highaltitude.log.20120801

[00:06] <Lunar_Lander_> who buys me https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10061 ?
[00:06] <Lunar_Lander_> xD
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[00:11] <chrisstubbs> If you buy me six lunar, i will buy you one
[00:11] <chrisstubbs> :P that is pretty cool, bet it takes ages to process the image though!
[00:12] <Lunar_Lander_> xD
[00:14] <chrisstubbs> Im off now guys, later!
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[00:22] <Lunar_Lander_> good night
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[03:37] <Dan-K2VOL> morning
[03:53] <nigelvh> Evening
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[07:21] <costyn> morning
[07:29] <fsphil> when did that happen
[07:29] <number10> still waiting for it to be good
[07:31] <fsphil> all rainy here
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[07:34] <costyn> all sunny here, gonna be 1 nice day then back to regular scheduled programming of piss-poor "summer" weather
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[07:58] <griffonbot> Received email: Rick Hewett "[UKHAS] Re: MONDO launch..."
[08:00] <fsphil> I wonder if the scouts gopro saw any storms
[08:04] <daveake> The SD card is in the post to me now I think, so I should see it tomorrow.
[08:04] <daveake> We got rained on within 2-3 minutes of the launch
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[08:13] <fsphil> from what I seen of it, flying it naked definitely helps
[08:13] <fsphil> the image is solid
[08:14] <fsphil> did it have the battery pack?
[08:14] <daveake> yep
[08:17] <Darkside> whats this?
[08:17] <Darkside> flying the gopro naked?
[08:17] <Upu> yeah recommended
[08:17] <daveake> Without the waterproof case
[08:17] <Darkside> yeah
[08:17] <Darkside> we use a waterproof case with a hole cut in teh side
[08:17] <Darkside> for the usb port
[08:18] <Darkside> so its water resistant, but not sealed
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[08:40] <erniejunior> hi guys
[08:41] <erniejunior> anyone here from europe interested in building a small personal airship for the sake of doing something great and beeing free?
[08:44] <gonzo_> given the JAA regs, fredome could be in limited supply
[08:44] <Upu> free for small values of free I suspect
[08:44] <daveake> Wind probably won'y be
[08:44] <gonzo_> nope, we have lots of free wind in uk
[08:46] <gonzo_> (and recently, a bit of hot air)
[08:47] <erniejunior> the plan was to start with a floating treehouse. then develop propulsion and fly off
[08:47] <erniejunior> in germany, as long as the line is not longer than 30m there are no regulations
[08:48] <erniejunior> what are JAA regs?
[08:48] <gonzo_> joint aviation authority
[08:48] <gonzo_> you probably have the wrong interest group for that sort of project
[08:49] <erniejunior> so where is the right one?
[08:49] <daveake> It's "High Altitude" here. Like 30km or so. You don't want to go that high.
[08:49] <erniejunior> ah sorry
[08:49] <erniejunior> I am off to #lowaltitude
[08:49] <daveake> :)
[08:49] <Darkside> lol
[08:50] <Upu> population 1 :)
[08:50] <erniejunior> ?
[08:50] <Upu> well actually population 5.7billion
[08:50] <fsphil> #treelevel
[08:50] <gonzo_> tree level balloons are not taht uncommon though
[08:51] <fsphil> this is true
[08:52] <erniejunior> what is that?
[08:52] <erniejunior> there is nobody in the channel
[08:52] <Upu> [09:50] <Upu> population 1 :) <-
[08:54] <gonzo_> you will need to google to find a DIY airship interest group
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[08:55] <erniejunior> I know a DIY airship interest group
[08:55] <erniejunior> but they are spread all over the world
[08:56] <daveake> That's wind for you
[08:56] <costyn> heheheh
[08:57] <fsphil> urg, local radio station just talked about the upcoming "phoenix" mars lander
[08:57] <daveake> oh dear
[08:57] <fsphil> I always thought they lived in the past
[08:57] <gonzo_> actually, just did a very rough calc of the cost of gas to lift a man. Looks like it's close on £2000
[08:58] <daveake> Well it's approx 1 m^3 per kg
[08:58] <fsphil> Helium?
