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[06:22] <jcoxon> hey radim_OM2AMR
[06:24] <radim_OM2AMR> hey james
[06:24] <jcoxon> all set?
[06:24] <radim_OM2AMR> we're preparing all on the site, hope yes :-)
[06:25] <jcoxon> do you have people to help track?
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[06:27] <radim_OM2AMR> yes, onsite and chasecar
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[06:32] <jcoxon> i'll email the list reminding any other stations in the area to listen out
[06:32] <jcoxon> there are a few in neighbouring countries
[06:35] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "Re: [UKHAS] Slovakia Launch Announcement - STS-1 (Saturday 8-SEP-2012)"
[06:35] <jcoxon> radim_OM2AMR, i'll use globaltuners to help track remotely
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[06:37] <Upu> morning all
[06:37] <daveake> and what a glorius morning it is
[06:38] <daveake> +o
[06:38] <daveake> Just been for a walk with my camera
[06:39] <Upu> bit dull and overcast here
[06:40] <daveake> That's 'cos you're oop north
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[06:41] <Upu> up
[06:41] <Upu> yup
[06:44] <Upu> I see a sun beam on a house though
[06:44] <Upu> I shall walk the dog and report back
[06:47] <radim_OM2AMR> hmm, we have problem with new fldigi
[06:48] <radim_OM2AMR> we have correct checksum, but we can't see STS-1 on tracker
[06:49] <jcoxon> okay
[06:49] <jcoxon> its getting through to the server
[06:50] <radim_OM2AMR> hmm, whats wrong ? we can switch to older version probably
[06:50] <jcoxon> i think its a server issue
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[06:53] <jcoxon> radim_OM2AMR, try the older dl-fldigi
[06:53] <jcoxon> i'll see what i can do to get it fixed
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[06:56] <DanielRichman> don't worry about old fldogi: won't make a difference
[06:56] <DanielRichman> am looking at fix
[06:57] <radim_OM2AMR> ok, I downloading...
[06:59] <jcoxon> radim_OM2AMR, its a server issue - we'll fix it
[06:59] <jcoxon> keep with the new dl-fldigi
[06:59] <radim_OM2AMR> ok
[06:59] <radim_OM2AMR> thnx
[07:02] <DanielRichman> fixed
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[07:04] <radim_OM2AMR> great !!! many thanks gyus ! :-)
[07:09] <jcoxon> radim_OM2AMR, how long till launch?
[07:11] <radim_OM2AMR> approx 2 hours
[07:13] <Upu> daveake confirming also glorious up north : http://i.imgur.com/n7y7w.jpg
[07:16] <jcoxon> i think it'll be nice everywhere today
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[07:22] <daveake> Nice! Just waiting for mine to upload. Hate the slow upload speeds I get.
[07:23] <daveake> brb shower
[07:32] <daveake> http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/7953938734/in/set-72157631461557266
[07:33] <Darkside> foggy here
[07:34] <griffonbot> @daveake: Oh what HABeautiful morning - http://t.co/BGepYuVW - a lovely start to the day. Let's hope the ballooning #UKHAS goes well. [http://twitter.com/daveake/status/244337779683766273]
[07:34] Action: jcoxon is jealous he isn't launching...
[07:34] <Upu> thats pretty
[07:34] <daveake> :(
[07:34] <daveake> This will be my first launch into a blue sky. Last 2 it's been drizzling!
[07:35] <Upu> http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/7953968924/in/set-72157631461557266/
[07:35] <Upu> lol
[07:35] <daveake> Thought you'd notice that one :)
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[07:51] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: On the train to #ukhas launch-a-thon 2012! [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/244342169828196352]
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[08:06] <natrium42> chase car appeared :)
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[08:09] <gonzo_mob> you may be a rain god dave?
[08:10] <griffonbot> @PD3EM: It's going to be busy in near-space this weekend with a lot of High Altitude Balloons! http://t.co/DNSb0fKM Lauch-O-Thon 2012 #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/PD3EM/status/244346957638807553]
[08:15] <fsphil> hmm.. full cloud cover here </jealous>
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[08:17] <fsphil> I predict we'll see some really interesting flights today
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[09:19] <natrium42> looks like they are in the field
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[09:23] <SamSilver> anyone got comms with them?
[09:23] <natrium42> radim_OM2AMR is in the channel
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[09:24] <mclane1> Sts1 already up?
[09:24] <SamSilver> nope
[09:25] <SamSilver> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[09:25] <SamSilver> yip looks like klaunch
[09:26] <SamSilver> launch as well
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[09:26] <SamSilver> looks like we could have update overload
[09:27] <radim_OM2AMR> launch
[09:27] <fsphil> good luck!
[09:27] <radim_OM2AMR> thnx
[09:29] <SamSilver> nice rate of climb
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[09:37] <SamSilver> radim_OM2AMR: did you put an extra squrit of gas in?
[09:38] <Randomskk> just got off the phone with duxford
[09:38] <Randomskk> lol
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[09:39] <Randomskk> "and are you responsible for the elsworth site as well? are they not launching either?"
[09:39] <Randomskk> "uhm, no, you might want to check with them...."
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[10:16] <cuddykid> some how a press agency got hold of my home phone no
[10:16] <Upu> Nice ascent rate looks like the formula for squirts is working
[10:17] <cuddykid> local rag coverage: http://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/9918054.Up__up_and_away____to_infinity_and_beyond_/
[10:18] <cuddykid> few of the details aren't correct: not my 3rd launch, didn't have solar panels on board this one
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[10:18] <Randomskk> be glad that's all they got wrong
[10:18] <Upu> lol I love how they just make stuff up
[10:18] <cuddykid> lol
[10:18] <Upu> does make you wonder about important news stories
[10:18] <craag> Does anyone have the pastebin of the standalone-predictor install that I saw on here a while ago?
[10:19] <Randomskk> haha that's a fun one
[10:19] <Randomskk> I don't have it handy but i'm sure someone will
[10:19] <Randomskk> what did you want it for?
[10:20] <craag> Set up an install on my machine for looking to do a pico launch in an evening next week.
[10:22] <costyn> hiay
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[10:23] <Laurenceb_> hi
[10:26] <Upu> morning Laurenceb
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[10:29] <craag> Dang, prediction for my launch site today would be straight up and land <10 miles away!
[10:30] <costyn> craag: that would be sweet :)
[10:30] <Upu> craag do you mean the hourly predictor ?
[10:30] <craag> Upu: Yeah I do, I got confused.
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[10:31] <Upu> give me your coords I'll set up http://hourly.upuaut.net for you
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[10:32] <craag> Thanks!
[10:32] <craag> 51.293325, -1.162754
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[10:32] <Upu> burst alt ?
[10:33] <Upu> I put 6000 with a decent rate of 0.0001
[10:33] <costyn> first lauch at elsworth at around 12-ish?
[10:34] <costyn> ah mondo just appeeared on the map
[10:34] <Upu> they are arriving on site at 12
[10:34] <Upu> oh he'll be going up then
[10:35] <eroomde> are dave and mark launching again Upu ?
[10:35] <Upu> yeah today eroomde
[10:36] <Upu> they are meant to be onsite @ Elsworth ~ 12
[10:36] <craag> Upu: That'll do, first ever launch and it's a pico, so will probably get the fill wrong, just want direction really.)
[10:36] <Upu> its updating check that site again in about 30 mins
[10:36] <craag> Thanks a lot!
[10:36] <eroomde> ta
[10:38] <costyn> will set up for listening once mondo is up
[10:42] <Upu> Mondo up
[10:44] <Upu> 434.647.500
[10:45] <Randomskk> wow
[10:45] <Randomskk> oh, mondo was scheduled for 11 rather than 12?
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[10:45] <Randomskk> :o nope, 1200
[10:46] <Randomskk> what on earth happened to hab time, that's a full 15 minutes early!
[10:48] <eroomde> maybe he got confused and was aiming for 9am
[10:48] <Randomskk> seems more likely
[10:49] <cuddykid> today looks a fun day
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[10:57] <kokey> woah I think I am rececieving mondo from leicestershire
[10:58] <G7PMO-Kev-2> im rx'ing Mondon, but can't decode anything atthe moment
[10:58] <kokey> weak signal, but certaintly something
[10:58] <fsphil> has mondo launched?
[10:58] <cuddykid> yep
[10:58] <fsphil> ooh nice
[10:59] <kokey> this is just on my scanner with the telescopic antenna
[10:59] Action: kokey installs dl-fldigi
[10:59] <eroomde> unexpected tax return!
[11:00] <eroomde> that covers last night in london
[11:00] <eroomde> splendid
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[11:00] <Randomskk> eroomde: haha woo, the best kind of free money
[11:02] <DrLuke> I just noticed that the size of the circles changes when you move up or down
[11:02] <eroomde> i was slightly hung over here this morning thinking 'i really didn;t need to do that last night. i cannot afford it (st john meal then out)'
[11:02] <fsphil> there's a bad kind of free money?
[11:02] <eroomde> and now i feel a lot better about it
[11:02] <fsphil> DrLuke: spacenear cheats a bit :)
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[11:03] <fsphil> it hsould only happen when zoomed out a fair bit
[11:03] <mclane> someone listening on sts1?
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[11:04] <fsphil> too far from here
[11:05] <mclane> I think I can hear something, but with 600 Hz shift
[11:05] <mclane> 450 km away
[11:05] <mclane> no decode
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[11:08] <kokey> what's the prediction like for mondo?
[11:08] <kokey> is it going to keep going east?
[11:11] <craag> Upu: Sorry to bother you, would you be able to change the hourly for 1.5 m/s descent?
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[11:17] <costyn> whats with the decimal in a strange place in the coordinates?
[11:17] <Randomskk> https://randomskk.net/u/dlfldigi-versions-1215.png
[11:17] <Randomskk> we're getting there
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[11:19] <daveake> Afternoon
[11:19] <Randomskk> hi daveake
[11:19] <Randomskk> https://randomskk.net/u/dlfldigi-versions-1215.png ;o
[11:19] <G7PMO-Kev-2> Costyn - your doing will decoding Mondo, im strugaling an im a lot closer
[11:19] <daveake> That a hint? :)
[11:19] <Randomskk> daveake: I don't know, have you upgraded? :P
[11:19] <daveake> I have the new one here
[11:19] <Randomskk> yay
[11:19] <daveake> Yes on home pc and car pc
[11:20] <costyn> G7PMO-Kev-2: thanks, getting s/n of 30-32 here
[11:20] <costyn> never had it that good
[11:20] <daveake> Not on the netbook yet but will do, though it probably will only be used for the video
[11:20] <daveake> Got here early and watched Mondo Mick's launch
[11:20] <daveake> Mike Bessant is here to watch
[11:20] <daveake> Waiting for Steve who is running 30mins late
[11:20] <G7PMO-Kev-2> im getting 8-10 but not able to decode :(
[11:21] <costyn> G7PMO-Kev-2: but you're relatively close
[11:21] <daveake> Mondo Mike tested his antenna and got the SWR to 1.02 I think he said
[11:21] <daveake> 2000g Indian balloon fwiw
[11:21] <costyn> G7PMO-Kev-2: what could be the reason (I'm not a ham - curious)
[11:22] <G7PMO-Kev-2> I am, I can hear it, don't know why I cant decode it :( it's not the 'reverse' issues I had last week,
[11:23] <jcoxon_> G7PMO-Kev, getting any characters?
[11:24] <cuddykid> what make is that daveake?
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[11:24] <jcoxon_> sts-1 burst
[11:25] <daveake> Pawan i think
[11:25] <cuddykid> ah, should be interesting then
[11:25] <costyn> 39k for sts-1, very nice
[11:25] <cuddykid> might be helping chris hillcox out this friday for a launch he's going to be using 1200G Pawan I think
[11:26] <Laurenceb_> any sts-1 reception in uk?
[11:26] <costyn> Laurenceb_: that would be quite a feat
[11:26] <Laurenceb_> with a large yagi...
[11:26] <costyn> Randomskk: does the port-audio work for you under Mac?
[11:26] <Randomskk> costyn: I guess so? audio works
[11:26] <Randomskk> and the mac build has port audio built in
[11:27] <Randomskk> yes
[11:27] <Randomskk> port audio is working
[11:27] <costyn> Randomskk: never got it to work, its supposed to play back the incoming audio to the speakers right?
[11:27] <Randomskk> don't think so
[11:27] <costyn> Randomskk: i always have to fire up LineIn to hear it
[11:27] <Randomskk> yea, same, I don't think it's meant to play it back
[11:27] <G7PMO-Kev> jcoxon - yes - http://picpaste.com/ScreenHunter_01_Sep._08_12.25-xTCz3J6c.jpg
[11:28] <costyn> Randomskk: then why does the label say 'Playback' :)
[11:28] <Randomskk> ['G8KNN-1', 'NOCALL', 'OM5', 'OM5AVX', 'MONDO', 'M0PDA', 'OM6DC', 'OM4ABB', 'BISHOP', 'OM4AQP', 'G8KNN', 'OM3KEG'], you should all upgrade dl-fldigi
[11:28] <Randomskk> costyn: that's for output from dl-fldigi when it's generating data
[11:28] <Randomskk> e.g. if you transmit
[11:28] <costyn> Randomskk: aaah ok
[11:28] <mclane> I could see sts1 in dl fldigi but no decode
[11:28] <mclane> strange shift: 590 Hz
[11:28] <Laurenceb_> mclane: nice
[11:28] <Laurenceb_> large yagi?
[11:29] <Randomskk> are you sure it's sts-1?
[11:29] <mclane> but now the signal is quickly fading away
[11:29] <G0DJA> Good sigs but can't get a decode from Mondo yet
[11:29] <mclane> 8 elem yagi
[11:29] <Laurenceb_> sounds like it then
[11:29] <jcoxon_> G7PMO-Kev, that should decode
[11:29] <Randomskk> an 8 elem yagi really shouldn't be able to hear sts1
[11:29] <Randomskk> it should be well below the horizon?
[11:29] <mclane> I saw data bursts roughly 1-2 s long
[11:29] <daveake> Steve's here now
[11:30] <G7PMO-Kev-2> jcoxon - :)
[11:30] <G0DJA> Is it 50 baud and 8/none/1 ?
[11:30] <G7PMO-Kev-2> brb
[11:30] <costyn> $$MONDO-3,260,11:29:26,+5221.6290,+00014.5452,15949,04.9*7B <-- whats with the coordinates?
[11:30] <mclane> no I am in south of germany, 450 km away
[11:30] <G0DJA> Also, I don't appear on the map either...
[11:30] <Randomskk> costyn: ddmm.ssss
[11:30] <costyn> somehow they are parsed correctly by dl-fldigi
[11:30] <Randomskk> at a guess
[11:30] <jcoxon_> costyn, thats nmea format
[11:30] <costyn> Randomskk: I see
[11:30] <Randomskk> it's not an uncommon format
[11:30] <Randomskk> which is why habitat/dl-fldigi support it
[11:31] <mclane> and sts1 was quite well above the horizon
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[11:31] <G7PMO-Kev-2> ahhh, rtty acsi setting were wrong
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[11:31] <costyn> Laurenceb_: myth busted :P
[11:32] <costyn> i kid
[11:32] <G7PMO-Kev-2> is mondo 50 80 none 1?
[11:32] <Laurenceb_> ah
[11:32] <G7PMO-Kev-2> 50 8 none 1 even?
[11:32] <Laurenceb_> sounds like some tx power issues perhaps
[11:32] <Laurenceb_> should have been clean in south germany
[11:32] <Randomskk> G7PMO-Kev-2: you should be able to use autoconfigure in dl-fldigi?
[11:32] <costyn> G7PMO-Kev-2: 8-n-1.5
[11:33] <costyn> and what Randomskk said :)
[11:34] <costyn> is the payload swinging? i hear it fade in and out and the freq go up and down
[11:37] <fsphil> what's mondos dial frequency?
[11:37] <Hix> 434.6515 here
[11:37] <costyn> 434.650.74 here
[11:37] <Upu> modnos autoconfig wrong ?
[11:37] <Hix> though no decode as yet
[11:37] <fsphil> ta
[11:37] <Upu> oh yes
[11:37] Nick change: Upu -> M0PUPU_Upu
[11:37] <costyn> autoconfig worked for me
[11:38] <costyn> (with the new client :P)
[11:38] <fsphil> congratcs M0PUPU_Upu :)
[11:38] <M0PUPU_Upu> err
[11:38] Nick change: M0PUPU_Upu -> M0UPU_Upu
[11:38] Nick change: fsphil -> MI0VIM_fsphil
[11:38] <MI0VIM_fsphil> nothing yet, although I'm not sure I'm pointing the right way
[11:38] <MI0VIM_fsphil> and it's still a bit low
[11:39] <M0UPU_Upu> I got it at 500 meters, then went to walk dog
[11:39] <M0UPU_Upu> autoconfig didn't have it correct
[11:39] <M0UPU_Upu> its 8N2 not 7N1.5
[11:39] <M0UPU_Upu> right need some food
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[11:40] <MI0VIM_fsphil> odd
[11:40] <MI0VIM_fsphil> corrected
[11:40] <costyn> G7PMO-Kev-2: got it working yet?
[11:40] <MI0VIM_fsphil> (locally)
[11:40] <Hix> ahh got it cheers M0UPU_Upu
[11:41] <costyn> good god it's hot here in the sun
[11:42] <costyn> using my mobile setup again http://imgur.com/a/PrsuH#9 :)
[11:42] <MI0VIM_fsphil> sun?
