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[06:35] <fsphil> morning one and all
[06:36] <Dan-K2VOL> morning phil
[06:36] <fsphil> except those where it's not morning
[06:36] <Upu> sod them wrong timezoneites
[06:36] <Upu> morning
[06:37] <Upu> looks like Mick had registered that launch with ARHAb before it went up
[06:37] <Dan-K2VOL> good thing he did :-)
[06:37] <Upu> indeed
[06:37] <fsphil> that'll take a while to beat
[06:37] <Dan-K2VOL> was he trying for altitude? I didn't see much about it
[06:38] <Upu> though tbh Dan I'm just going to rename the UK records page to "offical world records" if they didn't post it :)
[06:38] <Dan-K2VOL> ha yes indeed
[06:38] <Upu> CNSP can join our club :)
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[07:12] <fsphil> ah, just passed two gasometers. I only know what they are through the radio exam
[07:23] <Upu> so did you speak to anyone in North Yorkshire yesterday fsphil ?
[07:24] <Upu> your listening station is in the sea for some reason
[07:25] <fsphil> Not a proper conversation with anyone, just a quick exchange in a shop
[07:26] <fsphil> Town called Richmond, very nice area
[07:26] <fsphil> not sure what's up with the listening station
[07:26] <fsphil> even the boat didn't go that way
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[07:27] <fsphil> I'll have to have a proper holiday in the dales or the lakes next year
[07:28] <number10> lakboth are noce fsphil
[07:28] <number10> -lak
[07:29] <fsphil> Reeth was another nice town we passed through
[07:29] <fsphil> the sort of town you see on TV
[07:31] <fsphil> as for the payload, I honestly don't think that'll ever be found
[07:31] <fsphil> there's a huge forest to the east if it descended a bit slower than predicted
[07:32] <fsphil> and a pretty big mountain covered in hadie-shaped rocks to the west
[07:32] <fsphil> a proper needle in haystack job
[07:32] <fsphil> be easier to just fly another one
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[07:36] <Upu> most probably
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[08:17] <daveake> Pretty much ready here. Just putting the radio etc in the car then we'll head off to the launch site. 10am launch looks about right
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[08:18] <UpuWork> good luck
[08:18] <UpuWork> loose a payload
[08:22] <MrScienceMan> :D
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[08:23] <Broliv> morning all
[08:31] <daveake> I'm trying to lose it UpuWork :)
[08:31] <daveake> Damn thing keeps coming back
[08:35] <number10> leave the radio at home that will do the track
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[08:35] <number10> trick
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[08:48] <daveake> OK, off to launch. Tx @ 434.192 according to my scanner
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[08:49] <Broliv> good luck Dave
[08:50] <LazyLeopard> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bETCusT5kNM
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[08:51] <Broliv> lol, i havn't seen that since i was a kid
[08:59] <LazyLeopard> ;)
[08:59] <LazyLeopard> Dave saying "Damn thing keeps coming back" reminded me of it... ;)
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[09:02] <LazyLeopard> PAVA's presumably still on the ground...
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[09:11] <daveake> launching
[09:11] <daveake> thar she blows
[09:12] <eroomde> g' stuff
[09:13] <Darkside> woot
[09:14] <daveake> Had to crack open the wrapping to restart it .... Upu's dodgy about-to-be-tested power saving code gets a bit upset if it loses lock indoors or in the car en route to the site
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[09:15] <Darkside> lol
[09:16] <daveake> We'll wait here till someone else gets telemetry then we're off to do a bit of shopping before heading home
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[09:16] <LazyLeopard> Tracker seems to think it's still in your back room...
[09:16] <number10> thats better
[09:17] <daveake> Car posn is on the map. dl-fldigi isn't using the GPS
[09:19] <daveake> Blimey, the home rig has tuned in and I'm not even there :D
[09:19] <junderwood> dial?
[09:19] <daveake> 434.186.6
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[09:19] <junderwood> ta
[09:20] <daveake> So the 4x4 has now broken its launch and tracking cherry :)
[09:20] <number10> bet its recover rate will be poor
[09:20] <number10> +y
[09:21] <daveake> :p
[09:21] <daveake> Its remote locking didn't work with the tracker inside
[09:22] <daveake> Cool JCU is on
[09:22] <daveake> We can go
[09:22] <daveake> :)
[09:22] Nick change: junderwood -> junderwood_M0JCU
[09:22] <junderwood_M0JCU> the antenna is only at 3m AGL. I'm not putting it up to the full 10m with thunder on the way
[09:22] <daveake> :)
[09:23] <LazyLeopard> Faint on waterfall; not quite decodable yet...
[09:24] <daveake> Righto, we'll be offline for a while
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[09:30] <Adam_> what's the idea with todays balloon?
[09:31] <Adam_> looks like it's going to land on the isle of man? :_
[09:31] <Darkside> the prediction won't be accurate
[09:31] <LazyLeopard> Ah! A line!
[09:31] <Darkside> Adam_: it's a foil balloon
[09:31] <Darkside> which will likely float
[09:31] <Adam_> ah ok, so doesnt really pop as such?
[09:32] <Adam_> it seems to be doing well
[09:32] <LazyLeopard> ...and won't get as high either.
[09:33] <Adam_> so what's the plan if it's a wet landing? :)
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[09:34] <number10> daveake will not want to get his shiny new chase car wet - and I dont think he can afford the fuel to chase that in a 3l v6
[09:34] <navrac-off> good ascent rate - probably float at ~5k
[09:36] <navrac-off> To make it worthwhile chasing the tracker, given the cost of fuel on the v6 and the price of the tracker, I make it only worth recovering if it travels for less than 20 miles
[09:36] <Adam_> oh, seems a waste
[09:36] <Adam_> hopefully it might wash up and someone will return it
[09:37] <number10> no - they dont want it back really
[09:37] <Adam_> oh
[09:37] <eroomde> Adam_: there's a long and noble tradition of ditching into the sea
[09:37] <Randomskk> it was disposable the first flight and this is what, the third?
[09:37] <Broliv> If it lands near Liverpool/Manchester I could got and get it
[09:37] <eroomde> you do not know hab until you have felt the less
[09:37] <eroomde> loss*
[09:37] <navrac-off> can't hear it here yet
[09:37] <number10> yes I think it is 3rd
[09:44] <daveake> number10 Quite right me no chase :)
[09:44] <daveake> We're not chasing, just shopping. Need a mortgage to chase this one at 2x mpg
[09:45] <eroomde> 2x is not as bad as i'd have guessed
[09:45] <daveake> Randomskk Yes 3rd flight - PAVA of the Triffids, and 5thScout
[09:45] <daveake> < 20 around town apparently
[09:45] <daveake> Not been thru a full tank yet
[09:45] <number10> lets hope this time we wont need to manualy tune each frame
[09:45] <daveake> For the mileage it'll be doing it doesn't matter much
[09:45] <daveake> brb - Julie wants to shop :)
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[09:53] <Adam_> anyone know how soon upu despatches orders?
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[09:55] <eroomde> Upu probably does
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[09:58] <Colin_> Morning
[09:58] Nick change: Colin_ -> Colin-G8TMV
[09:58] <Adam_> :)
[09:58] <Colin-G8TMV> current dial freq for Pava please?
[09:59] <JFS1> 434.186.60-ish
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[10:00] <Colin-G8TMV> got it ta
[10:01] <junderwood_M0JCU> may be a little overfilled?
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[10:07] <upix> hello
[10:08] <fsphil> ooh, launch
[10:09] <fsphil> is it coming my way?
[10:10] <JFS1> Think it might be - but Dave doesn't want it back so you won't need to shoot it down for him
[10:10] <fsphil> lol
[10:11] <fsphil> I'm on a boat but I don't have any radios with me
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[10:11] <upix> why is battery so low?
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[10:13] <fsphil> might not be accurate
[10:14] <upix> and the ascent rate is so low
[10:15] <JFS1> It's a foil balloon
[10:15] <upix> floater?
[10:15] <JFS1> Yeah
[10:16] <upix> what is on board? I mean why are you doing a floater?