[08:58] <gonzo_> H2
[08:58] <erniejunior> H2 is that expensive?
[08:58] <fsphil> cheaper than Helium
[08:59] <daveake> Mor ebang for your buck
[08:59] <fsphil> but more explosive
[08:59] <gonzo_> it's hal;f the cost of He
[08:59] <fsphil> oh that's very good daveake
[08:59] <daveake> I just waited for the chance :D
[08:59] <daveake> About £9 / m^3
[09:00] <daveake> So about £1000 per person
[09:00] <gonzo_> you can tick that pun off your list now then
[09:00] <daveake> It's a big list
[09:00] <fsphil> scouts fly cheaper then?
[09:00] <gonzo_> depends on the size of the person!
[09:01] <daveake> I was using me as an example :)
[09:01] <gonzo_> hehe, I was doing the same!
[09:01] <daveake> lol
[09:02] <gonzo_> I was taking the li9ft of a 3000gm latex x 35 as an example. But that's probably inefficient as an envelopw
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[09:03] <erniejunior> no you want polyurethane coated nylon
[09:03] <daveake> Ah, I forgot about the cost/weight of latex :p
[09:03] <daveake> Which is strange as I just spent £200-odd on Latex
[09:03] <gonzo_> (and the figures give a fill for HAB alts, so could poss reduce that by fully filling them)
[09:03] <daveake> Very much so
[09:04] <gonzo_> keep your private habots off the chan!
[09:04] <gonzo_> habbits
[09:04] <gonzo_> (pun?)
[09:06] <erniejunior> so nobody wants to join me at #lowaltitude ?
[09:06] <fsphil> I've hab enough
[09:06] <daveake> Don't feel deflated
[09:06] Action: daveake ticks another
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[09:12] <erniejunior> please tell me more about treelevel balloons then
[09:17] <daveake> erm, they're round?
[09:17] <gonzo_> when high altitude balloons come down, they get caught in trees, along with kites and cats
[09:17] <zyp> and quadrotors
[09:18] <zyp> I once spent some hours trying to get down mine
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[09:18] <fsphil> a common enemy
[09:19] <gonzo_> the Jewdean Peoples Front!
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[09:20] <daveake> Can I... join your group?
[09:23] <gonzo_> Nah.... go away
[09:23] <gonzo_> What ever happened to the Popular Front?
[09:23] <erniejunior> hmm
[09:23] <daveake> Splitters
[09:24] <gonzo_> Obviously you're a devout pythonist too dave
[09:24] <daveake> It's the one true religion
[09:25] <daveake> And I have Google to help me remember :)
[09:25] <gonzo_> one to bear in mine at the next census
[09:25] <daveake> Yep
[09:25] <daveake> Up yours Jedi Knights
[09:25] <gonzo_> (who say Ni!?)
[09:26] <daveake> :)
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[11:13] <daveake> Does anyone know of an adapter to fit a Yaesu F&-817 into a standard DIN size slot in a car dashboard?
[11:14] <daveake> Seems like something that ought to exist but my Google skills are failing me
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[11:20] <gonzo_> you would think so
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[11:20] <gonzo_> wonder if there is a universal type DIN kit you can cut to fit?
[11:20] <daveake> Yeah, that's probably the best bet
[11:21] <daveake> The Shogun has 2 separate DIN slots, one with the radio and the other currently has a plastic compartment with a door (tastefully trimmed in walnut)
[11:22] <daveake> The 817 doesn't quite want to fit inside
[11:22] <daveake> But a metal adapter should be OK
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[11:23] <daveake> The best advice I could find was someone who said he just went to a local car stereo fitting place, and they had loads of spare ones sat around, and gave him one
[11:24] <daveake> If I see a spare hole or blank button in a car, I just want to make it functional :D
[11:24] <costyn> hehe, more features = better
[11:24] <daveake> Yup :)
[11:24] <costyn> but yea a builtin radio is excellent for your nerd-cred
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[11:25] <daveake> yup
[11:25] <daveake> I've added 2 dash mounts, 1 for the phone and the other for the scanner :)
[11:25] <nosebleedkt> hi from my new irc client,xchat :)
[11:30] <daveake> Everyone's pretending your client isn't working ;)
[11:34] <nosebleedkt> lol
[11:35] <SamSilver> who you talking to daveake ?
