[00:00] <r2x0t> what sdr you are using?
[00:01] <fsphil> spectravue with funcube dongle
[00:01] <r2x0t> ah
[00:02] <fsphil> there it goes again
[00:02] <r2x0t> well, SV likes to stop when it doesn't have enough data on input, it may happen because samplerate from FCD isn't exactly what you entered in SV input properties
[00:02] <fsphil> gqrx works a lot lot better, but won't compile with my older gnuradio
[00:02] <fsphil> 14.6km up
[00:06] <fsphil> it's following the motorway almost perfectly
[00:06] <fsphil> weird to think that there's quite a few of these in the air right now all over the planet
[00:07] <r2x0t> yes, probably ~200
[00:08] <fsphil> I could probably hear some of the english ones
[00:09] <fsphil> oooh cool
[00:09] <fsphil> I think I hear an analogue one
[00:10] <r2x0t> they are not cool... can't decode position from them
[00:10] <fsphil> not sure if it actually is
[00:10] <fsphil> sounds like dot-dee-dee dot-dee-dee
[00:11] <fsphil> aand spectravue has died again
[00:11] <r2x0t> http://www.r00t.cz//rs92kl.PNG
[00:12] <fsphil> http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/Record0_20120611_001102.wav
[00:13] <r2x0t> yes, that sounds about right
[00:14] <fsphil> wonder who launched it
[00:14] <fsphil> there's another one just a bit lower frequency, much weaker
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[00:15] <fsphil> actually there's more
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[00:15] <fsphil> about four or five
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[00:15] <fsphil> and more of that weird rtty-like signal
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[00:24] <griffonbot> Received email: Matthew Brejza "[UKHAS] Re: UoS Physics Outreach Project Launch Announcement, Monday
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[00:37] <smrtz> wait, r2x0t could I just "split" the connection comeing out of the arduino to the proggraming cable, and the U-BLOX? or would the U-BLOX getting the data from programming the arduino be bad?
[00:38] <Lunar_Lander> smrtz, what arduino do you have?
[00:38] <Lunar_Lander> Uno or Mega?
[00:38] <smrtz> mini pro, 3.3v
[00:38] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[00:38] <Lunar_Lander> my trick does work on mega only
[00:38] <Lunar_Lander> I used that hardware serial code
[00:38] <r2x0t> programming data to ublox doesn't matter
[00:39] <smrtz> great, thanks
[00:39] <Lunar_Lander> replaced all the "Serial" by "Serial1" to use UART1
[00:39] <Lunar_Lander> and "mySerial" to Serial to use the hardware Serial UART0
[00:39] <r2x0t> you only need to switch INPUT serial pin into atmel
[00:39] <Lunar_Lander> but on mini that obviously doesn't work
[00:40] <r2x0t> between GPS and programming USB<>RS232 cable
[00:40] <smrtz> well, I'm using a borrowed uno to program the mini.
[00:40] <smrtz> so I don't have the cable.
[00:40] <r2x0t> wait
[00:41] <r2x0t> and you are using uart pins for programming?
[00:41] <smrtz> uart?
[00:41] <r2x0t> serial
[00:41] <smrtz> yes
[00:41] <smrtz> http://www.instructables.com/id/Arduino-Examples-2-Use-an-Arduino-as-a-FTDI-Progr/#step1
[00:41] <smrtz> to the 6 pins at the bottem of the mini
[00:41] <r2x0t> with setup like this, you could use ACP programming pins intead
[00:42] <smrtz> wait, what? oh
[00:42] <smrtz> ok, I guess I'll figure that out...
[00:42] <smrtz> thanks
[00:47] <smrtz> hmm I can't find anything, what does ACP stand for, that might help?
[00:49] <r2x0t> http://www.arduino.cc/playground/Code/MegaISP
[00:50] <smrtz> oh, thanks.
[00:50] <r2x0t> http://arduino.cc/en/Tutorial/ArduinoISP
[00:51] <smrtz> time to get to work I guess. I really like this, its much simpler than what I was doing/ what we talked about doing.
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[01:26] <smrtz> r2x0t, I'm reading that using arduino ISP is more likely to brick it, than using what I was doing. so do I really gain anything by doing that over just "spliting" the connection?
[01:30] <zyp> no, you are not more likely to brick it
[01:33] <zyp> the only way you could brick it by ISP is by changing the fuses to wrong values
[01:33] <smrtz> oh, well then. It still seems easier just to continue doing what I was and "split" the connection, is there any down side to doing it that way?
[01:33] <zyp> but that's irrelevant, because you're not going to change the fuses
[01:34] <smrtz> you're right, I would never do that...
[01:34] <zyp> splitting the connection? just make sure you don't connect two outputs directly together
[01:35] <smrtz> like, I was doing this, http://www.instructables.com/id/Arduino-Examples-2-Use-an-Arduino-as-a-FTDI-Progr/#step1
[01:35] <zyp> i.e. don't connect both gps-tx and programmer-tx to arduino-rx
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[01:35] <smrtz> and I'm going to solder in the gps
[01:36] <zyp> run a resistor in series with the gps-tx-signal
[01:36] <smrtz> ok, like 10k?
[01:36] <zyp> that way, the programmer will have control of the signal when connected, because it will be stronger than the gps signal coming through the resistor
[01:37] <smrtz> oh, damn, thats nice
[01:37] <smrtz> so like that one 470ohm one I have lying around
[01:37] <SpeedEvil> 470 is too small
[01:37] <SpeedEvil> (ideally)
[01:37] <zyp> nah, not really
[01:37] <zyp> is this 3.3 or 5V?
