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[02:08] <BudgetEngineer> Can someone fill me in on a 900mhz radio system? I've got a few 10mw transceivers, what kind of antennas should i use?
[02:11] <BudgetEngineer> Er, around 1-5mw actually.
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[03:16] <BudgetEngineer> who's out there?
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[09:01] <fsphil> morning all!
[09:03] <Elwell> isn't there a fill / lift calulator somewhere?
[09:03] <fsphil> oh habhub.org
[09:03] <fsphil> which links to http://www.cuspaceflight.co.uk/calc
[09:04] <Elwell> yep - gitit
[09:04] <Elwell> gotit even
[09:04] <fsphil> weird I thought that had been moved to habhub
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[09:12] <daveake> Hmmmm. Weather says clear next Saturday but rain on Sunday. Flight prediction for Saturday now says http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=4ddd10897ae818f79a71c673b820d96ebb1e4b82
[09:12] <number10> :(
[09:13] <daveake> Sunday prediction is fine, but no good if it's raining
[09:13] <fsphil> eek, landing in Mordor
[09:13] <jonsowman> daveake: we called off a launch yesterday due to rai
[09:13] <fsphil> at least both predictions are liable to change
[09:13] <jonsowman> n
[09:13] <jonsowman> shame as predictions were great
[09:14] <daveake> Yeah, both predictions have changed each day so far
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[09:18] <number10> what were you going to launch jonsowman ?
[09:18] <jonsowman> number10: it was the southampton uni physics outreach project
[09:18] <jonsowman> shortened to "pop", aptly enough
[09:19] <number10> ah - yes I remember seeing an email
[09:22] <fsphil> hah
[09:22] <jonsowman> might get done this week but predictions aren't looking fantastic
[09:24] <number10> if it goes up next weekend what freq are you usung jonsowman ?
[09:24] <fsphil> lol, http://www.worldipv6launch.org/
[09:24] <fsphil> "This time it is for real"
[09:25] <jonsowman> number10: it's unlikely to be next weekend
[09:25] <jonsowman> i'll try and find out the frequency though
[09:26] <number10> ok, its just that I was planning on launching with daveake next weekend
[09:26] <jonsowman> yep
[09:26] <jonsowman> we'll avoid clashing with you
[09:26] <jonsowman> but as i said it's unlikely to be next weekend anyway
[09:27] <jonsowman> more likely beginning of next week
[09:27] <number10> ok cheers
[09:30] <jonsowman> urgh
[09:30] <jonsowman> wish i had bank holidays
[09:30] <fsphil> you don't?
[09:30] <jonsowman> nope
[09:30] <fsphil> that sucks
[09:30] <fsphil> why not?
[09:30] <jonsowman> today and tomorrow are normal days
[09:30] <jonsowman> i'm not really sure
[09:30] <jonsowman> nobody has been able to give me a satisfactory answer to that
[09:31] <fsphil> seems unfair
[09:32] <jonsowman> lecturers/professors don't get them off either
[09:32] <jonsowman> it's odd
[09:33] <jonsowman> i can't really complain since after the end of this week, I'm off until october..
[09:33] <fsphil> ah well there you go :)
[09:34] <jonsowman> hehe
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[09:35] <daveake> number10 http://i.imgur.com/wPrk7.jpg
[09:35] <jonsowman> chilly
[09:36] <number10> neat
[09:36] <daveake> Put the central heating on :D
[09:36] <number10> I better put the heating on
[09:36] <fsphil> yay physics
[09:36] <number10> snap
[09:36] <number10> or find a dalas chip - or change code to 0.0
[09:37] <daveake> And the other new screen - http://i.imgur.com/9pIYg.jpg
[09:38] <number10> ohh,, i'll grab screenshot before I drop off the list
[09:38] <daveake> lol
[09:38] <daveake> I only bothered typing in the top 10
[09:39] <daveake> I did think about grabbing the actual tables but that seemed like tooo much work considering
[09:39] <daveake> Note the pink logo even though ava isn't up that high
[09:39] <number10> yes, logog looks good
[09:39] <number10> -g
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[09:40] <daveake> So now when Julie pesters me with "where is it in the charts?" I won't have to load up the tables to find out
[09:42] <number10> what would be a realy usefull app - (for me anyway)..
[09:42] <number10> take the last 5 readings up to landing - and output to a CSV file
[09:42] <number10> then just load that to gps as a route
[09:43] <daveake> Do you have software to do the CSV-->GPS bit?