[11:36] <daveake> Nobody. A cat walked across my keyboard.
[11:36] <daveake> sdafu ]t43 fgvdsg spkld
[11:36] <daveake> there he goes again
[11:39] <daveake> Wonder if I could get away with swapping the screws on the top of the unit with countersunk or thinner ones.
[11:39] <daveake> Shall have a play later
[11:40] <daveake> The joys of Stage 5 :D
[11:47] <nosebleedkt> hahaha
[11:48] <gonzo_> sad is when you have a remote control box with all the radio audio and RF routing done in the boot
[11:49] <daveake> Don't give me ideas :)
[11:50] <daveake> I have the USB CAT lead for the 817, so I /could/ tune from the car PC .....
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[11:50] <costyn> hahaha
[11:51] <gonzo_> (just spent three daysbuilding the switching systemm. That's the downside of having all the radios boot mounted/remote
[11:51] <daveake> Keeps the radio stuff away from the engine ignition noise though
[11:56] <gonzo_> routing audio mike levels around and ground loops is a minefield
[11:56] <daveake> Argh yeah. I had an earth loop on the audio from my car PC to the stereo in the pug
[11:57] <gonzo_> also having to combine RX audio';s from numbers of radios into one speaker
[11:57] <daveake> Easily fixed with one of those transformer widgets
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[11:58] <gonzo_> I do religiously collect transformers off old modem cards for that reason
[11:58] <daveake> :-) Good thinking :)
[11:58] <gonzo_> but you end up needing twp per radio
[11:58] <gonzo_> two
[11:58] <daveake> sure
[11:58] <daveake> but free
[11:58] <gonzo_> I got away withcareful grounding
[11:59] <gonzo_> free but scarce these days
[11:59] <gonzo_> beds find was a huge PBX unit with about 20 of them
[11:59] <gonzo_> desoldered with a gas torch
[12:00] <daveake> If you need any more, and you're going to the conf, I'm sure I can find at least a couple of old cards
[12:00] <gonzo_> combining the rx audio was sorted by attenuating down and combining ino one audio amp
[12:00] <gonzo_> won't be at the conf, but ta for the offer
[12:00] <daveake> ah ok
[12:01] <gonzo_> (I don't do london)
[12:01] <daveake> yeah, I'm quite close, and I don't much either
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[12:07] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: #HABE launch hopefully occurring sometime soon - target wk/end 11th Aug #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/230635932620058624]
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[12:18] <eroomde> i would die without london
[12:19] <nick_> :S
[12:19] <eroomde> latralah
[12:20] <eroomde> i would
[12:20] <eroomde> oxford doesn't seem to attract the sort of stuff i want to see
[12:20] <eroomde> at least not enough
[12:22] <nick_> I dislike London
[12:22] <nick_> Although I'd quite like to live near a big city, just one that's less shit than London
[12:22] <nick_> Chicago maybe
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[12:23] <eroomde> don;t mind keeping some aspects of london then
[12:23] <eroomde> like rain :)
[12:29] <Laurenceb> i went on the tube a couple of weeks ago
[12:30] <Laurenceb> they had actually done some work on it
[12:30] <Laurenceb> its was amazing
[12:30] <Laurenceb> someone had painted over the graffiti
[12:30] <Laurenceb> and someone has fixed some broken fluorescent tubes
[12:31] <Laurenceb> i think due to the olympics they employed a member of staff for maintenance or something
[12:31] <Laurenceb> i was shocked
[12:33] <nick_> I'm going this weekend
[12:33] <nick_> Going to see some table tennis on Saturday
[12:36] <griffonbot> @AnthonyStirk: Yikes #ukhas http://t.co/WEJIbnX2 [http://twitter.com/AnthonyStirk/status/230643225789100033]
[12:38] <WillDuckworth> getting serious Upu
[12:38] <fsphil> I quite like london
[12:38] <costyn> WillDuckworth: yea... apparently setting records with his colinear wasn't enough
[12:38] <fsphil> you never quite know what smell you're going to get around the next corner :)
[12:39] <fsphil> the eye of upu
[12:39] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... Serious yagi and rotators there...
