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[05:29] <natrium42> hi SelfishMan
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[07:38] <Gadget-Work> Anyone fancy getting one of these working on a HAB flight ? http://bubblepix.com/
[07:38] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] Launch this Saturday 8th - Bello Mondo-11"
[07:40] <daveake> Interesting idea
[07:41] <Gadget-Work> Wonder if it would work with a 'normal' camera, image manipulation post launch should be do-able
[07:41] <daveake> Well yes, that would be better. Aiming a decent camera down into a lens like this
[07:42] <daveake> Saturday should be fun with the 4 launches
[07:42] <daveake> Sunny and warm, which for my flights will be a novelty :)
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[09:01] <edmoore> New company toys arrived! Big led tv for conference room which is also my office
[09:01] <edmoore> And a canon eos5d with a few nice lenses
[09:03] <daveake> nice :)
[09:03] <edmoore> For nice photos and videos for the web
[09:03] <daveake> The 5D is a nice piece of kit
[09:04] <edmoore> And full hd videos for the new tv (v important!)
[09:04] <daveake> of course
[09:04] <edmoore> The tv is silly, it has wifi and built in iplayer and YouTube apps
[09:04] <nick_> So you can watch yourself watching yourself in HD?
[09:04] <edmoore> I am never going to get any work done ever again
[09:05] <costyn> inception!
[09:05] <costyn> and 5d, very nice! which lenses?
[09:05] <daveake> Stick a 24mm on and fly it
[09:06] <edmoore> A 24-115 imagesabilised smart thing
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[09:06] <edmoore> Quite a nice Oneida think as aperture is uniform and low
[09:06] <edmoore> And a 50 f1.4 fixed
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[09:06] <costyn> edmoore: sweet, i have an IS lens as well, they work nicely for video too
[09:07] <costyn> edmoore: those are funny for the silly minimal dof pics :)
[09:07] <costyn> (50mm)
[09:07] <edmoore> Yeah :)
[09:08] <edmoore> Those video shots where you shift focus through from foreground to background over shiny rocket plumbing
[09:08] <costyn> ooooh
[09:08] <edmoore> I'm gonna be all fancy pants with it
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[09:29] <Darkside> hey edmoore
[09:29] <edmoore> Yo bizzle, darknizzle
[09:29] <Darkside> ...
[09:29] <Darkside> ok
[09:29] <Darkside> not sure if you saw my comments before about the gps bent pipe idea
[09:30] <Darkside> the gps guru's here reccomend you don't do that, but instead use a gps frontend, and stream the raw 2-bit data down
[09:30] <Darkside> that way you still get the data youneed, but don't have to deal with doppler from the rocket
[09:30] <edmoore> I didn't see the comments
[09:31] <Darkside> his comment about injecting a pseudo-SV was "Yes, that'll work, but i wouldn't want to be the person writing the code to decode it"
[09:31] <edmoore> Lucky I am writing it then :)
[09:31] <Darkside> so yeah, simple gps frontend, get the 2-bit quantised data which is all you need to decode
[09:31] <Darkside> and transmit that down
[09:31] <Darkside> and you can do that veeeery simply
[09:31] <edmoore> But I don't understand, we won't suffer from rocket Doppler
[09:32] <Darkside> i mean, doppler from the retransmitter on teh rocket to ground
[09:32] <edmoore> So that's not solving a problem we have
[09:32] <Darkside> and other delays from that
[09:32] <Darkside> but again, his comment was do it the way the radiosondes do it
[09:32] <edmoore> We won't suffer from Doppler between rocket and ground
[09:32] <Darkside> all the gps processing for them is done on the ground, they just send the sampled gps signal
[09:33] <Darkside> ok
[09:33] <Darkside> still. sampled gps data + retransmit is ikely going to be easier than trying to do a bent pipe
[09:33] <edmoore> Why?
[09:33] <Darkside> because you can plug the output of the gps frontend into some commercial data transmitter
[09:34] <Darkside> or roll your own if you're thatways inclined
[09:34] <Darkside> hell, you could probably transmit it out on 2.4 gigs easily enough
[09:34] <Darkside> then at the ground you have the raw gps data from the rocket, with nothing else to worry about in-between
[09:34] <edmoore> I think you've misgroked what we're doing
[09:34] <Darkside> you're going to have to do corrections for delays between the rocket and your ground receiver
[09:35] <edmoore> Why?
[09:35] <Darkside> you're doing a bent pipe, with a zero-doppler pseudo-SV injected into the mix, right?
[09:35] <Darkside> to use as a reference
[09:35] <edmoore> No
[09:35] <Darkside> so you can do the gps processing on the ground, and get an accurate flight path, without ITAR restrictions giving you grief
[09:35] <Darkside> oh?
[09:36] <Darkside> thats the impression i got from what you were saying a while back
[09:36] <gonzo__> if all the sats are being rxed at the rocket, you will get the positional fix from the rocket. But time will be out by the delay between the rocket and the ground
[09:36] <Darkside> hmm
[09:36] <gonzo__> if you put your ground rx far enough away from the launch, you can keep the dopler to a min
[09:37] <Darkside> but is a bent pipe going to be easier than a simple sampler and data transmitter?
[09:37] <gonzo__> (I'm thinking bent pipe here)
[09:37] <Darkside> i guess it will work better if the signal gets low
[09:37] <gonzo__> depends on yo0ur skill set
[09:37] <edmoore> Just broadcasting down, in a way that doesn't suffer Doppler, an IF with a pseudo sv mixed in
[09:38] <edmoore> The IF being from the received gps signal mixed down
[09:38] <Darkside> ok
[09:39] <Darkside> hmm
[09:39] <Darkside> ok, how many bits do you need to receive gps
[09:39] <Darkside> its 2-bits for each I and Q, right?
[09:39] <edmoore> 1 bit would do
[09:40] <Darkside> and you need to sample at least 4MHz
[09:40] <edmoore> About that
[09:40] <edmoore> 3.x would probably do
[09:40] <Darkside> ok, so thats 8Mbit/s
[09:40] <Darkside> ish
[09:40] <Darkside> yeah ok that may be a pain to get to the ground
[09:40] <Darkside> you could probably do it on 2.4GHz
[09:40] <Darkside> maaaaaybe
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[09:41] <edmoore> Why specifically 2.4?
[09:41] <Darkside> well
[09:41] <Darkside> i'm thinking available ISM bands
[09:41] <Darkside> and bandwidth limits
[09:41] <edmoore> Ah f all that
[09:41] <edmoore> Just get a temporary license
[09:41] <Darkside> heh
[09:42] <edmoore> Thinking 'amateur' just makes everything take longer.
