highaltitude.log.20120729

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[00:16] <griffonbot> @AnthonyStirk: RT @daveake: Looking good for the "Frog Scout in Spaaaace" tomorrow. Should be launching 12:30 - 1pm. Watch for 5thSCOUT and BUZZ on t ... [http://twitter.com/AnthonyStirk/status/229369694782648320]
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[00:35] <griffonbot> Received email: Dave "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Scout Sunday"
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[06:03] <griffonbot> Received email: David Akerman "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Scout Sunday"
[06:07] <daveake> morning all
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[07:00] <griffonbot> Received email: David Akerman "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Scout Sunday"
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[08:38] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] LAUNCHING AT 10 Bello Mondo"
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[08:42] <oh7lzb> Listening to air band VHF traffic... a Finnair flight just reported seeing a large clear white weather balloon above Gulf of Finland at FL100
[08:43] <oh7lzb> controller asked for details, but the pilot said he didn't get a good look as they were passing it at a high relative speed :)
[08:43] <oh7lzb> "large, white"
[08:43] <Darkside> lol
[08:43] <Darkside> probably a met balloon
[08:44] <oh7lzb> yup
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[08:48] <craag> I'm trying to build dl-fldigi on linux, but having problems with './configure' not finding jsoncpp, even though it's installed. Any ideas?
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[08:56] <mclane> craag: which version? you need the one which is mentioned in the compile description
[09:00] <number10> anyone else not got mondo in payload list?
[09:00] <number10> or buzz
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[09:02] <radim_> where is mondo-3 ? I can't see it in tracker :-(
[09:02] <number10> I have refreshed payload data and modo and buzz are not on the flight list on fldigi
[09:03] <radim_> mee too. I can see just 6 other payloads today
[09:03] <jcoxon> i've cleared the tracker
[09:05] <jcoxon> no data from mondo yet
[09:05] <number10> jcoxon - any idea whi buzz and mondo are not in my fldigi flight list?
[09:05] <jcoxon> i suspect the payload hasn't been powered on
[09:05] <jcoxon> select test docs
[09:05] <jcoxon> they are there
[09:06] <number10> ok
[09:07] <jcoxon> under 5th scout launch
[09:07] <jcoxon> but i wonder if people haven't updated the docs correctly
[09:08] <number10> i see 5th scout - but also modo is launch I cant see that - also dave is sending up a buzz payload
[09:11] <jcoxon> i can't change it from here
[09:11] <craag> mclane: Sorry, had to dash. I've tried both 0.5.0 and 0.6rc2, I think the problem is that I'm using archlinux and it's not detecting it properly. I'll look up how to set the JSON_LIBS manually.
[09:11] <craag> *JSONCPP_LIBS
[09:11] <number10> ah ok, not sure if jonsowman or Randomskk are around
[09:12] <radim_> jcoxon - so I have to select 5th scout ?
[09:12] <number10> for daveakes flight later yes
[09:12] <number10> about 12:30 -ish
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[09:13] <jcoxon> radim_, for the first flight at 1000 select Mondo
[09:14] <radim_> uhm, I can't see it, no idea, where to find test docs, sorry
[09:16] <jcoxon> oops
[09:16] <jcoxon> refresh spacenear.us
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[09:16] <jcoxon> radim_, so if you go to DL Client
[09:16] <jcoxon> then Configure
[09:16] <jcoxon> and the Radio Auto Configure tab
[09:16] <jcoxon> there is a check box for "Test Docs"
[09:17] <M1ELR> Good Morning all, can anyone tell me freq for Mondo-3?
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[09:18] <number10> 434.375
[09:18] <radim_> thanks jcoxon
[09:18] <M1ELR> Thanks number10!
[09:18] <griffonbot> Received email: mclane "[UKHAS] First flight successfull"
[09:22] <jcoxon> launch
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[09:24] <UpuEs> hola
[09:25] <UpuEs> What's Micks balloon ?
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[09:26] <Elmar_PD3EM> good morning!
[09:26] <eroomde> so i'm just reading some lecture notes on a bit of maths i'm interested in. very formal but well written by a professor called david tong, it's more or less a book. anyway, on page 130, as i'm following some derivation, the next line is: "Wtf? That's very very strange."
[09:26] <eroomde> i'm glad that happens to actual maths professors too
[09:26] <jcoxon> hehe
[09:26] <M1ELR> Can't see Mondo in FLDIGI what is the payload name?
[09:26] <Elmar_PD3EM> there are only 4 flights left to choose from in dl-fldigi.....
[09:27] <jcoxon> no one has 'activated' the flight in dl-fldigi
[09:27] <jcoxon> you'll need to turn on the Test Docs
[09:27] <number10> i cant see that one jcoxon?
[09:27] <jcoxon> Dl-Client -> Configure -> Radio Auto Config tab -> Test docs
[09:28] <eroomde> also the lecturer said something daveake might like: "There are not stupid questions. Only stupid students"
[09:28] <jcoxon> then click refresh
[09:28] <jcoxon> and select Mondo-9 / Mondo-3
[09:28] <jcoxon> they are grouped
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[09:28] <M1ELR> Rgr got that now, Thanks
[09:29] <jcoxon> i'm trying to get it activated but don't know how
[09:29] <SamSilver_> could I have the video link please
[09:29] <Elmar_PD3EM> I think I need to update dl-fldigi first..... No Radio0 Auto Config tab and test docs
[09:29] <jcoxon> oh right
[09:29] <jcoxon> Elmar_PD3EM, then you should be able to just find it in the list
[09:30] <Elmar_PD3EM> jcoxon: the list have been updated and just 4 flights left in the list
[09:30] <Graham_G3VZV> change op mode to rtty hab and then you get perfect decodes but no server uploads $$MONDO-3,075,09:29:56,+5216.4851,-00004.1456,01289,02.4*7C
[09:31] <number10> dont seem to have a radio tab under dlclient config
[09:32] <radim_> same here, I went trough all configure tabs ;-(
[09:33] <jcoxon> which os?
[09:33] <radim_> mac
[09:35] <Elmar_PD3EM> v. 3.21.13 on win7
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[09:37] <jcoxon> what tabs do you have
[09:38] <jcoxon> i'm just grabbing an old version of dl-fldigi
[09:38] <number10> i am using older version as new one kept crashing 3.20.29
[09:38] <Elmar_PD3EM> I've Enable, Payload, GPS, Image, Remote
[09:38] <jcoxon> try payload
[09:39] <number10> its not on that tab
[09:39] <Elmar_PD3EM> if you have fields for me I can do it manually ;-)
[09:39] <junderwood> Had to set it up manually in old version
[09:40] Nick change: junderwood -> junderwood_M0JCU
[09:40] <number10> junderwood_M0JCU: is it 7n2 ?
[09:41] <junderwood_M0JCU> I have it set on 8n1.5
[09:41] <number10> ta
[09:42] <jcoxon> how frustrating
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[09:45] <jcoxon> sorry guts
[09:45] <jcoxon> guys*
[09:45] <jcoxon> need one of the habhub guys to activate the flight doc
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[09:46] <Elmar_PD3EM> Is the callsign field number 1 in the string (to set it up manually)?
[09:48] <number10_M0MDB> Elmar_PD3EM: I just loaded 5th scout then went to rtty and configured for n81.5 and it decodes
[09:49] <Elmar_PD3EM> thanks number10_M0MDB ! Now I'll have to wait untill the signal shows up on the waterfall
[09:49] <griffonbot> @daveake: At the launch site, sitting in the sunshine, waiting for the others to arrive. #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/daveake/status/229513887865790464]
[09:49] <number10_M0MDB> :)
[09:50] <SamSilver_> daveake: are you streming video today? if so could you send a link please
[09:50] <Elmar_PD3EM> number10_M0MDB: What is excact QRG?
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[09:51] <daveake> Depends .... not sure if we can get the car to the field or not. Didn't look like it but since then a tractor has mowed the path for us :)
[09:51] <number10_M0MDB> 434.369.56
[09:51] <number10_M0MDB> Elmar_PD3EM: ^
[09:52] <Elmar_PD3EM> Thanks number10_M0MDB
[09:52] <daveake> Link is http://www.batc.tv/streams/m0upu
[09:52] <daveake> That's for the video from the launch site; I'm not doing SSDV this time
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[09:53] <SamSilver_> thanx daveake
[09:55] <jcoxon> in prep for the next flight
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[09:55] <jcoxon> are both Buzz and 5thScout selectable ?
[09:55] <jcoxon> they are on the latest version of dl-fldigi
[09:55] <daveake> Yep
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[09:55] <jcoxon> how about on older versions?
[09:56] <daveake> Yes, worked for me
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[09:56] <fsphil> hey all, just joined - any launched?
[09:56] <daveake> The shift needs manually setting after
[09:56] <daveake> Mondo is up
[09:56] <jcoxon> oooh fsphil can you activate a paylaod on habitat?
[09:56] <jm_> 'Morning all. Firing the rig up in 5 mins
[09:56] <fsphil> jcoxon: , possibly, let me see if I can connect to kraken
[09:56] <fsphil> the internet is a bit slow on the island
[09:56] <jm_> G1WMK
[09:58] <fsphil> which payload jcoxon?
[09:58] <jcoxon> mondo-3
[09:58] <number10_M0MDB> also buzz for later
[09:58] <jcoxon> oh DanielRichman is on the case
[09:58] <jcoxon> okay can people now select mondo-3
[09:58] <jcoxon> will need to refresh
[09:58] <fsphil> gotcha
[09:59] <number10_M0MDB> yep the payloads are there
[09:59] <fsphil> I konly just got onto kraken
[09:59] <Graham_G3VZV> modulation has gone nasty
[10:00] <fsphil> I only just got connected
[10:00] <jcoxon> if people are tracking manually could they reselect Mondo-3
[10:00] <jcoxon> so the data gets uploaded
[10:00] <fsphil> speeling :)
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[10:01] <Graham_G3VZV> sorry - i can still only see 4 missions
[10:01] <number10_M0MDB> starange - just refreshed payload list and now the list is short again
[10:01] <jcoxon> hold on...
[10:02] <jcoxon> now try
[10:02] <fsphil> hmm..8150m, that right?
[10:02] <Elmar_PD3EM> all are back ;-)
[10:02] <number10_M0MDB> yep better
[10:02] <Elmar_PD3EM> thanks!
[10:03] <radim_> well done :-)
[10:03] <fsphil> I'm so lagged
[10:03] <daveake> that cold outside?
[10:04] <fsphil> actually really nice today
[10:04] <fsphil> sun's out
[10:04] <Graham_G3VZV> thanks James, shift around 340Hz
[10:04] <fsphil> wind is down
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[10:05] <M1ELR> Still no MOndo in my list !!
[10:06] <fsphil> with a good enough yagi I could probably get connected to my home wifi, you can see the town from the island
[10:06] <jcoxon> M1ELR, start from the beginning!
