highaltitude.log.20120610

[00:00] <Lunar_Lander> hi andrew_apex
[00:00] <andrew_apex> evening Lunar_Lander
[00:01] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
[00:01] <andrew_apex> not too bad thanks. How are you?
[00:02] <Lunar_Lander> quite good
[00:02] <Lunar_Lander> now I can write to the ublox
[00:02] <Lunar_Lander> and set to airborne mode :)
[00:02] <andrew_apex> good to hear :) that bit's very important (speaking from experience of a flight where it wasn't set :P)
[00:05] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[00:05] <Lunar_Lander> yeah I can imagine
[00:05] <Lunar_Lander> which flight was that?
[00:05] <Lunar_Lander> Apex III 2?
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[00:07] <andrew_apex> SHARP L1
[00:07] <andrew_apex> SHARP did four launches - the last three with it in airbourne mode
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[00:08] <Lunar_Lander> ahhh yeah I remember that
[00:09] <Lunar_Lander> but I have to say
[00:09] <Lunar_Lander> I forgot a 0x00, 0xFA
[00:09] <Lunar_Lander> resulting in 11 hours of debugging
[00:09] <andrew_apex> whoa, that's a lot of debugging!
[00:10] <andrew_apex> the issue with SHARP is the project was to do a 24 hour turn around - so we recovered, got home at about midnight, and had to have it sorted before leaving for launch the next day at 8am :P
[00:10] <andrew_apex> so 8 hours to sort it and get a nights sleep
[00:10] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[00:11] <Lunar_Lander> I mean I had to go to another building to come to the chat to ask Upu
[00:11] <Lunar_Lander> but he had a radio exam
[00:11] <Lunar_Lander> and then I had a dinner break too
[00:11] <andrew_apex> alright for some :P
[00:11] <Lunar_Lander> at one point I took laptop and breadboard to the internet building
[00:11] <Lunar_Lander> on one of these rotating chairs
[00:11] <Lunar_Lander> I was actually pushing that chair across campus
[00:11] <Lunar_Lander> got me some looks
[00:12] <andrew_apex> amazing :)
[00:12] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[00:12] <Lunar_Lander> but always it gave FAILED
[00:12] <Lunar_Lander> all that stuff about two missing hex numbers
[00:13] <Lunar_Lander> what I found with daveake though was that I missed a GND connection from GPS to arduino
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[00:24] <Lunar_Lander> and what are you up to andrew_apex ?
[00:24] <andrew_apex> Lunar_Lander: lots of work involving the student cinema at the university :)
[00:24] <andrew_apex> automating all the equipment, lights etc etc
[00:25] <andrew_apex> making it so it's a neater more efficent system that looks better to the customer :)
[00:26] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[00:27] <Lunar_Lander> XD Mystery Science Theater 3000
[00:27] <andrew_apex> :D
[00:29] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[00:29] <Lunar_Lander> twitter failed
[00:29] <Lunar_Lander> :(
[00:30] <Lunar_Lander> nice
[00:30] <Lunar_Lander> "Twitter could be overloaded currently. Please be patient"
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[06:33] <daveake> Good moaning Steve
[06:35] <RocketBoy> yo dave
[06:35] <RocketBoy> just looking at the wx
[06:36] <daveake> Very still here - tops of trees not moving
[06:36] <daveake> Thin cloud earlier but getting a bit thicker
[06:36] <daveake> Clouds not moving much either
[06:37] <daveake> BBC says rain mid-afternoon but ok this morning
[06:39] <RocketBoy> the forecast has changed a bit at elsworth - just looking at the launch direction and speed
[06:41] <daveake> Says 3-5mph westerleys for here
[06:42] <RocketBoy> similar speed but more sotherly
[06:42] <RocketBoy> but we will see
[06:42] <daveake> Easier than last time then :)
[06:42] <RocketBoy> its not always right about ground speed
[06:43] <daveake> ok
[06:43] <RocketBoy> yeah
[06:43] <RocketBoy> ho humm time to get up and get ready
[06:43] <RocketBoy> bbl
[06:43] <daveake> seeya
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[07:07] <WillDuckworth> its up but lost gps straight away - arse
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[07:13] <eroomde> daveake: jesus bloody poo bum gah
[07:13] <eroomde> alarm failed
[07:13] <eroomde> just woekn up
[07:17] <daveake> oops
[07:17] <eroomde> if nick_ appears online can you tell him to give me a call on my mobile, someone
[07:17] <daveake> OK will do
[07:20] <Upu> morning
[07:20] Nick change: Upu -> M0UPU
[07:20] <M0UPU> Can hear WDHAB though no GPS
[07:21] <M0UPU> h
[07:21] <WillDuckworth> absolute arse - most have dislodged at release
[07:21] <M0UPU> its got GPS WillDuckworth
[07:21] <M0UPU> or not
[07:21] <M0UPU> sorry I saw a time
[07:23] <daveake> morning
[07:23] <daveake> Forgot about this one, sorry :-) Am tracking now
[07:23] <WillDuckworth> morning daveake - good luck
[07:23] <daveake> cheers
[07:24] <daveake> On the plus side, it's got an impressive range considering the altitude :p
[07:25] <M0UPU> lol
[07:25] <WillDuckworth> well - you can see volts, pressure and temp...... on the plus side
[07:29] <M0UPU> right dog walk back soon
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[07:33] <junderwood> Is the pressure on WDHAB really in Pa?
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[07:33] <junderwood_M0JCU> ... or is it mbar?
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[07:34] <junderwood_M0JCU> 262Pa = 41km, 262mbar=10 km
[07:34] <junderwood_M0JCU> mbar - the gPS is working again
[07:37] <number10_M0MDB> wakeup edmoore ;)
[07:39] <Andy-g0poy> Just started to get decodes from WDHAB, still faint sig in east London
[07:40] <griffonbot> @willduckworth: WDHAB in the air, GPS a bit iffy but OK at moment #ukhas [http://twitter.com/willduckworth/status/211724398565130240]
[07:40] <edmoore> number10_M0MDB: I am now... Just need a way of contacting nick_
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[07:43] <WillDuckworth> well done M0UPU - nice call sign
[07:46] <WillDuckworth> going to move - back in a bit
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[07:53] <daveake> My imagination or is the altitude sticking?
[07:53] <G0DJA> What freq is WDHAB on?
[07:53] <daveake> .073 I think
[07:54] <daveake> I had it earlier but we now have 2 trackers running here and the fcd can't cope
[07:54] <G0DJA> Thanks - just off to switch PC and radio on upstairs
[07:55] <Andy-g0poy> WDHAB alt changing every few packets here as well.
[07:55] <M0UPU> 434.075 for WDHAB here
[07:56] <M0UPU> GPS has picked up
[07:56] <Andy-g0poy> WDHAB on 4334.075.8 here, nice and stable in freq so far
[07:57] <M0UPU> horrendous QRM on this frequency for me
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[08:00] <G0DJA> 076.16 here but some missing characters at times
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[08:07] <Morseman> Having difficulty getting full decodes on WDHAB - is it spinning alot I wonder?
[08:07] <junderwood_M0JCU> If the frequency drift is due to doppler, it's having a rough ride!
[08:07] <M0UPU> sounds like it
[08:08] <junderwood_M0JCU> 50Hz = 34 m/s
[08:08] <junderwood_M0JCU> and I have QRM half way between mark and space
[08:08] <M0UPU> yeah 075 isn't a great frequency
[08:09] <junderwood_M0JCU> GPS packed up again
[08:09] <junderwood_M0JCU> and back
[08:11] <M0UPU> can't find it on the FCD oddly
[08:12] <Morseman> At 21k I'd have expected to hear it more reliably from here - unless it's in the vertical null spot again?
[08:13] <cuddykid> morning peeps
[08:14] <cuddykid> oh nice, looks like I can head off asap
[08:14] <cuddykid> anyone have a landing prediction?
[08:14] <M0UPU> on spacenear.us
[08:14] <junderwood_M0JCU> Looks like the fast lane of the M5
[08:15] <cuddykid> live prediction isn't loading for me
[08:15] <M0UPU> Predicted Landing
[08:15] <M0UPU> 52.1413, -2.33324 at 09:02 UTC
[08:16] <Morseman> Prediction working on downstairs PC but not this one
[08:16] <M0UPU> it having a rough ride but I just noticed the ascent rate
[08:16] <Andy-g0poy> As the alt increases it will move out of the antenna lobe. The higher the antenna gain, the more the lobe is pushed down
[08:16] <M0UPU> HAB Rocket ?
[08:16] <M0UPU> burst prediction height is wrong 1 sec
[08:16] <Andy-g0poy> signal here has dropped quite a bit, I've just put a preamp in line to help, but not very good copy now.
[08:17] <M0UPU> it should be bursting around now
[08:17] <Morseman> Green dar going from min to max and the s/n varying wildly here
[08:17] <Morseman> bar
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[08:19] <M0UPU> Well damn has anyone see that post from Bruce Coats on the GPSL about the MDS80 spy cams jamming the GPS
[08:19] <M0UPU> p.s WDHAB should have burst really this is a Hwoyee 500
[08:21] <M0UPU> WDHAB,382,08:20:19,52.09782,-2.34398,285!7,5.4,19,-10<219,OK*76 thats why you shouldnt' use XOR :)
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[08:23] <eroomde> number10_M0MDB: calling it off i think
[08:24] <eroomde> can't get hold of nick_
[08:24] <number10_M0MDB> ok ed
[08:24] <cuddykid> right, heading out now - anyone got a good sat nav location to head to?
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[08:24] <eroomde> number10_M0MDB: what's your launch time?
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[08:24] <number10_M0MDB> we will go off to the launch site now
[08:24] <M0UPU> burst ?
[08:25] <number10_M0MDB> UNU is on 434.6482 - when we launch
[08:25] <junderwood_M0JCU> GPS bust?
[08:25] <M0UPU> WDHAB burst
[08:25] <junderwood_M0JCU> going down
[08:25] <number10_M0MDB> ANU
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[08:25] <M0UPU> number10_M0MDB when you see Dave tell him I think I know why CLOUD broken
[08:25] <M0UPU> CLOUD broke
[08:26] <M0UPU> And why original AVA failed
[08:27] <junderwood_M0JCU> cleaner signal since it burst
[08:27] <Morseman> Not getting any full decodes on WDHAB at all now
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[08:28] <Andy-g0poy> qrm on channel is high here at the moment, no good decodes foe a few mins
[08:28] <M0UPU> yeah it is cleaner
[08:28] <number10_M0MDB> ok M0MUPU
[08:28] <Morseman> In fact getting the odd errase character that takes out a good character!
[08:28] <M0UPU> I've had to manually recreate a few strings
[08:28] Action: M0UPU puts on Kylie Minogue "Spinning Around"
[08:29] <M0UPU> thats an interesting decent rate
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[08:29] <M0UPU> I think technically thats exceeded the speed of sound
[08:29] <junderwood_M0JCU> not quite
[08:30] <M0UPU> 588mph
[08:30] <M0UPU> can't be far off
[08:30] <M0UPU> at that altitude
[08:30] <junderwood_M0JCU> 340m/s
[08:30] <junderwood_M0JCU> 300 @ 10 km
[08:30] <M0UPU> ok
[08:30] <junderwood_M0JCU> 295 @ 20km
[08:31] <M0UPU> its not actually falling that fast luckily
[08:31] <Morseman> AH UPU - so that's how you get good RX strings then. LOL
[08:32] <M0UPU> first time I've done it :)
[08:32] <M0UPU> that one I just posted was a manual one
[08:32] <M0UPU> $$WDHAB,4s-08:31:12,52.09733,-2.40286,21844,5.4,48,-11,192,OK*7A <- I knew the sequence number was 428
[08:33] <Morseman> Almost - last char of check sum corrupted to a : that ime...
[08:33] <M0UPU> if you can fix it manually you can upload it
[08:33] <M0UPU> I wouldn't correct any location data but if you know the sequence or calls sign
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[08:35] <Morseman> How do you do that? many of my errors are stops instead of commas
[08:35] <M0UPU> ok this line :
[08:35] <M0UPU> $$WDHAB,44308:34:35,52.09593,-2.41036,19325,5.3,69,-13,121VOK*7E
[08:36] <M0UPU> you can see missing ocmma after 443
[08:36] <M0UPU> and VOK should be ,OK
[08:36] <Morseman> Yes, I guessed that. Where do you upload it to. ;-)
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[08:36] <M0UPU> http://habitat.habhub.org/transition/
[08:36] <M0UPU> put call sign in and paste in string as ASCII stripped
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[08:38] <Morseman> OK - Done for one previous :-)
[08:38] <M0UPU> if the check sum isn't correct it won't appear
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[08:38] <M0UPU> disappearing for me
[08:38] <SamSilver> Dave yippy
[08:38] <M0UPU> hey daveake
[08:39] <daveake> Morning again :)
[08:39] <M0UPU> interesting fact
[08:39] <M0UPU> MDS-80 cameras jam GPS
[08:39] <daveake> Ed cancelled so we're down at the launch site now
[08:39] <daveake> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:39] <M0UPU> you know the camera we stuck on Cloud last time :/
[08:39] <daveake> and !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:39] <M0UPU> when it stopped working
[08:39] <M0UPU> and on AVA1 when it...stopped working
[08:39] <daveake> yes yes
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[08:40] <daveake> and so did cloud, which is impressive
[08:40] <M0UPU> yep
[08:40] <M0UPU> better GPS
[08:40] <M0UPU> anyway
[08:40] <M0UPU> binned
[08:40] <M0UPU> :)
[08:42] <daveake> :)
[08:43] <Andy-g0poy> just got a good frame, but local QRM killing reception - wireless kbds and mice I expect
[08:44] <junderwood_M0JCU> unstable again
[08:44] <M0UPU> very
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[08:50] <junderwood_M0JCU> managed to get a couple of strings by notching out the QRM
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[08:56] <WillDuckworth> anyone any ideas where wdhab may end up?
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[08:56] <M0UPU> give me a sec I'll have a look
[08:58] <M0UPU> coming down very slowly
[08:58] <M0UPU> predictor isn't playing ball WillDuckworth bear with me
[08:59] <WillDuckworth> no probs - thanks
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[08:59] <G0DJA> University wood looks awfully close!
[08:59] <junderwood_M0JCU> somewhere close to the A449 north of Great Malvern looks like a good bet to me
[09:00] <M0UPU> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=30a770e308c0ce944af493f078a9588f995e38e4
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[09:00] <G0DJA> Last possition looks like will clear the wood - Phew!
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[09:01] <cuddykid> almost underneath WDHAB :)
[09:02] <daveake> close :)
[09:02] <cuddykid> currently at A449/Hawthorn lane
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[09:03] <nosebleedkt> Hi
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[09:04] <nosebleedkt> Im writing some specs for the mission for the notam
[09:04] <nosebleedkt> 1600g balloon mass what exactly means?
[09:04] <nosebleedkt> the balloon will weight 1.6kg ?
[09:04] <nosebleedkt> (noob)
[09:04] <M0UPU> yeah weight of the latex
[09:04] <nosebleedkt> ah ok
[09:05] <nosebleedkt> thanks
[09:07] <M0UPU> doing well there junderwood_M0JCU
[09:08] <M0UPU> next week hopefully should have the beastie antenna up
[09:08] <junderwood_M0JCU> 800Hz notch filter
[09:08] <M0UPU> FCD ?
