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[06:01] <navrac> Last time I trust a weather forecast
[06:02] <SamSilver> BBQ? navrac
[06:02] <SamSilver> launch??
[06:03] <navrac> meant to be doing a launch this AM.
[06:03] <navrac> forecast was for occasional light showers
[06:03] <SamSilver> too damp for launch?
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[06:04] <navrac> just had 40mm rain in about an hour - roads flooded , garden flooded river overflowing
[06:06] <SamSilver> bugger
[06:08] <navrac> looks like the front wont be finished till later this afternoon - might go for a 5 oclock launch- but i if I do the balloon will be outof everybodies radio range by morning
[06:15] <navrac> wasnt as bad as i thought - it was only 30mm of rain.... based on the dog bowl water level
[06:15] <navrac> looks like it will be clear by 5
[06:15] <SamSilver> The Weather: can't live happily with it, cann't live without it!
[07:02] Nick change: SamSilver -> samSilver_
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[07:15] <jcoxon> hey navrac
[07:19] <Upu> morning all
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[07:53] <navrac> morning upu
[08:00] <griffonbot> Received email: navrac "[UKHAS] Re: OZZIE3 Launch announcement - Sunday 11am BST, 10am UTC."
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[08:55] <number10> morning
[08:56] <daveake> so it is :)
[08:57] <griffonbot> Received email: MikeB "[UKHAS] Effects of temperature on LiPo batteries"
[09:08] <navrac> its looking quite morning like
[09:11] <fsphil> it's a bit winter like here
[09:11] <fsphil> only hot, and without any snow
[09:16] <gonzo_> that would be... Summer then?
[09:16] <fsphil> oh yea
[09:16] <gonzo_> hehe
[09:22] <SpeedEvil> http://b3ta.com/challenge/week-in-pictures/
[09:22] <navrac> just rain here and more rain and some rain
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[09:49] <SamSilver> could someone pls give me the link for Zeusbot irc log
[09:49] <SpeedEvil> !logs
[09:49] <SpeedEvil> Well - not like that
[09:49] <SamSilver> i have it saved on work pc and other laptop but not this one
[09:50] <SamSilver> logs/
[09:51] <SamSilver> google found it ... well google & I
[09:51] <SpeedEvil> :)
[09:51] <SamSilver> http://habhub.org/zeusbot/ > search: Zeusbot irc log
[09:51] Action: SpeedEvil sighs.
[09:51] Action: SpeedEvil wants his nexus 7.
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[09:52] <SamSilver> the NEW lEXUS NOT HALF BAD EITHER
[09:52] <SamSilver> bugger caps
[09:53] <SpeedEvil> iexus?
[09:53] <SamSilver> lexus car
[09:53] <SpeedEvil> ah
[09:54] <SpeedEvil> I can barely afford one, not the other.
[09:54] <SamSilver> http://www.lexus.co.za/model/IS250/intro
[09:54] <nick_> the irc log stats run over too long a period.
[09:55] <eroomde> ?
[09:55] <eroomde> i dislike car marketing
[09:55] <nick_> The stats go back forever (~6 years)
[09:55] <SamSilver> the nexus tab is a handy bit of kit
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[09:56] <SamSilver> http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/tablets/google-nexus-7-tablet-1087040/review
[09:56] <eroomde> if you turn on an aston martin db9, or anything else recent, the lcd display on the dash displays, like some kind of powerpoint horror, 'power...beauty...soul'
[09:56] <eroomde> in a sequence
[09:56] <eroomde> the is no reason to let the person, who forced that descion on the designers, live
[09:56] <eroomde> nick_: correct
[09:56] <eroomde> posterity will want to know this stuff
[09:57] <nick_> And so you see people in the "most active" list who haven't logged on in a year.
[09:57] <SamSilver> how soon till we see Nexus 7 owners marching to local stores, where they'll whip out a seven-inch tablet to pay for goods using Google Wallet?
[09:58] <eroomde> who are those people?
[09:58] <nick_> Some of which are obviously just nickname changes.
[09:58] <eroomde> it's nice to reminice
[09:58] Action: nick_ thinks that a month is better for these stats pages.
[10:05] <Randomskk> ed should be in second place
[10:05] <Randomskk> happily I end up above both his nicks :D
[10:06] <Randomskk> nick_: meh idk
[10:06] <Randomskk> there's an argument for both
[10:06] <Randomskk> the nickname changes are amusing, like how laurence has four different entries on the top-25 list
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[10:09] <eroomde> yes i don;t really know why i swapped
[10:10] <eroomde> nowadays i need a constant internet brand
[10:10] <eroomde> to improve my Klout
[10:11] <Randomskk> yes.
[10:11] <eroomde> it might make an interesting experiment, in the style of dave gormon, if you were to follow every bit of advice in hacker news for a month
[10:11] <eroomde> i think you might end up a sociopath
[10:11] <Randomskk> have to use upvotes to resolve conflicts
[10:11] <eroomde> or joshingtalk
[10:11] <Randomskk> oh god
[10:12] <Upu> lol
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[10:25] <nick_> I was just thinking, at some point in the not too distant future would someone be interested in making a video intro to HABing for me?
