highaltitude.log.20120811

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[07:10] <Upu> morning
[07:14] <fsphil> morn
[07:14] <Upu> hows Scotland ?
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[07:14] <Upu> or are you still in Scotland ?
[07:15] <fsphil> still there yep
[07:15] <fsphil> heading out in about an hour
[07:15] <Upu> ok
[07:16] <fsphil> 3 hour drive, not too bad
[07:17] <Upu> hopefully the locals will be aminable
[07:17] <Upu> got your maps ?
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[07:21] <Upu> hey nosebleedkt sorry missed you yesterday
[07:21] <fsphil> got all the coordinates loaded up
[07:21] <Upu> great results
[07:21] <nosebleedkt> hey
[07:21] <nosebleedkt> Upu, fsphil did you see the awesomeness?
[07:21] <Upu> I did indeed
[07:21] <fsphil> remind me
[07:22] <nosebleedkt> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=502949376385778&set=a.502956669718382.131049.259791880701530&type=3&theater
[07:22] <Upu> you need to post them in the highest resolution you can
[07:23] <nosebleedkt> http://www.flickr.com/photos/84522964@N06/7753799846/in/photostream/lightbox/
[07:23] <nosebleedkt> :)
[07:23] <Upu> So when people come along and say is a Canon 480 good enough you can permit yourself a small 'lol' and link your images
[07:23] <fsphil> http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7255/7753799846_5ece9f197a_k.jpg
[07:23] <fsphil> nice
[07:24] <Upu> yeah not bad at all for a £30 point and click
[07:24] <Upu> not what you've got its what you do with it was never so apt
[07:25] <fsphil> I've optimistically packed an SD card reader :)
[07:25] <Upu> very optimistic :)
[07:26] <Upu> stranger things have happened though
[07:26] <fsphil> steve's predictions are 5 miles up the road from the live prediction
[07:26] <fsphil> I figure a stop at either end, and in the middle
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[07:26] <fsphil> they're all south of the road
[07:26] <fsphil> and that's one giant hill
[07:26] <fsphil> so it should be visible if it's there at all
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[07:27] <Upu> I doubt its visible at all now, how long has it been there ?
[07:27] <Upu> if its in undergrowth you have no chance
[07:27] <fsphil> about 18 months
[07:27] <fsphil> it really depends what it landed on
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[07:30] <cuddykid> morning
[07:30] <cuddykid> just realised WillDuckworth has my balloon filler!
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[07:41] <number10> nice photo nosebleedkt - well done
[07:41] <nosebleedkt> thanks
[07:41] <nosebleedkt> my irc disconnects all the time
[07:41] <nosebleedkt> cant track the problem
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[07:58] <eroomde> #oxford-hack-space
[07:59] <Upu> morning Ed
[07:59] <jonsowman> morning
[07:59] <eroomde> s/^/\/join
[08:00] <eroomde> if only that workd in irssi
[08:00] <eroomde> yah morning
[08:00] <jonsowman> :)
[08:00] <LazyLeopard> ;)
[08:02] #highaltitude: mode change '+o jonsowman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.
[08:03] Topic changed on #highaltitude by jonsowman!jonsowman@kryten.hexoc.com: Welcome to #highaltitude - discuss anything to do with high altitude projects (balloons, gliders, etc) www.ukhas.org.uk - Saturday 11/08/12: MONDO and XABEN Launches ~1000GMT from Elsworth, UK & HABE Launch ~1200GMT
[08:03] <jonsowman> anyone know where HABE is being launched from?
[08:03] <eroomde> josh's overpoweringly creative soul
[08:03] <eroomde> via the chalice of burning entrepenurial spirit
[08:04] <eroomde> and finally crossing the boundary layer of cock
[08:04] <jonsowman> i don't think that will fit in the channel topic
[08:04] <jonsowman> i'll leave it at is it
[08:04] <jonsowman> *it is
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[08:05] <eroomde> is there any more media from yesterday on the tubes?
[08:06] <jonsowman> not as yet, i think adam is planning on doing some editing
[08:06] <eroomde> i am still upset I left my pc off
[08:06] <jonsowman> what did you need it for
[08:06] <jonsowman> ?
[08:08] <jcoxon> i think steve is launching rom lavenham
[08:08] <jcoxon> from*
[08:08] <eroomde> jonsowman: left a bunch of unpushed code on it
[08:08] <eroomde> that I wrote yesterday
[08:08] <jonsowman> ah
[08:08] <jonsowman> i see
[08:08] <eroomde> and wanted to finish it off and set a big (several hrs) job running on it
[08:08] <eroomde> ready for monday morning
[08:08] <jonsowman> jcoxon: ah ok, i copied that Elsworth from Spacenear
[08:09] <eroomde> where i will get an error message saying it stopped 20% of the way through
[08:09] <jcoxon> i'm not there but the barn is open
[08:09] <eroomde> then i will investigate python smtp options so it can email me status updates
[08:09] <jcoxon> and there is a notam
[08:09] <eroomde> it's like the 7 stages of simulation programmers
[08:10] <eroomde> http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/08/copenhagen-suborbitals-launch-escape-test/
[08:10] <Darkside> hmm time to figure out how QPSKs convolutional coding works
[08:10] <eroomde> i have lots of reservations about these guys engineering, lots
[08:10] <eroomde> but you have to admire them
[08:11] <eroomde> Darkside: does not the convolution coding occur before any consideration of modulation?
[08:11] <Darkside> yeah
[08:11] <Darkside> its a 5-bit wide sliding window
[08:11] <Darkside> http://www.arrl.org/psk31-spec
[08:12] <Darkside> theres the spec
[08:12] <eroomde> with 3 redundancy bits?
[08:12] <Darkside> you know, i really don't know
[08:12] <Darkside> i'm trying to understand it now
[08:13] <Darkside> also going to have a look at the fldigi source
[08:13] <eroomde> interesting
[08:13] <Darkside> effectively, i need to get from bitstream to symbols
[08:13] <griffonbot> Received email: Jon Sowman "Re: [UKHAS] CUSF Launch - Friday 10/08/12"
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[08:13] <Darkside> symbols to signal is the 'easy' part
[08:13] <eroomde> so they do put constraints on the jumping pattern in the constellation
[08:13] <Darkside> yeah i'm not sure about that
[08:13] <Darkside> and thats one of the things i'm wondering about
[08:13] <eroomde> kind of analogous to line coding techniques where you put constraints on how often you'll see a zero, or enforcing dc balancing or something
[08:14] <Darkside> i'm wondering if QPSK will be cleaner on my no-shaping DDS transmitter
[08:14] <Darkside> smaller discontinuities?
[08:14] <eroomde> i would have thought bigger
[08:15] <eroomde> without shaping
[08:15] <eroomde> i mean, shaping is a technique for band limiging the signal so it plays nicely with neighbours, as far as I understand it
[08:15] <Darkside> yes
[08:15] <eroomde> but if it's just a hab in the air on its own, do you need to bother?
[08:15] <Darkside> in my case the discontinuities of reversing phase causes huge sidebands
[08:15] <Darkside> this isn't for a hab
[08:15] <Darkside> this is for a HF beacon
[08:16] <eroomde> ah righty
[08:16] <Darkside> i need to be careful
[08:16] <eroomde> yep fair enough
[08:18] <Darkside> i'm trying to convince my supervisor to let me do the transmitter with a SDR TX
[08:18] <Darkside> that way i can make use of fldigi
[08:19] <Darkside> of course i'd have to take the output from fldigi, and produce quadrature signals, but thats not so hard
[08:19] <eroomde> wouldn't be too traumatic to do the whole thing as a sim first
[08:19] <eroomde> both tx and rx
[08:20] <eroomde> that'd give you a nice playground to play with pulse shaping
[08:20] <Darkside> well the problem is i can't do pulse shaping with the DDS hardware
[08:20] <Darkside> well.. not strictly true. i could do it.
[08:20] <Darkside> but it'd be a pain
[08:21] <eroomde> a bandpass filter. that'd certainly spare it :)
[08:21] <eroomde> ashape*
[08:21] <eroomde> shape*
[08:21] <eroomde> canni type
[08:21] <Darkside> a 31hz wide bandpass filter for 14MHz eh?
[08:21] <Darkside> you crazy?
[08:21] <Darkside> :P
[08:22] <Darkside> there is a reason you do this shit in software
[08:22] <eroomde> ney
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[08:22] <eroomde> baseband bits
[08:22] <eroomde> bpf
[08:23] <eroomde> adc<->dds
[08:23] <Darkside> you mean shape the phase shifts?
[08:23] <eroomde> adc->dds
[08:23] <eroomde> yes
[08:23] <Darkside> i tried shaping the phase shifts. there's a pipeline delay inside the DDS that doesn't let you update them fast enough
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[08:24] <Darkside> there are some other tricks i'm going to try to clean up the output though
[08:24] <Darkside> i have 4 phase register
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[08:24] <Darkside> so instead of going 0->180, i can go 0->60->120->180
[08:25] <eroomde> we used to shape fsk like that on the old habs
[08:25] <eroomde> a resistor dac
[08:25] <Darkside> http://imgur.com/8TK3K
[08:25] <Darkside> thats what i have right now
[08:26] <Darkside> its horrid
[08:26] <jonsowman> this was Joey's FSK at 300 baud when i first made it
[08:26] <jonsowman> http://hexoc.com/u/sb300.png
[08:26] <jonsowman> sidebandey
[08:26] <eroomde> and incremented the memery of the value of a port of the microcontroller over the specific transition period such that with carefully chosen r values you got a raised cosine transition
[08:27] <eroomde> very clean though!
[08:27] <Darkside> mm
[08:27] <Darkside> i can't do that with this DDS
[08:27] <Darkside> which is the problem
[08:27] <Darkside> i just can't update the registers fast enough to do it.
[08:27] <Darkside> sucks, and is why i want to do it in software instead
[08:27] <jonsowman> then i made it gaussian transition and it's much cleaner: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuspaceflight/7018755365/in/set-72157621846323425
[08:28] <eroomde> tCOnU?
[08:28] <Darkside> jonsowman: eh?
[08:28] <Darkside> whats that pic of?
[08:28] <jonsowman> DAC output to the FSK modulator
[08:28] <Darkside> ohhhhh
[08:28] <Darkside> ok
[08:28] <Darkside> isn't that effectively GMSK?
[08:28] <jonsowman> indeed it is
[08:29] <Darkside> well
[08:29] <Darkside> if the shift was the same as the baud rate
[08:29] <Darkside> or something like that
[08:29] <jonsowman> yeah
[08:29] <jonsowman> whatever MSK is
[08:29] <jonsowman> i think that's right, shift = baud
[08:29] <jonsowman> it's GFSK in any case
[08:29] <eroomde> do you not get more ISI with GMSK?
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[08:30] <eroomde> cos it's sort of just keeping memory of the previous state into the time period of the current state
[08:30] <jonsowman> yeah i guess it does increase it a bit, must do
[08:30] <Adam_> anyone know if the video from yesterdays launch has been uploaded?
[08:30] <eroomde> my intuition with this stuff is a bit flakey so sorry if that's a silly question
[08:30] <jonsowman> Adam_: sorry not yet, it's going to take a while, there's about 40GB of it!
[08:30] <eroomde> apparently not yet Adam_
[08:31] <eroomde> jonsowman promises soon :D
[08:31] <jonsowman> yes we will get this done soon
[08:31] <jonsowman> any good video editing software for linux?
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[08:32] <eroomde> fsphil might know
[08:32] <jonsowman> ok, will poke him when he's around
[08:32] <Adam_> wow 40GB!
[08:33] <jonsowman> anyway GFSK or whatever took it from this http://hexoc.com/u/sd.png to this http://hexoc.com/u/joey-digi.png
[08:33] <Adam_> looking forward to it anyway :)
[08:33] <Adam_> also, can't believe how many receivers are ready for today's launches!
[08:33] <Adam_> the most i've ever seen on the map!
[08:34] <jonsowman> yeah, weekend ones tend to be more popular
[08:34] <jonsowman> unsurprisingly
[08:34] <Darkside> I chose a time spread of 5 bits. The table that
[08:34] <Darkside> determines the phase shift for each pattern of 5 successive bits, is given in the appendix. The
[08:34] <Darkside> logic behind this table will not be covered here.