[10:17] <JFS1> I think Dave is testing some code - best check with him when he's back on line after shopping
[10:18] Nick change: number10 -> number10_M0MDB
[10:18] <eroomde> he wants to get rid of this tracker. it has done 3 flights, it's sacrificial now
[10:19] <Randomskk> gotta kill it off before it becomes listed
[10:19] <number10_M0MDB> he also had some helium left after the scout flight and will need to return the bottle
[10:19] <number10_M0MDB> lol Randomskk
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[10:20] <fsphil> poo, I can't get a gps lock inside the boat
[10:20] <fsphil> only works outside
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[10:20] <Broliv> what type of material is the hull made from?
[10:21] <LazyLeopard> Big metal box. ;)
[10:21] <fsphil> very thick metal :)
[10:21] <Broliv> Heh
[10:21] <fsphil> but it's beside a window
[10:21] <Colin-G8TMV> and nicely grounded in a salt water bath
[10:22] <Broliv> depends what type of boat you are on. If it is a yecht i'd be surprised as most are glass fibre
[10:22] <Broliv> *yacht
[10:23] <Broliv> You heading anywhere nice fsphil?
[10:23] Action: LazyLeopard suspects he's on a big ro-ro ferry?
[10:25] <fsphil> it's one of these: http://www.attu70.dsl.pipex.com/stena.jpg
[10:25] <fsphil> weird, google defaults to google.no on the ships wifi
[10:25] <fsphil> Broliv: scotland to northern ireland
[10:25] <Colin-G8TMV> fsphil: it's where the ships are registered I suspect
[10:26] <Broliv> Ahh a nice big metal box
[10:26] <fsphil> ip address is
[10:27] <LazyLeopard> ...or where the cheapest ship-to-shore network link can be got. ;)
[10:27] <upix> do they get internet from sats or some kind of ground stations?
[10:27] <fsphil> it's quite slow, could be satellite
[10:27] <fsphil> and we're nowhere near norway
[10:29] <JFS1> Are you sure - thought you said you couldn't get gps to work
[10:29] <fsphil> I'm inside the ship though
[10:29] <Colin-G8TMV> fsphil: doesn't matter, their accounts for the ships are all in Norway because that is where Stenna have their HQ
[10:29] <fsphil> I'm sure there's a satellite antenna up top
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[10:35] <fsphil> I so need a boat. boats are cool
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[10:37] <Broliv> Depends what type of boat you wants
[10:37] <Broliv> ferrys tend to be expensive
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[10:37] <Broliv> dingheys are a bit cheaper
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[10:39] <fsphil> true, doesn't need a crew either
[10:39] <Broliv> http://www.boatshop24.co.uk/featured/commercialboats/
[10:40] <upix> lol they just sell 25mil bulk boat on internet
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[10:43] <Broliv> does anyone have any experiance with the FT-790rII?
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[10:46] <Colin-G8TMV> Hmm.. Is it me or is the prediction not updating on the map?
[10:46] <fsphil> refreshing sometimes fixes that
[10:48] <fsphil> mmm... chocolate muffin
[10:49] <Colin-G8TMV> Hmm.. A refresh seems to have made the prediction vanish
[10:50] <fsphil> it might have been disabled
[10:51] <LazyLeopard> Would make sense.
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[10:58] <daveake> home :)
[10:59] <fsphil> wb!
[10:59] <daveake> XD
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[10:59] <fsphil> What colour XD?
[11:00] <daveake> 7000m ... bit higher than expected
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[11:01] <Colin-G8TMV> Hmm... signal suddenly faded out
[11:01] <daveake> ok here
[11:01] <fsphil> that is quite high
[11:01] <daveake> Not decoding many full sentences atm but not far off
[11:01] <fsphil> I'm hoping it floats
[11:01] <Colin-G8TMV> Ah, it's come back
[11:01] <daveake> Is there a record table for picos? :p
[11:02] <fsphil> there should be
[11:02] <Darkside> oh yeah, i did a balloon launch today
[11:02] <Darkside> to get rid of the one we had on show at the science expo
[11:02] <Darkside> just tied a business card to it and let it go
[11:03] <daveake> silly me ... still had the yagi connected and that's point to HABE :D
[11:03] <daveake> pointing
[11:04] <Darkside> daveake: using the preamp?
[11:04] <daveake> Yep
[11:04] <Darkside> cool
[11:04] <fsphil> I wasn't able to test that yet
[11:05] <daveake> coming down a bit now
[11:06] <daveake> think it may have popped
[11:06] <Colin-G8TMV> is it a single foil or a pair?
[11:06] <daveake> single
[11:07] <Gadget-Mac> ooh
[11:07] <Gadget-Mac> Yay, I can hear daveake's ballon
[11:08] <daveake> Well Upu may be able to recover this one :D
[11:09] <fsphil> typical, I was in the right place yesterday :)
[11:09] <LazyLeopard> Heh ;)
[11:09] <LazyLeopard> I need to get a yagi like Upu's ;)
[11:11] <Colin-G8TMV> I have one, but it's in bits in the garage
[11:12] <Gadget-Mac> What RTTY settings should I be using on dl-fldigi, 8n1 ?
[11:12] <Darkside> choose PAVA from the dropdown list
[11:12] <Darkside> Gadget-Mac: are you in HAB mode?
[11:12] <Gadget-Mac> Nope.
[11:12] <daveake> So anyone in or around Chesterfield? Free tracker coming your way :D
[11:12] <Gadget-Mac> Would that help
[11:12] <Darkside> then load it in hab mode
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[11:13] <Gadget-Mac> Darkside: o
[11:13] <Gadget-Mac> +k
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[11:14] <fsphil> shame these things pop so easily
[11:14] <daveake> yep
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[11:15] <daveake> Well we just wanted to get rid of the tracker and use up some helium, so we did that :)
[11:16] <fsphil> this is the best way
[11:18] <Darkside> daveake: so whats the payload?
[11:18] <Darkside> boost convertered pico-ava i take it?
[11:18] <daveake> Yep. Single AA
[11:19] <Darkside> err, single?
[11:19] <daveake> yes
[11:19] <Darkside> then your battery voltage measurement is wrong
[11:19] <Darkside> its reasing 2.27v
[11:19] <daveake> mine? :)
[11:19] <Darkside> reading*
[11:19] <Gadget-Mac> Darkside: Ok, getting something looks lige gibberish to me :(
[11:19] <Darkside> Gadget-Mac: did you autoconfigure?
[11:20] <Gadget-Mac> Yup. maybe not enough signal
[11:24] <Gadget-Mac> Darkside: heres what it looks like https://dl.dropbox.com/u/6014682/Screen%20shot%202012-08-12%20at%2012.22.50.png
[11:24] <fsphil> the sea is a bit rougher today
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[11:25] <Darkside> Gadget-Mac: thats not the signal
[11:27] <Gadget-Mac> Well there you go, actually it's gone now so missed it messing around.
[11:27] <kpiman> what is the freq?
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[11:28] <LazyLeopard> 434.186.6
[11:28] <Gadget-Mac> Darkside: Thanks for the pointers anythow
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[11:32] Action: Colin-G8TMV gives up, can still hear it but haven't had a decode for quite a while
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[11:33] Nick change: fsphil -> fsphil_M0VIM_MM
[11:33] <number10_M0MDB> fsphil_M0VIM_MM: have you spoken to the captain? :)
[11:34] <fsphil_M0VIM_MM> haha, sadly you have to be under 14 to enter the "meet the captain" competition
[11:35] Nick change: fsphil_M0VIM_MM -> fsphil
[11:35] <fsphil> I was surprised how little activity I heard in Edinburgh
[11:35] <fsphil> 2m and 70cm was as quite there as it is at home
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[11:40] Nick change: number10_M0MDB -> number10
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[11:47] <navrac-off> can still hear it - but too weak for good decodes
[11:48] <Rob_m0dts> i like the new feature of elevation on dl-fldigi
[11:49] <Rob_m0dts> pava very qsb here but upto S9
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[11:59] <Adam_> where will this balloon land i wonder?
[12:01] <daveake> Somewhere west of Chesterfield by the look of it
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[12:02] <daveake> If anyone thereabouts fancies a free tracker, and some hunting practice, be my guest :)
[12:02] <Adam_> hmm, its just slightly too far for me, wish it would go further east.. would love to find a free tracker haha :)
[12:03] <daveake> I was hoping it'd be a homing balloon, but it's not going to get as far as Upu at this rate
[12:03] <MrScienceMan> wooo
[12:03] <MrScienceMan> free tracker
[12:04] <Adam_> :(
[12:04] <MrScienceMan> dont worry its gonna land in a river or smth
[12:04] <MrScienceMan> :)
[12:04] <Adam_> lol
[12:04] <Adam_> mrscience - you gonna get it?