[10:26] <nick_> Where I really mean for me to tell some school kids to watch.
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[10:27] <nick_> I was thinking about my school project. I wouldn't have a whole lot of contact time with the kids, so I wouldn't want to waste it teaching them.
[10:28] <nick_> So I'll probably make a bunch of short teaching videos they can watch in their own time.
[10:28] <nick_> (maybe using the TED-Ed system)
[10:28] <eroomde> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJECVQrGtGs
[10:29] <nick_> Stuff like that
[10:29] <nick_> But maybe less focussed.
[10:29] <nick_> Who made that video?
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[10:30] <eroomde> arnie
[10:30] <eroomde> (Lunar_Lander)
[10:31] <eroomde> but he might make a general purpose video if yo ask him nicely
[10:31] <eroomde> 'Come with me if you want to HAB!'
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[10:32] <daveake> Your payloads... give them to me, now.
[10:32] <nick_> My not too distant future I mean sometime in the next 6 months.
[10:32] <fsphil> habstalavista, baby
[10:33] <eroomde> if the payload lands in the sea, GET TO DE CHOPPA!!
[10:33] <eroomde> 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9-Te-DPbSE'
[10:34] <nick_> If there are already useful videos then that would be great, I could just TED-Ed them from youtube.
[10:34] <number10> jcoxon has done a presentation on pico hab - if you can get him to release it - he doesnt like the sound of his own voice
[10:34] <nick_> But speaking to the school teacher the other day I'd like the kids to have a possibility to get the gold CREST award.
[10:34] <nick_> Which means doing 70 hours of STEM stuff in the project.
[10:35] <daveake> I think we should get him to phone up DM anytime we need a NOTAM chased
[10:35] <number10> but I bet its quite good
[10:35] <fsphil> daveake: lunar?
[10:35] <daveake> yup
[10:35] <fsphil> oooh
[10:35] <nick_> Noone likes the sound of their own voice.
[10:35] <daveake> "Give me a NOTAM, now!"
[10:35] <Randomskk> nick_: and a big write up and stuff?
[10:35] <fsphil> "also, have you seen back to the future?"
[10:35] <daveake> lol
[10:35] <Randomskk> istr getting gold crest being some amount of faff
[10:36] <nick_> I don't know the exact details.
[10:36] <nick_> Have to go find wedding presents I want...
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[10:38] <fsphil> if we do make a video, we should get Dan to narrate
[10:41] <costyn_> 5m/s ascent rate is a 'safe' ascent rate for a hwoyee 1200 right? no chance of floating?
[10:41] <Randomskk> never say never
[10:41] <costyn_> true, true
[10:41] <costyn_> lets just say significantly decreased as opposed to 2m/s
[10:42] <Randomskk> yea
[10:42] <eroomde> i think it also depends on payload mass
[10:42] <costyn_> mine is 600g
[10:43] <costyn_> is 500g now but parachute and lines and some misc bits like duct tape will add more weight
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[10:55] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[10:55] <fsphil> yo
[10:55] <Lunar_Lander> do we have launches on?
[10:55] <number10> hes back
[10:55] <fsphil> not as yet
[10:55] <number10> I think this afternoon maybe a pico Lunar_Lander
[10:55] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[10:56] <Lunar_Lander> sounds good
[10:56] <number10> depending on weather
[10:56] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[10:56] <Lunar_Lander> how is the weather in the UK at the moment?
[10:56] <number10> wet in places
[10:57] <fsphil> grey n' damp
[10:57] <fsphil> a fine uk summer
[10:57] <Lunar_Lander> xD!
[10:58] <fsphil> there's a big clump of cloud of the east coast of england sparking of a few flashes of lightning
[10:58] <eroomde> i wish all the weather would f off
[10:59] <jonsowman> me too
[10:59] <eroomde> i want to cycle into work and sit outside and stuff
[10:59] <fsphil> yea, I was going to get a bike this week
[10:59] <Lunar_Lander> on BBC The Planets a guy said he likes living on Earth as compared to Venus or Mars as there is next to no weather
[10:59] <Lunar_Lander> i.e. on Venus and Mars there is always the same weather
[10:59] <fsphil> mars has cloudy days too
[10:59] <fsphil> venus too infact :)
[11:00] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[11:00] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[11:00] <eroomde> yeah i'd find the 300 celcius 80bar ph0 atmosphere a little samey after a while too
[11:00] <costyn_> hehehe
[11:00] <Lunar_Lander> but he like liked the challenge to predict Earth's weather
[11:00] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[11:00] <fsphil> there might also be carbon snow on mars
[11:00] <Lunar_Lander> cool, Christmas on Mars!