[08:34] <Darkside> grr
[08:35] <Darkside> this is from the PSK31 inventors spec
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[08:37] <Darkside> ok going from the way QPSK does its convolutional coding, it's not going to be any cleaner than BPSK
[08:37] <eroomde> there's a really good treatment of covolutional codes, and error correcting codes in general, in Mackay'sTextbook
[08:37] <Darkside> it still has phase reversals
[08:37] <eroomde> which is free online
[08:37] <eroomde> iuw
[08:37] <cuddykid> any news from mondo or Xaben?
[08:37] <Darkside> i might try the BPSK dodgy shaping idea though
[08:37] <Upu> not yet
[08:37] <Upu> you still launching ?
[08:37] <eroomde> Darkside: ^
[08:37] <cuddykid> Upu: yeah - hopefully ~11:30
[08:37] <Upu> you should be ok Eurus was on 650 I think
[08:38] <eroomde> best textbook i have ever paid money for incidently
[08:38] <cuddykid> spoke to Steve yesterday and Eurus isn't flying
[08:38] <cuddykid> so all clear :D
[08:38] <eroomde> http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/itila/Potter.html
[08:39] <cuddykid> lol eroomde
[08:39] <Darkside> loool
[08:39] <eroomde> it's written in a similarly amusing style
[08:42] <eroomde> 'familiarise yourself with these 3 distributions before you meet them in battle conditions'
[08:42] <eroomde> etc
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[08:43] <LazyLeopard> Mondo-3 on the tracker. Presmably it'll be a while before it's launched, though.
[08:44] <Upu> don't bet on it
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[08:45] <LazyLeopard> erf. I'd better boot the laptop and turn the rig on, then... ;)
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[08:46] <Adam_> Mondos taken off?
[08:46] <Upu> yep
[08:46] <Adam_> :D
[08:46] <Adam_> wow
[08:46] <Adam_> first time i've seen one live
[08:46] <Upu> Mick doens't mess about :)
[08:47] <Adam_> interested to see how accurate the predictor will be
[08:47] <Adam_> haha
[08:47] <junderwood> coming this way
[08:47] Nick change: junderwood -> junderwood_M0JCU
[08:47] <cuddykid> nice prediction!
[08:48] <cuddykid> off to retrieve my balloon filler, bbl
[08:48] <junderwood_M0JCU> Nice signal. Picked it up at 534 m about 100 miles away!
[08:49] <Upu> nxt2
[08:49] <Upu> wha dial ?
[08:49] <junderwood_M0JCU> Dial is 434072.6 btw
[08:50] <Upu> ta
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[08:51] <Upu> ok yeah I see it
[08:51] <Adam_> the predictor seems accurate..
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[08:52] <Adam_> how come it says i'm receiving two positions at a time?
[08:52] <MrScienceMan> anyone flown a geiger counter?
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[08:53] <Adam_> is it because it caches them until it gets signal with a receiver again?
[08:53] <eroomde> it's going to land on the head of the ael tracking station
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[08:54] <Adam_> guys.. the predictor is now showing it going right over stansted.. :/
[08:54] <eroomde> closeness is euclidean
[08:55] <Upu> over is fine
[08:55] <Upu> landing on is bad
[08:55] <Adam_> :)
[08:56] <Adam_> it seems to be going a bit further north than expected :)
[08:56] <eroomde> near the ground during ascent stuff swings to the right of the wind path
[08:56] <eroomde> and do the left of the wind path during descent
[08:56] <LazyLeopard> The telemetry lines are breaking an odd way...
[08:57] <junderwood_M0JCU> waiting to collect it. :)
[08:57] <Upu> ok the bearing indicator in dl-fldigi isn't correct
[08:58] <LazyLeopard> The transmissions pause after callsign and sequence number. Seems to throw dl-fldigi somewhat
[08:58] <Upu> seems ok from here
[08:58] <Upu> very strong signal
[08:59] <Upu> he's gone back to using NTX2s
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[09:00] <LazyLeopard> Excellent signal, and dl-fldigi's reporting good range and bearing, but I don't seem to be getting fixes recognised by the tracker...
[09:02] <Upu> have you picked MONDO-3 ?
[09:03] <Adam_> seems to be an extra receiver now tracking it
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[09:03] <upix> good day
[09:03] <Adam_> welcome
[09:03] <Adam_> :)
[09:04] <Upu> morning
[09:04] <Upu> 5 people receiving now
[09:04] <upix> oh I see mondo is up
[09:04] <upix> who's launching mondo?
[09:05] <upix> well who did
[09:05] <Upu> chap called Mick he doesn't come on IRC much
[09:06] Nick change: LazyLeopard -> LazyL_M0LEP
[09:06] <upix> he's from cambridge but not with cusf?
[09:07] <Upu> no he launched from Elsworth a little further north
[09:08] Action: LazyL_M0LEP sighs. File under "weird". It says it's uploading OK. and giving green in the reported string, but it only shows callsign and sequence number there.
[09:08] <junderwood_M0JCU> which version of dl-fldigi?
[09:08] <LazyL_M0LEP> ....which is exactly the point at which the telemetry takes a breath...
[09:09] <LazyL_M0LEP> 3.21.43 on linux
[09:09] <junderwood_M0JCU> I found 3.21.38 is really good on Windoze except it won't upload :(
[09:10] <Upu> in other news my homw brew colinear doesn't work at all :)
[09:10] <junderwood_M0JCU> wobbling a bit
[09:12] <LazyL_M0LEP> Which git repository contains the current definitive version?
[09:13] <Upu> Jcoxon's
[09:14] <upix> Upu: why doesn't it work?
[09:14] <Upu> no idea probably because its not done right
[09:15] <Upu> I'll have a look at it but it can't see the payload at all when the Watson can
[09:16] <upix> what is the pattern of collinear antenna?
[09:16] <Upu> its an omni directional
[09:16] <upix> what's the difference from dipole?
[09:17] <upix> and why would you mount it on rotor?
[09:17] <Upu> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collinear_antenna_array
[09:17] <Upu> just happens to be a high point
[09:17] <Upu> ignore that link
[09:18] <Upu> its a different design to a dipole
[09:19] <Upu> well lets see if Mondo can make it through the 27km "death" zone
[09:19] <Upu> Xaben on the map
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[09:21] <junderwood_M0JCU> The latest version I can see in jcoxon's github is 3.20.xx. Am I missing something?
[09:21] <Upu> no
[09:21] <Upu> that is the latest "stable"
[09:21] <Upu> I understand we are due for a big release shortly
[09:22] <junderwood_M0JCU> Ah. Where do I find unstable, dangerous versions :)
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[09:22] <Adam_> even at 80m, Xaben is being picked up by a receiver miles away..
[09:22] <Adam_> pretty good system reall
[09:22] <Upu> its not Adam
[09:22] <Adam_> really
[09:22] <Adam_> oh
[09:22] <Upu> Steve is receiving in his car
[09:23] <Upu> but he's left his position in dl-fldigi set to his home
[09:23] <cuddykid> :D
[09:23] <Upu> so kind of faked :)
[09:23] <Adam_> ah yep, makes sense :)
[09:23] <cuddykid> can't see Subo receiving today..
[09:23] <Adam_> Why no launches up North? :)
[09:23] <Upu> too cold
[09:23] <Adam_> All seem to be down South
[09:25] <Adam_> hmm
[09:26] <craag> ~Cambridge is obviously the place to be!
[09:26] <cuddykid> do people usually call local ATC when launching? I usually do that but last time a few pilots said I should notify London something ATC (apparently the one for the whole of UK)?
[09:26] <Upu> it will be on your NOTAM
[09:26] <cuddykid> Adam_: launching from north of worcester soon
[09:26] <cuddykid> Upu: nothing on there with regards to calling
[09:27] <Upu> there you go then
[09:27] <Adam_> Yes I did wonder that, what do the CAA send you? Is it just a letter of confirmation?
[09:27] <cuddykid> Adam_: just an "exemption" letter
[09:27] <Adam_> I'm 5 miles from an RAF airbase, so did wonder if they might need to be called..
[09:27] <Adam_> ah ok
[09:27] <cuddykid> then they issue NOTAM to pilots
[09:28] <Adam_> well, any pilot in the UK can see the NOTAM's
[09:28] <cuddykid> yeah
[09:28] <Adam_> there are many websites publishing maps of them
[09:28] <Upu> www.notaminfo.com
[09:28] <Adam_> yep
[09:28] <Adam_> If anyone will be launching or having a landing near Lincolnshire sometime, give me a shout :) I'll be happy to help.
[09:29] <cuddykid> no calls so far today - odd as I usually get quite a few especially when it's a nice day and weekend
[09:31] Action: LazyL_M0LEP sets about rebuilding dl-fldigi from jcoxon's tree rather than DanielRichman's ...
[09:37] <cuddykid> heading off to launch site - be back on later
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[09:38] <LazyL_M0LEP> Hmmm... Well that one's behaving exactly the same...
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[09:40] <RocketBoy> about 10 mins from launch
[09:44] <Upu> cheers RocketBoy let us have the ground frequency if you can
[09:45] <RocketBoy> 434.301
[09:45] <Upu> ta
[09:45] <RocketBoy> just waiting for the local atc to get off the phone
[09:46] <LazyL_M0LEP> I wonder what my system's uploading. It says it's successfully uploaded something, but the tracker hasn't mentioned my callsign yet...
[09:46] <Upu> you are online ?
[09:46] <Adam_> rocket, thought once you got the letter that was it?
[09:47] <ael> same here
[09:47] <ael> uploaded successfully, it thinks it's online too
[09:47] <ael> but not appearing on the map
[09:47] <Upu> ok
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[09:47] <Upu> what callsign are you using ael ?
[09:48] <ael> ael
[09:48] <Upu> duh :)
[09:48] <ael> ah it has appeared
[09:48] <ael> maybe just it takes a while
[09:49] <LazyL_M0LEP> Yes, I'm online.
[09:50] <upix> does cuddykid work with air traffic regulation?
[09:50] <ael> i will attempt to track xaben
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[09:51] <Upu> upix you have to have a NOTAM to launch and yes he has one
[09:51] <ael> mondo appears to be well covered
[09:52] <Upu> Mondo is having a rough ride it seems
[09:52] <upix> [12:29] <cuddykid> no calls so far today - odd as I usually get quite a few especially when it's a nice day and weekend
[09:52] <junderwood_M0JCU> ... and heading for the M1. That trumps yesterday's festivities
[09:52] <LazyL_M0LEP> Definitely bumpy-sounding signal...
[09:53] <navrac> does sound like it from here - strong signal though - but lots of fasing and sadly local qrm
[09:53] <upix> I though he ment that he gets calls for notam
[09:54] <Adam_> predictor keeps changing landing site, so hopefully it'll miss the M1..
[09:55] <Upu> I'd ignore the predictor for the moment
[09:55] <Upu> Mondo fading ?
[09:56] <junderwood_M0JCU> yes
[09:56] <junderwood_M0JCU> really struggling here
[09:56] <Upu> ditto
[09:56] <Adam_> only one receiver...
[09:56] <junderwood_M0JCU> shift is down too
[09:56] <upix> Upu: how do you catch a signal from so far?
[09:57] <junderwood_M0JCU> The penines :)
[09:57] <navrac> aggh - local qrm hitting a bit of each packet - but its gone very weak here all of a sudden
[09:57] <Upu> upix : https://www.dropbox.com/s/d00o64lm9n7fj0v/2012-08-10%2007.21.16.jpg
[09:57] <Upu> + hill
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[09:58] <navrac> thats a subtle aerial - married?
[09:58] <Upu> lol yes actually
[09:58] <Adam_> woah, big aerial!
[09:58] <Upu> she didn't think it looked that bad
[09:58] <upix> what distance is that (from you to baloon)
[09:58] <Upu> not that much about 200km
[09:59] <upix> how high are you?
[09:59] <Adam_> another receiver added
[09:59] <upix> well that sounded strange
[10:00] <RocketBoy> finally
[10:00] <Adam_> Looks like Xaben launched :)
[10:00] <navrac> do you want to swap wives upu - mines a great cook, easy to get on with and very loyal - but doesnt like aerials on the house...
[10:01] <Upu> lol
[10:01] <Upu> big boobs ?