[12:04] <MrScienceMan> no
[12:04] <MrScienceMan> im far away
[12:05] <Adam_> hmm, if it were to come east of nottingham, it might just be worth it, but not worth going that far
[12:06] <daveake> Upu, I can't give your stuff away :D
[12:07] <LazyLeopard> Heh ;)
[12:07] <Adam_> it isn't reporting positions much is it?
[12:07] <LazyLeopard> What was it testing this time?
[12:08] <daveake> DC-DC from a single AA
[12:08] <LazyLeopard> Ah ;)
[12:08] <daveake> But really that tracker is a bit iffy, and I had some spare helium, so I'm *trying* to get rid of it :)
[12:09] <Adam_> Battery: 1.274 V...
[12:09] <LazyLeopard> ...so you put Upu's address on it?
[12:09] <number10> last time it was testing the patience of trackers
[12:09] <daveake> lol
[12:09] <LazyLeopard> Was, wasn't it. ;)
[12:09] <daveake> No, no address
[12:09] <Adam_> so how is it marked?
[12:09] <number10> apologies UpuWork
[12:10] <daveake> It wasn't. Upu doesn't want it back
[12:10] <Adam_> if no one else wants to get it, I might be able to get someone near to Derby to get it for me haha
[12:10] <daveake> Fly it or bin it :)
[12:10] <daveake> Be my guest
[12:10] <daveake> Needs to be done today - battery won't last beyond midnight
[12:11] <LazyLeopard> A travelling tracker, launched by one, retrieved and launched by another, rinse and repeat. ;)
[12:11] <Adam_> cant it be got another day? if i were to take note of the coo-ordinates?
[12:11] <daveake> Good luck with that
[12:11] <Laurenceb_> ohh right over me
[12:11] <Laurenceb_> I'll get binoculars
[12:11] <daveake> :)
[12:11] <daveake> It's silver
[12:11] <daveake> :D
[12:11] <Adam_> :)
[12:12] <Laurenceb_> hmm i may have to pick it up
[12:12] <Laurenceb_> shortly
[12:12] <Adam_> oh no.. looks like it's going to land in the peak district park..
[12:12] <daveake> Yes
[12:12] <Adam_> that's one hard place to navigate!
[12:12] <Adam_> won't bother..
[12:12] <Laurenceb_> luckly I live there then
[12:12] <daveake> lol
[12:14] <Adam_> someone get it :D
[12:14] <Adam_> can't just let it die. :(
[12:14] <Laurenceb_> dobt ill see it due to hill
[12:14] <Adam_> laurence, going to get it? :P
[12:15] <Laurenceb_> probably, if it lands
[12:15] <Adam_> woo :)
[12:15] <Laurenceb_> is it yours?
[12:15] <Adam_> nope
[12:15] <Adam_> i believe it's Upu's
[12:16] <Adam_> but seems like it's a community on ehaha
[12:16] <daveake> Yes, it's Upu's
[12:16] <daveake> It's flown twice before
[12:16] <Adam_> someone land one in Lincolnshire sometime, then I can hunt :)
[12:17] <Adam_> predictor has just updated, seems to be going further north.. past park
[12:18] <daveake> I don't know how accurate that is with this kind of flight - the descent rate is low and the slight randomness in the gps altitude tends to make the recorded descent rate bounce up and down.
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[12:21] <Upu> come to daddy
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[12:21] <Upu> death in the peak district then ?
[12:22] <fsphil> oooh where is it?
[12:22] <daveake> Looks like
[12:22] <daveake> I was trying to get it to land on the end of your yagi but it burst a bit too early
[12:23] <daveake> fsphil NNW of Derby at th emo
[12:23] <Upu> power saving code working well
[12:23] <daveake> Upu 7174m max. When are you creating a pico altitude record table?
[12:23] <daveake> yep
[12:24] <Upu> what sized balloon was it ?
[12:24] <daveake> Not sure about the recorded battery voltage
[12:24] <Upu> it needs calibrating
[12:24] <daveake> One of the 92cm (I think) foil ones
[12:24] <Upu> code is from my test board here
[12:24] <Upu> and it differs
[12:24] <daveake> sure
[12:24] <Laurenceb_> hmm coming down too slowly
[12:26] <Upu> shame that didn't continue as its hilariously on track for home
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[12:27] <Upu> I mailed the peaksky team
[12:30] <Upu> [13:09] <number10> last time it was testing the patience of trackers
[12:30] <Upu> no apology needed the radio module sucks on it
[12:30] <Upu> but we've added more intro $'s now
[12:30] <Upu> signal is very strong here
[12:30] <Upu> but thats unsurprising given its coming my way
[12:32] <number10> adding the $$ made it possible to track Upu
[12:32] <Upu> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=d46c975cb28297912f049ad0ee4b801dedaaad7b
[12:32] <Upu> yeah
[12:32] <Upu> the module is fault I'm sure
[12:33] <Upu> faulty
[12:35] <Upu> I think thats going to land close to where the Peaksky guys live
[12:35] <daveake> BBQ smoker now cooking chicken and pork for later
[12:35] <Upu> omm nom nom
[12:35] <daveake> ^^ reason I didn't want to chase :p
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[12:35] <Upu> ah
[12:35] <Upu> mr Tanner
[12:36] <Upu> fancy a day out in the country ? :)
[12:36] <Upu> daveake sent you a present
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[12:36] <jdtanner> Hello...I see it is coming this way. Unfortunately I've torn a muscle in my nether regions so am confined to the house :(
[12:36] <Upu> Free tracker if you find it, 2 previous owners
[12:36] <Upu> lol
[12:36] <Upu> I mean
[12:36] <daveake> ouch
[12:36] <Upu> not lol thats not funny
[12:36] <jdtanner> Nope...rather sore :p
[12:37] <Upu> Send David out ? :)
[12:37] <Upu> Its going to land just short of Matlock I think
[12:37] <jdtanner> So if it can sit in the field until tomorrow then I'll see if David can get it...although he might fancy a trip out this afternoon
[12:37] <Upu> well
[12:37] <Upu> it will continue to transmit for 15 hours
[12:37] <Upu> ish
[12:37] <jdtanner> I know the area really well as well
[12:37] <jdtanner> :(
[12:38] <jdtanner> What is the current dial?
[12:38] <Upu> 434.186
[12:38] <Upu> its at 1km high now
[12:38] <Upu> so you don't have long
[12:38] <Upu> I'm still receiving it here
[12:38] <Upu> but I suspect its going to cut off very sharpy soon
[12:39] <jdtanner> Very very faint here
[12:39] <jdtanner> but I'm on the other sideof a hill
[12:39] <Upu> yeah
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[12:39] <jdtanner> I'll see if David is out and about
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[12:39] <Upu> well if David does have a radio it will be transmitting for a while I suspect
[12:39] <Upu> its about an hour and a half round trip for me from here
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[12:40] <Upu> and I've already used my wife points up this month
[12:40] <DrLuke> hah
[12:40] <jdtanner> David could borrow mine...
[12:41] <jdtanner> I'll drop him a text
[12:42] <Upu> gone
[12:42] <daveake> :(
[12:42] <daveake> I mean :)
[12:42] <Upu> he just mailed me
[12:44] <jdtanner> Just got the same...if I can get mobile I'll go out for a drive to see if I can at least get a position fix.
[12:44] <Upu> don't kill yourself
[12:44] <Laurenceb__> im currently about 5 miles south
[12:45] <Upu> really ?
[12:45] <jdtanner> No intention :) I was in a&e last night so I'm not in any real state to jump over walls
[12:45] <Upu> you know you'll have to go outside Laurenceb ? :)
[12:45] <jdtanner> lol
[12:46] <jdtanner> Laurenceb__ if you go out can you drop me a line so that I'm not chasing shadows :)
[12:46] <Laurenceb__> its raining
[12:46] <jdtanner> As Pava comes a bit closer I might be able to start tracking...
