transmitter on 144.39 would B all one needs to keep track of this beast.
[05:11] <WB8ELK> yep...250 milliwatts is ideal
[05:12] <WB8ELK> not sure if 25 mw would get through well though
[05:12] <WB8ELK> 25 milliwatts works well if clear channel
[05:12] <WB8ELK> I've heard a 25 milliwatt balloon on 2m from over 500 miles away
[05:12] <N9QIP> Ya. 250 is what i meant.
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[05:13] <WB8ELK> that's the power level that the MicroTrack 300 used and it worked well
[05:13] <EarthBreeze> is he still making them?
[05:13] <WB8ELK> I don't think he is anymore
[05:14] <WB8ELK> my last one is in a tree in east Alabama
[05:14] <EarthBreeze> len remembers where our last one is.
[05:14] <WB8ELK> working on getting my multi-mode transmitter to work on APRS however
[05:14] <WB8ELK> just have to find enough time to sit down and program APRS into it
[05:15] <N9QIP> Ya, i still wanna go get it some day.
[05:15] <EarthBreeze> how far up was it/
[05:15] <N9QIP> 60'
[05:15] <WB8ELK> I launched a balloon this Summer from Spaceport Indiana and it was 90 feet up in a tree
[05:16] <WB8ELK> landed in a woods where they were logging all the trees
[05:16] <WB8ELK> the logger fellow was just driving out as we drove in
[05:16] <EarthBreeze> cut down for ya huh?
[05:16] <WB8ELK> he said...what's one more tree!!!
[05:16] <WB8ELK> but each time he cut a tree down the payload would snag on another nearby tree
[05:16] <WB8ELK> he cut down three huge trees to finally get it down
[05:17] <EarthBreeze> :-)
[05:17] <WB8ELK> hang on...I'll send you the YouTube of that....it was hilarious
[05:17] <N9QIP> ELK arnt U the guy that found ours in Michigan?
[05:17] <WB8ELK> it only shows the last tree getting cut down however
[05:17] <EarthBreeze> no that was Dave KA9KHL
[05:17] <WB8ELK> I don't remember who found that one in Michigan
[05:18] <EarthBreeze> sorry ka9nhl
[05:18] <N9QIP> HE had a APRS NODEnearby
[05:18] <EarthBreeze> ohhh which one do you mean len?
[05:18] <EarthBreeze> ahhh no that was an 8 station yeah, but no bill is down in alabama
[05:19] <WB8ELK> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tje-R6hIQ0
[05:19] <WB8ELK> there you go...enjoy that video
[05:19] <WB8ELK> we also sent up live crickets and they survived
[05:19] <N9QIP> The one we thought dumped into lake mich but was only 8 miles inland in mich
[05:20] <WB8ELK> I remember that one
[05:21] <WB8ELK> Joe not hearing anything...been tuning up and down a bit
[05:21] <EarthBreeze> that was the one with the giant parachute where it took longer to come down than it took to go up
[05:21] <WB8ELK> think you'll have to wait until sunrise
[05:21] <EarthBreeze> i think so too.
[05:21] <WB8ELK> yep...you had a chute on that one big enough for a person
[05:21] <N9QIP> Was funny cuz we almost gave up but discovered late that it was still beaconning.
[05:22] <WB8ELK> My worse one was a payload that landed in a stone quarry at night
[05:22] <WB8ELK> I almost walked right off the cliff attempting to DF it without a flashlight
[05:23] <WB8ELK> saw the darker ground ahead and decided to go back for my flashlight...glad I did that
[05:23] <WB8ELK> otherwise 80 feet straight down the cliff
[05:23] <N9QIP> Oh God!
[05:23] <WB8ELK> it was on the very bottom of the quarry in the gravel
[05:23] <EarthBreeze> wow that is a big tree!
[05:24] <WB8ELK> Joe...that tree shook the Earth when it crashed down
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[05:24] <WB8ELK> it was the biggest of the three he cut down
[05:24] <EarthBreeze> wow crickets,,,, thts amazing!
[05:24] <WB8ELK> they all survived...I was amazed
[05:25] <WB8ELK> I heard a rumor that crickets can hold their breath for 2 hours or more
[05:25] <EarthBreeze> cold and vacuum WTF
[05:25] <WB8ELK> so guess its true
[05:25] <WB8ELK> near space crickets are all over my friend's yard now
[05:25] <EarthBreeze> mutants
[05:26] <WB8ELK> crickets and cockroaches will take over the World after the bad stuff happens
[05:26] <EarthBreeze> will grow up and turn into Zantee's
[05:27] <EarthBreeze> on 30 meters is a weird signal
[05:27] <WB8ELK> after seeing all those toys going into Near Space and seeing all the press coverage they got for that I just had to send up an Angry Bird ;-)
[05:27] <N9QIP> Joe R U on vacation for a few days?
[05:28] <N9QIP> i mean so you can do this 1
[05:28] <EarthBreeze> yup.
[05:28] <EarthBreeze> do what?
[05:29] <N9QIP> 7this flight
[05:29] <EarthBreeze> oh satay up late?
[05:29] <WB8ELK> that was a weird signal
[05:29] <EarthBreeze> ahh I'm all messed up anyway. I havent slept right for months, Like go to bed finally 2 or 3 am and get up at 6 or so, normal day
[05:30] <N9QIP> I cant type well in bed...dont want to wake my bed partner
[05:31] <EarthBreeze> ya know someone could mke a fortune if they mae a program that you give it the audio and it automatically figures out what it is for you.
[05:31] <Upu> morning
[05:31] <WB8ELK> Joe remember to get at least 3 hours of sleep each week whether you need it or not
[05:31] <EarthBreeze> morning upu
[05:31] <EarthBreeze> week?
[05:31] <WB8ELK> yep...I sometimes have weeks like that
[05:31] <EarthBreeze> he he he
[05:32] <N9QIP> Ive been workiing on repeater updates. Eau Claire & Hayward.
[05:32] <WB8ELK> speaking of sleep...off to bed for me....hopefully it'll unfreeze at sunrise
[05:32] <EarthBreeze> yeah me too, maybe see ya all in the am. I'll leave this on in case it wakes up.
[05:32] <WB8ELK> upu....Joe's telemetry froze up ... it'll probably come back alive after sunrise...about 1200 UTC
[05:33] <Upu> ok no problems I'll keep an eye on it, floater ?
[05:33] <WB8ELK> yep....with a ballast balloon below it
[05:33] <EarthBreeze> we hope, that was the plan at least
[05:33] <Upu> fingers cross it warms up
[05:33] <EarthBreeze> http://www.qsl.net/nss/earthbreeze.html
[05:34] <EarthBreeze> Go there and learn all bout it.
[05:34] <WB8ELK> had good signals on it before it froze up
[05:34] <WB8ELK> around 15 km
[05:34] <WB8ELK> supposed to float around 20 km
[05:34] <Upu> yeah just looking at the charts for 15km
[05:34] <EarthBreeze> and park was gonna be at about 20K\
[05:35] <WB8ELK> see you all in the morning (our time)
[05:35] <EarthBreeze> yup
[05:35] <N9QIP> Ill have my buddy in Indianna listen in the AM
[05:36] <WB8ELK> bye for now
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[05:36] <Upu> bye
[05:36] <Upu> if it sticks at 15km
[05:36] <Upu> We'll collect it in about 3 days :)
[05:36] <Upu> http://nstar.org/GFS/100mb/100mb.024.png
[05:36] <N9QIP> My battery is toast in my phone. 73 guys.
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[05:40] <EarthBreeze> what about if it parked at 20K?
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[05:43] <EarthBreeze> upu still there?
[05:43] <Upu> I am
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[05:43] <EarthBreeze> what if it parked at 20 to 22K?
[05:43] <Upu> just updating the live predictor to get a feel for where its going
[05:43] <Upu> checking
[05:44] <EarthBreeze> the design hd it parking at about 70K feet
[05:44] <Upu> http://nstar.org/GFS/50mb/50mb.024.png
[05:44] <Upu> circles
[05:45] <Upu> over the east coast
[05:45] <EarthBreeze> thats what I thought too kinds goes nowhere, or at last if anywhere it was very slowly
[05:45] <Upu> what power does it have ?
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[05:47] <EarthBreeze> it if it warms up can run forever. it is solar with rechargeable lithiums, and lithium back ups. with solar panel, it ran on the panel and panel batts for 3 weeks and never dropped below 6.5 volts. and it switches to the back up pack at 4.5, and dies at like 4, but it never got that low so computer is what froze
[05:48] <Upu> ok interesting
[05:49] <EarthBreeze> it was beaconing at a slot of 156 sec past, but at the end it was getting later and later nd later then last transmission it was drifting all over the place
[05:51] <EarthBreeze> well
[05:51] <EarthBreeze> gonna hit the hay for a while c ya all later
[05:57] <Upu> night hopefully it will wake up
[05:59] <kc9doa> I'll leave dl-fldigi and the radio up overnight even thought I have no idea what freq and shift the balloon might come up on. 73
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[06:39] <nosebleedkt> hello everybody
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[06:40] <costyn> nosebleedkt: hiya
[06:40] <nosebleedkt> how r u ?
[06:40] <costyn> nosebleedkt: allright, making my next tracker :) having issues with the gps though
[06:41] <nosebleedkt> :)
[06:41] <nosebleedkt> what gps?
[06:42] <UpuWork> still not picking up ?
[06:42] <costyn> nosebleedkt: http://imgur.com/FOIjB the gps is a ublox max6 I got from Upu. I've been trying both modules I bought and both are taking a long time to get a fix; I haven't had any fix actually
[06:42] <costyn> UpuWork: nope, I haven't tried it that much, left it out on the lawn for maybe 20 minutes on sunday with u-center
[06:43] <UpuWork> did you purchase 2 from me ?
[06:43] <costyn> UpuWork: yes
[06:43] <UpuWork> They have been tested so possibly something else
[06:43] <costyn> get the occasional blue bars, some of which stay blue
[06:43] <UpuWork> sounds like interference
[06:43] <costyn> UpuWork: ok, well good to know that they were ok when they left you
[06:43] <UpuWork> have you tried just the module into an FTDI ?
[06:44] <UpuWork> away from everything else
[06:44] <costyn> UpuWork: yes, I've been doing that since you suggested it last week; connecting module to ftdi and then fire up u-center
[06:44] <UpuWork> strange and both modules do the same ?
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[06:45] <costyn> unfortunately yes. The nly thing I can think of is that the hotglue I ussed somehow mucked up the antenna's
[06:45] <UpuWork> oh weren't the antennas hot glued before ?
[06:45] <UpuWork> or did you get the ones where I hadn't used it
[06:45] <costyn> no, the black caps were still loose and you suggested I hot glue them in place
[06:45] <costyn> yep I guess I got some of your early ones
[06:46] <UpuWork> Well all is not lost you can gently heat it up and remove it
[06:46] <UpuWork> send them back if you want I'll take a look
[06:46] <costyn> ok, with a hot air gun or what do you suggest using for heat?
[06:46] <UpuWork> I used a hot air gun on 50'C with the emphasis on gentle
[06:46] <UpuWork> heating
[06:47] <costyn> I only have a paint stripper hot air gun, that's gonna be too much I guess
[06:47] <UpuWork> the Sarantels have 2 pads on the element which I've seend peopel damage
[06:47] <UpuWork> I've had a number back where they've damaged the antennas, hence I started applying the glue myself :/
[06:48] <costyn> ok, is it something I can repair myself with solder?
[06:48] <costyn> or is the antenna itself damaged?