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[11:42] <costyn> yes it's very very sunny here
[11:43] <daveake> Fun fun fun in the sun sun sun
[11:43] <Hix> same here, scorchio
[11:43] <Morseman> Getting a runtime error 403 habitat/habhub here
[11:43] <Randomskk> people having issues with autoconfigure
[11:43] <costyn> G7PMO-Kev-2: I see you got it working
[11:43] <Randomskk> what's up with that?
[11:44] <Randomskk> I try autoconfigure and it sets it to 8n1.5
[11:44] <costyn> Randomskk: same, works for me, as does 8n2
[11:44] <Randomskk> interesting
[11:44] <Randomskk> M0UPU_Upu: ?
[11:44] <Randomskk> Morseman: where are you getting that error?
[11:44] <daveake> Xaben will be first. Steve's starting to set up now.
[11:44] <daveake> Not rushing - it's a lovely day :)
[11:44] <Randomskk> yay https://randomskk.net/u/dlfldigi-versions-1241.png
[11:44] <Randomskk> my graph was slightly wrong the first time. added counts.
[11:46] <Morseman> It's showing at the bottom of the FL-Digi screen
[11:46] <Randomskk> are you on the brand new dl-fldigi?
[11:46] <daveake> Video stream up
[11:46] <costyn> weird... it was decoding fine, now all of a sudden, garbage
[11:46] <Randomskk> costyn: Rv? :P
[11:47] <Morseman> Decoding garbage again now
[11:47] <M0UPU_Upu> auto configured to 7N1.5 for me
[11:47] <costyn> Randomskk: tried that
[11:47] <Randomskk> M0UPU_Upu: sure you picked mondo?
[11:47] <Morseman> What should the settings be?
[11:47] <Randomskk> Morseman: do you have the new dl-fldigi?
[11:47] <M0UPU_Upu> yep
[11:47] <M0UPU_Upu> 7N2
[11:47] <Morseman> Mondo not showing up
[11:47] <Hix> 8N2 shift 410
[11:47] <M0UPU_Upu> yes 8n2 sorry
[11:47] <Hix> with the New dl-fldigi auto was wrong
[11:48] <costyn> getting a lot of noise
[11:48] <costyn> could my radio be overheating?
[11:48] <Hix> he he
[11:48] <Morseman> 300 baud?
[11:48] <costyn> Morseman: 50
[11:48] <Randomskk> Morseman: 50 baud, 8n2
[11:48] <Morseman> Still not decoding - it did for a while
[11:49] <Randomskk> Morseman: there's a brand new version of dl-fldigi out (see https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/ukhas/0ftgJPGjJP8 )
[11:49] <Randomskk> if you haven't upgraded, that would be why you're getting those errors
[11:49] <costyn> Morseman: having the same problem
[11:49] <G7PMO-Kev-2> Costyn - Yes, sorry, was summoned for lunch :)
[11:49] <Morseman> This is version 3.21.43
[11:49] <G7PMO-Kev-2> I'm pretty sure Autoconfigure was getting things wrong though
[11:50] <Randomskk> Morseman: remind me your callsign?
[11:50] <costyn> oh well... have to get some lunch too
[11:50] <costyn> be back later
[11:50] <Morseman> G0DJA
[11:50] <Randomskk> okay I just checked and you're definitely using the old dl-fldigi
[11:51] <Randomskk> which is probably responsible for the error
[11:51] <Randomskk> depends how old the version you're using is. if you're using one of the old betas it won't work properly at all, but if you're using the old stable it should be okay
[11:51] <Hix> I'm getting decodes and the tracker is showing me as tracking but i'm not on the map?
[11:52] <Randomskk> Hix: callsign?
[11:52] <Hix> Hix
[11:53] <M0UPU_Upu> http://www.batc.tv/ch_live.php?id=768 looks like a nice sunny day
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[11:53] <Randomskk> Hix: looks like you're not uploading any positions. check your settings under DL Client -> Location
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[11:54] <Randomskk> everyone: not sure autoconfigure is doing /anything/ to the bits per character (ASCII-8, ASCII-7 etc) setting, you might want to set that yourself
[11:54] <Randomskk> (does anyone see that setting change from what it was previously on when you press autoconfigure?)
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[11:57] <M0UPU_Upu> nope
[11:57] <Hix> Randomskk: showing as uploading and put locationa in as 51.682258, 0.027250 corect? Still noton the map
[11:57] <Morseman> Thanks - version 50 installed and seems to be working
[11:57] <costyn> Randomskk: does on mine
[11:58] <Morseman> version 43 wont work anymore then?
[11:58] <Randomskk> costyn: it changes it?
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[11:58] <Randomskk> Morseman: 50?
[11:58] <jcoxon> Hix, it takes a little while to appear
[11:58] <Hix> ok
[11:58] <costyn> Randomskk: yea I changed the rtty settings to some random settings and then pressed autoconfigure again and it switched back to 50baud/450/8n1.5
[11:58] <Morseman> 50 8 n 1.5 here
[11:58] <Hix> frequency seems rock solid
[11:58] <costyn> s/450/425/
[11:59] <Randomskk> costyn: did you change the 8 bit to something else and it changed it back to 8?
[11:59] <Randomskk> Morseman: where are you getting "version 50" from?
[11:59] <Hix> 8n2 410 here with new dl-fldigi
[11:59] <Morseman> 425 here
[11:59] <Randomskk> Hix: you're not uploading positions. can you check that 'online' is ticked on the DL menu?
[11:59] <costyn> Randomskk: ah... no the bits/character doesn't change
[11:59] <Hix> yup did that it is
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[12:00] <Morseman> habhub.org/files/dl-fldigi and then select the right package for you. If it's windows that's the last option. The one with the word "windows" in the title
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[12:01] <MI0VIM_fsphil> receiving mondo, but it's right in the noise
[12:01] <Randomskk> Morseman: that's correct, but where do you see 'version 50'?
[12:01] <Randomskk> Hix: I still don't see you uploading any positions, even though you're uploading telemetry
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[12:02] <Morseman> It's the one with the word "windows" but it says something like "dl-fldigi-DL3.0-windows-8714c31.exe
[12:02] <SP9UOB> Hi all
[12:02] <Randomskk> are you set to 'stationary listener' with the right location in the boxes?
[12:02] <Randomskk> Morseman: that's the correct version to run
[12:02] <Randomskk> but it's not called version 50
[12:02] <Hix> Randomskk: not sure why I've checked online anything else I need to check?
[12:02] <Randomskk> Hix: DL Client -> Location, check you're Stationary Listener and maybe put in an Altitude of 0
[12:02] <Morseman> I tried to go straight to it and got a 401 error so I just went to habhub.org/files/fl-digi and selected the 'windows' one
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[12:03] <Randomskk> Morseman: hm. it should have worked going straight but never mind, if it's working that's fine
[12:03] <Randomskk> Hix: maybe double check you have a 0 in the altitude field.
[12:04] <Morseman> I see that a bad decode still clears the previous data :-(
[12:05] <Randomskk> Hix: you're up
[12:05] <Hix> Randomskk: lets see if restart works.....
[12:05] <Randomskk> what did you change?
[12:05] <Hix> it did then
[12:05] <Randomskk> okay
[12:05] <Randomskk> fine. maybe it had tried to upload earlier and failed and it only does it now and again.
[12:05] <Hix> good old IT trick
[12:05] <Randomskk> I'll go with that
[12:05] <Randomskk> do you see yourself on the map?
[12:06] <G7PMO-Kev-2> ok, lots of testing done, for me it is only 'bits per character' that autconfig is not setting.....
[12:06] <Randomskk> Hix: yup looks like you're all set
[12:06] <Randomskk> G7PMO-Kev-2: yea, investigating
[12:06] <Randomskk> thanks for testing
[12:06] <Hix> np
[12:07] <Morseman> Ah, the dist and bearing still stay - so that's better :-)
[12:07] <MI0VIM_fsphil> mondo has an 8-bit checksum?
[12:08] <Morseman> If I start or stop recording audio or the auto retune moves the receiver freq that causes a second or two lost data
[12:08] <MI0VIM_fsphil> can't be avoided
[12:08] <MI0VIM_fsphil> although it shouldn't do that when starting and stopping recording
[12:09] <MI0VIM_fsphil> mondo has faded here
[12:09] <Randomskk> hopefully a better auto retune next release
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[12:10] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[12:10] <MI0VIM_fsphil> I never did finish that
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[12:10] <MI0VIM_fsphil> hmm.. the scroll bug still happening to fldigi
[12:10] <G7PMO-Kev-2> Mondo has an interesting 'pause' in it's tx, not at sentence end as you might expect, but at mid sentance :)
[12:10] <Lunar_Lander> where are the other three balloons from the UK=
[12:10] <Randomskk> G7PMO-Kev-2: I think it's waiting for GPS data
[12:11] <G7PMO-Kev-2> Random - yea, all the code I have seen so far build the full sentance, then tx's it
[12:11] <G7PMO-Kev-2> this sugests mondo tx's it bit by bit?
[12:11] <Randomskk> yea, that's normally the way, but I believe mondo transmits the start first or something
[12:11] <MI0VIM_fsphil> got one
[12:11] <Lunar_Lander> where are the other three balloons from the UK=
[12:12] <Randomskk> Lunar_Lander: not launched yet
[12:12] <Randomskk> up soonish
[12:12] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[12:12] <G7PMO-Kev-2> ok, are there details of the hardware for Mondo around?
[12:12] <Randomskk> up soon, ISH*
[12:12] <cuddykid> what's mondo's approx payload weight?
[12:12] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[12:13] Nick change: G0DJA -> G0DJA_Morseman
[12:13] <daveake> not much
[12:14] <cuddykid> expecting a super high one then :D
[12:14] <MI0VIM_fsphil> getting good decodes now
[12:14] <cuddykid> looks like the perfect day for HABing
[12:15] <Hix> certainly a good day for images
[12:15] <Hix> anyone got a camera payload?
[12:15] <cuddykid> lol, one of the comments on the local rags article - "How can he reach to take the photo's?"
[12:16] <Randomskk> oh I see the autoconfigure issue
[12:16] <Randomskk> can fix/patch it server side
[12:18] <MI0VIM_fsphil> I thought mondo has burst there, seemed to wobble a bit
[12:19] <griffonbot> Received email: Adam Cudworth "[UKHAS] Re: New stable dl-fldigi available, please upgrade!"
[12:19] <daveake> Randomskk Can you check Xaben plz ... did Steve send a flight doc?
[12:19] <daveake> It's not in my active list, even after a refresh, and I'm uploading but not on the map
[12:19] <daveake> Er hold that ... error in dlfldigi status bar
[12:20] <daveake> Oh car pc not online :)
[12:20] <Randomskk> yea xaben should be fine
[12:20] <Randomskk> hmmm this autoconfigure thing
[12:20] <Randomskk> can in theory fix it server side
[12:21] <Randomskk> slightly messy
[12:21] <Randomskk> oh well
[12:24] <griffonbot> @DutchMillbt: RT @PD3EM: It's going to be busy in near-space this weekend with a lot of High Altitude Balloons! http://t.co/DNSb0fKM Lauch-O-Thon 2012 ... [http://twitter.com/DutchMillbt/status/244410804764540929]
[12:24] <daveake> Randomskk: OK there we go. Sorry about that ... for some reason the car PC wasn't connected to the access point. Rebooted now OK
[12:25] <Randomskk> okay
[12:25] <Randomskk> autoconfigure should be working
[12:25] <Randomskk> please refresh flight docs
[12:25] <Randomskk> and try
[12:25] <daveake> Also explains why my flight list was out of date :D
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[12:25] <Lunar_Lander> hi daveake!
[12:25] <Lunar_Lander> does someone know what Noise on MILLINUT means exactly?
[12:25] <G7PMO-Kev-2> Mmm, I think I have some antenna issues, on mondo, my 10 quid airband whip on the velux gives me 20db , my 20 quid 2m and 70cm whip on the velux gives 18db, and my 50 quid 2m and 70 cm proper colinear on a pole above the chimney gives my 9db!
[12:26] <daveake> Lunar !!!!
[12:26] <daveake> Shouldn't you be in hiding?
[12:26] <M0UPU_Upu> fsck
[12:26] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[12:26] <daveake> 4 launches and you're here!
[12:26] <M0UPU_Upu> Lunar you know there are some launches on ?
[12:26] <Lunar_Lander> 5
[12:26] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[12:26] <M0UPU_Upu> where is Kevin and what have you done with him ?
[12:26] <daveake> lol
[12:26] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[12:26] <Hix> Randomskk: autosonfigure seems ok now. good work!
[12:27] <Hix> configure even
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[12:27] <Randomskk> good
[12:27] <Randomskk> any other outstanding issues?
[12:27] <G0DJA_Morseman> Any news which launch is next in line?
[12:27] <M0UPU_Upu> probably XABEN
[12:28] <G0DJA_Morseman> Thanks
[12:28] <Hix> Randomskk: Photoshop won't install on my laptop. Don't think thats your issue though ;)
[12:28] <Randomskk> yea, I can't help you there :P
[12:28] <G0DJA_Morseman> Now the question is... Do I swap or stay with Mondo?
[12:29] <M0UPU_Upu> stay with Mondo for a bit :)
[12:29] <Lunar_Lander> does someone know what Noise on MILLINUT means exactly?
[12:29] <M0UPU_Upu> Lunar Millinut can receive as well
[12:29] <Hix> I get the feeling Mondo is going to go fairly high
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[12:30] <Randomskk> Lunar_Lander: it's the payload's radio's measure of the noise level at receive
[12:30] <Randomskk> so you can see what its background noise level is
[12:30] <Randomskk> because this payload has an upload capability
[12:30] <Randomskk> and obviously if the payload is swamped by noise it won't be able to pick up uplinks
[12:30] <M0UPU_Upu> http://i.imgur.com/m8Ugo.jpg near moar antennas :)
[12:31] <Randomskk> yea not good enough :P
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[12:31] <Hix> What balloon is Mondo using? And how any Stirks were added?
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[12:32] <M0UPU_Upu> it'll be a 1600g
[12:32] <M0UPU_Upu> and its going for altitude I suspect
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[12:32] <Lunar_Lander> Randomskk, yeah
[12:33] <Hix> M0UPU_Upu: looks that way
[12:34] <cuddykid> nice M0UPU_Upu
[12:35] <jcoxon> there is potentially a long duration flight this evening/night from the US
[12:36] <jcoxon> on 10.145Mhz
[12:36] <jcoxon> CW and RTTY 500mW
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[12:37] <MI0VIM_fsphil> sweet, we've a great HF setup here
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[12:37] <MI0VIM_fsphil> very strong signal from mondo now
[12:37] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Hi, current freq of Mondo-3?
[12:37] <MI0VIM_fsphil> 434.651.3 here
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[12:38] <OZ1SKY_Brian> thanks
[12:38] <G7PMO-Kev> 434.649.5 here
[12:38] <MI0VIM_fsphil> s/n 20 dB
[12:38] <MI0VIM_fsphil> I've never seen it that high
[12:39] <OZ1SKY_Brian> How can that be Kev, usb/lsb?
[12:39] <daveake> Steve just adding a couple of half Stirks
[12:39] <MI0VIM_fsphil> lol
[12:39] <G7PMO-Kev2> Brian - not sure, im on usb
[12:39] <MI0VIM_fsphil> USB here too
[12:39] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok
[12:39] <MI0VIM_fsphil> no idea how accurate my 817 is
[12:39] <G7PMO-Kev2> my vr-500 doesnt seem great, but im getting it on the same freq on a different aerial on a SDR too :)
[12:40] <G7PMO-Kev2> although SDR seems to decode only 25% of the packets that the vr-500 does
[12:40] <M0UPU_Upu> XABEN filling
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[12:43] <Lunar_Lander> hi OZ1SKY_Brian
[12:43] <MI0VIM_fsphil> burst
[12:43] <G7PMO-Kev> ooh
[12:43] <Lunar_Lander> Randomskk, in what unit is noise given?
[12:43] <Hix> Mondo climb rate falling rapidly now
[12:43] <Randomskk> just to reiterate: if you refresh flight docs in dl-fldigi, autoconfigure will work properly again
[12:44] <Randomskk> Lunar_Lander: no idea, you'd have to speak to Darkside for any details
[12:44] <M0UPU_Upu> mondo burst
[12:44] <Hix> that'd explain it
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[12:44] <Lunar_Lander> ok, thanks
[12:44] <MI0VIM_fsphil> frequency oddly stable
[12:44] <Hix> thought it was going to go a ot hjigher
[12:44] <MI0VIM_fsphil> just lots of fading
[12:44] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ... damn it, typical for me
[12:44] <MI0VIM_fsphil> there's three more launching shortly OZ1SKY_Brian :)
[12:45] <M0UPU_Upu> OZ1SKY_Brian XABEN should be a high flier
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[12:45] <M0UPU_Upu> that was a low burst for Monod
[12:45] <Randomskk> https://randomskk.net/u/dlfldigi-versions-1344.png 35 new vs 11 old
[12:45] <OZ1SKY_Brian> MI0VIM_fsphil: yes but im driving back and forward for the signal, im working :-)
[12:45] <Randomskk> getting better as the day goes on :)
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[12:46] <G0DJA_Morseman> Mondo seems to be coming down a bit quickly!