[01:38] <smrtz> oh, then I guess I had it backwards? so 10k? I also have a 4.7k
[01:38] <smrtz> and 3.3
[01:38] <SpeedEvil> 4k7 would be ideal
[01:38] <zyp> 3.3k is probably fine
[01:38] <smrtz> what was the math for that?
[01:39] <zyp> U/I
[01:39] <smrtz> wut?
[01:39] <zyp> or U/R
[01:39] <zyp> :p
[01:39] <smrtz> ahh
[01:39] <smrtz> thanks
[01:39] <zyp> I mean
[01:40] <zyp> if this is a 3.3V system, and you run a 3.3k resistor, it will be 3.3/3.3k = 1mA
[01:40] <smrtz> wait, type that in to google. haha
[01:40] <smrtz> "U/R"
[01:40] <zyp> that means that the programmer will at most have to drive the signal with 1mA
[01:40] <zyp> and that's perfectly fine
[01:41] <zyp> unless there are some protection resistors on the programmer
[01:41] <smrtz> ok, I don't have a 3.3k though, would 4.7k work, or should I go to radio shack?
[01:41] <smrtz> and I'm using an UNO to program this
[01:42] <zyp> hmm
[01:42] <zyp> I believe there might be some protection resistors present
[01:42] <zyp> and that will complicate it :p
[01:42] <smrtz> yeah, I think I have a volt meter somewhere around here.
[01:43] <zyp> well, I'm off to bed, I'll let somebody with actual arduino experience handle this
[01:43] <smrtz> k, thanks
[01:44] <smrtz> SpeedEvil, what made you say 4.7 would be ideal?
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[05:14] <SamSilver> how can i call up yesterdays log?
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[05:38] <Upu> SamSilver http://habhub.org/zeusbot/
[05:38] <SamSilver> thanx upu
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[07:02] <nosebleedkt_> hello everybody
[07:02] <nosebleedkt_> I went to civil aviation authorities to write the request for notam :)
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[07:21] <SamSilver> morning jcoxon & daveake
[07:21] <daveake> Morning :)
[07:21] <daveake> boy did I need that sleep
[07:21] <UpuWork> tell me about it
[07:21] <number10> urgh
[07:21] <UpuWork> however I now have some sort of proto cold
[07:21] <UpuWork> the only symptoms of which are I'm very snotty
[07:31] <jcoxon> morning
[07:32] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Randall "[UKHAS] Re: [GPSL] Mini video cameras from eBay"
[07:33] <daveake> Morning
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[07:51] <number10> mmm, I received a lot of frames from flight yesterday but only managed to upload 7 lines :( need to sort out chase pc and its internet connection
[07:52] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] Re: [GPSL] Mini video cameras from eBay"
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[08:22] <daveake> number10: I use one of these aerials - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mobile-Broadband-Antenna-Huawei-Aerial-Signal-Booster-3G-UMTS-Boost-CRC9-E353-/280891906763?pt=UK_Computing_Mobile_Broadband_Devices&hash=item4166765acb#ht_2141wt_1396
[08:22] <daveake> and a USB dongle with matching antenna socket
[08:23] <daveake> I keep meaning to shorten the cable as 5m will lose quite a bit of signal
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[08:29] <jcoxon> interesting flight path for eurus1 on sat (if ground weather is okay)
[08:29] <jcoxon> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=93c4d96e3a6e7a808c032889751e77772b22f819
[08:30] <fsphil> I can't look yet, where's it off to?
[08:31] <daveake> Ballycastle fly-past
[08:31] <daveake> via a mandlebrot
[08:32] <UpuWork> lol
[08:32] <UpuWork> whistle stop tour of the south then the north and finally over to your end fsphil
[08:33] <UpuWork> doesn't look like the antenna is going up, damn weather is just getting plain annoying
[08:33] <UpuWork> can't seem to get a day where I'm free and the weather is decent
[08:33] <fsphil> that's a tricky balancing act
[08:33] <UpuWork> all I need is it to be dry just for 5 hours
[08:34] <jcoxon> fsphil, its a good flight path
[08:35] <jcoxon> but it'll come to you again
[08:35] <fsphil> I'll be ready for it
[08:36] <fsphil> that module should be ready tonight
[08:38] <jcoxon> great
[08:38] <jcoxon> following the traj its a flight towards greenland
[08:38] <fsphil> ooh
[08:39] <fsphil> I may be on the coast his weekend if the weather is good, I should be able to track it pretty far that direction
[08:39] <fsphil> his/this
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[08:51] <eroomde> my colleague has just put some 50% peroxide into a coke bottle to take home to thoroughly clean his fridge
[08:51] <jcoxon> eek
[08:51] <eroomde> we gently suggested that he label the living fuck out of this coke bottle with warning signs and tape
[08:54] <eroomde> lest we become the subject matter for one of those health and safety in the workplace opening casualty-esque vignettes
[08:54] <jcoxon> yeah
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[09:00] <fsphil> ah that's weird, it goes all fractal and then resumes as normal
[09:02] <Elwell> https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=205152234003701879068.0004c22e1b563a8987bfe&msa=0&ll=46.572551,7.189693&spn=0.027053,0.066047 <-- looks like sundays launch went fine, but the retreval had some issues...
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[09:06] <fsphil> nice landing spot
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[09:14] <eroomde> anyone off the top of their heads know what the nearest standard size pvc pipe is to a hoywee 1600g balloon neck?
[09:16] <number10> not sure eroomde - but on last launches dave and steve used the standard one for the 1600 and just folded the neck over
[09:17] <jonsowman> eroomde: 8.3cm neck diameter
[09:18] <number10> hi jonsowman - how did your last day go?
[09:18] <jonsowman> number10: busy but glad it's over!
