highaltitude.log.20120619

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[02:03] <Bahiense> can someone explain why the balloon is always inflated on, and sometimes covered by, some sort of fabric until its release?
[02:03] <Darkside> Bahiense: the balloons are quite fragile
[02:03] <Darkside> especially when inflated
[02:04] <Darkside> during the first stages of inflation, we prefer to keep them on some kind of mat, so the balloon doesn't come into contact with any sharp things
[02:04] <Darkside> after its inflated, we throw a sheet over the balloon to weigh it down a little, and also so when we move it (in our case, out of a garage), we don't hit the balloon on anything
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[02:05] <Bahiense> ah, I see
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[02:05] <Bahiense> any particular fabric?
[02:05] <Darkside> not really, no
[02:05] <Darkside> we just used some random sheet we had
[02:05] <Bahiense> ah, ok
[02:05] <Darkside> you can see what i mean in many of th eproject horus videos
[02:06] <Darkside> where we often move the balloon out covered by a sheet
[02:06] <Bahiense> Darkside: I've seen them covering the balloon with a sheet, yes... that's why I was asking :)
[02:06] <Bahiense> are you involved with them?
[02:06] <Darkside> yes
[02:06] <Darkside> telemetry payload designer / navigator
[02:07] <Bahiense> ah, nice... you guys are doing an awesome job!
[02:07] <Darkside> thanks :P
[02:08] <Bahiense> you're welcome... actually, you guys have been one of my main inspirations... I'm trying to kickstart a similar project in Argentina
[02:12] <dayz> hey guys
[02:12] <Darkside> hi dayz
[02:12] <dayz> hey darkside
[02:12] <dayz> whats going on
[02:13] <Darkside> busy marking prac reports
[02:13] <Darkside> and getting distracted by IRC
[02:13] <dayz> tisk tisk
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[02:15] <dayz> anyone know of cheap sensors that can be used on a ballon flight to measure weather things like temp humidty pressure?
[02:15] <dayz> is pressure even worth measuring in near space?
[02:15] <Darkside> most pressure sensors will crap out around 38km alt
[02:16] <Bahiense> dayz, for temp you could use some LM60C
[02:16] <Darkside> naw
[02:16] <Darkside> we use DS18B20s for temp
[02:17] <Darkside> very easy to use
[02:17] <dayz> i dont think i have any of those, I have a few LM335 which are rated for -40C to 85C
[02:22] <dayz> what about humidity? anything good with that?
[02:22] <Darkside> never flown that
[02:26] <dayz> any other sensors?
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[02:57] <dayz> whats a cheap GPS that will work high up?
[02:58] <Darkside> dunno about cheap
[02:58] <Darkside> but we use uBlox modules
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[05:57] <Upu> morning
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[06:16] <Darkside> hey Upu
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[06:50] <griffonbot> Received email: MrScienceMan "Re: [UKHAS] SDR + Front End Filter/Amp"
[06:50] <Elwell> anyone purchased from http://myworld.ebay.com/esold200 -- cheapo DS18B20s
[06:51] <UpuWork> ah well
[06:51] <UpuWork> yes
[06:51] <UpuWork> I have some sat here
[06:51] <Elwell> all with the same serial #?
[06:52] <UpuWork> I've not tested them yet but the leads are shorter than the ones I got from Maxim
[06:52] <Darkside> lol
[06:52] <Darkside> you hope they don't have the same serial number
[06:52] <Elwell> indeed :-)
[06:52] <UpuWork> I'll fire them up tonight and check
[06:53] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "Re: [UKHAS] SDR + Front End Filter/Amp"
[06:53] <Darkside> lol
[06:53] <Darkside> so much intrest
[06:53] <Darkside> interest*
[06:54] <jcoxon> Darkside, :-)
[06:54] Action: Elwell is sure there's some other components he should be buying but can't remember what ;-/
[06:55] <UpuWork> indeed like I said you made a shiny thing, people like shiny things
[06:55] <Darkside> heh
[06:55] <UpuWork> probably not going to make more than 20
[06:55] <Darkside> yeah its getting a bit out of hand lol
[06:55] <Darkside> and we don't even know how useful they'll be yet!
[06:55] <Darkside> hehe
[06:55] <UpuWork> currently we are selling fresh and a pretty picture
[06:56] <UpuWork> fresh air even
[06:56] <Darkside> i think my pretty picture was good
[06:56] <Darkside> it was something like a 10 second exposure ll
[06:56] <Darkside> lol
[06:56] <Darkside> as i was shooting on my desk in very dim light
[06:56] <UpuWork> did the job
[06:57] <Darkside> yep
[06:58] <Elwell> would it be worth adding one to a fcd or are they good enough?
[06:59] <Darkside> it'll clean up the frontend for sure
[06:59] <UpuWork> tbh I'm getting better results out of the EZCAP over the FCD
[06:59] <Darkside> will help with intermod problems
[07:00] <UpuWork> i switched between the two on a Sonde over the weekend and the FCD didn't seem to be able to get a solid signal on it, whereas the EZCAP did
[07:00] <Darkside> hm
[07:00] <Darkside> did you play with the FCDS preamp settings?
[07:00] <Darkside> it has a 30dB LNA on the front
[07:00] <Elwell> hmm - I have a pinnacle dual TV stick and an old freecom? <mumble>220 thing I think
[07:00] <Upu> in fairness no, I'll check that next time
[07:00] <Darkside> Elwell: nah
[07:00] <Darkside> those won't work
[07:00] <Elwell> wonder if they'd work
[07:01] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:sdr_tracker#compatible_devices
[07:01] <Elwell> ah oh well, will keep em in TV :-)
[07:01] <Darkside> one of the good identifiers of it working is it saying it supports DAB
[07:03] <Elwell> sdr# looks quite nice
[07:03] <Upu> yeah I really like it
[07:04] <Upu> clean interface, v396 was a little crashy however since it was released (12 hours ago) they are now on v401
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[07:04] <Upu> v401 still crashes when changing frequency
[07:04] <Upu> but you can ignore it then it works as normal
[07:07] <Darkside> i use HDSDR usually
[07:07] <Darkside> but i want to use GQRX more
[07:07] <Darkside> just waiting for the pulseaudio dependency to be removed
[07:10] <UpuWork> Give SDR# a go, its much cleaner than HDSDR
[07:17] <Elwell> ah crap - eagle won't work on x86_64?
[07:22] <UpuWork> Which O/S ?
[07:22] <UpuWork> if it starts in "L" good luck
[07:23] <UpuWork> I understand Eagle on Linux is a barrell of laughs
[07:23] <fsphil> I give up on linux eagle, they've done a horrible horrible job compiling it
[07:23] <Elwell> indeed :-(
[07:23] <fsphil> just use the win32 version via wine
[07:23] <Elwell> kicad time
[07:24] <Elwell> (or my win7 vm)
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[07:27] <fsphil> anyone got the rtl-sdr's receiving TV in Linux?