[12:46] <MI0VIM_fsphil> I've lost the signal
[12:46] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok driving back to work again, will keep an eye and drive home if there is hope. bye for now, good luck with the flights
[12:47] <Randomskk> interesting position there
[12:47] <Randomskk> I suspect that was perhaps why you don't use XOR checksums
[12:47] <G0DJA_Morseman> Something wierd happened there!
[12:47] <MI0VIM_fsphil> yea
[12:48] <Randomskk> 52 degrees turned into 12 degrees
[12:48] <MI0VIM_fsphil> I had two packets pass the checksum that where clearly wrong
[12:48] <Randomskk> but was still a valid checksum
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[12:48] <Randomskk> really, CRC16-CCITT is not hard, but it is so much better
[12:48] <Randomskk> people should not use xor
[12:48] <Randomskk> it's stunning how many receivers MONDO-3 had
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[12:49] <M0UPU_Upu> not getting lost due to lack of coverage is it
[12:49] <G7PMO-Kev2> I see a peak of about 10 rx's?
[12:50] <Randomskk> G7PMO-Kev2: yea, about that
[12:50] <Randomskk> not a record or anything
[12:50] <Randomskk> but still impressive
[12:51] <Hix> the frequency was solid all along too
[12:51] <G7PMO-Kev2> the frequency was superb
[12:51] <G7PMO-Kev2> what tx?
[12:51] <Randomskk> come on guys, get the other launches in the air, the habitat server is barely breaking a sweat :P
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[12:52] <M0UPU_Upu> trying..
[12:52] <G7PMO-Kev2> hahaha
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[12:53] <G7PMO-Kev2> frequency droping just a little now
[12:53] <G0DJA_Morseman> at -30m/s it's going to come down with a bit of a bump!
[12:53] <M0UPU_Upu> thats very quick
[12:54] <M0UPU_Upu> I suspect its carrying alot of latex
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[12:54] <daveake_> xaben up
[12:54] <daveake_> sorry web was down
[12:55] <daveake_> Steve had to launch
[12:55] <G7PMO-Kev> Millinut is giving a lot of telemetry - does it have a rx on board too?
[12:56] <M0UPU_Upu> yes it does
[12:56] <M0UPU_Upu> xaben up
[12:57] <Lunar_Lander> how does he handle the stuff running? what sort of microcontroller does he have?
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[12:57] <Darkside> right
[12:57] <Darkside> xaben is up
[12:57] <Randomskk> yay
[12:57] <Randomskk> two down two to go
[12:57] <Darkside> i had a bug in my uplink packets fo rmilinut
[12:57] <Darkside> thats fixed
[12:58] <Darkside> so i'm now ready to launch
[12:58] <Hix> XABEN on 434.3?
[12:58] <Darkside> yes
[12:58] <Randomskk> Darkside: gogogo :D
[12:58] <Randomskk> mainly because I want more 300 baud telem
[12:58] <Randomskk> this 50 baud xaben and mondo is getting dull
[12:59] <M0UPU_Upu> got XABEN
[13:00] <Hix> what dial M0UPU_Upu
[13:00] <M0UPU_Upu> 434.300.452 accroding to FCD
[13:00] <G7PMO-Kev2> is xaben 470 shift 50 7 none 1?
[13:01] <MI0VIM_fsphil> something I never thought I would say: the aircraft flying overhead are putting out engine noise on 434mhz
[13:01] <Hix> ooh got it
[13:01] <Randomskk> it's a bit of a shame the stats aren't working properly atm
[13:02] <MI0VIM_fsphil> http://i.imgur.com/pSFpz.jpg
[13:02] <Randomskk> whaaat
[13:02] <Randomskk> where are you and why are you not enjoying the weather on the beach :|
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[13:02] <MI0VIM_fsphil> I'm at Portrush, there's an air show going on here this weekend
[13:03] <MI0VIM_fsphil> and it's actually quite cold out there :)
[13:03] <MI0VIM_fsphil> there are people surfing though, that looks fun
[13:03] <Randomskk> nice view at any rate
[13:03] <G7PMO-Kev2> ahhh, 50 quid co-linear on the chimney is much better than the £10 whip now Mondo is lower again
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[13:05] <craag> Woops, didn't realise it would turn up spacenear without a flight doc.
[13:05] <Randomskk> craag: soon(ish) there will be a button to show/hide test telemetry
[13:06] <Randomskk> but not yet
[13:06] <M0UPU_Upu> zapped craag
[13:06] <Hix> Xaben 1 on 434.3 7n1 470shift
[13:06] <craag> Thanks M0UPU_Upu, I've gone offline here now.
[13:06] <daveake_> ta upu
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[13:06] <G7PMO-Kev2> ill se MOndo to the ground then change
[13:08] <MI0VIM_fsphil> landing nearby you?
[13:08] <Randomskk> http://stats.habhub.org/dashboard/ParserDetailed
[13:08] <Randomskk> haha
[13:08] <Randomskk> CPU usage
[13:08] <Hix> kin ell mondo came down quick
[13:08] <Randomskk> flat at 0, then about 8AM as STS-1 launches it starts to do something
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[13:08] <Randomskk> up to almost 12% now that we have three things in the air
[13:09] <Randomskk> not to mention 300bd cloud
[13:09] <M0UPU_Upu> about time it got some use
[13:09] <MI0VIM_fsphil> lol
[13:09] <M0UPU_Upu> and 300 milli
[13:09] <Randomskk> milli isn't coming in yet
[13:09] <M0UPU_Upu> Darkside is debugging it
[13:09] <MI0VIM_fsphil> I will check back in when they're a bit higher
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[13:10] <Hix> Had Xaben from about 1600m with the yagi on my bed seems to be pretty good inside
[13:10] <G0DJA_Morseman> Swapped to XABEN1 now - lost MONDO at about 1600 feet
[13:10] <Randomskk> time taken to parse each one is still pretty low
[13:11] <M0UPU_Upu> http://i.imgur.com/bBCFg.jpg
[13:11] <Randomskk> haha
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[13:11] <Randomskk> you're insane
[13:11] <M0UPU_Upu> from left to right FT817 on colinear, Tonna on FCD and Diamond on EZCAP
[13:12] <Randomskk> nice
[13:12] <M0UPU_Upu> FCD does not like the Colinear at all
[13:13] <JoyElctrc> Hello
[13:13] <M0UPU_Upu> afternoon JoyElctrc
[13:14] <JoyElctrc> Afternoon, or good morning depending on where you are&. Nebraska, USA here
[13:14] <JoyElctrc> Call is N0ZX
[13:14] <Lunar_Lander> hello to Nebraska
[13:14] <JoyElctrc> Hello Lunar...
[13:16] <Lunar_Lander> who is CRAAG1?
[13:16] <craag> Lunar_Lander: A payload I am testing and accidentally uploaded.
[13:16] <Lunar_Lander> ah :)
[13:16] <M0UPU_Upu> JoyElctrc you can see where most of us are at the moment : http://spacenear.us/tracker/ :)
[13:17] <JoyElctrc> Pretty quiet in here for so many users...
[13:17] <Lunar_Lander> everyone's watching their radios
[13:17] <M0UPU_Upu> we have a number of balloons up at the moment
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[13:18] <M0UPU_Upu> others going up shortly http://www.batc.tv/ch_live.php?id=768
[13:18] <JoyElctrc> Ahh, very cool...
[13:18] <MI0VIM_fsphil> M0UPU_Upu: does the fcd have habamp between it and the colinear?
[13:18] <M0UPU_Upu> yeah I took it out made no difference just didn't seem to be able to decode anything
[13:18] <MI0VIM_fsphil> very odd
[13:19] <MI0VIM_fsphil> I found I couldn't use the colinear at all with the fcd until I got habamp
[13:20] <JoyElctrc> We are thinking about doing ATV on our next launch& Our first launch last Sunday exceeded expectations, good video, was up to 99,711 ft, just had an APRS radio in it
[13:20] <M0UPU_Upu> HAB Amp with the Yagi into the FCD is amazing
[13:21] <M0UPU_Upu> we are very limited to what we can TX here in the UK JoyElctrc
[13:21] <M0UPU_Upu> we can't use APRS in the air
[13:22] <JoyElctrc> Yes, when I was researching some, I saw that there was quite some limitations there and the amazing ways to work around that...
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[13:23] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[13:23] <JoyElctrc> Wow, really, I did not know that APRS was not allowed in the air either
[13:23] <futurity> Hi everyone, sorry I'm later to the tracking party today
[13:23] <M0UPU_Upu> hey futurity
[13:23] <futurity> Hi UPU
[13:23] <M0UPU_Upu> no all we can use really is 10mW license exempt 70cms modules
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[13:24] <Lunar_Lander> JoyElctrc, I am in germany but I am using the same NTX2 as I don't have a amateur license yet
[13:24] <M0UPU_Upu> Looks like Mondo recovered or at least he's in the area
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[13:24] <futurity> Just reading my email and Steve said was ok to go along and help out. Doh a bit late now. I should read my email more often
[13:25] <M0UPU_Upu> well they are still on the ground if you run :)
[13:25] <M0UPU_Upu> http://www.batc.tv/ch_live.php?id=768
[13:25] <M0UPU_Upu> looks like the farmer turned up
[13:25] <JoyElctrc> Thats a tough project, I applaud the hard work that goes into making this work and tracking it, especially when your under a limited environment
[13:25] <M0UPU_Upu> well it doesn't seem to hold us back
[13:26] <M0UPU_Upu> we've done live images
[13:26] <M0UPU_Upu> have the top highest launches in the world
[13:26] <MI0VIM_fsphil> stretching the limits of live
[13:26] <M0UPU_Upu> and have managed 750km distance for reception
[13:26] <JoyElctrc> Thats awesome
[13:26] <M0UPU_Upu> so ok it takes 5 minutes to send down a 320x240 image :)
[13:26] <Randomskk> oooh nearly up to 15% CPU usage guys
[13:26] <Randomskk> try harder
[13:26] <MI0VIM_fsphil> still live :)
[13:27] <Randomskk> MI0VIM_fsphil: I reckon we're a good way off the limits of live
[13:27] <MI0VIM_fsphil> I suspect so too
[13:27] <M0UPU_Upu> spacenear.us is getting a harder time
[13:27] <Randomskk> indeed
[13:27] <Randomskk> kinda unfair really
[13:27] <Randomskk> oh well. habitat frontend one day
[13:28] <JoyElctrc> I need to run for now, good luck with all your launches today! 73's
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[13:29] <Randomskk> my desktop is great right now
[13:29] <Randomskk> I have two stats panes from habitat and systems, kraken's system load and processes, the tracker itself, the logtail
[13:29] <G7PMO-Kev2> :)
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[13:31] <M0UPU_Upu> looks like Darkside is filling
[13:32] <futurity> M0UPU_Upu: unfortunately I'm at least 30 minutes away from the site
[13:32] <Randomskk> https://randomskk.net/u/monitoring_habitat.png
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[13:33] <futurity> Very good site video streaming BTW
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[13:36] <Laurenceb_> where is the video?
[13:37] <MI0VIM_fsphil> hehe, habhub isn't showing anything since the new habitat went live
[13:37] <MI0VIM_fsphil> habhub/habhound
[13:37] <Randomskk> yea you might need to update a little :P
[13:37] <futurity> Video -> http://www.batc.tv/ch_live.php?id=768
[13:37] <G0DJA_Morseman> http://www.batc.tv/ch_live.php?id=768
[13:37] <futurity> Tracking working, but using old software
[13:37] <Laurenceb_> nice, 3G?
[13:37] <futurity> about to try the new version on Windows XP
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[13:38] <M0UPU_Upu> daveake filling
[13:39] <G0DJA_Morseman> That'll be a big balloon! OH, you mean he's filling his balloon :-)
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[13:43] <futurity> of out for a bit, but will leave rig tracking XABEN
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[13:45] <danielsaul> Dial freq. for xaben?
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[13:46] <M0UPU_Upu> 434.305
[13:46] <danielsaul> thanks
[13:46] <G0DJA_Morseman> Do we know if MONDO-3 was recovered OK?
[13:47] <M0UPU_Upu> well Mick must be in close proximity to it
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[13:49] <craag> M0UPU_Upu: When you have time, could you change your hourly to 1.5 ascent, 1.5 descent b@6000? It's not very easy to see what's happening with the current settings.
[13:49] <M0UPU_Upu> yeah its broken isn't it
[13:49] <M0UPU_Upu> 1 sec
[13:49] <craag> Cheers!
[13:50] <M0UPU_Upu> updating check back in 30
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[13:57] <Darkside> Randomskk: i will be running 300 baud
[13:57] <Darkside> the entire flight
[13:57] <Randomskk> good
[13:57] <Randomskk> hurry up and start txing 300bd, my graphs are getting boring
[13:58] <Darkside> lol
[13:58] <Darkside> it'll be in teh air soon
[13:58] <Darkside> and i'm uploading 300 baud already
[13:58] <Randomskk> so far peaking at about 40 parses a minute
[13:58] <Lunar_Lander> Darkside, can I ask a quick question?
[13:58] <Darkside> thing is, its 300 baud, but then a 3 second delay
[13:58] <Darkside> Lunar_Lander: no
[13:58] <Randomskk> aaaah I see
[13:58] <Randomskk> okay
[13:58] <Randomskk> fair enough
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[13:59] <G0DJA_Morseman> I never seem to do well with 300 baud for some reason
[14:00] <G0DJA_Morseman> Looks like it's getting a bit blowy in Cambridgeshire
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[14:00] <Lunar_Lander> Darkside, best of luck for this time!
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[14:02] <Randomskk> http://stats.habhub.org/dashboard/ParserDetailed
[14:02] <Randomskk> hovering around 36 parses a minute
[14:02] <Randomskk> try harder
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[14:05] <M0UPU_Upu> ok looks like about to launch
[14:05] <MI0VIM_fsphil> yep
[14:06] <MI0VIM_fsphil> gentlemen, get your antennas ready
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[14:10] <G0DJA_Morseman> both away by looks of it
[14:10] <M0UPU_Upu> look at that sky
[14:10] <M0UPU_Upu> amazing
[14:10] <M0UPU_Upu> this should do some awesome pics
[14:11] <M0UPU_Upu> away
[14:12] <G0DJA_Morseman> Millinut and Cloud gone
[14:12] <Randomskk> all up then?
[14:12] <daveake_> yup up
[14:12] <M0UPU_Upu> MILLINUT not updating ?
[14:13] <M0UPU_Upu> or cloud
[14:13] <Randomskk> one just came in
[14:13] <Randomskk> for millinut
[14:13] <Randomskk> watching for cloud
[14:13] <M0UPU_Upu> ok yeah
[14:13] <Randomskk> there's one
[14:13] <Randomskk> just seen a massive drop in parses though
[14:13] <Darkside> LAUNCH
[14:13] <Randomskk> suspect that's the ground side stopping decoding the 300bds
[14:13] <Randomskk> ah picking up again
[14:14] <Darkside> yes
[14:14] <Darkside> thsyt esa windows stole my usb sound card
[14:14] <daveake_> those 2 balloons look pretty damn close to each other from here !
[14:15] <M0UPU_Upu> 60 meters vertical sep
[14:16] <Darkside> yeah
[14:16] <Darkside> they are SO close
[14:16] <Darkside> like
[14:16] <Darkside> seriously
[14:16] <Darkside> they are RIGHT next to each other
[14:16] <Darkside> we have video and photos
[14:17] <M0UPU_Upu> I have photos from the stream looks great
[14:17] <Darkside> and i can uplink!
[14:17] <Darkside> wicked
[14:17] <costyn> Darkside: nice!
[14:17] <M0UPU_Upu> will test from here as soon as I see it
[14:17] <Darkside> noise is a little high
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[14:17] <Darkside> but it should be ok
[14:17] <Darkside> -80dBm
[14:18] Nick change: number10_M0MDB_C -> number10
[14:18] <Darkside> i can use a yagi to get over that if needed
[14:18] <M0UPU_Upu> ok I see it
[14:19] <kpiman> should i be able to decode XABEN1 from Doncaster?
[14:19] <M0UPU_Upu> 300 baud ?
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[14:19] <jdtanner> kpiman I can't hear it from Bakewell...but then again I don't hear very much normally ;)
[14:19] <M0UPU_Upu> Darkside is Millinut in 300 @ 7N2 ?
[14:20] <jdtanner> (afternoon everyone btw)
[14:20] <Darkside> 7N1
[14:20] <M0UPU_Upu> Spaaaace :)
[14:20] <M0UPU_Upu> ok as soon as it settles I'll try a TX
[14:20] <Darkside> ok
[14:22] <G0DJA_Morseman> kpiman yes - I'm in Bolsover and it's strong here
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[14:22] <jdtanner> Morseman: Hello...what freq have you got?
[14:23] <G0DJA_Morseman> 434.307.94
[14:23] <jdtanner> cheers :)
[14:23] <M0UPU_Upu> uplinked
[14:23] <M0UPU_Upu> :)
[14:24] <kpiman> a good signal but no meaningful data being recieved
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[14:24] <jdtanner> loads of interference here...might be the hoover :)
[14:24] <G0DJA_Morseman> kpiman - Horizon for XABEN1 now Southern Ireland to Germany
[14:25] <MI0VIM_fsphil> nothing from xaben1 here yet
[14:25] <G0DJA_Morseman> kpiman what version of FL-Digi are you using?
