highaltitude.log.20120909

[00:00] <natrium42> daveake: http://pastie.org/pastes/4687769/text?key=1aythjvftqjqxxmdb2w9iq
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[00:00] <natrium42> oh, wow
[00:00] <natrium42> daveake: that photo is a win <3
[00:00] <natrium42> wow
[00:00] <natrium42> +1
[00:00] <griffonbot> @daveake: One weather balloon photographed from another (mine!) at an altitude of about 36km http://t.co/cT53FWYe #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/daveake/status/244586132996771840]
[00:01] <daveake> I think that gains me quite a few HAB points :)
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[00:01] <daveake> We launched those two together, and they didn't separate for *ages*
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[00:02] <daveake> Obviously we both got our neck lifts just right :)
[00:03] <natrium42> daveake: which balloon is it in the photo?
[00:04] <daveake> Darkside's
[00:04] <daveake> 1600 hwoyee helium
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[00:07] <natrium42> :)
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[00:13] <griffonbot> @PD3EM: RT @daveake: One weather balloon photographed from another (mine!) at an altitude of about 36km http://t.co/cT53FWYe #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/PD3EM/status/244589322731388929]
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[00:20] <griffonbot> Received email: David Akerman "Re: [UKHAS] Launch this Saturday 8th - XABEN 34"
[00:22] <Lunar_Lander> hello natrium42
[00:22] <Lunar_Lander> daveake, http://s.gullipics.com/image/g/h/4/5ztqsz-jdi4jq-zwy7/Bildschirmfotovom20120908205749.png
[00:23] <natrium42> hi kevin
[00:23] <daveake> I prefer my photos :)
[00:25] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[00:30] <Darkside> andh i am home
[00:32] <Lunar_Lander> wb Darkside
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[00:32] <Darkside> im gonna watch dr who then bed
[00:32] <Lunar_Lander> what I asked myself, we once talked about the atmega1280 and atmega2560 that they are only there in SMD
[00:33] <Lunar_Lander> and someone here had an australian shop that sells SMD to THT adaptors
[00:33] <Darkside> THT?
[00:33] <Darkside> oh
[00:33] <Lunar_Lander> are there other ways to get one of these to perfboard?
[00:33] <daveake> I'm too tired for Dr Who
[00:33] <Darkside> right
[00:33] <Lunar_Lander> through-hole-technology
[00:33] <Darkside> daveake: i'm crashing, but i've got a little while
[00:35] <BrainDamage> smd breakouts is probably the most sane choice
[00:35] <BrainDamage> the alternatives are hand soldering wires to the pins, or other fancy methods that take a lot of time, and generally won't be very mechanically reliable
[00:35] <Lunar_Lander> OK
[00:38] <daveake> Darkside's balloon on the way up http://i.imgur.com/SedQf.jpg
[00:38] <Darkside> ooh i missed that one
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[00:39] <daveake> Dunno if you scrolled up to see, but this one (you showed me in the car) is my favourite - http://i.imgur.com/OT2VE.jpg
[00:39] <Darkside> yeah
[00:39] <Darkside> i've posted that one on facebook already :P
[00:39] <daveake> :)
[00:40] <daveake> That looks *so* close to the coast :)
[00:40] <daveake> Yeah I posted it on FB too :)
[00:40] <Darkside> :P
[00:40] <Darkside> so yeah, 1.257km in a straight line from balloon to balloon
[00:40] <daveake> It is pretty much a perfect shot
[00:41] <Darkside> man
[00:41] <Darkside> that far away
[00:41] <Darkside> how big is the balloon..
[00:41] <daveake> do that maths :)
[00:41] <Darkside> need calibration info
[00:41] <Darkside> :-)
[00:41] <daveake> I'll do that
[00:42] <daveake> It's very shiny
[00:42] <Darkside> yeah
[00:42] <Darkside> its gotta be thin
[00:42] <Darkside> hmm
[00:42] <daveake> yes
[00:43] <daveake> Compare with that shot of it on the way up
[00:43] <Darkside> so we need to work out how many degrees a pixel subtends
[00:43] <daveake> much earlier
[00:43] <daveake> yes
[00:43] <Darkside> hrm
[00:43] <Darkside> well
[00:43] <Darkside> you could put a ruler at a known distanc ein front of the camera
[00:43] <Darkside> work out how many pixels per cm or whatever
[00:44] <Darkside> and then we should be able to work it out from gemoetry
[00:44] <Darkside> geometry*
[00:44] <daveake> You can also wotk it out from the focal length and sensor size and number of pixels
[00:44] <Darkside> hmm
[00:45] <daveake> On one of my projects the guy I work with does that stuff a lot
[00:45] <daveake> I can ask him
[00:45] <daveake> But actually it's not tricky
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[00:48] <Darkside> hmm
[00:48] <Lunar_Lander> BrainDamage, someone actually sells a ready made board for the atmega2560 on ebay germany
[00:48] <Lunar_Lander> one that transforms TQFP-100 to THT
[00:49] <daveake> ok nn see y'all in the morn'
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[00:56] <Lunar_Lander> good night!
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[00:58] <Darkside> ok
[00:58] <Darkside> rough calculations using the cameras 35mm equivalent focal length
[00:58] <Darkside> givesme a 10m diameter for the balloon
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[01:23] <ww9a> Any word on the KB9KHO balloon?
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[06:42] <griffonbot> @AnthonyStirk: RT @daveake: One weather balloon photographed from another (mine!) at an altitude of about 36km http://t.co/cT53FWYe #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/AnthonyStirk/status/244687215391813632]
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[07:11] <griffonbot> @TheFishPi: RT @daveake: One weather balloon photographed from another (mine!) at an altitude of about 36km http://t.co/cT53FWYe #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/TheFishPi/status/244694582959415296]
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[07:38] <griffonbot> @SamStead1: RT @daveake: One weather balloon photographed from another (mine!) at an altitude of about 36km http://t.co/cT53FWYe #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/SamStead1/status/244701358010286080]
[07:47] <Upu> http://imgur.com/a/Flx0t
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[07:48] <griffonbot> @blbeach: nice RT @daveake: One weather balloon photographed from another (mine!) at an altitude of about 36km http://t.co/vuvkSoCc #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/blbeach/status/244703703280541696]
[07:50] <Upu> morning James
[07:50] <Upu> http://imgur.com/a/BZrwT
[07:50] <Upu> theres another cleaned up a little
[07:51] <jcoxon> thats a lovely photo
[07:52] <griffonbot> Received email: Radim Mutina "Re: [UKHAS] Slovakia Launch Announcement - STS-1 (Saturday 8-SEP-2012)"
[07:52] <Upu> have you noted the other balloon in the frame ?
[07:53] <Upu> http://imgur.com/a/Flx0t
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[07:55] <jcoxon> i hadn't seen that picture
[07:55] <jcoxon> but yes
[07:56] <jcoxon> nice day here
[07:56] <jcoxon> would love to launch
[07:57] <Upu> yeah
[07:57] <Upu> no picos lying about ?