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[12:43] <fsphil> I suspect in a storm that antenna will still be up there even if the house is gone
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[13:01] <gonzo_> hmmm, I'd best keep my head down on this subject!
[13:02] <daveake> Mine only goes up when I need it
[13:02] <daveake> ahem
[13:02] <costyn> hehe
[13:02] <daveake> And yes it does need string to keep it straight
[13:03] <gonzo_> a lolly stick and a coupkle opf elastic bands works too
[13:03] <nosebleedkt> i want to put a telescope on a hab
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[13:05] <costyn> nosebleedkt: NASA has beatn you to the punch http://soral.as.arizona.edu/STO/Welcome.html
[13:05] <daveake> Silly NASA and big budgets eh?
[13:06] <nosebleedkt> lol
[13:06] <fsphil> how are you going to aim it nosebleedkt?
[13:06] <nosebleedkt> with magic
[13:06] <nosebleedkt> xaxa
[13:07] <fsphil> sufficiently advanced technology then :)
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[13:09] <gonzo_> most magic consists of knowing one extra fact
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[13:24] <Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihjT18vm1PE
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[14:34] <SamSilver> In March 1973 a super pressure balloon launched near Brisbane, Australia completed two orbits of the earth at 23 to 30 degrees south latitude. The flight was terminated by command and the payload recovered 9 miles from the launch site.
[14:34] <SamSilver> ^^ http://stratocat.com.ar/artics/nsbf-history-e.htm ^^
[14:35] <Laurenceb> not as good as the IR balloon
[14:36] <SamSilver> it landed closer than that?
[14:37] <costyn> IR Baboon?
[14:37] <Laurenceb> http://ballonsolaire.pagesperso-orange.fr/en-historique3.htm
[14:37] <costyn> sorry :)
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[14:49] <nigelvh> Morning
[14:52] <fsphil> good aftermornevening nigelvh
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[14:55] <nigelvh> As good a description as any
[14:55] <nigelvh> Any fun stuff going on over there?
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[14:59] <fsphil> trapped in an office, one hour until freedom :)
[15:00] <nigelvh> Only an hour for you. About 7 more for me.
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[16:11] <jontyw> Hello!
[16:11] <nick_> hi
[16:11] <jontyw> We'd really like some ukhas-ers to talk at Electromagnetic Field. If people don't want to come to the full event, we're offering free day tickets for speakers.
[16:12] <jontyw> Full details are on our website: http://emfcamp.org, and there's a limited £5 discount link available at the moment: www.emfcamp.org/tickets/token/hackspace
[16:13] <jontyw> I'll lurk in here again in case anyone has questions, but we'd really love to have some of you guys there
[16:13] <jontyw> The talks that you've given before are really awesome
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[16:19] <number10> jontyw: there were a couple of guys interested in going along - not here at the moment but I'll pass message on
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[16:22] <jontyw> number10, please do
[16:22] <jontyw> number10, is it worth me emailing your list?
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[16:22] <jontyw> We're trying to get a) tickets sold, and b) a list of speakers confirmed, hence why I've dropped in now :)
[16:22] <number10> probably a good idea jontyw
[16:22] <jontyw> Ok, I'll sort an email out shortly
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[17:10] <Dan-K2VOL> hello all
[17:18] <SamSilver> Hi Dan
[17:18] <Dan-K2VOL> hey dave
[17:18] <SamSilver> what you talking on at the HAB conf. ?