[09:18] <jonsowman> finished 3rd year now. terrifying
[09:19] <jonsowman> how's things with you? did the launch yesterday go well? i've been away all weekend and therefore missed them all unfortunately
[09:20] <number10> mix - I used 1200g and got quite high
[09:20] <number10> landed across power cables and small tree but recovered.
[09:20] <jonsowman> oh good
[09:20] <jonsowman> :)
[09:21] <number10> davake 1600 burst early and landed in big tree - not recovered (was only a tracker)
[09:21] <number10> shome photos from ANU-3 onboard camera http://www.flickr.com/photos/65839734@N04/sets/72157630097374400/
[09:22] <jonsowman> very nice
[09:22] <jonsowman> looks great :D
[09:22] <number10> was fun!
[09:23] <jonsowman> excellent
[09:23] <jonsowman> we've got the southampton pop launch from cambridge tomorrow if the weather holds out
[09:23] <number10> must bring radio in and hang an antenna out of windo here
[09:24] <jonsowman> :)
[09:24] <fsphil> ooh I'll try my fcd again
[09:25] <number10> lunch time launch by the looks of last email
[09:25] <jonsowman> yep
[09:25] <jonsowman> predictions are great
[09:25] <jonsowman> launching at 1pm, it only lands 11km away
[09:26] <jonsowman> it's basically landing at EARS actually
[09:26] <number10> thats great
[09:26] <number10> you get extra hab points for that
[09:26] <jonsowman> haha
[09:26] <jonsowman> :D
[09:30] <number10> strange - stats page shows two pie charts - one for today :s
[09:32] <eroomde> junderwood still hearing it from its tree?
[09:32] <number10> not sure - but that was for the buzz payload
[09:33] <number10> I know that on the new version of fldigi the payload dropdown had buzz as ANU3:buzz so maybe thats the reason
[09:34] <number10> and there is no buzz stats - so they must have been combined somehow
[09:36] <Laurenceb__> eroomde: if you are interested in stm32f1, i have got the "tnt" toolchain running
[09:37] <Laurenceb__> https://github.com/EliasOenal/TNT
[09:37] <eroomde> i'm not immediately but i'll check it out
[09:37] <Laurenceb__> its very good, about 10% off armcc in code size
[09:37] <Laurenceb__> 35% smaller than latest codesourcery on my projects
[09:39] <Laurenceb__> doesnt support F4 yet :(
[09:52] <gonzo_> how was anu3 recovered? Washed up and found?
[09:53] <UpuWork> In a tree
[09:53] <UpuWork> recovered
[09:57] <gonzo_> ah, I'm getting mixed up. I meant the one you posted the video from, north sea landing
[09:57] <eroomde> if anu were to follow apple product increment conventions then the flight that comes after anu would have to be anus
[09:57] <gonzo_> hehe
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[09:58] <gonzo_> anu3 pics show it close to pylons. HABs really do have an affinity to power cables. Must be those cosmic particles
[10:02] <UpuWork> lol eroomde
[10:02] <UpuWork> Anu5 :)
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[10:02] <UpuWork> someone didn't think that one through
[10:02] <daveake> lol
[10:03] <UpuWork> Still we shall adopt straight faces and be professional
[10:03] <daveake> It'll be PENI n next
[10:05] <number10> ANU landed in tree - prachute was across power cables but not pylons
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[10:07] <number10> UpuWork: Laurenceb has already cracked that one
[10:07] <UpuWork> I know
[10:07] <number10> maybe I will change the flight name to AN for launch # 5
[10:07] <UpuWork> I just thought it was amusing
[10:07] <jcoxon> has anyone flown a bazooka antenna
[10:08] <number10> :)
[10:08] <eroomde> yes
[10:08] <eroomde> a few times
[10:08] <jcoxon> worth it?
[10:08] <eroomde> don't like using them unless there's a good reason (i.e space constraints)
[10:09] <jcoxon> 1/4 wave GP then
[10:09] <eroomde> yep i would say def
[10:09] <fsphil> bazooka works well but have a habit of curling up
[10:09] <fsphil> or flopping about when the payload spins
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[10:10] <eroomde> i made bazookas for the esa drop vehicle infact. they were merely alright but used them only because conventional groundplanes are not very aerodynamics
[10:11] <fsphil> I used them at the time as I didn't know better :)
[10:11] <eroomde> they work for sure. also used them for the scotland rocket
[10:12] <eroomde> but i just think they're a compromise when you're space constrained
[10:12] <fsphil> the 1/4 wave gives a better signal, was more quickly detected in england
[10:13] <UpuWork> they even work upside down and bent :)
[10:14] <fsphil> yep!
[10:14] <fsphil> they do however not work well when they fall off
[10:14] <UpuWork> If anyone didn't see it this is how XABEN spent its flight yesterday :
[10:14] <UpuWork> http://www.flickr.com/photos/16828840@N07/7173618921/in/photostream/
[10:14] <jcoxon> eek
[10:15] <eroomde> someone should come up with a mantra along the lines of 'if you wouldnt be happy throwing it down the strairs then don't fly it' and say it on the channel every so often
[10:15] <jcoxon> out hte window...
[10:15] <eroomde> you never know, it might start getting through
[10:15] <number10> pics from launch yesterday http://www.flickr.com/photos/65839734@N04/sets/72157630039724435/with/7361111590/
[10:16] <fsphil> ANU had the best signal of all three that I received
[10:16] <UpuWork> yeah by a mile
[10:16] Nick change: junderwood_M0JCU -> junderwood
[10:16] <number10> eroomde: I did like the foam on the antenna you used at CUSF - used it on ANU1 same payload on ANU-2 was robust
[10:17] <junderwood> number10, Buzz died at about 23:15 yesterday
[10:17] <junderwood> RIP
[10:17] <UpuWork> indeed
[10:17] <UpuWork> at least they can lock their cars now
[10:17] <UpuWork> :)
[10:17] <eroomde> anu5, if it uses the same antenna, will have this radiation pattern http://hf-antenna.com/012/ant012-06.gif
[10:17] <junderwood> Beat me to it!