[11:00] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[11:00] <fsphil> carbon dioxide
[11:01] <Lunar_Lander> xD I just imagine a Wal-Mart on Mars
[11:02] <eroomde> i saw 'A Comet's Tale' (hohoho) on bbc 4 last night
[11:02] <eroomde> it was interesting
[11:02] <number10> this is getting to sound a little like total recall
[11:02] <fsphil> ah, missed that. yay iplayer
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[11:02] <fsphil> geet yo ass to maas
[11:02] <eroomde> the cool thing was that as a demo they made a comet by putting water, dirt, some organic compounds (soy sauce) and dry ice into a bag and then put that lot into liquid nitrogen
[11:02] <number10> ibb
[11:02] <eroomde> they got a dirty icy rock back out
[11:03] <eroomde> which when they shon e adesk-lamp on it would have little jets of sublimating gas shotting out
[11:03] <fsphil> oh I think I seen that before
[11:03] <eroomde> just like a comet
[11:03] <eroomde> was a nice demo
[11:03] <fsphil> no maybe not, don't remember the gas bit
[11:03] <eroomde> it was just the dry ice sumbliming
[11:04] <Lunar_Lander> xD they did that on German TV too with Worcester Sauce
[11:04] <fsphil> hmm... I'm gonna miss the iplayer (adobe are stopping linux flash player)
[11:04] <eroomde> fsphil: huh?
[11:04] <eroomde> since when?
[11:05] <fsphil> they're making it chrome-only
[11:06] <eroomde> hopefully iplayer will moe to something beter anyway
[11:06] <fsphil> http://www.osnews.com/story/25639
[11:07] <fsphil> my satellite box can do iplayer, but it's handier on the laptop
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[11:14] <Randomskk> fsphil: so?
[11:14] <Randomskk> you can still just get_iplayer
[11:14] <Randomskk> to download mp4 files
[11:14] <Randomskk> which is way handier anyway
[11:14] <Randomskk> seeing as they then don't expire
[11:17] <fsphil> well, not as friendly
[11:17] <fsphil> although it'll play better than the flash player
[11:17] <Randomskk> you just go to a web page on iplayer
[11:17] <Randomskk> copy the URL of the thing you want
[11:17] <Randomskk> and get_iplayer <url>
[11:17] <Randomskk> maybe it's very slightly less friendly
[11:17] <Randomskk> but not that bad
[11:17] <Randomskk> getting to keep the mp4 makes it totally worthwhile
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[11:37] <SpeedEvil> bash-4.1$ du -s /mnt/data/iplayer
[11:37] <SpeedEvil> 119285440 /mnt/data/iplayer
[11:49] <jonsowman> the -h flag for du is handy :P
[11:49] <Randomskk> filesystems currently make me sad
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[12:04] <Lunar_Lander> it is not good, btw, to listen to "Wish it would rain down" by phil collins on your MP3 player when there is a thundestorm cell approaching you
[12:05] <SpeedEvil> I suggest DJ Jazzy and the Fresh Prince - Boom, shake the room.
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[12:06] <SpeedEvil> Or Queen - Flash
[12:06] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[12:07] <fsphil> is it very very frightning indeed?
[12:10] <Lunar_Lander> xD I only heard thunder but did not see lightning
[12:10] <Lunar_Lander> also just after that I went into the supermarket
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[12:11] <fsphil> I was in a big supermarket once during a thunderstorm and the power went out. really spooky being in a big supermarket in the dark, with flashes of lightning outside
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[12:11] <fsphil> took them a few minutes to turn the generator on
[12:12] <Randomskk> Upu: have you seen the new sarentel antennas?
[12:12] <Lunar_Lander> ohh
[12:12] <Randomskk> SL1252
[12:17] <Darkside> Randomskk: yes
[12:17] <Darkside> and he has samples
[12:17] <Darkside> Randomskk: both him and I got notified of the new model about 6 months ago
[12:18] <jonsowman> so did CUSF
[12:18] <jonsowman> and we now have some
[12:18] <Darkside> cool
[12:18] <Darkside> i still have a stock of the SL1202's
[12:18] <Randomskk> the connector seems much better
[12:19] <Darkside> so i'll get through those then switch to them
[12:19] <Darkside> yeah, it can handle much more force
[12:19] <Darkside> i just try not to drop my payloads onto concrete (without any padding)
[12:19] <jonsowman> :)
[12:20] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[12:38] <Upu> hi Randomskk yes I have some samples
[12:39] <Upu> next board I do with one on I'll use them
[12:39] <Randomskk> have you played with them yet? mine are in cambridge
[12:39] <Randomskk> cool
[12:39] <Upu> no just have a look
[12:39] <Upu> they will be more solid I suspect :)
[12:39] <Randomskk> hope so
[12:39] <Upu> I should make an Eagle part for them
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[12:49] <Lunar_Lander> hi Upu
[12:52] <Upu> afternoon Lunar
[12:54] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
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[13:45] <Lunar_Lander> if anybody who flew hydrogen is here
[13:45] <Lunar_Lander> how can I explain to my friend why Helium is the safer alternative, besides the fact that you shouldn't smoke on the launch site
[13:46] <Lunar_Lander> what else is there, i.e. grounding of the gas equipment and so on
[13:46] <Randomskk> the 'what else' is that hydrogen explodes and helium doesn't, really
[13:48] <Lunar_Lander> well I said that and he was like "yes I know that but if you don't smoke you should be allright?"