[17:18] <Dan-K2VOL> how's the winter down there?
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[17:19] <Dan-K2VOL> I'm not sure yet, I've been so busy this summer with work, I'm now scaling back just a bit and will have time to put something together
[17:19] <Dan-K2VOL> will you be going?
[17:21] <SamSilver> Winter here is cool but sunny - today was maybe the coldest day so far this winter: 17 deg C and sunny
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[17:22] <SamSilver> nope not this year - I am going over next year in july for hols - it might be at same time , then I will
[17:22] <Dan-K2VOL> cool
[17:23] <SamSilver> i am at work soo will be afk for bits
[17:23] <SamSilver> like now afk
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[17:39] <griffonbot> Received email: Jonty Wareing "[UKHAS] Speaking at Electromagnetic Field 2012, and ticket discount!"
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[17:53] <griffonbot> Received email: Adam Greig "Re: [UKHAS] Speaking at Electromagnetic Field 2012, and ticket discount!"
[17:55] <griffonbot> Received email: Graham Shirville "Re: [UKHAS] Speaking at Electromagnetic Field 2012, and ticket discount!"
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[18:45] <Lunar_Lander_> hello
[18:45] <Lunar_Lander_> did you also get an E-Mail from Digi-Key asking if you want to sign up to their newsletter?
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[18:54] <eroomde> Lunar_Lander_: yeah
[18:54] <eroomde> si signed up to it
[18:54] <eroomde> then bailifs came to reposess my house
[18:54] <eroomde> DO NOT REPLY TO IT
[18:55] <Lunar_Lander_> ?
[18:55] <Upu> I signed up and my milk went off
[18:55] <Upu> bstards
[18:55] <daveake> I signed up then I stubbed my toe
[18:55] <daveake> gits
[18:55] <Lunar_Lander_> xD
[18:56] <daveake> Actually those things are lies
[18:56] <daveake> We all signed up then JamesBurton arrived
[18:56] <Upu> lol
[18:58] <Lunar_Lander_> rOFL
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[19:05] <nigelvh> That's terrible
[19:06] <nigelvh> Good thing I haven't signed up.
[19:06] <Upu> lol
[19:06] <nigelvh> Though they do email me when parts go out of production.
[19:07] <nigelvh> Jerk manufacturers. They need to manufacture their parts in perpetuity!
[19:14] <gonzo_> so the obselecense reports are in with the launch blurb then?
[19:15] <nigelvh> Mostly it's just a hassle as it means the next year I either have to redo the boards, or find a pin/footprint compatible replacement.
[19:17] <costyn> daveake: omg... is that why JamesBurton came to haunt us?
[19:17] <costyn> :)
[19:17] <costyn> daveake: funny stuff
[19:17] <nigelvh> Also daveake, when did you sign up for that? It might explain some students I had this last fall...
[19:19] <Lunar_Lander_> hi nigelvh costyn
[19:19] <nigelvh> Howdy
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[19:20] <costyn> hi LL
[19:20] <costyn> Lunar_Lander_: you like greeting people eh?
[19:21] <nigelvh> I think Lunar likes chatting in general.
[19:21] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[19:21] <Lunar_Lander_> today I tried running the microSD breakout
[19:21] <Lunar_Lander_> it even worked the first try
[19:21] <fsphil> I was never very good at chatting
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander_> but several tries later, for some reason there was no more log written to the card
[19:22] <nigelvh> "I... um.... Nice weather we're having?"
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander_> and then the computer refused to recognize the card
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander_> xD
[19:22] <nigelvh> "Things are good? Yeah? Uh huh? Oh really?"
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[19:23] <fsphil> it's like I'm in the room!
[19:23] <fsphil> oh wait
[19:24] <Gadget-Mac> Oh, life :)
[19:24] <nigelvh> "Wow, that's so insightful." "She was totally wrong." "It's amazing how right you are hon."
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[19:25] <Lunar_Lander_> hm
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander_> aren't we here to discuss technical problems?