[10:17] <number10> poor buzz - he is in a nice place with a view of tennis court
[10:17] <eroomde> just sayin
[10:17] <number10> :)
[10:18] <daveake> :)
[10:18] <UpuWork> daveake just likes decorating the trees of southern england
[10:18] <UpuWork> 2 for 2
[10:18] <daveake> Just spreading the pink
[10:18] <daveake> erm that sounds rude ....
[10:18] <UpuWork> that did not sound right
[10:19] <daveake> I think I powered Buzz up at about 7am, so that's 16 hours or so of battery life, which is as expected
[10:19] <number10> niether does anu5 :(
[10:19] <eroomde> anuV
[10:19] <eroomde> solution ^
[10:19] <daveake> That's best not be pink
[10:19] <UpuWork> result
[10:19] <daveake> :D
[10:20] <number10> cheers eroomde, but it will spoil peoples fun on the day
[10:20] <UpuWork> lol
[10:20] <eroomde> or maybe borrow the firing range convention where you miss out the number '5' on a coutdown on account of its similarity to the wire 'fire' over a crackly radio
[10:20] <eroomde> and so just go from anu4 to anu6
[10:20] <eroomde> the word*
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[10:21] <UpuWork> no way thats like going from Saturn to Neptune and missing out on the planetary sniggerload that is Uranus
[10:21] <UpuWork> and I just made that word up
[10:23] <eroomde> it's good i like it
[10:23] <daveake> Uranus is full of helium
[10:24] <daveake> and has no trees
[10:24] <daveake> We should go
[10:27] <zamabe> You should practice you funny voices first, so you're prepared.
[10:27] <UpuWork> to quote fsphil you'd still find a tree daveake
[10:27] <daveake> lol
[10:28] <daveake> I'm beginning to think there are too many trees within flying distance of home
[10:29] <daveake> Ah, the day after a launch ... egg and bacon muffins :D
[10:29] <eroomde> what a nice thought
[10:30] <daveake> The nicer thought is ... those were yours ;)
[10:30] <eroomde> i had melon and toast
[10:30] <eroomde> nice coffee though
[10:30] <eroomde> mmm
[10:30] <eroomde> my new alarm clock was v effective this morning
[10:30] <eroomde> screachy
[10:30] <daveake> er, good ...
[10:30] <eroomde> it does nasty screachy beeping at 6.30 then switching to radio4 when i hit the button
[10:31] <eroomde> switches*
[10:31] <eroomde> i am pleased with it
[10:31] <number10> just in time for farming today
[10:31] <number10> ah no thats 5:30
[10:31] <eroomde> that's 5.30
[10:31] <number10> I forgot what time I get up
[10:31] <eroomde> i used to listen to that most days on that esa project
[10:31] <eroomde> was usually still up
[10:31] <eroomde> it was my cue to get an hour's sleep in the corner of the lab
[10:32] <number10> thats what I need now I think
[10:32] <daveake> :)
[10:32] <daveake> ANU 3 launch time lapse - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-YF2fyRewU&feature=youtube_gdata
[10:33] <eroomde> nice!
[10:34] <eroomde> anu2 launch looks like a windy ears
[10:34] <number10> nice daveake, you do notice on that how much longet it takes me to prepare the payload compared to you - (excuse is that I had camera)
[10:34] <eroomde> http://youtu.be/fzxU7501bws
[10:34] <eroomde> my windy ears launch video
[10:35] <eroomde> christ that was almost 5 years ago
[10:35] <daveake> number10 Yeah camera ones do take longer
[10:35] <daveake> My payload was closed up ready
[10:36] <number10> afk a bit
[10:36] <daveake> woha that was windy
[10:36] <daveake> whoa*
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[11:08] <Elwell> http://errant.woaf.net/projects/robotics/balloon/Ridiculous_hiking.jpg -- So, I suspect a beacon and foxhunt yagi will be in the next trip :-)
[11:13] <eroomde> Elwell: what's the software used to generate the probability density?
[11:14] <Elwell> eroomde: I suspect finger in the air
[11:14] <eroomde> FITA you mean
[11:15] <eroomde> and the proprietary algorithms derived from it like BestFITA
[11:16] <daveake> Buzz7 launch time lapse - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QmUrvIKF9k&feature=youtube_gdata
[11:19] <jdtanner> Just needs this and it would be perfect...
[11:19] <jdtanner> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK6TXMsvgQg
[11:19] <jdtanner> ;)
[11:21] <daveake> :)
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[11:25] <jdtanner> Anyone know of a company that could do a one/two off prototype pcb for a reasonable fee?
[11:26] <Elwell> seeed?
[11:26] <jdtanner> seeed?
[11:26] <SpeedEvil> how many layers?
[11:26] <Elwell> http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/fusion-pcb-service-p-835.html?cPath=185
[11:27] Action: SpeedEvil wishes there was a cheap service dor small 6-8 layer boards
[11:27] <jdtanner> lol&I thought that was an internet meme that I'd missed out on ;)
[11:28] <Elwell> SpeedEvil: do the hobbyist layout apps do 6-8 layers?