[10:01] <Upu> think its settling down
[10:02] <Upu> in fairness when I put it up
[10:02] <Upu> I thought thats coming down veeeery soon
[10:03] <navrac> yep good looking at a great rack. But a colinear is as much as she'll put up with
[10:03] <navrac> at/and
[10:03] <Upu> haha
[10:03] <Upu> Xaben up
[10:04] <Adam_> :)
[10:04] <RocketBoy> yep she is away
[10:04] <RocketBoy> a fine sight
[10:04] <Upu> not for the first time Xaben vs Mondo :)
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[10:04] <Adam_> navrac, can't be that bad, it's picking up Mondo
[10:04] <Adam_> :)
[10:04] <Upu> colinear is all you need
[10:04] <Upu> I'm just an idiot
[10:04] <navrac> yes but too much local qrm - so I need a directional aerialo
[10:05] <Upu> with an understanding wife
[10:05] <ael> xaben dial freq please?
[10:05] <Upu> 434.301
[10:05] <ael> nothing yet
[10:06] <navrac> xaben very very strong here
[10:06] <ael> confirmation: xaben detected audibly
[10:06] <navrac> will switch back to mondo in a minute
[10:06] <ael> not decode strength yet
[10:07] <navrac> is that only 10mW?
[10:07] <ael> decoding
[10:07] <junderwood_M0JCU> Switching to Xaben. Mondo is sitting right on top of some QRM
[10:08] <ael> first good packet
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[10:08] <navrac> I should have switched to xaben earlier - i didnt tune over till it was at 1km
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[10:09] <navrac> I wanted to see how low i could get it - but by the time I'd tuned it was already at s9+12
[10:11] <navrac> mondo very weak now - struggling with qrm
[10:12] <Upu> having to manually correct and upload most of Mondo
[10:13] Nick change: Upu -> Upu_M0UPU
[10:13] <Upu_M0UPU> I wonder if Mondo's antenna has got damaged
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[10:16] <Upu_M0UPU> Mondo seems to have settled
[10:17] <Upu_M0UPU> Xaben is strong as well
[10:18] <Upu_M0UPU> Xaben is coming in via Darkside HAB amp btw
[10:19] <eroomde> available at all good hab sotres
[10:19] <Upu_M0UPU> indeed :)
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[10:20] <Upu_M0UPU> not yet got some back orders to fill
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[10:23] <LazyL_M0LEP> XABEN tracking is working as expected. dl-fldigi 3.21.43 has issues, at least as I've built it on linux, with the telemetry MONDO has been transmitting.
[10:24] <LazyL_M0LEP> If the tracker has logged any lines I received then they may give a hint as to what the issues are.
[10:25] <Randomskk> hi
[10:25] <Randomskk> are there currently issues with the tracker?
[10:25] <Randomskk> looking at the log ( http://habitat.habhub.org/logtail/ ) it seems to be parsing XABEN and MONDO-3 data fine
[10:25] <LazyL_M0LEP> Has it parsed any M0LEP lines for MONDO successfully?
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[10:27] <Randomskk> doesn't look like it
[10:27] <Randomskk> well, I mean
[10:27] <Randomskk> it only parses for the first uploader, the others just get their names added on -- but M0LEP doesn't seem to be on any of the MONDO telemetry
[10:28] <navrac> mondo burst?
[10:28] <LazyL_M0LEP> ...yet dl-fldigi was claiming to have successfully uploaded lines.
[10:28] <navrac> nope
[10:28] <Randomskk> LazyL_M0LEP: what version are you running?
[10:29] <Upu_M0UPU> no Mondo about to enter the 27km death zone
[10:29] <LazyL_M0LEP> A linux build of 3.21.43 from the git repository.
[10:29] <LazyL_M0LEP> That is, I pulled it from git and built it....
[10:29] <Randomskk> do you have the commit ID for the build you made?
[10:30] <Randomskk> (git log -1 or something will tell you)
[10:30] <eroomde> 27km death zone. that used to be a respectible altitude!
[10:30] <eroomde> now it's a half way mark
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[10:30] <navrac> wwell its just made 27k
[10:30] <Upu_M0UPU> is the failure zone for Hwoyee's
[10:31] <ael> xaben a bit drifty
[10:32] Nick change: Laurenceb__ -> Laurenceb_
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[10:32] <M0LEP> commit 79f85506b453794efcc2d7de6efb9b6abbd74bc2
[10:32] <M0LEP> Merge: 9d553c3 70d1b90
[10:32] <M0LEP> Author: James Coxon <jacoxon@googlemail.com>
[10:32] <M0LEP> Date: Mon Jul 23 09:53:44 2012 +0100
[10:33] <Upu_M0UPU> ok
[10:33] <Randomskk> oh okay, should be plenty up to date then, hang on
[10:33] <Upu_M0UPU> touch wood Mondo should be impressive
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[10:34] <upix> what is with 27km death zone?
[10:34] <Upu_M0UPU> we've had a number of balloon failures at 27km
[10:34] <upix> any particular reason?
[10:35] <Upu_M0UPU> no idea ask Hwoyee
[10:35] <Randomskk> LazyL_M0LEP: what IP are you uploading from?
[10:35] <LazyL_M0LEP> 62.49.17.218
[10:35] <LazyL_M0LEP> Well, I'm now on XABEN.
[10:36] <LazyL_M0LEP> Last MONDO-3 upload would have been a while back.
[10:37] <LazyL_M0LEP> ...around 09:50 utc
[10:37] <Randomskk> not 10:30?
[10:37] <Randomskk> oh that is XABEN in fact
[10:38] <ael> xaben's freq mARCHES EVER NORTH
[10:38] <ael> whoopsy
[10:38] <LazyL_M0LEP> I switched to XABEN at 10:15 UTC
[10:39] <Randomskk> you seem to be showing up for XABEN okay
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[10:41] <Adam_> guys, how can I get my receiver to be on the website map?
[10:41] <Adam_> i've got dl-fldigi running
[10:41] <Darkside> set your station info correctly
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[10:41] <Darkside> Configure -> Operator
[10:41] <LazyL_M0LEP> Yeah. With MONDO the telemetry pauses after the sequence number and before the position, and that seems to confuse dl-fldigi a bit.
[10:41] <Darkside> set that up correctly, and you'll show up eventually
[10:42] <Randomskk> LazyL_M0LEP: oooh, that.
[10:42] <Randomskk> yea that's actually a (recently) known bug with the latest dl-fldigi beta.
[10:42] <LazyL_M0LEP> It was reporting a green line, but only showing the part of the string before the pause.
[10:42] <Randomskk> yea
[10:43] <LazyL_M0LEP> Ok. Known bug. Doesn't affect XABEN tracking. I'll track XABEN. ;)
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[10:43] <Randomskk> I think it's fixed or will be fixed in the latest development one but not entirely sure
[10:43] <ael> xaben drifting at about 7hz/sec
[10:43] <Randomskk> DanielRichman was investigating it recently
[10:45] <ael> does anyone know what kind of radio is on xaben?
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[10:46] <Adam__> test
[10:46] <ael> maybe it's been inspired by usain bolt
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[10:48] <RocketBoy> its an rfm22b
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[10:49] <ael> it's drifted about 5kHz for me so far
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[10:53] <ael> xaben gone v weak
[10:53] <ael> hmm settled again
[10:53] <ael> and still rising
[10:53] <ael> that's a releif
[10:54] <ael> still weak though, not passing many of the last few checksums
[10:54] <ael> anyone else noticed anything?
[10:55] <Upu_M0UPU> seems ok from here
[10:56] <ael> still not getting clean decodes
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[10:57] <ael> hmm, strengthened again
[10:57] <ael> maybe i just went through a null
[10:58] <Upu_M0UPU> could be what antenna do you have ?
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[10:58] <fsphil> jonsowman: openshot is nice for doing up simple videos
[10:59] <ael> Upu_M0UPU: watson colinear
[10:59] <ael> w50
[10:59] <Adam__> can someone help me with a dl-fldigi problem please?
[11:00] <Adam__> i can't get both of the red lines to go over the yellow waterfall feed
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[11:00] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah it does have null zones in it
[11:00] <Randomskk> the distance between the lines is your current shift setting, which should be set based on the payload you've selected
[11:00] <ael> Adam__: is the payload set correctly?
[11:00] <Upu_M0UPU> screenshot pls Adam
[11:00] <Randomskk> however you can instead just right click RTTY at the bottom left, click custom, then for Shift select custom and change the shift using the box below.
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[11:00] <Randomskk> probably.
[11:01] <Adam__> following the tutorial on the site
[11:01] <Adam__> but as i cant get both lines to go over, i'm getting a few errors in my test string
[11:02] <fsphil> how are the launches going?
[11:02] <Upu_M0UPU> Mondo is at 38km
[11:02] <Upu_M0UPU> Xaben catching up at 16m
[11:02] <Upu_M0UPU> k
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[11:02] <Upu_M0UPU> Mondo signal is choppy
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[11:02] <Upu_M0UPU> I suspect antenna got damaged on the way up
[11:03] <upix> http://s11.postimage.org/9itfdfik3/ant.png from which point should I measure antenna length?
[11:03] <upix> just to be sure
[11:03] <Upu_M0UPU> 164mm from the edge of the BNC connector
[11:03] <Upu_M0UPU> sec
[11:04] <upix> so that is 3 or 4
[11:04] <Upu_M0UPU> neither
[11:04] <upix> huh
[11:05] <ael> xaben wobble
[11:05] <AdamUK_> mondo is high..
[11:05] <ael> but still ascending thankfully.
[11:05] <Upu_M0UPU> upix http://imgur.com/gfgVV
[11:06] <AdamUK_> heres the problem i'm having: http://imageshack.us/f/692/problemdf.png/
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[11:06] <AdamUK_> can't get the red lines to go correctly over
[11:06] <AdamUK_> so the decoding is messing up.
[11:06] <Upu_M0UPU> op mode -> rtty -> custom -> adjust the shift
[11:06] <Upu_M0UPU> down a little
[11:06] <upix> Upu_M0UPU: I ment the main element not the ground
[11:06] <AdamUK_> ah ok, thanks!
[11:06] <upix> it's quarter wave monopole
[11:06] <Upu_M0UPU> oh sorry
[11:06] <Upu_M0UPU> 2
[11:07] <upix> ok thanks a lot
[11:07] <fsphil> ah, good internet yay
[11:07] <upix> and the ground can be longer than 164mm right?
[11:08] <Upu_M0UPU> no keep it at 164mm
[11:08] <Upu_M0UPU> can we get anyone else on Mondo ?
[11:09] <ael> huh? the ground can be longer no problem
[11:09] <ael> longer the better
[11:09] <ael> more elements the better
[11:10] <fsphil> ooh, 40km
[11:10] <Upu_M0UPU> I've always kept them to 164mm as well
[11:10] <ael> it's just approximating an infinite plane, the more and longer the radials the closer you are to an infinite plane's impedence
[11:10] <Upu_M0UPU> http://ava.upuaut.net/files/2010-09-03%2019-26-16_0003.jpg
[11:11] <ael> but it is a good idea to not go less than a 1/4 wave certainly, or they'll be a very poor approximation
[11:12] <ael> xaben broken 20
[11:12] <ael> mondo entering exciting territory
[11:13] <ael> ReAscending Rocketboy?
[11:13] <upix> oh wow 40km
[11:13] <Upu_M0UPU> ok Mondo has beaten his previous highest
[11:14] <upix> so I'm confused about the ground planes
[11:14] <ael> what's the record currently?
[11:14] <Upu_M0UPU> 43721
[11:14] <ael> ta
[11:14] <ael> upix: the link upu provided will work fine
[11:14] <upix> rods*
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[11:15] <Upu_M0UPU> 42km for Mondo
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[11:16] <daveake> #6 UK then
[11:16] <daveake> Coming up on ANU2
[11:16] <Upu_M0UPU> oh there you are
[11:16] <daveake> Yeah, been shopping
[11:16] <Upu_M0UPU> did wonder
[11:16] <daveake> And Bristol Balloon Fiesta
[11:16] <Upu_M0UPU> thought there was something up with the universe
[11:16] <ael> Xaben: Pyro 2
[11:17] <ael> all sorts of cryptic fun
[11:17] <daveake> Not tried the others yet bvut Mondo is really weak here
[11:17] <Upu_M0UPU> its not a great signal
[11:17] <daveake> Needed the pre-amp to get a decode
[11:18] <fsphil> yay, I see the angel of the north
[11:18] <ael> 1km to record
[11:18] <daveake> OK, wondered if I'd cocked up the plug on the downlead. Again.
