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[07:05] <jcoxon> fsphil, ISS VHF packet is back online
[07:05] <Darkside> for now...
[07:05] <jcoxon> yeah
[07:05] <jcoxon> teasing us
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[07:10] <UpuWork> so any launches this weekend ?
[07:15] <jcoxon> UpuWork, not from me unfortunately
[07:18] <UpuWork> shame
[07:18] <UpuWork> trying to get something together for July
[07:19] <nosebleed_> UpuWork let me ask you something about the notam
[07:20] <nosebleed_> UpuWork, how do you arrange the launch day with the CAA ?
[07:20] <nosebleed_> I mean, do you choose one day by luck and they get you the notam for that day?
[07:20] <UpuWork> You request certain days on uyour application
[07:21] <nosebleed_> ok
[07:21] <nosebleed_> But isn't that choice made by luck?
[07:21] <UpuWork> no you decide what day you want and request it
[07:21] <UpuWork> they might reject it but generally weekends are good
[07:21] <nosebleed_> yes, and the decision is based on what criteria?
[07:22] <fsphil> jcoxon: hah, typical
[07:22] <nosebleed_> I want to launch one day in the 2nd half of July. But CUSF cannot predict that far.
[07:23] <nosebleed_> So what else could be as my criteria on the decision?
[07:23] <number10> looks like next weeks predictions may be ok for CUSF launch (if they dont change)
[07:24] <number10> its before 11am so probably a bit early to wake them up and ask ;)
[07:24] <fsphil> I request a range of dates, and hope that the weather is good on one of those days
[07:24] <nosebleed_> can I ask for notam 5 or 6 days before and they get it ready?
[07:25] <UpuWork> you can ask for it months in advance
[07:25] <UpuWork> they may even issue it in advance
[07:25] <UpuWork> its jsut permission to fly
[07:25] <UpuWork> and notification to air men that you may be flying
[07:25] <UpuWork> whether you actually fly or not due to weather etc is a decision made on the day
[07:25] <nosebleed_> yes, but can they have it approved 1-2 days after I requested?
[07:26] <fsphil> that depends on who does the approving
[07:26] <UpuWork> I have no idea how quick your local authority do it
[07:26] <nosebleed_> you mean on the officer
[07:26] <nosebleed_> yeah, ok got it
[07:26] <UpuWork> If it was ours I'd say no :)
[07:26] <UpuWork> ours is a "last minute jockey"
[07:26] <fsphil> very no
[07:26] <nosebleed_> lol
[07:27] <nosebleed_> so I might ask specific saturdays on july
[07:27] <nosebleed_> and pray weather is good
[07:27] <UpuWork> just ask for every sat in July
[07:27] <nosebleed_> those days
[07:27] <UpuWork> and go from there
[07:27] <nosebleed_> ok
[07:27] <fsphil> I've had a month-long notam go by without launching due to bad weather
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[07:52] <nosebleed_> is July a good month considering winds?
[07:59] Action: UpuWork looks out of the window
[07:59] <UpuWork> yup theres some winds
[07:59] <UpuWork> weather is weather
[07:59] <nosebleed_> :P
[07:59] <UpuWork> sorry to be sarcastic :)
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[08:00] <number10> generally weather is a little different here in the UK to Greece nosebleed_
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[08:39] <nosebleed_> number10 ok
[09:01] <gonzo__> anyone know off hand what resolution fsphil was using for his ssdv images?