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[09:43] <Darkside> ij
[09:43] <Darkside> ok
[09:43] <Darkside> i have to go mount a gps antenna on a roof
[09:43] <Darkside> yay
[09:43] <Darkside> bbl
[09:43] <edmoore> Like taking country tracks to avoid a toll motorway
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[09:47] <fsphil> Dawn has departed Vesta. Won't reach Ceres until 2015
[09:47] <edmoore> Sit tight
[09:47] <edmoore> We're making gpredict the screen saver on the new tv
[09:49] <fsphil> nice
[09:50] <fsphil> that's one thing this office needs
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[10:04] <nick_> Our outreach officer likes my in school and HAB cosmic project
[10:04] <nick_> :)
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[10:23] <fsphil> nice
[10:23] <nick_> Now I just need to write the most awesome application ever in the next week
[10:24] <fsphil> I don't think our local school would be interested in hab-stuff
[10:24] <nick_> I'm hoping we get half a dozen schools involved.
[10:24] <nick_> At least two are keen
[10:25] <nick_> Although the HAB part is only part of the project.
[10:25] <nick_> So even if they didn't want to do that bit schools can get involved having the detector in their school and doing the ground based experiments.
[10:27] <nick_> Or if the school is lame they can follow the launch of another school and use their data for a measurement.
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[12:32] <eroomde> Randomskk: pangady ping pong poo
[12:32] <Randomskk> eroomde: hi
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[12:32] <Randomskk> google mail thought the notification for your message was in filipino
[12:32] <Randomskk> good job
[12:32] <eroomde> you get an email when someone pings you
[12:32] <Randomskk> yes
[12:32] <Randomskk> or privmsg
[12:33] <eroomde> that would drive me nuts
[12:33] <Randomskk> it's very handy
[12:33] <eroomde> well anyway
[12:33] <Randomskk> seeing as my phone gets my emails
[12:33] <Randomskk> it does have rate limiting and stuff built in
[12:33] <eroomde> i have turned off push mail
[12:33] <eroomde> haaaaaate it
[12:33] <eroomde> you've done some stuff on internal data representation right?
[12:33] <Randomskk> my phone is set to not make any noise or vibrate or anything when it gets eamil
[12:33] <Randomskk> uhm
[12:33] <Randomskk> maybe
[12:34] <Randomskk> depends on what you mean by internal data representation
[12:34] <eroomde> have you used any particular framework or just spun custom solutions as and when?
[12:34] <Randomskk> custom solutions based on matplotlib and sometimes pandas
[12:34] <Randomskk> matplotlib makes doing that really pretty easy to be honest
[12:35] <Randomskk> mayavi too
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[12:35] <eroomde> what have you done with mayavi?
[12:35] <Randomskk> mostly used mayavi for 3d stuff
[12:35] <Randomskk> 3d stuff.
[12:35] <Randomskk> :P
[12:35] <eroomde> secret?
[12:36] <Randomskk> not hugely though NDA I guess
[12:36] <Randomskk> but mostly anything that involved things in 3d space
[12:36] <Randomskk> accelerometer auto-levelling one time
[12:37] <Randomskk> or a set of 3d vector changes
[12:37] <eroomde> what is autolevelling?
[12:37] <Randomskk> guessing its orientation in a moving thing
[12:37] <Randomskk> wrt earth
[12:37] <Randomskk> e.g. while stationary, gravity is down
[12:37] <Randomskk> but then guessing the rotation in the x-z plane once you have down fixed
[12:38] <Randomskk> based on things like linear acceleration/braking forwards/backwards
[12:38] <Randomskk> the mayavi was for visualising the results
[12:38] <eroomde> while not accelerating, gravity is down /predant
[12:38] <eroomde> pedant*
[12:39] <eroomde> that sounds lik a fun problem though
[12:40] <Randomskk> it was entertaining
[12:40] <Randomskk> trying to find the photo I made in the end
[12:40] <Randomskk> it was cool
[12:40] <kokey> guy at work just got himself a little UDI U816 quadcopter
[12:40] <Laurenceb> http://www.goodluckbuy.com/cjmcu-mwc-flight-controller-mini-4-axis-module-cjmcu328-micro-quadcopter-.html
[12:41] <kokey> cheap as chips, seems to perform ok
[12:41] <kokey> has 3 chips on it, one seems to be the 2.4ghz radio, and then another big one and another small one
[12:41] <kokey> it looks like it's controlling the motors straight from the big one
[12:42] <Randomskk> interesting
[12:42] <kokey> Laurenceb: ah, that's quite cool
[12:43] <zyp> brushed motors, simple pwm to control through the transistor on each arm
[12:53] <MrScienceMan> qqbnbbq
[12:56] <costyn> MrScienceMan: yes, clearly that is so
[12:57] <SamSilver> MrScienceMan: i could not have said it better
[12:58] <costyn> now we speculate what it was... vi commands? cat on his keyboard? spilled coffee on his keyboard? fell asleep?
[12:58] <SamSilver> lol i bet 42 -; 1 cat on keyboard
[12:58] <SamSilver> I was looking at the spacing between the letters
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[13:00] <fsphil> this is what you get when you work for rabid monkeys
[13:00] <Randomskk> for or with? :p
[13:00] <costyn> :D
[13:01] <MrScienceMan> costyn: close with vi commands, but no
[13:01] <MrScienceMan> multi PC controlling gone wrong
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[14:07] <griffonbot> @HighAltitudeLab: Thanks to all the great people at #ukhas for their help regarding High Altitude Ballooning & sorry for errors like forgetting the GND wire! [http://twitter.com/HighAltitudeLab/status/243712038369624064]
[14:12] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[14:12] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[14:13] <SamSilver> Hi LL
[14:14] <SamSilver> i have watched a few of your vids
[14:14] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[14:14] <SamSilver> videos
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[14:14] <SamSilver> transformers 1 & 2
[14:14] <Lunar_Lander> ah that one
[14:14] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[14:15] <SamSilver> spacenear.us demo
[14:17] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[14:17] <Lunar_Lander> how did you like it?
[14:20] <SamSilver> good but I prefer Richard Feynman :-P
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[14:20] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[14:25] <Lunar_Lander> SamSilver, but he didn't do a spacenear.us tak
[14:25] <Lunar_Lander> talk
[14:25] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[14:26] <SamSilver> he would be a ton of fun to have as a HABer
[14:29] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[14:30] <Lunar_Lander> I mean when he ordered a computer in 1984 he went to fetch it
[14:30] <Lunar_Lander> and he fell on the sidewalk and he bled
[14:30] <Lunar_Lander> but he picked up the computer anyway, took it home and when his wife came home she found him trying out the computer in his blood-stained shirt
[14:31] <Lunar_Lander> imagine how excited he'd be over an arduino
[14:31] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[14:31] <eroomde> that's like me making yorkshire puddings yesterday evening
[14:31] <fsphil> I can picture that
[14:31] <Lunar_Lander> the end was however that he got headaches and couldn't concentrate
[14:32] <Lunar_Lander> there was a pocket of blood pressing on his brain so they had to drill two holes into the skull
[14:32] <Lunar_Lander> and back at Caltech he then said "You always talked about me having holes in my head, here they are!"