[10:06] <M1ELR> I have restarted but no Mondo
[10:06] <fsphil> bbl
[10:06] <jcoxon> M1ELR, have you refreshed the flight docs
[10:06] <jcoxon> ?
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[10:07] <Graham_G3VZV> go to dl client and hit refresh payload data tab
[10:07] <M1ELR> I have hit "refresh" on dl-client> radio auto config.
[10:08] <jcoxon> oh so you using new version
[10:08] <M1ELR> I used it for SSDV the other week.
[10:09] <jcoxon> oh i see
[10:09] <jcoxon> i'm on the case
[10:09] <jcoxon> did you select test docs?
[10:10] <M1ELR> I did earlier but not now.
[10:10] <jcoxon> oh try now
[10:10] <jcoxon> its down there
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[10:10] <jcoxon> this will get easier
[10:10] <jcoxon> lots of of work on the server etc
[10:10] <M1ELR> I see it on "show test docs" is that ok to use?
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[10:11] <jcoxon> yeah
[10:11] <jcoxon> perfect
[10:11] <M1ELR> OK thanks..
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[10:14] <M1ELR> do I need to change any shift setting, RTTY lines are not lining up
[10:14] <jcoxon> M1ELR, often there is a slight drift
[10:14] <jcoxon> due to temp etc
[10:14] <NickB1> dial on mondo ?
[10:14] <jcoxon> so you might need to
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[10:15] <jcoxon> M1ELR, thats in the modem tab in Configure
[10:15] <G0MJW> GM all
[10:15] <M1ELR> drift not a problem, distance between lines on fldigi is wrong.
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[10:16] <jcoxon> oh i mean shift
[10:16] <jcoxon> the shift will reduce
[10:16] <jcoxon> so you might need to manually change it
[10:17] <G0MJW> I am hearing it, had to reconfigure to 8 bits, auto didn't seem to want to work.
[10:17] <M1ELR> looks better at carrier shift 240
[10:17] <G0MJW> 300Hz shift.
[10:18] <M1ELR> great 300Hz looks fine, thanks
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[10:21] <G0MJW> James - is there a new Beta?
[10:21] <number10_M0MDB> 434.367.34 NickB1
[10:22] <G0MJW> Getting data but not uploading and not filling the boxes. Assume I need a different / later version than 3.21.43
[10:23] <jcoxon> no new beta currently
[10:23] <NickB1> thx!
[10:23] <G0MJW> Must be configured wrongly then
[10:23] <jcoxon> G0MJW, if you go to Dl client -> Configure
[10:24] <jcoxon> is their an radio auto config?
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[10:24] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm.... Which payload config?
[10:24] <G0MJW> http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/ssdv/data.php
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[10:25] <jcoxon> LazyLeopard, its Mondo-3
[10:25] <jonsowman> number10_M0MDB: hello
[10:26] <jcoxon> G0MJW, not sure what you mean by that link
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[10:26] <number10_M0MDB> hi - jonsowman we were having probs with payload data earlier - I think its all fixed now
[10:26] <jonsowman> okay cool
[10:26] <G0MJW> It is the upload link
[10:26] <jonsowman> :)
[10:27] <jcoxon> oh thats for ssdv
[10:27] <jcoxon> no ssdv today
[10:27] <Graham_G3VZV> odd the redlines look right at 300hz shift but best decode seems to be with 330hz shift?
[10:27] <G0MJW> Ah - so where then?
[10:27] <jcoxon> how many tabs do you see if you go Dl client -> configure
[10:28] <G0MJW> 8
[10:28] <jcoxon> i mean the lower set
[10:28] <jcoxon> 3 or 5
[10:28] <G0MJW> 3
[10:28] <jcoxon> okay go to the Radio Auto Config one
[10:28] <LazyLeopard> For some inexplicable reason I don't have Mondo in the list...
[10:28] <jcoxon> and select test docs
[10:29] <G0MJW> And.?
[10:29] <jcoxon> now you can select mondo
[10:29] <jcoxon> its a bit further down the list
[10:30] <LazyLeopard> ...and I have tried to refresh several times. 5thSCOUT is showing, but not Mondo
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[10:30] <G0MJW> Mondo-9
[10:30] <jcoxon> yeah thats fine
[10:30] <jcoxon> they are grouped together
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[10:30] <SP9UOB> hi all
[10:31] <G0MJW> But what is te pload URL?
[10:31] <jcoxon> if you select the Enable url
[10:32] <jcoxon> the habitat box should show the couch URL as habitat.habhub.org
[10:32] <LazyLeopard> Ah. Unselected "see all" option there...
[10:32] <jcoxon> you don't need the ssdv upload url
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[10:33] <G0MJW> OK - I get it, It was right but it wasn't uploading.
[10:33] <G0MJW> Still isn't
[10:34] <LazyLeopard> Signal is very very very faint here...
[10:35] <jcoxon> G0MJW, so you are getting green decodes
[10:35] <LazyLeopard> Shift 270, decoding about one character in ten on a good line...
[10:36] <LazyLeopard> So faint I wonder whether I'm on the right frequency...
[10:36] <G0MJW> Yes James - meanwhile...
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[10:39] <griffonbot> @daveake: Live video streaming from the launch site now on at http://t.co/tTXx34ik. Should start getting ready in a few minutes. #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/daveake/status/229526625581158400]
[10:39] <SamSilver_> there is video on > http://www.batc.tv/ch_live.php?id=768
[10:40] <daveake> Exciting isn't it? :p
[10:40] <SamSilver_> yip
[10:40] <SamSilver_> till we get an eye-full of plumbers crack
[10:40] Action: daveake adjusts himself
[10:41] <SamSilver_> for the better I hope
[10:41] <daveake> no comment :)
[10:41] <SamSilver_> suspenders in the post
[10:41] <daveake> Could have launched in the time I've been waiting :)
[10:42] <SamSilver_> tear any punctual badges any of the scouts might be wearing
[10:42] <daveake> lol
[10:42] <daveake> Now, do I trust them to tie the knots? :)
[10:43] <LazyLeopard> Is the signal on Mondo very weak?
[10:44] <G0MJW> Tried restarting fl-digi
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[10:46] <G0MJW> No - mondo is very strong here - but it depands on where you are.
[10:46] <radim_> what is MONDO-3 QRG currently please ? I'm trying DX reception
[10:46] <G0MJW> 434.366666
[10:46] <jcoxon> G0MJW, it looks like you've found a bug
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[10:47] <G0MJW> Ha - good at that.
[10:47] <DanielRichman> G0MJW: did you build dl-fldigi from source?
[10:47] <radim_> TNX
[10:47] <DanielRichman> or download an installer
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[10:47] <G0MJW> No - I used a binary.
[10:47] <G0MJW> installer - yes.
[10:48] <G0MJW> Firewall issue?
[10:48] <colin__> Hmm.. I've got a signal on 434.365 - but it won't decode - what are the params please?
[10:48] <number10_M0MDB> two days a go I had to re-install fldigi as wouldnt upload when I replayed sound file jcoxon - I went back to older version as it had done that a few times
[10:48] Nick change: colin__ -> Colin-G8TMV
[10:48] <G0MJW> 50 baud, 8 bits 280 Hz shift RTTY, ascii
[10:48] <Randomskk> G0MJW: no, you're uploading data fine
[10:48] <Randomskk> but MONDO is pausing after count and before time
[10:48] <Randomskk> and right now dl-fldigi is interpreting that pause as a NULL byte
[10:49] <Randomskk> which it has to do to parse SSDV properly but shouldn't really do for RTTY
[10:49] <Randomskk> older dl-fldigi does not insert those NULL bytes, so that's working
[10:49] <Colin-G8TMV> Ah, thats better it was set to 7-bit for some reason
[10:49] <Randomskk> and previous payloads haven't paused in the middle of transmission
[10:49] <jcoxon> soon we will release the new dl-fldigi
[10:49] Nick change: radim_ -> radim_OM2AMR
[10:50] <jcoxon> and get everyone to upload
[10:50] <jcoxon> upgrade* not upload
[10:50] <jcoxon> radim_OM2AMR, good luck!
[10:51] <jcoxon> might get a distance record
[10:51] <G0MJW> Everyone uploading bteas bound to cause Chaos.
[10:51] <G0MJW> betas
[10:51] <jcoxon> G0MJW, we'll stop all that
[10:51] <radim_OM2AMR> thanks jcoxon :-)
[10:53] <LazyLeopard> Right. I need to check my antenna, then...
[10:53] <LazyLeopard> What's the dial setting at present?
[10:54] <G0MJW> trying an earlier version of dl-fldigi
[10:54] <G0MJW> Hah! That worked.
[10:54] <jcoxon> yeah the bug is in hte new versions
[10:55] <DanielRichman> G0MJW: excellent; that should work for now. I was about start trying to compile a fixed newer version, but it sounds like you're ok?
[10:55] <DanielRichman> sorry about that
[10:55] <G0MJW> The old version gets the bearing wrong and no elevation info - by the way are you going to include antenna control?
[10:56] <G0MJW> IT is fine for now. Find that other bug first.
[10:56] <LazyLeopard> Mondo frequency at present, please?
[10:56] <navrac> poor signal here - it should be really strong - must have an antenna fault
[10:56] <DanielRichman> antenna control probably won't make it into the next release
[10:56] <LazyLeopard> navrac: Same here...
[10:56] <DanielRichman> the calculations are there though so i guess it wouldn't be too hard to add
[10:57] <G0MJW> Hamlib.
[10:57] <number10_M0MDB> LazyLeopard: 434.366.33
[10:57] <Elmar_PD3EM> ahhh... antenna control..... another reason to buy a Yaesu G-5500 plus some beams ;-)
[10:57] <craag> No sign at all of mondo here in southampton.
[10:58] <LazyLeopard> Thanks. And sift is about 260-ish?
[10:58] <LazyLeopard> shift, even?
[10:58] <number10_M0MDB> yes about that LazyLeopard
[10:59] <LazyLeopard> I can just about see RTTY above the noise, almost...
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[11:00] <navrac> I'm getting good strings - each with just one corruption - but no sign of local qrm
[11:00] <LazyLeopard> Which, geven it's only a bit north of Ely, is a lot weaker than I'd have expected...
[11:01] <number10_M0MDB> last time out micheal (modow) was using an experimental transmitter - may be he still is navrac
[11:01] <number10_M0MDB> mondo
[11:01] <Colin-G8TMV> I was getting some good data here in Cambridge, but always with bad checksums, now it's gone completely into garbage
[11:02] Nick change: LazyLeopard -> LazyL-M0LEP
[11:02] <number10_M0MDB> gone dead
[11:02] <SamSilver_> how can i see the predicted landing spot for MONDO-3 on spacenear.us ?