[09:08] <junderwood_M0JCU> (rofl)
[09:08] <M0UPU> explainors pls :)
[09:08] <junderwood_M0JCU> IC7000
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[09:08] <M0UPU> oh fancy rig
[09:09] <M0UPU> built in notch filter then ?
[09:09] <junderwood_M0JCU> DSP
[09:09] Action: M0UPU looks at his FT817
[09:09] <M0UPU> small radio syndrome
[09:09] <junderwood_M0JCU> just about to land directly on top of the QRM.
[09:09] <junderwood_M0JCU> No filter will sort that out
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[09:10] <M0UPU> tbh its a very weak signal from here not even sure I'd get it with filtering
[09:10] <M0UPU> and its gone
[09:10] <M0UPU> right brew before the other launches
[09:12] <cuddykid> hopefully we're pretty much near landing now
[09:12] <cuddykid> near middle yard coppice
[09:13] <junderwood_M0JCU> I think it's turned to the east
[09:13] <Andy-g0poy> I can still hear the signal, but decode is no good, down innthe noise too far.
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[09:14] <junderwood_M0JCU> got another string
[09:14] <junderwood_M0JCU> A449 still looks good to me
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[09:19] <M0UPU> I don't get the decent rate its all over the place
[09:19] <junderwood_M0JCU> I don't think the GPS is happy
[09:19] <junderwood_M0JCU> 2.1 km
[09:20] <cuddykid> almost underneath :D
[09:20] <cuddykid> looking up to sky
[09:20] <junderwood_M0JCU> Too weak here now
[09:20] <cuddykid> can't decode
[09:21] <M0UPU> get your camera ready
[09:21] <junderwood_M0JCU> Good luck finding it
[09:21] <M0UPU> you in Will's car cuddykid ?
[09:21] <cuddykid> is it WDHAB?
[09:21] <cuddykid> no
[09:21] <M0UPU> ok
[09:21] <cuddykid> is it WDHAB in fldigi?
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[09:21] <M0UPU> yes
[09:22] <cuddykid> just garble over the decode
[09:22] <cuddykid> got it :)
[09:22] <cuddykid> I think
[09:22] <cuddykid> nope
[09:22] <cuddykid> just rubbish
[09:22] <cuddykid> :(
[09:23] <M0UPU> If will gets his clog down he should be able to catch that landing
[09:23] <junderwood_M0JCU> Missed Bush Hill Coppice.
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[09:24] <M0UPU> http://www.batc.tv/ch_live.php?id=768
[09:24] <M0UPU> Dave is live
[09:24] <junderwood_M0JCU> I don't like the look of those trees
[09:24] <cuddykid> We've got visual!
[09:24] <M0UPU> sort of
[09:24] <M0UPU> take pictures!
[09:24] <cuddykid> will do!!
[09:25] <M0UPU> no idea where WD_Chase is going :)
[09:25] <M0UPU> like a magnet towards the trees :)
[09:25] <M0UPU> I reckon thats down
[09:25] <M0UPU> or now
[09:25] <M0UPU> not
[09:25] <M0UPU> GPS is playing up
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[09:26] <daveake> Dave has rather poor 3G so sorry if the video stalls
[09:26] <junderwood_M0JCU> oops
[09:26] <M0UPU> lol
[09:26] <M0UPU> "should I land in a tree"
[09:27] <M0UPU> "nah!"
[09:27] <M0UPU> "yeah!"
[09:27] <M0UPU> "only joking"
[09:28] <junderwood_M0JCU> I bet you couldn't do that again
[09:28] <M0UPU> 357.6meters according to the pressure
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[09:29] <M0UPU> morning Steve
[09:29] <junderwood_M0JCU> that's a big tree
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[09:29] <M0UPU> if its in it
[09:29] <RocketBoy> yo
[09:29] <M0UPU> lokos like it skirted along the side of all the trees maybe very very lucky
[09:29] <RocketBoy> typical just busted the audio lead
[09:29] <junderwood_M0JCU> It's in the ploughed fied from the looks of it
[09:29] <M0UPU> no spare ?
[09:30] <junderwood_M0JCU> field
[09:30] <RocketBoy> yep just lashed a spare up
[09:30] <RocketBoy> just setting up
[09:30] <RocketBoy> bbl
[09:30] <M0UPU> ok
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[09:48] <cuddykid_mob> hi all
[09:48] <cuddykid_mob> with will now trying to find balloon in field
[09:48] <cuddykid_mob> it's in this field -> http://i.imgur.com/Ixlgc.jpg
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[09:50] <fsphil> ooh I missed all the action
[09:51] <M0UPU> try near the trees
[09:51] <cuddykid_mob> got a gps sms location
[09:51] <daveake> nice
[09:52] <fsphil> love it when that happens
[09:52] <daveake> ANU inflation underway
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[09:53] <LazyLeopard> That's a lot of field to look through...
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[09:53] <LazyLeopard> Hope the SMS has narrowed the search down a bit...
[09:54] <RocketBoy> am i on the map chaps - poor 3g ere
[09:54] <cuddykid_mob> yep, will has a visual on it
[09:54] <M0UPU> negative RocketBoy
[09:54] <fsphil> no xaben on spacenear
[09:54] <cuddykid_mob> here's a photo of it coming down - might be able to pick it out on comp, i cant here on phone
[09:55] <cuddykid_mob> http://i.imgur.com/umL5H.jpg
[09:55] <RocketBoy> oh right
[09:55] <LazyLeopard> Buzz is not on the map yet.
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[09:57] <fsphil> possibly see the parachute and payload just on the very right side of cuddy's image
[09:57] <fsphil> it's very blurry
[09:57] <fsphil> could be dirt on the lens tbh :)
[09:58] <fsphil> there's no flight doc setup for xaben RocketBoy
[09:58] <fsphil> I can copy the last one, is it just XABEN -- no -1 or -2?
[09:58] <RocketBoy> ah - i thought it would be set up from last time
[09:58] <fsphil> they expire
[09:59] <RocketBoy> in two weeks?
[09:59] <nosebleedkt> Hi again
[09:59] <fsphil> possibly, each flight has a timestamp to end
[09:59] <nosebleedkt> I got some pics from the helium tank valves
[09:59] <RocketBoy> its just XABEN
[09:59] <RocketBoy> (not XABEN0 or XABEN1)
[10:00] <RocketBoy> can someone set me one up
[10:00] <fsphil> doing that now
[10:00] <RocketBoy> pretty please
[10:00] <RocketBoy> ta
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[10:01] <cuddykid_mob> retrieving now
[10:01] <nosebleedkt> who has an idea of the tank valves?
[10:01] <nosebleedkt> I really dont understand what should I do !
[10:02] <nosebleedkt> How to fill the ballon, lol
[10:02] <fsphil> RocketBoy: xaben-26?
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[10:02] <RocketBoy> xaben 27
[10:03] <RocketBoy> xaaben-27
[10:03] <cuddykid_mob> been retrieved! :D
[10:03] <fsphil> RocketBoy: you're on now
[10:04] <fsphil> cuddykid_mob: congrats! easy recovery?
[10:04] <daveake> anu about to launch in a few secs
[10:04] <cuddykid_mob> fsphil, yep, relatively!
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[10:04] <RocketBoy> thanks - the 3g coverage has cheered up now i have put the phone on the top of the car
[10:05] <daveake> anu up now
[10:05] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] Balloons"
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[10:06] Action: LazyLeopard missed WDHAB's early launch, and has to go out shortly, so won't catch much of any others... :/
[10:06] <daveake> well done WD
[10:06] <LazyLeopard> Excellent!
[10:06] <Andy-g0poy> Receiving ANU OK
[10:08] <daveake> cool
[10:08] <daveake> Dave's 3G is interfering with his receiver
[10:08] <daveake> So I've tuned in mine for now
[10:09] <fsphil> I'm confused
[10:10] <daveake> Dave #10 I meant
[10:10] <daveake> :)
[10:10] <RocketBoy> im about to fill
[10:10] <fsphil> ahh, it's dave and dave
[10:10] <fsphil> gotcha
[10:13] <daveake> About to fill Buzz
[10:13] Nick change: LazyLeopard -> LazyL-M0LEP
[10:13] <daveake> ANU ascent on target
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[10:23] <fsphil> I'd better get setup
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[10:26] <M0UPU> put pipe in
[10:26] <M0UPU> wrong channel sorry
[10:27] <eroomde> ffblimey.
[10:27] <fsphil> lol
[10:27] <fsphil> I didn't think freenode had such channels! *shock*
[10:28] <M0UPU> lol
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[10:40] <RocketBoy> about to launch
[10:41] <RocketBoy> lanuched
[10:42] <M0UPU> dial freq Steve ?
[10:43] <M0UPU> G0POY can you switch to XABEN please ?
[10:43] <daveake> Buzz will be up in 5-10 mins
[10:44] <M0UPU> and any of the other local stations
[10:44] <daveake> 434.194.4 on my scanner
[10:44] <M0UPU> XABEN 434.300Mhz
[10:46] <Andy-g0poy> nothing heard on 434.300 or around there
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[10:47] <Andy-g0poy> got it on 302.5 will set up a decode..
[10:47] <M0UPU> my F6AGV style string mounted Yagi isn't working as well today
[10:47] <M0UPU> http://i.imgur.com/YaAMg.jpg
[10:49] <Andy-g0poy> decoding XABEN OK
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[10:52] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[10:53] <WillDuckworth> thanks everyone for tracking! :)
[10:53] <Lunar_Lander> cool to see that WDHAB worked and ANU and XABEN on their way
[10:53] <Lunar_Lander> congrats WillDuckworth
[10:53] <WillDuckworth> cheers
[10:53] <Lunar_Lander> was the descent at about 30 km intentional or just burst?
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[10:55] <daveake> buzz up
[10:56] <WillDuckworth> fingers crossed
[10:56] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[10:56] <Lunar_Lander> WillDuckworth, i.e. did you have a cutdown mechanism
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[10:58] <M0UPU> M0JCU as your closest do you want to switch to BUZZ ?
[10:58] <craag> Dial freq for buzz?
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[10:58] <M0UPU> 434.194.4
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[10:58] <nosebleedkt> Lunar_Lander whats up with the geiger data?
[10:58] <WillDuckworth> Lunar_Lander - burst.
[10:58] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[10:58] <daveake> 434.194.4
[10:59] <Lunar_Lander> nosebleedkt, I'll take some photos and stuff on monday
[10:59] <craag> thanks.
[10:59] <Lunar_Lander> like I probably can give you a counts over time plot, a photo of the geiger connected via FTDI
[10:59] <Lunar_Lander> something like that?
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[11:00] <priyesh> anyone got a dial freq for ANU?
[11:00] <M0UPU> 434.647 ish
[11:01] <priyesh> thanks
[11:01] <M0UPU> but we could do with some trackers on BUZZ
[11:01] <cuddykid> hi all
[11:01] <cuddykid> great morning
[11:01] <priyesh> will try BUZZ
[11:01] <M0UPU> hey cuddy
[11:01] <cuddykid> Hi M0UPU :)
[11:01] <Lunar_Lander> hi M0UPU
[11:01] <M0UPU> morning Lunar
[11:01] <Lunar_Lander> hi cuddykid
[11:01] <cuddykid> Hi Lunar_Lander
[11:02] <WillDuckworth> cheers cuddykid - good spot on the decent!
[11:02] <cuddykid> no probs WillDuckworth! Great flight - congrats
[11:03] <nosebleedkt> Lunar_Lander yeah that would be great
[11:03] <craag> Buzz appearing on waterfall in soton.
[11:04] <Andy-g0poy> just started receiving buzz, very faint as yet no valid decode so far
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[11:05] <Lunar_Lander> nosebleedkt, OK, don't worry will get you that info :)
[11:05] <Andy-g0poy> valid docodes from buzz now
[11:05] Action: LazyL-M0LEP is getting BUZZ now.
[11:06] <nosebleedkt> Lunar_Lander :)
[11:06] <LazyL-M0LEP> 434.195.0
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[11:07] <cuddykid> zoomed in on one of the photos of descent - uploading now :)
[11:07] <cuddykid> http://i.imgur.com/vD3N0.png
[11:07] <M0UPU> lol
[11:07] <cuddykid> it was much clearer on the ground lol :P
[11:08] <LazyL-M0LEP> Cool!
[11:08] <WillDuckworth> cool
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[11:09] <G3VZV_Graham_> buzz is weaker than anu was at similar heights
[11:09] <Andy-g0poy> For info, the buzz settings in the flgigi flight data are wrong, shift is set to 850, should be about 480
[11:09] <daveake> ok ta
[11:10] <G3VZV_Graham_> more than 10dB weaker
[11:10] <daveake> The radials are angled up
[11:10] <daveake> 850 - strange. Never used that
[11:10] <daveake> ok
[11:10] <daveake> wow
[11:11] <cuddykid> http://i.imgur.com/L6LLo.png is clearer
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[11:13] <WillDuckworth> yep - bottom bit is the balloon - then payload close under parachute
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[11:14] <cuddykid> :D
[11:15] <WillDuckworth> nice work
[11:15] <Andy-g0poy> Might be a funny with fldigi, jyust reset everything and buzz came up with a nery narrow shift
[11:15] <Andy-g0poy> might be at this end, but very odd all the same
[11:16] <Andy-g0poy> BUZZ is much weaker signal that ANU was
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[11:18] <Andy-g0poy> ANU currently S3 on meter, Buzz no indication
[11:19] <daveake2> Buzz is a lot lower
[11:19] <daveake2> Both have good signals here
[11:20] <Andy-g0poy> Yes, but ANU was MUCH stronger than BUZZ at the same point, ANU was up to S6+ on the meter at 4000m
[11:20] <daveake2> sure
[11:21] <LazyL-M0LEP> Yeah.
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[11:22] <LazyL-M0LEP> ...but BUZZ is stronger now than it was when I first tuned in to it...
[11:23] <Andy-g0poy> you have a better line of sight now. I only start receiving Daves flights when that get above 1000m
[11:23] <Andy-g0poy> Buzz is now S3 on the meter
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[11:24] Action: LazyL-M0LEP is going to leave the system on automatic, tracking BUZZ until something gets confused....
[11:25] <WillDuckworth> what freqs for both?
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[11:26] <Andy-g0poy> Buzz on 434.197 and Anu on 650
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[11:34] <fsphil> all going well?
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[11:34] <RocketBoy> how is the signal guys?
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[11:36] <M0PDA> S5 here in Bury
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[11:37] <RocketBoy> cheers
[11:38] <RocketBoy> think ill head along the A14 some more
[11:38] <RocketBoy> bbl
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[11:39] <M0UPU> give up trying to dual track
[11:39] <M0UPU> :)
[11:40] <Andy-g0poy> Quite noisy now in East london, decode is not very easy
[11:40] <M0UPU> just went into garden and mounted the yagi on a tripod
[11:40] <daveake2> I just made up a splitter lead - I'm close enough to both that it works fine
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[11:45] <fsphil> ahh, radios work better with an antenna plug in. who knew!