[06:52] <UpuWork> possibly damaged but it takes some doing
[06:52] <UpuWork> and I'm not sure you can do it with a hot glue gun
[06:53] <costyn> ok, well i have been gentle with them of course, but I can't rule anything out. with a clear view of the sky, how long should it take for a fix?
[06:53] <UpuWork> no more than 5 mins in general
[06:53] <UpuWork> but it does depend on local factors like interference
[06:53] <UpuWork> have you been somewhere else ?
[06:54] <UpuWork> like move 5 miles and try again
[06:54] <costyn> yep, tried it at home in the garden and last sunday in the garden at my inlaws (150km away)
[06:55] <costyn> and can I see myself (with a microscope) if the pads on the antenna have been damaged?
[06:55] <UpuWork> I'm trying to find a pic I took of a damaged one
[06:55] <costyn> ok
[06:55] <UpuWork> oh I have them sat here
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[06:56] <costyn> http://i.imgur.com/FOIjB.jpg <-- I already put glue in the "hole" as suggested by you
[06:56] <costyn> it'll be a bit difficult to see :)
[06:56] <UpuWork> https://www.dropbox.com/s/41798x4gtxtctpj/2012-07-16%2014.27.36.jpg
[06:56] <SP9UOB> Hi all, any news about KB9KHO/ ?
[06:56] <UpuWork> ok note the one on the right
[06:56] <UpuWork> morning SP9UOB frozen up, they are hoping it will wake up at sunrise around 12UTC
[06:57] <UpuWork> left pad is fine, right pad is lifted
[06:57] <UpuWork> antenna on the left is totally wrecked
[06:57] <costyn> UpuWork: ok yes I see it... I was going to say, the left one looks worse thn the right :)
[06:57] <SP9UOB> UpuWork: thanks, so i left my receiver and PC running
[06:57] <UpuWork> I have NO idea what they did to that
[06:58] <UpuWork> pulled it I guess
[06:58] <UpuWork> but send one back I'll have a play here if you want
[06:58] <costyn> UpuWork: ok thanks, will do that. Can you pm me your postal address?
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[08:35] <daveake> Morning RocketBoy
[08:36] <RocketBoy> hey daveake
[08:37] <daveake> I'm knucking fackered
[08:37] <daveake> Was a long day
[08:37] <RocketBoy> I'm just about recovred from Sunday
[08:37] <daveake> But very much worth it :)
[08:37] <daveake> Sunday?
[08:37] <RocketBoy> yeah - could have been harder
[08:37] <RocketBoy> Saturday
[08:38] <daveake> :)
[08:38] <RocketBoy> I loose count of days -
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[08:38] <RocketBoy> no work to use as a reference
[08:38] <daveake> Have you seen any of the pix from my flight yet?
[08:38] <daveake> ah
[08:38] <RocketBoy> nope
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[08:38] <daveake> http://i.imgur.com/WJwLO.jpg
[08:39] <UpuWork> one for your shop RocketBoy :)
[08:39] <daveake> That's been adjusted a bit for colour
[08:39] <daveake> And this one from 34km or so http://i.imgur.com/OT2VE.jpg
[08:39] <daveake> Note bottom centre :)
[08:40] <MrScienceMan> you can add bit more contrast to cut through the haze :)
[08:40] <daveake> Yeah
[08:40] <costyn> very cool
[08:41] <RocketBoy> having trouble loading those links
[08:41] <costyn> some employers block imgur
[08:42] <RocketBoy> my employer (me) doesn't
[08:42] <UpuWork> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/63720513/Images/HAB/WJwLO.jpg try that does it work ?
[08:42] <costyn> RocketBoy: :) http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/7969481856/sizes/o/in/photostream/ <-- this maybe?
[08:43] <RocketBoy> yep that works - just i.imgur.com not working for me today
[08:43] <griffonbot> Received email: Costyn van Dongen "Re: [UKHAS] Slovakia Launch Announcement - STS-1 (Saturday 8-SEP-2012)"
[08:44] <daveake> Often broken
[08:44] <UpuWork> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/63720513/Images/HAB/OT2VE.jpg
[08:44] <costyn> did you guys see those STS burst pics? incredible
[08:44] <UpuWork> is the other one
[08:44] <daveake> costyn Yes loved those
[08:45] <costyn> radim_OM2AMR: you here?
[08:45] <radim_OM2AMR> hi costyn, yea
[08:45] <costyn> radim_OM2AMR: did you shield the #16 camera? The frame grabs are amazing, what framerate were you using?
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[08:46] <RocketBoy> those are darn cool
[08:46] <RocketBoy> can I put one on my RandomSolutions Website?
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[08:47] <daveake> Sure
[08:47] <RocketBoy> I'll link & credit
[08:47] <radim_OM2AMR> costyn, unfortunatelly SD card in still camera crashed after 35 mins of flight :-|
[08:47] <daveake> Thanks :)
[08:47] <radim_OM2AMR> fortunatelly we had two HD cams
[08:47] <costyn> radim_OM2AMR: but I'm talking about the burst pics :)
[08:47] <costyn> radim_OM2AMR: those are frame grabs from video right?
[08:47] <daveake> Ground shots from the launches and recoveries - http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/sets/72157631483906920/
[08:47] <radim_OM2AMR> yes, I know, that pics are from UP keychain camera
[08:48] <costyn> radim_OM2AMR: did you use any special settings? how much time passed between 1st and last picture?
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[08:48] <daveake> Shots from the payload - http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/sets/72157631488987014/
[08:49] <daveake> The payload pix are currently uploading, at 72% having started about midnight last night
[08:49] <daveake> Damn "A" in ADSL
[08:49] <radim_OM2AMR> costyn we had 30 fps, frames are consequent
[08:49] <costyn> radim_OM2AMR: ok, cool thanks
[08:50] <radim_OM2AMR> costyn, I feel, that HAB-bing is a strong legal drug :-D
[08:50] <eroomde> :)
[08:50] <costyn> radim_OM2AMR: yes, the urge to do it again is strong
[08:50] <eroomde> radim_OM2AMR: however, like a lot of drugs, you start needing something stronger after a while
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[08:51] <radim_OM2AMR> eroomde, oh damn :-D
[08:51] <daveake> Yeah, you start by sniffing helium, but before you know it you're injecting H2
[08:51] <gonzo_> as clinton said, he did partake but didn't inhale
[08:52] <costyn> radim_OM2AMR: the 808 camera's are known to actively block GPS. were you using any sort of shielding?
[08:53] <radim_OM2AMR> we have another hwoyee 1600 from Steve, so we will prepare STS-2 for spring flight
[08:53] <radim_OM2AMR> costyn, yea, I carefully read Upu's notice, we tripple checked if they are not jamming active antenna
[08:54] <costyn> radim_OM2AMR: so your #16 camera's were not jamming gps
[08:54] <radim_OM2AMR> probably SAW filter in active antenna saved our Venus GPS from the jam
[08:54] <costyn> I see
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[08:55] <radim_OM2AMR> costyn - I think combination of that two saved us. I tested both cameras in about 1 cm from GPS antenna
[08:56] <costyn> ok
[08:56] <radim_OM2AMR> I have ublox6 from Upu too, so I will make further tests with that GPS
[08:56] <costyn> radim_OM2AMR: I would be interested to know
[08:56] <costyn> radim_OM2AMR: but of course I will do my own testing as well
[08:58] <radim_OM2AMR> that's what I strongly suggest to you, we don't know what will chinese do during production of that cams
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[09:03] <eroomde> Laurenceb: yo
[09:06] <eroomde> wow fsphil
[09:06] <eroomde> assuming you're in n.ireland
[09:06] <eroomde> some serious incoming
[09:06] <UpuWork> weather ?
[09:06] <eroomde> yeah
[09:06] <eroomde> raintoday.co.uk
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[09:09] <WillDuckworth> hey cuddykid
[09:09] <fsphil> this should be fun
[09:10] <UpuWork> thats not good
[09:10] <UpuWork> as generally it gets to us about 2 days after
[09:10] <fsphil> at the speed it's moving, it'll be more like a few hours
[09:17] <nosebleedkt> hey guys did you see that?
[09:17] <nosebleedkt> gopro hero lens in module
[09:17] <nosebleedkt> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11418
[09:17] <nosebleedkt> 1080p video
[09:17] <nosebleedkt> gonna buy it for sure
[09:17] <fsphil> someone flew one of those recently I thnk
[09:18] <Laurenceb> eroomde: hi, what?
[09:18] <nosebleedkt> yeah
[09:18] <nosebleedkt> very low weight
[09:19] <cuddykid> hiya WillDuckworth
[09:19] <cuddykid> just got up lol
[09:19] <cuddykid> 58 emails
[09:19] <eroomde> Laurenceb: horizon this wednesday is about skylon
[09:19] <Laurenceb> oh cool
[09:19] <Laurenceb> ill have to watch that
[09:19] <eroomde> i beleive FC comes up
[09:19] <WillDuckworth> oh - interesting eroomde
[09:20] <WillDuckworth> cuddykid - just catching up on your media coverage ;)
[09:21] <cuddykid> it's rather crazy! didn't expect this
[09:21] <costyn> eroomde: cool (about the Horizon ep)
[09:21] <fsphil> like some kind of spanish inquisition cuddykid?
[09:22] <costyn> fsphil: :)
[09:22] <costyn> nosebleedkt: cool camera, bit expensive tho
[09:22] <nosebleedkt> yeah but all gopros are like that
[09:22] <costyn> well yes :)
[09:23] <nosebleedkt> HD video with so little weight and space and configurable from mc
[09:23] <cuddykid> ABC radio in Perth want to have a chat :S
[09:24] <Laurenceb> <dongs> whats proper invsqrt function
[09:24] Action: Laurenceb facepalm
[09:25] <eroomde> ?
[09:25] <Laurenceb> erm square
[09:26] <eroomde> i'm pleased it's adam that has got this attention
[09:26] <eroomde> and not that little sh!te
[09:26] <eroomde> order is restored and the universe is at peace
[09:28] <daveake> Indeed. I previously put a comment one of the TLS's articles, along the lines of "You need to thank Adam because otherwise you"art" would be lost in a field somewhere"
[09:28] <daveake> on*
[09:28] <daveake> your*
[09:28] <eroomde> yes i saw a few people had carpet-bombed the 1 or 2 space-fart articles referencing how it's adam hat did the hard bit
[09:28] <eroomde> hopefully that's what some of the newspapers picked up on
[09:30] <costyn> good good
[09:31] <eroomde> "@TheoPaphitis With my entrepreneurial ventures like #SpaceArt I inspire other young people to follow their own business ideas. #SBS"
[09:32] <eroomde> i would actually punch him
[09:32] <eroomde> if i met him
[09:32] <daveake> Well that's my breakfast on my desk
[09:33] <eroomde> After the recent success of my latest project, I began to think more about JoshingTalk. Joining my thoughts was Trudy Thompson of www.bricksandbread.com.
[09:33] <eroomde> I had met Trudy after doing a talk about my first project, Taylor Made Space Balloon, and it soon became apparent that she was a person of true prowess in a range of fields.
[09:33] <daveake> I guess he means he inspires others to go find people to do stuff for him so he can get the credit
[09:33] <eroomde> fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu*k
[09:33] <eroomde> aaaargh
[09:33] <eroomde> he should be banned from english
[09:33] <eroomde> just
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[09:33] <eroomde> jesus
[09:33] <eroomde> it makes me shake
[09:33] <eroomde> it's so awful
[09:34] <cuddykid> yeah, I read that :/
[09:34] <WillDuckworth> do a talk on it ed.........