[09:44] <number10> need to check the format - but think its there
[09:44] <daveake> Well building the CSV file is a POP
[09:45] <number10> i'll take a look at the formats
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[09:45] <daveake> At the mo I only keep the last reading, so I'd need to keep the last few and stop updating those when I detect a landing.
[09:46] <daveake> Though usually the data stops at landing anyway
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[09:55] <number10> program has its own sill format for csv.. but there are other import options I'll take a look at
[10:08] <fsphil> gqrx workign with the rtl-sdr nicely
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[10:22] <fsphil> hmmm... wonder if an rtty decoder could be added onto gqrx
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[10:35] <fsphil> ah just found a DAB channel. they're huge
[10:35] <Darkside> heh
[10:35] <Darkside> 1.5MHz wide
[10:36] <Darkside> 1.536 to be precise
[10:37] <Upu> ping daveake
[10:37] <Upu> you got mail
[10:39] <fsphil> seems to be just the one
[10:39] <daveake> pung
[10:40] <daveake> cheers :)
[10:41] <Upu> great regulator that
[10:41] <Upu> thx for recommendation Darkside
[10:41] <Darkside> what?
[10:41] <Darkside> the LDO?
[10:42] <Upu> yeah
[10:42] <Darkside> cool
[10:42] <Upu> tps76601
[10:42] <daveake> The one on the Arduino Mini Pro is evry good also. 300mA. 0.1something dropout
[10:42] <Darkside> i'm using it on the new micronuts
[10:42] <Darkside> i didnt [ut enough input capacitance on it initially tho
[10:43] <Upu> I think I put a bit more on
[10:43] <Darkside> i ended up with 10uF on the input and 4.7uF on the output
[10:43] <Darkside> that seems to handle the spikes from the MAX-6Q fine
[10:43] <Upu> yep thats what I have on there
[10:44] <Darkside> also those preamp pcbs are out of rmanufacture
[10:44] <Darkside> out for*
[10:44] <Upu> ok cool
[10:44] <Upu> let me know how you get on with those
[10:44] <Darkside> should have them tested next week i think
[10:45] <Upu> they will be suitable for use with FT817 too ?
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[10:48] <Darkside> uhm
[10:48] <Darkside> with external power, sure
[10:48] <Upu> well ofc
[10:48] <Darkside> depends how you configure it
[10:48] <Darkside> i have options for 5V or >5V up the coax, or the same from an external supply
[10:49] <Darkside> depends what components you put on the board
[10:49] <Upu> yeah
[10:49] <Upu> Just interested
[10:49] <Upu> in theory
[10:49] <Darkside> and its designed to fit into a hammond 1590H enclosure
[10:49] <fsphil> would it help the 817?
[10:49] <Darkside> i dont think it woudl make much difference for a FT-817
[10:50] <Darkside> its already sensitive enough
[10:50] <Darkside> but it should certainly help the funcube dongle, and will make the tv tuners usable for balloon tracking
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[10:50] <Upu> let us know how you get on with it
[10:50] <Upu> btw I put you down for the conference in London
[10:50] <Upu> Bring some PCB's with you :)
[10:51] <Darkside> heh
[10:51] <Darkside> i'll probably get a batch of pcbs made up and delivered to the UK
[10:51] <Upu> Anyone would have thought walking through customs with a HAB payload was fine
[10:52] <Darkside> i've done that before
[10:52] <Darkside> well, with the circuitboards
[10:53] <Darkside> ill probably bring a few micronuts over
[10:55] <Upu> Aye make µAvaNut look big
[10:55] <Darkside> :P
[10:56] <Darkside> maybe i can give one away as a door prize or something :P
[10:57] <Upu> door stop maybe
[10:57] <daveake> lol
[10:57] <Darkside> >_>
[10:57] <Upu> :)
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[11:27] <jonsowman> fsphil: have you done much pic asm?
[11:27] <fsphil> not in a long time jonsowman
[11:27] <jonsowman> http://pastie.org/4024724
[11:27] <jonsowman> basically C18 is useless at assembling that
[11:28] <jonsowman> i was wondering about doing it directly in asm
[11:28] <fsphil> it's compiling that badly or wrongly?
[11:28] <zyp> we're in 2012, aren't pic pretty dead by now?
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[11:28] <jonsowman> fsphil: slowly
[11:28] <jonsowman> i.e. badly
[11:28] <jonsowman> it works but it's quite astonishingly slow
[11:29] <jonsowman> zyp: believe me if it were my choice I'd be using an AVR or ARM
[11:29] <fsphil> does C18 support inline assembly?