[11:45] <Andy-g0poy> olts helps as well :-]
[11:45] <daveake2> Is that in the advanced exam?
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[11:45] <F1src> Hello to all, reception of ANU in IN87KM OK
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[11:46] <M0UPU> thanks F1src
[11:46] <Andy-g0poy> Question: If Fldigi flight set to buzz, and you receive say ANU by manually retuning, will the correct data be uploaded?
[11:47] <M0UPU> no has to be set to the correct payload
[11:47] <Andy-g0poy> OK, was just wondering if I could avoid multiple instances of fldigi
[11:52] <G3VZV_Graham_> lots of doppler on xaben
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[11:53] <daveake2> Buzz and ANU heading for a punch-up :p
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[11:56] <G0DJA> What does New GPS on XABEN mean I wonder?
[11:56] <Andy-g0poy> Just saw pyro and reascending as well
[11:56] <G0DJA> And I'm not making it onto the spacenear.us tracker again :-(
[11:57] <G0DJA> Well, not as reliably as I'm getting good decodes anyway
[11:58] <fsphil> nooooo.. dl-fldigi won't compile
[11:59] <fsphil> getting a good signal from ANU on the funcube dongle
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[12:01] <G0DJA> Having a look at BUZZ now
[12:01] <fsphil> anyone know what the heck this is about? http://fpaste.org/Es8q/
[12:02] <zyp> did you get the entire error?
[12:03] <zyp> looks like a syntax error or something, that causes a lot of subsequent errors
[12:03] <zyp> so you have to look at the top to see what the original error were
[12:03] <Andy-g0poy> basic rule of C look at the line before the error :-)
[12:04] <fsphil> that's the lot
[12:04] <fsphil> one sec
[12:04] <zyp> kind of sounds like you put some shit before an include, that causes a syntax error in the included file
[12:06] <fsphil> only thing in hamlib.cxx before that is including config.h
[12:06] <fsphil> but that looks fine
[12:06] <jdtanner> I'm getting Buzz in the Peaks&but no option to configure from fldigi
[12:06] <jdtanner> $$BUZZ,1856,12:06:03,51.64082,-1.20849,16243,42,98,17,9,5.52*DCD1
[12:07] <jdtanner> ah&got it now
[12:07] <Andy-g0poy> are you using flgigi or dl-fldigi ? dl-fldgi have the configd for these flights
[12:08] <jdtanner> the flight docs weren't refreshing :)
[12:09] <zyp> fsphil, sounds like syntax error in config.h then
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[12:09] <Andy-g0poy> OK, I found a similar "funny" earlier where the config was rather messed up.
[12:09] <fsphil> it's just a list of defines
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[12:10] <fsphil> what was the solution Andy-g0poy?
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[12:12] <Andy-g0poy> I just went inyto the modem config then set the shift to 450 for some reasn it have got set to custom.
[12:13] <fsphil> copied my old source directory, that's building
[12:15] <fsphil> gqrx is working well
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[12:18] <fsphil> there we go, got a string
[12:18] <fsphil> first time I've used the funcube dongle
[12:18] <fsphil> for a non-local flight
[12:18] <daveake2> cool
[12:19] <MrScienceMan> \o/
[12:19] <daveake2> My car seems to be better at receiving than my home rig .... suspect the collinear is too directional and the paylods too close
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[12:20] <number10_M0MDB> got anu fsphil :)
[12:20] <fsphil> lovely signal
[12:20] <daveake2> heart stopped ... buzz signal stopped just now.
[12:20] <fsphil> I've seen that happen daveake2
[12:20] <daveake2> But it's just hdsdr having a turn
[12:20] <fsphil> (the colinear not the payload stopping :)
[12:20] <daveake2> yes
[12:21] <daveake2> Buzz has looped the loop
[12:21] <number10_M0MDB> had probs wit latest fldigi had to go back to 3.20.29
[12:23] <daveake2> ANU rate is slowing ... I think it might pop soon
[12:23] <number10_M0MDB> 37k not bad for a 1200g balloon
[12:23] <daveake2> nope, very good :)
[12:23] <M0UPU> 1200g ? wow
[12:23] <number10_M0MDB> with camera
[12:23] <number10_M0MDB> yea
[12:23] <M0UPU> should be some good pictures today
[12:24] <number10_M0MDB> a495 and keyring cam and rubbish gsm tracker
[12:24] <M0UPU> MDS80 ?
[12:24] <jdtanner> I'm jumping between Buzz and ANU&any preference as to which I should be helping with?
[12:24] <number10_M0MDB> hope so
[12:24] <M0UPU> both seem well covered jdtanner
[12:24] <jdtanner> Fair enough&.I'll stick with ANU at the mo :)
[12:24] <daveake2> ANU for now as that will (should) burst first
[12:24] <M0UPU> generally stick with the one decending as long as you can
[12:24] <number10_M0MDB> at least I didnt have -ve altitude - I think i would have veen kicked out of ukhas
[12:24] <daveake2> If Buzz gets high I'll need people on that for burst p[lease
[12:24] <Morseman> I see Peaksky have their FT790 up and ruuning on RX as well :-)
[12:24] <number10_M0MDB> no just cheap keyring cam
[12:24] <daveake2> lol
[12:24] <M0UPU> yeah you would have lost you HAB points for making the same error 3 times
[12:25] <number10_M0MDB> lol
[12:25] <M0UPU> alot of trackers
[12:25] <jdtanner> exactly&peaksky are rocking the 80s technology ;)
[12:25] <M0UPU> M0ZOS whos that one ?
[12:25] <M0UPU> hi
[12:25] <number10_M0MDB> thats great
[12:26] <fsphil> burst
[12:26] <jdtanner> Well, just shout if you want me to switch to Buzz as I'm getting them both loud and clear here&
[12:26] <jdtanner> yeah
[12:26] <fsphil> nope
[12:26] <fsphil> not burst
[12:26] <jdtanner> just seen that
[12:26] <number10_M0MDB> yep
[12:26] <fsphil> yep
[12:26] <fsphil> going down
[12:26] <daveake2> there we go
[12:26] <fsphil> that's a pretty stable descent
[12:26] <daveake2> Well done impressive for a 1200 :)
[12:27] <M0UPU> 37.5km on a 1200g :)
[12:27] <daveake2> To the Batmobiles, number10
[12:27] <fsphil> turbines to speed!
[12:27] <fsphil> well the funcube dongle is certainly sensitive enough for this
[12:27] <daveake2> That's a nice drive
[12:27] <fsphil> just needs filtering
[12:27] <daveake2> Pretty views first few miles
[12:28] <daveake2> fsphil Good :)
[12:28] <M0UPU> Looking forward to getting some decent antennas on it fsphil
[12:28] <daveake2> Not tried mine on a distant one yet
[12:28] <fsphil> indeed
[12:28] <fsphil> the range of this flight is about 480km
[12:29] <Lunar_Lander> back from lunch
[12:29] <M0UPU> got your radio on Lunar_Lander ?
[12:29] <Lunar_Lander> anu belongs to number10_M0MDB ?
[12:30] <M0UPU> yes
[12:30] <junderwood_M0JCU> Lots of water near Standlake
[12:30] <Lunar_Lander> M0UPU, no, one sec please
[12:30] <Morseman> Interference on 434.200 here
[12:30] <junderwood_M0JCU> Does ANU float?
[12:30] <M0UPU> I was just looking at that junderwood_M0JCU :)
[12:30] <junderwood_M0JCU> Makes a change from lost at sea
[12:30] <junderwood_M0JCU> (but just as wet)
[12:30] <Lunar_Lander> Anu dropped about 10 km already
[12:31] <r2x0t> floating down -31.7 m/s :)
[12:31] <M0UPU> Lunar XABEN is coming in range of you
[12:31] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[12:31] <Lunar_Lander> dial?
[12:31] <Laurenceb__> why is WDHAB showing a balloon on the tracker?
[12:31] <Laurenceb__> not a chute
[12:31] <M0UPU> no idea
[12:31] <junderwood_M0JCU> flakey GPS
[12:31] <Lunar_Lander> yeah, isn't the balloon if it shows a rise?
[12:31] <Lunar_Lander> GPS noise or so
[12:32] <M0UPU> switching to ANU for a bit as it comes down
[12:32] <Lunar_Lander> need a dial for XABEN
[12:33] <M0UPU> 434.304 ish
[12:33] <M0UPU> just tunr around 434.300
[12:33] <M0UPU> tune
[12:33] <number10_M0MDB> cheers
[12:33] <number10_M0MDB> just setting off
[12:33] <M0UPU> Great signal from ANU
[12:33] <Lunar_Lander> which sideband is it?
[12:34] <M0UPU> USB
[12:34] <Lunar_Lander> thx
[12:34] <number10_M0MDB> it was ntx from your store :)
[12:34] <M0UPU> exactly :)
[12:35] <M0UPU> If euroquartz would ever get back to me
[12:35] <M0UPU> I'm going to make some on non standard frequencies
[12:35] <Lunar_Lander> think I hear something through the noise!
[12:35] <Lunar_Lander> 4.304.8
[12:35] <number10_M0MDB> that would be good
[12:35] <Lunar_Lander> on the FT-790R
[12:35] <M0UPU> you should see 2 parallel lines Lunar_Lander
[12:35] <M0UPU> that sounds right
[12:35] <Lunar_Lander> wait let me hook it up
[12:36] <fsphil> xaben and buzz are just slightly to far apart to receive on the fcd at the same time
[12:36] <fsphil> ah, xaben sending idle characters now
[12:36] <craag> fsphil: What sdr software have you got that can do 2 outputs?
[12:37] <fsphil> craag: it doesn't (gqrx)
[12:37] <fsphil> not yet anyway
[12:37] <fsphil> I'm very tempted to hack an rtty decoder onto it
[12:37] <craag> Ok, would be pretty cool if it did!
[12:37] <fsphil> yea -- fire up two instances of it
[12:38] <fsphil> two rtty decoders in gqrx, the rtl-sdr version too would easily handle multiple payloads
[12:38] <craag> Oh ok, I might give that a try with the rtl-sdr.
[12:38] <fsphil> at the moment I'm still using dl-fldigi
[12:38] <craag> dl-fldigi and sdr# here atm.
[12:39] <fsphil> both xaben and buzz are quite weak
[12:39] <fsphil> xaben more so
[12:40] <M0UPU> XABEN is noticably weak
[12:40] <M0UPU> I'm just wondering if the power isn't exactly as it should be
[12:40] <junderwood_M0JCU> Switched to Xaben. It seemed not to have too many friends
[12:41] <fsphil> I'm back at buzz
[12:41] <M0UPU> I would say you could notch up the power a click on the RFM22B
[12:41] <fsphil> can't decode xaben yet
[12:41] <M0UPU> junderwood_M0JCU as your closest to ANU and likely to keep it as low as it will go it would be better if you could stick on ANU for the moment
[12:41] <M0UPU> shouldn't be up for much longer
[12:42] <junderwood_M0JCU> About 20 minutes.
[12:42] <junderwood_M0JCU> Ping me at 6km if I don't notice
[12:42] <Lunar_Lander> damn linux audio control
[12:42] <M0UPU> rgr
[12:42] <fsphil> buzz a bit drifty and fady
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[12:42] <Andy-g0poy> local QRU killing ANU at the moment
[12:42] <Laurenceb__> boo
[12:43] <Laurenceb__> xaben burst
[12:43] <Andy-g0poy> QRM I mean
[12:43] <Lunar_Lander> OH NO
[12:43] Action: Lunar_Lander bashes his head
[12:43] <Laurenceb__> :(
[12:43] <junderwood_M0JCU> I expexted at least another 10 km out of Xaben
[12:43] <Lunar_Lander> how in the world can I get this audio system running
[12:43] <RocketBoy> :(
[12:44] <fsphil> qrm looks funky when you can see 80khz in one go
[12:44] <RocketBoy> such is habing
[12:44] <fsphil> a lot of it moves up and down the band really quickly
[12:45] <fsphil> yea it's a very unpredictable hobby
[12:45] <Lunar_Lander> DAMN! I just realized all my radio stuff like NTX2 and so on is at uni
[12:45] <F1src> No reception now from ANU in IN87KM
[12:45] <Lunar_Lander> and the arduino uno and stuff
[12:45] <Lunar_Lander> :(
[12:45] <M0UPU> Try BUZZ F1src
[12:46] <Lunar_Lander> M0UPU, I think I could hear RTTY in the noise
[12:46] <Lunar_Lander> but the waterfall was just all yellow
[12:46] <fsphil> there's always rtty in the noise :)
[12:46] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[12:46] <fsphil> buzz wobbly again
[12:46] <fsphil> burst?
[12:46] <fsphil> nope
[12:47] <fsphil> sure sounds like it
[12:47] <fsphil> aaah go away qrm
[12:48] <fsphil> not decoding anything now
[12:49] <F1src> I receive BUZZ but the signal is very poor, what is the shift now ?
[12:49] <fsphil> I'm using 480hz here
[12:49] <fsphil> very wobbly again
[12:49] <jdtanner> Lost ANU at 10km & sorry chaps
[12:50] <fsphil> turbulance must be pretty bad up there today
[12:50] <Morseman> 434.200.60 on BUZZ here but need noise blanker to keep decodes clear
[12:50] <fsphil> I need one of those :)
[12:50] <M0UPU> I always have NB on
[12:51] <M0UPU> oh did BUZZ burst too ?
[12:51] <fsphil> ooh, buz is descending?
[12:51] <fsphil> z
[12:51] <fsphil> I thought it sounded bursty
[12:51] <Morseman> I think it's coming down
[12:51] <fsphil> yep
[12:51] <fsphil> going down
[12:51] <M0UPU> more odd results
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[12:52] <fsphil> nobody decoding it fully?
[12:52] <M0UPU> its decoding
[12:52] <jdtanner> Not here
[12:52] <fsphil> hmm.. why has it still the balloon icon on spacenear
[12:53] <F1src> Signal from BUZZ is very very little in IN87KM
[12:53] <Morseman> Still +12dB here
[12:53] <junderwood_M0JCU> dl-fldigi really doesn't like you changing payloads.
[12:53] <M0UPU> Sorry F1src I didn't realise it was on its way down
[12:53] <junderwood_M0JCU> Changed from Xaben to Anu. Lots of greens but no uploads
[12:53] <fsphil> you autoconfigured?
[12:54] <junderwood_M0JCU> yes.
[12:54] <fsphil> odd, that should be all it needs
[12:54] <junderwood_M0JCU> Restarted and it worked immediately
[12:54] <fsphil> this is well beyond me decoding. lunch time!
[12:55] <F1src> I see on the tracking web site, 3 ballon flight today, great activity, bravo
[12:55] <junderwood_M0JCU> 4
[12:55] <junderwood_M0JCU> You missed one earlier
[12:55] <F1src> Yes 4 ;)
[12:57] <griffonbot> @HighAltitudeLab: No new World Record for the XABEN-27 balloon, a bit surprising after a row of altitude record breaking flights #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/HighAltitudeLab/status/211804211795595265]
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[12:58] <junderwood_M0JCU> must be a dodgy batch of balloons. Not one of them made 40 clicks
[12:59] <M0UPU> or conversely the ones that did were the exception, these are performing normally
[12:59] <eroomde> or the atmospheric pressure they usually burst at was a bit lower ASL today? i don't know what kind of variations you can get really
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[13:03] <junderwood_M0JCU> Anu at 8000 ft and heading for the drink
[13:04] <Andy-g0poy> Why, is it heading for a pub ?