[14:25] <Darkside> M0UPU_Upu: nice@
[14:25] <Darkside> i sww that
[14:25] <M0UPU_Upu> 5W @ 204.5km Darkside
[14:26] <MI0VIM_fsphil> sweet, that works
[14:26] <M0UPU_Upu> someone just uplinked
[14:26] <G0DJA_Morseman> Blue circle not quite up to your neck of the woods yet MI0VIM_fsphil
[14:26] <Darkside> me
[14:26] <M0UPU_Upu> sec let me try 2.5w
[14:26] <MI0VIM_fsphil> just starting to appear on the waterfall G0DJA_Morseman
[14:26] <M0UPU_Upu> 2.5w
[14:27] <Darkside> hehe
[14:27] <M0UPU_Upu> trying 1 w
[14:27] <MI0VIM_fsphil> this is good, means my 5 watts might be enough
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[14:27] <kpiman> installed latest this morning
[14:27] <M0UPU_Upu> 1w is fine
[14:27] <M0UPU_Upu> trying 0.5w
[14:27] <Darkside> no that was me
[14:27] <Darkside> i did 1W
[14:27] <M0UPU_Upu> ok
[14:28] <Darkside> whatever
[14:28] <M0UPU_Upu> 1 sec
[14:28] <futurity> Back, just installing new Windows dl-fldigi
[14:28] <Darkside> ill leave it up to you for a bit
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[14:28] <Darkside> we're packing up
[14:28] <Darkside> M0UPU_Upu: no success?
[14:28] <M0UPU_Upu> 0.5w no
[14:28] <Darkside> ok
[14:28] <Darkside> damn
[14:29] <MI0VIM_fsphil> I'm running of battery, hope this works
[14:29] <M0UPU_Upu> 1w not working now either
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[14:29] <JFS1> afternoon all - what frequency for Xaben currently?
[14:30] <M0UPU_Upu> 5watts fine
[14:30] <Darkside> M0UPU_Upu: that was me
[14:30] <Darkside> lol
[14:30] <Darkside> sorry
[14:30] <M0UPU_Upu> lol
[14:30] <Darkside> go
[14:30] <M0UPU_Upu> stop it or I'll cut it down :)
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[14:31] <futurity> XABEN: 434,307.0
[14:31] <M0UPU_Upu> got it 5w
[14:31] <Darkside> i dont trust this noise floor measurement
[14:31] <JFS1> Ta much
[14:31] <Darkside> i think the other payload is interfering with it
[14:31] <Darkside> lol
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[14:32] <M0UPU_Upu> well can you track a balloon with an EZCAP - yes decoding okish at 300 baud
[14:33] <Darkside> lol
[14:33] <Darkside> ok
[14:33] Nick change: number10_M0MDB_C -> number10
[14:33] <MI0VIM_fsphil> Darkside: typically I have full access to the HF rig now
[14:33] <M0UPU_Upu> Darkside TXing 0 SPAAAAACE isn't going to trigger anything silly is it ?
[14:34] <Darkside> M0UPU_Upu: from what
[14:34] <M0UPU_Upu> from here
[14:34] <MI0VIM_fsphil> partial decodes from xaben
[14:34] <Darkside> using a RFM22B?
[14:34] <M0UPU_Upu> I have the orignal wva file you sent me
[14:35] <Darkside> oh
[14:35] <Darkside> uhm
[14:35] <Darkside> don't do it for th emoment
[14:35] <M0UPU_Upu> sure
[14:35] <futurity> Just installed the latest dl-fldigi, it seems to have loaded most of the operator details from the old version
[14:36] <MI0VIM_fsphil> that's normal
[14:36] <futurity> but locator is blank, does any one know if this is my location and the format of the field?
[14:36] <M0UPU_Upu> its the Maiden head locator thingy but don't worry about it
[14:36] <MI0VIM_fsphil> Locator in operator details is not used by habitat
[14:37] <MI0VIM_fsphil> DL Client > Location is what you need to make sure is filled in
[14:37] <M0UPU_Upu> meh Dark
[14:39] <futurity> yep DL Client > Location filled in :)
[14:39] <MI0VIM_fsphil> that's weird, just had dl-fldigi decode a random image packet
[14:39] <M0UPU_Upu> anything interesting ?
[14:40] <MI0VIM_fsphil> squiggles
[14:40] <MI0VIM_fsphil> the odds of it matching a packet against noise is really remote
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[14:40] <MI0VIM_fsphil> hmm.. and it didn't upload it
[14:42] <MI0VIM_fsphil> ah ha, decoding xaben
[14:43] <daveake_> M0UPU I see that the 2 Stirks did the job on mine :)
[14:43] <M0UPU_Upu> lol
[14:43] <daveake_> Actually it was 3
[14:43] <Lunar_Lander> can Millinut trigger a cutdown?
[14:43] <M0UPU_Upu> 3.6m/s
[14:43] <daveake_> Yes
[14:43] <M0UPU_Upu> interesting :)
[14:43] <Lunar_Lander> as I see that how the prediction goes, it is in danger
[14:43] <MI0VIM_fsphil> you don't want to over-stirk it
[14:43] <M0UPU_Upu> in danger ?
[14:43] <M0UPU_Upu> oh no
[14:43] <Lunar_Lander> yeah the green dot is close to the sea
[14:44] <Lunar_Lander> the landing dot
[14:44] <daveake_> It'll speed up vertically
[14:44] <daveake_> Being H2
[14:44] <M0UPU_Upu> you hope :)
[14:44] <daveake_> I do
[14:44] <daveake_> lol
[14:44] <G0DJA_Morseman> XABEN1 through the 30k point
[14:45] <number10> shame I cant be there for the chish and fips daveake_
[14:45] <daveake_> I'll post you some
[14:45] <number10> ta
[14:45] <M0UPU_Upu> still 50 meters apart horizontally
[14:45] <M0UPU_Upu> daveake_
[14:45] <M0UPU_Upu> you have to get this back
[14:45] <M0UPU_Upu> as there could be some truly amazing pics on there
[14:46] <G0DJA_Morseman> Is XABEN likely to go above 40k ?
[14:46] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[14:46] <Lunar_Lander> I just imagine
[14:46] <M0UPU_Upu> very much so G0DJA_Morseman
[14:46] <Lunar_Lander> he gets the mail and opens it and there are a day old fish and chips wrapped in newspapers
[14:46] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[14:46] <MI0VIM_fsphil> still a chance they could get tangled :)
[14:46] <G0DJA_Morseman> Postman followed by all the local cats...
[14:46] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[14:46] <number10> will be two seejs old
[14:46] <number10> weeks
[14:47] <Lunar_Lander> lol
[14:47] <Lunar_Lander> does fish & chips come with a certain sauce in england?
[14:47] <G0DJA_Morseman> Depends what you like Lunar_Lander
[14:47] <M0UPU_Upu> wind keeps rotating one of the antennas :/
[14:47] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[14:47] <MI0VIM_fsphil> HP sauce is the only one you need
[14:47] <G0DJA_Morseman> I prefer tomato sauce and salt and vinegar
[14:47] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[14:48] <Lunar_Lander> here at university they always sell them with danish remoulade
[14:48] <number10> on fish MI0VIM_fsphil - yuk
[14:48] <G0DJA_Morseman> Going to have to google that!
[14:48] <MI0VIM_fsphil> nah number10, for the chips
[14:48] <MI0VIM_fsphil> I don't like fish :)
[14:48] <Lunar_Lander> stuff like that G0DJA_Morseman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remoulade
[14:49] <Lunar_Lander> only yellow
[14:49] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[14:49] <MI0VIM_fsphil> but yes, fish fingers is better with red sauce
[14:49] <G0DJA_Morseman> Some people like Tartar sauce with fish
[14:49] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[14:49] <G0DJA_Morseman> Kate (my partner) prefers mushy peas
[14:49] <G0DJA_Morseman> http://mydanishkitchen.com/2011/01/17/remoulade-a-danish-condiment/
[14:49] <MI0VIM_fsphil> mushy peas are nice
[14:50] <G0DJA_Morseman> Oops - meant to say I'd found a recepi
[14:50] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[14:50] <G0DJA_Morseman> recipe - even
[14:51] <number10> are you up the mountain MI0VIM_fsphil?
[14:51] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[14:51] <Darkside> I hear you there M0UPU_Upu, uplinking to my payload
[14:52] <M0UPU_Upu> trying different power
[14:53] <MI0VIM_fsphil> number10: http://i.imgur.com/pSFpz.jpg :)
[14:54] <M0UPU_Upu> yeah 5watts most times
[14:54] <G0DJA_Morseman> Wish I were on that beach MI0VIM_fsphil
[14:54] <M0UPU_Upu> 2.5watts occasionally can't get an response with less
[14:55] <MI0VIM_fsphil> hmm.. 5 watts might not be enough from here
[14:55] <MI0VIM_fsphil> I shall be on it later today G0DJA_Morseman :)
[14:55] <G0DJA_Morseman> I can get up to 50W from here.
[14:55] <MI0VIM_fsphil> but it looks cold
[14:55] <M0UPU_Upu> I have to question if these two balloons are stuck to each other :)
[14:55] <MI0VIM_fsphil> lol
[14:56] <MI0VIM_fsphil> it does look like it
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[14:59] <MI0VIM_fsphil> 35km for xaben
[14:59] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[14:59] <Lunar_Lander> he can see past my house XD
[14:59] <MI0VIM_fsphil> you receiving it?
[14:59] <Lunar_Lander> he could see all to germany
[14:59] <Lunar_Lander> no
[14:59] <MI0VIM_fsphil> get out your radio :)
[14:59] <Lunar_Lander> but I am looking at the blue circle on spacenear
[15:00] <Lunar_Lander> at uni :(
[15:00] <Lunar_Lander> also didn't build the new dl-fldlgi yet
[15:00] <M0UPU_Upu> oh just got an uplink @ 1w
[15:01] <Lunar_Lander> how does it work Upu, like it rebroadcasts what you send it?
[15:01] <M0UPU_Upu> yep
[15:01] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[15:01] <M0UPU_Upu> just my call sign
[15:01] <Lunar_Lander> but only Darkside knows the code for cutdown right
[15:02] <M0UPU_Upu> no because that would be against the radio laws here
[15:02] <M0UPU_Upu> a number of us have it
[15:02] <Randomskk> uhm
[15:02] <Randomskk> I don't think telling a few friends makes it public
[15:02] <M0UPU_Upu> its in plain text
[15:02] <Randomskk> that's like using encryption because the person you're chatting to can also decrypt it
[15:02] <M0UPU_Upu> and not encrypted
[15:02] <Randomskk> agreed
[15:03] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[15:03] <Randomskk> so why would it be against the radio law for only darkside to know it?
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[15:03] <G0DJA_Morseman> No idea Randomskk
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[15:03] <G0DJA_Morseman> Radio Amateurs get paranoid when the authorities really don't care that much anyway
[15:03] <Randomskk> ignoring any qualms about using ham licenses to transmit to balloons
[15:04] <Randomskk> once you are uplinking to a balloon it seems you could transmit a number only you knew beforehand without issue
[15:04] <M0UPU_Upu> just switching to Xaben for a bit
[15:04] <MI0VIM_fsphil> excellent signal from xaben here
[15:04] <MI0VIM_fsphil> gonna nip down to the shop before the other payloads get here
[15:05] <M0UPU_Upu> in fairness they only real reason a number of us have it is so if Darkside can't trigger cut down there is backup
[15:05] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[15:05] <Lunar_Lander> darkside has audacity, that is cool
[15:05] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[15:05] <Lunar_Lander> like the best audio recorder and editor there is
[15:06] <jcoxon> for years i've been hoping for some listeners in suffolk (Bury St Edmunds to be exact)
[15:06] <daveake_> M0UPU_Upu (you have to get this back) sure do!
[15:06] <jcoxon> and now 2 come along
[15:06] <Lunar_Lander> yay
[15:07] <daveake_> If anyone is wondering, no we didn't tie CLOUD and MININUT together :D
[15:07] <Lunar_Lander> are they flying in formation?
[15:07] <Randomskk> daveake_: suuuuure :P
[15:07] <M0UPU_Upu> I think they are stuck
[15:07] <M0UPU_Upu> will be interesting to cut MILLINUT down and see if it still stays up :)
[15:08] <daveake_> lol
[15:08] <daveake_> You have the power :D
[15:08] <Lunar_Lander> daveake_, I remember one of the University of Minnesota plastic balloon flights where two balloons were launched simultaneously and were flying in tandem until one balloon overtook the other and photographed it with its automatic camera
[15:08] <Lunar_Lander> that was quite cool
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[15:10] <daveake_> I shall present proof :D
[15:12] <daveake_> http://imgur.com/CuX7d
[15:12] <MI0VIM_fsphil> I see a cord! ;)
[15:12] <Lunar_Lander> awesome!
[15:12] <Lunar_Lander> daveake_, you just recreated a launch from the 1950's :)
[15:13] <daveake_> Just my photoshops skills :D
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[15:13] <daveake_> ^^ j/k
[15:13] <MI0VIM_fsphil> lol
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[15:13] <Morseman> spacenear.us/tracker not updating
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[15:14] <M0UPU_Upu> the 300 baud transmissions mean doesn't always update all receivers I think
[15:14] <Morseman> Getting a runtime error in DL-FLDigi "couldn't resolve hostname"
[15:14] <Randomskk> Morseman: that sounds more like your thing's internet
[15:15] <Morseman> I'm typing this from next to the RX PC...
[15:15] <Randomskk> next to, but not on?
[15:16] <Morseman> Just trying it
[15:16] <Randomskk> okay just started the spacenear.us uploader system so that it reports number of uploads
[15:16] <Randomskk> restarted*
[15:16] <Randomskk> seems fine
[15:16] <Morseman> Says connected to wifi router OK
[15:16] <Randomskk> Morseman: try browsing the internet on it, or specifically going to habitat.habhub.org
[15:17] <Morseman> AH! It's lieing to me - something up with connection
[15:17] <Morseman> Gave it the software equivalent of a kick
[15:18] <Morseman> XABEN1 over 40k now
[15:18] <Morseman> 41,229 to be exact (or was a minute ago)
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[15:20] <Morseman> For some reason XABEN signal getting weak here
[15:20] <M0UPU_Upu> burst
[15:21] <daveake_> yep
[15:21] <M0UPU_Upu> and dropping like a brick
[15:21] <M0UPU_Upu> -128m/s
[15:21] <Morseman> Yep and coming down fast as well!
[15:21] <M0UPU_Upu> 286mph
[15:22] <M0UPU_Upu> bringing back the latex I suspect
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[15:22] <M0UPU_Upu> it burst again Brian :/
[15:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> you got to be kidding me, drove home again just to see it burst
[15:22] <M0UPU_Upu> lol
[15:22] <Morseman> Wonder if the antenna got ripped off or something?
[15:22] <M0UPU_Upu> just about 2 mins ago
[15:23] <M0UPU_Upu> I can still get it
[15:23] <M0UPU_Upu> ropey though
[15:23] <Morseman> I can hear it but distorted and not v strong
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[15:23] <Darkside> greetings all
[15:23] <Morseman> frequ driffing up quite fast as well
[15:23] <M0UPU_Upu> hey Darkside
[15:23] <Morseman> Hi Darkside
[15:24] <Darkside> well
[15:24] <Darkside> i
[15:24] <Darkside> sitting here
[15:24] <Darkside> not doing much
[15:24] <Darkside> lol
[15:24] <Darkside> we've got abit to wait
[15:24] <M0UPU_Upu> I'll jump back on MILLINUT just follwing XABEN down
[15:24] <M0UPU_Upu> coming in so quick we are getting doppler shift I think :)
[15:25] <Morseman> Wonder what G7SDC is using? He seems to have solid copy
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[15:28] <M0UPU_Upu> yeah I think antenna is damaged on XABEN as well
[15:28] <M0UPU_Upu> gone very very weak
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[15:29] <M0UPU_Upu> sounds like its spinning too
[15:29] <Morseman> I was just thinking that M0UPU_Upu
[15:31] <G7PMO-Kev2> what frequency yuo seeing xaben (weakly) on guys?
[15:31] <M0UPU_Upu> 434.306
[15:31] <M0UPU_Upu> .720
[15:31] <G7PMO-Kev2> got it
[15:31] <M0UPU_Upu> not decoding though
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[15:32] <G7PMO-Kev2> mmm, I can hear it fairly clear, but ditto not decoding
[15:34] <daveake_> ok about to set off
[15:34] <daveake_> Depending on when the other balloons burst, we may help Steve first
[15:34] <daveake_> Video stream will be on during the drive
[15:35] <G0DJA_Morseman> Swapped over to Cloud as no decodes on XABEN anymore
[15:35] <MI0VIM_fsphil> oh, missed xaben's burst
[15:36] <M0UPU_Upu> looks like its coming down with most of the balloon again
[15:36] <MI0VIM_fsphil> uhoh
[15:36] <G0DJA_Morseman> I have audio recordings of MONDO-3 XABEN-1 and now CLOUD
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[15:37] <MI0VIM_fsphil> what's millinut's dial?
[15:38] <Darkside> 434.757ish
[15:38] <Darkside> just scan around
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[15:39] <M0UPU_Upu> 434.757 here fsphil
[15:39] <M0UPU_Upu> and you will need 5W
[15:39] <MI0VIM_fsphil> thanks both
[15:39] <MI0VIM_fsphil> I'll wait until I hear it
[15:41] <G0DJA_Morseman> What do you need to do to tx a message to Millinut?