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[07:29] <Darkside> fsphil: actually i think so
[07:29] <Darkside> well
[07:29] <Darkside> a friend has
[07:29] <Darkside> but the website he had it on is down i think
[07:29] <fsphil> aah so it works. I saw a few drivers dotted about the net
[07:31] <nosebleed_> fsphil
[07:31] <nosebleed_> HELP
[07:31] <Darkside> i can't find the link..
[07:32] <Darkside> fsphil: http://jms.id.au/wiki/EzcapDvbAdapter
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[07:33] <nosebleed_> fsphil they called me from the athinian ciliv aviation authority. They want a sample NOTAM and any telephone numbers from your service so they call your service and ask them advicies.
[07:35] <nosebleed_> fsphil: wake up dude
[07:35] <UpuWork> lol
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[07:35] <UpuWork> patience :)
[07:35] <fsphil> I'm with someone :p
[07:35] <nosebleed_> man im nervous from what I heard on the telephone... "we are negative but we want to help you"
[07:35] <UpuWork> I'll dig mine out
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[07:36] <nosebleed_> fsphil: when can you talk man?
[07:36] <UpuWork> give it a moment nosebleed_
[07:36] <nosebleed_> ok boss
[07:37] <nosebleed_> you are older than me so you're the boss :P
[07:37] <number10> you could look at my one but is says ktrino kouti then epitrepetai
[07:38] <fsphil> do you still have the sample I give you nosebleed_?
[07:38] <UpuWork> Ok
[07:38] <nosebleed_> oh lol that number10 guy
[07:38] <fsphil> it should have the CAA telephone number on it
[07:38] <UpuWork> http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/7/AU&ORA%2020100624.pdf
[07:38] <UpuWork> David Miller
[07:38] <UpuWork> Airspace Specialist 5
[07:38] <UpuWork> 020 7453 6585
[07:38] <UpuWork> david.miller@caa.co.uk
[07:38] <nosebleed_> fsphil pleaze send me that thing again
[07:38] <UpuWork> whats your mail address nosebleed_ ?
[07:39] <nosebleed_> UpuWork this is from what country?
[07:39] <UpuWork> UK
[07:39] <nosebleed_> ok
[07:39] <UpuWork> same as fsphil
[07:39] <daveake> Word of the day: "deconfliction"
[07:39] <nosebleed_> seems ok
[07:39] <fsphil> good word
[07:39] <nosebleed_> fsphil
[07:39] <nosebleed_> send me that sample man
[07:39] Action: UpuWork pats nosebleed_
[07:39] <UpuWork> its ok fsphil its sorted
[07:39] <fsphil> UpuWork's will be identical
[07:40] <fsphil> well mostly
[07:40] <nosebleed_> aa
[07:40] <nosebleed_> wait
[07:40] <fsphil> mine has the additional disclaimer about crossing the border
[07:41] <fsphil> thanks Darkside, bookmarked
[07:44] <Elwell> 'this is the fsphil crossing the border, floating the payload and the postal order...'
[07:45] <nosebleed_> lol
[07:45] <nosebleed_> ok Upus stuff is great
[07:46] <nosebleed_> Now I want to know how you decide for a specific launch day and how many days before you ask for permission?
[07:46] <fsphil> "please let my payload cross the border, it brings nothing dangerious not even an odor"
[07:47] <MrScienceMan> perhaps, you should include a box of chocolates fsphil
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[07:48] <fsphil> turns out I don't need permission for it to cross the border, but they like me to tell them about it anyway
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[07:48] <daveake> There's a border?
[07:48] <daveake> Crossed it loads of times but I've never actually seen it
[07:49] <daveake> At least the road signs change units so that's a clue
[07:52] <fsphil> yea I was expecting at least a white line :)
[07:52] <fsphil> map makers have a lot to answer for
[07:52] <Elwell> normally the road surface changes as it goes into a different maintenance contractor
[07:53] <fsphil> the road markings change a bit
[07:53] <UpuWork> think I've sorted him
[07:53] <Elwell> (not so much on m-ways, but regions are a PITA)
[07:54] <eroomde> morn
[07:55] <UpuWork> morning Ed
[07:55] <daveake> gm ed
[08:04] <griffonbot> Received email: NickB "[UKHAS] Re: SDR + Front End Filter/Amp"
[08:04] <fsphil> I've lost count now :)
[08:05] <Elwell> >10?
[08:06] <Elwell> it's the new FCD / Raspberry Pi demand :-)
[08:06] <fsphil> I can't get fedora working properly on my pi :(
[08:07] <daveake> "In other news, HAB Supplies has been bought by RS"
[08:07] <eroomde> i did get my sarantel antennas in rs bags so no surprise :p
[08:07] <fsphil> prices will now be adjusted to reflect
[08:08] <UpuWork> 15 Elwell
[08:09] <UpuWork> lol eroomde
[08:09] <eroomde> i do like rs
[08:10] <eroomde> trade accounts with rs and farnell makes me a happy hacker. 'i need dis' and thus it arives the next morn
[08:10] <fsphil> RS have everything, but it'll cost you
[08:10] <UpuWork> they don't have everything
[08:10] <UpuWork> annoyingly
[08:10] <eroomde> farnell tend to do better for electronic components
[08:11] <eroomde> rs often do better for a random pneumatic valve
[08:13] <gonzo_> they used to have everything.
[08:14] <gonzo_> now you get fobbed off with, 'in stock in 4 weeks', which lasts for months
[08:14] <UpuWork> that annoys me
[08:15] <eroomde> US Stock, 15 days deivery, £15 surcharge
[08:15] <eroomde> my fav
[08:15] <UpuWork> oh yeah <3 for that one
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[09:25] <fsphil> microsoft are like an embarrasing uncle at a wedding
[09:28] <fsphil> ok maybe not microsoft as a whole, just Ballmer
[09:28] <nosebleed_> lol
[09:29] <daveake> monkey boy
[09:30] <daveake> He needs therapy
[09:31] <nosebleed_> damn, I cant find a helium regulator. They sell me one new at 70e.
[09:31] <nosebleed_> I buy it and then not use it again in my lif :(
[09:32] <daveake> See if you can get a balloon helium cylinder instead of the industrial one you got
[09:32] <gonzo_> in the UK, you get one with the bottle hire, when you hire from a balloon supplies company#
[09:32] <gonzo_> snap
[09:32] <daveake> Balloon ones have a regulator built in
[09:33] <nosebleed_> I didnt know that.
[09:33] <nosebleed_> Now the cylinder it bought. Cannot return it.