[13:04] <M0UPU> better that than RAF Brize Norron
[13:04] <junderwood_M0JCU> no. A pond
[13:04] <junderwood_M0JCU> Fairford is closer
[13:04] <junderwood_M0JCU> (I think)
[13:05] <M0UPU> nah Brizenorth scroll left a little
[13:05] <Lunar_Lander> M0UPU, do you have a HAB photo on your flicker that I may use for my twitter? all the NASA ISS photos are too big in filesize
[13:05] <eroomde> buzz is predicted to land about 1km north of boars hill, which is the spot with the famous view of oxford's spires which they always used in things like Inspector Morse
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[13:07] <Laurenceb__> its also a pita to get to
[13:07] <Lunar_Lander> http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/station/crew-28/hires/iss028e017042.jpg THE SOCKS!!!
[13:07] <junderwood_M0JCU> and daveake2 needs to head for the B4449
[13:07] <Laurenceb__> i wrecked by bike in there... somewhere
[13:07] <Morseman> Suspect I'll loose sigs from BUZZ in few mins when drops over horizon to south of ne
[13:07] <eroomde> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/82/Oxford_from_Boars_Hill.jpg
[13:07] <junderwood_M0JCU> Solid signal on Anu still @ 800m
[13:07] <Laurenceb__> nice
[13:08] <M0UPU> chase car ontop of it too
[13:08] <Morseman> ne = me
[13:08] <Lunar_Lander> M0UPU, hope my request was OK
[13:08] <eroomde> infact i'm going to drive to boar's hill now and see if i can see it coming down
[13:08] <M0UPU> what was your request Lunar ?
[13:09] <Laurenceb__> looks like it might be in a wood
[13:09] <junderwood_M0JCU> Still 9dB at 300 m
[13:09] <Lunar_Lander> M0UPU, do you have a HAB photo on your flicker that I may use for my twitter? all the NASA ISS photos are too big in filesize
[13:09] <M0UPU> blimey junderwood_M0JCU youare going to get it on the ground
[13:09] <junderwood_M0JCU> Gone. Last packet at 229m
[13:09] <junderwood_M0JCU> $$ANU,1454,13:09:16,51.71534,-1.45965,229,11,26.7,0.0,5.80*C72
[13:10] <junderwood_M0JCU> $$ANU,1455:`
[13:10] <M0UPU> I don't have a lickr
[13:10] <junderwood_M0JCU> (and static)
[13:10] <Morseman> Amazed it's still +10dB here - ground is rising to south of me!
[13:10] <Morseman> BUZZ that is
[13:10] <Lunar_Lander> M0UPU, oh ok sorry
[13:11] <nick_> Whilst Oxford looks nice from a distance it really annoys me to see it from above.
[13:11] <M0UPU> best on BUZZ junderwood_M0JCU
[13:11] <junderwood_M0JCU> I'm there
[13:11] <M0UPU> if your not already
[13:11] <M0UPU> :)
[13:11] <nick_> You find out how much land the colleges keep hidden away.
[13:11] <nick_> What is the tracking url?
[13:11] <M0UPU> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[13:11] <M0UPU> G8KNN-Jon could you switch to XABEN on 434.306 ish please
[13:12] <junderwood_M0JCU> Looks like Anu found the only trees for miles
[13:12] <junderwood_M0JCU> In a farmyard
[13:12] <M0UPU> number10 must be close getting it on the ground
[13:13] <r2x0t> big trees around ANU
[13:13] <M0UPU> thats in a tree isn't it
[13:13] <r2x0t> I think so
[13:14] <junderwood_M0JCU> I don't think I'll be able to track Buzz as low. Otmoor seems to be in the way
[13:15] <M0UPU> 10p says ANU is 30 meters up a tree
[13:15] <M0UPU> Ground level there is 60 m
[13:15] <junderwood_M0JCU> That's a seriously big tree
[13:15] <r2x0t> also there are powerlines there
[13:16] <junderwood_M0JCU> I doubt it's more than 20m up.
[13:16] <M0UPU> Ava Cloud where 30 meters up
[13:16] <junderwood_M0JCU> (academic anyway above 8m)
[13:16] <M0UPU> oh yeah
[13:16] <Lunar_Lander> M0UPU, I found my new twitter background :)
[13:17] <M0UPU> thans G8KNN-Jon
[13:17] <M0UPU> thanks even
[13:17] <Lunar_Lander> M0UPU, http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap120609.html
[13:17] <M0UPU> yeah good picture that
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[13:17] <junderwood_M0JCU> Anu chase car just reached the "Trespassers will be shot" sign.
[13:18] <M0UPU> lol
[13:18] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
[13:18] <Lunar_Lander> M0UPU, I think it is awesome!
[13:18] <Lunar_Lander> like the sun is behind Venus and you see the edge and Venus is just a black sphere there
[13:18] <Lunar_Lander> and sun is really yellow
[13:19] <jdtanner> Last packet from Buzz before I lost it completely& $$BUZZ,2110,13:02:49,51.66683,-1.33999,15477,35,76,14,11,5.39*85DC
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[13:22] <jdtanner> Looks like that's all I can contribute today& :) First time with my FT790 and aWSM-270 (trial use for the car)
[13:22] <Lunar_Lander> jdtanner, awesome!
[13:22] <Lunar_Lander> I started with the FT-790R too on Apex Alpha
[13:22] <M0UPU> good effort today
[13:23] <M0UPU> good practice too
[13:23] <Morseman> End of play for me I think - can still see a trace but no fukll decodes at all now
[13:23] <edmoore> In car how close buzz to boars hill?
[13:23] <jdtanner> Indeed :) Amazing that I could rx what I did given that I'm in my house :)
[13:24] <junderwood_M0JCU> edmoore, about half way between Boars Hill and Sainsbury's
[13:24] <r2x0t> ANU location on street view: http://goo.gl/maps/y6fl
[13:24] <M0UPU> going to recover Ed ?
[13:25] <Andy-g0poy> I will lose BUZZ signal very soon, now S0 with lots of noise
[13:25] <daveake> anu found
[13:25] <Laurenceb__> looks like it might be the wood :-S
[13:25] <RocketBoy> come to dadda
[13:25] <Laurenceb__> cool
[13:25] <M0UPU> yay daveake - in a tree ?
[13:26] <daveake> Double whammy ... tree AND power line
[13:26] <junderwood_M0JCU> Buzz is still strong for me. If it lands in one of those trees I may not lose the signal at all :)
[13:26] <M0UPU> ouch
[13:26] <daveake> We have a plan
[13:26] <junderwood_M0JCU> Zzzap
[13:26] <r2x0t> cut both down? :)
[13:26] <Lunar_Lander> DAMN, really?
[13:26] <Lunar_Lander> hey RocketBoy :)
[13:26] <M0UPU> meanwhile RocketBoy is trying to catch the payload as it lands :)
[13:26] <daveake> number10zzzzzzzztt
[13:26] <M0UPU> lol
[13:26] <daveake> LOL
[13:26] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[13:26] <Lunar_Lander> daveake, at least the payload isn't there: http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap120609.html
[13:27] <RocketBoy> well see it
[13:27] <M0UPU> Lunar remember he's on 3G
[13:27] <edmoore> At boars hill now
[13:27] <M0UPU> with a radio ?
[13:27] <edmoore> Is it overhead yet?
[13:27] <edmoore> No
[13:27] <M0UPU> just coming over West Wood
[13:27] <edmoore> Spacenear crashes ipad so can't see map
[13:27] <M0UPU> look towards the A34
[13:27] <junderwood_M0JCU> Head for the A34. It is predicted to land new Red Copse Lane on your left
[13:28] <edmoore> Where is west wood relative to me?
[13:28] <junderwood_M0JCU> Maybe slightly short of there
[13:28] <junderwood_M0JCU> West Wood is towards the A34 from Boars hill
[13:28] <Lunar_Lander> M0UPU, oh thanks for the info
[13:28] <Andy-g0poy> lost buzz signal now
[13:28] <edmoore> Have a camera to attempt photo in the air
[13:28] <Lunar_Lander> sorry
[13:28] <junderwood_M0JCU> 2000 ft
[13:29] <M0UPU> Going to land on your head if you're in Boars Wood
[13:29] <edmoore> So where relative to me right now distance and bearing roughly
[13:29] <junderwood_M0JCU> It depends where you are
[13:29] <M0UPU> if your facing down Kerkley Road
[13:29] <M0UPU> to the A34
[13:29] <junderwood_M0JCU> It's going to be close to the road
[13:29] <M0UPU> it should be at 11 oclock
[13:29] <Andy-g0poy> Switched to XABEN - strong signa S2 on meter
[13:30] <junderwood_M0JCU> 342m
[13:30] <junderwood_M0JCU> 280m
[13:30] <M0UPU> in the trees
[13:30] <M0UPU> meh
[13:30] <junderwood_M0JCU> Wow! That was a sharp cutodd
[13:30] <Laurenceb__> oh noes
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[13:30] <M0UPU> edmoore
[13:30] <M0UPU> head back up Foxcombe Road a little towards the A34
[13:30] <junderwood_M0JCU> It's in the trees :(
[13:30] <M0UPU> turn right down Foxcombe Lane
[13:31] <edmoore> Yes I am on kerkley road facing ox
[13:31] <M0UPU> and its in the trees to your left
[13:31] <junderwood_M0JCU> I can still see it on the waterfall so it must be in a tree
[13:31] <M0UPU> go back to the end of that road
[13:31] <M0UPU> turn left
[13:31] <M0UPU> take 3rd right
[13:32] <edmoore> If u give me a lat lon will satnav
[13:32] <M0UPU> 51.71749,-1.27547
[13:32] <M0UPU> OX1 5DH
[13:33] <Morseman> OK I give up, other than http://www.robertharrison.org/listen/view.php where do reported reception strings go please? Cos none of mine from today seem to be in there
[13:33] <M0UPU> they don't go there any more
[13:33] <M0UPU> http://habitat.habhub.org/stats/
[13:33] <daveake> edmoore you chasin'?
[13:33] <edmoore> What's the trick for the pointer being precisely in right place rather than nearest road?
[13:33] <edmoore> @
[13:33] <daveake> Last I got was $$BUZZ,2233,13:30:03,51.71749,-1.27547,00280,9,310.y2,y-m[=~M'
[13:33] <M0UPU> he's very close to Buzz
[13:33] <daveake> cool
[13:34] <M0UPU> no idea but its just off the road edmoore
[13:34] <daveake> We're just taking number10 to A&E then we'll head for Buzz
[13:34] <daveake> ^^ joke
[13:34] <junderwood_M0JCU> $$BUZZ,2233,13:30:03,51.71749,-1.27547,00280,9,310,22,9,5.47*C485
[13:34] <M0UPU> hope thats lol :)
[13:34] <daveake> :D
[13:34] <M0UPU> recovered it ?
[13:34] <Morseman> Thanks UPU
[13:34] <daveake> I'll go find out
[13:34] <edmoore> Heading there now
[13:34] <junderwood_M0JCU> Borrow a shotgun from the farmer?
[13:34] <daveake> I was just grabbing the last few lines from Buzz before I follow the others
[13:35] <daveake> afk
[13:35] <M0UPU> looks like the woods are public
[13:35] <junderwood_M0JCU> But they look rather tall
[13:35] <M0UPU> yeah they are scary tall
[13:35] <fsphil> what I miss?
[13:35] <fsphil> nooo not trees
[13:36] <junderwood_M0JCU> 2/2 so far
[13:36] <M0UPU> eroomde foxcombe lane is very small there is a small postbox next to it
[13:36] <M0UPU> BUZZ in very big trees
[13:36] <M0UPU> ANU is in a tree with a powerline
[13:36] <fsphil> :/
[13:36] <M0UPU> XABEN decided all this larking about isn't for it and is still in the air
[13:37] <r2x0t> nah, XABEN is just looking for a good tree
[13:37] <junderwood_M0JCU> Luckily there are no trees in Xaben's path.
[13:37] <junderwood_M0JCU> Peterborough catherdral maybe ....
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[13:38] <M0UPU> I'm not sure there is access to those woods from Foxcombe Lane
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[13:39] <junderwood_M0JCU> Probably through someone's back garden
[13:39] <junderwood_M0JCU> Nice houses btw
[13:39] <M0UPU> just a bit
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[13:41] <edmoore> Yeah v nice houses
[13:41] <edmoore> There now
[13:41] <Lunar_Lander> can you see it?
[13:41] <edmoore> Suspect easier to get to woods dro
[13:41] <edmoore> From main road
[13:41] <M0UPU> yeah
[13:41] <M0UPU> however where it is may just be in someones garden
[13:41] <M0UPU> can't quite tell
[13:42] <daveake> #anu recovered
[13:42] <junderwood_M0JCU> I don't think it made it quite that far
[13:42] <M0UPU> nice one daveake
[13:42] <Andy-g0poy> XABEN signal lost now
[13:42] <M0UPU> XABEN should be ok I think Steve is pretty much next to it and G8KNN-Jon has it too
[13:42] <daveake> payload was in a tree, chute on ground, line draped over the power line
[13:42] <junderwood_M0JCU> approach with care
[13:43] <daveake> Pole --> tree --> payload freed
[13:43] <M0UPU> did you touch your toungue on it to see if it tingled ?
[13:43] <daveake> Line pulled free too
[13:43] <daveake> lol
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[13:43] <daveake> if > pp3 !use_tongue
[13:44] <M0UPU> I think power lines would contitute > yes :)
[13:44] <M0UPU> constitute
[13:44] <M0UPU> edmoore is looking for BUZZ now
[13:44] <daveake> just a bit
[13:44] <daveake> cool
[13:44] <M0UPU> you need to head to OX1 5DH
[13:44] <daveake> cheers
[13:44] <edmoore> daveake: Do u want me to find itor shall I hang tight here ad wait for u?
[13:45] <daveake> hang tight I think
[13:45] <edmoore> Ok
[13:45] <daveake> leaving now
[13:45] <edmoore> Am on that lane
[13:45] <edmoore> Eta?
[13:46] <M0UPU> 30 mins according to Google
[13:46] <r2x0t> XABEN just turned around
[13:46] <M0UPU> thats odd
[13:46] <r2x0t> or maybe landed?