[09:35] <eroomde> he's like a cross between Miss Malaprop and Mr Bean and Tim Lovejoy
[09:35] <eroomde> gauche isn't even the word
[09:35] <eroomde> just purest delusion
[09:35] <UpuWork> ah
[09:35] <UpuWork> I ams more educated
[09:35] <daveake> From the Daily Mail comments ... "Well, it's unique. However in the world of amateur weather balloon flights, it was a very ordinary flight. Some others have been FAR more challenging - building tiny trackers to achieve altitude records, or floating balloons between continents, or transmitting live images or video. This flight didn't get very high, or far, or stay afloat for long, or have anything but a basic radio tracker inside (and even that w
[09:35] <daveake> as provided by someone else). In short, the only challenge was to get as much media attention as possible."
[09:36] <costyn> hehehehe
[09:36] <UpuWork> who posted that ? Angry from Brightwalton ?
[09:36] <daveake> lol
[09:36] <daveake> guilty as charged
[09:36] <costyn> :D
[09:36] <costyn> daveake: link?
[09:37] <daveake> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2197640/Helium-weather-balloon-paints-canvas-help-high-flying-youngster-create-unique-artwork--100-000ft.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
[09:37] <daveake> The top one is me too (for some reason my earlier comment didn't show for a while so I thought it got lost)
[09:37] <daveake> Some of the others are great
[09:40] <costyn> haa good to see hardly anyone is buying the bullshit.
[09:41] <eroomde> cuddykid: all the newspapers seem to think you're doing engineering @ notts
[09:41] <eroomde> i thought it was economics?
[09:41] <daveake> His opinion of himself couldn't be more inflated if I stuck a K size H2 cylinder up his arse and opened the valve
[09:41] <costyn> daveake: hahahaha
[09:41] <cuddykid> eroomde: yeah, not sure where they got that from - I think they assumed it
[09:41] <cuddykid> eroomde: doing econ
[09:41] <UpuWork> no comment about Stirks now daveake
[09:41] <daveake> 1 Hosh = 1200 Stirks?
[09:41] <daveake> J
[09:42] <eroomde> let's not have a josh
[09:42] <eroomde> as a word
[09:42] <costyn> agreed
[09:42] <daveake> no, agree :)
[09:42] <daveake> best to forget, once we're done taking the piss
[09:42] <UpuWork> don't even put my name and Captain High Alitude Fish Transport container in the same sentence pls
[09:42] <costyn> wonder how often he googles himself and finds the zeusbot chatlogs hehehe
[09:42] Action: UpuWork waves at Josh
[09:43] <UpuWork> we once spoke to Dave of the future via Zeus
[09:43] <UpuWork> and it worked
[09:43] <daveake> Dunno, but in case he does ... Josh Taylor you are a complete waste of space
[09:43] <UpuWork> lol
[09:43] <costyn> :D
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[09:43] <eroomde> C U Next Thursday, Josh
[09:43] <eroomde> Taylor
[09:43] <eroomde> taylormade
[09:43] <eroomde> space art
[09:44] <eroomde> challenge me sir richard branson theor pahetesatropalopadopalopdous
[09:44] <daveake> "make and code your own tracker"
[09:44] <eroomde> Generating the inpiration for the change you want to be to make for our future of our children's ambition
[09:45] <eroomde> i have a josh-prose-generator now
[09:45] <daveake> It's pretty good
[09:45] <cuddykid> oh no - had an email about making money - .. involves making a 'step-by-step' book - no thanks
[09:46] <DrLuke> for HABs?
[09:46] <eroomde> sort of a mix between a dodgy steve jobs biography and diarrhea
[09:46] <daveake> I can recommend a much more informative book
[09:46] <daveake> Only £2
[09:46] <cuddykid> DrLuke: yeah
[09:46] <cuddykid> lol daveake
[09:46] <eroomde> The Thick Of It had some great one-liners this week
[09:46] <eroomde> 'have you ever seen him like this before?'
[09:47] <eroomde> 'No. Though, he did take the the morning off when Steve Jobs died'
[09:47] <eroomde> which is probably not funny out of context
[09:47] <eroomde> but i guffawed
[09:47] <eroomde> also
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[09:48] <eroomde> [about his desk from a tory minister's assistant]: "There is Beuty in Order - It's a Nazi quote, but it stands the test of time"
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[09:50] <eroomde> or, about getting an aging tory mp to give a speech on engage school children in digital media creation and smartphone apps, "It's like asking a dog to understand the concept of norway"
[09:50] <eroomde> XD
[09:50] <eroomde> ok enough now
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[09:54] <Laurenceb> http://www.st.com/internet/mcu/subclass/1605.jsp
[09:54] <Laurenceb> reference manual out
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[10:01] <navrac_work> thanks for the daily mail link - the comments made my day... I See they've closed the article for comments - pity I was going to offer to attach some lead weights to his feet for the discover the bottom of the ocean challenge
[10:01] <Laurenceb> lol
[10:01] <daveake> lol
[10:02] <costyn> navrac_work: probably why they closed the comments, some of those types of comments were appearing
[10:02] <costyn> ;)
[10:02] <kokey> cuddykid, all over the news, awesome
[10:02] <navrac_work> one can hope...
[10:02] <kokey> I saw the headlines about teenager sending a camera to space and was hoping it's about someone useful
[10:02] <Laurenceb> "From the video, it's clear that most of the ink was dripped onto the canvas before the thing was even launched."
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[10:02] <Laurenceb> hahaha
[10:03] <cuddykid> I'm amazed it was picked up kokey!
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[10:03] <cuddykid> ABC radio in Perth just called - doing an interview tonight at 9
[10:03] <tioukcom> Does anyone know how to tell active payloads from the output of http://habitat.habhub.org/habitat/_design/payload_configuration/_view/name_time_created?include_docs=true
[10:03] <cuddykid> shame they won't pay for me to go over and do interview in person :P
[10:03] <kokey> news works in mysterious ways, a bit like videos going viral except between journalists
[10:04] <eroomde> cuddykid: you'll be surprised how often they'll come to you
[10:04] <kokey> you'll be surprised how good they are at tracking you down too
[10:04] <cuddykid> nice
[10:04] <eroomde> on the couple of accassions I've had some interest from sky for whatever reason, they've initially asked me to come to them and I said no cba, and so they said 'ok fine we'll come to you'
[10:04] <cuddykid> indeed kokey - not sure how they've all got my home number!
[10:05] <daveake> You may need to pay the Aussie mafia (Darkside) to get "clearance" for media attention in his homeland
[10:05] <gonzo_> they've 'hacked' your mobile phone
[10:05] <cuddykid> ah yes, forgot about Darkside
[10:05] <gonzo_> (or as we call it, just dialed it up)
[10:06] <kokey> friend of mine befriended anna chapman, and when they who spy case came out the news media had his phone number, somehow, and he even lived in a different country
[10:06] <eroomde> my phone number got out somewhere for teds in space
[10:07] <daveake> Ah, that explains it. Adam's friendly with a media star (whose name must no longer be mentioned here ;-) )
[10:07] <eroomde> final straw was the sun calling me twice a week for about 5 or 6 months about flying some stupid shit on a balloon for them
[10:07] <eroomde> and i really wanted nothing to do with the sun
[10:07] <eroomde> and the last 2 or 3 years have vindicated that for me
[10:07] <eroomde> anyway, asked rob if he wanted it and he said yes please and that was that
[10:07] <eroomde> rob got his 15 minutes
[10:08] <kokey> back when I got some media attention as a teenager, I also had a newspaper group that I refused to deal with
[10:08] <cuddykid> lol daveake
[10:09] <eroomde> kokey: which one?
[10:09] <kokey> eroomde: a group called naspers, they mostly cover africa and parts of asia
[10:10] <kokey> but they've basically always been run by the broederbond, so they were the official propaganda medium of the apartheid south african government
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[10:15] <kokey> I suppose the sun wanted a launch over a footballers estate, with breast implants in the payload
[10:16] <eroomde> can;t remember, it was something self propotional
[10:16] <eroomde> promotional*
[10:16] <eroomde> then they tried emotional-black mail by saying i really ought to do it because they were tying it in with help-for-heroes
[10:16] <eroomde> they are just a bunch of scum really
[10:17] <eroomde> didin;t want to start wrestling with pigs
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[10:32] <kokey> yeah you either work with them totally or not at all
[10:32] <kokey> there's no middle ground
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[10:33] <kokey> I had another reason to avoid naspers, apart from them being scum, is the one article one of their papers did, they just made stuff up, including quotes from me
[10:33] <cuddykid> apparently it's the 3rd most viewed today on telegraph website
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[10:37] <kokey> I saw the telegraph one first, came up on my google news under the science section
[10:37] <kokey> do you know who picked up the story first?
[10:37] <eroomde> someone should point it out to josh
[10:37] <eroomde> maybe on tiwtter
[10:38] <kokey> but yeah once the sun has it, it spreads
[10:45] <cuddykid> i usually inform the worcester news (local rag) of launches as they like to cover it
[10:45] <cuddykid> then a press agency (news team) picked it up on Saturday and distributed it to the national papers
[10:46] <cuddykid> not sure whether it made any of the print editions - I highly doubt it
[10:47] <cuddykid> ping RocketBoy
[10:47] <fsphil> I thought about sending somethign to the local news, but it seems like a lot of hassle in the long run
[10:52] <kokey> cuddykid: it has good photos so I wouldn't be surprised if it makes it to print
[10:52] <griffonbot> @daveake: Video of the simultaneous launch of Cloud7 and Horus 28 weather balloons http://t.co/FopIdwux #UKHAS #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/daveake/status/245112539862687744]
[10:53] <kokey> there's something weird about the flat we live in
[10:54] <kokey> like I can't receive much, even my scanner only seems to get the london bus repeaters and almost nothing else
[10:55] <kokey> so I was mighty surprised to be able to hear MONDO this weekend when I took it up to a village in Leicestershire
[10:56] <RocketBoy> hey cuddykid pm
[10:56] <kokey> fsphil: fldigi doesn't need much in the way of cpu does it?
[11:01] <fsphil> I can run it on my eeepc kokey, although you wouldn't want to be doing much more
[11:01] <fsphil> cpu on that is 900 mhz
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[11:08] <kokey> ah ok, yeah I'm getting a 1.2ghz old thinkpad off someone, thought of using that
[11:10] <navrac_work> I can just run fldigi and hdsdr simultaneously on an atom based netbook - frankly if it can run on that it can run on anything
[11:11] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... I've got an old 500MHz 500MB laptop that just isn't quite up to it these days...
[11:11] <LazyLeopard> ;)
[11:14] <N9UDO> @EarthBreeze - You out here Joe?
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[11:26] <WJ9H> Hi Steve, I'm just checking in before getting ready for work. No decodes here overnight.
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[11:27] <W9EWW> Morning all. N9UDO mentioned lost contact...any new information?
[11:28] <costyn> daveake: what kind of field did millinut land in? where we see Mark plodding through it with payload and yagi in hand?
[11:28] <daveake> Oh yea, we saved the populated field for him :-). He did ask "what's that green stuff?" :)
[11:29] <WJ9H> W9EWW DE WJ9H - I haven't heard anything from Earthbreeze since 0410z, hoping it wakes up again after sunrise.
[11:29] <daveake> Broccoli I think he said
[11:29] <costyn> daveake: heheheh :) ah ok
[11:29] <W9EWW> Thanks, hope you guys can find her.
[11:33] <fsphil> is there a floating flight occuring?