[07:58] <jcoxon> oh ye
[07:58] <jcoxon> s
[07:58] <jcoxon> but ive got an exam on tuesday
[07:58] <jcoxon> :-(
[07:58] <jcoxon> so got to work
[07:58] <Upu> damn
[07:59] <Upu> the only few decent days of summer as well
[07:59] <jcoxon> oh well
[07:59] <jcoxon> might do some pico tests though
[07:59] <jcoxon> take advantage of the sun
[08:00] <jcoxon> with the solar panels etc
[08:00] <griffonbot> Received email: John Graham-Cumming "Re: [UKHAS] Slovakia Launch Announcement - STS-1 (Saturday 8-SEP-2012)"
[08:05] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "Re: [UKHAS] Slovakia Launch Announcement - STS-1 (Saturday 8-SEP-2012)"
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[08:10] <jcoxon> Upu, we seem to have enough european listeners now to start some trans-europe flights
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[08:16] <Upu> yeah
[08:16] <Upu> quite central too
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[09:08] <griffonbot> Received email: Radim Mutina "Re: [UKHAS] Slovakia Launch Announcement - STS-1 (Saturday 8-SEP-2012)"
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[09:16] <griffonbot> Received email: Radim Mutina "Re: [UKHAS] Slovakia Launch Announcement - STS-1 (Saturday 8-SEP-2012)"
[09:38] <griffonbot> Received email: navrac "Re: [UKHAS] Slovakia Launch Announcement - STS-1 (Saturday 8-SEP-2012)"
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[11:28] <jcoxon> so many points on the tracker...
[11:31] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: looks like I made the Telegraph http://t.co/5CZBqfMw and Daily Mail http://t.co/8rrsm7zI #UKHAS #HABE [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/244759841766252544]
[11:31] <cuddykid> the press (as usual) have made up quotes
[11:32] <cuddykid> "I have no background in astrophysics - I'm just an engineering student." - never said that lol
[11:33] <bertrik> congratulations for making the paper anyway
[11:33] <cuddykid> cheers
[11:33] <cuddykid> finally got some decent photos!
[11:33] <cuddykid> though nothing like daveake's yesterday
[11:33] <cuddykid> they're incredible
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[11:46] <griffonbot> @TomBagg: RT @adamcudworth: looks like I made the Telegraph http://t.co/5CZBqfMw and Daily Mail http://t.co/8rrsm7zI #UKHAS #HABE [http://twitter.com/TomBagg/status/244763584654086147]
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[12:04] <griffonbot> @TomPegler: RT @adamcudworth: looks like I made the Telegraph http://t.co/5CZBqfMw and Daily Mail http://t.co/8rrsm7zI #UKHAS #HABE [http://twitter.com/TomPegler/status/244768147880681472]
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[13:16] <jcoxon> afternoon all
[13:21] <cuddykid> hi jcoxon
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[13:23] <SpeedEvil> http://b3ta.com/links/854266 goblin rock
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[13:27] <Darkside> what the hell did i just watch
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[15:01] <jcoxon> anyone up for an afternoon project?
[15:02] <Darkside> lol
[15:02] <Darkside> what kind of project
[15:02] <jcoxon> well i was thinking of trying to get either my funcube or rtlsdr online
[15:02] <jcoxon> as in a webbased interface
[15:03] <Darkside> ah
[15:03] <Darkside> well, webSDR is the benchmark i guess
[15:03] <Darkside> that the kind of interface that' dbe nice
[15:04] <jcoxon> indeed
[15:04] <jcoxon> that actually works for funcube
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[15:04] <Darkside> i like how it's low latency
[15:05] <Darkside> i'd very much like to know how he's doing that
[15:05] <jcoxon> you can ask for a copy of the software
[15:05] <jcoxon> http://www.websdr.org/faq.html
[15:05] <Darkside> i have
[15:05] <jcoxon> oh right
[15:05] <Darkside> i want to use it with the SDRs i'm setting up here
[15:05] <Darkside> havent got a response yet though
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[15:07] <jcoxon> i guess with my sort of requet there is no way of getting around using gnuradio
[15:10] <Upu> or java...
[15:11] <Darkside> jcoxon: what could be useful is a program that makes the rtlsdr appear as a high sample rate audio device
[15:11] <Darkside> i think alsa supports arbitrary sample rates
[15:11] <jcoxon> so that we could directly feed it into various programs
[15:12] <Darkside> into existing audio IQ sdr software, yes
[15:12] <Darkside> what woudl also be nice is a simple SSB receiver for it
[15:12] <Darkside> posisbly with multiple channels
[15:12] <jcoxon> haha
[15:12] <Darkside> you could have a receiver that demodulates multiple SSB streams out of a rtlsdr's bandwidth, and presents them on loopback devices
[15:12] <jcoxon> beyond my capabilities
[15:13] <Darkside> theres actually a program for windos coming out soon that'll do that
[15:13] <Darkside> SDR-Radio
[15:13] <Darkside> and it'll suposedly support the rtlsdr
[15:13] <Randomskk> these programs all need better sodding names
[15:13] <Darkside> haha
[15:13] <Darkside> yes
[15:13] <Randomskk> seriously
[15:13] <Randomskk> jeez
[15:13] <Darkside> SDR-Radio, HDSDR, Spectravue, PowerSDR
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[15:13] <Darkside> though there is 'Quisk'
[15:13] <Darkside> which is an outlier
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[15:14] <Darkside> hrm
[15:14] <Darkside> i need to go back to the books
[15:14] <bertrik> rtp_tcp provides a nice interface, makes it even possible to run the radio app and the dongle on different interface
[15:14] <Darkside> need to figure out how to measure the RF power of a received signal from an IQ stream
[15:14] <Darkside> bertrik: yeah
[15:14] <Darkside> but for a remote site you don't want to be pushing raw IQ samples over the network
[15:14] <bertrik> rtl_tcp with sdr# doesn't work in practice for me though, cuts out after 2 seconds or so
[15:15] <Darkside> thats a LOT of data
[15:15] <Darkside> 2 bytes per sample, 1.5MSPS
[15:15] <Darkside> 3MB/s
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[15:16] <Darkside> what you need is somethign that does the demodulation at the remote end, and sends you the demodulated audio, and the power spectrum data
[15:16] <bertrik> Darkside: square(real part) + square(imaginary part) and adjust for amplifier gain
[15:16] <Darkside> bertrik: and take the integral over time?
[15:16] <Darkside> or what
[15:16] <bertrik> yes, average that
[15:16] <Darkside> ok
[15:16] <Darkside> hmm
[15:17] <Darkside> and i can do this with power in a certain bandwidth can't i
[15:17] <Darkside> bandpass filter the signal i want, then measure the power?
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[15:17] <bertrik> yes
[15:17] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[15:17] <Darkside> bertrik: cool
[15:17] <bertrik> but if you already did an FFT, I think you can just add the bins of interest
[15:17] <Darkside> i really need to get back into signal processing stuff, forgotten so much of it
[15:18] <Darkside> yeah i was wondering if i could do it with an FFT..
[15:18] <Darkside> i need to look at complex signal mixing again
[15:18] <Darkside> and how to do demodulation of various signal types from IQ data
[15:19] <Darkside> any textbook reccomendations?
[15:19] <Darkside> or resources for this?
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[15:27] <griffonbot> Received email: Morseman "[UKHAS] Re: Launch this Saturday 8th - Bello Mondo-11"
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[16:24] <jcoxon> weird rain here
[16:24] <jcoxon> has been perfect all day
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[16:33] <Laurenceb_> DarkSide: easy to do that with fft
[16:34] <cuddykid> popped a comment on the telegraph article to say thanks to the UKHAS people! :)
[16:36] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: got some info on how?
[16:36] <Laurenceb_> " must say, that as a regular reader of this fine newspaper, that I'm SHOCKED AND APPAULED to learn of this young boys polluting of outer space.
[16:36] <Laurenceb_> I feel that dumping gaseous substances into outer space must contravene some law on polluting the enviornment and I shall be writing to my MP forthwith"
[16:36] <Laurenceb_> lol trolled
[16:36] <cuddykid> lol
[16:36] <Laurenceb_> Darkside: just multiply by conjugate
[16:36] <cuddykid> "Did money have to change hands, may I ask?"