[09:33] <nosebleed_> it/is
[09:34] <gonzo_> I'd think that you can use any suitable pressure reg, you just need the correct fitting for the He bottle
[09:34] <nosebleed_> I'm not so much in these things. I don't want to try things alone.
[09:35] <nosebleed_> and there is noone here to help
[09:35] <gonzo_> buy one then ebay it?
[09:35] <nosebleed_> yes but I dont know which one is suitable
[09:35] <nosebleed_> my tank shows 'sapio'
[09:36] <daveake> You go to the cylinder supplier and ask for a regulator to fit the cylinder that they sold to you
[09:36] <gonzo_> buy an He one then ebay it afterwards
[09:36] <gonzo_> will they hire you a reg:?
[09:36] <nosebleed_> gonzo_: http://imagebin.org/216519
[09:37] <nosebleed_> gonzo_: i dont understand your last phrase
[09:37] <nosebleed_> also: http://imagebin.org/216520
[09:38] <nosebleed_> I already spoke with the supplier. They sell me it for 70euro.
[09:38] <nosebleed_> the country doesnt have to it and they sell it 70e
[09:38] <nosebleed_> it/eat
[09:38] <gonzo_> ask the shop twhere you brought the bottle, if they will loan or hire a suitable regulator for that bottle
[09:38] <UpuWork> jsut tell them you are filling party balloons and can you have an adaptor
[09:40] <UpuWork> http://my.page-flip.co.uk/?userpath=00000013/00012513/00045524/&page=39
[09:40] <UpuWork> that one at the bottom left of page 67
[09:41] <UpuWork> http://my.page-flip.co.uk/?userpath=00000013/00012513/00045524/&page=67 try that instead
[09:44] <nosebleed_> fsphil said i dont have that BOC thing
[09:44] <UpuWork> ok
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[09:52] <fsphil> I said I *think* you have an air products cylinder
[09:53] <fsphil> the company seems to be an italian branch of air products
[09:53] <fsphil> but I've never seen an air products cylinder so I can't be certain
[09:55] <nosebleed_> Im not certain for anything!
[09:56] <nosebleed_> gonzo_: even if I buy it, then who the hell is going to buy it from me on ebay?
[09:57] <daveake> I've used an AP balloon gas ("balloonium") cylinder. Those are like this - http://www.myweddingforless.co.uk/images/helium/MW4L_Helium_TH.jpg
[09:57] <daveake> Not seen a He gas like nosebleed's
[09:57] <daveake> cylinder*
[09:57] <nosebleed_> lol
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[09:58] <daveake> nosebleed_, you've got some choices. 1 - Buy that regulator and then sell on ebay. 2 - Ask to borrow or rent it. 3 - Take the cylinder back and get a balloon gas one.
[09:59] <daveake> (2) is ideal if you can do it
[09:59] <daveake> Otherwise, sorry but you're going to be spending more money than you thought.
[09:59] <nosebleed_> option 2 already asked and not available
[09:59] <daveake> 4 - Find a suitable regulator/filler on ebay
[10:00] <nosebleed_> but I didnt ask the supplier himself. I asked the shop that brings me the tank.
[10:00] <daveake> I'd do (1), as you know it'll fit.
[10:00] <nosebleed_> I now sent a mail to the shop to give me the supplier's number. I'll call them and see if they can rent me one.
[10:01] <nosebleed_> if answer is negative I'll pray that this country won't die soon and give the 70e from my savings which are of much importance right now.
[10:02] <daveake> It's not a cheap hobby
[10:04] <nosebleed_> yeah
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[10:09] <gonzo_> cheaper than many
[10:10] <eroomde> yeah you could be flying model helicopters
[10:10] <eroomde> count your blessings
[10:11] <nosebleed_> well, they sold me 9cm of helium at the price of 5cm.
[10:11] <nosebleed_> Its for 2 mission.
[10:12] <nosebleed_> missions*
[10:12] <eroomde> m^3 is a better unit than cm
[10:12] <nosebleed_> and they told me to use how much I want
[10:12] <eroomde> just to save confusion
[10:12] <nosebleed_> cubic meter :)
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[10:13] <daveake> A 9m3 cylinder here is £105 (¬126), for 1 month's rental including filler
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[10:20] <nosebleed_> I gave money for the cylinder itself and they told me they will give it back to me whenever I finish my job.
[10:21] <nosebleed_> I paid ~100euro for 5.5 m^3 but the tank contains 9 m^3.
[10:21] <nosebleed_> and they told me to use them all if I want
[10:22] <nosebleed_> the tank is taller than me
[10:22] <nosebleed_> :P
[10:23] <nosebleed_> I had on buddy with me who was in afganistan (NATO) last year, and he actually carry it and I was laughing
[10:23] <nosebleed_> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/556666_471800439500672_55581706_n.jpg
[10:24] <gonzo_> I though laughung gas was niotrous-oxide?
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[10:29] <daveake> Any recommendations for a humidity sensor? This is for a foil flight so won't get that cold but does need to be lightweight
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[10:32] <daveake> This one is specced to -40 so seems ideal - http://proto-pic.co.uk/humidity-and-temperature-sensor-dht22/
[10:32] <daveake> - but I wonder if anyone has flown something with good/bad results?
[10:35] <eroomde> Dan-K2VOL has done some humidity work for speedball
[10:35] <daveake> tvm I'll ask him when he's on
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[10:53] <eroomde> the office now has a spiffy new NAT server
[10:53] <eroomde> we had an old 1U thing as the nat before, whirring away with fans
[10:53] <fsphil> fans are reassuring
[10:53] <eroomde> it's been replaced by the even more powerful and completely silent mega expensive Raspberry Pi
[10:54] <fsphil> my pi keeps crashing :(
[10:54] <UpuWork> I need an SD card for mine
[10:55] <eroomde> this one hasn't crashed *yet*
[10:55] <kokey> I'm thinking of building a small backup NAS with a Pi
[10:55] <eroomde> it has an apple usb-ethernat adaptor that costs more than it does going to our incoming network line
[10:56] <eroomde> then its own ethernet going to the switch
[10:56] <eroomde> kokey: yeah same
[10:57] <eroomde> maybe just a dyn-dns thing for my home too
[10:57] <kokey> could have just used the one NIC and a cheap hub instead of the usb-ethernet thing, unless you're paranoid
[10:58] <kokey> what's delivery on the rapsberry pi like at the moment, they're still busy doing a second manufacturing run or something?
[10:58] <eroomde> had the usb-ethernet to hand
[10:58] <eroomde> well, the ones we just got (one each from fanrel and rs) were ordered in the week of their release
[10:59] <kokey> yeah I ended up with an apple airport express somehow so that will be my lan to wifi connector
[10:59] <WillDuckworth> still waiting for my pi....