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander_> hello mclane
[19:26] <nigelvh> Talking to people/wives sounds like a technical problem to me...
[19:26] <mclane> hello Lunar
[19:27] <Lunar_Lander_> how was your flight?
[19:27] <mclane> quite successfull: max. altitude 37800 m; but some problems with the cameras
[19:27] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[19:27] <Lunar_Lander_> what happened?
[19:27] <mclane> not enough battery capacity
[19:28] <Lunar_Lander_> oh ok
[19:28] <mclane> and insufficient testing of a new chdk firmware for the canon a800
[19:28] <mclane> but recovery was very easy
[19:28] <Lunar_Lander_> cool
[19:28] <Lunar_Lander_> where did it land?
[19:29] <mclane> in a small village 1 km away from the border to the check republic
[19:29] <mclane> we found it 5 m on the side of the street
[19:29] <Lunar_Lander_> ah
[19:29] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
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[19:30] <Lunar_Lander_> could you receive it despite it didn't show up on the tracker website anymore?
[19:30] <mclane> the village is called Neualbenreuth
[19:30] <Lunar_Lander_> ah
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[19:30] <mclane> in the middle of what we call "bavarian Siberia"
[19:31] <Lunar_Lander_> XD
[19:31] <mclane> yes we received it down to 2400 m
[19:32] <mclane> but we had no internet connection
[19:32] <mclane> and some trouble with the dl-fldigi config
[19:32] <Lunar_Lander_> ah
[19:32] <Lunar_Lander_> but cool to hear tat
[19:32] <Lunar_Lander_> *that
[19:32] <Lunar_Lander_> congratulations :)
[19:33] <mclane> we found it with the redundant gps/gsm tracker
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[19:33] <mclane> now we work on an upgrade and fixing the problems we had
[19:34] <mclane> probably another flight in September
[19:34] <mclane> after vacation
[19:34] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[19:35] <Lunar_Lander_> saw this earlier http://s.gullipics.com/image/0/7/8/5zttob-jbksuh-dqt/IMG0313.jpeg
[19:36] <mclane> nice
[19:37] <Lunar_Lander_> :)
[19:37] <Lunar_Lander_> http://s.gullipics.com/image/w/y/7/5zttob-jbksld-swmr/IMG0315.jpeg
[19:37] <fsphil> I haven't seen any noctilucent clouds this year
[19:37] <daveake> Haven't seen much blue sky either
[19:38] <fsphil> might explain why
[19:38] <Lunar_Lander_> xD
[19:38] <fsphil> "at altitudes of around 76 to 85 kilometres" ... so strange to think there can be any weather up that high
[19:38] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
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[19:43] <costyn> that is weird yes
[19:46] <fsphil> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/Iss017e011632.jpg
[19:46] <fsphil> taken from the iss
[19:47] <MrScienceMan> very nice
[19:48] <Lunar_Lander_> awesome!
[19:48] <fsphil> our little balloons only get about half way up that picture :)
[19:48] <fsphil> that's the realm of rockets
[19:48] <Lunar_Lander_> yea
[19:50] <costyn> fsphil: crazy picture
[19:51] <costyn> fsphil: amazing that there's enough atmosphere to hold water vapor
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[20:32] <craag> Argh. Had got to soldering on the sensors and forgot my 5A power supply was still connected. One dead arduino.
[20:33] <nigelvh> Ive done that more times than I'd like to admit.
[20:33] <jonsowman> oops
[20:38] <Upu> I blew up 3 Commodore 64's trying to reset them with paper clips
[20:38] <nigelvh> Sounds like a poorly located reset button.
[20:39] <Upu> there was no reset button
[20:39] <Upu> you shorted out 2 pins on a PCB
[20:39] <nigelvh> Ah.
[20:40] <Upu> http://everything2.com/title/how+to+warm+reboot+a+Commodore+64+with+a+paperclip
[20:40] <nigelvh> That seems like a easy place to make a mistake.