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[14:33] <eroomde> i got a nasty old burn from the tins with the yorishires in having put the batter in
[14:33] <eroomde> but couldn;t drop them as that would have made a mess on the floor and meant no yorkshires
[14:34] <eroomde> so i had to carry on putting them into the oven properly as i could feel the bit where it was touching by arm burning
[14:34] <costyn> eroomde: that's some serious self-control there :)
[14:34] <SamSilver> eroomde: does the burn look like the virgin mary?
[14:34] <costyn> SamSilver: you can sell it on ebay!
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[14:34] <SamSilver> lol
[14:34] <eroomde> i have taken a picture just for you
[14:34] <eroomde> http://i.imgur.com/C87Ct.jpg
[14:34] <eroomde> photo doesn;t show it that well but it's pleasing 3D and blistery
[14:35] <eroomde> pleasingly*
[14:35] <costyn> now we're wondering what you're doing at the JoshingTalk site
[14:35] <SamSilver> snap
[14:35] <eroomde> i had some work stuff on my screen so decided to obscure it with something
[14:35] <eroomde> space art seemed the obvious choice
[14:35] <costyn> nice save :)
[14:36] <Randomskk> haha
[14:36] <number10> i thought you were interested in purchasing the art for a moment
[14:36] <SamSilver> =1 for zoom
[14:36] <eroomde> fire art
[14:36] <SamSilver> +1
[14:37] <costyn> SamSilver: you're starting to sound like an imgur regular
[14:37] <SamSilver> costyn: i spend way toooo much time there
[14:37] <eroomde> "i satted down for a second to realise the magnitude of the achievement of what has just had happened"
[14:38] <Lunar_Lander> eroomde, OUCH
[14:38] <eroomde> "I hope I have inspired countless thousands across our world to realise their inspiration and create their achivement"
[14:39] <Lunar_Lander> I'd rather fly research instruments on a HAB than art equipment
[14:39] Action: costyn is watching the video
[14:39] <eroomde> which video?
[14:39] <fsphil> don't dooo ittt
[14:40] <costyn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR6ulvNFo-A&feature=youtu.be
[14:40] <SamSilver> his poor english teacher must be horrified
[14:40] <SamSilver> somewhere in china
[14:40] <eroomde> SamSilver: he's about my age
[14:40] <eroomde> in 20s
[14:40] <costyn> the way he described it seems a lot more exciting than it really is
[14:40] <fsphil> exciting future in advertisind then
[14:40] <Lunar_Lander> at least the video is in FULL HD
[14:40] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[14:40] <eroomde> but yes he does completely garble his language
[14:40] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: and it has some nice DOF playing
[14:41] <Lunar_Lander> DOF?
[14:41] <costyn> depth of field
[14:41] <eroomde> depth of field?
[14:41] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[14:41] <costyn> check 3:02
[14:41] <Lunar_Lander> YAY the recommended videos have Raul's Space Shuttle
[14:41] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[14:42] <Lunar_Lander> XD LIDL bag
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[14:44] <eroomde> at least it wasn't used as a chute
[14:44] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[14:44] <costyn> it was piggybacking on cuddykid's balloon right?
[14:44] <eroomde> yes
[14:44] <costyn> I saw lots of people being thanked except mr cudworth himself
[14:45] <eroomde> correct
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[14:45] <Lunar_Lander> :(
[14:45] <eroomde> josh is not a particularly good human
[14:45] <Lunar_Lander> WOW I see 1:20 now
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[14:46] <eroomde> at least, from what I have seen of him or when I have interacted with him
[14:46] <Lunar_Lander> and I am astonished how all the yellow part was created even before launch
[14:46] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[14:46] <Lunar_Lander> eroomde, costyn I like how the most recent comment is "fake"
[14:46] <costyn> hehehe
[14:47] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: from all the hype on his site the product is dissapointing in my opinion
[14:47] <costyn> (end)product
[14:47] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[14:47] <Lunar_Lander> Sir Richard will not be pleased xD
[14:47] <costyn> going to 35k had absolutely no influence at all on the product
[14:48] <costyn> might as well have hung it up and let the wind at ground level do the work on the "canvas"
[14:48] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[14:48] <Lunar_Lander> as I said the yellow stuff was already done before flight
[14:48] <Lunar_Lander> also why did he sign the canvas before launch?
[14:48] <costyn> it would've been interesting if he'd've use something like UV-sensitive paint or something else which would actually react different at altitude than at ground level
[14:48] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[14:49] <Randomskk> costyn: no it would still be boring.
[14:49] <Randomskk> :p
[14:49] <Lunar_Lander> yeah true
[14:49] <costyn> Randomskk: well yes, but slightly less boring
[14:49] <Randomskk> hehe
[14:49] <Lunar_Lander> you'd need a UV lamp to really see UV paint
[14:49] <costyn> then there would actually be a point to lifting all that crap aloft
[14:49] <Lunar_Lander> I don't think that the increase in UV with altitude is enough
[14:49] <Randomskk> maybe altitude-sensitive paint
[14:49] <Randomskk> I'm sure that's a thing.
[14:49] <Randomskk> or I'll happily sell him some anyway
[14:50] <Lunar_Lander> yeah but is there anything like that?
[14:50] <costyn> Randomskk: XD
[14:50] <Lunar_Lander> I don't think paint reacts on pressure
[14:50] <Lunar_Lander> there is paint that reacts on temperature
[14:50] <costyn> it might've boiled at the low pressure, but then the pressure was low too
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[14:50] <costyn> sorry
[14:51] <costyn> derp... temperature was low too
[14:51] <Lunar_Lander> isn't that trespassing at 2:50?
[14:51] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: when HABbing, trespassing is highly likely
[14:51] <Lunar_Lander> true
[14:52] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: I carried a bottle of wine with me to give to a land owner in case we had to go onto someone's property
[14:52] <Lunar_Lander> I also think it is remarkable a few seconds earlier
[14:52] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[14:52] <eroomde> i carry i bottle of wine too
[14:52] <Lunar_Lander> he walks around while the other person works the antenna
[14:52] <eroomde> good for bottling them if they become aggressive
[14:52] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[14:52] <fsphil> perhaps we should be carrying a teddy bear
[14:52] <costyn> eroomde: heheheh
[14:52] <Lunar_Lander> btw is dave's landing the first one to hit a vehicle in the UK?