[13:49] <stilldavid> there are many other ways it can ignite unintentionally, a lot to do with static electricity
[13:49] <Randomskk> loads of things could cause sparks
[13:50] <Randomskk> on the other hand, it's not hugely unsafe -- people have done it. you just need to be careful
[13:52] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[13:55] <Lunar_Lander> prime thing I told him is that we got no experience as of now
[13:55] <Lunar_Lander> thus He is the better choice
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[14:04] <Laurenceb_> even if it blows it wont kill you
[14:04] <Laurenceb_> but burning balloon is a little nasty
[14:04] <Laurenceb_> if it sticks to your face alien style
[14:04] <SpeedEvil> If you haven't filled the balloon with a pocket of air - it's basically a balloon diameter bonfire for a couple of seconds.
[14:04] <SpeedEvil> And then the balloon plastic flaming gets thrown in a random direction
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[14:05] <SpeedEvil> A bucket of water, some sensible clothes, and you're fine.
[14:05] <SpeedEvil> (pretty much)
[14:05] <stilldavid> and keep oxygen out of the balloon until you fill it
[14:06] <stilldavid> hydrogen = flammable; hydrogen + oxygen = explosive
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[14:06] <SpeedEvil> hydrogen + chlorine = photosensitive.
[14:07] <Laurenceb_> lol
[14:07] <Laurenceb_> dawn cutdown
[14:07] <griffonbot> Received email: navrac "[UKHAS] Re: OZZIE3 Launch announcement - Sunday 11am BST, 10am UTC."
[14:08] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[14:08] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[14:08] <Laurenceb_> is there a murray iso ?
[14:09] <Laurenceb_> ill have to remove the fedora installation
[14:09] <daveake> lol
[14:09] <daveake> It's on the net
[14:10] <daveake> Get it from your favourite server
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[14:16] <jdtanner> Awh crud&no pico launch :( I should really learn to set my gear up after the launch&not before :P
[14:21] <Lunar_Lander> hi jdtanner
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[14:22] <Lunar_Lander> jdtanner, so no flight today?
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[14:23] <jdtanner> See the email above...
[14:24] <jdtanner> Pico cancelled due to bad weather
[14:24] <jdtanner> But my radio is all set up to go :)
[14:27] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[14:27] <Lunar_Lander> rain!
[14:28] <Lunar_Lander> jdtanner, earlier I cited someone from "The Planets" (BBC) who said that he likes the challenge weather gives on Earth as compared to Venus and Mars
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[14:33] <navrac> sorry about that guys - I was really looking forward to testing the newballoon
[14:34] <Lunar_Lander> what balloon do you use?
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[14:34] <navrac> home built heptax superpressure
[14:35] <fsphil> oooh
[14:36] <SamSilver> shuuuu
[14:36] <SamSilver> tell us more
[14:37] <navrac> nothing special, just heptax imported from the states, sealed up with an iron
[14:37] <navrac> this one was a tubular design - less seams
[14:38] <Laurenceb_> where do you get heptax?
[14:38] <navrac> the prototype burst at about 0.5psi so about the same as a qualatex 92cm
[14:38] <navrac> I'll have to look it up
[14:40] <navrac> quite fun making your own balloons with an iron - tricky stuff to use though - it curls at the edges
[14:40] <Laurenceb_> i want to try mylar and silicone PSA
[14:40] <Laurenceb_> like 3M 91022
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[14:41] <navrac> I couldnt get mylar to seal properly - tried all the suggeastions for adhesives but it kept leaking at 0.02psi
[14:41] <Lunar_Lander> btw do you remember the Japanese Fire Balloons?
[14:41] <Laurenceb_> hmm
[14:41] <Lunar_Lander> there is a book by the smithsonian
[14:41] <Laurenceb_> navrac: lap joint?
[14:41] <Lunar_Lander> which gives how the paper envelope was made
[14:42] <Lunar_Lander> but I don't know if it is worth it to try making one as it is about 600 pieces of paper
[14:42] <navrac> thats more joins than I'd like to try
[14:42] <Lunar_Lander> yeah also you'd have to make 3 ply and 4 ply sheets
[14:42] <daveake> $$origami
[14:43] <navrac> the heptax you cant lap joint as it only bonds properly on one side
[14:43] <Lunar_Lander> which I don't know about as I imagine that like gluing paper togehter makes it to do bumps and stuff
[14:43] <Lunar_Lander> daveake, yes xD
[14:43] <Laurenceb_> navrac: lap joint on the maylar you tested tho?
[14:44] <navrac> yes - but it was tricky to get a good joint -
[14:44] <Laurenceb_> ah
[14:44] <Laurenceb_> what adhesive?
[14:44] <navrac> the heptax was very easy
[14:44] <Laurenceb_> what did you try on the mylar?