[11:29] <jonsowman> yes
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[11:29] <fsphil> seeing if I can dig out some old code..
[11:29] <jonsowman> i've never done pic asm though
[11:31] <fsphil> grr someone's mobile phone is making my mouse wheel go crazy
[11:32] Action: SpeedEvil imagines that as an actual rodent.
[11:33] <fsphil> i imagine most of that could would be movlw's and movwf's
[11:33] <jonsowman> fsphil: yeah
[11:35] <daveake> A friend is working on a PIC24 project, and compared the C30 and CCS compilers. Latter he said generated much better assembler
[11:36] <fsphil> oh yea, pics have banked memory
[11:39] <number10> some of the larger ones are optimised for c an do not use banked
[11:43] <jonsowman> avrs are so much nicer :(
[11:43] <number10> must try one someime
[11:45] <fsphil> yea just reading these pic assembly docs reminds me why I switched :)
[11:45] <number10> the reason I used the pics is that the CCS c compiler was not expensive
[11:46] <number10> at the time and I dont think there were many (if not any) other alternative for programming small micros with C
[11:46] <jonsowman> avr-gcc is free
[11:46] <jonsowman> :P
[11:47] <number10> obviously things have move on since I bought the thing years back
[11:47] <number10> :)
[11:47] <jonsowman> lol yeah
[11:47] <number10> its nearly as old me :(
[11:47] <zyp> how many years are we talking?
[11:48] <number10> mmm.. not sure off the top of my head
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[11:49] <number10> also means you get to make up your own non-pretty trackers http://i.imgur.com/xfMFb.jpg
[11:51] <zyp> I remember playing a bit with pics in 2005, then switching to avr due to the much better toolchain (avr-gcc)
[11:53] <oh7lzb> quality and easy availability of the development environment really does make a difference for a platform
[11:54] Action: oh7lzb is banging his head against NDAs and secret SDKs at work
[11:54] <fsphil> do atmel provide any support to avr-gcc development?
[11:58] <number10> think is over 10 years zyp
[12:00] <jonsowman> fsphil: no not afaik
[12:00] <jonsowman> mm maybe
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[12:18] <fsphil> journal commit I/O error ... that doesn't sound healthy
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[12:28] <MrScienceMan> sounds like a problem with persitent memory
[12:30] <fsphil> dodgey hard drive
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[12:33] <r2x0t> first check SMART SATA error counter, if it's high, it's just HDD cable
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[12:41] <MrScienceMan> r2x0t: is that the CRC error count?
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[12:44] <r2x0t> pretty much
[12:44] <r2x0t> SATA will send data over and over until it goes thru
[12:44] <r2x0t> or timeouts, but timeout is like 10 seconds
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[12:46] <MrScienceMan> 10 sec sounds like a long timeout
[12:46] <MrScienceMan> unless the data blocks are large
[12:47] <r2x0t> on PC I had bad SATA cable, it resulted in complete lock outs
[12:47] <MrScienceMan> bad system drive usually makes the whole system hang
[12:47] <r2x0t> everything froze for some time, you could move mouse, but that was about all you could do :)
[12:48] <r2x0t> on linux, you should get kernel messages in log saying there is SATA error
[12:48] <MrScienceMan> i had a bad system drive with some important stuff on it
[12:49] <r2x0t> on windows, it fills the event log with errors
[12:49] <MrScienceMan> managed to get some of the data out by chilling in the freezer :D
[12:49] <r2x0t> yes, that works
[12:50] <daveake> I had a laptop drive that failed, but was OK when vertical
[12:50] <MrScienceMan> died completely 2/3 of the copy process
[12:50] <daveake> SO I got everything off that too
[12:51] <MrScienceMan> my netbook drive died 1 month in
[12:51] <MrScienceMan> replaced with a seagate one, larger
[12:51] <MrScienceMan> never had a problem since
[12:52] <daveake> Failed on the morning I was leaving for a foreign trip. So I took the laptop, a spare drive, USB HD adapter, and all the software I needed to install to do my work. Also bought a spare laptop at the airport to make sure :)
[12:54] <daveake> That was all a bit stressful :(
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[13:21] <fsphil> I owned an old IBM Deathstar ... got the click of doom, and the freezer got it going long enough to recover the data
[13:22] <fsphil> friend of mine had a drive from the same batch, and it's still going to this day
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[13:27] <Laurenceb_> wtf @ bank holidays
[13:27] <Laurenceb_> some people actually need to get some work done
[13:28] <zamabe> Yeah! How dare you be different!