[14:52] <Lunar_Lander> I mean in HAB
[14:52] <eroomde> have only given a bottle away once
[14:52] <fsphil> nope
[14:53] <Lunar_Lander> not the met office flights
[14:54] <Lunar_Lander> I also think it is remarkable a few seconds earlier
[14:54] <Lunar_Lander> he walks around while the other person works the antenna
[14:55] <fsphil> I bet it's amazing how many sondes land on cars that where just moments before parked in a garage :)
[14:55] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[14:55] <SamSilver> when ballooning i carry a bottle of sparkling wine for grumpy landowners
[14:56] <eroomde> snap
[14:56] <eroomde> always fizz
[14:56] <eroomde> but as i say, only used once
[14:56] <eroomde> for a flight we don;t talk about so much
[14:56] <fsphil> does that still work for rockets? :)
[14:56] <eroomde> and partly to try and cancel out the effects of Laurenceb's un self-aware tactlessness
[14:57] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[14:57] <eroomde> when flying rockets you carry several passports and a wig and a fake tache and have a sea-plane idling nearby
[14:57] <fsphil> better plan
[14:57] <Laurenceb> wut
[14:58] <Randomskk> come on Laurenceb, you and that missing lcd screen are notorious
[14:58] <eroomde> Laurenceb: as Randomskk says, you accused them of stealing your lcd screen
[14:58] <costyn> eroomde: haha
[14:58] <eroomde> a few minutes after we had bombed their back garden
[14:59] <eroomde> which was hosting a children's fancy-dress party
[14:59] <costyn> hahaha
[14:59] <Laurenceb> wut
[14:59] <Randomskk> eroomde: to be fair, in the recent cusf launch (video still to come) we were very confused
[14:59] <Randomskk> when we'd opened up the box
[14:59] <Randomskk> and the gsm tracker that was duct taped to the inside lid was missing
[14:59] <Laurenceb> i just said it was missing iirc
[14:59] <eroomde> you don't rc
[14:59] <Randomskk> didn't want to start accusing people of stealing as I had the ukhas1 thing in the front of my mind
[14:59] <Laurenceb> and it was too dark to find
[14:59] <Randomskk> but as it happened the video footage proved they did in fact steal it
[14:59] <Randomskk> >_>
[14:59] <costyn> haha
[14:59] <eroomde> is that footage up yet?
[15:00] <costyn> this is a great story I've not heard before :D
[15:00] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[15:00] <Randomskk> eroomde: soon
[15:00] <Randomskk> maybe this weekend
[15:00] <Randomskk> I have all of it together now
[15:00] <Randomskk> just need to edit and cut
[15:00] <eroomde> costyn: we tend not to talk about ukhas1
[15:00] <eroomde> it was the flight that never happened but where lessons were learned
[15:00] <eroomde> like
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[15:00] <eroomde> brazed brass rods are structurally strong for an antenna but they are also spears-of-death on landing
[15:00] <eroomde> and
[15:00] <Laurenceb> to eat a taco?
[15:01] <costyn> :)
[15:01] <eroomde> cable ties cannot be used to attach the parachute to the payload because they snap at low temperatures
[15:01] <eroomde> and
[15:01] <kokey> rpi now going to be made in the UK
[15:01] <eroomde> the intersection of no parachute and spears-of-death is not good
[15:01] <kokey> nice one, at a plant that knows what they are doing
[15:01] <kokey> I'm going to order one then
[15:01] <costyn> eroomde: when was this ?
[15:01] <eroomde> but as i said, it never happened
[15:01] <eroomde> it wasn't
[15:01] <eroomde> i don;t know what you're talking about
[15:01] <costyn> eroomde: right right... but hypothetically speaking
[15:01] <eroomde> hmm?
[15:02] <eroomde> well, hypothetically
[15:02] <eroomde> if we were to have done a colaborative launch it would have been in the early days
[15:02] <eroomde> before we wrote the rpedictor or anything
[15:02] <costyn> some years ago?
[15:02] <eroomde> so say something like 2007
[15:02] <fsphil> kokey: good news
[15:02] <costyn> ah yes
[15:02] <eroomde> hypothetically
[15:02] <costyn> ofcourse
[15:03] <eroomde> it had 3 or 4 payloads on it iirc
[15:03] <eroomde> it also swang like a mad bitch on the way up
[15:03] <eroomde> do you recall that Laurenceb ?
[15:03] <costyn> and why was there an lcd screen in the payload, supposedly?
[15:03] <eroomde> it had a serious chaotic pendulum mode being excited
[15:03] <costyn> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2226281095117039146
[15:03] <eroomde> costyn: this is still not understood by anyone except Laurenceb
[15:03] <Laurenceb> yes
[15:03] <eroomde> why there needed to be an lcd
[15:04] <Laurenceb> costyn: cuz i wanted to waste money
[15:04] <eroomde> one with laurence's thumbs-up smiley face as the background
[15:04] <costyn> Laurenceb: makes perfect sense
[15:04] <fsphil> good that it never launched then, you saved a few pounds there
[15:04] <Laurenceb> and play with state machines for gui interface
[15:04] <eroomde> costyn: http://ukhas.org.uk/_detail/projects:mihab:p1030033.jpg?id=projects%3Amihab%3Amihab3_glider_master_unit
[15:05] <costyn> eroomde: what why I dont even...
[15:05] <Laurenceb> teehee
[15:05] <eroomde> thems were wild west days
[15:05] <eroomde> shoot first
[15:05] <fsphil> lol
[15:05] <eroomde> justify from an engineering pov later
[15:05] <costyn> haha
[15:06] <fsphil> could have been worse
[15:06] <fsphil> could have been a countdown timer with red flashing border
[15:06] <Laurenceb> yeah at least there was no arduino :P
[15:06] <eroomde> the first couple of years worth of payloads were often heavier and more unwieldy
[15:06] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[15:06] <Lunar_Lander> Laurenceb, what was used instead?
[15:06] <eroomde> 3kg ish, lots of random bits and arms and things coming off and deploying this and that and cardboard tubes and precision bodges
[15:07] <Laurenceb> atmega168
[15:07] <Laurenceb> on stripboard
[15:07] Action: costyn must go. ta ta
[15:07] <eroomde> since then everything has got safer and lighter
[15:07] <Randomskk> or more painty
[15:07] <fsphil> hey my first four launches where built on stripboard :)
[15:07] <Randomskk> >_>
[15:07] <eroomde> with a small blip for our parachute test vehicle
[15:07] <Randomskk> hah
[15:07] <eroomde> which might have been 15kg
[15:07] <Randomskk> and perhaps had a fairly decent terminal velocity
[15:08] <eroomde> so some say
[15:08] <Laurenceb> http://ukhas.org.uk/_media/projects:mihab:p3100023.jpg?cache=
[15:08] <Laurenceb> oops
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[15:09] <Lunar_Lander> Laurenceb, actually I want to make a arduino-like atmega328 on a perfboard :)
[15:09] <eroomde> Laurenceb: your build quality has improved since then
[15:10] <Laurenceb> :P
[15:10] <eroomde> the rogallo payload was actually one of the best put together payloads i've ever seen
[15:10] <eroomde> really very nice
[15:10] <Laurenceb> it was still stripboard :P
[15:10] <eroomde> but the whole mechanical part was v nice
[15:10] <Lunar_Lander> rogallo?
[15:10] <Laurenceb> apart from one little knot...
[15:11] <Laurenceb> knots in nylon line under heavy vibration behave in very non intuitive ways
[15:11] <Lunar_Lander> rogallo?