[14:45] <navrac> I tried several - cant remember which ones - I'll dig out the glues in the morning and let you know
[14:45] <navrac> I found a blimp making news group and tried their suggestions
[14:46] <navrac> the heptax was very light - much lighter than the stuff used on the qualtex balloons
[14:46] <Laurenceb_> were they silicone glues?
[14:46] <Laurenceb_> interesting
[14:47] <navrac> to be honest I just ordered them and stuck them on! Didnt read the contents, silicon doesnt ring a bell
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[14:49] <navrac> www.baloonkits.com is where I got the heptax from
[14:50] <navrac> $88 for a 1lb roll which from memory was 16yards*39"
[14:50] <navrac> including postage from the states
[14:52] <fsphil> +l ?
[14:53] <navrac> +1??
[14:53] <fsphil> www.balloonkits.com ?
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[15:08] <Laurenceb_> navrac: PSA works well for mylar
[15:08] <Laurenceb_> but the acrylic stuff has a relatively high glass transition temperature
[15:09] <Laurenceb_> silicone PSA works better at balloon temperature
[15:10] <Laurenceb_> but youll probably need to ring up 3M
[15:10] <Laurenceb_> or parafix tapes
[15:10] <Laurenceb_> http://www.parafix.com/en/
[15:12] <navrac> oh sorry - yes balloonkits.com
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[15:12] <navrac> dont remember buying silicon psa, but I'll check. Ironing is easier!
[15:13] <navrac> I'm going to stick with heptax, its really light and easy to use
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[18:18] <Lunar_Lander> sun is here!
[18:22] <fsphil> so that's where it's been hiding
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[18:22] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[18:40] <Lunar_Lander> daveake, what was your URL again?
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[18:44] <daveake> daveakerman.com
[18:44] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
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[18:48] <Lunar_Lander> hi mclane
[18:49] <mclane> Hi Lunar_lander
[18:49] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
[18:50] <eroomde> bbc4 at 8
[18:50] <Laurenceb_> anyone here know how format works on usb mass storage?
[18:50] <Laurenceb_> what 4?
[18:50] <eroomde> a documentary about gordon murray
[18:50] <eroomde> the f1 car designer god man
[18:50] <Lunar_Lander> is that this cook guy who shouts at people?
[18:50] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
[18:50] <eroomde> no that's al murray
[18:51] <mclane> finished integration tests
[18:51] <daveake> lmao
[18:51] <mclane> for my payload
[18:51] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[18:51] <Lunar_Lander> what will it do?
[18:51] <eroomde> nice work mclane
[18:51] <Lunar_Lander> and Gordon Ramsay?
[18:51] <eroomde> welcome to the party pal
[18:51] <daveake> gordon btw not al
[18:51] <eroomde> gordon ramsay pretends to be a pub landlord
[18:51] <daveake> :)
[18:51] <eroomde> as a successful stand-up comedy act
[18:52] <daveake> a man of many talents
[18:52] <eroomde> Lunar_Lander: i have got those two the wrong way round
[18:52] <eroomde> gordan ramsay is the shouty chef
[18:52] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
[18:52] <eroomde> al murray is the pub landlord
[18:52] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[18:53] <eroomde> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUdaPNXC_68
[18:55] <Lunar_Lander> xD what did he say?
[18:55] <Lunar_Lander> "Wonderful British Town New York"
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[18:56] <Lunar_Lander> is the guy in the audience real or is it like his partner or so?
[18:57] <eroomde> real
[18:57] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[18:58] <Lunar_Lander> ROFL that guy is great
[18:59] <eroomde> re:space travel
[18:59] <eroomde> "why would the bitish, the very people who invented gravity, wanna go somewhere that asn't got any, ay?'
[19:01] <eroomde> anyhoo bbc4
[19:02] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
[19:03] <Lunar_Lander> "We didn't put a man on the moon because we thought: Where is the point?"
[19:04] <Lunar_Lander> "we are divided by a common language and a f**** big ocean, thank christ"
[19:04] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:06] <Lunar_Lander> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwgSteuA5Dc&feature=relmfu
[19:06] <Lunar_Lander> it's in german but you still understand it
[19:06] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[19:06] <Lunar_Lander> They test stuff they bought at "Sugar Factory"
[19:06] <Lunar_Lander> like chocolate pizza
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[19:15] <eroomde> this tv show is very good
[19:17] <Laurenceb_> i dont care about F1
[19:17] <Laurenceb_> ... but i am bored
[19:17] <SpeedEvil> he's all about F3
[19:17] <Laurenceb_> hell yeah
[19:18] <eroomde> it's not about f1
[19:19] <eroomde> it's about his approach to engineering
[19:19] <Upu> evening
[19:19] Action: Laurenceb_ turns on
[19:19] <Laurenceb_> tho stm32f3 is of course more exciting
[19:20] <Upu> PC104 stacks or bust
[19:20] <Laurenceb_> ewwwww
[19:21] <Upu> why make some thing small and efficient when you can make it huge and pointless ?