[09:01] <Darkside> low
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[09:01] <Darkside> 320x240
[09:03] <gonzo__> ta, that sounds about right given the downlink time
[09:08] <MrScienceMan> cant find his flickr
[09:08] <MrScienceMan> 320x240 sounds right, with high compression
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[09:25] <cuddykid> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=6aadbfdebfa2b086e3e09ca64e30cf2b8da19fa0 not changing.. yet.. :(
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[09:33] <fsphil> gonzo__: yea 320x480
[09:33] <fsphil> tim did a couple at 640x480 @1200 baud
[09:34] <fsphil> 320x240 even
[09:35] <fsphil> http://www.flickr.com/photos/fsphil/sets/72157628264170117/
[09:39] <MrScienceMan> i wonder if there is a easy way to fix the black dot in the center
[09:39] <fsphil> don't point at the sun :)
[09:40] <MrScienceMan> yeah, it simply to bright the sensor fails
[09:40] <fsphil> yea -- I imagine not all sensors would do that
[09:41] <MrScienceMan> i suppose DSLR have special curcuitry in to figure out when a pixels are overexposed and turn them white
[09:41] <MrScienceMan> circuitry*
[09:47] <gonzo__> fsphil, Thanks. We have one of our group interested in a ssdv type solution.
[09:48] <gonzo__> Where did the downlinked packets get sent to on your flight? Was it the same place as the telem data?
[09:48] <fsphil> different, they get uploaded to www.sanslogic.co.uk atm,
[09:48] <fsphil> but eventually it'll be added to habhub
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[09:50] <fsphil> I didn't want to be adding anything to habitat until I'd considered it stable
[09:50] <fsphil> which it is now
[09:51] <griffonbot> Received email: gonzo_ "[UKHAS] Re: NOTIFICATION OF GPS JAMMING EXERCISES"
[09:53] <gonzo__> OK. Well we would would need assistance on the ground segment side. But it would make sense to use your data format.
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[10:06] <fsphil> would be happy to help gonzo__
[10:06] <gonzo__> appreciated phil
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[13:05] <fsphil> any launches this weekend?
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[13:05] <fsphil> I've not been keeping track recently
[13:09] <number10> havent seen any announced fsphil
[13:10] <fsphil> ta number10
[13:15] <daveake> cuddykid is/was hoping to launch this w/e
[13:15] <UpuWork> weather isn't looking great again though
[13:18] <daveake> Not surpised
[13:18] <daveake> Or some similar word
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[15:13] <nigelvh> The channel's just boiling over with excitement this morning, isn't it?
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[15:22] <UpuWork> is anyone helping Josh with his launch or is he jsut going for it solo and a GSM tracker ?
[15:22] <UpuWork> http://www.joshingtalk.com/2012/06/jtsa-launch-in-sight.html
[15:23] <UpuWork> his back drop picture is very pretty ...
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[15:37] <fsphil> who took that image?
[15:37] <fsphil> looks familiar
[15:37] <UpuWork> does doesn't it
[15:39] <G0DJA> What image is that then?
[15:40] <fsphil> where ava seen that before
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[15:40] <UpuWork> av-ano idea
[15:42] <fsphil> whoever launched it better be careful they don't land in the north sea
[15:42] <UpuWork> I think he's going to launch it alone
[15:43] <fsphil> that's no fun
[15:44] <fsphil> launching requires mates, and bacon
[15:44] <fsphil> and Ed to hold the balloon, if available
[15:44] <nigelvh> Especially the bacon
[15:47] <UpuWork> well sure he'll have assistance but he's relying on the GSM tracker only
[15:47] <fsphil> he's used radio tracking before hasn't he?
[15:48] <UpuWork> well yeah
[15:48] <UpuWork> AVA
[15:48] <UpuWork> but GPS was jammed :)
[15:48] <fsphil> ah yes
[15:49] <UpuWork> fortunatley his GSM tracker was in another box away from the pesky jammer
[15:49] <nigelvh> I saw those messages. You guys have all the fun with your GPS JAMMING EXCERCISES.
[15:50] <fsphil> yea, they're very loud gps jamming excercises
[15:50] <nigelvh> Hey, if you're gonna do it, might as well go all the way.'
[15:50] <UpuWork> those are intentional ones
[15:51] <nigelvh> We've had a couple unintentional ones too.
[15:51] <nigelvh> Mostly when the GPS is about two inches away from a 5W transmitter.