[15:41] <M0UPU_Upu> put the rig in dig mode and basically TX a wav file
[15:42] <G0DJA_Morseman> Audio?
[15:42] <Darkside> yes
[15:42] <Darkside> not for general mesing about with atm
[15:42] <G0DJA_Morseman> Hummm
[15:42] <MI0VIM_fsphil> range xaben was 586.5km when I lost it. nice
[15:42] <MI0VIM_fsphil> range to*
[15:43] <M0UPU_Upu> I think the parachute on Xaben is a little optimistic
[15:43] <G0DJA_Morseman> Working out how quickly could set up audio into Radio PC
[15:43] <MI0VIM_fsphil> -14m/s.. ooch
[15:43] <M0UPU_Upu> hope the cows move
[15:44] <Darkside> G0DJA_Morseman: you need a special packet
[15:44] <MI0VIM_fsphil> right, milli's horizon is right at me now
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[15:46] <Morseman> OK Darkside I'll not do anything then
[15:47] <Morseman> Signal to noise on CLOUD seems a bit low
[15:47] <Darkside> ok, we're heading to xaben atm
[15:47] <Darkside> then we'll go get ours
[15:47] <Morseman> Cloud burst :-)
[15:48] <Morseman> Sorry couldn't resist that
[15:48] <Darkside> don't do that
[15:48] <G7PMO-Kev2> I get lots of very valid looking lines from Milinut, but they all have an error of some sort acording to the CRC...
[15:48] <Morseman> But it hasn't so wonder what happened to the signal...
[15:48] <Morseman> It sounded just like a burst as well
[15:49] <Darkside> G7PMO-Kev2: working here
[15:49] <Darkside> you getr some very small errors that kill the checksum
[15:49] <G7PMO-Kev2> Darkside - yup, it's a long sentance and a tiny error kills it
[15:50] <Darkside> yes
[15:50] <Darkside> if it gets to the point whre nobody can decode it, then i'll switch it to 50 baud
[15:51] <Morseman> 300 baud and I don't seem to get on very well
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[15:51] <M0UPU_Upu> I can't decode 300 on the SDR at all
[15:51] <G7PMO-Kev2> because it's got a rx in it and yuo can talk to it? Is there a page that describes the electronics you have in there?
[15:51] <M0UPU_Upu> normal radio is fine
[15:51] <MI0VIM_fsphil> hmmm... nothing from either payload here
[15:52] <MI0VIM_fsphil> but they're suppose to be over the horizon
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[15:52] <Morseman> This is the best I've done on 300 so far and it's still not all that good. Green bar hardly lifting off bottom at times - s/n 10dB or lower
[15:54] <navrac_work> If its any help
[15:54] <navrac_work> Xabens last packet was $$$$$XABEN1,877,15:44:03,52.41989,0.99731,30*F3D
[15:54] <MI0VIM_fsphil> I think I hear it
[15:55] <MI0VIM_fsphil> getting a tone on 434.760 every 5 seconds or so
[15:55] <M0UPU_Upu> thats it
[15:55] <navrac_work> thats it
[15:55] <M0UPU_Upu> listen as I TX a message
[15:56] <M0UPU_Upu> there
[15:56] <MI0VIM_fsphil> heard that
[15:56] <MI0VIM_fsphil> ok, I'm going to try tx'ing
[15:56] <M0UPU_Upu> don't mess round jsut give it all the beans
[15:56] <M0UPU_Upu> :)
[15:56] <Darkside> 30?
[15:56] <Darkside> hrm
[15:57] <M0UPU_Upu> 30 what ?
[15:57] <Darkside> xabens last packet
[15:57] <Darkside> we hjave a packet at 400m
[15:57] <Darkside> thats good enough
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[15:58] <navrac_work> 30 local qrm - it reopeats every 10 secs so it just lost the last digit before the checksum
[15:58] <Morseman> Whats the grunt at the end on Millinut signal?
[15:58] <navrac_work> itsd
[15:58] <M0UPU_Upu> power ? its a RFM22B Morseman
[15:58] <navrac_work> taking a breath?
[15:59] <MI0VIM_fsphil> 5 watts not working yet
[15:59] <Darkside> Morseman: higher baid rate packet
[15:59] <M0UPU_Upu> message
[15:59] <MI0VIM_fsphil> just heard a packet
[15:59] <M0UPU_Upu> oh thats Darkside
[15:59] <Morseman> I'm recoding a bit of it
[15:59] <MI0VIM_fsphil> the eurofighter is here :)
[16:00] <Morseman> and the two tones?
[16:00] <M0UPU_Upu> ok I'll stop TXing now
[16:00] <Darkside> Morseman: that was me
[16:00] <Darkside> when i uplink, it sends an ACK
[16:00] <MI0VIM_fsphil> I don't even know if I'm transmitting properly :)
[16:01] <M0UPU_Upu> got the DIG mode set correctly ?
[16:01] <MI0VIM_fsphil> yea
[16:01] <MI0VIM_fsphil> the power meter is moving properly
[16:01] <Morseman> If it's packet I should be able to decode with something like UI-View?
[16:01] <Darkside> Morseman: no
[16:01] <MI0VIM_fsphil> dunno of the volume is too much though
[16:01] <Darkside> its not AX25
[16:01] <Morseman> Ah
[16:01] <jcoxon> Morseman, its the rfm22b natrual packet
[16:02] <Darkside> its 500 baud GFSK
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[16:06] <futurity> Hmmm don't seem to be able to get anything from Millinut through the latest windows version of the software
[16:06] <Randomskk> futurity: double check all your settings. also try refreshing the flight docs and hitting autoconfigure again
[16:06] <Randomskk> it should work -- it has for others
[16:07] <Lunar_Lander> I think it's awesome how parallel the trajectories are
[16:07] <G0DJA_Morseman> Gone back to cloud
[16:08] <G0DJA_Morseman> I seem to be MIA more often on 300 baud even when I'm getting loads of good decodes
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[16:12] <EarthBreeze> test
[16:12] <M0UPU_Upu> success
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[16:13] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[16:13] <DrLuke> Today our new shower enclosure arrived
[16:14] <navrac_work> cloud is fading a lot
[16:14] <Darkside> yup
[16:14] <DrLuke> and when I saw that it came with huge sheets of styrofoam, I weeped in joy
[16:14] <Randomskk> number of uploads coming into the system is dropping
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[16:20] <Darkside> getting into the null of my paylod now
[16:20] <Darkside> having trouble decoding anything
[16:22] <G0DJA_Morseman> Connection to wifi node went bad again
[16:23] <G0DJA_Morseman> Said it was connected and connected to internet but was lieing again
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[16:29] <Lunar_Lander> be back later
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[16:29] <MI0VIM_fsphil> ZILLINUT
[16:29] <MI0VIM_fsphil> this is not decoding as well as when I was up the mountain
[16:30] <Darkside> heh
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[16:39] <G0DJA_Morseman> Cloud burst - This time?
[16:39] <Darkside> yes
[16:39] <Darkside> now how high will millinut get
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[16:41] <MI0VIM_fsphil> that high
[16:41] <Darkside> DAMMIT
[16:41] <Darkside> UK beat Australia
[16:41] <Morseman> Cloud seems to be spinning as well
[16:42] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Ok this is a joke, burst for the 4th just before AOS
[16:42] <number10> Darkside tell daveake_ I'll save the bottle of wine for the great camera shoot out
[16:43] <Morseman> Everything seems to be falling out of the sky at a great rate today
[16:43] <Darkside> M0UPU_Upu: can you ping it
[16:44] <MI0VIM_fsphil> I tried just before and after burst, no luck
[16:44] <Darkside> k
[16:45] <MI0VIM_fsphil> this is not a great location though
[16:45] <MI0VIM_fsphil> well it is, but not for this :)
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[16:56] <G0DJA_Morseman> Seems to decode better if I'm not sat in the same room!
[16:57] <G0DJA_Morseman> Maybe I spoke too soon
[16:57] <G0DJA_Morseman> Can someone remind me (again!) where they keep the decode stats please?
[16:58] <Randomskk> http://habitat.habhub.org/stats/
[16:58] <Randomskk> which you will note are temporarily offline until the stats code is done being updated for the new thing
[16:58] <Randomskk> (soon)
[16:59] <G0DJA_Morseman> Ah - Thanks
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[17:13] <daveake_> xaben recovered
[17:14] <Randomskk> cool
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[17:15] <number10> great stuff
[17:17] <DrLuke> nice
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[17:18] <Darkside> XABEN recovered
[17:18] <Darkside> yes
[17:18] <Darkside> heading to cloud
[17:20] <number10> you did very well darkside on both cloud and micronut
[17:20] <Darkside> yeah
[17:20] <Darkside> well we're close
[17:20] <number10> where you in the open with yagi or was that with a magmount Darkside?
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[17:23] <Darkside> magmount
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[17:24] <G0DJA_Morseman> Glad to hear XABEN is safe
[17:25] <number10> I see daveake_ is prefering the minor roads now he has 4x4
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[17:28] <G0DJA_Morseman> CLOUD looks to be in middle of a field
[17:29] <Randomskk> excitement over: https://github.com/ukhas/habitat/pull/261
[17:29] <Randomskk> uh
[17:29] <G0DJA_Morseman> There appears to be an entry to field to the NE
[17:29] <MI0VIM_fsphil> where daveake_'s going, he doesn't need roads
[17:29] <Randomskk> http://stats.habhub.org/dashboard/ParserDetailed
[17:30] <G0DJA_Morseman> There looks to be a farmhouse to East - might be worth going and asking
[17:30] <Randomskk> managed almost 45 parses a second
[17:30] <Randomskk> anda peak of around 150 good uploads a second
[17:30] <MI0VIM_fsphil> handled it easily?
[17:32] <Randomskk> very
[17:32] <Randomskk> didn't exceed more than 40% cpu at any time and typically ~30% or less
[17:32] <Randomskk> didn't get above 100ms to parse a document or another 100ms to save it
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[17:43] <daveake_> cloud recovered
[17:43] <number10> walking a bit slow there daveake_ 1km/s
[17:43] <daveake_> lol
[17:43] <daveake_> Ploughed field
[17:44] <daveake_> See video stream for payload
[17:44] <number10> ah didnt know vid stream was on - - network not good here anyway
[17:44] <daveake_> see the flag :)
[17:44] <daveake_> The flag of winners
[17:45] <number10> anyone have the url for the video stream?
[17:45] <daveake_> http://www.batc.tv/ch_live.php?id=768
[17:46] <daveake_> steve's in shot now
[17:46] <number10> ta
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[17:47] <number10> hah see the flag
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[17:49] <number10> hello julie
[17:50] <Darkside> lol
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[17:51] <G0DJA_Morseman> Saw the flg :-)
[17:51] <G0DJA_Morseman> Next Millinut?
[17:51] <G0DJA_Morseman> flag - even
[17:51] <number10> daveake_ has even got time to polish the bonet
[17:51] <daveake_> lol
[17:52] <daveake_> that was powder from the latex
[17:52] <daveake_> ok, off to get downunderhab
[18:08] <G0DJA_Morseman> Taking a while to get Millinut?
[18:08] <daveake_> Yeah, Oz getting confused with green stuff
[18:08] <daveake_> webcam aimed at him now
[18:09] <G0DJA_Morseman> They're back
[18:09] <daveake_> check the video link#
[18:09] <G0DJA_Morseman> What's the webcam?
[18:09] <daveake_> recovered
[18:09] <daveake_> http://www.batc.tv/ch_live.php?id=768
[18:10] <G0DJA_Morseman> Yes, I'm watching - wondering about the kit used :-)
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[18:10] <daveake_> logitech c920
[18:11] <number10> lost in the outback
[18:11] <G0DJA_Morseman> Nice bit of kit!
[18:12] <G0DJA_Morseman> 3G connection via a laptop/notebook I guess?
[18:13] <Randomskk> you guys are gonna be home too late to catch dr who :/
[18:13] <Randomskk> better find that thing quick :P
[18:13] <Randomskk> oh, you have, huh
[18:13] <Randomskk> excellent
[18:13] <G0DJA_Morseman> Been wondering about something similar after getting suckered by a car suddenly stopping and now claiming written off car and whiplash for a very very minor knock
[18:13] <Randomskk> G0DJA_Morseman: halfords have a thing for cars
[18:13] <Randomskk> that is tiny and they install and all
[18:13] <G0DJA_Morseman> Even insurance CO suspicious
[18:13] <Randomskk> and records rolling
[18:14] <Randomskk> and I hear you can get lower insurance premiums if you have one fitted
[18:14] <G0DJA_Morseman> It's a company car :-)
[18:14] <daveake_> payload on video stream now
[18:14] <Randomskk> might be more awkward to get something fitted then :P also probably care less
[18:14] <number10> well done Darkside... 2nd place recovery
[18:14] <Randomskk> still
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[18:15] <daveake_> Well, what a nice HAB day. 3 easy recoveries all within a few miles. Nice sunset. Hopefully nice photos from my payload.
[18:16] <mclane> parachute in bavarian colors!!
[18:16] <Randomskk> has mondo recovered?
[18:18] <G0DJA_Morseman> Missed the payload - was piutting tea out
[18:19] <G0DJA_Morseman> After the scammer who is trying it on (luckily got photos of both vehicles) my Co might think it's a good idea
[18:20] <G0DJA_Morseman> However, on 2nd thoughts, they'd see where I was all of the time!
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[18:22] <G0DJA_Morseman> Then again, it's amazing where 3G *doesn't* get to, isn't it ;-)
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[18:34] Nick change: M0UPU_Upu -> Upu
[18:35] <number10> look forward to seeing the photos daveake_
[18:35] Nick change: MI0VIM_fsphil -> fsphil
[18:36] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/R1vLu.jpg
[18:36] <Upu> oh wow
[18:37] <Upu> these are going to be good
[18:37] <cuddykid> nice!!
[18:37] <Upu> back later on
[18:37] <cuddykid> what camera is that?
[18:38] <Upu> A480
[18:38] <Upu> bbl
[18:39] <Laurenceb_> what range did millinut get?
[18:40] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/sZaX9.jpg
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[18:42] <mclane> impressive!
[18:42] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[18:42] <Lunar_Lander> hello mclane
[18:42] <mclane> hello lunar
[18:43] <fsphil> well that's a unique photo
[18:44] <fsphil> millinut appears to have an umbrela
[18:46] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[18:47] <Lunar_Lander> it's awesome how parallel they flew
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[18:49] <fsphil> 1000 points if millinut imaged clouds burst :)
[18:50] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[18:50] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil, did you read my earlier note about the 1950's?
[18:50] <fsphil> nope
[18:51] <costyn> evening all
[18:51] <costyn> all balloons been recovered?
[18:51] <costyn> err. payloads?
[18:51] <fsphil> three at least, I've not heard about mondo
[18:51] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil,
[18:51] <Lunar_Lander> daveake_, I remember one of the University of Minnesota plastic balloon flights where two balloons were launched simultaneously and were flying in tandem until one balloon overtook the other and photographed it with its automatic camera
[18:52] <costyn> Darkside: wow cool pic of the other balloon
[18:52] <mclane> is radim from sts1 around?
[18:53] <costyn> fsphil: ok, well last tracked point was at 39m by receiver mondo, so I have to assume he has gotten close :)
[18:54] <costyn> Darkside: did the uplink work well?
[18:56] <Darkside> yeah, it worked pretty well
[18:56] <Darkside> upu pinged it a lot
[18:56] <Darkside> but you do need a decent amount of power in the uplink
[18:56] <Darkside> i don't think uplinking using another RFM22B board is going to be reliable
[18:57] <Darkside> the noise floor on thi slaunch was -80dBm
[18:57] <Darkside> which was pretty bad
[18:57] <Darkside> in aus we get -105dBm
[18:57] <costyn> ok, so you need a fixed ground station with a strong signal on a yagi or so?
[18:57] <costyn> Darkside: what makes the difference? qrm from local sources? just more crowded in UK than AU?
[18:58] <fsphil> I didn't have the power captain'
[18:58] <Darkside> i think so
[18:58] <Darkside> costyn: 5w from the car worked fine
[18:58] <Darkside> when we weren't in the null anyway
[18:58] <costyn> what power was Upu using and what distance?
[18:59] <Laurenceb_> interesting
[18:59] <Lunar_Lander> wb Darkside did you try the cutdown?
[18:59] <Darkside> no
[18:59] <Lunar_Lander> costyn, fsphil http://s.gullipics.com/image/g/h/4/5ztqsz-jdi4jq-zwy7/Bildschirmfotovom20120908205749.png
[18:59] <Darkside> the balloon burst :P
[18:59] <Laurenceb_> do you have a plot of noise floor vrs altitude?
[18:59] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: i'm going to get that
[18:59] <Lunar_Lander> Darkside, how was noise measured and in what unit?
[19:00] <Laurenceb_> will be _very_ exciting
[19:00] <Darkside> dBm
[19:00] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:00] <Darkside> i didn't see it go up by any huge amount
[19:00] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: hard to read
[19:01] <Lunar_Lander> yeah it says how balloon 107 overtook 108 and then photographed it
[19:01] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: its possible the boost converter in the payload was affecting it
[19:01] <Laurenceb_> yeah
[19:01] <Laurenceb_> if it didnt go up with altitude
[19:02] <fsphil> should be simple enough to tes tthat
[19:02] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/sZaX9.jpg Lunar_Lander
[19:02] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil, did you see the image?