[19:21] <Upu> </sarcasm>
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[19:24] <SpeedEvil> ISA will never die!
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[19:33] <Laurenceb_> TPS63020 looks good for some peoples balloon issues
[19:34] <Laurenceb_> - smps
[19:34] <Upu> the TPS61201DRC works great
[19:38] <nick_> Lunar_Lander: you made the video about using spacenear.us?
[19:39] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[19:42] <nick_> How did you do it?
[19:42] <nick_> I mean, which software did you use?
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[19:59] <eroomde> that was very good
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[20:00] <eroomde> mechatronics is where the excitement is at
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[20:10] <Lunar_Lander> nick_, still there?
[20:10] <Lunar_Lander> I got a phone call, sorry
[20:10] <Lunar_Lander> I don't really remember what I used
[20:10] <Lunar_Lander> it was a microsoft program
[20:11] <nick_> ues
[20:11] <nick_> OK
[20:11] <Lunar_Lander> it was limited to 10 minutes recording in the free version
[20:12] <Lunar_Lander> microsoft expression encoder
[20:12] <nick_> I don't have windows, so I wouldn't use it.
[20:12] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:13] <Lunar_Lander> yeah me neither now that I use linus
[20:13] <Lunar_Lander> *linux
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[20:16] <eroomde> nick_: which OS?
[20:16] <nick_> I run ubuntu
[20:16] <eroomde> try recordMyDesktop
[20:16] <Lunar_Lander> got 12.04 also?
[20:17] <nick_> Not yet
[20:17] <eroomde> http://recordmydesktop.sourceforge.net/about.php
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[20:20] <Laurenceb_> can anyone here ping www.nottingham.ac.uk
[20:21] <jonsowman> Request timeout for icmp_seq 0
[20:21] <fsphil> same here
[20:21] <Laurenceb_> wtf
[20:21] <SpeedEvil> here too.
[20:21] <Laurenceb_> i cant ssh into anything there
[20:21] <Laurenceb_> or ping their mailservers
[20:22] <SpeedEvil> ssh www.nottingham.ac.uk
[20:22] <SpeedEvil> ssh: connect to host www.nottingham.ac.uk port 22: Connection refused
[20:22] <Laurenceb_> well obviously
[20:22] <Laurenceb_> thats the first thing lulzsec try
[20:22] <SpeedEvil> wobsite is up though.
[20:23] <Laurenceb_> yeah
[20:23] <Laurenceb_> i thought my ip was blocked
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[20:23] <Laurenceb_> maybe someone broke a firewall
[20:24] <MrScienceMan> Bad value for option -n, valid range is from 1 to 4294967295.
[20:24] <MrScienceMan> Pinging www.nottingham.ac.uk [128.243.80.167] with 32 bytes of data:
[20:24] <MrScienceMan> Request timed out.
[20:24] <MrScienceMan> Ping statistics for 128.243.80.167:
[20:24] <MrScienceMan> Packets: Sent = 1, Received = 0, Lost = 1 (100% loss),
[20:24] <MrScienceMan> nope :(
[20:25] <Laurenceb_> you should be able to ping a webserver right?
[20:25] <MrScienceMan> yeh
[20:25] <Laurenceb_> looks like everything on 128.243.x.x is blocked
[20:27] <Laurenceb_> how the hell am i supposed to backup my shizzle
[20:28] <nick_> go there
[20:28] <Laurenceb_> lol
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[20:29] <Laurenceb_> yeah im guessing anything on 243.243.x.x will work
[20:30] <nick_> eroomde: you've used this screen capture thing?
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[20:33] <Randomskk> anyone planning on going to EMF yet?
[20:33] <Randomskk> (besides russss)
[20:33] <eroomde> no
[20:33] <Laurenceb_> what is it?
[20:33] <eroomde> to both
[20:33] <Randomskk> https://www.emfcamp.org/
[20:33] <fsphil> sounds great but too far :)
[20:34] <fsphil> and doing anything outdoorsy in the uk is risky at best...
[20:36] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waacof2saZw
[20:36] <fsphil> lol
[20:37] <jcoxon> i'd like to but not sure if i'm working hten
[20:38] <fsphil> it certainly looks like it'll be fun
[20:38] <Lunar_Lander> OHHHH why can't I fly my balloon
[20:38] <Lunar_Lander> OHHH
[20:39] <Laurenceb_> cuz you havent built it?
[20:39] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:39] Action: Lunar_Lander stops spinning
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[20:42] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waacof2saZw For no particular reason.
[20:42] <SpeedEvil> (other than the realisation that you can do natural gas balloons with a few hundred gram payload for ~60p each)
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[20:52] <jcoxon> so no launch from navrac then :-(
[20:53] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:53] <Lunar_Lander> hi jcoxon
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[20:55] <TFMS> Hi, I'm launching a HAB soon
[20:55] <TFMS> and I need some input
[20:55] <number10> its that rough suffolk weather jcoxon
[20:55] <TFMS> or knoledge
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[20:55] <TFMS> Whats an average ascent rate
[20:55] <jonsowman> 4-5 m/s for a standard latex balloon
[20:55] <TFMS> thats like 8-9 meters in diameter
[20:56] <TFMS> at launch altitude?