[10:59] <kokey> hopefully they'll have a regular supply of pi's out at some point
[10:59] <kokey> at the moment it feels a bit like communist issue computers
[11:00] <kokey> at least we don't have to queue to get them
[11:01] <kokey> I think by the time supply is regular, we can probably buy something similar from ASUS for cheaper
[11:02] <kokey> that said, judging by the community around the GP2X, there will still be a pi supporting community
[11:05] <kokey> hmmm, intel NUC, VIA APC
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[12:00] <SpeedEvil> If it is not between 1, and 10um in size, I suggest you return it under the distance selling act.
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[12:32] <cuddykid> :P
[12:32] <cuddykid> need a usb keyboard
[12:32] <cuddykid> PC World do one for £5 - however I detest that place
[12:33] <cuddykid> it's a rotten hole
[12:33] <cuddykid> they'll probably try and sell me some sort of warranty with it :S
[12:33] <fsphil> you'll probably not get out without them trying to sell you antivirus
[12:34] <cuddykid> lol
[12:35] <cuddykid> my linux download has now decided to slow down to 93kb/s
[12:39] <daveake> Last time I went in a pcworld I ended up sending in a complaint about the sales droid
[12:39] <cuddykid> ditto
[12:40] <fsphil> Wear a Linux tee-shirt, they'll avoid you
[12:40] <daveake> The convo in store included "one more word about the extended warranty and I'm walking out that door"
[12:40] <cuddykid> I had successfully reserved an item about 20miles away, only to get there and find their "systems" hadn't updated stock and they didn't have any
[12:40] <daveake> lol
[12:40] <cuddykid> haha
[12:41] <cuddykid> I might be saved - "Argos value keyboard" only £4.99
[12:42] <cuddykid> "a highly dependable" keyboard - lol
[12:43] Action: daveake looks down at 1985 vintage IBM clacky keyboard
[12:43] <daveake> I have a spare for when it dies. But it won't :)
[12:44] <cuddykid> :)
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[12:44] <cuddykid> damn, it's a mini-din connector
[12:44] <UpuWork> IBM model M keyboards and cockroaches the only survivers of a nuclear war
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[12:47] <daveake> lol
[13:01] <fsphil> that and panasonic toughbook
[13:02] <fsphil> you can't get rid of those things. even thieves won't steal it
[13:03] <fsphil> when I got it the bag it was packaged in was full of water, they must have left it outside at the depot
[13:03] <fsphil> dried it out, and it worked perfectly
[13:05] <eroomde> i have a model m
[13:05] <eroomde> but i have to swap it for an apple shiny every now and then to give wrists and fingers a change
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[13:05] <eroomde> i want a toughbook too
[13:06] <eroomde> trying to use fldigi in a hail storm in scotland was interesting
[13:06] <eroomde> my poor macbook air
[13:06] <fsphil> they are amazing. this one is too old to run modern software sadly
[13:06] <eroomde> i think i would just need one that can run a linux without x
[13:06] <eroomde> to program atmegas and copy telemetry off etc
[13:07] <fsphil> this one is a 486. it has a very old version of linux on it
[13:08] <fsphil> it's in the attic, I must see if it still powers up
[13:08] <fsphil> been up there for about 6 years now
[13:08] <eroomde> also amazing is farnell providing eagle parts
[13:09] <eroomde> which makes me really happy
[13:09] <fsphil> eagle footprints?
[13:09] <eroomde> yeah
[13:09] <eroomde> and schem
[13:09] <fsphil> ah brilliant
[13:09] <fsphil> I missed that
[13:10] <UpuWork> yeah if they are there they are great
[13:11] <UpuWork> used them before now
[13:12] <eroomde> you need an account to download them for some reason
[13:12] <eroomde> but otherwise it's all cool
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[13:26] <cuddykid> server has arrived :D
[13:26] <cuddykid> still no keyboard though :(
[13:27] <cuddykid> eroomde: how do you do audio in on your MBA? just got one and it only supports audio out I think - guess you're using some USB contraption?
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[14:11] <eroomde> cuddykid: usb soundcard
[14:11] <cuddykid> eroomde: cheers
[14:11] <cuddykid> guess it's a cheap ebay job?
[14:13] <cuddykid> eroomde: something like http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/USB-EXTERNAL-3D-5-1-CHANNEL-AUDIO-PC-SOUND-CARD-ADAPTER-/220806006085?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_SoundCards&hash=item3369104545#ht_1141wt_1071 ?
[14:13] <nick_> eroomde: bit.ly/OxHackspace
[14:14] <daveake> Just found out that you can tell dl-fldigi where to store its configuration
[14:14] <daveake> So you can keep separate configurations, e.g. one for an EZCAP, another for a Funcube dongle, another for a Yaesu
[14:15] <daveake> Saves a bit of clicking
[14:15] <r2x0t> no, don't buy this crap
[14:16] <navrac> can you get fldigi to control the freq of the funcube?
[14:16] <UpuWork> Oh yeah I use that daveake
[14:16] <r2x0t> this external USB soundcard is completely useless
[14:16] <UpuWork> really helpful
[14:16] <daveake> navrac: I've not found out how yet
[14:16] <UpuWork> well r2x0t thats the one they give away free with the Digimaster Rig Controllers and it works fine, used it for months
[14:16] <r2x0t> wow
[14:17] <r2x0t> must be some completely different design then
[14:17] <r2x0t> I bought one
[14:17] <daveake> I've got 3 copies running now, one for each of the aforementioned receivers
[14:17] <UpuWork> the only reason I stopped using it was because I dropped my screw drive down the back of the PC and bent it
[14:17] <UpuWork> daveake how many antennas ?
[14:17] <daveake> none
[14:17] <UpuWork> lol
[14:17] <daveake> lol
[14:19] <cuddykid> UpuWork: the one I linked?
[14:19] <UpuWork> yeah though I'd just get a second hand Audigy2 over that
[14:20] <UpuWork> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Creative-Sound-Blaster-Audigy-2-PC-Computer-Upgrade-PCI-Sound-Card-SB0240-/200777169026?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_SoundCards&hash=item2ebf407882
[14:21] <cuddykid> brill, I'll order one I think
[14:21] <UpuWork> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/creative-sound-blaster-audigy-2-ZS-audigy-2-sound-blaster-ZS-creative-/230806579668?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_SoundCards&hash=item35bd24e9d4
[14:21] <UpuWork> shiney
[14:21] <UpuWork> what O/S cuddykid ?