[16:36] <cuddykid> ^ with regards to getting clearance from CAA
[16:36] <cuddykid> lol
[16:36] <Laurenceb_> multiply the bins by their conjugate
[16:37] <Laurenceb_> then integrate the bins over your bandwidth
[16:37] <Laurenceb_> to get the power
[16:39] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: and then some scaling factor i guess
[16:39] <Darkside> which will be hardware dependent
[16:39] <Laurenceb_> yes
[16:39] <Laurenceb_> and a pita
[16:39] <Laurenceb_> to work out
[16:39] <Laurenceb_> due to VGA etc
[16:40] <Darkside> will be simpler in my case
[16:40] <Darkside> as there is no AGC in my receiver >_>
[16:40] <Darkside> i have about 90dB SNR starting at -110dBm
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[16:40] <Darkside> which is more than adequate for HF reception, assuming no strong local interferers
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[16:41] <Laurenceb_> yeah if you have one of the transceivers that give noise info that helps
[16:42] <Darkside> mm
[16:42] <Darkside> i'd like to do some measurements of the HF noise floor
[16:42] <Darkside> i think the standard is you take power measurements of a 3KHz bandwidth channel
[16:44] <Laurenceb_> lol telegraph thing is a massive flamewar
[16:44] <Laurenceb_> wonder if that happens with all their stories
[16:45] <Randomskk> yes
[16:45] <Randomskk> it's the telegraph
[16:46] <Darkside> link?
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[16:46] <Randomskk> so fun fact: the guy selling those pawan balloons was the labour candidate for the weoley ward in 2010/2011
[16:46] <Randomskk> and very nearly won both times
[16:46] <Randomskk> (by like 0.5% of the votes in each case)
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[16:47] <Laurenceb_> pawan?
[16:49] <Laurenceb_> oh indian
[16:50] <daveake> ping cuddykid
[16:50] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: got a link to the article?
[16:50] <Laurenceb_> scrollback
[16:50] <Randomskk> /lastlog telegraph
[16:50] <Randomskk> just do that.
[16:50] <Randomskk> or I could do that for you
[16:51] <Darkside> got it
[16:51] <Laurenceb_> <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: looks like I made the Telegraph http://t.co/5CZBqfMw and Daily Mail http://t.co/8rrsm7zI #UKHAS #HABE [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/244759841766252544]
[16:51] <daveake> Just read that
[16:51] <daveake> Seems to have attracted a few wazzocks
[16:52] <Laurenceb_> wonder if half the comments are from one person
[16:53] <cuddykid> hiya daveake
[16:53] <Laurenceb_> just stirring things up with lots of accounts
[16:53] <daveake> hiya
[16:53] <daveake> Just laughing at some of the comments on your torygraph artcle
[16:53] <Darkside> lol
[16:53] <cuddykid> I've spend most of the day laughing at them lol
[16:54] <Darkside> daveake: Upu is going to contact lester tomorrow
[16:54] <daveake> It's bad enough when the journos make shit up
[16:54] <cuddykid> and.. just to confirm - some of the quotes/info have been made up - I'm not an "engineering student" - dunno where they got that from
[16:54] <cuddykid> "People think its something that costs millions of pounds but I've proved you can do it on just a £200 budget." - never said that!
[16:54] <daveake> Yeah, I know, they just get pissed then finish the article
[16:55] <daveake> Yeah, how did you do it for £200 ????
[16:55] <daveake> Interested parties want to know :)
[16:55] <cuddykid> lol
[16:55] <Laurenceb_> he bribed the CAA
[16:55] <Darkside> free gas
[16:55] <daveake> In my (limited) experience, the *only* ones that take care to get things right are Lester @ The Register, the BBC, and the Sunday Times
[16:55] <daveake> Oj, and the Raspi girl too
[16:55] <Darkside> or when you write the article yourself :P
[16:55] <daveake> ^^ recommended
[16:55] <Darkside> as we did for AR
[16:56] <Darkside> all 10 pages of it..
[16:56] <daveake> That was good tho :)
[16:56] <cuddykid> it's sticking around a bit on the front page of tele
[16:57] <cuddykid> personally didn't think it would be taken by any of them following Josh's "art" only a few weeks ago
[16:57] <daveake> cuddykid .. be careful .. I spent a week googling myself after the Pi thing. Not healthy :)
[16:57] <Darkside> yeah
[16:57] <Darkside> its not healthy to read news article comments either
[16:58] <Randomskk> s/news article //
[16:58] <cuddykid> good point - I'll stop :P
[16:58] <daveake> Yes your task now is to exceed the hits the the aforementioned saddo obtained
[16:58] <daveake> that*
[16:59] <daveake> Darkside - re Lester - cool. Knew he would :)
[16:59] <cuddykid> haha
[16:59] <Laurenceb_> tbh i dont see the point
[17:00] <Laurenceb_> news articles just attract negative attention
[17:00] <Laurenceb_> anyone whos genuinely interested can find us with google
[17:01] <Randomskk> you realise that doesn't work as an argument right Laurenceb_
[17:01] <cuddykid> I usually just inform the local Worcs news - then yesterday this press agency got in touch and asked if they can cover it
[17:01] <Laurenceb_> why?
[17:01] <daveake> Well, I've had some interesting contacts via my Raspi attention, so I disagree
[17:01] <Laurenceb_> seriously, what does newspaper coverage achieve?
[17:01] <Randomskk> because people can't google us before they know about HABs or UKHAS or anything else
[17:01] <Randomskk> awareness?
[17:02] <Laurenceb_> its not like we are competing for funding or something
[17:02] <Randomskk> the number of people who've got into this after seeing it on a news article
[17:02] <Randomskk> exactly - we're not competing, so the more people interested the better
[17:02] <daveake> Hey Darkside, I found an interesting photo that I think you may have overlooked. http://i.imgur.com/CrxR1.jpg
[17:02] <cuddykid> I had an interesting email earlier from a british farmer in France
[17:02] <Laurenceb_> sure, maybe news sites like the Register etc
[17:02] <Laurenceb_> more technically orientated
[17:02] <Laurenceb_> but mainstream stuff just ends badly
[17:02] <cuddykid> right, anyway bbl
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[17:03] <Randomskk> the register still counts as "news coverage", but I think the mainstream stuff can be just as useful in raising awareness and so forth
[17:03] <Laurenceb_> i meant its not like we are trying to get government/charity/EU funding
[17:04] <Randomskk> so?
[17:04] <Laurenceb_> where its good to be high profile in the mainstream media
[17:04] <Randomskk> we're trying to get people generally involved
[17:04] <Randomskk> it's not like there's negative fallout from news articles except the online comments
[17:05] <Laurenceb_> so when you do stupid stuff like landing something into Richmond park someones going to give hell about it
[17:05] <gonzo_mob> literal fallout!
[17:05] <Laurenceb_> thats why
[17:06] <Randomskk> that's why what, we don't want media coverage?
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[17:07] <Laurenceb_> if you support lots of mainstream interest, you should start by acting with appropriate responsibility
[17:07] <Randomskk> acting irresponsibly is okay if it's not reported on?
[17:08] <Laurenceb_> and personally i dont see it adding much
[17:08] <Laurenceb_> its not that simple
[17:08] <Laurenceb_> you need to act in a way thats accountable to your audience
[17:09] <SamSilver> what would cause the balloon to have two high lights / reflections of the sun > http://i.imgur.com/Y3Sx8.jpg remindes me of the NASA fake moon pictures
[17:09] <Laurenceb_> average guy or girl on the street doesnt have a good understanding of risk analysis
[17:09] <SamSilver> zoom needed
[17:09] <Randomskk> Laurenceb_: so..?