[13:28] <zamabe> It makes me want to shout about it on the internoobs!
[13:30] <fsphil> banks don't need holidays anyway
[13:30] <zamabe> They're all just AI anyway.
[13:33] <Laurenceb_> yeah but pcbtrain are on holiday :(
[13:34] <zamabe> Great idea: Find an ATM
[13:36] <fsphil> beta layout are not, they just emailed me
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[13:41] <fsphil> my rtl-sdr seems quite deaf to the noaa satellites
[13:41] <fsphil> or it's overloaded, not sure which
[13:41] <jonsowman> fsphil: yeah i found that
[13:42] <jonsowman> what antenna are you using?
[13:42] <fsphil> those 2m/70cm mag mounts
[13:42] <jonsowman> it might be the antenna
[13:42] <jonsowman> the sats are RHCP
[13:42] <fsphil> should still see something
[13:42] <Laurenceb_> beta layout are in irish republic/germany
[13:42] <jonsowman> i would've thought so too
[13:43] <fsphil> indeed Laurenceb_- they seem to ship all their stuff from germany though
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[13:45] <Laurenceb_> do they do flexi-pcb?
[13:45] <fsphil> not sure
[13:45] <fsphil> I've just got their reflow controller so far
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[13:52] <Laurenceb_> heh price for 2 layer pcb is almost identical to pcbtrain
[13:53] <Laurenceb_> about 3% cheaper and you get a free stencil
[13:53] <fsphil> stencils are good
[13:54] <Laurenceb_> you can get cheap stencils anyway
[13:54] <Laurenceb_> in fact i have a laser cutter than can chuck them out
[13:54] <fsphil> cool
[13:56] <Laurenceb_> i suspect some price fixing
[13:59] <Laurenceb_> you can save money by avoiding silk/solderstop layers
[13:59] <Laurenceb_> which pcbtrain dont let you do
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[14:33] <Elwell> recommendations for a cheapo antenna (2m/70cm for tracking)?
[14:35] <Elwell> ideally one hackable (reversibly) to work with hab frequencies
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[14:42] <Upu> Elwell Watson Colinear
[14:43] <Upu> http://www.radioworld.co.uk/catalog/w-50_watson_2m_70cm_base_station_vertical_antenna-p-1947.html
[14:46] Action: SpeedEvil forgot http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vega_program#Balloon
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[15:37] <jcoxon> afternoon all
[15:37] <Upu> afternoon
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[15:38] <daveake> afternoon
[15:41] <jcoxon> quiet cause of no launches?
[15:41] <Upu> probably
[15:42] <jcoxon> perfect day for tracking, not a good day for launcing
[15:42] <jcoxon> launching*
[15:42] <Upu> looks great out there
[15:42] <Upu> sunny etc
[15:42] <number10> are you planning on eurus launch next weeken jcoxon ?
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[15:43] <jcoxon> number10, it'll be 2 weeks time
[15:43] <jcoxon> 16/17 June
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[15:44] <daveake> We (#10 and I) hoping for a change in prediction for next weekend. Looks rather showery atm and the flight prediction for our preferred day of Saturday isn't good
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[15:45] <WillDuckworth> hey dave - you on for next weekend do you reckon?
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[15:45] <daveake> Every time I check things have changed, so there's hope
[15:45] <daveake> Depends on how British the weather is
[15:46] <daveake> If it's "Jubilee special" then it won't be happening
[15:47] <number10> I suppose it ads to the excitement ...
[15:47] <number10> in my case stress
[15:47] <daveake> Also, today the prediction for next Saturday has it landing near London, so that's not happening either
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[15:47] <WillDuckworth> not ideal
[15:47] <daveake> lol
[15:47] <daveake> nope
[15:47] <WillDuckworth> i'm aiming for 8:30 start....ish
[15:47] <WillDuckworth> 434.075
[15:47] <daveake> so midday then
[15:47] <daveake> what day?
[15:48] <WillDuckworth> lol - hopefully sat
[15:48] <daveake> We shall need to confer then :D
[15:48] <WillDuckworth> are you using an rfm?
[15:48] <daveake> Not for this one, but I could
[15:49] <WillDuckworth> mine's not going to be any record attempt - just up and down in around 2hours
[15:49] <number10> or we could give you an early morning call at 0500 WillDuckworth ;)
[15:49] <daveake> Again that depends on the weather - if it's overcast I'll launch a lightweight payload and that'll be an rfm
[15:50] <daveake> number10 Or you could get over here for 5am :p
[15:50] <number10> options options .... you experienced habers have lots of them
[15:50] <daveake> need to
[15:50] <WillDuckworth> ok - will play it by ear :)
[15:50] <number10> could do
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[15:58] <cuddykid> WillDuckworth: want to launch from mine instead of ledbury?