[11:34] <fsphil> oh that's the one jcoxon mentioned
[11:34] <costyn> fsphil: http://www.qsl.net/nss/earthbreeze-flight-room.html
[11:34] <costyn> and http://www.qsl.net/nss/earthbreeze.html with lots of nice details
[11:35] <fsphil> ah brilliant, thanks costyn
[11:36] <costyn> only problem is that it's in comic sans
[11:36] <LazyLeopard> Heh
[11:39] <costyn> clever system to make it float on purpose
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[11:47] <N9UDO> @WJ9H - Nothing here Tom since 0340z. When I turned the PC monitor on this morning, noticed the frequency had shifted up quite a bit more. If you had it last at 0410, then I lost it due to drift at that point. Hopefully it'll wake up.
[11:48] <cuddykid> going in the spanish newspaper abc.es now
[11:48] <cuddykid> got a call from a local weather/radio enthusiast who had spotted his house :)
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[11:52] <fsphil> hah
[11:52] <fsphil> I looked for my house in the pics but the entire town was just a blob
[11:52] <fsphil> (pics from my last flight)
[11:53] <cuddykid> apparently the guy has spotted where I live on one of the distant photos! He's sending them over
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[12:06] <Laurenceb> them == the trolls?
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[12:06] <ka9szx> Looks like things have not come back
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[12:07] <fsphil> local sunrise?
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[12:08] <ka9szx> Yes, balloon has been in local sunrise over an hour probably by now if it is up at altitude.
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[12:11] <WJ9H> This is like waiting for Apollo 8 to show up from behind the moon and hoping it didn't crash.
[12:12] <aj_> what happened to it?
[12:12] <WJ9H> Signal was very drifty last time we heard it 8 hours ago somewhere over northern Illinois.
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[12:13] <ka9szx> Noy sure, shame there is no second beacon or other signal source,
[12:15] <griffonbot> Received email: Radim Mutina "Re: [UKHAS] Slovakia Launch Announcement - STS-1 (Saturday 8-SEP-2012)"
[12:15] <griffonbot> @Mark_In_Geelong: RT @daveake: Video of the simultaneous launch of Cloud7 and Horus 28 weather balloons http://t.co/FopIdwux #UKHAS #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/Mark_In_Geelong/status/245133499902857217]
[12:16] <ka9szx> I think we were all hoping that the signal would come back this morning after the sun came up and heated the package. it still may.
[12:18] <ka9szx> Nice launch
[12:19] <WJ9H> Maybe it takes time for the batteries to thaw. -73- all, heading to work.
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[12:22] <ka9szx> I will have to go to work soon myself, hoping that I would hear something at my station before then.
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[12:27] <WW9A> Was there no data from KB9KHO after 03:40:15 UTC?
[12:28] <ka9szx> I do not believe there was. Hoping the package would start working after the sun had a chance to warm it up.
[12:29] <WW9A> Ah, ok. Thanks! Went to bed right after that dataset last night and was surprised that there were no more. Thanks again for the reply!
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[12:31] <UpuWork> sunrise was about 30 mins ago
[12:31] <ka9szx> I did too, and was hoping that it would come back. Glad I did not stay up as I got a call at 6:25 this morning and had to run into work.
[12:33] <craag> Is it a lipo battery?
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[12:38] <ka9szx> I know very little about what Joe has put into this balloon, only to know that it probably still is up but not transmitting.
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[12:40] <Laurenceb> eroomde: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006mgxf/broadcasts/upcoming
[12:40] <Laurenceb> i dont see it
[12:42] <Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/WJwLO.jpg
[12:42] <Laurenceb> Lakenheath?
[12:42] <craag> Nice photo!
[12:42] <MrScienceMan> great photo
[12:45] <DrLuke> did you somehow tether the balloons together?
[12:45] <Laurenceb> dunno its not my photo :P
[12:46] <craag> Is that from cloud and horus?
[12:47] <ka9szx> Looks like that balloon photo was taken over the UK.
[12:48] <Laurenceb> yeah, Lakenheath USAF base below
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[12:49] <Laurenceb> its one of Daveakes
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[12:53] <UpuWork> and Millenhall Laurenceb
[12:54] <eroomde> Laurenceb: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01mqv45
[12:54] <Laurenceb> "we must be over the UK, theres a US military installation"
[12:54] <Laurenceb> oh - thanks
[12:54] <Laurenceb> you said horizon
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[12:58] <justinatomatic> So Gday we are working toward a ballon launch in a few weeks down in Australia. Just wondering if the http://spacenear.us/tracker was available for such things?
[12:58] <UpuWork> hi there justinatomatic
[12:59] <UpuWork> it is as long as your telemetry is compatable
[12:59] <UpuWork> what are you transmitting ?
[13:00] <MrScienceMan> wouldnt the characters be upside down?
[13:00] <UpuWork> we already made all those jokes about Darkside :)
[13:00] <MrScienceMan> late for the party :(
[13:01] <MrScienceMan> and by late i mean, completely missed it
[13:01] <justinatomatic> Using G3 cellular network and potentially local tracking with Radiometrix NTX2 like you site recommends.
[13:02] <UpuWork> you'll run out of cell coverage pretty quickly
[13:02] <UpuWork> I strongly suggest you use the radio method
[13:02] <DrLuke> I can confirm this
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[13:02] <DrLuke> I only would use cell coverage as a backup system for when you loose direct radio contact before touchdown
[13:02] <UpuWork> Best speak to Darkside when he's back he's our resident australian
[13:03] <MrScienceMan> The third team that launch a balloon on 1st of semptember
[13:03] <MrScienceMan> used just a cell phone
[13:03] <MrScienceMan> had no problem with recovery
[13:03] <DrLuke> it really depends on where you live
[13:03] <DrLuke> for example germany is covered pretty good
[13:04] <MrScienceMan> that is true, if it a white dessert area
[13:04] <justinatomatic> You would be surprised by the extent of the network and we aren't really aiming for that high 30,000 feet max
[13:04] <DrLuke> but I don't think you will get any reception in the middle of australia's outback
[13:04] <costyn> gsm coverage will die at a few km altitude
[13:04] <MrScienceMan> justinatomatic: feet?
[13:04] <DrLuke> well, I've been ordering pizza out of a plane before
[13:04] <DrLuke> and 1000 meters over the ground already is critical
[13:04] <DrLuke> only got a single bar
[13:05] <EarthBreeze> Morning Everyone.
[13:05] <DrLuke> Evening
[13:05] <costyn> hi... any news?
[13:05] <ka9szx> Not a peep out of it.
[13:05] <MrScienceMan> if you have a transmitter on board
[13:06] <MrScienceMan> you can find it using a directional antenna and a headset
[13:06] <MrScienceMan> thats how we found TIN :)
[13:06] <MrScienceMan> TINY*
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[13:06] <EarthBreeze> here either, started looking ,,, just started listening to some remote rcvrs listening from texas right now. in case on ground near chicgo.
[13:06] <costyn> MrScienceMan: sure, if you only want to find it back once its landed, you can use gsm, but if you want to track it in flight... ;)
[13:07] <MrScienceMan> i want to know its every step
[13:07] <costyn> yes so much more fun
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[13:09] <N9ROY> last reading shows only 6.8 volts being supplied. Is that enough for equipment to function?
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[13:11] <N9ROY> Joe, you there?
[13:12] <EarthBreeze> yup here
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[13:12] <N9ROY> did ya see my question?
[13:12] <EarthBreeze> yup and plenty of power,, paylod runs down to under 5 volts.
[13:12] <N9ROY> ok
[13:13] <EarthBreeze> brain froze
[13:13] <N9ROY> how to correct?
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[13:14] <EarthBreeze> hope it warms up for now
[13:15] <N9ROY> maybe when sun hits it?
[13:17] <UpuWork> you're floating around the coldest bit of sky
[13:18] <EarthBreeze> yeah, last temp recorded was -47 C
[13:18] <craag> Ouch.
[13:19] <eroomde> ouch
[13:19] <WB8ELK> nothing heard here in Alabama
[13:19] <eroomde> everything on there is industrially rated yeah?
[13:19] <WB8ELK> I'll let it run today
[13:21] <ka9szx> I need to run to work but will leave my receiver on today in the chance it comes back on. I have set things back to 240 HZ, If you think I should change it to something else let me know now.
[13:21] <EarthBreeze> I'm starting listening to other rcvrs
[13:21] <EarthBreeze> I went to 240 also
[13:21] <craag> Is it a lipo battery onboard?
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[13:23] <EarthBreeze> yes and solar panels, it could if comes back to life could run forever
[13:24] <ka9szx> OK, I have to head to work now. Hope you hear something. 73 Mark
[13:26] <EarthBreeze> c ya
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[13:37] <navrac_work> are the lipos rated for charging at <4 degrees - most arent and charging them at that temp causes an impressive lipo failure - still got the burn marks on my freezer
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[13:39] <EarthBreeze> hmmm, thats an interesting question,
[13:40] <griffonbot> @daveake: Best photos from my CLOUD7 weather balloon flight on Saturday. Includes some shots of Horus28. http://t.co/tp0UNpjy #UKHAS #projecthorus [http://twitter.com/daveake/status/245154729292869632]
[13:40] <costyn> navrac_work: hah they fail spectacularly?
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[13:41] <navrac_work> yep - they burn holes in themselves
[13:41] <EarthBreeze> what chrging current?
[13:41] <navrac_work> apparently they can blow up - mine just caught fire
[13:42] <navrac_work> i was charging at about 40mA
[13:42] <EarthBreeze> wow not much
[13:42] <navrac_work> nope - which was why they were in the freezer - i thought i could get away with it
[13:42] <costyn> navrac_work: you were testing charging by solar panel?
[13:42] <navrac_work> yep
[13:43] <navrac_work> it was for ozzie 3 and ozzie 4 - in the end I just used them to power it during sunlight then switch to primary cells for night and just sent morse till the sun came up
[13:43] <cuddykid> daveake: those are awesome photos
[13:44] <daveake> Thanks :-)
[13:44] <daveake> It's taken a while to get a decent set :)
[13:44] <EarthBreeze> where are you 2?
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[13:45] <navrac_work> those are really great pictures dave
[13:45] <costyn> EarthBreeze: erm, who do you mean?
[13:46] <EarthBreeze> QTH?
[13:46] Action: costyn = not a HAM :) but I'm in the Netherlands
[13:46] <navrac_work> i think he meant which 2 people
[13:46] <costyn> navrac_work: yea
[13:47] <EarthBreeze> OK, just looking for people that may take listen for the payload.
[13:47] <navrac_work> sorry UK here
[13:47] <costyn> EarthBreeze: most active people here are going to be UK people
[13:47] <costyn> EarthBreeze: there were a bunch of US hams on earlier, but they went to work
[13:47] <costyn> daveake: http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/7970623002/in/set-72157631498431574/ <-- the white dot upper right hand, is that still millinut?
[13:48] <daveake> yes
[13:48] <costyn> those wispy cloud are just so beautiful
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[13:49] <costyn> nice macro shot, that last one :)
[13:49] <daveake> haha
[13:50] <costyn> nice DOF
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[13:51] <KC8UCH> will try to listen if i can get home for lunch today (in about two hours or so)
[13:53] <Laurenceb> http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/7970761814/sizes/l/in/set-72157631498431574/
[13:53] <EarthBreeze> me too off nd on all day. thing is if it is still crusing at 20K Meters it is still super cold and may take a while to thaw out
[13:53] <Laurenceb> thats insane
[13:53] <Laurenceb> right up to norht of hull
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[13:53] <Laurenceb> the size of the fields makes everything look tiny
[13:54] <x-f> daveake, those clouds are amazing, and their shadows on the ground, beautiful photos!
[13:54] <gonzo_> I was in Hull over the weekend
[13:54] <daveake> Thanks, I *really* didn't want this one to end up in the sea!
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[14:03] <N9QIP> I'm hearing RTTY @ 10.145.4
[14:04] <N9QIP> No way to decode it, but I'm hearing someting 10 minute intervals.