[11:02] <navrac> and back
[11:02] <number10_M0MDB> now back
[11:02] <number10_M0MDB> daveakes just like a scool teacher there
[11:03] <number10_M0MDB> +h
[11:04] <Colin-G8TMV> Hmm.. it sounds really unhappy
[11:05] <SamSilver_> mondo pop
[11:06] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[11:06] <jcoxon> hopefully the next flight will be easier to track
[11:07] <navrac> yep looks like its on the way down
[11:07] <SamSilver_> jcoxon: any way to see mondo predicted landing spot?
[11:09] <G0MJW> Wibbly wobbly atm
[11:09] <jcoxon> SamSilver_ on the case
[11:10] <SamSilver_> thanx jcoxon
[11:11] <G0MJW> Just jumped n freq
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[11:11] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[11:11] <Lunar_Lander> water landing imminent?
[11:12] <G0MJW> King's Lynn I would say
[11:13] <SamSilver_> Lunar_Lander: we prefer the term "salty landing"
[11:13] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[11:13] <Lunar_Lander> prediction is there
[11:13] <navrac> widening the filters to cope with the weird frequency shift help a lot with the decoding
[11:13] <SamSilver_> thw "w" word and the "T" word are not used much on this forum
[11:13] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[11:14] <navrac> its a tad 'coastal' one migh say
[11:14] <SamSilver_> well put navrac
[11:14] <jcoxon> predictions are being weird
[11:15] <LazyL-M0LEP> Descent is a bit on the slow side?
[11:15] <G0MJW> Variable - probably just bad data
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[11:17] <G0MJW> Wherever it lands it does not appear to be anywhere near Dave.
[11:17] <Lunar_Lander> does anybody know what the balloon carries?
[11:17] <Lunar_Lander> i.e. what computer and so on
[11:18] <jcoxon> i think its a picaxe
[11:18] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[11:18] <Lunar_Lander> and cameras?
[11:20] <Lunar_Lander> hello mclane
[11:20] <Lunar_Lander> if you are here
[11:21] <Lunar_Lander> congratulations for your flight
[11:22] <G0MJW> Hope it does not land on anyone's head likeTrotsky.
[11:23] <Lunar_Lander> what do you think about the guy on the mailing list who proposed a technical barrier?
[11:23] <Lunar_Lander> he thought that a balloon might land in a military base
[11:23] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander, certainly could happen
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[11:24] <jcoxon> i think people should research what they are doing
[11:24] <jcoxon> so a technical barrier isn't too bad
[11:24] <fsphil-laptop> missed mondo
[11:24] <jcoxon> also there isn't a barrier if you use hte gps/gsm route
[11:24] <G0MJW> I can imagine the Daily Mail "Amateur terroists drop picaxes on army
[11:25] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[11:25] <navrac> yep thats the problem - if you want to do it there isnt really a technical barrier at all
[11:25] <number10_M0MDB> I think its a good idea that every one makes their own tracker and writes the software for it - theres no problems with looking a snippets of other peoples code
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[11:25] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[11:25] <Lunar_Lander> like I do
[11:25] <Lunar_Lander> hello daveake
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[11:26] <fsphil-laptop> is there an eta for buzz?
[11:26] <fsphil-laptop> or etl I suppose
[11:26] <navrac> maybe if we start spreading rumours that zinc carbon batteries are the best for high altitude then it would at least make it harder for some
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[11:26] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[11:27] <G0MJW> Lead acid...
[11:27] <Lunar_Lander> I discovered a problem with the arduino tutorials of jeremy blum though
[11:27] <Lunar_Lander> when I was sitting on my bed about 3 m away from my screen I couldn't read the code
[11:27] <SamSilver_> navrac: zinc carbon helps keep the budget below $150.00 / launch
[11:27] <Lunar_Lander> even in fullscreen and 720p mode
[11:28] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[11:28] <Lunar_Lander> when you zoom in on that bay you see on the tracker you see all those names like "Stubborn Sand"
[11:29] <Lunar_Lander> what are these?
[11:29] <G0MJW> Mondo is really drifting now!
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[11:29] <Lunar_Lander> are these some sort of island?
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[11:30] <G0MJW> Docking - yes. Recalimed land
[11:30] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[11:30] <G0MJW> Reclaimed.
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[11:33] <jcoxon> going towards sandringham
[11:33] <G0MJW> Getting weak here
[11:33] <Lunar_Lander> 2000 m to go
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[11:34] <G0MJW> Lost it at 1900
[11:35] <Lunar_Lander> BUZZ is on the map
[11:36] <jcoxon> a lake...
[11:36] <fsphil-laptop> please do not adjust your set
[11:40] <G0MJW> Not hearing BUZZ unsurprisingly as it is still on the ground
[11:42] <Gadget-Mac> Hi Guys
[11:43] <fsphil-laptop> huge amount of noise here below 200mhz
[11:43] <fsphil-laptop> I thought the island would have been quieter
[11:43] <number10_M0MDB> what island are you on fsphil-laptop
[11:44] <fsphil-laptop> coney island
[11:44] <fsphil-laptop> the guys are on HF atm
[11:45] <number10_M0MDB> what freq?
[11:46] <fsphil-laptop> something in 17m I think
[11:47] <fsphil-laptop> "surfing" was the answer :)
[11:48] <fsphil-laptop> it's great to hear HF without all the noise I get at home
[11:49] <number10_M0MDB> did you contact the olympic station?
[11:49] <fsphil-laptop> they managed the one in wales and london
[11:49] <fsphil-laptop> good callsign that
[11:49] <Darkside> fsphil-laptop: you're where?
[11:50] <fsphil-laptop> 2O12W
[11:50] <number10_M0MDB> L
[11:50] <fsphil-laptop> Coney Island Darkside
[11:50] <fsphil-laptop> and island within an island
[11:50] <fsphil-laptop> we heard tazmania last night but couldn't get through
[11:51] <Darkside> coney island?
[11:51] <Darkside> wht
[11:52] <Darkside> hmm
[11:52] <fsphil-laptop> there's probably more than one
[11:52] <Darkside> looks like 17m would be ok to australia atm
[11:52] <number10_M0MDB> https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&client=firefox-a&q=coney+island+northern+ireland+google+maps&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x4860f3fee876b5f7:0x4d7eebc0d2073684,Coney+Island&gl=uk&ei=LCIVUKSFAeGm0QX4mYGwDA&ved=0CAYQ8gEwAA
[11:52] <Darkside> i wonder if i should get otuside and set up a vertical
[11:52] <fsphil-laptop> you near an HF rig?
[11:52] <Darkside> yeah
[11:52] <Darkside> i can go outside and rig up something
[11:52] <Darkside> what setup do the people you're near have?
[11:53] <fsphil-laptop> vertical antenna and an icom of some sort
[11:53] <Darkside> ahh
[11:53] <fsphil-laptop> antenna is a comet
[11:53] <Darkside> will probably need a yagi to get through
[11:53] <fsphil-laptop> nice beefy battery
[11:53] <Darkside> have they heard much from australa?
[11:53] <Darkside> might be able to get through on PSK31
[11:53] <fsphil-laptop> just the tazmania station last night
[11:54] <Darkside> mm ok
[11:54] <Darkside> unlikely then
[11:54] <Darkside> not wiht my setup
[11:54] <Darkside> if i had a yagi, then sure
[11:55] <fsphil-laptop> there's a good chance that station last night did
[11:55] <fsphil-laptop> was coming in really nicely
[11:55] <Darkside> yeah
[11:55] <Darkside> at best i'd have a vertical
[11:56] <fsphil-laptop> I'll fire up psk31 when I get home
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[12:08] <SP9UOB> fsphil-laptop: are You on HF now ?
[12:13] <jcoxon> final position for mondo updated
[12:13] <LazyL-M0LEP> Recovered yet?
[12:14] <LazyL-M0LEP> Low Mondo signal here doesn't appear to have been an antenna problem.
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[12:15] <G0MJW> Chucking it down here.
[12:15] <LazyL-M0LEP> And here. Hail and thunder
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[12:18] <G0MJW> The balloon is up
[12:19] <G0MJW> they will be launching soon I think
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[12:20] <number10_M0MDB> chucking it down here - hopefully no thunder with antennas up
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[12:21] <SamSilver_> thunder does not affect my antenna much the bright flash just before the thunder tends to make a mess of a few bits of equipment
[12:21] <number10_M0MDB> lol
[12:24] <Colin-G8TMV> Hmm... I just got dl-fldigi to redownload the list of payloads from the server and there are only 4 in the list and Buzz is not one of them!
[12:25] <number10_M0MDB> we were having problems this morning - have you refreshed payload listy Colin-G8TMV ?
[12:25] <Colin-G8TMV> That's what I just tried
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[12:26] <LazyL-M0LEP> Check download site, refresh payload list, use the view all option, and make sure the 'show all' option is checked...
[12:26] <Colin-G8TMV> config -> DL-Client -> Payload and press "Redownload" right?
[12:26] <LazyL-M0LEP> Latest version of dl-fldigi ?
[12:27] <Colin-G8TMV> nope, it's an older version
[12:27] <G0DJA> Will 5thscout or Buzz be next, or together?
[12:27] <Colin-G8TMV> but it worked earlier this morning
[12:28] <fsphil> any word on the launch?
[12:28] <Colin-G8TMV> Ah, closed program, re-started it and it's now ok, Bl***y Windoze
[12:28] <number10_M0MDB> just weighing neck lift fsphil
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[12:29] <number10_M0MDB> or daveake is having a picnick - cant really tell from the video fsphil
[12:29] <G0DJA> Noy hearing anything on 434.200
[12:29] <G0DJA> Not
[12:29] <number10_M0MDB> -k
[12:30] <fsphil> picnicks are good
[12:30] <Colin-G8TMV> dial freq for Buzz anyone?
[12:31] <number10_M0MDB> looks like mondo-3 maybe recovered or about to as there was an update on telemetry - to 17m
[12:32] <daveake> lol #10
[12:32] <daveake> About to launch
[12:32] <number10_M0MDB> :)
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[12:33] <MrScienc1Man> divers on standby
[12:35] <G0DJA> bothing on 434.300 here either
[12:36] <LazyL-M0LEP> At 17m there, it's probably up a tall tree. ;)
[12:36] <Lunar_Lander> XD on the radio they have "Sailing" by Rod Stewart
[12:37] <Laurenceb_> hucknall eh
[12:37] <SamSilver_> dave has the balloon by the string
[12:37] <Morseman> Or the music for the shipping forecast (Sailing by) ?
[12:37] <daveake> oop
[12:37] <SamSilver_> buzz up
[12:37] <number10_M0MDB> daveake: dial?
[12:37] <SamSilver_> on it's way
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[12:38] <daveake> 434.197. on 5th
[12:38] <number10_M0MDB> ta
[12:38] <Colin-G8TMV> and Buzz?
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[12:39] <Morseman> Getting 5thscout but FL-digi not recognising it
[12:39] <Morseman> 434.19909
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[12:41] <fsphil> all 50 baud?
[12:42] <G4DPZ> got scout
[12:42] <Colin-G8TMV> shift?