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[13:47] <M0UPU> no still coming down
[13:47] <M0UPU> getting concerningly close to that canal/irrigation channel
[13:47] <edmoore> Ok will sit tight
[13:47] <edmoore> Should have brought picnic lunch
[13:48] <Laurenceb__> xaben down
[13:48] <r2x0t> should be good photography target
[13:48] <M0UPU> I think XABEN is down
[13:48] <M0UPU> looks a nice easy recovery
[13:48] <M0UPU> unless that field is full of bulls
[13:48] Nick change: M0UPU -> Upu
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[13:50] <edmoore> Am gonna head back to berkeley lane by boars hill. 3G and a nice view. Might be easier to convene there daveake
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[13:52] <Andy-g0poy> Nothing more I can do here, so time for lunch. well done to all
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[13:53] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, four cool flights
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[13:54] <junderwood_M0JCU> OK. Got some partial decodes. Looks like:
[13:54] <junderwood_M0JCU> 51.71746, -1.27603
[13:54] <M0PDA> 73 fanks 4 the launch
[13:54] <Upu> that would look about right
[13:54] <junderwood_M0JCU> 153m
[13:54] <Upu> thanks for tracking M0PDA
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[13:55] <Upu> WELL
[13:55] <junderwood_M0JCU> 148m
[13:55] <Upu> oop
[13:55] <Upu> well that location is 135m asl
[13:55] <Upu> so thats promising
[13:55] <edmoore> Still a big tree
[13:55] <Upu> yeah
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[13:56] <junderwood_M0JCU> It's a bit closer to Foxcombe lane than the last packet
[13:56] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, hope that daveake2 gets the payload weg
[13:56] <Lunar_Lander> sorry
[13:56] <Lunar_Lander> back
[13:56] <Upu> watch this space
[13:56] <edmoore> number10_M0MDB: Are you with daveake?
[13:57] <junderwood_M0JCU> But still transmitting nicely so you should get a good location when you're close
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[14:01] <edmoore> So for interests sake, the tracker website is crashing safari on my ipad
[14:02] <edmoore> I wonder if it's just the weight of positions of all the payloads
[14:03] <junderwood_M0JCU> 131m
[14:03] <junderwood_M0JCU> going down?
[14:04] <edmoore> Ionospheric correction constants staying the same while the earth rotates away from the sun praps
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[14:10] <Laurenceb__> anyone sp[otted it?
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[14:11] <edmoore> I'm waiting for daveake
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[14:12] <gonzo_> anything airborne at the mo?
[14:12] <fsphil> all down
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[14:14] <NSS> KB9ZWL? Ya here?
[14:14] <gonzo_> damn missed them
[14:14] <gonzo_> both dave-hab's?
[14:14] <edmoore> Yes
[14:15] <WillDuckworth> hey Upu - just saw that post about the mini cams jamming gps - where did you find it?
[14:16] <WillDuckworth> well done rocketboy daveake number10 and all the trackers - bit of a mission today!
[14:17] <Lunar_Lander> the 808 jams GPS?
[14:17] <NSS> Lots of stuff will desence a GPS. Not just the cameras.
[14:17] <SpeedEvil> http://www.epicfail.com/2012/04/28/art-fail/ - Butterdance.
[14:17] <SpeedEvil> (not particularly related to anything)
[14:21] <Laurenceb__> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Damforms.jpg
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[14:24] Action: SpeedEvil heartily agrees with that.
[14:24] Action: SpeedEvil thinks of annoying forms.
[14:24] <SpeedEvil> yeah - seen similar shots before.
[14:24] <SpeedEvil> An epic task.
[14:27] <Laurenceb__> ooh a new packet
[14:27] <Laurenceb__> top of a big tree
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[14:30] <Laurenceb__> indeed, looks like they had to fill in lots of annoying forms to get that built
[14:30] <SpeedEvil> http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Castree-Kiln-Shop/_i.html?_fsub=12697256
[14:30] <SpeedEvil> Fun with clay. (and high temperatures)
[14:31] <F1src> 73 to all, have a nice week
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[14:32] <Laurenceb__> heh there is streetview
[14:32] Nick change: danielsaul -> invisibleperson
[14:34] Nick change: invisibleperson -> danielsaul
[14:34] <Laurenceb__> it looks a bit treey
[14:35] <SpeedEvil> np: De La Soul - (Tree is) the magic number.
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[14:50] <Upu> was on the GPSL mailing list WillDuckworth
[14:50] <Upu> edmoore it always crashes it if its busy
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[14:54] <daveake> buzz be in a branch
[14:54] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "[UKHAS] Re: [GPSL] Mini video cameras from eBay"
[14:54] <daveake> at the top of a tall tree
[14:54] <Upu> how high ?
[14:54] <Upu> recoverable ?
[14:55] <daveake> nope
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[14:55] <Upu> damn
[14:55] <daveake> way too high
[14:55] <Upu> private or public land ?
[14:55] <daveake> Above a tennis court
[14:55] <daveake> private
[14:55] <Upu> private then :)
[14:55] <daveake> posh house
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[14:55] <Upu> lol
[14:55] <daveake> electric gate and intercom
[14:55] <Upu> higher than Ava/Cloud ?
[14:55] <daveake> oh yus
[14:55] <Upu> fair enough
[14:55] <gonzo_> best walk away
[14:55] <daveake> did steve catch xaben?
[14:56] <Upu> thats two now sat in trees daveake :)
[14:56] <Upu> not sure not heard
[14:56] <daveake> I KNOW
[14:56] <daveake> and 2 in the sea
[14:56] <daveake> number10 has a 100% record :)
[14:56] <Upu> it landed in what appears to be an easy recovery
[14:56] <gonzo_> they could get snotty about costs of recovery
[14:56] <daveake> Anyway off home now for BBQ
[14:56] <Upu> enjoy
[14:56] <daveake> Yeah, only a cheap tracker no cameras
[14:57] <junderwood_M0JCU> Oh dear. Well, I can still hear it. I'll let you know when it expires.
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[14:57] <daveake> !!
[14:57] <junderwood_M0JCU> Shame it's not on 075. None of their posh cars would open!
[14:57] <daveake> How far away are you?
[14:57] <Upu> haha
[14:57] <daveake> lol
[14:57] <junderwood_M0JCU> Bicester
[14:58] <Upu> that would be properly funny
[14:58] <daveake> It would :)
[14:58] <daveake> Batteries should last till about midnight
[14:58] <junderwood_M0JCU> I don't think the antenna will still be up at midnight
[14:59] <daveake> :D
[14:59] <junderwood_M0JCU> Then again, I might just leave it for tomorrow's festivities
[14:59] <gonzo_> anu looks like it was dextined for power lines, but found an allotment?
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[15:01] <daveake> ANU managed tree + ground + power lines
[15:01] <daveake> bb
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[15:01] <gonzo_> ah yes, they turn east across the garden
[15:01] <gonzo_> recoivered?
[15:02] <gonzo_> is that a celphone mast near buzz's landing?
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[15:04] <WillDuckworth> cheers Upu - my keychain camera went on: - gps lost, then stopped 30 mins later - gps came back - thanks - i don't feel so bad now
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[15:13] <cuddykid> WillDuckworth: manage to get any good shots with the keychain cam?
[15:14] <junderwood_M0JCU> Just put the yagi up. Live telemetry from Buzz :)
[15:14] <junderwood_M0JCU> (It isn't doing much)
[15:14] <junderwood_M0JCU> 50 deg c?
[15:14] <Upu> ywah
[15:14] <Upu> it was overheating before launch
[15:15] <junderwood_M0JCU> Should be able to see when the locals shoot it down ;)
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[15:21] <eroomde> back
[15:21] <Laurenceb__> large tree?
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[15:22] <eroomde> back
[15:22] <eroomde> woah
[15:22] <eroomde> yes big trees
[15:22] <eroomde> not something that would come down easily
[15:23] <junderwood_M0JCU> The habhub statistics say that Daveake has 2220 strings from this payload.
[15:23] <junderwood_M0JCU> I'm only up to 176 so far but I should beat him by midnight :)
[15:25] <junderwood_M0JCU> When are people going to realise that a chainsaw is essential equipment for recovery
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[15:25] <junderwood_M0JCU> (and a Zodiac)
[15:26] <Randomskk> I keep both in my backpack
[15:26] <junderwood_M0JCU> (rofl)
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[15:28] <WillDuckworth> hey cuddykid - not really, only lasted 30mins (blessing in disguise) and some of the twine got in the way
[15:29] <cuddykid> WillDuckworth: ahh yeah - just read about the GPS jamming effect :(
[15:30] <WillDuckworth> good to know for the future
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[16:01] <RocketBoy> yo folks - got it back
[16:01] <RocketBoy> heading for home now
[16:02] <RocketBoy> bbl
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[16:04] <Adam012> Has anyone uploaded photos/video from their launch today?
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[16:08] <eroomde> http://i.imgur.com/m5HaU.jpg
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[16:12] <Upu> daveake [17:01] <RocketBoy> yo folks - got it back
[16:12] <daveake> Excellent
[16:13] <daveake> ANU got some good video of the ascent (till the batteries froze) and some very good photos
[16:13] <Upu> look forward to seeing them
[16:13] <Upu> was a great dat for it
[16:13] <Upu> day
[16:14] <daveake> Nice busy day for everyone
[16:15] <Adam012> @eroomde - depressingly frequent sight in my line of work, usually accompanied by a sigh and a reference to my lesson plan detailing when said 'person' was taught it.
[16:16] <Adam012> Was ANU using lithium or li-po?
[16:16] <staylo> 1/2 mark for apostrophe
[16:18] <daveake> li-po
[16:18] <daveake> Just a little key fob thing
[16:18] <daveake> Pictures quite
[16:18] <daveake> good
[16:23] <Adam012> I am looking around for cheaper alternatives to the Go Pro in case we cannot get sponsorship for one, All I have found so far is the Kodak Playsport zx5 at half the price of the Go Pro 1 and 30% of the price of the Go Pro 2. Most reviews do not explain whether the cameras will stop recording at the 4GB limit.
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[16:25] <daveake> I've used Kodak Zx1 camcorders and those close off the file at 4GB and then start a new one.
[16:42] <Adam012> That is the kind of functionality we're looking for. As long as they keep recording up to 3hrs they'll make our list.
[16:47] <daveake> You need ~4GB/hour for HD30 mode on mine
[16:48] <daveake> ANU's landing site - http://i.imgur.com/cT0Sl.jpg
[16:48] <Adam012> That was roughly our estimate. IT certainly thins the field when you start looking at weight battery life and storage.
[16:49] <Adam012> @Daveake - Yowzers! How did you retrieve it safely?
[16:50] <daveake> *I* didn't :)
[16:50] <daveake> Payload was in a tree, within reach of a telescopic pole with a hook taped to the end
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[16:51] <daveake> Once that was cut free the rest fell to the ground
[16:52] <junderwood_M0JCU> Any photos of Buzz?
[16:52] <junderwood_M0JCU> (It's still alive BTW)
[16:53] <daveake> yes, I noticed :)
[16:53] <Adam012> Ah, how did Dave get it down?
[16:54] <MrScienceMan> anyone interested in a FT-790R ?
[16:54] <daveake> Pulled with a pole and a hook
[16:55] <eroomde> MrScienceMan: ask the mailing list5
[16:55] <daveake> Buzz http://i.imgur.com/8GvZk.jpg
[16:55] <MrScienceMan> im not selling eroomde
[16:55] <MrScienceMan> one poped up on ebay
[16:55] <daveake> Look 1/3rd from the right side, and about the same distance from the top
[16:56] <MrScienceMan> nice photo :D
[16:56] <Adam012> Long pole needed!
[16:56] <MrScienceMan> longest pole.
[16:56] <daveake> On the end of another longest pole
[16:57] <MrScienceMan> pretty much :D
[16:57] <daveake> 'chute and latex - http://i.imgur.com/riMYI.jpg
[16:58] <Adam012> Do you know anyone in the fireservice?
[17:00] <Adam012> Or a friend with a telescopic platform?
[17:00] <MrScienceMan> how would they get in there ?
[17:00] <junderwood_M0JCU> You could try fastening a length of string to a tennis ball
[17:00] <Adam012> Platforms can be moved horizontally as well as vertically.
[17:00] <SpeedEvil> Trained beaver.
[17:01] <Adam012> Other alternatives: archery with a view to snagging the chute with a barb
[17:02] <junderwood_M0JCU> If it gets much warmer the tree could go up in flames
[17:02] Action: SpeedEvil keeps wondering about laser-guided arrows.
[17:02] <r2x0t> ...high powered laser to cut the rope
[17:03] <Adam012> That's not a bad idea
[17:03] <r2x0t> but will have to paint it black before launch
[17:03] <r2x0t> 1W laser would probably do it
[17:03] <MrScienceMan> why is no one considering just cutting the tree down ?
[17:03] <Adam012> This isn't the US
[17:04] <daveake> It's on private land
[17:04] <r2x0t> because it's in someone's garden? and people usually don't like when you cut their trees for fun
[17:04] <daveake> It's easier, cheaper and less stressful to just make another tracker
[17:04] <MrScienceMan> ahh
[17:05] <MrScienceMan> well, perhaps you can train a cat to go fetch it?
[17:05] <daveake> train a cat?
[17:05] <r2x0t> lol
[17:05] <daveake> I guess you don't have cats ....
[17:05] <daveake> Mine are trained to what the hell they want
[17:05] <r2x0t> cat trains you, not the other way
[17:06] <BrainDamage> what frequency does it broadcast on? with small enough wavelenght you could use a passive reciever to aim an harpoon for recovery
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[17:07] <eroomde> i'm not sure if you're joking
[17:08] <Adam012> It's half and half.
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[17:08] <r2x0t> I rather use signal homing rocket propelled chainsaw
[17:09] <eroomde> more sensible
[17:09] <MrScienceMan> invent a large robot hand to gently pick it up
[17:10] <BrainDamage> in the worst case, remember, there's no problem that cannot be overcome with the sufficient amount of explosives
[17:11] <eroomde> the common cold
[17:12] <BrainDamage> eroomde: not an issue, use enough explosive to eradicate the virus from the universe
[17:13] <eroomde> proving the reimann hypothesis
[17:15] <BrainDamage> add sufficient amount of explosives that energy density produces another big bang which leads to another universe in which the riemann hypothesis is proved
[17:16] <eroomde> i see this is going to be your getout clause
[17:16] <eroomde> i give up
[17:16] <MrScienceMan> add sufficient amount of explosives and you wont give up
[17:17] <BrainDamage> sorry, I know that was a bit bland :/
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[17:20] <Lunar_Lander> daveake, did you recover the payload?
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[17:32] <WillDuckworth> anyone know what balloon buzz was using?
[17:41] <eroomde> Lunar_Lander: he didn't
[17:41] <eroomde> it remains up a tree
[17:42] <Lunar_Lander> damn
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[17:44] <fsphil> curse you plants!
[17:45] <gb73d> my uhf rig is working had a tune round uhf
[17:46] <gb73d> seem to have noise from digi tv on some parts
[17:46] <gb73d> cel la vie
[17:46] <fsphil> I'm still getting burst noise on my funcube dongle
[17:46] <fsphil> I had connected one of those 2m/70cm diplexers before it
[17:46] <fsphil> to filter out the broadcast FM
[17:46] <fsphil> that helped quite a bit
[17:49] <fsphil> just need to figure out why dl-fldigi isn't compiling
[17:52] <Lunar_Lander> xD fsphil
[17:53] <daveake> WillDuckworth Buzz 70g inc chute under a 1600 hwoyee
[17:53] <fsphil> odd that all launches today had similar altitude troubles, except the 1200g
[17:54] <daveake> it is odd
[17:55] <Lunar_Lander> hi daveake
[17:55] <fsphil> any connection?