[15:58] <cuddykid> should have permish :)
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[15:59] <Upu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLxaee3hUu4&feature=player_embedded#!
[15:59] <Upu> who did that one then ?
[15:59] <cuddykid> oo
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[16:01] <daveake> lol
[16:02] <Upu> in the snow
[16:02] <Upu> thats hardcore
[16:03] <cuddykid> brilliant
[16:05] <fsphil> landed upright, nice
[16:05] <Upu> allegedly
[16:05] <cuddykid> haha yeah :P
[16:06] <cuddykid> can't help but think that someones done a little tinkering
[16:06] <fsphil> great video
[16:06] <cuddykid> but then again, never know
[16:06] <number10> there is life out there beyond UKHAS
[16:06] <Upu> still looks great
[16:06] <Upu> yup
[16:06] <Upu> 2 GPS trackers interesting
[16:06] <cuddykid> yep
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[16:06] <cuddykid> go pros are just incredible
[16:06] Action: Upu strokes his
[16:06] <Upu> *GoPro
[16:07] <cuddykid> lol
[16:07] <fsphil> thanks for clearing that u
[16:07] <fsphil> +p
[16:07] <number10> send it south Upu
[16:07] <Upu> its going up soon
[16:07] <Upu> Got extended battery pack on it too
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[16:08] <cuddykid> we got about 3.5hrs out of them at 1080p I think
[16:08] <cuddykid> with extended battery pack
[16:08] <fsphil> I've just not had the conditions to launch mine yet
[16:08] <fsphil> well conditions and notam overlapping
[16:09] <number10> thats difficult
[16:09] <number10> good weather forcast two days ahead... notam??
[16:09] <Laurenceb_> nice shot of burst
[16:09] <Laurenceb_> its quite stable due to all the drag from the tent
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[16:50] <Upu> ping daveake Co2 no good ?
[16:50] <daveake> BOC safety sheet says no
[16:51] <Upu> Odd thought I'd read that
[16:51] <Upu> on the plus side I don't think mine has any CO2 in it anyway
[16:51] <daveake> lol
[16:51] <daveake> I read elsewhere that powder is recommended
[16:51] <daveake> But the BOC sheet says powder, water and foam all recommended, CO2 not recommended
[16:52] <daveake> I love that they send these sheets out weeks after the first cylinder goes back
[16:52] <daveake> Really thouh, it's not the H2 fire that needs fighting, it's whatever's still burning afterwards
[16:53] <fsphil> sounds like boc being efficient as usual
[16:54] <Upu> yeah what is best for extingushing humans ?
[16:54] <daveake> :)
[16:54] <fsphil> I've seen people use sand, so if you're launching at the beech you're sorted
[16:55] <daveake> And if that doesn't work, perhaps there'd be some water nearby?
[16:55] <fsphil> nah too cold
[16:55] <fsphil> I'm not getting my feet wet
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[17:18] <daveake> Upu According to http://www.slideshare.net/acadiandivers/h2-safety which is from BOC, CO2 is just fine
[17:21] <daveake> And that disagrees with their safety sheet - http://www.boconline.co.uk/pdf_downloads/safety_data_sheets/clp_datasheets/industrial/tg_8360_hydrogen_v1_3.pdf
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[17:35] <Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-S4DZ_aWNuU#
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[17:37] <daveake> Well, at least he can be sure of it landing the right way up
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[17:53] <Laurenceb_> http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2012/0602/Amelia-Earhart-New-evidence-tells-of-her-last-days-on-a-Pacific-atoll-video
[17:53] <Laurenceb_> interesting
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[18:28] <Laurenceb_> anyone here use dopenoffice?
[18:44] <KT5TK_QRL> Yep
[18:45] <KT5TK_QRL> Need a conversion tofrom M$?
[18:50] <Laurenceb_> bad stuff is happening
[18:51] <Laurenceb_> i suspct its because the origonal was written by noobs
[18:51] <KT5TK_QRL> So what's the problem?
[18:54] <Laurenceb_> is there a way to force deletion of an entire page?
[18:57] <KT5TK_QRL> In OO Writer?
[18:58] <KT5TK_QRL> Or in Impress?