[14:21] <cuddykid> UpuWork: silly question ;) lol Mac
[14:21] <UpuWork> some of the older soundblasters like the original Audigy don't have Windows 7 drivers
[14:21] <UpuWork> just check it works
[14:21] <cuddykid> will do :)
[14:22] <UpuWork> hmm
[14:22] <UpuWork> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Emu-E-mu-1212m-pci-24-bit-192khz-professional-audio-interface-card-120dba-/170860335166?_trksid=p4340.m1374&_trkparms=algo%3DPI.WATCH%26its%3DC%252BS%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D15%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D23047774721706476
[14:22] <UpuWork> some good old crap out there
[14:23] <cuddykid> good old ebay (for buying) not for selling!
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[14:25] <fsphil> I've a few of those usb sound dongles, they seem to work just fine
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[14:25] <fsphil> but you must sample at their native rate
[14:25] <fsphil> usually 48khz
[14:27] <r2x0t> this E-MU is great, had similar one with external connector box
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[14:57] <mattbrejza> Upu: my switch mode reg is putting out about 100mA from .7V atm, works nicely :)
[14:57] <mattbrejza> havnt yet tried with a gps
[14:57] <UpuWork> oh hey
[14:57] <UpuWork> I tried ti with some power saving
[14:57] <UpuWork> 6.5 hours from a single AAA
[14:58] <mattbrejza> turning off the radio or gps power saving mode?
[14:58] <UpuWork> no turning off
[14:58] <UpuWork> just GPS in power saving, increased gap between transmissions to 2 seconds and for those 2 seconds switch radio to low power
[14:58] <UpuWork> so the carrier stays but is reduced power
[14:59] <mattbrejza> ah i see
[14:59] <mattbrejza> i was wondering if i were to do that or turn it off all togethger
[14:59] <Laurenceb> can someone help me with github?
[15:00] <UpuWork> if you turn it off all together you loose the carrier and it become a nightmare to track
[15:00] <UpuWork> drifts when you power it back on and may drift outside of the bandwidth of the reciever
[15:00] <UpuWork> SDR will be able to see it probably
[15:00] <mattbrejza> i intended to temperature compensate anyway
[15:01] <UpuWork> there is some power up drift
[15:01] <UpuWork> have a play
[15:01] <mattbrejza> yea havnt got that far
[15:01] <mattbrejza> a component went missing from the order so i cant power up teh radio
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[15:29] <navrac> I found that changing the programmable crystal series capactior to lower and improving the heatsinking on the IC helped the drift. But didnt eliminate it
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[15:55] <Laurenceb> http://www.mpsuppliesusa.com/c-3080-3m-adhesive-transfer-tape-91022.aspx
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[15:55] <Laurenceb> wtf
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[15:55] <Laurenceb> Price: $5,438.00
[15:55] <Laurenceb> or you could buy a car
[15:57] <daveake> Well it is a large roll :)
[15:59] <nick_> It could be a large car.
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[16:16] <jcoxon> afternoon
[16:17] <eroomde> afternoooon
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[16:21] <jcoxon> hey eroomde
[16:23] <eroomde> yo
[16:23] <eroomde> how are things?
[16:24] <jcoxon> good thanks
[16:24] <jcoxon> working good shifts this week
[16:24] <eroomde> i'm having one of those days where by i'm needing a bunch of things that in first year lectures i said 'f*ck all this, i'm not specilising in this, i don;t care and i'll never need it'
[16:24] <eroomde> radiative heat transfer atm
[16:25] <eroomde> i want to see how much power my ovenised pressure sensor will be radiating to space when it flies on yuors/steve's flight
[16:25] <jcoxon> :-)
[16:25] <jcoxon> cool
[16:25] <eroomde> to size the heater
[16:25] Action: SpeedEvil passes eroomde 2 t-squares.
[16:26] <jcoxon> well we are thinking of flying on sunday
[16:27] <jcoxon> however i think your pressure sensor will be anotehr flight
[16:28] <eroomde> yes i think so too :)
[16:28] <eroomde> it'll need a bit of testing
[16:29] <jcoxon> i think we'll need to fly a normal flight soon
[16:29] <jcoxon> to do some testing
[16:29] <eroomde> yeah. it's all good data too
[16:29] <jcoxon> as i've got my spot connect working
[16:29] <jcoxon> need to see if i can put it into airborne mode
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[16:32] <SpeedEvil> https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/214831794103664640/photo/1/large
[16:32] <SpeedEvil> I wonder if there is to be a nozzle on that
[16:32] <SpeedEvil> Or if it's deliberately not very expanded, for packing reasons
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[16:34] <Laurenceb> thats for dragon?
[16:34] <SpeedEvil> The escape rockets
[16:34] <SpeedEvil> escape/retro
[16:35] <Laurenceb> in the bottom of dragon?
[16:35] <SpeedEvil> yes
[16:35] Action: Laurenceb forgets design
[16:35] <Laurenceb> oh
[16:35] <Laurenceb> i thought they used the manovering thrusters
[16:35] <SpeedEvil> Naah - those are - comparatively - tiny
[16:35] <Laurenceb> ah i see now
[16:36] <Laurenceb> atm it has a heatsheild with no holes
[16:36] <Laurenceb> theres going to be pop out sections for those?
[16:36] <SpeedEvil> Scale is hard - I think that's actually the size of a beer-barrle - the combustion chamber
[16:36] <SpeedEvil> As I understand it - no
[16:36] <SpeedEvil> the jet comes out of the sides at ~60 degrees down
[16:37] <Laurenceb> oh yeah
[16:37] <Laurenceb> ive seen that
[16:37] <Laurenceb> im guessing they have a chamfered nozzle then
[16:38] <Laurenceb> thats not there on the test rig
[16:38] <daveake> This? http://msb1959.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/spacex-dragon-with-super-draco-thrusters.jpg?w=497&h=339
[16:38] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[16:38] <SpeedEvil> redundant escape/landing rockets
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[16:45] <cuddykid> I should be able to boot this server from a USB HDD right? Doesn't have to be a USB flash drive?
[16:46] <cuddykid> trying a flash drive now just in case
[16:50] <nick_> It depends on the boot loader whether you can use USB
[16:51] <nick_> Is anyone watching the "Taking Arduino Projects to the Next Level" webcast?
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[16:52] <MrScienc1Man> dont have to be flash drive, could be hdd :)
[16:52] <MrScienc1Man> if the boot loader can hadle it
[16:53] <r2x0t> boot it off network
[16:53] <MrScienc1Man> handle*
[16:53] <MrScienc1Man> boot over FM
[16:53] <r2x0t> it's easier and all servers usually support it
[16:53] <r2x0t> there are linux images for network boot, takes 5 minutes to setup
[16:54] <r2x0t> then it downloads latest version from the internet, no need for files on DVD
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[17:17] <eroomde> nick_: I am not
[17:17] <eroomde> what does the next level involve?