[17:10] <Laurenceb_> so ive got better things to do with my life than argue on irc
[17:10] <daveake> Well it isn't fake :)
[17:11] <SamSilver> dave have you got a mate with a big barn and some photographer style lights Hey?
[17:11] <daveake> Think about it ...
[17:12] <daveake> .... there are 2 parts of the surface that will be at the same angle
[17:12] <Randomskk> he's using logic! witch! WITCH!
[17:12] <daveake> So the light can reflect directly from the sun to the lend on either
[17:12] <daveake> Yeah, sorry. I shall stop :)
[17:12] <SamSilver> the x ms cloud painted and old sheet with a backdrop image and you got balloon from wimpy and some spot lights
[17:13] <SamSilver> am I close?
[17:13] <daveake> Er, no, but do keep yourself amused :)
[17:13] <SamSilver> great pics daveake
[17:13] <daveake> If you want fake, check http://i.imgur.com/CrxR1.jpg
[17:14] <daveake> Darkside was complaing that none of the photos showed the flag on his payload :)
[17:14] <daveake> complaining
[17:14] <SamSilver> was a fun day
[17:14] <daveake> Oh yes
[17:15] <daveake> I was supposed to be doing a lightweight payload in this "Oz vs UK" race with Darkside, but during the week the weather forecast said "hot and sunny" so I decided to send up a camera instead
[17:16] <daveake> So I used a step-up converter to run a small tracker from the AAs inside the camera
[17:16] <daveake> So total payload weight 185g
[17:16] <Randomskk> pretty decent for a camera plus tracker
[17:16] <daveake> About as low as you can go unless you strip the camera, or use a key fob camera or something
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[17:17] <Randomskk> yup
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[17:18] <daveake> http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/7936400266/in/set-72157631419200270
[17:18] <daveake> No that wasn't the actual antenna :)
[17:19] <SamSilver> shuu neat!
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[17:20] <daveake> Strange, but generally my payloads have gotten simple since the first one :)
[17:21] <joph> striping a camera ist dangerous ;)
[17:22] <daveake> Lots of things are dangerous if you don't know what you're doing or aren't careful
[17:22] <MrScienceMan> walking is pretty dangerous
[17:22] <daveake> indeed
[17:22] <daveake> I've broken 3 or 4 toes doing just that
[17:22] <daveake> Well, the walking into hard things really
[17:23] <MrScienceMan> and then you have to go to the shop and get new toas
[17:23] <MrScienceMan> toes*
[17:23] <MrScienceMan> what a drag
[17:23] <daveake> We had great weather too. Pretty skies through to sunset. e.g. http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/7963934954/in/photostream
[17:26] <jcoxon> ping Darkside
[17:30] <DanielRichman> hey daveake
[17:31] <daveake> Evening :)
[17:31] <DanielRichman> I just tried the shake-dl-fldigi thing and I can't make it mess up the decode (linux, pulseaudio)
[17:31] <daveake> ok
[17:31] <daveake> Upu tried on Windows and it was OK for him
[17:31] <DanielRichman> right
[17:31] <daveake> Might be to do with me using 300 baud?
[17:32] <DanielRichman> hmm that's a good point, I was using 50
[17:32] <daveake> You don't have to shake .. just hold down the left mouse button on the caption bar
[17:32] <Upu> what did I try ?
[17:32] <DanielRichman> what happens to the waterfall when you do that?
[17:32] <daveake> I wondered if it was to do with me using an SDR and VAC, but Upu tried that and it was still ok
[17:32] <daveake> Upu 50 baud you tried
[17:32] <Upu> this weekend ?
[17:33] <daveake> IIRC the whole window stops updates
[17:33] <Upu> shall I scroll back and read ?
[17:33] <daveake> The new dl-fldigi when it came out last week
[17:33] <Upu> oh yes
[17:33] <daveake> For me it stops decoding then takes several seconds to sync again
[17:33] <Upu> I did see a few funnies
[17:33] <Upu> like that
[17:33] <Upu> but I put it down to the signal
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[17:35] <DanielRichman> daveake: the window stopping updating sounds like it might explain it
[17:35] <DanielRichman> if it then locks something and the audio thread waits for that lock (maybe waterfall update, I don't know)
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[17:35] <Lunar_Lander> I got a song for daveake and Darkside and the other people of yesterday https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZYGxHVyCwI&feature=related
[17:35] <daveake> Something tied in to the UI thread?
[17:36] <DanielRichman> I just tried 1200 baud, works fine while dragging or holding
[17:36] <Darkside> Lunar_Lander: GREENDAY?
[17:36] <DanielRichman> you're on windows, right?
[17:36] <Darkside> wat
[17:36] <daveake> I am
[17:36] <Upu> I am yes DanielRichman and I couldn't replicate it either
[17:36] <Darkside> you link me a GREENDAY cover or a QUEEN song
[17:36] <Darkside> ...
[17:37] <Lunar_Lander> why?
[17:37] <DanielRichman> daveake: I'm going to go ahead and guess that the bug probably exists in vanilla fldigi too (which makes it harder to fix)
[17:37] <DanielRichman> is it okay if I uh... don't fix this one?
[17:37] <daveake> lol :)
[17:38] <daveake> Yeah, it's an annoyance only
[17:38] <daveake> I'll test with 50 baud see if it's 6 times harder to preproduce
[17:38] <Upu> its only an issue for people who have their desktop across 6 monitors
[17:38] <daveake> -p
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[17:38] <daveake> lol
[17:38] <daveake> I use 4 mostly :)
[17:39] <DanielRichman> you definitely can't look at that much stuff in one go
[17:39] <cuddykid> those pics from yesterday are very good daveake!
[17:40] <cuddykid> love the ground shots
[17:40] <daveake> Of course not. But it's handy when I'm debugging with 3 programs (main / driver / emulator)
[17:40] <daveake> and IRC in a 4th
[17:40] <daveake> or whatever
[17:40] <daveake> thanks cuddykid
[17:40] <daveake> Just going thru them now
[17:40] <cuddykid> daveake: have you modified another car?! ;) http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/7944336582/in/photostream
[17:41] <daveake> Yes, got myself a habmobile
[17:41] <cuddykid> haha awesome
[17:41] <DanielRichman> daveake: I can do that too :P http://i.imgur.com/fuwvC.png
[17:41] <cuddykid> I seriously need to kit the car out - can be a bit of a nightmare tracking sometimes
[17:41] <DanielRichman> with one physical screen
[17:42] <Randomskk> two screens, both running awesome with 9 virtual desktops each
[17:42] <Randomskk> wtg
[17:42] <Randomskk> though I really want http://www.ergotron.com/Products/tabid/65/PRDID/354/language/en-GB/Default.aspx
[17:42] <Randomskk> and then maybe two of them
[17:42] <daveake> :)
[17:43] <DanielRichman> other perks of compiz: ring switcher
[17:43] <DanielRichman> IIRC there's a fishtank plugin that puts 4 virtual desktops on the wall of a 3d tank with fish
[17:43] <Darkside> nom nom pizza
[17:43] <Lunar_Lander> Darkside, why no greenday?
[17:43] <Darkside> Lunar_Lander: it's a queen song
[17:43] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[17:43] <Darkside> and they did it originally, and best
[17:43] <Darkside> :P
[17:43] <Lunar_Lander> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdCrZfTkG1c&feature=fvwrel
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[17:46] <Lunar_Lander> Darkside, there :)
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[18:10] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Launch this Saturday 8th - Bello Mondo-11"
[18:13] <griffonbot> Received email: Adam Cudworth "[UKHAS] Potential Launch This Friday (14/09)"
[18:14] <Randomskk> cuddykid: ping
[18:14] <cuddykid> hiya Randomskk
[18:14] <Lunar_Lander> who flew Mondo?