[12:47] <Laurenceb__> jdtanner: where are you?
[12:47] <daveake> It'll be down 10 mins
[12:47] <jdtanner> Sheldon...3 miles west of Bakewell
[12:47] <Laurenceb__> ill get my sdr dongle
[12:48] <jdtanner> ...sorry to not be much use...typical!!!
[12:49] <Upu> 53.0988 -1.5479
[12:49] <Upu> is where it is predicted to land
[12:49] <Laurenceb__> frequency?
[12:49] <Upu> 434.184
[12:51] <Upu> buy you all a pint
[12:51] <LazyLeopard> I'd have guessed just north-west of Wirksworth and west of Cromford in the tallest tree in one of those woods on the edge of the Peaks...
[12:52] <Laurenceb__> hmm cant see it
[12:52] <Laurenceb__> but i only have an indoor whip
[12:54] <Laurenceb__> closer to jdtanner then
[12:54] <jdtanner> I think it is a case of getting out in the car and having a look-see
[12:54] <jdtanner> If you can wait until after 5pm I'll see if David wants to pop over and borrow my kit
[12:54] <Upu> if you have the time and can be bothered
[12:55] <jdtanner> I'll be leading from the rear...i.e. my house
[12:55] <jdtanner> Just don't want to push the injury
[12:55] <Upu> battery has probably 12 hours left
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[12:55] <Upu> yeah don't worry about it
[12:55] <jdtanner> Are you still recieving?
[12:55] <Upu> no
[12:56] <Upu> if you get on a highish point near there
[12:56] <Upu> with a radio I'd be surprised if you can't hear it
[12:56] <jdtanner> Roger
[12:56] <jdtanner> I'll update you later
[12:56] <Upu> thanks
[12:56] <daveake> Upu You'll be pleased to know that PAVA on 434.2 stops the central locking on the Shogun!
[12:56] <Upu> lol
[12:56] <Upu> from now on all my payloads are on 434.200
[12:57] <Laurenceb__> if you cant get out of the car then you know you are close
[12:57] <Upu> yeah
[12:57] <daveake> :D
[12:59] <Upu> so any news on when you plan to launch PEAKSKY jdtanner ?
[13:02] <jdtanner> Well, hopefully before the end of October. I'm about to start a new job, so things have been a bit quiet on the hobby front. I have a tracker up and running now...and David is getting there...so we'll be properly ready.
[13:02] <jdtanner> Looks like David might be coming around later...so if he drives we'll see if we can at least get a position fix!
[13:03] <Upu> ok that would be amazing
[13:03] <Upu> getting you a picture of it
[13:03] <Upu> but I suspect its just looks like bubble wrap with a parachute
[13:03] <jdtanner> lol...I'll coordinate the photos :)
[13:04] <jdtanner> How accurate is the landing predictor?
[13:04] <Upu> not hugely at that altitude
[13:04] <Upu> let me have a look
[13:05] <Upu> I'd probably find a high point in Cromford
[13:05] <Upu> and start having a listen there
[13:05] <Upu> do you have a Yagi ?
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[13:10] <jdtanner> Nope...just a whip...but we can drive around
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[13:13] <daveake> Not got any close-ups, just http://imgur.com/a/6N4RM
[13:13] <Upu> where did you launch from ?
[13:14] <daveake> Ridgeway, a few miles from here
[13:14] <daveake> Only 1 tree for miles :)
[13:14] <Upu> so basically jdtanner you're looking for something that looks like a piece of litter :/
[13:14] <jdtanner> haha
[13:14] <daveake> It's just some bubble wrap and brown parcel tape :)
[13:15] <daveake> And a 92cm silver balloon, which is usually a giveaway
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[13:16] <jdtanner> brown...nice and easy to spot then
[13:16] <jdtanner> ;)
[13:16] <daveake> :)
[13:16] <daveake> Probably the balloon will still be partially inflated, bouncing around in the wind
[13:17] <daveake> So not as difficult to spot as you might think
[13:17] <daveake> Especially at night with a torch, like my last pico :D
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[13:55] <jdtanner> Laurenceb__ did you decide to have a go huntng pava?
[13:55] <Laurenceb__> no
[13:56] <Laurenceb__> you're welcome to it
[13:58] <jdtanner> haha...not what i wanted to hear
[13:58] <Upu> don't worry about it jdtanner
[13:58] <Upu> its not that important we intended no recovery
[13:59] <jdtanner> i'm scrabbling about trying to find 8xaa batteries...can you believe it!!!
[13:59] <Laurenceb__> if you want i can recover some time during the week
[13:59] <Upu> not a good boy scout then :)
[13:59] <jdtanner> i have 7
[13:59] <jdtanner> :P
[13:59] <jdtanner> brb
[14:00] <Laurenceb__> i dont have a radio setup
[14:05] <daveake> Launch video - http://youtu.be/RBP3tgjI50g
[14:06] <Upu> has that balloon got any gas in it ?
[14:06] <daveake> yes :)
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[14:06] <Upu> windy
[14:07] <Upu> very windy
[14:07] <Upu> fly my beauty!
[14:08] <daveake> :D
[14:08] <daveake> Not had to run for a foil launch before
[14:08] <griffonbot> @AnthonyStirk: Launch of pAVA Pico Balloon: http://t.co/xqK7aHZW via @youtube #ukhas [http://twitter.com/AnthonyStirk/status/234652647825764352]
[14:09] <Upu> almost looked a little too windy
[14:09] <upix> daveake: is that you in that video?
[14:09] <daveake> Yeah. It eased off during the run-up
[14:09] <daveake> Yes
[14:09] Action: LazyLeopard is amused to see ithe related videos include a SpaceX Falcon 9 launch, The Juno and MSL launches, and several shuttle launches. ;)
[14:09] <Upu> in the same league
[14:09] <daveake> lol
[14:10] <MrScienceMan> mars rover has only 250mbits bandwidt
[14:10] <MrScienceMan> :(
[14:11] <upix> i wish i had that much
[14:11] <MrScienceMan> per day
[14:12] <upix> oh
[14:12] <upix> lol
[14:14] <upix> btw daveake does PAVA just free fall or is there any chute
[14:15] <SpeedEvil> on the topic of batteries.
[14:15] <upix> I assume the baloon explodes
[14:15] <SpeedEvil> www.powerstream.com seems to have some interesting ones
[14:15] <MrScienceMan> bannana and cherry flavoured batteries
[14:15] <daveake> upix These things free-fall. They still have some lift
[14:15] <SpeedEvil> Down to 330mg li-ion (7mAh)
[14:15] <daveake> No, they don't "explode", they tear
[14:16] <upix> alright
[14:16] <SpeedEvil> And thin-film li-ion.
[14:17] <SpeedEvil> 0.5-1mm thick
[14:18] <Laurenceb__> nice
[14:19] <Laurenceb__> but zinc air is applicable to those scales
[14:19] <Laurenceb__> bbl
[14:25] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] Launch Announcement (11th August) MONDO"
[14:26] <Upu> lol
[14:26] <Upu> check that mail from Mick
[14:26] <daveake> lol
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[14:27] <daveake> Did he have a chute then?
[14:27] <Upu> not sure
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[14:48] <JFS1> I was in Arizona 10 days ago and saw a crater just like the one that MONDO produced yesterday - never realised they had HABs crashing out there too
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[14:49] <daveake> that the one near Winslow?
[14:51] <JFS1> Yeah, was great to see it, and also managed a good evening at the Lovell Observatory in Flagstaff. You been there?
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[14:53] <daveake> Not been to either, but we did an RV trip from Phoenix in 2010 and went thru both areas
[14:53] <daveake> Were there for the canyons mainly
[14:54] <JFS1> Canyons are great - was my first time in AZ and loved it.
[14:55] <daveake> Had a great time aside from an infected root canal which did f**k things up for me
[14:55] <daveake> Had to find a local dentist to check it out and supply pain relief
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[14:56] <JFS1> MAJORLY bad luck to have that go wrong on you. Wouldn't want to have to deal with that out there - or anywhere else actually
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[14:58] <daveake> surprisingly the treatment was cheaper than my own dentist, but even with the painkillers it hurt a lot for most of the holiday and I didn't get a lot of sleep
[14:58] <daveake> Anyway, tooth gone now, implant in place, and we've got another RV roadtrip this October. California this time
[15:00] <JFS1> Enjoy! Don't know CA much myself.
