highaltitude.log.20120714

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[00:34] <fsphil> http://www.zdnet.com/raspberry-pi-in-space-putting-the-linux-pc-into-orbit-7000000577/
[00:35] <fsphil> "I will eat my hat if we don't see Raspberry Pi-based high-altitude ballooning in the next year" - Eben Upton
[00:35] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[00:36] <fsphil> hopefully 365 times less than that
[00:37] <Darkside> looool
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[05:23] <SamSilver> daveake: reminder - pack the checklist
[05:23] <SamSilver> oh and G morning to you
[05:23] <daveake> Good morning :)
[05:24] <daveake> And thx for the advice :p
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[05:46] <SamSilver> daveake: i have the live video feed on and there is not a bacon butty in sight
[05:46] <SamSilver> well there is nada in sight TBH
[05:48] <nick_> daveake: are we looking good weather wise?
[05:48] <daveake> Upu is doing the video feed this time
[05:49] <daveake> Weather - well, overcast, but some thinner bits of cloud. No rain atm. Expecting some light showers
[05:49] <nick_> What happens if it rains?
[05:49] <nick_> We just sit it out at your place?
[05:49] <daveake> yup
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[05:50] <daveake> Or if we're between flights, we'll wait there
[05:52] <nick_> The sky is pretty grey here
[05:53] <nick_> is there any concern about the expected wind speeds?
[05:53] <daveake> Tomorrow is much sunnier, however the wind predictions aren't good
[05:53] <daveake> No should be fine
[05:54] <nick_> What's the cut off speed?
[05:54] <nick_> Or does the low speed not really matter?
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[05:54] <daveake> Erm, low is good
[05:55] <nick_> i mean low in height
[05:55] <daveake> Faster-than-you-can run starts getting dodgy
[05:55] <daveake> Oh
[05:55] <daveake> I'm confused
[05:56] <daveake> If it's windy at the launch site it can be tricky to get the neck lift right
[05:56] <daveake> And if it's really windy it's difficult to launch safely
[05:56] <daveake> Today it's ok
[05:56] <nick_> Do you worry more about high wind at altitude or at the ground?
[05:56] <nick_> OK
[05:56] <daveake> Altitude - no don't care, so long as the prediction is safe
[05:57] <nick_> Do you have a link to today's prediction?
[05:57] <daveake> We chased one of mine to Belgium, and at one point we were doing "motorway speeeds" and it was doing more than double that
[05:57] <nick_> That must have been fun
[05:58] <daveake> yup
[05:58] <nick_> I assume an anxious trip through the tunnel on the way there and a boot full of beer on the way back?
[05:58] <daveake> Yep
[05:58] <daveake> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=26374761303e5bef4f4e1d2a12489a84393de33c
[05:58] <daveake> brb - aerial needs putting up
[06:00] <nick_> The one time I did an experiment in Belgium we made sure to tell the dept we needed a van to transport it
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[06:21] <navrac> hows the weather in berks?
[06:23] <nick_> It's grey in Oxford
[06:24] <navrac> flooding in suffolk :-(
[06:24] <nick_> :(
[06:25] <navrac> looks good for tomorrow so Ill go for a launch then
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[06:33] <daveake> Handy note: After you've put the radials onto your colinear, extend the mast before you poke your eye out on one of them :p
[06:33] <daveake> Missed by an inch or so
[06:33] <daveake> Good job I wear glasses :)
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[08:19] <navrac> is the launch still on?
[08:20] <griffonbot> Received email: Michael Castle "Re: [UKHAS] Digest for ukhas@googlegroups.com - 20 Messages in 2 Topics"
[08:21] <daveake> navrac, this is actually nick_, but yes
[08:22] <daveake> upu and dave are prepping their payloads at the momemnt
[08:22] <griffonbot> Received email: Darkside "Re: [UKHAS] Digest for ukhas@googlegroups.com - 20 Messages in 2 Topics"
[08:31] <daveake> its raining :/
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[08:38] <daveake> Upu here
[08:38] <daveake> we are just holding due to rain
[08:41] <jdtanner> Hope today goes well for you!
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[08:41] <daveake> well if you could make it stop raining I'd appreciate it
[08:42] <jdtanner> Lol
[08:42] <jdtanner> I'll have words
[08:43] <jdtanner> ;)
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[08:49] <G0MJW> GM All. Is it too wet to launch?
[08:52] <navrac> It cant rain there much - I've got all the rain here
[08:53] <G0MJW> It is raining heavily here and I am only a few miles away.
[09:00] <fsphil> http://www.raintoday.co.uk/ -- there is a fairly big band of rain heading south over you guys
[09:01] <fsphil> but it's clear after that
[09:01] <daveake> PAVA is in the kitchen
[09:02] <daveake> we are assembling payloads but its still drizzling
[09:02] <fsphil> pavalova
[09:02] <daveake> 65g all in
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[09:03] <daveake> this is Upu btw
[09:03] <daveake> Dave is wrapping his payload up
[09:03] <G0MJW> Can't hear it. here. But that is not surprising.
[09:03] <daveake> we had to put it in the oven to unlock the car
[09:03] <fsphil> lol
[09:03] <jonsowman> lol
[09:03] <jonsowman> does the car not have a manual key lock?
[09:04] <daveake> powered on and glued shut
[09:04] <G0MJW> Freq Dave?
[09:04] <daveake> 434.200
[09:04] <daveake> 434.198
[09:04] <daveake> sorry daveake's radio needs moar back light
[09:05] <fsphil> cloud is too low, I'm not gonna risk tracking from the mountain
[09:05] <G0MJW> Nothing. Not a banana
[09:05] <fsphil> visibility up there can drop really quickly
[09:05] <G0MJW> Visibility is about 1km.
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[09:06] <G0MJW> Bit more perhaps - can just make out Didcot power station.
[09:08] <fsphil> the clouds look to be covering the top of the mountain
[09:08] <fsphil> bit difficult to tell at this distance
[09:08] <G0MJW> Hearing something not sure what. vy weak
[09:08] <jdtanner> Which mountain?
[09:08] <fsphil> slieve galion (sp?)
[09:09] <fsphil> big hill by many standards :) about 400m
[09:09] <jdtanner> That would be like the Eiger in the Peak District ;)
[09:10] <G0MJW> Everest in Cambs
[09:10] <jdtanner> Surely Olympus Mons ;)
[09:10] <fsphil> wikipedia says 496m
[09:10] <G0MJW> Everest in Cambs
[09:11] <jdtanner> Lol
[09:11] <G0MJW> What is this Pava, Uava business? Shooting Stars?
[09:11] <daveake> l;ol
[09:12] <daveake> Uvavoo :)
[09:12] <daveake> as you can tell by the typing is Upu
[09:12] <fsphil> it's the accent
[09:13] <daveake> pAVA = Picoava
[09:13] <daveake> UAVA = uAVA board
[09:13] <G0MJW> Ah - Uava is Uber AVA?
[09:13] <jonsowman> what happened to nanoAVA
[09:14] <daveake> sneezed and lost it
[09:14] <jonsowman> haha
[09:14] <G0MJW> Little Ava? Too hot?
[09:14] <fsphil> there was going to be a vava but some french dude stole it
[09:14] <jonsowman> :D
[09:14] <daveake> someone make it stop raining k thx
[09:15] <fsphil> give it an hour
[09:15] <daveake> yeah
[09:15] <jdtanner> I was getting a bit worried http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAVA_spray
[09:15] <G0MJW> Give it a year!
[09:15] <daveake> pAVA has about 6 hours battery life we think
[09:15] <fsphil> nah, it'll be raining in a year
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[09:15] <daveake> not tested the boost on 2 AA's
[09:15] <G0MJW> An ice age then.
[09:15] <daveake> actually I'm talking crap
[09:15] <daveake> its going to be at least 18 hours life
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[09:21] <G0MJW> Ron MacKenna is round here for a visit today.
[09:22] <G0MJW> Rob McKenna sorry. Can't type or spell this morning.
[09:23] <fsphil> it's contagous
[09:23] <daveake> indede
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[09:23] <fsphil> breakfast
[09:24] <G0MJW> Stopped raining here, turned to medium drizzle.
[09:25] <fsphil> who all is going to try receiving the images?
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[09:25] <G0MJW> Images?
[09:26] <fsphil> hopefully PIE1 will be transmitting images
[09:26] <G0MJW> What does it need?
[09:26] <fsphil> a beta version of dl-fldigi will decode it
[09:26] <fsphil> windows?
[09:27] <G0MJW> IThought they were all betas. Is there a windoze version
[09:27] <fsphil> http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/hab/hatty/dl-fldigi-3.21.43-3_setup.exe
[09:28] <number10> i hope the first imige is not a bacon buttie daveake
[09:28] <fsphil> this is the 300 baud payload, if you're decoding that the images should appear in the View -> SSDV RX window
[09:28] <fsphil> mmmm
[09:28] <number10> image
[09:28] <fsphil> I've bacon here
[09:28] <daveake> More likely to be a raincloud
[09:28] <fsphil> that would be a nice breakfast
[09:28] <daveake> We've had our bacon
[09:29] <G0MJW> It was a text file - downloaded installed. Not configured
[09:29] <fsphil> urg, cloudflare mess up my mime types
[09:30] <WillDuckworth> what's the stream url again?
[09:31] <G0MJW> Still not fixed the window width bug. OK, 300 baud - but not able to track at the same time.
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[09:31] <fsphil> the fixed window width is not a bug :) just an annoying feature
[09:31] <fsphil> actually it's the height that's fixed
[09:32] <fsphil> what's the width bug?
[09:32] <G0MJW> Yes the width is variable but if you have a large desktop with two monitors it uses the entire width and a tiny height.
[09:32] <fsphil> http://www.batc.tv/ch_live.php?id=768
[09:33] <fsphil> you can drag it back to one monitor size
[09:33] <WillDuckworth> ta
[09:33] <G0MJW> fsphil. How do I get video from the BATC? I need to select a channel.
[09:33] <fsphil> that link will take you straight to the viewer, but they're not broadcasting just yet
[09:34] <G0MJW> Yes, but it is so wide one almost needs to go next door to get to the edge to drag from.
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[09:51] <UpuMobile> morning
[09:51] Nick change: UpuMobile -> M0UPU
[09:51] <WillDuckworth> morning
[09:51] <G0MJW> stopped raining!
[09:51] <M0UPU> live up
[09:51] <WillDuckworth> video coming through
[09:52] <G0MJW> Gripping stuff.
[09:52] <navrac> upu - just got the dioded this morning - thanks very much!
[09:52] <navrac> diodes even
[09:52] <M0UPU> welcome
[09:53] <navrac> fitted already - so hiopefully can track 2x payloads today
[09:53] Nick change: number10 -> M0MDB
[09:55] <G0MJW> How is the video getting to the streamer? 3G? GB3TV?
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[09:56] <M0MDB> 3G
[09:57] <G0MJW> Very good quality. Anyone put 3G on.... no that would be bad!
[09:57] Nick change: fsphil -> MI0VIM
[09:57] <M0MDB> shiney new one - well done MI0VIM
[09:57] <MI0VIM> thanks M0MDB :)
[09:58] <MI0VIM> woo, foil balloons just arrived
[09:58] <MI0VIM> want me to clear the map M0UPU?
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[09:58] <jonsowman> oh congrats MI0VIM :D when did you pass?
[09:59] <MI0VIM> ta jonsowman, thursday I think
[09:59] <jonsowman> good stuff
[09:59] <jonsowman> :)
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[10:00] <MI0VIM> just got the certificate through the post too
[10:00] <jonsowman> :)
[10:00] <jonsowman> one of us, one of us
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[10:01] <G0MJW> Certified. Well done.
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[10:02] <MI0VIM> I prefer this format to the 2x0 callsigns
[10:02] <jonsowman> me too
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[10:03] <G0MJW> Ditto. Mine, Working EI5I the other day on CW was a challenge.
[10:03] <G0MJW> EI5E sorry....
[10:03] <MI0VIM> is that an event callsign?
[10:04] <G0MJW> Contest i think - all dots for those that don't do CW.
[10:04] <pjm__> hello Mike
[10:05] Nick change: pjm__ -> pjm
[10:05] <G0MJW> Hello Paul. Surprised you have not drowned!
[10:05] <MI0VIM> I learned a bit of CW, then promptly forgot it
[10:05] Nick change: pjm -> Guest97853
[10:05] Nick change: Guest97853 -> pjmmm
[10:05] <pjmmm> G0MJW lol well we have had some rain but luckily no flood
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[10:07] <G0MJW> I was getting worried. Dorset has been suffering. Hamfets going ahead? McMichael tomorrow but I think I will give it a miss due to the likely to be waterlogged field.
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[10:07] <G0MJW> Hamfest sorry! (Flight Refueling)
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[10:13] <daveake> Rain gone from light drizel to drizel
[10:13] <daveake> We are however persevering :)
[10:13] <daveake> Will Upu is ...
[10:13] <daveake> Well
[10:13] <jackclark> Buzz live stream's looking good
[10:13] <G0MJW> It is dry here dave - no sorry, just started raining again.
[10:14] <MI0VIM> it's dry here, but that's no help
[10:15] <G0MJW> Just looked at radar - a nasty looking patch of rain on the way. perhaps they will launch in time to miss it. http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/observations/?tab=map&map=Rainfall&zoom=5&locId=350928
[10:19] <MI0VIM> just started raining on the webcam
[10:20] <WillDuckworth> well done fsphil on passing exam
[10:20] <WillDuckworth> or MI0VIM ;)
[10:20] <MI0VIM> thanks :)
[10:21] <MI0VIM> I went for a really original callsign this time
[10:22] <G0MJW> Why VIM?
[10:22] <MI0VIM> ZIM was taken :)
[10:23] <G0MJW> AJAX?
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[10:24] <MI0VIM> invader
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[10:26] <M0UPU> ok
[10:26] <M0UPU> launchimng
[10:28] <G0MJW> Not hearing it yet
[10:29] <G0MJW> Got it
[10:29] <MI0VIM> it's up
[10:30] <G0MJW> Not hearing 650 got 200
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[10:30] <MI0VIM> I'm not actually sure what's launched
[10:30] <M0UPU> 434.200
[10:30] <M0UPU> it has
[10:30] <M0UPU> itr su
[10:30] <M0UPU> its up
[10:30] <G0MJW> I will stick on 200 and listen on 650 from time to time.
