highaltitude.log.20120830

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[00:38] <nigelvh> Afternoon
[00:39] <Lunar_Lander> hi nigelvh
[00:39] <nigelvh> How's things?
[00:41] <Lunar_Lander> good thanks and you?
[00:42] <nigelvh> Doing pretty well. Working on a project, watching cartoons, drinking a mike's.
[00:44] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[00:44] <Lunar_Lander> is that a beer brand?
[00:44] <nigelvh> Yeah, it's technically a 'beer', but it's a hard lemonade.
[00:46] <nigelvh> This is the project I'm working on. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACpA1XSbWTs
[00:47] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[00:48] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[00:48] <nigelvh> I've had this stepper motor sitting around for years, so I finally decided to sand and stain a board real nice, and make a clock/gauge out of it.
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[01:03] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[01:03] <Lunar_Lander> good idea
[01:03] <Lunar_Lander> good night :)
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[01:13] <nigelvh> Have a good'n
[01:13] <nigelvh> Oops, guess I'm too late.
[01:15] <DrLuke> ;(
[01:15] <nigelvh> How're you?
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[01:28] <DrLuke> I'm fine, you?
[01:28] <nigelvh> Doing pretty well
[01:28] <nigelvh> Just fiddling around with a project.
[01:39] <DrLuke> cool
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[05:45] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Aerospace "[UKHAS] XABEN33 posponed."
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[06:41] <Gadget-Work> UpuWork, when you arrive :)
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[06:59] <UpuWork> morning Gadget-Mac
[07:01] <Gadget-Work> Turns out my dongles do have ESD diodes
[07:02] <UpuWork> excellent
[07:02] <UpuWork> less hacking about anyway
[07:02] <UpuWork> keep the diodes :)
[07:03] <Gadget-Work> see: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6014682/IMG_20120830_073650.jpg
[07:03] <UpuWork> thats not a diode
[07:03] <Gadget-Work> Looks like there's nothing there at first glance
[07:03] <UpuWork> oh
[07:03] <UpuWork> thats a capacitor at the top
[07:03] <Gadget-Work> Yup.
[07:03] <UpuWork> the 2 under it
[07:03] <Gadget-Work> Indeed
[07:03] <UpuWork> ok fine yes
[07:04] <Gadget-Work> Will get some better pictures tonight :) Always worth documenting
[07:04] <UpuWork> indeed
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[07:47] <Merv> a
[07:50] <UpuWork> b ?
[07:50] <zyp> f
[07:50] <UpuWork> non conformist
[07:51] <zyp> :)
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[07:54] <Merv> anything happening today? I thought there was a launch?
[07:54] <UpuWork> XABEN is scrubbed due to rain
[07:54] <UpuWork> not heard from cuddykid yt
[07:54] <UpuWork> yet
[07:55] <SamSilver> you mean washed?
[07:55] <SamSilver> out
[07:55] <UpuWork> same difference ?
[07:55] <SamSilver> less chance of puncture if washed as opposed to scrubbed
[07:56] <SamSilver> cancelled would be another story
[07:56] <Merv> bright blue sky down here in Sussex
[07:57] <SamSilver> what say you on the odds of cuddy also being rained apon, how far apart are they?
[07:57] <UpuWork> no idea you can launch in the rain but its not much fun
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[07:58] <SamSilver> off home now, 71 step commute from office to home, be back in a jiffy
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[07:59] <cuddykid> morning
[07:59] <UpuWork> morning cuddykid
[07:59] <UpuWork> you launching ?
[07:59] <cuddykid> hiya UpuWork - yep :)
[07:59] <UpuWork> I forgot to plug the Yagi in :/
[07:59] <cuddykid> hopefully have it off around 11:30
[08:00] <cuddykid> ah no worries :)
[08:00] <UpuWork> ok I'll have to track you on the SDR
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[08:01] <x-f> http://spaceflightnow.com/atlas/av032/status.html - Atlas V launch in 5 minutes
[08:01] <x-f> 4
[08:01] <cuddykid> WillDuckworth is tying his tracker payload on the bottom too - he's on 750
[08:01] <Merv> whats the balloon name and where you launching from?
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[08:02] <cuddykid> Merv: "HABE" and launching from north worcester
[08:02] <cuddykid> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=f900ce94c2f8c81d000d2f14db557e1f8f1487b6
[08:03] <cuddykid> just bang in chipping norton into the sat nav I think
[08:03] <Merv> ok ta
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[08:23] <cuddykid> it's rather windy here on the ground
[08:23] <cuddykid> should be interesting filling and launching
[08:23] <cuddykid> last time it swing right down and almost hit the ground - and it wasn't as windy as today!
[08:28] <RocketBoy> has anyone else noticed that the predictor has gone back to being flaky in the last few weeks - I guess its a wind pattern thing
[08:31] <cuddykid> RocketBoy: yep, it's been giving me some very odd predictions for certain times
[08:32] <RocketBoy> it was mostly OK for several months prior to that
[08:33] <RocketBoy> but was flaky in the first months of the year
[08:34] <RocketBoy> I thought someone had fixed the bug - but looks like it was just the wind patterns
[08:36] <RocketBoy> hey cuddykid : when do you think ypur flight will be over - I may fly then
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[08:45] <Hix> morning fsphil want to send me the info for giving you some money?
[08:47] <fsphil> morning Hix, see PM
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[08:56] <cuddykid> Hi RocketBoy - I'm hoping to get underway by 11:30 - and then it should be over by 1:30/2 ish
[08:57] <RocketBoy> thanks - I'll start running some predictions from then
[08:58] <cuddykid> I would get it off earlier but there are some people coming to watch who can't get here much earlier unfortunately
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[08:58] <RocketBoy> (if it stops locking up)
[08:58] <RocketBoy> np
[08:59] <cuddykid> yeah, it's giving me dodgy predictions between around 2 and 5 today
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[09:01] <Hix> ping DrLuke
[09:01] <griffonbot> Received email: Adam Cudworth "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Potential Launch This Thursday (30/08/2012) -
[09:02] <cuddykid> fingers crossed the weather holds off - the clouds do look threatening though
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[09:07] <danielsaul> RocketBoy: What ascent rate & burst altitude are you expecting for a 100g balloon?
[09:08] <RocketBoy> aiming for about 4m/sec and 15km burst
[09:09] <RocketBoy> but we will see
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[09:15] <cuddykid> righty ho - heading down to launch site, hopefully launch by 11:30 ish - but you know my launches.. lol
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[09:19] <Penfold> /away out to launch? :D
[09:21] <fsphil> biting into a kitkat with some foil still on it: fail
[09:21] <kokey> some people don't use screen or one of those proxies you can attach back to
[09:21] <daveake> lol fsphil
[09:21] <daveake> Done that :(
[09:21] <Darkside> heh
[09:21] <kokey> weird sense of deja vu now
[09:21] <Darkside> my server dropped off the web
[09:21] <Darkside> which was a pain
[09:21] <kokey> someone on here did the biting into the foil thing not that long ago on here
[09:21] <Darkside> i haven't got my irssi configuration saved properly
[09:22] <kokey> and I had to look it up, and it's because the foil with metal fillings makes a battery that stimulates the tooth's nerves
[09:22] <fsphil> that explains the taste
[09:22] <kokey> Darkside: heh, same here, so joining all the channels and networks, it took ages to get the order back the way I wanted it to
[09:23] <kokey> and then I didn't save it again and had to do that all over again recently
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[09:23] <Darkside> kokey: theres apparnerlt some way to save it properly
[09:23] <Darkside> and handle nickserv auth
[09:28] <navrac_work> RocketBoy - how much roughly are the 100g balloons? - they could be handy for testing my relief valves. Also could you hazard a guess on how much gas is needed for a 60g slow rising payload
[09:28] <MrScienceMan> https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/295944_4131057167389_639123057_n.jpg
[09:29] <UpuWork> how did you take that MrScienceMan ?
[09:29] <MrScienceMan> photoshop
[09:29] <navrac_work> ah cheat!
[09:30] <daveake> I assumed it was a gopro on a quadcopter
[09:30] <kokey> navrac_work: they're roughly 0.1kg
[09:30] <Darkside> this is why i want a AR Drone 2
[09:30] <MrScienceMan> daveake: next time, why not :D
[09:30] <daveake> indeed
[09:30] Action: kokey gets his coat
[09:30] <Darkside> also the AR Drone 2 has a 720p camera on it
[09:30] <Darkside> shit lens of course
[09:31] <MrScienceMan> i've always wanted one of the quadcopters that can lift a dslr
[09:31] <Darkside> but they can be made to carry a gopro
[09:31] <daveake> kokey tsk!
[09:31] <kokey> that the parrot one?
[09:31] <navrac_work> ok how much do the 100fg balloons cost.....
[09:31] <Darkside> kokey: yeah
[09:31] <Darkside> i'd be a little bit wary about flying it anywhere near the balloon tho
[09:31] <kokey> awesome
[09:31] <MrScienceMan> Darkside: for a shot like that
[09:31] <MrScienceMan> its totally worth it
[09:31] <Darkside> MrScienceMan: well i wouldn't get that close..
[09:31] <Darkside> given how the balloons bob around a lot
[09:31] <Darkside> but i'd try and film a launch from it
[09:31] <MrScienceMan> i've been to wierd places with my DSLR
[09:31] <UpuWork> I like the picture though
[09:32] <MrScienceMan> in wierd poses as well
[09:32] <MrScienceMan> worth it everytime
[09:32] <Darkside> the other option is to use a cherrypicker
[09:32] <UpuWork> can we use it on the Wiki somewhere if needed ?