[19:02] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[19:02] <fsphil> I did
[19:02] <costyn> Darkside: were there more pics like that
[19:02] <costyn> ?
[19:03] <Darkside> costyn: a few
[19:03] <Darkside> not many
[19:03] <fsphil> they did separate vertically after a while
[19:03] <costyn> guess the chance of it pointing correctly and then taking a pciture are pretty slim :)
[19:06] <Lunar_Lander> http://scienceblogs.de/astrodicticum-simplex/2012/09/08/curiosity-macht-ein-selbstportrat/
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[19:12] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] Launch this Saturday 8th - Bello Mondo-11"
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[19:37] <Gadget-Mac> Darkside: great pics
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[19:42] <navrac_work> darkside: I used 458MHz ( From memory) which is a legal freq over here and got much better noise floor measurements - got 40km with 100mW- 434.* was just too noisy
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[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> Darkside, and to verify
[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> you establish an uplink and play that sound from Audacity and the balloon cuts down
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[20:00] <Laurenceb_> navrac_work: interesting
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[20:00] <Lunar_Lander> hi daveake_
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[20:01] <daveake_> Got some *fantastic* pix of Darkside's balloon during the ascent
[20:01] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:02] <daveake_> Only on a 2G signal right now; will upload later
[20:02] <Lunar_Lander> daveake_ like the thing in the 1950's I talked about earlier
[20:02] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[20:16] <daveake_> He Steve
[20:16] <daveake_> We're educating Darkside in the ways of high cuisine as practised in England
[20:16] <RocketBoy> hey dave u home?
[20:16] <daveake_> Otherwise known as the Little chef
[20:17] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
[20:17] <daveake_> Far from it!
[20:17] <Lunar_Lander> hi RocketBoy
[20:17] <daveake_> Got some *great* photos of the Aussie payload from the winning payload
[20:17] <RocketBoy> ah - he should also try fish & chips
[20:17] <daveake_> And overall comfortably the best set of photos I've had
[20:17] <daveake_> lol
[20:17] <daveake_> Exactly what he had :D
[20:18] <daveake_> right off home
[20:18] <RocketBoy> I don't think you could re-create that race
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[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> RocketBoy, there was a similar one back in the 1950's in the University of Minnesota balloon program
[20:20] <RocketBoy> :)
[20:20] <Lunar_Lander> http://s.gullipics.com/image/g/h/4/5ztqsz-jdi4jq-zwy7/Bildschirmfotovom20120908205749.png
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[20:21] <MrCraig> hi all
[20:24] <fsphil> evening MrCraig
[20:24] <MrCraig> evening :) (afternoon here)
[20:24] <MrCraig> *poke* mattltm
[20:24] <fsphil> ah yes, forgot you where over yonder
[20:25] <MrCraig> yeah - I'm back in the UK next week but only for a week
[20:25] <MrCraig> I'm gonna pick up my 70cm on the way through
[20:26] <MrCraig> I'm gonna fly the old artemis hardware again before switching to aprs, just because I need to get suitable components
[20:27] <Darkside> i have noi dew where the hell i am
[20:29] <MrCraig> no dew Darkside?
[20:29] <Darkside> lol
[20:30] <MrCraig> is Mountain Dew still outlawed in the UK? I know they banned it once, but that was before RedBull made caffine and sugar acceptable in lethal doses
[20:30] <Lunar_Lander> MrCraig, Red Bull Cola was banned for a while in germany because cocaine was detected
[20:31] <fsphil> lol
[20:31] <MrCraig> lol
[20:31] <MrCraig> I miss ubuntu cola - I've only ever been able to get it in one store in a trendy part of london.
[20:31] <Darkside> MrCraig: i mean i have no idea where i am
[20:31] <Darkside> lol
[20:31] <Darkside> its at the union store at bah uni
[20:32] <Darkside> i must try it sometime
[20:32] <fsphil> You are not here Darkside
[20:32] <MrCraig> it's less sugary than coka-c but a nice subtle mild taste. I liked it.
[20:33] <fsphil> need, the yaesu and icom data port is exactly the same
[20:33] <fsphil> I guess that's a standard type of interface between radio brands?
[20:34] <Randomskk> they're actually the same? not just like, the same connector but with + and - swapped around?
[20:34] <fsphil> comparing two images of each now (annoyingly not the same orinetation)
[20:35] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: effectively no correlation between altitude and radio noise level
[20:35] <Darkside> fsphil: i've used my adaptor on both yaesu and icom radios
[20:35] <Randomskk> interesting
[20:35] <Laurenceb_> hmm sounds suspicious
[20:35] <Laurenceb_> ie like local interference
[20:36] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: sounds like my payload is producing internal noise
[20:36] <Randomskk> idk, if you launch in a field in the middle of nowhere
[20:36] <Darkside> yeah
[20:36] <Randomskk> mm
[20:36] <Darkside> i bet its my switchmode boost converter doing it
[20:36] <Darkside> simple test
[20:36] <Darkside> try it with a linear reg
[20:36] <Randomskk> turn it off, see if the noise goes down ;)
[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> Darkside, in the Horus 25 video, the red car is it a Opel?
[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> or Vauxhall
[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> or how it is called in Australia
[20:37] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: erm
[20:37] <Darkside> Holden
[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> Holden?
[20:40] <Darkside> Holden.
[20:40] <Darkside> australian car company
[20:40] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:40] <Darkside> buys vauxhall designs
[20:40] <Lunar_Lander> ah that is why it looks like a Opel
[20:40] <Darkside> yep
[20:41] <Laurenceb_> *buys GM designs
[20:42] <Laurenceb_> also vauxhall use Isuzu engines in a lot of stuff now
[20:42] <Darkside> yes
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[20:42] <Laurenceb_> and they suck big time
[20:42] <fsphil> nice, that does indeed work Darkside
[20:42] <Darkside> fsphil: what does?
[20:42] <Darkside> oh
[20:42] <Darkside> cool
[20:42] <fsphil> the yaesu cable in the icom
[20:42] <Darkside> i dont have enough BW to play HF atm
[20:42] <Darkside> i'm in daves car
[20:42] <fsphil> the guys here want to see psk31 going
[20:43] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[20:43] <Laurenceb_> kitten HFing?
[20:44] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/tpoOC.jpg
[20:44] <Laurenceb_> niceee
[20:44] <Darkside> i think thats the highest we saw it
[20:44] <Darkside> after that they were too far apart
[20:45] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[20:45] <Darkside> thats at about 12km alt
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[20:45] <Lunar_Lander> Darkside, so below 45000 ft?
[20:46] <Darkside> wait
[20:46] <Darkside> i found a few more
[20:46] <Darkside> at 14km
[20:46] <Darkside> 45000ft :P
[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> Darkside, one of the University of Minnesota plastic balloon flights where two balloons were launched simultaneously and were flying in tandem until one balloon overtook the other and photographed it with its automatic camera and that was at 45000 ft
[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> thus my question
[20:47] <Darkside> yeah we got higher than that
[20:47] <Darkside> just working out how high now
[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> COOL
[20:49] <Darkside> 15700m
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> awesome
[20:50] <Upu> evening
[20:50] <Darkside> eening Upu
[20:50] <Upu> 2.5W costyn and 5w
[20:50] <Lunar_Lander> hi Upu
[20:50] <Upu> you back home ?
[20:50] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/C7Mzh.jpg
[20:50] <Darkside> check that out
[20:50] <Upu> I've just been clicking
[20:50] <Darkside> 16.4km alt
[20:50] <Upu> amazing
[20:50] <fsphil> now that has to be a first
[20:51] <Upu> btw Mondo was using an Indian balloon
[20:51] <BrainDamage> as I was suggesting to another channel, you know there's a possibility, start mounting automated sentry guns and burst any competiting balloon that threatens your record
[20:51] <Darkside> i have pictures of his launch Upu
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, from the Tata Research institute?
[20:51] <Darkside> jeez
[20:52] <Darkside> i found another one at 18km
[20:52] <Upu> I have no idea Lunar_Lander
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[20:52] <Upu> linky Darkside :)
[20:52] <Darkside> getting there
[20:52] <Darkside> doesnt look much different
[20:52] <Upu> so I guess you're at home now ?
[20:52] <Darkside> no
[20:52] <Darkside> im in daves car
[20:52] <Darkside> we're lassing cambridge area i think
[20:53] <Upu> lassing ?
[20:53] <Darkside> passing
[20:53] <Upu> ah long day
[20:53] <fsphil> phew
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[20:53] <Darkside> yeah
[20:53] <Darkside> very
[20:53] <Darkside> ill be catching the last train most likely
[20:53] <Upu> oh fight club
[20:53] <Upu> cool
[20:53] <Lunar_Lander> XD isn't fight club where they smash that VW?
[20:54] <DrLuke> you broke the first rule upu
[20:54] <fsphil> sssh, you're not suppose to talk about it
[20:54] <Upu> heh
[20:54] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
[20:55] <Upu> can't wait to see all the pics
[20:55] <fsphil> I'll have to get more power for the next time
[20:55] <Upu> but amazing how close those two payloads were
[20:55] <Upu> it was 50:50 with 5W
[20:55] <Upu> about 20% with 2.5w
[20:55] <fsphil> yea, the extra distance here just killed it
[20:55] <Upu> and I did get a relay using 1w but only once
[20:55] <Randomskk> tempted to try next time. 35W on a yagi might work...
[20:55] <Upu> any my observations on the day are as follows
[20:55] <fsphil> I can produce 20 watts with the 857
[20:55] <Upu> 300 baud kills it for SDR users
[20:56] <Upu> even with a decent antenna the SDR's struggle with the 300 baud
[20:56] <Upu> no chance with colinear + SDR @ 300 baud
[20:56] <Randomskk> weird.
[20:56] <Randomskk> both SDRs or just the tv ones?
[20:56] <fsphil> I've done 300 baud with the fcd
[20:56] <Upu> both FCD and EZCAP
[20:56] <Randomskk> interesting
[20:56] <Upu> I'm not saying you can't do it
[20:56] <fsphil> I wonder how much of that was the software
[20:57] <Randomskk> same.
[20:57] <Randomskk> writing a better rtty demodulator is lower on my list than some habitat stuff though
[20:57] <Randomskk> sadly
[20:57] <fsphil> I did start one but then it got scary
[20:57] <Upu> EZCAP is actually pretty good
[20:58] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/QU5xC.jpg
[20:58] <Randomskk> fsphil: yea, doing better than fldigi isn't easy I don't think
[20:58] <Darkside> 20.3km alt
[20:58] <fsphil> hoping to get back to it though
[20:58] <Darkside> this is when the payoads start drifting apart
[20:58] <Upu> should have tied them together :)
[20:58] <Upu> with a 50 meter cord :)
[20:58] <Darkside> :P
[20:58] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/j1rF7.jpg
[20:58] <Upu> Cloud/Xaben and Millinut
[20:58] <Upu> left to right
[20:58] <Randomskk> haha
[20:58] <Randomskk> nice
[20:58] <Darkside> hehe
[20:59] <Darkside> nice
[20:59] <Randomskk> need better software
[20:59] <Randomskk> decode all three at once
[20:59] <fsphil> very much
[20:59] <DrLuke> that reminds me: TI released a new MCU, it's 32-bit and has 80 MHz
[20:59] <DrLuke> it would be enough for a simple SDR
[21:00] <DrLuke> the catch ist that it's incredibly el cheapo
[21:00] <Upu> and Darkside epic streaming : http://i.imgur.com/VTzOs.jpg
[21:00] <DrLuke> so just imagine a SDR that you could hook up to your phone via bluetooth, and then use the phone to upload the strings to habitat or wherever you want
[21:01] <Darkside> nice
[21:01] <Upu> was great fun though and the RX worked really well
[21:01] <Upu> tell Dave good effort
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[21:03] <Laurenceb_> DrLuke: link?
[21:04] <DrLuke> laurenceb_: http://www.ti.com/ww/en/launchpad_site/stellaris.html?DCMP=stellaris-launchpad&HQS=stellaris-launchpad-b
[21:04] <DrLuke> the eval board is as good as free
[21:05] <Laurenceb_> oh the stellaris
[21:05] <Laurenceb_> i thought you means 80msps adc for a second
[21:06] <Laurenceb_> that _would_ be impressive
[21:06] <Darkside> ohman
[21:06] <Darkside> i just found another pic
[21:07] <Upu> linky :)
[21:07] <Upu> found any planes yet ?
[21:07] <Darkside> 34km
[21:07] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/Y3Sx8.jpg
[21:07] <DrLuke> 80 msps? holy crap
[21:07] <Upu> look at that balloon
[21:07] <Upu> wow
[21:07] <DrLuke> nice!
[21:07] <Darkside> thats the money shot
[21:07] <Darkside> until i find another one higher
[21:07] <Darkside> :P
[21:08] <DrLuke> :)
[21:08] <Upu> one pic every 5 secs ?
[21:08] <Upu> lol
[21:08] <Darkside> yes
[21:08] <DrLuke> it's incredible they stay together that nicely
[21:08] <Upu> 4000 ?
[21:08] <Upu> was recovery easy btw ?
[21:08] <Darkside> very
[21:08] <Darkside> well
[21:08] <Darkside> mine was harder
[21:08] <Upu> it looked easy
[21:08] <Darkside> i had to crorss a ditch
[21:08] <Upu> oh well
[21:08] <Darkside> and walk through a field of brocooli
[21:08] <Upu> lol
[21:09] <Upu> I had to go out unfortunately so missed the last lot
[21:09] <Upu> did STS get recovered?
[21:10] <Lunar_Lander> Broccoli!
[21:10] <Lunar_Lander> uz uz uz uz
[21:10] <Lunar_Lander> Broccoli!
[21:10] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:10] <Lunar_Lander> REMIX
[21:11] <MrScienceMan> broccoli, the way to success
[21:12] <Laurenceb_> im cooking some atm
[21:12] <Lunar_Lander> COOL
[21:13] <MrScienceMan> meth.
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[21:20] <Darkside> hey WB8ELK
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> hello WB8ELK
[21:20] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/Y3Sx8.jpg <-- My day
[21:23] <Darkside> they were 1.25km apart at that point
[21:24] <WB8ELK> hi all
[21:25] <Lunar_Lander> WB8ELK, we had an awesome flight fleet today
[21:27] <jcoxon> hey WB8ELK
[21:27] <Upu> evening WB8ELK
[21:30] <WB8ELK> flight fleet?
[21:30] <Lunar_Lander> yes, four balloons in the UK and one in slovakia
[21:31] <WB8ELK> Nice
[21:31] <WB8ELK> nice photo showing the other balloon...what altitude was that Darkside?
[21:31] <Upu> they stuck together all the way up
[21:32] <Upu> 34km I think WB8ELK
[21:32] <WB8ELK> haven't heard whether Joe in Wisconsin is going to launch tonight as yet
[21:33] <Darkside> WB8ELK: 34.848km
[21:33] <jcoxon> WB8ELK, there is a new version of dl-fldigi
[21:33] <jcoxon> recommend upgrading
[21:33] <WB8ELK> Hi James....where can I download it?
[21:34] <Randomskk> WB8ELK: http://habhub.org/files/dl-fldigi/ for OS X and windows
[21:34] <Randomskk> (get the .zip for OS X version 10.6 and up)
[21:34] <jcoxon> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/ukhas/0ftgJPGjJP8
[21:34] <jcoxon> thanks Randomskk
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[21:37] <WB8ELK> Hi James....sounds good...I'll download it
[21:38] <jcoxon> hopefully joe is able to launch
[21:38] <WB8ELK> Is there a way to change telemetry profiles on the server as yet?
[21:38] <Randomskk> yes
[21:38] <Randomskk> http://habitat.habhub.org/genpayload/
[21:38] <WB8ELK> Darkside....what camera were you using for that shot of the other balloon?
[21:39] <Darkside> Canon A490
[21:39] <Darkside> digicam
[21:39] <WB8ELK> Beautiful photo
[21:40] <WB8ELK> great to hear that we can generate payload configs now.
[21:40] <Darkside> even though it was taken with a potato :P
[21:40] <jcoxon> potatoe?
[21:40] <WB8ELK> potato?
[21:40] <Darkside> its a joke
[21:40] <Darkside> means a crap camera
[21:40] <jcoxon> oh right
[21:40] <Darkside> the amount of noise on the image is pretty bad
[21:40] <Randomskk> do you mean lemon?
[21:41] <Randomskk> I guess you aussies are too poor for exotic fruits like lemons :P
[21:41] <WB8ELK> ah...I like the use of potato in that context however....I'll use that instead of lemon
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[21:41] <jcoxon> which way do we think that is pointing?
[21:41] <Darkside> WB8ELK: http://i.imgur.com/sZaX9.jpg
[21:41] <Darkside> also this shot
[21:41] <jcoxon> north?