[10:31] <jackclark> Nice beard
[10:31] <M0UPU> ok thats the pico
[10:31] <M0UPU> we are setting up other payloads now
[10:31] <G0MJW> Ah - I see.
[10:32] <MI0VIM> nice ascent rate
[10:34] <M0UPU> it got wet
[10:34] <G0MJW> Surprised it is being heard just off africa (;
[10:34] <navrac> hydrogen?
[10:34] <MI0VIM> whoops
[10:34] <navrac> must check my aerial - I'm not getting it in suffolk yet
[10:36] <G0MJW> I expected it to go North East. Not south West.
[10:36] <M0UPU> yes h2
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[10:38] <G0MJW> Just retuned - 434.199.9 for those looking
[10:39] <G0MJW> M0UPU is doing well to get a signal at such a low altitude
[10:40] <LazyLeopard> Getting PAVA on 434.199.4
[10:40] <M0MDB> thats because he is at the launch site
[10:40] <G0MJW> Tracker says he is in Leeds!
[10:41] <M0MDB> I dont think he changes location as he will be chasing soon
[10:41] <M0MDB> best look to see where M0UPU_chase is
[10:42] <G0MJW> There is a noce pub just below where it is now.
[10:42] <G0MJW> nice.
[10:42] <Randomskk> MI0VIM: woo congrats :D
[10:42] <LazyLeopard> Ah! MI0! (Sorry, a bit slow here!)
[10:43] <G0MJW> Fr those looking at the satellite image - speculate what that is just about 1km South. It is "Works" but has a red sign off the M4.
[10:43] <MI0VIM> ta :)
[10:44] Nick change: LazyLeopard -> LazyL_M0LEP
[10:46] <M0UPU> hows signal ?
[10:46] <G0MJW> Excellent DX 15km.
[10:46] <MI0VIM> good news
[10:46] <M0UPU> super
[10:47] <G8KNN-Jon> Very weak in Cambridge
[10:47] <M0UPU> raining again
[10:47] <G0MJW> Bit warbly
[10:47] <M0UPU> going for it anyway
[10:47] <MI0VIM> it's ground speed is quite low
[10:47] <MI0VIM> -'
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[10:48] <G0MJW> Heavy Drizzle
[10:51] <MI0VIM> I'd better get setup
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[11:04] <navrac> nearly got a good packet
[11:05] <G0MJW> 21 degrees elevation.
[11:09] <M0UPU> ok guys just preparing the Pi now
[11:09] <navrac> signal is getting weakeer on pava
[11:11] <G0MJW> Boomerang balloon.
[11:12] <M0UPU> loop the loop
[11:13] <G0MJW> Just had to re-tune atain. 434.199.3
[11:14] <daveake> All 3 trackers powered up now. Images starting to upload from PIE1
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[11:15] <M0MDB> try to keep the camera off your legs for the first few frames daveake ;)
[11:15] <MI0VIM> lol
[11:15] <M0MDB> :D
[11:16] <jackclark> First image contains beard, that's a good omen
[11:16] <MI0VIM> indeed, this is what Tim lacked
[11:17] <G0MJW> Moved up ankther kHz.
[11:17] <jackclark> daveake: Should have worn sandals with those socks
[11:20] <MI0VIM> right, setup with the fcd for pava
[11:20] <LazyL_M0LEP> Getting some interesting fades from PAVA
[11:22] <M0UPU> the antenna isn't great on pava
[11:27] <G0MJW> It has really picked up speed now.
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[11:29] <LazyL_M0LEP> Hmmm... Hermitage, Yattendon, Ashampstead... Used to know the area... once.
[11:30] <MI0VIM> what's uava's dial frequency atm?
[11:30] <G0MJW> 434.20000000
[11:31] <MI0VIM> handy
[11:31] <LazyL_M0LEP> UAVA< dunno.
[11:31] <LazyL_M0LEP> PAVA is at 434.200
[11:31] <MI0VIM> pava even
[11:31] <MI0VIM> sorry
[11:31] <LazyL_M0LEP> Well, getting near 434.201
[11:32] <MI0VIM> nothing yet, but won't be long
[11:32] <M0UPU> uava 434.067 but on ground
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[11:34] <MI0VIM> moar images
[11:34] <MI0VIM> hiya GW8RAK
[11:35] <GW8RAK> Hi Phil (IIRC)
[11:35] <MI0VIM> yep :)
[11:35] Nick change: MI0VIM -> fsphil_MI0VIM
[11:35] <fsphil_MI0VIM> that's better
[11:36] <LazyL_M0LEP> Time to nuke a pizza, I think... ;)
[11:36] <GW8RAK> How's things Phil? Been away on holiday
[11:37] <M0UPU> we are just about to start filling
[11:37] <fsphil_MI0VIM> not too bad GW8RAK, on a brief holiday myself
[11:37] <fsphil_MI0VIM> have a good time away?
[11:37] <GW8RAK> Wish I was still in Spain.
[11:38] <GW8RAK> Got engaged as well, so quite a special holiday
[11:38] <fsphil_MI0VIM> whoa
[11:38] <fsphil_MI0VIM> congrats!
[11:38] <GW8RAK> Thanks. I'm really chuffed. It feels good
[11:40] <M0UPU> Starting the second fill.
[11:42] <M0UPU> filling
[11:43] <G0MJW> Time to QSY then.
[11:46] <WillDuckworth> pava keeps wobbling about quite a bit
[11:54] <LazyL_M0LEP> Yeah, it's a bit faint at the moment...
[11:54] <Rob_m0dts> pava hard to decode here too, lots of fading
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[11:56] <G0MJW> Getting a very weak signal from UAVA
[11:58] Nick change: M0MDB -> number10_M0MDB
[11:59] <WillDuckworth> pie payload looks close to the trees....
[12:00] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I can hear rtty
[12:00] <G0MJW> Getting it, not quite strong enough to decode
[12:00] <jackclark> Pi is in the sky
[12:00] <M0UPU> it's away
[12:01] <M0UPU> up
[12:01] <number10_M0MDB> I dint see the parachute on that
[12:01] <WillDuckworth> good stuuf
[12:01] <WillDuckworth> stuff :)
[12:01] <M0UPU> it was at the top
[12:02] <number10_M0MDB> great - got worries there M0UPU
[12:02] <M0UPU> was bright pink :)
[12:02] <number10_M0MDB> worried
[12:02] <G0MJW> Signal really strong but no decoding
[12:02] <fsphil_MI0VIM> seriously pink
[12:02] <G0MJW> Oh - sorry, yes it is, just looks like junk
[12:02] <daveake> Boy that was a fun run
[12:02] <number10_M0MDB> must have mistaken it for a payload box
[12:03] <number10_M0MDB> at leat you were prepared for a run with the shorts and trainers daveake
[12:03] <number10_M0MDB> +s
[12:03] <fsphil_MI0VIM> next image should be from the air
[12:04] <WillDuckworth> new pic coming through
[12:04] <fsphil_MI0VIM> or not
[12:04] <WillDuckworth> fsphil - can your site handle the traffic ok?
[12:04] <fsphil_MI0VIM> aye
[12:04] <fsphil_MI0VIM> well, how much traffic? :)
[12:05] <WillDuckworth> well us lot
[12:05] <WillDuckworth> should be ok i suppose
[12:05] <fsphil_MI0VIM> yea.. lets not tell hackaday just yet
[12:05] <G0MJW> picture is a bit ground based!
[12:06] <fsphil_MI0VIM> aah yes, it picks what it thinks is the best image
[12:06] <fsphil_MI0VIM> the next one will be from the air
[12:07] <fsphil_MI0VIM> anyone else decoding the image data?
[12:08] <G0MJW> going up fast!
[12:09] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I'm not having any luck with pava at all
[12:10] <fsphil_MI0VIM> chase car is on the move
[12:10] <LazyL_M0LEP> It's having another jittery phase...
[12:11] <fsphil_MI0VIM> ok, few more minutes and that image is done
[12:11] <fsphil_MI0VIM> we need more bandwidth :)
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[12:11] <G0MJW> Where is the image - apart from on the SSDV RX tab? Or is that it?
[12:12] <fsphil_MI0VIM> http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/ssdv/live
[12:12] <fsphil_MI0VIM> the SSDV RX tab shows only what you've received
[12:12] <fsphil_MI0VIM> the website shows a combination
[12:13] <G0MJW> OK - Thanks. I have most of it. 47 packets.
[12:13] <fsphil_MI0VIM> are you online?
[12:13] <fsphil_MI0VIM> it should be uploading it
[12:14] <fsphil_MI0VIM> oh wait sky image
[12:15] <number10_M0MDB> got packet or two :)
[12:15] <fsphil_MI0VIM> looks like cloud
[12:16] <fsphil_MI0VIM> ah ha, blue sky
[12:16] <Darkside> heh
[12:16] <number10_M0MDB> thats a lot better picture than daveak s legs
[12:16] <Darkside> now how long until hackaday
[12:17] <fsphil_MI0VIM> not until it's over please :)
[12:17] <fsphil_MI0VIM> pava getting a bit stronger
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[12:18] <Darkside> whats flying on pava?
[12:18] <fsphil_MI0VIM> it's the little board with the boost regulator
[12:18] <fsphil_MI0VIM> rfm22b
[12:18] <daveake> Strange the Pie's GPS is lying, but at least the images are coming down :)
[12:18] <Darkside> ahh ok
[12:18] <fsphil_MI0VIM> was getting worried there when we where getting an image of a shed after it launched :)
[12:19] <daveake> Yeah but maybe it thought the shed was more interesting than grey cloud? :)
[12:19] <LazyL_M0LEP> BUZZ, UAVA and PI all on the same balloon?
[12:19] <daveake> yes
[12:19] <LazyL_M0LEP> Thanks ;)
[12:20] <daveake> I've seen shorter trains on the Santa Fe railway
[12:20] <fsphil_MI0VIM> they ain't loosing that one
[12:20] <daveake> Damn right!
[12:21] <fsphil_MI0VIM> that's a lot of cloud
[12:21] <gonzo_> don't think 70cm has ever had so much rtty on it!
[12:21] <fsphil_MI0VIM> lol
[12:21] <G0MJW> I am getting packets but they don't seem to be uploading. Adjusted shift to 800Hz Seems better
[12:21] Action: LazyL_M0LEP flips back to PAVA for now, then...
[12:21] <daveake> The hills are alive, with the sound of rtty
[12:22] <Darkside> DEEEEEEEEEEDOODLEDEDOODLEDODODODD
[12:22] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I don't understand that G0MJW - if it's online, it should upload
[12:23] <G0MJW> You would think! I see images on SSDV RX - nice clouds
[12:23] <fsphil_MI0VIM> and the Online tab is definitely clicked?
[12:24] <G0MJW> Yes - it is sending position packets but not image ones.
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[12:25] <fsphil_MI0VIM> in DL Client -> Configure menu, the Packet Upload URL should be http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/ssdv/data.php
[12:25] <fsphil_MI0VIM> that's really all it needs
[12:25] <fsphil_MI0VIM> unless there's something unusual about your internet config
[12:26] <G0MJW> It has http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/hadie/query.php
[12:26] <fsphil_MI0VIM> aah
[12:26] <fsphil_MI0VIM> change it do the one above
[12:27] <Rob_m0dts> PIE just into range úÙMN$$PIE,0211:26:8<51.4!04,S088,0,0, 0a2h@#~\R&f ¡4
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[12:29] <G0MJW> Also now restarted as that didn't work
[12:30] <fsphil_MI0VIM> pava sounds like it's having fun
[12:31] <LazyL_M0LEP> Yeah, it's indulging itself in some more twirly-fadey stuff...
[12:32] <WillDuckworth> got me an image packet sent up
[12:32] <daveake> Upu says "Antenna is a pile of shit"
[12:32] <daveake> Also that one has quite a short line
[12:32] <fsphil_MI0VIM> sky is getting dark
[12:33] <daveake> Can we have someone else on PAVA please? Need listeners on that and PIE1 mainly
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[12:33] <number10_M0MDB> cant seem to get PAVA from here - I'll have another go
[12:34] <gonzo_> is anyone managing who listens to what. Rather than us all watching the fun ssdv feed?
[12:34] <LazyL_M0LEP> UAVA is a whole heap stronger ;)
[12:35] <M0UPU> pava has a proper antenna
[12:35] <M0UPU> err uava
[12:35] <LazyL_M0LEP> gonzo_: Not as far as I know. I'm listening to either UAVA or PAVA, depending on which is getting less attention and is still readable...
[12:36] <gonzo_> yep, ditto
[12:36] <gonzo_> have super strong sigs from PIE1 so can alwasy qsy if requested
[12:36] <M0UPU> pava is still going up
[12:36] <daveake> cool
[12:36] <M0UPU> just getting thrown about a bit
[12:38] Action: LazyL_M0LEP is quite willing to be told "Watch this one" ;)
[12:39] <number10_M0MDB> sorry cant decode PAVA from here
[12:41] <G0MJW> Think I will give up on PIE - it is 59+ but changing that web reference stopped it working so there must be something wrong with the autoconfig
[12:41] <WillDuckworth> fair play those ntx's give out quite a clean signal
[12:42] <daveake> PIE1 has an NTX2 btw
[12:43] <WillDuckworth> exacto
[12:44] <WillDuckworth> are you playing the wav out the audio - or another way daveake?
[12:44] <daveake> It's a secret
[12:44] <daveake> lol
[12:44] <gonzo_> the rfm ones seem to be quite buzzy
[12:44] <daveake> Is Buzz's RFM buzzy?
[12:45] <daveake> WillDuckworth http://www.ukhas.org.uk/guides:raspberrypi
[12:45] <daveake> Great seeing the live images come in!
[12:46] <daveake> fsphil take a bow as it's mostly your stuff :)
[12:46] <WillDuckworth> yep - it's really good - well done
[12:46] <jackclark> Images are fantastic daveake
[12:47] <G0MJW> Yes - excellent images - the latest one is great. Black sky, clouds and nearly horizontal
[12:47] <daveake> My patent pending advanced AI algorithm is obviously choosing the most aesthetic images then :p
[12:48] <number10_M0MDB> ;ucky that daveake it missed out taking you with shorts ;)
[12:48] <daveake> Lucky for you lot yes :D
[12:48] <jackclark> There are shorts
[12:48] <daveake> Apparently Upu'd crotch was more "interesting"
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[12:48] <jackclark> And beard
[12:48] <daveake> That's Nicl
[12:48] <daveake> Nick
[12:49] <WillDuckworth> fsphil - is it me or is sanslogic beginning to groan?