[17:55] <WillDuckworth> well impressed with the hwoyee 500 - did about 3k more than expected
[17:56] <daveake> not really
[17:56] <fsphil> external force maybe
[17:56] <daveake> Last time I flew the same configuration it did over 43k
[17:56] <WillDuckworth> odd eh
[17:56] <daveake> Balloons vary I think
[17:57] <fsphil> just concidence perhaps
[17:57] <fsphil> only spelled correctly
[17:57] <daveake> :)
[17:58] <WillDuckworth> daveake - do you use the tinygps library?
[17:59] <daveake> nope
[17:59] <daveake> diy
[17:59] <WillDuckworth> what i thought - think i'm going to ditch it too
[17:59] <WillDuckworth> just doesn't do good altitude
[18:00] <fsphil> was there a fault?
[18:02] <WillDuckworth> not really- it's just tinygps seems slow to get an altitude - then was a bit 'stepped' today; slow to detect change
[18:02] <fsphil> aah see that on the graph
[18:03] <WillDuckworth> the recent smooth graphs of dave^2 and eurus don't use it - so going to make the move i think :)
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[18:03] <fsphil> you had a fairly smooth descent
[18:03] <fsphil> from the looks of it
[18:04] <WillDuckworth> cheers - we actually saw it about to land too, which was ncie
[18:04] <WillDuckworth> nice
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[18:21] <Upu> evening
[18:27] <G0DJA> Someone chanted evenng?
[18:27] <G0DJA> evening - even (ruins the joke)
[18:44] <fsphil> oddly nice evening here
[18:46] <Upu> yup
[18:46] <Upu> same here
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[19:05] <Broliv> Evening everyone
[19:06] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[19:11] <smrtz> I'm putting the code from the ntx2, and U-BLOX guides together, and they both use pin 5, so can I just change pin 5 to pin 6 on in the ntx2 code? Or is it pin 5 for a reason?
[19:12] <Lunar_Lander> no
[19:13] <Lunar_Lander> can be any digital pin
[19:13] <smrtz> Oh, ok, thanks
[19:16] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:16] <Lunar_Lander> btw someone asked me on youtube what a good antenna for NTX2 is
[19:16] <Lunar_Lander> can someone help out?
[19:17] <smrtz> I'm using a dipole bazooka
[19:19] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[19:23] <smrtz> np, and then I'm using a yagi to receive it.
[19:23] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:24] <smrtz> link them to this guide, http://www.iw5edi.com/ham-radio/?the-vertical-bazooka-antenna,18
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
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[19:36] <fsphil> I used one of those on my first flight. they work pretty good
[19:44] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:44] <Lunar_Lander> I wonder about another thing already
[19:44] <Lunar_Lander> the 808 cameras are GPS jammers?
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[19:51] <fsphil> easily tested
[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[19:57] <Upu> evening Lunar
[19:57] <Upu> well its been reported from the US
[19:57] <Upu> and thats what happened on original AVA flight
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> ohhhhhh!
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[20:00] <Dan-K2VOL> anyone make arduino shields?
[20:03] <Upu> hey Dan-K2VOL
[20:03] <Upu> never done it but shouldn't too hard what you thinkiing ?
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[20:03] <Dan-K2VOL> just frustrated at the eagle size limit
[20:03] <Dan-K2VOL> wondering what anyone else is doing (excluding kicad, which is unusable on mac)
[20:03] <Upu> should be able to get a Arduino shield on there
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[20:03] <Upu> how big is the shield ?
[20:04] <Dan-K2VOL> it's a mega shield
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[20:04] <Upu> how big is that ?
[20:05] <Dan-K2VOL> I suppose I could try to cram it onto a normal arduino shield footprint, but with two layers that's going to be tough
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[20:11] <number10> evening daveake
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[20:16] <fsphil> what's the eagle limit?
[20:16] <Upu> 10 x 10 I think ?
[20:16] <Upu> The useable board area is limited to 100 x 80 mm (4 x 3.2 inches).
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[20:18] <fsphil> the mega is 100mm long according to the website
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[20:19] <nick_> Who was making the arduino shield and what does the shield do?
[20:20] <Dan-K2VOL> me
[20:20] <Dan-K2VOL> it's the iridium shield
[20:20] <nick_> What does that do?
[20:20] <Dan-K2VOL> and i'll be darn if iridium didn't just come out with a SMALLER modem!
[20:21] <Dan-K2VOL> it allows two-way binary messaging to your arduino anywhere on the planet with relatively low power and a small omni antenna
[20:21] <Lunar_Lander> hey btw
[20:21] <Lunar_Lander> who was blamed in the end when that Iridium sat collided with that other sat?
[20:21] <Lunar_Lander> that was in 2009 I think
[20:21] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... Well, the FT-817, co-linear and dl-fldigi seem to have managed to follow Buzz pretty well all by themselves...
[20:21] <Lunar_Lander> the first ever satellite-satellite crash that happened
[20:24] <fsphil> autotracking LazyLeopard?
[20:25] <Lunar_Lander> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_satellite_collision
[20:26] <Upu> autotracking works great
[20:26] <Upu> when you turn it on
[20:27] <Dan-K2VOL> nick, here's the iridium shield: https://github.com/whitestarballoon/Iridium-Shield
[20:27] <LazyLeopard> Yeah. Had to go out, so just left it to do its own thing. It seems to have tracked down to about 1300m on descent.
[20:27] <Laurenceb__> lol @ packets from tree
[20:28] <Laurenceb__> wonder if anyone has issues with their car fobs
[20:28] <Dan-K2VOL> wow the new Iridium 9603 modem weighs only 11.3g
[20:29] <LazyLeopard> Oh dear. Which payloads ended up in trees?
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> BUZZ I think
[20:29] <Dan-K2VOL> 9602 weighed 30g
[20:30] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... Sure looks like it....
[20:30] <Upu> All ANU was in a tree but recovered
[20:31] <Upu> BUZZ is still in a tree and unlikely to be recovered (Daveake likes to decorate trees with pink capsules)
[20:31] <Upu> XABEN took a long time to recover for reasons I'm not quite sure as the landing place looked fairly accesible
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[20:31] <Upu> RocketBoy ?
[20:31] <RocketBoy> yo
[20:31] <Upu> evening
[20:32] <RocketBoy> hiya
[20:32] <Upu> Xaben looked an easy recovery ?
[20:32] <nick_> Do you guys try to find a landowner before recovering a payload, or just grab it quickly and go?
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[20:32] <Upu> nick_ you always contact the land owner or you'll end up in the nick
[20:32] <nick_> How do you find out who it is?
[20:32] <RocketBoy> yes very easy - able to drive the landy within 50ft or so
[20:33] <Upu> cool
[20:33] <Upu> shame about Buzz but thats HAB
[20:33] <RocketBoy> mind you - i wouldn't have been able to drive an ordinary car that close
[20:33] <Upu> nick just start knocking on doors
[20:33] <Upu> whos land rover was it ?
[20:33] <RocketBoy> mine
[20:34] <Upu> oh ok did you know it was going somewhere off road ?
[20:34] <RocketBoy> my van is a freelander
[20:34] <junderwood_M0JCU> You need a decent sized vehicle to tow the Zodiac :)
[20:34] <Upu> I thought it was something else
[20:34] <Upu> never mind :)
[20:34] <RocketBoy> tis the smallest landy
[20:35] <RocketBoy> your GPS module really proved itselft today
[20:35] <Upu> seemed to work :)
[20:35] <RocketBoy> the payload was almost upside down for the entire flight
[20:35] <nick_> Seems tricksy. If someone came knocking on my door back when I lived in the middle of nowhere I couldn't tell them who owned all the land around me.
[20:35] <Upu> how did that happen ?
[20:36] <RocketBoy> fliped up on launch
[20:36] <Upu> it did seem to be having a rough ride
[20:36] <RocketBoy> due to tension in the cord
[20:36] <Upu> glad it worked
[20:36] <Upu> what power setting did you have the radio on ?
[20:36] <RocketBoy> thats what the transmissions were poor too
[20:36] <Upu> ah ok
[20:36] <Upu> ofc
[20:36] <Upu> it was noticably weaker than ANU
[20:37] <RocketBoy> a smige over 10mw (allowing for loss in the co-ax ;-)
[20:37] <Upu> lol
[20:37] <number10> thanks to every one who tracked today - some air shots from ANU-3 http://www.flickr.com/photos/65839734@N04/sets/72157630097374400/with/7173790435/
[20:38] <RocketBoy> this is how the payload was throughout the flight http://www.flickr.com/photos/16828840@N07/7173618921/in/photostream/
[20:39] <RocketBoy> the cord got wrapped round the groundplane radial on takeoff
[20:39] <Laurenceb__> http://www.flickr.com/photos/16828840@N07/4205330177/in/set-72157622924941795
[20:39] <Laurenceb__> hehe
[20:39] <Upu> lucky that worked at all RocketBoy
[20:39] <RocketBoy> Alice Roberts :-)
[20:39] <Laurenceb__> yeah
[20:40] <Upu> with the radial bent down like that
[20:40] <Upu> great pictures Number10
[20:41] <Upu> got to be some stitchable ones there
[20:41] <Lunar_Lander> hi RocketBoy
[20:41] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, what is the nick?
[20:41] <Upu> police station
[20:41] <Lunar_Lander> is that like prison?
[20:41] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
[20:41] <Dan-K2VOL> nice pics number10
[20:42] <Upu> lol all the ones coming down trees, powerlines water :)
[20:42] <number10> thnx Upu / Dan-K2VOL
[20:42] <Dan-K2VOL> anyone ever get hardware flow control pins to work with an AVR?
[20:43] <number10> was interesting to see the parachute on the ground and the string over the high voltage cables with the paload on other end in bush/small tree
[20:43] <Dan-K2VOL> hmm.
[20:43] <Dan-K2VOL> interesting sounds more like scary
[20:43] <number10> a little worrying
[20:44] <Dan-K2VOL> glad that string wasn't wet or an HF aerial! ;-)
[20:45] <number10> long pole with hook to drag payload from tree, then cut string and parachute droped to ground
[20:46] <Upu> well all in a fun day
[20:46] <number10> must remember to bring rubber gloves next time
[20:47] <number10> was a good balloon RocketBoy, thanks :)
[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:48] <RocketBoy> 1600 number10 ?
[20:48] <number10> 1200
[20:48] <RocketBoy> cool - I haven't got any more - and wont have for several months :(
[20:48] <Upu> 1600g's all gone ?
[20:49] <number10> what about 1600s? was about to order but see run out?
[20:49] <RocketBoy> I should have some more in a couple of days
[20:50] <number10> great stuff - are you near lavenham next weekend?
[20:50] <RocketBoy> yeah - expect to be
[20:50] <number10> ok, I'll send you an email
[20:52] <nick_> number10: how did it go today?
[20:52] <nick_> Sorry I didn't make it along to help (or more likely get in the way)
[20:52] <number10> very well for me nick_ , not so good for daveake
[20:53] <nick_> Because of a tree?
[20:53] <number10> Buzz7 burst a lot earlier than expected, also high in tree
[20:54] <nick_> And idea why it burst early?
[20:54] <Upu> junderwood is still receiving it I think
[20:55] <number10> you also missed a descent bacon buttie nick_
[20:55] <fsphil> I suspect if Dave managed to land a HAB on the moon, it would probably land in a tree
[20:55] <nick_> :(
[20:55] <nick_> You missed out on a pint of my homebrew
[20:55] <fsphil> I tried to talk everyone here into having bacon butties, but nobody wanted to
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> XD fsphil
[20:55] <number10> :(
[20:57] <fsphil> hopefully next week. going camping, yays
[20:57] <Upu> what day ?
[20:57] <number10> where to?
[20:57] <Upu> you know you have to be back fro EURUS ? :)
[20:57] <fsphil> friday night
[20:57] <fsphil> I can track remotely :)
[20:58] <fsphil> somewhere up on the coast number10, not decided yet
[20:58] <fsphil> depends on the weather
[20:58] <number10> what day eurus going up?
[20:58] <fsphil> saturday or sunday
[20:59] <number10> you need a camping holiday on the highest mountain ;)
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[20:59] <number10> take ft817 and batts
[20:59] <fsphil> I suggested that, didn't go down well :)
[20:59] <number10> lol
[21:01] <eroomde> i am embarrasingly un setup for hab tracking atm
[21:02] <eroomde> need to get stuff sorted for my car i guess
[21:03] <number10> when are you launch eroomde
[21:03] <number10> ing
[21:03] <eroomde> not sure. maybe july?
[21:03] <eroomde> depends on likelihood of getting a notma at work during the olympics
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[21:09] <number10> I wonder if that will be difficult
[21:10] <eroomde> the skys seem to be very locked down for pilots certainly even random fields need to apply for landing slots in advance
[21:10] <nick_> Are there specific sites you can/can't get a NOTAM for?
[21:10] <eroomde> the RAF are taking control of all the airspace for the duration
[21:10] <nick_> Or do you have to apply to find out whether an area is not allowed?
[21:11] <eroomde> the latter
[21:11] <Dan-K2VOL> oh fun
[21:11] <eroomde> i'm sure they have some criteria
[21:11] <eroomde> it's all a bit opqaue though
[21:11] <G0DJA> Unless you are organizing a rave, or permanently staying on land, the criminal law doesn't apply to trespass in the UK, even under the 1994 act...
[21:11] <G0DJA> Despite the well known sign trespassers will be prosecuted, trespass is not a criminal offence and trespassers cannot usually be prosecuted. They can, however, be sued. There is little chance of such a matter ever being so serious as to be worth suing over, and so this rarely happens.
[21:12] <number10> ealy start tomorrow (5:30) - nice meeting you today eroomde
[21:12] <G0DJA> If you are asked to leave you have to by the shortest practical route.
[21:12] <eroomde> ?
[21:12] <nick_> On http://notaminfo.com/ukmap has a red box around Oxford, any idea what that means?
[21:12] <G0DJA> Criminal damage is another matter, as is carrying afirearm (including a pellet gun)
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[21:13] <Upu> the queen nick
[21:13] <eroomde> G0DJA: wrong channel?
[21:13] <Upu> click the R thingy
[21:13] <eroomde> nick_: the red box is a restricted area
[21:13] <nick_> Ah, I see
[21:13] <eroomde> it's only temporary
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> but wait
[21:13] <eroomde> for flypasts
[21:14] <eroomde> for the jubilee
[21:14] <Lunar_Lander> on the Railways it says "Fine for Trespassing: 1000 Pounds"
[21:14] <Upu> thats different
[21:14] <Upu> that is a criminal matter
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:15] <G0DJA> No
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[21:17] <G0DJA> There was a suggestion that you would be criminally charged (put in the nick) for trespass earlier
[21:17] <G0DJA> Not in the UK you wont
[21:17] <craag> Upu: Are the RX_ANT and TX_ANT pins connected to anything on your rfm22 breakout board?
[21:17] <Upu> hi craag
[21:17] <Upu> GPIO's I think 1 sec
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[21:18] <Upu> Yeah RX_ANT <-> GPIO_0
[21:18] <Upu> TX_ANT <-> GPIO_1
[21:19] <G0DJA> For obvious reasons it's a good idea to ask 1st but you can't be arrested for trespass against land in UK
[21:19] <G0DJA> Unless you park up or organise a rave...
[21:19] <G0DJA> park up being for the night/week etc
[21:21] <craag> Ok thanks!
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> COOL so I can walk down the train line?