[11:28] <jdtanner> wow&$9 for 10&that is quite remarkable
[11:29] <SpeedEvil> Elwell: yes
[11:29] <Laurenceb> until customs rip you off
[11:29] <jonsowman> comes to about $13 with slow shipping
[11:29] <SpeedEvil> How well is another question
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[11:29] <SpeedEvil> Customs should not get involved at that value
[11:30] <Elwell> there's also http://www.spiritcircuits.com/
[11:30] <jdtanner> cool...bookmarked
[11:30] <jonsowman> yeah spirit's gonaked service is good
[11:30] <jonsowman> used that a few times
[11:30] <jonsowman> 48hr turnaround and it's free
[11:31] <jonsowman> but no solder resist
[11:31] <jonsowman> which makes smal SMD stuff a bit of a pain
[11:31] <jonsowman> *small
[11:31] <Elwell> they have 'go naked' if you prepared to do without nicities like masks
[11:31] <Elwell> see ^^
[11:31] <Elwell> :-)
[11:31] <fsphil> solder resist is nice
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[11:32] <fsphil> I think it's basically what allowed me to do those 0.5mm tracks :)
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[11:35] <jdtanner> I'm a little confused&how do Spirit offer that Naked service for free?
[11:36] <jonsowman> hoping that people will order lots later i imagine
[11:37] <jdtanner> Seems perfect for a little tracker tbh
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[11:37] <jonsowman> if you don't mind having no resist and silk
[11:38] <jonsowman> oh and you have to cut the board out yourself
[11:38] <jonsowman> this was one i did a while ago
[11:38] <jonsowman> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuspaceflight/5841870879/in/set-72157621846323425
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[11:39] <jdtanner> awesome&thanks :) What did you use to design your board?
[11:40] <jonsowman> eagle
[11:40] <jdtanner> brill...ta
[11:40] <jdtanner> as always&ukhas is a font of useful knowledge :)
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[12:29] <jonsowman> number10: daveake: can i clear the tracker?
[12:30] <number10> fine by me jonsowman
[12:30] <daveake> sure
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[12:30] <jonsowman> ta
[12:30] <jonsowman> WillDuckworth: ^
[12:30] <WillDuckworth> yep :)
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[12:30] <jonsowman> cheers
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[12:46] <fsphil> yikes, youtube have ruined their home page
[12:47] <kokey> not as bad as I see it from work
[12:47] <kokey> where youtube is blocked
[12:53] <WillDuckworth> fsphil - any hadie flights planned?
[12:54] <fsphil> there was going to be one this month, but it's probably going to be july now
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[12:55] <fsphil> conditions are great atm which is a shame
[12:55] <fsphil> landing not far from the launch site
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[12:55] <WillDuckworth> better get on to Mr Miller
[12:56] <fsphil> yea I'd sent one a while back but I'm not sure he got it, never heard back
[12:56] <fsphil> although that's normal
[13:00] <kokey> conditions great, where are you?
[13:00] <fsphil> n.ireland
[13:00] <kokey> aah
[13:00] <fsphil> I've not seen conditions this good in a while
[13:01] <kokey> it's crap here
[13:01] <kokey> around London at least
[13:01] <fsphil> the flights over the weekend seemed to have pretty good flight paths
[13:01] <eroomde> v rainy here
[13:01] <fsphil> yea we seem to have avoided the bulk of the wind and rain
[13:02] <fsphil> yesterday was sunny and warm
[13:02] <daveake> wet 'n' windy
[13:02] <fsphil> bit cloudy today
[13:02] <nick_> Oxford is very rainy today
[13:03] <WillDuckworth> how about a pico fsphil?
[13:03] <daveake> poor wet buzz
[13:04] <nick_> I don't know if this is applicable to anyone, but someone might be interested: http://mbed.org/blog/entry/UK-SMART-grants-for-prototype-to-product/
[13:04] <nick_> Grants for people prototyping/moving from prototyping to commercial products.
[13:05] <fsphil> WillDuckworth: I actually have one more or less ready
[13:05] <fsphil> hmmm
[13:06] <fsphil> just needs a balloon and helium
[13:07] <gonzo_> one out of three then!
[13:08] <nick_> Do people use hydrogen in balloons too?
[13:08] <kokey> yup, they do
[13:09] <fsphil> I'd not feel good using H2 for a pico
[13:09] <fsphil> as it'll likely land inflated
[13:09] <daveake> nope
[13:10] <daveake> I had the same thoughts
[13:10] <fsphil> gonna have to be He
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[13:11] <fsphil> will see if I can get one of those little cylinders
[13:12] <fsphil> I've got a spare uart camera from the very first hadie launch
[13:12] <fsphil> first imaging pico :)
[13:12] <fsphil> should get a nice shot of the tree it's about to land in
[13:13] <fsphil> would the lift of a pico change as the gas warms up?