[12:50] <M0UPU> my crotch is more interesting
[12:50] <number10_M0MDB> not realy M0UPU ... dont get carried away ;)
[12:51] <G0MJW> Just noticed Pico is heading straight for me. Pity about the 110% cloud cover
[12:53] <M0UPU> is there anyone else who can get pava clearly its getting quiet for me here
[12:53] <G0MJW> I can.
[12:53] <M0UPU> thx
[12:54] <mclane> sanslogic seems to be offline?
[12:54] <daveake> Noo!
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[12:54] <daveake> fsphil ... I've broken your site
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[12:56] <futurity> Hi
[12:56] <futurity> which frequency is PAVA on?
[12:56] <M0UPU> 434.200
[12:56] <number10_M0MDB> 434.200
[12:56] <M0UPU> it isn't a great signal
[12:57] <M0UPU> but you win extra hab points if you can decode it
[12:57] <fsphil_MI0VIM> back,... bacon butties, then a quick bounce on a trampoline :)
[12:57] <daveake> Need you to fix sanslogic ...
[12:57] <daveake> .... it's offline
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[12:57] <G0MJW> Strong here - PAVA but not surprising. Only 35km away
[12:57] <fsphil_MI0VIM> pava still very weak here
[12:57] <jdtanner> Weak here&but it is in the waterfall :)
[12:57] <M0UPU> fsphil_MI0VIM
[12:58] <M0UPU> sanslongic
[12:58] <futurity> PAVA quite faint here
[12:58] <M0UPU> dead
[12:58] <M0UPU> kthx
[12:58] <fsphil_MI0VIM> working here M0UPU
[12:58] <M0UPU> your kit dave
[12:58] <daveake> lol
[12:58] <fsphil_MI0VIM> oh wait
[12:58] <fsphil_MI0VIM> load average: 93.23, 66.11, 31.13
[12:58] <daveake> Is it getting new images still?
[12:58] <LazyL_M0LEP> fsphil_MI0VIM: Ooops!
[12:58] <fsphil_MI0VIM> nope, it's dead
[12:59] <fsphil_MI0VIM> sec
[12:59] <G0MJW> I wonder if that is why none of my packets were getting through to it.
[13:00] <LazyL_M0LEP> Anyone getting BUZZ?
[13:00] <M0UPU> buzz is a backup so don't worry too much about that
[13:00] <daveake> fgsphil Does fldigi keep the images locally?
[13:00] <daveake> Or can it?
[13:01] <LazyL_M0LEP> It seems to have been left behind by UAVA
[13:01] <daveake> Or should I just screen grab them all
[13:01] <M0UPU> if you can try pava would appreciate it
[13:01] <fsphil_MI0VIM> daveake, yes if you go into the dl client config
[13:01] <M0UPU> if you can't get it nps
[13:01] <fsphil_MI0VIM> there's an option to save locally
[13:01] <futurity> Up and running tracking UAVA
[13:01] <fsphil_MI0VIM> also if you're recording the stream the packets can be uploaded later
[13:01] <daveake> any idea where?
[13:02] <daveake> Good thinking
[13:02] <fsphil_MI0VIM> dl client -> enable -> Save Images (tick) and fill in the location
[13:02] <Darkside> damn these hydrogen launches
[13:02] <fsphil_MI0VIM> rebooting
[13:02] <Darkside> getting so high
[13:03] <daveake> Thanks fsphil_poshcallsign
[13:03] <G0MJW> Was it meant to go in a circle?
[13:03] <Darkside> haha
[13:03] <jdtanner> Is PIE1 going up today?
[13:03] <daveake> S shape expected
[13:03] <gonzo_> it saves fuel on recovery!
[13:04] <daveake> PIE1 is up but the GPS is lying
[13:04] <jdtanner> ah...
[13:04] <fsphil_MI0VIM> it's back for now
[13:04] <jdtanner> That is what I get for going to make a brew
[13:04] <jdtanner> a long brew
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[13:04] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I will monitor it closely to see what killed it
[13:04] <LazyL_M0LEP> BUZZ is solid on 434.298
[13:04] <WillDuckworth> chuckle fsphil.
[13:05] <fsphil_MI0VIM> out of memory
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[13:05] <daveake> Have you tried switching it off then on again? :p
[13:05] <fsphil_MI0VIM> just did :)
[13:05] <daveake> lol
[13:05] <fsphil_MI0VIM> it was basically dead
[13:05] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I couldn't login
[13:05] <LazyL_M0LEP> PAVA is faint and wibbly on 434.200
[13:05] <jdtanner> Chrikey&Buzz is coking through loud and clear here!
[13:06] <jdtanner> coming not coking
[13:06] <jdtanner> I need to shut up now
[13:06] <Darkside> coming and coking eh?
[13:06] <Darkside> sounds like a wild launch
[13:06] <LazyL_M0LEP> Can't decode PAVA here at the moment.
[13:06] <jdtanner> Why do I feel like today is a write off :)
[13:07] <G0MJW> Was someone going for an altitude record?
[13:07] <Darkside> daveake: what was PAVA launched with?
[13:07] <daveake> sanslogc now working again cheers:)
[13:07] <Darkside> hwoyee neverburst?
[13:07] <fsphil_MI0VIM> hmm, glitchy packet
[13:07] <daveake> 1600 neverburst
[13:07] <fsphil_MI0VIM> sorry about that - I'll keep an eye on it, it should never have crashed
[13:07] <Darkside> daveake: underfiled?
[13:07] <Darkside> filled*
[13:08] <daveake> A little
[13:08] <Darkside> goddamnit
[13:08] <daveake> Going up quicker than we aimed at
[13:08] <Darkside> heh
[13:08] <fsphil_MI0VIM> 39.4km, whoa
[13:08] <daveake> Approaching Horus 15.5's position at #10
[13:08] <Darkside> well, you have 43.721km to beat
[13:08] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I can hear pie1
[13:09] <daveake> My base station program is showing the live record tables :)
[13:09] <Darkside> lol
[13:09] Action: DanielRichman can hear UAVA with no filter & the antenna that came with the ezcap
[13:09] <Darkside> DanielRichman: not surprised at all :P
[13:09] <Darkside> the issue will be if something strong near you keys up
[13:09] <Darkside> like, pagers
[13:09] <DanielRichman> i cannot however, decode it
[13:09] <Darkside> or whatever
[13:10] <Darkside> ok thats a problem too
[13:10] <DanielRichman> get callsign and part of a latitute
[13:10] <jdtanner> Was there a version of dl-fldigi for OSX to help with SSDV?
[13:10] <DanielRichman> but that's about it ;P
[13:10] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I'm not actually sure jdtanner
[13:10] <DanielRichman> jdtanner: one does not simply build dl-fldigi for osx
[13:10] <fsphil_MI0VIM> lol
[13:10] <Darkside> one simply does
[13:10] <Darkside> i did
[13:10] <jdtanner> lol...
[13:10] <Darkside> jdtanner: i think ssdv is covered
[13:10] <Darkside> track on eof the other payloads
[13:10] <jdtanner> Roger
[13:10] <Darkside> track PAVA
[13:10] <Darkside> only one receiver atm
[13:10] <DanielRichman> ah fair enough Darkside :P
[13:11] <Darkside> DanielRichman: i am, of course, awesome
[13:11] <Darkside> but anyway
[13:11] <WillDuckworth> can't quite decode pava
[13:11] <DanielRichman> Naturally. IIRC the jsoncpp library was causing trouble for james
[13:11] <DanielRichman> but i think it's ok now
[13:11] <daveake> Hey Darkside Upu here
[13:11] <daveake> shit routing on PCB >> Horus :P
[13:12] <jdtanner> I'm not surprised nobody in on pava&she is silent up here
[13:12] <DanielRichman> anyway linux and windows builds are fully automated. zero intervention required
[13:12] <jdtanner> Well, if anyone wants to share their latest OSX build then I'm happy to take it off your hands :)
[13:12] <DanielRichman> press button, get .deb & .exe. If only it was so simple...
[13:12] <Darkside> daveake: tell upu to diaf
[13:12] <daveake> lol
[13:13] <G0MJW> I thought modern macs could run Windows....
[13:13] <Darkside> also we don't use hydrogen yet
[13:13] <fsphil_MI0VIM> the next proper release will have all the proper ssdv bits in it, I'm not changing the on-air format now so it'll be stable
[13:13] <Darkside> G0MJW: some of us have ethical issues regarding that
[13:13] <G0MJW> And linux too
[13:13] <Darkside> linux is a bit harder
[13:13] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I run linux on my old ppc mac mini
[13:14] <fsphil_MI0VIM> actually runs very well
[13:14] <Darkside> ascent rate is slowing on pava..
[13:14] <fsphil_MI0VIM> nice image from pie1
[13:14] <Darkside> looks just like your
[13:14] <G0MJW> What just happened to PAVA? Frequency jumped
[13:14] <daveake> burst ?
[13:15] <Darkside> doppler due to burst i bet
[13:15] <Darkside> or you just bumped the dial
[13:15] <G0MJW> No - still going up
[13:15] <daveake> don't do that to me
[13:15] <Darkside> lol
[13:15] <Darkside> daveake: buzz burst
[13:15] <daveake> it is slowing
[13:15] <fsphil_MI0VIM> lol
[13:15] <G0MJW> But I missed half the packet re-tuning
[13:16] <daveake> if buzz burst something sup as its atteched to the others
[13:16] <Darkside> :P
[13:16] <fsphil_MI0VIM> pie just a little too weak for me
[13:16] <Darkside> nah, buzz lightyears head exploded
[13:16] <Darkside> due to the low pressure
[13:16] <LazyL_M0LEP> It's drifting down quite fast, so I'd guess auto-tune flipped the dial?
[13:16] <fsphil_MI0VIM> that's possible if it's enabled yea
[13:16] <fsphil_MI0VIM> these images are excellent
[13:17] <jdtanner> pava is all over the place
[13:18] <daveake> yeah images from Pi are great
[13:18] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I had by doubts about using a webcam
[13:19] <Darkside> whats dial on pava?
[13:19] <G0MJW> still 200
[13:20] <Darkside> need a bigger antenna
[13:20] <G0MJW> 434.200 that is
[13:20] <WillDuckworth> got some pava action
[13:21] <WillDuckworth> 42723
[13:22] <jdtanner> 434.199
[13:22] <daveake> Some great pictures coming down :)
[13:23] <G0MJW> 42896
[13:23] <fsphil_MI0VIM> !!
[13:23] <G0MJW> 42941
[13:24] <WillDuckworth> dammit - someone's just fired up a lawnmower
[13:24] <fsphil_MI0VIM> aaack
[13:24] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I hate that
[13:24] <daveake> Upu seems quite pleased with http://imgur.com/GWmEB
[13:24] <WillDuckworth> passed the 43k mark
[13:24] <fsphil_MI0VIM> $$PIE1,210,11:26:48,59.51104–-1†3<830,028,0,0,0,0,0.00*dD37Š
[13:24] <fsphil_MI0VIM> almost
[13:25] <fsphil_MI0VIM> lol
[13:25] <G0MJW> 43k
[13:25] <WillDuckworth> dave - is that your dashboard
[13:26] <daveake> Part of, yes
[13:26] <G0MJW> 0x1D is very good
[13:27] <fsphil_MI0VIM> which reminds me, would I be better to print just normal numbers there or hex?
[13:27] <Darkside> brace for either burst of float
[13:27] <G0MJW> It has sort of stopped going up PAVA
[13:27] <Darkside> or*
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[13:28] <daveake> I like 1B
[13:28] <WillDuckworth> slowed ascent right down to that floaty zone
[13:28] <daveake> yup
[13:28] <number10_M0MDB> Ive been nocked down to number6 - not long before I'll be number10
[13:28] <fsphil_MI0VIM> lol
[13:28] <G0MJW> Burst of noise but going zero
[13:28] <fsphil_MI0VIM> so you where planning ahead all this time
[13:28] <WillDuckworth> latest pics look good from pie :)
[13:29] <G0MJW> And up - probably GPS uncertainty
[13:29] <fsphil_MI0VIM> ah, some new callsigns
[13:29] <number10_M0MDB> yes fsphil_MI0VIM, but at least I am still #1 with camera :)
[13:29] <fsphil_MI0VIM> for now :)
[13:29] <fsphil_MI0VIM> oh, did I say that out loud
[13:29] <daveake> Really impressed how well 300 baud is working - thanks all who are doing the SSDV :)
[13:29] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I got a packet!
[13:29] <daveake> 600 next time :D
[13:29] <daveake> Well done fsphil :)
[13:29] <fsphil_MI0VIM> this is so weird
[13:30] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I've never received images from someone elses flight before ;)
[13:30] <WillDuckworth> sharing the love
[13:30] <G0MJW> What happened to the BATC stream?
[13:31] <number10_M0MDB> daveake is too busy looking at his piocs downloadind
[13:31] <daveake> Off
[13:31] <number10_M0MDB> -o
[13:31] <daveake> Upu's doing that
[13:31] <fsphil_MI0VIM> 43337
[13:31] <daveake> It'll be back on for the chase
[13:31] <G0MJW> Yes - excellent pics. Perhaps HD next time!
[13:32] <WillDuckworth> oooh - think it's popped
[13:32] <fsphil_MI0VIM> lol, this is HD
[13:32] <WillDuckworth> pava that is
[13:32] <daveake> Upu: "daaahhhh"
[13:32] <fsphil_MI0VIM> it has!
[13:32] <G0MJW> Yes it has.
[13:32] <daveake> Not a bad result considering the fill was in the rain
[13:33] <G0MJW> Wierdness with the signal but it is 40k now
[13:33] <G0MJW> http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/ssdv/data.php
[13:34] <G0MJW> $$PAVA,99,13:33:2,51.7047146,1.46299,39392,8,6,3,3213*8486
[13:34] <G0MJW> With errors.
[13:35] <fsphil_MI0VIM> nice cloud detail
[13:35] <WillDuckworth> if i can keep on pava and it's quite close i might ask the other half if we can have a 'trip out'
[13:35] <daveake> Surprisngly as we couldn't see any detail from the ground!