[12:42] <number10_M0MDB> yes fsphil
[12:43] <Morseman> Shit 425 here but had to set it as default was 500
[12:43] <SamSilver_> daveake: buzz is getting alti a bit wrong
[12:43] <Morseman> Shift !!
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[12:43] <Morseman> Wasn't hearing Buzz
[12:43] <griffonbot> Received email: PhilipM "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Scout Sunday"
[12:44] <number10_M0MDB> about 480
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[12:45] <Colin-G8TMV> Ok, I've got scout too - but not decoding yet
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[12:46] <G0MJW> I have scout decoding but it is a bit weak
[12:46] <G4DPZ> decoding
[12:46] <radim_OM2AMR> qrg please
[12:46] <daveake> I started losing the start of scout so I've switched to Buzz
[12:46] <G0MJW> And not really stable which means it is missing the 1st character.
[12:46] <Morseman> AH! if not the double $ then doesn't recocognise string
[12:46] <number10_M0MDB> the frequency rises oin the pauses
[12:47] <G4DPZ> 434.198.8
[12:47] <radim_OM2AMR> tnx
[12:47] <G0MJW> Had to increase t o100Hz. Mught try 150Hz
[12:48] <LazyL-M0LEP> BUZZ on 434.295.6 coming through but not clean yet...
[12:49] <Morseman> Scout settling down a bit now
[12:49] <Colin-G8TMV> I'm getting good decodes from scout - but only by tweaking the freq for each string
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[12:49] <G4DPZ> getting thSCOUT as start of packet
[12:49] <radim_OM2AMR> are using USB or LSB please ?
[12:49] <Lunar_Lander> back
[12:49] <LazyL-M0LEP> Autotracking FTW ;)
[12:50] <Lunar_Lander> hello radim_OM2AMR !
[12:50] <G4DPZ> mising the first byte
[12:50] <LazyL-M0LEP> BUZZ has done some interesting drifting. )
[12:50] <radim_OM2AMR> hello Lunar_Lander :-) I'm trying DX reception :-)
[12:51] <Lunar_Lander> cool! :)
[12:51] <number10_M0MDB> I have auto track on - but it drifts quite a bit between the last character and the first
[12:51] <Lunar_Lander> I waited for the Vienna sonde at 11:40 pm but it didn't appear on your map :(
[12:51] <LazyL-M0LEP> BUZZ now at 434.296.05 on dial
[12:52] <LazyL-M0LEP> Another jump. BUZZ now at 434.296.50 on dial
[12:52] <fsphil> someone operating upu's station?
[12:53] <Darkside> hrm
[12:53] <Darkside> no
[12:53] <Darkside> i'll do it
[12:53] <radim_OM2AMR> Lunar_Lander - it's there now ;-) please check
[12:53] <Lunar_Lander> OK, one moment
[12:54] <Colin-G8TMV> I've shifted to BUZZ - much better copy and decodes
[12:55] <daveake> Interesting. In theory 5thScout *should* be stronger
[12:55] <number10_M0MDB> auto track cant sem to cope with start for frame - misses the $$5
[12:55] <daveake> Running different powers
[12:55] <daveake> On 5th? I got that too
[12:55] <Lunar_Lander> radim_OM2AMR, yeah I can see Vienna and also a station in north-eastern Slovakia
[12:55] <number10_M0MDB> this is same problem I had when upu last launched it daveake
[12:55] <Lunar_Lander> the Vienna probe just burst I think
[12:56] <radim_OM2AMR> yes, Vienna is after burst
[12:56] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[12:56] <Lunar_Lander> and the other station is Poprad?
[12:56] <Morseman> On Scout the drift up on single tone means the 1st $ is missing and checksum fails
[12:57] <daveake> Yeah, I got that
[12:57] <daveake> Was fine on the ground
[12:57] <daveake> Obviously then it wasn't drifting :)
[12:57] <Morseman> Changed to Buzz and the lack of 'down time' means tracking keeps up here
[12:57] <fsphil> we should make dl-fldigi aassume the $$
[12:57] <daveake> It's running more power and I think it switches down to a lower power during the gap between sentences
[12:58] <Morseman> Or add a couple of redundant $ to allow it to catch up?
[12:58] <number10_M0MDB> well its missing the first $$5
[12:58] <fsphil> that too
[12:58] <daveake> yeah. Speak to Upu - it's his tracker and his code :)
[12:58] <Morseman> Try watching the line on the drift and clicking slightly ahead just before the 1st characters
[12:58] <number10_M0MDB> unless I place the cursor dead on at the start for frame
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[12:59] <number10_M0MDB> manually repositioning on each frame is a pain
[12:59] <daveake> yup
[12:59] <Colin-G8TMV> Hmm.. If I try to use Hamlib for the cat interface to my 817 the decodes turn to mush (and recover when I disable Hamlib)
[12:59] <number10_M0MDB> adding a few mor $$$$ to that tracker would help
[12:59] <fsphil> using the club's 70cm antenna
[13:01] <Morseman> number10_M0MDB that's why I swapped to BUZZ and looks like alot of other trackers have as well
[13:01] <number10_M0MDB> Morseman: - I am tracking both - or was trying to :(
[13:01] <Morseman> I didn't get round to setting 2nd system up in time
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[13:03] <daveake> so long as we get one of them it's ok :)
[13:03] <daveake> the drift will hopefully reduce later
[13:03] <Morseman> If I turn the audio capture on it seems to get confused and not decode properly for a while as well
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[13:04] <fsphil> what frequency is buzz?
[13:05] <Colin-G8TMV> 434.297.8
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[13:07] <fsphil> nothing yet
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[13:10] <Colin-G8TMV> fsphil: dial now 434.298
[13:10] <Morseman> cant find you on trackers page fsphil
[13:10] <fsphil> there now
[13:10] <Morseman> 434.298.63 here
[13:11] <fsphil> horizon is coming up fast
[13:11] <Colin-G8TMV> Morseman: it depends where you have the audio centered - I've got it at about 2kH
[13:11] <Morseman> centered 1331hz here
[13:11] <fsphil> only problem with running a laptop of a lead acid is I don't know how much capacity is left
[13:12] <Morseman> Find running slightly HF of 1kHz centre best for me
[13:12] <Lunar_Lander> radim_OM2AMR, Poprad balloon burst too
[13:13] <daveake> I so hate seeing the word "burst" on IRC when I'm flying :p
[13:13] <zyp> fsphil, I would imagine the largest problem would be the size and weight of the battery :p
[13:14] <daveake> (unless it's heading for the sea, again)
[13:14] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[13:14] <radim_OM2AMR> Lunar_Lander, wait for a while :-)
[13:14] <LazyL-M0LEP> Hmmm.... Mis-read callsign "7thSMUT" ;)
[13:14] <Colin-G8TMV> Hmm.. someone got the URL for the trackers stats page please
[13:15] <number10_M0MDB> http://habitat.habhub.org/stats/ Colin-G8TMV
[13:15] <Colin-G8TMV> ta
[13:16] <number10_M0MDB> allthough buzz is not there
[13:17] <Colin-G8TMV> it's lumped in the the scouts one
[13:17] <number10_M0MDB> very likely
[13:17] <Colin-G8TMV> it is, I'm tracking buzz and my count on 5th scouts is going up
[13:18] <daveake> 7thSMUT lol
[13:18] <daveake> That'll get the paranoid parents complaining
[13:18] <Lunar_Lander> ?
[13:18] <Randomskk> $$PENIS
[13:18] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[13:18] <Colin-G8TMV> better than 69thSMUT
[13:19] <daveake> Surprised ANU never managed the obvious one
[13:19] <LazyL-M0LEP> Luckily lines like that won't get uploaded. ;)
[13:19] <Lunar_Lander> ROFL
[13:20] <LazyL-M0LEP> Hmmm... 5thSCOUT is way quieter than BUZZ...
[13:20] <daveake> Surprising since it's running 6dBm more
[13:20] <daveake> I blame Upu :D
[13:20] <radim_OM2AMR> dave, what is the TX power ?
[13:20] <number10_M0MDB> should have left it in the bushes daveake
[13:21] <daveake> Not as high as Upu thought, obviously ;)
[13:21] <number10_M0MDB> ;)
[13:21] <daveake> lol
[13:21] <daveake> Well disregarding losses Buzz is set to 8dBm
[13:21] Action: LazyL-M0LEP suspects, given the way the frequency drifts between lines, that something is on the limits...
[13:21] <daveake> PSU possibly - it's a switcher
[13:22] <daveake> Also, possibly, rfm22bs aren't all made alike
[13:22] <LazyL-M0LEP> Ah. 5thSCOUT is the payload you rescued from the wasshed out triffid field?
[13:23] <costyn> Elmar_PD3EM: you here?
[13:24] <daveake> yup
[13:25] <LazyL-M0LEP> Trying to remember how it behaved that day... Was it equally hard to decode?
[13:25] <number10_M0MDB> yes
[13:25] <WillDuckworth> yep
[13:27] <LazyL-M0LEP> Uh oh. Where did BUZZ go?
[13:27] <LazyL-M0LEP> faded clean away
[13:28] <daveake> Still rxing here
[13:28] <number10_M0MDB> still have it here
[13:28] <daveake> panic over :)
[13:28] <daveake> I'm sure Upu will welcome all feedback when he's finished sunning himself :)
[13:28] <LazyL-M0LEP> Hmmm... 5thSCOUT still just visible but not decodable...
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[13:30] <fsphil> I can see the signal now
[13:30] <fsphil> from buzz
[13:39] <M1ELR> Dave, your camera is focused on your windscreen.
[13:39] <eroomde> link to strea,?
[13:39] <M1ELR> http://www.batc.tv/ch_live.php
[13:40] <M1ELR> M0UPU feed
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[13:40] <eroomde> ta
[13:40] <number10_M0MDB> probably because of the rain on the sceen
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[13:41] <eroomde> m0UPU no at available option on the list 4 me
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[13:41] <DanielRichman> eroomde: go to the homepage and choose members' streams
[13:42] <number10_M0MDB> or try this http://www.batc.tv/ch_live.php?id=768 eroomde
[13:42] <eroomde> bingo ta
[13:43] <eroomde> fascinating...
[13:43] <M1ELR> Scarey!!
[13:43] <Laurenceb_> nice
[13:43] <Laurenceb_> this via 3G?
[13:43] <number10_M0MDB> and thats mysr daveake driving!
[13:43] <number10_M0MDB> mrs
[13:44] <Laurenceb_> impressive bandwidth
[13:44] <M1ELR> I guess thats what it would look like if I drove without my glasses.
[13:45] <Lunar_Lander> stream doesn't work
[13:45] <M1ELR> stream comes and goes,
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[13:51] Action: Colin-G8TMV gets the cat interface working using rigcat
[13:51] <Colin-G8TMV> Right - the Freq tracking parameters Min and Max waterfall freq - what do they really mean?