[15:03] <daveake> We're doing LA --> Palm Springs --> Kings Canyon --> Yosemite --> Lake Tahoe --> Lassen Volcano --> San Francisco --> LA (via the Pacific Coast Highway). Should be fun :)
[15:03] <cuddykid> CA is awesome
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[15:06] <daveake> It is. A long time ago we did a 3-week RV trip starting in LA and taking in the Grand Canyon etc. The first week was in CA and we said at the time we should go back and spend longer there.
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[15:08] <JFS1> Would make for an awesome video if you did a HAB from there.
[15:09] <daveake> :)
[15:10] <daveake> I think the resulting divorce might be equally awesome ...
[15:10] <JFS1> You might be on your own for tracking though
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[15:12] <JFS1> Perhaps you've just hit on another reason why I'm not married - guess I just don't think these things through!
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[15:41] <jdtanner> What is the likelihood PAVA would survive until tomorrow morning?
[15:42] <Upu> unlikely
[15:42] <jdtanner> meh...thought so
[15:42] <Upu> it was powered up @ 10am
[15:42] <Upu> with an estimated 15 hour battery life
[15:42] <Upu> it might stretch a little further but not 24 hours
[15:42] <jdtanner> right...bugger
[15:43] <Upu> like i say don't worry about it
[15:44] <jdtanner> ok...what a shame/pain. We are out in the park tomorrow anyway...so will have a go
[15:44] <daveake> Was on at about 9:30 actually
[15:45] <daveake> Not that it matters much
[15:46] <jdtanner> I'm just trying to see if there is a decent high spot near by (although I'm at 1000ft)
[15:46] <Upu> you'll need to be within 500 meters of it I suspect
[15:46] <Upu> depends where its landed really
[15:47] <jdtanner> Where I am... http://www.heywhatsthat.com/?view=FCBARFL5
[15:47] <jdtanner> turn on visibility cloak
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[15:48] <Upu> you're close
[15:48] <Upu> the live prediction has it landing near Winster
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[16:23] <Adam_> what happened with PAVA?
[16:24] <Adam_> looks like the tracker died?
[16:24] <Upu> it was coming down and no receivers in the area
[16:24] <Upu> its likely to still be alive
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[16:25] <Adam_> ok
[16:25] <Adam_> actually, i know why
[16:25] <Adam_> the peak district is very mountainous
[16:25] <Adam_> so that'll cause problems...
[16:25] <Upu> 10 points to Adam
[16:25] <Adam_> previously it was transmitting to leeds
[16:26] <Adam_> Haha
[16:26] <Adam_> Watch it :D
[16:26] <Upu> well close
[16:26] <Upu> Halifax
[16:26] <Adam_> :P
[16:26] <Adam_> hopefully someone will go and get it :)
[16:26] <Adam_> if it was lincolnshire, i'd go for it, but we spoke earlier and no one is local..
[16:27] <Upu> well someone may be going to have a look
[16:27] <Adam_> Anyway, hopefully i'll get a balloon of my own going someday.
[16:27] <Adam_> laurenceB lives near nottingham, so said he might be able to
[16:27] <Upu> no he doesn't go outside
[16:28] <Adam_> :)
[16:28] <Adam_> How soon do you despatch orders from your site?
[16:28] <Upu> next day
[16:28] <Adam_> excellent
[16:28] <Upu> however as of Wednesday I'm working away for 3 days
[16:28] <Adam_> I'll place an order this evening then..
[16:28] <Upu> so if you want it this week place it before Tuesday 12 lunch time
[16:28] <Upu> it'll go tomorrow
[16:28] <Adam_> Excellent :)
[16:29] <Adam_> UKHAS is the discount code right? ;
[16:29] <Upu> yep
[16:29] <Adam_> awesome
[16:29] <daveake> PINK for extra discount
[16:30] <Adam_> double discount?
[16:30] <Upu> lol
[16:30] <daveake> yes </lie_mode>
[16:30] <Upu> no :)
[16:30] <Adam_> :)
[16:30] <Adam_> hoping to get the £40 GPS breakout
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[16:32] <Upu> Yeah the Arduino one
[16:32] <Adam_> yup
[16:32] <Adam_> 5v
[16:33] <Broliv> Yeah I've got that one. It's pretty good
[16:33] <Adam_> i've got a few weeks off, so hopefully that should give me enough time to get a working prototype tracker running..
[16:33] <Adam_> I hear the serantel antenna is good
[16:33] <Upu> I have one sat here right now
[16:33] <Adam_> :)
[16:33] <Upu> yep they are good
[16:34] <Adam_> I heard the tracker in PAVA was yours, seems like it's now a 'community' tracker ;) haha
[16:34] <Adam_> should've got it to land in Lincolshire, then i'd have got it :D
[16:35] <Upu> well if you can find it, its yours :)
[16:35] <Upu> Though Dave might have encased the whole thing in hot glue
[16:35] <Adam_> haha, it's too far :(
[16:35] <Adam_> haha
[16:37] <Adam_> you need to make one side of the payload a shipping label ;) so if someone finds it they can just take it to the post office or wherever and it's prepaid :D
[16:39] <daveake> Just a little glue, and it'll peel off :)
[16:40] <Adam_> hmm
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[17:02] <Adam_> Upu
[17:02] <Adam_> What's all this about a battery backup with the GPS breakout?
[17:02] <Adam_> will I need it?
[17:07] <daveake> It can make it quicker to get a lock after power up
[17:08] <daveake> Handy during testing if you're switching the GPS off
[17:08] <daveake> I wouldn't bother otherwise
[17:10] <Adam_> ah, think i'll get it shorted out then, wont use that
[17:10] <eroomde> Adam_: battery backup is explained in the ublox 6 hardware manual
[17:10] <eroomde> http://www.u-blox.com/images/downloads/Product_Docs/LEA-6_NEO-6_MAX-6_HardwareIntegrationManual_%28GPS.G6-HW-09007%29.pdf
[17:10] <eroomde> it's a useful doc in general
[17:10] <Adam_> i'll favorite it, thanks
[17:11] <DrLuke> Adam_ It's used for retaining some data in it's memory in case the power goes out, so it takes less time to lock again when power is back
[17:11] <Adam_> ah
[17:11] <eroomde> assuming it has not been off for too long*
[17:12] <daveake> eroomde I have a shoulder joint of pork and a chicken in the smoker
[17:12] <daveake> </dribble>
[17:13] <eroomde> nice guinea fowel outside today
[17:13] <daveake> :)
[17:16] <eroomde> did a sourdough too
[17:16] <eroomde> first bread for ages
[17:16] <eroomde> was nice
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[17:19] <DrLuke> I wonder whether the spacenear.us tracker has some sort of API
[17:24] <eroomde> many have before. they're all dead now
[17:26] <DrLuke> it would be pretty cool to have an automatic yagi that locks onto the nearest balloon or something
[17:26] <eroomde> oh that exists and has already been done
[17:27] <eroomde> but that's not really spacenera.us, that's really just the live map
[17:27] <eroomde> the data is all handled by habitat on the habhub server
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[17:27] <eroomde> you can already grab the lastest positions as a json i think
[17:28] <DrLuke> oooh
[17:28] <DrLuke> I'm a bit confused now
[17:28] <DrLuke> so basically fldigi sends the data to habitat?
[17:28] <eroomde> we had our az/el tracker controlled by a python script that read a webpage which was set up to specifically show the latest lat/lon/alt of a payload
[17:28] <eroomde> DrLuke: yes
[17:29] <eroomde> it's a bit spread out at the mom between the old system and habitat (the new system) but I think the plan is that everything will be handled by habitat eventually, including live mapping
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[17:30] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[17:30] <DrLuke> hey
[17:30] <Lunar_Lander> daveake, congratulations for PAVA :)
[17:30] <Lunar_Lander> hi DrLuke
[17:30] <DrLuke> eroomde: thanks for clearing that up, I should read the habitat docs
[17:31] <eroomde> that + ask Randomskk or DanielRichman
[17:31] <eroomde> they are doing the work on habitat and migrating everything across
[17:31] <eroomde> it's still a work in progress i think
[17:32] <eroomde> but yes there's certainly lots of scpe for automaticifying everything, like radio tuning and yagi pointing
[17:32] <eroomde> indeed that would be great, it was annoying having to babysit say XABEN yesterday as the radio went drifting off the radio passband all the time
[17:33] <DrLuke> it shouldn't be too hard to whip something up in gnuradio
[17:34] <DrLuke> I just need to finally get my ntx2 from upu
[17:34] <daveake> fldigi can do the tuning now
[17:34] <daveake> I have that set up with my 817 and a USB CAT cable
[17:36] <eroomde> sftp the program really is shit
[17:37] <DrLuke> daveake: tune the radio or actually deal with different audio-frequencies coming in?