[18:14] <Randomskk> just checking you know you'll need to make a flight doc for the flight on friday if it goes ahead
[18:14] <Randomskk> to have it show up in fldigi's flight list
[18:14] <Lunar_Lander> I'd like to know where he bought his balloon
[18:15] <Randomskk> cuddykid: http://habitat.habhub.org/genpayload/ and create new flight doc
[18:15] <Randomskk> whenever
[18:15] <Randomskk> no rush
[18:15] <cuddykid> ah right, has it all been wiped? I'll get one submitted :)
[18:15] <Randomskk> but give me or someone a shout
[18:15] <Randomskk> it's not wiped, just changed
[18:15] <cuddykid> thanks
[18:15] <cuddykid> no probs
[18:15] <Randomskk> your payload configuration details were transferred over
[18:15] <Randomskk> but, well
[18:15] <Randomskk> read that page^
[18:15] <Randomskk> it explains
[18:15] <cuddykid> oh nice
[18:16] <Randomskk> anyway yea the payload_configuration should be okay but you should check it and possibly edit if things need changing e.g. frequency
[18:16] <Randomskk> then once that's fine make a flight document for it and give someone a shout and we can approve the flight doc
[18:16] <cuddykid> cheers
[18:16] <Randomskk> it'l still work in fldigi before the flight doc, but you'll have to go brose all / all payloads and find it etc
[18:16] <Randomskk> whereas with a flight it'l just show in the dropdown
[18:16] <Randomskk> (also all flights should have flight docs so that the thing remains organised and for archival and so forth)
[18:16] <Randomskk> anyway yea
[18:16] <Randomskk> no rush
[18:21] <cuddykid> Randomskk: ca7c1515f29b317e742e278a1c0369fa is the doc id
[18:22] <Randomskk> ta
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[18:23] <Randomskk> the beacon beacons?
[18:23] <Randomskk> do you mean the brecon beacons?
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[18:23] <cuddykid> oh yes, oops
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[18:23] <cuddykid> now that's why there's someone to check!
[18:24] <Randomskk> changed & approved
[18:24] <Randomskk> should be live now
[18:24] <cuddykid> thanks :)
[18:24] <Randomskk> no worries
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[18:31] <Gadget-Mac> cuddykid: Have you go a prediction for Friday's flight on-line ?
[18:42] <SpeedEvil> does anyone happen t know the licence of NASA technical reports?
[18:42] <SpeedEvil> just noticed them on Google play books
[18:42] <SpeedEvil> and wondering of doing that ialegal.
[18:43] <nick_> SpeedEvil: someone mentioned on the mailing list a repository recently
[18:44] <nick_> http://ntrs.nasa.gov/?method=aboutntrs
[18:44] <SpeedEvil> ' http://www.sti.nasa.gov/disclaimers/#.UEzjT5xwbng
[18:44] <SpeedEvil> I guess it is 'legit,
[18:44] <Lunar_Lander> I think NTRS is free for all
[18:45] <nick_> It might not be legit to put them on google play
[18:45] <SpeedEvil> I wondered' after searching Google play for hypersonic, for o reason
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[18:49] <nick_> I wouldn't be surprised if their license was free to download from them, but not to resell/republish
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[18:56] <SP9UOB> Hi all
[18:56] <Lunar_Lander> hi SP9UOB
[18:57] <griffonbot> Received email: Adam Greig "[UKHAS] dl-fldigi feedback/bug report request"
[18:57] <SP9UOB> im looking for small (pic16, ATMEGA8) RTTY tracker to test my 28MHz transmitter during next flight ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V8v9jY6k0w )
[18:58] <SP9UOB> as primary tracker we use APRS
[18:59] <Darkside> code one
[18:59] <Darkside> RTTY is very simple
[18:59] <SP9UOB> Darkside: i do
[18:59] <SP9UOB> Rtty is not the problem - look at the movie
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[19:00] <Darkside> what is the problem then
[19:00] <Darkside> i see the transmitter is quite large
[19:00] <SP9UOB> i currently working at dsPIC tracker - so no time at the moment
[19:01] <SP9UOB> Darkside: http://sp9uob.verox.pl/traker.jpg
[19:01] <Darkside> yeah i think you showed that before
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[19:02] <Darkside> thats the sensor at the top right?
[19:02] <SP9UOB> yes internal temperature/pressure
[19:02] <Darkside> what sensor is it?
[19:02] <SP9UOB> Hp03SA
[19:03] <SP9UOB> wait
[19:03] <SP9UOB> http://www.kosmodrom.com.ua/data/HP03SA.pdf
[19:03] <Darkside> how much are they?
[19:04] <SP9UOB> theoretically up to 300mbar, but works well ar 22 mbar :-)
[19:04] <SP9UOB> Darkside: about 10 USD
[19:04] <Darkside> mm
[19:04] <Darkside> i don't trust the output of any of them outside spev
[19:04] <SP9UOB> 30 polish zloty, i2c protocol
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[19:04] <Darkside> i'vw flown a BMP085 to 40.5km before
[19:05] <Darkside> the equations they give you stop working up there :P
[19:05] <Darkside> the values overflow
[19:05] <SP9UOB> i have check it in vacuum chamber
[19:05] <Darkside> http://rfhead.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/horus15_5_alt_pressure.png
[19:06] <Darkside> i can't remember exactly where that one cut out
[19:06] <Darkside> ahh it carked it at 2 bar
[19:06] <Darkside> 2.4 bar exactly
[19:06] <Darkside> hehe
[19:07] <Darkside> 37.1km
[19:07] <Darkside> but as long as you aren't using it to try and measure altitude up there, its all good :-)
[19:07] <SP9UOB> bar? or milibar ?
[19:07] <SP9UOB> aa ok
[19:07] <SP9UOB> i see
[19:07] <Darkside> bar
[19:07] <Darkside> wait
[19:07] <Darkside> no
[19:08] <Darkside> it got to 2.4hpa before it cut out
[19:08] <Darkside> whatever that is in bar
[19:10] <SP9UOB> thats mine: http://sp9uob.verox.pl/cisnienie.png
[19:10] <SP9UOB> real flight, HP03SA
[19:11] <Darkside> what altitude did you get to?
[19:13] <SP9UOB> 31500m - wail i'll check the log :-)
[19:13] <Darkside> yeah, the sensors will be fine up to there
[19:13] <Darkside> its when you get to reeeealy high altitude that they break down
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[19:15] <SP9UOB> 31567m 21.588 hpa
[19:15] <SP9UOB> http://sp9uob.verox.pl/L120623.TXT
[19:16] <SP9UOB> 40.5km reealy high :-)
[19:16] <Darkside> well
[19:16] <Darkside> the record is 44.3km
[19:17] <Upu> 40.5km is normal these days :)
[19:17] <Darkside> its just we wanted some way of having a accurate altitude measurement
[19:17] <SP9UOB> yes i know :-)
[19:17] <Darkside> personally ithink a dual-freq gps is goign to be better, though more expensive
[19:17] <Darkside> there are dual-freq gpses available for about 800 quid now
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[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> hello radim_OM2AMR !
[19:17] <SP9UOB> L1 L3 or Glonass/GPS ?
[19:17] <Upu> £800 :/
[19:17] <SP9UOB> radim_OM2AMR: Congratulations
[19:18] <radim_OM2AMR> Hi Lunar_Lander
[19:18] <Darkside> SP9UOB: L1/L2c
[19:18] <Lunar_Lander> well done!