[13:52] <Colin-G8TMV> centre freq? or lowest/highest tone allowed tone freqs
[13:53] <Lunar_Lander> xD I just wrote "Knight Rider!" into the chat xD
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[13:55] <AlephHaz> i've been recommended to use a arduino nano for a high altitude photography project, but most of the ones i can find operate at 5V, what's the easiest way to get it down to 3.3?
[13:55] <Darkside> there are 3.3v ones available
[13:55] <Lunar_Lander> AlephHaz, check sparkfun.com
[13:55] <AlephHaz> on it
[13:56] <Gadget-Mac> Hmmm. Why are USB webcams all 5v :(
[13:56] <Darkside> because USB runs off 5V?
[13:56] <number10_M0MDB> cos usp power o/pis 5v
[13:56] <Lunar_Lander> AlephHaz, https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11114
[13:57] <Gadget-Mac> Well yes. But 3.3v would be nicer.
[13:57] <Lunar_Lander> it's Arduino Mini but afaik there isn't much difference between Nano and Mini
[13:57] <Darkside> yeah, nano is smaller but thats it
[13:57] <Darkside> oh wait
[13:57] <Darkside> thats the one i was thinking of
[13:57] <Darkside> lol
[13:57] <Darkside> whops
[13:57] <Darkside> whoops
[13:57] <Darkside> AlephHaz: thats the one you want!
[13:57] <AlephHaz> ah :)
[13:57] <AlephHaz> cheers!
[13:58] <Lunar_Lander> yeah but wait
[13:58] <Darkside> you may be able to find a local reseller too
[13:58] <Darkside> just remember it doesn't have a regulator on it
[13:58] <AlephHaz> i'll buy a few of them then
[13:58] <Lunar_Lander> you need a FTDI basic breakout too
[13:58] <Darkside> yeah
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[13:58] <Lunar_Lander> AlephHaz, https://www.sparkfun.com/distributors
[13:59] <Darkside> when youg et a FTDI basic adaptor to go with it, make sure you get the 3.3v version
[13:59] <Darkside> thought htey;re basically the same thingk just with a little bridge on the back
[13:59] <AlephHaz> ftdi allows an interface to some LiOn batteries i take it?
[13:59] <Lunar_Lander> AlephHaz, may I ask where you are from?
[13:59] <Lunar_Lander> AlephHaz, no it allows you to program the arduino via USB
[13:59] <AlephHaz> ah :p
[14:00] <AlephHaz> yeah i was thinking of the nano again, that had a miniusb connector
[14:00] <Darkside> yeah, this one doesn't have the usb to serial chp
[14:00] <Darkside> which is useless on a hab anyway
[14:00] <Darkside> so in this case, you have that separate
[14:01] <AlephHaz> what do you reckon would be the cheapest way to receive UHF radio, i'll be using an NTX2 transmitter
[14:01] <Lunar_Lander> AlephHaz, may I ask where you are from?
[14:01] <AlephHaz> UK, i'll be using an apporopriate frequency and probably end up launching from a dedicated site in Cambridgeshire
[14:01] <Darkside> cheapest is an RTL dongle, but they have't been proven in the field yet
[14:01] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[14:02] <AlephHaz> i assume that's why you were wondering :p
[14:03] <Darkside> i'd probably reccomend trying to get a secondhand scanner or something
[14:03] <Colin-G8TMV> Any DL-fldigi experts - the Freq tracking parameters Min and Max waterfall freq - what do they really mean?
[14:03] <Lunar_Lander> AlephHaz, I was just looking at the distributor list
[14:03] <Lunar_Lander> there are at least two Sparkfun distributors in the UK
[14:03] <Darkside> the key feature you're looking for is the ability to receive single-sideband on the 70cm band
[14:03] <Darkside> that is, LSB or USB on 434MHz
[14:04] <Darkside> many scanners do not do this
[14:04] <fsphil> good signal here at coney island
[14:05] <Colin-G8TMV> AlephHaz: look on Ebay for an ft790 - about 90 quid I think
[14:05] <fsphil> of course, just as I say that it fades
[14:06] <costyn> yay getting decodes
[14:06] <costyn> out of the back of my car (at in-laws)
[14:07] <number10_M0MDB> oh, nice undertaking manouver od the camper vane daveake
[14:08] <number10_M0MDB> of
[14:08] <costyn> is there a livestream? can't view it on 3G unfortunately
[14:08] <number10_M0MDB> yes
[14:09] <number10_M0MDB> batc.tv
[14:09] <AlephHaz> http://compare.ebay.co.uk/like/400206764292?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar&cbt=y
[14:09] <AlephHaz> oh wait
[14:09] <AlephHaz> software, bollocks
[14:10] <AlephHaz> but something like that i take it
[14:11] <Colin-G8TMV> AlephHaz: NO that is an FM only rig
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[14:16] <number10_M0MDB> something like this AlephHaz http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AOR-AR8200-MK2-AR-8200-MK2-WIDE-RANGE-RADIO-SCANNER-RECEIVER-530kHz-2040MHz-/271025522115?pt=UK_ConsumerElectronics_SpecialistRadioEquipment_SM&hash=item3f1a6145c3
[14:16] <Lunar_Lander> what balloon config did daveake use?
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[14:18] <Lunar_Lander> He or H2?
[14:18] <Darkside> He im pretty sure
[14:18] <number10_M0MDB> he
[14:18] <Darkside> no toasted scouts
[14:18] <costyn> Darkside: what gas do they produce?
[14:18] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[14:19] <costyn> interesting drift pattern going on
[14:19] <AlephHaz> why does it need to be AM as well? apparently the tramsmitter i'm using uses frequency based modulation, but then again i don't know a lot about radio :p
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[14:20] <Darkside> AlephHaz: it needs sideband demodulation support
[14:20] <Darkside> the outputted audio then goes into your computer, and dl-fldigi does the test
[14:21] <Darkside> the transmitter does use freuqency modulation, but at a very low rate, and not really in the same manner as what most scanners refer to as 'FM'
[14:21] <number10_M0MDB> basically AlephHaz the tracker transmits two frequencies for 1 and 0 that are an audible distance apart
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[14:24] <Lunar_Lander> it's ascending quite quick for Helium
[14:25] <Colin-G8TMV> burst?
[14:25] <number10_M0MDB> yep
[14:25] <costyn> ah good.. was having trouble gettind decodes, won't have to try any more now :)
[14:26] <Colin-G8TMV> I still can't make fldigi control my rig freq - it tracks ok in the waterfall but doesn't move the rig when it gets too close to one edge
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[14:28] <Randomskk> Colin-G8TMV: you can change the limits before it retunes the rig
[14:28] <Randomskk> in config
[14:30] <Colin-G8TMV> I've been trying that but what do the limit values actually mean? ie are they audio centre?
[14:32] <Randomskk> maybe
[14:32] <costyn> oh well... just getting garbage now
[14:33] <Colin-G8TMV> Randomskk: both my audio freqs in the waterfall are now above the high limit and it hasn't retuned the rig
[14:33] <Randomskk> hm
[14:34] <Randomskk> I think the plan is for a new version to include a slightly more fine-grained retuning
[14:34] <Randomskk> what OS are you on?
[14:34] <Colin-G8TMV> Win XP atm
[14:34] <Colin-G8TMV> the rigcat link is obviously working because I can retune the rig by clicking the freq digits
[14:35] <Randomskk> if you have python installed this might work https://gist.github.com/674384
[14:35] <Randomskk> (turn of dl-fldigi's retuning)
[14:35] <Randomskk> but I've never tried it on windows
[14:35] <Randomskk> off*
[14:35] <Colin-G8TMV> I'm sure it used to work
[14:37] <LazyL-M0LEP> There was an earlier version of dl-fldigi that got confused and gave up auto-tracking if you changed the frequency manually...
[14:37] <daveake> Hi all
[14:37] <number10_M0MDB> loo break?
[14:37] <daveake> Driver swap
[14:37] <daveake> Petrol
[14:37] <daveake> Loo
[14:37] <number10_M0MDB> :p
[14:37] <daveake> Got a postcode for the landin pred?
[14:38] <Lunar_Lander> daveake, what was the "CASH HERE" thing?
[14:38] <daveake> eh?
[14:38] <KT5TK> Bankomat in German
[14:38] <Lunar_Lander> on the livestream at the gas station was a silver box saying CASH HERE
[14:38] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
[14:38] <daveake> oh
[14:38] <daveake> lol
[14:39] <daveake> Yes ATM
[14:39] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[14:39] <number10_M0MDB> ah so that was you driving daveake - was getting worried that julie had picked up bad habits
[14:39] <daveake> I was driving quite slowly :)
[14:39] <Lunar_Lander> I wrote "Knight Rider" into the chat
[14:39] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[14:40] <number10_M0MDB> its was the nice manouver past the camper van that gave it away
[14:40] <daveake> ah
[14:40] <daveake> lol
[14:40] <KT5TK> It seems there is some problem with the mirror settings of the live stream.
[14:41] <KT5TK> All cars drive on the wrong side of the road
[14:41] <daveake> :)
[14:41] <Lunar_Lander> Knight Rider!
[14:42] <griffonbot> Received email: Ed Moore "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Scout Sunday"
[14:44] <Lunar_Lander> Knight Rider!
[14:44] <Colin-G8TMV> Hmm.. I just lost Buzz
[14:44] <Colin-G8TMV> Ah, it's back
[14:46] <G0MJW> Bit of a rant there Ed....
[14:47] <Darkside> hahhaa
[14:47] <Darkside> beautiful rant
[14:47] <daveake> Just change of plan here to get the right side of that forest
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[14:47] <Lunar_Lander> Knight Rider!
[14:48] <G0MJW> So true.
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[14:48] <number10_M0MDB> Lunar_Lander: why do you keep saying knight rider?
[14:48] Nick change: danielsaul -> Guest65168
[14:48] <Lunar_Lander> just because we see a driving car
[14:49] <daveake> other cars are available
[14:49] <griffonbot> Received email: steamfire@gmail.com "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Scout Sunday"
[14:49] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[14:53] <SamSilver_> I see Laughton ahead
[14:55] <griffonbot> Received email: Ed Moore "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Scout Sunday"
[14:57] <number10_M0MDB> dint shoot the messenger daveake DN10 4ER
[14:57] <Colin-G8TMV> I hope there are bridges over that river or Dave is going to be the wrong side of it
[14:57] <number10_M0MDB> dont
[14:57] <number10_M0MDB> other postcodes are available ;)
[14:58] <daveake> lol
[14:58] <daveake> Cheers
[14:58] <G0MJW> Would have been easier to come up teh motorway Dave.
[14:58] <daveake> Yeah I know
[14:58] <number10_M0MDB> thats was based on alt at 6867
[14:59] <LazyL-M0LEP> Ok. Lost signal here.