[09:32] <Darkside> and make bloody sure you know the wind direction
[09:32] <daveake> Need a big cherry picker for some of my flight trains :D
[09:32] <MrScienceMan> UpuWork: no probs, as long as there credit to the author
[09:32] <UpuWork> You ?
[09:32] <Darkside> daveake: hah yep
[09:32] <MrScienceMan> yep
[09:33] <Darkside> we were going to fake a launch with a cherrypicker for a tv crew
[09:33] <UpuWork> PM me your name and a link to website
[09:33] <Darkside> but they ended up using footage from another launch we did for them
[09:33] <Darkside> can't wiat for that segment to come out
[09:33] <Darkside> its going to look so dodgy
[09:33] <Darkside> i had to hold my laptop, while covring up the apple logo the entire time
[09:33] <Darkside> yet the tor project logo was perfectly visible
[09:34] <kokey> haha
[09:35] <Darkside> bbl
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[09:45] <navrac_work> no sign of habe on the tracker yet
[09:50] <Penfold> [10:15] <cuddykid> righty ho - heading down to launch site, hopefully launch by 11:30 ish - but you know my launches.. lol
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[10:04] <navrac_work> ah habes on the tracker
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[10:04] <UpuWork> on time
[10:04] <navrac_work> ah no it isnt - thats lumia'
[10:04] <UpuWork> lol
[10:04] <UpuWork> was about to say
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[10:08] <navrac_work> would be nice if space near showed freq/baud/parity/stop &shift on one line by the balloon
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[10:09] <fsphil> the title bit usually does
[10:09] <UpuWork> well given the new autoconfigure should work properly its possibly redundant
[10:09] <fsphil> true
[10:11] <navrac_work> oh true - I'd forgotten that autoconfig works on the newer version
[10:12] <daveake> You still need the frequency
[10:13] <daveake> I suppose autoconfigure /could/ set that, and aim the yagi, and make the tea ...
[10:13] <gonzo_> and make the bacon butties?
[10:13] <UpuWork> still need a Julie(TM) V1.0 for that
[10:14] <daveake> True :)
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[10:19] <UpuWork> Habe is on the map now
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[10:49] <Hix> does anyone use barometric sensors as altimeters?
[10:50] <joph> nobody? :D
[10:50] <Penfold> navrac_work: funny, I was just looking at spacenear and thinking 'hrm, needs a frequency line soemwhere' :D
[10:50] <navrac_work> its sometimes in the title box
[10:53] <cuddykid> extremely windy here
[10:53] <cuddykid> it's up
[10:54] <Hix> be interesting to see the error from the standard atmospheric model at different heights. more so high up when temp becomes warmer again
[10:56] <Upu_M0UPU> ground frequency ?
[10:56] <cuddykid> 650
[10:56] <cuddykid> actual 648
[10:57] <Hix> WDHAB must be on a pong payload train ;p
[10:57] <Hix> *long
[10:57] <Hix> 81 vs 1549
[10:58] <LazyLeopard> Streeeeeeetchy, too... ;)
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[11:01] <Hix> it is a piggyback payload isn't it?
[11:01] <Upu_M0UPU> yep
[11:02] <Upu_M0UPU> no one else got it yet ?
[11:02] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm.... getting about 95% of each line, possibly...
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[11:03] <daveake> Only just spotted it. I'd forgotten that this is the one with the ginormous audio shift
[11:04] Nick change: LazyLeopard -> LazyL_M0LEP
[11:04] <daveake> Lots of crap around that frequency here atm
[11:04] <Upu_M0UPU> I can see it
[11:05] <Upu_M0UPU> 850 shift
[11:05] <daveake> I didn't put the mast up, so I'm using a yagi in the loft
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[11:05] Action: LazyL_M0LEP is using the outdoor colinear. Hope those thunderstorms stay away...
[11:05] <daveake> :)
[11:08] <daveake> $$HAB,40<<ZAP>>
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[11:08] <Laurenceb> what is WDHAB?
[11:09] <LazyL_M0LEP> So far, just grey cloud. No thunder...
[11:09] <Upu_M0UPU> WillDuckworth's payload
[11:09] <Laurenceb> why 81 meters?
[11:09] <Upu_M0UPU> long elastic Laurenceb keep watching
[11:09] <Upu_M0UPU> is anyone on WDHAB ?
[11:10] <SamSilver> no unmaned
[11:10] <SamSilver> sorry
[11:10] <Upu_M0UPU> I forgot to plug in the Yagi
[11:11] <LazyL_M0LEP> What frequency is WDHAB?
[11:11] <Upu_M0UPU> cuddykid ?
[11:11] <daveake> infrequent
[11:11] <LazyL_M0LEP> ;)
[11:11] <Upu_M0UPU> heh
[11:11] <cuddykid> 750 i think
[11:11] <Upu_M0UPU> HABAmp working lovely
[11:11] <Upu_M0UPU> slow ascent cuddykid you usign H2 again ?
[11:12] <daveake> He
[11:12] <daveake> Free He
[11:12] <Upu_M0UPU> oh
[11:12] <Upu_M0UPU> floaty time ?
[11:12] <LazyL_M0LEP> Ok. I'll go have a look for it...
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[11:14] <Upu_M0UPU> 1600g balloon cuddykid ?
[11:15] <LazyL_M0LEP> Hmmm... Can't hear anything HAB-like between .730 and .760
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[11:16] <Hix> EDHAB died after launch then?
[11:16] <x-f> LazyL_M0LEP, try 434.075
[11:16] <Hix> *WD
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[11:19] <LazyL_M0LEP> Ooops!
[11:19] <LazyL_M0LEP> Yes, something very faint there.
[11:20] <LazyL_M0LEP> .0736
[11:21] <LazyL_M0LEP> 434.073.6 decoding about 5% on a good line...
[11:21] <Upu_M0UPU> just texted the wife to see if she's home and can plug the Yagi in
[11:21] <navrac_work> got all bar 1 char on wdhab - too much local qrm pulsing over it
[11:22] <LazyL_M0LEP> Seen $$WDHAB come past once or twice, though, so it is the correct payload.
[11:22] <navrac_work> got one
[11:22] <Upu_M0UPU> whats the deal with its altitude ? :)
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[11:22] <cuddykid> i'm driving
[11:23] <cuddykid> 1000g balloon
[11:23] <Upu_M0UPU> ok thx
[11:23] <cuddykid> heading for m42 south now
[11:23] <navrac_work> no gps from wdhab
[11:23] <navrac_work> and altitude now odder
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[11:27] <LazyL_M0LEP> WDHAB looks a little too weak for this set-up. I'll flip back to HABE.
[11:27] <navrac_work> wdhab is very very weak compared to habe
[11:28] <LazyL_M0LEP> Yeah. My colinear's just not up to seeing it strongly enough.
[11:29] <navrac_work> i can get it ok - but with so much preamplification going on the local qrm keeps knocking out one bit every sentence
[11:29] <Upu_M0UPU> using the HABAmp ?
[11:30] <navrac_work> yep - cant tell its even there without it
[11:30] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah they are good :)
[11:30] <navrac_work> its solidly readable now - creeping above the local qrm
[11:31] <Upu_M0UPU> I boxed mine last night its very neat, chucked it behind the monitor hence the dust :
[11:31] <Upu_M0UPU> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/63720513/Images/HAB/HAB%20Filter/IMG_0844.JPG
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[11:32] <navrac_work> i see there bringing out a funcube dongle pro-plus with the saws built in
[11:32] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah I read
[11:33] <Upu_M0UPU> suspect price may be going up though
[11:33] <navrac_work> I'd show you a pic of my hab amp...but I'd get too embarassed
[11:33] <navrac_work> yep - the fabrication cost will go right up with components on both sides - plus the extra parts
[11:34] <navrac_work> sadly I only had reverse sma connectors in stock - so a resistor leg has to act as a pin at the moment!
[11:34] <Upu_M0UPU> lol
[11:34] <Upu_M0UPU> sounds pikey
[11:35] <Upu_M0UPU> Should have said I have some RP end launches I ordered in by accident
[11:36] <gonzo_> I suspect the filtered FCD is for the educational market. So may keep the costs down. But for bonafide schools
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[11:37] <navrac_work> I've got loads of rev sma and rev tnc connectors lying around
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[11:39] <navrac_work> altitude is working on wdhabe now
[11:39] <Laurenceb> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Hacker%20Spaces
[11:43] <fsphil> 850hz shift?
[11:43] <fsphil> that's an odd choice
[11:43] <Upu_M0UPU> 800
[11:43] <Upu_M0UPU> he never changed the resistors :)
[11:46] <gonzo_> rev-sma's are usually the leftovers after changing them for proper ones
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[11:49] <navrac_work> I did a lot of long range wifi years ago and they are just left overs
[11:49] <Upu_M0UPU> oh
[11:49] <Upu_M0UPU> WDHAB GPS lives
[11:49] <navrac_work> certainly does
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[11:58] <Laurenceb> pressure seems too low
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[12:00] <WillDuckworth> wdhab - i knew i needed to do more work on it - rather than just plug it in and hope for the best........
[12:01] <WillDuckworth> got a small coil antenna on it too - good skills navrac
[12:02] <navrac_work> its not a strong signal here - at least 25db less than habe
[12:02] <navrac_work> if it wasnt for the thunderstorm and some regular qrm knocking bits off it I've got a pretty continuous set of data here if yuo want it
[12:03] <Merv> good signal in sussex
[12:03] <navrac_work> very little drift too - havent had to retune yet
[12:04] <WillDuckworth> cheers navrac - purely an experimental antenna flight - lots of insulation
[12:04] <WillDuckworth> can def see the strength difference
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[12:05] <navrac_work> from here the difference is huge. Though I think if it had been a couple of hundred khz higher I could have got a 100% capture rate
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[12:07] <DrLuke> yeah Hix?