[14:05] <costyn> flight doc says it will transmit once every 5 minutes?
[14:05] <costyn> It will now only transmit once every five minutes. And each of those five minute intervals alternate between the RTTY and the CW message.
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[14:06] <N9QIP> OK well I just heard something @ 8:50 AM local CDT and again at 9:00 AM local CDT
[14:07] <N9QIP> Another 4 min should confirm
[14:07] <ww9a> If they are 5 min intervals and alternating between CW and RTTY, then the RTTY WOULD be every 10 min.
[14:07] <costyn> yes
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[14:07] <N9QIP> something just came in again just now...could have been CW
[14:08] <costyn> exciting :)
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[14:10] <N9QIP> RTTY now...again.
[14:10] <UpuWork> it lives ?
[14:10] <N9QIP> Somebody with RTTY RX needs to get listening.
[14:11] <UpuWork> can you stream the audio ?
[14:11] <costyn> N9QIP: you don't have dl-fldigi?
[14:11] <UpuWork> if nothing else can you record it ?
[14:11] <N9QIP> 10.145.36
[14:11] <UpuWork> can you record it ?
[14:11] <N9QIP> can try with smartphone
[14:12] <EarthBreeze> I'm back
[14:12] <costyn> EarthBreeze: have you heard it as well?
[14:13] <EarthBreeze> I heard something way high in freq, so slid up just now,
[14:14] <EarthBreeze> brb gonna go and see what temp it is at if it is floting where designed to float at.
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[14:16] <EarthBreeze> OUCH!!! parking at 20K Meters may not have been a good idea!! -55C if it is functioning as designed it may never thaw out till it fails! and comes down!
[14:16] <costyn> that is freakishly cold
[14:18] <UpuWork> *cough* http://zipmeme.com/uploads/generated/g1347286632764549492.jpg
[14:19] <costyn> UpuWork: hehhee
[14:19] <UpuWork> thx to daveake for the image
[14:20] <daveake> Always happy to supply images for a good cause
[14:20] <fsphil> lipos and balloons are generally a bad idea
[14:20] <costyn> N9QIP: any luck with recording?
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[14:21] <N9QIP> I got one recording so far but very shakky or freq. wobbly
[14:22] <N9QIP> I'll try agian at 9:30AM
[14:22] <N9QIP> RTTY is very wobbly at beginning.
[14:22] <costyn> but the dialfreq and freq of the tranmissions indicate it must then still be alive
[14:23] <N9QIP> tone warbles
[14:23] <N9QIP> ya I think so.
[14:25] <N9QIP> is there an app that can decode this if I get a good copy?
[14:25] <costyn> N9QIP: yes, dl-fldigi. one sec I'll get you a link
[14:25] <costyn> N9QIP: http://www.qsl.net/nss/earthbreeze.html <-- check the bottom of the page for instructions
[14:27] <EarthBreeze> or just E-Mail it to me Len
[14:28] <costyn> might be easier:)
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[14:29] <W5VSI> GM Joe. Will tune up on 30m agn & advise.
[14:29] <EarthBreeze> Thanks!
[14:31] <UpuWork> EarthBreeze the link is wrong you're pointing to the old version of dl-fldigi I think
[14:31] <UpuWork> it will work
[14:31] <N9QIP> Just got it tuned in better @ 10.145.71
[14:31] <N9QIP> will try to record next beacon.
[14:31] <EarthBreeze> be back in a minute gonn put some shoes
[14:31] <UpuWork> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/ukhas/0ftgJPGjJP8 have a look here for info on new dl-fldigi
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[14:32] <EarthBreeze> yeah the new one some people were having problems with last night.
[14:32] <UpuWork> ok
[14:34] <EarthBreeze> I'm bck
[14:35] <EarthBreeze> 30 meters was weird last night
[14:35] <EarthBreeze> during the flight it was pretty quiet
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[14:36] <griffonbot> Received email: David Akerman "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Launch this Saturday 8th - Bello Mondo-11"
[14:36] <EarthBreeze> a few other signals on the band during the active part of the flight but not too many
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[14:36] <EarthBreeze> then after LOS, like NOTHING like the band was dead.
[14:37] <EarthBreeze> then checke at 02:00 CDT Local time AM, 07:00Z and it was like contest started in the same audio passband of the balloon there had to be 6 or 7 strong signals was surprised.
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[14:48] <N9QIP> No luck yet. freq. wondering around.
[14:48] <N9QIP> sombody with RTTY ability needs to listen.
[14:49] <W5VSI> Nothing heard on 10.145 USB hr in CO yet, other than a few Olivia etc sigs
[14:52] <N9QIP> I'm getting regular RX at 5 minute intervals but not stable enuf to decode.
[14:52] <N9QIP> sig is also degrading for me.
[14:52] <EarthBreeze> I'm getting some weird staton that starts out as like Olivia or domino, then changes to RTTY, but that the only one I'm hearing right now.
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[14:53] <EarthBreeze> Thinking here, Why is it not being heard anywhere. Right now the ONLY reason is, that it is still frozen. Nothing else it can be. or it went for swim in Lake Michigan, but flight path had it not going that way. Even if it malfunctioned, and has landed, someone should have propagation to it. even if it landed with the solar panel facing down ts will run the payload for days. but not a peep. I am having now second thoug
[14:54] <EarthBreeze> I am having now second thoughts at the designed parking altitude. I chose that altitude for minimal winds movement. it should have parked at about 20 to 22 K Meters. There the winds are like zero. One thing I did NOT think about was the temps. last temp from the payload was a -47C Soundings this morning have it t -55C If this thing did park as designed and hoped, if where it is, is at -55C it may never come back to lif
[14:54] <eroomde> yes, that's the tropopause right?
[14:54] <UpuWork> park it a) higher b) don't use LiPo's
[14:54] <eroomde> the coldest part of the atmosphere
[14:55] <EarthBreeze> yeah hindsight
[14:55] <UpuWork> http://www.saftbatteries.com/Produit_Space_MPS_cell_range_301_60/Language/en-US/Default.aspx
[14:55] <UpuWork> all good testing
[14:56] <EarthBreeze> nice looking cells
[14:56] <W5VSI> It oughta be getting plenty of solar flux now, despite low OAT.
[14:56] <EarthBreeze> OAT?
[14:56] <N9QIP> shoulda put a space heater onboard....giggle
[14:57] <eroomde> hoho
[14:57] <DrLuke> upuwork: what's the price on that battery?
[14:57] <W5VSI> Outside Air Temp (sri - Navy aeroplane driver talk :-P)
[14:57] <UpuWork> no idea
[14:57] <EarthBreeze> ahhh I was thinking OAT as in Quaker
[14:58] <W5VSI> Speaking of which, think I'll go grab some breakfast.
[14:58] <EarthBreeze> 30 meters is like dead now havent heard any signals at al
[14:59] <N9QIP> Joe...Matt / N9NMH is traveling to Michigan this AM. He will listen mobile on his way around Chicago.
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[14:59] <EarthBreeze> cool
[14:59] <W5VSI> I'm still hearing some Olivia or Domino beacons up the band a ways. Back in a while.
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[15:01] <N9QIP> Just heard RTTY agian on the hour. 10.145.2
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[15:01] <N9QIP> fairly strong...somebody with a better antenna than mine should be hearing this.
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[15:04] <craag> N9QIP: Looking at your QTH, you could be very close. What antenna are you using?
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[15:19] <N9QIP> sorry for delay...working at same time as playing with this.
[15:19] <EarthBreeze> I was just about to go out and do some stuff also.
[15:19] <N9QIP> Using a 80M Double Bazooka currently only ant. I got
[15:21] <cuddykid> CNN just emailed wanting to do a Skype interview - never done one of them before :S
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[15:21] <craag> Ah ok, sounds a bit like you might have LOS in that case.
[15:22] <Martian_Lander> hello
[15:22] <jiffe98> those saft batteries look pretty sweet
[15:23] <craag> Although given how wide the LOS circle is, doesn't help much with position.
[15:24] <UpuWork> just give them Josh's details cuddykid
[15:24] <cuddykid> haa, good idea UpuWork
[15:25] <Martian_Lander> XD
[15:25] <Martian_Lander> any atmel microcontroller needs capacitors on the quartz, right?
[15:26] <cuddykid> UpuWork: should hire him for the conf, though note - according to his blog "travel costs may be applicable" :D http://www.joshingtalk.com/products-services
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[15:27] <cuddykid> it gets better - "I am able to mentor, coach or tutor those seriously interested in learning any of my specialties. These include WordPress skills, creative thinking, making the most of social media and grabbing the attention of high profile figures!" I want could do with some of those skills
[15:28] <Exciton> Should I assume the KB9KHO flight is over? How did things go?
[15:28] <daveake> cuddykid Can I guess who wrote that?
[15:29] <N9QIP> Still hearing beacons just can't decode them.
[15:29] <cuddykid> go for it daveake :)
[15:29] <N9QIP> I think the balloon is still aloft.
[15:29] <Martian_Lander> daveake: or would you like to use your telephone joker?
[15:30] <daveake> Is that you?
[15:30] <Martian_Lander> no
[15:30] <Martian_Lander> I don'
[15:30] <Martian_Lander> I don't have wordpress skills
[15:30] <daveake> er, no, I mean are you the telephone joker?
[15:30] <eroomde> With deadlines met in fast time, creative English scripted to any subject and a unique feel, let me write for you today!
[15:31] <Exciton> N9...thanks for the update.
[15:31] <eroomde> I've got nothing
[15:32] <Martian_Lander> xD daveake maybe
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[15:40] <cuddykid> eroomde: isn't that page fascinating
[15:41] <eroomde> unbelievable
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[15:44] <k6sts> Is the balloon still up?
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[15:46] <craag> k6sts: It's believed so, one guy is receiving beacons that look like it but can't decode due to drifting freq.
[15:47] <k6sts> Thanks craag, think I'll stay with aprs on my next launch
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[15:49] <craag> It appears that it may partly be due to the payload experiencing temperatures of -55. We're pretty sure the LiPo batteries won't have liked that at all.
[15:51] <MrScienceMan> you would not like to piss off a lipo battery
[15:52] <MrScienceMan> ended up learning the first thing about extinguishing forrest fires
[15:53] Action: craag imagines a smoking shell of a payload drifting at 20km up, dangling wires just about holding together enough to put out the weak beacons..
[15:55] <craag> (Many apologies to the payload owner for that image)
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[15:56] <k6sts> My testing with energizer ultimate lithium AA looks good for short flights, need to test for long cold flights.
[15:57] <Darkside> they work fine
[15:57] <craag> As long as you don't try to recharge them :P I think people have found them to be reliable.
[16:00] <fsphil> they're excellent batteries
[16:00] <Darkside> haha oh cool
[16:00] <Darkside> i love this signal generator
[16:00] <Darkside> i can make it be an ionosonde
[16:00] <Darkside> almost
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[16:04] <N9QIP> OK guys, the beacons are still coming in. 10.145.20 Interval is every 10-Min. RTTY and some really bad CW @ 5 min.
[16:04] <N9QIP> currently aprox 1 min earlier than UTC.
[16:04] <eroomde> does that mean it's alive?
[16:04] <Darkside> N9QIP: where is it?
[16:05] <EarthBreeze> Len what times does it do it?
[16:05] <N9QIP> i'm hearing it on a 80m double bazooka with Icom 7700
[16:05] <fsphil> do you have any recordings N9QIP?
[16:05] <N9QIP> 1 minute aprox earlier than UTC
[16:05] <N9QIP> 4 minutes to go for RTTY
[16:06] <fsphil> I wonder if setting a really wide filter bandwidth would allow the rtty to decode
[16:06] <N9QIP> RTTY is sounding much cleaner now than before @ 7:am
[16:06] <EarthBreeze> so next would be at what time?