[15:00] <G0MJW> Still got it here but it is drifting downwards
[15:00] <Colin-G8TMV> still got it here too
[15:01] Nick change: Guest65168 -> M6DSA
[15:01] <G0MJW> Suffering QRM. unfortunately. 2977m is not bad from here.
[15:02] <Colin-G8TMV> looks like dave has missed his turnoff
[15:02] <G0MJW> Going going....
[15:03] <daveake> no just coming to
[15:03] Nick change: M6DSA -> danielsaul
[15:04] <G0MJW> No longer decoding.
[15:04] <Lunar_Lander> heading towards a river or so
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[15:04] <daveake> hmm that postcode is 1 mile away
[15:05] <daveake> Is that right?
[15:05] <daveake> Got a long/lat?
[15:05] <Colin-G8TMV> gone from here now
[15:05] <number10_M0MDB> doesnt look good daveake - just go with spacenear
[15:05] <number10_M0MDB> 53.4643 -0.8172 was last prediction - but I would go with your telemetry
[15:06] <G0MJW> Jus tuned to BUZZ but lost it immediately.
[15:06] <Colin-G8TMV> dave if the prediction is correct it will be east of the canal and there are no bridges that I can see
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[15:07] <daveake> hmmm
[15:07] <daveake> nice
[15:07] <Morseman> Just got back from swimming
[15:07] <KT5TK> Prediction is right at the canal, so you can't really tell
[15:07] <G0MJW> Seems to be a long piece of rope between them.
[15:07] <daveake> any locks?
[15:08] <M1ELR> Just got back on IRC, this recovery looks like its going to be fun.
[15:08] <G0MJW> There is an "East Ferry" but no "West Ferry"
[15:09] <Colin-G8TMV> looks like the nearest Bridge is back in Gainsborough
[15:09] <KT5TK> Closest bridge to the North is M180
[15:09] <G0MJW> And I don't think it is a canal...
[15:09] <Colin-G8TMV> daveake: no locks
[15:10] <Morseman> Freq dropping quite a bit now 434.297.97
[15:10] <SamSilver> buzz updated iot shows west side of water
[15:10] <G0MJW> This side?
[15:10] <KT5TK> Now prediction is west of canal
[15:10] <SamSilver> daveake: it looks like it is on your side
[15:11] <G0MJW> Scouts Swimming badge? Just in case?
[15:11] <SamSilver> stand by new update
[15:11] <Morseman> sigs gone here now
[15:11] <Morseman> 225 m chase car side of water
[15:12] <Colin-G8TMV> daveake: first right to get over the little river
[15:12] <KT5TK> Looks like it landed 53.46635,-0.79651
[15:12] <SamSilver> Altitude 155m a bit high for ground
[15:13] <Morseman> Those look like irrigation channels on map
[15:13] <Colin-G8TMV> more likely drainage ditches
[15:14] <daveake> Right we lost it during 87,15:10:29,53.46613,-0.79526,00100,24,112,14
[15:14] <KT5TK> Tall tree :)
[15:14] <daveake> nah
[15:14] <daveake> lost it quick
[15:14] <G0MJW> I would think it landed just by N Intake Lane
[15:14] <daveake> Netbook powered down as I was reading the position off the screen!
[15:15] <Morseman> Few trees round there KT5TK
[15:15] <Morseman> And it's flat land
[15:15] <daveake> check the video feed
[15:16] <Colin-G8TMV> someone got the uRL for the video?
[15:16] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.batc.tv/ch_live.php?id=768
[15:16] <daveake> 87,15:10:29,53.46613,-0.79526,00100,24,112,14
[15:16] <SamSilver> http://www.batc.tv/ch_live.php?id=768
[15:16] <Lunar_Lander> why does it say "Keep Off"?
[15:16] <G0MJW> What does the sign say?
[15:17] <M1ELR> its further on, isn't it?
[15:17] <daveake> says Stop littering stop dumping rubbish stop cutting down my trees stop demolishing my walls stop all rascist comments
[15:17] <daveake> I was born in England not Africa
[15:17] <SamSilver> near Gunthorpe road
[15:17] <G0MJW> Yes, 500m south, then 1k east
[15:17] <daveake> I have the birth right to be here
[15:17] <Colin-G8TMV> daveake: is the chase car position out of date?
[15:17] <daveake> You have been warned
[15:17] <daveake> I will serve time if I have to
[15:18] <M1ELR> if you don't get it back then you are littering.
[15:18] <daveake> car should be ok
[15:18] <daveake> rtty startoing to come in
[15:18] <G0MJW> Left
[15:19] <SamSilver> over ditch then left
[15:19] <Morseman> Watch out for that 11kV overhead line on the right!
[15:19] <Lunar_Lander> ohh
[15:19] <Colin-G8TMV> next left rather than turn round
[15:19] <daveake> ok
[15:19] <daveake> lost signal
[15:20] <daveake> was about to turn
[15:20] <Morseman> Would have thought Gunthorpe Rd was modt direct route?
[15:20] <G0MJW> 500m then right
[15:20] <Colin-G8TMV> then right at cross roads
[15:20] <daveake> ok
[15:21] <Morseman> Ah, they missed the turn. Sorry
[15:21] <Morseman> I thought the vid was Gunthorpe
[15:21] <Gadget-Mac> I want a webpage with TV feed, map and irc all in one :)
[15:22] <daveake> :)
[15:22] <Colin-G8TMV> it will be on that pylon ;)
[15:22] <G0MJW> Should be getting close now.
[15:22] <LazyL-M0LEP> Gives a whole new dimension to back-seat-driving. ;)
[15:22] <daveake> lol
[15:22] <G4DPZ> great streaming!
[15:23] <G0MJW> Nice clouds.
[15:23] <SamSilver> buzz last poss report 53.46635,-0.79651
[15:23] <G0MJW> Further surely?
[15:23] <daveake> ok on map
[15:23] <Colin-G8TMV> another 400m
[15:23] <SamSilver> yip a bit along
[15:23] <G0MJW> Next right.
[15:23] <Colin-G8TMV> ah it updated the position
[15:23] <number10_M0MDB> be able to get that from the road
[15:24] <Morseman> A bit further on when get to small road on right hand side I would guess
[15:24] <Colin-G8TMV> you might be able to reach it without getting out of the car
[15:24] Nick change: number10_M0MDB -> number10
[15:24] <SamSilver> NEW UPDATE buzz 53.46583,-0.79451
[15:24] <G0MJW> 400m then right 200m
[15:24] <SamSilver> Altitude 0m
[15:24] <Morseman> Hopefully right next to North Intake Lane
[15:24] <daveake> Yes, that's good :)
[15:25] <Morseman> Is the balloon white?
[15:25] <Morseman> Something on RH side
[15:25] <Morseman> No, gone past now
[15:26] <LazyL-M0LEP> Looked like a van in a field...
[15:26] <G0MJW> incoming
[15:27] <SamSilver> daveake: first right then 200m
[15:27] <daveake> Just bumped into the scouts
[15:27] <Lunar_Lander> XD car
[15:27] <Morseman> Who's the white van man?
[15:27] <number10> scouts i would say
[15:27] <daveake> Scouts
[15:28] <Colin-G8TMV> have they nicked it?
[15:28] <Morseman> Looks like they went past it then
[15:28] <SamSilver> Position: 53.46583,-0.79451 Altitude: 0 m
[15:28] <G0MJW> Maybe the have it.
[15:28] <daveake> nah just chatting
[15:28] <M1ELR> ther it goes inthe Jag
[15:28] <Lunar_Lander> xD another car
[15:29] <Morseman> Bit of a narror road for a 'chat'...
[15:29] <Morseman> narrow
[15:29] <KT5TK> Their kayak may become handy
[15:29] <M1ELR> big black clouds!
[15:29] <SamSilver> BUZZ just sent another update
[15:29] <SamSilver> Time: 2012-07-29 15:29:07 Position: 53.46583,-0.79451
[15:30] <Morseman> I wonder if they know they are being watched?
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[15:30] <SamSilver> Time: 2012-07-29 15:29:07 Position: 53.46583,-0.79451
[15:30] <G0MJW> They won't be able to turn round. Have to reverse
[15:30] <Morseman> Wonder why stopped there and not at Intake Road?
[15:31] <M1ELR> are we missing something, they are not near to map location.
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[15:32] <SamSilver> daveake: I have it as 450 m ahead then right turn then 300m ahead
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[15:32] <Broliv> Afternoon everyone
[15:32] <Morseman> Who knows, it's often strange watching what people 'on the ground' are doing without being able to hear what they are discussing
[15:32] <SamSilver> Jou Bro]
[15:32] <Morseman> Hi Broliv
[15:32] <number10> also the chase car may have not updated position
[15:32] <Broliv> Hey Guys :)
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[15:33] <Morseman> Video seems to have stopped as well
[15:33] <Gadget-Mac> 3G blackspot ?
[15:33] <M1ELR> Frustrating!!
[15:33] <Morseman> daveake_ looks like balloon further along next to North Intake Road
[15:33] <SamSilver> daveake: BUZZ Time: 2012-07-29 15:31:04 Position: 53.46584,-0.79451 Altitude: 0 m
[15:34] <SamSilver> I have it as 450 m ahead then right turn then 300m ahead
[15:34] <Morseman> Looks like daveake lost link and now is daveake_
[15:34] <G0MJW> I think Dave knows where it is.- probably taken to foot with DF.
[15:35] <SamSilver> did the scouts dismount?
[15:35] <number10> they'll have gor it in a few minutes - probably getting cameras and things
[15:35] <number10> got
[15:35] <daveake_> got it
[15:35] <Morseman> Saw a Scout wandering round in front of van a few mins ago
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[15:35] <daveake_> parachute by the track
[15:35] <SamSilver> well done daveake_
[15:36] <Morseman> Good news daveake_
[15:36] <daveake_> payload in the field
[15:36] <Colin-G8TMV> daveake_: the video stream has halted
[15:36] <daveake_> Just letting the scouts video it
[15:36] <daveake_> just a mo
[15:36] <SamSilver> hold up to camera with a smile please
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[15:37] <Morseman> Is the scout van known as "Rolling on Floor Laughing" ? ;-)
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[15:39] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[15:41] <Morseman> If they can't find it, do they get a 401 error as well?
[15:42] <M1ELR> no they have a badge ripped off.
[15:42] <Elmar_PD3EM> Or 500 internal visual error ;-)
[15:42] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[15:42] <Elmar_PD3EM> Sorry costyn, just see your message. Have been out for a while
[15:43] <Lunar_Lander> hello Elmar_PD3EM
[15:43] <Elmar_PD3EM> Hi
[15:43] <Elmar_PD3EM> looks like Buzz recovered
[15:43] <Morseman> Daveake car repossitioned
[15:43] <Colin-G8TMV> yes, he said they found it
[15:44] <Elmar_PD3EM> great
[15:44] <Colin-G8TMV> still no TV though
[15:44] <SamSilver> no video @ the mo
[15:44] <Elmar_PD3EM> so we'll need ATV streams
[15:45] <Elmar_PD3EM> were no 3G coverage ;-)
[15:45] <daveake_> just restarting the vide
[15:46] <SamSilver> thanx daveake_
[15:46] <daveake_> hmmm not reconnecting
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[15:54] <griffonbot> Received email: MikeB "Re: [UKHAS] Insurance"
[15:56] <JamesBurton> Do you need Insurance
[15:58] <JamesBurton> to launch a balloon
[15:58] <G0DJA> Anyone know why Buzz not listed but Scout is on http://habitat.habhub.org/stats/ ?