[20:56] <TFMS> for the balloon
[20:56] <Lunar_Lander> hi TFMS from where are you?
[20:56] <TFMS> with a 1k capsule
[20:56] <TFMS> Twin Falls Middle School
[20:56] <jonsowman> it's pretty much constant for the entire ascent
[20:56] <TFMS> Washington
[20:56] <TFMS> North Bend
[20:56] <SpeedEvil> The balloons are way under 8-9m at launch
[20:56] <TFMS> kk
[20:56] <jonsowman> it can be a bit variable for the first km or two
[20:56] <SpeedEvil> An 8m balloon would lift most of a ton.
[20:56] <Randomskk> 8-9m launch diameter is gigantic
[20:56] <SpeedEvil> At the ground.
[20:57] <jonsowman> i could have /so/ much fun with that
[20:57] <TFMS> I hheard to fill up the balloon until it can stay afloat with a exta pound
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[20:57] <TFMS> is that right
[20:57] <Randomskk> roughly. check out http://cusf.co.uk/calc
[20:57] <SpeedEvil> TFMS: What is the desired payload weight, and altitude?
[20:57] <TFMS> 1k
[20:57] <SpeedEvil> and yes - see the above
[20:57] <SpeedEvil> TFMS: 1kg?
[20:57] <TFMS> 30000 meters burst
[20:57] <TFMS> yes
[20:57] <Randomskk> plus your numbers into that calculator and it'l tell you how much free lift you need
[20:57] <Randomskk> as well as the ascent rate
[20:58] <MrScienceMan> Lunar_Lander:
[20:58] <MrScienceMan> $ nc cs.nottingham.ac.uk 22
[20:58] <MrScienceMan> SSH-1.99-OpenSSH_3.7.1p2
[20:58] <Randomskk> Laurenceb_: ^
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[20:59] <Lunar_Lander> MrScienceMan, yeah and?
[20:59] <Laurenceb_> ooh its working
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[20:59] <Laurenceb_> thanks for that
[21:00] <Laurenceb_> very odd
[21:00] <MrScienceMan> Lunar_Lander: sorry, message was for Laurenceb_
[21:00] <MrScienceMan> Laurenceb_: that working?
[21:00] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:01] <Laurenceb_> suddenly everything seems back to normal
[21:01] <TFMS> I figured it out with that calculator
[21:01] <TFMS> thanks
[21:01] <fsphil> I wonder how much longer this crappy weather is going to last
[21:01] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: several billion years, until the sun engulfs the earth.
[21:01] Action: fsphil puts away the bottle of suncream
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[21:02] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
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[21:07] <TFMS> XT
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[21:17] <TFMS> You guyz are all nubs
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[21:17] <jonsowman> interesting
[21:17] <jonsowman> :\
[21:17] <Randomskk> nubs eh
[21:17] <jonsowman> apparently so
[21:20] Action: daveake looks up "nubs"
[21:20] <daveake> oh nice. hope he comes back soon
[21:20] <Randomskk> urbandictionary has some conflicting definitions
[21:21] <jonsowman> as usual
[21:21] <Randomskk> generally negative connotations though
[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> :(
[21:28] <fsphil> weird
[21:29] <Lunar_Lander> but we have it good
[21:29] <Lunar_Lander> think of the people of Nevada
[21:30] <Laurenceb_> ?
[21:30] <Lunar_Lander> living in a desert
[21:30] <Laurenceb_> n00bs?
[21:30] <Laurenceb_> oh
[21:30] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:30] <Laurenceb_> ok so i cant access my smtp server
[21:31] <Laurenceb_> but i can ssh a machine that can
[21:31] <fsphil> there's a place not far from here called Desertmartin. It's not a desert sadly
[21:31] <Laurenceb_> is there a way to set this up?
[21:31] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil, xD
[21:31] <fsphil> port forwarding through ssh?
[21:32] <Laurenceb_> hmm yeah
[21:32] <Laurenceb_> how does that work?
[21:33] <simrun> ssh laurence@server -L localport:host:remoteport
[21:33] <simrun> ssh laurence@server -L localport:server:remoteport
[21:34] <simrun> the second one
[21:34] <Laurenceb_> what does that do?
[21:34] <fsphil> it opens a port on your own machine (localhost)
[21:34] <simrun> opens up localport on your machine
[21:34] <simrun> which is a tunnel to server:remoteport
[21:34] <Laurenceb_> the machine i can ssh - the remote one?
[21:34] <Laurenceb_> ok
[21:34] <simrun> actually the first one was fine ;P
[21:34] <fsphil> yep both good :)
[21:34] <simrun> since the smtp is on a differnet server to where you are ssh'ing to
[21:34] <Laurenceb_> so how do i avoid ssh traffic getting forwarded?
[21:34] <simrun> the second is more specific
[21:35] <Laurenceb_> as i still want to be able to ssh the machine
[21:35] <Randomskk> it doesn't..