[17:37] <Lunar_Lander> hi daveake
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[17:40] <Adam_> M0RND
[17:41] <DanielRichman> DrLuke: https://github.com/ukhas and http://habitat.habhub.org
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[17:44] <DanielRichman> one of those git repos is a yagi aimer and the second page has a link to the latest docs
[17:46] <eroomde> upu reported yagi aimer being off i think yesterday
[17:46] <eroomde> i might be misremembering
[17:47] <DanielRichman> however those are the docs for the development version (beta.habitat.habhub.org)
[17:47] <daveake> DrLuke Once you tune on the 2 lines, if they drift towards one side or the other it retunes to centre them
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[17:49] <DanielRichman> I don't know which version Upu's using
[17:49] <DanielRichman> old fldigi assumes a flat earth iirc
[17:49] <DrLuke> ah thanks daveake
[17:50] <eroomde> ouch
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[18:00] <Upu> I have the version that can't work out the distance either so i didn't read much into it
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[18:11] <Lunar_Lander> hello Upu DanielRichman RocketBoy
[18:12] <Upu> multi hi pew pew
[18:12] <Upu> Hi Lunar
[18:12] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[18:12] <Lunar_Lander> how are you today?
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[18:15] <BackHive> Anybody here ?
[18:16] <Upu> possibly
[18:16] <Upu> depends if its a super complex question
[18:16] <Adam_> :)
[18:16] <BackHive> :)
[18:16] <BackHive> OK, I'll give it a try.....
[18:18] <eroomde> super complex questions preferred, we should say to disambiguate
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[18:19] <BackHive> For my HAB project I have an Arduino and NTX2 (already working so far) and I have a FAO3 GPS in transit. I have the tutorial on how to hook them all up and the code etc.. Im wondering if I can get the coordinates to display on a map, rather than just see them in FlDigi ?
[18:20] <eroomde> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
[18:21] <Upu> BackHive you will need to submit a payload document
[18:21] <Upu> I'd read eroomde's link
[18:21] <eroomde> read that page, but the thing to digest is that fldigi will upload the strings for you if you submit a payload doc
[18:21] <eroomde> which you can do with the following link
[18:21] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/communication:protocol
[18:21] <Upu> like a smooth team
[18:22] <eroomde> high 5 Upu
[18:22] <RocketBoy> BackHive - where did you get the FSA03?
[18:23] <BackHive> I got the FSA03 from this website (Anthony Stark) .
[18:23] <Upu> :)
[18:23] <Upu> its not an FSA03
[18:23] <Adam_> FSA03 is the antenna isn't it?
[18:23] <Adam_> uBlox is the chip
[18:24] <Upu> no
[18:24] <Upu> the antenna is Sarantel
[18:24] <daveake> FSA03 is a particular module with ublox and Sarantel antenna
[18:24] <daveake> No longer sold AFAIK
[18:24] <Adam_> :D
[18:24] <BackHive> OK, thanks for the link, I will read thru it shortly but am I correct in understanding that. Fldigi uploads the info to a website and it displays it on a map ?
[18:24] <daveake> Which is a shame as they were cheap
[18:24] <Upu> Falcom FSA03 is a slightly older module that uses the ublox 5 (some used 6 as well) with the Sarantel
[18:24] <daveake> ^ uBlox 6 for the -LP version
[18:24] <Upu> as daveake says its EoL
[18:25] <Adam_> Upu, order placed on your website btw :)
[18:25] <Upu> noted thakns
[18:25] <BackHive> Well I ordered the entire chebang, £45 or so. breakout board, Ublox and andenna
[18:25] <daveake> And ToT too (Top of Tree)
[18:25] <Upu> yeah they look like FSA03's but they are a little more robust
[18:25] <Adam_> BackHive - same :D
[18:25] <BackHive> Upu, as that you A. S. ?
[18:26] <Upu> Anthony Stirk yes
[18:26] <Upu> Stark is a character from Game of Thrones
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[18:26] <BackHive> I chatted here recently with you but forgotten your handle on here.. sorry :)
[18:26] <eroomde> lord stark of pinkpayloadeon
[18:27] <eroomde> a man of the north
[18:27] <daveake> stark raving hab
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[18:28] <Upu> no problems
[18:28] <Upu> I am a man of the north indeed
[18:28] <Upu> you may call me...ned
[18:29] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[18:29] <Lunar_Lander> you know what would be awesome?
[18:29] <eroomde> don't tell your shareholders that
[18:29] <Lunar_Lander> if Brian Cox would come on here
[18:29] <Upu> you launching a balloon Lunar
[18:29] <eroomde> business prospects a little dodgey
[18:29] <Upu> that would be awesome
[18:29] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[18:29] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[18:29] <BackHive> Upu, whats a payload document ?
[18:30] <Randomskk> BackHive: it describes the format of your radio data
[18:30] <Randomskk> so that the server can parse it and put it on the map
[18:31] <Randomskk> you can make one (for now) using http://habitat.habhub.org/genpayload/
[18:31] <BackHive> So when i'm driving along in my car, following the ballon, my laptop will need to have a reliable internet connection to upload the data and view the map live.. is that correct ?
[18:31] <Upu> for you to upload yes
[18:31] <Randomskk> essentially yes
[18:31] <Upu> but thats the beauty of it
[18:32] <Upu> you could be disconnected
[18:32] <Upu> but everyone else is uploading
[18:32] <Upu> so when you get connection back you still know where it is
[18:32] <Upu> thats the 'd' for distributed in dl-fldigi
[18:32] <Randomskk> there's not so much any easy ways to get a map in your car without internet
[18:32] <Upu> distributed listener
[18:32] <eroomde> Randomskk: buy a map ata the petrol station?
[18:33] <Randomskk> maps tend to use OS Grid
[18:33] <Randomskk> annoying
[18:33] <BackHive> So if I lose my connection, as you described, how will others be able to track it if it's not upoading ?
[18:33] <eroomde> it is uploading
[18:33] <Randomskk> others have their own radios
[18:34] <Randomskk> and receive from your payload
[18:34] <eroomde> the balloon transmits, it has no idea who is listening
[18:34] <Randomskk> and upload on their own internet
[18:34] <eroomde> so we can all tune our own radioas to its frequency
[18:34] <eroomde> and can download your payload document
[18:34] <eroomde> and so upload the data from your balloon to the net
[18:34] <BackHive> Ah right, they are recieving too and feeding into fl-Digi on their own PC/laptop ?
[18:34] <Randomskk> yes
[18:34] <eroomde> that's part of the fun of the hobby - we all track each other's payloads
[18:35] <daveake> And once the flight is up a little way, they'll be more reliable than you in the chase car, probably
[18:35] <BackHive> Well, not so sure of the chance of that here in Ireland. Other tracking folk will need to have a yagi antenna at least....
[18:35] <Randomskk> you'd be surprised.