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[15:59] <G0DJA> Might be a good idea JAmesBurton but not cheap...
[16:00] <JamesBurton> How much will it cost for Insurance
[16:01] <JamesBurton> G0DJA
[16:02] <DanielRichman> G0DJA: in which section, the flights pie?
[16:03] <Randomskk> JamesBurton: if you can find it, about £500 isn't atypical. Could be a lot more.
[16:04] <Broliv> £500... ouch
[16:05] <JamesBurton> Have someone used there Insurance when balloon
[16:05] <SamSilver_> Insurence when lost is good for insurence
[16:06] <JamesBurton> Have someone used there Insurance before when balloon8ng
[16:06] <griffonbot> @daveake: Payloads recovered rather conveniently right next to a public footpath. Everything intact and the "frog in space" video looks sweet! #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/daveake/status/229608947735207936]
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[16:11] <x-f> woo!
[16:17] <daveake_> The younger scouts are no longer bored :)
[16:17] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Scout Sunday"
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[16:22] <Lunar_Lander> I just read eroomde s post in the Mailing List
[16:22] <Lunar_Lander> I feel sorry for all my questions
[16:23] <jcoxon> Lunar_Lander, don't feel bad for questions
[16:23] <jcoxon> they are important
[16:23] <jcoxon> i think eroomde just feels that often the info is already around
[16:23] <zyp> without questions there wouldn't be any answers ;)
[16:23] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[16:23] <jcoxon> just needs 2 minutes looking
[16:24] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[16:27] <Lunar_Lander> what happened to the guy that launched without authorization?
[16:28] <jcoxon> nothing
[16:29] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
[16:29] <JamesBurton> Is here no law to stop this
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[16:29] <jcoxon> all we say is please don't do it
[16:29] <jcoxon> as if someone gets caught it puts the rest of us at ris
[16:29] <jcoxon> k
[16:30] <Randomskk> also personally if you get caught you could get into trouble
[16:30] <Randomskk> I dunno what the penalty is, actually
[16:30] <Randomskk> in theory I guess a fine?
[16:33] <G0DJA> DanielRichman - The BUZZ launch today doesn't appear in the 'Flights List' section at the moment
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[16:33] <DanielRichman> oh right G0DJA; for today's launch BUZZ was included in that flight
[16:33] <DanielRichman> so the stats for the 5th Scout thing include uploaded lines for BUZZ
[16:34] <DanielRichman> I think
[16:34] <JamesBurton> how high did BUZZ today dakeake
[16:34] <JamesBurton> How high did BUZZ go today?
[16:34] <DanielRichman> G0DJA: yeah, both BUZZ and 5thSCOUT callsigns were grouped into that flight for today
[16:35] <LazyL-M0LEP> Is there a "flights tracked" pie chart for an individual tracker callsign?
[16:36] <G0DJA> Ah, thanks for info DanielRichman
[16:36] <russss> I don't know exactly what part of the ANO requires that balloons are notified
[16:36] <SamSilver_> LazyL-M0LEP: there is, i have seen a few, but no idea where to find it jcoxon can you help
[16:36] <russss> but if it's article 161 then it is an article 241(6) penalty: "(6) Any person who contravenes any provision specified in Part B of Schedule 13 is guilty of an offence and liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 4 on the standard scale."
[16:37] <russss> level 4 is £2,500
[16:38] <Randomskk> not to be sniffed at
[16:38] <russss> well, plus you get a criminal record
[16:39] <griffonbot> Received email: Ed Moore "Re: [UKHAS] Insurance"
[16:39] <G0DJA> LazyL-M0LEP the raw data can be obtained from http://habitat.habhub.org/stats/
[16:40] <daveake_> Off home. See y'all later
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[16:43] <eroomde> JamesBurton: of course there's a law
[16:43] <eroomde> but laws dont stop things
[16:43] <eroomde> they only say you'll be penalised for doing it
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[16:59] <number10> daveake - it must be 11:30 am and you are reading the logs - hope you had a good journey home... we must talk about this prediction stuff before you shoot me again :)
[17:00] <JamesBurton> -
[17:00] <JamesBurton> off now
[17:01] <JamesBurton> bye
[17:01] <Broliv> bye
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[17:04] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Scout Sunday"
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[17:15] <fsphil> woo, home
[17:17] <SamSilver_> fsphil: sounds like the island was fun
[17:18] <fsphil> it was, great spot
[17:20] <fsphil> would love to go back but I don't have a boat :0
[17:21] <fsphil> on the plus side I now know four people with one .. so yay water landing :)
[17:22] <SamSilver_> when you launching?
[17:22] Nick change: SamSilver_ -> SamSilver-lap
[17:22] <fsphil> not until Mr.CAA says so
[17:23] <SamSilver-lap> you and MrCAA seem to be on slow terms
[17:23] <Lunar_Lander> I feel so sorry to eroomde
[17:24] <fsphil> yea, I suspect I'm not on the top of his list :(
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[17:40] <SamSilver> dave and cuddy seem to be his best mates
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[17:56] <Lunar_Lander> does anyone of you have experience with ubuntu?
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[17:58] <Darren> Hi
[17:58] <Randomskk> hello
[17:59] <Darren> I wonder if you could help me understand something :$
[17:59] <jcoxon> ask away
[18:00] <Lunar_Lander> does anyone of you have experience with ubuntu?
[18:00] <Darren> The process of the balloon bursting and seperating from the parachute, I just do not see how this happens ?
[18:00] <Randomskk> Lunar_Lander: best to ask your question or what you need help with rather than just if anyone has experience with ubuntu
[18:00] <jcoxon> often people don't seperate the 2
[18:00] <jcoxon> when it bursts it 'should' shred
[18:00] <Lunar_Lander> is it dangerous that gvfsd-http shows a CLOSE_WAIT connection to Facebook in netstat?
[18:01] <Darren> so the balloon just comes down attached to the parachute ?
[18:01] <Randomskk> yes
[18:01] <jcoxon> well a small amount of it
[18:01] <Randomskk> Lunar_Lander: no
[18:01] <Darren> ahh, ok, and I suppose that it is so light it makes little difference ?
[18:01] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[18:01] <Lunar_Lander> so no virus?
[18:02] <Randomskk> no
[18:02] <Randomskk> it's likely a result of you copying a photo from facebook or something like that
[18:02] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[18:02] <Randomskk> combined with this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/571970
[18:02] <Lunar_Lander> wait
[18:02] <Randomskk> the bug causes the socket to not be removed
[18:03] <Lunar_Lander> yeah I copied the summary nosebleed wrote about his flight
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[18:03] <Randomskk> that'd probably do it
[18:03] <Darren> Ok thanks for the information, I will continue to explore and work on my project :)
[18:03] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:03] <jcoxon> Darren, cool
[18:03] <fsphil> excellent
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[18:07] <Lunar_Lander> Darren, are you still there?
[18:11] <Lunar_Lander> damn
[18:11] <Lunar_Lander> now he believes the balloon rest is insignificant
[18:11] <Randomskk> it pretty much is on the way down
[18:12] <Lunar_Lander> but we had that one flight recently that had a strangely slow descent
[18:12] <fsphil> that's rare
[18:12] <jcoxon> very rare
[18:14] Nick change: UpuHome -> Upu
[18:17] <Broliv> What was the cause for the slow descent rate?
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[18:18] <fsphil> it's believed the remains of the balloon acted as large parachute
[18:18] <Broliv> ahh right
[18:18] <Broliv> I bet that stuffed the landing prediction up
[18:18] <fsphil> which then collapsed a few km from landing
[18:19] <AlephHaz> someone recommended a battery pack to use with my arduino but i wasn't logging on my client back then, anyone have a personal favourite?
[18:19] <jcoxon> AlephHaz, for a balloon flight lithium energizers are your best bet
[18:20] <fsphil> Broliv: now that you mention it, I haven't seem the live predictions working in a while
[18:20] <jcoxon> it worked today
[18:20] <jcoxon> when i turned it on...
[18:20] <fsphil> ah -- just my slow internet then
[18:20] <AlephHaz> what should i use to house them that will be easy to hook up to the power pin?
[18:21] <Randomskk> normal AA battery container
[18:21] <jcoxon> you can get AA battery holders
[18:21] <SamSilver-lap> fsphil: did not work with MONDO-3 but did with Buzz and green frog
[18:21] <AlephHaz> ah :p
[18:24] <Darren> Still here
[18:25] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:25] <Lunar_Lander> see above
[18:25] <Darren> Thanks :)
[18:26] <Darren> Yeah, that could get me, thanks again
[18:26] <Lunar_Lander> you are welcome
[18:26] <Lunar_Lander> jcoxon, my left arm hurts suddenly :(
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[18:39] <Lunar_Lander> LOOK WHAT I JUST SAW!
[18:39] <Lunar_Lander> http://s.gullipics.com/image/z/7/j/5yvo23-jae59z-uuq/IMG0300.jpeg
[18:39] <fsphil> a LAB
[18:40] <Randomskk> oh my god it's having a horrible accident!
[18:40] <jonsowman> lol
[18:40] <mattbrejza> im still amazed they havnt fallen out
[18:40] <fsphil> lol
[18:40] <Randomskk> they appear to be holding on for dear life
[18:41] <mattbrejza> do they have seatbelts?
[18:41] <zyp> do they have seats?
[18:41] <fsphil> they appear to be glued to the basket
[18:43] <Lunar_Lander> http://s.gullipics.com/image/c/z/3/5yvo23-jae5gx-pzg/IMG0293.jpeg
[18:43] <fsphil> phew, they fixed it
[18:44] <jonsowman> either that or the house has fallen over
[18:45] <fsphil> shame we can't use those, would make tracking easier if you're in it
[18:45] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[18:46] <Gadget-Mac> Well after the excitement of watching todays flight, I feel I should be buying new toys
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[18:47] <Lunar_Lander> http://s.gullipics.com/image/l/x/d/5yvo23-jae6kv-rcro/IMG0297.jpeg
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[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> done! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW-67bcXbs4
[19:28] <SamSilver-lap> seen
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[19:31] <nosebleedkt_> hey
[19:31] <nosebleedkt_> :)
[19:32] <nosebleedkt_> did u all see that: http://epod.usra.edu/blog/2012/07/high-altitude-balloon-flight-over-mount-olympus-greece.html
[19:32] <nosebleedkt_> :P
[19:32] <Broliv> Hello :)
[19:32] <Lunar_Lander> nosebleedkt_, yeah!