[11:18] <daveake> #4 now
[11:18] Action: daveake is watching the live record table intently :p
[11:19] <Upu_M0UPU> 43km
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[11:19] <daveake> burst burst burst (tm) Darkside
[11:19] <daveake> :D
[11:19] <ael> >43
[11:19] <daveake> 300m to get #3 slot
[11:19] <daveake> ascent slowed down. That latex is getting tight
[11:19] <junderwood_M0JCU> Hah. Mondo's signal has finally settled down
[11:20] <ael> yes noticed the slowing ascent
[11:20] <ael> someone should do a 50km rocket
[11:20] <upix> 43721 is #1 at the moment?
[11:20] <daveake> Might burst soon; might float
[11:20] <ael> that would give daveake a thrill with his live record table
[11:20] <daveake> Ascent was pretty quick so my guess would be the former
[11:20] <daveake> lol
[11:20] <Upu_M0UPU> meh beat pava :)
[11:20] <daveake> 10m blow 3
[11:21] <daveake> below
[11:21] <Upu_M0UPU> beat Xaben-26 ....
[11:21] <daveake> #3 now
[11:21] <Upu_M0UPU> now the slog
[11:21] <daveake> float
[11:21] <daveake> no sorry
[11:21] <daveake> misread
[11:21] <Upu_M0UPU> its not stopping
[11:21] <junderwood_M0JCU> signal is fading again :(
[11:22] <daveake> I predict I'm about to lose it :D
[11:22] <ael> 200m
[11:22] <joph> ael, so does north korea :P
[11:22] <fsphil> 100m
[11:22] <daveake> #2 I think
[11:22] <Upu_M0UPU> 2nd
[11:22] <Upu_M0UPU> ascent rate is still up
[11:22] <Upu_M0UPU> lol
[11:22] <Upu_M0UPU> 1meter
[11:22] <daveake> 1m
[11:22] <daveake> LOL
[11:22] <Upu_M0UPU> he's got it
[11:22] <daveake> ding
[11:22] <Upu_M0UPU> confirmed
[11:22] <Upu_M0UPU> new record
[11:23] <ael> all eyes on 44km
[11:23] <fsphil> sweet!
[11:23] <Upu_M0UPU> the new frontier
[11:23] <Upu_M0UPU> that is still going up
[11:24] <fsphil> 44km not far...
[11:24] <junderwood_M0JCU> slowing down
[11:24] <Upu_M0UPU> 44km now
[11:24] <daveake> 44km
[11:24] <Upu_M0UPU> well dang
[11:24] <fsphil> 44km!!
[11:24] <Upu_M0UPU> chinese rubber
[11:24] <Upu_M0UPU> best rubber
[11:25] <daveake> :D
[11:25] <fsphil> damn.. this makes it harder for me >:)
[11:25] <ael> i ratex their latex
[11:25] <Upu_M0UPU> see what you did there
[11:25] <ael> or as they i would say, i latex our ratex
[11:25] <daveake> 44.1
[11:25] <daveake> wow
[11:25] <fsphil> woo woo
[11:25] <Upu_M0UPU> this isn't just setting a new record its destroying it
[11:25] <Upu_M0UPU> signal has settled down
[11:26] <daveake> 44.2
[11:26] <ael> every 100m is a large relative percentrage drop in ambient pressure now
[11:26] <ael> running out of atmosphere quickly
[11:26] <upix> it's gonna choke
[11:26] <craag> What's on MONDO's payload? Anything apart from the tracker?
[11:26] <fsphil> A gold metal for team GB!
[11:26] <daveake> rocket
[11:27] <daveake> That lubber never read the specs
[11:27] <daveake> gonna go soon
[11:27] <junderwood_M0JCU> It's the line of code which multiplies all the altitudes by 1.5 that makes all the difference :)
[11:28] <Upu_M0UPU> burst ?
[11:28] <junderwood_M0JCU> gone
[11:28] <daveake> yup
[11:28] <daveake> wavey
[11:28] <fsphil> that was impressive
[11:28] <junderwood_M0JCU> going down
[11:28] <AdamUK_> popped
[11:28] <AdamUK_> :)
[11:28] <junderwood_M0JCU> I have a 44379 partial decode
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[11:29] <cuddykid> hi all
[11:29] <Upu_M0UPU> $$MON\O-3,725,11:27:43,+5217.1662-00038.8853,44379,00.7*76
[11:29] <cuddykid> ready to launch will be ~2mins
[11:29] <upix> what's the max altitude?
[11:29] <fsphil> shocking
[11:29] <Upu_M0UPU> officially 44376
[11:29] <junderwood_M0JCU> $$MONDO-3,725,11:27:42,+217.66™,-00 38.8853,44379,00.7*76
[11:29] <Upu_M0UPU> I'll push that manually 1 sec
[11:30] <Upu_M0UPU> won't let me
[11:30] <Upu_M0UPU> never mind
[11:30] <Upu_M0UPU> 44376 is enough :)
[11:31] <ael> until someone gets 44378 :)
[11:31] <Upu_M0UPU> XABEN coming up on 27km
[11:31] <daveake> Oh, I had the AGC off <blush>
[11:31] <Darkside> WAT
[11:32] <daveake> No wonder signal was weak
[11:32] <Darkside> 44376!!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:32] <Darkside> holy shitballs
[11:32] <Upu_M0UPU> lol
[11:32] <ael> wb Darkside
[11:32] <Upu_M0UPU> you just noticed :)
[11:32] <Darkside> yes
[11:32] <Darkside> i've been busy wrestling with o2
[11:32] <daveake> Darkside And your pre-amp help get received the Mondo data :)
[11:32] <ael> 27km foir xaben
[11:32] <daveake> helped
[11:32] <Darkside> yay!
[11:32] <Darkside> daveake: you have a 817, right?
[11:33] <daveake> I do, but this is on the FCD
[11:33] <Darkside> ok
[11:33] <Darkside> is the 817 handy?
[11:33] <daveake> 817 is downstairs but I can get it
[11:33] <daveake> yes
[11:33] <Darkside> just want to check it has the 6-pin mini-din connector
[11:33] <Darkside> i'm pretty sure it does
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[11:34] <daveake> I'll check. It has an 8-pin one for the CAT cable
[11:34] <LazyL_M0LEP> Yep, data out is a PS2-style keyboard/mouse connector.
[11:34] <LazyL_M0LEP> CAT is slightly different, I think?
[11:34] <Darkside> ok cool
[11:34] <Darkside> yeah this is data out
[11:34] <Darkside> it means i can plug my signalink USB into it
[11:34] <Darkside> and uplink using that
[11:36] <Darkside> i'm not goign to have the weight budget to bring a transceiver with me
[11:36] <Upu_M0UPU> hands up anyone who thinks Mondo is coming down with a 1kg of latex on it
[11:36] <Darkside> well, not a SSB capable one
[11:36] <Darkside> o/
[11:36] <Darkside> or a small parachute
[11:36] <Upu_M0UPU> its 50g payload
[11:36] <Darkside> oh wow
[11:36] <Upu_M0UPU> doing 26m/s @ 12km
[11:36] <Darkside> got a pic?
[11:37] <Upu_M0UPU> err
[11:37] <Upu_M0UPU> sec
[11:37] <LazyL_M0LEP> Eeep. Hope it's not going to make a crater!
[11:37] <Upu_M0UPU> http://www.flickr.com/photos/52455043@N03/sets/72157630842290568/
[11:37] <daveake> Darkside yes it has a 6-pin labelled "DATA"
[11:37] <Upu_M0UPU> sorry thats his previous one
[11:38] <Darkside> daveake: awesome
[11:38] <Darkside> i knew i made the right choice when i got that interface cable :-)
[11:38] <Darkside> works on icoms and yaesus
[11:38] <Darkside> and kenwoods too i think
[11:38] <daveake> :)
[11:38] <ael> xaben weak again
[11:38] <Upu_M0UPU> Xaben is through the death zone
[11:38] <ael> reavers!
[11:39] <Upu_M0UPU> yep Mondo coming in hot
[11:39] <griffonbot> Received email: David Akerman "Re: [UKHAS] Launch Announcement (11th August) MONDO"
[11:39] <junderwood_M0JCU> Mondo signal is much better on the way down
[11:40] <Darkside> feck, well i think this O2 sim has expired or something
[11:40] <Darkside> MyO2 isn't letting me top it up
[11:41] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "Re: [UKHAS] Launch Announcement (11th August) MONDO"
[11:41] <junderwood_M0JCU> Mondo landing in Wellingborough in 15 minutes
[11:41] <daveake> Darkside You can get another one very easily when you get here
[11:41] <Darkside> daveake: yeah
[11:41] <Upu_M0UPU> landing indicates a controlled decent
[11:41] <Darkside> but it would have been nice to have something for when i was waiting 4 hours in customs
[11:41] <daveake> Darkside http://imgur.com/SPOEZ
[11:41] <daveake> Sure
[11:41] <navrac> I got 44379 as the highest packet from mondo on my fldigi
[11:41] <junderwood_M0JCU> landing indicates reaching the ground
[11:41] <Upu_M0UPU> I would concur with that navrac
[11:42] <junderwood_M0JCU> ditto
[11:42] <Randomskk> did anyone get a complete sentence?
[11:42] <navrac> well 3 observers
[11:42] <Upu_M0UPU> I got
[11:42] <Upu_M0UPU> $$MON\O-3,725,11:27:43,+5217.1662-00038.8853,44379,00.7*76
[11:42] <junderwood_M0JCU> I'm sure we can put the sentence together between us
[11:42] <Darkside> daveake: ok not how i would have done it :P
[11:42] <Darkside> but ok
[11:42] <Upu_M0UPU> M0JCU got
[11:42] <Upu_M0UPU> $$MONDO-3,725,11:27:42,+217.66?,-00038.8853,44379,00.7*76
[11:42] <daveake> I'm sure of that :)
[11:42] <Darkside> you know i did actually design it to fit in a certain hammind box
[11:42] <Upu_M0UPU> I tried to post it
[11:42] <Upu_M0UPU> after correcting
[11:42] <Darkside> hammond*
[11:43] <Darkside> it fits perfectly into a 1590H i think, with SMA sockets
[11:43] <navrac> $$MONDO-3,725,11:27:43,+4217.1662,-00038.8853,44379,00.*76
[11:43] <daveake> Yeah that's the case I happened to have sat around
[11:43] <Darkside> mm ok
[11:43] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: #HABE is away! 434.650Hz - all trackers appreciated. Currently just over 2km in alt. http://t.co/7G3J4nWf #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/234253668197756929]
[11:43] <Upu_M0UPU> I'd say 44379 is it
[11:43] <Darkside> i see you removed some stuff on it
[11:43] <Darkside> L2 and R1
[11:43] <Upu_M0UPU> HABE up
[11:43] <cuddykid> could someone change the live predictor to 30km alt?
[11:43] <cuddykid> thanks :)
[11:43] <Upu_M0UPU> 434.650 something
[11:43] <daveake> I have a 5V reg on the backside
[11:43] <Upu_M0UPU> shortly cuddykid
[11:43] <cuddykid> thanks Upu_M0UPU
[11:43] <Darkside> daveake: ahh you added one of those :-)
[11:44] <daveake> Not the one the board was designed for - UpuPost let me down :p
[11:44] <Upu_M0UPU> yikes
[11:44] <Darkside> lol
[11:44] <Darkside> oh dear
[11:44] <Upu_M0UPU> 16m/s @ 6km
[11:44] <daveake> So I just stuck a 78L05 on it
[11:44] <Darkside> oh well, will work just fine
[11:44] <junderwood_M0JCU> will track habe once crater Mondo has been formed
[11:45] <AdamUK_> habe taken off then
[11:45] <junderwood_M0JCU> in someone's back garden
[11:45] <daveake> So have we got the top 10 slots away from the Americans yet? :p
[11:45] <Darkside> i think theres a CNSP launch still near the top
[11:46] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "Re: [UKHAS] Launch Announcement (11th August) MONDO"
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[11:48] <junderwood_M0JCU> does Mondo actually have a parachute?
[11:48] <Darkside> daveake: just noticed they put the board number in a bad place :(
[11:48] <Upu_M0UPU> I suspect its got alot of latex left
[11:48] <junderwood_M0JCU> I hope the batteries are well attached. It's going to be one hell of an impact
[11:49] <Darkside> i wonder where mondo is
[11:49] <daveake> underground soon
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[11:49] <AdamUK_> landing next to the train track..
[11:49] <Darkside> brace for impact
[11:49] <Randomskk> next to is fine
[11:50] <Darkside> hell, on it is fine too
[11:50] <junderwood_M0JCU> So is it the railway or the road?