[12:08] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Aerospace "Re: [UKHAS] XABEN33 posponed."
[12:09] <Laurenceb> 33
[12:09] <Laurenceb> thats insane
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[12:10] <x-f> some men just want to see the world from above
[12:11] <Laurenceb> 82Pa? theres no way the pressure is that low
[12:11] <Laurenceb> whats it measuring?
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[12:13] <RocketBoy> anyone know how high HABE should get (just timing my exit to launch)
[12:14] <daveake> At this rate might even float
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[12:14] <Hix> Hi DrLuke when you mentioned the uBlox NEO-6 had onboard memory, the spec sheet doesn't seem to agree
[12:14] <WillDuckworth> Laurenceb - kPa
[12:14] <daveake> It's a 1000g. Dunno what payload weight though
[12:14] <DrLuke> hix, let me check
[12:14] <Hix> just wanted to check as fsphil wasn't too sure either, no point in buying one if it's same as MAX-6
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[12:14] <WillDuckworth> approx 1kg payload
[12:14] <Hix> DrLuke: http://www.u-blox.com/images/downloads/Product_Docs/NEO-6_ProductSummary_%28GPS.G6-HW-09003%29.pdf
[12:14] <Upu_M0UPU> how much gas did you put in it WillDuckworth ?
[12:14] <Laurenceb> WillDuckworth: then pressure is too high
[12:15] <Hix> http://www.u-blox.com/images/downloads/Product_Docs/LEA-6_ProductSummary_%28GPS.G6-HW-09002%29.pdf
[12:15] <daveake> At a guess of 500g, that's about 34km
[12:15] <DrLuke> http://www.u-blox.com/images/downloads/Product_Docs/u-blox6_ReceiverDescriptionProtocolSpec_%28GPS.G6-SW-10018%29.pdf
[12:15] <DrLuke> page 26, bottom diagarm
[12:15] <daveake> which makes it ~14:20 burst
[12:15] <WillDuckworth> not too sure on neck lift unfortunately
[12:16] <daveake> So you'll be OK to launch from about 3pm
[12:16] <DrLuke> Hix: and it DOES save, I've unplugged it completely from power (wtihout removing the backup battery though), and it still had everything
[12:16] <Hix> DrLuke: are you confusing with the pulse question someone else had?
[12:16] <Hix> ahhh, battery backup stores it.
[12:17] <DrLuke> ?
[12:17] <DrLuke> well
[12:17] <DrLuke> I have no idea quite frankly
[12:17] <Upu_M0UPU> it doesn't have any NV RAM you need a battery
[12:17] <daveake> OK, 1000g --> 32km --> burst about 14:10
[12:17] <Upu_M0UPU> or the external I2C RAM
[12:17] <Hix> Upu_M0UPU: that's what me and fsphil weer thinking
[12:18] <Hix> LEA-6 seems to have EEPROM onboard
[12:18] <Hix> *were
[12:18] <Upu_M0UPU> thats a bigger module though
[12:18] <Hix> yeah, found out
[12:18] <Upu_M0UPU> I maybe able to get some of those if you want them
[12:18] <Upu_M0UPU> just let me know
[12:18] Action: Penfold growls at IT, who have finally *finally* after four frodding weeks got me an IP phone that does more than just acts as an ethernet switch for my laptop. Hopefully I'll stop bouncing now.
[12:18] <Hix> was going to buy fsphil's module but it no NV then not useful for my purpose
[12:19] <Upu_M0UPU> you can put it on fairly easy
[12:20] <Hix> to be honest Upu_M0UPU it's probably easier to add an EEPROM to a MAX-6 using your new board man :)
[12:20] <DrLuke> Hix: just use a backup battery with your max
[12:20] <Upu_M0UPU> I'll see if its viable to put the pads on there
[12:20] <Upu_M0UPU> but yes battery is better option
[12:20] <DrLuke> it weighs next to nothing, certainly less than an eeprom ic with all the wires
[12:20] <Upu_M0UPU> new board has a battery clip on it
[12:21] <DrLuke> quite frankly I would solder the battery
[12:21] <DrLuke> it can always fall out of a clip for whatever reason
[12:21] <Hix> I was looking into something really small that didn't have to rely on battery DrLuke
[12:21] <Upu_M0UPU> these are the PCB mount ones DrLuke its likely to come out
[12:21] <Hix> wanted something that could run without ever needing configuring
[12:21] <Upu_M0UPU> the batteries are really small
[12:22] <DrLuke> hix: fair enough, but batteries last pretty long
[12:22] <DrLuke> I'd be so bold and say a year or 2
[12:22] <Upu_M0UPU> its this one : ome of those if you want them
[12:22] <Upu_M0UPU> [13:18] <Upu_M0UPU> just let me know
[12:22] <Upu_M0UPU> meh
[12:22] <Upu_M0UPU> https://picasaweb.google.com/118244444241111963790/201203ProjectSwift#5721675666675961794
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[12:23] <Gadget-Work> Upu_M0UPU, you really should stop doing that, it makes me reach for the CC every time
[12:23] <Upu_M0UPU> lol
[12:23] <Upu_M0UPU> its not even made yet
[12:23] <Upu_M0UPU> just ideas in my head/Eagle directory
[12:24] <Gadget-Work> Still those photo's are pretty neat :)
[12:24] <Upu_M0UPU> that board isn't for sale
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[12:25] <Upu_M0UPU> thats an interesting pattern its making
[12:25] <cuddykid_mob> stopped at cherwell services
[12:25] <cuddykid_mob> ascent is worryingly slow
[12:26] <Upu_M0UPU> whats predicted burst cuddykid_mob ?
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[12:26] <Upu_M0UPU> or not
[12:26] <Upu_M0UPU> yay mobile communications
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[12:26] <Hix> :D
[12:26] <cuddykid_mob> Upu_M0UPU, hoping 35km
[12:26] <Upu_M0UPU> ok
[12:27] <cuddykid_mob> this one looks a floater possibly
[12:27] <cuddykid_mob> hope the vid cam is still rolling
[12:27] <Upu_M0UPU> if it was a 1600g absolutely
[12:27] <Upu_M0UPU> 1000g not sure lets see
[12:27] <cuddykid_mob> 1000g
[12:27] <cuddykid_mob> yeag
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[12:28] <Upu_M0UPU> 1000g Hwoyee ?
[12:28] <cuddykid_mob> yep
[12:28] <Upu_M0UPU> oh
[12:28] <Upu_M0UPU> :)
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[12:30] <Upu_M0UPU> on the plus side its a very stable signal
[12:30] <Upu_M0UPU> I've hardly had to retune
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[12:32] <cuddykid> anyone know why the live prediction isn't showing?
[12:33] <cuddykid> WillDuckworth: hiya - are you at home?
[12:33] <Upu_M0UPU> it is
[12:33] <Upu_M0UPU> I'm just updating it
[12:33] <cuddykid> back again - cheers!
[12:33] <Upu_M0UPU> give it a few mins
[12:33] <WillDuckworth> hi cuddykid - yes home
[12:33] <Upu_M0UPU> I did it at 10am so rerunning
[12:33] <cuddykid> WillDuckworth: cool - we're at cherwell services atm
[12:33] <cuddykid> Upu_M0UPU: thanks! :)
[12:34] <cuddykid> we'll sit here for a bit until burst
[12:34] <Upu_M0UPU> there you go updated
[12:34] <Upu_M0UPU> going to Daves
[12:35] <WillDuckworth> going to be a while i reckon
[12:35] <Upu_M0UPU> ascent rate is increasing slightly
[12:35] <daveake> Chipping Norton? Nice place, but an hour from here
[12:35] <Upu_M0UPU> Doesn't Clarkson live there ?
[12:36] <daveake> Somewhere round there yes
[12:36] <daveake> See if you can land on his Jaaaaaag
[12:36] <daveake> I think he's in LA atm
[12:36] <cuddykid> lol
[12:36] <Penfold> drop it on the stage at Cropredy? (oh, wait, you're a few weeks late :D)
[12:43] <Randomskk> hmm
[12:43] <Randomskk> joey's case is to be a SAE
[12:44] <Upu_M0UPU> lol
[12:44] <Randomskk> provides padding, insulation, return by way of mail
[12:44] <fsphil> hah
[12:44] <Upu_M0UPU> thats a good idea actually
[12:44] <daveake> International mail?
[12:44] <Upu_M0UPU> I have some nice plastic envelopes :)
[12:44] <Randomskk> daveake: not that opt/pessimistic
[12:44] <Randomskk> 100g latex balloon
[12:44] <daveake> par avion
[12:44] <daveake> (both ways)
[12:44] <Randomskk> haha
[12:45] <Randomskk> just gonna tape the envelope onto the neck of the balloon
[12:45] Nick change: junderwood -> junderwood_M0JCU
[12:45] <fsphil> I forgot to connect my fcd up again
[12:47] <Upu_M0UPU> leaving mine plugged in all the time now
[12:48] <fsphil> I'll get mine in the box first
[12:48] <fsphil> easy enough to drill aluminium?