[13:36] <daveake> cool
[13:38] <fsphil_MI0VIM> pie1 is getting quieter
[13:39] <daveake> Bit of wind shear I think -soe changes of direction going on.
[13:39] <daveake> It faded out here then came back strong
[13:39] <daveake> I've lost some packets but none lost on the server atm
[13:39] <fsphil_MI0VIM> still a bit weak here .. it's probably sitting at an angle away from me
[13:41] <daveake> Expecting a burst any time now
[13:41] <G0MJW> Should be able to see PI it from here - where did I put that 1W laser pointer?
[13:42] <fsphil_MI0VIM> baked pi
[13:42] <G0MJW> Meanwhile, PAVA is falling slowly on a parachute at 30Km
[13:43] <daveake> That 12" 'chute is obviously too much :p
[13:43] <fsphil_MI0VIM> 34.7, excellent
[13:44] <G0MJW> How hi will pi rise?
[13:44] <daveake> Erm expecting 34km ....
[13:44] <daveake> Maybe the 1200 is the new 1600 :p
[13:44] <daveake> We aimed for 5.5m/s so not expecting great height
[13:44] <number10_M0MDB> got 37.5 from the last one on ANU
[13:45] <LazyL_M0LEP> Hmmm... 35502 ;)
[13:45] <fsphil_MI0VIM> at least Eben doesn't have to eat that hat now
[13:45] <daveake> Yeah but not with 1kg of 3 payloads below ....
[13:45] <fsphil_MI0VIM> fade
[13:45] <G0MJW> It will pass over me within about 500m
[13:45] <fsphil_MI0VIM> big fade
[13:45] <fsphil_MI0VIM> it must be windy up there
[13:46] <fsphil_MI0VIM> you'd wonder how that's even possible
[13:46] <G0MJW> Actually, 200m. Glad there is no payload dropping facility
[13:46] <WillDuckworth> right - going dark for a bit
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[13:47] <Darkside> 43337...
[13:47] <Darkside> grats
[13:47] <daveake> Upu says "thanks" :)
[13:48] <fsphil_MI0VIM> 37km
[13:48] <daveake> wow
[13:48] <daveake> Weren't expecting that!
[13:48] <fsphil_MI0VIM> signals very faint here
[13:48] <daveake> Image 22 looks good
[13:48] <daveake> Hope we get it all :D
[13:49] <fsphil_MI0VIM> yea, burst will upset it likely
[13:49] <G0MJW> Better go back to UAVA
[13:50] <jdtanner> Anyone got a frequency for pava?
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[13:50] <G0MJW> 38km?
[13:51] <LazyL_M0LEP> yep
[13:51] <G0MJW> Yes. PAVA is 434.20045 for me
[13:51] <fsphil_MI0VIM> if it bursts lol
[13:51] <jdtanner> ta&will have a look&nothing here yet :/
[13:52] <jdtanner> Looks like it is just you G0MJW...
[13:52] <G0MJW> I think we need someone near Swindon to track pAVA as I will lose it. Water has again got into the coax!
[13:52] <jdtanner> Really faint here&can just about see something on the waterfall
[13:53] <fsphil_MI0VIM> burst?
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[13:53] <G0MJW> There is a mast head pre-amp, but it is powered through the coax. 12V turns the coax into a battery and tries to charge it with much noise created as a result. Wierd but true.
[13:53] <fsphil_MI0VIM> lol no
[13:53] <fsphil_MI0VIM> 39km
[13:53] <daveake> On a 1200 with 1kg of payloads. Unreal.
[13:53] <fsphil_MI0VIM> that's one high pi
[13:53] <daveake> Steve you might want to stock up on 1200's :p
[13:54] <fsphil_MI0VIM> also the highest live images ever :)
[13:54] <daveake> :D
[13:54] <daveake> Loving 0x22
[13:54] <fsphil_MI0VIM> yea that's my fav so far
[13:55] <fsphil_MI0VIM> bursty
[13:55] <daveake> Burst woohoo :)
[13:55] <daveake> About time :D
[13:55] <fsphil_MI0VIM> what a surprise!
[13:56] <G0MJW> Where did I put my hard hat!
[13:56] <LazyL_M0LEP> Fraction under 40kms
[13:56] <fsphil_MI0VIM> 39994
[13:56] <fsphil_MI0VIM> unbelievable
[13:56] <daveake> it is
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[13:57] <jdtanner> totally lost pava..sorry Upu
[13:57] <daveake> OK ignore PAVA; follow UAVA or BUZZ please
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[13:57] <G0MJW> Dave - you didn't get the parachutes swapped did you?
[13:57] <fsphil_MI0VIM> no packets lost from burst
[13:58] <daveake> Coming down in a nice line then
[13:58] <daveake> ok
[13:58] <daveake> live feed starting soon
[13:58] <daveake> off to the cars!
[13:58] <fsphil_MI0VIM> pie1 at 188m .. it's really in that shed I bet
[13:59] <fsphil_MI0VIM> good luck!
[13:59] <daveake> Shortest drive I've ever had for a recovery :)
[13:59] <fsphil_MI0VIM> lol, that's true
[14:00] <G0MJW> That depends on where it lands. Half way alonng the ridgeway and you won't be happy
[14:01] <fsphil_MI0VIM> looking forward to seeing the images from a big empty field beside a road with adequate parking
[14:01] <LazyL_M0LEP> ;)
[14:01] <G0MJW> I was in Kingston Lisle on Tuesday.
[14:01] <fsphil_MI0VIM> signal's faded here, closing down
[14:01] Nick change: fsphil_MI0VIM -> fsphil
[14:02] <LazyL_M0LEP> Hmmm UAVA has overtaken PAVA on its way down...
[14:03] <G0MJW> Unfortunately the 3G coverage round there is awful so not great for the video.
[14:04] <number10_M0MDB> fsphil: looks like sanslogic down
[14:04] <fsphil> tis
[14:04] <fsphil> should be back now
[14:05] <fsphil> or not
[14:05] <craag> wtf - all local qrm to me just disappeared.
[14:05] <craag> The entire sdr# waterfall is now dark blue, with the RTTY as bright as ever.
[14:07] <fsphil> restarting it again, sorry
[14:09] <craag> I've gone from not-quite getting a decode on UAVA, to getting 100% from PIE!!
[14:10] <meujo> PYSY start !
[14:10] <G0MJW> Moved over to UAVA as it is near the ground.
[14:10] <fsphil> yea.. is it nearby?
[14:11] <G0MJW> Yes - heading for Abingdon. Might be able toget it down to ground.
[14:11] <RocketBoy> Pava is coming down very slowly -4.2m/sec @ 20km = 1.05m/sec at ground level
[14:12] <fsphil> server's back on
[14:12] <G0MJW> That is why I stoped tracking Pava as I can go back to it later.
[14:12] <fsphil> and getting destroyed
[14:13] <G0MJW> No reasoning for that site.
[14:13] <RocketBoy> if there is no other explanation (like a large chute) then it might be a partial burst
[14:14] <number10_M0MDB> chute didnt look that large, 12" maybe
[14:16] <fsphil> I've disabled the live view page for the moment, packets are still being accepted however
[14:16] <RocketBoy> worrying then
[14:16] <G0DJA> Are Buzz and Uava tied together?
[14:17] <number10_M0MDB> yes, buzz uava and pie1
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[14:19] <LazyL_M0LEP> ...and coming down quite fast...
[14:19] <fsphil> daveake_, disabled live view for now, packets still being accepted
[14:19] <daveake_> Do we have a landing prediction?
[14:19] <daveake_> ok
[14:20] <G0DJA> If I'd known Pie1 was on SSTV I'd have had a look for pictures from it
[14:21] <kokey> did PIE1 actually launch?
[14:21] <daveake_> yeah dud GPS
[14:21] <daveake_> Suspect I know why
[14:21] <fsphil> webcam?
[14:21] <kokey> wow, PAVA got quite high
[14:21] <fsphil> they both got really high
[14:22] <fsphil> didn't expect that!
[14:23] <gonzo_> have to shut down here
[14:23] <gonzo_> so may nee another rx on pava?
[14:24] <daveake_> Can someone do me a landing prediction plz?
[14:24] <daveake_> Last I did at home had it landing a bit east of where we are now
[14:24] <fsphil> I've restored the live page for the moment
[14:25] <number10_M0MDB> daveake_: i put current position and as burst in habub, with descent as 7.8 have 51.6827, -1.3131
[14:25] <daveake_> TVM
[14:25] <LazyL_M0LEP> PAVA's on 434.201 but very fadey here...
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[14:26] <G0MJW> Milton Park Dave?
[14:26] <LazyL_M0LEP> I'll try to track it for a bit, but if anybody's nearere...
[14:26] <daveake_> Lots of businesses there
[14:27] <G0MJW> Hope it does not land in the waste skips!
[14:28] <G0MJW> Drayton recycling centre.
[14:28] <daveake_> nice
[14:29] <G0MJW> Sun is coming out too
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[14:30] <G0MJW> You should be able to see it from the car.
[14:30] <daveake_> Tring
[14:30] <daveake_> Trying
[14:30] <LazyL_M0LEP> ;)
[14:30] <M0UPU> The clouds are all we're seeing
[14:31] <LazyL_M0LEP> Rear-view mirror time. ;)
[14:32] <daveake_> :)
[14:32] <daveake_> Still expected to come up here?
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[14:32] <daveake_> We passed it
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[14:33] <M0UPU> daveake and upu are strategising
[14:34] <M0UPU> We're going after it again
[14:35] <M0UPU> ...
[14:35] <LazyL_M0LEP> Back down the A34 one junction, then right, then left ... ;)
[14:36] <G0DJA> Which stream is the video on please?
[14:37] <LazyL_M0LEP> It'll be in a tree beside a lane, like as not...
[14:37] <daveake_> Yeah, should have stayed where we were :)
[14:37] <G0MJW> On the ground. Still receiving it.
[14:38] <daveake_> It's a loooong train
[14:38] <G0MJW> Nice place to land - right next to the road. No should I go and pinch it before Dave gets there?
[14:38] <daveake_> lol
[14:38] <LazyL_M0LEP> G0MJW: Just a little more, and it'd have been in your garden ;)
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[14:39] <G0MJW> Yes - also getting the 300 baud.
[14:40] <fsphil> what's the images showing?
[14:40] <LazyL_M0LEP> Mind, a little more in the wrong direction, and it'd have been in Harwell. ;)
[14:41] <G0MJW> don't know yet. Only got one packet.
[14:41] <LazyL_M0LEP> Meanwhile, PAVA's still 13kms up...
[14:41] <G0MJW> Looks likelong grass
[14:41] <fsphil> trying to get the server in a working state
[14:41] <fsphil> it's not happy at all
[14:41] <LazyL_M0LEP> Yay. On the ground, not up a tree. ;)
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[14:43] <G0MJW> Chase cars are at it now
[14:43] <WillDMobile> Stuck in traffic in chelt. How's the pi
[14:44] <fsphil> that looks a bit treey
[14:44] <M0UPU> seen
[14:45] <fsphil> I see blue sky
[14:45] <LazyL_M0LEP> Uh oh...
[14:45] <fsphil> http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/ssdv/images/2012-07-14--15-43-41-PIE1-2C.jpeg
[14:45] <G0MJW> How come?
[14:45] <fsphil> no that's grass
[14:45] <fsphil> phew
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[14:45] <fsphil> it's on the gorund
[14:45] <fsphil> ground
[14:45] <LazyL_M0LEP> ;)
[14:45] <LazyL_M0LEP> Grass is good!
[14:46] <fsphil> you can refresh that image
[14:46] <fsphil> it's being updated by G0MJW
[14:46] <G0MJW> Server's had too much Pi, sorry! Images will be restored shortly.
[14:47] <fsphil> live page is back on
[14:47] <fsphil> refresh
[14:47] <G0MJW> Did - signal is a bit weak.
[14:47] <fsphil> still decoding
[14:47] <fsphil> quite long grass
[14:48] <LazyL_M0LEP> Meanwhile... Anyone getting a better signal from PAVA than the wibbley one I'm getting?
[14:48] <G0MJW> About 50% packet loss. Yes. It is in a field. Dave is there too so we might get a mugshot next
[14:48] <fsphil> how far are you from it G0MJW?
[14:48] <LazyL_M0LEP> PAVA's on 434.201
[14:48] <G0MJW> Couple of miles
[14:49] <fsphil> not bad
[14:50] <WillDMobile> Cheers lazyl
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[14:54] <fsphil> more grass
[14:55] <G0MJW> Same image - it has not moved.
[14:55] <G0MJW> How is pAVA
[14:56] <LazyL_M0LEP> Still at 11.5kms, drifting east, and wibbling lots...
[14:56] <M1ELR> Clearing off now, great work everyone, see you next time. Bye.
[14:56] <LazyL_M0LEP> 139kms from me at last fix.
[14:56] <fsphil> cya M1ELR
[14:57] <LazyL_M0LEP> 343.201 on the disl
[14:57] <LazyL_M0LEP> 434.201 even...
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[14:57] <G0MJW> Heading back then - less driving for Dave
[14:57] <M0UPU> recovered
[14:57] <M0UPU> it had a gopro btw
[14:57] <fsphil> sweet
[14:57] <G0MJW> A what?
[14:58] <fsphil> HD camera
[14:58] <M0UPU> football field
[14:58] <fsphil> very long grass for a football field
[14:58] <G0MJW> Signal is a bit variable.
[14:58] <LazyL_M0LEP> Hasn't been mown since end of season?
[14:58] <fsphil> that'll be the daveake effect
[14:59] <G0MJW> Is there RS coding?
[14:59] <LazyL_M0LEP> PAVA's signal is more than a bit wibbly ;)
[14:59] <fsphil> G0DJA, yea
[14:59] <fsphil> er, G0MJW yea
[14:59] <fsphil> callsigns and tab completion don't mix :)
[14:59] <G0MJW> Excellent. I was keen on that.
[14:59] <G0MJW> Every packet has some fixes.
[15:00] <G0MJW> Lost one.....
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[15:00] <G0MJW> Lost another. I presume it is being recared
[15:00] <fsphil> dave got it
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[15:01] <G0MJW> Well he would!