[20:40] <Upu> though I did solder a Push to make switch after the 3rd time
[20:40] <Lunar_Lander_> Upu, xD
[20:40] <Upu> evening Lunar
[20:40] <Lunar_Lander_> hello Upu
[20:40] <daveake> Don't start me on my history of blowing things up :D
[20:41] <Upu> :)
[20:41] <Upu> I suspect its impressive
[20:44] <fsphil> not adding a reset button to the c64 was a stupid idea
[20:44] <LazyLeopard> Love the ambiguity in "blowing things up" ;)
[20:44] <fsphil> my action replay cartridge provided one thankfully
[20:44] <daveake> I'll give you one then :-) .... on site in the states once, fixing someone else's firmware that was controlling some machinery. I had a laptop (enormous thing back then) which had an ISA slot.
[20:44] <fsphil> cause back then I was really bad at soldering
[20:44] <daveake> In that was an ISA expansion board with ribbon cable to a 3-way ISA backplane
[20:45] <daveake> Into which was plugged an EPROM programmer board
[20:45] <daveake> Into which was plugged another cable to an EPROM programmer
[20:45] Action: LazyLeopard remembers opening the HP floppy drive that came back from a Nigeria crew with "Not working" written on it.
[20:45] <fsphil> laptop with an isa slot? never seen one of those
[20:45] <daveake> The programming software didn't see the chip, so I looked and saw the programmer board was a loose fit in the ISA backplane.
[20:46] <daveake> What I should have done: power down then push in then power on
[20:46] <daveake> What I did do: Just pushed down
[20:46] <daveake> What I didn't know: There was a paper clip underneath the backplane board
[20:46] <daveake> Killed the lot
[20:46] <daveake> Well, the laptop
[20:46] <nigelvh> Ouch
[20:47] <daveake> So I ended up hiring a PC and getting the source and programmer software copied from the laptop drive to the PC
[20:47] <Lunar_Lander_> ohh
[20:47] <daveake> on the plus side, the intervening 3 days waiting for that to happen gave me plenty of time to fix all 6 bugs in the source
[20:47] <Lunar_Lander_> yay
[20:47] <daveake> So when I did program the EPROM, it worked first time
[20:47] <daveake> Which was just as well as the PC then died
[20:47] <nigelvh> Nice
[20:47] <daveake> lol
[20:48] <LazyLeopard> When we opened the box we discovered about a quarter of the main circuit boars wasn't there any more. Well, there was a thin film of soot all over everything, and lots of very small metal beads...
[20:48] <daveake> :)
[20:51] <LazyLeopard> Turned out they'd connected a data cable from the computer on the survey boat to the drive on the housboat without first making sure both boats were earthed together. There was some electrical potential disagreement, which was resolved by vapourising the board...
[20:52] <LazyLeopard> What we never did understand was why the operator who performed the connection was still alive...
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[21:46] <mattloaf1> hello #highaltitude
[21:46] <fsphil> evening mattloaf1
[21:47] <mattloaf1> i'm launching my first balloon and was considering a night launch since it's a full moon tonight, does anyone have experience with night launches? is the video usually servicable?
[21:47] <mattloaf1> we are a children's summer camp in new york
[21:47] <fsphil> indeed, lovely moon out tonight
[21:48] <fsphil> I've no experience with that myself
[21:48] <nigelvh> If you want to recover it, don't launch at night.
[21:48] <mattloaf1> even if i went to go find it first thing in the morning?
[21:49] <nigelvh> If the batteries on your tracker are still running by then.
[21:49] <mattloaf1> we are in a fairly rural area, i don't expect anyone to come across it until day
[21:49] <mattloaf1> it's GPS so i would expect any signals to come across after landing and it wouldn't move after that
[21:49] <mattloaf1> not doing any ham stuff
[21:49] <nigelvh> If you can hear the signals or get a GPS position to decode.
[21:50] <nigelvh> I often find I end up direction finding on the radio signal
[21:50] <fsphil> ah, just found my old venus gps module
[21:50] <mattloaf1> we have no radio signal, just two separate GPS systems sending coords to the internet via cell phone on one of them and satellite on the other
[21:51] <nigelvh> Well then it doesn't matter. If you get a signal on the ground then you've got your coordinates, if not you've got no good way to find it.