[18:35] <eroomde> you'd be surprised
[18:35] <daveake> +1 - it's a lot of fun just helping track
[18:35] <eroomde> lol
[18:36] <daveake> Record distance something like 800km, so Ireland --> UK no problem (once it's up some distance)
[18:36] <BackHive> Well I might have to go to a popular 'radio/scanning/ham' website here and solicit a volunteer or two :)
[18:36] <Randomskk> yup, for sure
[18:36] <Randomskk> they just need to download the dl-fldigi software and then they can upload too
[18:36] <eroomde> high encouraged
[18:36] <Randomskk> but be sure to announce your launch on the UKHAS list, as people in the UK might well be able to pick it up
[18:36] <BackHive> Im in Dublin, but planning on driving west to do the launch
[18:36] <eroomde> next time there's a uk launch, come onto this channel
[18:36] <eroomde> you'll see everything is chatting here
[18:37] <eroomde> and you'll see stations appearing on the tracking map
[18:37] <eroomde> which are instances of fldigi where people are onlione and tracking
[18:37] <BackHive> cool! I'll do that
[18:37] <eroomde> this weekend for example there must have been maybe 20 stations helping track
[18:37] <fsphil> I'll be launching ometime in the next month
[18:37] <fsphil> you should be able to receive that
[18:38] <eroomde> if there are several flights happening simultaneously, usually everyone coordinates on here to make sure everyone payload is being tracked
[18:38] <eroomde> i.e. we're not all just tracking one
[18:38] <daveake> Also, the amount of help you'll get whilst chasing your payload is incredible. Everything from landing predictions and driving instructions to the location of the nearest fish & chip shop to eat in whilst waiting for your payload to get carried back to the beach by the tide
[18:38] <Upu> go look at www.spacenear.us/tracker now
[18:39] <eroomde> like a student flat after a party
[18:39] <Upu> You'll even sometimes get phone numbers for the local tree surgeon
[18:39] <daveake> lol
[18:39] <fsphil> ooh, quite a few new stations up north
[18:40] <Upu> Broliv :)
[18:40] <Upu> check you in Manchester
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[18:41] <Upu> Your best bet for starting is try help track some flights first
[18:42] <Upu> will give you a better understanding of whats going on
[18:42] <Lunar_Lander> xD daveake
[18:42] <fsphil> also means it's one less thing to learn on launch day
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[18:42] <Lunar_Lander> wb DrLuke
[18:42] <DrLuke> thanks
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[18:42] <Lunar_Lander> hi mclane
[18:42] <DrLuke> my dsl-splitter is having some mechanical failures again
[18:43] <Gadget-Mac> Is PAVA really still floating along ?
[18:43] <Upu> no
[18:43] <Upu> its landed somewhere in the Peak District
[18:43] <Adam_> signal lost earlier today
[18:43] <Adam_> probs due to the hills!
[18:43] <Upu> wasn't a bad effort by daveake to send it back to me
[18:43] <Lunar_Lander> DrLuke, oh :(
[18:43] <fsphil> it's properly lost in there
[18:43] <Lunar_Lander> I got a question too
[18:43] <Lunar_Lander> hi fsphil
[18:43] <Gadget-Mac> Ah.
[18:43] <fsphil> hya kev
[18:44] <daveake> Yeah just fell short Upu
[18:44] <Upu> unfortunately jdtanner who lives there isn't well so was unable to go locate it
[18:44] <Lunar_Lander> can an arduino be faulty?
[18:44] <daveake> Anything can be faulty
[18:44] <DrLuke> in what way
[18:44] <daveake> Especially software
[18:44] <daveake> And wiring
[18:44] <Upu> well get the circuit diagram out for the Arduino
[18:44] <DrLuke> pins can be destroyed if the load draws too much current
[18:44] <Gadget-Mac> Encouraged that I managed to pick up the PAVA signal on the AOR8000 with just the whip antenna :)
[18:45] <daveake> Lunar stop clutching at straws and go debug the thing
[18:45] <BackHive> Ive tried trial inputs on that online prediction website and its obvious I need to head a good deal west for a launch
[18:45] <Upu> every single one of those components could be duff
[18:45] <BackHive> but thanks for all your help guys
[18:45] <Upu> Hey Gadget-Mac that was good as it had a dicky radio and wasn't flying high
[18:45] <fsphil> it's quite possible to launch on a small island and get it back, just takes patience waiting for the right weather
[18:45] <Gadget-Mac> Just working out how far away it was
[18:46] <daveake> BackHive Either that or launch into England and someone here can collect :)
[18:46] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil, these days we get really interesting predictions here
[18:46] <fsphil> just not yorkshire :)
[18:46] <Adam_> and then return it back to you in the mail xD
[18:46] <daveake> :)
[18:46] <fsphil> although it does give you a good excuse for a holiday
[18:46] <Lunar_Lander> for example, a launch to 37 km a bit north from here would land about 3 km from the launch
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[18:47] <Lunar_Lander> have a look at that http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=20487e2f5348ea77ce322b5629c53558a6d9c141
[18:48] <mclane> Question tothe ukhas people: how do I get a live prediction of the flight track? I have a flight document published (PYSY), but did not see the prediction
[18:48] <Gadget-Mac> Upu: About 55km away :)
[18:48] <mclane> I mean a prediction in spacenear.us
[18:48] <eroomde> mclane: if you want a live prediction, you have to launch it
[18:48] <Upu> mclane we have to manually set up that
[18:49] <eroomde> otherwise just use the predictor like normal
[18:49] <Upu> don't worry about that you launch we'll sort it out
[18:49] <Upu> it tends to get done on the morning of the launch as we have to load the latest wind data on
[18:50] <mclane> ok, then I will try that for our next launch in September
[18:51] <eroomde> infact i have a q as have lost track
[18:51] <eroomde> does the live predictor calculate the sea level descent rate for use in the prediction, from live descent data?
[18:52] <eroomde> cos if not that's a trivial improvement which i contribute
[18:53] <eroomde> seaLevelDescent = foo(alt_1, alt_2, time_between_them)
[18:54] <Upu> I understand it uses the same code as the other two predictors
[18:54] <Upu> however as with the other two results tend to vary
[18:54] <eroomde> sure but that only gets given a seal level descent rate
[18:55] <eroomde> and i am asking if that sea level descent rate is guesses or is it calculated from actual telem
[18:55] <eroomde> guessed*
[18:56] <Upu> I have no idea
[19:07] <Lunar_Lander> who of you knows TV3 Ireland?
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[19:14] <BackHive> I know of them Lunar'
[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> that "Psychic Readings Live" is so extremely hilarious
[19:14] <BackHive> Yes they are an independent TV broadcaster
[19:15] <BackHive> I don't tend to watch it. Are you picking it up somewhere ?
[19:15] <Lunar_Lander> ah there is a forum about call-in shows in germany and they are also monitoring ESO.TV
[19:15] <Lunar_Lander> and someone found out that the Irish version is also done by these peopel
[19:15] <Lunar_Lander> *people
[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Mqeoq3E9DvI
[19:17] <Broliv> night all
[19:17] <BackHive> Yes, some of that stuff is absolute rubbish. TV3 is know for showing cheap crap, Gerry Springer and Jeremy Kyle tripe
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[19:17] <BackHive> Also cheap as chips 70's tv shows etc.
[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:18] <Lunar_Lander> they also found out that some of the people they show on screen are stock photos
[19:18] <Lunar_Lander> like one lady that is presented as a Psychic is on a website of an undertaker's
[19:19] <BackHive> LOL, doesnt surprise me. What do they do if no one calls in ?? simple... get a member of staff to call !!
[19:19] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[19:20] <Lunar_Lander> also that rate of 2.44 euro per minute
[19:20] <Lunar_Lander> that is absolutely expensive
[19:20] <BackHive> what rate is that lunar ?
[19:20] <Lunar_Lander> ah the phone number for their studio
[19:21] <Lunar_Lander> it's 2.44 euro per minute
[19:21] <BackHive> oh right
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[19:21] <Lunar_Lander> I heard of the problems they had 2 years ago with "PlayTV"
[19:22] <BackHive> I see it there now..... well... some people are just plain daft and thats what the show depends on :)
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> there is another person
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> Joe Duffy or so, he hosts Liveline or how it is called
[19:22] <BackHive> Ah! I remember that show, rigged to hell it was
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> and in the PlayTV times people complained on Liveline about PlayTV
[19:23] <BackHive> yes, live line is a radio show on RTE1, very popular
[19:23] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:24] <BackHive> Joe Duffy is well respected, the show is too. They cover different topics every day, can give interesting insights into what goes on etc.
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[19:24] <BackHive> Where are you Lunar ?
[19:24] <BackHive> Im in Dublun
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> well what I had read is that in the UK and Ireland these shows were in the end forced to display the number of recent callers
[19:24] <eroomde> woo
[19:24] <BackHive> Dublin rather :)
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> germany
[19:24] <BackHive> Ah right.