[16:07] <N9QIP> 11:09
[16:07] <N9QIP> computer time
[16:07] <EarthBreeze> OK
[16:07] <fsphil> please do try to record it, someone here might be able to get something out of it
[16:07] <N9QIP> Low angle antenna here, as I'm out of the skip zone
[16:08] <Darkside> N9QIP: what output power
[16:08] <Darkside> and what modes
[16:09] <EarthBreeze> http://www.qsl.net/nss/earthbreeze.html
[16:09] <Darkside> if its TXing now, i can't hear it
[16:10] <EarthBreeze> len tell us when you hear it.
[16:10] <N9QIP> Just beaconed out again.
[16:11] <N9QIP> need a low angle antenna ??
[16:11] <Darkside> nothing in the UK
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[16:11] <N9QIP> I have a guy with huge beam listening as well.
[16:11] <fsphil> I'm heading home shortly, will have a listen
[16:11] <EarthBreeze> OK, thats the same odbeacon I was hearing last night it starts off with something lke olivia or domino mode then changes to rtty then ded carrier all in less than 5 secods or so total transmission.
[16:12] <N9QIP> No....
[16:13] <EarthBreeze> I do not think that is the payload. the rtty and carrier would possibly be it malfunctioning, but the multi tone olivia or domino is deliberate and can't be made by mistake if it wasn't ever programmed to generate it.
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[16:13] <N9QIP> I heard it last nite many,many times and know what the beacon sounds like RTTY...
[16:13] <N9QIP> This is the baloon
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[16:13] <EarthBreeze> are yu hearing something different len?
[16:13] <EarthBreeze> how long does it last?
[16:14] <N9QIP> steadyness of the RTTY is getting much better as day goes on. CW is still very shaky
[16:14] <N9QIP> just a few seconds.
[16:14] <N9QIP> cw is longer
[16:15] <N9QIP> I'm trying to record it but so darn noisy around here.
[16:15] <EarthBreeze> gonna try a global tuner. try to record it and e mail it to me.
[16:15] <N9QIP> I have to run to Madison for work here but will b back.
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[16:18] <cuddykid> that was cool - chatting to CNN guy in Atlanta - he's going to do a mashup of the stuff I said with photos I think
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[16:22] <WB8ELK> a mention that this has been going on for 25 years would be nice...the news folks usually act like this is the first time it has been done ;-)
[16:22] <W5VSI> Still nada in CO.
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[16:25] <cuddykid> WB8ELK: asked if they can specifically mention UKHAS :)
[16:26] <WB8ELK> sounds great cuddy...nice resource...my first photo from Near Space was in 1987 using a pocket film camera
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[16:26] <EarthBreeze> yeah I remember doing that 36 exp of kodachrome!
[16:26] <cuddykid> WB8ELK: you are the founding farther of HAB! :)
[16:27] <x-f> WB8ELK, do you have it scanned somewhere?
[16:27] <WB8ELK> I'll have to find some of those old photos to send you
[16:27] <cuddykid> yes - that would be awesome
[16:27] <WB8ELK> I will try to do that this week
[16:27] <EarthBreeze> Bill what ya think of the theroie flying around?
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[16:28] <WB8ELK> Joe...think it may be on the ground...haven't heard a peep from it at all even using the Milwaukee internet radio
[16:29] <WB8ELK> Joe...have you heard it at all this morning?
[16:29] <EarthBreeze> But on the ground someone should have propagation to it you would thnk, and i have tried every global tuner and not a sound
[16:29] <EarthBreeze> nothing direct here
[16:29] <EarthBreeze> Len thnks but no decode.
[16:29] <WB8ELK> unless it's flat on the ground or theantenna is in a pile
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[16:29] <WB8ELK> did Len record the audio he heard?
[16:30] <EarthBreeze> we are tryng to get him to do that
[16:30] <WB8ELK> is he still hearing something now?
[16:30] <WB8ELK> and where is he located?
[16:30] <EarthBreeze> every ten minutes he says
[16:31] <BASE_Depauw> Pat KC6VVT has heard some signals from Tonica IL
[16:31] <EarthBreeze> he says it is not tht beacon up near say 3000 in the waterfall.
[16:31] <WB8ELK> Hi Howard...see if Pat can record the audio
[16:32] <WB8ELK> ok...there is some PACTOR and other modes up higher
[16:33] <WB8ELK> cuddy: congrats on the news coverage...I look forward to seeing the CNN report...please post a link to it when you see it
[16:33] <EarthBreeze> i keep hearing a must be just beacon it starts off with like olivia or domino, then goes to rtty then carrier
[16:34] <WB8ELK> that's PACTOR or something similar....the first part is the identifier...then RTTY then a wide band noisy mess
[16:34] <WB8ELK> like now
[16:34] <EarthBreeze> Bill if it landed where we think it may have because of malfunction, awfully dense population, I would think someone would jave found it by now.
[16:34] <WB8ELK> actually that is just far enough out it could be in a field
[16:35] <EarthBreeze> true
[16:35] <EarthBreeze> that bag makes it stand out for sure 315 square feet of pure white
[16:35] <WB8ELK> ask Len if the transmissions he hears are at exactly every 10 minutes and is it 00:10 or something else?
[16:36] <WB8ELK> maybe it's near him on the ground
[16:36] <EarthBreeze> he says it's ten minutes but min earlier than it should be,
[16:36] <EarthBreeze> 09, 19, 29 etc.
[16:36] <WB8ELK> odd that it isn't doing CW
[16:36] <EarthBreeze> no way, he's far to north
[16:36] <WB8ELK> what frequency is he on
[16:36] <EarthBreeze> 10.1452
[16:37] <WB8ELK> thats about what I've been monitoring
[16:37] <EarthBreeze> arlington, WI.
[16:37] <WB8ELK> well...if he can record the audio...then we can try to decode it
[16:38] <EarthBreeze> yup
[16:38] <EarthBreeze> http://www.manta.com/cmap/mm79j34/kreyer-kreyer
[16:39] <WB8ELK> Cuddy:...if you are talking with CNN...maybe you can also mention ARHAB.org for a good resource
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[16:40] <EarthBreeze> that beacon
[16:41] <WB8ELK> Len is not far from you...wonder how he can hear it and you can't
[16:42] <EarthBreeze> especially been using the loop and the vertical
[16:42] <WB8ELK> what is Len using for an antenna?
[16:43] <EarthBreeze> aklso a loop
[16:43] <EarthBreeze> no, a dipole,,, I can't remember
[16:43] <WB8ELK> gotta put up a loop here...I have the land to do it
[16:43] <EarthBreeze> make it as long as possib;le of course fed with open line
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[16:45] <EarthBreeze> I think he had to run to madison for a bit. like i gotta go shortly for a hour or so also.
[16:45] <WB8ELK> gotta get ready to leave...73s for now
[16:45] <EarthBreeze> c ya
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[16:46] <EarthBreeze> I'll be back in a while guys.
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[17:59] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[18:00] <Upu> evening Lunar
[18:00] <Upu> I'm fine how are you ?
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[18:01] <Lunar_Lander> I'm good, too
[18:01] <Lunar_Lander> do you know much about microcontroller oscillators?
[18:03] <mclane> whats the issue?
[18:04] <Lunar_Lander> OK, I looked at the Mega Pro 3.3V from Sparkfun and they use a 8 MHz SMD oscillator that comes with the capacitors inside
[18:04] <Lunar_Lander> and according to Mouser, these are 33 pF capacitors
[18:05] <Lunar_Lander> I thought about porting an Atmega2560 to perfboard by an adapter for a future payload, and I asked myself when I get a 8 MHz crystal, do I need 22 pF or 33 pF caps?
[18:06] <mclane> look into the data sheet / app note of the Atmega2560
[18:06] <mclane> the caps depend on the details of the internal oscillator circuit
[18:07] <Lunar_Lander> ah, OK
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[18:07] <mclane> use what Atmel defines there
[18:07] <mclane> otherwise, the oscillator may not oscillate
[18:07] <Hix> evening guys
[18:07] <mclane> under certain conditions
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[18:09] <Hix> can anyone remember the microsoft serial mouse issue with usv-serial adaptors? Can't remember find what to disable in device manager
[18:09] <Hix> i.e gps pulses cause random windows events
[18:10] <Lunar_Lander> mclane, OK give me a minute
[18:11] <Lunar_Lander> "System Clock and Clock Options" seems to be a good chapter?
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[18:12] <eroomde> it's a classic that one
[18:12] <eroomde> couldn't put it down
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[18:13] <mclane> I would look there
[18:13] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[18:13] <Lunar_Lander> it says 12-22 pF
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[18:17] <Lunar_Lander> hello radim_OM2AMR
[18:17] <radim_OM2AMR> Hello Lunar_Lander
[18:18] <mclane> Lunar, then go for something in between (e.g. 15 pF)
[18:19] <radim_OM2AMR> Lunar_Lander, I have great news ! ;-) We will fly STS-2 this week probably. I have to generate tracker doc
[18:19] <fsphil> or buy a variety, see what works
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[18:19] <radim_OM2AMR> Upu, are you here ?
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[18:20] <Lunar_Lander> radim_OM2AMR, COOL
[18:20] <Upu> I am radim_OM2AMR
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[18:21] <radim_OM2AMR> Hi Anthony, we will have next launch this week probably in thuesday or friday
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[18:21] <Upu> ok just make sure your document is still valid
[18:21] <radim_OM2AMR> should I generate new doc for tracker ? We will fly same HW
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[18:22] <DanielRichman> is that STS-1?
[18:22] <Upu> Just amend the existing one with new dates I think
[18:22] <radim_OM2AMR> yes, our doc is valid, so please could you add STS-2 payload with the same variables ?
[18:22] <DanielRichman> you are changing the transmotted callsign?
[18:23] <radim_OM2AMR> DanielRichman, yes, we will increment flight number in STS- callsign
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[18:25] <DanielRichman> http://habitat.habhub.org/genpayload <-- start from existing payload. Find STS-1 and edit the sentence callsign. Then start from existing flight, choose STS-1 then change the name and dates, swap the STS 1 payload at the bottom for the new STS 2
[18:25] <W5VSI> CUL folks. I think EarthBreeze has abandoned all hope :=( de Mike W5VSI sk
[18:25] <DanielRichman> finally after saving the flight tell me its ID and I can check/approve it
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[18:26] <radim_OM2AMR> OK, DanielRichman, I will do it. I'm waiting currently for exact date approval
[18:26] <DanielRichman> if your payload's callsign was just STS you would be able to skip the first step, since you could reuse the payload confoguration and just set new dates
[18:27] <radim_OM2AMR> we were asked by one guy who is preparing demo flight for slovak broadcast and television to provide our tracker to their flight ;-)
[18:28] <radim_OM2AMR> OK, it's no problem, I will post the ID to you when will be final date available
[18:29] <radim_OM2AMR> Thank you Daniel !
[18:30] <cuddykid> evening
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[18:36] <cuddykid> haha, just had a tweet from the tallest man in America!
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[18:39] <Hix> anyone see the shuttle launch photo today? http://i.imgur.com/tdnfp.jpg
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[18:43] <x-f> Hix, what is that in the foreground?
[18:44] <Hix> looks like freefallers with a drogue chute
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[18:44] <Lunar_Lander> hello BASE_DePauw
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[18:44] <x-f> photobombers
[18:45] <Hix> :D
[18:45] <Lunar_Lander> is this Dr. Brooks?
[18:48] <cuddykid> that's incredible
[18:52] <Lunar_Lander> BASE_DePauw, is this Dr. Howard Brooks?