[15:11] <kokey> I'm sure my first launch is probably going to be on a stripboard too
[15:11] <Laurenceb> google it
[15:11] <eroomde> stripboard is fine
[15:11] <eroomde> as long as you can solder alright, it's no problem
[15:12] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[15:12] <fsphil> yep
[15:12] <eroomde> i do prototypic work on stripboard
[15:12] <Lunar_Lander> my payload also is stripboad
[15:12] <eroomde> send stuff out to customers that has stripboard in it
[15:12] <Lunar_Lander> *board
[15:12] <Lunar_Lander> is perfboard difficult?
[15:12] <eroomde> that said, gyroc is entirely custom pcbs
[15:12] <fsphil> pain to use smd parts on stripboard though
[15:12] <eroomde> and lemo connectors
[15:12] <eroomde> and kulite pressure transducers
[15:12] <Lunar_Lander> I mean you could like solder two holes together if they are next to each other
[15:12] <eroomde> oh, it is sweet
[15:13] <Lunar_Lander> but otherwise you have to do your wires yourself?
[15:13] <Laurenceb> fsphil: not if you dead bug on the copper side
[15:13] <Laurenceb> i usually use about 90% smd on stripboard projects
[15:13] <eroomde> wire wrapping is also considered a bit old fashined but it's actually probably the most reliable way to make tough circuit boards
[15:13] <eroomde> that can cope with vibration and large temperature cycles
[15:13] <eroomde> it's often used in space systems for that reason still
[15:14] <daveake> <costyn> I saw lots of people being thanked except mr cudworth himself
[15:14] <fsphil> I read recently that wire wrapping actually holds on better than clips
[15:14] <daveake> Yes I feelt duty bound to fix that recently
[15:14] <daveake> http://www.virgin.com/lifestyle/news/world-first-space-art
[15:14] <eroomde> better than solder too
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[15:14] <kokey> hmmm, wire wrapping
[15:15] <Lunar_Lander> daveake, I'd like to ask something about the flight of the bear
[15:15] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[15:15] <Lunar_Lander> did you find out why the uplink had failed?
[15:16] <Laurenceb> fsphil: http://ukhas.org.uk/_media/projects:imgp0066.jpg?w=800
[15:16] <Laurenceb> thats from the rogallo payload
[15:16] <Randomskk> oh god that virgin.com post
[15:16] <fsphil> that's chaotic
[15:16] <fsphil> but great at the same time
[15:17] <DrLuke> So I need to solder a board with solder paste, but I don't have a nice oven to do it. Can I do it on a cooking plate? Has anybody got any experience with that?
[15:17] <Lunar_Lander> what was the mechanical thing about rogallo Laurenceb ?
[15:17] <fsphil> what size where the passives Laurenceb?
[15:17] <Laurenceb> 0603 and 0805
[15:17] <fsphil> nice
[15:17] <DrLuke> by cooking plate I mean this: http://www.asia.ru/images/target/photo/50389029/High_Quality_Portable_Single_Burner_Hot_Plates.jpg
[15:18] <fsphil> most annoying thing about stripboard is having to cut the tracks
[15:18] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil, I found that using a drill is easy
[15:18] <Laurenceb> theres hand held tools for cutting
[15:19] <fsphil> I've got a thing from maplin, but it doesn't cut cleanly
[15:19] <fsphil> possibly I'm not using it right
[15:19] <eroomde> i have a drill bit which i ground out to a shallower angle
[15:19] <eroomde> in a wodden handle
[15:19] <eroomde> takes about 3 turns
[15:19] <Lunar_Lander> I use a 4.5 mm drill and I like turn it with my fingers
[15:19] <Randomskk> DrLuke: yea it's fine
[15:19] <Randomskk> I've done it loads
[15:19] <DrLuke> ok thanks :)
[15:19] <Randomskk> ideal if you can monitor temperature
[15:19] <Randomskk> but it can certainly work
[15:19] <DrLuke> well
[15:19] <DrLuke> at first I have to go slow, right?
[15:19] <eroomde> if you have neither the skillet or an oven, get an oven
[15:19] <eroomde> would be my advice
[15:20] <Randomskk> this^
[15:20] <eroomde> they're £20
[15:20] <DrLuke> well yeah
[15:20] <DrLuke> where can I get one?
[15:20] <eroomde> argos
[15:20] <Randomskk> argos---- grr.
[15:20] <Lunar_Lander> ALDi
[15:20] <Lunar_Lander> *ALDI
[15:20] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[15:20] <DrLuke> oh you mean, make my own
[15:20] <eroomde> yes
[15:20] <eroomde> anywhere like that
[15:20] <eroomde> no
[15:20] <eroomde> just buy an oven
[15:20] <eroomde> £20 toast oven
[15:20] <DrLuke> ah
[15:20] <eroomde> does the job fine
[15:21] <daveake> Lunar_Lander: Darkside is the guy to ask, but basically there was local interference
[15:21] <DrLuke> ok perfect, thanks :)
[15:21] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok
[15:21] <Penfold> really not worth being precious about where you buy it from :D
[15:21] <eroomde> *if* you want to, you can then buy oven controllers that turn them into full temp profile pcb ovens
[15:21] <joph> these cheap ovens look always a little bit too cheap :D
[15:21] <Lunar_Lander> daveake, one more question: it is OK to connect wires like that to the screw terminals that then run outside and then you have the Nichrome?
[15:21] <Lunar_Lander> xD joph
[15:21] <DrLuke> eroomde: buy... psh! I would make my own
[15:21] <chris_99> i guess you could use a cheapo PID for that eroomde
[15:21] <joph> Lunar_Lander, i need one, any suggestions?
[15:21] <eroomde> DrLuke: fine
[15:21] <joph> will be used for pizza
[15:22] <Lunar_Lander> no, I don't really know about these
[15:22] <eroomde> but, then oven will get you churcning the pcbs out manually anyway while you make the controller
[15:22] <Lunar_Lander> my ex-gf had one from Severin IIRC
[15:22] <Lunar_Lander> that was quite OK
[15:23] <eroomde> with the ovens, doing it manually, you tend to turn it to 150C and leave it there for 5 mins
[15:23] <joph> Lunar_Lander, just got a 5¬ amazon voucher :D
[15:23] <eroomde> just to get everything up to temp and sock there
[15:23] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[15:23] <eroomde> then crank it up to 250 until you see the solder reflow
[15:23] <daveake> Lunar_Lander I prefer crimps. Solder won't work.
[15:23] <eroomde> tap the oven a couple of times gently so the bits can reseat themselves properly
[15:23] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[15:23] <eroomde> then back down to 150 for 5 mins
[15:23] <eroomde> then off
[15:23] <Lunar_Lander> I was just talking about the connector wires, the red ones in his payload daveake
[15:24] <daveake> Well, I think I managed to solder once using some flux, but not recommended
[15:24] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[15:24] <daveake> What about the red wires?
[15:24] <joph> nice, they're available with a microwave oven for just 90¬
[15:24] <Lunar_Lander> can they be any lenghth?