[12:48] <daveake> very
[12:49] <fsphil> I'm not massivly good at drilling stuff but we'll see :)
[12:50] <daveake> I don't think I even bothered with a pilot hole let alone punching first, but it depends on your drill bit
[12:51] <daveake> The next stage of the HABMobile ... http://imgur.com/a/mO5bF#0
[12:51] <fsphil> oh sweet
[12:51] <fsphil> love where you got the 817
[12:51] <daveake> Second DIN slot
[12:52] <daveake> Had a little compartment before, for coins/keys/whatever, and with a lid tastefully covered in wood stuff
[12:52] <daveake> Right now the 817 is just sat there, but it'll be fixed in place soon
[12:53] <fsphil> when I change this car eventually, I'll be looking for spaces for radios and hab things
[12:54] <LazyL_M0LEP> Oops. WDHAB has altitude issues again...
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[12:55] <jdtanner> Afternoon...what is the config for HABE as it isn;t autoconfiguring for me
[12:56] <daveake> 800Hz / 50 / 8 / N / 1
[12:57] <jdtanner> Thanks...fldigi doesn't seem to have the correct information ;)
[12:57] <LazyL_M0LEP> The autoconfig sets the shift to 1000.
[12:58] <jdtanner> Mine was set to 10 for some reason
[12:58] <jdtanner> Anyway...loud and clear from the Peak District :)
[12:58] <cuddykid> yeah, it's all over the place - sorry about that!
[12:58] <cuddykid> good stuff jdtanner thanks for tracking
[12:58] <daveake> cuddykid I can send you some free resistors :)
[12:58] <jdtanner> No problemo
[12:58] <cuddykid> lol daveake
[12:58] <Merv> set fo 850hz and that seems fine for me
[13:00] <fsphil> he couldn't resist
[13:02] <Hix> ohm my gosh the jokes are as bad as ever
[13:02] <jdtanner> I'm not appearing on the tracker for some reason :(
[13:02] <Upu_M0UPU> I saw PEAKSKY a moment ago
[13:02] <jdtanner> Cool...maybe just my slow broadband connection :)
[13:03] <cuddykid> padding issue fixed then :)
[13:03] <cuddykid> many "no GPS" strings?
[13:03] <cuddykid> turned the radio off here to save batts
[13:03] <Upu_M0UPU> none
[13:04] <WillDuckworth> got to go - good luck cuddykid
[13:04] <cuddykid> WillDuckworth: thanks! Will keep you posted via text
[13:04] <cuddykid> Upu_M0UPU: good
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[13:06] <daveake> Ascent rate slowing down
[13:06] <cuddykid> no!
[13:06] <daveake> Well I said ...
[13:06] <cuddykid> damn
[13:06] <daveake> daveake> OK, 1000g --> 32km --> burst about 14:10
[13:07] <cuddykid> nice one
[13:07] <daveake> It sped up after that
[13:07] <cuddykid> at least high alt winds are slow
[13:07] <daveake> 1kg payload?
[13:07] <cuddykid> about that
[13:07] <cuddykid> 950g
[13:07] <daveake> ok
[13:07] <cuddykid> ish
[13:07] <daveake> Hwoyee?
[13:07] <cuddykid> yep
[13:08] <fsphil> ah
[13:08] <daveake> Who knows then :D
[13:08] <fsphil> mysteree
[13:08] <cuddykid> all part of the fun
[13:09] <daveake> Suspended in the atmosphere
[13:09] <daveake> Waiting to come through
[13:09] <daveake> Sometimes it's so far away
[13:09] <daveake> Sometimes it's very near
[13:09] <daveake> It's a mystery, oh, it's a mystery
[13:09] <daveake> I'm still searching for a clue
[13:09] <daveake> It's a mystery to me
[13:09] <navrac_work> wdhab just went down quick -32000 now
[13:09] <cuddykid> wills is approaching centre of earth
[13:09] <cuddykid> lol
[13:10] <cuddykid> hard landing
[13:10] <navrac_work> looks like an overflow going on
[13:10] <Upu_M0UPU> don't tell jgc
[13:11] <Upu_M0UPU> he'll rage
[13:11] <navrac_work> could have been picked up with testing :-)
[13:11] <SamSilver> 3.1 m/s
[13:12] <cuddykid> want to break my previous high of 35.8km ish
[13:12] <Laurenceb> lol int16
[13:12] <navrac_work> yep
[13:12] <daveake> You might, but TBH You need a 1200 for that
[13:13] <LazyL_M0LEP> Burst?
[13:13] <daveake> yep
[13:13] <navrac_work> ooh wdghaB wooly
[13:13] <cuddykid> yep
[13:13] <cuddykid> time to mobilise
[13:13] Action: fsphil plays the a-team theme
[13:14] <Upu_M0UPU> you're up RocketBoy :)
[13:14] <daveake> Need a black HAB-Van
[13:16] <SamSilver> -## m/s now
[13:16] <SamSilver> pop time
[13:17] <daveake> "Max. Altitude: 32767 m" .... bit of a giveaway :D
[13:19] <navrac_work> sounds hauntingly familiar....
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[13:21] <jdtanner> Last decode for me was at 17km
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[13:27] <daveake> ermm /////
[13:28] <daveake> $$HABE,1197,13:27:15,5.3795,-1.5501,0*3F
[13:28] <navrac_work> wdhabs signal is jumping all over the palce
[13:28] <navrac_work> random 200hz swhifts
[13:29] <daveake> HABE went to Africa
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[13:30] <DrLuke> haha
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[13:31] <navrac_work> wdhabe is like a bucking bronco ride now 1khz jumps
[13:31] <daveake> Battery 3.5V ... wonder if that's anything to do with it
[13:32] <navrac_work> yep its now taking long gaps between sentences
[13:32] <navrac_work> and the shift is getting smaller
[13:33] <navrac_work> yep battery failure -
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[13:33] <DrLuke> aww, that sucks :(
[13:34] <navrac_work> well, its all about learning from mistakes
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[13:41] <DrLuke> indeed
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[13:50] <LazyL_M0LEP> Hmmm... Landing location doesn't look too bad from that latest fix...
[13:51] <gonzo_> was there a payload, other than the tracker?
[13:51] <Hix> reckon so ~950g apparently
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[13:51] <gonzo_> ouch, hope the chute deployed!
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[13:52] <Upu_M0UPU> looks like Adam is in range of it
[13:52] <LazyL_M0LEP> Yeah... Descent does look to have been a bit fast...
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[13:53] <Upu_M0UPU> what was the decent rate ?
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[13:53] <daveake> 6.something ISTR
[13:53] <Upu_M0UPU> Seen worse
[13:53] <daveake> yep
[13:54] <gonzo_> not from below I hope
[13:54] <gonzo_> was told by someone in the demolitions trade. always looks up. If you see the lumps moving, they will miss you
[13:55] <gonzo_> if they stay fixed in the sky, run till they are moving again
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[13:59] <daveake> I've just used a t-piece and a couple of short BNC-BNC cables to splt my antenna signal
[13:59] <mclane> what happened to WDHAB??
[13:59] <daveake> sorry wrong window :)
[14:01] <navrac_work> it overflowed its altitude variable so went -ve . then after it burst the battery fell to 3.3v and the signal jumped around too much to track
[14:02] <jdtanner> Have we got another flight today?
[14:03] <daveake> XABEN<some_big_number>
[14:04] <DrLuke> XABEN33
[14:05] <DrLuke> the mail says it will launch once habe landed
[14:05] <navrac_work> i think it depends on the rain clearing - he's currently about 20 miles from me and its still raining here
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[14:13] <cuddykid_mob> about 500m from payload
[14:13] <cuddykid_mob> walking to retrieve
[14:14] <cuddykid_mob> had a bit of offroading - put it this way - nearly recked the mini lol
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[14:15] <daveake> You need a 4x4 :p
[14:15] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: Excellent #HABE flight - now landed in a field - walking to retrieve #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/241177441090035712]
[14:16] <cuddykid_mob> daveake, definately!
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[14:16] <Upu_M0UPU> ---/\ just walked into a tree
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[14:19] <jiffe98> did it stabalize or how did you track it to the ground?
[14:20] <navrac_work> wdhabe was on the same balloon as habe
[14:22] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: Have a visual on #HABE - other side of a tree/bush line - missed trees by 1m! #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/241178999613689856]
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[14:24] <Hix> does griffonbot atutmatically pick up on #UKHAS then?
[14:24] <Upu_M0UPU> yep
[14:24] <Hix> cool
[14:27] <Hix> I'm set up as @nearspaceimages
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[14:30] <Daviey> Hix: 2. ??
[14:30] <Daviey> Hix: 3. Profit
[14:32] <Hix> Daviey: ?
[14:40] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: #HABE has been recovered #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/241183603600527360]
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[14:44] <DrLuke> nice
[14:48] <LazyLeopard> Good :)
[14:48] <Upu_M0UPU> well done
[14:49] <LazyLeopard> Hopefully WDHAB was still attached... ;)
[14:49] <daveake> By a long stretchy cord :D
[14:51] <LazyLeopard> ;)
[14:51] <LazyLeopard> The negative 31 kms altitude was a bit worrying... ;)
[14:52] <Hix> maybe the stretchy cord was responsible for the initial slow climb rate ;)
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[15:07] <RocketBoy> yo
[15:08] <Upu_M0UPU> hello
[15:08] <daveake> All ready?
[15:08] <Upu_M0UPU> let it go
[15:08] <Upu_M0UPU> not on tracker btw
[15:15] <Hix> where is daveake launching? Brightwalton?
[15:16] <daveake> If only he knew
[15:16] <daveake> Depends on CAA and predictions
[15:16] <daveake> I'll let everyone know when I do :D
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[15:17] <Hix> ahh sorry, thats Sunday its Steve whos supposed to be launching after Adam isn't it?