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> awesome!
[21:21] <jdtanner> ...not for trespass...but for damage caused in the process of trespassing you can
[21:22] <jdtanner> Actually, there are specific laws relating to trspass on the railway
[21:22] <Upu> Lunar on the off chance you weren't joking not its illegal to walk on railways
[21:22] <jdtanner> Very illegal...and daft :P
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[21:23] <G0DJA> Otherwise I could get the Police out to the local school children and newspaper delivery people who walk across my front lawn ...
[21:23] <G0DJA> (I don't have newspapers delivered here)
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[21:24] <SpeedEvil> Railway, and motorway.
[21:24] <jdtanner> Depends on if they are damaging your front lawn ... intentionally or recklessly ;)
[21:25] <jcoxon> evening
[21:25] <SpeedEvil> Also specific installations - like airfields or airports
[21:25] <G0DJA> Well, some of them throw each other through my hedge...
[21:25] <Upu> evening jcoxon
[21:26] <G0DJA> I checked and whilst it's damage, I have to prove who it was, and sue them
[21:26] <jdtanner> Well I've "had words" for a lot less
[21:27] <G0DJA> No criminal activity of trespass, just 'damage to property' - different law
[21:27] <jdtanner> Yes, but one to be very much aware of :)
[21:28] <G0DJA> If you climb over my hedge to collect something, I can ask you to leave, and you have to go
[21:28] <G0DJA> or, prove you damaged something in doing so
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[21:28] <nick_> Be glad you're not worrying about this in America
[21:28] <nick_> Don't want someone "standing their ground" against you.
[21:29] <G0DJA> If you throw something over my hedge, you can as k for it back and I have to give it back to you as well (like tennis balls/footballs etc)
[21:29] <nick_> Someone recently did that to me.
[21:30] <nick_> I kinda suspect she was trying to rob me.
[21:30] <nick_> It was very weird.
[21:30] <G0DJA> but if it damaged something (like a greenhouse) you have to pay for the damage
[21:31] <nick_> Have there been any incidents of HAB payloads damaging stuff?
[21:31] <nick_> If so what happened?
[21:31] <nick_> You guys don't all get insurance, right?
[21:31] <jdtanner> I'd probably just speak to the local neighbourhood policing team.
[21:31] <G0DJA> Not heard of any, but insurance should cover it
[21:32] <G0DJA> I probably know the law better than our local lot jdtanner...
[21:32] <nick_> That's how you stay one step ahead of them?
[21:32] <jdtanner> Maybe...but they might surprise you :)
[21:32] <G0DJA> Only if they ever came round here...
[21:32] <jdtanner> Some of them (us) are quite helpful
[21:33] <jdtanner> ;)
[21:33] <G0DJA> Got a number for any in Bolsover?
[21:33] <jdtanner> Yep.
[21:33] <G0DJA> They don't even enforce the one way and no entry laws in the town now
[21:34] <eroomde> nick_: dont know of any damage
[21:34] <eroomde> we dont have insurance
[21:34] <G0DJA> Even the Police don't keep to those...
[21:34] <jdtanner> That is probably due to a lack of numbers :(
[21:34] <nick_> When I was younger I crashed my car and had to turn up at the local station to prove I had a license (despite it being with me when I crashed). That's when I found out the local station is only open a day or two each week.
[21:34] <jdtanner> nick_ .... in the UK?
[21:34] <nick_> yes
[21:35] <G0DJA> Saw one come the wrong way through a no entry, up the wrong way of a one way, cross the pavement and back onto the road (no blues and twos, no emergency, just convenience)
[21:35] <jdtanner> Probably just an enquiry office...bobbies are probably based there all the time ;)
[21:35] <jdtanner> G0DJA: probably should report that
[21:36] <G0DJA> Our local police station now closed - when I was asked to 'provide' my documents I ended up having to go to Chesterfield
[21:36] <nick_> I wanted to report a policeman in America for driving like he was drunk, but I'm scared of their police.
[21:37] <G0DJA> Who would belive me jdtanner, what proof did I have?
[21:37] <jdtanner> Probably best not to continue on here...but that type of thing is taken seriously.
[21:37] <G0DJA> Next time I'll film it as long as the coppers don't then decide to arrest me for filming them - that's happened to people who film the police dong bad stuff as well.
[21:38] <jdtanner> I'm quite happy when people film me :)
[21:38] <nick_> I know there have been some problems in the US with people getting done under anti-terror laws for filming the police breaking the law.
[21:38] <G0DJA> No it ain't - I worked with coppers and had them as Scout members. They know it's your word against them and then they will have my car number plate as well...
[21:39] <SpeedEvil> Filming the police is quite legal. Unless you use one of those big palet wrapping machines. They don't like that.
[21:39] <jdtanner> ...LOL
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[21:39] <G0DJA> Yes, legal, but if they think it's going to give them grief, see what happens then, even in 'peaceful UK'...
[21:39] <fsphil> autowash
[21:41] <G0DJA> I used to be a law abiding fan of the Police and then my credit card got ripped off and was accused of it being my fault for having a meal in London!
[21:42] <G0DJA> Tyhen they told me the Bank was better than the Police for that sort of tjing
[21:42] <nick_> I never really liked The Police. Sting is a dick.
[21:42] <G0DJA> Then they asked if my car was legal, and the tires were OK. (It's a company car so they were) and then about the car that was SORN on my drive!
[21:43] <G0DJA> So, I don't bother with the local lot any more...
[21:44] <jdtanner> Oh dear :( Sounds like you've had a bad experience...and on my patch as well :( All I can say is that, even thos eof us who do it voluntariliy, all try and do outr best.
[21:44] <jdtanner> (sorry...new keyboard)
[21:44] <nick_> I had a relatively pleasant experience when I was cautioned by the police.
[21:45] <jdtanner> (that isn't something you hear often :) )
[21:45] <nick_> I think they took pity on me because I mostly bashed myself up badly.
[21:45] <G0DJA> I got the impression they were low on collars that month and it was an opportunity to go fishing when I was ripped off and they couldn't do anything about it
[21:46] <jdtanner> ...sounds a bit rough
[21:46] <jdtanner> on you
[21:46] <jdtanner> :(
[21:47] <nick_> Do people essentially get flights insured indirectly?
[21:47] <nick_> Via some group's general insurance or something.
[21:48] <jdtanner> I've wondered that as well...
[21:50] <Broliv> night everyone
[21:50] <G0DJA> Don't know about insurance but it would be a good idea IMO
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[21:51] <nick_> It seems like it's the kind of activity that there isn't any specific insurance for unless you go down the custom expensive route.
[21:52] <G0DJA> BTW - I used to be in RAYNET in the West Midlands so I had contact with the EMS - OK 20 years or so ago - plus in Scouts so I know some of the things that are expected of the Police...
[21:52] <G0DJA> If you pay Fire people by the number of fires they put out, the possibility is that they may start some - unitended consequeces
[21:53] <Lunar_Lander> ohhh
[21:53] <Lunar_Lander> oh good keyword
[21:53] <Lunar_Lander> we had to read Fahrenheit 451 in school
[21:53] <Lunar_Lander> who read that too?
[21:53] <G0DJA> That's a good book - read that as well...
[21:53] <nick_> The interent keeps telling me I should because the author died.
[21:54] <jdtanner> internets nick_...internets
[21:54] <jdtanner> ;)
[21:54] <G0DJA> "In the past firemen were expected to put out fires, not start them"
[21:54] <nick_> Only one of them tells me this
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> Ray Bradbury died?
[21:54] <gonzo_> you pay your isp by the month, that sounds like rent!
[21:54] <G0DJA> Yes
[21:54] <nick_> Last week I think
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> oh no!
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> :(
[21:55] <gonzo_> farrenheight 451
[21:55] <gonzo_> (ah, reads above comments)
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:55] <gonzo_> should have a bigger irc window
[21:56] Action: SpeedEvil ponders making a teeny kilny thing to go on top of an induction cooker.
[21:57] <nick_> My to read list is currently too long.
[21:57] <G0DJA> Maybe in the future it will be changed to the temperature that a Kindle will melt at?
[21:57] <nick_> Or a hard drive in Amazon's cloud somewhere.
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> strange
[21:58] <gonzo_> well I know lots about the melting point of lead now
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> wikipedia says there is a war in the end of the book
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> don't remember that
[21:58] <gonzo_> and what happens if you have an explosion in thge melting pot
[21:59] <G0DJA> OK - off to make sure no Police person is walking over my front lawn to retrieve a parking ticket carelessly dropped over the hedge
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[22:03] <nick_> Is anyone here nerdy enough to launch some sci-fi object?
[22:03] <smrtz> Like what?
[22:04] <nick_> Maybe you could launch some star trek model and sell it on ebay as having been in space?
[22:04] <jdtanner> I was thinking of making PeakSky2 look like Sputnik...but then I realised that it will already look like Sputnik
[22:04] <jdtanner> ;)
[22:04] <smrtz> Well, near space
[22:04] <nick_> Take a picture of it looking upwards...
[22:05] <gonzo_> just been given some recovered bits from a met sonde. Interesting that it seems to have a bobbin with the cord, between the balloon/chute and the sonde
[22:05] <gonzo_> seems to be some sort of slow pay-out of the line, to avoid having to release them with a ling line to start with?
[22:06] <smrtz> speaking of parachutes, how do you guys attach yours to your balloon? I was thinking a girth hitch, but that doesn't seem like it would slip off.
[22:08] <nick_> Maybe you could launch some of the star wars lego figures and make a few quid from the nerds.
[22:08] <jdtanner> Some of the rocketyou can lash toman chutes have a loop at the top of them which
[22:09] <jdtanner> (woah...not sure what happened there)
[22:09] <smrtz> uhh, jdtanner, do you have a picture? I'm not really following...
[22:11] <jdtanner> http://www.the-rocketman.com/images/BALDI-4.jpg
[22:12] <jdtanner> from http://www.the-rocketman.com/recovery.html
[22:13] <smrtz> hmm.
[22:13] <smrtz> so you mount the balloon directly to the parachute, then just let the balloon pop, and the parachute opens?
[22:13] <jdtanner> Yep
[22:14] <smrtz> ahh, cool, thanks
[22:14] <smrtz> I guess this could work with any parachute? Because I didn't get mine from there.
[22:15] <nick_> Do people generally have a cut away mechanism?
[22:15] <fsphil> the met office put the chute inside the balloon
[22:16] <fsphil> which reminds me, wanna track tonights
[22:16] <jdtanner> tonights what?
[22:16] <fsphil> local weather balloon launch
[22:17] <fsphil> there's software you can get for tracking them
[22:17] <jdtanner> cool
[22:17] <Lunar_Lander> ah everyone is still there :)
[22:17] <gonzo_> do you still have to post process the gps info?
[22:17] <fsphil> I'll have to put it on spacenear sometime
[22:17] <smrtz> Don't live in the UK, fsphil
[22:17] <r2x0t> you get realtime gps pos
[22:17] <Lunar_Lander> jdtanner, yeah and BUZZ already looked like Sputnik too
[22:17] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:18] <fsphil> it can do it live gonzo_ , but it needs a current copy of the whatchamacallit
[22:18] <r2x0t> but still need almanach, either from internet or local gps
[22:18] <nick_> Does someone here run spacenear.us?
[22:18] <gonzo_> ephemer-thingy
[22:18] <fsphil> yea, that thing :)
[22:18] <smrtz> Actually guys, I'm using FM, and solo tracking, so that should be hard.
[22:18] <fsphil> nick_: natrium42 does
[22:19] <smrtz> my plan is to pop the balloon by melting some resistors after x hours to keep it from getting to far away.
[22:19] <r2x0t> wxsondes are good source for cheap parachutes, gps antennas and batteries :)
[22:19] <fsphil> lol
[22:19] <fsphil> they rarely land near here sadly
[22:19] <smrtz> how long should I let it float?
[22:19] <gonzo_> I have pjm's chute for our launch
[22:19] <Lunar_Lander> r2x0t, xD yea
[22:19] <fsphil> there's no proper answer for that smrtz
[22:19] <nick_> smrtz: wouldn't it be better to trigger abort based on position?
[22:19] <Lunar_Lander> smrtz, where are you from?
[22:19] <fsphil> however long you want :)
[22:20] <pjm> gonzo_ is that chute alright?
[22:20] Action: nick_ had thought about trying to add some stuff to somethign like spacenear.us
[22:20] <gonzo_> eve agn
[22:20] <gonzo_> looks ok
[22:20] <gonzo_> I'd fly it
[22:20] <smrtz> Lunar_Lander, US of A. and nick_ I really don't understand C++, so I wouldn't be able to do that.
[22:20] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[22:20] <nick_> Adding plots of extra into in the telemetry, for example.
[22:20] <nick_> smrtz: I'm sure people here could help.
[22:21] <smrtz> Anyone want to?
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[22:21] <nick_> It's not much harder than triggering on time if your microcontroller reads the GPS already.
[22:21] <nick_> I'd be happy to try to help.
[22:21] <nick_> smrtz: where abouts?
[22:21] <smrtz> I would guess not, and Virginia.
[22:22] <smrtz> would it just be an if else?
[22:22] <nick_> The way I would do it is basically write a function to measure the horizontal distane travelled.
[22:22] <fsphil> there is code on the wiki for testing if you're inside a polygon
[22:22] <smrtz> if it goes out of this range, power pin 7 (the resistor)?
[22:22] <nick_> And then trigger the abort if it was greater than some threshold.
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[22:22] <nick_> Basically
[22:22] <smrtz> oh thats, a good idea.
[22:23] <nick_> And just run this on a ticker or somehow in your code periodically.
[22:23] <smrtz> fsphil, inside a polygog
[22:23] <smrtz> polygon?
[22:23] <nick_> Polygon is just an arbitrary shape.
[22:23] <fsphil> yea, a series of points (geographic points)
[22:23] <fsphil> a closed series I should say
[22:23] <smrtz> like whiten the loop. hmm. let me look at that code.
[22:23] <fsphil> you could draw a box for example,
[22:24] <fsphil> http://ukhas.org.uk/code:uk_polygon
[22:24] <fsphil> code is that the bottom
[22:24] <nick_> That's a little more complicated than calculating r = sqrt(dx^2 + dy^2) but still fairly simple.
[22:24] <smrtz> yeah, around launch and predicted landing areas.
[22:24] <smrtz> Thanks for the link fsphil
[22:25] <nick_> smrtz: what are you running your flight computer on?
[22:25] <smrtz> an arduno
[22:25] <smrtz> Arduino*
[22:26] <r2x0t> doesn't matter which one you choose, but make sure you test it properly before flight
[22:26] <fsphil> indeed
[22:26] <r2x0t> last thing you want is cutdown 5m above your head
[22:27] <smrtz> yeah, I will, thanks again for the help with FM, r2x0t
[22:27] <jdtanner> Right....night all
[22:27] <fsphil> nite jdt!
[22:27] <r2x0t> does the FM work?
[22:27] <smrtz> as far as I can tell, yes
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[22:27] <smrtz> range is like you said, that's why I'm doing the cut down. but other than that, yes, it works great.
[22:27] <r2x0t> nice... it was just some idea I got when you asked, never actually tried that in hw
[22:27] <smrtz> haha
[22:28] <smrtz> I was wondering if theres a way to have it do something like 102.2 instead of 434.650.