[13:14] <fsphil> assuming the volume isn't increasing due to it being a super-pressure
[13:17] <daveake> BOC places should stock the little cylinders
[13:17] <daveake> Probably plenty of places have them
[13:18] <fsphil> I'll check with our local boc place tonight
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[13:21] <fsphil> will aim for weekend after next
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[13:21] <fsphil> hopefully it's heading south west
[13:21] <fsphil> or south east even
[13:27] <griffonbot> Received email: "[UKHAS] Balloons this week end"
[13:33] <eroomde> teehee i just built something on a nice server. you don't often get to type 'make -j48'. it's a bit quick
[13:33] <Randomskk> haha
[13:33] <Randomskk> I can type that all I want, it just doesn't help much normally :P
[13:34] <kokey> eroomde: heh, last time I had that was an IBM box at GlaxoSmithKline's chem and bio R&D dept
[13:35] <kokey> having 60 processors is great for some apps
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[13:38] <WillDuckworth> we briefly played with IBM X5 servers which you can join together - 80 physical cores each - then with hyper thread gave us 320 total 'CPU's (looks interesting in taskmanager)
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[13:53] <UpuWork> ping cuddykid
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[13:58] <cuddykid> hi UpuWork :)
[14:02] <Elwell> WillDuckworth: pfft, the 1st 14k cores gets boring :-)
[14:02] <WillDuckworth> ;)
[14:02] <fsphil> 4 cores is enough for anyone ;)
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[14:04] <Elwell> http://www.epcc.ed.ac.uk/qcdoc/ (decomissioned)
[14:05] <Darkside> http://pipe2.darklomax.org/pics/2012-06-09_Flinders_Gliding_Trip/index.html
[14:05] <Darkside> my weekend
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[14:07] <daveake> Buzz 7 launch video, taking by my wife who opted to hold the camera in portrait position even though she was recording a video ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCmHVRiakwA
[14:07] <daveake> taken*
[14:08] <UpuWork> Elwell now replaced by 2 x Sony PS/3's with a crossover between them ? :)
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[14:09] <Elwell> http://www.quantumdiaries.org/2011/10/31/pioneering-supercomputer-qcdoc-retires-regenerates-in-%E2%80%98next-generation%E2%80%99-qcdcq/ -- doesn't say (and I'm not at EPCC anymore)
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[14:10] <Elwell> mind you, thats a lorra lorra DIMMS to dispose of :-)
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[15:46] <nigelvh> Morning friends.
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[15:49] <nick_> I got some extra support for my detector :)
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[16:05] <eroomde> i just made valgrind segfault while trying to find the root of a segfault in my program. this must be what gandalf felt like when h realised he was going up against a balrog
[16:06] <eroomde> also that's probably the nerdiest thing i've ever written in my life, ever
[16:07] <kokey> that virginity protecting level
[16:07] <kokey> 's
[16:08] <eroomde> http://gofails.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/back-off-ladies.jpg
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[16:15] <Laurenceb> wtf
[16:15] <Laurenceb> _even I_ dont know what eroomde is talking about
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[16:30] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: Valgrind is a program to regrind engine valves.
[16:30] <SpeedEvil> Or something.
[16:30] <Laurenceb> ah
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[17:06] <Upu> ping cuddykid
[17:06] <cuddykid> hi Upu :)
[17:06] <Upu> hi
[17:06] <Upu> PM
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[17:13] <Randomskk> Laurenceb: you've never used valgrind?
[17:13] <Randomskk> perhaps you should
[17:13] <Randomskk> eroomde: clearly gdb is the thing to use to find segfaults though :P
[17:17] <eroomde> yes i found it with the backtrace in gdt eventaully
[17:17] <eroomde> something expecting a function pointer was occasionally being handed null
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[17:18] <eroomde> which is a bit viscious
[17:18] <nick_> Why did C++ ever take off?
[17:18] <nick_> Whoever thought ramming together a handful of languages was a good idea?
[17:18] <eroomde> is this a joke?
[17:18] <eroomde> oh
[17:19] <eroomde> it has been described semi famously as an octopus made by nailing extra legs onto a dog
[17:20] <nick_> I wonder how long it will hang in. It seems to me that there are more languages being designed these days.
[17:20] <nick_> And the mere fact that they are designed gives them an advantage over C++
[17:21] <eroomde> ive not done much c++ but i do think it's fine really. it seems good for personal stuff. the problems seem to arrise when you have to manage lots of colaborators on a project
[17:22] <eroomde> as they all have their own styles and don't know what's overloaded and what isn't and so on
[17:22] <nick_> You should see what physicists can do with it.
[17:23] <gonzo_> the object oriented languages seem to only be there to force some structure on programmers who don't structure things naturally
[17:23] <eroomde> but the lab i used to work in was entirely c++ (computer vision). everyone seemed to write slightly functionally, people used template meta-programming to do things like have gcc check the dimensional consistancy of the linear algebra at compile time and nice things like that
[17:23] <gonzo_> I see people using it in embedded environments where it really has no place
[17:23] <eroomde> it's fine for embedded too in principle
[17:24] <eroomde> i see nothing wrong with encapsulation or polymorphism per se
[17:24] <eroomde> infact they're A Good Thing
[17:24] <eroomde> even (especially?) in embedded
[17:24] <gonzo_> ah that's the other problem with the object world, a whole mew jargon for old concepts
[17:24] <eroomde> i think polymorphism is older than c
[17:24] <gonzo_> I understoof some of those words, like it, and ...
[17:25] <nick_> I like go's object model
[17:25] <nick_> (although I've not used it for anything real yet)
[17:25] <eroomde> obviously you don;t want the STL on an atmega, but c++ is fine i think
[17:25] <gonzo_> I'm probably jaded as I've had to suffer pc people with oo background coming to embedded
[17:26] <gonzo_> with no concep[t of any machine restraints
[17:26] <eroomde> yeah, i guess people doing stl stuff will be dangerous
[17:26] <gonzo_> (not to say all pc people are like that, just the ones I've worked with)_
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[17:27] <eroomde> not that there's anything explicitly wrong with the stl either, but i guess just blinding doing stl::sort could cause some migic smoke to come out
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[17:27] <eroomde> or thinking that appending something onto a vector is cheap
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[17:29] <nick_> I've made some attempt to actually learn about C++ recently.
[17:29] <nick_> Mostly through reading Effective C++
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[17:30] <nick_> And basically the more I learn the more I wonder what the hell people were thinking making this language popular.
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[17:32] <nick_> That book basically just teaches me that I suck using C++
[17:39] <eroomde> :)
[17:40] <eroomde> in principle i'd be happy knowing c and a higher level language and being able to knit the two together when necessary
[17:40] <eroomde> so python would be the higher level one for me
[17:40] <eroomde> because it's amazing
[17:40] <nick_> I love python
[17:41] <nick_> But I also use it for things I really shouldn't because of thast.