[15:17] <daveake> Yes
[15:18] <Hix> this is what happens when you start doing some work, you get all mixed up. best not to start ;)
[15:23] <RocketBoy> its away
[15:24] <RocketBoy> gee it was wundy
[15:24] <Upu_M0UPU> cool ground frequency ?
[15:25] <G8KNN-Jon> dial is 434.949
[15:25] <G8KNN-Jon> 434.649
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[15:53] <Upu_M0UPU> navrac_work ready to catch it ?
[15:53] Nick change: Upu_M0UPU -> UpuWork
[15:53] Nick change: Upu -> Upu_M0UPU
[15:54] <navrac_work> i'll get my biggest butterfly net
[15:55] <UpuWork> right lets see if I can get home before it bursts bbs
[15:56] <LazyL_M0LEP> Sounds like it's getting a little dizzy up there...
[15:57] <navrac_work> is there a landing prediction for this flight?
[15:58] <Hix> its Pulham Market at the mo
[15:58] <Hix> A140
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[16:02] <navrac_work> I'll get my dad to grab it then...
[16:03] <gonzo__> one hab and 5lb of spuds please
[16:09] <Hix> right I'm escaping work off doon the M1 - have a good flight
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[16:12] <Randomskk> right
[16:12] <Randomskk> tracking antenna for the weekend setup
[16:12] <Randomskk> http://www.flickr.com/photos/chaoticeunoia/7894536484/in/set-72157631320299140
[16:13] <Randomskk> http://www.flickr.com/photos/chaoticeunoia/7894539434/in/set-72157631320299140/
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[16:16] <number10> I always thought radio ham hooby was more mechanical than radio
[16:16] <number10> -o +b
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[16:19] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[16:19] <Lunar_Lander> XABEN is bound to burst at 14 km?
[16:22] <navrac_work> looks like that antenna could rach it
[16:23] <Randomskk> sadly that's only half the original planned height
[16:23] <Randomskk> note that most sections are half into the previous section
[16:23] <Lunar_Lander> or why is the burst in the prediction set to 14 km?
[16:23] <Randomskk> but annoyingly the company putting the other antennas up messed up
[16:23] <Randomskk> so everything had to be done via cherry picker
[16:23] <Randomskk> which is only 17m tall
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[16:25] <Matt_> :
[16:25] Nick change: Matt_ -> Guest87380
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[16:26] <Guest87380> Hey all
[16:26] <Guest87380> Has anyone ever auctioned / raffled a soft toy from a flight, for charity?...
[16:27] <Paradoxia> That's a good idea
[16:27] <Darkside> yes
[16:27] <Darkside> linux.conf.au 2011
[16:27] <Darkside> see http://projecthorus.org/?page_id=1773
[16:27] <Guest87380> I saw that. It raised loads!
[16:28] <Guest87380> anyone else?
[16:28] <Darkside> i think the signatures also helped :-)
[16:28] <Darkside> and the fact the audience was lots of rich geeks
[16:28] <daveake> Hmmm...I have a stuffed teddy here, on the operating table for Sunday's flight :)
[16:28] <Guest87380> my thoughts exactly
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[16:28] <bertrik> very nice
[16:29] <Lunar_Lander> or why is the burst in the prediction set to 14 km?
[16:29] <Guest87380> I plan to do a similar thing for one of my local charities... just wondered if it was worthwhile
[16:29] <Randomskk> Lunar_Lander: expected burst is 14km.
[16:29] <Upu_M0UPU> back
[16:29] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[16:29] <Lunar_Lander> why exactly?
[16:29] <Lunar_Lander> hi upu
[16:29] <bertrik> daveake: what are you going to do to the thing?
[16:29] <DrLuke> hey upu
[16:29] <DrLuke> hey lunar
[16:29] <Lunar_Lander> hi DrLuke
[16:29] <Upu_M0UPU> you feeling ok Lunar ?
[16:30] <Lunar_Lander> yes why?
[16:30] <Upu_M0UPU> there is a launch on you know
[16:30] <Lunar_Lander> yea xD
[16:30] <Randomskk> Lunar_Lander: what do you mean why?
[16:30] <Randomskk> that's the numbers. at 14km it'l probably burst.
[16:30] <daveake> bertrik Weight loss regime before his flight :)
[16:31] Nick change: number10 -> number10_M0MDB
[16:31] <junderwood_M0JCU> Randomskk, did anyone tell it :(
[16:31] <junderwood_M0JCU> s/:(/:)/
[16:31] <Lunar_Lander> Randomskk, ah ok
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[16:31] <Randomskk> junderwood_M0JCU: I'm sure steve was very firm with it
[16:32] <number10_M0MDB> no time to put antenna up - tracking from indoor magmount
[16:33] <Upu_M0UPU> 15km on a pico
[16:33] <Upu_M0UPU> nice
[16:33] <Randomskk> not really a pico per se
[16:33] <Randomskk> latex
[16:33] <Randomskk> steve is saying 'micro'
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[16:35] <Upu_M0UPU> micro then
[16:35] <Upu_M0UPU> NOTAM exempt
[16:35] <junderwood_M0JCU> assuming it doesn't stretch too far
[16:38] <Randomskk> junderwood_M0JCU: burst diameter is 1.8m
[16:38] <junderwood_M0JCU> If it behaves itself
[16:38] <junderwood_M0JCU> (burst altitude was 14 km :) )
[16:39] <Randomskk> :P
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[16:40] <SamSilver> HAB on Instructables > http://www.instructables.com/id/My-Space-Balloon-Project-Stratohab-Success-High/
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[16:41] <number10_M0MDB> same type of balloon as joey @emf?
[16:42] <Darkside> likely
[16:44] <RocketBoy> ok you have had your fun balloon - its time to burst
[16:45] <junderwood_M0JCU> No sign of rate of ascent slowing
[16:46] <Darkside> RocketBoy: 100g hwoyee?
[16:46] <junderwood_M0JCU> Time to find a boat
[16:46] <RocketBoy> yep
[16:46] <Darkside> weve had them burst at 21km
[16:47] <Darkside> wait no
[16:47] <Darkside> 29km
[16:47] <Darkside> 19km*
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[16:51] <Upu_M0UPU> well thats 19km
[16:51] <Darkside> yup lol
[16:51] <junderwood_M0JCU> speeding up if anything
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[16:53] <junderwood_M0JCU> 20km
[16:54] <Upu_M0UPU> I'll take a few RocketBoy :)
[16:54] <navrac_work> hmm - you could do two of them off a d50 cylinder with a light payload
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[16:54] <RocketBoy> :-)
[16:54] <Dutch-Mill> PD3EM do you pick up the signal?
[16:55] <RocketBoy> yeah - fill was 0.4cu m
[16:55] <navrac_work> so 200g payload ish?
[16:55] <RocketBoy> 50g
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[16:57] <junderwood_M0JCU> 21km :)
[16:57] <navrac_work> 21k
[16:57] <Upu_M0UPU> heh
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[16:57] <Upu_M0UPU> sure it was a 100g one Steve ?
[16:57] <Upu_M0UPU> Given Hwoyee's quality control..
[16:58] <navrac_work> he might have specced extra thick and ribbed
[16:58] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
[16:58] <Lunar_Lander> how many Ultimate Lithium should I buy
[16:58] <Lunar_Lander> on ebay I got the option for multiples of 4
[16:58] <Lunar_Lander> I'd think 16 or 20
[16:59] <gonzo__> that sounded a bit wobbly
[17:00] <JFS1> What's the current frequency?
[17:00] <junderwood_M0JCU> 434648
[17:00] <JFS1> Ta
[17:00] <navrac_work> 434.6479
[17:01] <junderwood_M0JCU> 22km
[17:01] <navrac_work> 22k
[17:01] <navrac_work> yor pre typing it arent you!
[17:01] <junderwood_M0JCU> :)
[17:01] <junderwood_M0JCU> navrac_work, going to land on you
[17:01] <daveake> Not just me that does that then :)
[17:01] <junderwood_M0JCU> (if it bursts)
[17:02] <navrac_work> depends on the parachute - lower altitude winds should bring it to me
[17:02] <junderwood_M0JCU> So. If it's got that high, it's probably >2m diameter.
[17:03] <junderwood_M0JCU> Which means it isn't legal.
[17:03] <navrac_work> not necessarily - could be just the right fill
[17:03] <junderwood_M0JCU> Good job noone can measure it :)
[17:03] <daveake> :)
[17:03] <daveake> Too high to matter really
[17:03] <navrac_work> not much payload weight=not much helium=not much expansion
[17:03] <junderwood_M0JCU> indeed
[17:04] <navrac_work> however with a 1.8m diameter - it does raise the question of how you get a 70cm quater wave in the 2m envelope
[17:04] <Upu_M0UPU> 23k
[17:04] <Randomskk> navrac_work: 16cm driven element
[17:04] <Randomskk> fits very nicely
[17:04] <Randomskk> at least 4cm of headroom
[17:05] <navrac_work> assuming the balloon has no neck...
[17:05] <Randomskk> navrac_work: or the antenna is taped to the neck, of course...
[17:05] <navrac_work> ah, ok. I'll use that excuse then
[17:05] <Randomskk> ;)
[17:06] <navrac_work> of course when it burst the parachute will be directly connected to the neck too!
[17:06] <navrac_work> cant type anymore - got to get 24k lined up...
[17:06] <junderwood_M0JCU> (rofl)
[17:06] <Randomskk> navrac_work: I'm not even sure a parachute is required.
[17:07] <Randomskk> there's no notice of variation which is what says you need a parachute
[17:07] <junderwood_M0JCU> still no sign of it slowing down
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[17:08] <navrac_work> oh wow look its reached 24k isnt that amazing.