[15:54] <griffonbot> Received email: John Graham-Cumming "Re: [UKHAS] SDR + Front End Filter/Amp"
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[16:38] <Lunar_LanderU> hello
[16:39] <Lunar_LanderU> to all DS18B20 users: Anything to keep in mind when running it at 3.3V?
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[17:17] <nigelvh> You've just had an overwhelming response there haven't you Lunar_LanderU
[17:18] <fsphil> I had to scroll back really far to catch up
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[17:21] <nigelvh> Happens to the best of us.
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[18:10] <cuddykid> won't be launching this weekend - hopefully latter part of next week :)
[18:11] <cuddykid> ^daveake are you free during the week at all?
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[20:04] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> not that much activity here tonight
[21:20] <kristianpaul> japanesse are getting fun http://blog.goo.ne.jp/osqzss/e/a1b11df088d323679b6b3869efaed3e4?fm=rss
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[21:30] <Laurenceb_> tape cutting skillz
[21:32] <Lunar_Lander> spain
[21:32] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[21:32] <Lunar_Lander> might have the same final as in 2008
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[22:06] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "Re: [UKHAS] SDR + Front End Filter/Amp"
[22:08] Action: Laurenceb_ should probably summon up the giveashit to read that
[22:09] <jcoxon> Laurenceb_ nice
[22:10] <griffonbot> @smacdonaldIH: Best moment of #ukhas so far: oldham council winning strategic landlord of the year and thanking community for help after gas explosion [http://twitter.com/smacdonaldIH/status/218104157054320640]
[22:11] <Laurenceb_> hahaha what
[22:11] <griffonbot> @NewCharterGroup: RT @smacdonaldIH: Best moment of #ukhas so far: oldham council winning strategic landlord of the year and thanking community for help af ... [http://twitter.com/NewCharterGroup/status/218104334758580224]
[22:12] <griffonbot> @RoisinWard: RT @smacdonaldIH: Best moment of #ukhas so far: oldham council winning strategic landlord of the year and thanking community for help af ... [http://twitter.com/RoisinWard/status/218104420339171329]
[22:12] <Upu> uh oh
[22:12] <jcoxon> uh oh
[22:12] <Upu> lol
[22:12] <fsphil> *
[22:12] <Laurenceb_> block time
[22:13] <DanielRichman> mmm retweets
[22:13] <DanielRichman> i'll intervene if more show up
[22:13] <griffonbot> @SamShah01: RT @smacdonaldIH: Best moment of #ukhas so far: oldham council winning strategic landlord of the year and thanking community for help af ... [http://twitter.com/SamShah01/status/218104902956744705]
[22:14] <DanielRichman> sigh.
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> ???
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[22:14] <jcoxon> bye griffonbot
[22:15] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:15] <Upu> nice
[22:15] <Lunar_Lander> hey Upu
[22:15] <Upu> evening lunar
[22:15] <simrun> hey
[22:15] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
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[23:00] <bambi> hello everyone
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[23:02] <fsphil> too quick
[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> hi fsphil
[23:02] <fsphil> hiya ll
[23:02] <fsphil> what you up to this late hour?
[23:03] <Lunar_Lander> thinking about my balloon board
[23:03] <Lunar_Lander> the NTX2 works OK at 3.3V
[23:03] <Lunar_Lander> and now also at 300 baud
[23:03] <Lunar_Lander> is 300 baud good or is 50 baud better?
[23:05] <fsphil> both have advantages and disadvantages
[23:10] <Lunar_Lander> which are those fsphil ?
[23:10] <fsphil> 300 has less range
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[23:10] <fsphil> but faster, naturally
[23:11] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[23:11] <Lunar_Lander> why less range?
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[23:15] <fsphil> each bit is shorter, has less power
[23:16] <fsphil> or, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon%E2%80%93Hartley_theorem
[23:17] <Lunar_Lander> ah thanks
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[23:20] <fsphil> I'd stick with 50 though, unless you have need of the faster rate
[23:21] <Lunar_Lander> but you can talk faster than that
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