[21:35] <Randomskk> it's just that port.
[21:35] <Laurenceb_> oh
[21:35] <Laurenceb_> port 25?
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[21:35] <Randomskk> once the ssh connection is established, all traffic to your local specified port is routed to the remote specified port
[21:35] <Laurenceb_> not sure if thats firewalled, will try
[21:35] <Randomskk> whatever you want.
[21:35] <Randomskk> example
[21:35] <Laurenceb_> port 22 works for sure
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[21:35] <Randomskk> ssh host -L 1234:mail.uni:25
[21:36] <Randomskk> then connect to localhost:1234 on your computer
[21:36] <Randomskk> and the packets go to mail.uni port 25
[21:36] <simrun> ^ yeah this is a better explanation
[21:37] <Laurenceb_> ok
[21:38] <fsphil> I've done a few ssh through ssh tunnels before
[21:38] <fsphil> gets confusing :)
[21:38] <Randomskk> there are easier ways to ssh through ssh than port forwarding
[21:38] <simrun> It's a shame ssh tunneling doesn't easily scale to multiple hops
[21:38] <simrun> Or at least the syntax doesn't
[21:38] <Randomskk> you can do it other ways if you want
[21:38] <Randomskk> I like using netcat, as in
[21:39] <Randomskk> Host hidden: ProxyCommand ssh proxy nc hidden 22
[21:39] <Randomskk> then when you 'ssh hidden' it actually does 'ssh proxy', where proxy is an accessible server that can itself access hidden
[21:40] <Randomskk> and uses that to connect to hidden
[21:41] <Laurenceb_> ssh host -L 1234:mail.uni:25
[21:41] <Laurenceb_> just logs my into the machine
[21:42] <fsphil> port 1234 on your own machine will then connect to your mail server
[21:42] <fsphil> in theory
[21:42] <Randomskk> yea, it still makes an SSH connection
[21:42] <Randomskk> you can make it not start a shell if that bothers you but you have to keep that ssh connection open
[21:42] <Randomskk> and while it is open, port 1234 on your local computer now connects to mail.uni:25
[21:42] <Laurenceb_> oh
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[21:44] <Laurenceb_> channel 3: open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed
[21:44] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[21:44] <Laurenceb_> when i try to send
[21:44] <simrun> check /etc/sshd_config ?
[21:44] <simrun> on the machine you're logging into
[21:44] <simrun> (if you can)
[21:45] <simrun> it may be that tunneling has been disabled
[21:45] <Randomskk> or that the host couldn't be found
[21:47] <Laurenceb_> typo
[21:47] <Laurenceb_> it works now, thanks
[21:47] <simrun> weird error message for a dns failure
[21:49] <Randomskk> indeed
[21:49] <Randomskk> idk why
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[21:56] <MrScienceMan> Laurenceb_: you can do -D <port> on ssh
[21:56] <MrScienceMan> which creates a proxy on that port
[21:57] <Randomskk> that sets up a SOCKS proxy on the local port
[21:57] <Randomskk> so your mail tool would need to know about SOCKS
[21:57] <MrScienceMan> yeh
[21:57] <Randomskk> rather than just pointing it at a local port
[22:00] <SpeedEvil> SOCKS is cool!
[22:00] <MrScienceMan> its alright
[22:00] <MrScienceMan> now IP over ICMP is cool
[22:04] <simrun> MrScienceMan, but ICMP is contained inside IP datagrams??
[22:05] <MrScienceMan> yeah, but when you find yourself in the situation where you can get to the internet, because somebody is dropping your packets
[22:06] <MrScienceMan> you can get out with it :)
[22:06] <MrScienceMan> cant get to*
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[22:22] <Laurenceb_> 2015 chase
[22:22] <Laurenceb_> back to the future?
[22:22] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> Pubs are only for people 21+?
[22:31] <Randomskk> most pubs are for all ages
[22:31] <Randomskk> a few are 21+
[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[22:31] <Randomskk> 18+ to buy alcohol
[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:31] <Randomskk> but a lot of pubs you might go with kids for lunch or something
[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> and 16 to buy a beer if you also order something to eat?
[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> if I get that right here
[22:32] <Randomskk> along those lines
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> yesterday a stupid streetworker was on TV
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[22:33] <Lunar_Lander> he thought a 19 year old woman should not be able to go on holiday on Ibiza "because she still lives at home and also, what we need to point out, she has been adult only for one year"
[22:34] <nick_> 19 year olds should not be allowed outside since they can barely tie their shoe laces.
[22:34] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> and you see that was like they brought her parents to there
[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> and they liked filmed her and showed that to her parents
[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> and at one point she like said that she had been with a woman and her parents were like "WTF"
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[22:54] <gonzo_> I've only been an adult (well technically) for 23 years, and still can't tie my shoelaces
[22:54] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:54] <gonzo_> the boots I wear are like a cats cradle. Not recommended when pissed
[22:54] <gonzo_> could hang yourself!
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