[17:08] <daveake> We've seen 1600s burst that low
[17:09] <navrac_work> whew - nearly went off 1 packet too early
[17:09] <navrac_work> are you sure a 0 didnt fall off the balloon label
[17:10] <jcoxon> evening all
[17:11] <RocketBoy> fortunatly it just seems to be climbing vertically
[17:11] <navrac_work> good evening
[17:11] <RocketBoy> not any neatrrer the coast
[17:11] <navrac_work> if it lands near me im getting the tape measure out on the remaining bits
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[17:13] <navrac_work> hmm going down?
[17:14] <navrac_work> floating perhaps?
[17:14] <RocketBoy> yea
[17:14] <Upu_M0UPU> burst
[17:14] <daveake> yup
[17:14] <Upu_M0UPU> that is quite impressive
[17:14] <navrac_work> yep - transmitter was very stable during burst, must try the taping the antenna to the neck approach
[17:14] <RocketBoy> i get to go home tonight
[17:14] <daveake> :)
[17:15] <navrac_work> rocketboy - is there a parachute on this one?
[17:16] <Upu_M0UPU> its on land RocketBoy
[17:16] <cuddykid> hi all - thanks for the tracking
[17:16] <Upu_M0UPU> hey cuddykid
[17:16] <cuddykid> got some great photos
[17:16] <Upu_M0UPU> any decent pics ?
[17:16] <Upu_M0UPU> cool
[17:16] <RocketBoy> yep its inside the balloon
[17:16] <Upu_M0UPU> panorma time :)
[17:16] <cuddykid> video fogged up gradually starting ~3km in alt
[17:16] <cuddykid> bb in 5 mins
[17:17] <RocketBoy> sub 5m/sec landing speed
[17:18] <Upu_M0UPU> IP20 0NY for your sat nav RocketBoy
[17:18] <RocketBoy> about 4m/sec by my reconing - if all stays the same
[17:19] <RocketBoy> cheers
[17:22] <navrac_work> I see it seemed to hang around a long time over the brewery
[17:24] <cuddykid> g'day
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[17:24] <cuddykid> was an "interesting" recovery - involving leaping over streams, trekking across rather a lot of muddy fields, almost destroying the car's engine etc!
[17:24] <cuddykid> but back in one piece
[17:25] <cuddykid> I'll upload some of the best shots
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[17:29] <Lunar_Lander> RocketBoy, well done!
[17:31] <RocketBoy> these things have to be tried
[17:32] <Upu_M0UPU> should try another it might have been a dodgy one they seem to go at 25-27km :)
[17:33] <cuddykid> surprisingly the go bandit gps (cocom "or") lasted until 24km when it just stopped giving readings.. May have got to cold or near the batts dying
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[17:34] <Lunar_Lander> RocketBoy, is a short question possible?
[17:34] <daveake> Not in my experience
[17:34] <cuddykid> wow, it's going to take a long time to upload these photos & vid on 0.3mbps upload
[17:34] <Lunar_Lander> ah nevermind, have to do a calculation first
[17:34] <jcoxon> cuddykid, nah thats a sirf3 gps
[17:34] <RocketBoy> ll nope driving
[17:35] <cuddykid> jcoxon: do they stop around 24km then?
[17:35] <jcoxon> yup
[17:35] <cuddykid> that explains all then! thanks
[17:35] <RocketBoy> can someone give me a new predicted landing spot - postcode would be good
[17:37] <Burninate> Do you guys know of an airspace map of the UK?
[17:38] <gonzo__> IP20 9QJ looks reasonable RocketBoy
[17:38] <RocketBoy> cheers
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[17:45] <Upu_M0UPU> random change in frequency
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[17:47] <RocketBoy> slow updates here - is my chase near the predicted landing spot?
[17:48] <Upu_M0UPU> close
[17:48] <Upu_M0UPU> about 3-4 miles off
[17:49] <gonzo__> here I've not seen a chase car update for 30mins
[17:49] <RocketBoy> cheers - that'll do
[17:50] <RocketBoy> its very windy
[17:51] <Upu_M0UPU> sounds it on the signal tbh
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[17:51] <RocketBoy> and raining
[17:52] <bertrik> RocketBoy: yours is XABEN1?
[17:52] <RocketBoy> yep
[17:53] <bertrik> it's been predicted just north of Harleston for the past 10 minutes or so
[17:53] <Upu_M0UPU> loosing it here
[17:54] <junderwood_M0JCU> gone here
[17:54] Nick change: junderwood_M0JCU -> junderwood
[17:54] Nick change: number10_M0MDB -> number10
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[17:58] <gonzo__> the chase car still not updating
[17:59] <gonzo__> may be the bug where yiou have to re-enter the car name
[18:00] <navrac_work> it is very gusty here
[18:00] <navrac_work> will take down the mast as soon as i loose xaben1
[18:00] <cuddykid> here's a few - http://www.flickr.com/photos/acudworth/sets/72157631323743662/
[18:00] <Upu> RocketBoy that NTX2 I send you did I leave the original crystal in the box
[18:01] <Upu> wow nice cuddykid landscape mode worked :)
[18:01] <cuddykid> Upu: yep! :) thanks for the tip!
[18:01] <RocketBoy> nope
[18:01] <Upu> ok cheers
[18:02] <navrac_work> getting close to landing
[18:02] <RocketBoy> ill check in case i missed it
[18:02] <nigelvh> Quite close.
[18:02] <navrac_work> 364 feet last packet
[18:02] <navrac_work> 295
[18:02] <navrac_work> 218
[18:02] <Upu> cuddykid you're going to get some great panoramas out of those
[18:02] <Upu> feet ?
[18:02] <Upu> since when did we do feet ?
[18:03] <navrac_work> metres sorry
[18:03] <Upu> just checking :)
[18:03] <navrac_work> 156
[18:03] <navrac_work> lost it
[18:03] <cuddykid> Upu: hopefully! :D
[18:03] <navrac_work> last packet was
[18:03] <navrac_work> $$$$$XABEN1,664,18:02:50,52.44762,1.3006#,156*A00E
[18:03] <cuddykid> I'll start the upload of go bandit footage soon - it will take a week lol
[18:03] <RocketBoy> i can still see the signal - yagi time
[18:04] <junderwood> That farm has an aircraft in the back garden!
[18:04] <LazyL_M0LEP> ...and an airstrip
[18:04] <navrac_work> yep handy
[18:05] <nigelvh> Yeah, might be just SE of the buildings.
[18:05] <junderwood> on the runway
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[18:05] <junderwood> It doesn't look as bad as landing at Stansted
[18:06] <Upu> original landing spot has shifted by 6 miles sorry
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[18:08] <gonzo__> it's about the same size!
[18:08] <gonzo__> (as stanstead)
[18:09] Nick change: LazyL_M0LEP -> LazyLeopard
[18:11] <cuddykid> Upu: what software do you use for your panoramas?
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[18:11] <Upu> just grab a bunch of sort of similar picks into it and sit back
[18:12] <nigelvh> I use the photosynth app on my iphone. Works pretty damn good. One of the few microsoft products I'm impressed with.
[18:13] <Upu> its the pc version of that
[18:14] <Upu> yup on the otherside of the runway
[18:14] <Upu> who says farmers are short of brass
[18:15] <navrac_work> could be a drug dealer
[18:15] <Lunar_Lander> the songsmith app is a good laugh
[18:16] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[18:17] <Upu> true navrac_work
[18:17] <Upu> RocketBoy if there is a Subaru WRX on the drive turn around
[18:17] <navrac_work> in which case grab the payload and run
[18:17] <nigelvh> Or greet them warmly
[18:17] <nigelvh> Subaru owners are the good guys
[18:18] <Upu> not in bradford
[18:18] <nigelvh> (Disclosure: I'm a very happy subaru owner)
[18:18] <navrac_work> unless you want to explain this 'sending balloons across borders without going via customs' system to them
[18:18] <Upu> in Bradford Subaru's are the 1 block dealer transport of choice
[18:19] <nigelvh> You win some you lose some. Make a high performing car, they're going to be used for bad things.
[18:21] <nigelvh> Over here subarus are used for rally racing and driving in snow.
[18:21] <Lunar_Lander> hi nigelvh
[18:21] <nigelvh> Howdy Lunar
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[18:30] <Lunar_Lander> how are you today?
[18:30] <Lunar_Lander> how is the clock coming along?
[18:31] <nigelvh> Doing well. I got it all working last night, so now I've just got to tidy up the electronics on the back, and let it run for a longevity test. (Make sure the stepper motor controller doesn't get too hot.)
[18:31] <nigelvh> But in summary, there's a bit more to do, but it tells time.
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[18:33] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[18:34] <Lunar_Lander> is the stepper motor control computationally demanding for the arduino?
[18:34] <nigelvh> No, it's an external controller, so there's just two pins, one is high/low for step direction, and the other you just send a pulse for a step.
[18:35] <Lunar_Lander> ok
[18:35] <Lunar_Lander> I mean does that put a strain on the arduino? as I saw that the internal works for the BMP085 could be difficult
[18:36] <nigelvh> No, not really. I believe the only reason why they mentioned the BMP085 could be less fun is just that you have to figure out the calculations for barometric pressure. Certainly nothing beyond the capabilities of the arduino.
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[18:38] <RocketBoy> yo
[18:38] <nigelvh> 'sup dawg homie g dizzle?
[18:38] <RocketBoy> cany anyone guide me to 52.44616,1.30229
[18:38] <gonzo__> recovery then!?