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[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> here in germany the stations just claimed "it's technically too demanding" and the proposal was dropped
[19:25] <BackHive> Im not so sure what actually happened in the end but it was a farce.
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> so a fairly often used line was "ah it's so late, nobody's calling"
[19:26] <BackHive> It was discussed at length on a very popular online forum and probably 'outed' from there too.... www,boards.ie
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:26] <BackHive> you can try search for it if your itnerested
[19:26] <eroomde> BackHive: i has in dublin on balloon business last year
[19:26] <eroomde> has? was
[19:26] <BackHive> balloon business in Dublin ???
[19:26] <eroomde> mmm
[19:27] <eroomde> they had the AIAA aerodynamic decelerators conference there
[19:27] <eroomde> at trinity
[19:27] <eroomde> and I'd cowritten a paper with some other members of the group I was in about high altitude parachute testing from balloons
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[19:28] <Lunar_Lander_> sorry loss of connection
[19:28] <BackHive> Oh I see, interesting. Whats the AIAA ?
[19:28] <eroomde> American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronatics
[19:29] <eroomde> it's the big professional body that also does most of the journals and conferences in the field
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[19:29] <Lunar_Lander__> strange
[19:29] <eroomde> this one was a small one that was mostly space industry people
[19:29] <BackHive> I have you.
[19:29] <Lunar_Lander__> yea
[19:30] <eroomde> as much as anything it was an excuse for a temple bar shindig
[19:30] <BackHive> Haha! I have you :)
[19:30] <BackHive> The dearest pint in Ireland but it's always packed !!!
[19:30] <eroomde> yep!
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[19:31] <BackHive> good fun nevertheless :)
[19:31] <Lunar_Lander__> BackHive, and again I would like to show this
[19:31] <Lunar_Lander__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Mqeoq3E9DvI
[19:31] <Lunar_Lander__> xD
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[19:32] <BackHive> funny :) faaaarp !!!
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander__> Ohhh please don't be afraid
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander__> buuuutp
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander__> xD
[19:34] <BackHive> OK guys, gotta go. catch you again soon. thanks for all the advice and help
[19:37] <Lunar_Lander__> you're welcome!
[19:37] <Lunar_Lander__> how do you say goodbye in Irish?
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[20:20] <cuddykid> should celebrate UKHAS and let off a HAB in the middle of the closing ceremony
[20:24] <fsphil> Lunar_Lander__: "cya" :)
[20:25] <Lunar_Lander__> xD
[20:29] <daveake> If they'd put a tree in the middle I could have tried landing one in it
[20:29] <LazyLeopard> ;)
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[20:36] <Laurenceb_> sup
[20:37] Action: Laurenceb_ has been looking at cold gas rocket thermodynamics
[20:38] <Laurenceb_> supercritical fluid doesnt help :(
[20:39] <Laurenceb_> result: cold gas rockoon launch platform fails miserably
[20:42] <SpeedEvil> :-(
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[20:42] <SpeedEvil> cold gas isn't great.
[20:43] <SpeedEvil> if you could approach neutron degeneracy in your tanks, it would be.
[20:43] <SpeedEvil> but...
[20:43] <Laurenceb_> i was thinking of supercritical fluid
[20:43] <Laurenceb_> like supercritical CO2
[20:43] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[20:43] <Laurenceb_> then you can get a lot of mass through a solenoid valve
[20:43] <SpeedEvil> hmm. true
[20:43] <Laurenceb_> but it condenses to vapour during adiabatic expansion
[20:43] <Laurenceb_> and you get really poor ISP
[20:44] <Laurenceb_> like 10 seconds
[20:44] <SpeedEvil> ow
[20:44] <DrLuke> Lunar_lander__: ping
[20:44] <Laurenceb_> as opposed for approaching 100S for gas
[20:44] <Laurenceb_> which is good enough for a launch platform
[20:44] <Laurenceb_> - launch platform drops off balloon and spins up the rocket
[20:45] <Laurenceb_> and aims it
[20:45] <Laurenceb_> was my thought
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[20:45] <Lunar_Lander__> swiss TV has about the same crap as german TV
[20:45] <SpeedEvil> I guess you need largish valves for the mass flow?
[20:45] <Laurenceb_> yeah
[20:46] <Laurenceb_> tens of grams per second
[20:46] <SpeedEvil> spin up is what - 5s?
[20:46] <Laurenceb_> yes, at must
[20:46] <Laurenceb_> *most
[20:46] <Laurenceb_> or you lick up too much vertical speed and air drag screws thing up
[20:46] <Laurenceb_> *pick
[20:47] <Laurenceb_> you could use nitrous oxide and catalyst packs
[20:47] <Laurenceb_> its fairly easy to get hold of
[20:48] <SpeedEvil> or H2O2, but harder to get
[20:48] <SpeedEvil> alas, now the nice supplier went away.
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[20:50] <Laurenceb_> nitrous is self pressurising
[20:50] <SpeedEvil> Who was willing to ship 100 percent on pallet for a few hundred pounds.
[20:50] <Laurenceb_> nice
[20:50] <SpeedEvil> yeah, that's nice
[20:51] <Laurenceb_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrous_oxide_fuel_blend
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander__> the thing is
[20:51] <Laurenceb_> is interesting
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander__> can we make a mass spectrometer?
[20:52] <Laurenceb_> make..?
[20:52] <Laurenceb_> what for analysing?
[20:53] <Lunar_Lander__> for onboard balloon use
[20:53] <Laurenceb_> and air?
[20:53] <Laurenceb_> ...why?
[20:53] <fsphil> sample return :p
[20:54] <SpeedEvil> time of flight mass spectrometer doesn't seem too bad
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[20:54] <SpeedEvil> does need very good vacuum though
[20:54] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
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[20:58] <Laurenceb_> i still think spin stabilised with a motor is the best bet for rockoon launch
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[21:53] <DrLuke> good night everyone
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[21:58] <Laurenceb_> wtf
[21:58] <Laurenceb_> i seem to be stuck in 1997
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[22:00] <Laurenceb_> holy nose peg
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[22:19] <domlin> evening all
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[22:21] <Lunar_Lander_> hello chrisstubbs domlin
[22:22] <domlin> hello Lunar_Lander_ :) how are you?
[22:22] <chrisstubbs> Hey
[22:22] <Lunar_Lander_> good thanks and you?
[22:22] <domlin> likewise
[22:23] <chrisstubbs> Not been doing much hab-related stuff for the last couple of days :(
[22:24] <chrisstubbs> properly messed up a microwave with domlin today
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[22:49] <Laurenceb_> Jacques Rogge is Blofeld
[22:49] <Laurenceb_> I knew it
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[23:13] <Laurenceb_> SpeedEvil: those batteries you linked are interesting
[23:13] <Laurenceb_> they have crazy energy density it seems
[23:16] <SpeedEvil> Pretty neat, yeah
[23:16] <SpeedEvil> Also, bendy!
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[23:17] <SpeedEvil> Also, they have 1/3AAA cells, which I've been looking for for a while
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[23:21] <Laurenceb_> in fact wtf
[23:21] <Laurenceb_> i cant believe the figures
[23:21] <Laurenceb_> 1.5MJ/Kg
[23:21] <Laurenceb_> but high internal resistance
[23:21] <Laurenceb_> im not sure I 100% trust the figures
[23:21] <SpeedEvil> The numbers I got seemed good - 150Wh/kg for the cells I was looking at.
[23:22] <Laurenceb_> 390 for the larger ones
[23:22] <SpeedEvil> that's not out of the realm of possibility though
[23:22] <SpeedEvil> ah
[23:22] <Laurenceb_> yeah
[23:22] <SpeedEvil> For Li-ion?
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[23:22] <SpeedEvil> that is a leeetle bit ambitious.
[23:22] <Laurenceb_> its a different chemistry
[23:22] <SpeedEvil> which ones?
[23:23] <Laurenceb_> lithium/ manganese dioxide
[23:23] <Laurenceb_> its 3V
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[23:23] <SpeedEvil> oh - tyhe primaries
[23:23] <Laurenceb_> the 3Ah ones
[23:23] <SpeedEvil> niht
[23:23] <Laurenceb_> yes
[23:23] <Laurenceb_> bbl
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