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[17:20] <Upu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=c6c3v9iihgw
[17:20] <Upu> thats what engines should sound like
[17:22] <nick_> I don't know yet.
[17:22] <nick_> So far he's told me that a few functions are really useful.
[17:22] <nick_> And some generic project management hints.
[17:23] <eroomde> wow, itead studio will do 10 x 10cm x 10cm 4 layer pcbs for $99
[17:23] <eroomde> that's really bonkers
[17:23] <Dan-K2VOL> that's awesome
[17:23] <eroomde> it really is!
[17:23] <eroomde> outrageously cheap
[17:24] <eroomde> 4 layer is the way to do it too
[17:24] <eroomde> just makes routing so much easier, nd is especially advantageous from the EMI pov
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[17:25] <Dan-K2VOL> beautiful spitfire formation upu, that reminds me of the work done to try to get spitfires to go supersonic
[17:25] <Upu> slight propellor issues with that
[17:25] <nick_> Hmm
[17:25] <Dan-K2VOL> hehe and wing-ripping-off issues
[17:25] <Upu> indeed
[17:26] <nick_> Aparently the arduino has a function I really could have used yesterday.
[17:26] <Dan-K2VOL> what's that nick_ code.fix?
[17:26] <Dan-K2VOL> or broken.stopit ?
[17:27] <daveake> do.what.I.want.not.what.I.told.you.to.do
[17:27] <Dan-K2VOL> haha yes
[17:28] <eroomde> you want python for that daveake
[17:29] <eroomde> i remember the first time i tried, on a whim, when i was just starting out, 'for lines in file: print line'
[17:29] <nick_> Their stream functions for parsing data.
[17:30] <eroomde> http://bit.ly/KK7lzy
[17:30] <daveake> :)
[17:30] <eroomde> line in file*
[17:31] <Dan-K2VOL> ah yes nick_ those can be handy
[17:31] <nick_> I spent a lot of time angry with C yesterday trying to parse a configuration file.
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[17:32] <cuddykid> woo, got it to boot :D
[17:32] <cuddykid> unetbootin wasn't creating a bootable image
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[17:38] <nick_> Now he's telling me how to write a basic C program with a header file...
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[17:43] <nick_> He wants me to avoid my beloved interrupts.
[17:44] <nick_> Oh, now he's getting on to unexposed atmega capabilities.
[17:44] Action: zyp interrupts nick_
[17:44] Action: nick_ screws up what he was previously doing
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[17:46] <nick_> Oh, input capture sounds interesting.
[17:50] <nick_> Best lesson from the webcast: read the atmega datasheet
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[18:05] <eroomde> welcome to the party, pal
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[18:09] <zyp> nick_, «interesting»
[18:10] <zyp> it's useful for measuring times between signal transitions
[18:10] <zyp> and that's pretty much it
[18:10] <eroomde> useful though just for that
[18:10] <zyp> yes, but not very «interesting» :p
[18:11] <eroomde> true
[18:11] <zyp> and IIRC input capture on AVR is rather limited, isn't it?
[18:11] <zyp> like one capture channel per timer?
[18:11] <eroomde> though nothing on a microcontroller is really inherently interesting, more what you end up doing with it
[18:12] <nick_> I realised that it's how the sensor I was (will be?) given works.
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[18:13] <nick_> I'll swing by my £2k/yr post box on the way home, maybe it arrived already.
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[18:14] <eroomde> what sensor have you got?
[18:14] <nick_> The ultrasound one.
[18:14] <eroomde> ah righty
[18:14] <eroomde> cool
[18:15] <zyp> the kind that encodes distance as pulse width?
[18:15] <nick_> yes
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[18:15] <zyp> input capture is suited to decode that kind of signal
[18:15] <nick_> Yes
[18:15] <nick_> So it's interesting that I learnt about its existence just hwen I need it.
[18:16] <eroomde> fate
[18:16] <nick_> procrastination often leads to fate
[18:16] <nick_> Gotta dash
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[18:16] <eroomde> yes you can say that again
[18:17] <eroomde> i spent my entire degree doing space things instead
[18:17] <eroomde> best decision of my life
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[18:55] <Upu> whoever was asking about the DS18B20's from E-Bay , I bought 10 from China for £10 and they all seem to work
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[19:05] <daveake> I've had no trouble with mine
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[19:52] <Elwell> Upu: twas me, ta
[19:52] <Upu> do you want a couple ?
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[19:53] <Elwell> nah I need a pile ta
[19:53] <Upu> ok
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[19:53] <Elwell> I'm thinking of creating poles with lots on to try and get a vertical profile of heat in the datacentre
[19:54] <Elwell> as well as slapping some around the heating manifolds at home
[19:56] <Upu> oh ok
[19:56] <Upu> have fun with that :)
[19:57] <fsphil> hah
[19:58] <Elwell> (hence why ebay prices rather than rs/farnell)
[20:00] <fsphil> I've too many files
[20:01] <fsphil> spread across too many drives
[20:01] <Elwell> fsphil: I'll send you my dead HDD which solved that issue for me ;-/
[20:01] <fsphil> euu
[20:02] <fsphil> I've been lucky and not lost too much data to dead drives
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[20:28] <thecduck> is it just my system, or does dl-fldigi not update the logfile as frequently as it should? it's supposed to update the .txt file character by character?
[20:28] <jcoxon> evening
[20:28] <thecduck> i'm on a windows 7 x64 system btw
[20:28] <thecduck> good evening!
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[20:29] <fsphil> the OS is probably caching it thecduck
[20:29] <fsphil> fldigi does output the decoded text to a tcp port
[20:29] <fsphil> it may not have the buffering problem
[20:31] <fsphil> localhost, port 7322
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[20:33] <jcoxon> evening fsphil
[20:33] <fsphil> hiya jcoxon, missed you earlier
[20:33] <jcoxon> np
[20:33] <jcoxon> was going to ask about sat doppler
[20:33] <jcoxon> so plan13 can tell you what freq you should be on
[20:33] <jcoxon> what sort of range should we use if we were to hit the ISS?
[20:34] <fsphil> how far off frequency?
[20:35] <thecduck> fsphil: aha! i'll check it out
[20:36] <jcoxon> fsphil, yeah
[20:36] <thecduck> fsphil: can I simply listen to it using wireshark etc.?
[20:36] <fsphil> thecduck: telnet will do -- depends what you're doing with it tbh
[20:37] <fsphil> jcoxon: how much time does +/- 2khz give us?
[20:37] <jcoxon> not sure
[20:38] <fsphil> I guess a simple way to test is to listen to the iss passing
[20:38] <fsphil> without any doppler correction, see when the first and last packet is received
[20:38] <fsphil> the reverse should be true
[20:38] <thecduck> fsphil: awesome. thanks!