[15:24] <eroomde> can't go more than 90cm with red wires
[15:25] <daveake> Yellow/green onces do 100.5cm
[15:25] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[15:25] <eroomde> yellow/green wires can go to 40km actually
[15:25] <eroomde> if you work it out
[15:25] <eroomde> so you can connect them to ground from a balloon
[15:26] <fsphil> pink wires don't work too well
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[15:26] <daveake> Sounds like a reely good idea
[15:26] <Lunar_Lander> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&NR=1&v=YHCzOo1cyLI
[15:26] <eroomde> that pun makes me want to coil up and die
[15:26] <fsphil> but black wires actually absorb the signal
[15:27] <chris_99> this would be perfect for reflow right, http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Search/searchTerms/TOAST+OVEN.htm
[15:27] <eroomde> this is how i imagine all german tv
[15:27] <Lunar_Lander> xD!
[15:27] <MrScienceMan> sigh, time to make toast
[15:27] <eroomde> chris_99: that's the one i use
[15:27] <chris_99> sweet, do you use a PID
[15:27] <chris_99> too
[15:27] <chris_99> or just use it's thermostat
[15:27] <eroomde> chris_99: http://www.flickr.com/photos/eroomde/sets/72157629174453806/
[15:28] <eroomde> i use a pid too yep
[15:28] <eroomde> but that's because we do quite a few jobs per month with it
[15:28] <daveake> I think we need to discuss this new method of powering HABs on the mailing litz
[15:28] <eroomde> so want the repeatability and it's for payed work so can justify the £100 for the controller
[15:28] <chris_99> eroomde, how do you cut your stencills
[15:28] <eroomde> but it's not necessary really
[15:28] <eroomde> i used to do it manually
[15:28] <fsphil> the controller isn't that expensive
[15:28] <Lunar_Lander> OK I got another topic that is like more serious for me
[15:28] <eroomde> chris_99: i get them made by the pcb company
[15:28] <eroomde> TOTALLY recommend it
[15:28] <Lunar_Lander> is working with proto/perfboard difficult?
[15:28] <chris_99> i saw a mini laser cutter on fleabay for £347 ;)
[15:29] <fsphil> and it means I can do other things without worrying about toasting my pcbs
[15:29] <fsphil> which I know I would
[15:29] <eroomde> get them stainless too rather than acetate sheet, they won;t flex as you smear thick solder paste across
[15:29] <chris_99> do you even need a stencil couldn't you theoretically just use a really fine dispenser
[15:29] <fsphil> I do
[15:29] <eroomde> you could in theory
[15:29] <fsphil> it's annoying
[15:29] <Lunar_Lander> eroomde, this one is also nice (the funny thing is that he first says "Actually you get money for crashes in the game") https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXrQLIekDOg
[15:29] <fsphil> the paste gets everywhere
[15:30] <chris_99> aha
[15:30] <eroomde> but that's about as sensible as using a tweezer to clean up the mess if you spilt a pack of rice grains on the floor
[15:30] <fsphil> it's easier to use an iron if you're going to apply paste manually
[15:30] <eroomde> with a stencil it's just one smear across
[15:30] <eroomde> takes about 30s
[15:31] <eroomde> and it's much much neater than you could do by hand
[15:31] <fsphil> agreed
[15:31] <eroomde> which is very useful for fine-pitch stuff
[15:31] <eroomde> http://www.flickr.com/photos/eroomde/6964019569/in/set-72157629174453806
[15:31] <fsphil> I had variable amount of solder on each pad
[15:31] <fsphil> it's really difficult to control the amount unless you have some kind of mechanical pump
[15:31] <eroomde> the paste doesn;t apply very easily
[15:32] <eroomde> because you want it fridge cold it's hard to extrude
[15:32] <fsphil> doesn't like sticking to pads
[15:32] <eroomde> v waxy
[15:32] <fsphil> prefers to cling onto the needle
[15:32] <eroomde> basically, unless you really want to cause yorkself a problem, get a stencil
[15:32] <eroomde> pcb pool even give you a free stencil
[15:32] <eroomde> with each order
[15:32] <nick_> eroomde: how big is that?
[15:32] <eroomde> how big is what?
[15:33] <nick_> That PCB
[15:33] <eroomde> http://www.flickr.com/photos/eroomde/6964024647/in/set-72157629174453806
[15:33] <nick_> Ah, that's easier
[15:35] <fsphil> I can make pcbs but I still can't design them yet. need to have another go at eagle
[15:35] <eroomde> nick_: easier than what?
[15:35] <chris_99> i found fritzing recently that seems pretty good for pcb stuff
[15:36] <nick_> Easier to see the size
[15:36] <Lunar_Lander> does it?
[15:36] <Lunar_Lander> recently someone said Fritzing isn't yet ready for PCB work
[15:36] <nick_> I find eagle quite frustrating
[15:37] <eroomde> it's quirky
[15:37] <G0DJA> What happened here?
[15:38] <G0DJA> Strange
[15:38] <eroomde> it's michael cera rather than zac efron
[15:38] <eroomde> to use an analogy you won't understand
[15:38] <G0DJA> Came back and the highaltitude tab was blank!
[15:39] <fsphil> you might have scrolled to the top of your history G0DJA
[15:40] <G0DJA> That's true, didn't think of that - Thanks fsphil I'll bear it in mind another time
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[16:16] <eroomde> Liberace
[16:16] <eroomde> :s
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[16:21] <SamSilver> off topic; could anyone point me at a site that details pc tower modding please
[16:25] <eroomde> overclockers.co.uk used to do some of that
[16:25] <eroomde> and bit-tech are into it as an enthusiast website
[16:27] <Laurenceb> rpi is being made in wales by sony
[16:27] <Laurenceb> thats... unexpected
[16:27] <daveake> Are they renaming it Leek Pi?
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[16:33] <G0DJA> Or Dragon Pi ?
[16:34] <eroomde> or
[16:34] <eroomde> raspbaa-aa-ah-rey Pi
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[16:42] <Laurenceb> rootkitpi
[16:44] <eroomde> raspberry fool
[16:44] <Laurenceb> raspberry ripple
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[16:47] <joph> neverberry pi
[16:47] <daveake> Chase car setup for the weekend - http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/sets/72157631438274028/
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[17:09] <SamSilver> daveake: have you fitted a tow hitch for the jet ski yet?
[17:09] <daveake> Already has a tow hitch :D
[17:10] <SamSilver> http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/7944324632/in/set-72157631438274028/lightbox/ ups and pc ??
[17:10] <daveake> Well "UPS" is 2 7Ah SLAs in a box :)
[17:15] <gonzo_mob> ups is a car batt!
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[17:19] <kazman> testing
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[17:23] <daveake> gonzo_mob Yeah, but I've run car batteries flat twice before. With this the PC can stay running without turning the ingnition key
[17:23] <daveake> -n
[17:24] <daveake> The SLAs cost £5 for the pair
[17:29] <craag> There's been a guy selling them really cheap at ham radio rallys recently.