[18:59] <Laurenceb_> writer
[19:01] <eroomde> KT5TK_QRL: this is an odd channel to ask for OO support
[19:01] <eroomde> are you a regular in disguide? :)
[19:01] <eroomde> disguide*
[19:01] <KT5TK_QRL> There's not a regular way to delete a whole page in Writer. However if you delete the content, then the page should disappear.
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[19:02] <KT5TK_QRL> @eroomde OK, I'll leave it by that comment.
[19:03] <eroomde> oh no carry on!
[19:03] <Laurenceb_> yeah i have issues with tables
[19:03] <Laurenceb_> spreading across tons of pages
[19:03] <eroomde> i wasn't telling you off, i was just amused
[19:03] Action: Laurenceb_ is pissed not amused
[19:05] <eroomde> in a happy way?
[19:06] <KT5TK_QRL> @Laurenceb_ If you want to delete a whole table select a letter before the table, hold shift key and select a letter after the table. Then hit delete.
[19:06] <Laurenceb_> thanks
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[19:15] <costyn_> hello everyone
[19:16] <costyn_> woudl it degrade signal to have my groundplane and part of my 1/4 antenna inside EPS?
[19:16] <daveake> no
[19:17] <costyn_> ok cool
[19:17] <costyn_> brainstorming about my payload with friend now :)
[19:17] <costyn_> trying to figure out how to anchor antenna
[19:18] <MrScienceMan> ducktape
[19:19] <daveake> The answer to so many problems
[19:19] <MrScienceMan> its great for all soft of things besides silencing kidnapped people
[19:19] <MrScienceMan> sort*
[19:21] <costyn_> ducttape is not always the answer ;)
[19:21] <jonsowman> true, sometimes WD40 is the answer
[19:23] <daveake> :)
[19:24] <KT5TK_QRL> I mount antennas whenever possible with two (wood) bars on each side of the styrofoam box and tie them together with tie wraps. Epoxy glue is also helpful tomake sure nothing moves.
[19:32] <fsphil> "Who do I need to fuck to get standard font size and panel options" -- Linus really has a way with words
[19:33] <jonsowman> lol
[19:33] <fsphil> he's having as much luck with F17 as I am
[19:46] <Elwell> I haven't upgraded this laptop yet. its still 'working' on F16
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[20:00] <fsphil> I quite liked F16, gnome3 can be made nice through some tweaking
[20:00] <fsphil> there are less options in the newer one
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[20:13] <eroomde> surprised at how happy i am with unity now
[20:13] <fsphil> the last time I used it, it made me want to cry
[20:13] <eroomde> I tried ubuntu 11.10 and swore that it was the antichrist
[20:13] <eroomde> some massively confused and buggy and crashy nonsense made by kiddies with ADHD
[20:14] <eroomde> but come 12.04 i am actually really fine with it
[20:14] <eroomde> they seem to have completely sorted out my objections
[20:14] <fsphil> sounds like they're listening to users
[20:14] <fsphil> gnome people need more of that
[20:14] <jonsowman> it is quite polished in 12.04
[20:14] <eroomde> it's basically just a nice responsive quicklaunch now, where you can nav around gui aplications from the keyboard
[20:15] <jonsowman> though i still decided to move to gnome 3
[20:15] <eroomde> i stayed on xfce for the last 1.5 years
[20:15] <eroomde> as it was more like gnome 2
[20:15] <eroomde> did not like gone 3
[20:15] <eroomde> gnome*
[20:16] <fsphil> I didn't like that either, but I did quite like it on F16
[20:16] <eroomde> but 12.04 is sufficiently painless that i'm now happy to stay with vanilla ubuntu
[20:16] <eroomde> i spent too long naval gazing on customisation rather than getting anything useful done anyway in the past
[20:16] <eroomde> so i'm quite keen to just stick with default installs now
[20:17] <eroomde> there shall be no trying to find The One True vim colourscheme
[20:17] <fsphil> the last couple of gnome 2 releases where like that for me-- the default was great
[20:17] <jonsowman> i've tweaked gnome 3 a bit... looks more like gnome 2 now
[20:17] <Elwell> tbh all I do most of the time is ctrl-shift-T to bring up yet another terminal window...
[20:17] <eroomde> yes exactly
[20:17] <eroomde> i am either in term of chrome
[20:17] <eroomde> so i realised i dont have to care anymore
[20:17] <eroomde> or chrome*
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[20:27] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[20:27] <Lunar_Lander> might not have much time
[20:28] <Lunar_Lander> but got all my memory now for the flight
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[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> daveake, I got a Sony 8 GB SDHC Class 6 for my Canon
[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> is that a good choice?