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[18:55] <cuddykid> looks like all of GoDaddy hosted sites are down lol
[18:58] <Hix> is TinyGPS a bad library to use for HAB?
[18:58] <Darkside> Hix: i use it
[18:58] <Darkside> its an easy enough way of parsing NMEA data
[18:59] <Darkside> and with mods, it can parse uBlox's PUBX data
[18:59] <Hix> ok cool, looking at it now. Thought it was deemed a bad thing like software serial
[19:00] <MrScienceMan> its not that is bad, more of create anoything constrains
[19:00] <MrScienceMan> import ispell.h
[19:00] <Hix> he he, I'm the annoying constraint at the moment
[19:01] <MrScienceMan> the above line is the result from coding in python after prolong exposure to C
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[19:10] <Hix> got any info on the PUBX mods please Darkside?
[19:12] <Lunar_Lander> Darkside, can I ask you a short question? https://github.com/stilldavid/high-altitude/blob/8dfbd964189469b22c06f170c290e21ffb351e77/balloon_minimal/balloon_minimal.pde
[19:12] <Lunar_Lander> in that code, would the TinyGPS modified for Ublox work OK?
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[19:20] <Hix> ahh got it. http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:falcom_fsa03
[19:20] <Hix> and http://ukhas.org.uk/_media/code:tinygps.zip
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[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> that I meant
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[19:26] <SP9UOB> Hi
[19:26] <SP9UOB> any news about KB9KHO ?
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[19:26] <Upu> I think its officially AWOL
[19:26] <SP9UOB> :-(
[19:27] Nick change: chris_99b -> chris_99
[19:27] <SP9UOB> my new tracker: http://sp9uob.verox.pl/hab2.jpg http://sp9uob.verox.pl/hab1.jpg
[19:27] <Upu> nice
[19:27] <SP9UOB> 2 way APRS
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[19:28] <Darkside> ooh
[19:28] <Darkside> whats the receiver?
[19:28] <Upu> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/63720513/Images/PCB%20Pictures/pAvaR6.jpg thats mine, not as complex I think
[19:28] <SP9UOB> Darkside: optional Baofeng :-)
[19:28] <Upu> lol
[19:28] <Darkside> ahh:P
[19:28] <Darkside> doing the demod in software?
[19:29] <Darkside> or externally
[19:29] <SP9UOB> Darkside: yes, on DSP core :-)
[19:29] <Darkside> heh ok
[19:29] <Gadget-Mac> Evening all
[19:29] <Darkside> yep, thats the benefit of the dsPICs
[19:29] <Upu> evening Gadget-Mac
[19:29] <Darkside> if i did it. i'd probably use a MX621 or something
[19:29] <Upu> SP9UOB did you purchase the HX1 from me ?
[19:29] <Upu> I'm asking as I sold my last one today
[19:29] <Gadget-Mac> Congrats to those involved with the weekends flights
[19:30] <SP9UOB> Upu: no :-) but ublox and sarrantel
[19:30] <Upu> ok cool
[19:30] <Upu> just wondering whether to get some more HX1's in stock
[19:30] <SP9UOB> Upu: my brother in UK send two hx1 to me
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[19:30] <Upu> ok
[19:30] <Gadget-Mac> Anyone got recommendations for soldering irons to do simple SMT ?
[19:31] <Darkside> Gadget-Mac: Hakko FX-888
[19:31] <SP9UOB> Soldering microsd socket was wery tricky :-)
[19:31] <Darkside> yes
[19:31] <Darkside> those are a pain
[19:31] <Upu> yeah I did one of those on Cuddy's board don't like
[19:31] <Darkside> stick the iron in where the card goes in, and put the solder in from the top
[19:32] <cuddykid> did a fantastic job though Upu :D
[19:32] <Upu> are you using that cuddykid ?
[19:32] <cuddykid> I managed to destroy a couple before I handed it over
[19:32] <SP9UOB> Darkside: hotair and solderpaste did the trick :-)
[19:32] <cuddykid> Upu: yup
[19:32] <Upu> the SD ?
[19:32] <Upu> cool
[19:32] <cuddykid> works well to keep a log
[19:32] <Darkside> SP9UOB: i don't like using solder paste
[19:33] <Darkside> or hot air for that matter
[19:33] <Darkside> not unless i have no other choice
[19:33] <Darkside> but thats just a personal thin
[19:33] <Darkside> thing
[19:33] <Upu> I don't like solder paste either
[19:33] <Upu> but I used it on the SD
[19:33] <Upu> and on the bottom of this TPS (which I think stands for total pain in the aSs)
[19:33] <Darkside> haha
[19:33] <Darkside> i do that one all by hand :D
[19:33] <Darkside> just need to use lots of liquid flux
[19:34] <Darkside> or put a huge via through the board under it, so you can solder it from the other side
[19:34] <Upu> well I inadvertantly made it easier
[19:34] <Darkside> i saw you didn't put any vias in there Upu
[19:34] <Upu> I did
[19:34] <Darkside> on the uAVA board anyway
[19:34] <Upu> oh no that was done in an oven
[19:34] <Darkside> the vias are necessary
[19:34] <Darkside> its for heatsinking
[19:35] <Upu> I've not been able to test this though
[19:35] <SP9UOB> Darkside: nice idea (huge via) :-)
[19:35] <Upu> well all the uava boards have been fine
[19:35] <Darkside> SP9UOB: i've used it on a few boards with WFNs
[19:35] <Darkside> QFNs*
[19:35] <Darkside> you use tacky solder (let it sit on teh tip for a bit) to hold the chip down initially
[19:35] <Darkside> then solder from the bottom, to lock it in place
[19:36] <Darkside> then use flux and solder to solder the pins on teh side on
[19:36] <Upu> the side pins are wasy
[19:36] <Darkside> using a very wide-tipped (5mm) solderin iron
[19:36] <Upu> its getting it tacked thats hard
[19:37] <Upu> I feel like some sort of soldering jedi master after that
[19:38] <SP9UOB> ok, back to the soldering :-)
[19:40] <SP9UOB> Upu: i have question about sarrantel antenna
[19:40] <Upu> shoot
[19:40] <SP9UOB> cap is loose
[19:40] <Upu> yep I tend to glue them on with a hot glue gun
[19:41] <SP9UOB> ahh ok :-)
[19:41] <Upu> just a tip, only put a small amount of glue in the actual cap and only on about half of it, or else when you push it on it seals and you can't get it any further
[19:42] <SP9UOB> ok, thanks :-)
[19:43] <Upu> if you screw it up don't worry you can hot air it back off ~50'C
[19:44] <nigelvh> Yes, hot air gun is great for hot glue re-melting
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[19:44] <nigelvh> Use that feature rather frequently
[19:45] <SP9UOB> nigelvh: and soldering, desoldering, tube shrinking and to fire up the grill - a must-have tool :-)
[19:46] <nigelvh> Yes. Also fill in darkening when doing wood burning art.
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[19:53] <Hix> I'm going through the FAS03 wiki and Arduino says that
[19:53] <Hix> "As of Arduino 1.0, the 'BYTE' keyword is no longer supported.
[19:53] <Hix> Please use Serial.write() instead."
[19:53] <k6sts> Does anyone know what the relaxed fill neck diameter is of the 1600g Hwoyee balloon is.
[19:54] <Upu> ~8-10cms ?
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[19:55] <SP9UOB> k6sts: i have one. I can measure it for You
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[19:56] <Upu> d8.3
[19:56] <Upu> http://www.hwoyee.com/base.asp?scclassid=521
[19:56] <Upu> average burst 36000 meters "haha"
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[19:58] <k6sts> I saw the 8.3cm but did not know if that is the relaxed dia. I need to turn a fill adptr and I haven't opened the bag yet.
[19:59] <Upu> we generally just use a 2-3" diameter tube
[19:59] <Upu> and tie wrap it on
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[19:59] <Upu> you can fold the excess rubber over
[19:59] <Upu> are you aware of the floaty behaviour of the 1600g's ?
[20:00] <Randomskk> you need to add a few stirks
[20:00] <Randomskk> to be sure
[20:00] <k6sts> Ok, thanks. I hope it does float.
[20:00] <Upu> lol
[20:00] <Upu> in that case no Stirks
[20:00] <Randomskk> oh well then
[20:00] <Randomskk> it probably won't
[20:01] <Randomskk> they only float if you really don't want them to
[20:01] <Upu> and you're not using a Lipo are you ?
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[20:02] <k6sts> Energizer ultimate lithium. primary
[20:02] <Upu> jolly good
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[20:05] <griffonbot> Received email: John Tanner "[UKHAS] UKHASer on io9"
[20:06] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "Re: [UKHAS] UKHASer on io9"
[20:06] <Darkside> lol
[20:09] <cuddykid> just done the radio interview - great speaking to the guys in Australia :D
[20:09] <Upu> lol
[20:09] <cuddykid> they were like 'good morning' - had to correct them
[20:09] <Darkside> australia?
[20:10] <cuddykid> ABC Melbourne
[20:10] <Darkside> bah
[20:10] <Darkside> we've done heaps of camera launches in australia
[20:10] <Darkside> and we don't get on ABC
[20:10] <cuddykid> very odd
[20:10] <Upu> this happened to Rob
[20:10] <Darkside> we did get on a few kids science shows
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[20:11] <cuddykid> anyone heard of 'thinking digital' conference?
[20:11] <Lunar_Lander> a friend of me just asked if the atmega2560 can be programmed via JTAG
[20:11] <Lunar_Lander> what advantages would that have?
[20:12] <Darkside> unless you want to do on-chip debugging, not much
[20:12] <nigelvh> Does your friend really mean JTAG or does he mean the ICSP header?
[20:12] <Darkside> on-chip debugging is nice though
[20:12] <Darkside> nigelvh: i think the larger atmegas to have jtag
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[20:13] <Darkside> do have*
[20:13] <Darkside> or maybe i'm thinking of the XMega's
[20:13] <nigelvh> That may be the case, I'm just saying some people confuse the ICSP header on an arduino for a JTAG port.
[20:13] <Darkside> heh
[20:13] <nigelvh> (People who aren't terribly familiar)
[20:14] <Lunar_Lander> I told him about how to load the arduino bootloader via programmer and ICSP
[20:14] <Lunar_Lander> and then he talked if JTAG is also available
[20:14] <Lunar_Lander> *asked
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[20:14] <nigelvh> Ah, then it seems he is specifically asking about JTAG then. I don't know on the 2560
[20:15] <nigelvh> Never used JTAG myself
[20:15] <Lunar_Lander> I just checked, the datasheet says something about it
[20:15] <Darkside> jtag is nice whe nyou want to do live debugging
[20:15] <Darkside> but i've never had a need for it in my designs
[20:15] <Lunar_Lander> the thing why we talked about it was because I saw that atemga2560 to protoboard adapter
[20:15] <Darkside> none have been that complex
[20:15] <Darkside> Lunar_Lander: may as well just get an arduino mega
[20:15] <Lunar_Lander> and as I got it, I'd need a ICSP connected to the SPI lines and then burn the bootloader with a programmer
[20:15] <Lunar_Lander> yeah I got that but I thought the future would be to get rid of the arduino as such
[20:16] <Lunar_Lander> or so
[20:16] <nigelvh> That's what I do. I program the arduino bootloader, then use the serial lines.
[20:16] <Darkside> i don't use serial programming on any of my boards
[20:16] <Darkside> whats the point if you have an ISP programmer anyway
[20:16] <Darkside> heh, ISP programmer.. redunancy much
[20:16] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:16] <Lunar_Lander> nigelvh, you mean something like using the FTDI?