[18:38] <RocketBoy> im in low road
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[18:39] <RocketBoy> 3g is too slow ere
[18:39] <gonzo__> heading west, there is a junction on a tight left hand bend. Take the turn going north
[18:40] <gonzo__> that should take you past the east end of the grass airstrip
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[18:42] <gonzo__> (that bend is the junvtion of bungaygrave rd and low road. )
[18:43] <gonzo__> google streetview shows no road signs on it though
[18:45] <gonzo__> a few yards i the north bound turning there is a brown sign on the ground with white writing, saying 'something farm'
[18:45] <gonzo__> by an 11kv pole
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[19:16] <HixPad> Retarded question of the day: When specifying an rtty mark pin and a space pin. Do they both connect to the voltage divider and take over from each other in the code?
[19:16] <HixPad> On the ntx2
[19:16] <fsphil> ideally you'd only have the one pin
[19:16] <HixPad> Nice photos btw cuddykid
[19:16] <nigelvh> I'm not sure what schematic you're referencing, but I'd guess they'd each have a separate voltage divider as you're wanting two different levels.
[19:17] <fsphil> but if you're using two, normally you'd only have one on at a time
[19:18] <HixPad> Ok, I was reading through Ava code from GitHub Upu had specified a mark pin and a space pin. In the wiki test doc there was only one pin
[19:18] <fsphil> yes, it used to be common to run two pins
[19:18] <fsphil> I'm not sure why
[19:18] <HixPad> Right so kiss deems one pin better?
[19:18] <fsphil> yes
[19:19] <HixPad> Righty no
[19:19] <HixPad> Ho rather
[19:19] <fsphil> makes the code a lot simpler
[19:19] <fsphil> and just all round make sense
[19:19] <fsphil> +s
[19:22] <HixPad> Is there a ref snippet of one pin rtty on paste in or GitHub anywhere?
[19:22] <fsphil> same code, just instead of toggling two pins you just toggle the one
[19:23] <Upu> HixPad I really would not use my original ava code
[19:23] <Upu> its dreadful
[19:24] <HixPad> No I'm just using existing code to enable me to properly appreciate the structure and syntax better
[19:24] <HixPad> By using I mean reading and annotating on a4
[19:25] <HixPad> But I am getting there. I now understand how to parse the nmea and use sprintf to construct a string for rtty
[19:25] <HixPad> Well the theory of it
[19:25] <fsphil> I enjoyed doing that bit
[19:26] <HixPad> Like pins in eyes....
[19:26] <HixPad> For me
[19:26] <HixPad> But I will win
[19:27] <Lunar_Lander> but I based my whole thing around the tutorial with two-pin control
[19:27] <Lunar_Lander> that is not good as I read now?
[19:27] <fsphil> it works fine Lunar_Lander, just one-wire is simpler
[19:28] <Lunar_Lander> ok
[19:28] <fsphil> It's not something to scrap pcbs or programs over :)
[19:28] <jcoxon> i still use 2 pin
[19:28] <jcoxon> just habit
[19:29] <fsphil> you can actually get four levels out of that, but I can't think of any use for that
[19:29] <Lunar_Lander> four levels?
[19:30] <fsphil> two bits
[19:30] <fsphil> 00, 01, 10 and 11
[19:30] <fsphil> normally the rtty code would only ever use 01 or 10
[19:30] <Lunar_Lander> ah
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[19:37] <HixPad> And so another can of worms opens up. Any good guides to rtty?
[19:37] <HixPad> Looked at the Wikipedia description and not really much the wiser
[19:38] <fsphil> are you familiar with RS232?
[19:38] <mattbrejza> <guide> higher frequency = 1; lower frequency = 0; change bit every Ts </guide>
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[19:38] <jonsowman> nice one mattbrejza
[19:38] <jonsowman> HixPad: read up on FSK
[19:38] <fsphil> there's also start and stop bits :p
[19:39] <mattbrejza> i suppose the rs232 'layer' is the only bit that was missed
[19:42] <Upu> FSK works as well
[19:42] <Upu> sort of
[19:42] <Upu> on an NTX2 via PWM
[19:43] <HixPad> fsphil: I understand the very basics of rs232 in that you set a baud and transmit bits at that rate
[19:44] <HixPad> Fsk seems to make the whole thing sound a little more digestible
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[19:44] <fsphil> yea
[19:44] <fsphil> it's basically rs232, but instead of changing a voltage to represent the bits, you change a frequency
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[19:45] <HixPad> Right so if I get the principles of rs232 and Fsk I should have a better understanding of what is going on
[19:45] <jonsowman> correct
[19:46] <HixPad> *google is my friend
[19:46] <jonsowman> FSK is the modulation scheme, RS232 is the "line code" as it were
[19:46] <HixPad> When you know what you are searching for ;)
[19:46] <jonsowman> that does help
[19:47] <HixPad> Yup
[19:53] <HixPad> So is pwm just creating a 1 or a 0 at 0.02 intervals
[19:54] <HixPad> And the string is being converted into binary?
[19:55] <nigelvh> The string already exists in binary, you're just sending out the bits one by one.
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[19:57] <Upu> recovered ?
[19:58] <nigelvh> Run over by a drug running subaru?
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[20:09] <number10> RocketBoy: did you locate it?
[20:10] <RocketBoy> yep - its located
[20:10] <RocketBoy> bbl - tea
[20:10] <number10> great
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[20:15] Action: LazyLeopard wonders... just located, or located and retrieved?
[20:18] <DrLuke> probably both :)
[20:18] <HixPad> Hmm getting a grip on it so at 434.075 with 500hz shift the high and low tones are 250hz either side of the central fqy
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[20:20] <Upu> screen shot Hix ?
[20:21] <fsphil> that's right
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[20:22] <HixPad> Ha no chance Upu I'm on jobs' evil piece of ubiquitousness
[20:22] <Upu> oh ok
[20:23] <HixPad> Laptop battery is in for replacement
[20:23] <HixPad> iPad isn't best ever multitasking tool :)
[20:23] <jonsowman> s/multi//
[20:23] <fsphil> :)
[20:24] <HixPad> Though remote desktop is of some use, if nothing other than painfully slow
[20:26] <HixPad> Do we use pure Fsk or audio Fsk
[20:26] <jonsowman> FSK
[20:27] <HixPad> Ahh and dlfldigi turns it into audio Fsk?
[20:27] <fsphil> a radio in USB mode turns it into afsk
[20:28] <fsphil> fldigi turns that back into bits and text
[20:28] <jonsowman> sometimes, anyway
[20:28] <fsphil> yea, ideally :)
[20:29] <fsphil> and I'm not even going to try and explain USB or SSB, cause I'd make you 10 times more confused
[20:29] <HixPad> Oops yeah dlfldigi reads afsk and turns back to 1/0
[20:30] <HixPad> Yeah fsphil we'll leave that. Though I did read a little on it. So got a basic (very) idea
[20:32] <HixPad> Knew there was a reason I did mechanical engineering :)
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[20:37] <HixPad> Right, time to read. Bbl cheers, again
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[21:11] <lyra2> which rechargeable batteries (technology/chemistry) performs best under cold weather?
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[21:14] <G7PMO_Kev> hi
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[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> hi
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> lyra2, good question
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> energizer ultimate lithiums are primary cells only
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[21:24] <Upu> none really lyra2
[21:25] <lyra2> i found some that should work well in -20
[21:25] <lyra2> i need a bit lower
[21:25] <Upu> the Saaf cells can charge down to -20 and discharge down to -50 but they are expensive
[21:27] <lyra2> saaf?
[21:27] <lyra2> can you give me an url
[21:28] <jonsowman> I think Upu means Saft
[21:28] <Upu> they are meant for use in space
[21:28] <Upu> sorry I do
[21:28] <jonsowman> if that helps your googling
[21:28] <Upu> nah
[21:29] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/ideas:power_supply
[21:29] <Upu> that one
[21:29] <Upu> afk
[21:30] <Upu> http://www.saftbatteries.com/Produit_MP_cell_range_301_69/Language/en-US/Default.aspx
[21:30] <Upu> thats about it
[21:30] <Upu> what do you want to do with it ?
[21:32] <Lunar_Lander> Darkside said SAFT doesn't give enough current
[21:32] <lyra2> i want to see it for my device, whick will operate in cold
[21:32] <jonsowman> Lunar_Lander: depends on the application
[21:32] <lyra2> i am looking for 12V 7Ah ones, now i am exploring what can Saft to effer
[21:33] <lyra2> *offer
[21:33] <jonsowman> saft have some D cells which are about 15Ah or something crazy at 3.6V
[21:33] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:33] <Lunar_Lander> my tracker draws 110 mA
[21:35] <jonsowman> we discharged Safts at >1A and it was fine
[21:35] <jonsowman> i do agree that it's out of spec though
[21:35] <Lunar_Lander> ok
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> two safts would be some 6 volts then right?
[21:36] <jonsowman> yep
[21:36] <jonsowman> lyra2: http://www.mdsbattery.co.uk/shop/productprofile.asp?ProductGroupID=2887
[21:38] <Lunar_Lander> these are OK too? http://www.saftbatteries.com/Produit_LS_cell_range_303_6/Language/en-US/Default.aspx
[21:38] <lyra2> jonsowman, thanks
[21:38] <lyra2> was about to ask where to buy them
[21:38] <jonsowman> Lunar_Lander: yeah, same ones
[21:39] <jonsowman> i don't think you can buy direct from Saft though
[21:39] <jonsowman> MDS are a distributor
[21:39] <jonsowman> UK based
[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:42] <lyra2> http://www.atbatt.com/product/6710.asp 17Ah, very nice
[21:42] <jonsowman> yeah they're crazy
[21:42] <jonsowman> also very expensive
[21:43] <lyra2> not that bad, i was expecting hundreds for one battery
[21:43] <Lunar_Lander> but wait
[21:43] <Lunar_Lander> the datasheet says 2.6 Ah for the LS14500
[21:43] <lyra2> Operating Temperature Range: -60°C/+85°C (-76°F/+185°F)
[21:44] <Lunar_Lander> doesn't have the ultimate lithium something like 3 Ah?