[17:41] <nick_> I would like to think that Go might be the future way though.
[17:42] <nick_> By which I mean a C++ replacement.
[17:44] <eroomde> i dunno
[17:45] <eroomde> we did something here at work which looks actually like a Really Nice (tm) way of doing things, which is a bunch of smaller fast c programs doing specific things and then having them managed by some python, and the inter process communication was all done with zeroMQ
[17:45] <eroomde> which is also a super cool thing
[17:46] <eroomde> it abstracts away IPC really impressively well, you could be talking to a process running on the same core or a process running on another machine on the other side of the world, no difference in code complexity betwen the two
[17:48] <nick_> What is zeroMQ?
[17:50] <eroomde> it's wonderful, really
[17:51] <eroomde> and has libraries for lots of languages, including c and python
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[18:39] <Laurenceb__> sup
[18:39] <Laurenceb__> any bolt experts here?
[18:39] <Laurenceb__> im looking for something with no thread at the end
[18:40] <Laurenceb__> i.e. a bolt where the thread stops before it reaches the end, does such a thing exist?
[18:41] <Upu> err
[18:41] <Upu> like a tie bolt ? sec I'll get pics
[18:41] <Upu> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280668733145?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_650wt_1163
[18:42] <Laurenceb__> http://www.jegs.com/images/photos/472chevybolt.jpg
[18:42] <Laurenceb__> reverse of that
[18:42] <Laurenceb__> thread only near the head
[18:43] <Upu> yeah possibly how long ?
[18:43] <Laurenceb__> few cm- im only interested in if it exists
[18:43] <Upu> yeah
[18:43] <Upu> try exhaust manifold ones hang on
[18:44] <Upu> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Cortina-Exhaust-Manifold-Studs-Bolts-Nuts-x10-/250866392024?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3a68cd5bd8
[18:44] <Upu> bit like that ?
[18:44] <Laurenceb__> no
[18:45] <Laurenceb__> head---threaded part---smooth end
[18:45] <Upu> not seem those
[18:45] <daveake> Buy tie bolt; hacksaw off head; tighten 2 nuts against each other on threaded end ?
[18:45] <Laurenceb__> hmm ill assume they dont exist
[18:46] <Upu> daveake
[18:46] <daveake> yes? :p
[18:46] <Upu> just tested the MDS80 key ring camera next to a GPS
[18:46] <daveake> and...
[18:46] <Upu> $$AVA,13,18:44:46,53.7529666,-1.8199096,648,6,6,0,5327*5CD7
[18:46] <Upu> before
[18:46] <Laurenceb__> ill just epoxy some cylindrical rod onto a bolt
[18:46] <Upu> sorry
[18:46] <Upu> $$AVA,6,18:42:37,53.7525356,-1.8179630,259,8,6,3,5364*C6B5
[18:46] <Upu> 8,6,3 = sats, navmode , lock
[18:47] <daveake> ok
[18:47] <Upu> $$AVA,17,18:46:00,53.7562549,-1.8242525,1019,0,6,0,5364*C5BE
[18:47] <daveake> oops
[18:47] <Upu> 0,6,0 :)
[18:47] <Upu> I therefore conclude Ava1 wasn't faulty at all
[18:47] <Upu> it just got jammed
[18:47] <daveake> Ditto Cloud3 then
[18:47] <Upu> $$AVA,21,18:47:14,53.7525558,-1.8179772,253,7,6,3,5436*A4EF
[18:47] <Laurenceb__> copper foil?
[18:47] <daveake> or 4
[18:47] <Upu> camera off
[18:47] <Upu> yeah sorry about that
[18:48] <Upu> lucky Ava was 10 meters higher
[18:48] <Upu> Yeah I'll go test that now Laurenceb
[18:48] <daveake> yes, you thoughtfully provided a backup tracker having foobarred my tracker for me :D
[18:49] <Upu> lol
[18:49] <daveake> I wondered how come it worked for ages in testing then stopped during launch preps
[18:49] <daveake> I'm sure we could check the time lapse against the telemetry to find the moment it stopped ...
[18:50] <daveake> ... but I think we both know when that was :D
[18:50] <Upu> ok totally wrapped it in foil
[18:50] <Upu> :)
[18:50] <Upu> wrapped in foil = good
[18:51] <Upu> picture won't be great mind :)
[18:51] <daveake> lol
[18:52] <Upu> correlate temp vs when the camera shutdown with when you got GPS lock again
[18:52] <daveake> Good idea:)
[18:53] <Upu> yeah its quite easy to protect against
[18:53] <daveake> cool
[18:53] <Upu> http://www.batc.tv/streams/M0UPU
[18:54] <Laurenceb__> put it away
[18:54] <Upu> in that foil blanket it works fine
[18:54] <Upu> doesn't interfere with the GPS
[18:54] <Upu> take it out
[18:55] <Upu> insta jam
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[19:23] <choppyhorse> anyone here worked with an opentracker setup for APRS?
[19:25] <Laurenceb__> http://www.reghardware.com/2012/06/11/next_gen_macbook_pro/
[19:25] <Laurenceb__> id almost buy something with an apple on it
[19:25] <Laurenceb__> wonder if you could rip the screen off
[19:27] <eroomde> Laurenceb__: eg http://www.etrailer.com/Accessories-and-Parts/Thule/853-5917.html?
[19:27] <eroomde> http://www.etrailer.com/Accessories-and-Parts/Thule/853-5917.html < this link not the one abovwe
[19:27] <Laurenceb__> ah
[19:28] <Laurenceb__> thanks, a threaded pin
[19:29] <SpeedEvil> Aww
[19:29] <SpeedEvil> I was thinking that was a source for apple displays.