[15:01] <fsphil> lol
[15:01] <fsphil> you'd hope so
[15:01] <M0UPU> is pava still up ?
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[15:01] <G0MJW> Dave can come for a cup of tea but I expect he wants to recover PAVA.
[15:01] <mattbrejza> M0UPU: 10km
[15:02] <fsphil> slowest descent ever?
[15:02] <daveake_> lol
[15:03] <daveake_> That was a 12" chute
[15:03] <fsphil> aah, with that tiny payload
[15:03] <LazyL_M0LEP> What's the payload weigh?
[15:03] <daveake_> Yu
[15:03] <G0MJW> I see from the map it is coming back too
[15:03] <daveake_> p
[15:03] <RocketBoy> gotta be a holein the balloon
[15:03] <RocketBoy> hole
[15:03] <fsphil> just wait until it catches a thermal
[15:03] <G0MJW> Or a leak - that might re-seal...
[15:04] <RocketBoy> slighlt worried about a bag of hydrogen landing somewhere it shouldn't
[15:04] <M0UPU> pretty sure its burst Steve
[15:04] <LazyL_M0LEP> Initial descent looks too fast for it to have any balloon left...
[15:05] <fsphil> yea, it wouldn't have dropped so quickly initially if it hasn't burst
[15:05] <M0UPU> yeah its not a leak
[15:05] <fsphil> it was probably a clean burst, no balloon left attached at all
[15:05] <M0UPU> the payload fell <5m/s with no chute
[15:05] <daveake_> Wasn't expecting to launch and recover a second balloon, with 3 payloads, before the first balloon lands!
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[15:07] <G0MJW> You shuld make them all come back to base.
[15:07] <M0UPU> Does anyone have a prediction for pava?
[15:07] <G0MJW> It will land
[15:08] <LazyL_M0LEP> ...probably.
[15:08] <fsphil> can the live predictor be turned on?
[15:08] <G0MJW> What happened to the BATC video. Must be 3G in Milton.
[15:09] <M0UPU> I needed the usb port
[15:09] <G0MJW> Ah.
[15:09] <G0MJW> Different picture now.
[15:10] <M0UPU> batc back
[15:10] <fsphil> upside down ground
[15:10] <G0MJW> Can we see the balloon?
[15:10] <number10> M0UPU: 51.7908 -1.3160
[15:11] <M0UPU> what balloon bt yes 1 sec
[15:11] <G0MJW> What's left of it!
[15:12] <G0MJW> Very good. What about the payloads?
[15:12] <M0UPU> all recovered
[15:12] <daveake_> Cleanest burst I ever did see
[15:12] <number10> M0UPU: prediction ^^
[15:13] <M0UPU> just sat at moment
[15:13] <M0UPU> nice day
[15:14] <M0UPU> Pi is hanging in a tree (on purpose)
[15:14] <G0MJW> Yes. Might try and see if water can be removed from feeder again.
[15:14] <M0UPU> sending pics
[15:14] <G0MJW> It is upside down.
[15:15] <M0UPU> its ok now
[15:15] <M0UPU> its been ok for 6 mins :)
[15:15] <G0MJW> I had to change to LSB
[15:15] <fsphil> nice row of trees
[15:17] <M0UPU> pi is in the tree
[15:17] <G0MJW> Raspberry bush?
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[15:19] <futurity> Hi All, on the map, is UAVA and PAVA shown the wrong way around?
[15:19] <futurity> no, its me
[15:19] <futurity> lol
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[15:21] <futurity> Does anyone know what the highest point of UAVA was? managed to decode 39,994
[15:22] <M0UPU> something like that
[15:22] <M0UPU> was meant to burst at 33km
[15:22] <M0UPU> hah
[15:23] <fsphil> madness
[15:23] <G0MJW> Back to Pava I think
[15:23] <fsphil> yea
[15:23] <daveake_> If Carlsberg did HAB days ....
[15:24] <WillDMobile> Am i right in thinking pava may have another hour in the air?
[15:24] <M0UPU> yes
[15:24] <M0UPU> hey will
[15:24] <M0UPU> you chasing ?
[15:25] <WillDMobile> On the off chance im in the right place, missus distracted in burton on water
[15:25] <LazyL_M0LEP> ;)
[15:25] <G0MJW> pAVA is really strong here.
[15:25] <LazyL_M0LEP> Pretty place, if it's not overly deepin water...
[15:26] <WillDMobile> R u on the move this way upu?
[15:26] <M0UPU> will move shortly
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[15:26] Action: LazyL_M0LEP is getting about one line in six from PAVA
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[15:28] <daveake_> 3 horses in the field next to us
[15:28] <daveake_> 1 white
[15:28] <daveake_> 1 brown
[15:28] <fsphil> please don't say 1 is pink
[15:29] <daveake_> 1 Uputastic pink
[15:29] <daveake_> pink coat
[15:29] <fsphil> the poor thing :)
[15:29] <daveake_> I have a photo :)
[15:29] <daveake_> Yeah
[15:29] <WillDMobile> Dont think we'll chase all the way over to the m40 but will try to stay within reception
[15:29] <fsphil> that explains the long face
[15:30] <G0MJW> Looks like it is heading for Bicester.
[15:32] <daveake_> lol fsphil
[15:34] <LazyL_M0LEP> If PI's path is any guide, PAVA should turn south as it descends, so should end up closer to you than the M40...
[15:34] <G0MJW> BTW - why is PAVA not showing as having burst?
[15:34] <daveake_> probably because it's coming down so slowly?
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[15:35] <LazyL_M0LEP> It was for a while, but then it slowed down so much...
[15:36] <M0UPU> its a 65g padded payload that falls < 5m/s with no cute and it has a 12" chute on it
[15:37] <LazyL_M0LEP> ...so the slightest up-draft will take it back up again. ;)
[15:39] <fsphil> bit late, but I've got the site running faster
[15:40] <daveake_> :D
[15:40] <fsphil> the query for new image data was very slow, rewrote it.
[15:40] <fsphil> what was happening was those queries where not completing before the next wave started
[15:41] <fsphil> the overall number of queries just kept rising until the server decided enough was enough
[15:42] <fsphil> this and better caching should prevent that happening again
[15:43] <fsphil> that is a really nice landing spot
[15:43] <fsphil> even the trees are a friendly height
[15:44] <G0DJA> Chucking it down here again
[15:45] <WillDMobile> Not too much battery left here so will trundle once it goes
[15:46] <fsphil> 6km up
[15:46] <daveake_> fsphil Good work :)
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[15:52] <WillDMobile> Right, im out of juice. Good luck on pava recovery
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[16:03] <M0UPU> We're heading to the \north of Oxford
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[16:19] <LazyL_M0LEP> Oh. Sudden down-draft for PAVA...
[16:19] <LazyL_M0LEP> It's showing a chute again...
[16:20] <fsphil> could be in the clouds
[16:25] <M0UPU> closing in
[16:26] <G0MJW> It just went off air.
[16:27] <G0MJW> $$PAVA,1532,6:23,51.8431806,-1.6 @L(v
[16:27] <junderwood> That was a bit abrupt
[16:28] <junderwood> µ
[16:28] <G0MJW> A34!
[16:28] <fsphil> uhoh
[16:28] <junderwood> $PAVA,1532,16:2$R
[16:28] <LazyL_M0LEP> Oops....
[16:28] <junderwood> Quite busy there
[16:29] <G0MJW> At 471m? I wonder if there was an issue with the altitude?
[16:29] <junderwood> Probably cleared it, though
[16:29] <fsphil> it looks like it cleared it
[16:29] <fsphil> don't see any power lines
[16:29] <G0MJW> It was dropping fast.
[16:29] <junderwood> Ground level is only about 120m
[16:29] <G0MJW> Two readings the same as well, lets assume second is wrong.
[16:30] <G0MJW> $$PAVA,1529,16:25:25,51.8440042,-1.2370439,617,11,63,3104*ED14 $$PAVA,1530,16:25:44,51.8437711,-1.2364512,471,11,6,3,3143*475B $$PAVA,1531,16:26:04,51.8437711,-1.2364512,471,11,6,0,3166*843A
[16:31] <junderwood> Not sure how you would get to it.
[16:31] <G0MJW> On foor
[16:31] <junderwood> Maybe park in the southbound layby and jump across the hedge
[16:31] <G0MJW> foot
[16:33] <M0UPU> yagi time
[16:33] <G0MJW> Can you hear it?
[16:33] <M0UPU> not atm
[16:33] <junderwood> I would head for the layby on the A34.
[16:33] <M0UPU> upu's hooking up the yagi
[16:33] <junderwood> The road is higher than the surrounding land if I remember correctly
[16:33] <G0MJW> I have a feeling it got caught in traffic turbulence and got run over.
[16:34] <G0MJW> But it was going down at 8m/s which is higer than it should be.
[16:35] <M0UPU> It suddenly started falling faster from 3km or so
[16:35] <G0MJW> Oh - sorry I was out fixing the feeder. Perhaps it is raining and it got wet and heavy
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[16:51] <number10> daveake s car just did a hyperspace jump
[16:51] <LazyLeopard> Oh?
[16:51] <M0UPU> We've got some signal on the yagi
[16:52] <LazyLeopard> What's that installation they're parked outside?
[16:53] <M0UPU> I think they just got a location
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[16:53] <G0MJW> I have just been looking at the last data I got, I would say it is near that tree 51.8431806,-1.236
[16:53] <M0UPU> sheep farm
[16:54] <M0UPU> With a big dence around it and wome weird buildings
[16:54] <M0UPU> fence
[16:55] <G0MJW> Getting a location?
[16:55] <LazyLeopard> Methinks the sheep are there to keep the grass short... The weird buildings are... weird... and not particularly agricultural-looking...
[16:55] <M0UPU> They can hear the signal but haven't got a full decode yet
[16:56] <M0UPU> It's owned by AMCO
[16:56] <G0MJW> I would think it is in that trowel shaped field
[16:56] <M0UPU> Has a lot of asbestos apparently
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[16:58] <G0MJW> Perhaps it is part of the Diamond farm?
[16:59] <M0UPU> Dave and Upu are wandering down the road...
[16:59] <M0UPU> I think they've got a location
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[16:59] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... Drilling test site, at a guess.
[17:02] <LazyLeopard> ...or possibly something a little louder. Some of those buildings look more like bunkers than barns...
[17:04] <LazyLeopard> ...and there used to be a railway siding going into the area, too. ;)
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[17:04] <M0UPU> The watch towers don't look very farmlike
[17:06] <LazyLeopard> Heh: http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/60782-GPSS-Fuel-Storage-Depot-Islip
[17:08] <G0MJW> Looks like they are heading for the underpass.
[17:08] <M0UPU> got a decode
[17:08] <junderwood> saw that
[17:08] <G0MJW> Hy - that is where I sait it was!
[17:08] <junderwood> Right in the middle of the field
[17:09] <M0UPU> There's a peacock
[17:09] <junderwood> Found that field on another map :)
[17:09] <junderwood> http://www.shoothill.com/flood/
[17:09] <G0MJW> What - the resevoir South of the landing site?
[17:10] <M0UPU> There's no access
[17:10] <junderwood> Through the underpass?
[17:11] <junderwood> I'm not convinced it is an underpass. I think it's a road which used to be there until they built the A34
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[17:11] <junderwood> I think your best bet is to park in the layby on the southbound A34
[17:12] <daveake__> OK, not accessible from here
[17:12] <daveake__> Upu's called it off - long way for a cheap tracker
[17:12] <daveake__> So we're off home now
[17:12] <G0MJW> Up a34 about 1km and off at the next junction. Come back South, there is a lane
[17:12] <number10> need to head to Rowles farm
[17:13] <daveake__> It is also pissing down
[17:13] <number10> take footpath south from there
[17:13] <junderwood> It will blow over in 5 minutes
[17:13] <number10> take coat :)
[17:13] <daveake__> OK, so did you say N on the A34?
[17:13] <G0MJW> Or park in the layby and hop over the hedge.
[17:14] <daveake__> Have shorts will travel
[17:14] <number10> what is you current pos daveake__ ?
[17:14] <daveake__> OK so A34 N, U-turn, stop in layby?
[17:14] <junderwood> Southbound A34. There is a layby just over the hedge
[17:14] <junderwood> Yes
[17:14] <daveake__> OK ta
[17:14] <G0MJW> yes but it is complicated. B430 then there is a roundabout, go right
[17:15] <daveake__> Well I can get to A34 N or S from here easily
[17:15] <daveake__> It's N of us so I need to go N past it then turn round
[17:15] <junderwood> Take A34N until the next junction
[17:15] <daveake__> OK
[17:15] <G0MJW> You need to go North first to get on teh Sounthbound side.
[17:15] <junderwood> Then take the Weston-on the green turning and follow A34 south
[17:16] <daveake__> We have the position in the car PC and that will show a compass/distance for us
[17:16] <daveake__> So I should know when to stop in the layby :p
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[17:16] <daveake__> OK back on the road again ....
[17:16] <daveake__> And now it's really chuycking it down
[17:16] <G0MJW> Its not far after you rejoin.
[17:17] <junderwood> It will have stopped raining by the time you get there (acording to the radar)
[17:17] <G0MJW> The green bin looks a good place to stop
[17:18] <junderwood> The layby is just after the Little Chef and petrol station (which I think is being rebuilt)
[17:19] <G0MJW> Yes, just after the Western on the Green junction, the one I take to avoid J9 on the M40. Best route usually
[17:19] <G0MJW> Getting onto the A34 South is a bit confusing but once you have done it once.
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[17:22] <G0MJW> Bingo
[17:22] <M0UPU> still going for it Dave ? :)
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[17:23] <junderwood> another 50 yds
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[17:23] <daveake__> Need a boat lol
[17:23] <fsphil> that field flooded?
[17:23] <number10> i know someone who has one daveake__
[17:23] <junderwood> daveake, another 50 yds then deploy the Zodiac
[17:23] <M0UPU> going to get wet
[17:24] <G0MJW> Waterproof.
[17:24] <daveake__> I'm staying here till this passes :)
[17:24] <fsphil> it's for science daveake__ !
[17:24] <G0MJW> BATC feed?
[17:24] <daveake__> Sod science
[17:24] <fsphil> lol
[17:24] <number10> nonot beans again daveake__
[17:24] <daveake__> Can do
[17:24] <fsphil> oh dear
[17:25] <M0UPU> gopro was steamed up
[17:25] <G0MJW> You need to move to the next green bin
[17:25] <fsphil> M0UPU, all the way?