[19:18] <radim_OM2AMR> 39104m :-) thanx
[19:18] <Darkside> Upu: yeah
[19:18] <Darkside> thats considered cheap
[19:18] <Upu> btw i have sat hre one of these MT3389 GPS modules (HA alledgedly) and a NEOQ with the crystal in it
[19:18] <Upu> congrats indeed radim_OM2AMR
[19:18] <radim_OM2AMR> Upu thanks, good feeling ;-)
[19:18] <Darkside> Upu: the problem is tha gps needs pretty good crystal stability
[19:19] <Upu> got lots of still images back Radim ?
[19:19] <Darkside> so that crystal-only gps might not work at low temps
[19:19] <Upu> I know which is why I'm going to fly 3 GPS units at the same time
[19:19] <Upu> to see
[19:19] <Darkside> where the TXCP one might
[19:19] <Darkside> heh ok
[19:19] <Upu> going to be a long telemetry string :)
[19:20] <radim_OM2AMR> Upu, we have some, but half images are corrupted, so we'll try to recover it from SD
[19:20] <Upu> ok
[19:20] <Upu> thats odd
[19:20] <SP9UOB> So, back to the question: is there any small rtty tracker released to public :)?
[19:20] <Upu> not that I'm aware of SP9UOB
[19:21] <radim_OM2AMR> Upu, but we have HD videos from UP and SIDE camera. Payload box turned upside down after burst ;-)
[19:21] <Upu> really you have to make one yourself
[19:21] <Upu> I saw, what frame rate was the burst running at ?
[19:21] <Upu> there are commercial APRS units SP9UOB
[19:21] <Lunar_Lander> radim_OM2AMR, you used the 808 cameras?
[19:21] <SP9UOB> ok, so i must write nmea parser.. again ;-)
[19:21] <Upu> you must indeed (or use TinyGPS)
[19:22] <SP9UOB> Upu: Ive done some aprs trackers, also DSP modems
[19:22] <Upu> just check it for padding errors
[19:22] <Upu> let me know if you need a radio module
[19:22] <radim_OM2AMR> Lunar_Lander, yes #16 - but be careful, Upu's GPS was jammed by that cam
[19:22] <Darkside> Upu: tinygps prodices floats
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> tinyGPS doesn't work with the ublox protocol right?
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> radim_OM2AMR, yeah I heard about that
[19:22] <Darkside> Lunar_Lander: theres a mod to make it work with the PUBX strings
[19:22] <Upu> no it works with NMEA
[19:22] <Darkside> but not with UBX binary
[19:22] <SP9UOB> i have good aprs tracker, just want to check 28 MHz FSK transmitter.
[19:23] <Darkside> SP9UOB: why do you need a RTTY transmitter? i thought you already made one
[19:23] <Darkside> or do you mean you want to transmit on another band at teh same time
[19:23] <Darkside> to compare
[19:23] <radim_OM2AMR> Lunar_Lander - our Venus GPS with active antenna worked like charm
[19:23] <SP9UOB> transmitter - analog RF part, but i still ned some digital data to feed in :-)
[19:23] <Darkside> SP9UOB: thats weasy
[19:23] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:23] <Darkside> easy
[19:23] <Darkside> dump a small bit of code on an atemga
[19:23] <Darkside> atmega*
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[19:24] <radim_OM2AMR> Lunar_Lander, did you saw our burst images from 808 cam ?
[19:24] <SP9UOB> yes, just wanna chech 28 MHz band
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[19:24] <Upu> those bursts images came from the keyring ? Wow
[19:24] <Darkside> SP9UOB: very easy to do.
[19:24] <radim_OM2AMR> Upu, yes, 30 fps
[19:25] <SP9UOB> Darkside: dont like atmega - love pics :-)
[19:25] <Upu> impressive
[19:25] <Darkside> SP9UOB: then write code for pics
[19:25] <Darkside> generating a RTTY bitstream is incredibly simple
[19:25] <SP9UOB> Darkside: i know thats easy
[19:25] <Darkside> you can do it just by framing bytes with start and stop bits
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> Darkside, do you mean the TinyGPS on the UKHAS page?
[19:25] <Darkside> Lunar_Lander: yes
[19:25] <Darkside> SP9UOB: in general, nobody here is going to give you a complete solution
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> and that works with Arduino 1.0 and ublox 6?
[19:25] <Darkside> Lunar_Lander: i think so
[19:26] <SP9UOB> Darkside: i know, just look: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V8v9jY6k0w code was written in 10 minutes
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[19:26] <Darkside> yes
[19:26] <Darkside> so why not fly that?
[19:26] <Darkside> if you want to test 28MHz
[19:26] <SP9UOB> nmea parsing need to be done
[19:26] <Darkside> SP9UOB: then either write the code, or make use of tinygps to do it
[19:26] <Darkside> TinyGPS is a C++ lib that you feed the NMEA string to byte by byte
[19:27] <Darkside> and provides the position information
[19:27] <griffonbot> Received email: Rob "Re: [UKHAS] dl-fldigi feedback/bug report request"
[19:27] <Darkside> its meant as an arduino library, but its not hard to make it work on other things
[19:27] <SP9UOB> too large for small pic. Nevermind, just need to write my own :-)
[19:27] <Darkside> i don't think it has anything arduino-specific in it, you greate teh singleton instance
[19:27] <Darkside> and feed it bytes
[19:28] <Darkside> SP9UOB: then yes, write tour own
[19:28] <Darkside> or spend 50c more on a larger chip
[19:30] <SP9UOB> OK, ill let You know to listen at 10m band when i launch the beacon :-)
[19:31] <Darkside> yep, i'll be able to listen on a few receivers in the UK
[19:32] <SP9UOB> so, i have plan to launch at mid of october
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[19:41] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "Re: [UKHAS] dl-fldigi feedback/bug report request"
[19:43] <griffonbot> Received email: Rob "Re: [UKHAS] dl-fldigi feedback/bug report request"
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[19:45] <Upu> hey cuddykid
[19:45] <Upu> another A-Team launch ? :)
[19:46] <radim_OM2AMR> McLane - ping
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[19:53] <cuddykid> hiya Upu
[19:53] <cuddykid> not this time :P
[19:54] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/general:glossary
[19:54] <cuddykid> helping Chris Hillcox out who's helping some guy out with a launch :)
[19:54] <mclane> hi radim
[19:54] <Upu> if anyone can think of any more go for it
[19:54] <cuddykid> hahahaha
[19:54] <cuddykid> brilliant!
[19:54] <Upu> you're going to need a new board soon cuddykid going to redo that one ?
[19:54] <Randomskk> Upu: I can't believe you didn't add stirk
[19:54] <Randomskk> or any of the other things we mentioned in the previous conversation :P
[19:54] <Upu> I'll let someone else do tthat :)
[19:55] <cuddykid> Upu: yup, I'll get it re-routed :)
[19:55] <Upu> I was trying to work out how to put "Doing a Tim" in
[19:55] <mclane> radim_OM2AMR: congratulations for your flight!
[19:55] <radim_OM2AMR> mclane, thank you very much
[19:55] <cuddykid> may go along for the launch on Friday - if not I'll just get involved with recovery
[19:55] <cuddykid> bbl
[19:56] <radim_OM2AMR> mclane, back to your question regarding telemetry - centre of both bars in RTTY were with 425 Hz shift
[19:57] <radim_OM2AMR> mclane, do you have any recordings ?
[19:57] <Upu> haha cheers Adam
[19:57] <mclane> radim_OM2AMR: no
[19:57] <Randomskk> maybe I should mention the origin/named-after
[19:58] <mclane> but I tried to decode your Youtube video
[19:58] <mclane> also without success
[19:58] <radim_OM2AMR> mclane, ok , no problem, so I will try to decode your flight then
[19:59] <mclane> thanks in advance, radim!