[19:29] <Laurenceb__> heh
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[19:42] <Laurenceb__> http://www.huyett.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_32&products_id=53
[19:42] <Laurenceb__> would solve my problem more easily i think
[19:42] <Laurenceb__> i need a removable seal for a vent hole on an injection mold
[19:46] <Laurenceb__> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Speciality-Fasteners-Detent-Ring-Pin-Diameter-3-16-Inch-x-1-Inch-Length-/200709242635?_trksid=p3284.m263&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D21%26pmod%3D190636004116%26ps%3D54
[19:46] <Laurenceb__> perfect
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[19:52] <KT5TK_QRL> @choppyhorse Yes, I did use OT+ hardware in several applications
[19:54] <choppyhorse> Actually, I'm not sure what question to ask because I'm not sure what is wrong with my setup. I got an OT1+, SRB MX145 transmitter, and the HAB GPS all from Argentdata.
[19:55] <choppyhorse> on the website it says to hook the GPS's RS-232 output and not the other serial output to the OT1+, is that correct?
[19:55] <choppyhorse> the GPS turns on with a red flashing light. The OT1+ does a double red flash saying that it is not recieving valid GPS sentences, which could mean a lot of things
[19:56] <Upu> have you tried the GPS on its own into a level converter ?
[19:56] <Upu> what GPS is it ?
[19:57] <choppyhorse> GT-320FW: https://www.argentdata.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=144&osCsid=dgm6c71fnjpi5iuempqnioceg6
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[19:59] <choppyhorse> I guess I could use an oscilloscope to check the voltage the GPS is putting out
[19:59] <griffonbot> @cuspaceflight: Southampton University's Physics Outreach Project launches tomorrow around midday from the CUSF site in Cambridge #cusf [http://twitter.com/cuspaceflight/status/212272846238531584]
[20:03] <choppyhorse> the datasheet on that GPS isn't that great, doesn't say the voltages for the RS-232, I assume the TTL out is probably 5V because the unit takes 5V power.
[20:03] <choppyhorse> doesn't say what the blinking LED might mean
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[20:07] <Upu> well if it is 5V
[20:07] <Upu> you should be able to just connect it to something like a UM232
[20:07] <Upu> link GND to GND
[20:07] <Upu> and the TX of the GPS to RX
[20:07] <Upu> thats all you'll need
[20:07] <Upu> oh give it some power ofc
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[20:09] <Upu> its definition of high altitude is a little odd
[20:09] <Upu> 25km
[20:09] <Upu> Note: *Firmware special supports altitude > 25KM with adjusted algorithm for space application, but not for
[20:09] <Upu> very high dynamic*
[20:09] <Upu> ah ok
[20:11] <choppyhorse> yeah, it says on some other page it is good to 80km with the "firmware special"
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[20:12] <Upu> anyway yeah plug it into a serial thingy open it in something like putty and you should see the NMEA data
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[20:13] <choppyhorse> I have an arduino already, I think I will use that and just write a little code to pump the data to serial out
[20:13] <Upu> that will work
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[20:15] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/wiki/doku.php?id=levelconvertor
[20:15] <Upu> some code there for it
[20:16] <Upu> just comment out the uBlox specific bits
[20:18] <choppyhorse> how convenient
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[20:30] <KT5TK_QRL> The argentdata GT-320FW GPS puts out both: Yellow: TTL level (inverted) and white: Rs232 (can be directly connected to a serial port on a PC.
[20:30] <KT5TK_QRL> White is 5V level, but it works with a regular rs232 port
[20:31] <KT5TK_QRL> The default baud rate is 4800 if I remember correctly.
[20:32] <Upu> which is about as fast as you want to go with software serial anyway :)
[20:33] <KT5TK_QRL> It can do 9k6 or even faster, but for APRS this really doesn't matter
[20:41] <KT5TK_QRL> The GPS receiver works for high altitude balloons, however I wouldn't trust the coin cell battery. It probably freezes and you can't trust it as a backup.
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[20:48] <Upu> no, generally battery backups aren't really necessary on HAB flights
[20:51] <KT5TK_QRL> As long as you don't store a irregular config (e.g. 9k6 baudrate) in the memory of the GT-320FW, true.
[20:56] <jcoxon> evening all
[20:58] <Upu> evening
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[21:17] <dayz> heyyy
[21:20] <SpeedEvil> evening
[21:30] <dayz> whats goign on
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[21:33] <SpeedEvil> I am eating a banana.
[21:34] <nick_> :(
[21:34] <dayz> yummy
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[21:45] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[21:47] <choppyhorse> hi
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[22:05] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:05] <SpeedEvil> I am currently exposing myself to 60 BEDs a month.
[22:06] <choppyhorse> you take a nap every day?
[22:06] <nick_> I used to do that in my firt couple of years at uni.
[22:07] <nick_> Sleep 0300-0900 and then 1500-1900 or os
[22:07] <nick_> so
[22:07] <KT5TK_QRL> Sounds dangerous. The risk of a HIV infection seems to be pretty high....
[22:07] <KT5TK_QRL> at 60 beds/month
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[22:09] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_equivalent_dose
[22:10] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[22:13] <griffonbot> Received email: Tom "Re: [UKHAS] New to High altitude ballooning, starting a project."
[22:15] <fsphil> at last, gqrx working on the laptop
[22:15] <fsphil> it supports the funcube dongle and rtl-sdr all in one program now
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[22:32] <fsphil> ISS voice is active I tihnk
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[22:32] <fsphil> can hear a russian voice
[22:35] <fsphil> he keeps repeating the same thing over again
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[22:36] <fsphil> what's weird is that packet is going at the same time
[22:37] <fsphil> I thought they only had one 2m antenna up there
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