[21:42] <Darkside> could work it out from the coastline
[21:42] <jcoxon> it looks like north to me
[21:42] <WB8ELK> what part of the coastline?...another fine shot by the way
[21:43] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSK3maq8Cyk&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[21:43] <jcoxon> yeah its north
[21:43] <jcoxon> so its the north norfolk coast
[21:43] <SpeedEvil> this is much more amusing than it should be
[21:43] <Darkside> yeah
[21:44] <Darkside> i canmake out some of the coastline from google maps
[21:44] <jcoxon> extending from burham ovary staith to Eccles on Sea
[21:44] <jcoxon> with cromer in the middle
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[21:45] <jcoxon> right time for sleep
[21:45] <jcoxon> if joe launches today i'll listen out tomorrow
[21:45] <jcoxon> night
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[21:46] <Upu> that picture is looking South East
[21:46] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/sZaX9.jpg
[21:46] <Upu> south west even
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[21:47] <Upu> http://goo.gl/maps/murXb
[21:47] <WB8ELK> that Tactical Velcro video was a good tip to know
[21:51] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/wozom.jpg
[21:51] <Upu> launch site is bottom middle
[21:51] <WB8ELK> which flight name was the one that took that shot ofthe other balloon?
[21:51] <Upu> CLOUD took pics of MILLINUT
[21:52] <WB8ELK> which balloon was Millinut using?
[21:52] <Darkside> hwoyee 1600g
[21:53] <Darkside> 1.2kg neck lift ish
[21:53] <Darkside> we think it was actially a bit underfilled
[21:53] <Upu> one was He, one was H2
[21:53] <Darkside> yeah, MILLINUT was He, CLOUD was H2
[21:53] <WB8ELK> must not of been inflated very much...interesting to see it non-spherical during flight
[21:53] <Darkside> only just after launch
[21:54] <Darkside> lemme get some of the launch pics uploaded..
[21:54] <Upu> they are always like that especially with our payloads
[21:54] <Upu> < 200g
[21:54] <Upu> that photo payload was 185g
[21:54] <Upu> what did Millinut weight Darkside ?
[21:55] <WB8ELK> did either one of them float?
[21:55] <Upu> no
[21:55] <Upu> 1600g as long as you get > 5m/s you should be ok
[21:55] <Upu> 4.5m/s is danger zone for 1600g's
[21:55] <Upu> however Millinut did have a remote controllable cut down on it
[21:55] <Upu> Cloud didn't
[21:56] <Upu> I'm interested they burst within ~100meters of each other
[21:57] <Darkside> Upu: 150g
[21:57] <Upu> XABEN only got a little higher
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[21:57] <Upu> sunny days = bad ?
[21:57] <WB8ELK> yep...I had 1.86 kg nozzle lift on a 1600 with under 4 m/s and got that 22 hour flight out of it...with a 1.135 kg payload
[21:57] <Darkside> Upu: heh
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[21:57] <Upu> well we launched in the rain last time and got 43km :)
[21:57] <Darkside> Upu: if thats so, then we aussies have noi chance
[21:58] <Upu> you have no chance anyway Darkside we have Davake, Mick and Steve
[21:58] <Darkside> yeah, we need to up out game
[21:58] <Upu> WB8ELK which is good when you intend it
[21:58] <Darkside> our game*
[21:58] <Darkside> need to lauch more!
[21:58] <Upu> bad when you don't and live on an island
[21:58] <Upu> well baptism by fire this last two weeks Darkside :)
[21:58] <WB8ELK> yep...was hoping I'd make it to California...but made it half way....was fun to send it to the West for a change
[21:59] <Darkside> Upu: we've done lots of launches within a week before
[21:59] <Upu> send one over here
[21:59] <Darkside> but ugh
[21:59] <Darkside> so tiring
[21:59] <Upu> I know
[21:59] <Upu> they kill me
[21:59] <Darkside> im uploading a bunch of pics atm
[21:59] <Upu> especially the stress when you think you're going to land on Gatwick
[21:59] <Darkside> as long as the net keeps up
[21:59] <Upu> that one was particularly stressful
[21:59] <WB8ELK> what was the weight of the payload that made it to 43 km?...1600 gram Hwoyee?
[22:00] <WB8ELK> and what ascent rate on that one?
[22:00] <Upu> mine was a 65g and 5.5m/s
[22:00] <Upu> top 7 are all similar I think
[22:00] <Upu> sub 60g payloads under 1600g Hwoyees with H2
[22:00] <Upu> 5-5.5m/s ascent
[22:00] <Upu> 850g neck lift
[22:01] <Upu> Mondo 10 did 145600 feet under a Hwoyee 1600g Bill
[22:02] <WB8ELK> do you have any details on your 60 gram payloads?
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[22:02] <Upu> yeah
[22:02] <Upu> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/63720513/Images/PCB%20Pictures/IMG_0866.JPG
[22:02] <WB8ELK> thanks
[22:02] <Upu> AVR + RFM22B +MAX6 and Chip antenna
[22:03] <Upu> with a boost
[22:03] <Upu> all in 5g
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[22:03] <Upu> can run for 6 hours from an AAA cell
[22:03] <Upu> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/63720513/Images/PCB%20Pictures/IMG_0517_resize.JPG
[22:03] <WB8ELK> nice...looks like a RFM22?....which U-blox GPS is that one?
[22:03] <Upu> the MAX6
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[22:04] <Darkside> http://pipe2.darklomax.org/pics/2012-09-08_UK_Launchathon/
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[22:04] <WB8ELK> what antenna did you use on the Max 6?
[22:04] <Upu> look good DanielRichman :)
[22:04] <Upu> dammit
[22:04] <Upu> Darkside
[22:04] <Darkside> :P
[22:04] <Upu> sorry DanielRichman :/
[22:05] <Upu> Chipscale antenna
[22:05] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_65&product_id=55
[22:05] <Upu> they sell them on Sparkfun
[22:05] <Upu> as well
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[22:05] <Upu> WB8ELK I sell the MAX6 on my shop : http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_64&product_id=50
[22:06] <Upu> sorry for the blatant plug :)
[22:06] <WB8ELK> Great...been wanting to try flying a UBlox here....latest flight used the Copernicus II with a Sarantel helical antenna
[22:06] <Upu> I redid that PCB as it was just a test I have a new one coming from China
[22:07] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_60&product_id=51 <-
[22:07] <mattbrejza> without metal in the holes around the antenna? (if i remember correctly)
[22:07] <Upu> if you use the coupon UKHAS you get 10% off the price at the checkout
[22:08] <Upu> yes mattbrejza
[22:08] <Upu> though it doesn't see to make much difference
[22:08] <Upu> CLOUD used one of those boards today
[22:08] <mattbrejza> not that it would be hard to remove
[22:08] <Upu> it isn't
[22:08] <Upu> Darkside scraped it out I think
[22:08] <Darkside> i did
[22:08] <Darkside> it didn't make much difference
[22:08] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/DsvQ6.jpg
[22:09] <mattbrejza> well unless you properly measured it you wouldnt know
[22:09] <Darkside> payload recovery, in a field of broccoli
[22:09] <Darkside> i think
[22:09] <Upu> the ublox 6 chips are very good at keeping lock
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[22:09] <Upu> bit ropey on power saving modes we are still working on that one
[22:09] <Upu> but with no power saving 4.5hours from an AAA
[22:10] <Upu> so thats 15g all in for a payload with a 1/4 wave on it
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[22:10] <mattbrejza> well apart from the loss of settings issue it seems to work, still a bit odd to actually use
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[22:10] <mattbrejza> doesnt give you its latest lock when polled in the sleep part of the cycle :/
[22:10] <Upu> well using cyclic mode it ups the life to 6.5hours from an AAA
[22:10] <Upu> with no discernable loss of performancre
[22:10] <Upu> apart from when it breaks
[22:11] <Upu> :/
[22:11] <mattbrejza> how offen did you have it waking up?
[22:11] <mattbrejza> 10s?
[22:11] <Upu> default was 1s and thats what we had
[22:11] <mattbrejza> oh
[22:11] <mattbrejza> i put it to 10s
[22:11] <Upu> though in theory 10s would be fine if you're TXing 50 baud RTTY
[22:11] <mattbrejza> havnt done a battery life test
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[22:12] <Upu> when I sort the issues out with it not coming back if it looses lock
[22:12] <Upu> I'll put it to 10sec
[22:12] <Upu> I have some 1.8v modules to test
[22:12] <Upu> as well
[22:12] <WB8ELK> what are you using for a microcontroller on the board?
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> btw where was the balloon from India bought?
[22:12] <Darkside> atmega328
[22:13] <mattbrejza> maybe now im not working i can finsih mine off :P
[22:13] <mattbrejza> MSP430
[22:13] <Upu> What Darkside said for my board
[22:13] <Darkside> WB8ELK: you use that programmably locig controler dont' you
[22:13] <Darkside> well
[22:13] <Darkside> almost a CPLD
[22:13] <Upu> Bill do you want me to post you out out ?
[22:13] <Upu> one
[22:13] <WB8ELK> been using the Cypress PSoC
[22:13] <Upu> its just an Arduino
[22:14] <Darkside> WB8ELK: yeah, though tso
[22:14] <WB8ELK> PSoC 1
[22:15] <WB8ELK> upu...would love to fly one
[22:15] <Upu> mail me your address I'll sort something out in a week or so
[22:15] <WB8ELK> the email on your website the best way?
[22:16] <Upu> I PM'd you my mail address
[22:16] <Darkside> WB8ELK: which model chip do oyu use
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[22:16] <WB8ELK> got it
[22:16] <Upu> you'll need an ICSP programmer to program it up
[22:16] <Upu> or I can leave my code on there but you use that at your own risk as I suck at programming :)
[22:16] <WB8ELK> I also use the Atmel Mega line so I have a programmer
[22:17] <Darkside> WB8ELK: what special features of the PSoc do you use?
[22:17] <Upu> oh ok perfect
[22:17] <Darkside> i read it has some analog stuff
[22:17] <Upu> I'll sort something out for you
[22:17] <WB8ELK> I use the DAC and audio filters
[22:17] <mattbrejza> whats the advantage over the PSoC to a standard micro with the same periphrals?
[22:17] <Darkside> ahh, to generate stuff
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[22:17] <WB8ELK> the advantage is the analog modules inside it
[22:17] <Darkside> mattbrejza: hardware audio filters
[22:17] <Darkside> that is nice
[22:17] <Darkside> means more can go into one chip
[22:18] <mattbrejza> oh so you can fpga style configure the audio path?
[22:18] <WB8ELK> but it's a bit of a pain to learn the setup at first...bit of a learning curve
[22:18] <Darkside> mm
[22:18] <Darkside> windows only tools?
[22:18] <WB8ELK> there's a schematic side that configures where signals are routed
[22:18] <WB8ELK> then you program it in C
[22:19] <WB8ELK> not sure if they have a MAC IDE
[22:19] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Aerospace "Re: [UKHAS] Launch this Saturday 8th - XABEN 34"
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[22:20] <WB8ELK> The newer PSoC 3 has more flexibility and capability
[22:20] <WB8ELK> but is a rather large chip and harder to soldeer
[22:20] <mattbrejza> it would seem the main advtange is the analogue fpga stuff, digitally they dont seem to be any more then any other micro
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[22:21] <WB8ELK> Matt...that's exactly right
[22:21] <Darkside> WB8ELK: so i guess you use it for the AFSK generation and stuff?
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[22:21] <WB8ELK> I generate the sine waves from a PWM signal that is then run through the hardware audio filter onboard
[22:22] <WB8ELK> Also use the DAC to control the VCXO to generate the RTTY and MFSK tones directly
[22:22] <mattbrejza> for just an analogue filter i would probably just use a RC filter
[22:22] <mattbrejza> it fact i do
[22:23] <WB8ELK> yep...but this is a very powerful filter and can do a lot of neat things
[22:23] <WB8ELK> and it's built in
[22:23] <mattbrejza> i suppose its easier for me to do that then learn a new micro
[22:23] <Darkside> ahh ok
[22:23] <Darkside> i saw something about your design, it looks good, and is agile, right? [B[B[B[B[B
[22:23] <Darkside> ack
[22:23] <Darkside> crap net connection
[22:24] <Lunar_Lander> Darkside, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZYGxHVyCwI&feature=related
[22:24] <Darkside> WB8ELK: i seem to recall you using a similar design for HF and VHF?
[22:24] <WB8ELK> right ... its frequency agile....the synthesizer puts out about 25 milliwatts by itself
[22:24] <eroomde> i am on the bus that everyone who has been at the last night of the proms has tried to get
[22:24] <eroomde> it's unpleasant
[22:24] <Randomskk> haha
[22:24] <Darkside> WB8ELK: does it have PSK capability?
[22:24] <Randomskk> I can only imagine.
[22:24] <Lunar_Lander> eroomde, how do you mean?
[22:24] <Darkside> eroomde: ugh, i hope the train isnt like that
[22:24] <Randomskk> were you at the proms?
[22:24] <eroomde> not an exaggeration to say hundreds of people at marble arch trying to get on
[22:25] <WB8ELK> I've actually flown that with just the synthesizer output through an output filter directly to the antenna on VHF (144.34 MHz) with good signal strength
[22:25] <eroomde> Randomskk: nope, this eve i had a drink with jcoxon on the south bank then went for dinner with a swedish friend
[22:25] <mattbrejza> those synthesisers are arkward to get hold of from experience
[22:25] <Lunar_Lander> eroomde, how do you mean?
[22:25] <Randomskk> sounds nice
[22:25] <eroomde> Lunar_Lander: with conviction
[22:26] <Darkside> WB8ELK: i'm currently working on using a analog devices DDS to do phase-shaped PSK
[22:26] <Darkside> where each phase transition is stepped from 0 to 180 degrees through an optimised curve
[22:26] <eroomde> ??help Lunar_Lander
[22:26] <WB8ELK> I have tried doing PSK31 with my setup but it's really not set up for that mode...also the inherit temperature drift makes it more difficult to track the signal
[22:26] <Darkside> should allow me to produce reasonably clean PSK, with a constant amplitude
[22:26] <eroomde> nothing works
[22:27] <Darkside> if you use pulse shaping for PSK, oyou need a linear amp
[22:27] <Darkside> with constant amplitude, i should be able to get away with a class C amp
[22:27] <WB8ELK> I have it running a crude PSK31 without the cosine filtering....it works but found that the DominoEX mode works better than PSK31
[22:27] <Darkside> yeah
[22:27] <Darkside> i've seen that too
[22:27] <eroomde> that makes sense
[22:28] <Darkside> this is for a HF beacon, not for a balloon tho
[22:28] <WB8ELK> I generate the 18 tones for DominoEX directly via the DAC output to a VCXO that is the reference to the synthesizer
[22:28] <Darkside> its just experimental
[22:28] <eroomde> in terms of you would expect FSK to beat PSK for a given BER at a given power
[22:28] <Lunar_Lander> could NTX2 do all the modes that you use WB8ELK ?
[22:28] <WB8ELK> ah...then you won't have any problems with drift
[22:28] <DanielRichman> !learn add word DanielRichman awesome
[22:28] <Darkside> i just want to try and make a PSK beacon that doesnt need a linear am
[22:28] <Darkside> p
[22:28] <DanielRichman> ??DanielRichman
[22:28] <Lunar_Lander> CW and DominoEX and Hellschreiber and so on
[22:28] <WB8ELK> You should try getting it to run WSPR mode....now that will get out worldwide on very low power
[22:29] <Darkside> WB8ELK: yeah but i cant send data through that
[22:29] <Darkside> only a callsign and a few bits of info
[22:29] <Darkside> JT65 i can send a little bit more
[22:29] <Randomskk> pft
[22:29] <Darkside> but not much
[22:29] <Randomskk> just not waiting long enough
[22:29] <Darkside> lol Randomskk
[22:29] <Darkside> WB8ELK: also not sure i can get the frequency resolution for WSPR
[22:29] <Darkside> i'l give it a go though, its one more mode i can add to my arsenal
[22:30] <Darkside> it's work nicely as a heartbeat mode
[22:30] <WB8ELK> well...you could send crude data on WSPR by using the Power Level or Grid Square for telemetry
[22:30] <Darkside> just to inform someone that it's online
[22:30] <DanielRichman> Lunar_Lander: you can do dominoex with a ntx2 but you really need a DAC rather than resistors
[22:30] <mattbrejza> what resolution does it require?
[22:30] <eroomde> i was loking at wspr or qrss to form the basis of a landing position beacon on hf
[22:30] <Darkside> mattbrejza: well i think its something like 4hz wide
[22:30] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[22:30] <Darkside> the tone shift is very small
[22:30] <mattbrejza> well if you crystal pull you can adjust the capacitor values to adjust the full range
[22:30] <WB8ELK> DominoEX likes to have the tones spaced pretty precisely particularly with FLdigi....MultiPSK is more tolerant
[22:31] <WB8ELK> and yes a DAC is necessary to get it right on DominoEX
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[22:31] <Darkside> WB8ELK: what about timing accuracy?
[22:31] <Darkside> the tone spacing might explain my problems with fldigi
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[22:31] <WB8ELK> Timing is also critical
[22:31] <Darkside> and my DDS
[22:31] <Darkside> mm ok
[22:31] <Darkside> i had to do a lot of tweaking of tiing and frequency spacing to get it right
[22:31] <Darkside> timing*
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[22:32] <Darkside> still cant get DominoEX11 working
[22:32] <Darkside> got all the lower modes going tho
[22:32] <WB8ELK> sometimes when my payloads get very cold during night time flights when the payload temp goes down below -47 deg C the tones and timing are enough off that it gets garbled
[22:32] <eroomde> Darkside: what about it is causing you woe?