[17:30] <craag> I keep meaning to put a box of them in my car. Last time I went /P I ended up having to push-start it.
[17:30] <fsphil> oops
[17:31] <fsphil> that's really neat and tidy daveake
[17:31] <daveake> craag that's where I got mine :D
[17:32] <daveake> I'd have got more but they're a bit heavy :)
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[17:32] <daveake> thanks fsphil
[17:33] <daveake> I need to hide the cables from front to back, and the aerial wires, then I'm done
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[17:40] <fsphil> how do you bring the aerial wires into the car?
[17:42] <daveake> good question
[17:43] <fsphil> lol
[17:43] <daveake> that's why I haven't done that bit yet :)
[17:43] <fsphil> sunroof seems to be the only way here, other than cutting holes :)
[17:43] <daveake> Yeah, not looked at that yet
[17:43] <daveake> Last weekend just used the back doors
[17:44] <daveake> All the door trims have large amounts of soft rubber, so they seal up well without denting the cables
[17:44] <fsphil> interesting
[17:44] <daveake> unlike the pug
[17:44] <fsphil> will have to check that
[17:45] <daveake> The rear door has rubber on the surround and on the door itself
[17:45] <fsphil> I'm pretty sure the clio only has it on the surround
[17:45] <Randomskk> yea I just use the back doors myself
[17:45] <craag> The boot door sometimes has a little more spacing on it, that's what I use on my corsa.
[17:46] <daveake> I'll do the aerials tomorrow. I have GPS, 3G and 2 UHF to do
[17:47] <craag> daveake: Do you use the BATC streamer?
[17:47] <daveake> Yes
[17:47] <daveake> Upu's account
[17:47] <craag> Do you know where I can find a guide on how to set it up?
[17:48] <daveake> I don't but it's easy enough
[17:48] <daveake> I use Adobe Flash Live something or other
[17:48] <daveake> You have to fill in the server name, user name and password
[17:48] <daveake> It has a GUI and a CLI version
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[17:49] <daveake> Seems to work quite well
[17:49] <craag> Flash Media Live Encoder?
[17:50] <daveake> That's the one
[17:50] <craag> Ok, thanks! I'll check it out.
[17:50] <daveake> All internet in the car is provided by a 3G dongle plugged into a Zoom 3G access point
[17:50] <daveake> So anything else connects to that via wifi
[17:51] <daveake> The dongle I use has an aerial connector and I have a 3G magmount aerial on the roof
[17:51] <daveake> Usually I use a t-mobile SIM which is £2 for all-you-can-eat-in-a-day
[17:52] <daveake> Last couple of launches I've used a Three SIM which was £12-something for 90 days / 3GB
[17:52] <daveake> Upu reckons a launch uses 250MB
[17:52] <daveake> Mainly the streaming :)
[17:52] <daveake> I'll have the streaming set up on Saturday
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[17:57] <Lunar_Lander> daveake, you got a awesome car
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[17:59] <gonzo_mob> dave, yoh need a ups for the car batt then!
[18:00] <daveake> gonzo_mob I was disappointed to note it only has 1 battery - some of them had 2 !
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[18:01] <daveake> The ones with 2 have a heavier duty alternator too
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[18:11] <gonzo_mob> is the batt tray in there for the 2nd?
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[18:12] <number10> car is looking good daveake
[18:12] <gonzo_mob> you can work aroind the altrrnator issud
[18:12] <daveake> Thanks, nearly there ;)
[18:12] <daveake> oh?
[18:13] <gonzo_mob> i have a voltage sensitive relay in mine. basically a fat relay with comparator
[18:13] <gonzo_mob> ties the 2nd bat in when the main batt is up to 12.8v
[18:14] <daveake> ok that works
[18:14] <daveake> Obviously the highest current (by far) is when both batteries are flat, so your relay avoids that
[18:14] <gonzo_mob> so it will only come in when it's up to charge (ish) and is out when engine off
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[18:15] <gonzo_mob> also you only crank off the main batt
[18:15] <daveake> Sounds like a nice system
[18:15] <gonzo_mob> tbh ths charge current iz not yhat high even when flatt
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[18:16] <gonzo_mob> the altrrmator works hardest when the lights and heated wondoss are running
[18:16] <gonzo_mob> windows
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[18:20] <number10> gonna have to get babel.c running on your mobile gonzo_mob - you have surpassed me for typos
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[18:37] <gonzo_mob> it's this orrible keyboard on the pjone
[18:37] <gonzo_mob> agh
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[19:24] Nick change: Upu -> UpuWork
[19:24] Nick change: UpuHome -> Upu
[19:31] <gonzo___> daveake, my dual batt system: www.g0nzo.co.uk/misc/chase/
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[19:35] <daveake> nice :)
[19:35] <number10> whats in the home brew barrel... hic
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[19:42] <gonzo___> ah, empty
[19:42] <gonzo___> all in bottles these days
[19:43] <gonzo___> that was the radar reflector experimant I did last week
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[20:47] <craag> Top one is my RTL-SDR, bottom is the 790 :( http://i.imgur.com/2CXPG.png
[20:47] <Upu> craag are you currently uploading to spacenear.us ?
[20:48] <Upu> ignore me
[20:48] <craag> Ah, haven't set them to offline, so yes to habitat but I don't have a payload document yet.
[20:48] <Randomskk> yea no worries
[20:48] <Upu> Ok its going offline for a few
[20:48] <Upu> magic is about to happen
[20:48] <Randomskk> maybe you'll get to be the first person to use the sexy new payload document generator
[20:48] <craag> :D
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[20:52] <DrLuke> ooh
[20:52] <DrLuke> so it won't use that ridiculous font anymore? :)
[20:53] <Upu> Whats up with Counter Strike Sans Serif ?
[20:53] <DrLuke> it makes me feel like filling some sort of secret stasi form
[20:55] <Randomskk> DrLuke: that was the idea
[20:55] <Randomskk> I'd been playing far too many choose your own adventure games
[20:55] <Randomskk> hence the all caps and the ridiculous instructions at the top
[20:55] <DrLuke> :)
[20:55] <Randomskk> anyway yes the new one is much more sensible
[20:56] <daveake> You are in a maze of twisted payloads, all the same
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[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:58] <craag> I also saw dl-fldigi 3.0 was tagged on github, I'm guessing that'll tie in with this habitat update?
[20:58] <Randomskk> yep
[20:59] <Randomskk> well observed
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[21:00] <DrLuke> in what language is fldigi written?
[21:00] <Lunar_Lander> english
[21:00] <Randomskk> c++ mostly
[21:00] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:00] <DrLuke> ^^
[21:02] <Laurenceb_> fldigi source code is the reason c++ scares me
[21:03] <fsphil> but it's totally one better than c :)
[21:03] <Laurenceb_> yes
[21:04] <Laurenceb_> its just.... veyr long and insanely hard to read
[21:06] <fsphil> it's a big program
[21:06] <DrLuke> I wonder if it could be integrated into gnuradio
[21:06] <DrLuke> so you could have everything running in a single window
[21:06] <fsphil> that would make it bigger :)
[21:07] <DrLuke> well
[21:07] <DrLuke> what's in it?