[17:26] <M0UPU> not sure
[17:26] <daveake__> moved :)
[17:26] <M0UPU> will check ok I'm setting off
[17:27] <daveake__> Have a nice drive :)
[17:27] <M0UPU> will when I stop at some services
[17:27] <G0MJW> You ought to be able to see it - once outside.
[17:27] <M0UPU> good luck daveake :)
[17:27] <daveake__> ok
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[17:27] <daveake__> Just sat here enjoying the summer
[17:27] <daveake__> We have chocolate
[17:27] <fsphil> hope you brought your summer cloths
[17:27] <fsphil> coat, wellies, boat
[17:27] <G0MJW> Better put the lights on - going dark here.
[17:28] <daveake__> They're on
[17:28] <daveake__> All this rain ....
[17:28] <daveake__> ..... makes me need a peeeee...
[17:29] <G0MJW> I meant the lights in the house
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[17:29] <fsphil> now where's my server gone
[17:29] <NSS> Tom?
[17:30] <WJ9H> Hi Joe
[17:31] <NSS> Ok, hold on a sec I'll fire up da payload. BRB
[17:31] <WJ9H> Standing by DE WJ9H
[17:31] <fsphil> you guys launching?
[17:31] <WJ9H> Just testing
[17:34] <WJ9H> Joe, I see KB9KHO_B plotted as of 17:33:15.
[17:34] <NSS> running
[17:34] <NSS> yup.
[17:34] <NSS> cool you can see it here comes another
[17:34] <WJ9H> What's the frequency, I want to check HF...I know it's a long shot.
[17:35] <NSS> -34 or -43 dbm? real long shot but 10.145 USB and 1600 in waterfall
[17:36] <NSS> I see the altitude graph is plotting too,
[17:36] <WJ9H> OK, I loaded KB9KHO and hit autoconfigure. How often does it beacon?
[17:36] <NSS> 1 a min
[17:37] <NSS> if you hear this thats crazy
[17:37] <WJ9H> I got nothin. At least I know *how* to monitor on RF now.
[17:37] <daveake__> This rain is quite pissistant
[17:38] <WJ9H> Besides your home station, will there be other stations trying on HF to feed the tracking site?
[17:38] <NSS> yeah, all that is holding back launch is Steve or Brad to swap out the final, I'm too shaky anymore to do super micro surface mount stuff.
[17:38] <daveake__> I think we may need to break out the dolly mixture
[17:39] <NSS> yup thats the plan thats whats cool about this mode they do not HAVE to be locals, Of course us locals can like regular aprs send in reports, but anyone with propagation like in california can send in reports.
[17:39] <NSS> dolly mixture?
[17:40] <number10> daveake__: are the food supplies in one of those plastic boxes similar to the payload and chase boxes?
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[17:41] <NSS> OK Tom well at least I know you are capable. not to get the rest on board. I'm gonna run, and shut her down. Thanks for the test. see ya later. Joe
[17:41] <number10> its a uk think NSS
[17:42] <WJ9H> Looking forward to this flight. I hope it occurs on a day when I can participate. Work scheduling has been very random lately with lots of weekend holes to fill.
[17:42] <number10> g
[17:42] <daveake__> number10 Little plastic bags
[17:42] <NSS> what hours
[17:42] <WJ9H> Thanks for the test Joe -73- WJ9H QRT
[17:42] <daveake__> NSS dolly mixture random soft candy selection
[17:42] <NSS> yum
[17:42] <number10> lots of little plastic bags in one of those big boxes
[17:43] <WJ9H> (Hours all over the place...6pm to 4am tonight)
[17:43] <NSS> that sucks, 73
[17:43] <daveake__> Hope the rain stops soon - this is our last bag
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[17:44] <G0MJW> It has to stop raining eventually.
[17:44] <daveake__> true
[17:44] <daveake__> If it doesn't improve in 10 mins I'll just go for it
[17:45] <daveake__> It's not as bad as earlier
[17:45] <daveake__> which was more like Niagara than Oxfordshire
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[17:48] <navrac2> my wife thinks we are mad calling this a 'hobby' , sitting in a car on the A34 in the rain doesnt meet her definition of a hobby
[17:49] <number10> did you tell her about the dolly mixtures though navrac
[17:49] <G0MJW> She thinks a hobby is what then?
[17:49] <fsphil> that's important
[17:51] <G0DJA> Is there likely to be another flight today?
[17:51] <daveake__> Not from me :D
[17:51] <fsphil> nah
[17:51] <fsphil> that's it
[17:51] <navrac2> she might be tempted by jelly beans though
[17:52] <fsphil> lol
[17:52] <navrac2> I'll find ot tomorrow - I'm goingto launch ozzie3 in the morning
[17:52] <daveake__> I'll leave my aerial up then
[17:53] <navrac2> and if it busrsts as soon as I expect we'll be sitting by the beach in Aldeburgh waiting for it to drift home
[17:53] <number10> just took my one down
[17:53] <daveake__> Though at this rate I could be tracking from a layby on the A34 ....
[17:54] <fsphil> we'll arrange some food to be brought to you
[17:54] <number10> thats not the layby on the A34 where all those young couples go by any chance daveake__ ;)
[17:54] <fsphil> maybe a couple of dvds
[17:54] <daveake__> Thanks
[17:54] <daveake__> email the menu and I'll tick what we want
[17:55] <daveake__> Perfect Storm
[17:55] <daveake__> Rain Man
[17:55] <fsphil> Twister
[17:55] <daveake__> number10 No idea lol
[17:55] <fsphil> nah, wrong weather phenomenon
[17:56] <navrac2> Lots of music on cd's too
[17:56] <navrac2> 'here comes the flood'
[17:56] <navrac2> 'why does it always rain on me'
[17:57] <daveake__> "I can see clearly now the rain has gone"
[17:57] <daveake__> That would be goof
[17:57] <daveake__> d
[17:57] <daveake__> Umberella ella ella
[17:57] <G0MJW> Drowning in Berlin? Quite appropriate for your current state.
[17:58] <navrac2> here comes the rain again
[17:58] <G0MJW> Hard Rain
[17:59] <daveake__> lol
[17:59] <x-f> raindrops keep falling on me
[17:59] <G0MJW> singing in the....
[18:00] <daveake__> Who was it that lied about the radar saying the rain would be gone in 5 minutes? :p
[18:00] <navrac2> or anything by wet wet wet
[18:00] <G0MJW> Purple Rain, Red Rain, Summer Rain, Autumn Rain
[18:01] <G0MJW> In the early morning rain... We seem to have a lot of songs about rain.
[18:01] <navrac2> talking of wet, I've got to bath the dog. Which means Iseem to get wetter than the dog
[18:01] <fsphil> The rain in Spain falls mainly on the A34
[18:02] <G0MJW> Flowers in the rain...
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[18:04] <Upuiphone> hello just sat habing so
[18:04] <Upuiphone> no
[18:04] <Upuiphone> having some food
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[18:04] <daveake__> Rain ain't stopping ...
[18:04] <daveake__> ... so pac-a-mac it is ....
[18:05] <daveake__> ... send search party if I'm not back in 10 :)
[18:05] <Upuiphone> lol its stopped about 20 miles north
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[18:05] <G0DJA> I don't know why, there are clouds up in the sky, Stormy weather.
[18:05] <Upuiphone> is it still xmitting ?
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[18:07] <Upuiphone> what a great day
[18:07] <G0DJA> Or, as my Dad used to sing it "I don't know why, there's no peas in apple pie"
[18:08] <Upuiphone> thanks for tracking everyone
[18:08] <fsphil> I would call all flights a big success
[18:08] <G0DJA> Which one is still flying?
[18:08] <Upuiphone> none
[18:08] <fsphil> they're all down
[18:08] <Upuiphone> pava is in a fueld
[18:08] <G0DJA> Ah
[18:09] <Upuiphone> interested to know what that increased decent was all about
[18:09] <daveake__> julie here. David gone down the embankment and I can't see him so guess he's other side of fence in the paddy field
[18:10] <Upuiphone> hi Julie dont let him do anything daft
[18:11] <fsphil> my guess is the parachute got wet
[18:11] <Upuiphone> or tangled
[18:11] <fsphil> yea
[18:11] <Upuiphone> it was a plastic one
[18:11] <fsphil> turbulent air in the clouds
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[18:13] <number10> daveake__: Julie, Ros says hello!
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[18:14] <daveake__> hi Ros. David back but not been able to see payload as overgrown
[18:14] <daveake__> It's a jungle out there
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[18:14] <daveake__> 6' tall stuff
[18:14] <G0MJW> Rain forest?
[18:14] <daveake__> yeah haha
[18:14] <daveake__> :)
[18:15] <fsphil> lol
[18:15] <Upuiphone> ok thx for trying
[18:15] <Upuiphone> going qrt
[18:15] <daveake__> I'm trying again ...
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[18:15] <daveake__> .... this time with the phone as a satnac
[18:15] <daveake__> v
[18:15] <fsphil> good thinking
[18:15] <number10> dont do an Oats on us daveake__
[18:16] <daveake__> Oats?
[18:16] <number10> captain
[18:16] <G0MJW> He may be some time
[18:16] <number10> probably needs an e
[18:17] <number10> as in Oates
[18:21] <daveake__> Well, he's gone again. This time WITH his phone as a GPS.
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[18:24] <gonzo_> were you still getting data from PIE whilst on the ground mike?
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[18:26] <G0MJW> PI - Yes.
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[18:27] <G0MJW> Never managed to get much when it was in the air mind you.
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[18:39] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[18:41] <fsphil> evening mr K
[18:41] <daveake___> Payload's recovered
[18:42] <daveake___> It'll be at least 10 minutes before I have
[18:42] <navrac2> well done
[18:42] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[18:42] <daveake___> I'm nucking fackered
[18:42] <Lunar_Lander> daveake___, COOL, what flight did we have?
[18:42] <daveake___> 5-6 feet high green stuff
[18:42] <navrac2> heater on full, windows cracked open
[18:42] <daveake___> That grabs your ankles as you walk through
[18:42] <daveake___> done :)
[18:43] <daveake___> From the easiest recovery ever, to the hardest :p
[18:43] <G0MJW> So - what news of the payload and chute?
[18:43] <Lunar_Lander> cool, did PAVA get the record?
[18:43] <daveake___> I think Upu owes me a few beers :D
[18:43] <daveake___> Just a big mess of latex
[18:44] <daveake___> PAVA got the record for the slowest descent, probably :)
[18:44] <daveake___> I assume the latex made a chute-type shape then broke
[18:45] <daveake___> Right, off home.
[18:45] <G0MJW> Ah ha
[18:46] <Lunar_Lander> hi fsphil
[18:46] <fsphil> that would explain it
[18:46] <G0MJW> Well done. Pnumonia is easily cured with a slice of lemon and some honey.
[18:46] <fsphil> nice one daveake___
[18:46] <fsphil> now please report to the nearest A+E
[18:48] <junderwood> ... and consider turning off your tracker if you're going to drive much faster.
[18:49] Nick change: daveake___ -> julieake
[18:50] <julieake> One well wet through David is insisting on driving home. nd the rain is getting heavy again so just as well he's back.
[18:51] <fsphil> I got really wet feet the last recovery I did, it's no fun
[18:52] <julieake> Got a good photo of him coming back through the undergrowth
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[18:54] <Lunar_Lander> julieake, hello, I am a good friend of Dave and I just wanted to say hello
[18:54] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[18:55] <julieake> LO LL
[18:57] <MrScienceMan> el ol fffffffffff'in el
[18:57] <navrac2> you want to watch that LL
[18:58] <Lunar_Lander> navrac2, =
[18:58] <Lunar_Lander> ?
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[18:58] <fsphil> we cloned navrac
[18:58] <MrScienceMan> did you make him better faster stronger?
[18:58] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[18:58] <fsphil> ack, I knew we forgot something
[18:59] <navrac2> slower, drunker and fatter more like
[18:59] <Lunar_Lander> :D
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[19:02] <Lunar_Lander> today one of my teammates drew a circuit diagram of our board!
[19:02] <Lunar_Lander> and then I labelled it in GIMP
[19:02] <Lunar_Lander> that is the result http://s.gullipics.com/image/7/6/t/5ztof4-jamavn-jip2/rnenIIPreliminaryCircuitPlan14072012.jpeg
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[19:18] <Lunar_Lander> any opinions?
[19:19] <fsphil> databases should be banned
[19:20] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:21] <fsphil> trying to make it faster but it ended up making it slower
[19:21] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:21] <Lunar_Lander> and the thing with my circuit plan?
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[19:23] <daveake> Back home :-)
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[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> wb daveake
[19:24] <daveake> The bath is filling with hot water and Radox Muscle Soak :D
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> XD what is that?
[19:25] <daveake> stuff for relaxing your muscles?
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:25] <daveake> The name is a clue
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> daveake, have a look at this
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> http://s.gullipics.com/image/7/6/t/5ztof4-jamavn-jip2/rnenIIPreliminaryCircuitPlan14072012.jpeg
[19:26] <daveake> WTF is that?
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> stripboard layout for my balloon
[19:27] <daveake> Looks ... well, difficult to decipher
[19:27] <Lunar_Lander> yea, well it was made by one of my teammates
[19:27] <BrainDamage> you have a problem: you have to design a circuit layout, you decide to use a stripboard, now you have 2 problems
[19:27] <Lunar_Lander> yes?
[19:27] <daveake> Find another teammate
[19:27] <daveake> Seriously
[19:28] <daveake> Anyway, I need rest, bye
[19:28] <BrainDamage> that thing is a mess
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[19:32] <Hiena> Actually, the messes is what usually works.
[19:34] <Lunar_Lander> BrainDamage, currently making a diagram in EAGLE
[19:34] <Lunar_Lander> BrainDamage, but could you say again why I have 2 problems?
[19:35] <BrainDamage> because I never found stripboards simplifying layouts except in very few cases
[19:35] <BrainDamage> where there's tons of stuff in parallel
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[19:35] <BrainDamage> perfboard usually is simpler
[19:36] <BrainDamage> altough slightly less mechanically resistant
[19:36] <BrainDamage> due to the wires
[19:36] <Lunar_Lander> ok
[19:37] <BrainDamage> http://www.home-wrecker.com/uglyperf-bottom.jpg
[19:37] <BrainDamage> this is how a perboard layout looks
[19:37] <BrainDamage> you solder the wires to connect the pads yourself instead of relying on premade strips to cut
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[19:43] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[19:43] <Lunar_Lander> so my board failed already?