[11:50] <Darkside> well, in terms of trains safety
[11:50] <Darkside> train won'y care about balloon
[11:50] <joph> http://dx.com/p/ov7670-300kp-vga-camera-module-for-arduino-147742
[11:50] <Darkside> mondo might care about train though
[11:50] <joph> sounds interesting
[11:50] <junderwood_M0JCU> Lost it. Last partial was $$MOODO-3,818,11:49:25,+5218.6793,-00040.1345,00812,-a.0*5E
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[11:50] <junderwood_M0JCU> MONDO must be close
[11:51] <Darkside> yeah, if he got it at 292m..
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[11:51] <Darkside> now, are we goign to see any more sentences..
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[11:52] <AdamUK_> mondo will have landed now
[11:52] <Darkside> 12m/s..
[11:52] <junderwood_M0JCU> no doubt about that :)
[11:52] <Darkside> ouch
[11:52] <junderwood_M0JCU> Unless it had a HALO parachute
[11:52] <AdamUK_> :)
[11:53] <Upu_M0UPU> will be interesting to see if it is still working
[11:53] <Upu_M0UPU> Mick can't be far away
[11:53] <ael> another big xaben dissappearing act here
[11:54] <upix> Could I have ESDed ezcap by touching antenna (it has wire isolation)
[11:54] <ael> oh well back now
[11:54] <Darkside> upix: yes
[11:54] <fsphil> odd, habhound is crashing when trying to plot xaben
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[11:56] <Upu_M0UPU> heh
[11:56] <Darkside> just like mondo
[11:56] <Upu_M0UPU> love swinging the antenna round and the signal going from really quiet to really loud
[11:56] <Darkside> lol
[11:56] <upix> Darkside: how do I make sure it's gone and not some bug. I've touched antenna and signal just disappeared in all the freq ranges. Recconnecting didn't help.
[11:57] <daveake> HABE said "No GPS" just now. ounds familiar
[11:57] <Darkside> upix: that sounds like you blew up the mixer
[11:57] <Upu_M0UPU> cuddykid your shift could be considered very custom :)
[11:57] <Darkside> Upu_M0UPU: do you have computer control of the rotator yet?
[11:57] <Upu_M0UPU> no
[11:57] <Darkside> planning on doing it?
[11:57] <Upu_M0UPU> absolutely
[11:57] <Darkside> awesome
[11:58] <Upu_M0UPU> sat here with a calculator working out elevation angles :)
[11:58] <Upu_M0UPU> GCSE Maths
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[11:58] <Upu_M0UPU> Mondo was at 13'
[11:58] <Darkside> use it and the rtl-sdr (or funcube) to have it find ghe directon of max signal
[11:58] <Darkside> and track based on max signal
[11:58] <Upu_M0UPU> tbh it picks up a decodable signal @ 90' off center
[11:58] <Darkside> :P
[11:59] <Darkside> it'd be useful if 2 people had similar setups, in different parts of the UK
[11:59] <Darkside> as you could then do rough balloon positioning off just a carrier
[11:59] <LazyL_M0LEP> Ok. So how fast was MONDO going when it hit the ground?
[11:59] <Upu_M0UPU> not sure there that many Habidiots about
[11:59] <Darkside> Upu_M0UPU: there are other hams that have beams
[11:59] <Upu_M0UPU> lazy 26mph
[11:59] <daveake> XABEN coming down
[11:59] <fsphil> yay, yorkshire
[11:59] <Upu_M0UPU> yep Xaben burst
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[12:00] <ael> so she has
[12:00] <ael> ah well, lunchtime then
[12:00] <Darkside> new mondo packet!
[12:00] <Darkside> 46m alt
[12:00] <daveake> +46m?
[12:00] <daveake> Ground level 70m?
[12:01] <Upu_M0UPU> -46m :)
[12:01] <gonzo_mob> heard good sigs on .075 and .300 a little while ago. but no decode kit here today
[12:01] <Darkside> more packets coming through
[12:01] <Darkside> woo
[12:01] <upix> Darkside: I just start SDR and do nothing and signal changes like that: http://s16.postimage.org/59wc0r5qt/sdr.png does that confirm anything?
[12:01] <Darkside> upix: i think you have blown up your mixer
[12:02] <upix> i guess there's no simple work arount
[12:02] <upix> around*
[12:02] <Darkside> no.
[12:03] <Darkside> buy a new dongle
[12:03] <ael> xaben quite a pedestrian descent
[12:03] <upix> really sad face
[12:03] <ael> 30m/s @ 30km
[12:03] <upix> how do you protect dongle from this?
[12:03] <ael> solder a diode from rfin to gnd
[12:04] <upix> won't that affect quality?
[12:04] <ael> normal tiny voltages induced by radio never get even remotely close to diodes forward voltage so it's effectively not there
[12:04] <navrac> no itdoesnt
[12:05] <ael> as far as the radio is concerned
[12:05] <upix> why don't they add in factory
[12:05] <ael> but big static voltages on you will be taken strtaight to gnd by the diode
[12:05] <ael> cos it's 5 cents more
[12:05] <ael> you payed $20 foir it
[12:06] <ael> you get what you pay for
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[12:07] <eroomde> all, footage of mick when record broke now up online
[12:07] <Upu_M0UPU> the ones I sell on the shop have the ESD diode installed
[12:07] <eroomde> http://i.imgur.com/xghMK.gif.jpg
[12:07] <Upu_M0UPU> I know because I do it :/
[12:08] <daveake> lol
[12:08] <Randomskk> so uhm
[12:08] <Randomskk> HABE
[12:08] <upix> Upu_M0UPU: link?
[12:09] <Randomskk> "12:8:3"
[12:09] <Randomskk> typically times have zeros in for that kind of thing
[12:09] <daveake> This is how it hit the ground - http://i.imgur.com/mtQgU.gif
[12:09] <Randomskk> the good news is that in a minute it'l be ten past and 83% of the subsequent packets will work again
[12:10] <eroomde> you don't need time when richard branson himself has challenged you
[12:10] <daveake> Didn't HABE have exactly that fault last time?
[12:10] <eroomde> the universe is pushed forward by entrepreneurial spirit
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[12:10] <Upu_M0UPU> upix http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=71_63&product_id=70
[12:10] <Upu_M0UPU> use the code UKHAS and you get 10% off that
[12:10] <Randomskk> eroomde: I thought that was josh?
[12:11] <daveake> Same flight - HABE + Josh
[12:11] <AdamUK_> I have a question about these dongles, how good are they with launches?
[12:11] <Randomskk> HABE's carrying Josh's payload?
[12:11] <Upu_M0UPU> wait up
[12:11] <AdamUK_> anyone had success tracking stuff?
[12:11] <ael> it's joshes icicles of death flight
[12:11] <Randomskk> or HABE is Josh? (I though it was adam c?)
[12:11] <Upu_M0UPU> is this Josh's payload ?
[12:11] <Upu_M0UPU> no
[12:11] <Upu_M0UPU> HABE = Adam C
[12:11] <ael> AdamUK_: yes of course
[12:11] <Upu_M0UPU> he did the F?ck Simon Cowell one
[12:11] <ael> how do you think the psoitions have got onto the map?
[12:11] <AdamUK_> really.. so i don't actually need a radio
[12:11] <AdamUK_> but i guess i need a decent aerial?
[12:12] <Darkside> Upu_M0UPU: he did the what?
[12:12] <Randomskk> at any rate the time thing is still problematic
[12:12] <ael> somnething for a tv show Darkside
[12:12] <Upu_M0UPU> long sorty but in short launched a picture of someone telling simon cowell to f?ck off
[12:12] <Upu_M0UPU> everyone turned it down
[12:12] <Upu_M0UPU> apart from Adam
[12:12] <Darkside> lol
[12:12] <daveake> Darkside cuddykid did a commercial flight with a message "F*ck You Simon Cowell" in front of the gopro
[12:12] <ael> you see a pattern emerging
[12:13] <daveake> More than we'll see on that icicles of death flight
[12:13] <Upu_M0UPU> it was actually a breach of section something of the public something act
[12:13] <daveake> :D
[12:13] <Upu_M0UPU> I had it somewhere as I asked about it
[12:13] <daveake> $$ASBO
[12:13] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah :)
[12:14] <Upu_M0UPU> Xaben to Mondo "Ok hot shot this is how you should decend"
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[12:17] <daveake> Mondo to Xaben "I hurt. Ground hard"
[12:17] <Upu_M0UPU> :)
[12:17] <AdamUK_> has Xaben been found yet?
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[12:17] <AdamUK_> Mondo sorry :D
[12:17] <Darkside> yeah we think so
[12:17] <Darkside> since it turned back on
[12:18] <daveake> Mick's note to self: Investigate the Curiosity landing procedure for next time
[12:18] <AdamUK_> ok
[12:18] <Upu_M0UPU> turned back on and/or Mick in range
[12:18] <AdamUK_> anyone know why it's still not decoding properly? http://imageshack.us/f/717/problem2s.png/
[12:19] <AdamUK_> it's meant to say ADAM IS TESTING
[12:19] <Upu_M0UPU> looks like it is decoding
[12:19] <Upu_M0UPU> any antenna in your dongle ?
[12:20] <AdamUK_> but there are major errors
[12:20] <AdamUK_> it has the standard small antenna
[12:20] <AdamUK_> but its only a metre away from the transmitter
[12:20] <tioukcom> what rtty setting is HABE using
[12:20] <AdamUK_> and the aerial is attached to a radiator
[12:20] <Upu_M0UPU> tioukcom 50 baud with a very wide shift
[12:20] <AdamUK_> what am i doing wrong?
[12:20] <ael> ironic
[12:20] <Upu_M0UPU> 780 shift atm
[12:21] <Upu_M0UPU> the supplied antenna isn't mean for 70cms
[12:21] <AdamUK_> oh ok
[12:21] <Upu_M0UPU> so may be causing an issue
[12:21] <eroomde> no it should be fine if it's all on the bench
[12:21] <eroomde> really
[12:21] <Upu_M0UPU> put it closer ?
[12:21] <AdamUK_> ok one sec
[12:22] <eroomde> i've had it working fine with no antenna at all when both are on the bench
[12:22] <craag> ive decoded balloons with the dvb antenna, should not be an issue.
[12:22] <Upu_M0UPU> possibly timing on the code then
[12:23] <Upu_M0UPU> reduce the delay slightly say from 10150 to 10000
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[12:23] <Laurenceb__> oops
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[12:23] <Laurenceb__> altitude record changes hands again
[12:23] <Upu_M0UPU> indeed
[12:23] <AdamUK_> ok, when the antenna and transmitter are within a couple of cm's, theres still the same issues
[12:23] <tioukcom> That width wasn't on my flgigi screen. is it 7n1
[12:23] <AdamUK_> maybe not as bad, but still not good
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[12:25] <AdamUK_> i've got two delayMicroseconds lines
[12:25] <Upu_M0UPU> yes
[12:25] <Upu_M0UPU> note the comments next to them
[12:25] <AdamUK_> should one be //'d ?
[12:25] <Upu_M0UPU> no
[12:25] <Upu_M0UPU> read the comments
[12:25] <Laurenceb__> delay?
[12:26] <Upu_M0UPU> rtty delay
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[12:26] <AdamUK_> they're both uncommented
[12:26] <Upu_M0UPU> ok if you do a delay of 20000
[12:26] <Upu_M0UPU> which is about right for 50 baud timing
[12:26] <AdamUK_> ok one sec
[12:26] <Upu_M0UPU> it doesn't work, I don't think the arduino can be that accurate
[12:27] <Laurenceb__> hmm havent come across that
[12:27] <Laurenceb__> oh
[12:27] <Laurenceb__> the generation delay - thought you meant fldigi
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[12:31] <Randomskk> okay
[12:31] <Randomskk> I just wrote and deployed a hotfix for HABE
[12:31] <Randomskk> to correct the time values
[12:31] <Randomskk> if anyone cares
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[12:32] <daveake> <silence>
[12:32] <daveake> I guess not :)
[12:32] <Randomskk> oh well
[12:33] <Laurenceb__> eroomde: I got prices on those valves I linked - $630 each
[12:33] <daveake> I'm on XABEN atm but I'll switch over when that's down
[12:33] <Laurenceb__> a little pricey :P
[12:33] <Upu_M0UPU> whats up with the time ?