[21:08] <Randomskk> loads of stuff
[21:08] <fsphil> gnuradio is quite huge
[21:08] <fsphil> gqrx is built on it though and I have to say that works quite well
[21:09] <fsphil> it would be nice to have an rtty demodulator in that
[21:09] <BrainDamage> gnuradio is a lib of signal processing tools
[21:09] <BrainDamage> it's pretty nifty because you can string stuff together without much programming
[21:09] <DrLuke> yeah
[21:09] <DrLuke> it's just block with inputs and outputs, and you literally just connect them
[21:09] <DrLuke> with little arrows
[21:10] <DrLuke> it also uses python
[21:10] <Darkside> for frontend stuff anyway
[21:11] <Darkside> all the heavy duty signal processing is C/C++
[21:11] <DrLuke> yeah
[21:11] <DrLuke> of course
[21:11] <Darkside> but yes, what would be nice is an easy way to have a SSB demod which pipes into fldigi
[21:11] <Darkside> so those of us with funcube dongles, or rtl-sdrs, or even USRP's, can easily get audio into fldigi
[21:12] <jcoxon> Darkside, i agree
[21:12] <DrLuke> you can also get a sound input in gnuradio
[21:12] <DrLuke> so you could also hook up your hardware radio
[21:13] <fsphil> no reason why a simple protocol couldn't be cooked up, for piping the audio over a tcp connection
[21:14] <fsphil> one that can send commands back to it, to retune
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[21:15] <fsphil> it's getting fldigi using it is the trick
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[21:15] <DrLuke> well, you'd just need to convert it into a gnuradio block
[21:16] <DrLuke> and have an audio signal input
[21:16] <DrLuke> and a byte-stream output
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[21:17] <Darkside> probably a bit more to it than that
[21:17] <DrLuke> and have that bytestream piped to either some text output, or another block that verifies and uploads the datastrings
[21:17] <DrLuke> yeah
[21:17] <fsphil> yea it's not gonna be a simple task
[21:18] <Randomskk> I think it would be quite a lot harder
[21:18] <Randomskk> there are better ways to accomplish the same goals
[21:26] <mclane> what is the right github repository for dl-fldigi? danielrichma or jamescoxon??
[21:28] <Randomskk> hah
[21:28] <Randomskk> depends on why you're asking to an extent
[21:29] <jcoxon> jamescoxon is more 'stable'
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[21:33] <Randomskk> mclane: we'll shortly be emailing about a new dl-fldigi
[21:34] <Randomskk> so yea, it depends on what you want it for
[21:34] <mclane> what are the differences?
[21:36] <Randomskk> danielrichman's branch has had more work on it very recently to make it ready for this 3.0 release
[21:36] <Randomskk> which has not yet (?) been merged to jcoxon's
[21:36] <Randomskk> really it's just that one is jcoxon's and one is danielrichmans
[21:36] <Randomskk> +'
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[21:45] <craag> Final bug in payload code fixed :D Now to get myself some Helium!
[21:45] <Randomskk> craag: what dl-fldigi are you running?
[21:45] <Randomskk> out of interest
[21:45] <fsphil> ... that you know about craag :)
[21:45] <Randomskk> if you go to the DL settings, it has a box for the URL - what's in there?
[21:45] <craag> fsphil: Too true
[21:47] <craag> Randomskk: I'm running a version I built a while back, same version as the windows stable I think.
[21:47] <craag> URL is http://robertharrison.org/listen/
[21:48] <Randomskk> ah good and old
[21:48] <Randomskk> wanna try uploading some sentences?
[21:48] <craag> Sure, ticking online now.
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[21:48] <Randomskk> craag: okay cool so it's getting through (yay) but you don't have a config doc
[21:48] <Randomskk> perhaps you should... make one
[21:49] <Randomskk> oh it looks like you have a great fun latitude/longitude format too >.>
[21:49] <craag> Yeah I should. The launch date/location has me stumped at the moment though.
[21:49] <Randomskk> well I have some good news: you no longer need that to tell habitat about your config
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[21:49] <Randomskk> I dunno, I feel bad, DanielRichman just popped out and this is really his baby
[21:49] <Randomskk> give it a few minutes
[21:50] <Randomskk> your data is all getting through which is what I mostly wanted
[21:50] <craag> Great!
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[21:58] <Randomskk> craag: did you make a doc?
[21:59] <Randomskk> and also, what format is your lat/lng in?
[21:59] <craag> I made a configuration doc.
[21:59] <craag> It's without the '.', I thought I heard that it worked, but I can change it back.
[21:59] <Randomskk> it can definitely be made to work but it doesn't work automatically, you have to tell it
[22:00] <craag> Ok, I'll just change it in the payload, makes it more readable as well.
[22:00] <Randomskk> to be honest if you have code to make it include the . properly that is easiest, it is more readable
[22:00] <Randomskk> at the same time DanielRichman spent a lot of effort making it very easy to tell it about things like that
[22:00] <Randomskk> you just go to the latitude field, hover on the little arrow, click 'add numeric scale', then you just tell it what to multiply/divide by
[22:01] <Randomskk> in your case 1e-7 or something
[22:01] <Randomskk> but yea, if you can just change it easily I'd probably do that. >_>
[22:01] <craag> Ok, thanks!
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[22:02] <craag> The UI is awesome by the way, very easy to use!
[22:04] <DanielRichman> :-) good to hear
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[22:57] <Randomskk> Darkside: around?
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[23:13] <griffonbot> Received email: Adam Greig "[UKHAS] New stable dl-fldigi available, please upgrade!"
[23:13] <Randomskk> everybody get on that ^
[23:13] <Randomskk> and then say thanks to DanielRichman for putting hours and hours and hours into it and the related systems
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[23:13] <Randomskk> (might repeat that message tomorrow during working hours :P)
[23:14] <fsphil> time to rebuild
[23:15] <Randomskk> hahaha enjoy that
[23:15] <Randomskk> good news: jsoncpp is entirely bundled
[23:15] <fsphil> ta DanielRichman ;)
[23:15] <Randomskk> no longer needs to be on your system
[23:15] <Randomskk> and it no longer has to find it in awkward places or anything
[23:15] <fsphil> :D
[23:16] <DanielRichman> Randomskk is also deserving of credit here; definitely a habhub team production
[23:17] <Randomskk> (but honestly mostly DanielRichman, check the commit logs if you don't believe me)
[23:17] <DanielRichman> also of note is danielsaul who is responsible for the slick new habhub theme
[23:17] <Randomskk> totally. it's a beauty.
[23:19] <DanielRichman> in total it's been priyesh, myself, Randomskk, danielsaul - but we'll be talking in full about the new features and stuff @UKHAS12
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