[20:35] <daveake> I've no idea
[20:35] <daveake> Don't see why not
[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> primarily the size
[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> 8 GB should be OK for a whole flight
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[20:40] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hi
[20:40] <daveake> Just do the calculation on how many pix per minute, how many minutes, and average file size
[20:40] <daveake> But yes 8GB is normally enough
[20:40] <fsphil> or just leave it running, taking pictures out the window. see how long it lasts
[20:41] <daveake> What and waste £2-worth of Lithiums? :p
[20:41] <fsphil> that or waste all that precious He :)
[20:41] <daveake> ^^ axctually a very good idea. Then you find out it stops early because it's saving raw files too :D
[20:41] <fsphil> exactly
[20:41] <fsphil> I had the very same issue
[20:42] <daveake> +1
[20:42] <daveake> spotted before the flight, fortunately
[20:42] <eroomde> +1 soak tha bitch up
[20:42] <eroomde> so to speak
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> xD!
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> and I got a full 2 GB Class 2 SD by SanDisk for flight data
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> they had no smaller card at Saturn
[20:44] <fsphil> hah
[20:45] <Lunar_Lander> but I know that maybe 128 MB even would have been enough
[20:45] <fsphil> easily
[20:45] <daveake> I'd be surprised if you need more than 1MB or so
[20:45] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:45] <Lunar_Lander> and I still have that Samsung Class 10 16 GB for the 808
[20:45] <Lunar_Lander> which I have bought like in March
[20:45] <daveake> I keep old "given away with a camera" ones - around 32MB or so - for this purpose
[20:46] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:47] <SpeedEvil> I'm still routinely using a 32M card
[20:48] <SpeedEvil> - to do the very stupid print to SD -> carry over to printer dance.
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[20:50] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[20:51] Action: Laurenceb_ is using a 4GB card for datalogging
[20:51] <Laurenceb_> but im logging 8 sparkfun 9dof sensors at 400hz
[20:51] <Laurenceb_> to an ascii text file
[20:52] <Laurenceb_> so it only lasts a few hours
[20:54] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:54] <Lunar_Lander> that sounds like much data indeed
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[20:57] <griffonbot> @HighAltitudeLab: Got a SONY 8 GB Class 6 card for my stratosphere camera & SanDisk 2 GB Class 2 for Data recording on the balloon! #UKHAS #stratosphere [http://twitter.com/HighAltitudeLab/status/209750721661382656]
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> xD it works
[21:02] <Lunar_Lander> daveake, so I have to copy CHDK to that memory card?
[21:04] <daveake> yes
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> damn, forgot to buy a cardreader at Saturn
[21:06] <daveake> it won't get on there by magic
[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:06] <daveake> Connect to camera with usb
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[21:33] <eroomde> the terminator really is A Film
[21:33] <eroomde> it's just arting on bbc2
[21:33] <eroomde> you forget what opening credits are meant to look and sound like
[21:33] <Lunar_Lander> T1?
[21:33] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:33] <eroomde> then you hear that 80s synth
[21:33] <eroomde> and you remember
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[21:57] <fsphil> it's a great theme
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[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> but somehow I like the version from the T2 intro more
[22:00] <fsphil> T2 was a good movie, but too many plot holes
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> how exactly?
[22:03] <fsphil> in the first movie skynet didn't know where Sarah was, just her name
[22:04] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[22:04] <fsphil> they could have landed the second terminator in that warehouse just after the first one was destroyed
[22:05] <fsphil> the machine should have known she was there at that point
[22:05] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:05] <Lunar_Lander> in the novel we learn that the sending of T-800 and T-1000 was like a last desperate act of skynet
[22:06] <Lunar_Lander> but true, the events of T1 should have been know to skynet as it happened before in time
[22:06] <Lunar_Lander> so to speak
[22:06] <fsphil> or they could have just sent a terminator back, and have it build more terminators
[22:06] <Lunar_Lander> yea or several
[22:07] <Lunar_Lander> in fact spielberg wanted to have the T-1000 in T1 already
[22:07] <Lunar_Lander> like the T-800 and T-1000 together
[22:07] <fsphil> can't find sarah? wipe out the entire human race a few years earlier than planed
[22:07] <Lunar_Lander> but the effects were not possible with 1980's movie tech
[22:07] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:08] <Laurenceb_> spielberg didnt make terminator
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> Cameron
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> sorry
[22:09] <fsphil> that would have been a very different movie :)
[22:09] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[22:09] <Lunar_Lander> with a time travel car?