[20:39] <daveake> fsphil re port buffering - no buffering - characters come out immediately
[20:39] <WillDuckworth> jcoxon - it'll be minutes if that won't it
[20:39] <thecduck> daveake: it's not updating in chunks on your computer?
[20:40] <fsphil> the tcp port isn't buffered
[20:40] <fsphil> the logfile may be
[20:40] <thecduck> yeah, the tcp port updates straight away
[20:40] <thecduck> but the log file seems to be on my pc
[20:41] <thecduck> *lagging
[20:41] <fsphil> yea, just buffering going on
[20:41] <thecduck> do you know if there is a way to prevent it from buffering?
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[20:42] <fsphil> doubtful
[20:42] <F6AGV> night all
[20:42] <fsphil> hiya F6AGV
[20:42] <F6AGV> short visit
[20:42] <nick_> Someone on Design Spark asked if anyone was interested with working on using RPis to receive radio.
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[20:43] <fsphil> I tried fldigi nick_, wasn't able to run it real time yet
[20:43] <fsphil> but it might have been because it wasn't compiled with the best flags for the pi
[20:44] <WillDuckworth> fsphil - just tring to make your habhound - it's moaning about osmgpsmap - any ideas?
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[20:45] <nick_> fsphil: might the new debian version help?
[20:45] <fsphil> you'll need that install osm-gps-map-devel on fedora, not sure on others
[20:46] <fsphil> there was talk of a debian version optimised for the rpi, that one nick_?
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[20:46] <nick_> There's a beta been released that has a firmware update and kernel patches to improve performance.
[20:46] <fsphil> oooh
[20:46] <nick_> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1435
[20:47] <fsphil> I'll give that a spin tonight
[20:47] <Upu> I just downloaded that
[20:47] <Upu> Going to try it tomorrow
[20:47] <fsphil> what distro WillDuckworth?
[20:47] <WillDuckworth> dreaded ubuntu fsphil - just hunting
[20:47] <fsphil> lol
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[20:48] <fsphil> it should definitely be packaged for ubuntu
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[20:51] <fsphil> yay torrents
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[21:02] <WillDuckworth> fsphil - installing libosmgpsmap-dev and libsoup2.4-dev gets further
[21:03] <WillDuckworth> now honking on about yajl
[21:06] <fsphil> nice
[21:06] <fsphil> yajl or libyajl should be there too
[21:08] <fsphil> if not you may need to compile it from scratch
[21:08] <fsphil> but I'm sure it was there
[21:09] <WillDuckworth> cool - will play
[21:11] <WillDuckworth> ttfn
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[21:16] <Elwell> fsphil: any screenshots of habhound? (found github repo)
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[21:17] <Elwell> ah - nvm I see gordon's already pointed you to aprsmap
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[21:22] <fsphil> it's very similar to aprsmap
[21:23] <fsphil> trying to find a screenshot
[21:23] <jcoxon> goodness i dislike packet radio on windows
[21:24] <Upu> I never worked out how to transmit / relay back but AGWPE seemed to work
[21:24] <jcoxon> its madness
[21:25] <Upu> its messy though
[21:25] <jcoxon> very messy
[21:27] <fsphil> Elwell: http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/files/habhound-sonde.png
[21:27] <Upu> there doesn't seem to be any sensible instructions on how to set up an iGate under windows
[21:28] <jcoxon> its very ham
[21:29] <Upu> thats a polite way of putting it :)
[21:29] <Upu> One day I'll sit down and work out how to do it
[21:29] <G0DJA> Just use UI-View32 Upu !!!
[21:29] <jcoxon> packet will be in dl-fldigi soon
[21:29] <Upu> oh yeah thats user friendly
[21:29] <Upu> is that the one that makes your eyes bleed when you open it ?
[21:30] <G0DJA> I didn't have as much problem with it as I did with the American APRS programs - Take it up with Bob...
[21:30] <Upu> I'll revisit it
[21:31] <jcoxon> G0DJA, hehe, i think its an amazing system
[21:31] <jcoxon> and i understand that once its all working you leave it be
[21:31] <G0DJA> Unfortunately, unless you are in touch with a medium, the developer of Ui-View is beyond the veil
[21:31] <jcoxon> thats true
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[21:33] <G0DJA> I spent hours/years helping to test to breaking the UI-View system but iGates sort of killed the whole APRS system in the UK, IMHO
[21:33] <jcoxon> G0DJA, as in you just look on aprs.fi?
[21:34] <G0DJA> But, who am I, only someone who bothered to download Dos-APRS and test it with someone using a simple packet reader back when the RSGB actually discouraged experimentation in this 'new fangled mode'...
[21:35] <G0DJA> No, this was pre- APRS on the internet
[21:35] <jcoxon> oh i get that but i mean teh igates killing hte aprs system
[21:36] <oh7lzb> aprsis32 isn't too bad, and at least it's getting better over time
[21:36] <G0DJA> My mate was using a UK101 !!!
[21:37] <oh7lzb> the AGW author can't figure out the difference between Unicode and UTF-8 and UCS-16, and refuses to open his eyes to the subtle differences, so I guess there's nothing to be done there to fix it
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[21:37] <G0DJA> I live on a bit of a hill... 3 Bl%$dy iGates spewing stuff onto 144.800 all at the same time was a good idea?
[21:37] <Upu> I thought that i-gates and repeating was the whole idea of it or did I miss the point ?
[21:38] <G0DJA> And they told me off if I dared to gate selected HF to VHF stuff - give me a break...
[21:38] <oh7lzb> I sure wish the software was easier to set up, and had limits in place so that it would be IMPOSSIBLE to do really stupid things
[21:38] <oh7lzb> like, they shouldn't have free-form PATH input, just a pull-down menu of a few sensible and useful settings
[21:38] <G0DJA> Try taking the whole of the APRS feed from one or other internet feed and spew that out as a continual stream on VHF and see how popular that is...
[21:39] <jcoxon> oh well - we can play with the dl-fldigi spacenear.us setup
[21:39] <G0DJA> Upu - believe me - I know of which I speak...
[21:39] <oh7lzb> so that a good percentage of users wouldn't type in "WIDE2-3" or "WIDE 3-3" or "WIDE9-9"
[21:39] <G0DJA> WIDE was the beginning of the end
[21:40] <G0DJA> TRACEn-N at least gave you a clue where it was coming from
[21:40] <G0DJA> This 'new' Wide' paradigm is a joke - not many people understand it let alone implement it properly
[21:41] <oh7lzb> Ok, enough ranting, time to go and install a couple of hard disks for the cause...