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[19:46] <Lunar_Lander> or what
[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> can I go to the lab on monday and simply throw it in the trash?
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[19:50] <Lunar_Lander> well thanks for letting me know
[19:50] <Lunar_Lander> thanks BrainDamage
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[19:52] <BrainDamage> your board might work
[19:52] <BrainDamage> it's hard to tell from that design
[19:52] <BrainDamage> connections are nonobvious
[19:52] <BrainDamage> what represents what
[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> wait
[19:52] <BrainDamage> but I'm suggesting that if you have to make another board
[19:53] <BrainDamage> consider a perfboard instead
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[19:53] <Lunar_Lander> ok
[19:53] <Lunar_Lander> that also would spare having to cut tracks, right?
[19:54] <BrainDamage> yes
[19:54] <Lunar_Lander> I drew a crude sketch that looked like an eagle schematic
[19:54] <Lunar_Lander> here it is http://s.gullipics.com/image/3/b/b/5ztof4-jamhrx-peqo/Bildschirmfotovom20120714215322.png
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[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> what do you think?
[19:57] <MrScienceMan> exercise drawing straight lines
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[19:57] <Randomskk> maybe draw it in eagle
[19:57] <BrainDamage> looks normal, there's not much to it, the only thing I don't know is the R network for the NTX2, since I don't know the datasheet by heart
[19:58] <MrScienceMan> thats the one from ukhas wiki
[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> Randomskk, yeah I began with that, the problem is that the NTX2 and the various sensors aren't represented in the libraries I got
[19:59] <Randomskk> it's not hard to add your own parts
[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:00] <Lunar_Lander> SFE made a tutorial about that I think
[20:00] <Lunar_Lander> another work to the first diagram
[20:00] <Lunar_Lander> her idea was to have each box on the sheet represent one hole in the board
[20:01] <DanielRichman> Lunar_Lander: you're in a chatroom full of people, most of which have had to represent the ntx2 in eagle at some point
[20:01] <Lunar_Lander> yea DanielRichman
[20:01] <DanielRichman> ok most might be a bit strong
[20:01] <Lunar_Lander> sorry
[20:01] <DanielRichman> anyway I can't remember where I got the part from but someone might :-)
[20:01] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:01] <Lunar_Lander> sorry
[20:01] <Lunar_Lander> I failed
[20:02] <Lunar_Lander> I am a bad team leader
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[20:04] <Lunar_Lander> and I am making you all angry :(
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[20:05] <Lunar_Lander> hi RocketBoy
[20:07] <BrainDamage> you're not, you seem overconcerned actually
[20:08] <BrainDamage> just test your board, just please, if you ask for help, either use a more understandable schematic, or take the time to make a legend
[20:08] <Lunar_Lander> OK
[20:08] <Lunar_Lander> may I explain again what her motivation for that schematic was?
[20:09] <BrainDamage> you don't have to ask for permission to talk, this is not kindergarden :p
[20:09] <fsphil> "Just do it"
[20:10] <fsphil> "Unless it's illegal"
[20:10] <BrainDamage> "then just do it but make sure nobody knows about it"
[20:10] <fsphil> lol
[20:10] <Lunar_Lander> her idea was to plot the physical placement of devices and to plot where the wires run
[20:10] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:10] <navrac2> I've designed huge projects withschematics not too different from that - just worth tidying it up a bit for others to understand
[20:11] <Randomskk> Lunar_Lander: that's a perfectly good way of working out schematics, especially for stripboard projects
[20:11] <Randomskk> but, it's very hard to understand it quickly when just seeing that photo, whereas a proper schematic from eagle is much easier to understand quickly
[20:11] <navrac2> get some graph paper and use that for stripboard layouts
[20:11] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:12] <navrac2> you should think about making a homebrew pc - its probably easier than stripboard
[20:12] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:12] <fsphil> eagle loves you Lunar_Lander. join us
[20:12] <Lunar_Lander> yeah I already have it
[20:12] <Lunar_Lander> wait
[20:12] <navrac2> come over to the dark side...
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[20:13] <BrainDamage> of the moon
[20:14] <BrainDamage> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrcMqA82x14
[20:14] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:14] <Lunar_Lander> here http://s.gullipics.com/image/5/w/v/5ztof4-janipv-1khy/Bildschirmfotovom20120714221359.png
[20:14] <navrac2> I more 'there is no pain you are receeding' due to the wine box next to me
[20:15] <daveake> I need some pain relief
[20:15] <BrainDamage> comfortably numb?
[20:15] <fsphil> my optimising has now made my query twice as slow
[20:15] <navrac2> yep comfortably numb
[20:15] <DanielRichman> fsphil: success!
[20:15] <fsphil> it's a sort of success
[20:15] <daveake> Now do the opposite :)
[20:16] <Lunar_Lander> what do you think about what I did there?
[20:16] <DanielRichman> fsphil: you were feeling quite cold, so you wanted to burn some more power to warm up => success
[20:16] <navrac2> very readable
[20:16] <fsphil> indeed, although the server is in london somewhere :)
[20:16] <fsphil> I'm warming the place up a bit before I visit
[20:17] <navrac2> thats why london is always 2 degrees higher than the surrounding countryside
[20:17] <Lunar_Lander> navrac2, yes?
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[20:18] <G0MJW> All the hot air.
[20:18] <navrac2> only coment isthat starting at 4.5 andusing alinear regto 3v3 is a bit of a waste of energy
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[20:18] <Lunar_Lander> OK
[20:18] <G0MJW> Eagle. Ah yes.
[20:19] <G0MJW> But I don't have access to a bubble tank ay more.
[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> what does that mean?
[20:19] <G0MJW> Must get one. And a lightbox. PCBTrain is a bit dear for one offs
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[20:19] <navrac2> I must admit I dislike eagle, but since my tame pcb layout man has gone almost blind I dont have much choice
[20:19] <fsphil> I'm lazy, seeed will do me fine :)
[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> ah that is a device for making PCBs?
[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> navrac2, ohhhh :(
[20:20] <Lunar_Lander> he really is blind :)?
[20:20] <Lunar_Lander> no
[20:20] <Lunar_Lander> :( this one
[20:20] <G0MJW> Etching tank.
[20:20] <navrac2> tunnel vision
[20:20] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[20:20] <G0MJW> Bubble burtsing
[20:20] <navrac2> Etching tank?? - a chinese take away carton andsome shaking.
[20:20] <BrainDamage> you can do better for 10$
[20:21] <G0MJW> Lightbox?
[20:21] <BrainDamage> nail art curing box
[20:21] <navrac2> sunshine or a desk lamp
[20:21] <BrainDamage> for 15$
[20:21] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[20:21] <fsphil> I've got a fairly big light box that I must get rid of
[20:21] <BrainDamage> the uv lamps are the perfect spectrum
[20:21] <fsphil> have no use for it whatsoever
[20:21] <navrac2> yep the nail drying box is what i bought
[20:21] <G0MJW> Oohh
[20:22] <BrainDamage> for the bubbling tank, get a cheap acquarium pump from dx.com
[20:22] <fsphil> aurora alert tonight
[20:22] <BrainDamage> and a 1L vertical food box from ikea
[20:22] <G0MJW> I was hoping to get a free cast off. We shall see if that pans out.
[20:22] <fsphil> and clear skies. that rarely happens
[20:22] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:22] <Lunar_Lander> BrainDamage, the board already does two things
[20:22] <Lunar_Lander> green LED turns on
[20:23] <G0MJW> for the etching tank that is. But I do need a lightbox (UV of course!)
[20:23] <Lunar_Lander> and NTX2 transmits
[20:23] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:23] <navrac2> seriously for small pcbs the nail driers from amazon work well
[20:23] <fsphil> I'll sell you an A4 one if you want :)
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[20:23] <navrac2> I've got an A3 one but its not UV
[20:23] <G0MJW> Email me Phil
[20:24] <fsphil> nice, that's gotta be huge
[20:24] <navrac2> bought it for the wife as a present
[20:24] <navrac2> with a view to fitting uv tubes :-)
[20:24] <daveake> lol
[20:24] <daveake> I like your style
[20:24] <G0MJW> Nail dryers? Interesting.
[20:25] <fsphil> shipping would probably be pricey G0MJW, but if you're interested phil at sanslogic.co.uk
[20:25] <G0MJW> Where are you?
[20:25] <fsphil> n.ireland :)
[20:25] <fsphil> it's quite heavy
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[20:25] <Lunar_Lander> daveake, so you flew today :)?
[20:25] <G0MJW> Oh. Well it is the same country - ought to be the same shipping!
[20:25] <fsphil> royal mail have a flat rate
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[20:25] <fsphil> some others don't
[20:25] <navrac2> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nail-Gel-Curing-Lamp-included/dp/B0056FSDUS/ref=sr_1_sc_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1342297521&sr=8-8-spell
[20:27] <BrainDamage> I have the same model
[20:27] <navrac2> mines similar but pink, well it was a present for my daughter
[20:27] <G0MJW> 36W! Crikey. How big are these?
[20:27] <navrac2> not very
[20:28] <BrainDamage> they are CCFL
[20:28] <BrainDamage> 4 tubes
[20:28] <BrainDamage> included in the package
[20:28] <G0MJW> How big a pcb?
[20:29] <BrainDamage> sec
[20:30] <BrainDamage> 15cm*15cm
[20:30] <BrainDamage> as etching tank, I use http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/90066708/#/80066723
[20:30] <Lunar_Lander> so is it difficult to make a PCB at home?
[20:30] <G0MJW> That is big enough! Eagle limits you to less.
[20:30] <fsphil> ah well, nearly got rid of it :)
[20:30] <BrainDamage> I don't use eagle
[20:30] <navrac2> its not too hard
[20:31] <BrainDamage> fsphil: well, if you can ship it for less than that
[20:31] <BrainDamage> try also an ebay auction
[20:31] <BrainDamage> Lunar_Lander: no
[20:31] <navrac2> I print out from eagle onto overhead film, then expose the board in the nail drier
[20:31] <navrac2> dip it into developer and agitate for a minute
[20:31] <Lunar_Lander> is there some sort of tutorial?
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[20:31] <fsphil> I'm getting rid of all my etch stuff, don't have the space anymore
[20:32] <navrac2> dunk it in the etchant for about 5 mins and watch it and thats it
[20:32] <BrainDamage> Lunar_Lander: tons of tutorials on the net
[20:32] <navrac2> hardest part is the drilling
[20:32] <fsphil> smd parts help
[20:32] <BrainDamage> I drill the least possible
[20:32] <BrainDamage> I use dip parts as smd
[20:32] <navrac2> which is why I like surface mount
[20:32] <G0MJW> Drilling is less of a problem now - I do mainly surface mount
[20:32] <BrainDamage> I simply bend the legs 90°
[20:32] <fsphil> bend the pins out?
[20:32] <fsphil> hah
[20:32] <BrainDamage> and I'm using dip only because I got spares
[20:33] <BrainDamage> when I'll run out, I'll switch to smd completely
[20:33] <Lunar_Lander> drilling is for making the holes for through-hole components?
[20:33] <BrainDamage> yes
[20:33] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:33] <G0MJW> I don't mind dip - problem with SMT and home PCBs is the lack of a resist.
[20:33] <navrac2> the only real drawback of smd is working out what is what when youve dropped all the bits in a box - too small to read the numbers
[20:33] <BrainDamage> G0MJW: not an issue
[20:33] <BrainDamage> there's uv curing resist
[20:34] <G0MJW> Is there?
[20:34] <BrainDamage> sec
[20:34] <navrac2> yep comes in cans
[20:34] <BrainDamage> approx 8$ for 100g
[20:34] <BrainDamage> shipping included
[20:34] <G0MJW> Solder resist, not etch resist
[20:34] <navrac2> never tried it myself
[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> so the first thing is that you print out what Eagle outputs?
[20:34] <BrainDamage> http://srx.it.ebayrtm.com/clk?RtmClk&u=1H4sIAAAAAAAAAEWOy2qEMABF94L%2FIAzTXczDaKIQCmM3LR0YamdWQokYnOArxATp3zeuujkcLmdxT410yYefEkwTnFUZrTBLrs13QhAmcWS9eDpn2grCfd9T1cnfVDuo3Qxv9QXcH6D2VnaTAs069cqCq9xG8KWM1FYvA7hJvThwmbwCGKEBQFyinDJKEeXk9cfZcdN9K0yOS5bO7OVYjLTz1go5Des5e%2Ft8vJ9JoZ0Pfq8PX90SPA9m%2FgOzBS2yOJKrwIG6FyyOukBKSs7jSIelQJxzzBEpaThBUBZKOx79H9G%2FFMIHAQAA&ch=3&g=b7525daa1370a5a961a56935ff82e770&i=210195612&aii=
[20:34] <BrainDamage> it's called solder mask btw
[20:34] <BrainDamage> not solder resist
[20:34] <BrainDamage> and yes, solder mask
[20:34] <BrainDamage> uv - curable solder mask
[20:35] <Lunar_Lander> and you use that with an UV lamp to expose the PCB and then you need to etch it?
[20:35] <BrainDamage> 9$, not 8, sorry
[20:35] <BrainDamage> no, not that
[20:35] <BrainDamage> you use another chemical for etching
[20:35] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[20:35] <BrainDamage> that thing is to coat the pcb with a plastic
[20:35] <BrainDamage> to aid soldering
[20:35] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:35] <G0MJW> You are right of course. It has been a while. What I hate are vias.
[20:36] <Lunar_Lander> the wikibook I found says: print the board from EAGLE, expose the PCB with UV light, develop the PCB
[20:36] <navrac2> you buy boards pre coated with etch resist after that you can spray on solder resist and re expose it and develop that
[20:36] <Lunar_Lander> and then etch
[20:36] <BrainDamage> yes, you can actually get away witout UV
[20:36] <BrainDamage> using a method called iron-on
[20:36] <BrainDamage> by literally ironing a laser print of the tracks on the pcb
[20:36] <Lunar_Lander> yeah, they write about Toner in the german version
[20:36] <navrac2> first process is to etch off the copper. the optional second step is to sparay and etch off the unwanted solder resist
[20:36] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:36] <BrainDamage> toner transfer
[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> but wait
[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> may I interject a question?