[19:32] <nosebleedkt_> hehe
[19:32] <Lunar_Lander> nosebleedkt_, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW-67bcXbs4
[19:32] <eroomde> balloons swing to the left as they descend
[19:32] <eroomde> true story
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> ?
[19:35] <eroomde> they change direction as they descend
[19:35] <eroomde> at higher altitude the winds do not go in a straight line from high pressure to low in a straight line
[19:35] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:36] <eroomde> but they instead do a kinda of curvey figure of 8 thanks to corriolis
[19:37] <eroomde> but when you get lower because of ground effects they just follow th pressure gradient
[19:37] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:37] <Lunar_Lander> true
[19:37] <eroomde> so the balloon as it descend goes from crossing the pressure gradient to going along it, which manifests itself as swinging to the left if you're on the balloon
[19:38] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:38] <eroomde> they can steer by changing altitude like that
[19:38] <eroomde> within constraints
[19:38] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:38] <Lunar_Lander> that is why the breitling orbiter 3 could fly around the world
[19:38] <Lunar_Lander> and so on
[19:38] <Gadget-Mac> Out of interest what are people using to rx telemetry ?
[19:38] <jonsowman> ssb amateur radios normally
[19:39] <Gadget-Mac> Anything not on the wiki worth looking for ?
[19:39] <jonsowman> try that
[19:39] <MrScienceMan> anyone used a BMP085 on their balloon ?
[19:40] <Lunar_Lander> nosebleedkt_, did for instance
[19:40] <nosebleedkt_> Lunar_Lander: ?
[19:41] <Lunar_Lander> you had a BMP085 sensore
[19:41] <Lunar_Lander> -e
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[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> nosebleedkt_, and MrScienceMan asked who used that sensor before
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[19:47] <nosebleedkt_> what sensor?
[19:47] <nosebleedkt_> ah yes
[19:47] <nosebleedkt_> I have it
[19:47] <MrScienceMan> :D
[19:47] <nosebleedkt_> it worked it highaltitude
[19:47] <MrScienceMan> im wondering about the placement
[19:47] <MrScienceMan> would it make any difference
[19:47] <nosebleedkt_> reported 3mb at 38.884m
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[19:52] <fsphil> placement won't make any difference unless you've it in a sealed container
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[20:11] <Lunar_Lander> hi daveake
[20:11] <Lunar_Lander> congratulations for a good flight
[20:11] <daveake> hi ll
[20:11] <daveake> cheers
[20:12] <daveake> Amazing how well that chinese rubber goes
[20:12] <daveake> 800h Hwoyee; 800g payload; 35.5km
[20:12] <daveake> About 6km more than expected
[20:12] <Gadget-Mac> Nice :)
[20:13] <daveake> Scouts are "over the moon" so it was all worthwhile
[20:13] <daveake> And yes I was tempted to launch one or two of them ...
[20:13] <fsphil> 800g got to 35km?
[20:13] <fsphil> I'm impressed
[20:13] <Lunar_Lander> He or H2?
[20:13] <daveake> With a bunch of very flammable scouts around?
[20:13] <daveake> He
[20:18] <Gadget-Mac> Ok, the adventure begins. Assuming the AOR AR8000 I've just acquired works :)
[20:19] <LazyLeopard> You did say you were tempted to launch one or two of them.... ;)
[20:19] <jonsowman> mind me asking how much?
[20:19] <jonsowman> how did today go daveake?
[20:19] <Gadget-Mac> jonsowman: <£80 delivered
[20:20] <jonsowman> Gadget-Mac: excellent
[20:20] <Gadget-Mac> Hence the question earlier.
[20:20] <Gadget-Mac> Question is have I still got the 70cm co-lin somewhere
[20:22] <Gadget-Mac> Always a risk buying secondhand unseen but think I've done ok
[20:23] <jonsowman> assuming it works, that's a good price
[20:23] <Randomskk> don't jinx it now
[20:23] <jonsowman> heh
[20:23] <Lunar_Lander> what does jinx mean?
[20:24] <Gadget-Mac> Going to investigate SDR as well at some point
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[20:27] <daveake> jonsowman: Sorry, was scrolled up catching up with missed messages :-)
[20:27] <jonsowman> no problem :)
[20:28] <daveake> Interesting day. Range of ages in the scout troop. Younger ones spent most of the prep time watching themselves on the live video stream!
[20:28] <jonsowman> haha
[20:28] <daveake> The others were interested and asked good questions
[20:28] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:28] <jonsowman> sounds good. did the flight itself go well?
[20:28] <daveake> Got them to measure out the string, tie the knots, and other bits and pieces
[20:29] <daveake> Yes, very well
[20:29] <jonsowman> good good
[20:29] <griffonbot> Received email: Dave "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Scout Sunday"
[20:29] <daveake> Ascent and descent rates pretty much on target
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[20:29] <daveake> Expected 29km alt (800g Hwoyee / 800g payloads / 5.8m/s aim)
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> what sort of questions did they ask?
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[20:30] <daveake> Got 35.5km
[20:30] <jonsowman> wow
[20:30] <daveake> Well it wasn't "is pink the best colour for a payload?" :)
[20:30] <jonsowman> Hwoyees being unpredictable as usual
[20:30] <daveake> yep
[20:31] <daveake> Better than some of the questions I've heard the last few days
[20:31] <jonsowman> heh
[20:31] <LazyLeopard> ;)
[20:33] <daveake> Even the younger ones woke up when we found the payload
[20:33] <daveake> And they were jumping about when they saw the video
[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> daveake, like my questions?
[20:34] <daveake> sorry?
[20:34] <jonsowman> sounds like a good day
[20:34] <daveake> It was
[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> yeah I was sorry towards eroomde earlier
[20:35] <daveake> Oh, that
[20:35] <Lunar_Lander> cause he posted something in the mailing list
[20:35] <Lunar_Lander> about low-level questions or so
[20:35] <daveake> Yeah I read it when I got back
[20:35] <Lunar_Lander> can't really repeat it
[20:35] <daveake> I don't think it's about "low-level questions"
[20:36] <daveake> I think it's about questions that don't need asking
[20:36] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok
[20:36] <daveake> Ones where the answer is on the wiki
[20:36] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:36] <daveake> Or could be answered with the application of thought
[20:36] <Lunar_Lander> or someting like
[20:36] <Lunar_Lander> "can i buy a tracker from u wanna fly a ballooon from my house thx"
[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> ?
[20:37] <Randomskk> that's a question that could be answered with the application of thought
[20:37] <Randomskk> not to be too meta about this
[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[20:40] <griffonbot> Received email: Dave "Re: [UKHAS] First flight successfull"
[20:40] <griffonbot> Received email: Dan Bowen "[UKHAS] Method for calculating actual risk to aircraft or persons on
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[20:43] <LazyLeopard> Good DSC, Mike?
[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> daveake, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW-67bcXbs4
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[20:52] <daveake> and?
[20:57] <daveake> Screen shot taken by the scout leader - http://i.imgur.com/BvYyD.jpg
[20:57] <griffonbot> Received email: Dave "Re: [UKHAS] Insurance"
[21:00] <fsphil> that's a nice earth
[21:00] <griffonbot> Received email: Ed Moore "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Scout Sunday"
[21:01] <fsphil> I'm a bit worried this 1000g howyee might go somewhat higher than I plan it to
[21:02] <fsphil> wasn't planning on having a cut-down- rethinking that
[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> daveake, yeah I watched it landung
[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> landing
[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:07] <daveake> oh, ok
[21:11] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW2UvW6xLP8&feature=youtube_gdata_player. Beaten to it!
[21:11] <costyn> does anyone know what the LM2940CT reg wil do if I supply it with 5v on the output pin? read somewhere some regs don't like 5v on their output pins supplied by a different supply
[21:11] <SpeedEvil> trimming trees from chopper
[21:11] <costyn> google hasn't been my friend :)
[21:11] <daveake> fsphil Seems like all the Hwoyee sizes can comfortably exceed the burst calc altitude
[21:12] <daveake> Note "can" :D
[21:12] <SpeedEvil> costyn: were you asking questions on how to boost the output of that with a FET?
[21:12] <griffonbot> Received email: Matthew Brejza "Re: [UKHAS] Insurance"
[21:15] <griffonbot> Received email: Costyn van Dongen "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Scout Sunday"
[21:15] <costyn> SpeedEvil: nope, just that I've already soldered it in a circuit to be pwered by AAs, but am going to program the attached arduino through serial which also provides power to the 5v circuit
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> hey costyn
[21:16] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: hiya
[21:16] <SpeedEvil> is it linear?
[21:18] <costyn> SpeedEvil: http://www.cedt.iisc.ernet.in/tfcindia2012/Datasheet/LM2940.pdf
[21:18] <costyn> not sure what linear means? it's a low dropout
[21:18] <SpeedEvil> put a diode from oit to on
[21:18] <SpeedEvil> out to in
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:19] <SpeedEvil> to keep input voltage within 0.6v
[21:19] <costyn> SpeedEvil: ok, so then some voltage will flow from 5v output pin to the input pin through the diode?
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[21:26] <costyn> SpeedEvil: does look like there's a diode in the reg itself looking at the circuit diagram
[21:28] <SpeedEvil> yes
[21:29] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[21:29] <costyn> anyways, time for sleep now. :) SpeedEvil thanks for your help
[21:30] <Lunar_Lander> good night costyn
[21:30] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: cya
[21:30] <SpeedEvil> coscos
[21:30] <SpeedEvil> costyn: The issue is that some regs won't behave well with Vin well under Voit
[21:31] <SpeedEvil> A diode ensures that this doesn't happen, and will usally make it fine
[21:31] <SpeedEvil> though some regs don't need this - read the datsheet carefully
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[21:31] <SpeedEvil> It may seperately supply Vout -Vin
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[21:38] <griffonbot> Received email: Dave "Re: [UKHAS] Insurance"
[21:41] <griffonbot> Received email: Dave "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Scout Sunday"
[21:46] <Broliv> night all
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[21:56] <griffonbot> Received email: Ed Moore "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Scout Sunday"
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[22:40] <SpeedEvil> Fun with sensors.
[22:40] <SpeedEvil> My new nexus 7 occasionally gets confused, and rotates the accellerometer axis.
[22:40] <SpeedEvil> X becomes Y, Y->Z, Z->X
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[22:43] <zamabe> SpeedEvil, or perhaps you turned it 90^2 degrees
[22:48] <SpeedEvil> Naah.
[22:49] <SpeedEvil> When playing 'galaxy on fire' - sometimes it glitches, and goes 90 degrees out. (It could also I suppose be an issue in the game)
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[22:59] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Aerospace "Re: [UKHAS] Insurance"
[23:15] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "[UKHAS] Moving On"
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