[21:41] <oh7lzb> just checked in for the flights towards Friedrichshafen
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[21:41] <jcoxon> oh7lzb, hehe
[21:41] <G0DJA> I saw stuff like "Trace5-5,G0DJA,Wide7-7" when I was nowhere near the end of their TRACE paths...
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[21:43] <G0DJA> oh7lzb are you going? I'm just booking my car parking this side for the flight to Frankfurt to pick up a car to Friedrichshafen
[21:43] <jcoxon> when is Friedrichshafen?
[21:43] <G0DJA> This Friday to Sunday
[21:43] <jcoxon> oh cool
[21:44] <jcoxon> we are going to launch eurus2 on sunday perhaps
[21:44] <oh7lzb> Yes, flying air berlin, arriving in Munchen at 10PM tomorrow
[21:44] <jcoxon> it'll head initially out towards the netherlands then turn round and head back
[21:44] <G0DJA> My partner paid my flight and hotel for my 50th birthday present
[21:45] <oh7lzb> Come say hi to lecture room Paris at 2PM on Saturday, there'll be an aprs.fi presentation there
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[21:47] <G0DJA> I'm landing in Frankfurt 14:35 and driving to the Hotel zum Lowen in Meckenbeuren
[21:47] <oh7lzb> Ok, gotta go now, seeya
[21:47] <G0DJA> OK - I have the lecture programme so I'll put a red ring round that one :-)
[21:47] <G0DJA> CUL>>
[21:48] <joph> 14:35 CET?
[21:49] <joph> G0DJA, what's in friedrichshafen this weekend?
[21:50] <fsphil> hey this optimised version of debian for the rpi is great
[21:50] <joph> oh, it's HAM time :D
[21:50] <joph> fsphil, is it faster? the first time I used it, it was very slow
[21:50] <fsphil> a lot more responsive than the normal debian image
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[21:51] <fsphil> I can actually do more than one thing at a time
[21:51] <fsphil> and midori loaded a webpage in less than a minute
[21:51] <fsphil> don't know what they've done but it's working
[21:52] <joph> nice, thanks for the reminder, i would have missed it
[21:52] <joph> may we see us on the HAM
[21:52] <joph> fsphil, lol, midori caused a system crash during browsing :D
[21:52] <fsphil> installing fldigi, see if that's performing any better
[21:52] <fsphil> hah
[21:52] <joph> i prefer the arch way ;)
[21:53] <fsphil> midori basically stopped everything else working when I tried it before
[21:53] <fsphil> I'm a fedora guy, but that's not working well on the rpi ta all
[21:53] <joph> swapping with the raspberry is a big problem
[21:53] <joph> sd card and usb are to slow
[21:53] <fsphil> I've a little usb hdd for swap
[21:53] <joph> this works?
[21:53] <fsphil> yea
[21:53] <joph> my 2,5" hdd is already installed on my dockstar ;)
[21:54] <fsphil> for fedora I copied the OS image onto an hdd, and tweaked the SD card to use that as root
[21:54] <joph> did you try a dvb-t stick SDR?
[21:54] <fsphil> going to try that shortly
[21:55] <fsphil> just raw capture, not processing
[21:55] <fsphil> installing fldigi atm
[21:55] <fsphil> and still able to use the computer while aptitude is running
[21:55] <fsphil> I couldn't do that before
[21:59] <joph> may I'll get a signal generator at the HAM
[22:01] <fsphil> how useful is a signal gen?
[22:03] <fsphil> hmm.. fldigi crashes
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[22:08] <Laurenceb_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P86fPsC_cCQ
[22:08] <Laurenceb_> ^what julian assange is listening to
[22:09] <Laurenceb_> or Julian Assange the music video
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[22:15] <G0DJA> sorry joph was booking car parking this side
[22:15] <joph> fsphil, for measuring in analog circuits: very important
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[22:16] <G0DJA> Now got flight, hotel, HAM ticket german hire car and car park at airport sorted. ;-)
[22:16] <joph> i'll repair a high end pre amp next week (just awaiting my scope out of the reparation
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[22:18] <G0DJA> Just put driving licence and passport in the pack as well - all ready to go
[22:19] <G0DJA> I may take 1 2m/70cm FM radio in but when I took them to Dayton got no contacts at all so was waste of weight payment...
[22:19] <joph> i already asked a friend of me
[22:19] <G0DJA> I took loads of useless stuff to USA than no one talked to me on. LOL
[22:20] <G0DJA> This time 1 radio 1 charger = my limit
[22:20] <joph> he's a ham and he has 70cm, 2m and so on
[22:20] <joph> be careful with 4m ;)
[22:20] <G0DJA> I have 4M here but not taking it as no CEPT agreement
[22:21] <G0DJA> In DL they use strange frequencies like 49.450MHz and above...
[22:22] <G0DJA> I know - I've worked DL on 4M Meteor Scatter. LOL
[22:23] <joph> just 94km to drive, nice
[22:23] <joph> less than an hour :D
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[22:26] <G0DJA> I'm driving from Frankfurt - 4 hours
[22:27] <G0DJA> But I land at 14:35 so no problem
[22:27] <joph> thursday?
[22:27] <G0DJA> Yes, Thursday
[22:28] <G0DJA> Leave Monday
[22:28] <G0DJA> So time to look at the scenery :-)
[22:30] <joph> may you have a look at the facebook party in kaufering *g*
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[22:31] <G0DJA> Facebook party?
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[22:32] <joph> a 13/14 year old girl created on facebook a public birthday party, after a few hours 18.000 promises ;)
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[22:33] <G0DJA> Ah, no, I don't want to go there then
[22:33] <joph> it's just a gag
[22:33] <joph> a lot of work for the police
[22:33] <G0DJA> Maybe, but here they call it 'grooming'...
[22:34] <joph> the girl already cancelled the party but you can't stop the masses
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[22:34] <joph> *crowds
[22:34] <G0DJA> We had similar problems with music 'raves' in the 1990s
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[22:35] <joph> they announced already a sentence of 1000¬ for everyone who want's to make a party there to stop people from going there
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[22:36] <G0DJA> I'll just have a beer in the hotel or walk into whatever the town is in an evening for a meal
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[22:37] <joph> what about a bar hop? :D
[22:37] <G0DJA> I used to travel to Poland/France/Germany wityh work, so I can at least buy a beer and a meal on my own...
[22:37] <G0DJA> with
[22:38] <G0DJA> Pub crawls are no good when you have to get up and drive the next day - bad idea!
[22:38] <G0DJA> German Police, like UK Police will not be very pleased...
[22:40] <joph> i know
[22:40] <joph> but i never had contact with the police ;)
[22:40] <G0DJA> Neither have I and I plan to keep it that way
[22:44] <joph> you have to handle this situtation ;)
[22:47] <G0DJA> Good Night - Last day of work before holidays in the morning
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