[20:03] <radim_OM2AMR> mclane, you're welcome ;-) I wish you all the best for your flight
[20:04] <radim_OM2AMR> hehe, TV news spot about our STS-1 flight, sorry in Slovak only http://www.joj.sk/relacia-noviny/noviny-archiv/2012-09-09-noviny-tv-joj.html#seek-891
[20:05] <radim_OM2AMR> you can see there hard tree landing
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[20:12] <bertrik> nice
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[20:18] <bertrik> I can only understand the words: ballon, cameri, foto-apparat, kilometro, stratospheri :)
[20:21] <radim_OM2AMR> bertrik :-) that's keywords ;-)
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[20:23] <griffonbot> Received email: John Hopkins "Re: [UKHAS] dl-fldigi feedback/bug report request"
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[21:07] <EarthBreeze> Test
[21:09] <Randomskk> success
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[21:31] <jcoxon> haha Upu
[21:31] <jcoxon> love the updated glossery
[21:31] <Upu> :)
[21:31] <Upu> not all mine... :)
[21:31] <Upu> and needs some more work
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[21:31] <Lunar_Lander> hello WB8ELK
[21:31] <jcoxon> http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/general:glossary
[21:32] <jcoxon> hmm channel 4's coverage is seriously behind
[21:32] <jcoxon> i can hear the fireworks
[21:32] <Lunar_Lander> ROFL Lunar Cycle
[21:32] <Upu> I quite enjoyed it
[21:32] <daveake> Glad you liked it LL :)
[21:33] <Upu> I quite like Cold Play anyway
[21:34] <jcoxon> oh i'm not complaining
[21:34] <Lunar_Lander> coldplay is cool
[21:34] <jcoxon> there are just going to be a lot of fireworks
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[21:38] <griffonbot> @daveake: Photos from the launch and recovery of Xaben, Mininut and Cloud weather balloon flights http://t.co/1O253fG4 #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/daveake/status/244912564620898304]
[21:38] <Upu> those indian balloons look odd
[21:38] <Lunar_Lander> yeah where to you get them?
[21:38] <Lunar_Lander> jcoxon, daveake Upu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZYGxHVyCwI&feature=related
[21:39] <jcoxon> Upu, added another term
[21:39] <Upu> lol yes eroomde mentioned that one :)
[21:39] <Upu> I'm sure when he wakes up many will be added :)
[21:39] <Upu> btw
[21:39] <Randomskk> I like that we tried to keep it alphabetical
[21:39] <Upu> its in alphabetical order :)
[21:39] <jcoxon> oh
[21:39] <daveake> It was before me
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> which photo is the balloon from India?
[21:40] <Randomskk> I assume the contraction there is for "it was", Upu :P
[21:40] <daveake> I didn't notice :)
[21:40] <Upu> I noticed you didn't notice
[21:40] <Upu> :)
[21:40] <daveake> LL http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/7965439198/in/set-72157631483906920
[21:40] <daveake> :)
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> daveake, awesome sunset and cloud shots!
[21:40] <daveake> It was a very photogenic day
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> ROFL!
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> that balloon looks like another latex product
[21:42] <Randomskk> thanks for that astute observation Lunar_Lander
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[22:41] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "[UKHAS] Fwd: [GPSL] EarthBreeze II Is A Go!"
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[22:43] <Randomskk> great plains super launch is such a good name
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[22:45] <EarthBreeze> Hello Linda
[22:45] <ka9chm> hello Joe
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[22:50] <ka9chm> by Mike
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[23:00] <Lunar_Lander> hello americans
[23:00] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[23:03] <EarthBreeze> Hello! In and out making preparatons.
[23:04] <EarthBreeze> Leaving for a bit will be bck.
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[23:06] <Lunar_Lander> EarthBreeze, so you are in the midwest of the uSA?
[23:06] <Lunar_Lander> *USA
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[23:11] <ka9chm> yes we are in southern Wi
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[23:13] <EarthBreeze> I am Back
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[23:15] <EarthBreeze> I'll be fireing up the payload at 00:00 UTC
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[23:15] <EarthBreeze> Leaving for a bit I'll Be back
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[23:17] <N9QIP> What is CTCP VERSION?
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[23:18] <MrScienceMan> its a way of somebody to ask for something over IRC
[23:18] <MrScienceMan> in the case VERSION refers to the version of the client you are using
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[23:18] <N9QIP> Ask away I'm watching.
[23:19] <MrScienceMan> 02:18:44 [freenode] [ctcp(N9QIP)] VERSION
[23:19] <MrScienceMan> 02:18:45 [freenode] CTCP VERSION reply from N9QIP: qwebirc v0.91, copyright (C) 2008-2011 Chris Porter and the qwebirc project -- Mozilla/5.0
[23:19] <MrScienceMan> (Windows NT 5.1; rv:15.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/15.0.1
[23:19] <WB8ELK> anyone out there that can answer a question about the new dl-Fldigi?
[23:19] <DanielRichman> WB8ELK: sure
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[23:20] <WB8ELK> I'm trying to set it up for KB9KHO/B but the only callsign that shows up is HABE6
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[23:20] <WB8ELK> under the Flights window
[23:20] <WB8ELK> Flight
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[23:21] <WB8ELK> I hit Browse All and clicked on KB9KHO/B and it configured to the RTTY110 mode but still does not show up in the Flight window
[23:22] <DanielRichman> WB8ELK: give me one second, I'll fix that
[23:22] <AL0I_Todd> Let me guess: you are trying to use the new HAB client, right?
[23:22] <WB8ELK> yep
[23:22] <EarthBreeze> Flight window?
[23:23] <WB8ELK> The box underneath the title "Flight"
[23:23] <EarthBreeze> it says KB9KHO_B
[23:23] <Marn_> whassup whasssup?
[23:23] <EarthBreeze> Like in the button looking area right/
[23:24] <WB8ELK> Hi Joe...but I'm using the brand new version of dl-FLdigi that they just released
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[23:24] <EarthBreeze> ahhhh OK I'm still the older one from like a month ago.
[23:24] <Marn_> hello Joe, Hello BIll, looks like the log in murdered my call sign - Mark ngox
[23:24] <DanielRichman> EarthBreeze: I'm filling out some information for the flight list; can you quickly tell me lat/lon of where you're launching from?
[23:25] <WB8ELK> http://habhub.org/files/dl-fldigi/
[23:25] <WB8ELK> Joe...what's your lat/lon?
[23:25] <WB8ELK> Hi Mark
[23:25] <EarthBreeze> +43.609955
[23:25] <WB8ELK> Or should I say "Marn_"
[23:25] <EarthBreeze> -90.082603
[23:25] <Marn_> yeah yeah funny bill, let me logggg back in
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[23:26] <DanielRichman> EarthBreeze: thank you
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[23:26] <WB8ELK> Joe...let us know when you power up the payload so we can listen for it while on the ground
[23:26] <MarkNG0X> bbbb bbb bbbbback
[23:26] <WB8ELK> that's better
[23:26] <EarthBreeze> about 00:00 UTC will fire it up.
[23:27] <WB8ELK> I
[23:27] <WB8ELK> I'll be listening for it
[23:27] <MarkNG0X> wow, huge number of spectators in this chat room!
[23:27] <WB8ELK> not always an indication of whether they are actually watching
[23:27] <EarthBreeze> always seems to be, but I wonder how many are actually looking
[23:28] <DanielRichman> EarthBreeze: Lake Redstone, Wisconsin, USA?
[23:28] <EarthBreeze> yup
[23:28] <SpeedEvil> sort of watching
[23:28] <N9QIP> https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=43.610275,-90.082317&spn=0.002191,0.003449&t=m&z=18
[23:29] <EarthBreeze> thats the place
[23:29] <N9QIP> Joe how will this be ported over to APRS.FI ?