[12:33] <Upu_M0UPU> oh
[12:33] <Upu_M0UPU> padding
[12:33] <Upu_M0UPU> lol
[12:33] <daveake> leadin zero suppression
[12:33] <Laurenceb__> we're closing in on JAXA record
[12:34] <Upu_M0UPU> their ZP one ?
[12:34] <Upu_M0UPU> what was that ?
[12:34] <eroomde> 55
[12:34] <eroomde> or something like that
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[12:34] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah we'll switch to ZP and take that
[12:34] <Upu_M0UPU> next week
[12:34] <Upu_M0UPU> busy this week
[12:34] <eroomde> i think closing in might be slighltly overstaing it
[12:35] <Laurenceb__> 53
[12:35] <Laurenceb__> another 8.5Km
[12:35] <Laurenceb__> http://www.isas.jaxa.jp/e/special/2003/yamagami/03.shtml
[12:35] <Upu_M0UPU> that 9km might as well be 9000 :)
[12:35] <daveake> indeed
[12:35] <Laurenceb__> dont think well do it yeah :P
[12:36] <Laurenceb__> very hard to get something like even 44km using zero pressure
[12:36] <Laurenceb__> 60,000m3 volume balloon fabricated of 3.4É m thickness film
[12:37] <Laurenceb__> thats pretty hardcore stuff
[12:37] <Laurenceb__> i think they mean microns
[12:41] <Upu_M0UPU> Habe is strong
[12:42] <Laurenceb__> thats 50m diameter
[12:42] <Laurenceb__> nuts
[12:43] <ael> HABE dial freq?
[12:43] <Upu_M0UPU> 434.650
[12:43] <Laurenceb__> wait wut
[12:43] <Laurenceb__> how many balloons
[12:43] <Laurenceb__> this is nuts
[12:44] <Laurenceb__> is everyone flying with hydrogen?
[12:45] <Upu_M0UPU> No idea, going to suspect Mondo was
[12:45] <ael> habes shift seems to be narrower and payload doc thinks for me
[12:46] <LazyL_M0LEP> Lost XABEN here
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[12:48] <Upu_M0UPU> suspect its down
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[12:49] <LazyL_M0LEP> Yes. It's right by a tree on the aerial photo....
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[12:49] Action: Upu_M0UPU pokes cuddykid
[12:49] <Upu_M0UPU> Say hi to Josh
[12:50] <Randomskk> I think he just autorejoined
[12:50] <Upu_M0UPU> he can read it later :)
[12:51] <Randomskk> hehe
[12:51] <Randomskk> so
[12:51] <Randomskk> HABE transmitted times like 12:8:3 instead of 12:08:03
[12:51] <Randomskk> at the moment habitat does not accept the former format (but I wrote a hotfix for HABE to fix it)
[12:51] <Randomskk> it would be possible to make habitat accept this format
[12:51] <cuddykid> hi Upu_M0UPU
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[12:51] <Randomskk> we're struggling to come up with any reasons for or against really
[12:51] <cuddykid> Josh says hi to all
[12:51] <Randomskk> does anyone have any thoughts?
[12:52] <Upu_M0UPU> smaller packets
[12:52] <Upu_M0UPU> but the anally retentive person inside me doesn't like it
[12:52] <Randomskk> if we cared about small packets we wouldn't be using this format anyway to be honest
[12:52] <Upu_M0UPU> ttrue
[12:52] <Randomskk> and you could save more space by removing the colons
[12:52] <Randomskk> (at which point you must have zero padding on)
[12:52] <Randomskk> and habitat already accepts no-colon
[12:53] <cuddykid> pulled over right near predicted landing
[12:53] <cuddykid> waiting game now :D
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[12:54] <LazyL_M0LEP> Hmmm... HABE's checksum is letting through all sorts of stuff...
[12:54] <daveake> cuddykid Any paint on the roof of the car yet?
[12:55] <Randomskk> LazyL_M0LEP: XOR is terrible
[12:55] <Randomskk> no one should use it ._.
[12:55] <upix> is HABE using xor checksum?
[12:55] <Randomskk> yes
[12:55] <Randomskk> so was MONDO I think though
[12:55] <Randomskk> ?
[12:55] <upix> so collisions
[12:55] <cuddykid> lol daveake
[12:55] <LazyL_M0LEP> I've seen more obviously bad lines go through than good ones, I think...
[12:57] <daveake> If there's something strange
[12:57] <daveake> in your payload box
[12:57] <daveake> Who ya gonna call?
[12:57] <daveake> CUDBUSTERS
[12:57] <Upu_M0UPU> "i you have a payload,andno one else will fly it, you need the ACudworth Team"
[12:57] <cuddykid> lol
[12:58] <cuddykid> all dangerous items fly with me
[12:58] <eroomde> and also their payloads
[12:58] <cuddykid> see if we can get 30km..
[12:58] <Upu_M0UPU> lol
[12:58] <daveake> If this one beats any records you can paint the town red
[12:58] <cuddykid> waiting right by predicted landing
[12:59] <daveake> Well youre probably doing that anyway
[12:59] <Upu_M0UPU> lol
[13:00] <upix> daveake: did you test how far can a ezcap receive?
[13:00] <daveake> No not yet
[13:01] <daveake> Hopefully I'll have a foil flight tomorrow and I'll test with that
[13:01] <daveake> Today I'm checking how well the preamp works with a Funcube
[13:01] <cuddykid> lol daveake
[13:04] <Upu_M0UPU> pop
[13:04] <Upu_M0UPU> reasonably stable
[13:05] <cuddykid> good stuff
[13:05] <Upu_M0UPU> 50p says the art part isn't connected to it when you get it back :)
[13:05] <cuddykid> pretty much bang on
[13:05] <cuddykid> I agree Upu_M0UPU
[13:05] <cuddykid> looked like it would be ripped off
[13:05] <daveake> cuddykid 2 separate payloads? i.e tracker and ink thing?
[13:06] <daveake> btw cuddykid I've seen a few "No GPS" messages
[13:06] <DrLuke> Damn, I need a cool name for my HAB project
[13:06] <cuddykid> daveake: yep
[13:07] <cuddykid> daveake: yeah, that's a bug, sorting that out
[13:07] <Randomskk> cuddykid: while you're at it, your times are sent like 12:8:3 instead of 12:08:03
[13:07] <Randomskk> should be easy enough to zero pad them
[13:07] <cuddykid> Randomskk: ahh ok
[13:08] <AdamUK_> can anyone help me? i've now got my NTX2 and Arduino transmitting strings accurately to my TV dongle, how do I go about getting the GPS now involved?
[13:09] <upix> AdamUK_: do you have ublox module?
[13:09] <AdamUK_> i'm hoping to get one from upu, but wanted to have an idea of what i need to do with it before i get it
[13:10] <daveake> Upu <> upix
[13:10] <AdamUK_> thought it would take longer to get the NTX2 working, but i'm sorted :)
[13:10] <AdamUK_> oh
[13:10] <upix> did you read a guide on ukhas?
[13:10] <upix> daveake: ?
[13:10] <AdamUK_> you're upu?
[13:10] <daveake> No, and neither are you :)
[13:10] <upix> no, Upu_M0UPU is UPU
[13:10] <AdamUK_> ok
[13:10] <upix> Upu*
[13:11] <daveake> UpuMany
[13:11] <AdamUK_> haha
[13:11] <AdamUK_> is this what i need to be looking at/doing? http://www.ukhas.org.uk/guides:ublox6
[13:12] <Upu_M0UPU> I am Upu and so is my wife
[13:12] <AdamUK_> :)
[13:13] <daveake> I am SpartacUpus
[13:13] <upix> AdamUK_: yes
[13:14] <AdamUK_> i'm just really bad at coding, so hopefully the code will help me understand
[13:14] <upix> AdamUK_: do you have a COM connection on your pc?
[13:14] <AdamUK_> COM?
[13:15] <AdamUK_> I've got USB's
[13:15] <AdamUK_> One is for my Arduino and I've got the TV dongle plugged into another
[13:15] <upix> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_port
[13:16] <upix> and dont mix it up with VGA
[13:16] <Randomskk> probably much easier to use a USB serial port
[13:16] <Randomskk> than a real one
[13:16] <upix> they might look alike from first view
[13:16] <AdamUK_> nope I don't have a serial
[13:16] <Randomskk> real serial ports are not the same voltage as the gps anyway
[13:16] <upix> alright
[13:16] <upix> Randomskk: max232 is easy fix
[13:16] <daveake> The Arduin USB virtual serial is all he needs
[13:16] <Randomskk> upix: no easier than an ftdi dongle
[13:16] <Randomskk> or indeed the arduino itself
[13:16] <daveake> AdamUK_ Follow these steps:
[13:17] <AdamUK_> Ok
[13:17] <daveake> 1 - Buy a UBlox breakout from nice Mr Upu*
[13:17] <AdamUK_> ~:)
[13:17] <upix> Randomskk: I don't have arduino so my methods are old fashioned
[13:17] <daveake> 2 - Connect to the Arduino serial connection (Rx/Tx)
[13:18] <daveake> 3 - The GPS Tx --> Arduino Rx needs to be through a switch (you have to break the line to program the Arduino)
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[13:18] <cuddykid> mobilising
[13:18] <daveake> 4 - Write yourself (don't copy) some simple code to read a byte a time from the serial port and echo it back to the serial port
[13:18] <cuddykid> heading to Madeley
[13:18] <daveake> 5 - Run that on the Arduino then connect the GPS
[13:19] <daveake> 6 - In the Arduino IDE run the serial port monitor and set that to 9600 baud (same as you have to set in the program btw)
[13:19] <daveake> 7 - Marvel as you see the GPS data appear on your screen
[13:19] <AdamUK_> :)
[13:19] <daveake> Do those then let us know how you got on :)
[13:19] <AdamUK_> where will the gps data appear? dl-fldigi?
[13:20] <Darkside> >_>
[13:20] <daveake> I told you
[13:20] <daveake> <daveake> 7 - Marvel as you see the GPS data appear on your screen
[13:20] <daveake> In the serial port monitor
[13:20] <AdamUK_> :)
[13:20] <AdamUK_> ok
[13:20] <daveake> No NTX2 at this point
[13:20] <daveake> Learn to do things modularly
[13:20] <upix> AdamUK_: what I did when I got ublox is connect it to serial port of my pc, opened a terminal (which shows what is comming to serial port) and watched the GPS module send strings, then I read ublox message format datasheet, sent some commands back, tried some examples from ukhas and learned how to configure ublox and how to manage it
[13:20] <daveake> So get the GPS going before you do the radio side
[13:21] <AdamUK_> I understand most of it, but I haven't a clue how to code in Arduino.
[13:21] <daveake> upix Yeah, but his need at the mo is to learn more Arduino coding.
[13:21] <AdamUK_> When I see code, I can understand what it's doing and know where the parameters are etc., but from scratch i'm not good.
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[13:21] <daveake> Well, that's what you need to learn
[13:21] <AdamUK_> Ok
[13:22] <daveake> Otherwise you'lll be on here every 10 minutes with "this is my code it no work plz help thankyou", or something like that :)
[13:22] <AdamUK_> and the gps module will just sit on the arduino?
[13:22] <AdamUK_> Haha :)
[13:22] <Upu_M0UPU> and eroomde will rage
[13:22] <Upu_M0UPU> some times silently
[13:22] <daveake> muchly
[13:22] <AdamUK_> haha
[13:22] <Upu_M0UPU> sometimes not so silently
[13:23] <upix> AdamUK_: try just googling some arduino tutorials
[13:23] <AdamUK_> ok
[13:23] <upix> and start from blinking LED
[13:23] <upix> but write it all on your own
[13:23] <AdamUK_> ok
[13:23] <upix> then step by step you will learn
[13:23] <upix> it doesn't come in other any way that that
[13:24] <upix> than that*
[13:24] <upix> it's a pitty it's not matrix
[13:24] <upix> that would be some other learning
[13:24] <AdamUK_> as regards hardware side of things, will the gps module just plug and play?
[13:24] <DrLuke> upix: that would be pretty boring imho
[13:24] <AdamUK_> like just put the board over the arduino and it's sorted?
[13:24] <DrLuke> AdamUK_ is it a shield?
[13:25] <DrLuke> or link to whatever you bought
[13:25] <daveake> No you need soldering unless you can find a Ublox on a Arduino shield
[13:25] <AdamUK_> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_60&product_id=68
[13:25] <upix> DrLuke: could't say so, in a sence yes, but on the other hand it's different experience
[13:25] <AdamUK_> that's what i think I need?