[22:29] <smrtz> within the arduino.
[22:29] <r2x0t> you would need different tx module for that
[22:29] <smrtz> ahh, ok. thank
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[22:32] <nick_> hi daveake
[22:32] <nick_> sorry to hear about your tree
[22:32] <daveake> hiya
[22:32] <nick_> And that I missed it today
[22:32] <daveake> happens
[22:32] <daveake> yeah shame
[22:33] <daveake> Only a simple tracker lost though
[22:34] <nick_> You found the tree it's in?
[22:34] <daveake> yup
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[22:35] <fsphil> was it at least a huge tree?
[22:36] <fsphil> if it's gonna be stuck somewhere, it at least should be impressivly stuck
[22:36] <daveake> huuuuuge
[22:36] <smrtz> haha
[22:36] <fsphil> nice
[22:36] <fsphil> I mean, shame
[22:36] <eroomde> massive
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[22:36] <daveake> lol
[22:36] <eroomde> like there were elves wondering around it ethereally
[22:37] <fsphil> you landed in lothlorian?
[22:37] <daveake> It's a first
[22:38] <nick_> Beats landing in mount doom
[22:38] <Randomskk> yggdrasil?
[22:39] <daveake> showered with shining latex
[22:40] <smrtz> r2x0t, what did you say you assume the range to be, with LoS?
[22:41] <r2x0t> heh, really don't know
[22:41] <smrtz> ahh, ok, would a safe guess be ~15km?
[22:41] <r2x0t> 15km should be ok
[22:42] <r2x0t> with simple 3el yagi or something
[22:42] <smrtz> ok, cool, I'll try to do that.
[22:42] <r2x0t> you should test it on ground
[22:42] <smrtz> heh, that's exactly what I maid.
[22:42] <r2x0t> put it on some high building or hill or something
[22:42] <r2x0t> then drive away
[22:42] <smrtz> made...., and yeah, we will, as soon as our receiver gets here....
[22:43] <smrtz> I borrowed one to test your code, but had to give it back, and was really only able to test over ~15 feet.
[22:43] <fsphil> anyone know what's causing this noise on the funcube dongle? http://i.imgur.com/yEEeP.png
[22:44] <gonzo_> pc psu?
[22:44] <fsphil> the dongle is in the attic
[22:45] <fsphil> nah, just tried it on battery (laptop)
[22:45] <fsphil> same
[22:45] <fsphil> it's present regardless of frequency
[22:45] <gonzo_> different laptop was that?
[22:45] <fsphil> but only when connected to the colinear
[22:45] <fsphil> disconnected the power cable for a few seconds
[22:45] <gonzo_> big local signal getting in everywhere?
[22:45] <fsphil> possibly
[22:46] <fsphil> not sure what it could be
[22:46] <fsphil> I've filtered out everything below 200mhz with the diplexer
[22:46] <gonzo_> what's it sound like if you put the ssb rx window on it?
[22:47] <fsphil> sounds like DRM (the data mode, not the restrictions)
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[22:49] <r2x0t> maybe strong DVB-T signal?
[22:49] <r2x0t> like DRM, it's OFDM
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[22:51] <fsphil> yea
[22:51] <fsphil> dvb-t is quite weak here
[22:51] <fsphil> they increase the power if a few months when analogue is switched off
[22:51] <fsphil> opposite polarity to the antenna to
[22:52] <fsphil> found it
[22:52] <fsphil> I think
[22:53] <fsphil> very loud signal at 392.3MHz
[22:53] <smrtz> How sensitive is the U-BLOX timing in regards to software serial vs HW serial?
[22:53] <gonzo_> tetra?
[22:53] <r2x0t> fsphil: that's more like TETRA/TETRAPOL band
[22:53] <nick_> Why would you want to use software serial?
[22:54] <smrtz> nick_, I don't have the HW.
[22:54] <r2x0t> every arduino have HW serial
[22:54] <smrtz> I'm looking at http://ava.upuaut.net/store/wiki/doku.php?id=levelconvertor by the way.
[22:54] <nick_> Arduino does, d0/d1, no?
[22:54] <smrtz> oh, well then. thanks
[22:54] <nick_> OR 1/2, I forget the numbering
[22:54] <r2x0t> you just can't use it at same time as programming cable
[22:55] <fsphil> tetra, yea I've heard of that
[22:55] <daveake> 0/1
[22:55] <smrtz> oh. it says I'll need a "UM232 Serial UART Development Module or equivalent"
[22:55] <nick_> I thought you could, you just get the same signal on USB and the serial pins
[22:55] <fsphil> yea spot on r2x0t, that's what it is
[22:55] <fsphil> there must be a transmitter nearby
[22:55] <r2x0t> you can multiplex it, there's clever way with some resistors
[22:56] <r2x0t> but GPS output will mess up with programming
[22:56] <r2x0t> so you can't have connected output from GPS while programming
[22:56] <nick_> OK, yeah
[22:56] <r2x0t> that's only problem
[22:56] <r2x0t> small jumper will solve it..
[22:56] <daveake> Yeah, either use a jumper or switch
[22:56] <nick_> Sorry, I thought you meant while monitoring the serial, not actually programming. I wasn't thinking precisely.
[22:57] <daveake> or an ISP
[22:57] <r2x0t> yeah, or that
[22:58] <smrtz> r2x0t, the guide I'm following says I'll need a "UM232 UART Module", do I not?
[22:58] <daveake> What Arduino?
[22:58] <smrtz> thats an arduino? what?
[22:58] <r2x0t> what type of arduino?
[22:59] <r2x0t> or atmel chip on it
[22:59] <smrtz> I have a pro mini 3.3v, but the guide uses an uno
[22:59] <fsphil> hmm.. now to find a tetra filter with sma sockets:)
[22:59] <r2x0t> best tetra filter is RPG
[22:59] <r2x0t> solves the problem
[22:59] <daveake> OK, for the pro mini you need a USB-serial adapter
[22:59] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: Checkout fish suppliers.
[22:59] <fsphil> lol
[23:00] <fsphil> people tried that here r2x0t, didn't work out well :)
[23:00] <smrtz> daveake, yea, to program, but do I need one to do HW serial for a U-BLOX 6?
[23:00] <r2x0t> no, you can connect GPS directly
[23:00] <r2x0t> it's all 3.3v
[23:00] <smrtz> I have a 3.3v arduino.
[23:01] <r2x0t> there's guide on wiki for that as well
[23:01] <daveake> No, for h/w serial you just connect directly
[23:01] <daveake> The USB-serial is to program the AVR
[23:01] <smrtz> oh, I'll check that out, but, is tracking over software serial practically impossible
[23:01] <daveake> But not both at the same time
[23:02] <r2x0t> SW serial is possible, but it's much less reliable
[23:02] <nick_> You don't want to do software serial if you can avoid it (which you can)
[23:02] <daveake> So you to program you disconnect the GPS (plug/socket, or jumper, or switch)
[23:02] <smrtz> ok, thanks daveake the guide on ava.upunet says otherwise. thanks
[23:02] <r2x0t> if you can use HW serial, do it
[23:02] <smrtz> I can now that I know I don't need another part.
[23:02] <daveake> s/w serial is to be avoided
[23:03] <smrtz> thanks guys, I'll set that up somehow...
[23:03] <daveake> ^^ understatement
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[23:07] <smrtz> r2x0t, I can't find the guide you mentioned, can you post it here please?
[23:09] <r2x0t> I see... there's just the level converter one
[23:09] <smrtz> yeah, the one I linked
[23:10] <r2x0t> maybe it was UKHAS wiki
[23:10] <r2x0t> *was
[23:10] <smrtz> I couldn't find it there either...
[23:13] <r2x0t> just ignore the level converter
[23:13] <r2x0t> you connect GPS on same port you use for programming
[23:13] <r2x0t> then set it to correct baudrate
[23:13] <r2x0t> and rest of the example with HW serial is same (parsing, commands, ...)
[23:14] <smrtz> I am, and remap the pins to those used for programing? or are they already set for HW serial? also, is there a way to test this over serial monitor like nick_ was saying?
[23:14] <r2x0t> maybe there is some complete source code for arduino pro 3.3 based software you can check
[23:15] <fsphil> waiting for the sonde launch, hearing this signal: http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/Record0_20120610_231155.wav
[23:15] <fsphil> sounds like rtty
[23:15] <r2x0t> let me check
[23:16] <fsphil> you really do hear some weird stuff
[23:16] <MrScienceMan> yeh, sounds like rtty with a bit of echo
[23:17] <fsphil> ah, the sonde just appeared right next to it
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[23:17] <fsphil> it must be related to it
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[23:18] <smrtz> awesome, thanks r2x0t
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[23:20] <r2x0t> interesting signal
[23:20] <r2x0t> dunno what that is
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[23:21] <fsphil> the sonde signal appeared right next to it r2x0t
[23:21] <fsphil> within a few hz
[23:22] <r2x0t> I'm still waiting for good winds, so far no sonde landed close enough this year
[23:23] <smrtz> is there a way to track them over a web client?
[23:24] <r2x0t> no
[23:24] <smrtz> ahh, ok
[23:24] <MrScienceMan> websdr :D
[23:25] <r2x0t> but it should be possible to make sw that gets data from sondemonitor over DDE and uploads it to tracker
[23:26] <smrtz> hmm.
[23:26] <fsphil> 3.7km
[23:26] <fsphil> I forgot you need the coordinates o fthe launch site for this to work
[23:27] <r2x0t> I just use my coords
[23:27] <r2x0t> it needs to be like +/-300km from sonde
[23:27] <fsphil> aah
[23:27] <r2x0t> it's needed because of GPS implementation
[23:27] <smrtz> r2x0t, did you find any code for the pro 3.3?
[23:28] <r2x0t> no, can't find the url
[23:28] <r2x0t> there one one hosted on github, someone posted it here
[23:28] <fsphil> sweet, got coordinates
[23:28] <fsphil> 54.50724, -6.33915
[23:28] <smrtz> ahh, ok. thanks.
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[23:29] <fsphil> signal's fading
[23:31] <r2x0t> I usually use RINEX for precise GPS coords, it results in <10m precision
[23:32] <r2x0t> but in reality it doesn't matter that much
[23:32] <r2x0t> as normally you don't hear it down to ground from your QTH
[23:32] <r2x0t> so last position is +/-100m if you are lucky
[23:32] <fsphil> I appear to be LOS to the launch site
[23:32] <fsphil> the signal appears instantly
[23:33] <r2x0t> that may be higher power switch at 1k altitude
[23:33] <fsphil> ah, true
[23:33] <fsphil> although there was nothing on the waterfall at all
[23:33] <fsphil> it just started
[23:33] <r2x0t> they power up sonde ~15mins before launch
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[23:34] <r2x0t> do all the calibrations, then go out, put it on balloon and launch
[23:34] <r2x0t> in power saving mode is have 5mW output
[23:34] <fsphil> quite a bit less
[23:34] <fsphil> 6.3km
[23:34] <fsphil> -27c
[23:34] <fsphil> brr
[23:34] <r2x0t> wait for 10kkm
[23:34] <fsphil> yea, gets a lot colder
[23:35] <r2x0t> during winter nights, it can go up to -80
[23:35] <Lunar_Lander> is there a live sonde ascent?
[23:35] <Lunar_Lander> OHHHH
[23:35] <fsphil> I'm watching the local sonde launch Lunar_Lander
[23:35] <fsphil> about 30km from me
[23:35] <fsphil> actually heading straight for me I think
[23:36] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:36] <Lunar_Lander> what do they use?
[23:36] <Lunar_Lander> Vaisala RS-92?
[23:36] <fsphil> no diea
[23:36] <fsphil> oh
[23:36] <fsphil> H0554397, whatever that is :)
[23:36] <r2x0t> that's serial NR
[23:37] <r2x0t> in vaisala document, you can find a key how to decode it
[23:37] <r2x0t> it's something like A = made in yr 2000
[23:37] <r2x0t> then two numbers = month
[23:37] <r2x0t> then day and final number
[23:37] <fsphil> actually heading south, away from me
[23:37] <fsphil> hmm.. that means the launch site was not where I expected it to be
[23:38] <fsphil> 6m/s ascent speed
[23:38] <fsphil> these usually pop at about 24km
[23:38] <r2x0t> http://www.radiosonde.eu/RS02/RS02C.html
[23:38] <r2x0t> map of launch sites
[23:39] <Lunar_Lander> r2x0t, so the sonde may be made on May 5, 2008?
[23:39] <r2x0t> should be correct down to street level
[23:39] <r2x0t> Lunar_Lander: yes, or not... maybe initial year is wrong
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[23:39] <fsphil> ah yea, it's still very near that
[23:39] <r2x0t> you can look for some documents on vaisala site
[23:39] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[23:39] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[23:39] <fsphil> I thought it was further east than that for some reason
[23:40] <fsphil> actually yea, that's changed
[23:40] <fsphil> the old position was right next to the motorway
[23:42] <r2x0t> http://www.vaisala.com/en/products/soundingsystemsandradiosondes/radiosondes/Pages/RS92.aspx tab documents
[23:42] <fsphil> it's heading almost directly south, 54.49269, -6.32900
[23:42] <fsphil> 9km alt, -47c outside
[23:42] <r2x0t> you can also google for "vaisala raidiosonde user guide"
[23:42] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:43] <r2x0t> I remember some web with complete how-to
[23:43] <r2x0t> with photos
[23:45] <fsphil> what's the ideal FM bandwidth for these?
[23:45] <r2x0t> 6KHz
[23:45] <fsphil> I've it at 5khz, but there seems to be some signal all the way out to 10khz
[23:45] <fsphil> yea, 6khz even
[23:46] <r2x0t> you only need the |/\| center of signal
[23:46] <fsphil> -51C
[23:46] <fsphil> why does it have the two carriers at either side?
[23:46] <r2x0t> http://www.r00t.cz//rs92sgp.png
[23:46] <r2x0t> carriers are product of manchester coding
[23:47] <r2x0t> this makes GMSK into BPSK
[23:47] <fsphil> warming up again
[23:47] <fsphil> -49C
[23:47] <r2x0t> the carriers are caused when normal BPSK would have zero amplitude
[23:48] <fsphil> gotcha
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[23:49] <fsphil> slowing down, 4m/s ascent
[23:50] <fsphil> isn't moving very far either, still above the motorway
[23:51] <r2x0t> have you did habhub prediction?
[23:51] <fsphil> must just do that...
[23:51] <r2x0t> I always check few next days, if it's even worth monitoring the sondes
[23:53] <fsphil> I hate spectravue
[23:53] <fsphil> it's stopped working
[23:53] <r2x0t> using sdr-iq/14 ?
[23:53] <fsphil> going again
[23:54] <fsphil> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=5e566f10a0f53ed1538d8f23f4229cc3997d3aba
[23:54] <fsphil> that's bang on
[23:55] <r2x0t> good wx you have, not flying far away
[23:55] <fsphil> yea, wish I could launch my own payload
[23:56] <fsphil> this is gopro weather :)
[23:58] <fsphil> temperature dropping again
[23:58] <fsphil> -46C
[23:59] <fsphil> stuuupid spectravue again
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