[22:32] <fsphil> Domino is very sensitive to the shift
[22:32] <Darkside> eroomde: getting the shifts precicely right, when i'm working with a DDS
[22:33] <Darkside> it requires tuning
[22:33] <eroomde> mmm. interesting
[22:33] <Darkside> also need to rewrite part of the code
[22:33] <WB8ELK> Try using MultiPSK to decode your DominoEX....it will decode signals that aren't quite spot on
[22:33] <Darkside> its blocking atm, delay based
[22:33] <Darkside> WB8ELK: will do
[22:33] <Darkside> i should be able to get the timing better by using interrupts
[22:34] <Darkside> timing should be better now i'm using hardware SPI too, not bitbanged serial
[22:34] <Darkside> bitbanged SPI i mean
[22:34] <eroomde> i think all we did when we put dominoex on badger1 was cope ad paste the relevent bit of fldigi, then re-write the hardware specific bits appropriately
[22:35] <Darkside> hrm
[22:35] <WB8ELK> I think the winds may be too high for Joe in Wisconsin to fly the Earthbreeze tonight....but Sunday evening winds look quite good
[22:35] <Darkside> i used daniels code
[22:35] <Darkside> which is based off fldigi i think
[22:35] <Darkside> it all comes down to symbols and timing
[22:35] <Darkside> generating the symbol is what is different
[22:35] <eroomde> like many moudulation scemes really :)
[22:35] <WB8ELK> frequency spacing is more critical than timing
[22:36] <Darkside> in my case i'm programming a DDS to output a carrier at a desired freq
[22:36] <WB8ELK> when using Fldigi to decode it
[22:36] <Darkside> WB8ELK: that might explain my problems then
[22:36] <Darkside> i'll have to look more carefully at my spacing
[22:36] <Darkside> probably need to do some analysis of the output, see how bad it is
[22:36] <Darkside> get it to generate each symbol in sequence, and analyze to see what the difference is between them
[22:36] <WB8ELK> Once I get the tone spacing close to what it should be....I use the frequency counter feature of WSPR by the way
[22:37] <Darkside> WB8ELK: ahh ok
[22:37] <Darkside> that might be useful
[22:37] <Darkside> ill give that a go
[22:37] <Lunar_Lander> WB8ELK, how do you set up the payload/software to work up to three modes at once?
[22:37] <WB8ELK> I then run a loop changing the timing variable a bit each loop to see what range of timing variables work
[22:38] <WB8ELK> the three modes (or more) are in sequence
[22:38] <Darkside> easy to do
[22:38] <WB8ELK> usually: Morse, ASCII RTTY, DominoEX and Hellscreiber
[22:38] <Darkside> hehe, hell
[22:38] <Darkside> i must get that working on mine
[22:38] <Darkside> though i can't do any pulse shaping
[22:38] <Upu> anyway I'm heading off, great flights today have a safe train home Darkside nn
[22:38] <Darkside> WB8ELK: can you do pulse shaping at all?
[22:38] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[22:39] <Lunar_Lander> good night Upu
[22:39] <WB8ELK> my last flight was: Morse Code altitude, DominoEX16, 110 baud ASCII RTTY followed by the lat/lon in Morse Code repeated every 2 minutes
[22:39] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[22:39] <eroomde> and pleasing elevator muzak between transmissions
[22:39] <Darkside> eroomde: i need to add a 'rickroll' function to my payload
[22:40] <Darkside> but the frequency resolution is too coarse
[22:40] <DanielRichman> and if you're mistuned slightly it's gonna sound weird
[22:40] <WB8ELK> when all else fails....my laptop battery goes out or Windoze locks up....my meat servo between the ears can decode the Morse Code position
[22:40] <eroomde> i spent a while trying to program flight of the valkyries into badger1 once
[22:40] <Darkside> DanielRichman: yeah
[22:40] <Darkside> eroomde: hahahaha
[22:40] <Darkside> niiiiiice
[22:40] <Darkside> WB8ELK: pulse shaping?
[22:40] <Darkside> or is it hard-keyed morse
[22:40] <eroomde> it was too much effort in the end tho
[22:41] <DanielRichman> Darkside: If you get it to do work well, don't forget nyancat
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[22:41] <Darkside> eroomde: what you need is somethign that parses RTTL ringtones
[22:41] <WB8ELK> just hard keyed morse but could soften it some with an RC network...but doesn't matter at 1 watt or less
[22:41] <Darkside> i did that once
[22:41] <Darkside> i think i still have something that playes RTTL tones through this DDS
[22:41] <eroomde> Darkside: indeed
[22:42] <Darkside> i was making it play the licolnshire poacher music
[22:42] <eroomde> my enthusiasm for baslloon stuffed has waneth tho
[22:42] <eroomde> sadly
[22:42] <Darkside> eroomde: yeah
[22:42] <Darkside> :(
[22:42] <Darkside> WB8ELK: ok
[22:42] <WB8ELK> I recorded a kids toy sending out all kinds of siren tones (and Star Trek tones) at the beginning of each voice message on my voice chip on a flight years ago
[22:42] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[22:42] <Darkside> nice
[22:42] <eroomde> i do want to put a 10mW rtty TX on my rocket though
[22:43] <Lunar_Lander> do you have documentation of all your flights btw WB8ELK ? what about a book version one day?
[22:43] <eroomde> in the entirely hypothetical situation that i send a rocket to 150km
[22:43] <eroomde> just for ukhas fun
[22:43] <Darkside> eroomde: we've almost concinved a guy to do 50 baud RTTY from a cubesat
[22:43] <WB8ELK> sadly...I haven't updated my website in awhile....when I have time I'll do that...I am working on a book of projects however
[22:43] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[22:43] <fsphil> Bills Book of Big Balloons
[22:43] <eroomde> B^4
[22:43] <Lunar_Lander> WB8ELK, I think I read about your first ascent in Paul Verhage's PDF
[22:44] <WB8ELK> that's a good title
[22:44] <Lunar_Lander> I think there was a passage written by you about your 1987 flight
[22:44] <Darkside> eroomde: http://i.imgur.com/Y3Sx8.jpg
[22:44] <WB8ELK> yep...25 years ago
[22:44] <Lunar_Lander> and somehow the balloon landed in a pit or so
[22:44] <Lunar_Lander> and you almost fell in
[22:44] <eroomde> i was born in 1987
[22:44] <Darkside> eroomde: we should be able to figure out the balloon diameter from tht
[22:44] <Lunar_Lander> as it was night
[22:44] <Lunar_Lander> or so
[22:44] <Darkside> 1.25km distance between payloads at that time, in a direct line
[22:44] <fsphil> I'm 7 years older than you eroomde
[22:44] <eroomde> Darkside: which balloon was that?
[22:45] <Darkside> eroomde: today, that balloon is the millinut one
[22:45] <Lunar_Lander> WB8ELK, I think you lived in the New England states back then?
[22:45] <Darkside> photographed from CLOUD
[22:45] <eroomde> nice
[22:45] <WB8ELK> That was a balloon I did from 73 Magazine in 1992...it landed in a stone quarry....at night....I was DFing it and almost fell in...I stopped right at the edge of an 80-foot cliff
[22:45] <Lunar_Lander> ohhh!
[22:45] <WB8ELK> yep...from New Hampshire
[22:45] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[22:45] <Darkside> heh
[22:45] <Darkside> mm, i DFed the payloads today
[22:45] <eroomde> fsphil: congrats!
[22:45] <Darkside> youdon't need a GPS for the last few hundred metres :P
[22:46] <fsphil> lol
[22:46] <Darkside> just a yagi and a radio
[22:46] <fsphil> it took me 7 years but I finally got there :p
[22:46] <eroomde> Darkside: have you any video of descending objects??
[22:46] <eroomde> 
[22:46] <Darkside> eroomde: no
[22:46] <WB8ELK> I noticed the ground in front of my feet looked unusually dark...so I went back for a flashlight and then saw the wall of the stone quarry had been the darkness ahead
[22:46] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:46] <Darkside> eroomde: ill sort out all the pics tomorrow
[22:46] <Darkside> we're almost at didcot
[22:46] <Darkside> and i have a train to catch
[22:47] <Laurenceb_> ive had MFSK16 working
[22:47] <eroomde> where are you now?
[22:47] <Laurenceb_> with an avr and pwm
[22:47] <Darkside> eroomde: somewhere near didcot
[22:47] <Laurenceb_> in fact it is in a draw somewhere
[22:47] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: i'd ike to see the FEC code
[22:47] <eroomde> sucks to be u
[22:47] <Laurenceb_> *drawer
[22:47] <Laurenceb_> its on the wiki
[22:47] <eroomde> why don;t you stay over in ox?
[22:47] <Darkside> eroomde: the train is goign to be packed full of proms people?
[22:48] <Laurenceb_> http://ukhas.org.uk/code:radio
[22:48] <eroomde> Darkside: i doubt it unless it has come directly from london
[22:48] <Darkside> er
[22:48] <Darkside> it has
[22:48] <Darkside> paddington
[22:48] <eroomde> hmmm
[22:48] <Darkside> thats theonly train that goes to bath
[22:48] <eroomde> might be difficult then
[22:48] <Darkside> ff
[22:48] <WB8ELK> the only drawback to MFSK16 is that you need to tune it accurately...I went with DominoEX (very similar to MFSK16) since it is more tolerant to frequency drift
[22:48] <Darkside> well this is going to suck
[22:48] <Laurenceb_> yes it needs more careful tuning
[22:48] <eroomde> when you get on the train shout 'henry wood was a fraud!' in a strong austrialian accent
[22:49] <eroomde> that will make someone give up their seat to you
[22:49] <Darkside> lol
[22:49] <Darkside> wat
[22:50] <eroomde> a little bit of amusement for me
[22:50] <eroomde> but dnt worry about it
[22:50] <eroomde> or actually do it
[22:50] <eroomde> we need you at the confgerence
[22:50] <Darkside> right
[22:50] <Darkside> not dead
[22:50] <Darkside> ok
[22:50] <Darkside> yeah
[22:50] <Darkside> i can talk about how switchmode power supplies and sensitive radios don't go togther
[22:50] <Lunar_Lander> who is Henry Wood?
[22:50] <eroomde> i can slow-clap
[22:50] <Laurenceb_> google
[22:50] <Darkside> noise floor on this launch was 25dB higher than with a LDO reg powered launch
[22:50] <Laurenceb_> oops
[22:51] <Lunar_Lander> I recently read about that Shipman guy
[22:51] <Lunar_Lander> scary!
[22:51] <fsphil> I wonder if that's why I didn't get through to it
[22:51] <Laurenceb_> what was the switching frequency?
[22:51] <eroomde> and off topic
[22:51] <Laurenceb_> #newsoftheworldroeborn
[22:51] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: now you make me get out the datasheet..
[22:52] <Laurenceb_> lol
[22:52] <eroomde> some of the mor modern smps have variable switching freqs
[22:52] <Laurenceb_> wonder if its harmonics of the switching
[22:52] <eroomde> to make things more efficient
[22:52] <Darkside> yeah its arround 1300khz
[22:52] <Darkside> ish
[22:52] <Laurenceb_> or power rail ripple
[22:52] <Lunar_Lander> Laurenceb_ Wikipedia knows several Henry Wood named people
[22:52] <Laurenceb_> hmm
[22:52] <Darkside> Laurenceb_: i can work that out
[22:52] <Laurenceb_> maybe power ripple then
[22:52] <Darkside> eah
[22:52] <Laurenceb_> lol
[22:52] <Darkside> it might be
[22:52] <Darkside> i can fix that
[22:52] <Darkside> i know i don't have enough decoupling on the board
[22:52] <Laurenceb_> what does the circuit look like atm?
[22:53] <Laurenceb_> is there a choke between the smsp and the si4432?
[22:53] <Darkside> hahahahah
[22:53] <Darkside> no
[22:53] <Darkside> there should be
[22:53] <Darkside> but there isn't
[22:53] <Darkside> fun thing is
[22:53] <Darkside> the noise only goes up when theres an antenna on
[22:53] <Laurenceb_> i use smps to 3.6v, large tantalum and several mlcc caps
[22:53] <Darkside> so i think its radiated noise somewhere
[22:53] <Laurenceb_> then choke
[22:53] <eroomde> Lunar_Lander: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Wood
[22:53] <Laurenceb_> more mlcc
[22:54] <Laurenceb_> then ldo to 3.3v, and more mlcc, choke, more mlcc
[22:54] <Laurenceb_> rather complex decoupling XD
[22:54] <Darkside> yeeeeah
[22:54] <Lunar_Lander> eroomde, ah the night of the proms thing
[22:54] <Darkside> still, good wyay of keeping the signal clean
[22:54] <Darkside> power clean i mean
[22:54] <Laurenceb_> _very_ clean
[22:54] <Laurenceb_> also achieves something else
[22:55] <Laurenceb_> smps is slow to respond to current demand shifts
[22:55] <Laurenceb_> the tantalum and 300mv "headroom" gives it chance to adjust
[22:55] <Darkside> mm
[22:55] <Laurenceb_> ok if its radiated harmonics i have an idea
[22:55] <Darkside> i need to stick a probe next to it and have a loop
[22:56] <Darkside> look*
[22:56] <Laurenceb_> in my experience decent smps ics can give very clean performance, but you need to correct layout, and more importantly the right components
[22:56] <Darkside> i have access to enough spectrum analyzers
[22:56] <Laurenceb_> e.g. on my lt3467a based 2.4MHz smps thingy
[22:56] <Darkside> my SMPS layoud is very compact
[22:56] <Darkside> using a TPS61200
[22:56] <Darkside> ok at station
[22:56] <Laurenceb_> if i swap the diode for something else i get very short spikes on the output
[22:56] <Laurenceb_> i cant remeber part numbers
[22:56] <eroomde> i have always found it beneficial to closely follow the datasheet recommended pcb layout
[22:57] <Laurenceb_> but its very hard to optimise this stuff
[22:57] <Laurenceb_> yeah but im breaking all the runs with this
[22:57] <Laurenceb_> ive "hacked" a lt3467a to work as a sepic
[22:57] <Laurenceb_> using a load of spice and several prototypes
[22:57] <Laurenceb_> so i was probably hitting some sort of internal delay issue with the "wrong" diode
[22:58] <Laurenceb_> works with an IRF diode atm
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[22:59] <Laurenceb_> but yeah you just have to try this stuff
[22:59] <Laurenceb_> with at least a very decent scope
[22:59] <Laurenceb_> anyway i need to sleep - been installing dpc all day
[22:59] <Laurenceb_> which is tiring work
[23:00] <Laurenceb_> - damp proof course
[23:01] <Laurenceb_> which is ordinarily simple, but if the house has already been built....
[23:01] <Laurenceb_> Darkside: https://github.com/Laurenceb/Dactyl/blob/master/Hardware/Assembly/photo2.JPG
[23:01] <Laurenceb_> thats with the working diode at lower left hand side
[23:02] <Laurenceb_> if i swap it for the ST diode thats used at the opposite corner... bad shit happens
[23:03] <Laurenceb_> _very_ short pulses floating around the place
[23:03] <Laurenceb_> even tho the "basic" specs are very similar
[23:03] <Laurenceb_> seems to be some odd interplay of various stuff going on - this stuff gets complex
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[23:04] <Laurenceb_> wow epic monologue
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[23:16] <Lunar_Lander> Darkside, still en route home?
[23:16] <Darkside> eroomde: the train to oxford from paddington that just passed rhroufh waa basically empty
[23:16] <Darkside> was
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[23:22] <Darkside> lots of free seata
[23:22] <Lunar_Lander> cool
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[23:22] <Darkside> many marked as reserved, but with nobody in them
[23:22] <fsphil> put your feet up!
[23:22] <Darkside> so meh
[23:22] <Lunar_Lander> Darkside, does your cutdown work via MOSFET=
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[23:22] <Darkside> Lunar_Lander: yea
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[23:22] <Lunar_Lander> ah
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[23:22] <Lunar_Lander> could you make the cutdown automatic also?
[23:22] <Darkside> low side mosfet
[23:23] <Darkside> sure
[23:23] <Lunar_Lander> i.e. program in "Actuate cutdown either when called or when reaching 35000 m"
[23:23] <Darkside> thats just code
[23:23] <Lunar_Lander> ok
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[23:53] <natrium42> nice to see so many payloads on the tracker; and it all worked out, gangnam style!
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[23:55] <daveake> http://i.imgur.com/2p6iM.jpg
[23:55] <daveake> Norfolk coast - http://i.imgur.com/cUK1y.jpg
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[23:55] <daveake> http://i.imgur.com/rNQlT.jpg
[23:56] <natrium42> wow, sweet
[23:56] <natrium42> which camera did you use?
[23:56] <daveake> A495
[23:56] <natrium42> <3 canon
[23:56] <daveake> And you ain't seen nothing yet :D
[23:56] <natrium42> it doesn't fish-eye
[23:56] <daveake> Sure doesn't
[23:57] <daveake> Regular lens 38mm equiv
[23:57] <daveake> OK, see what you see in this one ... http://i.imgur.com/OT2VE.jpg
[23:58] <natrium42> neil de-gasse tyson claimed that curvature in HAB photos comes from the lenses used
[23:58] <daveake> some not all
[23:58] <natrium42> however if you look at videos taken with good lenses like the canon ones, i don't see that at all
[23:58] <daveake> The canon ones have very low distortion. They do show the curvature.
[23:59] <daveake> Anyway seen anything noteworthy yet? :)
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