[20:16] <Darkside> you can program ardino sketches via an ISP easily
[20:16] <griffonbot> @PD3EM: @adamcudworth Nice! Are you going to be the #UKHAS/HAB global PR-man? ;-) [http://twitter.com/PD3EM/status/245254554592108544]
[20:16] <nigelvh> Serial programming works when you forgot to bring an ICSP programmer
[20:17] <Darkside> nigelvh: hah
[20:17] <Darkside> but in my case the serial lines are all hardwired to a gps module
[20:17] <nigelvh> I tend to use the 1280 or the 2560 so I've got four uarts anyway
[20:17] <Darkside> yeah, thats always nice to have
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[20:17] <Darkside> i like the look of the 1281/2561's
[20:18] <Darkside> for when you don't really need 80 GPIOs
[20:18] <Darkside> lol
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[20:18] <nigelvh> Also, if I'm watching the output on the serial port, then I don't have to connect any different cables to program with the serial bootloader.
[20:18] <nigelvh> Not saying it's better, just can be convenient.
[20:18] <Darkside> yes
[20:18] <nigelvh> Can't set fuses over serial.
[20:19] <Darkside> mm
[20:19] <nigelvh> I also need to rig up a HV icsp for those instances when I set the fuses wrong and it becomes unresponsive
[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> oh
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[20:21] <Darkside> i need to have a look at how they do the usb serial stuff in the ATMega16U2's
[20:21] <Darkside> i want to use a single atmega to talk usb serial, and control a DDS chip
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[20:22] <nigelvh> Yeah, arduino moved that direction, but I havne't taken the time to look into it.
[20:23] <Lunar_Lander> today I read about a dual-core arduino
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[20:45] <EarthBreeze> Greetings, who is here?
[20:46] <Randomskk> hi
[20:46] <Randomskk> what news?
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[20:47] <EarthBreeze> Not much, was just wondering if anyone hard from the payload yet.
[20:47] <k9ilu> Richard down here in Indiana about 30 miles south and little west of South Bend. Nothing heard on 10.145 since last night
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[20:47] <EarthBreeze> yeah same here, nd tht's odd.
[20:47] <Randomskk> :(
[20:48] <k9ilu> At this location it should have pass just about overhead
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[20:48] <EarthBreeze> yeah eventually, bummer
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[20:51] <k9ilu> I was wondering about it last night when the outside temp really went down and the inside temp stopped a 0...
[20:51] Nick change: aTRain__ -> [a]Train
[20:53] <EarthBreeze> me too wondere why that one stopped changing.
[20:54] <MrScienceMan> bad code?
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> hello EarthBreeze
[20:55] <k9ilu> could be any number of reasons. when things start getting really cold.
[20:55] <EarthBreeze> hard to say. and yeah it ws cold he he he -47 was the last readng I got.
[20:56] <Randomskk> the worst part is that it could be floating perfectly at altitude and just not telling anyone. :(
[20:56] <EarthBreeze> exactly and because where it is, it may never get warm enough, it's designed to park at like 22 to 22K meters. right there last hecked it was -55C
[20:57] <k9ilu> I liked you design to get it to float. My though too. Who knows where it well come down. or when.
[20:57] <EarthBreeze> the way it is made as soon as it has enough power it will transmits and will forever solar powered.
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[20:59] <EarthBreeze> even if all the cells go flat dead, as soon as the solar panel is providing enough power, it should transmit again granted the CPU will reset, but thats OK too.
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[21:01] <EarthBreeze> it would then be rtty only and at 1 a minute again.
[21:01] <[a]Train> Did you guys lose a balloon
[21:01] <griffonbot> Received email: GTJF "[UKHAS] Re: Potential Launch This Friday (14/09)"
[21:01] <EarthBreeze> it froze.
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[21:02] <[a]Train> how long has it been up there?
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[21:09] <EarthBreeze> launched 01:00Z yesterday
[21:11] <[a]Train> I am central, so that is like Sept 8th 20:00
[21:12] <[a]Train> I had no idea there was this big of a community for this stuff. I just launched my first balloon 2 weeks ago.
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[21:14] <EarthBreeze> been doing it for 25 years
[21:14] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[21:14] <DrLuke> welcome [a]Train :)
[21:17] <[a]Train> wow. I had a lot of fun doing my launch. took me about 4 months to get it all put together.
[21:17] <griffonbot> Received email: Adam Cudworth "[UKHAS] Re: Potential Launch This Friday (14/09)"
[21:18] <priyesh> Upu: hey upu, do you know if there are any flights tomorrow?
[21:18] <Randomskk> check the calendar right, it's totally accurate :P
[21:18] <priyesh> there are not
[21:19] <priyesh> in which case, can we use it for our open evening?
[21:19] <priyesh> i'm doing payload config + flight doc right now
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[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> hello priyesh
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[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> how is Apex doing?
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[21:26] <griffonbot> Received email: Ed Moore "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Potential Launch This Friday (14/09)"
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[21:27] <priyesh> Lunar_Lander: going good - new academic year just started
[21:27] <priyesh> so we have our school's open evening
[21:27] <priyesh> planning a tethered launch for tomorrow above the school
[21:27] <Randomskk> recruit all the young freshers
[21:27] <Randomskk> (and then hurry up and come to uni priyesh)
[21:27] <priyesh> 1 more year!
[21:27] <priyesh> (scary)
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[21:27] <Randomskk> hehe
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[21:28] <Lunar_Lander> cool
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[21:34] <Upu> not aware of any priyesh
[21:35] <priyesh> Upu: okay - could the tracker be setup for apex please?
[21:35] <priyesh> SGS Open Evening
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[21:36] <Upu> Sure
[21:36] <Upu> I'll ask if we can remove the tracks on there already
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[21:36] <priyesh> sure
[21:36] <priyesh> thanks
[21:38] <jcoxon> evening all
[21:38] <jcoxon> any sign of earthbreeze?
[21:38] <Randomskk> he was on a minute or so ago
[21:38] <Randomskk> no news yet
[21:39] <Upu> some vague reports of it being heard but nothing concrete
[21:39] <jcoxon> oh dear
[21:39] <Upu> LiPos
[21:39] <Upu> and intended float was 20km
[21:39] <Upu> not a good combo
[21:40] <Upu> ping radim_OM2AMR
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[21:44] <Randomskk> it had lithium primaries as backups
[21:44] <Randomskk> iirc
[21:44] <Upu> oh
[21:44] <Upu> I thought it was just solar + lipos
[21:45] <jcoxon> it had lithiums as backup
[21:47] <Upu> ok
[21:47] <jcoxon> i wonder if running 2m rtty would have been better
[21:47] <jcoxon> i guess over the atlantic would have been the usual problem
[21:48] <Randomskk> it's worked before
[21:48] <Randomskk> :P
[21:51] <jcoxon> true
[21:55] <EarthBreeze> nothing heard here yet
[21:56] <N9QIP> I'm back from work duties....Nothing heard here anymore.
[21:57] <N9QIP> I personally think it kept going via wind direction...somebody South of here has got to hear it. Over my horizion for sure.
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> ah hi jcoxon may I ask a quick question on the ublox page on UKHAS?
[21:59] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander, don't ask to ask, just ask
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> did you do the modified tinyGPS library and does it work with arduino 1.0?
[22:00] <EarthBreeze> I think so also, because if it would have come down a few things that bag is huge 315 square feet easily found by someone. plus once it warmed up it would have started transmitting again.
[22:00] <EarthBreeze> and if it is still t the esign altitude it's still sitting in -55C enviroment
[22:01] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander, its pre-arduino1.0
[22:01] <jcoxon> its old
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[22:01] <jcoxon> not the way i'd do it these days
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> so it won't work?
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[22:02] <jcoxon> night
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[22:54] <N9QIP> Next one Joe has to have APRS 2-M aboard even if just fractional power.
[22:55] <N9QIP> much easier to keep track of it.
[22:55] <N9QIP> bigger audience
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[23:00] <natrium42> any news about the floater?
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[23:03] <KD0MEQ> Whats the latest?
[23:05] <KD0MEQ> On KB9KHO I mean.
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[23:08] <EarthBreeze> still hopeing people try to hear it. it has to thaw out sometime
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[23:09] <KD0MEQ> ah ok...i am monitoring 10.145 for the RTTY transmission...hear a weak sig at 4 minutes after, waiting to see if it comes on again at 10 minutes after
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[23:11] <KD0MEQ> Just heard a short TTY burst...is it alive?
[23:12] <EarthBreeze> unless damage to the electronics happens from the freeze, the way this was made it would never die solar powered.
[23:12] <EarthBreeze> so it could litterally be transmitting forever
[23:14] <KD0MEQ> Ok just changed my FLDIGI to match the RTTY you are sending...weel see on the next trans...but this last one had bars all over the place...not very clean on this end in STL
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[23:16] <KD0MEQ> What are the rest of you using to decode the RTTY?
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[23:16] <Lunar_Lander> dl-fldigi
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[23:22] <EarthBreeze> dl
[23:24] <N9QIP> Joe, you there????
[23:25] <N9QIP> I got a buddy in Michigan City Indiana that thinks he can hear it.
[23:25] <N9QIP> He may join the chat room here if he can figger it out.
[23:26] <N9QIP> His Call is KC9MDS
[23:27] <N9QIP> I told him to record it if possible.
[23:31] <KD0MEQ> Something is transmitting at 1800 on the waterfall right now...dosent sound like rtty
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[23:33] <KD0MEQ> There was a short burst of RTTY....didnt catch it that time...ill try again
[23:33] <griffonbot> Received email: Henry Hallam "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Launch this Saturday 8th - Bello Mondo-11"
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[23:47] <EarthBreeze> I'm back, what is that horrid mode being transmitted now wow band hog!
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[23:50] <EarthBreeze> that is one nasty sounding signal.
[23:50] <KD0MEQ> Been going on for 10 min or so
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[23:50] <EarthBreeze> hi mark
[23:50] <ka9szx> Hi Joe
[23:50] <ka9szx> I just got done reading your email and thought I would stop by.
[23:51] <EarthBreeze> a lot of it huh?
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[23:51] <ka9szx> From what I can gather my station probably will not assist you.
[23:51] <EarthBreeze> what ya mean.
[23:52] <ka9szx> Yea
[23:52] <EarthBreeze> yea?
[23:52] <ka9szx> Yea earthbreeze.
[23:53] <EarthBreeze> can't get the program to run?
[23:53] <ka9szx> I just got off work and found out my dad has not eaten all day.
[23:53] <EarthBreeze> wow not good
[23:53] <ka9szx> No, so we are going out to eat
[23:54] <EarthBreeze> thats cool
[23:54] <ka9szx> Yea we are deciding.
[23:55] <ka9szx> So, I think what would be good is for people to listen if they are distant and possibly if it pops and lands you might catch it but you and I are a little close for 30 meters.
[23:55] <EarthBreeze> we are having like parmesean cruted chicken but with itialian nd aseago cheeses instea. yum
[23:55] <EarthBreeze> absolutely need skip people listening.
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[23:56] <ka9szx> Bill might be able to help but he is a little close as well
[23:56] Nick change: Dave -> Guest9643
[23:56] <EarthBreeze> that signl that os on the freq now is horrible!
[23:57] <ka9szx> I think I will pull my reciever down, unless you think it is going to land near me.
[23:58] <EarthBreeze> I wonder who can run a prediction if it parked at 22K Meters, and is still there, where it would be now...
[23:58] <ka9szx> What is 22 K in feet?
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[23:58] <EarthBreeze> roughly 72K feet
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[23:59] <ka9szx> I think Bill could do that, have you chatted with him today?
[23:59] <EarthBreeze> this morning but not since then.
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