[21:51] <mattloaf1> right
[21:51] <nigelvh> So day or night doesn't matter at that point.
[21:51] <mattloaf1> main concern is quality of the video
[21:51] <mattloaf1> but it's HD gopro
[21:51] <mattloaf1> so i expect it will be okay
[21:51] <mattloaf1> with a full moon
[21:52] <nigelvh> I haven't used the gopros, but if there are any city lights that could be interesting. You'll probably catch some of the moon too. The rest will probably look rather dark.
[21:52] <mattloaf1> great. thanks for the advice. i'll report back afterward
[21:52] <nigelvh> Might try to time it to launch during the "civil twilight" period, where there's still some light, but the sun isn't up.
[21:53] <fsphil> sunrise also looks pretty amazing at altitude
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[22:06] <Upu> you catch the moon in day time
[22:07] <nigelvh> I've done that.
[22:07] <nigelvh> Some of my favorite photos I've gotten have been Earth+Moon in a shot.
[22:07] <Upu> where are you launching from mattloaf1 ?
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[22:24] <eroomde> mattloaf1: your payload should be called hab ouuta hell
[22:24] <eroomde> you should do a dawn launch
[22:24] <eroomde> so you can legitimately say
[22:24] <eroomde> it'll be gone when the morning comes
[22:24] <daveake> If you launch 3 times and recover twice .....
[22:25] <daveake> (ed will finish the joke for me)
[22:25] <daveake> ok he won't lower his standards to my level :p
[22:26] <Lunar_Lander_> xD
[22:26] <eroomde> it was implied
[22:26] <daveake> :)
[22:26] <eroomde> but that joke aint bad
[22:26] <fsphil> you've been made an ed-xample
[22:26] <daveake> :(
[22:26] <fsphil> oh that was awful
[22:27] <fsphil> carry on
[22:27] <eroomde> you should make your payload a glider mattloaf1
[22:27] <daveake> :)
[22:27] <eroomde> so you can say legitimately after burst
[22:27] <eroomde> it's all coming back to me now
[22:27] <daveake> I used that one on my payload that landed in the sea and floated back to me :)
[22:28] Action: daveake is impressed that Ed knows the same guy wrote that
[22:28] Action: daveake has met Jim Steinman a coupla times, btw.
[22:28] <daveake> Fanboy I am
[22:29] <Lunar_Lander_> cool!
[22:29] <fsphil> I bet you just googled Lunar_Lander_ :)
[22:30] <fsphil> (I did too)
[22:30] <Lunar_Lander_> no I don't know who Mr. Steinman is, but I just wanted to say cool
[22:30] <fsphil> lol
[22:30] <daveake> lol
[22:30] <daveake> He shoots he scores
[22:30] <Lunar_Lander_> this guy? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Steinman
[22:31] <daveake> Yes. Friend of mine took that photo btw
[22:31] <Lunar_Lander_> cool!
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[22:33] <daveake> anyway, time for bed. nn
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[22:41] <eroomde> if you want to hear an extraordinary laugh
[22:41] <eroomde> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b017j5jw/Old_Jews_Telling_Jokes_Episode_2/
[22:41] <eroomde> 5.30
[22:44] <fsphil> ack, flash. the internet sucks without it :(
[22:51] <fsphil> lol
[22:51] <fsphil> it just keeps going
[22:51] <fsphil> (i broke, installed flash)
[22:59] <mattloaf1> Upu: launching from upstate NY
[23:00] <mattloaf1> first time doing it so i reckon about a 0% chance i ever see this payload again
[23:00] <fsphil> she's going again!
[23:00] <fsphil> (do you treat dwarfs ... yes, you just have to be a little patient. love that)
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[23:01] <fsphil> nahhhh mattloaf1
[23:02] <fsphil> just be careful and don't rush into things
[23:03] <fsphil> ... she's still going ...
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