[21:44] <lyra2> the biggest problem i gues will to figure out how to charge them
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[21:48] <lyra2> i found what i was looking for: www.atbatt.com/product/22748.asp
[21:48] <lyra2> what a beauty
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> the energizer datasheet doesn't say anywhere what capacity the thing has
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[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> that strange plot with the bars looks like an ad to me not like tech data
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> does anybody have the energizer ultimate lithium AA datasheet at handß
[21:50] <Upu> whatever
[21:51] <Lunar_Lander> I got the datasheet
[21:53] <Lunar_Lander> 3000 mAh seems to be correct
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[21:55] <griffonbot> Received email: Kevin Walton "Re: [UKHAS] XABEN33 posponed."
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[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> he tries to understand
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> that is good
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[22:15] <Upu> the circles on spacenear.us blue = radio horizon and green = 5' someting ?
[22:17] <Upu> its ok answer obtained
[22:18] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "Re: [UKHAS] XABEN33 posponed."
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[22:26] <DrLuke> 5' ?
[22:29] <Lunar_Lander>
[22:29] <Lunar_Lander> like 5° antenna elevation
[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> I am just wondering
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> lipolys output 3.7 V
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> would that even be enough to power an arduino and stuff?
[22:33] <BrainDamage> they don't output 3.7V fixed, they output 4.2V or so when charged, and 3V when discharged
[22:33] <BrainDamage> and 3.7V most of the time
[22:33] <BrainDamage> you'll need a voltage regulator
[22:33] <BrainDamage> either linear, or switching, switching would be better
[22:33] <lyra2> so, i am out of luck: i cannot find rechargeable saft batteries to buy anywhere
[22:34] <lyra2> they are selling only non rechargeable
[22:34] <lyra2> e. g. MP 176065 - good one, but where to buy one?
[22:35] <jonsowman> LiSOCL2s aren't rechargable
[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> yeah I got a regulator
[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> I was just wondering
[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> BrainDamage, switching = step-down?
[22:35] <BrainDamage> I'd use a buck boost
[22:35] <BrainDamage> so it can do both step up and down
[22:35] <BrainDamage> and use the full batt swing
[22:36] <lyra2> only li-ion are rechargable
[22:36] <BrainDamage> if you're tight on weight, a simple linear regulator is the simplest
[22:37] <lyra2> why they are not selling those?! nah....
[22:44] <lyra2> are there any other good (military/space grade) battery makers?
[22:52] <Laurenceb_> the lithium polymer primaries get even higher energy density
[22:53] <Lunar_Lander> what does this one do btw? https://www.sparkfun.com/products/8249
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[22:54] <fsphil> pretty much what the description says ;)
[22:54] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:55] <Lunar_Lander> what if I load 2 ultimate lithiums into that?
[22:55] <fsphil> you can get the converters on their own board
[22:55] <Lunar_Lander> ok
[22:55] <fsphil> you'd get 5v
[22:55] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:55] <Lunar_Lander> but not longer runtime I think?
[22:55] <Lunar_Lander> I mean we now increased from three to four cells
[22:55] <Lunar_Lander> so that is no way to spare cells?
[22:55] <daveake> linear or switching?
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[22:58] <Lunar_Lander> my regulator is linear
[22:58] <fsphil> the one you linked to earlier is switching
[22:58] <daveake> Well adding an extra cell will give you a little more life
[22:59] <daveake> For switching it gives you a lot more
[22:59] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:59] <Lunar_Lander> I was thinking about if I should replace my regulator
[22:59] <daveake> For what reason?
[23:01] <daveake> Can we hurry up it's past by bedtime :)
[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[23:03] <Lunar_Lander> DrLuke said that linear models create much heat
[23:03] <Lunar_Lander> and step-downs are more efficient
[23:03] <DrLuke> they waste power
[23:03] <daveake> Of course they do. You're a physicist. Do the calculation.
[23:03] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:03] <Lunar_Lander> thus the thought of replacing
[23:03] <daveake> Whether you care or not is a different matter
[23:04] <fsphil> nite!
[23:04] <daveake> nn!
[23:04] <Lunar_Lander> good night
[23:04] <BrainDamage> if the battery lasts enough for a flight + margin, the regulator being inefficient is not much of a concern
[23:04] <daveake> If you have enough run time, and you don't need to cut down on the number of cells, then linear is fine. It's simpler/cheaper and much much much less noisy (electrically)
[23:04] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:04] <BrainDamage> actually, you could think as benefit, builtin heater :p
[23:05] <Lunar_Lander> just wanted to say that
[23:05] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[23:05] <daveake> In other words, if you don't have a problem, don't try to fix it
[23:05] <Lunar_Lander> ok
[23:05] <daveake> Heat can be helpful (though excess heat, as in my Pi flight, isn't)
[23:05] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:06] <Lunar_Lander> on the ground the max temp inside was 45°C
[23:06] <daveake> My next Pi flight will be the first of my trackers to use a switching supply. That should tell you something/
[23:06] <daveake> 45 is fine
[23:07] <Lunar_Lander> OK
[23:07] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[23:08] <daveake> In the case of the Pi, using switching regs I can get the total power consumption down from ~5W to ~2W. That's a big saving. Means the run time more than doubles, from less than 6 hours to more than 12. Or I could use fewer or smaller batteries.
[23:08] <daveake> For my Arduino trackers, they run for long enough on AAAs anyway
[23:08] <daveake> For very light trackers, a step-up means you can use a single AA, saving weight. Important for pico flights for example.
[23:09] <daveake> SFor your flight I doubt there's any point in using a switcher.
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[23:13] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
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[23:17] <SpeedEvil> daveake: what ahve you done? just 3.3, or the 1.8v rail too? Or gone all the way, and vcore?
[23:18] <daveake> The Pi? 2 regs, one for 3V3 and the other for 5V (for the webcam only, really)
[23:18] <daveake> Onboard 3V3 reg removed
[23:18] <SpeedEvil> ah
[23:18] <daveake> Diminishing returns after that
[23:19] <daveake> The 3V3 reg and the Eth/USB chip are the hottest parts on the board
[23:19] <SpeedEvil> Well - if you did vcore, you could probably get another halving
[23:19] <daveake> I doubt it
[23:20] <SpeedEvil> oh - you know about the ethernet chip oops?
[23:20] <daveake> The model A is supposed to be <200mA. That would be a good saving
[23:20] <SpeedEvil> the 1.8v reg on the ethernet chip is accidentally wired in parallel with the real 1.8v reg
[23:20] <daveake> eh?
[23:20] <daveake> wo
[23:20] <SpeedEvil> so some pis the ethernet chip reg takes all the load
[23:21] <daveake> ffs
[23:21] <SpeedEvil> hence it gets hot.
[23:21] <daveake> oh that is so silly
[23:21] <daveake> ok in that case sorting that will make a big difference
[23:21] <SpeedEvil> yeah.
[23:21] <SpeedEvil> plus - what's the CPu volts - .8v?
[23:21] <daveake> pass
[23:22] <SpeedEvil> Directly reg that, you get to 80% or so power saving.
[23:22] <SpeedEvil> for the core, anyway
[23:22] <daveake> OK, so model A plus doing that might be a good option
[23:22] <SpeedEvil> Or just get a proper powersaving board.
[23:22] <daveake> Don't need ethernet at 100k :)
[23:23] <SpeedEvil> properly
[23:23] Action: SpeedEvil sighs.
[23:23] <daveake> Yeah, there are better boards that the Pi. Unless of course the objective is to fly a Pi :)
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[23:24] <SpeedEvil> I was earlier complaining that I couldn't find nexus 7 boards to play with.
[23:24] <SpeedEvil> I found a solution.
[23:24] <daveake> You found something using one ?
[23:24] <SpeedEvil> It involved a rock, and gravity. :/
[23:25] <daveake> Newton would be proud
[23:26] <SpeedEvil> The edge did end up sort-of-milled at one point
[23:27] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[23:27] <SpeedEvil> Annoyingly - the display works fine. It's just spanged off 2cm triangle at teh corner, and the touchscreen doesn't work.
[23:27] <SpeedEvil> And - well - the operation without the touchscreen is kinda limited.
[23:44] <gonzo__> I assume XABEN was recovered
[23:46] <daveake> Guess so
[23:48] <Lunar_Lander> btw does someone have Matlab/Scilab experience?
[23:49] <gonzo__> good. Almost bulseyeing an airfield (well private strip)
[23:51] <daveake> I need to get some of those 100g balloons. Seem like fun.
[23:54] <gonzo__> do they fit within the <2mtr envelope?
[23:54] <daveake> Just. Burst spec is 1.8m. Steve put the parachute inside the balloon
[23:54] <gonzo__> brave
[23:54] <daveake> The tracker would need to be in/on/near the neck
[23:55] <gonzo__> there was a hell of a lot of flutter
[23:55] <daveake> That's probably why then
[23:56] <daveake> I was using a yagi in the loft. Craptastic in that direction - worked fine for HABE ealier but got no decodes at all from XABEN
[23:56] <gonzo__> I got a few lines decoded on the big yagi
[23:57] <gonzo__> though I have to bring the mast down and check the wiring, as I suspect it's H polarised
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