[23:30] <N9QIP> Or should I say is someone going to port to internet?
[23:30] <EarthBreeze> I do nt think it will, unles someone does it,, anyone? Have an answer of that question?
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[23:31] <KA9QFJ> Hi Joe, Hi Len
[23:31] <N9QIP> Hi Bill
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[23:31] <KA9QFJ> Hi Linda
[23:31] <Lunar_Lander> EarthBreeze, WB8ELK MarkNG0X N9QIP ka9chm KA9QFJ hello!
[23:31] <WB8ELK> Hi all
[23:32] <Lunar_Lander> did you hear of the balloon fleet over Europe yesterday?
[23:32] <ka9chm> hi Bill and all
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[23:32] <ka9chm> Hi Bill ELK
[23:32] <MarkNG0X> Hello Lunar Lander. no , did not hear about Euro flights.
[23:32] <Randomskk> WB8ELK: we're trying to find a suitable timezone for your launch
[23:32] <Randomskk> need an Olson identifier which is like America/something
[23:32] <Randomskk> we use Europe/London
[23:32] <Randomskk> probably you'd know best
[23:33] <Randomskk> if you go to http://habitat.habhub.org/genpayload/ and click to create a new flight document
[23:33] <Randomskk> then scroll down to Timezone and type America/
[23:33] <Randomskk> it'l give you a list
[23:33] <Lunar_Lander> we had four flights in the UK and one in Slovaika
[23:33] <Lunar_Lander> Slovakia
[23:33] <Randomskk> no idea which is most appropriate for you though
[23:33] <Randomskk> maybe chicago?
[23:34] <WB8ELK> CDT
[23:34] <WB8ELK> Central Daylight Time
[23:34] <Randomskk> yea, I know that's the timezone
[23:34] <WB8ELK> Chicago is the nearest
[23:34] <Randomskk> but that isn't an option -- it's gotta be the city
[23:34] <Randomskk> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tz_database_time_zones
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[23:35] <Randomskk> maybe Menominee. it uses CDT.
[23:35] <Randomskk> :|
[23:35] <ka9chm> Madison WI is the nearest city to us
[23:36] <Lunar_Lander> what do your flights carry?
[23:36] <WB8ELK> America/Chicago would work
[23:36] <Lunar_Lander> amateur radio, cameras, science instruments?
[23:37] <WB8ELK> The only one I see on that list that would work is: America/Chicago
[23:38] <DanielRichman> WB8ELK: thanks; if you refresh the flights list you should now see EarthBreeze as an option
[23:38] <WB8ELK> thanks
[23:38] <WB8ELK> How do we do that for other future flights?
[23:39] <DanielRichman> WB8ELK: have a read of http://habitat.habhub.org/genpayload/
[23:39] <DanielRichman> basically, we were getting overrun by payloads, so we tucked them away in the 'Testing payloads' menu
[23:39] <DanielRichman> and the flight bar displays upcoming real flights only
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[23:39] <DanielRichman> I only just saw the email (James forwarded it) so that explains the delay in creating the flight
[23:40] <Randomskk> (though you can now create the flights entirely yourself and they get saved to the database so we just click Approve)
[23:40] <Randomskk> (and you can create the payload configuration ones yourself and they're saved and go live automatically for testing)
[23:40] <DanielRichman> basically make a document using that link and then email or visit us on IRC - we have a quick thing to stop spam, we just have to 'approve' each flight
[23:40] <Randomskk> (so if you make a new payload, you can use genpayload there to tell the system how to parse it, and make a new flight document whenever you fly it)
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[23:41] <DanielRichman> the idea being that if the payload hasn't changed at all since your last flight, you don't need to change its configuration - just specify a new launch date
[23:41] <WB8ELK> How much leadtime do we need for a new flight document?
[23:41] <Randomskk> essentially none
[23:41] <Randomskk> minutes
[23:41] <Randomskk> pre-launch ideally
[23:41] <DanielRichman> if one of us is awake we respond pretty quickly to emails/irc
[23:42] <DanielRichman> if you do it a bit earlier then everyone that has already opened dl-fldigi won't have to refresh
[23:42] <Randomskk> that's true. if no one is awake then it might take a little longer.
[23:42] <Randomskk> I'll just let DanielRichman answer your questions :P
[23:43] <DanielRichman> currently only myself and Randomskk can do it but we'll be both talking about how to use that thing at the conference and getting other people able to approve flights so that it doesn't depend on us being present all the time
[23:43] <WB8ELK> ok....will it still work if no flight document has been made for the launch date?...for pre-launch testing etc
[23:43] <Randomskk> yes
[23:43] <WB8ELK> It just doesn't show up in the "Flight" window right?
[23:43] <Randomskk> the flight document is only for an actual flight, and just puts it on that short list
[23:43] <Randomskk> correct
[23:43] <Randomskk> (but please do make a flight document for actual flights, because it helps keep the database in order and lets us know what was just test data)
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[23:44] <Randomskk> however for testing all you need is a payload configuration, which you already have and can make new ones yourself without anyone doing anything
[23:44] <EarthBreezeLaunc> Launch site laptop
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[23:44] <DanielRichman> we intend to add a 'testing' tab to spacenear.us, and hide people testing payloads from the main view (keeping it for real flights)
[23:44] <DanielRichman> then it will be more important that flight docs are set up
[23:44] <WB8ELK> ok...that'll work
[23:45] <DanielRichman> also means people are free to test while launches are going on elsewhere in the world, which is cool
[23:45] <WB8ELK> will people running HAB version .29 still be able to upload data?
[23:45] <Randomskk> yes, but not forever -- we encourage people to update when they can
[23:46] <Randomskk> but for the forseeable future, yes, that's fine
[23:46] <WB8ELK> good since there are many using that for this flight I think
[23:46] <WB8ELK> I'll be running the new version here
[23:46] <Randomskk> cool
[23:46] <Randomskk> we haven't planned when to get rid of the old interface yet
[23:46] <Randomskk> so it should keep working for a while yet.
[23:46] <DanielRichman> WB8ELK: if you have any gripes or bugs or suggestions concerning the new version please do raise them here or email
[23:46] <WB8ELK> Good to hear that we can now configure our own payload data
[23:47] <WB8ELK> can you private IM me your emails?
[23:47] <DanielRichman> we have to release a small update to the latest version (it has built in update checking now, so don't worry about when or anything) which means we can fix little things that people notice using it on an actual flight
[23:47] <DanielRichman> sure
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[23:51] <EarthBreeze> Payload is Up And running
[23:52] <WB8ELK> 10.145 MHz USB right?
[23:52] <EarthBreeze> yup and upper tone is at 1700
[23:52] <WB8ELK> so 1500 and 1700?
[23:52] <EarthBreeze> yup
[23:53] <EarthBreeze> going otside shortly will have laptop but not sure if will be able to see screen.
[23:53] <KA9QFJ> Hi Tom WJ9H
[23:53] <EarthBreeze> going out
[23:53] <WB8ELK> how often will it transmit at the moment
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[23:54] <griffonbot> Received email: Dave "Re: [UKHAS] dl-fldigi feedback/bug report request"
[23:54] <WB8ELK> ok Joe...will look for your liftoff
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[23:55] <WJ9H> Hi Bill QFJ, where are you monitoring from?
[23:55] <EarthBreezeLaunc> cool i can see the laptop out here
[23:55] <EarthBreezeLaunc> ok brb
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[23:56] <KA9QFJ> Home, Town of Dunn
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[23:57] <KA9QFJ> Just got back from Spooner a bit ago after 10 days in the northwoods
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