[22:09] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:10] Action: SpeedEvil imagines Ridley Scott's Terminator.
[22:11] <SpeedEvil> WTF.
[22:11] <SpeedEvil> Ridley Scott made Thelma and Louise?
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> we watched that in English class
[22:12] <fsphil> I've never watched that
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[22:13] <SpeedEvil> On 12 October 2008, Scott confirmed that after a 25 year wait for the rights to become available, he is making a return to science fiction with a film adaptation of the book The Forever War by Joe Haldeman.
[22:13] <SpeedEvil> Could either be awesome, or ...
[22:14] <fsphil> he's had a mixed record
[22:14] <fsphil> some of his movies are great, some not so
[22:14] <SpeedEvil> Yeah.
[22:14] <SpeedEvil> I was thinking of Blade Runner with the original comment.
[22:16] <Lunar_Lander> btw do you know Bill & Ted with the time travelling phone booth?
[22:18] <eroomde> daveake: !!!!!!!
[22:18] <eroomde> http://news.sky.com/home/strange-news/article/16240998
[22:18] <eroomde> show this to Julie
[22:19] <daveake> I've got a feeling that it's going to be something I saw earlier that I won't be showing her ... :D
[22:20] <daveake> I suppose the guy wanted to make sure it always landed the right way up :)
[22:21] <eroomde> the photo is just amazing
[22:21] <daveake> lol
[22:21] <daveake> I saw the news video earlier
[22:23] Action: SpeedEvil ponders a live cat version.
[22:27] <eroomde> the comments are hilarious
[22:27] <eroomde> a lot of people who are DISGUSTED
[22:27] <eroomde> someone wondering if his next project will be to turn his father into an RC Submarine
[22:27] <russss> hmm
[22:28] <russss> what if you made an RC submarine out of a shark
[22:28] <russss> that would be awesome.
[22:29] Action: daveake ponders making a homing payload as a shark, and having it land in the sea
[22:30] <SpeedEvil> I have wondered about a monster 'robotuna' type thing
[22:30] <SpeedEvil> Large enough for people carrying, with lots of LiPo
[22:31] <SpeedEvil> Done right - the range can be astounding.
[22:33] <Laurenceb_> DISGUSTED OF TUNBRIDGE WELLS
[22:33] <Laurenceb_> it is mildly scary.. i think its the eyes
[22:34] <Laurenceb_> a swarm of those would be quite intimidating
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[22:34] <russss> herd of robo-cats
[22:35] <Laurenceb_> "ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING .Only sick freaks of the world would call this horror ''art '."
[22:35] <Laurenceb_> not sure of troll...
[22:38] <SpeedEvil> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2154283/Cats-away-Artist-turns-dead-pet-flying-helicopter-killed-car.html
[22:38] <Laurenceb_> the helicoper killed a car?
[22:40] <SpeedEvil> '***The artist should be carefully watched. This is what serial killers do before they become lunatics.*** Rubbish! I bet you can't come up with a SINGLE example of a convicted serial killer who was known to turn pets into helicopters!!!!!!!!!
[22:40] <Upu> I lol'd
[22:40] <russss> lol
[22:40] <Laurenceb_> haha
[22:40] <Upu> Am i evils ?
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[22:42] <Upu> anyway on other news how hot was Kylie ?
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[22:48] <Lunar_Lander> hey Upu
[22:48] <Upu> evening Lunar_Lander
[22:48] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
[22:49] <Upu> very well thanks
[22:50] <Upu> just been watching the Jubilee Concert
[22:50] <Upu> what you been up too ?
[22:50] <Upu> other than tweeting
[22:51] <Lunar_Lander> xD I got those memory cards and nothing more really cause I'd been locked out of the physics building at 9 pm
[22:52] <Lunar_Lander> how was the concert?
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[22:54] <Lunar_Lander> also got a new headset
[22:54] <Lunar_Lander> does anyone have skype and would like to help me test the microphone?
[22:59] <KT5TK_QRL> call echo123
[22:59] <eroomde> skype has an automated call testing service
[23:01] <Upu> it wasn't bad Lunar_Lander
[23:01] <Upu> if Kylie in hotpants is your thing
[23:01] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[23:01] <Lunar_Lander> well yeah the test service of Skype is boring
[23:01] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[23:05] <KT5TK_QRL> Is there any echolink to Skype gateway out there?
[23:06] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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