[13:26] <DrLuke> ah that's as good as plug and play
[13:26] <DrLuke> you just need to connect TX to RX and RX to TX
[13:26] <upix> you need this one
[13:26] <upix> and it seems Upu_M0UPU managed the voltages
[13:26] <AdamUK_> the one I linked to will work best?
[13:26] <upix> just connect everything correctly
[13:26] <Upu_M0UPU> the board with level converters in
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[13:27] <DrLuke> I plan to run my entire system on 3.3V so I don't even have those problems :P
[13:27] <upix> AdamUK_: yes it just need correct connections. I mean Vcc to Vcc, GND to GND, TX to RX etc etc
[13:27] <AdamUK_> so just sit it over the correct pins right?
[13:28] <DrLuke> no, you need wires
[13:28] <upix> ya, but triple check it before you do that
[13:28] <DrLuke> it doesn't plug directly onto the board
[13:28] <AdamUK_> When ordering please specify in the notes if you want the 2.54mm pitch header installing and if you want the battery shorting out (i.e no backup battery is going to be used with the device).
[13:29] <AdamUK_> whats that all about?
[13:29] <DrLuke> that's whether you want pins or just the holes
[13:29] <upix> you probably want battery shorted
[13:29] <AdamUK_> pins :)
[13:29] <DrLuke> with the holes you can directly solder in wires, with the pins you can use it in a breadboard
[13:29] <upix> AdamUK_: do you have a breadboard?
[13:29] <AdamUK_> breadboard would be nice
[13:30] <AdamUK_> yep i've got it now with the NTX2 on:)
[13:30] <AdamUK_> transmitting some strings
[13:30] <DrLuke> do you plan to fly with the breadboard?
[13:30] <AdamUK_> nope
[13:30] <DrLuke> good
[13:30] <LazyL_M0LEP> Ok. Not getting anything readable from HABE now. Heading out. Thanks for an interesting day's tracking, all.
[13:30] <DrLuke> breadboards have extremely unreliable connections, I've already lost so many hours over breadboard failure
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[13:30] <AdamUK_> with pins, it'll go directly into the arduino? so i won't need a breadboard or any messy wiring?
[13:31] <DrLuke> no
[13:31] <DrLuke> you'll need messy wires
[13:31] <AdamUK_> o
[13:31] <DrLuke> you could get female-male jumper wires
[13:31] <upix> DrLuke: I personnaly never had such problems, though never trusted breadboard either
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[13:32] <AdamUK_> so can i confirm, the breakout board will need wires? or will it sit directly on the pins of the arduino?
[13:32] <daveake> AdamUK_ To make a payload YOU WILL NEED TO SOLDER. Get a soldering iron, wire, wire cutters, solder, matrix board (veroboard)
[13:32] <Randomskk> you could confirm for yourself
[13:32] <Randomskk> check the pins on the breakout board
[13:32] <DrLuke> AdamUK_: http://www.ebay.de/itm/20pcs-Male-to-Female-Solderless-Dupont-Jumper-Wire-AWG-For-Arduino-Protyping-/170892671209?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27c9ff38e9
[13:32] <AdamUK_> yep i've got those
[13:32] <Randomskk> check the pins on the arduino
[13:32] <Randomskk> see if it matches up
[13:32] <daveake> So if you have those, then don't worry about having to use them
[13:33] <DrLuke> AdamUK_: The breakout does NOT plug into the arduino directly, you need to connect it via the wires
[13:33] <AdamUK_> I just wanted to know what to expect for the steps mentioned
[13:33] <AdamUK_> ok
[13:33] <daveake> It's like coding. You have to learn to code. To test. To debug. Just part of the path you've chosen
[13:33] <DrLuke> a HAB is a pretty steep entry into electronics
[13:34] <DrLuke> so much things can go wrong
[13:34] <daveake> Well the actual wiring is pretty simple but even so probably a bit daunting at first
[13:34] <AdamUK_> ok
[13:34] <daveake> Mostly it's just putting wires to the right place, with a resistor here or there.
[13:35] <AdamUK_> ok, so firstly i'll breadboard it
[13:35] <AdamUK_> best thing is i get this ordered and see how it pans out :)
[13:35] <DrLuke> yep
[13:35] <daveake> That's fine, but personally I'm not a fan of breadboard. I have one. I never use it. Too easy to break the circuit.
[13:36] <Randomskk> meh, I like breadboards for a lot of simple things
[13:36] <Randomskk> quick prototyping is great
[13:37] <upix> AdamUK_: http://s17.postimage.org/ro2ko5tjz/DSC00445.jpg
[13:37] <upix> this may not be the best example
[13:37] <daveake> quick build quick break :D
[13:37] <DrLuke> yeah, and when your project looks like this: http://i47.tinypic.com/2ajyheg.jpg
[13:37] <daveake> I prefer to solder stuff
[13:37] <upix> but breadboard is great for prototypes
[13:37] <AdamUK_> ok thanks for the link, a bit messier than i imagined
[13:38] <upix> daveake: don't you prototype?
[13:38] <DrLuke> upix: I counter with this: http://i47.tinypic.com/aonmyr.jpg
[13:38] <daveake> matrix board
[13:39] <DrLuke> it really gets funky when you have different lengths of jumper wires
[13:39] <AdamUK_> ahh i see a headache with those wires :D
[13:39] <upix> DrLuke: I would second counter you with my previous project but it's gone already
[13:39] <upix> :)
[13:39] <DrLuke> :P
[13:40] <upix> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Breadboard_complex.jpg this one looks fun
[13:40] <DrLuke> Also sometimes things go very south: http://i48.tinypic.com/2l9gykw.png
[13:40] <DrLuke> ugh
[13:40] <AdamUK_> headache haha
[13:40] <DrLuke> just imagine you accidentally rip out a few wires
[13:41] <upix> that's an "oops" you never want to hear
[13:41] <SpeedEvil> Much, much more fun is if a contact is dodgy
[13:41] <DrLuke> yep
[13:42] <upix> or broken wires
[13:42] <DrLuke> the cheap chinese ones break very fast
[13:43] <upix> but you can order a buch which would last longer than expensive ones
[13:43] <upix> though annoying thing I admit
[13:44] <DrLuke> yep
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[13:47] <upix> so anyone got any news from todays flights?
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[13:51] <DrLuke> Nooo! My mother touched my groundplane antenna, it's all bent up now
[13:52] <Randomskk> if your mother touching it makes it sad you might want to revisit the design
[13:53] <DrLuke> Let me rephrase it
[13:53] <DrLuke> she touched it in a very rough manner
[13:53] <DrLuke> almost crumbled it
[13:53] <cuddykid> good job it avoided that a road :)
[13:56] <cuddykid> time for a bit of x-country!
[13:56] <cuddykid> report back in a bit..
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[14:08] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: Recovered! #HABE #UKHAS http://t.co/A7gs7Pq1 [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/234290258924163073]
[14:09] <upix> DrLuke: I touched my antenna and it it burned my tv dongle
[14:09] <DrLuke> haha
[14:09] <Randomskk> wo
[14:09] <Randomskk> wow*
[14:09] <Randomskk> check out that art.
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[14:10] <upix> what art?
[14:10] <Randomskk> an acute observation upix
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[14:10] <DrLuke> Holy crap, I just though of a cool name: Ghabe - German HAB experience
[14:11] <DrLuke> the plus side is that it sounds like Gabe
[14:11] <upix> I'm not catching you Randomskk
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[14:12] <cuddykid_mob> been recovered!
[14:12] <Randomskk> well done cuddykid_mob
[14:12] <Randomskk> we saw, nice work
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[14:13] <cuddykid_mob> Josh's "art" in tact and i have to say looks better than i was expecting
[14:13] <cuddykid_mob> thanks Randomskk
[14:13] <cuddykid_mob> only ~100m from busy a road
[14:13] <upix> what is this art you are talking about
[14:13] <cuddykid_mob> ill post a pic to twitter
[14:14] <JFS1> Good flight and will be interested to see this art work.
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[14:45] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[14:46] <Lunar_Lander> congratulations to MONDO-3 for the new altitude record
[14:50] <griffonbot> Received email: David Akerman "[UKHAS] Launch Announcement - PAVA Sunday 12th August"
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[15:20] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtWbpyjJqrU&feature=youtube_gdata_player I do not condone doing the above from high altitude balloons.
[15:26] <Randomskk> this reminds me of my mechanics lectures
[15:28] <Randomskk> that cat is amazingly placid
[15:32] <daveake> We're looking after a pregnant cat at the mo, while its owner is on her hols
[15:32] <daveake> I've got a network camera in her room so we can watch from wherever :)
[15:32] <Randomskk> :D
[15:33] <Randomskk> I need to set up my IP camera again
[15:44] Nick change: Upu_M0UPU -> Upu
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[15:49] <DrLuke> SpeedEvil: I've recently read somewhere that cats can survive their own terminal velocity
[15:49] <DrLuke> or maybe it was just a special kind, I don't know
[15:51] Nick change: junderwood_M0JCU -> junderwood
[15:54] <junderwood> Were MONDO and XABEN recovered?
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[15:55] <Upu> Not sure
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[15:56] <Upu> Mondo might need digging out
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[16:07] <Lunar_Lander> hi Upu
[16:07] <Lunar_Lander> what happened?
[16:07] <Upu> well if you ever turned up when a launch was on you'd know :)
[16:07] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[16:08] <Upu> it came in rather quick.
[16:09] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[16:09] <Lunar_Lander> the curve looks like that, yes
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[16:16] <Upu> fsphil is back on the move
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[16:24] <fsphil> Yorkshire 1, hadie 0
[16:25] <cuddykid> hi all
[16:25] <fsphil> mcdonalds, brb :)
[16:25] <cuddykid> some great go pro footage
[16:25] <Upu> hey fsphil no joy I take it ?
[16:25] <Upu> hey cuddykid assume Josh will be uploading
[16:26] <cuddykid> thanks all for tracking
[16:26] <cuddykid> hi Upu, yeah, he's going to get it all put together in a proper film - hopefully by next weekend
[16:26] <cuddykid> Upu: thanks for all your soldering etc - it did a fantastic job!
[16:26] <Upu> glad it held together
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[16:27] <cuddykid> seems to be quite robust
[16:27] <cuddykid> got a full canister of helium - Josh brought 2 up and left a full one here :D
[16:27] <cuddykid> so hopefully flying again soon
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[16:31] <daveake> Helium? How 2011 :p
[16:32] <cuddykid> lol daveake
[16:32] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[16:32] <daveake> You should keep it. It'll double in value soon enough
[16:32] <cuddykid> haha
[16:33] <DrLuke> Where do you even buy hydrogen
[16:33] <cuddykid> BOC
[16:33] <DrLuke> what's that
[16:33] <cuddykid> a company
[16:33] <DrLuke> oh
[16:34] <cuddykid> http://www.boconline.co.uk/
[16:34] <DrLuke> I guess they don't operate in germany
[16:35] <Lunar_Lander> Linde
[16:35] <Lunar_Lander> WestfalenGas
[16:38] <DrLuke> linde looks good, thanks
[16:42] <Lunar_Lander> you're welcome
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[16:59] <fsphil> Upu: no sign of it
[16:59] <fsphil> but fantastic area
[16:59] <fsphil> had a great walk
[17:00] <DrLuke> aww
[17:03] <fsphil> great place though, I'd almost come back and do more walking here
[17:05] <fsphil> zero mobile phone coverage. even a backup gsm module wouldn't have had a hope
[17:05] <fsphil> only satellite would have had a chance
[17:06] <Lunar_Lander> oh
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[17:13] <Paradoxial> Hey Lunar
[17:13] <Paradoxial> I can't find anything wrong with the code
[17:15] <Lunar_Lander> hi Paradoxial thanks
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[17:16] <Paradoxial> Now if only there wasn't something wrong with it...
[17:16] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[17:16] <Paradoxial> Unless it's a hardware issue
[17:17] <Lunar_Lander> there was that part about the DS18B20 giving 1000 as an error code, right?
[17:17] <Lunar_Lander> we removed that to see what we would get from the sensor
[17:17] <Lunar_Lander> we got 2047 on the first string and from then on 0.06
[17:21] <Lunar_Lander> sometimes, the GPS time locks up for two strings and we get a 333 error
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[17:25] <Lunar_Lander> it is really strange
[17:26] <Lunar_Lander> Paradoxial, ?