[20:37] <BrainDamage> stop asking to ask :s
[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> what about multi-layer PCBs?
[20:37] <navrac2> seed studio
[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:37] <BrainDamage> order them
[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:37] <navrac2> but with some prasctise most boards can be done single or double sided
[20:37] <BrainDamage> 2 layers is ok to do at home, with a bit of complication
[20:38] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:38] <BrainDamage> > 2 starts to get rather complicated
[20:38] <BrainDamage> so it's easier to just order
[20:38] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:38] <Lunar_Lander> and the idea was to use the stripboard for two reasons
[20:38] <Lunar_Lander> PCBs need practise
[20:38] <BrainDamage> also, even diy boards at home is not very economical
[20:38] <Lunar_Lander> Stripboards are like breaboards
[20:38] <navrac2> on hab boards theres no real need for more than 2 layers
[20:38] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:38] <BrainDamage> unless you aways do 1-off, and don't want to wait
[20:39] <navrac2> i havezero patience so i like homebrew
[20:39] <navrac2> nothing worse than waiting 3 weeks to spot anobvious fault
[20:39] <BrainDamage> did uk have 110 or 220 v mains?
[20:39] <navrac2> 240
[20:40] <navrac2> since 1930 something
[20:40] <BrainDamage> in that case, G0MJW: http://dx.com/s/aquarium+air+pump
[20:40] <BrainDamage> buy an acquarium pump from dx
[20:41] <BrainDamage> you might need a plug adapter
[20:41] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:41] <BrainDamage> but it's like 1$ extra
[20:41] <navrac2> i just use the old method and shake the board in the etchant
[20:41] <navrac2> or tilt it like a wave tank
[20:42] <BrainDamage> I cba for that
[20:42] <BrainDamage> I also use an halogen lamp to heat the etchant
[20:42] <BrainDamage> to speed up
[20:42] <navrac2> microwave for me!
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[20:42] <BrainDamage> between the pump, and the ikea box, you should have spent ~10-15$
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> BrainDamage, did you read the reasons why I chose stripboard?
[20:42] <BrainDamage> nope
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> and the idea was to use the stripboard for two reasons
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> PCBs need practise
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> Stripboards are like breaboards
[20:43] <BrainDamage> cutting is kinda annoying imo
[20:43] <daveake> Breadboards are shit
[20:43] <fsphil> they are
[20:43] <fsphil> one minute they work, the next they don't
[20:43] <fsphil> *and nothing has changed*
[20:43] <BrainDamage> between stripboard and perfboard, I think perfboard is better
[20:43] <BrainDamage> you can route how you like
[20:44] <navrac2> I used to like the stripboard that had 3 holes as one pad etc
[20:44] <daveake> Yeah those aren't so bad
[20:44] <navrac2> lessuseful since dil's started dissapearing though
[20:44] <BrainDamage> G0MJW: to sum up, 15$ for tank and 20$ for uv
[20:44] <navrac2> must fix the space bar
[20:44] <daveake> I used that in PIE1 to hold the NTX2 and resistors, plugging in to the Pi
[20:45] <daveake> And another bit to hold the regulator
[20:45] <daveake> OK for simple stuff like that
[20:46] <G0MJW> $35 and $100 import duty plus post office rip off fees....
[20:46] <BrainDamage> no
[20:46] <navrac2> not for small things from dx
[20:46] <BrainDamage> I don't know for uk, but there's a limit
[20:46] <navrac2> and the nail drier is from the uk anyway
[20:46] <fsphil> how's the pi daveake?
[20:46] <BrainDamage> below that limit, you don't pay for duties
[20:46] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:46] <BrainDamage> and shipping was included in the prices I told you
[20:46] <G0MJW> Oh yes. Now they can charge for almost everything and they do because it is a big earner for them.
[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> ah what I meant with "stripboards are like breadboards" was the connection of the lines
[20:47] <G0MJW> £8 or £13.5 depending on just VAT or VAT plus duty. Stopped buying from the US.
[20:48] <BrainDamage> even for 6$ items?
[20:48] <navrac2> 6$ items tend to slide through
[20:48] <G0MJW> Not for $6 but not a lot is $6. $18 I think is the limit, inc shipping.
[20:48] <BrainDamage> even if vat is 20%, 20% of 6$is 1.2$
[20:48] <navrac2> mind you so did a roll of heptax - no duty on that
[20:48] <BrainDamage> not a big deal
[20:49] <G0MJW> I don't mind teh duty - it is the post office collection fee that is £8 or £13.5 and you have to go to the depot to pay it and collect.
[20:49] <BrainDamage> http://dx.com/p/2-5w-aquarium-air-pump-ac-220-240v-82604?item=9
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> BrainDamage, and I once saw how to do connections on perfboard
[20:49] <BrainDamage> 7$
[20:49] <navrac2> yep - on anything more thanabout 24$ it isv annoying to pay the post office
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> but it means that you have to cut very short wires sometimes?
[20:50] <BrainDamage> Lunar_Lander: for the perboard?
[20:50] <G0MJW> A really good way to build things is dead bug.
[20:50] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[20:50] <BrainDamage> just use the components leads for short wires
[20:50] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:50] <navrac2> I had a friend who built quite complex circuits just soldering them to each other and tinned copper wire.
[20:51] <navrac2> with copper wire from mains cable as the supply rails
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:51] <navrac2> you could roll them up which was quite cool
[20:52] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[20:52] <Lunar_Lander> but isn't that a bad thing?
[20:52] <Lunar_Lander> i.e. to have a supply rail
[20:52] <Lunar_Lander> somone said that having everything in parallel is bad
[20:53] <navrac2> for the sort of things in hab it doesnt really matter
[20:53] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[20:53] <navrac2> address and data lines on microprocessors run in parallel without a problem
[20:54] <Lunar_Lander> ok
[20:54] <Lunar_Lander> I'll try working on the board again on Monday
[20:54] <Lunar_Lander> but I don't know
[20:54] <Lunar_Lander> feels like we failed
[20:54] <BrainDamage> Lunar_Lander: you don't have to redesign if it works
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> I mean what works now is that the NTX2 works with Upu's example code
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[20:55] <BrainDamage> then why do you repeat that you failed?
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> ah maybe the other components don't work
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> but you can't tell before you tested
[20:56] <BrainDamage> no point in getting pre-frustrated
[20:56] <fsphil> my mum does that
[20:56] <fsphil> worries about everything
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> but I am dumb
[20:57] <BrainDamage> but here you're worrying about silly stuff, it's not potential problems that you can solve
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> I brought my microSD breakout
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[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> and I said to them: "OK we can use either OpenLog or this one"
[20:57] <BrainDamage> it's just stuff you have no control about, as in, test will arrive Monday
[20:57] <navrac2> lol - my daughter has just rung from latitude festival to play elbow live to us over the phone
[20:57] <fsphil> eek
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> only then I noticed that OpenLog has 6 pins and the microSD has 7
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> BrainDamage, yeah
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[20:58] <BrainDamage> sd should be spi
[20:58] <fsphil> you know that 7th pin is probably not needed
[20:58] <BrainDamage> and of the spi, only 2 wires are important
[20:58] <BrainDamage> the third is clock
[20:58] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:58] <Lunar_Lander> I mean we already soldered a 6 pin socket to the board
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[20:58] <fsphil> just make an adaptor
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[20:59] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:59] <Lunar_Lander> I mean I only told them we had the choice of either of those
[20:59] <Lunar_Lander> OpenLog of course is a bit easier because it works on serial
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[21:04] <fsphil> found this old pic on my camera, http://imgur.com/Y8uUq
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> BrainDamage, and then I have to renew my team if it fails?
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> or daveake suggested I should change my team
[21:06] <BrainDamage> this is my current expression: ._.
[21:06] <fsphil> what happened your nose?
[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> oh sorry
[21:06] <BrainDamage> swallowed it, along with hair, and earbrows
[21:07] <daveake> Well, LL, how long has it taken so far and how far are you away from flying something?
[21:07] <BrainDamage> really, go out, and drink a beer with your team
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[21:07] <BrainDamage> it's not super complicated stuff that require high specialization, etc
[21:07] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:07] <BrainDamage> if you failed, try again
[21:07] <Lunar_Lander> I think we could fly in august
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[21:08] <daveake> I strongly suggest you stop thinking about stuff, chose what to do do and how (even if in the end it's not the best decision), and DO IT
[21:08] <navrac2> agreed
[21:08] <Lunar_Lander> ok
[21:08] <BrainDamage> don't forget the beer
[21:08] <daveake> Then with that experience, you'll make different decisions for next time
[21:08] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:08] <Lunar_Lander> I even did that on friday
[21:08] <navrac2> as a leader you dont always have to be right - just encourage people and make it happen - perfect or not
[21:08] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:09] <daveake> I'd laugh at my first payload now, but it started me on a path to where I am now
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> I want to talk with you about the humidity sensor
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> I tried something on friday just because it seemed logical to me
[21:09] <navrac2> Im laughing at my current payload...
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:09] <daveake> So stop worring about SD or Openlog, vero or PCB, this or that, just make a decision, make a payload, fly it, learn
[21:09] <BrainDamage> btw, ta sign of improvement, is looking back at your old work, and realizing it's shit
[21:09] <daveake> End of sermon
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> I brought a step up that I still had from home and I thought, that the sensor needs 5V, we give it 5V
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:09] <BrainDamage> simply because you learned
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[21:10] <Lunar_Lander> so I put 3.3V from arduino into the stepup, 5V into the sensor and the signal back through a voltage divider
[21:10] <Lunar_Lander> and I noticed that the sensor was unresponsive
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[21:11] <Lunar_Lander> breathing on it etc. didn't move the reading at all, compared to connecting it directly to the Uno
[21:11] <Lunar_Lander> then I simply hooked it up on 3.3V directly to the Mega Pro
[21:11] <Lunar_Lander> and it gave similar readings as on the Uno
[21:11] <Lunar_Lander> (we calculated the new constants first)
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[21:11] <Lunar_Lander> so I decided to leave any stepup or opamp away
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[21:13] <navrac2> Is ozzie3 still up on habhub or do i need to upload a newpayloadsetup as its out of the launch window?
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[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> did anyone of you work with the Honeywell HIH-4030 humidity sensor before?
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[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> wb daveake
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[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> BrainDamage, do you know much about the analog inputs of the arduino?
[22:00] <BrainDamage> iirc it's a 10bit adc with ref to the Aref, which is basically Vcc
[22:00] <BrainDamage> 10kSps
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[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> my thing is the AREF
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> daveake posted me the arduino page about it but I got a question
[22:02] <Lunar_Lander> when we set the reference for the battery voltage measurement to 2.56V, can we run the reference for the humidity sensor at 3.3V again?
[22:03] <Lunar_Lander> i.e. can we call the 2.56V reference for the one thing and have the default reference for the other
[22:03] <BrainDamage> I forgot if the 2.56 is the internal or external one
[22:03] <BrainDamage> if it's the external, and you tied 2.56V do Avcc, then no
[22:04] <BrainDamage> at least not without an analogue mux
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[22:05] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:05] <Lunar_Lander> the mega has 1.1V and 2.56V as internal refs
[22:06] <BrainDamage> I guess you should be able to sw switch it
[22:07] <Lunar_Lander> yes
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[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> because there was something about the values could be errorneous just after switching
[22:08] <Laurenceb_> argggg
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> maybe something to simply try out?
[22:08] <Laurenceb_> just got back from Farnborough
[22:08] <Laurenceb_> never going there again
[22:08] <Laurenceb_> i now have a fobia of jet engines
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[22:08] <Randomskk> haha
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> why is that?
[22:08] <Randomskk> what happened?
[22:08] <Laurenceb_> and planes landing on my head whilst doing stupid stunts over crowds
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[22:09] <Laurenceb_> stupidly load stupid stunts
[22:09] <Laurenceb_> all day
[22:09] <Lunar_Lander> ohhh
[22:09] <Laurenceb_> *loud
[22:09] <Laurenceb_> and nothing interesting
[22:09] <BrainDamage> check the datasheet
[22:09] <BrainDamage> there'll be the settling time
[22:09] <Laurenceb_> i dont mind watching stunts from a large way away
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[22:09] <Laurenceb_> via video
[22:09] <Lunar_Lander> BrainDamage, the datasheet of the atmega2560?
[22:09] <BrainDamage> yes
[22:09] <Lunar_Lander> OK
[22:09] <Laurenceb_> from an armoured and vibration proof contrete bunker
[22:10] <Lunar_Lander> what do I look for?
[22:10] <Lunar_Lander> in the ADC specs?
[22:10] <Laurenceb_> but 100 meters away is just not pleasant
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[22:10] <Laurenceb_> still i guess you have to try something to see if you like it
[22:10] <BrainDamage> I had a similar experience
[22:10] <Laurenceb_> typhoons with afterburning on hovering tail down 100meters away is not for me
[22:10] <BrainDamage> except there was no crowd
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[22:10] <BrainDamage> I was walking in a street
[22:11] <BrainDamage> and an idiot was doing acrobatic maenuvers for no reason
[22:11] <Laurenceb_> hopefully i dont have hearing damage
[22:11] <BrainDamage> in a city area
[22:11] <BrainDamage> and it was earpsplitting
[22:11] <BrainDamage> I literally read the markings on the plane so close it was
[22:11] <fsphil> I've been about 1km from a typhoon with afterburner on, and that was bad enough
[22:12] <fsphil> you could feel the ground vibrating
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[22:24] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/oXMsb.jpg
[22:24] <Upu> shame about the steaming up
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[22:29] <Lunar_Lander> hi Upu
[22:30] <Upu> evening lunar
[22:30] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
[22:30] <Lunar_Lander> BrainDamage, I got the datasheet and I found the ADC section
[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> do I have to look for settling time?
[22:31] <BrainDamage> no, settling time is wrt input to sample-hold
[22:32] <Upu> tired
[22:34] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:34] <Lunar_Lander> BrainDamage, I find something called conversion time
[22:34] <BrainDamage> that's not that either
[22:35] <BrainDamage> it's how much time passes when you call start converting and it finishes
[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[22:47] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, you and dave flew today, right?
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