[17:28] <Lunar_Lander> thank you for checking over the code
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[17:35] <Paradoxial> How far along is the project now?
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[18:01] <Lunar_Lander> Paradoxial, the hardware is done about now
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[18:09] <Lunar_Lander> wb Paradoxial
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[18:10] <Lunar_Lander> wb Paradoxial
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[18:21] <cuddykid> does anyone know of a free excel to KML converter?
[18:25] <fsphil> where all todays launches recovered?
[18:25] <DanielRichman> cuddykid: yus http://www.python.org/
[18:26] <cuddykid> DanielRichman: yeah, wanted to check whether anyone had any code before I knock one together
[18:26] <cuddykid> I'll make one later after tea
[18:27] <DanielRichman> I think spacenear has a kml export thing, I don't know if it works
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[18:28] <DanielRichman> cuddykid: here's the sauce to the spacenear kml export http://pastie.org/private/nhadinrlu3n2ys2sl6yw incase that helps
[18:29] <DanielRichman> though you're probably gonna use a kml library anyway so i doubt it
[18:30] <DanielRichman> actually, look at this http://ukhas.org.uk/launch:170610nova18pegvii:kmlfile
[18:30] <DanielRichman> no conversion required, just export as csv and add a header.
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[18:35] <Lunar_Lander> hello mclane
[18:36] <mclane> hello lunar
[18:37] <mclane> what is the status of your project?
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[18:38] <Lunar_Lander> hardware almost done, code still gives some errors
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[18:40] <Lunar_Lander> hi OZ1SKY_Brian
[18:43] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Hi Lunar
[18:44] <Lunar_Lander> how are you today?
[18:44] <OZ1SKY_Brian> fine thank, u?
[18:44] <Lunar_Lander> same here thanks
[18:45] <Lunar_Lander> what are you up to?
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[18:46] <Brian_DK> borring stuff, remodeling the new house, stuff you dont want to hear about :-)
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[18:53] <Lunar_Lander> wb OZ1SKY_Brian Paradoxial
[18:53] <Lunar_Lander> OZ1SKY_Brian, ah ok
[18:53] <Lunar_Lander> OZ1SKY_Brian, today I met the hosts of NDR2 :)
[18:54] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hosts? what do you mean, of a show or the owners?
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[18:57] <cuddykid> thanks DanielRichman
[18:57] <Lunar_Lander> the two people who do the morningshow
[18:57] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ah ok, did you talk to them about covering your launch?
[18:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> btw didnt know you was in the NDR zone
[18:58] <Lunar_Lander> not really they were just in town because of the concert this evening and we talked about that I listen to them often and so on
[18:58] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[18:58] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:59] <OZ1SKY_Brian> i was thinking WDR was your zone
[19:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> you should have told them about your project and demand coverage, hi
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[19:10] <Lunar_Lander> OZ1SKY_Brian, yeah I'll write them
[19:10] <Lunar_Lander> we didn't have time for a big talk
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[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> hi cuddykid congrats for your flight
[19:14] <cuddykid> Hi Lunar_Lander - thanks! :)
[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[19:17] <DrLuke> congrats! any pictures yet?
[19:18] <Lunar_Lander> OZ1SKY_Brian, did the LES test of Copenhagen Suborbitals work?
[19:19] <Lunar_Lander> ah didn't fly yet
[19:19] <OZ1SKY_Brian> no, new test tomorrow acording to the web. i gotta run abit , back later
[19:20] <Lunar_Lander> ok
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[19:44] <fsphil> yay, Hadrian's Wall
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[19:46] <Lunar_Lander> where?
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[19:52] <LazyLeopard> Hopefully where it's been these last 1800 years and more...
[19:54] Action: LazyLeopard pans to fsphil_chase on the tracker. ;)
[19:55] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[19:59] <fsphil> lol
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[20:08] <daveake> yo RocketBoy
[20:09] <daveake> Get XABEN back?
[20:09] <RocketBoy> yep
[20:09] <RocketBoy> easy recovery
[20:09] <daveake> Good stuff
[20:10] <RocketBoy> middle of a field that had been harvested
[20:10] <daveake> nice when they're easy
[20:10] <daveake> :)
[20:10] <daveake> Not 5' high maize then :p
[20:10] <RocketBoy> nope - don't get much easier
[20:11] <Lunar_Lander> hi RocketBoy daveake
[20:11] <RocketBoy> other than lying be site of raos
[20:11] <RocketBoy> sd
[20:11] <RocketBoy> road
[20:11] <LazyLeopard> ...with the chute flagging it. ;)
[20:11] <cuddykid> had to trek through about 10ft high sweetcorn to get to my payload today!
[20:12] <cuddykid> very pleased it wasn't in with the sweetcorn
[20:12] <LazyLeopard> All today's payloads recovered?
[20:12] <daveake> On the scout one the chute was right at the side of a (driveable) footpath just off the road
[20:12] <daveake> Not heard from Michael AFAIK
[20:13] <daveake> He's probably getting drunk :p
[20:13] <LazyLeopard> How deep did Mondo bury itself?
[20:14] <daveake> Dunno :)
[20:14] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[20:14] <daveake> But it was stil working after
[20:14] <LazyLeopard> It seemed to come down really rather fast. ;)
[20:14] <RocketBoy> was it landing fast?
[20:14] <daveake> Over 10m/s I think
[20:15] <RocketBoy> wonder if he had a chute
[20:16] <daveake> I gave Darkside's filtered amp a run; worked well
[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil, is TV3 really bad?
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[20:22] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil, and do have Irish the same humor than English?
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[20:28] <MrScienceMan> anyone tried to make a geiger coutner?
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> hey MrScienceMan
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> no not yet
[20:31] <cuddykid> KML - http://db.tt/0RH3ZPkF
[20:31] <Laurenceb_> who was MONDO?
[20:32] <Laurenceb_> daveake?
[20:32] <daveake> Nope
[20:32] <daveake> Michael (mjc)
[20:33] <Lunar_Lander> MrScienceMan, are you planning to?
[20:33] <Laurenceb_> hes never online
[20:33] <daveake> nope
[20:33] <MrScienceMan> Lunar_Lander: yep
[20:33] <number10> was on mailing list
[20:34] <number10> nearer 9 or 10 tomorrow daveake ?
[20:34] <number10> for launch
[20:34] <daveake> Depends when I get hold of Upu and get his code from him :D
[20:35] <Lunar_Lander> MrScienceMan, how do you do it?
[20:35] <daveake> Nearer 10 probably
[20:35] <number10> k
[20:36] <MrScienceMan> Lunar_Lander: lookup diy geiger counter, there is one on spark fun as well
[20:36] <daveake> It'll take a while to get to a decodable altitude
[20:36] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:36] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[20:37] <number10> Laurenceb_: http://www.bellomondo.co.uk/
[20:37] <Laurenceb_> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/ukhas/ihuiGnI4UoQ[1-25]
[20:37] <Laurenceb_> ^lol @ eroomde
[20:43] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil, still here?
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[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> "What's wrong with TV3??? A kids programme ending at midnight!!! That should have been on at 6 PM plus, there was a condom ad during the break!! Classy as ever TV3. "
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[20:49] <eroomde> Laurenceb_: ?
[20:49] <Laurenceb_> to Oliver
[20:49] <Laurenceb_> on his sea suggestion
[20:49] <eroomde> oh
[20:49] <Randomskk> -1 really really olde
[20:50] <eroomde> less said about olivers suggestions the better
[20:50] <Laurenceb_> heh
[20:51] Action: Laurenceb_ has been offered a job developing medical sensors
[20:51] <Laurenceb_> not sure if I want to sink to that level...
[20:52] <eroomde> depends on how much you like ms word
[20:52] Action: Laurenceb_ hates making decisions
[20:52] <Laurenceb_> lol
[20:53] <Laurenceb_> I guess I can always quit
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[20:54] <Laurenceb_> the main issue is that everyone in the company is an utter idiot/WOW fanatic/weirdo
[20:55] Action: eroomde stays silent
[20:55] <Randomskk> tactful
[20:55] <Laurenceb_> ...
[20:55] <RocketBoy> there is the obvious Q
[20:56] <eroomde> rather walked right into that one lb
[20:56] <Laurenceb_> I dont play world of warcraft
[20:57] <eroomde> i know
[20:57] <Laurenceb_> oh wait
[20:58] Action: Laurenceb_ stays silent
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[21:00] <Laurenceb_> anyway - I guess the obvious solution is to take up offer then look for something decent and quit
[21:00] <Laurenceb_> which will piss them off massively but I dont care
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[21:10] <Lunar_Lander> hello RocketBoy
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[21:18] <Gadget-Mac> Evening all
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[21:20] <Upu> not heard from Mick
[21:20] <Gadget-Mac> How did cuddykid 's flight go ?
[21:20] <Upu> up and down
[21:20] <cuddykid> Gadget-Mac: well thanks
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[21:20] <Upu> even came back with the "space art" still attached
[21:20] <Gadget-Mac> Just looking at the tracker
[21:20] <cuddykid> that was a big surprise
[21:20] <cuddykid> the go pro footage showed it got an absolute battering on the way down
[21:20] <Gadget-Mac> Soooo miffed I was out all day. Could have almost touched it from home
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> hey Upu
[21:21] <Upu> evening
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> how are you today?
[21:21] <Upu> the usual :)
[21:21] <Upu> pointy thing on the roof worked well
[21:21] <Upu> New record
[21:21] <Gadget-Mac> About 4 miles away, and 6KM up at it's closest point to me cuddykid
[21:22] <Upu> many balloon flights
[21:22] <Upu> all good
[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> I am like a bit more excited because I met two radio hosts today
[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> yeah :)
[21:22] <cuddykid> nice Gadget-Mac! Was a little worrying towards the end as it was v close to a-roads
[21:22] <Gadget-Mac> I see.
[21:22] <cuddykid> but all was good in the end
[21:22] <daveake> Tom Daley bronze; Mondo Mick gold. But who'll be in the news? :p
[21:23] <Gadget-Mac> cuddykid: cool.
[21:23] <cuddykid> daveake: Josh
[21:23] <cuddykid> mr space art man
[21:24] <daveake> yes .....
[21:24] <Laurenceb_> http://bash.org/?950832
[21:41] <Randomskk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYs215TgI7c
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[22:05] <jcoxon> evening all
[22:05] <Randomskk> yo
[22:06] <Lunar_Lander> hello jcoxon
[22:06] <Lunar_Lander> may I ask something on the EURUS code?
[22:08] <jcoxon> you can try Lunar_Lander
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> ok
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> we are basically using the code for the GPS at our system along with code examples for the BMP085 and DS18B20
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> occasionally we get the following
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> the time locks up for one string and we get a 333 eroor
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> *error
[22:09] <Lunar_Lander> and sometimes the navmode will be 50 instead of 6 for the duration of one string, along with a 43 error
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[22:10] <Lunar_Lander> do you have an idea about that?
[22:12] <jcoxon> sometimes the gps returns bad responses
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> that happened on your system too?
[22:13] <jcoxon> sometimes
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> we got that on random intervals
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> maybe every 10th string or so
[22:16] <jcoxon> might need to change the function that collects the data
[22:16] <jcoxon> perhaps increase the timeout length
[22:16] <Lunar_Lander> OK
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[22:19] <Lunar_Lander> thanks jcoxon
[22:20] <Lunar_Lander> did you use the BMP085 before?
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[22:21] <jcoxon> have previously
[22:21] <jcoxon> not currently
[22:23] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:23] <Lunar_Lander> I think this one is a problem
[22:23] <Lunar_Lander> it somehow needs a lot of resources of the arduino
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> did you experience that too jcoxon ?
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[22:33] <jcoxon> not particularly
[22:34] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[22:34] <Lunar_Lander> do you have your BMP085 code on your github?
[22:35] <jcoxon> don't think so
[22:35] <jcoxon> never been that interested in flying one
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[22:36] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[22:36] <Lunar_Lander> do you know other pressure sensors?
[22:37] <jcoxon> never used any others
[22:37] <jcoxon> always relied on gps
[22:37] <jcoxon> night all
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[22:38] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
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[22:58] <DrLuke> lunar_lander: make your own with a balloon, a jar and a potentiometer!
[22:59] <Lunar_Lander> yea xD
[22:59] <DrLuke> :p
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[23:19] <Lunar_Lander> good night
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[23:38] <fsphil> all recovered?
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